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DivineVersatile
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"Fuck Athletes...."


  

          

Fuck Michael "Air" Jordan
Fuck Latrell "Rows" Sprewell
Fuck Alex "Baby" Rodriguez
Fuck Ken "Pussy of the Year" Griffey, Jr.
Fuck Evander "Superfreak" Holyfield

Dikembe Mutombo and Brian Grant are the only real mufuckas in the game....

Fuck Shaq, Fuck Kobe, Fuck Penny, fuck 'em fuck 'em fuck 'em....

The largest commercial successes in the Afrikan community are selfish, spoiled ass kids. Fuck 'em...turn 'em off. Don't post about 'em. Don't buy they shit....fuck 'em.

Imagine if one...JUST ONE...of the people I mentioned took those millions they amass and invested it. Said, fuck it...I'll live off of 2 million dollars...lemme take this money and give a stipend to black famers....supplement the income of black teachers in my neighborhood...build a supermarket that only purchases from black businesses...create a complete self determined community....the new BLACK WALL STREET...

The black dollar turns over in 15 minutes. 15 minutes...the shit is gone. Passed of to someone w/o our best interests in mind. If I had A FRACTION of the money these overpaid ballmonkeys nab...I would hook 43rd and King Drive up!! See...but I have my ego in check...relatively speaking. Balling is not a pasttime for me...its a waste of time.

So...
Fuck Tiger...
Fuck Venus...
Fuck Serena...
Fuck em
Fuck em
Fuck em...

I'm turning ya punk asses off....'cause I ain't proud of ya...ya make me wanna puke more than you amaze me.

The Infamous DVSJ

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The album "ORIGIN UNKNOWN" is completed and coming soon!!!!

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using that logic
May 11th 2001
1
addendum/caveat
May 11th 2001
2
true, true n/m
May 14th 2001
48
ToO mUcH lIkE rIgHt...
May 11th 2001
3
Stop judging
May 11th 2001
4
      Bullshit...
May 11th 2001
5
           And in addition...
May 11th 2001
9
           6 years ago in brooklyn
May 11th 2001
22
You really should check
May 11th 2001
6
None of ur concern
MrIdontgiveafuckalupugus
May 11th 2001
7
Yes it is my concern...
May 11th 2001
10
      RE: Yes it is my concern...
MrIdontgiveafuckalupugus
May 11th 2001
20
      That wasn't directed at you.
May 11th 2001
21
      RE: Yes it is my concern...
May 11th 2001
28
           See what you get?
May 11th 2001
31
Fine Line(s)
May 11th 2001
8
good point
May 14th 2001
51
fuck socialist rhetoric
May 11th 2001
11
but...
May 11th 2001
13
      TOUCHE Monsieur Pussycat!!
May 11th 2001
18
      RE: but...
May 11th 2001
19
      from each... to each...
May 11th 2001
23
           you're smarter than this
May 11th 2001
24
                No, you're smarter than that.
May 11th 2001
25
                     Laying it thick?
May 11th 2001
27
                     responding in kind
May 11th 2001
30
                          What's wrong with Left...
May 11th 2001
32
                               RE: What's wrong with Left...
May 11th 2001
34
                     bullshit
May 11th 2001
35
                          do you people even know
May 11th 2001
37
                               you asked for it, punk
May 11th 2001
38
                                    dumbass
May 11th 2001
39
                                         okay benji
May 11th 2001
40
                                              It's amazing
May 12th 2001
41
                                                   first of all...
May 12th 2001
42
                                                        cool, man
May 12th 2001
43
                                                             and believe me
May 12th 2001
44
damn
May 11th 2001
12
was thinking
May 11th 2001
14
Finally!!
May 11th 2001
16
9 mil out of 10 mil...
May 14th 2001
56
RE: Fuck Athletes....
tresmyman
May 11th 2001
15
I said "Fuck Atheletes"
May 11th 2001
17
      RE: I said "Fuck Atheletes"
tresmyman
May 14th 2001
49
      RE: I said "Fuck Atheletes"
necromancer1300
May 16th 2001
65
RE: Fuck Athletes....
May 11th 2001
26
Bullshit, bullshit....
May 11th 2001
29
      A lesson in economics is in order
May 11th 2001
33
           I'm not replying...
May 11th 2001
36
           One would tend to agree
May 14th 2001
50
                Agreed.
May 14th 2001
59
           mostly agree...
May 14th 2001
52
                RE: mostly agree...
May 14th 2001
58
                     felt n/m
May 15th 2001
62
Still no black bank.
May 14th 2001
45
What??
May 14th 2001
46
2 much like
May 14th 2001
47
      Yep!!!!!!
May 14th 2001
53
           Seaway came to mind.
May 14th 2001
54
United Bank
May 14th 2001
55
      RE: United Bank
May 14th 2001
57
           Damn shame
May 14th 2001
60
                RE: Damn shame
May 14th 2001
61
                     Citizen Trust
May 15th 2001
63
                          No Argument here....
May 15th 2001
64

BooDaah
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1. "using that logic"
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what about:

the oprah's, cosby's, eileen norton's, russell simmon's, berry gordy's, will smith's, et al in the entertainment industry?

the robert johnson's, john h. johnson's, eileen norton's, et al in the business world?

hell what about bonquisha who'd rather get her weave done than send money to help her kids get books at school, or what about 'ol rodney who'll spend $500 on playstation 2 games and such but freaks out when a homeless man askes him for some change?

get my point?

  

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2. "addendum/caveat"
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by the way, few of us REALLY know what these "easy targets" do with their money.

many do much good work, behind closed doors (or at least out of the spotlight -- y'all know the media would much rather show someone handcuffed and being led to jail than opening a community center anyway)

  

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48. "true, true n/m"
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QuestOn4
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3. "ToO mUcH lIkE rIgHt..."
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Nettrice
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4. "Stop judging"
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And do better research. A few of those names you listed are giving back (Tiger, Venus, Serena) and who knows what else people are doing.

The question for me is not what are they doing but what am I doing? I've been working full-time in community-based organizations and with youth for several years but I just recently realized that they were jobs. Personally, I was not giving back so I just signed up to be a Big Sister.

It's not about the money. Just because an athlete has lots of money does not mean they understand the value of service or giving back. Most people I know don't give back anything.

"Know thyself"

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you". So we may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
-- Hebrews 13:5,6

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix"

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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DivineVersatile
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5. "Bullshit..."
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As a whole..folks aren't doing shit.

To answer some of your questions...Bill Cosby is a major philanthropist....so is Oprah...but you all are missing my point.

Dikembe Mutumbo....Pedro Martinez...Brian Grant are reinvesting their capital IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS tying to EMPOWER THE PEOPLE THAT THEY GREW UP WITH!!

Giving money to Spelman (which Bill does) helps...giving money to Morehouse (which Oprah does) helps...but does it promote Self Determination?

My point is that what does it matter if you make 215 million dollars if you are giving the money directly back to the people in control for gifts/trinkets/favors.

Rampant materialism is running crazy in our society, in our sportsa arenas, in our boardrooms, on our silver screens. We don't own none of that shit.

What kills me is the amount of salt you are willing to toss at me without realizing that, hey...when's the last time you walked into an all black supermarket...in an all black neighborhood...with quality service and products. Our capital holders could & should do that...but don't.

The Infamous DVSJ

1/4 of THE GENESIS EXPERIMENT

The album "ORIGIN UNKNOWN" is completed and coming soon!!!!

*************************
MY VERY OWN HIPPIDY-HOP! I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU AND PLAY WITH YOU FOR EVER AND EVER!!!

Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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DivineVersatile
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9. "And in addition..."
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Think about what our supposed "Black Elite" due with this high disposable income...regardless of profession? They spend it on bullshit.

Someone has got to break the cycle...someone has got to say "FUCK IT...I'LL GIVE IT ALL UP TO LIVE LIKE I NEED TO". Where are the Muhammad Ali's of our generation? Atheletes willing to parlay that public spotlight into personal/collective power?

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF WATCHING BASKETBALL GAMES WITH PEOPLE ALL NODDING AND SMILING AND GIVING OFF POLITICALLY CORRECT ASS ANSWERS!! I COULDN'T/WOULDN'T DO THAT SHIT!! I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND HORDING IT! IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE...are you aware the changes that they could effect? And you call me to task for checking them for not doing that shit? BS. I dead hold 'em responsible...I'm sick of it. I'm good enough to wear your clothes on my goddamned back...be good enough to sacrifice yourself and take a charge for the team.

Goddamnit.

(P.S.--> Can you tell its been a rough day? )

The Infamous DVSJ

1/4 of THE GENESIS EXPERIMENT

The album "ORIGIN UNKNOWN" is completed and coming soon!!!!

*************************
MY VERY OWN HIPPIDY-HOP! I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU AND PLAY WITH YOU FOR EVER AND EVER!!!

Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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22. "6 years ago in brooklyn"
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hey...when's the last
>time you walked into an
>all black supermarket...in an all
>black neighborhood...with quality service and
>products.

Playing soca and reggae over the loudspeaker

hotep,
k. orr

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6. "You really should check"
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out NBA.com or a fan club based on the athletes you just mentioned. I know for a fact Juanita Jordan does nothing but philanthropy work .


They may not give the way you want them too, but they do.

Shit happens

  

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MrIdontgiveafuckalupugus

Fri May-11-01 05:13 AM

  
7. "None of ur concern"
In response to Reply # 0


          

What these athletes do with the money they make is really none of your concern. Sure we'd like to see them contribute money to the betterment of their fellow man but that a decision for them to make. Not yours, not mines, or anyone's. To be honest like someone said earlier who knows what they contribute money too. Maybe A-Rod donates to charities in Miami where he's from. Maybe Ken Griffey does the same in cincinnatti on the low. Bottom line u don't know so you can't say f'em because u don't know what they do. They might do more than u for all u know. They ain't gotta make all their financial transactions public.

  

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10. "Yes it is my concern..."
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It is my motherfucking concern...'cause people keep trying to pass the buck. I'm sorry...if you aren't willing to fight and die for the betterment of your people as a whole...that makes you a chump in my book.

I'm saying...not one...last athlete with enough heart to challenge the status quo was Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. MJ, while I love him dearly as an athlete...remained PC as a PR/Financial move.

Am I wrong to pine away for someone who's willing to put their damned money where their mouth is?

As for those that question WHAT I'M DOING...I spend all last night at a benefit trying to raise money for inner school kids school supplies/uniforms...and seeting up a poetry workshop.

What are YOU DOING? }> (Pardon the rambles...gotta alot on my mind)
The Infamous DVSJ

1/4 of THE GENESIS EXPERIMENT

The album "ORIGIN UNKNOWN" is completed and coming soon!!!!

*************************
MY VERY OWN HIPPIDY-HOP! I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU AND PLAY WITH YOU FOR EVER AND EVER!!!

Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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MrIdontgiveafuckalupugus

Fri May-11-01 06:42 AM

  
20. "RE: Yes it is my concern..."
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Your a fucking chump because you making assumptions on what I do, and what i'm willing to fight for when you don't know me. You don't know me from a can of paint. And if you was in front of me now you'd catch th back hand. I got much concern for my peeps, and if you read my post you would see that I said it would be nice to see these guys do more but thatz up to them. But you don't know what they do, many athletes contribute time and money to doing things for their community so check yourself, before you get checked.

  

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DivineVersatile
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21. "That wasn't directed at you."
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You never asked me to check what I'm doing myself...someone else did. It was a stream of conciousness...and I didn't feel like posting AGAIN to answer both of you.

Therefore...I see you CHUMP and raise you an ASSumption.

The Infamous DVSJ

1/4 of THE GENESIS EXPERIMENT

The album "ORIGIN UNKNOWN" is completed and coming soon!!!!

*************************
MY VERY OWN HIPPIDY-HOP! I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU AND PLAY WITH YOU FOR EVER AND EVER!!!

Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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RS
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28. "RE: Yes it is my concern..."
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>
>As for those that question WHAT
>I'M DOING...I spend all last
>night at a benefit trying
>to raise money for inner
>school kids school supplies/uniforms...and seeting
>up a poetry workshop.
>
>

Give free SAT preps, tutor incarcerated youths, volunteer at several community based organizations through out California, give money to those same and other organizations...

And no, it's not your concern...just because these peopl don't pu there charity on blast does not mean that are not contributing...I'd mention the crab mentality, but I see you know all about that...

Peace.

Rob


  

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DivineVersatile
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31. "See what you get?"
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Merely mention a facet of a plan that COULD bring about change like 'DAMN...I WISH VINCE CARTER WAS LIKE...FUCK IT...ME AND THE RAPTORS AIN'T DUNKING SHIT TIL SUCH AND SUCH AND SO AND SO IS FREED!!'

That's some wishful thinking...some visionary feelings there!! AM I WRONG TO LONG FOR ANOTHER MUHAMMAND ALI? I mean FUCK!!! There's nothing wrong with that.

You volunteer, great. I'm glad you do...most don't. However...that reply was because someone was like "WHAT ARE YOOOOOU DOING!!" to me...so I validated it!

Crab mentality? Yeah...I guess I am a crab. I want to pull all the athletes, all the actors that we SCRAMBLE TO SUPPORT...I wanna pull them mufuckas to my block and say "Damn...you see that Ice you rocking? You coulda helped him...you coulda changed this...Y'ALL COULDA FUCKING CHANGED THIS!!" Yeah...it ain't they fault shit's fucked up in the world...but somebody's gotta take the weight.

Lovingly yours...

Mr. Crab Ass

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Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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Soul Brotha
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8. "Fine Line(s)"
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greetings.

Who is to judge how another person spends his/her wealth? I can dig where you're coming from, because I was of the same mind. But, I realized a few things & evolved my thinking:

1. We are not a monolithic people. Each of us hold different attitudes, especially regarding wealth.

2. Money does not cure all societal ills. Whether some ball-player pours millions into my community or not, the onus is on the people of my community to make a change, do better.

3. As people know better, they do better. Many of today's monied athletes are young (under 25), so, beyond setting up a generic foundation that they pay someone to run for them, their minds may not be wrapped around the idea of tangible change.

4. Each person in his/her own time, not when someone else decides. Give them a chance to evolve.

Its all about perspective.
Just thoughts. peace.

  

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51. "good point"
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>3. As people know better, they
>do better. Many of
>today's monied athletes are young
>(under 25), so, beyond setting
>up a generic foundation that
>they pay someone to run
>for them, their minds may
>not be wrapped around the
>idea of tangible change.
>
>4. Each person in his/her own
>time, not when someone else
>decides. Give them a
>chance to evolve.
>
>Its all about perspective.
>Just thoughts. peace.

you're right...a lot of them might have their priorities in a different place just because they are so young. they may be taking care of family first, or just buying everything they thought they ever wanted (like most people will when they get a little loot, be it $50 or a million extra).

so the changes they make might have yet to be seen.




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11. "fuck socialist rhetoric"
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Yeah, I said it.

RED

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enough in itself as a system of
thought, but not much
good for explaining anything."
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13. "but..."
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that wasn't socialist rhetoric.

you may not like what he said, or how he phrased it.

but it was purely capitalistic.

economic black nationalism.

and purely capitalistic.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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18. "TOUCHE Monsieur Pussycat!!"
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The Infamous DVSJ

1/4 of THE GENESIS EXPERIMENT

The album "ORIGIN UNKNOWN" is completed and coming soon!!!!

*************************
MY VERY OWN HIPPIDY-HOP! I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU AND PLAY WITH YOU FOR EVER AND EVER!!!

Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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19. "RE: but..."
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dont know if its purely capitalistic...

id say its got a socialist element, but using cooperative principles to create change for a whole group within the rules of capitalism

regardless, its a means of enabing non-violent social change
using mass economic power to get over

kind of like the way people function as a group to make a boycott successful. although this isnt about withholding capital from a specific group but rather infusing it into the community

anyway, i know im babbling
get in over my head when i try to discuss this ish

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23. "from each... to each..."
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Karl would have been proud.

RED

"Sounds like Zen," I said. "Interesting
enough in itself as a system of
thought, but not much
good for explaining anything."
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24. "you're smarter than this"
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re-read his post. he's talking about investing in black-owned business within black communities. "a supermarket that buys only from black suppliers" is what i believe he pointed out. how's this socialism to ANY degree!? it's beautifully capitalistic economic black nationalism. you're not dumb, don't act it.

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Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
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25. "No, you're smarter than that."
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I get all that black community crap. But you tell me how suggsting rich black people sponsor black farmers isn't socialist rhetoric.

"From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need." Or however it goes.

I'm just drawing the parallel, and making the point that in this capitalist society, you can't expect -- or even ask, for that matter -- people who feel they have earned their money to do anything that can be construed as "giving back." It would be nice if they did, but it's foolish to look for it.

You want a black capitalist society, don't expect to get there through socialist means.

Think deeper, people. The problems need more than this kind of reactionary b.s.

RED

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27. "Laying it thick?"
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The ONLY reason I brought the black farmer aspect into it is because America genetically engineers every fucking thing they can lay their hands on in the efforts of maximizing consumption.

Genetically engineered tomatoes that are spliced with insectisides to kill pests AND another plant to increase the growth factor. Lets not even talk about the chemicals pumped into beef...

Your entire approach to my comment is very left-brained, short sighted and...lets face it...European as fuck. Self-empowerment does not mean that you have to share all of the wealth with the masses. My arguement runs more along the lines of "WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY!!"

No, I don't expect Vince Carter to do shit for me OR my community. However, wouldn't it be fucking great if a group of high-profile powermongers just said 'FUCK IT...LET'S GO FOR BROKE' and risked their status for a higher ideal?

Never happen in America...fuck, we're still fascinated by Survivor.

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30. "responding in kind"
In response to Reply # 27


          

Wasn't anything "thick" about it. I sure wasn't laying it on as think as your whole "fuck athletes" tirade. All I did was point out the inherent contradiction.

>The ONLY reason I brought the
>black farmer aspect into it
>is because America genetically engineers
>every fucking thing they can
>lay their hands on in
>the efforts of maximizing consumption.

Who's laying it on thick now?

And you're telling me that all black farmers only grow organic?

My point was, cut the rhetoric. But I guess that's what people want to hear here.


>Genetically engineered tomatoes that are spliced
>with insectisides to kill pests
>AND another plant to increase
>the growth factor. Lets not
>even talk about the chemicals
>pumped into beef...
>
>Your entire approach to my comment
>is very left-brained, short sighted
>and...lets face it...European as fuck.

First, what's wrong with left-brained? I don't get that. I think I'm using my whole brain, while your post was nothing but reactionary and inflammatory garbage.

Short-sighted? Are you supposed to get credit because you think you're making some relevant suggestions about the long-term financial health the black community? It doesn't matter how far into the future you're looking if your vision is blurred.

How was I thinking European? Don't get that one either. Especially since you are the one trying to mask socialism in the cloak of good-old American-style capitalism -- the same shit that got Europe mired in its current EU quandry.

>My arguement runs more
>along the lines of "WITH
>GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY!!"

So if that's your argument, make it. Cut the rhetoric. Even still, my question to you is, in this capitalistic society that you seem to embrace (judging by your above replies), what exactly is the responsibility of the person who has been indoctrinated to do whatever it takes (normally by legal means, but not always) in regards to his or her segment of the population? What responsibility do they have "risk their status for a higher ideal" (which is socialist rhetoric if ever I've heard it)?

>
>Never happen in America...fuck, we're still
>fascinated by Survivor.

Dude, you say this, yet you act like I'm wrong for opposing your original post. I pretty much said the same thing -- it'll never happen in America.

Don't get me wrong. I ain't mad at ya. And like I said (briefly), I think it would be nice if all those things you said would happen. But I'm not a big fan of rhetoric. Sounds like Zen.

RED

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32. "What's wrong with Left..."
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I won't even go there.

My post...WAS...RHETORIC! Something to spark conversation...easily refuttable because it will never happen.

Should it happen? Yeah, I believe it should. But then again...I also believe that the priviledged have a debt to society. Most dont'...so to them...I seem like a visionist, socialist or whatever label your left-brained mannerisms wish to attribute to it.

Truth is...I'm just a man tired of seeing the same old shyt. A man willing to change everything and willing to die to change it as needed. That means that if I was the athlete...then I'd have risked it all by now. And I probably would have lost it all, too. But I would sleep so soundly at the end of the night.

One...

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34. "RE: What's wrong with Left..."
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>I won't even go there.

I wish you would, because I don't get the term in the way you're using it. I mean, I know what the left half of my brain is, and I understand what is generally meant when referring to the political left. But I don't see how my response to your post falls into either of those descriptive catagories. But maybe that's the subject for a different thread.

>My post...WAS...RHETORIC! Something to spark conversation...easily
>refuttable because it will never
>happen.
>
>Should it happen? Yeah, I believe
>it should. But then again...I
>also believe that the priviledged
>have a debt to society.
>Most dont'...so to them...I seem
>like a visionist, socialist or
>whatever label your left-brained mannerisms
>wish to attribute to it.

All this just proves you didn't really take the time to read my posts intelligently. That's fine, you said you got a lot of shit on your mind.

>Truth is...I'm just a man tired
>of seeing the same old
>shyt.

Me too. And that's the only reason I even bothered to respond to this. Believe it or not, I'm on your side. And I'm tired of the same old shit too. But here, and lots of other places, this type of rhetoric, however heartfelt, IS the same old shit, provoking the same old predictable responses on both sides of the issue.

I was just trying to give a slightly different perspective, get people to think about the issues differently.

Shame on me. Carry on.

RED

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35. "bullshit"
In response to Reply # 25


          

how is asking them to invest in black farmers socialistic? i guess you're NOT that smart. that kind of investment is NEVER socialistic, homeboy. why? because it operates on a profit motive. how is ASKING a wealthy person to put money into something socialistic!? my god man, when i go to a bank for a business loan, aren't i essentially doing the same thing? "loan me 30,000 to start this business, and then when i'm making a profit i can repay you plus interest, and you'll have made money by investment in my company."

really now, you're reaching, and your'e not coming up with anything.

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bfnh - dres
guinness - ju-ju
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ILLWILL - Chi Ali! hahaha!!!
SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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37. "do you people even know"
In response to Reply # 35


          

what socialism is?

>how is asking them to invest
>in black farmers socialistic?

If you ask a bank for a loan, that's part of the capitalistic system.

If you think a person, simply based on the fact that he has a lot of money, has an obligation to set aside a portion of their money to help out those less fortunate, that's socialistic.

I shouldn't have to point this out.

You can talk community building (which is at the heart of socialist and communist doctrine) all you want, but what is at the basis of all this is the belief that these successful people should be spreading the wealth. Irrespective of potential profit (because subsidizing farmers surely isn't a great money-making venture). I'm just point out the relation between the concept of community as presented in the original post and the tenets of socialism.

Before you start questioning someone's intellect, sit back and give the topic some thought.

RED

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38. "you asked for it, punk"
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>If you think a person, simply
>based on the fact that
>he has a lot of
>money, has an obligation to
>set aside a portion of
>their money to help out
>those less fortunate, that's socialistic.

>has an obligation to
>set aside

>has an obligation

>obligation

re-read his post. right now, i'll wait.

finished? or does ya slow ass need more time?

still waiting.

okay, that's enough, you done? now that you've re-read it, carefully, i want you to quote to me exactly where his original post uses the word "obligate" or any form thereof.

waiting.

still waiting.

need more time?

you give up, don't you?

because it's not there.

he can complain about how they use their money. that's not socialistic. keep reaching, pal, and you're gonna keep coming up empty.

don't fuck with grown folks' business, son.

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Vivrant - q-tip
bfnh - dres
guinness - ju-ju
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SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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39. "dumbass"
In response to Reply # 38


          

Why niggas gotta be so quick to try to their manhood, when they don't have any?

Re read my posts, any of them. Show me where I say he was pushing socialism. I'll pretend like I'm waiting too.

Now, I'll pretend like I'm talking real slow for the idiots who want to pretend to be intellectuals on the internet.

I was drawing a comparison. Do I we need to get remedial, or can you understand what an analogy is?

If you simply don't like the word "obligate," fine, I'll stay away from the big words. Did you read any of the rest of my posts?

So do you feel like a big man becuase somebody is pissed about the way the world is and decides to vent, under the belief that he's tired of seeing the same old shit -- but he's just contributing to the same old shit here by spouting silly rhetoric that only draws canned, predictable responses on both sides of the issue?

I simply pointed that out how lame his rhetoric was, along with showing the similarities between that sort of inflammatory rhetoric and some of the basic tenets of socialism, and now you want to puff your chest out.

Why? Am I crashing your little "activist" party? Y'all want to sit around and play "who's the most down for the community?" I don't care what you or the rest of these people are doing out side this internet environment -- here, you're full of shit.

Why can't you guys just present a decent argument? Other dude gotta question my intelligence. You gotta call me a kid or whatever the fuck. If you don't agree with me, say that, I'll accept that. But how small is your dick that you gotta call someone a punk and attempt to shout them down just because you are too simple minded to understand his point?

>>If you think a person, simply
>>based on the fact that
>>he has a lot of
>>money, has an obligation to
>>set aside a portion of
>>their money to help out
>>those less fortunate, that's socialistic.

Now, you re-read that right there, and tell me where it says that I was quoting him. Or even attributing it to him.

I'm waiting...

Moron.

>he can complain about how they
>use their money.

Of course he can. And I can point it out in ways that you apparently can't comprehend.

that's
>not socialistic.

Never said it was. Show me where I said complaining about how they use their money is socialistic... Should I pretend to be waiting again?

>keep reaching,
>pal, and you're gonna keep
>coming up empty.

Keep validating hollow rhetoric and you'll come up empty too. I guess I'm coming up empty here by trying to get internet psuedo-tough guys to think about things differently.

>don't fuck with grown folks' business, son.

Yeah, like subsidizing farmers.

How the fuck old are you anyway? 18? 22? 25? Grow up and learn how to think.

RED

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40. "okay benji"
In response to Reply # 39


          

that was the most intelligent and thought-out post i've ever read on these boards.

give it up clown. i caught your ass on shaky ground and you're failing to lie your way out of it.

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Vivrant - q-tip
bfnh - dres
guinness - ju-ju
Mosaic - common
ILLWILL - Chi Ali! hahaha!!!
SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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41. "It's amazing"
In response to Reply # 40


          

how mufuckas can have a disagreement or misunderstanding and respond with personal attacks and accusations.

If you're the mature man you claim to be, go back to post 25 (way early on in this mess) and tell me that my story hasn't stayed the same from the beginning, that I'm now trying to lie to cover something up.

As you say in post 13, I can dislike how the original post was phrased. I know he's talking capitalism, I know that.

But when you calm down and start thinking clearly, you'll see that a comparison can be drawn between:

the basic concept of economic empowerment through reinvestment in the community by those who have become financially successful

and

a socialist concept of those who are able to make more money having a responsibility to then share that money with those who have less.

The only substantial difference is a profit motive.

And you're telling me you don't see ANY similarities whatsoever.

Fine. You don't have to agree with me, you don't have to understand me. You don't have to feel threatened either.

But if you actually want to do some community building, you're gonna have to be a little more mature.

RED

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42. "first of all..."
In response to Reply # 41


          

you were the first to pull the _ad hominem_ bullshit. so don't blame that on me, i merely responded in kind.

now, regarding the issue at hand, there's really no reason to get in a stupid battle over an issue of technicality. essentially, what you said originally, and how you're explaining it now, implies to me nothing more than pointing out the fact that there are inherent similarities between socialism and capitalism. and sure there are, they're both economic models, after all. but really now, your first post on the issue said "fuck socialist rhetoric." tell me how THAT is the same as

>But when you calm down and start thinking clearly, you'll see >that a comparison can be drawn between:

>the basic concept of economic empowerment through reinvestment >in the community by those who have become financially successful

>and

>a socialist concept of those who are able to make more money >having a responsibility to then share that money with those who >have less.

you started out being self-righteous (or else trying to be cute, which didn't work) and you twisted that into a rational argument AFTER i pulled your card. i'm not saying your rational argument doesn't hold water, it certainly does. though essentially your rational argument is so case-neutral and benign as to make it pointless in the context of this thread.

that's like me making a post saying "fuck vegetarians" and then when somebody pulls my card, i say "look, all i'm saying is that human beings are physically capable of digesting meat."

bullshit. that's not all i'd be saying at all. understand?

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V I V R A N C E 2001:
TinkyWinky - Posdnuos
Vivrant - q-tip
bfnh - dres
guinness - ju-ju
Mosaic - common
ILLWILL - Chi Ali! hahaha!!!
SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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43. "cool, man"
In response to Reply # 42


          

>now, your first post on
>the issue said "fuck socialist
>rhetoric." tell me how
>THAT is the same as

It was in response to "fuck athletes," which, as a statement says nothing about community investment or self-determination, etc.

>though essentially your rational argument
>is so case-neutral and benign
>as to make it pointless
>in the context of this
>thread.

In some twisted way that seems to have missed it's mark, that was kinda what I thought about the first point.

Oh well. At least my momma thinks I'm cute.

But you're right. No reason to argue about this.

RED

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44. "and believe me"
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i hate that empty socialist rhetoric as much as anybody.

commie pingko bastards.



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V I V R A N C E 2001:
TinkyWinky - Posdnuos
Vivrant - q-tip
bfnh - dres
guinness - ju-ju
Mosaic - common
ILLWILL - Chi Ali! hahaha!!!
SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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12. "damn"
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14. "was thinking"
In response to Reply # 0


          

this for a long time
and actually was thinking about it this morning
interesting that you posted it

i wouldn't say fuck 'em about any of these people, because certainly they are free to use their money as they see fit

however, that being said, if you look at how much money (read, power) is in the hands of athletes and entertainers - there is the power to affect real, sweeping, radical change - right now and for the future

not talking about donating 50,000 of your 10 mil contract
more like if everyone put 9 mil of their 10 mil (or 70 of the 80 mil you got for your last movie) into education assistance, small business loans, etc etc


obviously its a far-fetched idea in this society
but the potential is there for real self-determination and empowerment if some spirit of cooperative economics would take hold

the revolution is sitting in the bank accounts, in the driveways, and on the wrists of those who have the power to collectively affect broad change

eh, i'm an idealist, what can i say?

p.s. its sad how dikembe started his hospital project thinking he'd get an outpouring of support from fellow nba players but has gotten, basically, a trickle

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16. "Finally!!"
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You feel me, don't you. My post was like "fuck em", but I love 'em, you know? But someday, somebody has got to go for broke. Until someone really just lays their nuts on the line and makes an example of themselves like "THIS IS SELF-DETERMINATION"...then we are destined to revisit the sins of the father.

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56. "9 mil out of 10 mil..."
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how in the hell woule they pay the taxes, the agent, the lawyers, the accountant, the car notes, the mortgages, union dues, daycare and buy food , if the subscribe to your plan. Shit taxes are like %50 alone ( that's including state and local and some of the cities that charge them when they play in their town)..Agents charge 15 - 25% , so now we are down to 75% .



Give a man a fish , he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish he'll eat for a lifetime. African proverb


We can develope our own supermarkets and banks on our own !!!

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15. "RE: Fuck Athletes...."
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Why do you pick on just the athletes? What about the actors (Denzel, Samuel L, Will Smith, Ving Rhames, Whoopi, Angela Bassett, Halle etc.)? What about the entertainers (Steve Harvey, Janet Jackson, Jay-Z, Dr. Dre, Michael Jackson, Jermaine Dupri, etc.)?
The only problem I have with you assumption is that you assume only Dikembe and Brian Grant have done things to help our people. While there are plenty of selfish rich blacks, not just athletes, we shouldn't be saying "fuck 'em all". Just because you don't know or don't hear about them giving up money fro various charities or for various communities doesn't mean they don't. How many other NBA players have helped Dikembe's mission to build that hospital in his homeland? How much did they contribute? Not hearing about celebrity causes doesn't make them inconsiderate people. For example, for years people thought Bryant Gumbel was a "uncle Tom" who didn't give a shit about poor or middle class black people. Only when someone finally went public with the information that he has raised millions of dollars for the United Negro College Fund did that change. Now all of a sudden black people don't consider him to be what he never was in the first place.
Having said all that, there is no arguing that the well paid individuals in all various fields of life could do a better job of helping the communities that help them get paid. There is no reason any public school system should be using raggedy ass textbooks and old, out-dated computers (if any). There is no way some the parks and ball courts, where kids should be able to play, should be so run down and trashed. Athletes and entertainers shoould at least, if nothing else, be able to contribute to improving our schools. What could be more important than the education of your people and our people's future.
Just don't lay ALL the blame on the athletes...

  

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17. "I said "Fuck Atheletes""
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'Cause I'm spending most of my time nowadays praying A.I. gets a ring...'cause I really feel like he deserves it more than any other man in the game.

You can feel free to interchange actors, doctors, lawyers, CEO's or whatever in those spaces.

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tresmyman

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49. "RE: I said "Fuck Atheletes""
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Don't get me wrong, I got love for A-I. But, what has he contributed for you to be praying he get a ring more than anyone else? How you going to say "fuck athletes" then say your praying for one to get a ring? What does his getting a ring mean to him making contributions in our communitites? You've made a lot of valid points in your arguments and replies to other messages but your response to mine is lame...

  

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65. "RE: I said "Fuck Atheletes""
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AGREED FUCK 'EM
WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY PLAY GAMES, YES PEOPLE I SAID GAMES, NOTHING LIFE OR DEATH HERE, NO FUTURE IMPACT ON MUCH OF ANYTHING EXCEPT SPORTS TRIVIA, YA QUIT TREATING EM LIKE THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE THEN YA MIGHT GET SOMEWHERE.
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26. "RE: Fuck Athletes...."
In response to Reply # 0


          


#1. Just because people don't subsidize a poor community doesn't mean they don't give back.

#2. Study economics, it's not really possible for any Business to just do Business with one type of people. Whites can sort of do it, but that's because they're the biggest chunk of the population. It's not really possible for Blacks, we need to bring in economic strength from outside the community by selling goods & services and working with White Businesses.

#3. A Rich Athlete giving 80% of his 200 million dollar contract in the form of loans and subsidies isn't neccessarily going to do anything but teach people to live off of susidies. What needs to happens it that people have to get a point where they don't need help. E.g. Black Farmers don't need to be subsidized, Small Business Owners can fend for themselves, etc.

Furthermore, folks are still going to be salty.....because that athlete is going to have to evaluate each application and make sure he can get his money back....AND he doesn't have money like a Bank......so he can only give so many loans.

A Rich Athlete subsidizing folks, does not teach self reliance, It teaches "look for a handout". Human Nature, if you start giving out dough and not making people work for it or teaching them how to make it themselves......you'll get taken advantage of and in the end....you're the one in trouble.

Just Ask Hammer.....who tried to subsidize his community....giving money away....giving people jobs just because, etc......he gave too much and went bankrupt.


#4. Why should rich Blacks take it upon themselves to personally finance the economic elevation of others? They can lend *some* support & *some* economic help...but you're asking them to just finance it all together. Life doesn't work that way, people may help you, but you gotta do it yourself.

Furthermore, it's their money......why can't they enjoy it....particularly when giving back on the level you want.....would

Rich Blacks should be teaching poor Blacks how to do it themselves, not writing them a check.

#5. Let's be real, if you're going to invest in a poor community (without gentrifying it and forcing some folks out) you could loss your money....it's hard to get a return on your investment in an economically depressed area.

Check out the latest issue of Inc. Magazine, it spotlights the top 100 inner city Businesses. Now these Businesses help out the community.....some what.....but they're not really vehicles for economic empowerment. Most the people who work at these companies and live in the area, make about 24k/year, and the companies just maintain status quo.......they don't really help people elevate.

If you have a real estate company that buys up and rents out inner city homes, that doesn't really help people. Yeah, they have a nicer place to live.....but YOU get rich....not those people. They still don't own their home and it's not helping them to become economically empowered.

This issue is much larger then a Black supermarket or giving people working class jobs, it just makes things more bearable....but doesn't change the lack of economic strength.


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29. "Bullshit, bullshit...."
In response to Reply # 26


  

          


>#1. Just because people don't subsidize
>a poor community doesn't mean
>they don't give back.

No...it doesn't. However...if you have an entire faction of a community that is still sufferring the psychological trauma of slavery...and you don't attack the root of that problem...then you're building on a fucked up foundation. The Black community needs to be taught self-reliance. The Asian community knows it. The Arabic community knows it. Nigerians, Ethiopians...all other immigrants that come to America know it...except the African American.

>#2. Study economics, it's not really
>possible for any Business to
>just do Business with one
>type of people. Whites can
>sort of do it, but
>that's because they're the biggest
>chunk of the population. It's
>not really possible for Blacks,
>we need to bring in
>economic strength from outside the
>community by selling goods &
>services and working with White
>Businesses.

Working with white businesses is like returning the guns to the master, point blank. The Black community has no idea the consumption powers that they have. Fuck bringing in outside help...I'm tired of begging for shit we should have in the first place. Someone has to engender that creative spark within our community by rebuilding the foundation. Self sufficiency. You speak very virtously...you must not live within blocks of rampant crack and prostitution. I do.

>#3. A Rich Athlete giving 80%
>of his 200 million dollar
>contract in the form of
>loans and subsidies isn't neccessarily
>going to do anything but
>teach people to live off
>of susidies. What needs to
>happens it that people have
>to get a point where
>they don't need help. E.g.
>Black Farmers don't need to
>be subsidized, Small Business Owners
>can fend for themselves, etc.
>
>
>Furthermore, folks are still going to
>be salty.....because that athlete is
>going to have to evaluate
>each application and make sure
>he can get his money
>back....AND he doesn't have money
>like a Bank......so he can
>only give so many loans.

What makes you think that all that will be given is susbidies. I didn't say that you just give away your money. That's stupidity. You CULTIVATE your capital to build a stronger foundation. Say you build a supermarket in your neighborhood, employing people within the neighborhood...and using the profits to establish other neighborhood programs. This is for the betterment of where you live, right? THIS ALL STARTS WITH CAPITAL!! Who's gonna give you that shit....the government? BWAHAHAHAHAAHA....never happen.
>
>
>A Rich Athlete subsidizing folks, does
>not teach self reliance, It
>teaches "look for a handout".
>Human Nature, if you start
>giving out dough and not
>making people work for it
>or teaching them how to
>make it themselves......you'll get taken
>advantage of and in the
>end....you're the one in trouble.
>
>
>Just Ask Hammer.....who tried to subsidize
>his community....giving money away....giving people
>jobs just because, etc......he gave
>too much and went bankrupt.

But I respect Hammer. Hammer would not have gone bankrupt if other mufuckas stepped up and put their money where their mouth is. AND...Hammer is a very bad example. Hammer bought into the extravagant lifestyle as well...he created a spectacle that was just a money gobbling machine. True, he employed his boys...but what lasting social impact did he leave? When did he ever take a stance on anything?
>
>
>
>#4. Why should rich Blacks take
>it upon themselves to personally
>finance the economic elevation of
>others? They can lend *some*
>support & *some* economic help...but
>you're asking them to just
>finance it all together. Life
>doesn't work that way, people
>may help you, but you
>gotta do it yourself.

SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TAKE THE WEIGHT. That same mentality that you are spitting is the reason why shit doesn't change? WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DO SUCH AND SUCH...I WORKED HARD FOR THIS SHIT...THIS IS MY SHIT...I DON'T OWE NOBODY SHIT!!! Bullshit...you owe us everything. You us for every stitch of clothing with your name we purchase...for ever single you dropped...you owe us. America teaches its citizens that their only responsibility is their own accountablility. I know mad grassroots people who soldier on the level that they can afford trying to bring about a new way of living...imagine how much easier it would be if a highly visible public figure assisted. I can tell you it won't be JESSE JACKSON...he's too busy fighting bullshit causes.

>
>Furthermore, it's their money......why can't they
>enjoy it....particularly when giving back
>on the level you want.....would
>
>
>Rich Blacks should be teaching poor
>Blacks how to do it
>themselves, not writing them a
>check.


How do you teach a poor Black man to fend for himself if you don't set the example? Teach him how to dunk if you're an athlete? Act if you're an actor? Those are god-given talents...GOD-GIVEN!!! If you are not returning the fruits to God (The Most High is represented in his people)...then you're wasting that shit.

>#5. Let's be real, if you're
>going to invest in a
>poor community (without gentrifying it
>and forcing some folks out)
>you could loss your money....it's
>hard to get a return
>on your investment in an
>economically depressed area.

Yes you do. You stand to lose everything. Every fucking thing you ever owned. It could blow up in your face...you could get jacked for your money by disreputable people...yes you could.

But if you don't take the chance...what have you done? I mean...what have you done other than secure YOURSELF over the security of the WHOLE? That's America at its best, huh? That's what we want kids to grow up to think? Not mine, yo. Not mine.

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33. "A lesson in economics is in order"
In response to Reply # 29


          


>No...it doesn't. However...if you have an
>entire faction of a community
>that is still sufferring the
>psychological trauma of slavery...and you
>don't attack the root of
>that problem...then you're building on
>a fucked up foundation. The
>Black community needs to be
>taught self-reliance. The Asian community
>knows it. The Arabic community
>knows it. Nigerians, Ethiopians...all other
>immigrants that come to America
>know it...except the African American.

Follow your own damn example then, EACH One of those groups comes here and makes a serious effort to make it ON THEIR OWN! They focus on education, they learn how to make money, they build Businesses, they go into fields that pay well.

I'm the son of West Indian Immigrants and I know how they got isht done. It wasn't because of people giving back, it's because they set a goal and reached it. Self Reliance means that you DON'T need a celebrity to help you to succeed.

I have friends and business associates from each one of those groups you mentioned, those people succeeded with the help of their families and no one else. They try to help one another, but they help those who are already in a position to help themselves. E.g. You come to interview at company I work for, I see you waiting for an interview.....take you aside and tell you what to say. When you hired, I mentor you and help guide you along the path to success.

That's how it works, that's what fellow West Indians try to do for me and that's what I see other people from those groups doing.

Self Reliance means the process starts with you, community help means that the community helps those who are already in the process of helping themselves.





>>#2. Study economics, it's not really
>>possible for any Business to
>>just do Business with one
>>type of people. Whites can
>>sort of do it, but
>>that's because they're the biggest
>>chunk of the population. It's
>>not really possible for Blacks,
>>we need to bring in
>>economic strength from outside the
>>community by selling goods &
>>services and working with White
>>Businesses.
>
>Working with white businesses is like
>returning the guns to the
>master, point blank. The Black
>community has no idea the
>consumption powers that they have.
>Fuck bringing in outside help...I'm
>tired of begging for shit
>we should have in the
>first place. Someone has to
>engender that creative spark within
>our community by rebuilding the
>foundation. Self sufficiency. You speak
>very virtously...you must not live
>within blocks of rampant crack
>and prostitution. I do.

It's not begging you dolt, I speak virtuously because I know how to Make Money and I know how to make Businesses work. IT's My damn job! Poor Black Communities have no economic strength, it does no good to build a Business in a neighboorhood that can't support it. SOOOO, to truly build wealth and to bring money into the Black Community....we need to build our Businesses outside the community as well as inside.

The ethnic groups you mentioned know that, so they'll work with anyone who can make them money......that they can bring into their families/communities.

The money has to come from somewhere, the community can be healtheir economically if we bring it from elsewhere. A Business that only sells to Blacks won't make as much money as a Business that sells to everyone.

Please come back when you have the foggiest idea of what it takes to run a successful Business.



>What makes you think that all
>that will be given is
>susbidies. I didn't say that
>you just give away your
>money. That's stupidity. You CULTIVATE
>your capital to build a
>stronger foundation. Say you build
>a supermarket in your neighborhood,
>employing people within the neighborhood...and
>using the profits to establish
>other neighborhood programs. This is
>for the betterment of where
>you live, right? THIS ALL
>STARTS WITH CAPITAL!! Who's gonna
>give you that shit....the government?
>BWAHAHAHAHAAHA....never happen.

Did you hear a word I said? Obviously not. This issue is so much larger then Supermarkets, (particularly since they have profit margins of around 3-5% and starting a Business to fund other ventures....is a bad idea in the short to medium term). Shaq starting a supermarket won't change much, particularly since Supermarkets don't change much and ONE supermarket isn't going to change the economic make up of a neighboorhood.

People have to get educated and get high paying jobs
People need to learn to invest
People need to learn to buy homes, and manage their money.

Making $12.50 at a supermarket just makes things easier, but it's not the road to economic empowerment.

TO turn around Poor Communities you either:

Get rid of the poor people
Teach the poor people to build their economic strength, so that they are no longer poor.

Thinking that an athlete building a supermarket can solve this, is simplistic and Naieve.


>But I respect Hammer. Hammer would
>not have gone bankrupt if
>other mufuckas stepped up and
>put their money where their
>mouth is. AND...Hammer is a
>very bad example. Hammer bought
>into the extravagant lifestyle as
>well...he created a spectacle that
>was just a money gobbling
>machine. True, he employed his
>boys...but what lasting social impact
>did he leave? When did
>he ever take a stance
>on anything?

So wait, how is MJ starting an all Black Supermarket any different? Yes, it could be self sustaining....but damn.....it's not teaching people to elevate themselves.

Just as the poor Black communities that DO have Black Supermarkets!

>SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TAKE THE
>WEIGHT. That same mentality that
>you are spitting is the
>reason why shit doesn't change?
>WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO
>DO SUCH AND SUCH...I WORKED
>HARD FOR THIS SHIT...THIS IS
>MY SHIT...I DON'T OWE NOBODY
>SHIT!!! Bullshit...you owe us everything.
>You us for every stitch
>of clothing with your name
>we purchase...for ever single you
>dropped...you owe us.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't owe you shit...if I owe anyone, I owe the people who died to get me the rights I have now. The Same rights you enjoy, what I do with those rights is my Business. I earned everything I have and you had NOTHING to do with it. In Honor of those before me, I should do something for the less fortunate as well. But it's something I should do......it's not a debt.

Unless you helped me Build what I have, unless your support made it possible.......I don't owe you got a damn thing. This is what irks me, successful Blacks who rise out of the Ghetto or ones that were Born middle class like myself......build their lives with the help of their families (and a few others) and with their own hardwork and sweat. Then folks in the "community" who didn't contribute a damn thing, want to take credit for and start talking about what they're owed.

Shit, if anyone owes anything it's you. People died so that Blacks could have the opportunity to succeed, if you're not taking those opportunities or creating them....then you're the one who owes somebody.

Everyone is born with a different lot in life, some good some bad. BUT, it's ultimately up to you to succeed on your own. Help is good....but regardless it's up to you.

The Black Community will never elevate itself if it keeps looking for a savior.

>America teaches
>its citizens that their only
>responsibility is their own accountablility.
>I know mad grassroots people
>who soldier on the level
>that they can afford trying
>to bring about a new
>way of living...imagine how much
>easier it would be if
>a highly visible public figure
>assisted. I can tell you
>it won't be JESSE JACKSON...he's
>too busy fighting bullshit causes.

I'm not the biggest Jesse Jackson fan, but he has been doing some significant things with Black Churches all over the country to help them teach their members the importance of home ownership, savings and how to build wealth.

The thing is, it starts with the individual.....we're all responsible for making our lives a success. The idea that a great saviour will come down and save the Ghetto is ludicrous and counterproductive, people need to get up and just do it. Not all will succeed, most won't.....but that's the way it's gotta be.

All the help in the world won't matter unless Blacks are already doing what they can as individuals to elevate.

>How do you teach a poor
>Black man to fend for
>himself if you don't set
>the example? Teach him how
>to dunk if you're an
>athlete? Act if you're an
>actor? Those are god-given talents...GOD-GIVEN!!!
>If you are not returning
>the fruits to God (The
>Most High is represented in
>his people)...then you're wasting that
>shit.

Poor Misguided Naieve child, most successful Blacks aren't athletes or entertainers. A lot of them could teach things like:

Budgeting
Getting their kids into school
Savings
Life Skills
Starting a Business
Investing
Tips to getting a better job
Home Ownership

Need I go on?

Knowledge is what separates the rich from the poor. For example, let's say you have a poor Black family...2 kids...Mom and Dad work...barely bring in $25k/year.

Let's say I work with them on Job Skills, I teach Mom computer skills and how to conduct herself professionally. Eventually, I coach her into a secretary's job where we now makes more then both of them used to make together.

I work with Pops...teach him job skills as well, manage to get him a Job at UPS...(a very minority friendly company) now he's making more then they used to make together.


Now that they have some money, I help them move to a nice area. It's got better schools for the kids, and it's quieter...maybe even cheaper. I teach them how to budget, live below their means and sock money away. I teach them about dollar cost averaging and how to work on buying a house.

I tell them to take full advantage of their company's 401k plans, and of the tuition reimbursement. It's rough with two kids, but we find ways to get around that..and they go back to school.

I talk to the Kids too, tell them the importance of education and how important it is now...even though they're in middle school to start preparing for college.

10 years later, let's look on them again:

They've built a 6 figure investment portfolio, they've bought a house and are considering buying up a cheap house where they used to live and rennovating it so that a family like them will have a good place to live. Pops got a degree in Organizational Mgt. and has a nice job at UPS, Moms got a degree in book keeping and works as an accountant for a local Business. Their joint income exceeds 6 figures.

Kids are about to go to school, but that's not a worry...between savings, state schools and loans.....they're aiight.

Get the picture?

What's better? What I mentioned or a rich Black person starting a Supermarket?


>
>>#5. Let's be real, if you're
>>going to invest in a
>>poor community (without gentrifying it
>>and forcing some folks out)
>>you could loss your money....it's
>>hard to get a return
>>on your investment in an
>>economically depressed area.
>
>Yes you do. You stand to
>lose everything. Every fucking thing
>you ever owned. It could
>blow up in your face...you
>could get jacked for your
>money by disreputable people...yes you
>could.
>
>But if you don't take the
>chance...what have you done? I
>mean...what have you done other
>than secure YOURSELF over the
>security of the WHOLE? That's
>America at its best, huh?
>That's what we want kids
>to grow up to think?
>Not mine, yo. Not mine.

Kids need to grow up and learn to do for self, nor should throw away their own security...because who is going to help you up then?

It's real easy for you to say that people should risk all their money when it's not yours and it's not your family who may need that loot.


Peace,



M2


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36. "I'm not replying..."
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Because I just don't have the energy to argue you down. But I will say this.

Calling me 'dolt'...'poor, misguided naive child' as well as insisting that I 'have the foggiest idea of making business work' was out of pocket.

I never, at any time, made this a personal attack. I argued my point...yes I cursed to do so, but only to show that I have serious fire on this issue. I agree with some of what you said...but I never questioned your knowledge or your intelligence. In short...our arguement was about issues, it was never about you.

In short, my arguments may be overly virtuous in your opinion, or naive...but never where they stupid arguements. They did not come from a stupid person. Don't treat me as such.

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50. "One would tend to agree"
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If you wish to have a successful business in this society it WILL require U to do business outside the community.

U can not expect individuals to give back but you can hold them accountable for their actions. (via) BOYCOTT ect.. but this goes with everyting whether it is an athlete, entertainer, musician, ect... singling out the athletes does not make sence.

One can not poor money into a community if the people are not ready to proporly use it. Mindstates would have to totally be reversed inorder for what you speak about to be successful. If reparations were given out tomorrow do U honestly feel that money would be wisely invested. Would the black community suddenly open there eyes.

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59. "Agreed."
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Read my posts on Black Economics and Reparations.



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52. "mostly agree..."
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...and your knowledge of economics is valuable (I know I've learned a few things here & there), but...


>I don't owe you shit...if I
>owe anyone, I owe the
>people who died to get
>me the rights I have
>now. The Same rights you
>enjoy, what I do with
>those rights is my Business.
>I earned everything I have
>and you had NOTHING to
>do with it. In Honor
>of those before me, I
>should do something for the
>less fortunate as well. But
>it's something I should do......it's
>not a debt.
>
>Unless you helped me Build what
>I have, unless your support
>made it possible.......I don't owe
>you got a damn thing.
>This is what irks me,
>successful Blacks who rise out
>of the Ghetto or ones
>that were Born middle class
>like myself......build their lives with
>the help of their families
>(and a few others) and
>with their own hardwork and
>sweat. Then folks in the
>"community" who didn't contribute a
>damn thing, want to take
>credit for and start talking
>about what they're owed.

you turned me off a little here. I think there's a medium between feeling like you owe the community (or the community wanting to suck u dry) and the thinking you expressed here.

You're right in that we have to educate people to perpetuate these kinds of gains for themselves. We don't know enough about economics. But at the same time, in order to uplift when and where we can, sacrifices need to be made.

And for each one of us who makes it, there are 3 more that die on the streets. Three more who died without making it. Without knowing what I know or having the opportunities I had. I think that needs to change, and that will only change when we feel some sense of obligation.

Yes, the community needs to learn to do for self. No, we should not feel that everyone who "makes it" owes us a piece of the pie, per se. But you sometimes have to look at history. Who/What taught us to look for a savior? Why do we think we're owed? Why are we in the economic/educational bind we're in?

None of that started overnight.



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58. "RE: mostly agree..."
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The "Debt" is owed by Racist White America, who put a lot of Blacks in the position where their lives are defined by General Poverty AND not by their talents/intelligence or desire to succeed.

I'm neither White or Racist.


Blacks "should" help out less fortunate Blacks, but it's not repayment of a debt. By virtue of my having succeeded doesn't automatically translate into owing all Poor Blacks for every thing I accomplish.

Sacrifices have to be made by everyone, but the burden doesn't lie on the Backs of successful Blacks to make the sacrifice.

Some poor Blacks don't understand, that affluent Blacks can give too much....because they have to maintain their own standing and take care of their own. That's why I get ticked off when people start telling me I owe them for my success, particularly since I've worked my ass to get where I am....and didn't have much support from anyone besides my girlfriend and my close friends (not even my family in some cases, but we're not going there on the boards).

It's really a reaction due to some personal shit, so maybe I went to far on my post. Just by nature of living in the burbs all my life, I've had more white friends then Black ones......and the Brothas (with a noted exception or 2, you know who you are) I thought were my friends tried to screw me over when I was working my way up..(heck, I'm still doing it).

So I get a little testy, when Poor Blacks tell me that I owe them something. When they had nothing to do with my success currently, or the successes I'll have in the future. Particularly if I were to make a list of who to thank right now, there would be more Asians, Whites, East Indians & Arabs, then Blacks.

It's not that I think Black people don't support each other enough, it's just that they are plenty of cases where Blacks achieve success largely on their own two feet (yes, even us from the burbs) and then Blacks who have less have their hands out, talking about what they're owed.


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62. "felt n/m"
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45. "Still no black bank."
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why?

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46. "What??"
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There are many black banks...

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47. "2 much like"
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not talking out your behind

(this isn't directed at anyone in particular - but you ever notice how folks think because they dont' see it, it must not exist? ain't that a trip?)

  

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53. "Yep!!!!!!"
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Ain't Seaway National still in operation?




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54. "Seaway came to mind."
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I would say Shore Bank...I mean...it isn't black owned...but they ghetto as hell...does that count?

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55. "United Bank"
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in Philadelphia.

Shit happens

  

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57. "RE: United Bank"
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However...........

........a lot of Black Banks, United national in particular are in serious financial trouble.

Just last summer, United Bank's founder was ousted, and they had to make a deal with the Feds to maintain their FDIC insurance: Their problems were Under Capitalization (not enough funds om deposit) sky high defaults on loans, etc. They've had to close some Branches, raise fees (which just caused people to pull their money out)

Basically, United Bank forgot that it was a Business and tried to act like a social welfare organization and got itself in trouble. It's sad really, it was trying to help the people in Poor Black Communities and philly and got itself in trouble.

But if United National Bank folds, where will the people of those communities (the ones who paid their loans and had decent deposits) go then?

Even the Black Banks that aren't in bad economic shape, aren't really strong enough to really help the community. When Carver National Bank (which also has had severe economic trouble recently) is ranked as the #1 Blank Bank by Black enterprise, simply because it has more assets and capital then the rest...that indicates a problem for the industry as a whole.

Even if you're not "under capitalized" and are profitable. A Bank with around 20 million in capital and 200 million in assets isn't a very economically strong Bank. It sounds like a lot, but in the overall scheme of things, it really isn't.

So what's the problem? Well, it's hard to build a profitable Bank that can really help the community, when your customers are living in poverty.


What's the solution? Open Branches in White Neighboorhoods! I keep my loot for my side business in a small community Bank, I think they have 5 Branches, maybe 7. But they have 10 BILLION dollars in assets and about 1 Billion in capital.

That's roughly 50 times the assets of the average Bank in the Black Enterprise top 10.

Case In Point: Black Investment Banks are doing very well, because they focus on Affluent Blacks & Whites!

Of course, someone is bound to say: "White folks won't go to a Black Bank" To which my response is: "How many Black people know if their local Bank is Black owned? AND often assume it's white owned if they get turned down for a loan" How would the Average White guy know that a Bank was Black owned, if it opened up in his neighboorhood?

Here is the way I look at it:

Black Banks have better customer service then White Ones, that's a fact.

Everyone here in Suburbia, since I've been old enough to talk...has been complaining about the service at our local "White Banks".

If I had control over a Black Bank, I would simply start a separate company (owned by the Black Bank) that would start a new Bank in the suburbs, and I would put some White boys in charge. Then simply start opening up Branches and and focus on good customer service.

THEN, use the money generated by the White Branches and put it in the Community. The risk isn't as Great, because the White Branches are maintaining your solvency.

Damn, I'm shocked that no other Black Banks have thought of this.


ARGHHH!



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60. "Damn shame"
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I'm no where near being a knowledgeable economics/business man and even I have thought of this. I think it is proof of a problem that is GREATER than JUST economics.

>If I had control over a
>Black Bank, I would simply
>start a separate company (owned
>by the Black Bank) that
>would start a new Bank
>in the suburbs, and I
>would put some White boys
>in charge. Then simply start
>opening up Branches and and
>focus on good customer service.
>
>
>THEN, use the money generated by
>the White Branches and put
>it in the Community. The
>risk isn't as Great, because
>the White Branches are maintaining
>your solvency.


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61. "RE: Damn shame"
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>I'm no where near being a
>knowledgeable economics/business man and even
>I have thought of this.
>I think it is proof
>of a problem that is
>GREATER than JUST economics.

Agreed; Blacks have become Myopic with respect towards looking for ways to solve problems.



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63. "Citizen Trust"
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Citizen Trust attempted to do this but once the word came out of how the actual owners were the plan got nixed. It is not easy for Black Banks to do this, however Citizen Trust is pretty sound from what I understand, even if it is small in size, but it still could not play the field. The states are to high for majority banks to allow one of ours to just post up. My take is that, and what I understand Citizen Trust is doing, is strengthening their position in the Black suburbs around the city, and increase their services into money market accounts, real estate, and insurance.

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64. "No Argument here...."
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.....but Black banks don't have a choice n/m?

If they're really going to be an economic force to help poor Black communities, where the majority of their customers are poor and the ones who elevate themselves financially, typically leave..they HAVE to drum up Business outside the community.

I lot of Black Banks are more or less sound, but they're so small it's hard for them to do much.

Expanding their range of financial services and expanding to Black suburbs is a good start, particularly since Black Suburbs (in my experience) seem to have White People living in or near them anyway....so it's a good place to start to gradually put our Businesses in their neighboorhoods too.

As for the Stakes being high, well NO bank wants another Bank opening near them. BUT, I see new Banks opening up in the burbs everyday. I suspect however, that Majority Banks are able to push their way into new Markets easier, simply because they have more money. PLUS, you and I know that all it takes is ONE racist to throw a Monkey Wrench in the whole program.

So we're going to have to be Creative, charter a new Bank company (majority owned by the Black Bank) and send that Bank into the Suburbs, put some token White Boys in charge. Start a Real Estate company, and buy up potential Branch Locations.......AND then move your Bank into it.

Whatever we have to do, it must be done. We have to generate our economic strength from somewhere. I'll admitt that they are numerous obstacles in our way, but I don't think we could really be stopped in the end.

Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but I see Blacks increasing their incomes at 10%/year, I see Black Businesses increasing their profits faster then White ones (For the last 15 or so years). So while I think they're are those who want to stop us, I only think they can slow us down. Furthermore, I see corporate America trying to capitalize on it, by buying Black Investment Banks and Ad Agencies. AND, Black Investment Banks seem to be able to get White customers......so now it's time for other Black Businesses to do the same.

Citizen Trust was an unfortunate set back, but that's all it was. Throw Our Race, and economically the stakes are high for Banks allowing new ones to open up...but a New Bank just oppened up within 200 meters of my housing development and other opened up within a 1/2 mile of here. We have to keep trying, because in the end, they can't really stop us...only slow us down. It's not about the Whites letting us do anything, it's about us saying: "hey we're posting up, deal with it. Oh got a monkey Wrench eh? Damn, while you were focusing on me one of my boys just posted up on your behind"

I'm sick of White Businesses getting everyone's dollar, while Black Businesses limit themselves to 13% of population. Those Businesses are the source of economic strength for a lot of us, and we have to expand to get the White Dollar as well. Asians and the Jews have faced this problem too, and they got past it. So will we.


Anyway, now that I'm finished ranting. How exactly did the Citizen Trust thing get squashed? I ask because I'm curious as to the obstacles in doing things like this.


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