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bshelly

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bottom 5 though? yeah. ouch.

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or would that much win in one location destroy the universe as we know it?

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is hilarious.

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This guy gets oodles of hate every week, and every week people say, "This is where the boat will sink," and he finds ways every week to keep it afloat.

If he finds a way to beat the Bears or Pats, best believe I'm going apeshit.

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>This guy gets oodles of hate every week, and every week
>people say, "This is where the boat will sink," and he finds
>ways every week to keep it afloat.
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>If he finds a way to beat the Bears or Pats, best believe I'm
>going apeshit.

You can't lose. You (all Tebow disciples) are playing with house money here. Beating the Jets is monumental but losing to the Lions is inconsequential.

An amoebic set of non-goals guarantees 0 accountability, measure of success or even the possibility of failure.

Oh shit Tebow's just like Occupy Wall Street!

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bshelly

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and I don't really care to get into a drag-out argument with whether he's better than guys like Cassell or Hasselbeck, especially when we all know this is a diversion for that Tebow post you made getting upped anyway.

only people who believe in batting average think Tebow won that game last night.

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His defense matched that and held the Jets to 1 TD.

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tebow plays terrible but the broncos win, which means i get to keep talking about tebow. this is great.

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bshelly

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check downs, out of sync, a passing game that doesn't look more than 10 yards downfield unless it's a chuck to his 6'5" security blanket.

Is there a QB doing less with more WR talent than Sanchez?

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i remember being hype when the jets drafted him, but this year he has really shown he's a lower level starter in the nfl. there is way too much talent on this team for him to be playing as bad as he is.

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the back to back draft class that consisted of: Matty Ice, Waka Flacco, Stafford, and Freeman

Sanchez is getting crucified in NYC worse then Isaiah Thomas was... and this isn't an excuse... but Matty Ice and Flacco have looked terrible at times this year... Freeman has at least "regressed" as much and all that Stafford has shown is he's good enough to throw jump balls to Calvin Johnson... year 3... I'm not giving up hope on Sanchez at all yet...

>Sanchez is getting crucified in NYC worse then Isaiah Thomas
>was... and this isn't an excuse... but Matty Ice and Flacco
>have looked terrible at times this year... Freeman has at
>least "regressed" as much and all that Stafford has shown is
>he's good enough to throw jump balls to Calvin Johnson... year
>3... I'm not giving up hope on Sanchez at all yet...

I think many "good" QBs have looked like crap this year, because there wasn't a proper offseason.

It also doesn't hurt that Sanchez is tied to one of the wackest offensive coordinators in the NFL. I think even if he had Mike Martz or someone he wouldn't be Kolbing out over there

but if I was drafting today I'd sure as shit take Matty, Stafford or Freeman before Sanchez.

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my point is basically, all of them need work, without question, and Sanchez (I believe, too lazy too look and not sure about Freeman) is younger then all of them...

all 5 teams are in a tough position... a young qb who has shown he's capable of being the man at times, but has also shown they may NEVER get over the hump... Im as pessimistic a Jets fan there is but I still think Sanchez can be the guy, he's shown me he can in enough games where I believe the talent is there, it's either gonna click in the next 12 months or it never will... He gets the rest of this season and the first 8 games of next season from me... What will make that tough though, is they will definitely have a new offensive coordinator this year, I assume plax and ldt will be gone, theres gonna be a lot of turnover

I think Sanchez is about on the same level as Flacco. I'd place Matty Ice slightly higher, though none of these three guys are elite.

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Cuz hes not.

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While playoff wins are important in establishing a QB's worth, Stafford's rate of growth, even with slip-ups like the Bears game, is more impressive to me than Sanchez's. Especially considering Stafford basically didn't play at all last year.

Even if you don't buy overall growth, Stafford is having a much better year this year than Sanchez. Considering Sanchez has played close to double the amount of games that Stafford has, I would hope he'd be showing more consistency.

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Stafford is also a pussy... he needs a few big wins the rest of this regular season to be put in a class clearly ahead of sanchez

Stafford went 26-of-29 for 300 yards with five touchdowns and no picks. He threw those 5 TDs to 5 different receivers (none of whom were Megatron, by the way).

I have two points.

1) Sanchez has never, ever gone off like that.

and

2) Stafford did this with a fractured index finger on his throwing hand.

So YOUR two points that 1) Sanchez has big games too, and 2) Stafford is a pussy, were both completely shitted upon within about 45 minutes.

so i reverse jinxed him for you, you're welcome

He threw 5 TD's his rookie year, the last one being a game winner the play after he injured his shoulder.

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he can be put in a class ahead of Sanchez... my point is... it still NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST... I stand by that... he had one of them yesterday... let's see how the rest of the season plays out...

>he can be put in a class ahead of Sanchez... my point is...
>it still NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST... I stand by that... he had
>one of them yesterday... let's see how the rest of the season
>plays out...

It's already happened. See my post below--Staford's ALREADY had more big games in his career than Sanchez. Sanchez's best career game wouldn't be in Stafford's top 3.

win a big game... go beat GB on Thursday, what happened vs Atlanta and San Fran in huge games earlier or a chance to take control of playoffs in Chicago this year? He was 15-32 vs Atlanta, sf two ints, not tds, bears 4 int's, and the defense bailed him out vs Dallas

im tryin to throw your dumb ass a bone by saying it is a statement that can turn out to be true but you are too dumb and blinded by an average lions team to take it, instead you have already crowned him king

You said Stafford isn't on Sanchez's level. I agree. He's above it. Stafford's performance--in 23 games--has eclipsed Sanchez's fairly easily. Peace.

or just win a big game this year...

>or just win a big game this year...

>>or just win a big game this year...
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This dude made some atrocious throws on national tv in a home game he had to at least get competitive. I'm not even surprised at all though *shrugs*.

Stafford went 75-117 for 991 yards, 9 touchdowns, and zero picks.

This three game stretch, in addition to propelling his team to the playoffs three years removed from an 0-16 season, also represents a sustained level of play higher than anything Mark Sanchez has ever shown in the NFL.

Discuss.

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>so i reverse jinxed him for you, you're welcome

Stafford has thrown 4 or 5 touchdown passes in a game as often as Sanchez has thrown 3.

Fact.

Sanchez has thrown 3 TDs four times in 40 regular season games.

Stafford has thrown 4 or 5 TDs four times in 23 regular season games (4TDs twice, 5 TDs twice).

Son, Stafford has 44 career touchdown passes to Sanchez's 43, and Sanchez has played in SEVENTEEN MORE GAMES than Stafford.

So yeah, this actually is not the first time Stafford has done this. At all. However, the next time Sanchez does it WILL be the first time.

As for toughness? Yeah, peep the Browns game in 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugA8G4rv_8g

He was bobbing and weaving past trainers to get back on the field with a separated shoulder, then threw the game winning pass one-armed as time expired.

Stafford >>>>>>>>> Sanchez.

Where Sanchez's get dissected to the nth degree. Its pretty dumb.

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His first pick yesterday was bad. He just didn't see the LB. But the second one? I can live with that pick. He tried to thread the needle to the best WR in football in the end zone. If the ball was 8 inches higher, it's a touchdown for Calvin.

He's one of like 2 QBs in the league who would even think of TRYING that pass. I love that about him.

He's never been one to throw the backbreaking 4th quarter pick. He just doesn't do it. Sanchez definitely does. Also, media market.

>He's one of like 2 QBs in the league who would even think of
>TRYING that pass. I love that about him.
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Any QB in the league would try that pass if Megatron was on the other end of it.

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The end of the San Fran game comes to mind where he had 2 different oppotunities to do something and he did NOTHING with NO sense of urgency whatsoever in a game they coulda won. If Sanchez did that we'd still be hearing about it. Stafford justs gumps his way to the next week where he played like do do again.

Then comes the Bears game where he was terrible....ah well the weather or some shit. Then he plays terrible to start the Panthers game, should never have been down like that to that team but he comes back and all is forgiven. So if winning is all that matters why does Sanchez get shit?? He'll end his career with more playoff wins than Stafford if he retired today. Its ridiculous the double standard, and yes the media market is probably 150% to do with it.

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>The end of the San Fran game comes to mind where he had 2
>different oppotunities to do something and he did NOTHING with
>NO sense of urgency whatsoever in a game they coulda won. If
>Sanchez did that we'd still be hearing about it. Stafford
>justs gumps his way to the next week where he played like do
>do again.

I read/post at a few Lions message boards, and Stafford got absolutely MURDERED for the end of that SF game. People posting real reckless like

"He needs to lay off the donuts"

"He was OBVIOUSLY hungover, you could see it on his face"

"He looked so lethargic--is it possible he's addicted to the painkillers he took for his shoulder? I'm just saying."

Just outlandish shit. But if you're only talking about national media, then yeah, it's a New York vs Detroit thing. (Even then, John Lynch straight up said yesterday that the Lions should consider benching him for Shaun Hill.)


>Then comes the Bears game where he was terrible....ah well the
>weather or some shit. Then he plays terrible to start the
>Panthers game, should never have been down like that to that
>team but he comes back and all is forgiven. So if winning is
>all that matters why does Sanchez get shit?? He'll end his
>career with more playoff wins than Stafford if he retired
>today. Its ridiculous the double standard, and yes the media
>market is probably 150% to do with it.

He had a really rough patch there, yeah. Looks like he shook it off nicely. You can't compare wins with these 2 QBs though. Stafford took over The Worst Team in NFL History. Oh-and-sixteen. The Lions defense in 2007-2009 was the worst in NFL history by almost any statistical measure. His offensive line was and still is shit.

Sanchez took over a team with one of the best running games in football, a fucking star-studded offensive line, and a downright beastly defense.

Obviously Sanchez gets more criticism, and it's for two reasons. He plays in New York, and gets all the media attention that comes with it, but he's also been gifted with as good a situation as a young QB could possibly ask for and failed to win a title.

That last part, fair or not, is why people shit on him. PERSONALLY, I think he's done very well. Two AFC title games is absolutely nothing to sneeze at. It would be hard to do much better than that without, you know, winning a Super Bowl. But I still think Stafford is a much better quarterback, and I expect the next 10 years to show that definitively.

All that stuff I just read I like to see cuz its warranted....to a degree. The Shaun Hill stuff Ive said in jest i wouldnt go that far but that SF ending was deplorable.

Sanchez wins playoff road games, I dont care how good his D is thats pretty fuckin impressive and the media should suck a dick.

I want the Lions to do great and I want Stafford to succeed mainly cuz of that pricetag, but he needs to be held accountable now. U wanna be considered the best now, u gotta win u can do that Chicago game ever again.

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>All that stuff I just read I like to see cuz its
>warranted....to a degree. The Shaun Hill stuff Ive said in
>jest i wouldnt go that far but that SF ending was deplorable.
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>Sanchez wins playoff road games, I dont care how good his D
>is thats pretty fuckin impressive and the media should suck a
>dick.

Totally agreed. I think Stafford is better, but I don't agree with the original premise of this post at all (Sanchez = bottom 10 QB)


>I want the Lions to do great and I want Stafford to succeed
>mainly cuz of that pricetag, but he needs to be held
>accountable now. U wanna be considered the best now, u gotta
>win u can do that Chicago game ever again.

Agreed 100%. He's still SO young though (2 years younger than Sanchez), and due to the horrible mess of the franchise that drafted him and the time missed due to injuries, I feel like we're only just now seeing the very early beginnings of "Matthew Stafford, NFL Quarterback." I honestly believe he can be one of the great ones.

> I honestly believe he can
>be one of the great ones.

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It's gonna be fun roasting all the Stafford doubters in this thread...

I mean I like Stafford but I've been telling people to hold off on the elite QB talk. He's a terrific young prospect who is on the right path but when you got Megatron, Burleson, Young, Scheffler, Pettigrew you should be able to get somethings done.

I think Stafford has a legit shot to go to the next level but he needs a playoff run or two like Sanchez. Otherwise, it's just a lot of hollow numbers & we all KNOW what that looks like:


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>I mean I like Stafford but I've been telling people to hold
>off on the elite QB talk. He's a terrific young prospect who
>is on the right path but when you got Megatron, Burleson,
>Young, Scheffler, Pettigrew you should be able to get
>somethings done.

Yeah, but he also has Jeff Backus, Stephen Peterman, Dominic Raiola, Maurice Morris, Keiland Williams...

>I think Stafford has a legit shot to go to the next level but
>he needs a playoff run or two like Sanchez. Otherwise, it's
>just a lot of hollow numbers & we all KNOW what that looks
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I'm just really surprised that there are Lions fans who AREN'T as optimistic about Stafford as I am. He played what, 12 games his first two seasons? And most of those were with the same core roster that went 0-16.

What we're seeing now is his first "real" season as far as I'm concerned, and he's lighting it up. He absolutely laid an egg against Chicago, sure, and played poorly against SF for the most part, but he's also led some crazy second half comebacks, made some throws most NFL QBs couldn't even dream of, and shown more command of the offense than any Lions QB I've ever seen. He's done all this with virtually zero running game, too--how many NFL offenses have success after losing their top 2 RBs for the season?

Look, I've been a Lions fan since I was like 6 years old, so I understand pessimism. I made CASH in 2008, because around late October I bet anyone who'd take the action that they were going 0-16. But the fact is, we haven't seen QB play at this level in my lifetime. And unless you watched Bobby Layne, neither have you. So this right here? This shit is the fun part. Have a little Kool-Aid.

to be the next Brady, Brees, Peyton or Rodgers.. It's waaaayyyyyy to early for that. Stafford hasn't even started 2 seasons worth of games yet.. Let him go on a deep run in the playoff first.

But if you want to crown his ass..... lol

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Stafford has thrown four or more touchdowns in 17% of his starts.

Sanchez has thrown four or more touchdowns in 0% of his starts.

Hmmmmmmm.



To use a standard of excellence that Sanchez has actually achieved in his career:

Stafford has thrown 3 or more touchdowns in 26% of his starts.

Sanchez has thrown 3 or more touchdowns in 10% of his starts.

One out of four, or one out of ten? Which would you rather have?

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but don't they(Sanchez and the jets) do this every year though?

He'll look like shit. Jets lose, but, somehow, at the end of the year
they are in the afc title game?

Ya know, the defense that just lost to TeBow.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

A defense that averages 17 points allowed would be 3rd in the NFL.

Jets offense should be ashamed.

but they did get dominated the last 4 minutes of the game while their team was in the lead. its debatable.

they played etra DBs vs. Tebow for 11 of the last 12 plays.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT EVER?

anytime tebow sets to throw = W for the defense. even in a hurry up end of game scenario. he's awful.

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I'll take the 24-year-old who stays upright & has a chance to improve at 1/4 the price tag.

but ... eh? only if the Eagles get someone not named Andy in that coach's chair. no new QBs until the Eagles get a new coach to go with it. because that story is going to end up the same way.

>but ... eh? only if the Eagles get someone not named Andy in
>that coach's chair. no new QBs until the Eagles get a new
>coach to go with it. because that story is going to end up the
>same way.
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You know this kid is decent in his best games right? lol

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hell, other than the pick I thought he had a solid game.

24/40 for 250 isn't bad at all. If he doesn't throw that pick this post isn't even made.

>If he doesn't throw that pick >this post isn't even made.

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he aint THAT type of qb

they simply cant run it

then he only had a mediocre game!

>If he doesn't throw that pick this post isn't even made.

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his defense let Tim Tebow drive 95 yards for the game winning TD.

It was a 7 point giveaway in a game where his offense only put 13 on the board.

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you would think Rex Ryan and his vaunted Jets defense with players like Bart Scott and Revis would have been capable of not giving up a 95 yard scoring drive to a Tim Tebow offense.

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without the pick 6 jets probably win the game so.....

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which is fine if you're up big, not when the score is close because your offense has almost been as lousy as denver's.

the jets D played great virtually all night, only thing is tebow's defense actually scored for him, and he needed that badly cause he couldn't get anything going despite starting several drives in jet territory. dont be ignorant, in a game this close, the pick-six was pretty much the difference in the game, it prevented new york from having a chance to go up two scores which would then force multiple late drives by tebow to win the game, not just one.

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