just trying to get an idea of how many people, what questions, and where we can go with this.

not even that you have to know anything about the subject, but to have some people scouring the web, or throwing in info that might lead us in the right direction towards some answers would be most helpful.

i was gonna start next monday so that we can look over some questions now, and go gather our books/resources over the weekend, and then come back monday and post our findings. i guess here we can survey the interests and pick and choose which ones we wanna dive into...

mine: what did the ancient egyptians call themselves and their land, and how do we know that? (don't answer now, this is just my interest).
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for now:

what was the relationship between ancient egypt and the rest of the continent?

what, if any, were the consistencies in the spiritual systems?

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heck, im in. I've been wondering about the same.
how widespread were the ancient egyptian cultures?

For example, i've seen a documentary that included some ancient maps from the greeks (i think?). The documentary said that the maps were most likely based on the works of the mapmakers from an egyptian city, which was the city of the mapmakers (it was by the Nile, but cant remember what it was called). The map, even if it was "roughly scetched", covered most of the globe as we know it, including the south pole and the american continent. Even up to Queen Maud's land (far up north).

Very much was lost in the library of Alexandria. The map and the theories could be all bogus, nothing but b.s.. But id love to find out more about it

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Peace



>what was the relationship between ancient
>egypt and the rest of
>the continent?

Specifically which areas of the continent and the people are you most interested in are you most curious about, in terms of their relationship with Kemet? As you know its a vary large continent, and therefore that is way too much to breakdown in such a broad manner. Give me a target to aim at and ill shoot...

>
>what, if any, were the consistencies
>in the spiritual systems?

The concept of Ma'at was the main consistency in their way of life. Ma'at was the goddess of truth and righteousness, she is pictured as a winged kneeling woman with a feather in her hair, as the feather, or as a standing wingless woman with a feather for a head. She represented the moral aspects of Kemetic life, and when one died, ones heart was weighed on the scales of justice against the feather of Ma'at. Ones heart had to be lighter than the feather in order to gain access to the after life. The concept of Ma'at involved 42 laws to live by, these are called the negative confessions, and these are which the ten commandments come from.

Beside this the other major consitency was the despite what orthodox historians teach, the concept of one great god. In kemet there were many gods, when first examined, hence why most orthodox egyptologists and historians refer to their religion as a polytheism. However when closely examined one finds that indeed it was monotheistic. See the different gods, such as Djehuti(tehuti, hermes, thoth hence the word thought)Heru(horus) Auset(Isis) Ausar(Osiris) Sekhemet, Bes, etc. were all god which represented certain aspects or characteristics of the one great god. The ancient Kemites understood that god was too infinite to be represented in a single physical form, and to make it easier for humans to comprehend the greatness of god, created individuals which represented these aspects and characteristics of the one great god, the characteristics of all that is. So when they praised a lower god, they were just paying tribute or homage to the aspects of the one great god which that lower good represented. The other consistency is the beilief in an after life which I touched apon earlier. Regardless of the period the Kemites believed that your sould survived a physical death and lived on. I stated part of this belief system in dealing with Ma'at.

These are just a few that came immediately to mind, im sure ill think of more later, and when I do ill notify you of them.

I hope this serves as something to start with.

Peace and Blessings

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Akwaaba

I don't want to start a long discussion on it but I think we have to evaluate the connotations of words that we use. I would argue that they (KMT) as well as most traditional Afrikan spiritual systems were neither monotheistic nor polytheistic. I say this because the context of "god" as we know it within the English language, is limited by the culture from which it stems. If we use the term "god" then we can arguably compare the concepts of divinity between the people of KMT (and the rest of Afrika) and the Western World. I would argue that these concepts are significantly different thus we can't accurately label the people of KMT as "monotheistic."

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I understand that, however since these are terms which people basically universally understand I chose to use them for claritys sake. If we dont use the term "GOD" then what term do you suggest we used. Im all for being as accurate as possible, however sometimes you have to sacrifice that, because the most accurate option isnt always available. I dont want to get into discussing linguistics, because thats a waste of time. I would think everyone understood what I was saying by the terms I used, and if they dont they can ask questions.

Peace and Blessings

is my focus, and why i want to be able to read and write responses from teh primary sources themselves...

to me, there is no reason to translate the information into "english" understanding. the abstract concepts are written in the primary language...so for me, the best way to understad and even to talk about it would be from THAT position. when translating/transliterating into another tongue, the possibilty of conceptual corruption is raised.

we gotta talk about the whole "land of the blacks" thing though.
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Yimhotep
I see no problem in using the words NTR and NTRU, i too really think we should avoid using the terms gods and goddesses, b/c most ppl r going to equate them w/ greek gods and goddesses and we sho ain't talkin about that. i think Ra Un Nefer Amen (altho, for some scholars some parts of his work is questionable, there is a lot that's beneficial) coined the term "syntheistic." NTR is a synthesis of an infinite amount of principles, ordering agents, etc. -> NTRU, NTR is a Divine Life Force that is omnipresent (i.e. resides in everything / is a part of everything).

i think we should use MDW NTR when ever possible and explain accordingly, but the "God-concept" does not apply to ancient Kemet (and that does not mean they were atheist either).

A discussion of the differences between the "God-concept" and Traditional Afrikan Spirituality (we can use kemetic spirituality as a case study) would be good. I saw a video tape once when a Sis. R.A. broke these down, if i can ever get a hold of it, i'll transfer the info.

Shemhotep

>I understand that, however since these
>are terms which people basically
>universally understand I chose to
>use them for claritys sake.
>If we dont use the
>term "GOD" then what term
>do you suggest we used.
>Im all for being as
>accurate as possible, however sometimes
>you have to sacrifice that,
>because the most accurate option
>isnt always available. I
>dont want to get into
>discussing linguistics, because thats a
>waste of time. I would
>think everyone understood what I
>was saying by the terms
>I used, and if they
>dont they can ask questions.
>
>
>Peace and Blessings


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in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

i've been saying that for a while..i thing the "god is immanent" post has some stuff in it explaining differences.

when i explain the "god concept" to people using illustrations, they see...hard to do on paper/internet.

definitely a different concept between "god" and "ntr". keep telling people. i'm exhausted now talking to westerners and trying to bridge the conceptual gaps and dealing with all teh preconceived thoughts they have. i'm really gonna have to dive into the glyphs and speak from that orientation...

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HTP

>i'm exhausted now talking to
>westerners and trying to bridge
>the conceptual gaps and dealing
>with all teh preconceived thoughts
>they have. i'm really gonna
>have to dive into the
>glyphs and speak from that
>orientation...

Yes, this is very frustrating, like when someone asked you about Afrikan Spirituality but wanted u to box the answer into stuff that's simple, tangible. i equte that to asking me to define the patois (actually it's Twi) word "unnu" in 1 word. I can't. there's no english equivalent, i need 2 and that's what ppl weren't getting in that post. the prob is asking ppl to step outside of a box when they don't realize they are in 1. some ppl don't grasp the concept that the way they think, what they think is their nature is what they've been told and can be unlearnt. man i get tired just reading sometimes, but it's all good i guess.

Shemhotep
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Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

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m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

i'm really tired of doing...and now thinking about why i even talk to those kind of people in the first place? even when they are sincerely trying to know...

if a person doesn't realize the reality conditioning, how can they even think they can learn something new? even if they really want to learn, you still gotta wade through all the hours and hours of conditioning they've been through.

sort of like when i was learning to backflip. until i actually "let go" and did it fluidly, i crashed everytime because i was scared of falling. i would analyze the movements so much and stick to calculating, that i never "DID" what my teacher said, and that was to "relax".

people are scared of going into unfamiliar territory and always want to have a lifeline to their way of thought to keep them feeling safe and "grounded". sometimes you have to "empty your cup" before getting new knowledge poured in...

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What is the role of the Neter Isis?

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what are the similarities between Inanna, Ishtar and Isis? and
what were the cultures that each name belonged?

Peace

Woah, thats a lot of info to list, because they are many similarities. Like I said Auset was the model which many other cultures followed when developing their concept of a great mother. I dont have the time at this moment do type it all, so expect a post regarding it thursday evening. If anyone else has accurate information please feel free to post.

PEACE

Yimhotep
I 2 have been wondering about explanation of the Ausarian myth, i like the explanation in Metu Neter tho'. Also, Isis, Osiris and Horus are greek names or aren't they? b/c i've heard both.
this does not necessarily have to be answered by Infinite.
Shemhotep
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Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

Kemetian
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m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

Ausarian...do you mean assurian, assyrian....or is there something else...

I don't know many things by their names, so what is the myth maybe I am familiar with that instead...

As well, it has been rumored that Isis is a greek name, irregardless, ancient egyptians have also used that name

Yimhotep
>Ausarian...do you mean assurian, assyrian....or is
>there something else...

By Ausarian i mean Ausarian, or ASRian. according to my understanding Osiris=ASR (or Ausar), Isis=AST(or Auset) and Horus=HRU(or Heru). This is, according to my understanding, The First Trinity, Father Mother Son. Auset is the Black Madonna worshipped in several places b4 she was ousted in favor of the "Holy Spirit." There are similarities between her story and that of the Virgin Mary. There is a myth that Heru avenged the death of his father Ausar by his uncle Set. It is said that Set representing disorder and chaos is where the words Satan/Shaitan come from.

Shemhotep
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Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

hmmm interesting sounds very similar to stories of Innanna/Ishtar...

as well, it has been said that tammuz/horus are where JC's myth comes from

>it has been
>said that tammuz/horus are where
>JC's myth comes from



Peace

Yes indeed it has, and indeed he is. Just some of the similarities are the following: Jesus performed the miracle of turning five loaves of bread in one case and seven in another to feed the many multitudes of people. This ties in with Horus who makes seven loaves of bread for Osiris to live by. Yashua is in the desert and being tempted by the Devil, who said to him, “If he was the son of God, turn a stone into bread.” The stone of the desert is symbolic of Set. As the child Horus comes to the Earth, then enters matter or becomes flesh. He is born as the word of his father who becomes Seb, who consort is Nu whose other name is Meri. Which is the same as Jesus coming down to Earth as the word of God in the flesh having and adopted father of Joseph (Seb) and Mary his mother. Jesus said “I and the father are one. He that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.” Horus is the father seen in the son. Jesus claims to be the son in whom the father is revealed. Horus was the light of the world. The light that is represented by the symbolic eye. The son of salvation. Yashua is called the ‘Good Sheperd’ with the lamb or kid on his shoulder. Horus was the good shepherd who carries the crook upon his shoulder. Jesus is called the Lamb of God, the bread of life, the truth and the light. Horus is called the Lamb of God, the bread of life, the truth and the light. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Horus is was baptized by Anupp the Baptizer. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the ‘House of Bread.’ Horus was born in Annu, the ‘Place of Bread.’ Jesus the Christ. Horus the Krist. The star in the east that indicated the birthplace of Jesus. The star, as announcer of the child Horus.
The blind man given sight by Jesus. The blind mummy made to see by Horus. Jesus walking on water. Horus walking on water .

In fact the entire christian trinity and their story comes from the Kemetic trinity of Ausar Auset and Heru, and their story.

PEACE

>By Ausarian i mean Ausarian, or
>ASRian. according to my understanding
>Osiris=ASR (or Ausar), Isis=AST(or Auset)
>and Horus=HRU(or Heru). This
>is, according to my understanding,
>The First Trinity, Father Mother
>Son. Auset is the
>Black Madonna worshipped in several
>places b4 she was ousted
>in favor of the "Holy
>Spirit." There are similarities
>between her story and that
>of the Virgin Mary.
>There is a myth that
>Heru avenged the death of
>his father Ausar by his
>uncle Set. It is
>said that Set representing disorder
>and chaos is where the
>words Satan/Shaitan come from.

Yes this is true, however the words Satan and Shaitan have deeper meanings and origins than that. Their origins are big secrets and I cannot get into that however, research the Nuwuabians teachings reagarding them, to find out more information. Besides the Obvious, Set also represents ones lower self, the Kemites believed that each person had set within them, and that our duty was to master and defeat set within ourselves, and live rightously. This is why your high priests(remember this thos of you who study the story of Hiram Abif) would pray at noon, because during that time of day, man casts his smallest shadow, and ones shadow is symbolic to set. However without darkness there can be no light. Rembmer this duality.

PEACE

Peace

Yes Isis, Horus and Osiris are all the names the greeks gave the Kemetic Neteru. Their real names are Auset, Heru, and Ausar. Did you say you wanted the Ausarian myth in Mdw Ntr? Is that what you were asking for? If so I can do that, but really, what would be the point. Confirm thats what you want and ill write it in Mdw Ntr, but you should just get get a copy of the Book of Comming forth by day from night Papyrus of Ani(Egyptian book of the dead).

PEACE

Yimhotep

when i say MDW NTR, i mean either the language or the book written by J. Carruthers, generally i'll say by, J.C. so u'll know that's what i mean, when i said Metu Neter i was referring to the book by Ra Un Nefer Amen (i guess i should have said that). so when i said "i like the explanation in Metu Neter" i meant just that, not i _would_ like the explanation in MDW NTR, feel me? what is the meaning of the scattering? was it 14 pieces? what's the significance of 14? Did AST's sister help her? Also are there any translations of the the Book of Coming Forth By Day From Night by African scholars?

I've heard that it is a misconception that Kemites practised incest, that is, they used the owrd "sister" and brother" much the way we do now, how if Uta and YAH were to get married, Uta might say "i married my sister YAH" even tho' they are not sis and bro literally. this was just an e.g. folks, i'm pretty sure YAH's married already and the likelihood of this happening even if she weren't is slim to none. that's another question i hope we can answer.


Shemhotep


>Peace
>
>Yes Isis, Horus and Osiris are
>all the names the greeks
>gave the Kemetic Neteru.
>Their real names are Auset,
>Heru, and Ausar. Did you
>say you wanted the Ausarian
>myth in Mdw Ntr? Is
>that what you were asking
>for? If so I can
>do that, but really, what
>would be the point. Confirm
>thats what you want and
>ill write it in Mdw
>Ntr, but you should just
>get get a copy of
>the Book of Comming forth
>by day from night Papyrus
>of Ani(Egyptian book of the
>dead).
>
>PEACE


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Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

Kemetian
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www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

PEACE

Auset(Isis) was the wife of Ausar(Osiris)and mother of Heru(Horus). Whe Ausar was killed and his body parts scattered aross the four corners of the globe she gathered them up, except for his phallus and resurrected him. She was the original virgin who gave birth, and was the mold which every other culture coppied. She is viewed as the great mother, who gaves birth to all things. She is the model for the black maddona, and she is viewed very highly by your secret societies and mystery systems.

PEACE

Knowledge is Infinite;Seek and You Shall Find
Every Sage Was Once A Wide Eyed Student

I'm down

My question is similar to Uta's. What is the defenition of KMT. If it does mean Land of the Blacks, then what is the difference between that and 'The Black Land' (the so called after life). I have some other questions I just can't formulate them at this time.

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PEACE

> What is the defenition
>of KMT.

Kmt or Kemet does translate roughly to "land of the blacks".


>If it
>does mean Land of the
>Blacks, then what is the
>difference between that and 'The
>Black Land' (the so called
>after life).

The term Kemet when translated to "land of the blacks" refers to the physical properties of the people of that land, hence the name. Although I have never heard of the afterlife refered to as "the black land" it undoubtably is a spiritual afterlife, one not dealing with a physical appearance. The Kemetic civilization was one heavily intertwined with nature. An example of this is that all temples were built on the eastern banks of the nile, while all tombs were built on the western shores. This is because the sun (which has many symbolic meanings both on a spiritual and mystery system level), rises in the east, and it sets in the west. The sun was the life giver, as well as the light bringer, light is symbolic to life and knowledge, as well as other things. The sun when put into a human perspective was born in the east each day, and died in the west each day, only to be resurrected, much like the resurrection of Osiris, the next day in the east again. Hence why temples where intiates where taught, gods were worshipped, and people lived, were on the eastern banks of the nile, while the tombs of the dead were on the west , in the "dark land" per-se. This is just a small fraction of the meaning, and philosophy, I would have to get heavily into the mystery system, more heavily than most here would want to bring more clarity. However if you wish, I will, but thats an entirely different topic as well.

Peace and Blessings

Knowledge is Infinite;Seek and You Shall Find
Every Sage Was Once a Wide Eyed Student

Yimhotep
>, I would have to get heavily into the mystery system, more >heavily than most here would want to bring more clarity. >However if you wish, I will, but thats an entirely different >topic as well.

r u allowed to do that as an initiate? i mean doesn't that spoil the whole idea of "Mystery"?

Shemhotep

************
Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

The duty of those who know is to teach. Its as simple as that. Email me and we will talk.

PEACE

i'm in...

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
ain't no blood in my body,:
it's liquid soul in my veins :

i have tons of questions of/about ancient egypt/KMT..the first being, like uta and peace mentioned, how did the name kemet originate, and how do we know that?..

many more questions will follow..but im definitely down..
peace
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I'm definitely in... One.

Peace, Hotep, Raahuabaat

Im definitely down to contribute to this. Just to let everyone know a little about myself and my knowledge in regards to this topic, im currently in my 12th year of research regarding Kemet as well as other topics and civilizations. I began studying egyptology at age 8 under Dr. Jacob Caruthers at the Kemetic Institute in Chicago. Im now 20 and have continued those studies throughout my life. I read, speak and write Mdw Ntr, and am an initiate of the mystery system as well as other orders and nations. I offer myself, my resources, and what I know to any who are scencerely interested in seeking the truth.

Peace and Blessings to All

Shemhotep
Wadu

i'm trying to invite some of the faculty from Brown University to participaet as well as some brothers from Morehouse, and a teacher from Morris Brown.
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i'm in...studying it here at pc, i'll offer all the knowledge i have

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peace, inf....can u hit me up w/some info about the institute? i helped my girl last week with a paper about ancient egypt and i'm really fascinated. so count me in y'all.


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The Kemetic Institute is chartered through Northeastern Illinois University, and is located in their Center for Inner City Studies on 700 E. Oakwood Blvd. Chicago,Illinois 60653. Dr. Caruthers no longer actively teaches classes, he retired from teaching this year. However classes are still taught by those who studied under him, and he still teaches a class here and there. He remains on staff, concentrating on his research, lecturing and his writings.

did you study the procedure of how the hieroglyphs were deciphered in the first place, or did you just learn them...i tried the second way, but something kept bothering me. now it's on to breaking down the processes used in going from the rosetta stone and slowly walking up till the present...

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If it works do it, if it doesn't, DO BETTER!

(((((PEACE)))))

Peace

I learnd first how they were deciphered, then i learned how to read and write them. Then I learned how to speak the language.

Power Equality

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If it works do it, if it doesn't, DO BETTER!

(((((PEACE)))))

that's how you were blowin cats outta the water on that other post

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Yeah, if thats what you wanna call it. I wasnt trying to, I was just sharing some information because people seemed like they wanted to know. Kemet is just one subject of many that I am well versed in.

PEACE

I was just being silly.

but I am glad you could shed some light on the situation

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Yimhotep
I'm so jealous. i had the wonderful opportunity of meeting "Jake from Chicago" during an ASCAC conference 2 summers ago, unfortunately i haven't made it to the Kemetic Institute, but work w/ some of his colleagues at my institution who are ASCAC members. Could you send us some of the information by Sis. RKHTY AMEN? would be greatly appreciated.

I'm in of course.
Shemhotep
>Peace, Hotep, Raahuabaat
>
>Im definitely down to contribute to
>this. Just to let everyone
>know a little about myself
>and my knowledge in regards
>to this topic, im currently
>in my 12th year of
>research regarding Kemet as well
>as other topics and civilizations.
> I began studying egyptology
>at age 8 under Dr.
>Jacob Caruthers at the Kemetic
>Institute in Chicago. Im
>now 20 and have continued
>those studies throughout my life.
> I read, speak and
>write Mdw Ntr, and am
>an initiate of the mystery
>system as well as other
>orders and nations. I
>offer myself, my resources, and
>what I know to any
>who are scencerely interested in
>seeking the truth.
>
>Peace and Blessings to All
>
>Shemhotep
>Wadu


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Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

Kemetian
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check it out:
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m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

Interests (super-broad):

relationship between KMT and Kush/Nubia

changing status of whites in KMT throughout its history

relationship between KMT/Kush and Sub-Saharan Africa

pre-dynastic KMT (when agriculture first popped up)

And many many more

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more New Yorker...than these past
days." Suheir Hammad

Galaxy raaaaaays...
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I'm definitely interested. I have been studying the Metu Neter for a while and other sources as well. Any knowledge or insight I have I will readily contribute. I'm also interested in gaining from all the Okayminds.

Peace

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"Everyone seems to have a clear idea of how other people should lead their lives, but none about his or her own"
--Paulo Coelho, "The Alchemist"

"Know thyself"

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you". So we may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
-- Hebrews 13:5,6

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix" (and a Buddhist philosophy)

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

Peace
whassup okayplayers.. I'm kinda new around here... I used to check ya'll out a while back then I ended up taking a break from the internet.. Anyway... I like the idea of doing something interesting like research & would be glad to help... My main interest is Egyptian art...
Another interest would be hieroglyphs... (the way I look at it is that hieroglyphs are a form of art...) Utamaroho or anyone else you can email me at blackfists@aol.com or just inbox me....

Peace & Blessings
B.

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"Everyone seems to have a clear idea of how other people should lead their lives, but none about his or her own"
--Paulo Coelho, "The Alchemist"

"Know thyself"

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you". So we may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
-- Hebrews 13:5,6

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix" (and a Buddhist philosophy)

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

I'm down.

Books:

anything by Cheikh Anta Diop, Charles Finch, Asa Hilliard,
John Henrik Clarke, etc


Questions:

1) Ancient KMT had a system similar to feng-shui called ka-lei. Where can I find more information about it?

2) Did KMT have any fighting/self-defense systems? If so, what are they?

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One Hundred.

since these seem to be the only threads that i can't pass up.

interests?

* pre-dynastic (Ta-Seti) times and nubian civilization. what was able to be found out prior to the flooding caused by the Aswan dam? are there any aquatic archeologists currently excavating the sites?

* info on the so-called mystery schools, including practical and esoteric knowledge, and how both can be applied to modern times.

* compilation of a list of "trusted"/"verifiable" sources on kemetology. i think its important to delineate what is known and provable vs. supposition. it kinda hurts the cause when cats bandwagon with a lot of wild speculation, a la, they could levitate buildings by singing in harmony. i'm open minded, but that type of statement is much different than saying we know for certain that they had a complex grasp of mathematics and taught them, as evidenced by problems found on the rhind(?) papyrus. nahmean?

* can anyone find the actual presentation that Dr's Obenga and Diop did at UNESCO in '74? i wonder if there was video or audio tape?

* discuss practical applications (i'm repeating myself, i know, but this is important). how can we build on that knowledge and apply it in day to day. for instance, in any article that i write i make it plain that there's no such thing as a pythagorean theorem, and that hippocrates plagiarized the writings and scholarship of imhotep who predated him by centuries.

that's enough. good idea, U.

peace & blessings,

x.


January is Kool Keith quote month, for lack of anything else:

"I never hearda you stupid, what's your name man??"

"Rappers don't know, I'm out the hospital/
cold buggin' and illin' like Dr. Doolittle"

"I'll chew your ass like monkeys on Wild Kingdom"

"you call yourself GOD, can you make it rain?/
can you tell me now what I'm thinkin' in my brain?"

"under your arms, you're kickin power and musty"

"word to mom, I'm in my own world.../
galaxy raaaaaays... powerful"

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

damn yo! you took alot of the words right outta my brain...

especially the pics thing...i was gonna get a scanner by monday and link to the glyphs that make up what i'm interested in.

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If it works do it, if it doesn't, DO BETTER!

(((((PEACE)))))

HTP

What you have down there is of utmost importance to me: Application. It won't be good enough for me to just be able to look @ all the info we've compiled and say "gee, we sure were/are smart!" and then move on. Definitely it's about Sankofa 4 me, what lessons are we going to take from the past to get us out of our present predicament. My professor suggests that then (and we talked about this X (xenophilia)) we did not know the nature of the european, i believe now we have sufficent experience in dealings with white consciousess not to make the same mistakes our ancestors did. At the same time, i think we have to look at what we were doing right, and go back to that. I personally am looking for a "Weheme Mesu": a renaissance, a reclaiming of Our Way.

so for me i done know seh the egyptians were Black, Diop did melanin dosage tests, we have eyewitness a/cs so i'm not really looking to prove this anymore b/c u won't be able to convince ppl who r not open to it.

I'm really looking for how our ppl did everyday things too, not everyone was a Sage, there were regular ppl w/ marital probs and raising children etc., i mean some things are timeless, i'd like for us to reject western ways of dealing w/ these everyday things b/c they don't work for us (and prolly don't work for them either). i want us to remember that we did things from a different place (Maat, not capitalism) and that place works better for us.

So when i ask "do u think courtship and marriage is a viable alternative for us?" what i should really ask is how we as ppl living in a western society can adapt our ways of old to our current situation. So if we had family taking care of things before and now we have situations where some of us don't have family, what do we do? So if we could integrate these kinds of questions, questions of application to the here and now, that would be good.

Enough of me.

BTW: X i read one of your articles quite good!

>* info on the so-called mystery
>schools, including practical and esoteric
>knowledge, and how both can
>be applied to modern times.
>* discuss practical applications (i'm repeating
>myself, i know, but this
>is important). how can we
>build on that knowledge and
>apply it in day to
>day. for instance, in any
>article that i write i
>make it plain that there's
>no such thing as a
>pythagorean theorem, and that hippocrates
>plagiarized the writings and scholarship
>of imhotep who predated him
>by centuries.
>
>that's enough. good idea, U.
>
>peace & blessings,
>
>x.

Shemhotep
************
Our limitations are a temporary point
in our growth, as opposed to a finite
and essential quality of our spirit.
-Ra Un Nefer Amen (paraphrased)

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

peace & blessings,

x.

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

>* can anyone find the actual
>presentation that Dr's Obenga and
>Diop did at UNESCO in
>'74? i wonder if there
>was video or audio tape?

I just recently discovered Diop. So far I've read his "Origins of Matriarchy and Patriarchy" (I'm paraphrasing...i forget the exact title) & I think his works are an excellent source of information.

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*moment of silence for all those lost & those yet to be found*

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http://omidele.blogspot.com/
http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/

studying the NTR, and art, etc., will require some pics. i think it would be too much to ask of OKP, so we could probably get a free site and link to it from our discussions, and use it also to archive information and provide a standing collection of resources (be they books, sites, whatever).

peace & blessings,

x.


January is Kool Keith quote month, for lack of anything else:

"I never hearda you stupid, what's your name man??"

"Rappers don't know, I'm out the hospital/
cold buggin' and illin' like Dr. Doolittle"

"I'll chew your ass like monkeys on Wild Kingdom"

"you call yourself GOD, can you make it rain?/
can you tell me now what I'm thinkin' in my brain?"

"under your arms, you're kickin power and musty"

"word to mom, I'm in my own world.../
galaxy raaaaaays... powerful"

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

Perhaps some of us could donate Web page/Web space to put up some images for a period of time. It would help the discussion. I have some Web space I am not using and I have lots of ancient Egytptian graphical references.

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"Everyone seems to have a clear idea of how other people should lead their lives, but none about his or her own"
--Paulo Coelho, "The Alchemist"

"Know thyself"

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you". So we may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
-- Hebrews 13:5,6

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix" (and a Buddhist philosophy)

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

http://users.ntr.net/~selliott/

until then, i'll donate this space...time to redesign. ( i'm gonna miss you little buddy )

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If it works do it, if it doesn't, DO BETTER!

(((((PEACE)))))

I can easily create 30mb accounts (one should be enough in the beginning) at a free norwegian webhost. No ad banners or attempts to stop linking to images, like tripod does. And you get FTP and a pop3 email account..

http://home.no.net/kmt (the "kmt" username is available)

The account is active within an hour or less, and no email is required to sign up

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http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/

"We are what we behold and we behold what we are"

of the mountains of the moon, where god hapi dwells"

from the papyrus of Hunefer {1}, {2}

the egyptians consistently traced their origins to the south towards the twin sources of the nile (NTR Hapi), in central east africa (Uganda and Kenya, where the mountains of the moon are located). the egyptians were very clear in where they came from. AHA/menes/narmer unified the 'upper' and 'lower' egypt's two kingdoms, giving rise to the dynastic era btw 3,500 - 3,150bce, depending on the timeline used, but at the time they clearly had attained a high degree of civilization. artifacts relating to the ta-seti culture that both preceded egyptian culture and flourished beside it were being uncovered up until president Nasser of Egypt had the Aswan dam created (it provided power for the modernization of present day egypt, but flooded the ancestral homelands and archeological sites of the nubian people).
{1}, {3}


in ancient times, though the egyptians/kemetans migrated northward from nubia, they maintained cultural affinities with their neighbor and kin to the south (despite the fact that they went to war on occassion, with each other). in several instances, conquest (or re-conquest) of kmt from the south led to a rennaissance of egyptian high culture.



i'm not with my books, so the above is paraphrased, however, you can find the info easily from these sources (which in turn, list the primary sources)...


1. "From Abu Simbel to Giza" Dr. Yosef Ben-Jocannon
2. "Nile Valley Contributions...." Anthony Browder
3. "African Origins of Civilization: Myth or Reality" Dr. Cheikh Ante Diop


furthermore, Diop (having been a consummate linguist) provides compelling evidence for the linguistic relationship between the language of KMT and those of several contemporary eastern and western african tongues, including his native Wolof.

why is all of this important to know? because, at the height of european colonialism and slavery, european "scholars" systematically attempted to obliterate the historical record of egypt as an african civilization, using all manner of absurd contrivances like "hamitics", "brown caucasians", "red caucasians", etc., to mask the truth. this was necessary because

a. their inhuman treatment of africans could not coexist with their professed religion unless africans were considered sub-human, pagan, barbarian

b. while they claimed as the basis of their entire civilization the greco-roman classical era, the greeks readily admitted their cultural debt to the egyptians in the areas of civilization for which they were most renowned (math, science, medicine, philosophy, not to mention other influences in art).

c. previous european scholars, prior to identifying egypt as an african civilization (or sometimes in spite of) correctly pointed out the links

d. if africans, at one point (we'll forget european denial of the great west african empires) represented the pinnacle of human civilization, they must have been human, and their mistreatment would have been a sin in the eyes of their god



peace & blessings,

x.

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

just one question, in regards to the timeline...was it between 3500 bc and 3150 bc, or more precisely 3100bc and 2700 bc...

"We are what we behold and we behold what we are"

While western man believes that he got his culture from rome and greece, greek philosphers themselves have written repeatedly that they had drawn on earlier sources...

In 1799 Napolean arrived in egypt to study and explain teh pyramids...after his officers went trifling around egypt they found a rosetta slab which had on it carved a proclamtion in heiro's from 196bc as well as in two other scripts...(this also shows that egypt was a trading place of sorts a busy city, so busy with the influx of foreigners their slabs were also writtenin diffrent scripts)

this dating of this slab, proved to napoleanand the world at teh time that Egyot existed way before teh advent of teh greek civilization...

Egyptian records speak of dynasties that began circa 3100BC, two full millenia before the beginning of teh hellenic civilization...

It would seem to others that our civilization began in egypt...however going back to greek scholars and philosophers, while they describe visist to egypt...they however speak of another place where they got theuir ancient knowledge from...

The pre-hellenic cultures of teh aegean sea...the minoan on teh island of crete and Mycenaean on the greek mainland...reveal evidence that the near eastern, not the egyptians, culture had been adopted....Syria and Anatolia, not egypt werethe avenues through which and earlier civilization became available to the greeks...

There are numerous similarities that stand as proof of this...for example the alphabet of the greeks vs. the hebrew aleph bait...

greek hebrew
alpha aleph
beta bait
gamma gimmel
delta dalet
e(psilon) he
vau vau-waw
zeta zayin
(H)eta Heth
theta teth
iota yode- (these two are what scholars would claim to be comparable to the english i or y, but note are consonants not vowels so therefore are often mistranslated)

kappa khaph
lambda lamed
mu mem
nu nun
samekh xi
o(nicron) ayion
Pi pe
san sade
koppa koph
rho resh
sigma shin
tau tav-taw....

based on these similarities, scholars date semitic culture to before egyptian culture....not only does it put semetic language before egyptian culture, but it shows that the greeks also adopted their culture from a semetic pre-deccesor

but they are the names of the different letters and their greek similar beside them...

As well, how their names aren't the only thing taht is similar it is the writing as well...

Which if put side by side...it would be hard to tel any differences...

can we go back to answering specifically questions #102 or #106 please?


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A Mythical Two-Headed Crocodile Sharing a Common Stomach. A symbol of UNITY IN DIVERSITY & WARNING AGAINST INTERNAL SQUABBLES WHERE THERE IS A COMMON DESTINY. Here's a pic: http://www.library.cornell.edu/africana/Writing_Systems/Funtummireku.html

If it works do it, if it doesn't, DO BETTER!

(((((PEACE)))))

Be sure that you slow down and read and understand what it is atht I have written, because when I start tying it al together, I don't want you to get lost...

"We are what we behold and we behold what we are"

I notice you mentioning it later in this post...

as far as I've seen, no one is claiming that Egypt/Kemet was the "first" civilization...it's study is important because of its centrality in the development of African and early world civilization.

i made this post some time ago...maybe the responses would be helpful:

http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2237&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes

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http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/

I never said anyone made that comment on the message board, teh comment has been made before and is held by many... who don't even have the internet, so I want to know, if that belief is held, then what proof is there..?

Akwaaba

And there is proof that it wasn't.

moving on...

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.


PEace
solarICE

Still representin' the RED, BLACK & GREEN since 1978!
EFF RED, WHITE, & BLUE*!

Ain't a damn thing changed...

*That includes the Panamanian "dummy government setup by you know who" flag.


***Something to think about***

"if the god of these religions (judaism/christianity/islam) is not above using terrorist tactics to make people believe in Him (and what's the big deal if people do Not believe in Him? God is a egomaniac) then why wouldnt the hardcore followers of these faiths have a tendency to terrorism as well?"- yuckwheat

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks