Okay, so it's Independence Day here in the United States, and on 1st thought I say I couldn't care less. As a Black man, I have a hard time celebrating this country b/c of all the things my ppl have suffered at the hands of this government and many of the nation's private citizens as well. Not to mention the atrocities this nation is responsible for around the world. The situation is definitely fucked up...and I'm not about to wave any stars and stripes today, thank you.

But....then I remember some of the things I was taught in Social Studies class. All that shit about democracy...and men being created equal...and life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and all that...that's some GOOD SHIT. Okay, admittedly it hasn't quite worked out in practice, but damn! Just the very fact that those are among the founding principles of this little nasty nation...I think that's pretty tight. I dunno.

Maybe I'd rather be in France though. Or Argentina. I've only been abroad once (Paris), but every American I know who's been abroad extensively is always happy to return...especially those who visit less developed places. They've all told me the same thing...they were glad to leave America when their trip began, and each harbored thoughts of never returning. But then they got out in the world and saw just how American they were. All the things they'd taken for granted before...they suddenly became really appreciative.

I plan to live abroad at some point (Australia? Argentina? The UK?), but I'm sure it will only be temporary...or maybe not.

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"Now where I come from/We don't let society tell us how it's supposed 2 be/Our clothes, our hair we don't care/It's all about being there" -Prince, "Uptown" (1980)

"No one I think is in my tree/I mean it must be high or low/That is you can't you know tune in/But it's alright/That is I think it's not too bad" - John Lennon, "Strawberry Fields Forever" (1967)

Coming July 25, 2001...HotThyng 25.0

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to me...
I always thought you were a woman... did you know this and just let me keep it up?
Soul

Learn to love the all in all and thus the all in yourself

My profile has never changed.

And I never made any direct statements about my gender or sex.

I'm sorry you thought I'm an XX.

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Could I live anywhere else. No! I'm rooted here and to me leaving the USA to live somewhere else constitutes leaving a job undone. Juss like I find it hard to live anywhere else thn Chicago after I finish my education, my roots are there and I want to improve my folks' situatin in The CHI.

Nahmean?


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While my roots are less localized, I do feel that I can't just up and take off from here.

And besides, in my heart of hearts, I do enjoy the perks that come w/being an American.

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I mean, really, all this land with all the regional nuances is too much to juss up and leave for something else. Particularly, less technological areas(i.e. no hot water and digital cable).


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"And I really really really don't like thinking too deeply about shit, so I'm not going to go do a search for the chemical make-up of feces to find out whether any of it's essential ingredients emit an odor regardless of diet. I try and guard my thoughts."(c) HotThyng76 on food intake and it's benefits

"Knowing nothing in life but to be legit
Don't quote me boy, cuz I ain't saying shit"

Eazy-E.......http://www.tha-renaissance.com/

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http://twitter.com/Gator_Bell

I mean, look at us! We're sitting here communicating w/each other w/hundreds of miles between us. All of us, I mean.

This is a beautiful thing.

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If you are, can you send some thru the fiber optics my way?


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"And I really really really don't like thinking too deeply about shit, so I'm not going to go do a search for the chemical make-up of feces to find out whether any of it's essential ingredients emit an odor regardless of diet. I try and guard my thoughts."(c) HotThyng76 on food intake and it's benefits

"Knowing nothing in life but to be legit
Don't quote me boy, cuz I ain't saying shit"

Eazy-E.......http://www.tha-renaissance.com/

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Grump
http://twitter.com/Gator_Bell

I'm on a break.

Although it would be nice right about now....

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I could up and leave now if someone gave me plane ticket or boat, don't really feel for them though, suming unsafe about them.

New york is where i'm heading, London is shit and basically trys to be New York, so why not hit there.

thats it, lost for words.......

Peace

my thatched hut has a T1 cable to the US. Booyakashah.



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Me te aroha e nga iwi
Kia ka tapatahi
Kia kotahi ra
Tatou tatou e

seek after knowledge
and fellowship all people
think as one
act as one
all of us

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I'M GONNA SCHOOL SOME HEADS NOW....
I remember reading a survey in high school that told us that, in a questionnaire, 30% of Americans knew where my country was, and the overwhelming majority of that 30% thought that we lived in huts in the forest, wearing grass skirts and tending to huge flocks of nomadic sheep. Welllll.....check this one time.

This is where i work.
http://photosoc.wellington.net.nz/cgi-bin/slideviewer.cgi?list=wellington&slide=7
(just to the left of the little 'bridge' in the centre, ground floor..)

another view of my city...
http://photosoc.wellington.net.nz/24hrs/p1_14.htm

and this is the area (Rotorua/Bay of Plenty) where i spent the first 17 years of my life...
http://www.vnz.co.nz/photos/volcanic/index.shtml

and here's an example of our local culture...
http://www.phunkrepublic.com/



LOOK and LEARN, peeps.

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Yo! I was just talking about this with my pops and moms, lately Ive been thinking about becoming a resident citzen of Tunisia when I get to about my 40th or 50th year. The only reason I wouldnt leave out of America right now is because Im so attached to family and uplifting people out of the cancer and virus mindstate that this American "culture" gives out

and Tunisia is 98% muslim!

Internal strife notwithstanding, I believe my ancestors were Ndebele, so I would like to live there, and inculcate myself into the culture so I could learn firsthand about the Ndebele. My brother thinks we are Zulu though, and he might be right, so I would not mind living in the parts of Southern Africa which are indigenous to the Zulu either(South Africa, Botswana). I lived in that region for two months, and felt at home, even though I wasn't(traditional Afrikan culture states that home is where your mother lives). I was related to SOMEbody from up in that camp though. I could just FEEL it. So, if I lived abroad, I would want it to be there, or Jamaica. Why Jamaica? Because of the Rasta culture, of course! I'll be getting married there as well(I'm claiming it, so that I can manifest it!). I'll have to see about the living there part, but I would not pass up the opportunity if it presented itself, I'll tell you THAT.


As far as the Fourth of July, well, our independence days as Afrikan people in America are on January 1st(1865), and Juneteenth, so those are the days I celebrate. I enjoy the fireworks of the fourth though, and appreciate any opportunity to come home and hang out w/ my family and friends, when everyone is off from work and school and relaxed. That's about all the Fourth of July means to me.

paz.


"Next to God we are indebted to Afrikan women, first for
giving us life and secondly for making that life worth
living." -author unknown

"Don't Hate the PLAYA Boy...hate the GAME," Granddad Freeman of the Boondocks(7-11-99)

*Twenty-three percent of women are "autoerotic singles" — they prefer to achieve sexual satisfaction alone(source-bet.com)

*If U have won a Grammy, one of two things are at play: 1. Your shit is TIGHT
2. U are white
-(Me)

"'Cuz U answer the phone 'peace' that means U not a freak?"-The Questions(c) Common

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Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

I believe my
>ancestors were Ndebele................

>My
>brother thinks we are Zulu
>though, and he might be
>right.................

have you done any geneological research about your ancestors? if not, why not?

thats how you can TRY TO find out, although you MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be successful in doing so.

who is Prophet Muhammad -salla Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam (peace be upon him)? click here to read his biography:
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/

Narrated Aisha (Prophet Muhammad's wife):
The Prophet used to offer prayer at night (for such a long time) that his feet used to crack. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Why do you do it since Allah has forgiven you your faults of the past and those to follow?" He said, "Shouldn't I love to be a thankful slave (of Allah)?' When he became old, he prayed while sitting, but if he wanted to perform a bowing, he wound get up, recite (some other verses) and then perform the bowing.

subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You). ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except You). astaghfiruka (I seek Your forgiveness), wa attuubu ilaika (and I turn to You in Repentance).

The websites I visited for geneaological(sp.) research cost money, and at the time, I did not have the disposable income to invest in such a project. Do you know of other more economical methods I might employ, or are you just giving me 'the business'?



"Next to God we are indebted to Afrikan women, first for
giving us life and secondly for making that life worth
living." -author unknown

"Don't Hate the PLAYA Boy...hate the GAME," Granddad Freeman of the Boondocks(7-11-99)

*Twenty-three percent of women are "autoerotic singles" — they prefer to achieve sexual satisfaction alone(source-bet.com)

*If U have won a Grammy, one of two things are at play: 1. Your shit is TIGHT
2. U are white
-(Me)

"'Cuz U answer the phone 'peace' that means U not a freak?"-The Questions(c) Common

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Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

HTP

There is a method of tracing one's geneaology through the Yoruba tradition of Ifa.

Go here for more information:
www.theancestralcall.com

PEace
Solarus

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On "love":

"I am in love everyday, whether I am with someone or not. Why? All love is based on a search for spirit. For me love is timeless, transcendent, peaceful, freeing, soul-based, unifying, and enhanced evolution. This is the basis of my activism."- Nettrice, the embodiment of Oshun

"Since we all make up the rules as we go along, love can mean many different things to many different people. But, for me love is a total commitment to understanding that is not limited to just people but is open to the totality of life. As long as we approach love from a fear based mentality and perceive it through veils of guardedness and anxiety, it will always be restricted by our fears."- Mfundishi Bakari

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

the ideals of the country are still very dear to me, even if the country does not quite live up to them (which begs another question: is it realistic to expect this capatilist society to REALLY completely live up to the declaration/consitution?)

we need people that can think and help this country reach those ideals to be in this country, not leave

i can't blame people for wanting to leave though

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this summer. If I like it there I'll be sure to move there as soon as possible. I've seen the house of Commons, and at least English government is funny when they don't do anything right.

(this is my first post, hello, be nice)

When I travel I'm usually ashamed of telling people I'm American because they immediately assume I'm all about McDonalds and capitalism. American corporations invade every country possible and it just makes me sick. Also I think that based on other countries I've visited (only Japan and Spain) compared to America, the foreign people are more thoughtful and polite and care more about the artistic side of life (writing, music, art, you know) while in America that's either lost or injected with some sort of money-makingness.

As for being happy to come back to America...I was anxious to leave Japan because I was just not having a good time, I was staying with a family as a student-exchange program and they were a bunch of squares. The side of Japan I saw was really one-dimensional. And I felt like a complete outsider--little kids would come up and feel my skin and my hair and people would stare or a couple times people even took pictures of me. Which is ok, I guess, but weird. But when I went to Spain, I never wanted to come home. I loved it there, especially Barcelona. I'd love to live there. Or Chicago. I love them both.

Also I think in the beginning America knew what was up (except for the slavery thing, umm yeah that was a big minus) but the current politicians have completely disregarded the old values or implemented them in a fucked up twisted way.

that's all goodbye
rock
amber

probably London.

or perhaps Florence, Italy.

and if not there, then Namibia, because i have family there.

-loryn

"I love this land. I'm not crazy about the nation."--Alice Walker

I stopped combing my mind so my thoughts could lock--Saul Williams

i'm an okayoungin.

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Wasnt it a song that said
"Live in new york city once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in new jersey(?) once but leave before it makes you too soft."

I was brought up in norway, but i have been in egypt and spain - now different cultures have got me. I want to live in another part of the earth, since i am lucky to have the opertunity to save money to travel.

Trinidad & tobago.. because of its multicultural people
Perhaps visit Zwaziland.. earthsista knows why
Haiti... because of Wyclef! (the people)
Cuba.. i will miss something special if i don't visit Cuba (the people)
Thailand... the food and the people
Mauritius... to see if it is as special as they say it is
Columbia... the people, carlos vives and my neighbour (he got a wife and son there now)
Egypt... my two weeks in the country were special, i want to return
España... i have lived there one year now, i want more! Que bueno país!
Brazil... the people!
Turkey.... visit marco

The list goes on

No, i wouldn't live anywhere else. i would live somewhere else Perhaps visit San Francisco or Chicago, but not live there.

I go for the culture and the people, i have seen enough american culture in my life. i grew up to Steve Urkel, Fresh Prince and Ricky Lake. Yes, in norway.. uff

i hope i one day will be in africa again, and that i one day will be in asia. I know nothing is impossible, specially today. Very cheap tickets to distant places are being sold on the day the plane leaves and ferries are getting cheaper as planes are getting more used.

No backpacker life for me, thou. i want to live one place, at least for a long time. What makes me like a people is how they treat others. Unfortunally that's a reason why i didnt put bronx on that list.. but that is another thread.

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I remember the son now, baz luhrman - sunscreen. strange song, a lá "how to live your life"..

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And it was northern cali, not NJ.

AUT CAESAR AUT NULLUS
DUAL MOBILTIY IS COMING...Some day.

Fuck whats in the deck.

And to all yall that say my posts aren't educated, fuck yall too.

...have adopted has always appealed to me. I often think that Americans live in cultural "boxes" that are rarely ventured out of. I am visiting London & Paris again in August... and I'm looking forward to experiencing the "freedom" and lack of stress I felt during my last visit.

However, I can't truly say that I'd want to MOVE there (I've had thoughts)... because, I can't truly determine that life would be any BETTER there. DIFFERENT, maybe... but not necessarily BETTER.

And, when you REALLY think about it... you can't say that Black people have it GOOD anywhere. I don't care where you go, there's ALWAYS negativity & discrimination -- even if it's subtle. And, in most other countries, TRUE opportunity is very limited -- regardless of race.

America may be nasty & vile in it's past & present treatment of our blacks.... but at least I have a FIGHTING chance at some form of opportunity despite my race or class level. And, let's not forget, there's nastiness & ignorance everywhere -- all over this earth.

>However, I can't truly say that
>I'd want to MOVE there
>(I've had thoughts)... because, I
>can't truly determine that life
>would be any BETTER there.
> DIFFERENT, maybe... but not
>necessarily BETTER.

Yep, i noticed that when i moved to spain. I thought it would be better.. it isn't necessarily better, but it sure is different. Some things are better, others arent. I got beaten up in spain, that havent happened to me before. Friends take drugs in school, in spain. I didn't get any spanish friends, in spain.

>And, when you REALLY think about
>it... you can't say that
>Black people have it GOOD
>anywhere. I don't care
>where you go, there's ALWAYS
>negativity & discrimination -- even
>if it's subtle.

But.. africa? brazil? or haiti?!

Yes, people who are negative against others because of opinions, that will always be with us. But people who discriminate because of race, not everywhere.

>let's not forget, there's nastiness
>& ignorance everywhere -- all
>over this earth.

Not with all people thou, i have learned that now. Find your people, even if it is a small group.. that seems to be what will help.

I think you can find your people (opinions, not race) in most parts of this world. In my little seaside village (which is invaded by travellers in the summer), an iranean man runs the most popular meeting/eating/drinking place. He plays gipsy kings, iranean music, flamenco, he have had african drummers. Everybody loves him and his place.

There must be a place for everyone in most places, even in a small village in norway. Another man, half african/asian who lived in brazil, now runs the local gallery here.

But will you get nastiness and ignorance from your people if you find your roots in africa? (i am reading roots no )

Ahhh I like talking about this

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"Most of our assumptions have outlived their uselessness." — Marshall McLuhan

...has many countries within... and yes, racism against blacks exists -- and has existed. I'm sure you're familiar with the former state of Apartheid in South Africa.

Then there's the racial hatred that's not about skin color, but tribal differences -- the Hutu's and the Tutsi's... the massacre in Rwanda (just to name two).

Then there's the mass exodus from Haiti that occurred when Haitians were being slaughtered left & right. Haitians on flimsy rafts and broken-down boats were drowning in large groups... trying to float their way to America.

Don't get me wrong... I'm aware that there are MANY places one can go where there is no THREAT of racism (there are places right here in my own city where that is the case). However, the "racist" factor exists EVERYWHERE. And, sad to say, the mindset is usually directed towards the "darker" races.

My point is... you're never going to be completely free from ignorance in society... but you may be able to properly distance yourself from it -- so that you don't have to DEAL with it on a constant, face-to-face basis. HOWEVER, that seperation can be acheived without having to move to a different country. AND, just because you move to a different, free-er(sp) country doesn't mean that you WON'T have to deal with it. Nahmean??

mmh, i get it. When i said africa i thought about the part of africa you come from.

If you ignore differences yourself, will others treat you so? What you give you will get?

In the beginning of Roots, kunta keeps thinking about differences.. When he sits outside on lookout in the night he sees a Fulani man guarding his cows holding a light, in the horizon. And it made him think about how many differences there had to be, even from his village to the neighbour village. And he remembered when he visited his uncles' new village he saw people with strange customs and languages - even from his own country gandia(?!).

I didnt know about the mass exodus from haiti
And i forgot about tribal wars. That will always be. Is it so that it just seems more extreme when it is black/white or french/gipsy? But in reality it is the same as zulus/zwazi (in the old days) and the other tribal wars throughout the different continets?

What helps us the most is to accept differences, no..? learn from it.. (some cultures are better at it than others.)

Wyclef takes his own shortcut, he simply says all are people and all cultures can mix in a big party, The Carnival! I saw the man last night at a helluva show! It was wild, people loved him and i think he loved the people. He even helped a norwegian girl with a singing talent get a carreer, he had her sing mary j blidge's part of 911. Wyclef said "I get down in brooklyn and i get down in norway!", and when he said that the crowd got wild. He gave respect and got respect.

Hehe, he also said "I've been to england, germany, belgium, stockholm and amsterdam, but there's no place like kristiansand" (the city he was in)..and he made up a song right there and then: "norway - numero uno". He gave much, he showed very much respect (almost too much), and that made the crowd love him.

Give and get.. and it works with wyclef The show got a 6 on the dice and the reviewers said the show could have gone on till the break of dawn, literally. He also performed Redemption song, no woman no cry, diallo. It must have left an impression in the crowd.

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"Most of our assumptions have outlived their uselessness." — Marshall McLuhan

...you've been very moved by your reading of Roots; which is good. I've seen you post about it in discussion of mulitiple subjects.

My family has traced their "roots" (which was a very involved project that lasted a few years)... only to find out that the black branch of the family stems from indentured (sp) servants that travelled from the West Indies to Virginia VERY soon after the Europeans began to "settle" on the land -- working off their servitude within 15 years.

Those findings can be considered inconclusive -- because the West Indies was a huge center for trade... especially slave and "human" trade after America began to establish itself; which means they could have been just "passing through" and could actually have come from parts of Africa. There is a slight possibility that they could have actually been West Indian. Who knows?? No documentation can be found that supports anything different.

Anyhow, the whole ordeal just made me realize how AMERICAN I truly am... and how much this country owns my ancestry. Therefore, I again come to the conclusion that life in another country isn't exactly a panacea for me.

I have just started reading it, i realized i needed it. my family has kept the book for many years, it is about time. And i enjoy it. Unfortunally i enjoyed the first 100 pages where Kunta lived in Juffure very much, the slave trade is the total opposite.

But it is supposed to be so. Thank you, I think it is good i read it too, it is important. But i try not to forget about the other cultures there is as well, it isnt just black/white.. But i start with roots.

I'm glad you found at least more of your roots.

I respect why you choose to live in USA.. that's it, peace

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>Yep, i noticed that when i
>moved to spain. I thought
>it would be better.. it
>isn't necessarily better, but it
>sure is different. Some things
>are better, others arent. I
>got beaten up in spain,
>that havent happened to me
>before. Friends take drugs in
>school, in spain. I didn't
>get any spanish friends, in
>spain.

Yeah, Spain is dangeourous for people who do not wear a polo shirt with the spanish flag on it and tight jeans. Fuckin fachas! I know a shitload of Spanish people who take drugs in school. AND EVERYONE DOES GRAF! EVERYONE. PERIOD! And its hard as hell to get a gun, so I have to fend off 5 nazis with a butterfly knife. Spain is dangeourous for a hip hop head.


AUT CAESAR AUT NULLUS
DUAL MOBILTIY IS COMING...Some day.

Fuck whats in the deck.

And to all yall that say my posts aren't educated, fuck yall too.

Yo I was thinking about livin in Italy since that's the only country i've been to outside here and Canada, but they are mad racist there to. The fans were booing black and Jewish players on there on soccer team whenever they touched the ball. Despite what the US has done, few countries are better when concerened with race relations
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I am my own person, I fit no stereotypes, I am a demographic of one.

No Goes to Hooters for wings. -Chris Rock

He Looks hurt pretty bad.......... Let's Get out of Here!
-Lenny & Carl

Despite
>what the US has done,
>few countries are better when
>concerened with race relations
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haha. We are.



Whaia te maramatanga
Me te aroha e nga iwi
Kia ka tapatahi
Kia kotahi ra
Tatou tatou e

seek after knowledge
and fellowship all people
think as one
act as one
all of us

-"Tutira mai nga iwi"

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i've heard that from so many people; that they coudn't wait to come back home after their trips, but i've never gotten that sense before. i would like to live in any of the countries i've visited and hope i get a chance to move around one day-

helps, i suppose, that my dad lives in another country and my in-laws are scattered about and my husband and many of our friends are from/in other countries

which is not to say that i think that any place is better or worse than any other. they're all just different, and there's a few realities that people deal with in some other countries (one random but fresh example: a friend of mine was stopped by the police in the ethiopian countryside because of his dreadlocks. the police told him "if we see you again with that hair, we will kill you.")

life can be a lot less convenient and a lot less safe in less developed countries. and my citygirl physique was not made for machete yardwork and build your own houses. but i would be interested to see if i could learn to hack it.


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>Okay, so it's Independence Day here
>in the United States, and
>on 1st thought I say
>I couldn't care less.
>As a Black man, I
>have a hard time celebrating
>this country b/c of all
>the things my ppl have
>suffered at the hands of
>this government and many of
>the nation's private citizens as
>well. Not to mention
>the atrocities this nation is
>responsible for around the world.
> The situation is definitely
>fucked up...and I'm not about
>to wave any stars and
>stripes today, thank you.
>

I dont think that Independance Day is for Us. Just because America is free doesnt mean that we are. Physical slavery is not in effect but I think allot of us still have some Slave carryover mentalities to snuff out. I agree totally for a Black Person to break out the stars and stripes aint sweet at all.

My Imam (spiritual leader) has travelled abroad many times. He spent various months all over North Africa (Sudan, Egypt, Tunisia, and Morocco). He's also spent allot time in France. One thing that he said is that Women love African Americam men. In France he said there is area where many Muslims chill at. So there are Muslims from all over the globe there. You can tell where someone is from by looking at them. You know who a African is. You know a European they are white. You know who a Moroccan or a Tunisian is, they look mixed. When people see African American's we are mixed with like 3 different things. This intrigues foreigners. Basically, foreign women like brothas.

I say this myself when I made Hajj. Whenever we (Me and some other African American brothas )walked past some Asain sisters they were looking at us like we were stars or something. I felt like I could just have my pick of any of them. It was ill. I told my Imam about this, he said Japanese women love black dudes.

Why am I saying all this. Just look how white people and foreigners in America try to treat us. They try to treat us like crap. Its just Ironic that abroad a brotha can get some love.

If I stepped anywhere lese I would mellow out to The United Arab Emirates (UAE). Its a nice developed spot.

I would also look into Malaysia, Singapore or Indonesia. Maybe I'll run into some of those Asain women that was halking us at Hajj.

Morocco is sweet too. I've been invited to go to Sudan. When I made hajj many people thought I was from Sudan or South Africa. I would love to checkk all these spots out. Maybe later on in life I might move.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenship
into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And w

this was a very well said post. all the places you mention sound fantastic.

brothers don't have to leave though. most sisters still love yall.

man I can't wait to raise the fuck up outta here.

South of France is the dream. Or Spain. Italy has been suggested, but I've never been there.

Brazil has been on the mind, though that's a bit harsher.

London, yeah, I'd do it in a heart beat.

BUT

I'd never give up my U.S. citizenship. Too many advantages.

Still, I've found more places I'd like to live OUT of the states than in the states. Here, Seattle is tops, followed closely by the Bay Area. The rest of the U.S. just doesn't appeal to me, though I could easily adapt to anywhere in this increasingly homogeneous and homogenized country.

RED
I'm afraid to let my self go.
It hasn't yet memorized its way home.

RED
http://arrena.blogspot.com

My US Passport is SO important to me. I'll never ever give it up.

Ever.

_______________________

>man I can't wait to raise
>the fuck up outta here.
>
>
>South of France is the dream.
>Or Spain. Italy has been
>suggested, but I've never been
>there.
>
>Brazil has been on the mind,
>though that's a bit harsher.

I just got back from Brazil. One week in Rio and one in Salvador. The poverty is a little overwhelming, but it is beautiful. The racial situation is very hard to figure out. All shades of people mingle on the streets and residential segregation is minimal, but those on power are significantly lighter than the poor. I saw no blatant diplays of racism though.

You need to go now, the Real is only worth US 39 cents. Almost an all time low. A pack of smokes was 60 cents and a beer was only 80 cents. I ate a huge meal for US$1.10 (ignoring the cockroaches I had to beat off my plate). See www.transbrasil.com.br for cheap flights from Miami or Orlando. You can live down there for US$5-20 per day.

JMello

"Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the heartland, we understand how unfair the death penalty is - the death tax is."

"Si, I'm very concerned about the amount of acreage in cultivation for the growth of cocoa leaves."

"...it's about past 7 here, so we're actually in different timelines."

"I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but my predecessors, as well. And that's why I made the decision."

"I'm about to name my brother the ambassador to Chad."

"They don't seem to be flocking in right now, but it is dove season in Texas. I'm a hunter and if I decide to shoot some dove, I'll shoot 'em and eat 'em."

--President-Select George W. Bush--

Because there are no black people. And about 50 percent of tha people are facists, and will jump u at any chance. Im white and i get jumped at least once a week. Just cuz i rock baggy pants and a gold cruxifix.

AUT CAESAR AUT NULLUS
DUAL MOBILTIY IS COMING...Some day.

Fuck whats in the deck.

And to all yall that say my posts aren't educated, fuck yall too.

I've been thinkin about leavin this country since the 9th grade.
lol
Plan to be out before 40 years old. Sun-Ra Willing

"There's so much more in life for you to feel/Unfound in white red and blue pilss."--Stevie WOnder "Bird of Beauty"

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

I'd love to travel and whatnot, but America is home ground. A lot of people find it odd that I am so nationalistic. I am. I am very very very nationalistic. I hate when people say bad things about America. It makes me want to say "for the very reason that you're allowed to say that you hate America, you should love America." I'm not sure many people would get my point though. I absolutely love America. Not because I think that it's the best place to live for everyone, because the thing that I think is most important is the foundation for our country. I think that liberty and freedom are the greatest things to possess. I realize not everyone possesses them, but this is one of the few countries where if you do not possess them you can speak up, you can fight, you take action. and even if your dreams will not be realized in your lifetime with the ideals that are the basis for the country, hopefully someday they will be.

"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

Jesus smited my signature!

It
>makes me want to say
>"for the very reason that
>you're allowed to say that
>you hate America, you should
>love America." I'm not sure
>many people would get my
>point though.

i feel you on this point 100% - many people take it for granted

-------- B EZ ------------

IM and ICQ name: reefdogg1 (number one at the end)

lil kids call me smokeymon ....

>I'd love to travel and whatnot,
>but America is home ground.
>A lot of people find
>it odd that I am
>so nationalistic. I am. I
>am very very very nationalistic.
>I hate when people say
>bad things about America.


Sorry Bombshell but this is backwards culture. Going against the land. Nothing against this continent, this land (North America) which is so precious, but Muthasuckaz don't know what to do with such a gift. How to make a marriage with the land...Like our Native American Forefathers (Those are the true American Forefathers), fuck George Washington and the rest of those Gay Masonic Satanists. Lol Shits WILD!!!
It
>makes me want to say
>"for the very reason that
>you're allowed to say that
>you hate America, you should
>love America."

I love every atom in the Universe. But not this Country.

I'm not sure
>many people would get my
>point though. I absolutely love
>America. Not because I think
>that it's the best place
>to live for everyone, because
>the thing that I think
>is most important is the
>foundation for our country.

Okay let's go over that culture. Murder/Deceit/Brute Force/total disrespect/genocide/sick culture/excessive & self-destructive culture
There's your foundation!!

>think that liberty and freedom
>are the greatest things to
>possess.

Yes but the only place that can give you true liberty and freedom is within yourself. Not some Docuement or some devil saying "HEY!! YOUR FREEEE!!"

I realize not everyone
>possesses them, but this is
>one of the few countries
>where if you do not
>possess them you can speak
>up, you can fight, you
>take action.

And if you speak the truth too lound you get killed. Ask Malcolm, Martin, Medgar Evars, Fred Hampton...the list is ill should I keep going?

and even if
>your dreams will not be
>realized in your lifetime with
>the ideals that are the
>basis for the country, hopefully
>someday they will be.
>
Hopefully someday I can watch the Whitehouse burn to the ground and have a fish fry.

"FUCK THE GOVAMENT!!/I CAUSE ACCIDENTS

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

or do something about it. Nobody is forcing you to be an American. Nobody is forcing you to live in America. Don't like it? Leave it. Don't want to leave? Then appreciate the reasons you don't want to leave... and do something to CHANGE the things you dislike. Don't sit on your ass and complain. You have a voice and you have a choice. If you don't want to ACTIVELY be American, then leave America. Do you have any idea how many people would give their right leg to live here??? I think you are ungrateful... why don't you move to Tijuana or Afghanistan. These places where people live in poverty, or people live without basic human rights.

> It
>>makes me want to say
>>"for the very reason that
>>you're allowed to say that
>>you hate America, you should
>>love America."
>
>I love every atom in the
>Universe. But not this
>Country.
Then leave this country and make space for someone who will appreciate it.

>I'm not sure
>>many people would get my
>>point though. I absolutely love
>>America. Not because I think
>>that it's the best place
>>to live for everyone, because
>>the thing that I think
>>is most important is the
>>foundation for our country.
>
>Okay let's go over that culture.
> Murder/Deceit/Brute Force/total disrespect/genocide/sick culture/excessive
>& self-destructive culture
>There's your foundation!!
I've nowhere stated that America is a perfect country, but the ideals... the ideals that the country was founded on are something that EVERY human deserves and can respect. Just because those ideals aren't a complete reality doesn't make them not worth fighting for or invalid.

>>think that liberty and freedom
>>are the greatest things to
>>possess.
>
>Yes but the only place that
>can give you true
>liberty and freedom is within
>yourself. Not some Docuement
>or some devil saying "HEY!!
>YOUR FREEEE!!"
That document is the only thing seperating you, better yet, PROTECTING you from losing every right, like the right of free speech, you know that right that allows you to go on the computer and talk about how much you HATE America? Well, move to Iraq... print something about how much you dislike your country and get shot.

> I realize not everyone
>>possesses them, but this is
>>one of the few countries
>>where if you do not
>>possess them you can speak
>>up, you can fight, you
>>take action.
>
>And if you speak the truth
>too lound you get killed.
> Ask Malcolm, Martin, Medgar
>Evars, Fred Hampton...the list is
>ill should I keep going?
So does that mean the truth should not be spoken? The truth is WORTH DYING FOR. Maybe your truths aren't, mine are. You should evaluate your own beliefs before calling out the names of great men.

> and even if
>>your dreams will not be
>>realized in your lifetime with
>>the ideals that are the
>>basis for the country, hopefully
>>someday they will be.
>>
>Hopefully someday I can watch the
>Whitehouse burn to the ground
>and have a fish fry.
>"FUCK THE GOVAMENT!!/I CAUSE ACCIDENTS
SInce you so obviously hate the government, what are YOU doing to change it? What positive actions have you taken to make a difference in this unlivable country that you've been so begrudging forced to reap the benefits from?


"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

Jesus smited my signature!

First let me say you gotta be some poedunk livin out in Corn Husk,Wyoming. lol
Sorry that was rude. I apologize. 4 real

But really is that the only thing you can come back at me with
"That ole 1950 patriotic/Redscare crap 'Love it or Leave it'
lol
Americans are the most foolish people on the planet.
We have the minds of children. Any little flash or whatever to catch our eye and we are hypnotized. Easily pacified. Eeager for narcotic like lies to ease the pain.
Do ever watch National Geographic or any "Educational T.V." and see how indigenous people react to our "Technology"? They think most of our shit is stupid. And they're right. It's all excess. Home of the slave land of the excessively sick. I'm caught in it too.


>or do something about it. Nobody
>is forcing you to be
>an American. Nobody is forcing
>you to live in America.
>Don't like it? Leave it.
>Don't want to leave? Then
>appreciate the reasons you don't
>want to leave...

WHAT? Appreciate the fact that we have to PAY just to be alive? Appreciate that the only way to live comfortabley is blind myself to truth and make it my enemy? lol
Ya'll Crackaz, Patriotic types, hippies,rednecks/uncle Toms (yeah you Jack & Jill Bougie Ninjaz) be crrraaackin me up!!
You gotta be white. Ya'll have no sense of TRUE Reality.
Ya'll really think your superiority is clearly meant to be.
YOU are telling us that you know our reality better than we know it. WTF!!!!!
I'm gonna calm myself and get back to being enslaved.
peaces
lol
and do
>something to CHANGE the things
>you dislike. Don't sit on
>your ass and complain. You
>have a voice and you
>have a choice. If you
>don't want to ACTIVELY be
>American, then leave America. Do
>you have any idea how
>many people would give their
>right leg to live here???
>I think you are ungrateful...

Who ever you are. I wake up everymorning and give thanks for being. I love each day of my life. I don't need America to feel like this. I'm sure there are people who live in poverty and have this same feeling as I. America provides us with a false sense of reality/comfort. I can't stress that enough. Did you ever see the movie Gladiator, and How the Emperor (Son of Caesar who killed his own father) brought back Gladiator "SPORTS" to keep the people occupied and pacified because there was no war (like America. See Survivor, Real World, Caught on Camera, Reality TV, etc.), and the Emperor didn't know how the fuck to govern the people properley. EVEN IN THE BEGINNING THE FATHER SAW THE FUTILITY of their EUROPEAN system of governing. His question was basically WHY? Don't you see how this equates to our country? The ROME of Modern times?
The MONUEMENT IS IN YOUR FACE!!!!

>why don't you move to
>Tijuana or Afghanistan.

I'll move to Tijuana I'm half mexican grrringa!

These places
>where people live in poverty,
>or people live without basic
>human rights.
>
>Then leave this country and make
>space for someone who will
>appreciate it.
I will walk anywhwere on this planet! The earth is my home.
Fuck what you've been told. "Planet Home/I wanna go there/If only we can make it right!"
That's my attitude. I'm pushing towards true freedom. Free from the false realities in front of your eyes!
>
>>
>>There's your foundation!!
>I've nowhere stated that America is
>a perfect country, but the
>ideals... the ideals

The ideals are distorted/unclear/and I think the constitution still states that blacks are 3/4 human. That has yet to be ratified (But like the devils give a what, and like it really matters. I know who I am, and what glory has created me and dwells within me.
that the
>country was founded on are
>something that EVERY human deserves
>and can respect. Just because
>those ideals aren't a complete
>reality doesn't make them not
>worth fighting for or invalid.
>
>
>That document is the only thing
>seperating you, better yet, PROTECTING
>you from losing every right,
>like the right of free
>speech, you know that right
>that allows you to go
>on the computer and talk
>about how much you HATE
>America?

I'll go anywhere and talk about my disgust for America.
Well, move to Iraq...Cool. That'd be different.

>print something about how much
>you dislike your country and
>get shot.
Shit I'll get shot here!!
Why go to Iraq! I'd probably get shot if I went to your hillbilly community (even if you are black or whatever) and started talkin about Rednecks/and faggot ass biggots. It's real baby It is Real! But you know what I'm willing to get shot. Your just mad cause I'm the type of person to disrupt your false sense of American reality. Where everythings kosher we just have to work on it some more. "That I have a dream" Slogan. Yeah we do have to work on it, but we have to work within ourselves. We don't look within though. We look everywhere else except.
>
>>And if you speak the truth
>>too lound you get killed.
>> Ask Malcolm, Martin, Medgar
>>Evars, Fred Hampton...the list is
>>ill should I keep going?
>So does that mean the truth
>should not be spoken? The
>truth is WORTH DYING FOR.
>Maybe your truths aren't, mine
>are. You should evaluate your
>own beliefs before calling out
>the names of great men.

LOL
What the hell are you talking about? Evaluate MY belieFS!!!
THESE BRUTHAS ARE THE REASON I BELIEVE IN WHAT I DO!!!
you are killing me.
You know what? Let one who is content with their ignorance, wallow in it. I've tried my best to be courteous but I have obviously not done a good job. Forgive me. But your killing me here.
>
>
>SInce you so obviously hate the
>government, what are YOU doing
>to change it? What positive
>actions have you taken to
>make a difference in this
>unlivable country that you've been
>so begrudging forced to reap
>the benefits from?

"On the Inside he was dead/and this is what he said/AS HE TOOK AWAY THE BLUE FROM OUT THE CLOUDS!!/SUPERIORITY WAS CLEARLY MEANT TO BE!"--Jamiroquai-I like this white boy betta than that new brutha out of England. That brutha ain't sayin a daaaaayum thaang!!!

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

>First let me say you gotta
>be some poedunk livin out
>in Corn Husk,Wyoming. lol
>Sorry that was rude. I
>apologize. 4 real
This is your first incorrect assumption from this post.

>But really is that the only
>thing you can come back
>at me with
>"That ole 1950 patriotic/Redscare crap 'Love
>it or Leave it'
>lol

Why not leave it? Why do you stay? That's what I want to know. If you're so disgusted by this country why do you stay? If you aint part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

>Americans are the most foolish people
>on the planet.
>We have the minds of children.
> Any little flash or
>whatever to catch our eye
>and we are hypnotized. Easily
>pacified. Eeager for narcotic
>like lies to ease the
>pain.
And like a child, America will learn. America IS indeed a child, young in comparison to other nations.

>Do ever watch National Geographic or
>any "Educational T.V." and
>see how indigenous people react
>to our "Technology"? They
>think most of our shit
>is stupid. And they're
>right. It's all excess.
> Home of the slave
>land of the excessively sick.
> I'm caught in it
>too.
Yes, you obviously are. Ranting about the evils of technology while sitting at your computer. You speak on things you don't live. You are a hypocrite. Now it's quite corny to quote the matrix, i know... But "there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path" I walk my path, you watch yours pass you by. If you believe it, live it.


>>or do something about it. Nobody
>>is forcing you to be
>>an American. Nobody is forcing
>>you to live in America.
>>Don't like it? Leave it.
>>Don't want to leave? Then
>>appreciate the reasons you don't
>>want to leave...
>
>WHAT? Appreciate the fact that
>we have to PAY just
>to be alive? Appreciate
>that the only way to
>live comfortabley is blind myself
>to truth and make it
>my enemy? lol
>Ya'll Crackaz, Patriotic types, hippies,rednecks/uncle Toms
>(yeah you Jack & Jill
>Bougie Ninjaz) be crrraaackin me
>up!!
>You gotta be white. Ya'll
>have no sense of TRUE
>Reality.
>Ya'll really think your superiority is
>clearly meant to be.
>YOU are telling us that you
>know our reality better than
>we know it. WTF!!!!!
Your second incorrect assumption of the post.

>I'm gonna calm myself and get
>back to being enslaved.
>peaces
>lol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> and do
>>something to CHANGE the things
>>you dislike. Don't sit on
>>your ass and complain. You
>>have a voice and you
>>have a choice. If you
>>don't want to ACTIVELY be
>>American, then leave America. Do
>>you have any idea how
>>many people would give their
>>right leg to live here???
>>I think you are ungrateful...
>
>Who ever you are. I wake
>up everymorning and give thanks
>for being. I love
>each day of my life.
> I don't need America
>to feel like this.
>I'm sure there are people
>who live in poverty and
>have this same feeling as
>I. America provides us
>with a false sense of
>reality/comfort. I can't stress
>that enough. Did you
>ever see the movie Gladiator,
>and How the Emperor (Son
>of Caesar who killed his
>own father) brought back Gladiator
>"SPORTS" to keep the people
>occupied and pacified because there
>was no war (like America.
> See Survivor, Real World,
>Caught on Camera, Reality TV,
>etc.), and the Emperor didn't
>know how the fuck to
>govern the people properley.
>EVEN IN THE BEGINNING THE
>FATHER SAW THE FUTILITY of
>their EUROPEAN system of governing.
> His question was basically
>WHY? Don't you see
>how this equates to our
>country? The ROME of
>Modern times?
>The MONUEMENT IS IN YOUR FACE!!!!
Yes, yes, yes fine. I don't have any problem with you believing in whatever it is you believe in. I have a problem with you being the PACIFIST. You do nothing to try and facilitate change. You say it's fucked up, but oh well. You say technology is evil, stupid, wrong, excess, but you don't live by your own code.

>>why don't you move to
>>Tijuana or Afghanistan.
>
>I'll move to Tijuana I'm half
>mexican grrringa!
Have you ever been to Tijuana? I'm talking on the border tj, not further south. Have you ever SEEN the CHILDREN that beg the tourists for money at 3 oclock in the morning in their tattered clothes? Have you ever seen the women curled up in a corner living on the street?

>These places
>>where people live in poverty,
>>or people live without basic
>>human rights.
>>
>>Then leave this country and make
>>space for someone who will
>>appreciate it.
>I will walk anywhwere on this
>planet! The earth is
>my home.
>Fuck what you've been told.
>"Planet Home/I wanna go there/If
>only we can make it
>right!"
>That's my attitude. I'm pushing
>towards true freedom. Free
>from the false realities in
>front of your eyes!



>>>There's your foundation!!
>>I've nowhere stated that America is
>>a perfect country, but the
>>ideals... the ideals
>
>The ideals are distorted/unclear/and I think
>the constitution still states that
>blacks are 3/4 human.
>That has yet to be
>ratified (But like the devils
>give a what, and like
>it really matters. I
>know who I am, and
>what glory has created me
>and dwells within me.
and you don't think that you should strive to make your personal reality, a reality for those who aren't so 'blessed'?

> that the
>>country was founded on are
>>something that EVERY human deserves
>>and can respect. Just because
>>those ideals aren't a complete
>>reality doesn't make them not
>>worth fighting for or invalid.
>>
>>
>>That document is the only thing
>>seperating you, better yet, PROTECTING
>>you from losing every right,
>>like the right of free
>>speech, you know that right
>>that allows you to go
>>on the computer and talk
>>about how much you HATE
>>America?
>
>I'll go anywhere and talk about
>my disgust for America.
> Well, move to Iraq...Cool.
>That'd be different.
That's not what I menat, I meant go to Iraq and talk about how much you hate Iraq.
>>print something about how much
>>you dislike your country and
>>get shot.

>Shit I'll get shot here!!
YOU'RE NOT BEING SHOT RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU??? You are expressing your rights to free speech, something you won't get all over the earth.

>Why go to Iraq! I'd
>probably get shot if I
>went to your hillbilly community
>(even if you are black
>or whatever) and started talkin
>about Rednecks/and faggot ass biggots.
"faggot ass bigots" that statement in and of itself is hypocritical. My community is far from hillbilly, your third incorrect assumption.

>It's real baby It is
>Real! But you know
>what I'm willing to get
>shot. Your just mad
>cause I'm the type of
>person to disrupt your false
>sense of American reality.

I'm not mad at all, don't confuse a lively debate with anger. I, unlike you, haven't insulted anyone or made any incorrect assumptions.

>Where everythings kosher we just
>have to work on it
>some more. "That I
>have a dream" Slogan. Yeah
>we do have to work
>on it, but we have
>to work within ourselves.
>We don't look within though.
> We look everywhere else
>except.
Do you expect perfection with one stroke of the pen? Everything needs to be worked on... from Republican government to village government. Nothing works perfectly. The struggle to make a better life will not come quickly, easily or without sacrifice. You said it yourself, America is a child. It will take decades, centuries, eons to make it a better place... but you should still try.

I look plenty within... I am content in my truths/beliefs/ideals.
> >>And if you speak the truth
>>>too lound you get killed.
>>> Ask Malcolm, Martin, Medgar
>>>Evars, Fred Hampton...the list is
>>>ill should I keep going?
>>So does that mean the truth
>>should not be spoken? The
>>truth is WORTH DYING FOR.
>>Maybe your truths aren't, mine
>>are. You should evaluate your
>>own beliefs before calling out
>>the names of great men.
>
>LOL
>What the hell are you talking
>about? Evaluate MY belieFS!!!

I'm talking about how these men sang from clifftops about what they believed, the faced danger and ultimately death for their truths. The believed so strongly they were willing to DIE for it. I'm talking about being scared to "speak the truth too loudly", Because the risk is death should the truth go unspoken?

>THESE BRUTHAS ARE THE REASON I
>BELIEVE IN WHAT I DO!!!
>
>you are killing me.
>You know what? Let one
>who is content with their
>ignorance, wallow in it.
Indeed.
>I've tried my best to
>be courteous but I have
>obviously not done a good
>job. Forgive me.
>But your killing me here.
>
>>
>>
>>SInce you so obviously hate the
>>government, what are YOU doing
>>to change it? What positive
>>actions have you taken to
>>make a difference in this
>>unlivable country that you've been
>>so begrudging forced to reap
>>the benefits from?

You still haven't answered my 2 questions... Are your truths and beliefs worth dying for? and what are you doing to change America for the better??

>
>"On the Inside he was dead/and
>this is what he said/AS
>HE TOOK AWAY THE BLUE
>FROM OUT THE CLOUDS!!/SUPERIORITY WAS
>CLEARLY MEANT TO BE!"--Jamiroquai-I like
>this white boy betta than
>that new brutha out of
>England. That brutha ain't
>sayin a daaaaayum thaang!!!
craig david? he ain't _that_ bad...

"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

Jesus smited my signature!

How are you gonna make all of these assumptions. You're not attacking my arguement, you're attacking me. You don't even know me. You don't know that I've been a National Representative for California iN the NAACP. I use to talk to Ben Chavis (b4 he turned Moslem. The NAACP neva did like him.) I've mentored in elementary schools in SouthWest Atlanta, Georgia (the slums baby). You don't know that I have family ties to Caesar Chavez, and that my mother marched with the man. YOu don't know that I build with an Aunt who is a judge in Los Angeles who keeps me up on current events and politics (poly meaning many/tics meaning blood sucking creatures). I'm tuned into the 360th degree, I'm tuned into the 360th degree!!
YOU DON"T KNOW THAT I AM GATHERING OKAY ACTIVISTS ON THE WEST COAST TO BEGIN A TRUE ACTIVIST GROUP.
Hell yeah I'm on the computer!! I gotta get paid so I can leave this country!! But you know what, this cespool still won't be rid of me. I'll raise my children to be everything that America was suppose to be and beyond it. All the pettyness of this western civilization!! What now Bombshell? What Now. I'm all up in the BIG MELTING POT!! I am one who is one with all things. Believe me I know about technology. Shit I live in the Silicon Valley. These crackaz ain't got us in mind in terms of their plans for the future. I mean scientists have put up an WHYBIOTECH.com site to lie to people about the dangers of bio-technology. Know self, then know who you're speaking To.
I mean your admirable though.

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>How are you gonna make all
>of these assumptions.
Wait, wait, wait.. back up a moment. YOU'RE the one who assumed I was from hillbilly land. You're the one who assumed I was white. I haven't assumed thing one about you.

You're
>not attacking my arguement, you're
>attacking me. You don't
>even know me.
Indeed, I do not know you, so I cannot attack you. I can only see from your type where you'd use something like "faggot ass bigots" and construe from that statement that you are a hypocrite. I can only see from your type that you denounce technology yet you use it to make your life better.


You
>don't know that I've been
>a National Representative for California
>iN the NAACP. I
>use to talk to Ben
>Chavis (b4 he turned Moslem.
> The NAACP neva did
>like him.) I've
>mentored in elementary schools in
>SouthWest Atlanta, Georgia (the slums
>baby). You don't know
>that I have family ties
>to Caesar Chavez, and that
>my mother marched with the
>man.
That doesn't make you Caesar Chavez. Name dropping, an activist doesn't make.

YOu don't know
>that I build with an
>Aunt who is a judge
>in Los Angeles who keeps
>me up on current events
>and politics (poly meaning many/tics
>meaning blood sucking creatures).
What is your point?

>I'm tuned into the 360th
>degree, I'm tuned into the
>360th degree!!
>YOU DON"T KNOW THAT I AM
>GATHERING OKAY ACTIVISTS ON THE
>WEST COAST TO BEGIN A
>TRUE ACTIVIST GROUP.
And what are you going to do?? You still haven't answered my question. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? I want specific examples. Not to discredit you, but because I am genuinely interested.

>Hell yeah I'm on the computer!!
> I gotta get paid
>so I can leave this
>country!! But you know
>what, this cespool still won't
>be rid of me.
>I'll raise my children to
>be everything that America was
>suppose to be and beyond
>it.
Good, That's great. As I will raise mine, but they will know that if they want something they have to fight for it, and if they believe something they have to live it.



"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

Jesus smited my signature!

When I made those comments I immediately apologized. They were in a joking mattere anyway.
I plan to do whatever I can to expand and awaken the consciousness of individuals such as yourselves, but more importantley children. Your not being sensible. Of course I use technology, it's wherever I go!!. If I want to get paid I have to survive!!!
SURVIVAL IS ALWAYS FIRST!!
I MUST SURVIVE.

You sound like an old ass wigger from 1955

GO GO Just leave. lol
you act like it's that easy, being born here, nobody asks to be born anywhere.
Why do you want to know about our activist group? DO you want to participate? If you want to know participate. What do you do? It doesn't really matter cause I'm not worried about YOU. I'm arguing with your ideas

Now as for me saying faggot biggots. How am I a hypocrite from this one statement. It is well known that most of these racists billionaires and other men of high rank lead sexually sick homosexual lifestyles they cover up with families.
(and have been since early greece and I'm sure b4 that. I am also aware of other cultures homosexual on goings)

Now if you couldn't see what I meant by the break down of politics, I'm trying to show you that those in power know they are only their to suck the life out of our existence. True life

"Gotta get paid and leave the states/the richest country's full of primates/I'm fly at any rate"-Pablo

So what I name dropped Caesar Chavez. Of course I'm not him. But I'm letting you know that I've been influenced by people who have always been conscious of the ills of America and have been trying all their lives to make it better. My aunt Hates the government, yet she's a judge. YOu need some understanding who ever you may be. This is a touchy subject for me. I NOTICED YOU DIDN'T COMMENT ABOUT MY MENTORING IN SOUTHWEST ATLANTA. What the hell do you think that is. I love children. I want to teach. I'm not gonna sit here and argue about who started this. We both made it personal. I could sit here and ask what you do. But on the real I don't even wanna know. I can see you do defend a country ,that sees you like a snake sees a rodent....prey, BLINDLEY!!!! You speak of my hypocracy...which is funny...but you don't see the biggest hypocrite....Uncle Sam. Understand I am the Hypocrite Gunner. America does need time to change, but those in power at the time will destroy this planet before they surrender it to the LOrds of LIght/people of the sun.

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>When I made those comments I
>immediately apologized. They were
>in a joking mattere anyway.
ok.

>I plan to do whatever I
>can to expand and awaken
>the consciousness of individuals such
>as yourselves, but more importantley
>children. Your not being
>sensible. Of course I
>use technology, it's wherever I
>go!!. If I want
>to get paid I
>have to survive!!!
>SURVIVAL IS ALWAYS FIRST!!
>I MUST SURVIVE.
This is where we differ. What is it to survive if you are living falsehood? If I believe in something I live it. You don't, fine. I get it.

>You sound like an old ass
>wigger from 1955
>
>GO GO Just leave. lol
See.... can't you make a response without something like this? I thought we were trying to have some kind of civilized exchange of ideas... alas, I was wrong.

>you act like it's that easy,
>being born here, nobody asks
>to be born anywhere.
>Why do you want to know
>about our activist group?
>DO you want to participate?
> If you want to
>know participate. What do
>you do? It doesn't
>really matter cause I'm not
>worried about YOU. I'm
>arguing with your ideas
I wouldn't participate in something if I didn't know what it was about, which is why I'm asking for specifics. As I stated, it's not an attack, I'm interested in knowing what your intentions are.

>Now as for me saying faggot
>biggots. How am I
>a hypocrite from this one
>statement. It is well
>known that most of these
>racists billionaires and other men
>of high rank lead sexually
>sick homosexual lifestyles they cover
>up with families.
> (and have been since early
>greece and I'm sure b4
>that. I am also aware
>of other cultures homosexual on
>goings)

big·ot n. A person who is intolerant of a creed, belief etc. that differs from his own and is often prejudiced against people holding them.

You can't call someone else a bigot and USE A BIGOTED TERM like "faggot" That, sir, is hypocrisy.


>Now if you couldn't see what
>I meant by the break
>down of politics, I'm trying
>to show you that those
> in power know they
>are only their to suck
>the life out of our
>existence. True life
Like I said, OK I have no problem with you believing this is the truth. But what are you doing about it?

>"Gotta get paid and leave the
>states/the richest country's full of
>primates/I'm fly at any rate"-Pablo
>
>
>So what I name dropped Caesar
>Chavez. Of course I'm
>not him. But I'm
>letting you know that I've
>been influenced by people who
>have always been conscious of
>the ills of America and
>have been trying all their
>lives to make it better.
So do you think that all these people, King, X, Chavez, hated America? Or do you think they saw something WORTH changing?

> My aunt Hates the
>government, yet she's a judge.
> YOu need some understanding
>who ever you may be.
> This is a touchy
>subject for me. I
>NOTICED YOU DIDN'T COMMENT ABOUT
>MY MENTORING IN SOUTHWEST ATLANTA.
> What the hell do
>you think that is.
I think it's great. It's a wonderful thing. I doubt you need my approval.
>I love children. I
>want to teach. I'm
>not gonna sit here and
>argue about who started this.
> We both made it
>personal. I could sit
>here and ask what you
>do. But on the
>real I don't even wanna
>know. I can see
>you do defend a country
>,that sees you like a
>snake sees a rodent....prey, BLINDLEY!!!!
> You speak of my
>hypocracy...which is funny...but you don't
>see the biggest hypocrite....Uncle Sam.
> Understand I am the
>Hypocrite Gunner. America does
>need time to change, but
>those in power at the
>time will destroy this planet
>before they surrender it to
>the LOrds of LIght/people of
>the sun.
I think you've missed my point on several occassions. I'm not attacking what you believe or even arguing against it anymore. I want to know what you do to make change. Being a rep. for the NAACP, mentoring in school, those are great things.

I still think that if you dont understand and appreciate the good things about America then you should leave, make way for someone else who can live a better life by reaping those benefits. In afghanistan women can't leave the house after dark. they can't leave the house without wearing full body robes. If some woman doesn't "appreciate" the fact that this does not apply to her while she lives in America, then she should try living there.

We disagree. That's fine.

"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

Jesus smited my signature!

Whatever home girl
You're obviously blinded by the arrogance of your own intellect. When i say I have to survive I mean I make the best out of my situation. If I don't work on my computer I don't get paid, if I don't get paid I don't have the money to leave. Why am I bringin this up. You do not want to have any understanding. Wether you're white or black your lost. Follow the lIght. Open your heart. Intellect can lead you astray. Shut that big brain up and listen to your heart sista. So what your an english Whiz kid, that's just knowledge to know things. You say I don't live by what I believe. Well it's hard to when you're a black man in America. Period. Grow up. I've listened and responded to everything you've brought up but you continue to be blind and childish. Peace unto you and all your endeavors.

Just hope they don't cross paths with mine...for your sake.

Right now we need to say no more.

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>Whatever home girl
>You're obviously blinded by the arrogance
>of your own intellect.
Obviously... this is laughable.

>When i say I have
>to survive I mean I
>make the best out of
>my situation. If I
>don't work on my computer
>I don't get paid, if
>I don't get paid I
>don't have the money to
>leave. Why am I
>bringin this up. You
>do not want to have
>any understanding. Wether you're
>white or black your lost.
> Follow the lIght.
>Open your heart. Intellect
>can lead you astray.
I think you're over-reacting. I'm trying to have a discussion with you and you're offended at every other turn.

>Shut that big brain up
>and listen to your heart
>sista. So what your
>an english Whiz kid, that's
>just knowledge to know things.
> You say I don't
>live by what I believe.
> Well it's hard to
>when you're a black man
>in America. Period. Grow
>up.
And it's hard to when you're a black woman in America too, but that's no excuse.

I've listened and
>responded to everything you've brought
>up but you continue to
>be blind and childish.
I'm not going to even ask where I've been childish, this is just plain nonsense.

>Peace unto you and all
>your endeavors.
Likewise
>Just hope they don't cross paths
>with mine...for your sake.
Why? That sounds like a threat, are you going to kick my ass? Entirely laughable. What you are trying to pass off as taking the respectable way out is too easily seen for what it really is.

>Right now we need to say
>no more.
And yes, I'm getting the last word in. So you can have one point on my part for being childish, but I assure you, your column is full.

Good Luck with you and yours.
"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

Jesus smited my signature!

>>Whatever home girl
>>You're obviously blinded by the arrogance
>>of your own intellect.
>Obviously... this is laughable.
>
>>When i say I have
>>to survive I mean I
>>make the best out of
>>my situation. If I
>>don't work on my computer
>>I don't get paid, if
>>I don't get paid I
>>don't have the money to
>>leave. Why am I
>>bringin this up. You
>>do not want to have
>>any understanding. Wether you're
>>white or black your lost.
>> Follow the lIght.
>>Open your heart. Intellect
>>can lead you astray.
>I think you're over-reacting. I'm trying
>to have a discussion with
>you and you're offended at
>every other turn.
>
>>Shut that big brain up
>>and listen to your heart
>>sista. So what your
>>an english Whiz kid, that's
>>just knowledge to know things.
>> You say I don't
>>live by what I believe.
>> Well it's hard to
>>when you're a black man
>>in America. Period. Grow
>>up.
>And it's hard to when you're
>a black woman in America
>too, but that's no excuse.
>
>
> I've listened and
>>responded to everything you've brought
>>up but you continue to
>>be blind and childish.
>I'm not going to even ask
>where I've been childish, this
>is just plain nonsense.
>
>>Peace unto you and all
>>your endeavors.
>Likewise
>>Just hope they don't cross paths
>>with mine...for your sake.
>Why? That sounds like a threat,
>are you going to kick
>my ass? Entirely laughable. What
>you are trying to pass
>off as taking the respectable
>way out is too easily
>seen for what it really
>is.
>
>>Right now we need to say
>>no more.
>And yes, I'm getting the last
>word in. So you can
>have one point on my
>part for being childish, but
>I assure you, your column
>is full.
>
>Good Luck with you and yours.
>
>"Me fail english? That's unpossible!"

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Kick your ass?
No but you'll soon learn. It's not all about that big brain of yours. And that intellect of the heart is what controls your conscious/will. If I'm coming across Harsh i'm sorry. I get into my discussions. I won't front homegirl I have a lot to learn, but as you do. yeah I'm sayin fuck America cause I don't need it to identify with anything. All I need is that sun up in space to know who I am. Not some country.
I sometimes get upset when I know I can't change peoples minds, that's another thing I work on. But anyways
I'm out
peaces

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the philippines and they came here for the same reasons that most immigrants come, for the opportunities that are not available anywhere else. i am aware of the injustices in this nation and i've fought them in more ways than one, but i am also aware of the privileges that i have. despite the inconsistencies, the injustices, and the corruption, we have much more opportunities than any other place in the world. i've been to the philippines quite a few times, and each time i go, i realize how fortunate i am. poverty is terrible anywhere in the world and you realize it even more when you visit a third world nation and you hear the stories of what your parents had to go through growing up. we are very lucky indeed and we have to take this privilege and use it to help others. this is what i thought of during the 4th.

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>the philippines and they came here
>for the same reasons that
>most immigrants come, for the
>opportunities that are not available
>anywhere else. i am
>aware of the injustices in
>this nation and i've fought
>them in more ways than
>one, but i am also
>aware of the privileges that
>i have. despite the
>inconsistencies, the injustices, and the
>corruption, we have much more
>opportunities than any other place
>in the world. i've been
>to the philippines quite a
>few times, and each time
>i go, i realize how
>fortunate i am. poverty is
>terrible anywhere in the world
>and you realize it even
>more when you visit a
>third world nation and you
>hear the stories of what
>your parents had to go
>through growing up


THE REASON WHY THESE OTHER NATIONS ARE LIKE THEY ARE BECAUSE OF AMERICA!!! AND THEY ALL GOT WESTERN GOVERNMENTS OR THEY'RE TRYING TO BE LIKE OUR GOVERNMENT. cOUNTRIES Are third world because of America and Europe! All of that colonization DID HAVE IT's Effects.

"You seek and it hurts to be def dumb and blind/A supreme mind/will take you out of your peralisis."-Lord Jammar

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going anywhere else better...

https://twitter.com/onnextlevel

>going anywhere else better...

Love the land, fuck tha country as a whole (Government)!!
I'm from American BUt I"m not OF it.

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Hell yeah! I'd be up and out as soon as a milked this worthless country for whats its worth which is economic success. Money and prosperity is all the US has to offer once I use this country to get rich, I'm out. Money has be substituted for democracy, morality, equality, justice, honesty, love, and everything else that I deem to be important. So as soon as I get enough dough Im out. I would never want to do my unborn the injustice of raising them in such a mentally and spiritually hindering environment. Im heading to Cuba, or Jamaica, or Trinidad, or England, or Madagascar, or Japan, or India, or anywhere else but here. Damn... the education system here ain't even worth shit. (Yes I used ain't on purpose). All the opportunity in the world couldn't keep me here. Opportunity ain't shit but a wish sittin' on hope. The US doesn't need physical slavery because they have 99.9% of the people enslaving themselve. God said... don't do this, God said don't do that People died so I could vote, My vote really matters, I gotta get a good ejukashon, to get a "real" job to by this, to live there, to pay these bills, to die and be buried somewhere nice. I may end up somewhere hot as hell with a grass hut for a house, but damn ... at least my kids will be able to break bread with freedom.

>Hell yeah! I'd be
>up and out as soon
>as a milked this worthless
>country for whats its worth
>which is economic success.

it's definitely more than that.

> Money and prosperity is
>all the US has to
>offer once I use this
>country to get rich, I'm
>out. Money has be
>substituted for democracy, morality, equality,
>justice, honesty, love, and everything
>else that I deem to
>be important.

in as small doses as "democracy, morality, equality, justice, honesty, love, and everything else" are here in this country, there are parts of the world where they're non-existent. every year thousands of immigrants literally die trying to come into this country to make a better life for themselves and their families.

So as
>soon as I get enough
>dough Im out. I
>would never want to do
>my unborn the injustice of
>raising them in such a
>mentally and spiritually hindering environment.

ah but if you only trully knew what a "mentally and spiritually hindering environment" was, you'd understand how completely errenous this statement is with regards to the American government. You're getting a little too carried away with your disgust and disenchantment about this country to realize how ridiculous your statements sound. Try telling that to someone from Lybia or any other third world country and see the reaction you get.

> Im heading to Cuba,
>or Jamaica, or Trinidad, or
>England, or Madagascar, or Japan,
>or India, or anywhere else
>but here. Damn... the
>education system here ain't even
>worth shit. (Yes I used
>ain't on purpose). All
>the opportunity in the world
>couldn't keep me here.
>Opportunity ain't shit but a
>wish sittin' on hope.
>The US doesn't need physical
>slavery because they have 99.9%
>of the people enslaving themselve.

but people here -citizens,residents, immigrants (illegal and otherwise) are still 100% more free than in some of the places you mentioned wanting to move to.


> God said... don't do
>this, God said don't do
>that People died so I
>could vote, My vote
>really matters, I gotta get
>a good ejukashon, to get
>a "real" job to by
>this, to live there, to
>pay these bills, to die
>and be buried somewhere nice.
> I may
>end up somewhere hot as
>hell with a grass hut
>for a house, but damn
>... at least my kids
>will be able to break
>bread with freedom.

geez. before you start packing up and throwing all this American sh*t out the window, find out about the world you want to run to. and don't just sit content with what you've seen on tv because that seems to be the only thing that your basing all this resentment on.

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I do know alot about the world and other countries...
but the only reason that most people flee their countries to come here is because they posses the same false illusion of the american dream that most people here have. And no matter what it all comes down to MONEY. A third world country is considered to be any country that is not as economically developed as the US. These are the same folks who said that blacks weren't human and civilized just because the culture was not their own. People come here because they see opportunity for economic sucess. They may even want to break from religious persecution but religion is the largest form of mental slavery anyway.... thats why you can practice any religion in the US because its like putting the shackles on yourself. _______ism (Choose any religion)says or believes that you should obey laws, live a "good" life, be nice to others, do whats "right" Praise ME and do as I say.


Also you say that most people here are free?? What constitutes freedom to you may not constitute freedom to me. Enlightenment is the only true freedom to me. Not no bullshit like being able to vote, and the rest of those worldly things mentioned in the Bill of Rights, nothing that is related to the government will ever represent freedom. May be you should do some research and learn the motives for the set up of the US government. Guess what... its not to let the people be free, in case you haven't figured it out yet. The enslavement that I speak of is strictly mental and is on a level that most people wont ever see.

And a majority of your opinion is relative, for example "to make a better life for themselves" what is a better life? Coming here to the US and working yourself to death? Yeah you may have a car and a house and food, but you never even lived. But that may not be a "better" life in someone elses eyes. Cuba cannot be too bad if Assata loves it there. And I don't believe shit I see on tv. I take dead prez's advice .. believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. Im totally aware that 95% of the stuff on tv are lies and propaganda to fool the citizens of america into thinking this is the best country, and it is obviously doing its job! No other country really likes the US, and its not jealousy. Why do you think terroist are always attacking the US? but those same "terrorist" have dinner with Farrakahn? Maybe you should try to see the country for what it is. Not for what you want it to be or for what it could or should be.

And how dare you make assumptions about my capacity of knowledge? I know a lot and for me the only true knowledge is experience... to say you know something and you haven't experienced it is an oxymoron.

>I do know alot about the
>world and other countries...
>but the only reason that most
>people flee their countries to
>come here is because they
>posses the same false illusion
>of the american dream that
>most people here have.

well some people will take this false illusion over the realities they're living. because at least with this false illusion, they have more choices and more freedoms than they can ever dream of having where they are.

>And no matter what it
>all comes down to MONEY.

no doubt. money might be a big part of it but it's still more than just money. it's not that black and white.

>A third world country is
>considered to be any country
>that is not as economically
>developed as the US. These
>are the same folks who
>said that blacks weren't human
>and civilized just because the
>culture was not their own.
> People come here because
>they see opportunity for economic
>sucess. They may even want
>to break from religious persecution
>but religion is the largest
>form of mental slavery anyway....
>thats why you can practice
>any religion in the US
>because its like putting the
>shackles on yourself. _______ism
>(Choose any religion)says or believes
>that you should obey laws,
>live a "good" life, be
>nice to others, do whats
>"right" Praise ME and do
>as I say.
>
what about governmental corruption, ethnicity wars and "ethnicism", crime, poverty, disease. it's not just about religion (though I'm sure you had all these in mind). there are so many things that can make someone fed up with the life they're living, and with America portrayed as the land where you can do just about anything you please, even the shortcomings of this culture are bearable compared to the persecution and distress of other places. you cannot put a price on peace of mind. you just can't.

>
>Also you say that most people
>here are free?? What constitutes
>freedom to you may not
>constitute freedom to me.
>Enlightenment is the only true
>freedom to me. Not
>no bullshit like being able
>to vote, and the rest
>of those worldly things mentioned
>in the Bill of Rights,
>nothing that is related to
>the government will ever represent
>freedom. May be you should
>do some research and learn
>the motives for the set
>up of the US government.
>Guess what... its not to
>let the people be free,
>in case you haven't figured
>it out yet. The enslavement
>that I speak of is
>strictly mental and is on
>a level that most people
>wont ever see.
>And a majority of your opinion
>is relative, for example "to
>make a better life for
>themselves" what is a
>better life? Coming here
>to the US and working
>yourself to death? Yeah
>you may have a car
>and a house and food,
>but you never even lived.
> But that may not
>be a "better" life in
>someone elses eyes. Cuba
>cannot be too bad if
>Assata loves it there.

I'm not saying that all third world countries are intolerable places to live in. but if you don't have money or a family with a name and the money to provide the kind of security and peace of mind that only money can buy in these countries, well guess what, you'll still be "working yourself to death" and you won't have lived any better. and you probably won't even have a car or a house or food. and how do you propose you're going to attain this "enlightenment" when every morning you have to wonder if your house will still be standing when you return from slaving away at the end of the day. if YOU will be still standing at the end of the day. I'm not sure what you mean by enlightenment here. unless you're from a tribe existing secluded from the ills of modern society, still retaining all the traditions and lifestyles of your ancestors before you, and becoming enlightened within and about your culture and life, your money is all you've got to protect your property and yourself and "enlightenment" in this case is not free for all. Assata doesn't live in a hut on a hill. she has money. she knows people. she has a name there.
you're right in saying freedom is relative.

>And I don't believe shit
>I see on tv.
>I take dead prez's advice
>.. believe none of what
>you hear and half of
>what you see. Im
>totally aware that 95% of
>the stuff on tv are
>lies and propaganda to fool
>the citizens of america into
>thinking this is the best
>country, and it is obviously
>doing its job! No
>other country really likes the
>US, and its not jealousy.

you're absolutely right. no other country really likes the US. but where else can you get away with openly rebuking and criticizing your country and not lose your life for it? but that's not even the point and don't think I'm saying that because you can it makes America a great land. the point i'm trying to make is that you're not a prisoner of your mind in this country - you're not forbidden from confronting and criticizing your oppressors.

> Why do you think
>terroist are always attacking the
>US? but those same
>"terrorist" have dinner with Farrakahn?
> Maybe you should
>try to see the country
>for what it is. Not
>for what you want it
>to be or for what
>it could or should be.
>
I see the country for what it is. I KNOW what this country is. but I don't let that get in the way of what I know my life is and what it could or should be. there's a difference. living in this country is only a means to an ends - it is not the end all. it is not the ultimate.

>And how dare you make assumptions
>about my capacity of knowledge?
>I know a lot and
>for me the only true
>knowledge is experience... to say
>you know something and you
>haven't experienced it is an
>oxymoron.

I made assumptions about your capacity of knowledge based on what you wrote. nothing more - nothing less. for your information what I know IS also from what I have experienced. I know what it's like to live in a country where you fear for your life for the mere fact that you belong to a certain group or class of people, I know what it's like to bargain for your freedom everyday with the "police" and the courts and the government and all the "protectors" of your civil rights, I know what it's like to be afraid of your own neighbours, I know what it's like to live without all the amenities of a modern society - no electricity, running water, or all the things that we take for granted on a regular basis. I know what it's like and YOU cannot DARE to say you know something that you've read about or seen or heard if you haven't lived it. man, don't get ahead of yourself.

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why???
cuz in some countries they give education away...
i would go to one of those places and get my school on...
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I'd have to do a lot more research and a lot more searching before I was willing to say yes.

As you said, there are a lot of freedoms that we have here that we take for granted until we go someplace else. And a large part of me wants to stay & find a way to work towards making all that "theory" a definite reality. But there are other times when I get fed up and just wanna give up on it.

A perfect situation, I think, would be the opportunity to travel & stay in each place for a few months at a time to really get a feel for the country & the people.




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although Afrika is a definite destination...

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if nothing else, I want to see the forts on the west african coast...see where my ancestors' journey began...



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