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abduhu
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"THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"


          

if Allah wills, i plan to present several articles and links about one of the african americans most illustrious, saavy, and slick con men: malachi z. york, since........you pick a time.

this man has gone from being a muslim, to a reverend, to an egyptian-indian, and who knows what else.

i feel as an activist for truth, that the truth must be put out there for the unaware. esp., in light of what he has done to the african american ppls.

feel free to support, play down, attack, crack jokes, etc.

this IS activism.

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Man-e-Faces
May 17th 2001
1
RE: Man-e-Faces
KAS19
May 17th 2001
4
you got it all wrong,
May 17th 2001
7
      RE: you got it all wrong,
KAS19
May 17th 2001
11
Man-e-Faces W/ THE LINK
May 17th 2001
10
RE: Man-e-Faces
KAS19
May 21st 2001
60
d ome a favor
May 17th 2001
2
and you know thaaaat.
May 17th 2001
3
      beneath my radar
May 17th 2001
6
           this is that one.
May 17th 2001
9
                i'll concur
May 17th 2001
13
                RE: this is that one.
KAS19
May 17th 2001
14
                     can we say "kunta kente"?
May 18th 2001
41
Moved to Athens, now.
May 17th 2001
5
RE: Moved to Athens, now.
KAS19
May 17th 2001
8
reread.........
May 17th 2001
12
      RE: reread.........
Righteous
May 17th 2001
15
      RE: reread.........
KAS19
May 17th 2001
16
DROP -ing science for reals
cphoniks
May 17th 2001
17
      RE: DROP -ing science for reals
KAS19
May 17th 2001
18
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 17th 2001
19
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
IllipticallyDefined
May 17th 2001
20
      RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 18th 2001
28
           RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 22nd 2001
103
                RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
110
Quotes from Scroll #51
May 18th 2001
21
page 115 of Scroll#51
May 18th 2001
22
page 115 of Scroll#51
May 18th 2001
23
pg. 11,12,13 of scroll #51
May 18th 2001
24
Dr. York the Space Cadet
Yusuf
May 18th 2001
25
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
IllipticallyDefined
May 18th 2001
26
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
KAS19
May 18th 2001
27
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
Yusuf
May 18th 2001
29
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
IllipticallyDefined
May 18th 2001
30
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
KAS19
May 18th 2001
32
      'Dogon' n/m
May 18th 2001
49
           of Mali n/m
May 22nd 2001
73
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
KAS19
May 18th 2001
33
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
May 18th 2001
34
      RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
KAS19
May 18th 2001
35
check your inbox, yusuf.
May 18th 2001
40
RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet
Yusuf
May 18th 2001
31
First time...
May 18th 2001
48
      RE: First time...
KAS19
May 21st 2001
58
           I have personally have read
May 22nd 2001
68
this should be interesting.
Wise_7
May 18th 2001
36
RE: this should be interesting.
KAS19
May 18th 2001
37
and i quote..........
May 18th 2001
39
      RE: and i quote..........
KAS19
May 18th 2001
43
ATTN ALL
May 18th 2001
38
      RE: ATTN ALL
KAS19
May 18th 2001
42
      RE: ATTN ALL
May 18th 2001
45
           RE: ATTN ALL
KAS19
May 18th 2001
46
                he can be reached @................
May 18th 2001
47
                     RE: he can be reached @................
KAS19
May 21st 2001
57
      overstanding
May 18th 2001
44
           RE: overstanding
IllipticallyDefined
May 18th 2001
50
           RE: overstanding
KAS19
May 21st 2001
56
           RE: overstanding
revelations
May 22nd 2001
77
           CHECK OUT...
May 21st 2001
61
           Elohim
May 19th 2001
53
                RE: Elohim
KAS19
May 21st 2001
55
                     No not at all
May 22nd 2001
128
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
IllipticallyDefined
May 18th 2001
51
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 21st 2001
59
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 18th 2001
52
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 21st 2001
54
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
IllipticallyDefined
May 21st 2001
62
      RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
IllipticallyDefined
May 21st 2001
63
      RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
66
yeah, Pos is with york
May 22nd 2001
130
      Pos is WIDDACK!!!!!!!....................
May 23rd 2001
132
           RE: Pos is WIDDACK!!!!!!!....................
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
138
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 21st 2001
64
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 22nd 2001
75
      WHAT?????????
May 22nd 2001
76
      RE: WHO?????????
May 22nd 2001
91
           RE: WHO?????????
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
96
                RE: WHO?????????
May 22nd 2001
108
                     RE: WHO?????????
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
112
      RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
79
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 21st 2001
65
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
67
      why did he marry her?
May 22nd 2001
74
           RE: why did he marry her?
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
78
                what is puberty?
May 22nd 2001
82
                     in general
May 22nd 2001
86
                     RE: in general
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
89
                     RE: what is puberty?
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
90
                          ok. gotcha.
May 22nd 2001
93
                               RE: ok. gotcha.
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
97
                                    RE: ok. gotcha.
May 22nd 2001
105
What does he have against poor people?
May 22nd 2001
69
RE: What does he have against poor people?
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
81
more fun from factology.com
May 22nd 2001
70
RE: more fun from factology.com
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
85
This is too fun!
May 22nd 2001
71
RE: This is too fun!
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
84
      RE: This is too fun!
May 22nd 2001
131
my last one for the day:
May 22nd 2001
72
RE: my last one for the day:
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
83
RE: my last one for the day:
May 22nd 2001
98
      RE: my last one for the day:
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
101
           RE: my last one for the day:
May 22nd 2001
109
                RE: my last one for the day:
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
114
FACTS AND FICTION
May 22nd 2001
88
      RE: FACTS AND FICTION
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
94
           planet rizq, WORD!!!!!
May 22nd 2001
95
           RE: planet rizq, WORD!!!!!
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
99
                RE: planet rizq, WORD!!!!!
Inta galatiK
May 22nd 2001
100
                     RE: planet rizq, WORD!!!!!
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
102
                          hohahohaoahaoaa...
Inta galatiK
May 22nd 2001
104
                               RE: hohahohaoahaoaa...
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
106
                                    last tyme i checked...
Inta galatiK
May 22nd 2001
107
                                         RE: last tyme i checked...
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
122
                                              RE: last tyme i checked...
Inta galatiK
May 22nd 2001
129
           MESSAGE NOT MESSENGER
May 22nd 2001
113
                RE: MESSAGE NOT MESSENGER
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
115
                NOW HOW DID I KNOW
May 22nd 2001
116
                you too?
May 22nd 2001
120
u forgot...
Inta galatiK
May 22nd 2001
80
RE: u forgot...
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
87
      lol@chump..
Inta galatiK
May 22nd 2001
92
HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?
May 22nd 2001
111
RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
117
RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?
May 22nd 2001
121
RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
124
      RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?
May 24th 2001
200
REASON
May 22nd 2001
125
      RE: REASON
May 24th 2001
201
           RE: REASON (as a verb)
May 25th 2001
204
                RE: REASON (as a verb)
May 25th 2001
205
                     RE: REASON - that is peace...
May 25th 2001
206
                          RE: REASON - that is peace...
May 25th 2001
209
                               RE: REASON - right or wrong?
May 25th 2001
210
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
bluphiii
May 22nd 2001
118
MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
bluphiii
May 22nd 2001
119
      RE: MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 22nd 2001
123
           RE: MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
KAS19
May 22nd 2001
126
           please see.....................
May 22nd 2001
127
           KAS19, what is your problem?
bluphiii
May 23rd 2001
134
                RE: KAS19, what is your problem?
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
136
           RE: MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
bluphiii
May 23rd 2001
133
how it all got started..................
May 23rd 2001
135
RE: how it all got started..................
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
140
      what questions? n/m
May 23rd 2001
142
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 23rd 2001
137
a nuwaubian prayer.
May 23rd 2001
139
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 23rd 2001
141
wordz from a "z. york" hater
May 23rd 2001
143
RE: wordz from a "z. york" hater
bluphiii
May 23rd 2001
145
a yahoo "search"..............
May 23rd 2001
148
RE: wordz from a "z. york" hater
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
147
From a non-Nuwaubian Moor
May 23rd 2001
164
      The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India
May 24th 2001
203
           Dravidian vs. "Aryan"
May 25th 2001
207
                RE: Dravidian vs. "Aryan"
IllipticallyDefined
May 25th 2001
211
we had a black president, yall...............
May 23rd 2001
144
RE: we had a black president, yall...............
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
149
May 5, 2000........
May 23rd 2001
146
"I AM" plagarized by YORK
May 23rd 2001
150
RE: "I AM" plagarized by YORK
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
152
Illiyuwn? Lets be "Sirius".
May 23rd 2001
151
RE: Illiyuwn? Lets be "Sirius".
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
153
      "360 questions to ask a sunni muslim"
May 23rd 2001
154
           RE: "360 questions to ask a sunni muslim"
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
156
his official web page
May 23rd 2001
155
r u kiddin me?
Yusuf
May 23rd 2001
157
RE: r u kiddin me?
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
160
membership application
May 23rd 2001
158
RE: membership application
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
161
      tsk, tsk.
May 23rd 2001
168
the big "three" fo' sale!!!!
May 23rd 2001
162
RE: the big "three" fo' sale!!!!
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
166
quick question
cphoniks
May 23rd 2001
165
      RE: quick question
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
167
           RE: quick question
May 23rd 2001
172
                RE: quick question
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
175
$75.00 for a tablet?!?
May 23rd 2001
159
RE: $75.00 for a tablet?!?
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
163
      what insults?
May 23rd 2001
170
           RE: what insults?
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
171
                the chattahoochie river......
May 23rd 2001
174
                     RE: the chattahoochie river......
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
176
                          RE: the chattahoochie river......
May 24th 2001
179
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 23rd 2001
169
RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
KAS19
May 23rd 2001
173
      RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
IllipticallyDefined
May 23rd 2001
177
      RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK
May 24th 2001
178
truth on "sale".
May 24th 2001
180
are you making things better
May 24th 2001
181
RE: are you making things better
May 24th 2001
182
btw...............
May 24th 2001
184
question...
May 24th 2001
183
insane about what?
May 24th 2001
185
      forget it.
May 24th 2001
186
           forgotten.......
May 24th 2001
189
2003
May 24th 2001
187
new official web site......
May 24th 2001
188
What does Ahli'l Bait mean?
May 24th 2001
190
how did the arabic show?!?.......
May 24th 2001
191
RE: how did the arabic show?!?.......
May 24th 2001
193
      watch this.
May 24th 2001
194
           RE: watch this.
May 24th 2001
195
           What??
May 25th 2001
208
Muslim Sons
May 24th 2001
196
      RE: Muslim Sons
May 24th 2001
197
the origin of the Shriners' Flag?
May 24th 2001
192
how nuwabians feel..............
May 24th 2001
198
400 acres and a mule?
May 24th 2001
199
RE: 400 acres and a mule?
May 24th 2001
202

abduhu
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1734 posts
Thu May-17-01 11:05 AM

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1. "Man-e-Faces"
In response to Reply # 0


          

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Thu May-17-01 11:14 AM

  
4. "RE: Man-e-Faces"
In response to Reply # 1


          

oh yeah,that's what i'm talkin' bout!you claim to expose some kind of truth about the man,con-man as you say,but where is the proof?i'm in no way,shape,or form,here to defend him.he does an excellent job of it himself.what i will defend is the info he puts forth.i like the way you tried to call me out though.to bad your arms are to short,and doctrine to weak!

  

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abduhu
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Thu May-17-01 11:21 AM

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7. "you got it all wrong,"
In response to Reply # 4


          

PATNA!!!

im calling him out. you just reminded me to do so.
btw, thanks for reminding me.

and to be frank w/ you, what REALLY could i know about a man from the planet rizq(an arabic word for provision) in the galaxy illyuwn(another arabic word)?

i must be lying, huh.

the best defense ive seen in a long time if you really wanna know.
how can anyone question it, when they dont know nothin about it, right?

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Thu May-17-01 11:42 AM

  
11. "RE: you got it all wrong,"
In response to Reply # 7


          

i'm glad i reminded you.since your calling HIM out,why don't you go to q & a class in georgia so he can dismantle you personally?i'm sure he can answer any question you can think of,if your really looking for answers.

  

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abduhu
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Thu May-17-01 11:36 AM

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10. "Man-e-Faces W/ THE LINK"
In response to Reply # 1


          

MY BAD. http://www2.gsu.edu/~phpgls/mzy.htm
I posted it again, but i guess it didnt go through.

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 04:00 AM

  
60. "RE: Man-e-Faces"
In response to Reply # 1


          

you STILL haven't come up with anything conclusive my man.whats the deal?where are your articles,or other hadiths(tales of MEN)about the man?guess what?your arms didn't grow any,their still to short......

  

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BooDaah
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Thu May-17-01 11:08 AM

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2. "d ome a favor"
In response to Reply # 0


          

>if Allah wills, i plan to
>present several articles and links

do it all in one post

('i'm sure you were planninng to do this already, but for pre-emptive sake, i had to say it)

moderatorboy

  

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abduhu
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Thu May-17-01 11:10 AM

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3. "and you know thaaaat."
In response to Reply # 2


          

will do, roger.
out.

btw, whats your take on malachi?
or ya gon stay neutral?

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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BooDaah
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Thu May-17-01 11:17 AM

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6. "beneath my radar"
In response to Reply # 3


          

i'm more worried about the LESS THAN OBVIOUS charlatans

if you're simple enough to get fooled by a clown, you deserve what u get

  

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abduhu
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Thu May-17-01 11:32 AM

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9. "this is that one."
In response to Reply # 6


          

>i'm more worried about the LESS
>THAN OBVIOUS charlatans

he is less than obvious, to the UNSUSPECTING. thats why im doing what im doing. there was a okayplayerette who was about to tear the okayactivist club UP, when she read what somebody posted about him bout a month ago.
why?
she was UNSUSPECTING.
however, after she read a couple of posts, she became SUSPECTING, and said she would look into it further on her own.

>if you're simple enough to get
>fooled by a clown, you
>deserve what u get
i agree.
but at the same time, its really not about being simple, its about identity.
the identity that WE want so bad, that we'll do anything to get it. even down to saying.....im an egyptian indian.
all about identification.
they took it away, and we aint seen it since.
execpt those of us who were willing to look for it.
and a lot of us are those who chose to look for it, but we might know those that didnt not.
and therefore we can pass on the info, right?

we GOT to draw the line somewhere, and seeing ppl being HORNSWAGGLED w/ ALL THE INFO and FACTS, is where im drawing the line.


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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BooDaah
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Thu May-17-01 11:45 AM

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13. "i'll concur"
In response to Reply # 9


          

as i don't know about this particular individual, i'll refrain from commentary (i only used the charlatan comment previously in a general sense)

that said, your point regarding following a charlatan is true. my glibness was too quick

my main point is that, folk will believe what they want. if i have information to share, i cannot forcefeed it into manifestation.

share, and let the audience do with it what they will.

this is why i (try to) avoid these "religion" discussions because ultimately it boils down to that same old "who you gonna believe" question

but at the same time, it IS my responsibility to share what i know

  

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KAS19

Thu May-17-01 11:46 AM

  
14. "RE: this is that one."
In response to Reply # 9


          

can you prove that we as so-called afro-americans are not descendants of native americans and egiptians?what ARE you actually proving?

  

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abduhu
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Fri May-18-01 09:38 AM

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41. "can we say "kunta kente"?"
In response to Reply # 14


          

>can you prove that we as
>so-called afro-americans are not descendants
>of native americans and egiptians?what
>ARE you actually proving?

alex haley did, why cant i?
its not impossible.
in fact, im working on it now.

who do you trace your lineage to?

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

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http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/022701/new_0227010901.shtml

Nuwaubians' notoriety in Georgia growing

By Vicky Eckenrode
Morris News Service


They say they're a social group that promotes brotherhood and claim to be descendants of Egyptians and American Indians.
They also say their leader, Malachi Z. York, is from another place, the planet Rizq in the galaxy Illyuwn.
They are the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, and they made their grand entrance to Augusta on Saturday. The group has had an often-controversial presence in Georgia -- one that members say is growing quickly.
The group defines itself as a ''fraternal organization,'' but the Egyptian-centric sect has alluded to various religions, including Islam, Christianity and Judaism.
''I would put emphasis that it is a fraternal group -- no different than the Masons or other groups,'' said Renee McDade, the group's national spokeswoman, who was in Augusta on Saturday.
The members are wary of the media and say they've been portrayed unfairly. Ms. McDade was the only member who would grant an interview, but she refused to answer questions on the controversies surrounding the Nuwaubians.
Since moving to Georgia less than 10 years ago, the group's notoriety around the state has grown.
A large part of that visibility has come from news reports about some group members' belief that a spaceship will descend in 2003 to claim 144,000 people for a rebirth.
Sometimes called the Yamassee Native American Nuwaubians, the group also claims to be descendants of a tribe of American Indians originally from Georgia, which is why they established a community near Eatonton in Putnam County.
Recently, the group moved its headquarters out of Putnam, which is about 90 miles west of Augusta. The members often butted heads with Putnam officials and received national attention for their elaborate village of Egyptian structures.
Dwight York, also known as Dr. Malachi Z. York -- ''the Master Teacher '' -- now lives in Athens. He also has gone by the names ''Chief Black Eagle,'' ''Imperial Grand Potentate,'' and ''33 degree Deputy Grand Master of the State of Georgia.''
In March, he purchased a $285,000 building in Athens for the headquarters of the Ancient Egiptian Order -- one of the many organizations and names connected to the mysterious group.
The ''Egiptian Church of Karast'' emerged in association with the group in Athens, where, according to one of the group's newsletters, Mr. York is the church's pastor.
It is uncertain how many members of the group are in Georgia, although a few thousand showed up in Athens for a recent social event.
Bookstores that carry the group's literature, usually called Holy Tabernacle Ministries -- another organization associated with the group -- pepper the Southeast.
Saturday's procession was the first time the group had held its own parade.
Last year, members participated in the city's Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade, when Alexander Smith, then president of the Augusta NAACP, and Mr. York appeared in a full Egyptian headdress.
Augusta Mayor Bob Young said he has had limited interaction with local Nuwaubians. ''The Nuwaubian people -- whoever they are -- they contacted us, they made arrangements to have a parade in Augusta, and then they asked for a proclamation to recognize their parade,'' he said.
That proclamation was not written nor seen by Mr. Young before being released. It asserts statements such as ''the Nuwbuns were the dark, brown to black skin wooly hair original Eygyptians'' and ''the Black race's greatness has been accepted in America and many books as people of Timbuktu Africa or the Olmecians from Uganda, Africa, who migrated and walked here to North and South America to set up colonies way before the continental drift.''
Mayor Young said it is not unusual for groups to write their own proclamation.
''Typically, the organization or individual that's asking for the proclamation will write up the information, and then what my staff does is put it into the proper format,'' he said.
Brooklyn to Georgia
The group began in Brooklyn, N.Y., during the 1960s, when Mr. York founded the Islamic-influenced group Ansaar Pure Sufi and the Ansaaru Allah Community.
During that time, Mr. York spent three years in a New York prison for assault, resisting arrest and possession of a dangerous weapon, according to a June 1999 article in The New York Times.
The group emerged with a distinct Egyptian tone as the Ancient Mystical Order of Melchizedek -- shortly before moving to Georgia in 1993.
Mr. York purchased 473 acres of land in Putnam County for about $1 million to build an Egyptian-style complex. The group calls it ''Tama-Re'' or the ''Egypt of the West.''
The village, which has housed between 100 and 400 people at a time, contains pyramids, a Sphinx and Egyptian statues that the group built. They had plans to build a health-food store, a recording studio, a taxicab company and a social club inside the village, but that created problems with local officials, who said the land's residential and agricultural zoning did not allow for those types of businesses.
In 1998, the county padlocked several buildings in the village because the group didn't have the correct building permits. During the next two years, the small town of Eatonton was the site of numerous Nuwaubian demonstrations protesting what they called racist treatment. Lawsuits were filed from both sides.
''It's just so ridiculous,'' said Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills, who was often at the center of the battle between the Nuwaubians and county officials.
At times, Sheriff Sills said, just delivering a court order to the village resulted in confrontations with armed guards.
''It was just bizarre. The sheriff doesn't normally get involved with building permits,'' he said.
While members deny comparisons to other fringe groups, Sheriff Sills said, ''I would describe it as a cult -- it fits anyone's definition.''
Others say the Nuwaubians have encountered biased and unfair reactions for their alternative views.
''Oftentimes out of ignorance, false images are developed in the mind of folks. That leads sometimes to confrontations, and a community can become divided,'' said Rep. Tyrone Brooks, D-Atlanta, president of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials. Mr. Brooks went to Putnam County in an attempt to mediate the dispute between the Nuwaubians and officials.
The tension never spilled over into violence, and the group eventually worked out its permit issues with the county government.
The padlocks have come off all of the village's buildings, with the exception of the social club.
Since Mr. York and many members of the group moved to Athens, the activity around the Eatonton complex has died down.
''It's been extremely quiet in terms of any incidents,'' Sheriff Sills said.
The only problem the group has had with Athens officials has been over the expansion of their one-story building next to a historic neighborhood.
Athens officials have said they have no problem accepting the group into the community.
What kind of relationship Augusta forms with the Nuwaubians remains to be seen, observers say.
''I truly think that everything they did (here) was to generate publicity. I would imagine that's the next thing to happen in Augusta or Athens or wherever,'' Sheriff Sills said.
Others who have known the Nuwaubians say the group just takes some getting used to. ''The Nuwaubians are no different than any other group,'' Mr. Brooks said. ''They simply are new to this region.''

This article published in the Athens Daily News on Tuesday, February 27, 2001.



Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Thu May-17-01 11:27 AM

  
8. "RE: Moved to Athens, now."
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aw come on!i know you can do better than that!where is your proof that he is a fake?can you refute the info that he brings to the table?have you even read any of the 300-400 books that he's authored?or do you believe everything the media spits out.if that's the case,we can talk about muslims bombing shit all day,killing children and ish in the name of a spook!

  

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12. "reread........."
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the thread starting post, brah. first two lines.
i dont recall saying that I WOULD TRY to prove him a fake.
i just said "i plan to present several articles and links about one of the african americans most illustrious, saavy, and slick con men".
not that i wont, i just didnt say i would.

besides, there is nothing to TRY to prove.........
he IS A FAKE.

DEATH TO THE FAKERS-big rube

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Righteous

Thu May-17-01 11:47 AM

  
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you can say he 'IS A FAKE' all day long. but if you don't come with any facts to support you conclusion, it just sounds like you're talkin' ish...


  

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KAS19

Thu May-17-01 11:52 AM

  
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i think your dizzy for circling the ka'aba(which you got from the egiptians).claiming to disprove,but really ain't sayin nothin.can i ask you a question,if you follow the milla ibrahim,why aren't you hebrew?or an idol worshipper like abraham?

  

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cphoniks

Thu May-17-01 12:32 PM

  
17. "DROP -ing science for reals"
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No disrespect to whatever y'all beliefs are, cuz I dont like people who try to impose their beliefs on me. I think people should be more accepting in the first place. But Malachi is kinda suspect to me. A lot of the things he says and what he teaches are on point but I dont know bout the alien part...maybe it could happen. Its also kinda funny how he has been basically every great religious teacher in existence, from Jesus to Mohammed. This cat calls himself the''33 degree Deputy Grand Master of the State of Georgia.'' I dont know if y'all know but i wouldnt want to be associated with any masonic order. Thats really some New World Order/Illuminati type mess. Thats jus madd suspect to me...if knows as much as he does, why would he want to be called that. On the real I'd rather be 360 anyway

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KAS19

Thu May-17-01 01:11 PM

  
18. "RE: DROP -ing science for reals"
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it's alright to be suspicious,but read for yourself.don't believe anyone.check shit out for yourself......

  

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19. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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HE'S ALSO A FREEMASON....... JUST THOUGHT I'D SAY-A-LITTLE-SOMETHING .....

"Niggas mad cause Ibrags about the cash I got, but I'm used to not havin alot, I'm from the gutter and ohh..."-Jay-Z

"Expensive shoes worn, Loui Viton see-through gone, CoChes, my face is like a coupon..."Jay-Z

  

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IllipticallyDefined

Thu May-17-01 07:04 PM

  
20. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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I've been reading a lil on this man mr. york... allot of his stuff is very convincing, except i've seen flaws pointed out by people tyring to disprove... do any of yall know anything about david icke? http://www.davidicke.com tell me what yall think and the theories on niburu, shits scary, assimilation to god, the washing of your memory and this is all done by an evil alian race called "reptillians" go check that site, malachi is kinda on the same page as this dude... but don't get to caught up in this shit...

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 05:57 AM

  
28. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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why not?if you do a little research,you'll see that he's not dropping anything new.his job is to reform.so he's working with information that's already here.why is that the native americans as well as "african"tribes that spawned civilization all speak of the same angelic beings that he discusses?

  

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103. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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>why not?if you do a little
>research,you'll see that he's not
>dropping anything new.his job is
>to reform.so he's working with
>information that's already here.why
>is that the native americans
>as well as "african"tribes that
>spawned civilization all speak of
>the same angelic beings that
>he discusses?


Can you explain this please ?


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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenship
into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 11:11 AM

  
110. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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the native americans call them "katchina men",christians call them angels,muslims call them malaaikat.all these words refer to groups of beings.but as far as your big 3 go(islam,judaism,and christianity)they pattern there beings after the anunnaqi of the sumerians.the whole creation story as well is stolen from them.even the word eloh(hebrew for supreme being) comes from the sumerian word elul.they all tie in together.

  

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21. "Quotes from Scroll #51"
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title: Batpism Ceremony Scroll #51-For Holy Tabernacle Members Only

note: i guess the individual who gave my wife this book (more like a pamplet), as she was walking downtown, didnt know she WASNT a MEMBER, or maybe he just ran out of his usual material, and didnt want to miss the chance to expose my wife to the "right knowledge" of "the lamb" himself-malachi z. york.
who knows.

this section is entitled: About Your Doctorate's Degree

If you are a card-holding member of the holy tabernacle ministries, you should know the answers to the following questions:

1) when asked "what are you a doctor of?" your answer should be, "i am a doctor of theology, history and comparative religious studies, as well as semitic languages". but what you really are is a doctor to cure the untruths with pure facts.

2) when asked "where did you study?" your answer should be "i first studied islamic studies at the ansaarullah university in new york, as well as studying judaic torah, and jewish laws under the nubian islaamic hebrews. i also did a thorugh study on the life and times of jesus, fact and fiction, under the teachings of the holy tabernacle ministries' administration, as well as ancient egyptian and sumerian history, which i am presently studying."

3)when asked "how long did you study?" the answer applies according to enrollment of all above mentioned communities.

you, as a representative of the holy tabernacle ministries, must learn: to conduct yourself in a respectful manner, dress neatly at all times, and be ready to display the symbols of the holy tabernacle ministries and defend its teachings with the facts.

end of quote


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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22. "page 115 of Scroll#51"
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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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23. "page 115 of Scroll#51"
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sorry, hit the return.

begin quote

he has touched many hearts and has changed many lives for the better. he has given you a better overstanding since 1970 a.d., and for those who ask, and want to do something form. "how can i..."


Support The LAMB (in big, bold letters)
in His Retirement (in smaller, but bold letters)

send free will offerings of checks or money orders to:

dr. malachi z. york
p.o. box 4490
eatonton, ga. 31024

end quote

note: the published date for this book was 1994.
its 2001 now, and z. hasnt retired yet.


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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24. "pg. 11,12,13 of scroll #51"
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note: all words capitalized are either:
1.in bold text, or
2.capitalized text itself

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pg.11
ques: what is belief?

ans: "BELIEF" is accepting things without knowing and "K-N-O-W" are the first four letters of "KNOW-LEDGE". what happens is, if you feed people misinformation, which is WRONG KNOWLEDGE, they become ignorant and inherit the title "BELIEVERS" (be-lie-eve), which is to "lie to eve's children". anyone can be a

pg.12
believer or can believe in anything, but to be faithful you must be loyal, and loyalty is shown by way of actons, then when you experience EL ELOH, ALLAH, or THEHOS you outgrow faith and return to beings called ELOHEEM ANUNNAQI. first you must KNOW divine truth, and then divine reality. it's when you ignore the facts that you breed belief (lies) and ignorance, which is what spreads the "SPELL OF SLEEP" also called the "SPELL OF LEVIATHAN" or the "SPELL OF KINGU OF TIAMAT" that was cast by ZUEN, who is also called ZU, ANZU, KATO, THE DEVIL, SHAKHAR, TARNUSH, SHAYTAN, IBLIYS, BELUS, NULUSH, ADAD or HADAD meaning "LORD", which is from the babylonian word "BAAL", AND HA SATAN the father of HAYLAL . the spell was cast for ENQI, also called NUDIMMUD and EA, on the seed of SETH, the seed of ENQI and the seed of ENLIL, also called NUNAMNIR. (REFER TO "BREAKING THE SPELL", SCROLL #42, THE HOLY TABLETS, AND "THE TRUE STORY OF GENESIS")

ENQI son of ANU, also called ALLAH, AN, EL, and EL ELOH, was the master of hte earth and founder of the LAND OF NUD OR NOD (GENESIS 4:16), which was an abominable nudist camp at the tigris euphrates rivers,

pg. 13
called today, the persian gulf. it was the location of the first recreation park, where all types of beasts of the field came from all over the planet.

end quote


There is the type of man whose speech about this world's life May dazzle thee, and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet is he the most contentious of enemies.

“ ‘And istafziz those whom you can with your voice, make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children, and make promises to them.’ But Shaytaan promises them nothing but deceit”

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allaah, without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah, the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).”


subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Fri May-18-01 05:01 AM

  
25. "Dr. York the Space Cadet"
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What kind of person of knowledge writes 300-400 "scrolls" or pocket books, not ONE containing a bibliography of any sort, and then tells people to "Don't believe me, Check it out." How do I check out your "right knowledge" when you can't even give me one source of it? How do I "check out" your claim that you're from another galaxy? Dr. York's thing is dying down slowly but surely. To my knowledge most people with him are older.. people that weren't wise enough to drop out before Ansaaru Allah ended. I have a friend who was in Ansaaru Allah and is now a Muslim, alhamdulillah, and he harbors a lot of anger towards Dr. York for the simple fact that he thought what he was following at the time was Islam when in reality it was Dr. York taking advantage of young black kids who were seeking for the truth and wasting their time.

I suggest you read "The Ansar Cult in America" by Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips. You can purchase it for 6.25 at http://www.halalco.com/otherideol.html

  

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IllipticallyDefined

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aight there were like a thousand books, which ones have to do w/ this topic? and are you going to disagree that moses stole many ideologies of egyptians as well as many christians and muslims who have burned kemetic religious texts from egypt for the progression of their religions?

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 05:53 AM

  
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so how is it that the thousands of people around the world have no problem researching the info?if you read closely you'll see that there are biblical as well as koraanic quotes that can be referenced in any lexicon or religious literature.as far as the rest of the info goes,i guess a certain amount of background knowledge is necessary before you start reading.i don't know what your field of interests are,but if you are truly a seeker of knowledge,why must someone lead you directly to the water to drink?you have to ask yourself what are YOU doing wrong as far as your comparitive research.i see the facts from the scrolls(not all of them are pocket size,and if they were,does that mean that they contain any less truth?)manifesting almost daily.but i guess you need the white mans(tamhu)approval for it to be fact.nuh,please!!!

  

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Yusuf

Fri May-18-01 06:05 AM

  
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Where do I research that he is from a different galaxy?

  

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IllipticallyDefined

Fri May-18-01 06:07 AM

  
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yo kas,
Whats your take on the reptillian agenda?

http://www.davidicke.com

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 06:40 AM

  
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many tribes in northern and central africa(if i'm not mistaken, the dongolow is one in particular)that atribute their knowledge of science and astrology to a race of beings that they refer to as the nommos or nummos which translates to "ugly water beings".they have statues and ceremonies depicting humanoid/reptilian like beings that they say would come out of the water during the shadow hour(night time)and teach the tribesman the secrets of the universe.one of the tribes was credited with charting the movement of sirius a and b well before western thinkers new of their existence.and they would do so with the naked eye.they also charted many constellations and gave proof to the fact this knowledge was already ANCIENT.even in the bible,why is evil synonymous with the reptile?why not a dog or cat.the reptilians are present in the mayan culture as well.only religion tries to hide the fact that there are many species above and below the sun.....

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 06:51 AM

  
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well if you read the scrolls,he also refers to the galaxy of illyuwn(which rizq is in) as the 19th galaxy.any one who knows anything about astronomy knows that it was within recent years that the media started to refer to our galaxy as the 18th galaxy.i first heard dr.york talk about the 19th galaxy in 96.i heard the media refer to ours for the first time as the 18th in late 98.but as i began my research through the older scrolls,i found that he was talking about this as far back as the mid to late 80's.this may not be important to some,but to me it is just another truth that he has uncovered that many would like to ignore.as far as rizq goes,can anyone prove it doesn't exist?ha,ha!!!

  

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34. "RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet"
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>as far as rizq goes,can anyone
>prove it doesn't exist?ha,ha!!!

I hope this isn't the logic you use to support all your claims, or worse yet, the logic you use to decide what is the truth and what isn't.

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 07:24 AM

  
35. "RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet"
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first of all it was a joke.would you like me to say i've been to rizq?and that i go there on my lunch hour?no, i don't think so.i'm not going to say that i know for sure it exists.but if the galaxy it resides in exists(and we know that for a fact)why can't this planet exist?new planets 10 and 20 times the size and mass of earth are found everyday.just because it maynot be suitable for life as we know it doesn't mean that life can't exist in some other form.think about it.......

  

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40. "check your inbox, yusuf."
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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

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Fri May-18-01 06:17 AM

  
31. "RE: Dr. York the Space Cadet"
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This is from factology.com

Sacrificial Pilgrims

Muhammadan idol worshippers are sacrificing poor, sincere souls to your God who asked for blood of animals, but now he wants human blood. Each year many Muslims die on pilgrimage. This is the only explanation and reason all this death is occurring every other year.

Factology.com addendum -- Thirty-five Muslim pilgrims were killed in a stampede at the annual haj pilgrimage (March 5, 2001) in Saudi Arabia. 23 women and 12 men of various nationalities were crushed to death in the stampede during the devil-stoning ritual at Jamarat, near the Muslim holy city of Mecca.

Source:  The Body Parts of God

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Okay, so only 35 people died last Hajj. That is "many" Muslims as Dr. York has said? Eh.. no. Also, The "only explanation and reason all this death is occurring every other year" isn't because Muslims are savage people like he implies, it is because anytime you get about 2.5 Million people doing the same thing at the same place at the same time, there are bound to be some casualties.

This is Right Knowledge? Seems like stupidity to me. And why does he say Muhammadan idol worshipers? How come Dr. York used to promote the Hajj but now he doesn't? All of the sudden he is speaking a different message. This is hypocrisy.

Dr. York once claimed that his father was the leader of the Ansars in Sudan. This is false. He has also claimed to be related to Ben York, who guided Lewis and Clark, which is also a lie. How could he possibly be related to both, even if it was the truth? This is foolishness and childish.

I can go on and on about his hypocrisy because I have actually looked into his teachings (though he changes it up every other year) and still own some of the "scrolls," so don't make any assumptions. Also, the bibliography is the etiquette of scholarly writing that you show your sources so that it is easier for someone to research them. Why make it difficult to research them? Shouldn't he be making it as easy as possible for people to understand what he is saying? Isn't the purpose of writing and teaching to teach people instead of leave them in a cloud of mystery?

  

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48. "First time..."
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...you made a good point.

"What kind of person of knowledge writes 300-400 "scrolls" or pocket books, not ONE containing a bibliography of any sort, "

Good job. Keep it up...

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"We are not the victims! We are just fighting forces that we cannot see!"-2001 Sankofa Conference

"You don't have the RIGHT to have free time from your children."-Kwame Agyei Akoto

"It is the worst feeling to hear the call of the drum and not be able to respond."-Solarus

On understanding Afrakan thought:
"it's like explaining astrophysics to a whino, the explanation can't be done like that. when people try to simplify it, they ask the other person to tailor the answers their cultural context. and trying to cater afrikan ideals to european understanding is a REAL sin."-utamaroho

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 03:52 AM

  
58. "RE: First time..."
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first of all not all of the scrolls are pocket size.secondly,there are bibliographies in the scrolls and if you don't see one he ALWAYS will give you the name of the specfic book and author if he has used a quote or it is suggested reading on a particular subject.the problem is that most people don't READ the scrolls all the way through.or they read one,see a typo or something and dismiss everything.it's aiight though.....

  

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68. "I have personally have read"
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through several scrolls and the ones I have read through he rarely (I can't remember once) gives a detailed bibliography at the end although he does mention from time to time the author and book's name from certain references (usually specific quotes) that he makes.

In his credit though, he ALWAYS gives the specific verse of any "holy" scripture he quotes in the popularly accepted translation and his own translation.

PEace
Solarus

***Words of Wisdom***

"If it's not about NATIONBUILDING, it's not about ANYTHING."- Dr. John Henrik Clarke

"We are not the victims! We are just fighting forces that we cannot see!"-2001 Sankofa Conference

"You don't have the RIGHT to have free time from your children."-Kwame Agyei Akoto

"It is the worst feeling to hear the call of the drum and not be able to respond."-Solarus

On understanding Afrakan thought:
"it's like explaining astrophysics to a whino, the explanation can't be done like that. when people try to simplify it, they ask the other person to tailor the answers their cultural context. and trying to cater afrikan ideals to european understanding is a REAL sin."-utamaroho

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Fri May-18-01 08:53 AM

  
36. "this should be interesting."
In response to Reply # 0


          

I'm not in favor of dr. York, but I'm not neccessarily so against him.
I've seen a few websites that "debunk" him.
I think that Dr. York invites this kind of debacle because he loves the intenion (plus I think he gets high off it).
All I'm here to say is that, just prove your "facts", but don't try to "convert" people or "de-program" them.
I haven't read every single book that York put out, but I've read a fair share, and I'm pretty much up on what is going on with York.
Some people refute it, some accept it, some "know" it.




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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 09:18 AM

  
37. "RE: this should be interesting."
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i agree.i'm not here to make anyone convert to anything.all i try to do is clarify misconceptions about the doctrine.people let their personal opinions get involved when it shouldn't.i'm not even here to defend york.i acknowledge him as my spiritual guide,and master teacher.say what you will......

  

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39. "and i quote.........."
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>i agree.i'm not here to make
>anyone convert to anything.all i
>try to do is clarify
>misconceptions about the doctrine.people let
>their personal opinions get involved
>when it shouldn't.i'm not even
>here to defend york.i acknowledge
>him as my spiritual guide,and
>master teacher.say what you will......
>


..........from scroll #51, post #21:
..............and DEFEND its (holy tabernacle ministries) teachings with the facts.

emphasis and parentheses added.

end quote

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 10:11 AM

  
43. "RE: and i quote.........."
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glad to see your reading something that isn't muslim propoganda.next post please.....

  

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38. "ATTN ALL"
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>I'm not in favor of dr.
>York, but I'm not neccessarily
>so against him.
>I've seen a few websites that
>"debunk" him.
>I think that Dr. York invites
>this kind of debacle because
>he loves the intenion (plus
>I think he gets high
>off it).
>All I'm here to say is
>that, just prove your "facts",
>but don't try to "convert"
>people or "de-program" them.

i guess in a sense i am trying to "convert" ppl. but not to islam.
to nonignorance.

and just so you know too, i am not trying to prove or disprove anything (see the first two lines in the original post), im just posting "his words" and the words of journalists and ppl, who may or maynot be biased. that part is not my concern.
my only concern is to present the picture. the reader determines what this picture looks like. not enough ppl know what the picture looks like.

there is now way that i could prove to anybody over the internet, that what im typing w/ my own hands is STRAIGHT OUT OF HIS BOOKS. maybe if i had a website, i could scan the pages and present them, but thats going too far.
besides, if i said something that he didnt say, and attributed it to a scroll that an okaplayer has, they would call me out on it, and i would be branded as a liar.
im a muslim and it is forbidden for me to lie, and the only benefit i could derive from telling a lie, is none.
im not trying to discredit him, im letting him discredit himself.
ppl want me to prove this and that, but are willing to accept what he says. why? because it sounds good? well im not into sounds, im into looks. and what he presents doenst look good to me AT ALL.
YOU CAN ACCEPT WHAT HE SAYS, OR NOT, OR CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF, MAYBE.

so once again, i reiterate: im posting information-namely, WORDS FROM HIS OWN MOUTH. dont wanna prove it, disprove it, nothing.
i just wanna let the partyppl know.

when and if i decide to comment on what im posting, yall will see it.
until then,...cheerio.

coming soon (as soon as i can get the book back) Quotes from "THE ANSAR CULT" by bilal philips. this book is basically an expose, if you will, of malachi's late 70 and 80's group, ANSAARULLAH, a group of so-called "muslims" that thrived in brooklyn, new york. it presents a clear picture of their ideologies, in light of their "islamic" belief. the author uses malachi's own books, speeches, words, etc., to expose his false "islamic" belief. also, he uses ex-members to describe, in DETAIL, the basic fundamentals of the ANSAARULLAH, and the ways of malachi z. york.

p.s.- when i drop quotes from the book about "the green room", i will have said enough. no! too much.

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 10:09 AM

  
42. "RE: ATTN ALL"
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i can't wait until you start posting excerpts from the ansaar cult book written by bilal phillips(all-star house nigga).why don't you post "rebuttal to the slanderers,360 questions to ask a sunni muslim"?this book answers ALL the misconceptions and half-truths written by that pawn of the pale arabs.ya see,you can't box with god.that book came out over 10 years ago.what ever happened to bilal phillips?why didn't he continue his assault on york after he published his "rebuttal" book?the answer is he COULDN'T.he also managed to DISMANTLE the religion of sunni islam in that book also,with 360 questions.who said that the black man isn't god?

  

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45. "RE: ATTN ALL"
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once bilal wrote the book and exposed ansaarullah, malachi took a new route in his teaching, no longer professing to be a muslim.
so that was the end of bilal's work for the defense of islam.
i guess he felt it not necessary anymore to pursue, after malachi's de-shahadatization by his own self.

and i cant post them b/c i dont have them. if you got them, post them. dont be stingy with "right knowledge".

and i quote again: "you, as a representative of the holy tabernacle ministries, must learn: to conduct yourself in a respectful manner, dress neatly at all times, and be ready to display the symbols of the holy tabernacle ministries and defend its teachings with the facts."

youre not being respectful kas19. but you are most certainly defending. props to you and yours.


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Fri May-18-01 10:48 AM

  
46. "RE: ATTN ALL"
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thank you,but when as sayyid isa al haadi al maahdi took us through the school of islam,we never professed to be muslims in the sense that everyone else could relate to.since islam is based on the milla ibrahim(ways or rites of abrahmam-which included knowledge of lesser and higher mysteries since he was after the order of melchisedek)we stayed true to that.so in essence we were nubian(black-skinned,or inclined to black)islamic HEBREWS.that's the problem.people profess to be muslims but don't adhere to the torah because of ignorance and egoism.the funny thing is that when we where ansaars,people never wanted to acknowledge us as muslims.as soon as we took of the kiymah's and jalibiyyas,people want to ask,"you ain't muslim no more?"his plan was greater than mere islam,judaism,and christianity.those are schools for us.some were able to move along with him,others got left behind.as for bilal,he didn't accomplish his mission because dr.york hasn't skipped a beat since .but bilal is nowhere to be found.wonder why.

  

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47. "he can be reached @................"
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..........we never professed to be
>muslims in the sense that
>everyone else could relate to..........so
>in essence we were nubian(black-skinned,or
>inclined to black)islamic HEBREWS.that's the
>problem..........the funny thing is that
>when we where ansaars,people never
>wanted to acknowledge us as
>muslims.as soon as we took
>of the kiymah's and jalibiyyas,people
>want to ask,"you ain't muslim
>no more?"

if you never professed to be muslims, and you went by the title of "nubian islamic hebrews", then how could you expect anything less than the refusal of others to acknowledge the group as muslims? but...............

you were not always in ansaarullah, since its conception, right?
if you were, and you REALLY COMPREHENDED EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON when he started ansaarullah, thwen youve got to be in your 30's or better, b/c as i stated already, z. really got it crunk in the late 70s to early 80s (not saying this is the peak period). so in order to have COMPREHENED what was going on, you would have had to be at least 15.

people profess to be muslims
>but don't adhere to the
>torah because of ignorance and
>egoism
for the muslim, there is no such adherence to the torah.
the adherence is to the qur'an. now, it is incumbent upon us to BELIEVE in the torah as it was revealed to mohse-moses-musa. but Allah tells us that some changed it with their own hands.
islam abrogates judaism and christianity as seen here in this authentic hadith:

Muhammad Ibn al-Alâ' told us that Ibn Numayr reported from Mujâlid from Ibn Aamir from Jâbir that Umar Ibn al-Khattâb brought a copy of the Torah to the Prophet (P) and said: "O Apostle of God, this is a copy of the Torah." But kept silent. Then Umar started reading and the face of the Prophet kept changing. So, Abu Bakr interrupted him violently: "Don't you see the face of the Prophet (P)?" Umar looked at the Prophet's face and said "May God preserve me from His anger and from the anger of his Apostle (P), we accepted God as Lord and Islâm as religion and Muhammad as prophet." Then the Prophet (Pbuh) said: "By the One Who owns Mohammed’s soul, if Moses (Pbuh) appeared to you and you followed him and left me, you would go astray from the right path and if he were alive and reached my Prophethood he would have followed me. "


but bilal is nowhere
>to be found.wonder why.

........http://www.bilalphilips.com/


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 03:44 AM

  
57. "RE: he can be reached @................"
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who are you to tell me what i can and cannot comprehend?trust me,islam isn't that complicated.these sunni pale arabs that distorted the original version made it complicated with their lies and hadiths.remember,i said we were not muslims in the sense that EVERYONE ELSE could relate to.that doesn't mean we didn't classify ourselves as muslims.and the fact that you arrogantly denounce the torah shows that you CAN'T be follwing the milla ibrahim.doesn't the koraan say "if you have a problem with this book,go to the books before it..."suwrah 1 6.what other books could he have been talking about? in arabia of muhammads time,you were either hebrew,or an idol worshipper(namely allat or uzza)or christian,so what books could he be referring to?

  

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44. "overstanding"
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yeah, dr. york had to "belong" to every religion with holy books and teach his "followers" every religion so when approached with questions on his right knowledge vs. islam, christianity, etc. he and his "followers" could/can refute the teachings of those religions. it's like you can't say islam is BS unless you have been a muslim, so...

i do find his teachings interesting as well as confusing. it is true you can not refute his "knowledge" because who the hell knows if there are aliens or not. i can say i'm an alien, who is to tell me i'm not? so how can one "know?" it seems everything has to be "belief" just because. he says he would have to be crazy to make up all the stuff he has written. exactly.

the most messed up thing, to me, about his teachings is the idea that we are gods because of who created us. i find the idea of being an "alien god" and "earth mammal" hybrid depressing. how can we ever reach a total enlightenment when we are constantly fighting our "instinct." we are some messed up beings...

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IllipticallyDefined

Fri May-18-01 05:23 PM

  
50. "RE: overstanding"
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ok i think okayplayer should have its own message board for this guy... but kas to give me a better overstanding, please tell me what it is exactly that neuwabiens know, what they pray to, where they say abrahamic religious followers go when they die, and where neuwabiens go when they die, and then you can possibly tell me a lil about niburu...

  

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 03:30 AM

  
56. "RE: overstanding"
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nibiru is the planet size craft that is refered to as "the mother plane"by memebers of the n.o.i,the crystal city by christians(according to the book of revelations)and darus salaam by sunni muslims.it really came from the sumerians who where one of the first civilizations to list ALL planets.nubiru means "planet of the crossing".all your major religions stole this concept of a "heavenly abode"from them.the scroll "man from planet rizq",and the holy tablets can explain it in more detail.as far as death goes,i don't know that any people from any different religions go anywhere different.some nuwaubians feel the need to pray,but it is not in the sense of how most religions do.we pray in order to reconnect with our ancestors and to help bring out the deity that is in us all.when we die,where could we possibly go?we exist within the all(everything),and all exists within us.you can't add to it our take away from it.so when you die,your still here,just not in a fleshly form.religion has us believing in hell and heaven,but no one nows where it is.

  

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revelations

Tue May-22-01 09:13 AM

  
77. "RE: overstanding"
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>nibiru is the planet size craft
>that is refered to as
>"the mother plane"by memebers of
>the n.o.i,the crystal city by
>christians(according to the book of
>revelations)and darus salaam by sunni
>muslims.it really came from the
>sumerians who where one of
>the first civilizations to list
>ALL planets.nubiru means "planet of
>the crossing".all your major religions
>stole this concept of a
>"heavenly abode"from them.the scroll "man
>from planet rizq",and the holy
>tablets can explain it in
>more detail.as far as death
>goes,i don't know that any
>people from any different religions
>go anywhere different.some nuwaubians feel
>the need to pray,but it
>is not in the sense
>of how most religions do.we
>pray in order to reconnect
>with our ancestors and to
>help bring out the deity
>that is in us all.when
>we die,where could we possibly
>go?we exist within the all(everything),and
>all exists within us.you can't
>add to it our take
>away from it.so when you
>die,your still here,just not in
>a fleshly form.religion has us
>believing in hell and heaven,but
>no one nows where it
>is.

You know your s--t. I feel everything that you are saying. WORD!

  

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61. "CHECK OUT..."
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factology.com, an unofficial site of the "knowledge" of dr. york.

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53. "Elohim"
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I don't know a whole lot about Mr York but from the little bit I have read I know he does a pretty bad job with the word Elohim. Now I believe he translates this as sort of a plurality of gods.
But truthfully Elohim in the Hebrew noun is plural but in the verb it is singular. The reason why the use of the plural is there is rather to instensify rather than to show numbers. This is called a "plural of majesty". The same is true for Gen 1:26 the plural of majesty is there expressing God in his fullness. Then because of gramatics it says "Let us make man in OUR image.
This not saying there is more than one God nor is it explaning the trinity(there are plenty of other ways to do that) but because the plural form of Elohim was used the rest of the sentance must follow.
It seems as though the Dr tries to combine a lot of religous claims and make one of his own but there are just to many differences to do this.

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 03:15 AM

  
55. "RE: Elohim"
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if this is true,does the same follow for cherubim,serphardim,and the likes?please clarify.

  

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128. "No not at all"
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This majestic plural that is used is only a figure of speech. In this use(make sure you note the content of the passage),God is speaking to himself in such a manner as to indicate that all of His majestic power and wisdom were involved in the creation of man. The angels you refered to are just the names of a distint group.The plural nature in the Hebrew word is designed to give a fuller, more majestic sense of Gods name.

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En arche en 'o logos, kai 'o logos en pros ton Theon, kai Theos en logos

  

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Fri May-18-01 05:32 PM

  
51. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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and please before you answer those questions answer this one... somebody i know who used to go to Malachi's classes said he was possessed once by an evil spirit, i would like to know how true this story is, and if it is true how did he get rid of the spirit?

  

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 03:57 AM

  
59. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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i don't have the slightest idea of what your talking about.i wasn't there.have i ever seen neter:aaferti atum-re perform an exorcism,no.a lot of people say things that need to be taken with a grain of salt.i suggest you go to a new-comers class and ask them,even though i'm pretty sure they'll laugh it off.people make up alot of stories about the man because the can't refute his teachings.

  

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52. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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Isn't Pos from De La one of his faithfuls?

  

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KAS19

Mon May-21-01 03:14 AM

  
54. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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yes,i've seen him in tama-re back in '97.

  

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IllipticallyDefined

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62. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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ok kas...
help me out w/ this, malachi believes that the annunaki are helpers (good) or should i say agreeable creatures, other people seem to say other things such as demons, reptillians, check this site out and tell me what you think http://www.danwinter.com/pureprinciple/

  

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IllipticallyDefined

Mon May-21-01 07:34 PM

  
63. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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But you are asking, well we have a planet full of mystics, channelers, and psychics. And we have a planet full of fundamentalist bible thumpers pronoucing them all Anti-Christs. The same medium grade reptile Annunaki Enlil whom we call Jehovah GOD has a family shape which is winged Draco - our very personification of Devil. So what we really got is confusion, which is a perfect way to become a slave borg planet to manipulative lo grade ET's. This IS an "ENEMY MINE

this was taken from that page

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 04:15 AM

  
66. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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remember,when we talk about agreeable and disagreeable we must keep in mind that they are the same.by saying that i mean that if i were sitting at a round table debate with some sunni muslims(you KNOW it wouldn't happen because of their lack of facts)i would be considered disagreeable because i don't adhere to their doctrine(for lack of a better word).agreeable and disagreeable depends on the circumstances,and who chooses to decide which is one or the other.as far as enlil,he is disagreeable to those anunnaqi which he goes against.does that make him bad.not necessarily.we must remember also that we have to shake this concept of good and evil which is formed primarily by religion.once you overstand it,you realize that good and evil are illusions that keep us bound to this world of illusions,where nothing is what it seems to be.not even good or evil.

  

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130. "yeah, Pos is with york"
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my man hit me with a photo of Pos in a tux at a Dr. York-related function. awfully funny seeinf Pos in a tux.

Thoughtfully yours,

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The Rebels are coming...be aware...

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132. "Pos is WIDDACK!!!!!!!...................."
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if hes down w/ york.

listen out for pos rappin about or w/ "right knowledge"!!!! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :7

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Wed May-23-01 04:08 AM

  
138. "RE: Pos is WIDDACK!!!!!!!...................."
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call him what you want.it all goes to show that you STILL haven't proven anything.

  

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64. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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>if Allah wills, i plan to
>present several articles and links
>about one of the african
>americans most illustrious, saavy, and
>slick con men: malachi z.
>york, since........you pick a time.
>
>
>this man has gone from being
>a muslim, to a reverend,
>to an egyptian-indian, and who
>knows what else.
>
>i feel as an activist for
>truth, that the truth must
>be put out there for
>the unaware. esp., in light
>of what he has done
>to the african american ppls.
>
>
>feel free to support, play down,
>attack, crack jokes, etc.
>
>this IS activism.
>
>Allah says in the 2nd surah,
>Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give
>glad tidings to those who
>believe and work righteousness, that
>their portion is Gardens, beneath
>which rivers flow. Every time
>they are fed with fruits
>therefrom, they say: "Why, this
>is what we were fed
>with before," for they are
>given things in similitude; and
>they have therein companions pure
>(and holy); and they abide
>therein (for ever).
>
>subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa
>anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika
>



You shall be defeated...Don't try to attack his activities...attack his information. From your comments, I can tell that your coming from some Islam crap!! Doc is all about evolution, constant growth and change. The is the only thing that is constant.....CHANGE!!!


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75. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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shall be defeated...Don't try to
>attack his activities...attack his information.
perhaps like bill clinton, huh? dont worry about who was under the table, or what was going on. just focus on the fact that he has done sooo much for this country and that up until then, he was considered a good husband.
or maybe jesse jackson, huh? dont worry about what he did while he was counciling bill, just focus on the fact that he is soo spiritual and he did soo much for the civil rights struggle of african americans in america.
HELL NO!!!, I WONT DISREGARD HIS ACTIONS !!! IDEALS AND WORDS THAT ONE ESPOUSES AND BRINGS TO THE TABLE SHOULD BE REINFORCED BY THAT INDIVIDUALS ACTION(S). OTHERWISE, HE IS A DAMN HYPOCRITE!!!!!

>From your comments, I can
>tell that your coming from
>some Islam crap!!
sorry. not at all. i did say:
>>if Allah wills, i plan to
>>present several articles and links.
and thats all i said.

Doc is
>all about evolution, constant growth
>and change. The is the
>only thing that is constant.....CHANGE!!!
he evolved alright. FROM al hajj al imam isa bin maryam,into "the man from planet rizq"(whereever that is), into CHEIF BLACK EAGLE. and im sure hes not through yet.

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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76. "WHAT?????????"
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"HELL NO!!!, I WONT DISREGARD HIS ACTIONS !!! IDEALS AND WORDS THAT ONE ESPOUSES AND BRINGS TO THE TABLE SHOULD BE REINFORCED BY THAT INDIVIDUALS ACTION(S). OTHERWISE, HE IS A DAMN HYPOCRITE!!!!!"

Didn't you say "judge muslims by islam, not islam by the muslims."

Equating this logic to the Nuwabian doctrine would mean that the Nuwaubian information is just as valid despite York's personal actions.

Just keeping you to YOUR word and on your toes. If I misunderstand somehow please explain.

PEace
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91. "RE: WHO?????????"
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man, you sharper than creases
maybe what i was trying to say didnt come out right.
but do you disagree w/ the below?

>"HELL NO!!!, I WONT DISREGARD HIS
>ACTIONS !!! IDEALS AND WORDS
>THAT ONE ESPOUSES AND BRINGS
>TO THE TABLE SHOULD BE
>REINFORCED BY THAT INDIVIDUALS ACTION(S).
>OTHERWISE, HE IS A DAMN
>HYPOCRITE!!!!!"
>
>Didn't you say "judge muslims by
>islam, not islam by the
>muslims."

yes i did. and i meant it.

>Equating this logic to the Nuwabian
>doctrine would mean that the
>Nuwaubian information is just as
>valid despite York's personal actions.

true. what i said does lend his information credibility. but this credibility eventually has to be given back to the one who gave it. IT WAS ONLY A LOAN.

BUT TO STICK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND,.......the foundation of the information is cracked (z. york). and i mean CRACKED!
SO HOW COULD IT BE TRUSTED? there is a real good example of this that im going to post when i get the "ansar cult" book back.
when z. used to be a "muslim", he used to allow anal sex. now, in islam it is forbidden. it is not forbidden in the qur'an w/ the words "anal sex is forbidden",etc.,, but actually it is. this is the act of the ppl of sodom, hence the word sodomy-in its original meaning. and the act of the ppl of sodom was most certainly FORBIDDEN. anyways, it is foerbidden in the hadith.
so what does z. do? he retranslates the hadith-in arabic-to english. and guess what? its not EVEN A TRANSLATION!!!! he juxtaposes and switches words from there original order, to something that doesnt make any sense. nevertheless, HIS TRANSLATION ALLOWED ANAL SEX.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID IS:
just b/c a pimp says he wont beat you, dont make it so. i imean really, HES A PIMP! SO HOW COULD YOU TRUST HIM?


>Just keeping you to YOUR word
>and on your toes.
>If I misunderstand somehow please
>explain.

prociate it.
>
>PEace
>Solarus
>From your personal R.O.K.S (resident okaystalker)<-seems
>like you got alot of
>'em these days.
>
who sez i was talkin about you? couldve been the one(s) youre referring to

i hope this cleared up everything.

and ALLAH IS THE SOURCE OF ALL STRENGTH.

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 10:25 AM

  
96. "RE: WHO?????????"
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show me where he threw words in.as far as anal sex goes,maybe thats why so many sunni women were attracted to ansaars back in brooklyn.ha,ha.i'm gonna have fun with this one.

  

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>show me where he threw words
>in.
be patient my child. help is on the way.

as far as anal sex
>goes,maybe thats why so many
>sunni women were attracted to
>ansaars back in brooklyn.
realistically, it probably was the outfits that yall rocked. you looked like the real thing, but you were a decoy.

ha,ha.i'm gonna
>have fun with this one.
at z. york's expense, of course.
and dont worry. EVERYONE WILL HAVE FUN WITH THIS, WHEN I POST IT!!!!I BUGGED OUT. DR. Z. YORK IS A ILLITERARY GENIUS!!!!!!!


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 11:16 AM

  
112. "RE: WHO?????????"
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if we were decoys,there is nothing to distract the masses now.we've left it alone.you can have it.there is nothing there for us but ignorance and bloodshed.

  

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Tue May-22-01 09:33 AM

  
79. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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all of this and you STILL HAVEN'T EVEN COME UP WITH ANTHING,EVEN FROM HIS PERSONAL LIFE!it's a damn shame.i want to know where is this information your supposed to be giving?it was the whole purpose of this post.where is it?it is beyond me how you could even compare him to billy clint.your REACHING my man.ya know why,BECAUSE YOUR ARMS ARE TO SHORT TO BOX WITH PAA NETERAAT(THE NETERU).

  

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65. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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All I want to know is WHY he would he have a son named "Yadullah"?

why? and then in another scroll try to liken a portion of the name to 666(authubillah).

would you name your child something that YOU thought had the most NEGATIVE of attribute? of course not.

his questions against Islam are simply taken from Christians who ask very ignorant questions about Islam. Those questions and more are PROOF that what he conjured up was definately NOT Islam. Who did he learn Islam from anyway? Why is it that he has accomplished nothing in 30yrs other than confuse and make his followers lazy. He TRIES to tell people to study for themselves yet they REJECT the challenge and rather sit on the pew and let the preacher tell them what they want to hear.

If you want to know about doctorin' you would learn from a doctor right? If you want to know about Islam, go to a muslim. Please go to the Imams and Amirs and Shaykhs and in a respectful way, ask away. Islamicfinder.com will find a masjid closest to you.

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 04:32 AM

  
67. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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first of all,just like other muslims,your speaking from an emotional standpoint.he can name his son whatever he wants.i suggest you read "let's set the record straight".in this scroll he details his early years in the state street mosque in brooklyn,n.y.,his certificates which show his memebership,and his years in egipt(where he studied and GRADUATED from the university of cairo,and thats not to mention he speaks over 19 diferent languages).ya see,if your going to say someone isn't fit to do something,you must FIRST prove that they are incompitent.you haven't done so.you muslims kill me.STILL,you guys keep coming with these emotions(energy in motion)and ego's(energy that must GO)BUT STILL NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL.please,stop attacking him personally.your failing miserably.stick to the scrolls,and maybe you'll have a chance.read the scroll,then post some questions,ma'am.as a matter of fact i have a question for you sudani.how old was aisha when muhammad slept with her?if you say she was anywhere from 8-12 years old,does that make it right in islam to sleep with a child?c'mon,let's get it crunk fo'sho!!!!!

  

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74. "why did he marry her?"
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>as a
>matter of fact i have
>a question for you sudani.how
>old was aisha when muhammad
>slept with her?if you say
>she was anywhere from 8-12
>years old,does that make it
>right in islam to sleep
>with a child?c'mon,let's get it
>crunk fo'sho!!!!!

im hope my sister wont mind if i partake in the answering of your question, even though this is not about muhammad (saws). that is what these boards are for. but anyway, here it is............
taken from:http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel6.htm

Why Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Married Young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.)?

Through the centuries, orientalists have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslims Ummah. Currently, one of the 'reinvented' accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa (r.a.).

Let's probe some of the orientalists' charges in detail in the light of modern research, historic evidence and the Islamic sources of the Qur'an and the Sunnah to separate truth from falsehood, and display to the world that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed an exemplary for all of mankind.

Two main theories are often advance by orientalists to attack the pure character of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on his marriage to Aisha (r.a.) at her young age.

A. He was a Paedophile.

B. He was involved in child abuse.

Let's analyse each theory to dig out the truth, through the Guidance of Allah (SWT).

A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a.) because he was a paedophile?
Definition of a Paedophile:
"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998.

"pe.do.phil.ia n (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

The diagnostic criteria for paedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.
The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them.
The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.

DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, rev ed. 3, (American Psychiatric Association).

"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).

Harold I. Kaplan et al., Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. (Williams and Wilkens, 1988), p. 360.

Does the prophet fit the above criteria of a paedophile?
With the above criteria of a paedophile in mind, lets analyse the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

His marriages:

Name of Bride
Bride's age at marriage
Comments

Khadija bint khawilad
40
Twice widowed before

Sauda Bint Zama
50
Widow

Aisha bint Abu Bakr
9
Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.

Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab
22
Widow

Zainab bint Khuzaima
30
?

Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia
26
Widow

Zainab Bint Jahash
38
Widow

Juwaeria Bint Harith
20
Widow

Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan
36
Widow

Marya Qibtiya bint Shamun
17
Virgin, Egyptian

Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab
17
Widow

Raihana bint umru bin hanafa
?
?

Maimuna bint harith
36
widow


Source: Syed Abu Zafar Zain, The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband (Lahore: Kazi Publications), pp. 10-12.

Statistics from the above table:
Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

Comments: The statistics show that the prophet's marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore "a paedophile's main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls", which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet's marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet's life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a paedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marya).

Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in Synopsis of Psychiatry, a vast majority of paedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behaviour (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad (Madras, 1932), p. 4.

B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age
Let scrutinise this allegation...

Definition of Child Abuse:
Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the wilful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behaviour are common following instances of child abuse or neglect. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998

Comments: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha (r.a.) or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences...delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behaviour...etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha (r.a.), her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet's marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labelled not as an abused child but as a 'blessed child'.

After analysing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:

C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity
Lets analyse...

1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).

b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.

c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith would have perished.

5. Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari once said:

"If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik, Hadith 2.75.

Arwa Bin Zubair says,

"I did not find anyone more proficient in the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha (r.a.) in resolving intricate issued".

Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Sa'ad, Jala-ul-Afham, vol. 2, p. 26.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari says:

"Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".

Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, p. 163.

6. As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aisha."

The Prophet said,

"The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari Hadith 4.643.

Musa Ibn Talha (r.a.) says,

"I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha (r.a.)"

Mustadrak of Hakim, vol.4, p.11.

7. Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha's great interest in the study of the Qur'an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort's) that the Prophet received Wahy (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

8. At the time of the Prophet's death, the Prophet's head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.


The life of Aisha (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today's youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her's live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise...Ameen.

Conclusion
It was the aforementioned qualities of Aisha (r.a.) and the Prophet's guidance in moulding these capabilities for the service of Islam, were the main reasons, why the Prophet Married young Aisha (r.a.), and not the perverted reasons brought forth by misguided orientalists.

Muslims invite all sincere humans to study the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon) in the light of the authentic sources of the Qur'an and the Sunnah (exemplary sayings and deeds of the Prophet) and judge for themselves where the truth lies. Indeed, by recognising the truth of Islam as the final and complete Guidance sent by our Creator can humanity find lasting peace in this world and a means of salvation from the hell fire in the hereafter.

"I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

George Bernard Shaw, The Genuine Islam, vol. 1, no. 81936.

Though, the Prophet is not among us in his flesh, but his exemplary life has been preserved for all humanity to follow.

When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear.

Welcome to Islam...

Sabeel Ahmed

29 April 1998.

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When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear.
When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear.
When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear.

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Tue May-22-01 09:27 AM

  
78. "RE: why did he marry her?"
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damn,all that and you STILL didn't answer the question.is it o.k. for muslims to marry and CONSUMATE a marriage to a women who hasn't even reached puberty?inquiring minds want to know.and i want to know what sudani thinks of it also.

  

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82. "what is puberty?"
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>damn,all that and you STILL didn't
>answer the question.is it o.k.
>for muslims to marry and
>CONSUMATE a marriage to a
>women who hasn't even reached
>puberty?

what is the definition of puberty? or what and who defines it?
yours?
the accepted norm?
the dictionary's?
what and which?
figure out what, which and whose definition is acceptable and applicable (here) and then we can get down to busy-ness.
>


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

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86. "in general"
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I'm sure KAS19 means that before puberty is before the "child-bearing ager" or before a girl has her menses

But I could be wrong.

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Tue May-22-01 09:54 AM

  
89. "RE: in general"
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thats exactly what i meant.

  

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Tue May-22-01 09:55 AM

  
90. "RE: what is puberty?"
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you know exactly what i mean.don't run.tske it.he married a CHILD.you know it and i know it.

  

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93. "ok. gotcha."
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yes he did marry her at a young age, but he did not consumate the marriage until she reached puberty.

anything wrong with that?
i didnt think so.
alot of ppl dont consumate their marriages right away for whatever reasons.
theirs are just as valid, if not even less so than muhammad's (saws).
if you have anything that says otherwise: he consumated the marriage the next day, when she was 8, etc.- then feel free to post it.

btw, puberty is not the same age for everyone. and even puberty in some places is brought on even earlier than in others.
when was the last time you saw a prepubesent girl that looked like she was grown?
as for me- just this morning!!!!

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

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Tue May-22-01 10:28 AM

  
97. "RE: ok. gotcha."
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so then why does most of the arab world accept the fact that she wasn't even 12 or 13 when it happened?

  

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105. "RE: ok. gotcha."
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>so then why does most of
>the arab world accept the
>fact that she wasn't even
>12 or 13 when it
>happened?

did you read what i said?
who says that the ages you put forth are the limit or even the exception for that matter?
it is only a belief (lie to eve' childre ha,ha) of yours and many others. but that dont make it so.
i had an old guiness book of world records that had a mother below the age of 10 (dont remember what age, but i remember it was below 10, and she was from austrailia.).


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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69. "What does he have against poor people?"
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I'm sorry, but this guy is such a joke. Anyone can see he's just a fraud trying to take people's money. But some ignorant people will eat it up.

Taken from factology.com:

"Illiteracy In Islam
If Muslims spent as much time teaching about the qualities of Muhammad and his life as they do trying to destroy the qualities of Jesus and his life, maybe Islam wound not attract the lower class poor people. It has many criminals that are prisoners and basic riff-raff; 90% of the Muslim world is illiterate.
Islam appeals to the uneducated or those who just want religion without investigating the facts. Maybe this is because Muslims boast of how Muhammad was unlearnt, and uneducated, as found in Koran 7:158..."

Islam attracts lower class poor people.
"without investigating the facts" - interesting, maybe he should take some of his own advice.

  

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81. "RE: What does he have against poor people?"
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first of all,how many muslims on this site can say that they lived in ANY islaamic country?how many muslims on this site can say that they speak FLUENT classical arabic,or the dialect that the koraan was revealed to muhammad in?in my opinion he can say those things.if you REAALY want to test him or any of his students why don't you go to question and answer class,and see if YOUR doctrine can stand to be questioned.i asked 1 question and it hasn't been answered yet.where are the critical questions that denote intellegence and intellect?whats with the personal shit!i mean,it doesnt hurt my feelings,i just want the other people on these boards to see how week your religion is.....

  

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70. "more fun from factology.com"
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"Let’s talk about a serious disease that’s affecting our youth and spreading all around the world. This disease is called “SLANG.” Why is it a disease? Because it destroys a certain part of the brain making you retarded."

Of course, why didn't I think of that?


"The usage of slang affects the Broca’s Area, this is where you learn to articulate and form phrases. It’s the portion of the brain that gives us overstanding of languages, with language expression being the function of motor control."

"You must overstand that any part of your body that is not being used; your brain will cut it off just like it never existed."

Oh really, I had no idea.


"Slang may have started out with unconventional words or phrases that express something old a new way. However, it has developed into a sick, malicious, vulgar language that might even shock the devil, and it’s spreading throughout the world. We must fight against this disease of slang: poor articulation, bad grammar, and inferiorism by correcting our children and ourselves when slang is used."


  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 09:49 AM

  
85. "RE: more fun from factology.com"
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and your point is........

  

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71. "This is too fun!"
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from factology.com

Missing Children
"Extraterrestrial beings do no like the effects of intoxicants, sugar, coffee, chocolate and prefer the pure essence without toxins. So those E.T.’s that eat people, really prefer children as opposed to adults. This should make you stop and think, where are all those “missing” children that appear on milk cartons?"
Source: Is God An Extraterrestrial?

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 09:47 AM

  
84. "RE: This is too fun!"
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why can't it be true?you need to reverse your would-be mind in the opposite direction.instead of automatically dismissing something,you should first try to disprove it.but you probably believe everything you see on t.v. though.your the worst.

  

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131. "RE: This is too fun!"
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No, I think the burden of proof is on this guy York. He's making a pretty outlandish claim, yet does not back it up whatsoever. Once he offers some evidence then I will be more than happy to examine it.

By the way, I know for a fact that York is the devil because it says so in the Quran:

047.025
YUSUF ALI: Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.

Ha! now disprove that he isn't.




  

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72. "my last one for the day:"
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"The time and space relationship is linked to the human and Earth’s bio-rythms, and that determines how many dimensions for a world, which in your case is a third-dimension reality, are up for grabs. This is dealing with the extra space we have in our time."
"Let me explain. The clocks on Earth used to have a “tick” and a “tock.” Now there is only the “tick.” So time has been changed, and that missing “tock” is up for grabs that can be utilized by extraterrestrial beings who overstand this “altered time,” and they can come in and out of this dimension at will."

Source: Who Lived Before The Adam & Eve Story?


One more:
"Dyslexia means to go against the law. “Dys” a Greek word meaning “hard, difficult or against” and “lexia” or lex a latin word meaning “law.” Here an English word dyslexia made from a combination of two distinctive languages combined to form one word! Do you follow? So in actuality, when a person is said to have dyslexia, it is because they say the child reads and spells English backwards. That’s not the problem.
What it is, is the person’s brain refuses to go against the original law, meaning the first languages, the ancient Aramic (Hebrew) and Ashuric/Syriac (Arabic). Both of which existed almost simultaneously because Aram and Asshur son of Shem, who the languages came from, lived at the same time. Aramic and Ashuric/Syraic were, and still are written and read form right to left. English, a language that came about much later is read and written from left to right. From the the word dog comes the dog “god” Anubis (the jackal), the Egyptian Diety of the Dead."

Source: GOD, God, god—What Is The Difference?

dyslexia = "the child reads and spells English backwards"
this is totally incorrect.

This guy is not even trying hard. This is so amateurish. I could come up with better stuff than this.

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 09:43 AM

  
83. "RE: my last one for the day:"
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so why haven't you?or is it your job to sit back and let everyone else do the hard work while you just criticize?mad pathetic son.

  

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98. "RE: my last one for the day:"
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Forget what you say. I have spoken with his CHILDREN. You can cry about us being emotional muslims but I was not even muslim when I would spend time learning about this whole HTM thing, and some of his kids and MANY women(maybe 50 with kids) accross this United States... I have been told about thier travels and all of this stuff. Spare me. The ones who left him then were living WAAAY better than the ones who were with him...

Why should your child have to SET UP AN APPOINTMENT in order to see you? but that was the case


You talk what you know but I know what went on behind closed doors. If he can't guide his OWN kids THEN what???

Not to mention the thought that some of the women in his cult had to sleep with him when they were not married.

About Aisha (ra) she did not argue about marrying the Prophet Muhammad(salallah alayhe wasalaam) and her father who was the Prophet's(saw) best friend(ra) and all of them knew that Muhammad WAS the Messenger of Allah and since he has an impecable reputation even among his enemies in Mecca, we was trusted. They did not consumate the marriage until she went through the onset of childbearing and she is among the highest of esteem of the muslims. She was outspoken and she was not oppressed. She was also offered the choice (as all of his wives were) to either choose the Prophet Muhammad or choose other than him. They all chose him and there were enough witnesses to this.

It is a very NEW idea that AGE makes an adult and NOT ability to procreate.

Allah is the Authority for what WE say.


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"The one whose faith is perfect is afflicted by the whisperer(shaytaan). The thief does not bother entering a ruined house."-(al-Jawahir al-Hisan)

  

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Tue May-22-01 10:44 AM

  
101. "RE: my last one for the day:"
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as far as his children go,for everyone that is disatisfied,there is one that is satisfied.i have gotten the chance to speak to some of his children also.all of them are not against him.excuse me,but when he had all these women,what was his faith?exactly.muslims all around the world were doing the same thing.most american muslims never travel.if you did,then you would see.hundreds of people have bad things to say about york or the doctrine because of personal reasons.others MAY have a legitimate beef.i can't call it.what i can say is DON'T BELIEVE OTHERS,CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.

  

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109. "RE: my last one for the day:"
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hundreds
>of people have bad things
>to say about york or
>the doctrine because of personal
>reasons.others MAY have a legitimate
>beef.

BUT WHY CANT THOSE "PERSONAL REASONS" BE "LEGITIMATE BEEF"?

i can't call it.what i
>can say is DON'T BELIEVE
>OTHERS,CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
HOW DO WE CHECK OUT WHETHER OR NOT PPL IN ANSAARULLAH HAD TO SET UP APPOINTMENTS TO SEE EACH OTHER (NAMELY HUSBANDS, WIVES, AND CHILDREN)?
LOOK IN THE HISTORY BOOKS?
OR TALK TO PAST MEMBERS?
WELL THE BOOK "ANSAR CULT" TALKED TO PAST MEMBERS AND GOT THE SCOOP. AND GUESS WHAT? THATS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. AND THEIR "PERSONAL REASONS" ARE "100% LEGITIMATE BEEF"!!!!!!!!

INSHA'ALLAH, I MIGHT HAVE TO BUY THE BOOK SOMEWHERE, CAUSE IT DONT LOOK LIKE IM GOING TO GET IT BACK. I BELIEVE THE DUDE LET A NUWAUBIAN HOLD IT. THAT PROBABLY THE END OF THAT BOOK.


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 11:21 AM

  
114. "RE: my last one for the day:"
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exactly,how do you find out about it?your grabbing at air my man.i told you your best bet is to stay in the doctrine.and believe me,if a nuwaubian has the ansaar cult book,he wouldn't throw it away.he/she would keep it for COMPARITVE RESEARCH.namely the 360 QUESTIONS TO ASK A SUNNI MUSLIM/REBUTTAL TO THE SLANDERS.plus it would be good for a laugh every now and then.

  

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88. "FACTS AND FICTION"
In response to Reply # 72


  

          

yeah, i'm glad someone went there... the funniest is how he breaks down spike lee's movies—the way they are negative to/for blacks, and calls the man an imp. i mean i know he looks funny but... and says "the name spike, is an ancient name of the malevolent ones."

subjects discussed on this site and in the scrolls are interesting but how can they be taken as fact? they just seem like alternate interpretations, sometimes they make more sense of what you know, usually state the obvious, or just confuse the hell out of you like that dog to god thing. i dated a nuwaubian and had to listen to this stuff 24/7...

______

"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow your mind-

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 10:18 AM

  
94. "RE: FACTS AND FICTION"
In response to Reply # 88


          

that's where comparitive research comes in my man.he doesn't tell you to just accept everything in the scroll as fact.another important point people fail to realize is that he is here to reform.which means that you can find what he is talking about in other books.he is here to make things clearer and right the wrongs.

  

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95. "planet rizq, WORD!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 94


          

>that's where comparitive research comes in
>my man.he doesn't tell you
>to just accept everything in
>the scroll as fact.

so once again:
how do we research that he is from planet rizq?


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 10:34 AM

  
99. "RE: planet rizq, WORD!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 95


          

in simple words,you can't.would like me to sit here and lie.nahh,can't do that.but if you read books like "the sacred records of atum-re",and the holy tablets,you'll see.ha,ha.

  

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Inta galatiK

Tue May-22-01 10:43 AM

  
100. "RE: planet rizq, WORD!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 99


          

bull shyt..he from jersey...hahahahaha
give me evil..and i shall turn it to good


i reallign to vomit lines and
regurgitate worthless mindz~Axis

Can start big fight as there dicks get heard now
OHHHHHOHHH PPPPPlease I have my man~dbell

ur killin my day
~

(JAH)myyn
...uh?


  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 10:45 AM

  
102. "RE: planet rizq, WORD!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 100


          

just like your weak as slang,right.ha,ha.

  

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Inta galatiK

Tue May-22-01 10:51 AM

  
104. "hohahohaoahaoaa..."
In response to Reply # 102


          

why dont u go study ur history and do somethyn for ur
people(if ur not) and get off thys man<yes he is a man like u>saggy nutz?


i reallign to vomit lines and
regurgitate worthless mindz~Axis

Can start big fight as there dicks get heard now
OHHHHHOHHH PPPPPlease I have my man~dbell

ur killin my day
~

(JAH)myyn
...uh?


  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 10:55 AM

  
106. "RE: hohahohaoahaoaa..."
In response to Reply # 104


          

get off of him?i ain't on him my man.you guys are on him.and even with a group effort,your doing a poor job.

  

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Inta galatiK

Tue May-22-01 10:59 AM

  
107. "last tyme i checked..."
In response to Reply # 106


          

thys was an okay board where u discuss wateva!!
but um...my man...i hope u find truth..honestly..peace

i reallign to vomit lines and
regurgitate worthless mindz~Axis

Can start big fight as there dicks get heard now
OHHHHHOHHH PPPPPlease I have my man~dbell

ur killin my day
~

(JAH)myyn
...uh?


  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 12:03 PM

  
122. "RE: last tyme i checked..."
In response to Reply # 107


          

and i hope you find some grammar.....

  

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Inta galatiK

Tue May-22-01 06:19 PM

  
129. "RE: last tyme i checked..."
In response to Reply # 122


          

ur a joke...thankz fo the laughter..appreciate it

i reallign to vomit lines and
regurgitate worthless mindz~Axis

Can start big fight as there dicks get heard now
OHHHHHOHHH PPPPPlease I have my man~dbell

ur killin my day
~

(JAH)myyn
...uh?


  

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113. "MESSAGE NOT MESSENGER"
In response to Reply # 94


  

          

i totally "get" what dr. york is "doing" and i also "see" where it can be confusing, especially to those who follow a religion. (i think that is kinda why this post was started and continues...) but many religious people have used the scrolls as supplements to their holy books without giving up their "faith."

i do not seek to discredit dr. york or any religion. i really don't want to defend either...

it's just this subject gets to me because, like i said, i dated a nuwaubian and had soooooo many discussions on the scrolls, etc. this person just wanted to be special, a "god." the person came off very arrogant, personally considered to be "the light." anyway, some of the "knowledge" made sense, and some did not. not all of it "sounds right." whatever. like i said in my first post on this subject, the idea of being an alien earthling hybrid is depressing (though it may be intended to be uplifting), no matter how great those alien beings were. we seem watered-down...

also, as a graphic designer, i must say those scrolls are poorly designed (to me). the graphics are not attactive plus the recreation of egypt in georgia is, ummm, gaudy. (to me) the idea of less being more is not "western" or pressed upon us, it just seems to make for good aesthetics. hope i don't sound petty...


______

"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow your mind-

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 11:25 AM

  
115. "RE: MESSAGE NOT MESSENGER"
In response to Reply # 113


          

you don't sound petty.i know how some nuwaubians can be,trust me.but the scrolls do make good reading if you find the topics interesting.as far as the graphics,i buy the scrolls for their contents not their appearence.

  

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116. "NOW HOW DID I KNOW"
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you were going to say that. peace.

______

"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow your mind-

  

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120. "you too?"
In response to Reply # 113


          


>also, as a graphic designer, i
>must say those scrolls are
>poorly designed (to me). the
>graphics are not attactive

and i used to be an artist.
and all of those pictures in the scrolls ARE WHACK!!!!
ALL OF THEM LOOK THE SAME!!!
the same artist took the same pictures and CHANGED some features and VOILA!!! NEW PICTURES?
cant waste too much money on that type of stuff. i he did there would be no "In March, he purchased a $285,000 building in Athens for the headquarters of the Ancient Egiptian Order -- one of the many organizations and names connected to the mysterious group."

quote taken from:http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/022701/new_0227010901.shtml

Nuwaubians' notoriety in Georgia growing

By Vicky Eckenrode

post #5


HEY KAS!
in scroll #51-baptism ceremony, there is a picture of adam, eve, and gabriel the angel.
where did the artist get the descriptions from?
and how can i "LOOK IT UP FOR MY SELF"?


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Inta galatiK

Tue May-22-01 09:39 AM

  
80. "u forgot..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

about hiz hit oldiez LP in the early 80's
thys iz who people are following?
one who dissed afrikanz? now claimin it as hiz own?
oh...fuk him and hiz stolen doctrinez...and fuk islam!!

i reallign to vomit lines and
regurgitate worthless mindz~Axis

Can start big fight as there dicks get heard now
OHHHHHOHHH PPPPPlease I have my man~dbell

ur killin my day
~

(JAH)myyn
...uh?


  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 09:52 AM

  
87. "RE: u forgot..."
In response to Reply # 80


          

so what?!what does that have to do with what he's doing now?and if you have ever LISTENED to the songs,i think you'll see that it wasn't no fake as ghost-spell(gospel)shit.he was dropping it then like he's dropping it now.hold dat chump!!!!

  

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Inta galatiK

Tue May-22-01 10:12 AM

  
92. "lol@chump.."
In response to Reply # 87


          

i can be a dummy wif u but um...i refuse to follow a man that
once dissed afrikanz, one who dropped a wack ass love lp, but um now he's an afrikan? yo itz all peace, i hope he do good fo hiz people, but he really needz to chill wif hiz wooden pyrimdz. im a guerrilla sistah...chump...im here fo truth...he just recently found that.do ur damn studiez before u come out ur mouth...CHUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i reallign to vomit lines and
regurgitate worthless mindz~Axis

Can start big fight as there dicks get heard now
OHHHHHOHHH PPPPPlease I have my man~dbell

ur killin my day
~

(JAH)myyn
...uh?


  

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HashimAbdulKhaliq
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111. "HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?"
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It seems to me that people follow dudes like Dr. York because its easy. Where is the challenge? There are no REAL prohibitions like no pre-marital sex. Drinking or getting high are all cool. Its the thing to follow if you want to be different from everybody. Its the thing to deal with if you want walk around like you have some higher knowledge and are better than your fellow man. As black people we always want to be special. this type of stuff makes you special.

When to beliefs and doctrines change every 3 years, you can change too.

How does this info benefit you in this life? I dont see the benefit. Any dude can just back and dream up some stuff. this stuff seems dreamed up.

I used to read many of Dr Yorks doctrines back when he was in NY. Back when his thing anti-Sunni Muslim. Then I found some stuff that he wrote from the late 70's early 80's and he was quoting Hadiths and Quran and teaching people about Islam. Back then he had a thing for women and men praying together and a thing for having sex with all the women who joined the Ansaaru. This was written in his literature. So me as a man of logic quickly disregarded him as a reliable source of info. A reliable source of info for a guy whose concern was bettering himself. Bear in mind I read all of this when I wasnt Muslim. Keep in mind that I used some his literature to learn how to make Salaah (Pray). This is proof that he has changed his game so many times. I cross referenced his info on Salaah with Quraan and SUnnah and his info was on point.

I could go on and on. But my question is:

HOW DOES following the info that he puts out BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?




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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenship
into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And w

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 11:46 AM

  
117. "RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?"
In response to Reply # 111


          

first of all,when did doc say it was cool to drink and smoke,and just because you choose not to have pre-marrital sex does that make you righteous?hell no.like i said before,when he was a muslim he did as muslims did.how many wives does he have now?how many did he have before he started the ansaarullah community?what my soul gets out of it is none of YOUR damn business.that's between me and my soul,correct?thats like me asking you what do you get out of worshipping a deity that allows bloodshed and sex with minors.

  

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121. "RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?"
In response to Reply # 111


  

          


exactly. one could run up on a collection of his older works and changed works and that is WEAK, becuase then the individual is confused. Noone SANE would actually switch up his style so much and leave so much literature around all saying different things with his name on it. That is just plain old stupid.

Change is Constant but The More things CHANGE, the more they STAY THE SAME.

There is no good reason for someone to go through all of these changes unless he felt that black people are ILLITERATE and STUPID and that they will NOT go and find out for themselves...

He just want to plan a picnic, ask you to bring a dish and STILL charge you money for comming, AND make you buy T-shirts and all of that crap. He is a money maker and if you don't pay attention then that is YOUR CHOICE. look at how muh he does for others versus what he does for himself. If there is more for him and he has not leveled the playing field. Also, black people spend much more money than white folks and he knows this too. He is playing you all and you need to wake up.

It is said that if everyone just paid 2._% of thier wealth ONCE a year that it would be enough to end world hunger,etc.


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The one whose faith is perfect is afflicted by the whisperer(shaytaan). The thief does not bother entering a ruined house."-(al-Jawahir al-Hisan)

  

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KAS19

Tue May-22-01 12:07 PM

  
124. "RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?"
In response to Reply # 121


          

if you can't see the overlying message within each of the "SCHOOLS" that we went thru sis,then thats on you.but there others who do.that's the problem,you see religions as religions and we treat them as schools of thought.and after we learn,we out.

peace

  

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HashimAbdulKhaliq
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200. "RE: HOW DOES THIS INFO BENEFIT YOUR SOUL ?"
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>if you can't see the overlying
>message within each of the
>"SCHOOLS" that we went thru
>sis,then thats on you.but there
>others who do.that's the problem,you
>see religions as religions and
>we treat them as schools
>of thought.and after we learn,we
>out.
>
>peace


Wonce again the easy way out. This seems like a fly by the seat of your pants approach to living. I dont care what you do with your soul. Do as you please.

As for me, I deal with logic. The stuff this dude comes with is far from locical to me. I agree with Sudani, he has a sweet way of getting black peoples money. Not to be joking or anything but what will he be next? A caucasion. A animal. Skys the limit with this dude.

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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenship
into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And w

  

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125. "REASON"
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i don't think dr. york intends to save souls... i think you know one is responsible for one's own soul. some people are so out of touch with their respective souls, no matter what they do, they are lost. "heaven" and "hell" are here on earth. it's sad. it's sad that people think they can pray to get what they "want" and if they do not get it, then that is how whoever they call their god intended it to be. maybe the idea of saving one's soul should be shifted from saving the soul from "evil" to saving the soul from it's "owner."

has anyone read the book THINGS FALL APART? sometimes you have to shift "belief" to maintain your "life"...

_____

"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow your mind-

  

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HashimAbdulKhaliq
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201. "RE: REASON"
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>i don't think dr. york intends
>to save souls... i think
>you know one is responsible
>for one's own soul. some
>people are so out of
>touch with their respective souls,
>no matter what they do,
>they are lost.

"heaven" and
>"hell" are here on earth.

No they are not. Then why die. Why not live forever. The fact is everyone dies and then is resurrected to be judged and is then given what they deserve Heaven (a place of total bliss and hell a place of total torment)

>it's sad. it's sad that
>people think they can pray
>to get what they "want"
>and if they do not
>get it, then that is
>how whoever they call their
>god intended it to be.

You have to understand that you have no control and God does. I know its hard to submit but we all submit to something in our lives (people, situations etc.) Since God is in control and he knows best, things dont always happen the way we want them to. Something may seem bad to us when it happens but who knows what other catastrophe that we are avoiding by geting hit with hurdles. Allah knows best.

>maybe the idea of saving
>one's soul should be shifted
>from saving the soul from
>"evil" to saving the soul
>from it's "owner."

Exactly, the owner doesnt know best so he/she must trust in Allah because he does. He created us. When you create something you know it better right? Our life struggle is learning about ourselves. Who better to learn from but your Creator?
>
>has anyone read the book THINGS
>FALL APART? sometimes you have
>to shift "belief" to maintain
>your "life"...
>

I agree that you might have to change up tha pitch sometimes to adjust, but to shift belief may not cause success. Belief or Faith is the foundation. Faith in Allah and understanding that Allah is in control you find out that this is your key to success. So you pray and follow up prayer with action and see how Allah helps you out. I have experienced this many time in life especially when the odds were against me.

No I didnt read the book. I hope to some day.


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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenship
into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And w

  

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204. "RE: REASON (as a verb)"
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umm... the physical body dies. the soul lives forever. matter can not be created or destroyed - solid to liquid to gas...

everyone is resurrected to be judged for what? a female chinese newborn abandoned on the street, left for dead, because of overcrowding laws and patriarchal tradition gets judged for what? your allah says "oh, you're just a baby, you didn't do anything bad, go on up to heaven..." now come on. if heaven or hell exist like that, one or both is overflowing with souls because - do you know how many people must die everyday? and what constitutes worthiness for heaven? who has it right - the jews, the christians, the muslims, etc.? will serving your god get you there? ever think serving your god is serving yourself? is it not the ultimate self-serving thing to do all you can to get to heaven? would you go to hell in order to send someone else to heaven?

as far as praying, i do. i do in a way that clears my mind, which allows me to use the wisdom the creator gave me to solve my problems. and i do to thank the creator for what i have been blessed with. not money or success, i know how to get those - but life, i really have no clear idea of how this life came about.

in the book THINGS FALL APART, some african women of a particular tribe converted to christianity because the belief system they were under did not allow for multiple births, and they were "tired" of bearing twins only to have the babies killed/sacrificed. obviously christianity was not the "answer" either, the white man used it to justify slavery. so much more goes on in this book, but from it one can reason why belief systems are faulty.

religious people often say, "never question god." it's not the creator i question, it's people. the creator has given us "clues" everyday if not every second as to how we can live on a higher level within the confines of this earth. look at the type of beings we are. we are animals. we have intellect but we have instinct. we have to survive but we feel hella guilty when we crush others to do so. and there it is, the soul. that's why i personally feel the creator exists. that tingly feeling deep inside me... everything else seems contrived and ceremonial. i choose not to feed my soul with ceremony.





______

"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow ya mind-

  

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205. "RE: REASON (as a verb)"
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>umm... the physical body dies. the
>soul lives forever. matter can
>not be created or destroyed
>- solid to liquid to
>gas...

I agree. I dont think I said differently. Please excuse me if it came out that way.

>everyone is resurrected to be judged
>for what? a female chinese
>newborn abandoned on the street,
>left for dead, because of
>overcrowding laws and patriarchal tradition
>gets judged for what? your
>allah says "oh, you're just
>a baby, you didn't do
>anything bad, go on up
>to heaven..." now come on.

I cant speak for Allah so I dont know what he would say. In Islam Children that have not started Puberty are not responsible for thier sins. So if a child dies they do go to Heaven. Why not?

>if heaven or hell exist
>like that, one or both
>is overflowing with souls because
>- do you know how
>many people must die everyday?

Okay? You seem to question the existance of heaven or hell. The creator gives us life, we have free-will, our souls are aware of right and wrong naturally just like you naturally believe there is a creator. Our contious bothers us when we attempt to do wrong without studying anything about religion. It is our nature to please our creator. How to please the creator? doing right and staying away from wrong. You live a life and do wrong and right and then you die. Yes your physical dies but your soul goes forth to be judged according to what you did in life. Then you get what you deserve Heaven or Hell. So when a dude with money kills people and can get off because he can get a good Lawyer or he pleads insanity when the truth is he's not, when he dies he then gets what he deserves. This doesnt mean that he will go to hell, he goes where Allah chooses to send him, he goes where he deserves. He could have repented and Allah may have accepted his repentance.

>and what constitutes worthiness for
>heaven? who has it right
>- the jews, the christians,
>the muslims, etc.?

All three kind of have it the same.

will serving
>your god get you there?
>ever think serving your god
>is serving yourself?

No. In all do respect that doesnt make sense to me. If god is the creator how he be created. We as human beings are not Godly. Being Godly you can do what you want when you want. We are not God. We cannot create ourselves. We cannot do anything accept by Allahs leave. If you disagree thats okay. I'm just sharing my view.

is it
>not the ultimate self-serving thing
>to do all you can
>to get to heaven?

Yes. I worship Allah because its good for me. Its the ultimate benefit. The guidance is infinite. The goal is to have the best of this life and the hereafter. The best of the hereafter is Heaven, the best of this life is having nice things and having fun but not forgetting about our duty to Allah. As long as the nice things are not sought out by prohibited or evil means such as stealing or selling drugs they are okay to have.

> will you go to hell in
>order to send someone else
>to heaven?

There is no need to. Why take that chance. In Islam there are cases when things are prohibited become obligatory. Example: If a Muslim is truely starving and the only food to eat is pork then he or she MUST eat the pork to survive.

The reason why I put forth this example is to say that There is always a righteous choice and when there is not you can do whats usually wrong in other circumstances.
>
>as far as praying, i do.
>i do in a way
>that clears my mind, which
>allows me to use the
>wisdom the creator gave me
>to solve my problems. and
>i do to thank the
>creator for what i have
>been blessed with.

This is good I urge you to continue.

not money
>or success, i know how
>to get those - but
>life, i really have no
>clear idea of how this
>life came about.

Allah will help in those pursuits as well. Remember the creator is in controll. You should ask Allah for things because without him you will not get these things. Allah is in control Not us.

>
>in the book THINGS FALL APART,
>some african women of a
>particular tribe converted to christianity
>because the belief system they
>were under did not allow
>for multiple births, and they
>were "tired" of bearing
>twins only to have the
>babies killed/sacrificed. obviously christianity was
>not the "answer" either, the
>white man used it to
>justify slavery. so much more
>goes on in this book,
>but from it one can
>reason why belief systems are
>faulty.
>
>religious people often say, "never question
>god." it's not the creator
>i question, it's people. the
>creator has given us "clues"
>everyday if not every second
>as to how we can
>live on a higher level
>within the confines of this
>earth. look at the type
>of beings we are. we
>are animals. we have intellect
>but we have instinct. we
>have to survive but we
>feel hella guilty when we
>crush others to do so.
>and there it is, the
>soul. that's why i personally
>feel the creator exists. that
>tingly feeling deep inside me...
>everything else seems contrived and
>ceremonial. i choose not to
>feed my soul with ceremony.
>
>
I agree with you but Islam is way of life not religion. The ceremonial things that are done all make sense. Praying five times a day when compared to bathing five times a day keeps you focused on doing right and staying away from just as the bathing keeps you clean and not dirty.

take care. My plan is to not offend you but just to let you know about Islam. I urge you too stay positive and doing whats right. I urge you to stay away from whats wrong and encourage others to do the same.

PEACE
>
>
>
>
>______
>
>"you came and opened me, now
>there's so much more i
>see"
>stevie wonder verse / that's what
>friends are for
>
>"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're
>all stocked up here."
>jack nicholson line / as good
>as it gets
>
>"it took a while to get
>me here and i'm gonna
>take my time"
>gwen stefani / eve's -let me
>blow ya mind-



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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenship
into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
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206. "RE: REASON - that is peace..."
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yeah, we could go back and forth, like the rest of this post, forever. like most, we think/feel "the same" but have different reasons behind our thinking/feeling.

i guess the thing that got me was the heaven and hell issue. sounds like dogma. i think heaven and hell are states of being, even mind, and not actual places. i don't think the creator need sit in judge of us when we know we do negative. we punish our souls, that's punishment enough. and if you do not follow islam, that way of life? i think this is why people are interested in dr. york's teachings. religions and "ways of life" seem to have convenient "answers" to explain sad things. they also seem to "scare" people to positive instead of trusting people to avoid negative. they let you replace righteousness with survival. you said it, we are not gods... dr. york's "answers" can be just as sad... i don't think of the creator as something that would use control to give one riches and another poverty, help one have good health and another contract disease, judging us for our sins - that would make the creator way too human...




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"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow ya mind-

  

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209. "RE: REASON - that is peace..."
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>yeah, we could go back and
>forth, like the rest of
>this post, forever. like most,
>we think/feel "the same" but
>have different reasons behind our
>thinking/feeling.
>
>i guess the thing that got
>me was the heaven and
>hell issue. sounds like dogma.
>i think heaven and hell
>are states of being, even
>mind, and not actual places.
>i don't think the creator
>need sit in judge of
>us when we know we
>do negative. we punish our
>souls, that's punishment enough. and
>if you do not follow
>islam, that way of life?
>i think this is why
>people are interested in dr.
>york's teachings. religions and "ways
>of life" seem to have
>convenient "answers" to explain sad
>things. they also seem to
>"scare" people to positive instead
>of trusting people to avoid
>negative.

I don't believe in the scare thing according to religion because a thunder clap or near death incedent can equally cause a person to re-evaluate what they are doing and why they are here.

I think it is better to say that it is not that we are not "trusted" to do the right thing, it is more proof of how we as humans have failed over and over to do the right thing when we FORGET that we will answer for our misdeads either HERE or in the HEREAFTER. We also tend to forget that which we do not see. I may pray , but I sometimes forget that I will never have privacy because it will ALWAYS be known what I am doing.

When I was asked to do something by my mom, I worked more ferverently when she was present. When I would dance, I would gain more poise when I knew someone was present. It is like the hidden camera in a way. We will try to guard our behaviors a little better when we remember that we are always being watched.

The main issue to me is that man makes doing right seem like the hard thing to do, or the wrong thing to do,whatever. That is what is scary. I think Talib said it best when he said that Self-Destruction is easy to sell.

Allah knows best



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"The one whose faith is perfect is afflicted by the whisperer(shaytaan). The thief does not bother entering a ruined house."-(al-Jawahir al-Hisan)

  

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210. "RE: REASON - right or wrong?"
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the thunder clap is all inspiring, the beauty of nature. near death situations turned to revelations is related to the "scare" thing. many are scared to die, scared of the unknown and the idea of hell. if we so often forget we will answer for wrong what makes us remember to do right? if no one was watching, would we just be all bad? why is it when people describe the power of whatever they call "god" that "god" sounds like santa claus?

people have conflicting ideas about what the right thing is. if "god" is the only one who knows, who is to say dr. york is doing the wrong thing? does "Allah" know right or just best?

______

"you came and opened me, now there's so much more i see"
stevie wonder verse / that's what friends are for

"...sell crazy somewhere else, lady. we're all stocked up here."
jack nicholson line / as good as it gets

"it took a while to get me here and i'm gonna take my time"
gwen stefani / eve's -let me blow ya mind-

  

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118. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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Please inform me the definition of the Arabic quote at the bottomof this message, which is at the bottom of your message. I recently returned from the Middle East and my Arabic is primarily based upon the Arabic lettering and not the Anglo-phonic (English) transliteration thereof.

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika


I notice some of the words, but I am not failiar with all of the words, thank you for your help, and in-shaallah, I shall be able to learn from this teaching. Shoukran, ma'salaama.

Salaam,
(Rob) BKA- Asad Johari Shariff abd al-Rahman ibn Mohammad


  

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Tue May-22-01 11:53 AM

  
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Minfadliq (Please) inform me the definition of the Arabic quote at the bottom of this message, which is at the bottom of your message. I recently returned from the Middle East (Ma Sr, Abu Simmel) and my Arabic is primarily based upon the Arabic lettering and not the Anglo-phonic (English) transliteration thereof.
subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika


I notice some of the words, but I am not failiar with all of the words, thank you for your help, and in-shaallah, I shall be able to learn from this teaching. Shoukran, ma'salaama.

Salaam,
(Rob) BKA- Asad Johari Shariff abd al-Rahman ibn Mohammad


  

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123. "RE: MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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ya akhee!

it means: Subhanak allaahuma wa bihamdik/Glory be to You. Oh Allaah,
ash-hadu allaa illahaa illa Ant/I bear witness there is none that has the
right to my worship but You, astaghfiruka wa a tubu Eellaik/I ask Your
forgiveness and repent unto You. (Ameen)

min 'ayna anta? where are you from?
and where were you in the mideast?

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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126. "RE: MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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whats with the damn quotes,mannnnn.like i sais before,nothing substantial nor tangible.who can you get converts with that self-centered "if u ain't muslim, u ain't right"bullshit.c'mon son.you can do better.

  

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127. "please see....................."
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post 122 for a response to your post.

>mannnnn.like i
>sais ...."if u ain't
>muslim, u ain't right"...........c'mon son.you
>can do better.


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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134. "KAS19, what is your problem?"
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I think it rather craste of you to judage an enitre nation of people based upon a marginal encounter that you have made with those, who call themselves Muslims/abd (slave of Allah). It would behoove you to cease with the judgements of people, and look to the source. You have allot of growing up to do, as I see it. And yes, this should be embarassing for you, because I am 19 y/o and have traveled the seven seas and have experienced an entire world that is not worth judging. Brother, you have to understand that the peace and the God (ALLAH) that is sought within a Mosque or a reigion is not going to be found in a place or a building. You must stop attacking people and religion. God is found within the individual, not within the religion. Religion is only a tool, the purest tool or a structure to offer a prototypical blueprint to an individual, who is on a quest for God within him/herself. You have no peace, my friend. It is from within, it does not come from a Mosque, a Chruch, or a Synagogue. It cannot even be found in a book, a verse, a hymn, or a quote. Those are just tools to help manifest those things gtom the inter to the intra. Look at all the major religions of the world. They all strive to get to the same place: perfection, nirvana, heaven, the gardens, God. Religion is on a quest to take an individual to the same place, but it is by different means of getting that person there is where all the commotion entereth. I hope that you heed these words, and do not take them offensively.....but if you do take them harshly, that is a problem that I cannot even begin to deal with; one that is yours and not mine.

PEACE (Ma'salaam)
Asad Johari Shariff abd al-Rahman ibn Mohammad

  

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KAS19

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136. "RE: KAS19, what is your problem?"
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first of all i could care less what your religion is.when you have people like "slave of uhu",who wish to present info that is bent on personal attacks and slander all i'm saying is SHOW AND PROVE.thats all,thats it.

  

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133. "RE: MINFADLIQ (PLEASE) HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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min Atlanta...however, I am currently studying social revolutions and I am inhabiting within London, England. I traveled to Abu Simmel (Egypt), Libya, Sinai, and Algeria. I know this is Africa, but I guess it is the colonialist framework (thanks Frantz Fanon) that I am using in order to classify these areas as the Middle East. So, in essence I guess I didn't visit the Middle East at all. Hollah back....

Ma'salaama.....
Rob BKA- Asad Johari Shariff abd al-Rahman ibn Mohammad

  

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..........according to malachi.
taken from:http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/4978/ourstory.html

For all those who are interested or just curious here is the partial OURSTORY(history) of The Holy Tabernacle Ministries. Relax and enjoy.


Taken from The Holy Tablets Chapter 19:AL KHIDR, MURDOQ Tablet 6-Zodoq:Melchizedek Pages 1643-1648(in part):
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"...And this is how and when it all began for us. The mission of our master teacher formed in the late nineteen sixties A. D. under the name Amunnnubi Rooakhptah, an unknown writer of the Science of Nuwaubu. Knowing the Nubians weren’t ready for that level of information as of yet, I started teaching under the name Imaam Isa, for Muslims seem to be the most influential movements of that time and didn’t dare question each other. I set up the headquarters, which was located in Brooklyn, New York and began in an apartment building on twenty five, twenty five Bedford Avenue in nineteen sixty and seven A. D. During this time I named my mission Ansaar Pure Sufi, with usage of the six-pointed star and crescent with an ankh inside. Our official garb at this time was a black tunic, we called a budlah and black loose fitting pants, with a tarbush and shoes which became known as Romeos. This was the year nineteen sixty and seven A. D. Then the dress changed to African robes and the people, we called ourselves Nubians. This was the year nineteen sixty and eight and nine A. D.

In nineteen sixty and nine A. D. The group metamorphised to the Nubian Islaamic Hebrews. And the dress changed to a more elaborate style of dashiki, a black fez and a small bone in the left ear for those who wished to wear it and a ring in the right nostril. In nineteen seventy A. D. The Nubian Islaamic Hebrews were founded as an official sect and communal living was set. Also in the year nineteen and seventy A. D., the small flock moved to a house on Neptune Avenue and twenty third street in Coney Island. And opened the Pure Sufi Bookstore on seven twenty Flatbush Avenue and the layout and printing shop was four nine two Flatbush Avenue, right down the block. Twenty eighty thirteen West twenty ninth Street served as a meeting place and lecture hall which was my home in Coney Island.

We then relocated and opened a Masjid on twenty two Utica Avenue. This was a very spiritual period and many Angelic visitors manifested themselves to the growing congregation. Our community was expanding so rapidly, we had to move again in nineteen and seventy and two A. D. This time to four fifty to Rockaway Avenue where classes were held in what we called the "Upper Room." The next move took us to Carroll Street where a candy store was opened.

Later that year the Masjid was re-established at eight thirty three St. John’s Place and a book store was opened. I began publishing the pamphlets of peace. I wrote, typed, illustrated, reproduced and distributed them almost single handedly. I diligently treaded the streets of New York and the surrounding areas as I propagated Sufi Islaam. I was blessed with the "gift of gab" and combined with a sense of humor and charisma that draws people of all walks of life to me. People began to wonder who this man that spoke so profoundly and so persistently on many subjects which were previously considered unmentionable. At first, many people joined the mission because it was the style: to be "black" and cultural. I drew many hypocrites-phonies who just wanted to "play Muslim." They didn’t want to work to build a nation. They just wanted to dress in African clothing, play drums and listen to me speak. I called them the "first fruits." They were faithful, but not true.

In nineteen seventy and two A. D., after returning from Sudan I drew a literal line in the masjid floor, and said: those who wanted their "culture," but did not want to sacrifice to build for the future were excluded. The mission was then carried on by those who were willing to "work for perfection." The mission expanded and moved to a new headquarters in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn, originally occupying one building seven forty three Bushwick Avenue, and then adding on more buildings as time passed until it had grown to a village which presently exist on Bushwick Avenue till this day.

Our mission has obtained all its assets through sacrificing without the aid of outside funds. We’ve established many businesses within our community structure. Immediately the jealousy and hatred started. The slander was on the lips of those who could not quite overstand where we came from. We donned black tarbushes and our symbol was simply a crescent, a six-pointed star and an ankh. We propagated daily, we walked the trains, throughout the buses on all the college campuses. Our message of the Nubian Islaamic Hebrews, Ansaaru Allah Community could be heard. The Nubians that were following Orthodox Islam, or many of the other groups would simply say, if you ignore them they will just go away, they are just a schism. They won’t last, we are the true nation, we have the right way. However as time has proven they are the ones that have fallen away. Their leaders took them absolutely nowhere, as the watched the Ansaaru Allah Community grow worldwide, a link was made with the Ansaars of the Sudan known as the Mahdiyya, which welcomed the Ansaars of the Western hemisphere. At this point we were wearing what had been established as the international garb of the Ansaaru Allah Community, which consisted of the thawb, dress and khimar, face veil for the female. This face veil which was not apart of the Sudanese original dress was introduced by the women of the community who mostly left immediately after and went back to wearing western attire leaving the devoted women behind veiled. I told them the day would come when his veil would have to be removed while living in the West, and it has. And the jallaabiyya, a long white garment and bantaluwn, loose fitting pants and immah, head covering for the male with an azzaba.

This angered them more, for it legitimized the Ansaaru Allah Community as being linked to their ancestors in Nubia and one family. But our teachings was still in a baby stage and was growing to adolescence rapidly. We were unique because no human being can find fault in it. There is no confusion in it.

Then on into adulthood, our code of dress changed from time to time, to suit the time we were in. Our garb had mutated again in the year nineteen ninety and two A. D., to the kathnuwth, tunic and bantaluwn, loose fitting pants with a sash around the waist in various colors for the male, and the budlah nubi of the female which also consists of a tunic and bantaluwn and a shawl as a head covering of many colors. And the information that was being taught, believing that you must be submerged into the environment of what you’re being taught fully was completed. This again made the fools raise their eyebrows, and say of us;

"I told you they didn’t know what they were doing, they keep changing. They used to wear veils, now they don’t".
Not one of them was intelligent enough to see, that this change was their great chance, for they said;

"those people, those Ansaars they’re not real Muslims, Allah does not accept their prayers, or their fasting, and they’re not going to Jennah, they worship that man, that disco singer Dr.York".
Yet when the change came they confessed to themselves and to the Ansaaru Allah Community that all the while they thought of us as Muslims, for they said;

"I heard they don’t fast Raamadan no more, I heard they don’t make five daily prayers no more, and they destroyed the Masjid, I heard their women no longer follow the dress of Al Qur’aan, they’re taking of the veil and their men no longer no longer wear the jallaabiyyas and the immahs, what happened to them?"
The answer should have been simply, if we weren’t Muslims, how could they ask these questions. They confirmed that they looked to us as living according to Al Qur’aan. Our children were raised speaking fluent classical Arabic, reading the Qur’aan in Arabic, yet the Qur’aan is a fourteen hundred year old book, and Islam is a fourteen hundred year old religion the way they practiced it. And was doing absolutely nothing to change the condition of the Nubian in the Western hemisphere. They may put on a taggiyah, grow a beard, or shave their beard, put on oils from the east or robes from the west, prayer beads in their hands, and carry an English translation of the Qur’aan but the condition and the state of mind did not change. A sign that with all they had and have been exposed to, with all these teachers and saviors they were still in need of a Right Knowledge a Right Wisdom and a Right Overstanding. It is my job to reform all the false teachings that had been taught to Nubians in the west and restore Islaam to it’s pristine purity. It is because of these false teachings of the so-called Arabs who deliberately mistranslated verses of the Qur’aan to confuse non-Arabic speaking Nubians in the west .

The time was right for this Prepared Savior, so we moved up into the Catskills Mountains of Liberty, New York and set up what I called Jazzir Abba. And set up the nineteen test of nineteen weeks of the faithful that would come through blizzards, to be taught once that was accomplished. The next move was to the Mecca of Nubians, Georgia. The dress then changed to western attire in order to get everybody away from doing their own thing; those that truly followed the Lamb wherever he may lead them, trusted in him and wore western clothes and even listen to country western music, simply because he asked them to and now The Holy Tabernacle Ministries is growing world wide and the mission is being accomplished. The letters are pouring in. Even the original followers are waking up. Many who followed other teachers, are finding their way to the Lamb. The sun is truly coming out of the east unto the west and those who endure to the end are receiving the crown of life, in The Ancient Mystic Order Of Melchizedek; Where this message is coming forth to you in order to restore your identity as Nubians. Behold the "Sun of Righteousness" stands before you with the Scroll of Malachi, that rebukes the liars for their transgressions, and who will prepare the way for the Messiah by turning the hearts of the fathers to the sons and the sons to the father, or else I, Malachi will strike the Earth with utter destruction. Now you are ready to move on toward the next level, and ready to accept what I was giving you originally. A teaching that none could stand against. You were the meek that are here to dumbfound the wise. So we are at the beginning again with Sufi and fezes. Only now we are Sufi under the A.M.O.M. the Ancient Mystic Order Of Melchizedek. The beginning of their end. You can’t be fooled by any religious doctrines of any kind. No not now a days! You have your first tool, this Holy Tablet, not someone else’s interpretation. Your own scripture that will dispell all the lies causing all falsehood to perish. Making the truth come to light. ...."

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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i hope you really read that excerpt.because if you did then you would see you answered your own questions.

  

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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137. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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taken from: http://www2.gsu.edu/~phpgls/god.htm

The God Concept

We Accept As Fact That The God Concept Comes Out Of The Bible, Taken From The Ancient Sumer Tablets Recorded In The Language Cuneiform. These Tablets Are Called 1. The Atra Hasis, 2. The Enuma Elish, 3. Adafa, 4. The Descent Of Ishtar To The Underworld, 5. Tammuz And Ishtar, 6. The Gilgamesh Epics, 7. Etana; To Mention A Few. These Tablets Had The Most High El, Who Is Also Known As ANU, Meaning " Heaven" And He Had Appointed One Of His Sons NUNAMNIR Known as ENLIL, Meaning EL- " God Of The Heaven" And His Son NUDIMMUD Known As ENQI Who Is " God Of The Earth". This ENLIL Was Called DAMMUZI Or GABRIY From Which The Name GABRIEL Comes From. He Was The Father OF TAMMUZ By The Female Deity ISHTAR. This TAMMUZ Was Called ADONIS, H e (ENLIL) Became The Supreme And Gave Birth To The Concept Of A Supreme Being, Because According To These Tablets Recorded Thousands Of Years Before The Bible, TAMMUZ Was Appointed To Rule In The Place Of His Father ENLIL Who Art In Heaven For 6,000 Years . He Declared He Was Before Abraham. He Was Also Known as Horus To The Ancient Egyptians, Alah To The Ancient Babylonians. He Became Elyon, And Later Inherited The Title Kurious And Kristos In Greek From The Sanskrit And Meant " Christ" The Son Of The God"-ENLIL Of The Heavens; And His Blessed Mother ISHTAR, Also Known As Ashteroth, Aphrodites, Ashdar, Dina, Nuntud, And In Ancient Egypt Isis Whose Husband Was Osiris, Another Name For Dammuzi. It Was Another Name For Yashua (Jesus) Whose Galactical Nam e Is SANANDA And Whose Ancient Name Is TAMMUZ The Name TAMMUZ Can Be Found In The Ancient Tablets Called " Tammuz And Ishtar" In Cuneiform. Tammuz Is The Name Of An Ancient Sumerian Deity Whose Name Is Mentioned In The Akkadian Tablets Also, Tammuz's Nam e Can Be Found In The Old Testament In Ezekiel 8:14.

TAMMUZ Was Known By The Babylonians As Dumuzi, But That Was His Father's Name, Which They Say Means " God Of Pastures And Flocks" Of Subterranean Water And Vegetation. TAMMUZ Was Originally A Disagreeable ELOHIM As Found In The Ancient Tablets Of The Atra Hasis And The Enuma Elish Where The ELOHIM Are Referred To As The ANUNNAQI. He Was The Son Of ISHTAR And Dummuzi And He Was Called ADONIS, Which Is Where The Hebrew Israelites Or Jews Get The Name ADONAI (Exodus 4:10) And I Qu ote: " And Moses Said To Yahweh Adonai: " Oh My Yahweh, I Am Not Eloquent, Neither Heretofore, Nor Since Thou Has Spoken Unto Thy Servant: But I Am Slow Of Speech, And Of A Slow Tongue." It Is Obvious That Mosses Is Talking To His And Their God And Refer s To Him As ADONAI. Which Was TAMMUZ'S Personal Mname In Judges 3:25 It States; " And. Behold Their Lord (Was) Fallen Down Dead On The Earth. The Word They Used Here Was ADOWN Meaning " Lord, Master" Which Proves That The ADONAI Is A Physical Person And ADONIS Can Die- The Phoenician And Greek ADONIS, The Hebrew ADONAI, And To The People Of Frug- Gee'a (Phrygia) Attis, And Other Well Known Types Of " Dying Sons" Of Mother Earth. The Worship Of Tammuz In Babylonia And Those Adjacent Lands To Which It Spr ead Was A Cult Of Sorrow, Death And Resurrection. The Name Tammuz Is Sumerian And Means The "Sprout Forth As A Faithful Son", Where You Get Your "Son Of God" Concept (Mathew 3:17) Dammuzi. So Tammuz Was The Son Of ENLIL, The Son Of ANU. The Ancient Eg yptians Called ANU "HU" Meaning "Creative Will" All Of The Egyptian Culture Comes From Beyond The Stars. They As A Group Are Called ANUNNAQI. The Bible Calls Them ELOHIMYashua (Jesus) Was One Of These ELOHIM Called ELOH Or Allah , Son Of An Allah, Or EL OH, ENLIL, Son Of The Supreme Being ANU. Gabriel, Whose ANUNNAQI Name is Nusku Was Under ENLIL From The Ranks Of Those Selected ELOHIM ( ) Called The Arch Angels, Seven In All: 1. Micha'el 2. Gabri'el 3. Uria'el 4. Izraafi'el 5. Izraa'el 6. Uzzi'el 7. Zamar'el. The Very First Was MICHA'EL Who Was Known As MURDUK, Having 50 Attributes. He Gave Birth To The Concept Of One God And Gave All The Praise To ANU. He Was Appointed Over All The Gods, And He Named All Of Them MURDUK. He Was Taught By ANU. H e Was The Son Of ENQI, ANU'S Other Son; Yet He Took Rule Over All The Universes And Restored IT Back To ANU By Establishing The One God Teachings And That Was ANU. All Of These Names End With EL And Another Name For El Is ANU Which Means Above, On High , The Highest One And Also "Ana" Or I Am. Thus Gabri'el Merely Brought The Holy Spirit Or The Seed To Be Artificially Inseminated Into Mary. Yes We're Talking Cloning, CRYOGENICS, A frozen Gene Of The Adonis Placed Into Mary. Tammuz Called The Sun God , Also Named Dumu-Zi After His Father Became The One Appointed By ANU The Most High God Over The Planet Earth El Aliya The 36Th Attribute Or ELYON.

After Adam And Eve Disobeyed An ELOHIM Named Kalkael, Also Called Uriel, One Of The 24 Elders In The Enclosed Garden Of Delight. Which Translates " He Who Is Of The Elohim" Genesis 3:6-13 This Adam Became As One Of The ELOHIM (Genesis 3:22). And I Quote: "And The Lord God Said, Behold, The Man Is Become As One Of Us. To Know Good And Evil". When Man Disobeyed Kalkael, Which Was The Name Of The Head Of The 24 Elders Or ELOHIM In The Garden Of Delight, And Ate Of The Fruit A fter They Were Commanded Not To In Genesis 3:3, They Were Cast Out Of The Garden In Genesis 3:25 And I Quote: " And Now, Lest He Put Forth His Hand, And Take Also Of The Tree Of Life, And Eat, And Live Forever." Thus Adam, Eve And Their Descendants Were Cut Off And No Longer Allowed To Communicate With All The ELOHIM. Meaning More Than One ELOH, Nor With ANU The Most High. But Now They Could Only Communicate Through One ELOH, Which is An ELOHIM Who Was Appointed Out Of The 24 Elders Responsible For Hum an Beings And That They Should Have No Other Being Besides Him. He Was A YAHWEH (Genesis 4:25-26). This One ELOH Was Called In The Ancient Tablets Of Which The Bible Comes, Tammuz. He Was Also Called "The Spirit Of God " (Genesis 6:3) And I Quote "And T he Lord Said, My Spirit Shall Not Always Strive With Man, For That He Also Is Flesh; Yet His Days Shall Be A Hundred And Twenty Years". And Again Yashua (Jesus) Makes A Statement In John 8:58 And I Quote: "Yashua (Jesus) Said Unto Them, Verily, Verily, I Say Unto You, Before Abraham Was, I Am." This Clearly States That Yashua (Jesus) Existed Before Judaism, Christianity, Or Islam And Abraham, Whose Real Name Was Abram, Followed The Religion Of The Original CANAANITES Which Was The Doctrine Of The Tablet s Of The Enuma Elish And The Gilgamesh Epics And The "El" As Well As "Baal" , Until Abraham Met With MURDOQ (MURDUK) The ANUNNAQI Son Of ENQL, Brother Of ENLIL, Also Called Melchisedek In Genesis 14:18 Who Taught Abraham Millatu Ibrahim Or The Worship Of What Verse 18 Calls The Most High God " Elyown El" Who Was MURDUK'S Grandfather Called ANU; The Heavenly father Whom Yashua (Jesus) Commanded All To Worship In This Manner According To Mathew "Our Father Who according to Matthew " Our Father Who A rt In Heaven..." Thus He Is The Only Connection Between Man And The ELOHIM, Which Ties Into The New Testament In John 14:6. The Word Used In The Above Quote For "The Way" Is Hodos(greek) Meaning " Way, Highway Journey". Tammuz Was Converted Into Being A n Agreeable ELOHIM. Tammuz Was Captured By The ELOHIM ENUNGI And The Scientist NERGAL - One Of The Sons Of ANU Who Was The Master Of The Underworld And Tammuz Was Taken Because The ANUNNAQI (Elohim) Wanted To Convert Him From Disagreeable To Agreeable. His Mother Broke Through The 7 Seals To Get To The Inner City Agharta In Order To Get Her Son Back And Stop What Was About To Happen. Ishtar Was Captured By Arishkegal, The Wife Of Nergal Who Was Also A Scientist. And Imprisoned Her. However, Ishtar Us ed Tammuz As Her Alibi And Released Enqi From The KURNUGI, The Prison In The Underworld. When The ELOHIM Of Agharta (Esharra) Converted Tammuz To An Agreeable He Was Assigned To Oversee You As Your YAHWEH (Lord) Or ELOH For 6,000 Years. Thus, He Became The master of Agreeable (Good) And Disagreeable (Evil). Tammuz Is The Name Of A Babylonian Being Who Corresponds To The Egyptian Osiris. He Is Also A YAHWEH Because YAHWEHS In The Plural Are ELOHIM And Under The Great "Most High" Called "Al" Or "Alyuwn" (Elyon) The Deity That MELCHISEDEK Taught To Abraham In Genesis 14:18 These Are The Actual Facts. Don't Believe Me Check Them Out. From This You Get Your Father ANU, Son ENLIL, Incarnated Holy Ghost TAMMUZ, And Blessed Mother ISHTAR Which Later Took A Change To The Present Day Religious Concepts. This Is Right Knowledge For Those Children Of The ELOHIM Called The ANUNNAQI, Meaning Those Who ANU Sent To QI (Earth) In 50's. These Seeds, Meaning Some Of You, Seek To Know The Facts About Where You Come From? Why Are You Here? Are You Ever Going Home? Who Put You, Or Created You Here? You Keep Looking To The Stars. You Know That The U.F.O.'S Are Real. If This Is You Then You're A Child Of The ELOHIM, Who Wish To Be Lifted From The Spell Of Blind F aith And Silly Beliefs, Who Want To Be A Part Of The All-Intelligent And All-Knowing.

In Reality This Is Not A Bible Or A Koranic Concept, For The God YAHWEN (Aramic Hebrew), Or THE Gods ELOHIM (Akkadian Babylonian) Or Even Theh-Os (Greek Idonian) Or ALLAH (Ashuric Arabic) And That The God Of These Scriptures- Ol d Testament, New Testament And The Koran Asked Questions Like These: "Who Did This Or That (Genesis 3:11; 13)? Where Is He Or She (Genesis , )? Don't Bind Partners With Me (Exodus 2:3). I Am Jealous (Exodus 20:5); He Was Grieved To His Heart (Ge nesis 6:6) Who Told You, You Were Naked (Genesis 3:11). Nor Did He Know That Ibliys In The Koran 2:34, Who Was One Of The Many Angels Was Not Going To Bow Down."

The Bible And Koranic Concept Of God Was Created In The Hearts And Minds Of Their Authors, And As These Authors Became Authentic, And Within The Pages Of Their Documents Called Scriptures, God Was Born. In English It Simply Mean s Good; Go-D The Jews Write It Like G -D.

They Took The Names: 1. Al 2. El 3 Elyon 4. Yehweh 5. Elohim 6. Adonai 7. El Shadai 8. El Roi 9. El Olam 10. El Berith 11. Hadad 12. Rab 13. Rabb 14. Eloh 15. Allah 16. Rahman 17 Ilah 18.Allahuma 19. Aba 20. Baal 21. Ashtoreth 22. Tammuz.

The Greek Make Their Names Up From The Hindu's Names Such As: Christ From Krishna. Then You Have Thehos From The Word Those. Then you Have Aylee From The Most High, Aly; In Hebrew And Arabic-Ali. Then You Have The Word Kurious -Master, Lord. Hu Taken From The Ancient Egyptians Who Got It From The Sumerians Means The Force Of Creative Will. The Word "Sea" In The Bible Comes From A Sumerian God Yam And The Word Sun Comes From A Sumerian God Shamash; Din Or Diyn They Use For Rel igion Which Really Means Judgement. The Word "Diyn" In The Bible And The Koran Comes From The Sumerian Female Deity Dina, Dinah. This Was That Same One ISHTAR. The Very Word God Itself Comes From The Bible Name Of The Seventh Son Of Jacob Called Gad Pr onounced Gawd (Genesis 30:11) Which Would Be God And Means A Troop Which Would Be A Group Of Beings. And From It Came The God Symbolic Letters Of G (Gomer, Wisdom) O (Oz, Strength) And D (Dabar, Beauty) Which Became Got In Dutch, Gott In German, Gudd Inn Danish. And Then You Get Your Om For Omnipotent, Omnipotency, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omnipresent, Omniscient,Omnisciency, Omniscience; All Of Them Coming From The Ancient Name AUM, In Hinduism, A Mantra Characterizing The Supreme Power And Used In F ormal Worship To Invoke BRAHMA. Put Together The Got Jabalum, Ja=Jehovah, Bal=Baal Adad And Om=Aum. Then In Modern Times You Get A Host Of Names That Came From The One Name Zeus. When You Combine The Modern Form Of The Hebrew Y To Get The Latin J And T hen Add It To The Word Zeus-You Get Ja-Zeus Which Is Short For Yashua (Jesus) And From The Zeus You Got The Word Souse And Then It Became A Deity From Which Comes: Deus In Portuguese, Dieu In French, Dio In Italian, Dios In Spanish, Dia In Scotch And Iris h; And Duw In Welsh. Every Day New Names Are Being Added. God Is " Anyone" Or " Thing" In Control Of Other Beings Or Things. This Kind Of God Who Referred To As We, Us, And I In The Scriptures, Yet Taught As A Single One God Cannot Not And Is Not The A ll. Nor Can It make You The All, "For Ye Are Gods" As Psalm 82:6 States And John 10:34 Supports It Stating "...Is It Not Written In Your Laws, I said, Ye Are Gods?" All Things Are In The Heavens. So If Your God Is In Heaven Then He Or It Is Inside Some thing Or Place (Psalm 14: 1-2). This Yehweh Looked Down From Inside Heaven, Then Heaven Is Bigger Than Him, He Is Not The ALL. He Is In The ALL, You Are Not The Source Of All Things In The Source; For It Reads, " And All Of You Are The Children Of The Mo st High", It's The Arrow Tip That Takes The Life, So It Becomes The God Over Death. It's The Sperm And Ovum Meeting For Procreation That Give New Life, So It Becomes God Over Life. The nourishment That Controls Food For The Health Is God Of Health And T he Bacteria That controls Sickness Is God OF Sickness. Thus You Can Say: I AM THAT I AM Exodus 3:14


Yet, The All could Not Say I Am That I Am, Only A Being Trapped In: 1. Person 2. Places 3. Things
Would Be bound By The Law I Am, For To Be An I Am Is Not To Be A He Is Or She Is, Or They Are, Or We Are. To Be An I Am, Is Not To Be The Total Or The All. All Of Us, As Children Of The Theh-Os (Elohim) Individually, Are I Am That I Am. Yet, Together We Become We, Us, "Ye Are Gods", The Children Of The Most High Al Alyuwn Aly, Elyown Elyown El-All Within Al Kuluwm, The All Guard Yourself, That You Don't Get A God Complex.

THIS INFORMATION WAS TAKEN FROM THE HOLY TABERNACLE FAMILY GUIDE, AUTHORED BY DR MALACHI Z. YORK.

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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139. "a nuwaubian prayer."
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taken from:http://www2.gsu.edu/~phpgls/affirm.htm

The Sacred Affirmation
This Affirmation is to be memorized and repeated as a sacred ritual by every child of The Elohim three times a day.
1. Upon rising from rest

2. Midday

3. Before going to rest

BEGIN ALL PRAYERS AND THINKING BY USING EL KULUWM-THE ALL

I AM IN THE LOVE OF THE ALL

AND ALL LOVE IS IN ME,

I AM A PART OF THE ALL

AND THE ALL IS A PART OF ME,

I AM ONE WITH THE ALL

AND THE ALL IS ONE WITH ME,

I CAN SUCCEED AS A PART OF THE ALL,

AND FAIL AS AN INDIVIDUAL

I CAN BE ALL THAT I WISH IN THE ALL

AS LONG AS MY WISH IS TO

STAY IN THE ALL

I AM NEVER ALONE!

THE ALL IS - I AM,

THE ALL CAN - I CAN

THE ALL DOES - I DO.

THE HOLY TABLETS Chapter 2 - Tablet 3

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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141. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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ok. post#10 takes us to a link that describes who malachi z. york is. now, this link: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/4978/york.html, has the same info, but continues from there..............:


It later goes on to say on page 28-29(in part):
"Ques: Do You Have Proof Of This?

Ans: The proof appears in my writings. The facts and names of people that have never been known in historical calculation, In calendar , times and places that are so detailed that it could not have been fabricated . I feel sorry for the people who sit around and think I have the power to fabricate all of these things. If I did I would probably spend my time writing movies as opposed to trying to raise the lost souls.

I don’t sit around and make these things up. These are distinct personalities of people or beings, Who have lived in the past or in other galaxies inter-dimensional at this time called "NOW" who incarnated into me and they relay their messages through me to you. That is what makes me different from most people. I Am Not A Religious Man. I Am Just A Teacher. I have been saying this for many years. I am not saying that I am anything special as an individual. I am saying that these power comes through me and they are distinct beings.

I possessed a number of eight distinctive personalities, There are others. Each one of them represents a certain amount of information that must be conveyed in these last days and times. Some of their jobs are finished, I don’t hear them anymore. Some of them represents spirituality, Some of them are healers, historians, Great men and some of them accompanied great men or are Extra-Terrestrial beings. Often times people have misinterpreted my characters by this and have made up their own interpretations of who they thought I was."

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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143. "wordz from a "z. york" hater"
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taken from:http://illuminopolis.hypermart.net/yorkiec.html

kas19, if you want to argue w/ someone, this is that someone.

For some weird reason, I have not received mail from Malachi in months. He even said that He told all Nuwaubian not to talk to me, I heard that he asked people on Kodesh opps I mean Mt. Paran, opps I mean Wahanee, opps I mean Tama-Re. Whatever 404 Shady Dale Road. Eatonton Ga. "where is GTO MESSIAH?" too bad people do not know that GTO is not welcomed on 404 Shady Dale Road by the request of Malachi Himself-. So I wonder why he would be sending me some mail. When I checkout the title of the Email, I started to smirk. As I read it the Email, I started to giggle, and when I downloaded the picture, I stared to Laugh like crazy. Malachi York wrote this.

Subj.: Tibetan Monks bless Egypt of the West
Date: 9/19/98 5:41:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: MYork33687
For 3 days we were visited by Tibetan monks and their entourage, who prayed, chanted and performed ancient rituals around the Maguraj on Egypt of the West as a purification ceremony against evil. It was beautiful to hear them chant Om with the Om coming from the pyramid, as people sat in circles and chanted you could feel the positive energy and the negative leaving. So if you are negative please stay away and we are happy that so many negative people have left and now we know why. This was an event that you should not have missed.
end email.

To a lot of Nuwaubians who don't study, they might not be firmer with the origin of the things that York is mentioning here, For example. What is a Tibetan Monk? Doesn't Brad Pitt have a movie to do with them? Chanting Om? A lot of Nuwubians refuse to see the many contradictions in the teachings of Malachi .Z York. York tried to make it sound like it was real spiritual because he had Tibetan monks wanted to come to 404 Shady Dale road? Do these Monks real know who Malachi Z. York is? Do they know that Malachi York ,who is the Author of the Holy Tablets said in the Holy Tablets that They were ignorante?

Holy Tablets - 6 :16: 254 "And I weeped for those gowned in ignorance, beardless though they be Muslims, Christians, Jews, and the likes of Zoroastrians, Buddhists. Or whatever."


In this verse he just called Buddhist Ignorant but yet he makes it a big deal and says that they bring "positive energy" when they come to 404 Shady Dale Rd. York you are so two faced, (or 19 faced (~*~) because you say one thing but do another and teach one thing then act like you don't. What if I was to inform those Buddhist Monks about your real feelings on Buddhism( Buddah is Sanskrit for Enlightened) and let see how much clout you got with them at that point, pops.

Tibetan Buddhism ,which happens to be a religion (something that York so despises) derived from the Indian Mahayana form of Buddhism and prevailing in Tibet, Bhutan, Sikkim, Mongolia, and parts of Siberia and SW China. Much of its ritual is based on Tantra and on Bon shamanism, a primitive Tibetan religion. Tradition has it that Buddhism was introduced into Tibet in the 7th-8th cent. A.D. Buddhist texts and commentaries were later translated from the Sanskrit. (Make not that York calls Sanskrit the script of the demons) Suppressed at first by the Bon shamans, the new faith was reformed in the 11th cent. by an Indian monk, Atisa, founder of the Kadampa sect. The 13th cent. brought rule by the Sas-Kya abbots, chosen by Kublai Khan. Ensuing corruption led to the much-needed reforms of the Yellow Hat sect (14th-15th cent.). In 1641 a ruling Mongol prince granted temporal and spiritual control over all Tibet to the fifth grand lama , the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama soon became the temporal leader of Tibet, and spiritual supremacy resided with the chief abbot of the Zhaxilhünbo monastery near Xigazê, known as the Panchen Lama. Succession to either position is said to depend on direct reincarnation. Dedicated Tibetan Buddhists seek Nirvana, (Make note that York consideres nirvana to be the original home of disagreable demons) but the popular religion retains shamanistic elements and includes hymns and prayers and the worship of many spirits.

Nirvana comes from the Sanskrit word nirvâNam, which means "a blowing out, extinction," nirvana : nis-, nir-, out, away + vâti, it blows. Nirvana, in Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism, is a state of supreme bliss; liberation from suffering and from samsara, one's bondage to the repeating cycle of death and rebirth, which is brought about by desire. Nirvana is attainable in life through moral discipline and the practice of yoga, leading to the extinction of all attachment and ignorance.

Yoga, which also comes from Sanskrit, means union. Yoga is the general term for spiritual disciplines, followed for centuries by devotees of both Hinduism and Buddhism, to attain higher consciousness and liberation from ignorance, suffering, and rebirth. It is also the name of one of the six orthodox systems of Indian philosophy. Raja yoga royal yoga was expounded by Patanjali (2d cent. B.C.), who divided the practice into eight stages, the highest of which is samadhi, or identification of the individual consciousness with the Godhead. Hindu tradition in general recognizes three main types of yoga: jnana yoga, the path of wisdom and discrimination; bhakti yoga, the path of love and devotion to a personal God; and karma yoga, the path of selfless action. Hatha yoga, widely practiced in the West, emphasizes physical control and postures. Kundalin yoga, associated with Tantra ( Sanskrit for doctrine), is based on the physiology of the "subtle body." It attempts to open centers of psychic energy called chakras (another Sanskrit word meaning Circle or Wheel), said to be located along the spinal column, and to activate the kundalini (another Sanskrit word meaning Coil ) a force located at the base of the spine. Yoga is usually practiced under the guidance of a guru, or spiritual teacher. Contemporary systems of yoga stress attaining spiritual realization without withdrawing from the world, as the older traditions taught

In 1959, following the Tibetan revolt against the Chinese, the 14th Dalai Lama went into exile in India. The Chinese installed the Panchen Lama (d. 1989) in his place as ruler, and repressed Buddhism in Tibet. Since the 1980s, however, there has been greater tolerance of religious practice in Tibet, although the Chinese government rejected the boy who was confirmed (1995) by the Dalai Lama as the new Panchen Lama and forced the selection of a different boy.

And By the way OM is also from Sanskrit, The language York calls the Language of the Demons Om is the supreme and most sacred syllable,according to Hindus and Buddhist consisting in Sanskrit of the three sounds (a), (u), and (m), representing various fundamental triads and believed to be the spoken essence of the universe. It is uttered as a mantra and in affirmations and blessings.

Questions?
1)Why would York be so happy that people that he considers ignorant are on his land?

2)Why would York call the Monks visiting his land brought "positive energy" but at the same time say that the origin of their religion is based on teachings from people who he calls Demons?

York is such a hypocrite. If only those nice harmless Tibetan Monks knew who York really was.

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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145. "RE: wordz from a "z. york" hater"
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i am impressed with the depth of knowledge that is displayed here. this is expliary of a true scholar. inshaallah, you will be blessed for your transmission of the secrets of thius world into another life, so that ignorance doesnot remain a prevasive force.

ma'salaam.
asad jahari shariff abd al-rahman ibn khaldun

  

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148. "a yahoo "search".............."
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.........can yield all types of results. try it and see.
so, scholar, i am not. but seeker and purveyor of truth, i am.

the true power, however, lies in and w/ Allah (swt).
w/o Him, none of this would be possible.
alhamdulillahi rabbil 'aalameen!!!!!!

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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147. "RE: wordz from a "z. york" hater"
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so what?you have nuwaubians that are ignorant.your point being.....

  

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HTP

(*Disclaimer- Don't assume that I support or deny all of York's teaching because of this post just accept this as a rebuttal the York-hater's response from one who has no allegiance to Doc York.)

York is still justified in his support of the Tibetan monks.

When one does a history of Buddhism and Hinduism (as Buddhism evolved within the vortex of Hindu beliefs), one finds original teachings perverted and filtered through non-original beliefs. The Buddhism was somewhat of a reverberation of ancient teachings as Hinduism was aryan/indo-european distortion of the original teachings of the Dravidians. Sanskrit was the language of the aryan invaders. However the word-sound "Om" or a-u-m be seen in traditions OLDER than Buddhism, Hinduism and Aryans altogether. "AMEN," "AMENTA," etc all concepts from KMT. Nuff said.

See the following links from "WALKING DESTRUCTION" for more details:

http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/2622.html#35
http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/2622.html#36

The York-hater should come tighter next time and use his/her emotions wisely.

PEace
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203. "The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India"
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http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html

By David Frawley

"One of the main ideas used to interpret and generally devalue the ancient history of India is the theory of the Aryan invasion. According to this account, India was invaded and conquered by nomadic light-skinned Indo-European tribes from Central Asia around 1500-100 BC, who overthrew an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian civilization from which they took most of what later became Hindu culture. This so-called pre-Aryan civilization is said to be evidenced by the large urban ruins of what has been called the "Indus valley culture" (as most of its initial sites were on the Indus river). The war between the powers of light and darkness, a prevalent idea in ancient Aryan Vedic scriptures, was thus interpreted to refer to this war between light and dark skinned peoples. The Aryan invasion theory thus turned the "Vedas", the original scriptures of ancient India and the Indo-Aryans, into little more than primitive poems of uncivilized plunderers."


full text can be read at:
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207. "Dravidian vs. "Aryan""
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Excerpts from "THE AFRICAN PRESENCE IN INDIA" by Runoko Rashidi at
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/india.html


"Exceptionally valuable writings reflecting close relationships between Africa and early India have existed for more than two thousand years. In the first century B.C.E., for example, the famous Greek historian Diodorus Siculus penned that, "From Ethiopia he (Osiris) passed through Arabia, bordering upon the Red Sea as far as India.... He built many cities in India, one of which he called Nysa, willing to have remembrance of that (Nysa) in Egypt, where he was brought up.""

"In Greater India, more than a thousand years before the foundations of Greece and Rome, proud and industrious Black men and women known as Dravidians erected a powerful civilization. We are referring here to the Indus Valley civilization- -India's earliest high-culture, with major cities spread out along the course of the Indus River. The Indus Valley civilization was at its height from about 2200 B.C.E. to 1700 B.C.E. This phase of its history is called the Harappan, the name being derived from Harappa, one of the earliest known Indus Valley cities."


"It is safe to say that when we speak of the Dravidians as a people we are speaking of the living descendants of the Harappan people of the ancient Indus Valley who were pushed into South India as the result of the Aryan invasions. This is certainly consistent with Dravidian traditions which recall flourishing cities that were either lost or destroyed in antiquity. The term "Dravidian," however, encompasses both an ethnic group and a linguistic group. The ethnic group is characterized by straight to wavy hair textures, combined with Africoid physical features. In reference to this Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop stated that:

"There are two well-defined Black races: one has a black skin and woolly hair; the other also has black skin, often exceptionally black, with straight hair, aquiline nose, thin lips, an acute cheekbone angle. We find a prototype of this race in India: the Dravidian. It is also known that certain Nubians likewise belong to the same Negro type...Thus, it is inexact, anti-scientific, to do anthropological research, encounter a Dravidian type, and then conclude that the Negro type is absent."

Dravidian, in addition to its ethnic component, however, is an important family of languages spoken by more than a hundred million people, primarily in South India. These languages include Tamil (the largest element), Kannada, Malayalam (from which the name of the Asian country Malaya is derived), Telegu and Tulu. The term "Dravidian" itself is apparently an Aryan corruption of Tamil.

From at least the third century C.E. three major Dravidian kingdoms existed in South India: the kingdoms of Pandya, Chera and Chola. Pandya was the southernmost Dravidian kingdom. The major city of Pandya was Madurai, the location of the famous chapel of the Tamil Sangam (Academy). The Sangam, of which there were three, was initiated by a body of forty-eight exceptionally learned scholars who established standards over all literary productions. The Pandyan rulers received these intellectuals with lavish honors.

It is also important to note that in the kingdom of the Pandyas women seem to have enjoyed a high status. This is the exact opposite of the regions of India where the Whites ruled. In these lands of Aryan domination it is said that a woman was never independent. "When she is a child she belongs to her father. As an adult when she marries she belongs to her husband. If she outlives her husband she belongs to her sons." An early queen of the Pandyas, on the other hand, for example, is credited with controlling an army of 500 elephants, 4,000 cavalry and 13,000 infantry."

"It seems readily apparent that the Dravidian kingdoms and the Dravidian people were quite well known internationally. When Augustus became head of the Roman world, for example, the Dravidian kingdoms sent him a congratulatory embassy. Dravidian poets describe Roman ships, which carried bodyguards of archers to ward off pirates, while the Dravidian kings themselves employed bodyguards of Roman soldiers. In respect to the ancient East, at least one author has identified a Dravidian presence in the Philippines, noting that: "From India came civilized Indians, the Dravidians from whom the savage Aryans learned. They began at least 500 BC and soon controlled the coast.""

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Fri May-25-01 06:42 PM

  
211. "RE: Dravidian vs. "Aryan""
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Indus Khamit-Kush?

  

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144. "we had a black president, yall..............."
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........and didnt even know it. how dare those white folk pull the wool over our eyes for so long. it is imperative that we know what history we had in building this beautiful and wonderful country.-abduhu

more hate from the same hater.
http://illuminopolis.hypermart.net/jhanson.html

this one is too intricate to copy and paste, so you have to go to the link and read it. but, ill give a snipet here:


For about a year, publications of the HTMers known as the "Nuwaubian Moors Newsletter" has published infomation concerning John Hanson., the first president of The Continental Congress. In one of the Newsletters Edition1 Volume 16, headlined " The First President Of The United States Was A "Black" Man, A Moor". the Staff Writer ( who remains unknown) states facts concerning that John Hanson was the first president of the Unided States..This information can be found in numerious documents as well as onlibne information . BUT .. The staff writer made a mistake when they placed a picture of a Black man whom they got off the internet and said that he was "Fig. 4 John Hanson, the First president of the United States was a moor". Let me break it down like this. The picture of that "black man" that you see on the cover of the newsletter is name John Hanson....He was another John Hanson, not the one who was President of the Continental Congress.I will present to you Facts, proveing that that photo is not a phot of the John Hanson that you think it is.

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Wed May-23-01 05:05 AM

  
149. "RE: we had a black president, yall..............."
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if you are in fact telling the truth,why don't you get in contact with doc and let them know about their error?are you really about spreading truth or are you just here to nit-pick since you STILL haven't come up with anything.

  

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146. "May 5, 2000........"
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.............and the description of what DIDNT HAPPEN then.

once again, too complex. so goto:http://illuminopolis.hypermart.net/552000.html

and once again, a snipet:

There Are All Kinds Of Natural Disasters happening On Your Planet Everyday. On One Particular Day, Which Is May 5, 2000 A.D., Which Is Also The Next Alignment Of The Major Planets, The Earth, Mars, Jupiter And Saturn; On This Day, There Will Be Catastrophes Taking Place All Over The World. There Will Be Building Up To It, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Avalanches, Earthquakes, Volcano Eruptions, Tidal Waves, Blizzards, Etc.

Taken From "The Year 2,000 And What To Expect," scroll #156, Page 399 (in part) By Dr. Malachi Z. York.

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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150. ""I AM" plagarized by YORK"
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same status, no copy and paste. so heres the link:http://illuminopolis.hypermart.net/IAM.html

A SNIPET:

There is a map in circulation around the United Nuwaubian Naiton of Moors that can be purchased in their book stores call "I AM AMERICA". Malachi Z. York, President of the U.N.N.M said that it is a map that every Nuwaubian should possess because the map displays the "exact location" of the opening of a vortex that he claims is going to open in the years 2000 . To many of the members of the U.N.N.M, all York has to do is say something and they will believe it without doing reasearch. But to their suprise , there is a lot of things about this "I AM AMERICA" map that York seems to be keeping quiet to a lot of his followers.

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Wed May-23-01 06:16 AM

  
152. "RE: "I AM" plagarized by YORK"
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did doc ever say that the map was produced by the u.n.n.m exclusively?how is it that we already know that the map was put together by a native american woman who had visions of the natural disasters that would soon take place?he told us.he never claimed it as his own.he simply said we should all possess one.

  

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151. "Illiyuwn? Lets be "Sirius"."
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the link: http://illuminopolis.hypermart.net/illiyuwm.html

the snipet: In a lot of Nuwaubian publications, Malachi York teaches that there were 19 Galaxies in our universe and that the 19th galaxy was called "Illiyuwn". But in the most recent issue of the Nuwaubian Newsletter titled Character Assassination. The Nuwaubian staff writer tries to make a rebuttal to a statements made by some guy named Nick Roberts who wrote an article titled Nuwaubian Campus presence Arouses Interest of Students. In the Nuwaubian staff writer's rebuttal, the subject of the 19th galaxy came up. Let me give you a little summery on what Nuwaubians says Illiyuwn is. In York's book Mission Earth and the Extraterrestrial Involvement Scroll # 82 on page 5, York says that "Illiyuwn is the 19th galaxy and it means "On High". On page 10 of the same book, York says, "Illiyuwn has 3 suns, UTU, SHAMASH and APSU; 38 Moons and 19 Planets".

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Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Wed May-23-01 06:21 AM

  
153. "RE: Illiyuwn? Lets be "Sirius"."
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i'm glad to see your doing some reseach.keep up the good work.by the time your finished,i hope you have a better overstanding of what he's trying to teach.you refute everything he says,but you stay away from "360 questions to ask a sunni muslim",why?remember,YOUR supposed to have the truth,so let's see if it can stand to be questioned like you question him.

  

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154. ""360 questions to ask a sunni muslim""
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>i'm glad to see your doing
>some reseach.
what research?
all i did was goto www.yahoo.com, and type in "malachi z. york".
that is, unless you were being facetious.

>keep up the good
>work.
will do.

by the time your finished,i
>hope you have a better
>overstanding of what he's trying
>to teach.
im not focusing oN what he teaches, but the result.

>you refute everything he
>says,
i have not refuted anything.
i only presented those who did. and like i said for the umpteenth time: ahhh, forget it.

but you stay away from
>"360 questions to ask a
>sunni muslim",why?remember,YOUR supposed to have
>the truth,so let's see if
>it can stand to be
>questioned like you question him.

where are they?
i told you b4, i dont have that scroll.
ya know some?
post em then, and stop hoarding that "right knowledge"!!!!!


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Wed May-23-01 09:36 AM

  
156. "RE: "360 questions to ask a sunni muslim""
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ques.1
can you explain the origins of hajj?namely,did the act of pilgrimage(which each muslim should do atleast once)originate in islam itself?if not,where did it originate?

ques.2

since muhammad is an upright figure and an example for all men,is it o.k. for muslim men to marry children?reguardless of how smart the child maybe.this question wasn't answered before.

  

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155. "his official web page"
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http://www.egiptianmysteries.com/
visit, b4 you cant. i tried earlier this week, and it gave me some sort of name and password crap.

Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Wed May-23-01 09:54 AM

  
157. "r u kiddin me?"
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I already been to this page a while ago and I must say, the pictures of York on this page are some of the most horrible examples of Adobe Photoshop plug-ins I have ever seen.

On a more serious note, it is quite interesting that York is still claiming he is related to As Sayyid Haadi Abdur Rahman al Mahdi of Sudan, even after the entire family denied this. Also, it is a little surprising that York is OPENLY saying he is with the Shriners and Freemasons.

One last thing though, does this picture remind anyone of the X Clan from the Xodus album? http://www.egiptianmysteries.com/authors%20images/for_doc_page.jpg
Just curious.

  

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KAS19

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160. "RE: r u kiddin me?"
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as far as the maahdi's renouncing him thats the first i've heard.
is everyone that's a part of a masonic order bad?it's not the info that's bad,it's what you do with it.did you know muhammad was a shriner?i guess not.the bible and koraan are filled with references such as "noble",or "prophet",and "honorable" which denoted the degrees they completed.but i suppose you already know all about freemasonry.sad.

  

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158. "membership application"
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p.s.: kas, i aint nobody forgot about you and the questions, or trying to avoid answering them.
its just that right now, I GOT OTHER FISH TO FRY.

http://www.egiptianmysteries.com/pre-app.htm

snipet:You are living in a day and time where what you thought was the truth is failing. The things that you believed in are being proven wrong by scientists breaking into tombs and uncovering long buried secrets. Are you ready for the truth... for the realities... for the facts? Or do you wish to dwell in the blinding light of ignorance? Are you willing to go on with blind faith and blind beliefs, or are you strong enough in your character to face that you have been misguided and step into a new frontier of facts about the conscious and the subsconcious you, the three principles, MIND, SOUL and SPIRIT of you.


If you are ready then enter through the pylons of time and arrive back in Ancient Tama-Re, Egypt Of The West Under Our Own Pharaoh NETER: A'aferti Atum-Re Also called Malachi York, and sit amongst the Egiptian Priest, as all the greats of this world have done. All the Romans, All the Greeks, Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Canaanites, Hebrews have all borrowed from the Egiptian Mysteries and became initiates in the sacred orders. And either gave birth or changed the egiptian deities into their own, claiming their greatness. Are you ready to take this journey from then to now with THE ANCIENT EGIPTIAN ORDER?....................

............After Acceptance Into The Ancient Egiptian Order Revelations Are As Follows:

$9.00 per Revelation

kas, exactly how does "$9.00 per Revelation" work?


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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Wed May-23-01 10:17 AM

  
161. "RE: membership application"
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if you didn't know,nothing is free.paper cost money and so does manpower.nuff said.why,is $9 too much for you?

  

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168. "tsk, tsk."
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>if you didn't know,nothing is free.
everybody know nothing is free.
HOW CAN YOU CHARGE SOMEBODY SOMETHING FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!
ARE YOU TRYING TO PULL SOME "RIGHT KNOWLEDGE" ON ME OR SOMETHING?
PLAYING WORD GAMZ WILL NOT GET YOU TO A CERTAIN PLACE WITH ME


paper
>cost money and so does
>manpower.nuff said.
like i said, it depends on where youre at in the process.
yeah paper costs money, and so does manpower. but TIME dont cost nothing.

>if you didn't know,nothing is free.
says who?
>cost money and so does
>manpower.nuff said
why,is $9 too much
>for you?
yo kas, remember me saying:"kas, exactly how does "$9.00 per Revelation" work?"

THAT MEANS I DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS! now that youve told me, cool.

and nah, its not too much. im about to pay $6.25 online for the "ansar cult" book, so it couldnt be. but the real question is:
.........how often does "revelation" come?



Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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162. "the big "three" fo' sale!!!!"
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http://www.egiptianmysteries.com/scriptures.htm


MORE SCRIPTURES............
All books are Authored By:

Reverend Dr. Malachi Z. York-El

EL'S HOLY QUR'AAN

The sole purpose of these scriptures is to convey exactly what the Qur'aan says, translated from the original language, with our the opinions. This is intended for anyone who wants to know the unbiased facts about this 1,400 year old scripture in it's pristine purity.

$50.00




EL'S HOLY TORAH

Taken from a complete word for word transliteration from the original Ancient Aramic Hebrew. These translations came about after studying and translating the Atra-Hasis tablets in the original Cuneiform language, the Enuma Elish Tablets and the Akkadian Records. Brought forth to enlighten people on the path to truth about the Bible and the three monotheistic religions.

$50.00



EL'S HOLY TEHILLIM

Get the facts behind the book of Psalms, which had 150 chapters that was given to many different people. El's Tehillim was revealed int he Aramic (Hebrew) language, and was found in the old Testament as a book of songs. Find our the original meaning, why the Rastafarians use this scripture, and who David really was.

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EL'S HOLY INJIYL

El's Holy Injiyl is the most misinterpreted book of the Bible. Find out for yourself the real meaning to its prophetical words, in an easy format that can easily be checked and used for references, and to learn the original language yourself. A must for anyone who wants to start breaking down and uncovering El's Holy Injiyl.

$50.00

man! if a brotha got to pay this much for a "right translation", then i'd rather have "wrong information"!!!!!!!

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i mean really, you can get:
free qu'rans
free bibles
free new testaments
inexpensive qur'ans, bibles, torahs, psalms, etc....practically ANYWHERE!
what makes z. york's editions so expensive and special?
i know they (his editions) are kinda thick like them old grandma bibles, but for real tho', lets be for real tho'.


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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KAS19

Wed May-23-01 10:32 AM

  
166. "RE: the big "three" fo' sale!!!!"
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see,that's your problem.you don't realize that mis-information comes in abundance(mostly for free).inflamation costs.why don't you save some doe and purchase a book?are you that broke?atleast you can say you read it before you talk shit.your whole thought process is backwards.really though,you should read it so you know what your talking about.your dippin and duckin son.your talking about everything and anything(the web-site design,who cares.i know some people who like it.)except for what you have read yourself.

  

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165. "quick question"
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i wanted to know how York can be an alien from another galaxy if he said his father was an Ansaar mulsim?

The info about the tibetan monk event was kinda interesting...how he said they were ignorant and their religion came from demons but at the same time their chanting brought positive energy.

  

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167. "RE: quick question"
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all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything.

  

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172. "RE: quick question"
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Even you agree the so called egiptian mystery site is
"lame ass". Interesting......


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175. "RE: quick question"
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don't put words in my mouth.if i didn't like it i would have said so my self.

  

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159. "$75.00 for a tablet?!?"
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http://www.egiptianmysteries.com/holytablets.htm

The Holy Tablet:$75.00

This Holy Tablet is a scripture that is divinely inspired that will bring about a long overdue change. like a phoenix bird raising out it's ashes, "up you mighty people" come forth like Lazarus for the tomb. This tablet is the food to feed the hunger and to nourish the soul, to give it strength. Rise up, stand up, be counted amongst the people of this world.
This tablet will restore the savor to the salt , that you may spice the whole world. that you may taste the sweet savor, and that you may spice the lives the lives of all that you may come in contact with. for in these pages there is no doubt! It's the true guidance and that you can be sure of! but only those with an inner ear will be able to hear the voice of our heavenly father calling his children to gather on the holy land.

This holy scripture is indeed "THE HOLY TABLETS", which came from the ancient original tablets inscribed in cuneiform, later what became the Torah, which is your holy bible, which yielded many scriptures, old as well as the new testament, and even later the Holy Qur'aan. This by far the greatest of all, for it contains all they were trying to express but couldn't, because they didn't have the whole truth and all the facts.

Within these pages you will find the most knowledgeable information every to exist. Available in hardback, black leatherette with gold foil lettering.

why so much?
and which edition costs 75 beans, yo?
i hope its the " black leatherette with gold foil lettering" one.
does "right knowledge" have to come with such a high price?


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

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163. "RE: $75.00 for a tablet?!?"
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for some people this isn't steep at all.it wasn't for me.or anyone else i know.that's usually what people who are scared of the info say.you need to start buying books on your own and stop wasting time finding peoples lame-ass web sites that are trying to dis him.you can't even see that what you are doing is the worst.you haven't said anything that would sway the weakest nuwaubian.you haven't come up with anything but hearsay.what do you know besides rinky-dink islam?you can't even attack our doctrine.you waste time with insults which could be considered un-islamic by some,ridiculous to others.c'mon man.you can do better.

  

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170. "what insults?"
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>you
>waste time with insults which
>could be considered un-islamic by
>some,ridiculous to others..


what insults?


Allah says in the 2nd surah, Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

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171. "RE: what insults?"
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calling him the biggest liar on this side of some shit you said.there are other insults that are more subtle in the posts.it's aiight though.i personally don't care,it just shows the ignorance level,dat all.

  

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174. "the chattahoochie river......"
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is what i said.

>calling him the biggest liar on
>this side of some shit
>you said.

you know somebody bigger? maybe me perhaps?


start sig
-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apperently, disgruntled by the thread i started, and dissing me for no reason, while defending dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!
what a soldier for the cause!!!

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176. "RE: the chattahoochie river......"
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he can defend himself.you haven't even read enough of his words to say you know anything.trust me,you couldn't piss me off if you wanted to.i deal with self righteous muslims with no facts all the time.they usually turn serious debates into messes like this because they know anything outside of that stale koraan.

  

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179. "RE: the chattahoochie river......"
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I bet you can resist to reply to this messsage.
Your just a bag of hot air yourself. Now go get
one of your reptilian or alien friends to beam
me up. That's what I thought, space ghost worshipper.


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169. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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York is a Rich Slave Maker of the Poor
i.e. a Blood Sucker of the Poor. But
he is no different then some of these
religious blood suckers either that teach
that God is a invisible mystery spook that
lives in the sky.
The Black Man is God. Peace.

>if Allah wills, i plan to
>present several articles and links
>about one of the african
>americans most illustrious, saavy, and
>slick con men: malachi z.
>york, since........you pick a time.
>
>
>this man has gone from being
>a muslim, to a reverend,
>to an egyptian-indian, and who
>knows what else.
>
>i feel as an activist for
>truth, that the truth must
>be put out there for
>the unaware. esp., in light
>of what he has done
>to the african american ppls.
>
>
>feel free to support, play down,
>attack, crack jokes, etc.
>
>this IS activism.
>
>Allah says in the 2nd surah,
>Al-Baqarah(The Cow) 2.25: But give
>glad tidings to those who
>believe and work righteousness, that
>their portion is Gardens, beneath
>which rivers flow. Every time
>they are fed with fruits
>therefrom, they say: "Why, this
>is what we were fed
>with before," for they are
>given things in similitude; and
>they have therein companions pure
>(and holy); and they abide
>therein (for ever).
>
>subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa
>anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika
>


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173. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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nigga please.if doc didn't put out the five percenter book or post graduate lessons,the only thing that would keep y'all barely alive is hip hop.you can't even see he's trying to help you all out.show and prove that he is a blood sucker of the poor.

  

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177. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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so if you can please break down all the races for me, where all of them come from...

york said in one of his books that the reptillians have blonde hair and blue eyes, and then says that people w/ dark hair and dark colored eyes are descendants of neuwabiens... please explain what extraterrestial races mated w/ us...


  

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178. "RE: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF MALACHI Z. YORK"
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That is easy. He teaches the poor lies that the almighty
true and living god is a spook that is not detectable by
the physical eye. Also he keeps y'all worshiping that which
y'all can not see (invisible) so that he can make himself
rich from your labor.


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180. "truth on "sale"."
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better get 'em while you can...............

http://factology.com/scrollclearance.htm

scrolls
format: title--price--closeout price--quantity in stock

360 questions:
to ask the israeli church pt. 1 10.00 closeout 5.00 5
to ask the sunni muslims pt. 1 10.00 closeout 5.00 1
to ask the sunni muslims pt. 2 10.00 closeout 5.00 1
to ask the hebrew israelite pt. 1 10.00 closeout 5.00 5
to ask the hebrew israelite pt. 2 10.00 closeout 5.00 6
to ask the hebrew israelite pt. 3 10.00 closeout 5.00 2

the holy shroud 10.00 closeout 5.00 3
ufo's are there extraterrestrials in your midst 10.00 closeout 5.00 4
who rolled the stone? 10.00 closeout 5.00 1

mystery clouds-are they ufo's 7.00 3

the fallacy of easter 5.00 closeout 3.00 6
the prophet 5.00 closeout 3.00 7
resurrection 5.00 closeout 3.00 9
marriage ceremony 5.00 closeout 3.00 4
baptism ceremony 5.00 closeout 3.00 4 (im glad i got this one for free. it was worth it.)
glory of jesus the messiah 5.00 closeout 3.00 6
is god a wimp 5.00 closeout 3.00 1
is haile selassie the christ 5.00 closeout 3.00 7
what is god's language 5.00 closeout 3.00 5
is the koran authentic 5.00 closeout 3.00 4
does god need love 5.00 closeout 3.00 9
does the new testament contradict the koran 5.00 closeout 3.00 9
could jesus transform himself 5.00 closeout 3.00 7
whose god is responsible 5.00 closeout 3.00 2
is jesus the god of the koran 5.00 closeout 3.00 6
what is god doing for you 5.00 closeout 3.00 9
first language 5.00 closeout 3.00 1
who was jesus sent to 5.00 closeout 3.00 7
sayings of dr. york 5.00 closeout 3.00 9
god gave the sign to jonah 5.00 closeout 3.00 10
the titles of jesus in the koran and the bible 5.00 closeout 3.00 9
scroll of malachi 5.00 closeout 3.00 4

bulletins

peaceful sabbath 1.00 2
nebuchadnezzar era 1.00 2

end quote

why closeouts? this stuff is classic, is it not? this the stuff arguements are made of?
btw, why aren't these scrolls for sale at the official web site's (http://www.egiptianmysteries.com) bookstore?

just askin, thats all.

-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apparently, disgruntled by the thread i starte , and dissing me for no reason:'(, while defendin dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!

yo kas, "we're only buggin'". b b b byy, ba ba byy b byy ba ba

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181. "are you making things better"
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Why shoot down the profits, why not spend your time on something more worth while. Why when one of our people makes something of themselves expecially thru spiritual means we have a problem, want to bring them down. I've taken his classes, yes they are a little far fetched, but that doesn't mean I'm slandering the brothers name. I sincerely hope when you make it in what ever your doing to uplift the race (I hope your planning to uplift the race), nobody trys to drag your name thru the mud.

There's no love like revolutionary
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182. "RE: are you making things better"
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>Why shoot down the profits,

im not sure of your standard of or definition of profit(s), but we doesnt fit the bill in this part of town.

>why
>not spend your time on
>something more worth while.

righting the wrong. is that not worthwhile?
i think it is.

>Why when one of our
>people makes something of themselves
>expecially thru spiritual means we
>have a problem, want to
>bring them down.

there is a difference between "makes something of themselves
expecially thru spiritual means" and "makes something". and he is doing the latter.

>I've
>taken his classes, yes they
>are a little far fetched,
stop.
in reality, you just said enough. ppl dont need farfetched, they need the truth. and if you can only join ppl, with farfetchedness, then there is a big problem. and what happens when the farfetchedness is no longer acceptable?
everybody will go there own separate ways.

>but that doesn't mean I'm
>slandering the brothers name.
correct.

>I sincerely hope when you
>make it in what ever
>your doing to uplift the
>race (I hope your planning
>to uplift the race), nobody
>trys to drag your name
>thru the mud.

i hope they dont either.
but just to let you know, im all about unity, peace, and such for "the race".
but im not all about lying, farfetchedness, etc. just to get unity, peace, and such for "the race".

we all can come to some common grounds, somewhere. but it is JUST NOT NECESSARY for those common grounds to be based on anything that in NOT REALITY.


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184. "btw..............."
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>are you making things better
i could be. but im just not aware of it.
ppl lurk, ppl keep to themselves.
someone might just be absorbing what is going on here.
who knows.
someone could be getting effected for the better.
but i dont expect them to speak up about it. they will prob. just move on to bigger and better things.

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183. "question..."
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do any of you guys on this post ever stop and say "damn, i've gone fucking insane"?


scholar back.

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185. "insane about what?"
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>do any of you guys on
>this post ever stop and
>say "damn, i've gone fucking
>insane"?

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you piers anthony cats can go back to talking about science-teaching lizardmen, skin made rusting magnesium and alien invaders from the nimrod galaxy.

i'll be over here in the real world if you need me, asimov.


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but reading on your part sure would help.
not everyone posting is down for "the cause".

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187. "2003"
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~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The one whose faith is perfect is afflicted by the whisperer(shaytaan). The thief does not bother entering a ruined house."-(al-Jawahir al-Hisan)

  

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188. "new official web site......"
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.....or either somebody is playing around w/ his picture.

http://www.arraatib.com/

madawaka, this is exactly what im talking about.

snipet:
The Grand Mufti

The Only True Shriners

I As The Grand Mufti "The Divan", Named At Birth, Issa Al Haadi Al Mahdi, In The Year 1945 A.D., Am A Blood Link To Al Mahdi Of The Sudan, Nubia, Being The Son Of Al Haadi Abdul Rahman Al Mahdi 1922-1970 A.D. The Son Of Abdur Rahman Al Mahdi 1885-1959 A.D., Who Was The Son Of The Mahdi 1845-1885 A.D. We Have An Unbroken Seed, Son After Son That goes Directly Back To Ali 599-661 A.D. And Fatima, Daughter of Muhammad, Who Had 3 Children Husain, Hasan And Muhsin (Who Died Before Birth). From Their Son Hasan Descended Yaquwb, Abdul Baaqiy, Abiy Sakrah, ‘Alwaan, Hasan Al Askariy, Abdul Qaadir, Ya’quwb, ‘Uthmaan, Yuwnus, Ahman Abiy ‘Abbaas, Muwsa, ‘Uthmaan, Najmuddiyn, Uwn Allah, Hasayn, Abdul Kariym, Nasr, Saabir, Hasban Nabiy, Ahmad, Aliy, Haaj Shariyf, Muhammad, Abdullah, Abdul Waaliy, Fahl, Abdullah Whose Wife Was Amina Who Gave Birth To Muhammad Ahmed, Al Mahdi. And On back from The Prophet Muhammad Of Arabia To Hashim: Haashim (Amr) 464-510 A.D. Father Of Abu Talib 539-619 A.D., Abdul Muttalib (Shaybah) 496-578 A.D., (Also Father Of Ali Making Muhammad And Ali First Cousins) Father Of Abdullah 545-570 A.D., Muhammad (Ahmed)’s 570-632 A.D. Father.

And Then On Back To The Tribe Of Banu Kinana From Which Hashim 464–546 A.D., Was A Descendant And Became The Father Of The Quraish Tribe. And From Hashim Through Nabat On Back To Kedar 1965-1833 B.C.E. From Who Descended Hunayaa, Adad, Adnan, Ma’add, Nizaar, Aiyass, Mudrikah, Khuznaymah, Kinana (Founder Of The Quraish Tribe), An Nadhir, (An Nasr), Malik, Fihr, Ghaalib, Al Adhram, Amir, Abdul Uzzah, Haashim (Amr).

Kedar Was The Son Of Ishmael, son of Hagar, whose Hagar whose Egiptian Name was Haqet -Re daughter of I-Em-hotep To Egipt, wife of Abraham son of Terah son of Nahor, son of Serug son of Reu son of Peleg son of Eber son of Shelah son of Arphaxad son of Shem son of Noah son of Lamech son of Enoch son of Jared son of Mahalalel son of Cainan son of Enos son of Seth son of Eve and Adam which means an unbroken link of which the lost tribe of Negroes are kin.

sidenote: here he says- "Named At Birth, Issa Al Haadi Al Mahdi, In The Year 1945 A.D."

then here (http://www2.gsu.edu/~phpgls/mzy.htm), he says- "He Appeared, As Savyid Issa Al Haadi Al Mahdi, Calling Himseif An Ansaar Of The East Unto The West Now We Know Him As Rabboni Y'shua Bar El Haady And Dr Malachi Z. York. It Was March 16, 1970 A. D. That He Arrived............
.......I Am A Being From The 19th Galaxy Called lLLYUWN. We Have Been Coming To This Planet Before It Had Your Life Form On It. I Manifest Into This Body To Speak Through This Body. I Am A Entity An Etheric Being. We Watched The 3 Other Cycles Of 18,000 Years, Two Moons And One Sun Which Is Part Of Your 24,000 Year Cycle, The Equinox; The Removal Of The Dust Cloud From Light To Darkness Then To Light Again. I Incarnated Into This Realm From Time To Time. My Incarnation As An Ilah Mutajassid Or Avatara Was Originally In The Year 1945 A.D. In Order To Get Here I Travelled By One Of The Smaller Passenger Crafts Called SHAM Out Of A Motherplane Called MERKABAH Or NIBIRU."

then here they (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,27708,00.html)
say-"There, the man born Dwight York, of Sullivan County, N.Y."

so when was he born? and how long has he been here?
where was he born?
what was his birthname?
is he human?
what?

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190. "What does Ahli'l Bait mean?"
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from new official web site......

http://www.arraatib.com/ahlilbait.htm

Ques: What does Ahli'l Bait mean?

Ans: First of all the original Al-Muthkheroon ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ “Shriners” were in fact the family of the scriptures referred to as Ahlil Al-Bait “People of the house” found in The Noble Qur’aan 1 3 and was a title given to those blood relatives from Adam to the present day, who vowed to protect the Sacred Shrines from intruders. They took a blood oath and were called Al- Halifoon ﻦﻭﻔﻟﺣﻠﺍ as a group or halif as individuals or those who took the oath.

There can be but one, Ahlil’l-Bait ﺖﻳﺒﻠﺍ ﻞﻫﺍ family of the house” known as The International Supreme Council of Shriners, Inc., world wide, although there can be many subcouncils only one Imperial Grand Supreme Council governs the jurisdictions in due boundaries and in turn issue charters to temples and units. The headquarters must be located where the blood relatives of Ali and the prophet Muhammad reside. The true Ahlil’l-bait is made up of 9 Arabs who hold the original manuscripts. That were taken from Halab “Aleppo” Syria in the Syrian dialect of Arabic (Kufic) which was taken by Rizk Allah Hassoon Effendee a Turk who himself couldn’t read it and then on to London and then to America by Albert L. Rawson, New York born, and translated into English presently the handbooks circulating in the shrines throughout America and Europe in English be they from Noble George L. Root, a Euro-Shriner or John G. Jones 33rd degree and Booker T. Alexander, Negro Shriners are in correct, passwords and rituals many have no idea about the great funeral that they reenact over and over again of Abd Al Kadir bin Mahyal-Din (Al Hasani) born in Mascara, 20 miles east of east of in 1808 A.D. and the black camel visited his noble tent and he passed in Damascus in 1888 A.D. Most Shrines today have no idea that their temple rituals and furnishings is in remembrance of that great funeral that took place on May 26 1883. A.D. His death was mourned on Saturday, May 31, in enactment of his funeral the temple furnishings were set. The Euro-Shriners attended. The Afro-Shriner for the most part, know very little about this event. The original temples were Mosques in the east with the furnishes of a mosques old sacred hieroglyphics with a replica of a ka’aba ﺔﺒﻌﮐ 4 feet by 4 feet in the center of the temple and it was called the Dakka ﺔﮐﺩ on which set The Noble Qur’aan in Arabic set and was opened to the 38th chapter Suwratu’l Saad the reason for this can’t be given to those not of sterling character. In Christian Shriner temples the Bible opened to the book of Job because of one of the 4 original manuscript holder Rizk Allah Hassoon Effende, who was a Turk by birth whose native language was not Arabic. The spelling of his name alone tells any affluent Arabic scholar that he could not have been an Arabic scholar, but as history has proven by his book “History of Islam” which was originally written in Turkish and later translated to Arabic along with much poetry. However Poetry Shi’rﺮﻌﺷ is strictly forbidden in Al-Islaam the religion of the Muhammadans worldwide and is backed up in The Noble Qur’aan 35:69 69:40-41. It was his poetry in Turkish not Arabic that offended the Turkish government. Then in an attempted to deceive the then strictly Muslim country in to accepting the book from what they considered the Bible the book of Job Al –Kitaabu’l Ayyub, translating it into poetry did not fool the Turks. He was caught and declared a non-Muslim and banned from Turkey. For this reason The Book of Job is on the altars beneath the crossed scimitars in American temple. More on this subject can be found in a book entitled Allah Maa’anaa written by The Grand Mufti, As Sayyid Issa Al Haadi AL Mahdi, translated into English containing the original history of the real Shriners and their rituals he sits as the head of Ahlil’l-Bait being a direct descent of the prophet Muhammad of Arabia and the Ali Shrine Temple.

some pictures..............

Name after name, we have an unbroken seed, son after son that goes directly back to Ali 599-661 A.D. And Fatima , Daughter of Muhammad, Who Had 3 Children Husain, Hasan And Muhsin (Who Died Before Birth). From Their Son Hasan Descended Yaquwb, Abdul Baaqiy, Abiy Sakrah, ‘Alwaan, Hasan Al Askariy, Abdul Qaadir, Ya’quwb, ‘Uthmaan, Yuwnus, Ahman Abiy ‘Abbaas, Muwsa, ‘Uthmaan, Najmuddiyn, Uwn Allah, Hasayn, Abdul Kariym, Nas`r, Saabir, Hasban Nabiy, Ahmad, Aliy, Haaj Shariyf, Muhammad, Abdullah, Abdul Waaliy, Fahl, Abdullah Whose Wife Was Amina Who Gave Birth To Muhammad Ahmed, Al Mahdi 1845-1885 A.D father of Abdur Rahman Al Mahdi 1885-1959 A.D. father of Al Haadi Abdul Rahman Al Mahdi 1922-1970 A.D. father of As Sayyid Muhammad Ahmad Al Mahdi 1845-1885 A.D.

more pictures..............



The Ahlil Bait that presides over the world body of Shrinemdom, acts as the executive board known as the Ansarullah ﷲﺍﺭﺍﺼﻨﺍ the Noble Koran 61:14, 110, 4 , 9:117, 3:52 Council in these quotes from Al Qur’aan’l Kareem you find the name Ansarullah. As Fiqir, were known as The Khalwatiyah Order of Sufi. They are the highest source of authority in the world over True Shrinendom. They must be headed by one who is a Sayyid, that is of the direct bloodline of the original founder, Amr Ibn Abid Manaaf (Hashim) father of Abdul Muttalib the father of Abdullah the father of the Prophet Muhammad, of the original shrine in Arabia . Who take their bloodline back to the Egiptian Princess Haqet- Re, in the Bible as Hagar Genesis 16:1; and her noble son Ismail known as Ishmael, Genesis 16:15, in the Bible, back to Abram who the Hebrews call Abraham and we known as Ibraaheem and from Ibraaheem straight on back to Adam ibn Allah ﷲﺍ ﻦﺑﺍ ﻢﺩﺍ.

The Ahlil’l Bait have exclusive control over all its members in all jurisdictions throughout the world. The Grand Mufti’s have meetings every 9 years at _____ in _____ as they await the end of the millennium the year 2000 A.D. which to a shriner marks the year 6000 A.D. and the arrival of Al-Mahdi ﻯﺩﻬﻤﻠﺍ to discuss the arrival and protection of Al Masih ﺢﺳﻣﻠﺍ or to the Jews call Ha Mashiakh xysmh. The Christians call on The Messiah, the Buddhist call him The Matrieya simply, Issa Al Masih who is to arrive after the gathering of Ansars, Noble Qur’aan Suwrah’l Nasr, Chapter 110. This most secret Ikhwaani ﻦﺍﻭﺧﺍ Brotherhood is born to protect and see he has a safe arrival from the Dajjal or Anti- Christ. We must be prepared.

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looks like its time to call bilal and get him to write another book.

-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apparently, disgruntled by the thread i started, and dissing me for no reason, while defending dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!


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191. "how did the arabic show?!?......."
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....on the above post?
anybodyelse see that?
or am i halucinating?
administrators, moderators, anybody?

-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apparently, disgruntled by the thread i started, and dissing me for no reason, while defending dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!


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193. "RE: how did the arabic show?!?......."
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as salaamu alaikum akhi,

yeah, i see the arabic, now i just need to find out how they did it.

was salaam,
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194. "watch this."
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ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ
ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟ
ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤ
ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧ
ﻦﻭﺮﺫ
ﻦﻭﺮ
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its actually letting me delete the letters one at a time.
it about to be on like....pop pop pppp pop POPCORN!!!!!

-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apparently, disgruntled by the thread i started, and dissing me for no reason, while defending dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!


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195. "RE: watch this."
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>ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ
>ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟ
>ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤ
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>its actually letting me delete the
>letters one at a time.
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>it about to be on like....pop
>pop pppp pop POPCORN!!!!!
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And you KNOW this!


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208. "What??"
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HTP <- insert mdw ntr here

So okayplayer isn't "Arabic-scriptly" challenged?

(HERE COMES THE ONSLAUGHT! BETTER GET AN ARABIC-ENGLISH DICTIONARY!)

Future posts:
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by abduhu
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by abduhu
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by abduhu
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by Sudani
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by AZ
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by Yusuf
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by abduhu
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by paragon216
"ﻦﻭﺮﺫﺧﻤﻟﺍ" by abduhu




(but okp ain't tryna have no adinkra or mdw ntr up in this piece, THAT'S WHY MY STRUGGLE CONTINUES... It's all good though I ain't hatin. Besides I might be able to freak some Kiswahili with the Arabic script. )



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Now they are impersonating the muslims sons. What a trip.


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197. "RE: Muslim Sons"
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>Now they are impersonating the muslims
>sons. What a trip.


Who is that?



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192. "the origin of the Shriners' Flag?"
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What is the origin of the Shriners' Flag?



The Flag of the International Supreme Council of Shriners, Inc.
Many Shriners do not know that when they see the shriner's flag flying that there is a historical reference to those colours. They being black, red, yellow, and green. Many countries used these colours. Guinea, Guyna, Ghana, Mali, Zimbabwe, Senegal, Sao Tome & Principe, Rwnada, Ethiopia, Grenada, Cameroon, Burkna Faso, Bolivia, Benin. Those colours span you can see on flags all around the world.

The original countries to become Shriners countries are four: 1 Canada, 2. America, 3. Canal Zone "Panama", and 4. Republic of Mexico.

Most Euro Shriners fly these Flags and you can find their description in their constitutions. Afro Shriners many used these traditional colours also.



Ques: What is so important about these colours?



Ans: Shrinery is based on as you know as an Arabic order. Generally when they say the Arabic order, we have a mistake. That is because next to none of the Shriners, speak fluent Arabic. So when you hear names like an Ancient Arabic Order or Ancient Egyptian Arabic Order, that should say the Arab order or The Ancient Egyptian Arab Order. Because Arabic of Arabia is the language. The word Arab comes from the root letters "iyn ( ᥺ ra (ﺭ ), ba ( ᥴ arb"(ﺏﺭﻋ ) ﺏﺭﻋ ) meaning "to wonder to roam about to move from place to place".

The biblical history of Arabic language, if it is to be believe or accepted, creates a dilemma. Because it will take you back form Muhammad to the tribe Banu Kinanah form the Quraysh all the way back to Kedar (Gen 25:13) as Muhammad declared in the hadith himself being of the tribe of Kedar, also you will find this confimed in the book "Dictionary of Islam by Thomas Patrick Hughes, P.D. M.R.S. page 216 under "Ishamel" it states and I quote: "Muhammad is said to have been descendents form Ishamel second son Kedar (Qaidar) through one named Adnan. "



Kedar according to the bible was the second son of Ishmael. And Ishmael was the son of Abraham (Gen 15:16) who had an Egyptian wife named Hagar.



Genesis 16:3 "...And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife."

This is what the Torah or the book of Genesis says, and what all theologians of the bible teach and the New Testament confirms it. It tells you that Hagar pick a wife for Ishmael from Egypt.



Genesis 21:21 "...And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt."

Ishmael sons of Abraham and Hagar didn't not marry a Hebrew woman. He did not marry a Syrian woman or a Chaldean woman, the tribe that which his father came from. He married an Egyptian woman. This is all leading to teaching you where the Arabic language comes from the Koran teaches Muslims to believe in Taurat (ﺓﺍﺮﻭ᥵ (Koran 3:2) the Arabic name for the Torah or the first five books of the Bible.



All Muhammadans believe the Koran is the unquestionable word of Allah and in The Koran 2:136 it states "Make no distinction between the prophets nor the holy books." And the Torah is one of those books mentioned. So in repeating myself the Torah teaches you that Sarah Abraham's wife gave him Hagar, an Egiptian woman.



And that This Egiptian woman bore a son to Abraham who they named Ishmael "god will hear" Gen 16:11-15 a Chaldean name because a man named Nethaniah also had a son named Ishmael confirming that Ishamel is a Chaldean name (Jeremiah 41:18). He received his named as a babe at the naming ceremony, they named him what was to happen in his future. That being, his cries to God would be heard in the wilderness (Gen. 21:17) and be directed to the well of called by Muhammadans Zem Zem.



Even zem zem is not an Arabic or Hebrew word. There is no equivalent to it or no root that can be traced Zemzem in either Hebrew or Arabic. In fact, Zem zem is an Egyptian word meaning "stay stay". According to Johnson Arabic Dictionary, Zamm! Zamm! (ﻥﻤﺯ ﻥﻤ᥷ translate "stay; stay" this is what Hagar called out in Egiptian language to prevent Ishmael from wondering. So the very word Zem zem as used in Islam is not Arabic its Egyptian.

This is what Hagar who spoke the Egyptian language seeing she was a grown woman when Sarah gave her to Abraham, said to her son Ishmael while she was looking for water in the dessert "stay stay". Hagar went under distress call out to God for God to hear her. Having left Abraham house, the great patriarch and having been influence to some sort by his God who was El and retaining the fear of her own Egiptian god Ra " the all eye seeing" she called out to the God as El Roi and they name the place after that in the Bible. (Gen 16:14) So she combine the God of Chaldea "El" and the God of Egypt "Roi" which is written Ra pronounce as Ray, Roi and this was the birth of a new dialect which became what is known today as the Arabic language.



The definite article in Hebrew is Ha (• , "the"; the definite article in Arabic " Al" (ﻞᥴ ;ﻞᥴ ; The definite in Egiptian is " pa" or "p". The name El Roi created the used of the definite article "Al" in the Arabic language and this Al is interchangeable in what Arabs called "Sun letters" and "Moon Letters" showing a historical relationship to moon and sun worship.



Ques: So just where did the Arabic language comes from?



Ans: If the Bible and Koran are to be believed, if the story of the lives of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar, are true, then Hagar created the Arabic language, as a combination of Egiptian and Chaldean. Egiptian her own language and Chaldean the language of Abraham her husband. And being Ishmael is known as the father of Arabs or the Ishmaelite; as Jacob is known as the father of Jews or the Israelites, So the language of the Israelites became known as Hebrew. And the language of the Ishmaelite became known as Arabic.

So in Hebrew they say " shalome ( shalome (Mlv )" with a " sh" . And Arabic they same "Salaam ( ﻡﻼ᥸ " with just an "s" they both Meaning "Peace". In Hebrew they say "Beth ( " with just an "s" they both Meaning "Peace". In Hebrew they say "Beth ("Beth (tyb )" and in Arabic they say " bait (ﺕﻳﺒ )" for house. As anyone can see these are the same language or dialects of two ancient languages. Ancient Egiptian and Chaldean married under Hagar and Abraham and Ishmael thus spoke a combination of which resulted in the Arabic. They both have in their roots in Genesis 10"Ashuric" for Arabic, "Aramic" for Hebrew.

Arabic is a dialect of Chaldean and Egiptians. So Muhammad being the descendants of Abraham and Shriners identifying with these two cultures Islam and Egyptology, present on our emblem, the colours of our flag comes from the colours recorded in Islamic history hadiyth, and sunna, The traditional, colours that the prophet Muhammad wore. And this is recorded in their Mishkat books that Muhammad wore. The colours that Muhammad prefer to wear, were black, as cloak and then yellow green, and red. The wearing of white in the Muslim world was adopted by Muslims after their first migration to Ethiopia, in the 5th year in the month of Rajab, which is recorded in Islamic history about how the first Muslims were influenced by the Coptic Christians of Ethiopia called "Negus" who to this day still wear white robes, white turbans, prostrating in prays and used prayer bead and call their house of worship "mose". Their language being Amharic or according to Dictionary of Islam by Thomas Patrick Hughes, P.D. M.R.S. page 92 under " dress" it states and I quote



"...the following are some of the sayings of the prophet in regards of dress. The dress of the prophet was exceedingly simple. He wore only two garments. the izar ( ﺭﺍﺰᥴ (under garments) which hang down 3 or 4 inches below his knees. and mantle thrown over his shoulder. these two robes with the turban , and white cotton draws completed Muhammad's wardrobe. these dress was generally of white, but he also wore green, red, and yellow and sometimes black".

It should no longer be a mystery to us Shriners where the colours of our flag comes from. Simply the colours prefer by the prophet Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin. born 570 A.D. died in the year 632. fathered Fatima Bint Khadijah born 610 and died 633 A.D. Fatima the daughter of the prophet became the wife of a blood relative of Muhammad name Ali Ibn Abu Taalib, whom all of us Shriners know as Khalifat Ali misspelled in our hand books as "Calif Alee."



Our noble flag let it fly high and be proud of the ancient origin in such a noble family as the Banu Kinanah tribe of Quraysh of we as Shriners represents. Protectors of the holy and holy places. Remember our true purpose is found in the book of Revelation Chapter 12



1. We are here to one protect that woman clothed with the sun with the 12 stars on her head.

2 We are here to protect that woman that she shall give birth to (Christ) child (verse2)

3. We are here to block that dragon (verse 9)

4. We are here to war against the 1/3 of the heaven (verse 4) fallen angels that came to Earth with the Dragon. (verse 3)

5. We are here to make sure that the Dragon does not devour that child (Christ) (verse 4)when he is born for he is to rule all Nations with a rod of Iron he is caught up to God in his throne. (verse 5)

We Shriners have a true purpose, we are not just a fraternity, club, organization, or religion. We are here to usher in with the Arabs call Al Masih ( ﺢﻳﺳﻤﻟᥴ , the Jews call Ha Mashiakh (xyvmh), and what the Christians called the Christ.



Are you preferred for this great tasked oh Shriners?

Read Psalms 2 verse 2

"...and the Rulers take council together against the Lord and against his annointed."

So who are you Dear Shriner?

Luke 2:13-14 "...And Suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of heavenly host and saying. Saying "Glory to god and the Highest and on earth peace good will toward men."

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-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apparently, disgruntled by the thread i started, and dissing me for no reason, while defending dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!


subhaanakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

  

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198. "how nuwabians feel.............."
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about the qur'an?

kas, anybody?

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199. "400 acres and a mule?"
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“York and several hundred of his followers wandered from New York to Georgia in 1993, buying up 476 acres of land on the perimeter of Eatonton for $575,000.”
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,27708,00.html

“In March, he purchased a $285,000 building in Athens for the headquarters of the Ancient Egiptian Order -- one of the many organizations and names connected to the mysterious group”
http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/022701/new_0227010901.shtml

“Members of New Mecca Temple No. 11, who also are members of the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, are expected to buy the Al Sihah Shrine Temple property on Poplar Street by the end of May……………
……………..The Buyers have paid $25,000 in earnest money and have contracted to pay the Shriners' asking price of $800,000, the appraised value. The property includes the 71 year old Temple building and two parking ltos across Poplar Street from Macon City Hall.”
http://www.arraatib.com/news1.htm (and yes, this is a real news article, but I aint gonna pay them to post the authentic one.)

that’s a lot of money. dont ya think?





-"all these questions come from a lack of reading.if you READ the scrolls then you would know.believe me,reading an excerpt on some lame ass site and making up your mind about the whole doctrine is like listening to abduhu and converting to islam the next morning.you'll be assed out because you truly don't know anything."- kas19 to somebody. apparently, disgruntled by the thread i started, and dissing me for no reason, while defending dr. malachi z. york from what?: HIS "OWN" WORDS!!!!!


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202. "RE: 400 acres and a mule?"
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that IS a lot of money! many things could be done with it but..alas!

i SHALL CALL HIM..."THE JUICER"!!!

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"The one whose faith is perfect is afflicted by the whisperer(shaytaan). The thief does not bother entering a ruined house."-(al-Jawahir al-Hisan)

  

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