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The Real
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"Let's Recommend Books"


  

          

What's up Okayplayer heads. I was at a conference Friday and was read an interesting statistic. We were told that on average a person reads .8 books a year. This is particularly distrubing being a Black male. I read about 2 to 3 books a month. I really got into reading while I was in highschool because I realized how much black history I was missing out on (the only Black history we are really taught is slavery). I feel reading is important and it should be a priority for minorities.

I'm interested in hearing what Okayplayer heads are reading or have read and would recommend. The book can be fiction or non-fiction and about any topic. I'll start by recommending this book:

The African-American Centuty: How Black Americans Have Shaped Our Country by Cornel West

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White supremacy and racism were thrust upon us - we didn't invent them. We're just by-products of the worst aspects of them. Rebuilding the Black community will involve gaining control of our own education, economics, and law enforcement. -Chuck D "Rap, Race, and Reality"

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Subject Author Message Date ID
what do you think about cornel west?
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
1
RE: what do you think about cornel west?
Apr 30th 2001
3
"insightful individual"
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
6
      I don't like this.
Apr 30th 2001
21
           Continued...
Apr 30th 2001
22
           sometimes...
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
23
                I know
Apr 30th 2001
24
I was just about to recommend c.west
Apr 30th 2001
5
GOOD TOPIC
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
2
I really need a good book to read...
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
4
Caryl Phillips
Apr 30th 2001
25
try Kwame...
May 03rd 2001
67
RE: nationbuilding...
May 03rd 2001
68
MUST READ
Apr 30th 2001
7
two
Apr 30th 2001
8
eventual archive request n/m
Apr 30th 2001
9
depends
Apr 30th 2001
13
      my bad
Apr 30th 2001
15
"The Killing Season:A Summer Inside an LAPD Homicide Division"
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
10
      ..
Apr 30th 2001
12
Frantz Fanon
Apr 30th 2001
11
RE: Frantz Fanon
May 01st 2001
42
      RE: Frantz Fanon
May 01st 2001
61
RE: Let's Recommend Books
gnutron
Apr 30th 2001
14
le roi jones
Apr 30th 2001
20
good pick
May 01st 2001
57
a few on the shelf
Apr 30th 2001
16
RE: Let's Recommend Books
Apr 30th 2001
17
RE: Let's Recommend Books
Apr 30th 2001
18
RE: Let's Recommend Books
Apr 30th 2001
19
what I've read in the past few months...
Apr 30th 2001
26
RE: Let's Recommend Books
starchild73
Apr 30th 2001
27
great literature
Apr 30th 2001
28
cosign
Apr 30th 2001
29
oh shit...
Apr 30th 2001
34
      get in line n/m
May 01st 2001
44
RE: great literature
tohunga_whakapani
Apr 30th 2001
30
The Most Beautiful Book Is...
Azucar Negra
Apr 30th 2001
31
okay.
May 01st 2001
52
RE: great literature
May 01st 2001
59
RE: great literature
May 01st 2001
63
hilarious
Apr 30th 2001
32
that WAS funny
utamaroho
Apr 30th 2001
33
Yes!
Daled
May 01st 2001
62
Books I like:
Apr 30th 2001
35
RE: Let's Recommend Books
Apr 30th 2001
36
Lies my teacher told me
Apr 30th 2001
37
RE: Let's Recommend Books
Apr 30th 2001
38
RE: Let's Recommend Books
Apr 30th 2001
39
RE: Let's Recommend Books
liberation
May 01st 2001
41
Krik? Krak!
Apr 30th 2001
40
anything by Farai Chideya n/m
May 01st 2001
43
Asian/Latino/Indian/Native America
May 01st 2001
45
RE: Asian/Latino/Indian/Native America
May 01st 2001
46
Great Post, The Real..
CoolV
May 01st 2001
48
RE: Asian/Latino/Indian/Native America
May 01st 2001
47
      RE: Asian/Latino/Indian/Native America
cocopuffs68
May 01st 2001
49
      Filipino writers!
May 01st 2001
51
      Diversity Blues - The impact of Racism, Sexism in organizations
ladyt277
May 01st 2001
50
here goes
May 01st 2001
53
RE: here goes
May 01st 2001
58
non Black novels
May 01st 2001
54
RE: Let's Recommend Books
MstrJ
May 01st 2001
55
RE: Let's Recommend Books
MstrJ
May 01st 2001
56
stuff I've read recently that I enjoyed
May 01st 2001
60
use to read Bukowski
May 01st 2001
64
RE: Let's Recommend Books
May 01st 2001
65
Black Genius
May 02nd 2001
66
walter rodney
May 03rd 2001
69
RE: walter rodney
May 03rd 2001
70
RE: Let's Recommend Books
May 23rd 2001
71

utamaroho

Mon Apr-30-01 09:33 AM

  
1. "what do you think about cornel west?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

(((((SCENE FROM AMISTAD)))))

Baldwin(white man): "I said it! I said it! But I shouldn't have. Now what I should have said..."

Translator: "I can't translate that. I can't translate SHOULD."

Roger Baldwin: "You mean there's no word in Mende for SHOULD?"

Translator: "No, either you do something or you don't don't do it."

Roger Baldwin: "What I said to you before the judgment is ALMOST how it works, ALMOST..."

Cinqué (Sengbe): "What kind of place is this?!? Where you almost mean what you say?!? Where laws almost work?!? How can you live like this?!?"

(((((PEACE)))))

  

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3. "RE: what do you think about cornel west?"
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I like Cornell West. He is a very intelligent, well spoken, and insightful individual. What I really hate is when he goes on a show (let's say Larry King for example) and says something provocative or controversial they try to get somebody (usually another black male) to off-set what he says. What is your assesment of Cornel West?

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White supremacy and racism were thrust upon us - we didn't invent them. We're just by-products of the worst aspects of them. Rebuilding the Black community will involve gaining control of our own education, economics, and law enforcement. -Chuck D "Rap, Race, and Reality"

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utamaroho

Mon Apr-30-01 09:46 AM

  
6. ""insightful individual""
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illustrate this statement...

my take on Mr. West is not one that is positive so i'll remain silent for a sec and compose my reasons so as not to seem condescending or judgemental...

"well spoken?!?" reminds me of what Chris Rock said of Colin Powell n/m


(((((SCENE FROM AMISTAD)))))

Baldwin(white man): "I said it! I said it! But I shouldn't have. Now what I should have said..."

Translator: "I can't translate that. I can't translate SHOULD."

Roger Baldwin: "You mean there's no word in Mende for SHOULD?"

Translator: "No, either you do something or you don't don't do it."

Roger Baldwin: "What I said to you before the judgment is ALMOST how it works, ALMOST..."

Cinqué (Sengbe): "What kind of place is this?!? Where you almost mean what you say?!? Where laws almost work?!? How can you live like this?!?"

(((((PEACE)))))

  

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21. "I don't like this."
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Cornel West not withstanding, I think it's wrong to sit back and let others start discussions. If you have something to say on a subject, speak on it. It should matter if you think yours is the minority view -- in fact, that is the time when it's probably most crucial for you to speak up.

Isn't solely directed at you, because this is all too common here.

Stand on the strength of your convictions, and back them up. As long as you do so intelligently, offering some reasoning behind your opinion, no one can accuse you of anything. If they do, eff 'em.

Say what you believe. Believe what you say.

RED

"Sounds like Zen," I said. "Interesting
enough in itself as a system of
thought, but not much
good for explaining anything."
© Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up
Bird Chronicle.

RED
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22. "Continued..."
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Too often, the approach to argumentation that people here take is to sit back and try to pick apart the arguments of others, instead of failing to present a credible opposing argument. Like some lame TV defense lawyer, they think that it's better to try to prove the state didn't meet their burden, and so they don't have to bother with presenting their own view -- if they have one.

I would love it if people could start by presenting their sides of the issue before jumping into point-counterpoint.

But that's just me.

Once again, this ain't about you.

RED

"Sounds like Zen," I said. "Interesting
enough in itself as a system of
thought, but not much
good for explaining anything."
© Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up
Bird Chronicle.

RED
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utamaroho

Mon Apr-30-01 11:21 AM

  
23. "sometimes..."
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its better to sit and observe first to get correct understanding of a situation. i could have just came right out and said what i had to say but why not try and understand the POV of another. lately i'm more interested in why people say what they do, not so much WHAT they are saying...

*read some of my other posts* i'm the last one to hold his tongue (wrath is my specialty)


(((((SCENE FROM AMISTAD)))))

Baldwin(white man): "I said it! I said it! But I shouldn't have. Now what I should have said..."

Translator: "I can't translate that. I can't translate SHOULD."

Roger Baldwin: "You mean there's no word in Mende for SHOULD?"

Translator: "No, either you do something or you don't don't do it."

Roger Baldwin: "What I said to you before the judgment is ALMOST how it works, ALMOST..."

Cinqué (Sengbe): "What kind of place is this?!? Where you almost mean what you say?!? Where laws almost work?!? How can you live like this?!?"

(((((PEACE)))))

  

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24. "I know"
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That's why I said it wasn't directed at you.

but some people need to be on some "Kim and Cookie" stuff and SPILL IT!

Personally, I like Cornel West, but I don't know his stuff well enough to defend him.

RED

"Sounds like Zen," I said. "Interesting
enough in itself as a system of
thought, but not much
good for explaining anything."
© Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up
Bird Chronicle.

RED
http://arrena.blogspot.com

  

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5. "I was just about to recommend c.west"
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check out the cornell west reader...it's a compilation of his essays with some autobiographical stuff. about 20 bucks--this book is a vocabulary builder.
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utamaroho

Mon Apr-30-01 09:39 AM

  
2. "GOOD TOPIC"
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About time we get back onto some BUILDING topics about now...

My recommendation:

Polics of Black Nationalism, From Harlem to Soweto by KNIFE ABRAHAM (reading it now)

Light from Ancient Africa by Naim Akbar (classic study for black psychologists)

Yurugu by Marimba Ani (always a good reference for understanding European behavior from afrikan perspective)

Makes Me Wanna Holler : A Young Black Man in America -- Nathan McCall (nice beginnning book for african american studies)

Malcolm X autobiography (no explanation needed) (reading AGAIN right now)

Assata: An Autobiography by Assata Shakur

Negroes by Larry Crawford





  

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utamaroho

Mon Apr-30-01 09:43 AM

  
4. "I really need a good book to read..."
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right now i'm looking all over the ATL for this book NATIONBUILDING, but am intersted in reading a good book. NO FICTION though. perhaps history of Africa or something...any ideas?

(((((SCENE FROM AMISTAD)))))

Baldwin(white man): "I said it! I said it! But I shouldn't have. Now what I should have said..."

Translator: "I can't translate that. I can't translate SHOULD."

Roger Baldwin: "You mean there's no word in Mende for SHOULD?"

Translator: "No, either you do something or you don't don't do it."

Roger Baldwin: "What I said to you before the judgment is ALMOST how it works, ALMOST..."

Cinqué (Sengbe): "What kind of place is this?!? Where you almost mean what you say?!? Where laws almost work?!? How can you live like this?!?"

(((((PEACE)))))

  

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25. "Caryl Phillips"
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Nature of Blood (which I've read)
Cambridge
couple others by him.

Deep, complex, multi-layered writing, mostly on race relations and associated matters. Mostly with historical context. Caribbean native, educated in England, I think he lives in NY now.

In Nature of Blood, he weaves three (or four) stories: the story of a Jewish family in prewar Germany, a British soldier who falls for a holocaust survivor after the liberation of a camp, a man who travels to Israel to help build the new nation and meets an Ethiopian girl, and a Moorish general who goes to a new job in Venice in the 16th century or so (a thinly disguised narrative of Othello). Fascinating, heady stuff which he expertly ties together into a powerful study of the racism (to overgeneralize it).

It's not light reading. But well worth it.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679454705/103-7127800-7982218

RED

"Sounds like Zen," I said. "Interesting
enough in itself as a system of
thought, but not much
good for explaining anything."
© Haruki Murakami, The Wind-Up
Bird Chronicle.

RED
http://arrena.blogspot.com

  

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67. "try Kwame..."
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I´d recommend that book by Kwame Nkrumah...
but goddamn I cant get the name ov that book
in my head rite now...

BUT remember the name- Kwame Nkrumah...and try to find that
book ov his...gots to do w/ pan-afrikanism(I recall?!!!??!)



  

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68. "RE: nationbuilding..."
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www.afrikandieli.com

finished reading it sunday.
a must have!
one of the most important books
i've ever read.
required reading for those of us
about self-reliance and
self-determination.

  

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7. "MUST READ"
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If you like poetry, you HAVE to go buy "Affrilachia" by Frank X. Walker. Mr. Walker is an African American male from Kentucky (my home state) and he writes beautifully about what it's like growin' up black in Appalachia. GO GET IT!!! If you've already read it, email me... i'd luv to hear what you thought...


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8. "two"
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(here's hoping this post doesn't degenerate beyond the main idea at hand)

"And Still We Rise: The Trials and Triumphs of Twelve Gifted Inner-City High School Students"

and

"The Killing Season:A Summer Inside an LAPD Homicide Division"

both by Miles Corwin

  

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9. "eventual archive request n/m"
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13. "depends"
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there are already a couple of archived posts on this topic...if this adds something then maybe

make sure you remind me before it "falls off the edge"

  

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15. "my bad"
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http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1004&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes

http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1181&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes

i think i got them but you never know.

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utamaroho

Mon Apr-30-01 09:59 AM

  
10. ""The Killing Season:A Summer Inside an LAPD Homicide Division""
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was this an interesting book, eyeopening, shocking?

and...what did you get out of the first one?



(((((SCENE FROM AMISTAD)))))

Baldwin(white man): "I said it! I said it! But I shouldn't have. Now what I should have said..."

Translator: "I can't translate that. I can't translate SHOULD."

Roger Baldwin: "You mean there's no word in Mende for SHOULD?"

Translator: "No, either you do something or you don't don't do it."

Roger Baldwin: "What I said to you before the judgment is ALMOST how it works, ALMOST..."

Cinqué (Sengbe): "What kind of place is this?!? Where you almost mean what you say?!? Where laws almost work?!? How can you live like this?!?"

(((((PEACE)))))

  

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12. ".."
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>was this an interesting book, eyeopening,
>shocking?

interesting yes. the other two, not particularly

>and...what did you get out of
>the first one?

this is a subject very close to my heart (for a couple of reasons). ultimately, it was good to see a book written about young black children who strive to do well outside the circumstances life has dealt them (young Black children who aren't druggies, thugs, etc. what a concept...notice my sarcasm).

considering that these folk graduated the year california dumped "affirmative action" it was interesting to see how they were affected (not because they weren't "worthy" of a college education, but because the way the system is set up they fall into a "lower bracket" despite taking honors courses)

  

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11. "Frantz Fanon"
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one of my favorites: "The Wretched of the Earth"

  

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42. "RE: Frantz Fanon"
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This was a great read, couldn't put it down when I started. Also check his other one, I think its called "Black Skin White Mask" or something.

  

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61. "RE: Frantz Fanon"
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Black skin White Masks is a classic.

  

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gnutron

Mon Apr-30-01 10:20 AM

  
14. "RE: Let's Recommend Books"
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check out:

from savage to negro, by lee baker

blues people, by leroi jones (amiri baraka)

death and the king's horseman, by wole soyinka

lies my teacher told me, by james loewen

  

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20. "le roi jones"
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DEFinately

i would also suggest reading anything by bel hooks or june jordan

one book, i think it's called "a history of our own" but i don't remember who wrote it

sister outsider, audre lorde


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57. "good pick"
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>from savage to negro, by lee
>baker

I just finished this one, and am relying on it heavily for a paper I'm writing.

What a great introduction to racial theories that have shaped the nation, and the supposed anthropology behind them. Very strong, very useful.

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And you may ask yourself... where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself... Am I right? Am I wrong?
And you may ask yourself... MY GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!" - "Once In A Lifetime" - Talking Heads

"Trouble in transit/got through the roadblock/we blended with the crowd
We got computer/we're tapping phone lines/I know that ain't allowed
We dress like students/we dress like housewives/or in a suit and a tie
I changed my hairstyle/so many times now/I don't know what I look like!
You make me shiver/I feel so tender/we make a pretty good team
Don't get exhausted/I'll do some driving/you ought to get some sleep
Get you instructions/follow directions/then you should change your address
Maybe tomorrow/Maybe the next day/Whatever you think is best
Burned all my notebooks/What good are notebooks?/They won't help me survive...
My chest is aching/Burns like a furnace/The burning keeps me alive..." - "Life During Wartime" - Talking Heads

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16. "a few on the shelf"
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Thanks for this topic!

The African American Century by Cornell West (learn a lot..still reading through)

An Underground Education by Richard Zacks (very weird facts in here..check this one out)

The Kebra Negast edited by Gerald Hausman

Heal Thyself by Queen Afua




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17. "RE: Let's Recommend Books"
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Yall should definitely read "Black Boy" by Richard Wright. That's the only book that ever brought tears to my eyes.
Easy

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I was gonna say that one too. Ive read it so many times though..in high school& freshman year in college. Im glad that it did though

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I HIGHLY recommend Live From Death Row by Mumia Abu Jamal. He, too, writes books that are vocabulary-building and the chapter titled "The Visit" brought tears to my eyes.

  

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26. "what I've read in the past few months..."
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Jared Diamond
The Third Chimpanzee

About human evolution...how human tools, sexuality, language, culture evolved, integrating biology, paleontoglogy, and anthropology.

Jared Diamond
Guns, Germs, and Steel

Basically a through dismantling of racist theories of history (i.e., Europeans dominate the world today because of their genetic superiority). Shows how certain ecologies and geographies were more conducive to what we call "civilization."

Chinua Abeke (sp???)
Things Fall Apart

Fiction based on a million true stories...

Autobiography of Maclolm X

Nuff said...





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On the nightstand:

-Africans In America-- Charles Johnson
Comprehensive study on slavery, and the introduction of the Black Man to America.

-The Will to Power-- Friedrich Nietzche
Compilation of the random thoughts of a German philosopher. I recommend the Kaufmann/Hollingdale translation as there are many out there, and their footnotes alone could make an excellent book.

  

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if you want to stay within the 20th century (that's my favorite), try reading some joyce (shut up alek), starting with dubliners, then trying portrait of the artist as a young man, and then if you're ready to start understanding what you've just read, move onto Ulysses. save yourself the trouble with finnegan's wake, though, unless you think ulysses was the greatest thing you've ever read (like me).

william faulkner's the sound and the fury is also a hell of a read, and to expand upon some of the questions he raises there and elsewhere, look for light in august, and also absalom, absalom!.

(god i wish i had italics, it'd make writing these titles so much clearer).

gabriel garcia marquez: 100 years of solitude (maybe the most purely enjoyable piece of literature i've ever read).

if you like these, ask me for more suggestions, or just look for things in the same sections of your local library.

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I wholeheartedly agree with all of your recommendations, and suggest the following instead of italics:

(1) Put the title in quotation marks (which we hate because those are properly used for articles, not books); (2) Put the title in all caps (which is technically correct for citation but which we interpret as shouting and so steer away from); or (3) since the rest of your post is all lower case, just initial capitalization on the titles would make them stand out.

Also: Colson Whitehead, The Intuitionist. He has a new one that will be published next month. But don't miss The Intuitionist. In-fucking-credible.

Peace.

I slept and dreamt that life was joy,
I awoke and saw that life was service,
I acted and, behold, service was joy.

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All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

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you're ILL....

janey, i'm serious, i wanna marry you.

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Vivrant - q-tip
bfnh - dres
guinness - ju-ju
Mosaic - common
ILLWILL - Chi Ali! hahaha!!!
SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Ali Shaheed
Nickelz45 - psyco les
Raina - monie love
Phil - Jarobi
Donwill - trugoy

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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If y'all can find them over there:
'once were warriors' or 'what becomes of the broken-hearted', both by Maori author Alan Duff, or anything by Hone Tuwhare.

sweet
kapai kaipatu pukura
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The Prisoner's Wife

it's SOOOOOO beautful, makes you look at those trapped in the system & those that love them differently...

COP IT!!

  

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try reading some joyce
>(shut up alek),

Let's clear something up. James Joyce is, behind William Shakespeare, probably the greatest writer in our language.

(*mumble*...Yeats...Hemingway...)

Okay? But BEHIND Shakespeare, that's all. Don't forget.

But yes, to everyone who doesn't need the hassle of this private feud,

_Ulysses_. Basically, this book is a redefinition of modern identity, so it's sort of indispensable.

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>william faulkner's the sound and the
>fury is also a hell
>of a read, and to
>expand upon some of the
>questions he raises there and
>elsewhere, look for light in
>august, and also absalom, absalom!.

Not a Faulkner fan, but "Sound And The Fury" is a must read. Seriously...

>gabriel garcia marquez: 100 years of
>solitude (maybe the most purely
>enjoyable piece of literature i've
>ever read).

And if you like "100 Years...," go ahead and pick up "Love In The Time Of Cholera" and the collection of short stories "Leaf Storm." For a real quick read, check out "Chronicle Of A Death Foretold," which is real cheap too.

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And you may ask yourself... where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself... Am I right? Am I wrong?
And you may ask yourself... MY GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!" - "Once In A Lifetime" - Talking Heads

"Trouble in transit/got through the roadblock/we blended with the crowd
We got computer/we're tapping phone lines/I know that ain't allowed
We dress like students/we dress like housewives/or in a suit and a tie
I changed my hairstyle/so many times now/I don't know what I look like!
You make me shiver/I feel so tender/we make a pretty good team
Don't get exhausted/I'll do some driving/you ought to get some sleep
Get you instructions/follow directions/then you should change your address
Maybe tomorrow/Maybe the next day/Whatever you think is best
Burned all my notebooks/What good are notebooks?/They won't help me survive...
My chest is aching/Burns like a furnace/The burning keeps me alive..." - "Life During Wartime" - Talking Heads

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63. "RE: great literature"
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don't like faulkner too much, but AS I LAY DYING is good. James Baldwin THE FIRE NEXT TIME is the most riveting book i have ever read. Achebe THE ARROW OF GOD (i think that's what it's called) is good. My favorite author though, is Salman Rushdie. Amazing style to his work. Check out his new one, THE WIND BENEATH HER FEET (i think again).

  

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White Boy Shuffle by Paul Beatty

an excerpt:

I don't remember helping my mother unload the trailer, but the next morning I awoke on the floor of a strange house amid boxes and piles of heavy-duty garbage bags jammed with clothes. The venetian blinds were drawn, and although the sunlight peeked betweent he slats, the house was dark. My mother let out a yell in that distinct-from-somwhere-in-the-kitchen timbre: "Gunnar, go into my purse and buy some breakfast for everybody." I acknolwedged my orders and got dressed. Rummagin through my personal garbage bag, I found my blue Quiksilver shorts, a pair of worn-out dark gray Vans sneakers, a longsleeved claycolored old school Santa Cruz shirt, and just in case the morning chill was still happening. I wrapped a thick plaid flannel around my skinny waist. I found the front door, and like some lost intergalactic B-movie spaceman who has crash-landed on a mysterious planet and is unsure about the atmospheric content, I opened it slowly, contemplating the possibility of encountering intelligent life.

I stepped into a world that was bustling Italian intersection without Italians. Instead of little sheet-metal sedans racing aroun the fontana di Trevi, little kids on beat up Big Wheels and bigger kids on creaky ten speeds weaved in and out of the water spray from a sprinkler set in the middle of the street. It seemed there must have been a fire drill at the hair salon because males and females in curlers and shower caps crammed the sidewalks.

I ventured forth in my new environs and approached a boy about my age who wore an immaculately pressed sparkling white T-shirt and khakis and was slowly pacing one slue-footed black croker-sack shoe in front of the other. I stopped him and asked for directions to the nearest store. He squinted his eyes and leaned back and stifled a laugh. "What the fuck did you say?" I repeated my request, and the laugh he suppresssed came out gently. "Damn, cuz. YOu talk proper like a motherfucker." Cuz? Proper like a motherfucker? It wasnt as if I had said, "Pardon me, old bean, could you perchance direct a new indigene to the nearest corner emporium." My guide's bafflement turned to judgmental indignation at my appearance. "Damn, fool, what's up with your loudass gear? Nigga got on so many colors looking like a walking pain sampler. Did you find the pot of gold at the end of that rainbow? Your not even close to matching. Take your jambalaya wardrobe down to Cadillac Street, make a right, and the store is at the light."

I walked to the store, not believing that some guy who ironed the sleeves on his T-shirt and belted his pants somehwere near his testicles had the nerve to insult me over how I dressed. I returned to the house, dropped the bag of groceries on the table, and shouted, "Ma, you done fucked up and moved to the hood!"

it's satire, don't stress.

  

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>>Take your jambalaya wardrobe

  

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White Boy Shuffle is one of the funniest books I've read in a looooooong time (ever?)... but it get's you thinkin too. Beatty also has a couple of collections (of poetry) out that are both dope (Big Bank Take Little Bank -and- Joker, Joker, Duece).

As for other present and past favorites:
The Moor's Last Sigh (Salman Rushdie) - The story is about four generations of a spice trading family in India as told by the last of the line. Rushdie has a wonderfully fluid narrative style and such a way with words, adjectives especially, that you'll be able to smell the curry. It's a thick book though and wouldn't be a "quick read" at half it's 450 pages. If you've got the time to invest it's definitely worth it.

The Harder They Come (Michael Thelwell) - You might have seen the movie, so did I - it's no where close to as good as the book. It'll take you back to the good old days in the bush outside of Kingston then dump you in to the city to where ya gotta taake care a self.

The Color Of Water (James McBride) - Y'all know about this one I'm sure.

Black, White, Other (non fiction / forgot) - A collection of interviews with and profiles of mixed race folks.

Driven To Distraction (non fiction / forgot) - If you think you may have ADD or just want to know about it; this is the easiest to read, most comprehensive text I've seen.

Born To Rebel (non fiction / forgot) - About the role that birth order plays in personality development. Well researched, well written... well, read it.

Holy Blood, Holy Grail (non fiction / forgot) - Now for something completely different - An exahustively researched history of cristianity... not a religeous text, quite to the contrary. Learn about everything from the beginnings of christianity (compiled from texts that predate the new testament) to the role of the papacy (historically) secret societies (recently) in making world powers. This is some deep shit - again, not a "quick read".

Catch 22 (damn, I forgot...) - The best book of the 20th century? Has my vote. A 'modern' classic and all that, it'll have you laughin out loud. Oh yeah, talk about vocab builders! You'll never have more fun runnin to the dictionary.


I take this readin shit serious.

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Professionally:

"UML Distilled"
By: Martin Fowler

"Life Cycle Toolkit"
By: Ralph Kimball


Ya'll know I'm big on economic empowerment, so here are some books I'd reccomend in that regard:

"Rich Dad, Poor Dad : What the Rich Teach Their Kids About Money That the Poor & Middle Class Do Not!"
By: Robert T. Kiyosaki

"Rich Dad's Guide to Investing : What the Rich Invest in That the Poor and the Middle Class Do Not"
By: Robert T. Kiyosaki

"The Millionaire Next Door: THe Surprising Secrets of America's Wealthy"
By: Thomas J. Stanley, William D. Danko

"The New Rules of Money"
By: Ric Edelman

"Why Should White Boys Have All The Fun?"
By: Reginal F. Lewis

Books for Fun:

Anything in the "Foundation Trilogy" By Issac Asimov

I live everything written by Robert Heinlein, namely:

"Stranger in Strange Land"
"Friday"
"Citizen of the Galaxy"

Piers Anthony writes some good Sci Fi stuff too,



Peace,




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36. "RE: Let's Recommend Books"
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this bridge called my back: writings by radical women of color
cherrie moraga
gloria anzaldua
of water and spirit by malidoma some
The Debt by Randal Robinson
The Prisoner's Wife by Asha Bandele

i will post more later. thanks for all the other suggestions, i will look into them.



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cherrie moraga

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"passion is not friendly. it is arrogant, superbly contemptous of all that is not itself, and, as the very definition of passion implies the impulse to freedom, it has a mighty intimidating power. it contains a challenge. it contains an unspeakable hope." james baldwin

  

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'Not merely a concrete test of the underlying principles of the great republic is the Negro Problem, and the spiritual striving of the freedmen's sons is the travail of souls whose burden is almost beyond the measure of their strength, but the name of this land of their fathers' fathers, and in the name of human opportunity'-- W.E.B. Du Bois

  

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well

The Autobiography of Macolm X (duh!)
Sassafras, Cypress and Indigo by Ntozake Shange
Liliane-Ntozake Shange
The Seventh Octave-Saul Williams
Sula-Toni Morrison
Song of Solomon-Toni Morrison

uh--I generally don't get to do as much leisurely reading because of all the crap I have to read for my British Lit Class, so this is rather short list...Sorry



*Loryn
**ALBUMS THAT I MUST HAVE**
(minus Welcome to Detroit by Jay Dee and Quality Control by Jurassic Five...I'm movin on up (c) the Jeffersons)

Saul Williams-Amethyst Rockstar
Bilal-1st Born Second
India.Arie-Acoustic Soul
Kingdom come Soundtrack
Fred Hammond-Purpose by Design
Radiohead-OK Computer
Radiohead-Kid A
Lyricist Lounge Vol. 1 and 2
Tricky-Maxinquaye
Teena Marie-Millenium Collection
Beatles-Revolver
Love and Basketball Sdtrk.(yeah yo, I know I'm late!)
Janet-All for You
Smashing Pumpkins-Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Roots-Do You Want More?!?!?
Bjork-Selmasongs
Portishead-Dummy
Tricky/DJ Muggs-Juxtapose
Roni Size-In the Mode (thanks, synomomous!)
Gangstarr-Full Clip
Kelis-Kaleidescope (I LOVE THE NEPTUNES!)
Tribe Called Quest-Anthology
Breakestra-Live Mix Vol.2 (if someone can find me a copy of Vol.1 in the US, I will suck their toes)
Smashing Pumpkins-Adore

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Okayoungins-we put some stank on it.

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Racial Unity: An Imperative for Social Progress
--Richard Thomas
(non-fiction...title is self-explanatory)

Caucasia
--Danzy Senna
(fiction, about an interracial child growing up in Boston/New England with "revolutionary" parents during the time of bussing)

Parable of the Sower
Parable of the Talents
Kindred
--all by Octavia Butler
(sci-fi by an extremely talented Black woman)

A Wrinkle in Time
--Madeline L'Ingle
(children's fantasy but a GREAT read at any age)

i could go on and on with my list...perhaps i'll return later.






"You are the revolution,.....don't wait to see it on the 6 o'clock news. Bear witness to yourself."
--Wise_7

"theres' so much tension and hate in the world that the act of love to your neighbor is trully revolutionary...it's all about thinking differently than the mainstream concerns of now. "
--mayhem

"SO POWERFUL IS THE LIGHT OF UNITY THAT IT CAN ILLUMINATE THE WHOLE EARTH."
--Baha'u'llah

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>
>Caucasia
>--Danzy Senna
>(fiction, about an interracial child growing
>up in Boston/New England with
>"revolutionary" parents during the time
>of bussing)

this book is good as hell, i would definitely recommed this book to everyone but especially to folks like me who deal with the interracial thing, i particularly liked the metaphor of the canary in the coal mine...
peace
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re arrange and re member

aim...i am

the right letters are there
it's the wrong composition

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by Edwidge Danticat, awesome book. It's a collection of short stories she's written, powerful language and moving stories about the people of Haiti.

Also, Salman Rushdie "Haroun and the Sea of Stories" is one damn entertaining book. It's supposed to be a children's book but has a deeper social meaning also. Peace.

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_____________
...no man is an island, entire of itself;
every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less,
as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's
or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me,
for I am involved in mankind,
and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
it tolls for thee.

-John Donne


  

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other perspectives?

Mine

Accidental Asian - forgot the author.
100 years of solitude - Gabriel Marcia Marquez (*sp?)

peace
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Junot Diaz, Drown
Ana Castillo, Loverboys
Piri Thomas, Down These Mean Streets

It just BES that way sometimes.

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"People need to stop saying that there is one way to be--and then the issue will disappear." Ntozake Shange-interview in _Mother_ _Jones_


  

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I can appreciate a post like this one because there's a huge misperception out there that Black Folk don't read. I know you've heard it. The one that goes "If you wanna hide something from n!gg@s, put it in a book." Posts like this one surely prove that to be false propaganda. Big ^^^!!

Well, anyway, here's my (abreviated) list of recommended reading:

1. All books by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, primarily his flagship book, "Message to the Blackman." It is too late in the day to have not read this book!
(note: not hatin', but there would be no "Autobiography of Malcom X had it not been for this man. Read the mindset of the man that PRODUCED Malcom.)

2. Also, from his top student, Min. Louis Farrakhan, "A torch light for America." This book literally shows the U.S. govt. how to evade the doom it has earned from Allah/God by unveiling it's flawed, wicked practices and policy by suggesting alternatives.

3. "Mecca" by Desmond Stewart. As a young brother who has yet to make his Hajj, this book is an excellent guide to the Holy City and the culture of Arabia. It gives detailed history of the Kaba and it's origins and why it is such a sacred place and the center of Islam. Great pix, to boot.

4. I'm suprised no one has mentioned "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. This book is not only one of the best books I've ever read, it actually serves as a reference guide on handling yourself in trying situations. Everything to bangin' heads on the street (if that's your thing) to bangin' heads in the conference room at work. Definitely the thinking mans book. It totally expanded my definition of "fighting."

As the self proclaimed "student of the music industry", I find myself gravitating back to the following books often. Holla at me if you've checked them out:

1. Every music industry hopeful should check out "This Business of Music" by the lawyers Sidney Shemel and M. William Krasilovsky. I think they update it every couple of years or so. Details, details, details. Every point is gone over w/ a fine tooth comb.

2. "Every thing you BETTER know about the music business" by Kashif. Considered the new "bible" of the music biz. Easy read yet covers intimate details on everything to landing the best deal to how to become a self-started label.

3. I think someone did mention this one, but it is worthy of a second mention: "Fight the Power; Rap, Race and Reality" by Chuck D. Hard core book for anyone wanting to know the inner workings of PE during their hey-day and after their fall from grace. Gives great insight to the business of rap and how to avoid the pitfalls that he fell into. He makes very powerful statements about the state of race relations (as evidenced by the title) and the state of Black America. This man should be runnin' for office.

4. Last but not least, no industry pundits library is complete w/ out the dark and brooding inside story of the music industry as detailed in the book entitled "Hit Men" by Fredric Dannen. Imagine a total history lesson on the biggest companies in the biz...and the REAL GANGSTAS that started them. After reading this, I laughed at the 'lil thug image that is now prevalent in hip-hop. The real thugs/gangstas are the ones drafting the contracts in the boardroom. You know...the contract that rapes you like a drunk college football jock would a high school virgin? Half these thugs frontin' like they hard are gettin' punked out of their publishing. Imagine Suge Knight to the 10th power.

I'm sure that Bro. ?uest will vouch that these very books have kept him aware of what lurks in the dark...

Lawyers, label execs and promoters, oh my!!
**wherewolf howl here**

...but I love that stuff. Don't ask me why.

  

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47. "RE: Asian/Latino/Indian/Native America"
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Ward Churchill - native american
Books:
Fantasies of the Master Race
Struggle for the Land
and more...
Amazing writer and person, I can't say enough good things about him!! Everyone must check his works out, and, if you can, see him speak in person.


E. San Juan Jr. - Filipino
From Exile to Diaspora
and
Beyond Postcolonial Theory
He's a great writer (and is critical of academicians, especially those post-colonialists).


And of course all those works (especially Orientalism) by
Edward Said - Palestinian.


  

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49. "RE: Asian/Latino/Indian/Native America"
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Phillip Vera Cruz: A Personal History of Filipino Immigrants and the Farmworkers Movement - Craig Scharlin and Lilia Villanueva

  

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51. "Filipino writers!"
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"Dusk" by F. Sionil Jose
"America Is In The Heart" by Carlos Bulosan
"Dogeaters" by Jessica Hagedorn
"The Scent of Green Apples" by N.V.M. Gonzalez

There's also an excellent collection of English short stories and poetry by Filipino writers called "Brown River, White Ocean". I forget who the editor is, though.
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50. "Diversity Blues - The impact of Racism, Sexism in organizations"
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Written by a Black Woman in Corporate America,
Gladys Hankins, Phd. I recently attended a presentation by
Ms. Hankins and her lecture was excellent. The audience was mixed (black, whites, hispanic, asian, old, young, male and female) and she received a standing ovation after her 90 minute presentation. The book covers the how racism is perpetuated through socialization, stereotypes and insecurities and injustices practiced against black americans by the institutions that are necessary in life....judicial system, fininancial community and the belief that Black money is not as imporant as white money . Dr. Hankins resides in Cincinnati and she spoke where I work which is within 3 miles of the rioting. She also explained why the rebellion in Cincinnati over the shooting of an unarmed black teen was the last straw that broke the camels back here. Dr. Hankins who works in Cincinnati like I do knows first hand how the majority of blacks here feel. We deal with having the KKK cross protected on the cities main downtown attraction. The KKK was guarded by the Cincinnati police during Christmas when their cross was displayed. There were about 20 restaurants that closed during the Kool Fest last year. They said that their white patrons would not likely come downtown to dine during the music fest so they all decided to close. Which was a slap in the face to the 150,000 black visitors who may have wanted to dine in those restaurants. A park frequented by black teens in the summer looks like a police fort. Racial profiling is at an all time here. The lists goes on. This book is a must read if you have children. We can't survive if we do not arm our children with how to deal with the craziness in our world. --my apologies for the typos--

  

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53. "here goes"
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Besides _Ulysses_, which I already mentioned (by the way, that's my solution to the Italics issue).

_Everything that Rises Must Converge_ by Flannery O'Connor

- an incredible set of stories dealing with the psychology and racial dynamics of the South. Writing's almost too sharp to bear.


_Imitations_ by Robert Lowell

- Lowell's quasi-translations of European poets. He's described it as "what the poem would be if the poet was me".

_African Rhythm and African Sensibility_ by John Chernoff

- doesn't need much introduction. One of the most sensitively told ethnomusicological studies of West-African drumming.

_Forty Stories_ by Anton Chekov

- a new translation, incredibly good rendering in English.

_Holding the Line_ by Barbara Kingsolver

- before her fiction phase, this book is a gripping description of women in 1983's Arizona Miner's strike.

_Cathedral_ by Raymond Carver

- his best collection of short fiction.


That's enough for now.

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58. "RE: here goes"
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>_Imitations_ by Robert Lowell

Hell yes! Damn... sometimes you think too much like me.

-thebigfunk
"And you may ask yourself... what is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself... where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself... Am I right? Am I wrong?
And you may ask yourself... MY GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!" - "Once In A Lifetime" - Talking Heads

"Trouble in transit/got through the roadblock/we blended with the crowd
We got computer/we're tapping phone lines/I know that ain't allowed
We dress like students/we dress like housewives/or in a suit and a tie
I changed my hairstyle/so many times now/I don't know what I look like!
You make me shiver/I feel so tender/we make a pretty good team
Don't get exhausted/I'll do some driving/you ought to get some sleep
Get you instructions/follow directions/then you should change your address
Maybe tomorrow/Maybe the next day/Whatever you think is best
Burned all my notebooks/What good are notebooks?/They won't help me survive...
My chest is aching/Burns like a furnace/The burning keeps me alive..." - "Life During Wartime" - Talking Heads

-thebigfunk

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54. "non Black novels"
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House on Mango Street (Sandra Cisernos) - for a nice easy read; deals with a young Hispanic girl's life in a barrio

Woman Warrior (Maxine Kingston) - another narrative of a young Chinese girl; the second chapter inspired disney's Mulan (which they did a horrible job with as usual, but i digress)

Ceremony (Leslie Silko) - set post ww2, deals with the experience of native american war veterans in a small reservation



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55. "RE: Let's Recommend Books"
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Crime and Punishment-- Fydor Dostoevsky
Native Son-- Richard Wright
Things Fall Apart-- Chinua Achebe
My Bondage and My Freedom-- Frederick Douglass
The Divine Nine-- Lawrence C. Ross Jr.
The Seventh Octave-- Saul Williams
The Debt-- Randall Robinson

  

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56. "RE: Let's Recommend Books"
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oh yeah... how could i forget:

Siddhartha-- Herman Hesse
Bhagavad Gita
Tao of Jeet Kun Do-- Bruce Lee
Waiting for Godot-- Samuel Beckett
Memnoch the Devil-- Anne Rice
The Histories-- Herodotous
The Color Complex-- Kathy Russell, Midge Wilson, Ronald Hall
The Souls of Black Folk-- WEB DuBois

  

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60. "stuff I've read recently that I enjoyed"
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-"Girl With A Pearl Earring" by Tracy Chevalier
Great debut novel... I think I've said this before on a board (not this one), but there's not a lot of movement to the novel ; it really relies on a certain tension between characters, one that just keeps you reading. A fascinating glimpse into 17th century Dutch life, as well as an imaginative perspective on Vermeer. Very cool.

- "Bukowski: A Life" by Neeli Cherkovski
I'm a Bukowski fan, so I was bound to like this book. In terms of quality, it's not the best biography ever written. However, it covers all its bases, and it focuses on the relationships he forms with editors and publishers a great deal, which is really enlightening. Like I said though, not the greatest biography - it has a lot of holes in terms of time, with no explanation as to why. Perhaps because you can fill them by reading...

- "Post Office" by Bukowski
I just reread this, and it's a killer. Real easy read, strikingly poignant, boldly hilarious. If nothing else, Buk can grab a reader's attention. Anyone stuck in the monotony of a corporate/perfunctory job, this is a crass version of dilbert.

- "Invisible Cities" by Italo Calvino
Shit. Only 140 pages (or something), and this book completely throws you in a different world. For nights when you need an escape, this book is it. Sometimes I just pick it up and read one or two pages, any of them, and it's a sort of rejuvenation. Calvino's a mastermind, I'm convinced.

- "A Heartbreaking Work Of Staggering Genius" - Dave Eggers
I just saw this author, so I'm plugging this book everywhere. Hilarious. If you can make it through the middle portion (where he ruminates on his magazine and his Real World audition), you'll thank yourself. Also, there's a real brutal honesty to be had (which is most prevalent in the faux-Real World Audition, which is why you'll thank yourself!). He even confronts some of his tendencies to rationalize rather coarse behavior... such as subtle forms of racism.

That's good enough for now... these are my most recent picks... I could go on for days.

-thebigfunk
"And you may ask yourself... what is that beautiful house?
And you may ask yourself... where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself... Am I right? Am I wrong?
And you may ask yourself... MY GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!" - "Once In A Lifetime" - Talking Heads

"Trouble in transit/got through the roadblock/we blended with the crowd
We got computer/we're tapping phone lines/I know that ain't allowed
We dress like students/we dress like housewives/or in a suit and a tie
I changed my hairstyle/so many times now/I don't know what I look like!
You make me shiver/I feel so tender/we make a pretty good team
Don't get exhausted/I'll do some driving/you ought to get some sleep
Get you instructions/follow directions/then you should change your address
Maybe tomorrow/Maybe the next day/Whatever you think is best
Burned all my notebooks/What good are notebooks?/They won't help me survive...
My chest is aching/Burns like a furnace/The burning keeps me alive..." - "Life During Wartime" - Talking Heads

-thebigfunk

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64. "use to read Bukowski"
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i like his style



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65. "RE: Let's Recommend Books"
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Someone recommended "Things Fall Apart" by Chinua Achebe but "Arrow of God" is a wonderful book too. (Actually all his books are wonderful...I just met him last week, so I maybe a little biased)

Some other good books are:

The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien
The Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien (just kick ass)
The Art of Happiness by H.H. The Dalai Lama
The Art of War by Sun Tzu



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66. "Black Genius"
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Its a very good book that includes Walter Mosely, Angela Davis, Spike Lee, and others talking on various issues that involes us black folk.

"Retribution is ours, Revolution scared no more". connects email me at eyt8knuckoles@hotmail.com and label it Def.

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how europe underdeveloped africa

  

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another good one would be by steve biko, i write what i like

  

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ALL SISTAH SOULJAH BOOKS...even though there are two, and Toni Morrison and alot more books, but it's too much to write.

America is a dead ho. -Dick Gregory

  

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