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We agree on something ha. I think he absolutely belongs. I know bunch of writers want Steve Tasker in the HOF and if he is even being considered then the GOAT KR/PR should be in with ease.

He's a game changer and opposing teams plan around him. Gotta be one of the most feared players out right now and has kept it up for more than a few years so I don't see why he wouldn't get strong consideration for the HOF.

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so my answer is yes. this nigga could finish his career with 25+ td returns

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If he becomes a VERY good receiver, then he has a good chance. Not HOF good but maybe a couple Pro Bowls good. Couple that with his accomplishments as a returner and he is in.

To my knowledge, there is but ONE specialist in the Hall of Fame and that is Jan Stenerud. Blanda and Groza are in but not exclusively for their place kicking. There are NO punters in the Hall of Fame. Never has a return specialist been inducted for his efforts on special teams, there have only been receivers, running backs and defensive backs who earned their place at those positions and were also dangerous return men.

Hester is excellent, maybe even the best ever but is he SO much better than every other player to ever do it that they make such an exception? I am skeptical.

It will be extremely important for his case how the voters consider Brian Mitchell. If Mitchell is not the best return man ever, he certainly had the best career of any return man ever. If Hester continues pulling runback duty at a real high level over the same period of time, I think he is in regardless of what happens with Mitchell. If he only hangs on a little while longer, he'll only have a shot if Mitchell is already in Canton.

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>If he becomes a VERY good receiver, then he has a good
>chance. Not HOF good but maybe a couple Pro Bowls good.
>Couple that with his accomplishments as a returner and he is
>in.

Yep. He's gotta build some decent stats at WR.


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I think his skill set is gonna lead to innovations in the game, kinda like Shannon Sharpe changed the role of Tight Ends, and how Athletic QB's are all the rage nowadays.


So I *wanna* say he'll get in just based on what he's done, but unless the game changes to where Return Men are a bigger factor across the league, I'm not sure. It's kinda like a Punter getting in. Sure there are legendary punters...but they don't get in before LB's, RB's and QB's.


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Vinatieri will probably get in b/c he hit clutch kicks in the postseason including 3 super bowl game winners that weren't chip shots.

>I think his skill set is gonna lead to innovations in the
>game, kinda like Shannon Sharpe changed the role of Tight
>Ends, and how Athletic QB's are all the rage nowadays.

i think winslow was more the forerunner there, i mean sharpe had peers like eric green, keith jackson and ben coates that were all pretty similar in style. anyway, moving on from my nitpicking ...

>So I *wanna* say he'll get in just based on what he's done,
>but unless the game changes to where Return Men are a bigger
>factor across the league, I'm not sure. It's kinda like a
>Punter getting in. Sure there are legendary punters...but they
>don't get in before LB's, RB's and QB's.

right i mean ray guy is not in, he had a booming leg, never let a snap over his head and was a tremendous athlete at the position. lechler is the modern day punter par excellence, he ain't gettin' in either IMO.

that said, mitchell has a shot among return men and there are some kickers that are going to get long looks, such as morten and gary anderson and maybe vinatieri down the line. the place kicker's role has changed, they are true specialists now and the voting will adapt to that soon (it's already begun to with stenerud). the return man is going that way as fewer and fewer regular players are put in the role once they establish themselves are position-player stars.

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>Sidepost: Whatever became of cats like Vai Sikahema, Eric
>Metcalf, and Dante Hall? They just kinda disappeared....

Hall was super exciting! Metcalf had a long career, funky little scatback that wasn't quite as specialized as say Mel Gray in Houston or Sikahema, who now does some national radio and local TV in Philly.

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You mean like how Kelln Winslow and Doug Crosbie changed the Tight End position

specialists voted into the HOF. both are already the best players ever at their position.

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but what makes him better than say, Ray Guy for example, who's on the 75th Anniversary team & was considered the best punter for the past 30 years or so prior while still not being in?

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he's the all-time career leader in average punt yardage (47.3) and I'm pretty sure is top five in career net average (38.7). he averaged 51.1 yards one season, second all-time. he also had the highest net punting average (43.8), in a single season, in NFL history.

Ray Guy isn't even in the top 50 when it comes to career average punt yardage (42.4). his career net average is also uninspiring (33.3).

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are most of the punters currently with higher averages guys that played later?

How do Guy's numbers stack up against people that played during the same time?

I'd imagine conditions for punting (more domes, technological advances in stuff as small as football manufacturers, dramatically improved strength/condition programs, etc) have improved since the early 70s so I'm not sure if just better numbers are going to be enough to get a guy in the Hall when the dude considered the best for about 40 years hasn't ever gotten a call.

I know they've both been All-Pro the same amount of times.

Does it matter to voters that one did it while punting for an elite team he helped win three titles while another has done it on the worst team of the decade he's been in (and presumably got a lot more practice with a lot less pressure)?

I'm just asking questions, I don't really purport to know or have a strong opinion on punters except when they're shitty & play for my team.

But I would think if they're ever gonna put a punter in there, he's going to have to be markedly better in every category than any guy who ever played before him.

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>But I would think if they're ever gonna put a punter in there,
>he's going to have to be markedly better in every category
>than any guy who ever played before him.

it's funny because he was in the same draft as seabass and has been clearly more valuable.

i still blame hip-hop.

talking to people who saw him a lot a big thing was his surehandedness and vertical ability, never let a punt get fucked up by a bad snap or other error. he could also really boom the ball high from what i've seen.

lechler is the best i've ever seen personally, i don't take issue with calling him better but it's moot because i doubt either guy makes it. no love for brother reggie roby either!!!

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According to some old school sportswriter, Guy got all the love and accolades since his leg was so strong, but was a touchback king and not as good at hitting the corner like this one dude, hence Guy's low net average.

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He cleary changes the games... he has won Chicago games out of opponent's fear of him...

Took the opening kr to the house in the super bowl when indy knew that was the only way they could lose to Gross-Man!

The guy is amazing but he needs to do more... to get in as a return specialist you have to be head and shoulders the best ever... so a few more GREAT years then I would hope he gets in... doing it on a huge stage this weekend would help big time too

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one. are his accomplishments worthy enough to be placed in the hall of fame? Yes. He's arguably the best return man in the history of the NFL.

two. given the current rate that players are voted in, and the structure of the voting process, will he get in? I think that's probably going to be no.

It helps he's from a major TV market, but it seems unless you're a quarterback, a WR, or a LB with a gaudy sack total you don't get in nowadays. Couple in the bias that the voters have towards not voting in special team specialists and it's a wrap for his chances.

i know we really feel proud about having a collection of athletes, coaches, and contributors that is elitist, but I'd rather have a wider swatch of the history actually contained in the hall of fame.

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ain't nobody ever been like him, last night sealed that deal, it was like a WWF moment he looked into the camera and then said this turkey bout to kick off to me and like the road runner he was like Beep,Beep I'm gone.

he is year in and year out the most important Player on that Bears team and he has been doing this for years.

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He definitely should be...but that pretty much means nothing.

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My question is, who is saying no?

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>My question is, who is saying no?

Hester is undoubtedly the GOAT at kick returns. You might have thought he was a one year wonder like Dante Hall (remember him?) but that dude is one of the only reasons the Bears stay in the game the way that team is "built".

my favorite Hester return of ALL time was the "BALLIN" return. That was the GOAT... #2 is the Dan Hibiki super taunt in the game this season where the refs jobbed the Bears (Hester did the Blanka Ball roll in the endzone)

I think he's a decent receiver. Not a guy who lights it up, but like Josh Cribbs I think he is getting better at the position.

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Kick returners seem to have a short shelf life and fall off fast. That's why I give props to Brian Mitchell (besides playing QB in that one Monday night game) for being old as fuck and still returning kicks. It's kind of like the Terrell Davis argument. He was the shit, but for too short a period of time.

If Hester is still a lethal return man at year 10+ in the league, and is universally seen as the best return man over his entire career, then I'll change my mind.

And this assumes Tasker gets in.

Hester has done more in five years than Brian Mitchell did in 15. longevity isn't necessary when you already own the *ALL-TIME CAREER* record for return touchdowns. the fact Hester did it at a faster pace than anybody else cements him as the best.

and the Terrell Davis comparison is faulty. does Davis have more career touchdowns than Emmitt Smith?

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Lot of return guys have been lethal while young. If he can keep it at this level for another 4-5 years, then he's on some otherworldly shit and deserves his shot.

>Hester has done more in five years than Brian Mitchell did in
>15. longevity isn't necessary when you already own the
>*ALL-TIME CAREER* record for return touchdowns. the fact
>Hester did it at a faster pace than anybody else cements him
>as the best.

Sure, but that won't be enough to get him in. Has to be the best for a longer period of time.

>and the Terrell Davis comparison is faulty. does Davis have
>more career touchdowns than Emmitt Smith?

Nope, but he's still a better back.

name another return man with more touchdowns than Devin Hester. he is *already* on some otherworldly shit -- he doesn't need to "be the best" for five more years, because he's "been the best" in the history of the NFL.

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his numbers aren't so overwhelming there.

name a guy who had that kind of longevity? how about brian mitchell and mel gray? and it's not as if someone like deion couldn't have kept going if he weren't such a key position player.

hester is the best punt return man ever but i don't see we'll see anyone make the hall of fame off their punt return ability. so far, it's held true.

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the fact Hester has done it this quick is nothing but a positive. if a rookie QB threw 500 touchdowns in his first six seasons, he'd be considered one of the best ever too.

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Read post #41....

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>>and the Terrell Davis comparison is faulty. does Davis have
>>more career touchdowns than Emmitt Smith?
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>Nope, but he's still a better back.

Terrell Davis is/was better than Emmitt Smith?

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>>>and the Terrell Davis comparison is faulty. does Davis
>have
>>>more career touchdowns than Emmitt Smith?
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>>Nope, but he's still a better back.
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>Terrell Davis is/was better than Emmitt Smith?

But as a preference, I liked Davis' style better.

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>Kick returners seem to have a short shelf life and fall off
>fast. That's why I give props to Brian Mitchell (besides
>playing QB in that one Monday night game) for being old as
>fuck and still returning kicks. It's kind of like the Terrell
>Davis argument. He was the shit, but for too short a period of
>time.
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>If Hester is still a lethal return man at year 10+ in the
>league, and is universally seen as the best return man over
>his entire career, then I'll change my mind.
>
>And this assumes Tasker gets in.


The problem with your assessment is simple...Hester is already breaking records that have taken guys to achieve most of their careers...Hester is doing it in five seasons....

He is already seen as the greatest return man of all time....And more importantly, he's doing it at a high level as both a punt returner and a kick off man, something his past greats have not achieved....And Hester is one of the main reasons the Bears have a chance to win any given game....

The only thing to really discuss is whether Hester will be first ballot or second ballot...

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If he was averaging 15+ on punt returns and 30+, alright that may be a bit high, 27+ on kick returns for his career, that would be some alien shit to me. TDs are just sorta devalued to me right now. Justin Miller has 5 for his career and I don't think he's working. I mean Jacoby Ford has 4 over 1.25 seasons and I never hear his name on a national level. And I totally forgot about Joshua Cribbs who has 8 on kicks.

He's great and gets props for doing both returns and all, but he just needs to do it longer to have a shot at being the first one in the Hall.

if Rex Grossman was not putrid Hester's kick return td to open that game would be even more amazing... I think he will get at least a few more in his career... I think he deserves a spot for being the best ever by a lot at such an important position


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that's obliterating 2nd best

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but yawl niggas aint thinkin about what it really takes to get in the hall of fame.
you cant reward a nigga off purely scoring
even if he's doing it in a diffcult/epic way
what if a linebacker returned a fumble for a td in 16 straight games?
never been done before. league record. never will be done again
are they hall of fame worthy now?
see the kick/punt return td record is cool but its not major
which is why theres no precedent to puttin returners in the hall
and right today, people are sayin hester is a lock. comedy.
hester has 19tds.
19 homie.
what nigga goes to the hall of fame for scoring 19tds?
randy moss had that in a season and folks still say hes borderline.
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He is the most important player on the Bears offense IMO, and has been since he got there...not to mention like Will said, he already holds all the return records in a third of the time it took to set those records.

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>He is the most important player on the Bears offense IMO, and
>has been since he got there...not to mention like Will said,
>he already holds all the return records in a third of the time
>it took to set those records.

If he was averaging some obscene numbers on all of his returns, then that would strengthen his case.