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"NFL Draft 2011"


          

Musings, half-informed observations, and armchair analysis to follow.

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LSU vs. UNC
Sep 07th 2010
1
the announcers were talking about unc's TE like he was something
Sep 07th 2010
5
      yeah those were drops but Pianalto's still nice tho.
Sep 07th 2010
6
Virginia Tech vs. Boise State
Sep 07th 2010
2
when i saw Pettis i thought Hank Baskett, lol. Any thoughts on Friday
Sep 07th 2010
3
typical Hokie tweener
Sep 07th 2010
4
Guess you don't like
Sep 13th 2010
22
      I think Young is a better athlete
Sep 13th 2010
24
Mississippi State vs. Auburn
Sep 10th 2010
7
Ohio State vs. Miami-FL
Sep 12th 2010
8
RE: Ohio State vs. Miami-FL
Sep 13th 2010
23
Someone explain Jake Locker love to me
Sep 12th 2010
9
I watched most of the BYU loss; he was up and down
Sep 12th 2010
12
IT IS RETARDED.
Sep 12th 2010
20
Good size, strong arm, atheletic....not as accurate as I'd like tho.
Sep 18th 2010
32
Alabama vs. Penn State
Sep 12th 2010
10
Ingram, Jones, Dareus, Hightower, and Barron are all 1st rounders
Sep 12th 2010
15
      I dunno about Hightower after last night.
Sep 12th 2010
16
           RE: I dunno about Hightower after last night.
Sep 12th 2010
18
USC vs. Virginia
Sep 12th 2010
11
i know Barkley's a year or 2 out, but whats your read on him?
Sep 12th 2010
13
      Could've been more accurate.
Sep 12th 2010
14
      top 3 pick barring horrid Jr. year & injury.
Sep 12th 2010
17
UCLA vs. Stanford
Sep 12th 2010
19
I'm less impressed the more I watch Moore
Sep 13th 2010
25
      Pac-10 fans :: Locker / SEC fans :: JaMarcus
Sep 13th 2010
26
           Pretty good read there
Sep 13th 2010
28
Oklahoma vs. Florida State
Sep 12th 2010
21
Ponder probably will be a first round pick, no worse than 3rd.
Sep 13th 2010
27
NC State vs. Cincinnati
Sep 18th 2010
29
Southern Miss vs. Kansas
Sep 18th 2010
30
Anybody catch Cal v. Nevada last night?
Sep 18th 2010
31
only if they think he's white...
Sep 18th 2010
33
      ^powerful posting.
Sep 18th 2010
34
Georgia vs. Arkansas
Sep 19th 2010
35
Kansas State vs. Iowa State
Sep 19th 2010
36
Washington vs. Nebraska
Sep 19th 2010
37
It was a blown assignment
Sep 20th 2010
39
This game may have singlehandedly played Locker into a position change
Sep 20th 2010
40
      if tebow doesn't have to change
Sep 20th 2010
42
Michigan State vs. Notre Dame
Sep 19th 2010
38
Arizona vs. Iowa
Sep 20th 2010
41
Auburn vs. Clemson
Sep 21st 2010
43
Have you had a chance to see Ryan Kerrigan this year yet
Sep 23rd 2010
44
any team that moves David Molk from C would be making a mistake
Sep 23rd 2010
45
I meant to watch him during the Notre Dame game
Sep 23rd 2010
46
Pittsburgh vs. Miami-FL
Sep 25th 2010
47
Arkansas vs. Alabama
Sep 26th 2010
48
Oklahoma State vs. Texas A&M
Oct 03rd 2010
49
Alabama vs. Florida
Oct 03rd 2010
50
Michigan State vs. Wisconsin
Oct 04th 2010
51
This alone makes you better than McShay
Oct 05th 2010
53
Have you watched Kendricks more?
Nov 15th 2010
110
      kinda
Nov 15th 2010
111
USC vs. Washington
Oct 05th 2010
52
Oregon vs. Stanford
Oct 05th 2010
54
good stuff
Oct 11th 2010
59
Kansas State vs. Nebraska
Oct 11th 2010
55
Thoughts on Taylor Martinez?
Oct 11th 2010
60
      I usually skip over ineligible players
Oct 11th 2010
61
      Martinez is a RS Frosh
Oct 18th 2010
68
           good catch. obv. he'd be eligible as a RS-soph.
Oct 18th 2010
69
      Vontaze Burfict is a Centennial grad too as well right?
Oct 18th 2010
67
Florida vs. LSU
Oct 11th 2010
56
Alshon Jeffery looked like F'n Andre Johnson Saturday
Oct 11th 2010
57
he's good; you have to wait until 2012 though.
Oct 11th 2010
58
Wisconsin vs. Ohio State
Oct 18th 2010
62
dude might be starting to cost himself money
Oct 18th 2010
63
      I thought he played well against Miami
Oct 18th 2010
65
           yeah he was always rumored to be a 3 and out guy...just like ray small
Oct 18th 2010
66
                Also, I cannot WAIT until Chimdi Chekwa leaves....
Oct 19th 2010
70
Nebraska vs. Texas
Oct 18th 2010
64
Oregon vs. UCLA
Oct 24th 2010
71
for the record...
Oct 25th 2010
74
      sorry, I'm racist.
Oct 25th 2010
75
           lol
Oct 25th 2010
76
Miami-FL vs. UNC
Oct 24th 2010
72
Missouri vs. Oklahoma
Oct 25th 2010
73
Oklahoma State vs. Nebraska
Oct 26th 2010
77
Iowa vs. Wisconsin
Oct 26th 2010
78
NC State vs. Florida State
Oct 31st 2010
79
how did Russell Wilson look?
Oct 31st 2010
87
      I like him...but
Oct 31st 2010
88
Connecticut vs. West Virginia
Oct 31st 2010
80
RE: Connecticut vs. West Virginia
Oct 31st 2010
85
      acceleration vs. long speed.
Oct 31st 2010
86
Boston College vs. Clemson
Oct 31st 2010
81
CHRIS HAIRSTON! CARVER HIGH SCHOOL!
Nov 07th 2010
98
Oklahoma vs. Colorado
Oct 31st 2010
82
Nebraska vs. Missouri
Oct 31st 2010
83
Mizzou's offensive play calling in general pissed me off in that game...
Oct 31st 2010
89
Georgia vs. Florida
Oct 31st 2010
84
We said the same thing about Jamaal Charles
Oct 31st 2010
90
      I was wrong about Charles
Oct 31st 2010
91
           Just saying. I use the 'Ahman Green' rule when it comes to RBs
Oct 31st 2010
92
Illinois vs. Purdue
Nov 05th 2010
93
how much higher can he move up?
Nov 05th 2010
94
I've seen him mocked from first to second (round).
Nov 06th 2010
96
yeah, Martez played DE in high school, originally he was at OLB...
Nov 05th 2010
95
Virginia Tech vs. Georgia Tech
Nov 06th 2010
97
Utah vs. TCU
Nov 07th 2010
99
LSU vs. Alabama
Nov 07th 2010
100
agree on barron. really disappointed in him
Nov 08th 2010
102
Stanford vs. Arizona
Nov 08th 2010
101
Love Luck too, but college QBs are your weak spot
Nov 08th 2010
103
      yeah, a lot of misses.
Nov 08th 2010
104
Wisconsin vs. Indiana
Nov 14th 2010
105
TCU vs. San Diego State
Nov 14th 2010
106
i'd be kinda surprised if he times *really* fast
Nov 15th 2010
116
      they are fairly similar.
Nov 17th 2010
117
New Mexico State vs. Louisiana Tech
Nov 14th 2010
107
Florida vs. South Carolina
Nov 15th 2010
108
Maryland vs. Virginia
Nov 15th 2010
109
Have you had a chance to watch Cal at all?
Nov 15th 2010
112
got them penciled in for The Big Game on Versus this weekend.
Nov 15th 2010
113
      Yeah Vereen and Jordan are our biggest prospects
Nov 15th 2010
114
Texas vs. Oklahoma State
Nov 15th 2010
115
Fresno State vs. Nevada
Nov 17th 2010
118
Temple vs. Ohio
Nov 18th 2010
119
i tailgated wit his family last year. cool people. u think he'll get dra...
Jan 02nd 2011
169
      yep. second or third round.
Jan 02nd 2011
170
Iowa vs. Ohio State
Nov 22nd 2010
120
sanzanbacher>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hartline
Nov 27th 2010
128
Cal vs. Stanford
Nov 22nd 2010
121
Baylor vs. Oklahoma
Nov 27th 2010
122
Texas vs. Texas A&M
Nov 27th 2010
123
Pittsburgh vs. West Virginia
Nov 27th 2010
124
Alabama vs. Auburn
Nov 27th 2010
125
Fairley seems a tad too finesse to me. I smell bust.
Nov 27th 2010
127
      well, I *did* upgrade Newton above back-up status.
Nov 27th 2010
129
      Newton seems to be a better athlete than Ben
Nov 27th 2010
130
           i dunno, ben did a lot with his mobility/athleticism at miami
Nov 27th 2010
131
           no doubt, but it was still a lot less than Newton
Nov 27th 2010
132
           wtf?
Nov 27th 2010
134
                did i stutter? ben's arm was insane in college
Nov 27th 2010
136
                     Newton's arm is very, very, strong.
Nov 27th 2010
138
                          so we don't disagree? cool.
Nov 27th 2010
139
Nebraska vs. Colorado
Nov 27th 2010
126
Denarious Moore from Tennessee has made himself a lot of money
Nov 27th 2010
133
I still found that hard to believe during the broadcast.
Nov 27th 2010
135
      RE: I still found that hard to believe during the broadcast.
Nov 27th 2010
137
Nevada vs. Boise State
Nov 30th 2010
140
New Mexico State vs. Hawaii
Nov 30th 2010
141
Arkansas vs. LSU
Nov 30th 2010
142
Georgia vs. Georgia Tech
Nov 30th 2010
143
what kind of a read do you get on A. Allen?
Dec 07th 2010
148
      it's above...Virginia Tech game
Dec 07th 2010
149
Ole Miss vs. Mississippi State
Nov 30th 2010
144
Arizona vs. Arizona State
Dec 05th 2010
145
Oregon State vs. Oregon
Dec 05th 2010
146
UCLA vs. USC
Dec 05th 2010
147
Big XII Championship: Nebraska vs. Oklahoma
Dec 08th 2010
150
Eastern Washington vs. Villanova
Dec 18th 2010
151
Delaware vs. Georgia Southern
Dec 19th 2010
152
New Mexico Bowl: UTEP vs. BYU
Dec 19th 2010
153
New Orleans Bowl: Troy vs. Ohio
Dec 19th 2010
154
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl: Louisville vs. Southern Miss
Dec 26th 2010
155
Las Vegas Bowl: Boise State vs. Utah
Dec 26th 2010
156
Hawaii Bowl: Hawaii vs. Tulsa
Dec 26th 2010
157
Champ Sports Bowl: NC State vs. West Virginia
Dec 31st 2010
158
i live in shame
Jan 02nd 2011
172
Insight Bowl: Missouri vs. Iowa
Dec 31st 2010
159
Military Bowl: Maryland vs. ECU
Dec 31st 2010
160
Texas Bowl: Baylor vs. Illinois
Dec 31st 2010
161
Alamo Bowl: Oklahoma State vs. Arizona
Dec 31st 2010
162
Blackmon seems like a likely Jaguars first round pick.
Jan 02nd 2011
171
Armed Forces Bowl: SMU vs. Army
Dec 31st 2010
163
Music City Bowl: Tennessee vs. UNC
Dec 31st 2010
164
Chick-fil-A Bowl: South Carolina vs. Florida State
Jan 02nd 2011
165
Sun Bowl: Miami-FL vs. Notre Dame
Jan 02nd 2011
166
Meineke Car Care Bowl: Clemson vs. USF
Jan 02nd 2011
167
Capital One Bowl: Michigan State vs. Alabama
Jan 02nd 2011
168
Will is a one man army, Ason
Jan 03rd 2011
173
it's been interesting to track guys all season
Jan 04th 2011
174
Outback Bowl: Penn State vs. Florida
Jan 04th 2011
175
Gator Bowl: Michigan vs. Mississippi State
Jan 04th 2011
176
Rose Bowl: TCU vs. Wisconsin
Jan 04th 2011
177
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Connecticut
Jan 04th 2011
178
RE: Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Connecticut
Jan 19th 2011
187
Orange Bowl: Stanford vs. Virginia Tech
Jan 04th 2011
179
Sugar Bowl: Ohio State vs. Arkansas
Jan 11th 2011
180
What's your take on Mike Brewster?
Jan 11th 2011
183
      I watched him for a quarter
Jan 11th 2011
184
Cotton Bowl: Texas A&M vs. LSU
Jan 11th 2011
181
BBVA Compass Bowl: Kentucky vs. Pittsburgh
Jan 11th 2011
182
Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl: Boston College vs. Nevada
Jan 19th 2011
185
BCS Championship: Auburn vs. Oregon
Jan 19th 2011
186

will_5198
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1. "LSU vs. UNC"
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CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (6'1, 222) -- Has the body and skills to be a number one cornerback, but can seem very raw at times (although Carolina did not throw his way often). Drifts too much in both man and zone, thanks to his tremendous recovery speed. Loves to press and gets out of his backpedal very quickly. Impressive wrap-up tackler for his position. Showed elite return ability on both punts and kick-offs.

OLB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU (6'3, 240) -- Excellent in traffic and challenged offensive linemen. Was very hesitant in pass coverage; takes a lot of false steps and is easily sucked in on play-action. Yates stared down receivers over the middle and Sheppard couldn't read his eyes or the receiver pattern. Missed several tackles.

ILB Quan Sturdivant, UNC (6'2, 230) -- Forceful tackler who looks for contact. Got to the ball quickly on run plays and in a straight line, but didn't seem very athletic when left in space.

OLB Bruce Carter, UNC (6'3, 235) -- Invisible for most of the game. Was exploited badly for a long pass play to the tight end when he bit on a run fake. Plays smaller than his listed size.

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5. "the announcers were talking about unc's TE like he was something"
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but he kind of blew that out of the water at the end

  

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6. "yeah those were drops but Pianalto's still nice tho."
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reminds me of Cooley

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2. "Virginia Tech vs. Boise State"
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OT Nate Potter, Boise State (6'6, 296) -- Plays left tackle for the Broncos; should be a guard at the next level. Powerful run blocker who gets inside defenders' pads and drives them back. Terribly outmatched by speedy ends and after a few plays he started just lunging to his left at the snap (which of course will get him spun around like a top in the NFL).

WR Austin Pettis, Boise State (6'3, 201) -- Solid collegian but I don't see anything special about him. May have maxed out his potential. Wiry build and not a deep threat. Seems to read zones well but most of his catches were against broken coverages. Special teams value (holder, punt block) will help him.

DE Ryan Winterswyk, Boise State (6'4, 263) -- I've seen some give him a mid-round grade...I was less than impressed. Takes a long time for him to get moving and he changes direction about as well as a German tank. Was easily redirected on speed rushes and his only secondary move was the bull rush.

RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech (5'10, 202) -- He wasn't given much to work with against Boise. Nice vision; he finds cutback lanes quickly and can make his own yardage if cornered. Lacks strength in his lower body (skinny legs) and could end up going down on first contact against better defenders.

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3. "when i saw Pettis i thought Hank Baskett, lol. Any thoughts on Friday"
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4. "typical Hokie tweener"
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got some good pressure, but not special enough to be a full-time end. Probably a late rounder.

I wasn't that impressed by anybody on Virginia Tech's defense. Watched Rashad Carmichael for a half but he looked like an undersized zone corner who won't be able to run with NFL receivers. Got too low in his backpedal too. Although I liked his effort on run plays.

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22. "Guess you don't like"
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Titus Young either.

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24. "I think Young is a better athlete"
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but 5'11 (probably 5'10) and 170? that automatically puts him in fifth wideout territory.

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7. "Mississippi State vs. Auburn"
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OT Lee Ziemba, Auburn (6'8, 310) -- Too much of a lumbering giant to play on an island in the NFL. Struggled to lock on to defenders on the second level. Got blown up by McPhee on a short-yardage play early in the game.

DT Nick Fairley, Auburn (6'5, 298) -- Inconsistent results; sometimes he'd dominate double teams, other times he'd be pushed back five yards by one blocker. Seemed to get that extra burst when he was near a ball-carrier, so it might be a stamina/effort issue. Oddly, he held the point of attack better against doubles than when single blocked. Not a big pass rusher -- he plays like a nose, but doesn't stuff the run as well as you'd like.

QB Cameron Newton, Auburn (6'6, 250) -- Physical tools are incredible; he runs like someone 40 pounds lighter. Passing-wise, he's unrefined. On the interception, I'm pretty sure Mississippi State was in cover three but he stared down the receiver too long, then took too long to throw the ball. His second touchdown pass was a nice ball against cover two zone, but more a result of bad defense than anything (linebacker opened up a passing lane when Newton glanced at the running back in the flat -- it was third and goal from the 12).

Often drifts backwards a little when throwing and his accuracy was spotty. I'm not sure there's a back-up quarterback here (and he won't be able to play running back, either) but he's talented enough to keep an eye on.

DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State (6'4, 285) -- Quite athletic for his size: Mississippi State used him as an inside linebacker at one point (smooth drop into coverage too)! Moved well laterally, showing great speed when he made Newton pitch the ball on an option and still chased down the running back for a two-yard gain. Relied a bit too much on rip moves inside, a tendency Auburn exploited by running into his vacated gap.

OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State (6'6, 305) -- Looks the part of an anchoring tackle but didn't play like one. Long wingspan lets him wall off speed rushers and he slides his feet decently. Shows terrible power in the run game. Linebackers put him on his butt a few times and he whiffed on several blocks (once, on a freaking double-team).

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8. "Ohio State vs. Miami-FL"
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DL Cameron Heyward, Ohio State (6'5, 288) -- Played a lot of snaps, inside and on the edge, and was mostly double-teamed by the Hurricanes. Hard to move in the run game and an able pass-rusher at a tackle; on the edge he's less explosive. The smoothness he displayed on the interception -- dropping into coverage, reading Harris and breaking on the ball with ease -- was an eye-raiser.

WR DeVier Posey, Ohio State (6'2, 213) -- Made some nice catches, but also let the ball get into his body too much. Casual blocker; he should have dominated Miami's small corners but didn't care to.

LT Mike Adams, Ohio State (6'8, 300) -- Imposing frame and he moves well. Impressive in all facets and a real anchor for the Buckeyes' offense. Did get too top heavy on a few occasions, and had his size leveraged against him.

QB Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State (6'6, 233) -- A lot, a lot of work to do. Locked onto a target based on the pre-snap read and rarely went through his progressions. Stared down receivers and compounded the problem with late throws. Had nice touch on the deep pass to Posey and the wheel route touchdown to Saine, but his overall accuracy is suspect, especially on short to intermediate routes. A few throws were completely unexplainable.

CB Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State (6'0, 188) -- Lacks closing speed and short area burst. Loses the ball in the air when playing man. Repeatedly beat by Hankerson and would've been exploited by NFL quarterbacks. Decent tackler.

DE Allen Bailey, Miami-FL (6'4, 285) -- Short-armed and had trouble disengaging bigger linemen. Held the point well, especially in the run game (he smothered Boren on a few pulls) but seemed to wear down as the game progressed. Very strong when he uses his upper body as a battering ram. Limited pass rush abilities.

CB Brandon Harris, Miami-FL (5'11, 195) -- Really like this kid. Showed mature coverage skills (he had textbook defense on a Sanzenbacher crossing route, a play where most college corners end up trailing and get beat). Good athlete but can lose battles in the air against bigger, stronger receivers. Likes to be around the action during run plays but rarely *makes* the play -- although he did have a nice stop of Pryor.

WR Leonard Hankerson, Miami-FL (6'3, 215) -- Fluid athlete and has decent speed once he gets going. Long-limbed and not a big threat after the catch. Routes could have been crisper. Potential as an end of the rotation receiver, but his lack of return skills might be damning.

QB Jacory Harris, Miami-FL (6'4, 200) -- Ugly game all-around. Two of the interceptions were not his fault, but on the very first pick he never looked off the coverage (a problem throughout the game) and the last was a zone blitz he didn't read either. Velocity remains a big issue, as his deep passes float and give the secondary recovery time. Weight is disturbingly low when considering the size and speed of NFL defenders.

LB Colin McCarthy, Miami-FL (6'3, 242) -- Took some bad routes to the ball-carrier and struggled to scrape off blocks in traffic. Limited athleticism and needs back-up when tackling more gifted players. Not a difference-maker in coverage.

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23. "RE: Ohio State vs. Miami-FL"
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>WR DeVier Posey, Ohio State (6'2, 213) -- Made some nice
>catches, but also let the ball get into his body too much.
>Casual blocker; he should have dominated Miami's small corners
>but didn't care to.

there were several pancake blocks he had on Harris and Armstrong, not sure if ESPN picked them up..dude is a great blocker and his frame isnt completely filled out yet either IMO...deceptive speed too

..you're right about his hands though, he needs to use them more and stop bringing shit into his body..thats how he incurs most of his drops


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>LT Mike Adams, Ohio State (6'8, 300) -- Imposing frame and he
>moves well. Impressive in all facets and a real anchor for the
>Buckeyes' offense. Did get too top heavy on a few occasions,
>and had his size leveraged against him.

he's come a long way since his freshman year (getting busted with weed, arguing with Tressel/Bollman..nearly transferring)...but dude is a behemoth..this was supposed to be his breakout season..hopefully its true


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>QB Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State (6'6, 233) -- A lot, a lot of
>work to do. Locked onto a target based on the pre-snap read
>and rarely went through his progressions. Stared down
>receivers and compounded the problem with late throws. Had
>nice touch on the deep pass to Posey and the wheel route
>touchdown to Saine, but his overall accuracy is suspect,
>especially on short to intermediate routes. A few throws were
>completely unexplainable.

Spot on, and that's why he's returning for his SR year, much to the dismay of other Big 10 teams, and the Hurricanes.

>CB Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State (6'0, 188) -- Lacks closing speed
>and short area burst. Loses the ball in the air when playing
>man. Repeatedly beat by Hankerson and would've been exploited
>by NFL quarterbacks. Decent tackler.

yup, he's a serviceable CB, but he's definitely a notch below the corners we've had the past few years. I hate that he never plays with his face to the ball..there was a pass breakup he had where he could have easily been called for a PI, but the ref didnt call it. Last year Marvin McNutt hoed him repeatedly one on one bc he wouldn't play the ball. Shit is frustrating as hell. He's not physical enough either imo.




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>LB Colin McCarthy, Miami-FL (6'3, 242) -- Took some bad routes
>to the ball-carrier and struggled to scrape off blocks in
>traffic. Limited athleticism and needs back-up when tackling
>more gifted players. Not a difference-maker in coverage.

Loved seeing Boom Herron juke the shit out of him...


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9. "Someone explain Jake Locker love to me"
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I don't see it
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12. "I watched most of the BYU loss; he was up and down"
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can't wait to see him play Nebraska next Saturday. that will tell a lot.

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20. "IT IS RETARDED."
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32. "Good size, strong arm, atheletic....not as accurate as I'd like tho."
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10. "Alabama vs. Penn State"
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WR Julio Jones, Alabama (6'4, 220) -- My main problem with Julio last season was his lack of focus, resulting in drops and disinterested play. He dropped another easy pass against Penn State, a bad habit since he has large hands and catches well otherwise.

Once he has the ball, however, he's a YAC machine and is rarely tackled without falling forward. Makes aggressive, sharp cuts on downfield routes but I wonder about his ability to separate from pro cornerbacks. His release was not consistent (he added this odd short hop when running hitches, and only hitches), which can be a tell. Fierce run blocker and regularly takes on linebackers with ease.

ILB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama (6'4, 260) -- Maybe it's due to the knee surgery, but his lateral movement was real sluggish. He was just trying to survive in pass coverage, and did a lot more jogging than chasing. Might stand to lose another 10 pounds. Still a monstrous hitter and blitzer when moving in a straight line (he did miss some tackles against Penn State, though).

FS Mark Barron, Alabama (6'2, 215) -- Played in the box quite a bit, either against the run or to cover the tight end. Lanky frame. Very solid tackler who doesn't make flashy hits but brings his man down, which is almost a lost art for many safeties. Got an interception (should have had two) and Saban's defensive backs are notoriously well coached on positioning.

OT James Carpenter, Alabama (6'5, 300) -- Alabama ran behind him for most of the night. Dominated Latimore in pass protection and looked pretty solid when run-blocking on the second level. He has a tendency to grab, however, and would probably make a better right tackle.

RB Evan Royster, Penn State (6'1, 209) -- Sheds a tackle here and there, but mostly a guy who gets the yardage the blocking gives him. And not much else. Can't make too many people miss, has no top-end speed, and isn't a big bruiser. Not a huge market for those backs in the NFL.

DE Eric Latimore, Penn State (6'6, 280) -- I do not believe those measurables. He looked downright small compared to Carpenter. Got very little pressure and Alabama decided to run straight at him, at which point we started seeing less and less of him in Penn State's rotation.

DE Jack Crawford, Penn State (6'5, 256) -- High-effort player, and I swear he looks bigger than Latimore. Not explosive, though, and has trouble closing in on the ball.

DT Devon Still, Penn State (6'5, 311) -- Cmon. He got upended, somersault style, by Richardson. On some Madden shit.

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15. "Ingram, Jones, Dareus, Hightower, and Barron are all 1st rounders"
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imo. agree?

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16. "I dunno about Hightower after last night."
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he didn't look great to me. we'll see how he does during the SEC schedule. Barron is a very good player but he doesn't "wow" you a lot.

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18. "RE: I dunno about Hightower after last night."
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>he didn't look great to me. we'll see how he does during the
>SEC schedule. Barron is a very good player but he doesn't
>"wow" you a lot.

i agree that hightower is suffering from the typical
symptoms of coming back from a torn up knee. i'm assuming
if he comes out in the spring that he will be healthier
and will grade better during combines. he could stand
to lose 10-15 lbs too.

as for barron, i've liked the kid since before he stepped
foot on campus. he's still a work in progress but
for all the hype that taylor mays got, i think
barron is infinitely better and has potential
to be a special safety. i think he could quietly sneak
into the first round after a good combine showing similar
to kareem jackson last year.

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11. "USC vs. Virginia"
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WR Ronald Johnson, USC (6'0, 185) -- Kiffin had him all over the place, and I thought he did some of his best work out of the slot. Very smooth in his routes -- read the soft spots in zones and changed direction without losing speed. Gets loose downfield but I don't think he'll be a deep threat in the NFL.

Catches with his hands, but there were four plays where he should've make the tough catch: once up the seam between the linebacker and safety (drop), on a short out where he jumped awkwardly, deep down the middle (bad throw but it hit his hands) and in the end-zone on a slant (defender blocked his vision but again, it hit his hands). A real shame Ras-I Dowling couldn't play.

FB Stanley Havili, USC (6'1, 225) -- He's a liability in the run game. Got very little push against linebackers are ended up clogging the hole on most lead plays. We all know he can catch and runs advanced routes for his position, but I'd rather use a bigger tight end as an h-back then rely on a receiving fullback who can't block.

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13. "i know Barkley's a year or 2 out, but whats your read on him?"
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cause i was amazed at his pocket abilities and ball placement vs UVA. seems like he's got a 6th sense in the pocket. that was the first time i've really watched him w/ a critical eye.

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14. "Could've been more accurate."
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I thought he'd have a bit more zip on his throws and he left yardage on the field with some of those aforementioned plays to Johnson. But yeah, I don't watch sophomores that closely.

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17. "top 3 pick barring horrid Jr. year & injury."
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19. "UCLA vs. Stanford"
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QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (6'4, 235) -- Missed several throws against UCLA and his arm strength is not tremendous. Still, he's extremely accurate on the move and made his best throws on roll-outs. He's an above average runner and smart about when he takes off. Release could be quicker and once or twice his wind-up was too low. Throws an extremely catchable ball.

NT Sione Fua, Stanford (6'2, 306) -- Could not be blocked one-on-one and repeatedly disrupted running plays in the backfield. Forced double and even triple teams by UCLA. Relatively athletic for a two-gap tackle and makes a few plays down the line. Got a sack when Stanford went to four down linemen on pass plays, although he's not a big pass rusher.

OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA (6'4, 254) -- Smooth athlete and gets sideline to sideline with ease. Sheds blocks relatively well when chasing sideways, but he's less effective when the play is coming right to him off the snap. Not overly strong and didn't show tremendous sack potential off the edge.

FS Rahim Moore, UCLA (6'1, 195) -- You really get to see all his limitations in the red-zone. Can't match-up against tight ends in coverage (beaten badly for a touchdown that was negated by illegal formation). Undersized and a non-factor in run support (easily pushed back by Stanford's receivers and opens up running lanes by dancing around blocks). Took a few odd routes to deep throws and was predictably late. He's a corner trying to play safety.

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25. "I'm less impressed the more I watch Moore"
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He generally makes decent reads playing the deep zone, but he doesn't really have the quick twitch to play corner, and he's not a very forceful tackler at all. I didn't watch all of that debacle against Stanford, but he got ran over a few times against K-State. I've seen this player before, his name was Stewart Schweigert, and he didn't last very long in the league.

You pretty much nailed Ayers, though he had a much better day rushing the passer against KState. The tools are there, there just seems to be long stretches of games where he doesn't really impose his will like he should.

I like Luck as an NFL QB much more than Locker. Agile enough, can put some touch, probably needs another year though.

  

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26. "Pac-10 fans :: Locker / SEC fans :: JaMarcus"
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I'm less skeptical but haven't seen a lot of his games here on the east coast. I'm hoping to get the Nebraska game (if they show fucking Duke and Alabama I'll be livid) but might have to resort to ESPN3 for that.

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28. "Pretty good read there"
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I don't know, he just doesn't have anything that stands out to me as an NFL quarterback. He has a strong arm, but it's not a cannon, but good enough to play in the league. But he's not extremely accurate either, more off and on. He can run, but he's not exactly Michael Vick out there, he's not gonna make an NFL living on his legs. Which summed up, pretty much sounds like David Garrard, who's a decent NFL QB but not someone you'd take with a top 10 pick.

Maybe he'll prove me wrong and drop a couple 400 yard passing games here, I've already given up on UCLA's season and would like to see it.

  

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21. "Oklahoma vs. Florida State"
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WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma (5'11, 175) -- Undersized for a number one receiver and won't break any tackles. Nice hands, return skills, his routes are solid, and he gets great separation thanks to his burst. The double move touchdown was gorgeous.

RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma (6'1, 214) -- Profiles as a third down back, thanks to his excellent receiving skills. Catches passes in stride and extended from his body. One cut runner with average vision. Weak lower body and goes down on contact too easily. Long injury history.

LB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (6'2, 232) -- Physical (maybe too much so) and instinctive in pass coverage, and patrols the hashes well. Built like an oversized safety, which can be a bit disadvantageous on run plays, especially if he gets caught sliding around blocks too much.

DE Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma (6'3, 261) -- Didn't stand out. Agile in space and is hard to cut. Wasn't in the backfield much, but I suppose the Oklahoma coaches wanted a more conservative rush because of Ponder's running ability.

FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma (6'1, 195) -- His big problem was not attacking the ball-carrier. He waited to make the tackle instead of crashing down, which lets better players simply outrun him to the corner (Jermaine Thomas had a lengthy run by doing just that). Not powerfully built and I didn't get a great look at his coverage skills.

QB Landry Jones, Oklahoma (6'4, 219) -- Nothing to see here. Great protection, he threw five yard passes against horrible coverage and watched his receivers break tackles.

OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State (6'2, 288) -- This guy is a fucking beast! Manhandled whoever lined up against him and barely moved from the line of scrimmage in pass protection. Did an excellent job of sliding off double team blocks and annihilating some poor linebacker on run plays.

QB Christian Ponder, Florida State (6'2, 219) -- Basically flung shit everywhere. Even when he had a clean pocket, he'd force passes into impossible coverage. His receivers suck (my favorite was when they ran a jailbreak screen and the intended receiver broke into a full sprint downfield) but there was nothing about this performance that suggested a NFL future.

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27. "Ponder probably will be a first round pick, no worse than 3rd."
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Great athlete.

FSU's O-Line is very good, just kinda small in my opinion, but the starters will all see the NFL/CFL.


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29. "NC State vs. Cincinnati"
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QB Russell Wilson, NC State (5'11, 201) -- What I loved most about Wilson was his repeated check-downs to his backs and tight ends. He always hit them in stride, mostly for first downs, and it was just an impressive display of restraint to see from a collegiate player. Of course, he did have *a lot* of time to scan the field against Cincinnati, with a minimum of three seconds post-snap. Sloppy footwork (play-action especially) and can overly "aim" his passes (mostly missing high). Elusive but not a running threat. His biggest problem is his height, which grazes the limits of NFL standards.

WR Armon Binns, Cincinnati (6'3, 204) -- He's tall and decently fast, which translates into production in the Big East. NFL-wise, it's not so impressive. Lanky build and not physical, which shows in his uneven jump-ball skills. Takes awhile for him to get downfield and lacks suddenness in his routes. Run-blocking is clearly not his passion.

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30. "Southern Miss vs. Kansas"
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WR DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss (6'6, 239) -- Moves surprisingly well for a guy that tall, with decent burst and agility. Long-strider, not a burner. Reminds me of Plaxico, albeit less polished (and hopefully not as dumb). Odd usage pattern against Kansas -- he'd be pulled for entire series, and they made him run weird routes like shallow drags and fake screens. Not sure if he was slightly hurt or still being admonished for inconsistent effort. His blocking was hilarious: he'd run up to defenders all intense, but once they were aware of his presence, he'd start ducking punches and find somebody else to "block."

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31. "Anybody catch Cal v. Nevada last night?"
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Not a lot of defense being played but a couple of guys impressed me. Shane Vereen looks like the real deal, maybe it's a case of newer impressions but he looks better to me than Marshawn Lynch and Jahvid Best did. He seems to have good instincts in finding the hole and has the ability to make big plays. He is also a very good route runner and is an asset in the passing game.

I was also impressed by Colin Kaepernick who made a handful of very nice throws. I had always thought of him as gimmick quarterback taking advantage of weak competition but he looked real good last night. With his size and athleticism he could have a future in the pros. I could see using a late round pick on him as a project QB.

  

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33. "only if they think he's white..."
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>I was also impressed by Colin Kaepernick who made a handful of
>very nice throws. I had always thought of him as gimmick
>quarterback taking advantage of weak competition but he looked
>real good last night. With his size and athleticism he could
>have a future in the pros. I could see using a late round
>pick on him as a project QB.

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34. "^powerful posting."
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35. "Georgia vs. Arkansas"
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QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (6'6, 238) -- I like to bash Mallett but he did seem improved. Footwork was better (still not immune to a throw off the back foot and he's awkward on roll-outs) and he was much calmer in the pocket. Undeniable arm strength. He didn't force the ball as much against Georgia and showed some "moxie" by driving them down for the winning score. Still a project, but I'm liking him more.

OT DeMarcus Love, Arkansas (6'5, 315) -- Not athletic enough to stay at left tackle. Had plenty of trouble with smaller speed rushers and struggled to keep his balance on pass drops. Nice punch and drive in the running game, and he did show versatility by playing both tackle spots throughout the game.

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36. "Kansas State vs. Iowa State"
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RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State (6'2, 228) -- Unusual prospect. Has the weight of a bruising back but his height gives him a build more like a wide receiver. Aptly, he runs with a slashing style that relies on quick feet to compensate for a lack of great speed. Ducks a lot of hits but runs very upright and struggled to find creases with a lead blocker. Didn't see his receiving abilities in this game. He might be one of those tweeners who excel in college, but lacks a dominant trait to succeed in the NFL.

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37. "Washington vs. Nebraska"
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QB Jake Locker, Washington (6'3, 226) -- Where to start in this mystifyingly horrific performance? His first interception (and throw of the game) was laughably bad -- a no chance gimmie into bracketed double coverage, after getting three seconds to chill in the pocket and scan the field.

It gets better. Third down and medium, Washington is in the shotgun (offset back, 2x2 set) and Nebraska shows cover zero with seven at the line of scrimmage. They all come and Locker has to throw it away. But let's think: seven possible rushers, six blockers, where is the hot route? I don't know his audible package, but you'd assume a senior quarterback with upperclassmen receivers can read that situation better.

Another favorite: third down and medium (again), and Locker has his best receiver (Kearse) in the slot with a linebacker covering. Nebraska shows two-deep man; it's an easy conversion. Locker is protected, Kearse beats the 'backer on a simple in route right at the sticks...yet Mr. Hero throws a jump ball 20 yards downfield into triple coverage! I’m done.

WR Jermaine Kearse, Washington (6'2, 198) -- He caught half of Locker's production through the air. Unfortunately for evaluating purposes, that was two passes. The one thing I did notice was he had trouble when corners started pushing him around, failing to hold his position and get off holds.

CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska (6'1, 200) -- I'm not sure if the long touchdown to Kearse was his fault or Gomes. It was clearly zone, but it's hard to imagine Gomes (as the safety) would be positioned so shallow in a two deep coverage. Aside from that, he stayed glued to his man (illegally at times) and showed wonderful technique on the one pass he broke up. Eager to see him versus a team that uses the forward pass more effectively.

DT Jared Crick, Nebraska (6'6, 285) -- Clearly misses Suh. No gap discipline, gets too high and loses leverage inside, and was basically targeted by Washington on inside run plays to great effect. Not enough pass rush for a one-gap. Very unimpressed.

DE Pierre Allen, Nebraska (6'4, 265) -- Shows nothing that's amazing, but he's a nice sized prospect who is strong enough against the run and can get around the corner from time to time. Those guys tend to find spots in NFL rotations.

WR Niles Paul, Nebraska (6'1, 220) -- Not needed against Washington. Has a compact build, runs solid routes, muscles up college corners and gets in and out of his breaks well. I see some third receiver possibilities here.

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39. "It was a blown assignment"
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supposedly the safety was supposed to help.....good thing otherwise Locker would have 30 yards, 2 INT's (with one called back) and 0 TD

This shit is going to happen a lot this year with Dennard & Amukamara and company

Gabbert and Jerrod Johnson will get destroyed, and if UT doesn't find a running game....Gilbert's power arm may not save him either.

This pretty much sums it up about the former Heisman contender...

"As complex as the Pelini Brothers’ defense seems, it has a simple idea at its core: Make the quarterback think until he runs out of time. Locker stood…and stood…and stood in the pocket Saturday, grasping for straws that kept falling into the pop bottle, searching for receivers who weren’t open. After Dennard’s Pick Six, Locker was wasted, fried like a State Fair corn fritter, done. He spent the rest of the game jumping as he threw, lofting quails into nowhere."

Oh and Gomes said they knew it was a pass play if the receivers broke off of the line fast, if they were slow and lazy it was a running play...

How elementary does it get not to fix that beforehand?

I agree with your review of Crick, he's been a shell of himself compared to last year, but people got gassed up over 5 sacks against a 3rd string Baylor QB and a once-every-decade player by his side making it possible.

The only thing I see you didn't mention about Niles is he has a bad tendency to lose focus at times. It's maddening to watch because he has the tools. Doesn't go hard on routes, stupid fumbles out of nowhere...

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40. "This game may have singlehandedly played Locker into a position change"
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That was amazingly bad... and for everyone to see.

  

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42. "if tebow doesn't have to change"
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locker shouldn't have to either.

he ain't shit NOW, but he'd be a good backup qb in the nfl in wildcat formations or for short yardage, and could learn to be a good qb eventually.

just because he ain't a "save a franchise" qb doesn't mean that he couldn't learn to be a "that 3rd round pick turned out pretty good" starter down the road. best thing that's gonna happen to him is he sees some nfl speed and learns to cut with the bullshit and play his position.

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38. "Michigan State vs. Notre Dame"
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ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State (6’1, 228) -- '’m afraid his excellence might be limited to college. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with his game, he just seems a step late on a lot of plays that standout NFL prospects make. Undersized for a middle linebacker and doesn't have blazing speed. Covered Rudolph quite a bit in man and zone, not giving up much. Had trouble staying on his feet when guards and tight ends cut him. Would look like a pretty good pass rusher at times (spin move FTW), then get stonewalled by a smallish Armando Allen the next series. Good tackler.

WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame (6'3, 227) -- I'm still waiting for him to put together a completely dominating performance. Takes plays off here and there, and has had at least two soft-contact fumbles this season (just a total lack of concentration). Rounds his routes at times and could get better separation. He remains a fucking animal in jump-ball situations -- dominates corners in the air and has incredibly strong hands (see: his two touchdowns against State). Good release, not a classic deep threat but he can make you pay down the field.

TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (6'6, 265) -- He's probably a shade below the best tight end prospects of recent memory, as he's very good but not as athletically gifted (despite any 90-yard gallops against Michigan). Catches the ball well, away from his body, and finds the holes in coverage. Not explosive in his routes and will have to use his height better against NFL linebackers who can run with him. Decent blocker given the fact he's in the slot so much -- he'll take his lumps against ends but he isn't a matador.

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41. "Arizona vs. Iowa"
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WR Juron Criner, Arizona (6'4, 210) -- Plays like a deep threat. Not sure if he has the talent to transition as one in the NFL. Gliding runner who moves faster than he appears -- on his long reception he easily ran past the corner, despite playing eight yards off. Still, I'd be shocked if he timed any better than 4.5-4.6 and his hands look inconsistent.

DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa (6'3, 285) -- Stunningly ineffective. Arizona chipped him here and there, and yes they played a lot of shotgun, but most of the time Clayborn was singled blocked and completely neutralized. The only time he looked like a first-rounder was when the Wildcats lined up in traditional power formations; those instances he was dominant. He also chases laterally extremely well for someone his size, and his closing speed is scary, but this was a mediocre (at best) performance.

DL Christian Ballard, Iowa (6'5, 297) -- Played end, although I can see him put inside at the next level. Kind of sluggish for a 4-3 alignment, especially against a team like Arizona that spreads defenses out. Had a coverage sack (nice second effort rip move), but spent most of his time getting minimal push and waiting to tip a pass -- which finally worked on the interception. I actually think he was chipped/doubled more than Clayborn, if that says anything.

WR Marvin McNutt, Iowa (6'4, 215) -- He's basically a fade route specialist, as the rest of his game is comparatively weak. Sloppy routes with a ton of wasted motion. Doesn't have an explosive release and his athleticism is average. Indifferent to blocking and subbed out in one-receiver packages despite being the Hawkeyes' biggest receiver. His two highlight catches showed how dangerous he can be when it comes to jump balls in traffic, but that skill won't compensate for the rest of his flaws in the pros.

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43. "Auburn vs. Clemson"
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DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson (6'4, 280) -- Potential monster. Some of the plays he made in the run game were fucking incredible: my favorite was when he ran a stunt on third and two, shadowed the pulling guard coming towards him, and knocked him into the backfield -- at which point he fell backwards into Newton like a domino. Loss of one. Chasing down Dyer in the backfield on a toss play was similarly impressive.

Pass rush was a bit timid against Auburn (I think he could free his hands better), although you don't want to get too upfield against a running quarterback. He did end up with a sack on a power rush. I think at this point a NFL team would be paying more for his upside (dreaded word!) than production, but I was impressed with what I saw.

FS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson (6'0, 212) -- I like this guy. Great instincts for reading the route and quarterback, so when the ball in the air, he doesn’t have to check the receiver in coverage -- he *is* the receiver. He knows where the pass is going, and takes the shortest route to the ball instead of chasing a wideout step for step. Had three pass breakups in the first half alone (to go with the big interception), one of which while he was covering the slot receiver in man.

While he profiles as a centerfield free safety, he actually played a hybrid position against Auburn, coming down to middle linebacker depth on run downs. Decent tackler and fights through traffic well, although he'll concede some yards against stronger backs.

DT Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson (6'4, 305) -- Didn't dominate but he had a positive impact, especially defending the run. Like Bowers, he had a grown-ass-man play where he bulldozed the guard three yards backwards then pulled down Dyer with one arm! Looked a bit goofy on stunts and when he slid over to end; I prefer him as a nosetackle who can eat up blockers and make running backs alter their paths.

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44. "Have you had a chance to see Ryan Kerrigan this year yet"
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Monster. As disappointing as this yrs squad has been so far, he's lived up to all expectations, Boss.

Quite as kept, the #1 DE at Purdue has been about as sure a thing as you'll find in the NFL. The track record starting with Chike Okeafor and Rosy Colvin is impeccable: Akin Adele, Shawn Phillips, Ray Edwards, Rob Ninkovich, Anthony Spencer.

Now its an easy argument that he's been the most dominant. I think he'll beast in the NFL. Interestingly though, only Ray is actually playing DE in a 4-3. The rest I belive are OLBs in a 3-4 offense. RK will be a DE.

Kepier (I know) has him #13 on his big board. Would be shocked if he slips out of the 1st round if he stays healthy, like all th Purdue DEs the combines will help not hurt.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/16516/big-ten-in-kipers-latest-draft-forecast


ESPN NFL draft guru Mel Kiper has updated his latest Big Board, as well as his top-5 positions lists for both seniors and non-seniors.

You need to be an ESPN Insider member to view the complete files, but here's where Big Ten players stack up:

Kiper's Big Board

* Iowa DE Adrian Clayborn, the first Big Ten player on the board, dropped to No. 8 from No. 5 last week
* Purdue DE Ryan Kerrigan held steady at No. 13
* Ohio State DL Cameron Heyward held steady at No. 15

Position Rankings: Seniors

* Ohio State's Brandon Saine is No. 5 among running backs
* Wisconsin's Lance Kendricks is No. 1 among tight ends
* Wisconsin's Gabe Carimi is No. 5 among offensive tackles
* Penn State's Stefen Wisniewski is No. 2 among centers (Wisniewski has moved back to guard this year)
* Iowa's Clayborn is No. 1 among defensive ends
* Purdue's Kerrigan is No. 3 among defensive ends
* Ohio State's Heyward is No. 4 among defensive ends
* Michigan State's Greg Jones is No. 1 among inside linebackers
* Ohio State's Ross Homan is No. 4 among outside linebackers
* Iowa's Ryan Donahue is No. 1 among punters

Position Rankings: Non-Seniors

* Penn State's Joe Suhey is No. 4 among fullbacks
* Northwestern's Al Netter is No. 4 among offensive tackles
* Purdue's Ken Plue is No. 5 among guards
* Ohio State's Mike Brewster is No. 1 among centers
* Michigan's David Molk is No. 5 among guards
* Wisconsin's J.J. Watt is No. 4 among defensive ends
* Wisconsin's Philip Welch is No. 3 among kickers
* Purdue's Carson Wiggs is No. 5 among kickers


  

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45. "any team that moves David Molk from C would be making a mistake"
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46. "I meant to watch him during the Notre Dame game"
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but I was focused on Floyd (nh) and forgot to save it on DVR. Mayock was gushing about him though.

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47. "Pittsburgh vs. Miami-FL"
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OT Jason Pinkston, Pittsburgh (6'4, 300) -- I was ready to anoint this guy after the first quarter. I became less impressed over the next half hour, yet almost came back to my first conclusion after watching the final 15 minutes. Footwork is clean, he makes all the pass protection steps without losing balance, and has great reflexes (usually the first one into his stance off the snap). But he doesn't have a strong punch and can get into slapfights or bullied. Still, one of the better college tackles I've seen this year.

WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh (6’5, 220) -- It's hard to judge his performance separate from the awfulness that is Pitt's offensive line and quarterback. Physically, he's an imposing possession receiver with the ball skills to score long touchdowns. Long-strider and against Miami's constant press coverage, I thought he got a little too busy with his takeoff -- just jab step and go. That last interception, he just seemed to lose the ball in the lights.

DE Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh (6'4, 260) -- Lined up as a five-technique end for most of the game, holding the edge pretty well and disrupting some running lanes with a nice power rush. Although he ended up with a pair of sacks, what stood out to me was his lack of closing speed -- often he had Jacory or a ball-carrier in space, and couldn't close the distance (Jacory isn't fast, either). And despite some good pass rush variety, he doesn't seem to have an elite first step.

RB Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh (5'8, 195) -- Draft-eligible, I believe, due to the fact he had a year of prep school. The blocking he received was generally poor, with at least one assignment blown per run play. Very quick feet, yet lacks great acceleration with his cuts. When he managed to make it past the line of scrimmage, he wanted to make a lateral move but couldn't outrun defenders. That's not a good sign when he's already undersized (and can't run linebackers over). While I realize Wanny loves to overwork his backs, with Lewis' physical limitations I don't see him entering the draft until he can ramp up his production.

OT Orlando Franklin, Miami-FL (6'7, 312) -- Unevenly distributed mass...in other words, he's got skinny legs. Has some real sloppy slides and crosses his feet up. Gets top heavy in the run and pass games, without the athleticism to recover. Can be embarrassingly tossed down by leverage-mindful linebackers. When he locks onto a stationary target he's a good player, but there are some real issues here.

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48. "Arkansas vs. Alabama"
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QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (6'6, 238) -- Jimmy Clausen 2.0. This performance reinforced everything I dislike about Mallett: terrible footwork, irresponsible decisions and lack of mental toughness. All of his interceptions had no explanation and basically cost his team the game.

On the first pick, a lazy throw directly to the safety in the end-zone, Arkansas had 3rd and goal from the six. They lined up in an empty set with four wide receivers and tight end D.J. Williams on the line -- basically trips left (3x2). Alabama countered by splitting their safeties high-low: Barron came down as the underneath robber, slightly offset to the right, while Lester went left, playing the trips side as help over the top.

With only 10 yards to defend, you cannot complete a dig route to Wright against that coverage! Lester was there to take away inside routes to Wright's side, and Mallett should've known that when he read the safeties pre-snap. Yet he just stared down Wright, as if mind-powers would levitate two defenders out of the ball's path. Easy pick for Lester.

Even worse, is that if Mallett had just looked to the left and drawn Barron with him (which he did), the split end was wide open on the other side! Fitzpatrick was playing outside leverage and couldn’t stop any slant (precisely the route the Arkansas receiver ran).

The second interception was a horrible throw, high (he missed high a lot) and over the middle into double coverage. Same for the third pick, which should've been thrown out of bounds and 10 rows deep. He could've had another interception in the first half when he threw a pass while falling to his knees sideways -- it hit Barron directly in his stone hands. That was also in the red-zone, so more proof of Mallet’s amazing ball security.

Aside from the poor decisions, however, even worse was his inability to handle adversity -- crying to the officials after every play in Arkansas' final two series. Yet he's the first guy to get in a defender's face or start shooting imaginary guns after a long touchdown pass. You can't have a NFL quarterback who is so childishly emotional.

RB Mark Ingram, Alabama (5'10, 215) -- A lot of people say Emmitt, and that's a good one, but to me he's also reminiscent of Edgerrin James. Nimble feet, great vision and burst. Both have soft hands and contribute well in the passing game. Edge might've been a little faster pre-ACL surgeries, but neither claim track speed and Ingram is stronger (while fumbling way less). Ingram also has great balance when he changes direction, and runs with better pad level than teammate Richardson.

DL Marcell Dareus, Alabama (6'4, 306) -- He's gained about 20 pounds since last season, not sure if it was just natural or the coaches insisted. Perhaps because of it, he's not as explosive off the edge -- although that might have to do with being out of game shape because of the suspension. Alabama plays him inside and out, depending on down and distance. I'm not sure if he makes a better 3-4 end or 4-3 tackle at this point. Got a little high at times against Arkansas and left early with an injury.

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49. "Oklahoma State vs. Texas A&M"
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RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State (5'8, 190) -- Another third-down back. Shifty, slides off tackles well, catches cleanly and has a little bit of burst...yet he can't challenge bigger defenders, gets east-west too much without the speed to clear the corner and is undersized. Very productive in college, though. I think of him as a Justin Forsett-type back: a versatile asset in small doses.

WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State (6'1, 207) -- I'm impressed. He's young (redshirt sophomore) and very raw -- his routes could be a ton better -- but he plays like a grown man. Made at least two Aggies come out of the game after he ran through him. He lacks amazing acceleration and deep speed, although his strong hands (he had to reach for most of Weeden's passes) and YAC abilities help offset that.

OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M (6'3, 240) -- Has an elite first step and knows how to use it. Gets offensive tackles backing up to match his speed, then tosses them aside and ducks back inside. Good punch and he frees his arms well. Not just a C/D gap rusher -- he would sometimes put his hand down and be part of a three-man rush. Work-in-progress as a pass defender; his drops are stuttering and he is often fooled on play-action. Does a good job holding the edge against the run, but he’s not an active pursuer. Spelled for inordinate amounts of time during games, even up to an entire series.

WR Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M (6'4, 215) -- Big target, soft hands, questionable speed -- I've seen this a lot. He showed some special ball skills on his first touchdown reception, and he generally caught everything smoothly (aside from one drop on a quick slant). Good routes, which is important because he doesn't give you much after he's secured the ball.

QB Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M (6'5, 243) -- Don't think he has a NFL arm. Long throwing motion and can tend to double-clutch. Left a lot of yardage on the field due to inaccuracy (too many back foot jump throws) and mediocre velocity (corners easily made up ground while the ball was in the air). Moves well for his size in a straight line but doesn't always have great pocket feel and is stiff when dodging tacklers.

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50. "Alabama vs. Florida"
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DL Marcell Dareus, Alabama (6'4, 306) -- Dominated the first half. I think I prefer him matched up against interior linemen -- he's just too quick and strong for most -- but he showed much better outside speed this week. He also had near perfect technique as an end on run plays, taking on dual blockers and holding the edge. Still fading a bit as the game goes on.

CB Janoris Jenkins, Florida (5'11, 186) -- Played a lot of man press against Julio (who obliged him with his requisite drop per game) and did a great job. Despite giving up at least 30 pounds, he got into Jones' face and bothered his route timing. Changes direction extremely well, without losing speed. One problem is his thin build, which mostly affects him in run defense.

OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida (6'6, 318) -- Much better in pass protection than run blocking (kind of Florida's general motto). Long wingspan, solid athleticism, decent feet -- he definitely has the makeup of a left tackle who can survive without help. He doesn't have great strength, though, and his run blocks range from decent to embarrassing (Hightower flipped him over his shoulder on one play).

FS Ahmad Black, Florida (5'9, 185) -- A bit too small for what he does. Florida dropped him near the line of scrimmage for most of the game to stop Alabama's running attack, but he doesn't have the size to drive back NFL ball-carriers and is only adequate in pass coverage.

DE Justin Trattou, Florida (6'3, 252) -- Solid player who doesn't have any standout abilities. Might catch on as a fourth end somewhere.

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51. "Michigan State vs. Wisconsin"
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OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin (6'7, 315) -- MONSTER. An earth-moving, armored Caterpillar bulldozer in the run game. Impressively athletic; Wisconsin put him in space on numerous sweeps -- he locked onto targets and destroyed them. I went crazy when he doubled the end, pushed him five yards backwards, peeled off, then found Greg Jones and literally ran him 15 feet from the line of scrimmage. Stout in pass protection, using great strength and wingspan to wall off linemen (this will need to improve a bit in a pro passing offense). One thing: He needs to keep his hands inside defender's pads, as he almost could've been called for wraparound holds on several plays.

TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin (6'4, 240) -- Not heavily showcased in this game. Struggles to block moving targets and figures more as a h-back than true tight end. I need more looks at him in the passing game.

RB John Clay, Wisconsin (6'1, 260) -- I think he was dealing with some ankle injuries, but I've never been a fan. Average feet and he comes to a complete stop when making cuts. Running a route is a much needed breather for him. He'll need perfect run-blocking in the NFL, and even with that he's a limited runner because he lacks elusiveness and is only decent in a straight line...kind of like Bowser in Mario Kart. And nobody picked Bowser in Mario Kart.

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53. "This alone makes you better than McShay"
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>He'll need perfect
>run-blocking in the NFL, and even with that he's a limited
>runner because he lacks elusiveness and is only decent in a
>straight line...kind of like Bowser in Mario Kart. And nobody
>picked Bowser in Mario Kart.

  

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110. "Have you watched Kendricks more?"
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>OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin (6'7, 315) -- MONSTER. An
>earth-moving, armored Caterpillar bulldozer in the run game.
>Impressively athletic; Wisconsin put him in space on numerous
>sweeps -- he locked onto targets and destroyed them. I went
>crazy when he doubled the end, pushed him five yards
>backwards, peeled off, then found Greg Jones and literally ran
>him 15 feet from the line of scrimmage. Stout in pass
>protection, using great strength and wingspan to wall off
>linemen (this will need to improve a bit in a pro passing
>offense). One thing: He needs to keep his hands inside
>defender's pads, as he almost could've been called for
>wraparound holds on several plays.

He's a beast and will be a top ten pick next year.

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>TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin (6'4, 240) -- Not heavily
>showcased in this game. Struggles to block moving targets and
>figures more as a h-back than true tight end. I need more
>looks at him in the passing game.

Despite being injured he's in the top 5 yards received among TEs. He is an exceptional blocker and you can tell how much the run game suffers when he is not in there. He consistently takes multiple guys on and excels. He is one of the best TE blockers in NCAA.

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>RB John Clay, Wisconsin (6'1, 260) -- I think he was dealing
>with some ankle injuries, but I've never been a fan. Average
>feet and he comes to a complete stop when making cuts. Running
>a route is a much needed breather for him. He'll need perfect
>run-blocking in the NFL, and even with that he's a limited
>runner because he lacks elusiveness and is only decent in a
>straight line...kind of like Bowser in Mario Kart. And nobody
>picked Bowser in Mario Kart.

If he can get 100% healthy and lose weight he could be a decent NFL back. Not sure he'll ever get there but he may leave anyway after the season. He should come back because of his heath, performance and potential league impasse. He has lots to prove still.

  

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111. "kinda"
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he didn't play most of the Ohio State or Iowa games, but I did note down below how he was giving it to Clayborn (N/H) before he left. last Wisconsin game I caught, Indiana, there was really no point in judging anybody from the Badgers. probably have to wait for their bowl.

and to me it doesn't matter if Clay stays or goes. he'll still probably be fat and injury-prone next season (last year didn't seem to instill much change in him). plus, I think Wisconsin would give Ball and White more carries when they lose Carimi and Moffitt (who make it *real* easy for Clay's plodding style at times).

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52. "USC vs. Washington"
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DT Jurrell Casey, USC (6'1, 305) -- The one Trojan defender who repeatedly got after it. He's bounced from nose to three technique in recent weeks and played the latter against Washington -- which I believe is his best position. Exploded through his gap all night, athletic, and really does a great job of getting low and shedding blocks. Could be a big riser for 4-3 teams in April.

QB Jake Locker, Washington (6'3, 226) -- Missed two easy touchdowns inside the 15 but his receivers didn't help him much this game (tons of drops). At his best on play-action, especially when he rolls out (waggle!) and halves the field. Conversely, he doesn't look comfortable at all under center...very mechanical, and it's like you can see him over-thinking every one of his movements.

RB Chris Polk, Washington (5'11, 210) -- Upright runner and not exciting. Played volleyball with a couple passes and didn't do much to distinguish himself from the dime-a-dozen backs in college.

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54. "Oregon vs. Stanford"
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RB LaMichael James, Oregon (5'9, 185) -- Tremendous acceleration. He sees a crease and gets to the second level immediately, which is really fun to watch. Lacks NFL strength but a surprisingly tough runner who takes on linebackers and secondary players. Probably too small for a starter, but could really do well in a zone scheme.

WR Jeff Maehl, Oregon (6'1, 184) -- I'd say he could be a potential inside receiver on four-wide sets, but his hands looked awfully shaky in this game. Seems to relish blocking despite his size. He better love being on a coverage unit, because special teams value will be his best chance.

ILB Casey Matthews, Oregon (6'2, 235) -- While I whiffed pretty badly in evaluating his brother, I don't think he's as good. Seems instinctive, challenged Marecic in the hole and had a pretty active first half. Could be a quality back-up.

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (6'4, 235) -- I'm now at man-crush. His first touchdown pass was senior-level quarterbacking: He knew he had Whalen in single coverage all the way, but he moved the safety by looking to the other side of his field during his entire drop. Safety stepped that direction, and boom -- Luck turns and fires a beautiful strike. If I was a Bills fan I would've gotten wood watching that play.

He's also got amazing pocket presence and feel for pressure. Four or five times he completed a pass with an Oregon player either draped around him or about to hit him -- he knows when time's up. Excellent mobility, and he runs with his head always looking downfield, always going through progressions, always squaring his shoulders before a throw (he loses no accuracy outside the pocket). His play-action form is NFL-ready (see: his second passing touchdown).

Sure, he forced some deep balls in the second half, but that's easily correctable and came from the pressure of a shoot-out slipping away from Stanford. Everything you look for in a quarterback prospect...it's all here.

FB Owen Marecic, Stanford (6'1, 244) -- Limited athletically and an uneven blocker who struggles with moving targets outside the tackles. No future at middle linebacker due to his lack of speed, a problem with several Stanford defenders against Oregon (Chip Kelly went after their safety, #40, the entire damn game).

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>RB LaMichael James, Oregon (5'9, 185) -- Tremendous
>acceleration. He sees a crease and gets to the second level
>immediately, which is really fun to watch. Lacks NFL strength
>but a surprisingly tough runner who takes on linebackers and
>secondary players. Probably too small for a starter, but could
>really do well in a zone scheme.

I'm not sure how much of LMJ you've seen, but one of the things that hasn't been on display as much lately, is how ridiculously shifty he can be. He's getting the opportunity now to just bust through the tiny creases but if you actually get a chance to watch a replay when he's trying to find the way through a mess of players, it's incredible to watch. The way he can pick his feet up and burst a few yards sideways by slamming them down again, is just crazy. He's got ludicrous "lateral" speed. I will also note that seeing him refuse to be tackled until the 3rd and 4th and 5th guys are on the scene is kind of a regular event at this point.

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>WR Jeff Maehl, Oregon (6'1, 184) -- I'd say he could be a
>potential inside receiver on four-wide sets, but his hands
>looked awfully shaky in this game. Seems to relish blocking
>despite his size. He better love being on a coverage unit,
>because special teams value will be his best chance.
>

He was uncharacteristically poor in the Stanford game. He's a rock of a receiver for this team otherwise. And besides just being consistent in catching the ball, he makes some really difficult catches - diving and leaping. Given his slight frame he's also surprisingly physical - you mention his blocking but beyond that he takes the punishment from safeties and stands right back up. His speed is improved this year, also.

>ILB Casey Matthews, Oregon (6'2, 235) -- While I whiffed
>pretty badly in evaluating his brother, I don't think he's as
>good. Seems instinctive, challenged Marecic in the hole and
>had a pretty active first half. Could be a quality back-up.
>

No argument...

>QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (6'4, 235)
>...but he moved the safety by looking to the other side of his field
>during his entire drop. Safety stepped that direction, and
>boom -- Luck turns and fires a beautiful strike. If I was a
>Bills fan I would've gotten wood watching that play.

Ridiculous conversion.

  

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55. "Kansas State vs. Nebraska"
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RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas State (6'2, 228) -- I wasn't hung up on the low production, since Nebraska had better defensive personnel at every position, and was actually encouraged a bit by some of the routes he ran from the backfield and slot. That being said, his main hang-up remains his height: His legs are too long, and he can't make cuts at NFL speed. A couple times he tripped himself up trying to stop and go or juke a defender.

RB Roy Helu Jr., Nebraska (6'0, 220) -- I don't think Helu is anything special -- good enough measurables with some latter round value -- but I have to point out how terrible Kansas State's safeties were in this game. Between the two of them, they seriously were responsible for nearly every long run the Huskers had: they took terrible angles, missed tackles, were fooled on any type of misdirection or play-action, could NOT cover, and just in general made this game an ordeal to watch.

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60. "Thoughts on Taylor Martinez?"
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I am by no means a scout nor do I know what translates over to the NFL, but this kid did tremendously. The only reason why I ask is because he graduated from the high school where I work at and it would be great to just be able to say "Oh yeah Taylor? He graduated from Centennial."

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61. "I usually skip over ineligible players"
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Martinez being a redshirt sophomore and all. That said, his athleticism will give him a chance in the secondary or at receiver...but I don't see a NFL future for him at quarterback. He's got worse form and passing sense than Denard (who's not going to play at that position either in the NFL), and I don't see him developing into a real QB prospect over the next three years.

Of course, the Huskers shouldn't change how he's being used right now. As long as he's a capable passer, his current skills are overwhelming in college.

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68. "Martinez is a RS Frosh"
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other than that, spot-on

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69. "good catch. obv. he'd be eligible as a RS-soph."
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67. "Vontaze Burfict is a Centennial grad too as well right?"
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in fact I was thinking the entire starting LB corps for ASU was from that HS

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56. "Florida vs. LSU"
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FS Will Hill, Florida (6'1, 200) -- A worse version of Ahmad Black. He played terribly against Alabama and was directly responsible for Toliver's long touchdown before the half. Not a quality tackler (goes for big hits and is often run over) and mediocre in coverage.

OT Joseph Barksdale, LSU (6'6, 318) -- Made the switch from right to left tackle this year, continuing the Tigers' proud tradition of massive linemen who aren't quick enough to make it in the NFL on an island. In fact, he's not even as good as his somewhat clumsy but effective predecessors (Herman Johnson and Ciron Black).

Lacks a "mean streak"; a timid player who carries out his assignments with no visible tenacity. Atrocious blocker at the second level -- plods towards linebackers with his head down and reaching at air. Unable to slide his feet in pass protection and his hinge step is awful. I'm sure he’s a nice guy though.

WR Terrance Toliver, LSU (6'5, 203) -- Another receiver seemingly limited by inconsistent quarterback play throughout his career. Certainly looks the part, more so than Brandon LaFell did, yet he's been less productive and can have the same knack for disappointing plays. Still, the tools are here, and I wouldn't be surprised to see himself move into the higher portion of the middle rounds.

DT Drake Nevis, LSU (6'2, 287) -- Very disruptive one-gap lineman. Relies heavily on his quickness -- he needs a great jump off the snap because he can't drive back linemen who've beat him into their stance. To that end, he's a shade undersized per NFL prototypes, but I don’t think that hurts him much with his speed and position.

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57. "Alshon Jeffery looked like F'n Andre Johnson Saturday"
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I'd kill to have him on the Redskins.

  

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58. "he's good; you have to wait until 2012 though."
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62. "Wisconsin vs. Ohio State"
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DL J.J. Watt, Wisconsin (6'6, 292) -- "Everyone in America roots for guys like Watt." (c) Brent Musberger. I dunno about all that, but he had a pretty solid game. Gets upfield quickly (maybe too quickly on run plays) and uses his hands extremely well. High-effort, run-and-chase kind of player who adds versatility inside. Tends to stand up too much, leaving him pretty vulnerable against smart offensive linemen.

OG Justin Boren, Ohio State (6'3, 320) -- Doesn't always amaze with brute strength or athleticism, but his technical skills are incredibly polished. Rarely misses an assignment and is clearly the most fundamentally sound lineman on the team. Gives little ground in pass protection (great teamwork with Brewster) and provides nice seals on traps and when pulling.

DL Cameron Heyward, Ohio State (6'5, 288) -- A non-factor the entire night. Carimi and Moffitt took turns neutralizing him, each without any help. Got zero pass-rush, was bodied on short-yardage plays, and by the fourth quarter he seemed ready to get out of there...a really bad performance in all phases.

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63. "dude might be starting to cost himself money"
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>DL Cameron Heyward, Ohio State (6'5, 288) -- A non-factor the
>entire night. Carimi and Moffitt took turns neutralizing him,
>each without any help. Got zero pass-rush, was bodied on
>short-yardage plays, and by the fourth quarter he seemed ready
>to get out of there...a really bad performance in all phases.

he's had a strange career. beasted as a true frosh, nowhere to be found soph year, unblockable in his junior year...comes back his senior year to to be the next will smith and he's MIA. big players make plays in big games.

  

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65. "I thought he played well against Miami"
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but yeah, this was a big step back. he really needs to show out against Iowa, because I was stunned at how invisible he was last Saturday.

on another note, and guru has mentioned this, but Posey should be thinking about coming back as well. Pryor was obviously wretched for most of the game, but I've caught bits of Ohio State's recent contests and Posey looks to be going through the motions half the time.

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66. "yeah he was always rumored to be a 3 and out guy...just like ray small"
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>on another note, and guru has mentioned this, but Posey should
>be thinking about coming back as well.

posey's production has not matched the hype and yes he often looks distinterested. right now sanzenbacher is by far our best WR. posey's hands are braylon-esque and i cant even recall him ever making a big play to get YAC. having duron carter in the lineup would've helped his cause this year. anyway he'd be nuts to leave, especially given the WR crop that's coming out this year.

  

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70. "Also, I cannot WAIT until Chimdi Chekwa leaves...."
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good kid, works hard and all..but he is nothing but average and thats not good enough...

I mean this is TOSU..I mean we're SUPPOSED to have a physical shutdown corner at all times, the type that dont even have passes thrown their way...

thats not Chekwa...and its not Torrence either

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64. "Nebraska vs. Texas"
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OLB Lavonte David, Nebraska (6'1, 210) -- A tweener, in a bad way. Basically a safety playing in the box for Pelini, giving them more flexibility in coverage. He's above average but not dominant in pass defense (burned badly by Whittaker on a little angle route). Looked like Kim Yu Na against the run. Dances around blocks and was routinely shoved out of the TV frame by guards hitting the second level.

DB Eric Hagg, Nebraska (6'2, 210) -- Like this guy's versatility. Jumps between corner and safety as needed, with experience covering slot receivers. Solid tackler and showed he's got some return value as well. He doesn't excel at anything, but you have to be intrigued by a guy who can be a top back-up at safety and play man coverage in nickel and dime packages.

WR Niles Paul, Nebraska (6'1, 220) -- Bad game for him. If you can't run past a NFL corner, and he won’t, then you have to catch everything in sight, which he didn't. His drops were not easy plays but ones a good receiver should make -- you’ve got to wonder how well he can track the football. Solemn demeanor between plays was not a great sign.

DE Sam Acho, Texas (6'3, 260) -- Muschamp played a lot of 5-2 / 50 front against Nebraska, so Acho ended up being shaded more towards the guard. Nebraska didn't even block him on half their runs, as he was usually the "read" lineman during options, and he mush-rushed against Martinez on passing downs (for gap discipline). Overall, an odd game to judge him by.

Still, his first step is lacking -- he was often the last Longhorn lineman to get off the line. Kind of a loafer when the play exits his immediate area. I need to see more, but he didn't overly impress.

CB Chykie Brown, Texas (6'0, 194) -- Inordinately long-legged and needs extra steps to transition in coverage. Had a few nice plays, but again, this wasn't the right game for defensive backs to be evaluated.

OLB Keenan Robinson, Texas (6'3, 239) -- Knocked out of the game early in the second half. Nice weak side prospect with the ball skills of a converted safety. He flows to the ball well, but I question his tackling ability against NFL running backs...he's a tall, lanky guy who could get embarrassed by ball-carriers with good pad level.

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71. "Oregon vs. UCLA"
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TE David Paulson, Oregon (6'4, 241) -- Soft hands and uses a great wingspan to reach passes defenders cannot. Average athlete who needed to illegally push off against better defenders in man coverage. Did a better than (I) expected job of blocking, tying up Ayers and others without getting pushed around. That's the key for him as far as the NFL goes.

OLB Kenny Rowe, Oregon (6'3, 232) -- Just average. Runs a little stiff when playing in space and doesn't scare teams with his speed. He was usually on the backside of most UCLA run plays -- sometimes they blocked him, sometimes they let him chase -- but didn't make a big impact either way. I like that he's comfortable on both sides of the line, standing and hand down, but he's no more than solid.

OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA (6'4, 255) -- What's going on with this guy? Darron Thomas ran past him repeatedly, which is fine, but then flippin' Nate Costa beat him to the edge. Tried a flying shoulder charge against LaMichael James and watched him bounce off for more yards. Still great in coverage but this game was not impressive in the least.

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74. "for the record..."
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Nate runs the 40 slightly faster than Darron.

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75. "sorry, I'm racist."
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76. "lol"
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I was, admittedly, tempted to include "WHITE!!!!!" on the end of my post...

  

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72. "Miami-FL vs. UNC"
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OLB Sean Spence, Miami-FL (6'0, 220) -- Definitely undersized but he plays much tougher than he looks. Gets off linemen pretty quickly and isn't scared to challenge a blocker. Excellent flow to the ball. What stands out is his pass coverage, though -- he can run and cover nearly any back or tight end. Even when he was beat by Elzy (got caught overplaying the flat), he still managed to catch up and force a fumble at the goal-line. Just a real instinctive linebacker.

OLB Bruce Carter, UNC (6'3, 235) -- First round? I'm not seeing it. Plays most of the game at half-speed and disappears for long stretches. Gets physical one play then bows out the next. Bob Davie went nuts when he chased down a freshman running back (OMG wow!), yet had he played that fast the entire night, he could've stopped the Travis Benjamin touchdown too. Seems like a guy who knows the season has gone to shit, misses his senior classmates and is ready to cash his first NFL check.

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73. "Missouri vs. Oklahoma"
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QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (6'5, 235) -- Great size, can make every throw, and has above-average mobility (on the white guy scale). Mostly shotgun for him and can panic in a tight pocket, feeling pressure that isn't always there. Suffers from an inconsistent delivery -- he gets lazy with his footwork, sidestepping throws that he doesn't get on top of and subsequently sail high. That means his accuracy still comes and goes, even on the multitude of short reads in Missouri’s offense.

Good, not great, prospect. Can move up to very good depending on how he gets through the post-season evaluations. Next week @ Nebraska should be a good gauge as well.

DE Aldon Smith, Missouri (6'5, 260) -- Broke his fibula about a month ago, so this was his first game back. Played half the defensive snaps (probably less), mostly on passing downs. You could tell he was a bit tentative and rusty -- you could also tell how talented he is. How sick was that interception on the screen?

Awesome punch, and great at snapping his hands free and pushing bigger tackles aside. Good first step (should be even better in a few weeks) and he can play the run because of how fast he sheds linemen. Sometimes lets his height keep him from maintaining leverage, but he's so athletic that he can usually fight off the block anyway. Redshirt sophomore, so he's eligible, but I can see him flying up boards as a junior.

FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma (6'1, 195) -- I just had to point out that his tackling style is straight from the "I'm Trying To Get Paralyzed" textbook. His technique for tackling receivers over the middle was to put his head down and spear them with his helmet. The first time it garnered a penalty. The second time he knocked himself the fuck out.

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77. "Oklahoma State vs. Nebraska"
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CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska (6'1, 200) -- I have a hard time believing he's taller than six feet. He looks shorter than Dennard. For a guy who prides himself on playing physically -- bump and run, downfield hand-fighting -- he ran into a receiver who was bigger, stronger and tougher than him.

I can excuse getting fooled on the flea-flicker, it happens, but Weeden's pass was so underthrown that Amukamara still had time to catch up with Blackmon -- he just couldn't make a play on the ball. That was the story of their match-up: Whenever Blackmon (who's listed at 6'1 himself) needed to make a catch, he just body-screened and out-jumped Amukamara.

Overall, not a good afternoon for him. There are a lot of big, strong receivers in the NFL and Amukamara needs to show much better ball skills than he did against Oklahoma State.

CB Alonzo Dennard, Nebraska (5'10, 195) -- Probably had the best day of anybody in Nebraska's secondary (not saying much; Hagg and Gomes were brutal). Smooth backpedal and has good short-area burst when it comes to playing zone. Can run with most receivers and plays the ball decently, although his hands could be better. Overall, solid.

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78. "Iowa vs. Wisconsin"
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DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa (6'3, 285) -- Another uneven performance. He's struggled a lot to hold ground in the run game: He was repeatedly buried by Carimi, as well as Kendricks and the back-up tight end that came in to replace him. He did get a few good pressures, mostly beating Carimi to the outside, but his pass rush wasn't consistent and far from dominant.

He still *looks* the part -- great size, strong punch and scary quickness in a five-yard radius -- but so far this season Clayborn's talent has not resulted in matching production.

WR Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, Iowa (6'1, 200) -- The opposite of McNutt. He's a very capable blocker, has solid hands and does very well catching about half the route tree. What he struggles with is separation -- marginal speed (the long touchdown came when Brinkley fell down) and he gets beat to the ball on the post and deep out. Could be a decent possession receiver.

CB Shaun Prater, Iowa (5'11, 180) -- Has a lot of jerky, wasteful movement out of his backpedal and lacks closing speed (couldn't close ground on Clay of all people). *Shrug*.

OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin (6'7, 315) -- He wasn't perfect -- started lunging a bit when reaching for linebackers, and his footwork let him down a couple times against Clayborn's rush -- but he was still damn impressive. Continues to dominate all comers in the run game (he shoved Clayborn to the *other* side of the formation on a successful 4th and 1 conversion) and his overall pass protection was solid. Remains the best tackle prospect I've seen this season.

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79. "NC State vs. Florida State"
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QB Christian Ponder, Florida State (6'3, 227) -- The East Coast Jake Locker. I'm starting to question his arm strength after this game, as his throws to the far sideline and deep middle looked dead on arrival. Gruesome decision-making at times and his accuracy is mediocre at its very best. Middle round project.

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87. "how did Russell Wilson look?"
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88. "I like him...but"
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he's short (listed 5'11? I'd say he measures no taller than 5'10 by next April) and that's going to hurt him a lot. and as I mentioned before, his footwork could be a lot tighter as well.

he's a great passer from the flats to mid-range, but has a bad habit of forcing things when he goes downfield. against ECU (three picks) he attempted several passes that really didn't have a chance to be completed.

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80. "Connecticut vs. West Virginia"
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RB Jordan Todman, Connecticut (5'9, 193) -- Average at pretty much everything. Nice collegiate back but he goes to the ground too easily and lacks long speed.

RB Noel Devine, West Virginia (5'8, 186) -- He's been nicked since the LSU game but having seen him play over a dozen times, his strengths and weaknesses are fairly obvious: special acceleration, legit receiver, gives nothing between the tackles and you risk a quarterback's life by putting him in pass protect.

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85. "RE: Connecticut vs. West Virginia"
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Have you seen Noel Divine play?

His acceleration isn't special; he actually gets caught from behind often. He's fast, but not as fast as one would think. His vision, balance and ability to run between the tackles is what makes him good, he's also very strong.

I've been watching him for 6 years and not much has changed except he's even stronger now.




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86. "acceleration vs. long speed."
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he can gear up to top speed quickly -- it's just that his top speed isn't as good as other players. Barry Sanders principle.

I don't like him between the tackles. he dances a lot because college defenders don't close cutback lanes as fast as in the NFL. and his acceleration gets him through the second level (beating the angles of slower linebackers) more than his strength.

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81. "Boston College vs. Clemson"
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OT Anthony Costonzo, Boston College (6'7, 308) -- Has left tackle agility but lacks strength. His punch literally sucks and in the past few games he's been muscled backwards by Florida State strongman Brandon Jenkins (6'3, 234) and this week, Andre Branch (6'5, 260). Takes some bad blocking angles in the run game and gets turned too often by quicker pass rushers. There's some potential here but he has to get much tougher and stronger.

OT Chris Hairston, Clemson (6'6, 320) -- Lumbering giant who surprisingly looks worse as a run-blocker then he does stepping back in protection. Still, he should be at guard.

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98. "CHRIS HAIRSTON! CARVER HIGH SCHOOL!"
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Haha he took my position after I graduated *tear* 8)

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82. "Oklahoma vs. Colorado"
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CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado (6'2, 205) -- Colorado doesn't have their corners follow specific receivers, so he stayed on the left side exclusively. Matched up mostly against Stills and Kenney, although he did slide over to cover Broyles in the slot at times (he held him without a catch on four pass attempts). I was disappointed in how he played Kenney on the fade -- with his size he should've been turned much faster and just out-jumped him to the ball -- but he ran with everyone who lined up across from him and blanketed the smaller Broyles.

Not a great form tackler, although his size gives him an advantage against most runners who come his way. Might be a little big to stay at corner in the NFL, but the great thing about those guys is they usually transition well as safeties.

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83. "Nebraska vs. Missouri"
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CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska (6'1, 200) -- He's going to get called for illegal contact *so* much in the NFL. Soft backpedal and waits for receivers to commit to a route, then bumps / grabs them to knock off the timing and let him reposition. It's how Nebraska coaches them (pattern-reading), but he should've gotten beat on a double move by Jackson (late throw) and did get beat for a touchdown by Moe (actually great coverage, just a perfect throw). Also dropped a pick-six.

I'm not going out of my way to down him -- his recovery speed is very impressive and I like him much more in straight-up, press-man -- just being extra critical because of how high he's projected.

QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (6'5, 235) -- For fuck's sake, his lack of pocket feel was driving me crazy! It’s great that he wants the ball out in two seconds, but when his first read isn't there, he starts panic-dancing and sacks himself. Most of the times he broke out of the pocket, he would've been FINE just moving two feet in any direction. Three-man rush and he's doing 360s like it's an all-out blitz.

The rest of his game wasn't much better, as one-versus-one Nebraska has better secondary players than Missouri's receivers (that's what the spread is all about, right? Tigers couldn't win their singular match-ups) and his accuracy was poor. I was also peeved by Missouri's insistence to run the ball out of the shotgun, with two receivers, at the goal-line. Three times in a row. Shockingly, they had to kick a field goal.

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89. "Mizzou's offensive play calling in general pissed me off in that game..."
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afte being very agressive and pulling out everything but the kitchen sink the week prior against OU, they seemed to play timid and conservative yesterday in Lincoln. The short-yardage shit pissed me off too. They have a goal line package that they run with mobile backup QB James Franklin that they inexplicably didn't use at all yesterday.

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84. "Georgia vs. Florida"
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WR A.J. Green, Georgia (6'4, 212) -- He could've had a much bigger game, stats-wise, but Murray was missing throws all over the place (Gary Danielson is one annoying commentator: It's *always* somebody else's fault but the quarterback's). Stronger than he looks, can take a hit and has room to add muscle to his frame without sacrificing speed or agility. His hands are tremendous -- he can make any catch, at any time -- and once he bulks up a bit he'll do a better job boxing out corners and safeties. His routes could also be a little crisper, but it's not a real issue.

CB Janoris Jenkins, Florida (5'11, 186) -- This guy is becoming one of my favorite corners of the draft class. His interception was perfectly played -- he read hitch all the way, even after Green's hard release, and showed sick ball skills to snag it over a long-armed receiver that's five inches taller. Great technique.

He followed Green around a good bit, though he wasn't on him the entire game. The knock on him is size, more so bulk than height, but he's now outplayed two legit, bigger NFL receivers in Julio and Green.

RB Jeff Demps, Florida (5'8, 185) -- Possible kick returner in the NFL, and he has experience on coverage and block teams as well. His actual running style on offense is quite limited; amazing speed but he's a pillow with cleats inside the tackles and gets away with running laterally in college.

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90. "We said the same thing about Jamaal Charles"
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>RB Jeff Demps, Florida (5'8, 185) -- Possible kick returner in
>the NFL, and he has experience on coverage and block teams as
>well. His actual running style on offense is quite limited;
>amazing speed but he's a pillow with cleats inside the tackles
>and gets away with running laterally in college.


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91. "I was wrong about Charles"
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BUT it's Florida, and Urban Meyer, so I will confidently predict he won't be rushing for 200+ yards in the NFL.

and really, Demps hasn't done anything against a SEC defense this season -- his previous success came from Tebow bludgeoning teams into boredom / submission, at which point he'd catch the contain sleeping and break one off.

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92. "Just saying. I use the 'Ahman Green' rule when it comes to RBs"
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>BUT it's Florida, and Urban Meyer, so I will confidently
>predict he won't be rushing for 200+ yards in the NFL.
>
>and really, Demps hasn't done anything against a SEC defense
>this season -- his previous success came from Tebow
>bludgeoning teams into boredom / submission, at which point
>he'd catch the contain sleeping and break one off.

Green was blazing fast in an option offense and was
criticized for not being able to run between the
tackles in college.


Five years into his pro career, he's one of the 10
most disgusting in between the tackle runners ever
(that one 1800 yard season was one of the best ever.
he was destroying people)

My point: Fast, athletic running backs? Give em too me.
We can usually teach nastiness and intangibles.

Other rexamples Chris Johnson and Ahmad Bradshaw too

This strategy misfires at times (Reggie Bush), but
Im just a bit more careful when it comes to running backs



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93. "Illinois vs. Purdue"
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ILB Martez Wilson, Illinois (6'4, 250) -- Plays the middle for Illinois but lacks the requisite instincts. Doesn't play fast in space (yet has a decent backpedal), diagnoses plays slowly and late in pursuit. You know when he looks like a NFL player though? When he puts his hand down and rushes off the edge. I'm thinking 3-4 linebacker would be a much better fit for him.

DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue (6'4, 263) -- Quite versatile: he holds the point well against the run, was used as a roaming, stand-up rusher, and even slid inside for a few plays at tackle (that last part won't happen in the NFL). He's got short arms and can get tied up, but does well using the threat of speed to set up a power rush. While not a freak athlete, I can see him moving up the board if he times fast. Bonus points for giving the same effort even as the score escalated beyond control.

OT Jeff Allen, Illinois (6'5, 305) -- Had some good battles against Kerrigan. Surprisingly solid in pass protection, with a smooth drop step (although he got away with a couple holds). Switched from right to left for most of the game, which I'm not a big fan of for tackles. Really struggles to lock onto linebackers on runs and screens -- serious shadow blocking going on at the second level.

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94. "how much higher can he move up?"
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>DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue (6'4, 263) -- Quite versatile: he
>holds the point well against the run, was used as a roaming,
>stand-up rusher, and even slid inside for a few plays at
>tackle (that last part won't happen in the NFL). He's got
>short arms and can get tied up, but does well using the threat
>of speed to set up a power rush. While not a freak athlete, I
>can see him moving up the board if he times fast. Bonus points
>for giving the same effort even as the score escalated beyond

>going on at the second level.

everyone has him going in rhe first round. And I commend you even I didn't bother with that game

  

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96. "I've seen him mocked from first to second (round)."
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I would think his limit is the middle third of round one. even that depends though, because there are some freakish redshirt sophomores that could declare.

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95. "yeah, Martez played DE in high school, originally he was at OLB..."
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at Illini, I guess the line of thinking moving him inside was to get their best defensive player in the position to make the most plays, kinda like how Tennessee did with Leonard Little his senior year

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97. "Virginia Tech vs. Georgia Tech"
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QB Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech (6'1, 210) -- He's short, probably more so than listed, and you can tell he has trouble when passing lanes are clogged by linemen. Aside from one pass he skipped to the sideline, he showed off impressive arm strength with an effortless delivery -- not to mention accuracy over the middle and leading receivers in the flats. The interception in the end-zone was a horrible play, one where Taylor could have easily ran (despite the double spies) but wanted to "be a quarterback" and make a throw from the pocket. When you can out-run linebackers, don't take away one of your greatest strengths in that situation. Possibly a developmental back-up.

RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech (5'10, 202) -- He's been hurt almost the entire year. Although he's unlikely to declare, I like him as a cutback runner (even better if your offensive line zone blocks) whose vision and elusiveness to make up for his average power. Solid hands as well.

WR Jarrett Boykin, Virginia Tech (6'2, 215) -- Hokie receivers often turn out better as pros than in college, for whatever that's worth. This one has a good size / speed ratio with some tackle-breaking ability after the catch. Sometimes he makes spectacular grabs in traffic, other times he fights the ball. Kind of a third receiver type who would play on the outside.

RB Anthony Allen, Georgia Tech (6'0, 229) -- Basically a fullback in college, and I can see him staying there in the NFL. Unlike other college backs who are converted out of necessity, Allen is used to lead blocking for Nesbitt and lining up shallow behind the line of scrimmage. Anyway, as a runner he has a short, quick stride and good leg drive. He's got a strong build that's mostly lean (hard to mention that without sounding gay...not that there's anything wrong with that ©) and can handle a beating. Probably will run a 4.6 next spring and get taken in the middle rounds. Sammy Morris.

CB Mario Butler, Georgia Tech (6'1, 184) -- He wasn't very fluid out of his backpedal when playing three-deep or quarters, but looked a hell of a lot better in run-and-follow man coverage. Long arms let him break up a pair of crossing routes beautifully.

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99. "Utah vs. TCU"
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CB Brandon Burton, Utah (6'0, 185) -- The 93-yard touchdown he gave up was one of the worst plays of the day (which is saying something for Utah). He'd been pretty nonchalant in coverage the series before that, and the TCU coaches picked him out with a little out and up route. He got caught staring into the backfield, flat-footed, couldn't make the tackle after the catch, and some 50 yards later the game was pretty much over.

WR Jeremy Kerley, TCU (5'10, 190) -- Fun to watch slot receiver-type. Catches the ball cleanly (did fail to bring in a lateral), mostly on quick-hitting screens and short routes. Quality burst and quick change of direction -- basically he can make defenders miss. Undersized and not a physical presence, but I’d take a look at him to fill in that fourth or fifth spot on a receiving corps, especially since he can return kicks. Hell, he can even be an emergency game day quarterback.

OG Marcus Cannon, TCU (6'6, 352) -- Plays left tackle, but projects as a guard (like seemingly every college tackle). He's got the body of a massive snowman and lacks power in his arms, which would seem to be a problem when he moves inside and has to anchor against defensive tackles.

DE/LB Wayne Daniels, TCU (6'2, 255) -- A monster in this game. Burned Utah with his speed, then walked back offensive linemen with a straight power rush. Great hand use and punched away double teams. Just as fast with his hand down or standing up, and he played the run better than you'd think.

CB Jason Teague, TCU (6'2, 201) -- I'm indifferent on this guy; he was glued to his receiver on most plays but doesn't have elite anticipation or ball skills. He's relatively skinny (I call it the "Madden 2004 player model look" -- disproportionate head to body ratio) and not a big presence on run defense either.

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100. "LSU vs. Alabama"
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RB Stevan Ridley, LSU (6'0, 223) -- Effective if unexciting. Quick feet and runs with good pad level, having just enough shiftiness to escape linebackers. No speed past 10 yards though. I'm not sure he profiles as any more than a second or third tailback in the NFL, though if he keeps producing he should get a decent shot.

CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (6'1, 222) -- Him against Julio was one of the best match-ups of the season. He got beat on two big plays (three including the pass interference on Maze): the back-shoulder catch in the first half and the slant for Alabama’s final touchdown. Both were perfect passes -- especially the touchdown, which was practically uncoverable.

Otherwise, he didn't do anything to hurt his status. Coverage was shadow-tight for the rest of the game, and did you see when he stepped up to press Julio? Twice he laid his hands into him and knocked a 220-pound receiver *backwards* on his release. Sick shit! He also remains the best-tackling corner in the nation: I don't think any other defensive back could have made the two plays he made on Julio (undercutting him two yards short of the first down in the open field) and Richardson (chasing laterally, but still wrapping him up and sitting him down at the goal-line).

WR Julio Jones, Alabama (6'4, 220) -- This was a much bigger game for him than Peterson after the latter shut him out last season. That said, I think he acquitted himself nicely -- the aforementioned two catches showed off his size advantage over practically any corner, and in general he looked much more inspired. I was about to compliment him on not having any drops too, but with 13 seconds left he found a way to handball a pass on Alabama's final possession. Bravo.

FS Mark Barron, Alabama (6'2, 210) -- I realize he carries a lot of responsibility with three new secondary starters, but lately, he hasn't played all that well. Certainly not up to standard for a guy with an Eric Berry poster on his wall. He didn't look bad against LSU, just average, and was half speed after getting hurt in the third quarter. Should be back next year.

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102. "agree on barron. really disappointed in him"
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considering the hype.

also, peterson is unreal. 220 pounds and the best cb i've seen in college ball this year? WOW.

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101. "Stanford vs. Arizona"
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QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (6'4, 235) -- What's so dope about Luck is that Stanford doesn't come into games and just stunt on teams with talent. Player for player they can't compare to many top 25 teams, but they get phenomenal coaching and out-execute their opponents.

Even better is that they do it with a ton of pro concepts. Fullback lines up next to the tight end and goes uncovered -- Luck makes the hot read and hits him in the flat for a first down. When Stanford wanted to throw deep against Arizona's pair of all-conference defensive ends, they lined up in a typical I-form (offset weak) and ran play-action. The pulling guard doubles Elmore with the tight end, the weakside fullback doubles Reed with the tackle, and even facing eight in the box, Luck gets max protect. The safety is out of position when he stepped up to play the run, making a cover three a cover zero. Owusu puts a double move on the corner -- which he had time to do because of the play scheme -- and Luck hits him in stride for the score. Perfect play, perfect execution, perfect football.

Buffalo should be asking for a team's entire 2012 draft if they end up with the number one overall.

WR Chris Owusu, Stanford (6'2, 200) -- Nice, sturdy target with soft hands. Runs decently and I like his ability to shake off defenders post-catch. Maybe you wonder about his separation against NFL corners, but he seems to read the coverage right in tandem with Luck and finds the proper weakness. He had three kickoff return touchdowns in 2009, too, and you know I'm always looking for special teams value with receivers. One red flag is his injury history -- he missed the start of this year with an undisclosed ailment (apparently Captain Comeback prescribes to Belichick rules) and got concussed badly against Oregon.

QB Nick Foles, Arizona (6'5, 245) -- Based on my limited, limited observations, Arizona's offense is not asking him to make a ton of reads. They spread the field 2x2 on most passing plays and make coverage adjustments before the snap. Corner playing soft and it's a hitch or out. Safety playing deep or shaded towards the middle and it's a receiver screen. Seam routes by the inside receivers when safeties move outside. All four receivers run streaks to bust cover two/three shells.

He also throws almost exclusively from the shotgun. Of the 15 or so times he lined up under center in a one-back set, Arizona passed just once (kind of obvious, huh?). So the all important play-action ability (resetting and reading the defense after turning your back) and consistency in his drops is unknown. Great height and an OK arm (he back-footed a couple throws, including the embarrassing soft toss interception). His receivers were ass in this game, dropping at least six passes, but I think he's more of a back-up type anyway.

OLB/DE Brooks Reed, Arizona (6'3, 255) -- Pass rush was tenacious -- great quickness off the line and he buries that inside shoulder on a direct line to the quarterback. He's got a ton of power for a hybrid linebacker-end (his best attack might be that straight bull rush) and throws in a nice spin move to mix things up. He even got penetration and held his gap pretty well against the run. Impressed.

DE Ricky Elmore, Arizona (6'5, 260) -- Less impressed. Slow reaction off the snap and his rush moves were limited. Didn't excel at anything...he was moved around against the run and does not seem to be especially fast or strong.

CB Trevin Wade, Arizona (5'11, 182) -- Horrible game. Skewered and left on the grill by the double move from Owusu. Fell down on a long completion during the next series. Later, he followed a receiver in motion pre-snap (indicating man coverage), then gave him up when he crossed the formation as if Arizona was playing zone. Said receiver was left to roam free. His biggest contribution was to Stoops' blood pressure.

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103. "Love Luck too, but college QBs are your weak spot"
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Damn you went in on Rivers & Matt Ryan before they were drafted. I mean I agreed at the time too, but still.

There's also the time you guaranteed Akili Smith would make @ least 10 Pro-bowls, and avg 5000 yds a season. We all make mistakes.

  

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104. "yeah, a lot of misses."
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I posted favorably about Roethlisberger when he came out of Miami-OH though.

LOL, and I seriously don't remember saying anything about Akili Smith. I even think that draft was before the sports board (and thus, my login). that was fun Oregon team to watch though, before Reuben Droughns broke his ankle.

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105. "Wisconsin vs. Indiana"
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WR Tandon Doss, Indiana (6'3, 205) -- Has some downfield ability with his size and wingspan, minus the track speed. Indiana used him primarily as an inside receiver in this game, slotted for screen fakes and quick patterns -- which is odd for a lanky guy who doesn't excel at short area quickness.

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106. "TCU vs. San Diego State"
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WR Vincent Brown, San Diego State (6'0, 195) -- Not sure how he times, but he showed pull away speed and his deep ball skills are excellent. Scored twice in this game and a few steps from having four touchdowns. Rough around the edges; he doesn't assert himself on inside routes and his patterns could be crisper (although you could probably give credit to TCU for knowing their tendencies). He does get moved around a lot, playing three different receiver positions, so that's a plus.

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116. "i'd be kinda surprised if he times *really* fast"
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i like him a lot, though. he doesn't usually get mentioned by himself much. he's usually talked about in comparison to demarco sampson, so no one talks about his route running on its own, they just say he's more polished at it than sampson is. they don't talk about how fast he is on his own, just that he's faster than sampson is. they don't talk about how well he blocks, just that he's less physical than sampson is.

and the production value of these non-national broadcasts (which is most of them) is pretty terrible, so i don't get to see as much as i want to. i'm (probably) going to the sdsu/utah game this weekend, though, so i'll get a better idea.

  

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117. "they are fairly similar."
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I had to double-check their numbers a few times against TCU. Brown reminds me of a non-BCS version of Mario Manningham -- doesn't have prototype size, not a huge factor over the middle, doesn't time extremely fast but plays like a deep threat and tracks the ball very well.

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107. "New Mexico State vs. Louisiana Tech"
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CB Davon House, New Mexico State (6'0, 182) -- Played tight man or press bail almost the entire game. Thrown at five times, with one completion for seven yards and a pass break-up. Based on the limited TV angles his coverage was solid; he was never out of position and stayed on his targets' hips. His ability to play the ball would've been tested against a better quarterback, and that's important, because he needs some bulk to play larger NFL receivers.

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108. "Florida vs. South Carolina"
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CB Janoris Jenkins, Florida (5'11, 186) -- It's bandwagon time! I didn't plan on watching him intently this game, but once again he holds his own against *another* bigger, stronger, NFL first-rounder. The nullified interception was stupid -- mediocre throw or not, that was Jenkins snatching it from one of the best jump-ball receivers in the nation. He got beat on two fades later in the game (couldn't find the ball) and South Carolina didn't need to pass much in the second half, but still...it was Jeffery's lowest yardage total of the season.

OLB/DE Cliff Matthews, South Carolina (6'4, 268) -- Boring to watch. He's top-heavy, with a big upper body but thin arms and legs. Asked to drop in coverage a lot, mostly to redirect crossers and cover backs releasing to flat, although I wouldn't say he excels in the open field. Has problems ripping free of linemen and can't overwhelm tackles with pure power or speed.

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109. "Maryland vs. Virginia "
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WR Torrey Smith, Maryland (6'1, 200) -- Monster game (seven catches for 157 yards, TD) after dealing with an ankle injury for the last several weeks. Acceleration is *really* dope and he's a bitch to jam because of how quick he gears up. Separated on deep routes pretty much at will, while making some nice over-the-head catches. Compact runner who cuts at full speed and scares defenses on simple quick screens. Also a premier kick returner.

CB Chase Minnifield, Virginia (6'0, 185) -- It got ugly out there. Couldn't run with Smith and even got beat deep by a few other Maryland receivers. He's a good player in short area zone: closes ground quickly when attacking the flat, has very good ball skills (six interceptions) and tackles well. But he definitely needs two-high protection in man and worries you in quarters or cover three.

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112. "Have you had a chance to watch Cal at all?"
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The only four players that have a chance to get drafted are CB Darian Hagan, RB Shane Vereen, DE Cameron Jordan, and ILB Mike Mohammed.

Really of the four the only sure things are Vereen and Jordan. Vereen in a redshirt Junior but I believe he leaves early. I think Mohammed has a future on special teams and could develop down the line as a starter or at the very least a good back up player.

  

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113. "got them penciled in for The Big Game on Versus this weekend."
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mostly to check out Jordan and Vereen, but I'll watch the other two if you think they can catch on. I did catch most of the Oregon game, but that was more for entertainment purposes.

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114. "Yeah Vereen and Jordan are our biggest prospects"
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Mohammed,(#18) like I said will have to make it as a special teamer at first. He has a broken thumb and is wearing a cast, plus he has been a bit slowed by an ankle injury he suffered against Colorado but he is still a good player.

Hagan was injured against Oregon (#26) but I believe he will be healthy enough to play against the furd, how much he plays, I do not know. Anyways, he had a great sophomore season, slumped his junior year and is playing much better this season. He has good size but I am not sure what his speed is.

Another player is Chris Conte (#17) who we just converted to from CB to safety. I thought he was too slow and stiff in the hips for CB and had my doubts whether he could make the conversion to safety but he has actually surpassed my expectations.

Lastly, our nose tackle Hill (#76) is a good player when healthy, only thing is he has had shoulder issues just about his whole career. He was the player who caused the fumble against Thomas and scored the TD.

  

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115. "Texas vs. Oklahoma State"
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CB Aaron Williams, Texas (6'1, 195) -- The long touchdown he gave up to Blackmon was actually excellent coverage -- he had inside position, ran with him stride-for-stride, used the sideline as a defender and made a pretty good play on the ball -- he just got beat by a perfect pass.

I'm not crazy about his backpedal; I think he gets too high and doesn't always drive on the ball out of his breaks (when Blackmon dropped a touchdown on a slant, he was *way* late on that inside route...especially near the goal-line). Still, he can turn and run with most anybody, and has long, pass-breaking-up arms. If he can correct a few technique flaws and add 10 pounds for run support...

CB Curtis Brown, Texas (6'0, 185) -- Hips are questionable. He got spun around repeatedly in this game, put his weight on the wrong foot, and looked sloppy when coming out of his slide step and backpedal. To be fair, he wasn't always helped out by his teammates: First half, Brown lines up tight on Blackmon with outside leverage. The nickel corner was supposed to bracket Blackmon, yet he just floats to a sideline zone after the snap and covers nobody. Blackmon is wide-open on a post for 30 yards -- because Brown gave up an inside release and didn't get any inside help!

WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State (6'1, 207) -- I underestimated his speed. He's not a pure deep threat in that he lines up and runs past everyone, but he chews up yardage with his explosive stride and wins almost every jump ball. Dropped the aforementioned touchdown in this game; despite his amazing hands in traffic, he can lose concentration on the easy ones. However, you can tell he's improving almost by the week: stemming routes, crossing defensive backs no matter which way they shade him, etc. The fact this is his first year as a starter is remarkable.

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118. "Fresno State vs. Nevada"
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OLB Chris Carter, Fresno State (6'2, 240) -- Playing out of position as an end. He got some decent pressure at times, but lacks that explosive first step to turn offensive tackles. Nevada ran a lot of zone read, so he often didn't have a play to make, but still whiffed on Kaepernick a couple times despite having an angle.

QB Colin Kaepernick, Nevada (6'6, 225) -- Excellent height, running threat (pulled away from linebackers; split safeties) and has room to add a lot muscle. Good arm and very relaxed in the pocket, maybe too much so at times (he can forget to use his lower body when throwing).

His accuracy has shot up a ton this season and should continue to improve as he refines his mechanics. He does tend to stare down targets: His interception at the goal-line was a pretty bad play, and he couldn't look off the corner when trying to hit a smash route against cover two zone. Overall, I see a guy with the frame and arm to play in the NFL, along with the bonus of mobility and a track record of improvement year-to-year. Good prospect to groom if you already have a starter in place.

OLB Dontay Moch, Nevada (6'1, 245) -- His 40 times would make Bud Foster proud (4.19, hilarious!) but for a hybrid player at the college level, I like him much more as a stand-up linebacker. A little tentative in coverage ("...must run to that exact spot on the field...") but looks the part when he's strictly chasing and mauling people. Limited, size-wise, with his hand down although he makes the most of his athleticism. Between the two, he seemed more like a NFL linebacker than Carter.

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119. "Temple vs. Ohio"
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DT Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple (6'5, 305) -- Why do defensive tackles wear single digit numbers? The freedom of collegiate numbering gone wrong. Anyway, he played a lot of defensive end this game (Owls run a 3-4) and looked just OK out there -- his height became a detriment and he ended up trailing a lot of plays.

When he moved inside, however, Ohio could NOT block his ass. At all. He took the guard, center *and* running back with him on one pass play. Later at the goal-line, he was in the backfield during the handoff and needed to be tackled by the pulling guard. Solid effort, too, chasing from the backside and fighting through traffic all night long (I presume he just likes hitting people). Defensive line is superbly deep this draft.

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120. "Iowa vs. Ohio State"
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DL Christian Ballard, Iowa (6'4, 298) -- Some are listing him above Clayborn now. I'm not sure about that, but he gave Ohio State's Shugarts all he could handle. He runs very well for a lineman his size and has an excellent combination of power and speed. Though he lined up at tackle and end, I think he's a bit more disruptive on the outside (contrary to what's written above...I got him confused with Binns for half the Arizona game).

OT Mike Adams, Ohio State (6'8, 300) -- He had serious problems with Clayborn's lateral quickness, getting juked out of position on several pass rushes. Straight ahead run blocking, he was good -- leverage and pad level is improving -- but outside plays exposed his footwork against a faster Clayborn. Still a work in progress.

WR Dane Sanzebacher, Ohio State (5'11, 182) -- While Posey outdoes himself with new low points in big games, this guy has been a pleasant surprise to me. He dropped one himself in this game, but I've seen him routinely snare tough throws from his not-so-accurate quarterback. He's short and skinny, however, and probably won't time fast enough to be more than a late round flier.

OLB Ross Homan, Ohio State (6'0, 227) -- He has trouble in traffic. Double-occupies run gaps and doesn't have great closing speed from sideline to sideline. Also a bit unsure in pass coverage; his steps are choppy and he can get in a panic when attacked vertically by tight ends and backs.

ILB Brian Rolle, Ohio State (5'10, 218) -- I love how this kid plays. Super instinctive, excellent pass drops, solid tackler, and he has this sort of reverse Jacquizz Rodgers deal where he hides behind his defensive linemen and sneaks into the running lane. He's a pain for linemen to target and sheds blocks pretty well. It's too bad he's tiny for a middle backer.

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128. "sanzanbacher>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hartline"
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i get it, he's 2 inches shorter but still....dude is one tough mf'er and catches EVERYTHING. that was the only drop i can remember from this year.

  

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121. "Cal vs. Stanford"
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RB Shane Vereen, Cal (5'10, 204) -- He's not exactly thin, but also not as stocky as I remember him from last season. This is relevant because he's not a big tackle-breaker. His pass protection is a bit soft as well; he doesn't have a strong base and gets pushed back into the pocket. Otherwise he's a quick, darting runner who runs low and gets hidden yards. Decent to good receiver -- the numbers look solid but I thought he gave up on some routes against Stanford.

DE Cameron Jordan, Cal (6'4, 283) -- Athleticism and work rate are pluses. Hard to move in the run game; at worst he holds his ground and can dominate on stretch runs to his side. Attacks linemen with a variety of pass rush techniques but doesn't use his long arms as well as he could. Wastes time disengaging blocks (I'd like to see a stronger rip move) and gets stuck in no man's land when he doesn't beat his man off his first move. Although a step below the elite defensive ends in this class, he's still an excellent fit for teams with 3-4 defenses.

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122. "Baylor vs. Oklahoma"
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DT Phil Taylor, Baylor (6'4, 355) -- Glimpses of greatness. Glimpses. It's a little unfair to judge defensive tackles solely by their performance against Oklahoma -- all those three-step drops, the quick screens, no huddle, etc. And in the first half, he didn't leave much of an imprint. The second half, however, he dominated. Finally got some penetration when the Sooners ran between the tackles, and even knifed through on a couple passing plays. Nose tackle size but he has some skills for one-gap schemes as well. Weight might be a concern -- he looks borderline overweight -- and his past transgressions at Penn State could move him down draft boards.

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123. "Texas vs. Texas A&M"
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CB Aaron Williams, Texas (6'1, 195) -- I really want to overlook some of his flaws because he's a potentially great prospect, but the way he defended two long throws were unexplainable. The first, he did a full body leap 10 yards before the ball was even catchable. The second, he stopped dead in his tracks and the receiver ran by him -- he just dropped it. Can this guy track deep passes? That's you know, kind of important in the NFL.

WR Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M (6'4, 215) -- Nothing changed about my previous opinion: dominates 50/50 jump balls, has great body control for his size, and his separation ability is seriously in question. Both of Texas' top corners were draped on his hip all night, and the one touchdown he caught was against a safety at the goal-line (A question of strategy reserved for lifetime coordinator Will Muschamp).

OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M (6'3, 240) -- The best edge rusher in the nation. Now, there are several defensive ends that I'd take over him and that doesn't make him the best outside linebacker (although in this year's mediocre group, he might very well be). Just as a pass rusher though, his phenomenal first step (it's like he's the only one with a turbo button) and surprising strength (he can walk back 300-pound tackles) make him almost unblockable. Watch him on inside stunts -- he's so fast he literally runs through a double-team block by the guard and center!

Sure, he's only a serviceable run defender and the Aggies' coaching staff protects his snap count. But his ability to pressure quarterbacks is what defensive coordinators dream about.

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124. "Pittsburgh vs. West Virginia"
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WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh (6'5, 220) -- The deep ball he caught was ridiculous; one-armed against tight coverage (although he was using the other arm to subtly push off). Still growing into a complete receiver, but his best talents (height-speed combination, catching in traffic) are always coveted. And as much as Pitt's quarterbacking has hurt his numbers, the bonus for NFL teams is that he should be quite the value pick in a loaded receiver class.

DE Julian Miller, West Virginia (6'6, 285) -- The median of 3-4 defensive end prospects. He's the right size, holds his gap and won't get run over, plays unselfishly and is rather high-effort. He's also not that fast, he doesn't use his wingspan to its potential and his best pass rush move is the five-second coverage sack. Quality reserve and a spot starter in a pinch.

CB Brandon Hogan, West Virginia (5'10, 188) -- A little undersized and has played a little under his ability this season. The interception was a smart play against a struggling quarterback, and he didn't make any glaring mistakes when covering Baldwin for most of the game. I'd feel OK taking him as a nickel corner, and those guys are practically starters in the NFL anyway.

S Robert Sands, West Virginia (6'5, 221) -- Vicious hitter who loves contact. He's in the box a lot since West Virginia starts three safeties, and often his first instinct is to play the run -- which can be exploited by better passing teams. as well as Pitt, who caught him at the goal-line for a touchdown and attacked his side of the field when he lined up high. Has some risk in that his college play doesn't always match his impressive size and speed, but that also means his upside is at the professional level, too.

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125. "Alabama vs. Auburn"
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QB Cameron Newton, Auburn (6'6, 250) -- Auburn has had to fight for *a lot* of their wins this season, and this was their biggest one yet -- on the road, down three scores against their biggest rival, BCS championship appearance on the line. What elevates Newton as a player is that he embraces these situations; he prides himself on putting the team on his back. It's the leadership you want from a quarterback.

That being said, this game was far from perfect for Newton. He still has all sorts of passing quirks: constantly throwing off his back foot, throwing across his body, doing both on rollouts, etc. He held onto the ball for too long in the first half, despite the fact Alabama only gets real pressure when they blitz. And his second touchdown would've been an interception had Barron not been playing with one arm.

Still, there are plenty of plays that show what he could be. The first touchdown was big-time: finding the right match-up (safety in man over the slot), using (self) play-action to move the single high safety, and a perfect throw. He smartly settled for more check-downs after half-time and extended drives. And that laser to Adams on fourth down took talent *and* balls.

DT Nick Fairley, Auburn (6'5, 298) -- I criticized him earlier this season for trying to be a one-gap nose tackle, but he's clearly settled in as a (at times) dominant three-technique. He tends to wear down linemen as the game progresses, making them work harder and harder before breaking them with a drive-killing sack or run penetration. Excellent quickness and burst for his size. Definitely has a mean streak to him as well, verging almost past that sometimes.

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127. "Fairley seems a tad too finesse to me. I smell bust."
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>QB Cameron Newton, Auburn (6'6, 250) -- Auburn has had to
>fight for *a lot* of their wins this season, and this was
>their biggest one yet -- on the road, down three scores
>against their biggest rival, BCS championship appearance on
>the line. What elevates Newton as a player is that he embraces
>these situations; he prides himself on putting the team on his
>back. It's the leadership you want from a quarterback.

You ain't gotta start out like this. If you want to shit on him,
just do it Will...niggas trust you

LOL

>That being said, this game was far from perfect for Newton. He
>still has all sorts of passing quirks: constantly throwing off
>his back foot, throwing across his body, doing both on
>rollouts, etc. He held onto the ball for too long in the first
>half, despite the fact Alabama only gets real pressure when
>they blitz. And his second touchdown would've been an
>interception had Barron not been playing with one arm.


Yeah, getting by on natural gifts. Still, watching
Terrell Pryor makes me realize how good a prospect
Cam is (lol):

a) He doesn't stare down receivers

b) Decision making is actually good for someone
so raw...how many "oh, fuck, serious?" moments
has Cam had at Auburn? Very, very, few.

c) Easily has pro zip on just about every
throw. He hasn't had to throw the deep ball
much, since his receivers aren't ever open

d) Doesn't get rattled, at all. Has pretty much
laughed off distractions and ethered everyone.
You have to love that in a QB. That comeback
was serious Drew Brees at Purdue swag



I think the Newton question is this:

Is he more Ryan Perriloux or Ben Rothlisberger?

Ben had started far more than Newton at Miami(OH),
against competition about 1/2 as good as what Newton
has had to in his FIRST season starting

Perriloux had alllll the pro gifts, but is a fucking
dumbass who never worked on his game and regressed
and sulked (I still say we'll see Perriloux at some
point in the pros, but not for a minute)


>DT Nick Fairley, Auburn (6'5, 298) -- I criticized him earlier
>this season for trying to be a one-gap nose tackle, but he's
>clearly settled in as a (at times) dominant three-technique.
>He tends to wear down linemen as the game progresses, making
>them work harder and harder before breaking them with a
>drive-killing sack or run penetration. Excellent quickness and
>burst for his size. Definitely has a mean streak to him as
>well, verging almost past that sometimes.

He still seems like the fat nigga who tries to beg coach
to play fullback to me

Too many swim movies to me. Picks sides a lot instead
of taking on the blocker and fucking him up.

Seriously -- compare that to Suh last year, who would
fuck up weak niggers and run past slow niggas...Suh
tailored his ether to the lineman he was facing

Fairley seems like a 4-3 DT and won't fit in anywhere else

Haloti Ngata was the other extreme -- knew what he was.
Gets down and fucks lineman up, eats blockers, spits
them out


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129. "well, I *did* upgrade Newton above back-up status."
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Fairley, it depends on how high he's taken. In the first quarter Alabama made him almost invisible at times, with just single blocking to boot. Of course whenever I want to write him off he does something obscene -- like cut through the entire offensive line and nearly take the handoff.

He's definitely a pure three-tech for a 4-3 team (he could also play end in some defenses, but I don't trust him to play two gaps or hold contain). And comparatively, I think Nevis from LSU is more consistently disruptive playing the same position.

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130. "Newton seems to be a better athlete than Ben"
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and otherwise practically identical to him. However, like you said, Ben spent more time playing + spent even more of that time being a pocket passer in college.

Maybe a weaker arm coming out of college--ben had a HOWITZER coming out of college. Newton's arm won't be a "plus" but it's more than fine.

I wonder if Newton needs a year as an apprentice to fix some of those mistakes or if he needs to be thrown in as the #1 QB so he can learn to fix those mistakes in game time.


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131. "i dunno, ben did a lot with his mobility/athleticism at miami"
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granted it was against MAC athletes for the most part, but it's not at all like he was a peyton manning statue in the pocket.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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132. "no doubt, but it was still a lot less than Newton"
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and, like you said, against worse competition. he had 120 rushes his first year as a starter in college (and it went down after that. I'm guessing a lot of those were scrambles). Newton's already at 220.

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134. "wtf?"
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>Maybe a weaker arm coming out of college--ben had a HOWITZER
>coming out of college. Newton's arm won't be a "plus" but it's
>more than fine.

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136. "did i stutter? ben's arm was insane in college"
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coming out of college, descriptions of him routinely included lines about being " Big-armed." newton's arm is strong enough to make any throw, but ben's arm coming out of college was stronger than most prospects, including newton's.

newton's arm strength is very good, but it ain't ben's. that's like saying a qb prospect's game management is good, but it isn't Brady's. it's not much of a slight, it's just adjusting the comparison.

some of that might be newton's mechanics are less solid than ben's (more often throwing without his feet properly set, due to auburn's offense), but it's what i see. *shrug*
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138. "Newton's arm is very, very, strong. "
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So strong that at that stage, its largely
a wash and it doesn't matter.

When it comes to arm strength, your arm is
either NFL strong, or not.

After that, its sort of diminishing returns.

Sure, Michael Vick/Brady/McNabb/Roth deep ball
ability is reserved for only certain types of
arm strength, but you hardly need it. Look at
Drew Brees' arm....clearly weaker than Newton's



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126. "Nebraska vs. Colorado"
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OT Nate Solder, Colorado (6'9, 315) -- For a converted tight end, I thought he looked quite stiff. His footwork also falls apart against better rushers -- he'll abandon his steps and end up running after the defensive end. It's kind of funny; he looks like he's racing to sack his own quarterback. His punch is weak (happens a lot with these long-armed tackles), he's a bit slow off the snap and tends to grab. His run blocking was the most impressive part of his game, surprisingly good drive blocks and solid angles. He'll get drafted off size and position premium, but temper expectations.

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133. "Denarious Moore from Tennessee has made himself a lot of money"
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He's exploded this year. He's the first guy in Tennessee history to have two 200+ yard receiving games in a career.....and he's had both of them in the past month. He's got good size, speed, and hands. Great deep threat. He might sneak into the first couple of rounds.

  

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135. "I still found that hard to believe during the broadcast."
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>He's the first guy in Tennessee
>history to have two 200+ yard receiving games in a
>career

I hope he does well (I think he'll test nicely). although receiver is so deep this year, he'll have a harder time moving up. too bad him and Gerald Jones couldn't come back for another season with Bray.

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137. "RE: I still found that hard to believe during the broadcast."
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too bad him and Gerald Jones couldn't come back for
>another season with Bray.
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I know, man. They could really put up some crazy numbers together under Cheney. I wish one of them could have redshirted as a freshman.

  

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140. "Nevada vs. Boise State"
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QB Kellen Moore, Boise State (6’0, 190) -- A homeless man's Drew Brees. I've always admired the way he's mastered that system and his accuracy is extremely impressive. The big flaw is his arm strength, which actually looked improved in this game -- he threw a 30-yard dart to Pettis between three defenders, along with a few decent deep passes to Young. He's not getting any bigger though, and he's also left-handed, which could cause some minor issues if your right tackle is a statue. He won't declare until he’s eligibility is up, and will probably be no more than a late rounder or priority free agent.

WR Titus Young, Boise State (5'11, 170) -- He's got an extra gear that Pettis lacks. What kills him is the slender build, which is not starter-quality. His hands were inconsistent -- he caught two beautiful deep passes, and let two more go straight through his hands. His draft chances will depend on how fast he can time.

DT Billy Winn, Boise State (6'4, 288) -- This guy has jumped out at me during Boise games this year. When he's on, he's very hard to move out of running lanes, necessitates double teams on every snap and bulls his way into the backfield consistently. Nevada wasn't one of his better games, however. He disappeared for long stretches and was neutralized on passing plays. He still gets a lot of double teams on runs and is a pain in the ass to wall off, so there's some potential here if he keeps on improving.

S Jeron Johnson, Boise State (5'10, 195) -- Undersized for the position and possibly lacks the cover speed necessary as well. Played shallow for most of the game...reminds me of how Rutgers uses Joe Lefeged (another smaller safety). I'm assuming he's a decent tackler, because he looked bad on the reverse and a few Kaepernick runs. Likely a special teamer / back-up.

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141. "New Mexico State vs. Hawaii"
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WR Greg Salas, Hawaii (6'2, 210) -- I'm used to assuming Hawaii's receivers are all undersized, Davon Bess types, so seeing him line up was a nice surprise. Great body control and awareness of his position on the field, solid hands, and impressive ability to gain yards after the catch. Sure it's the WAC, but you can tell his strength and running skills will translate. He's built to play as a flanker or split end, although he's made his living as an insider receiver the last few years (which was kind of disappointing in this case, because he never was covered by Davon House).

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142. "Arkansas vs. LSU"
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QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (6'6, 238) -- More of the same from everyone's favorite lanky gunslinger. Both his interceptions were completely his fault (he had tons of time to throw). The first was poor placement -- the corner had perfect inside coverage, so the only place you can put that pass is over the receiver's outside shoulder to the sideline (or back shoulder fade). Mallett, of course, threw it on a direct line and into the corner's hands. The second pick, he was late on a deep crossing route and the corner undercut it.

What bothers me a lot is the fact he keeps turning over the ball in the red-zone. Not that there's ever a good time for an interception, but those are killers you can't have from an upperclassmen. He also still has a bit of trouble moving in the pocket -- very awkward because of his height and he doesn't always step up well. The positives? He still makes throws that a lot of people can't. The first touchdown was a brilliant pass, needled perfectly in a hole in zone. His accuracy is better, his footwork better...he's definitely improved. But there is still a long way to go.

DT Drake Nevis, LSU (6'2, 287) -- Always dominating whenever I watch him (he absolutely destroyed Alabama). Although he lines up at nose tackle a lot, he's really a classic three-technique. He uses his hands superbly, and might have the best rip move in the country. Insanely quick off the ball -- splits double teams with pure quickness -- and his penetration is a major headache when trying to run. Bonus points for getting after it non-stop (although you'd imagine all defenders would play as hard).

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143. "Georgia vs. Georgia Tech"
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OLB/DE Justin Houston, Georgia (6'3, 259) -- An unusual tweener. He's not all that fluid in space, looking a bit uncomfortable even. Yet when he drops down on the line, it's not like he transforms into an unbelievable pass rusher who jumps out at you, either. Those aesthetics aside, he does lead the SEC in sacks and I believe he's strong enough to play end full-time.

ILB Akeem Dent, Georgia (6'2, 228) -- Tackling machine and very stout at the point of the attack. Has some trouble breaking down and squaring up ball-carriers when moving laterally, and he can get lost in traffic sometimes. Two-down linebacker.

CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia (5'10, 183) -- Profiles as a team's fourth cornerback. Obviously wasn't in pass coverage for most of this game, and he's a frightening run defender for his own defense. Regardless, he's one of the best kick returners in the country and will get drafted purely off that. It's not even that he has uncatchable speed, either -- he's just very, very smart at using his blocks and is a bitch to tackle. Allen Rossum, maybe?

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148. "what kind of a read do you get on A. Allen?"
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dude has kinda short legs and low top end speed, but it doesnt take him very long to get there

a big bowl win gives him more yards than Dwyer had in 08 or 09

  

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149. "it's above...Virginia Tech game"
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not dynamic and limited by his speed, as you said. possible fullback and / or change of pace short yardage guy.

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144. "Ole Miss vs. Mississippi State"
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DT Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss (6'2, 340) -- Huge bodied nose tackle who'll eat up blockers. Has a little burst near the line of scrimmage -- not super explosive, but he can get some penetration here and there. Otherwise, his pass rush skills are mostly non-existent and he can play too high. Nothing spectacular here, just a really large human who will be tasked to occupy space.

DT Ted Laurent, Ole Miss (6'0, 303) -- Quite similar to Powe, except not as quick. Pretty much everything else is applicable, however, and he'll be taken later in the draft to fill the same role.

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145. "Arizona vs. Arizona State"
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DT Lawrence Guy, Arizona State (6'5, 300) -- Two-gap tackle who plays with solid leverage and reasonable strength. Not a pass-rusher though, and he struggles to disengage blocks. His athleticism is also average and he's stiff in pursuit. He's got a large frame but looked a little soft -- like he gained more fat than muscle. A solid, run-stopping lineman who projects better as a five-technique end.

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146. "Oregon State vs. Oregon"
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RB Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State (5'7, 191) -- I love watching him and his brother play. Way tougher than he should be and just a pure football player. He's a quality receiver and runs inside better than a lot of backs do, but he doesn't have a resume returning kicks or punts (unlike Sproles or Leon Washington). He needs to break 4.50 in the 40 and I wouldn't be surprised if he was closer to 5'6 and 185, either -- although he does have a year left in school. Likely a priority UFA right now.

DT Stephen Paea, Oregon State (6'1, 311) -- Hard to believe he's over 300 pounds. Short and squatty -- his main game is power. Height and arm length are concerns: they're good for leverage and punch, but bigger offensive linemen can hook him and tie up his hands. I can't really see him as a traditional nose tackle and he's not a big pass rusher...probably fits in best in a 4-3 under front.

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147. "UCLA vs. USC"
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OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA (6'4, 255) -- He seemingly has all the tools, yet I've never see him make a huge impact during games. He's always *this* close to making a big play. Sometimes he sheds blocks with ease, other times he gets lost in the crowd. Has some pass rush ability but needs refinement; tackles know he relies on speed and push him out of the frame. He had a chance to cement himself in the top 15, but now...I don't know. It helps him that this is not a great outside linebacker class.

FB Stanley Havili, USC (6'1, 225) -- Blocking-wise, he'll always be limited by his size but can be solid when he wants to be. Problems arise when he goes to the "flying shoulder-charge", which a lot of NFL defenders can just shrug off. Superb hands and run after the catch ability for his position. Not a classic lead blocker, though he can be used creatively in split back formations.

OT Tyron Smith, USC (6'5, 280) -- Athletically, he's impressive. Blocks well on the move, attacking the second and third levels of a defense, and his tremendous wingspan gives him a great weapon in pass protection. Needs to add bulk and is very rough around the edges...he's getting by on natural ability right now. Starts on the right side for USC, so he'd have to adjust his footwork some at the next level. He may declare this season -- despite his flaws, he'd be one of the better prospects in a very weak offensive tackle class.

WR Ronald Johnson, USC (6'0, 185) -- Slot receiver who's faster and drops more passes than most. Has shown problems adjusting to the ball and his unimposing physique gets him pushed around. This is a fantastic year for receivers; he'll have a hard time distinguishing himself.

DT Jurrell Casey, USC (6'1, 305) -- I've soured on him. Doesn't use his hands well and gets stuck in neutral on far too many plays. The instances in which he appears to dominate often come on missed assignments by the offensive line, not his own skill. He's got a year left, and he'd be a much better lineman by studying under Orgeron for another season.

OLB Malcolm Smith, USC (6'1, 225) -- Very impressive; he makes a ton of plays inside the box. Great tackler who sheds and scrapes blockers with authority. Also an excellent blitzer through the inside gaps (his leverage use is insane). The negatives are size and intuition in pass coverage, but his aggressiveness and instincts near the line of scrimmage are definitely NFL-worthy.

OLB Michael Morgan, USC (6'4, 220) -- Kiffin uses him to cover slot receivers out of his base defense, and Morgan shows capable skill when defending the pass (even downfield). Lanky player who can get crossed up in tight spaces. Doesn't stand out when defending the run -- his technique is OK, but he lacks strength and often ends up as a bystander.

CB Shareece Wright, USC (5'11, 185) -- A back-up type. UCLA is not a real passing threat, although he did have his problems against Michael Floyd the week before. Fluid in coverage, but not explosive -- he loses receivers out of their breaks and down the field. Doesn't play the ball consistently and his run support is uh, not quite mediocre*. Has some immaturity issues that won't help his draft stock during evaluations.

* USC's secondary is flat-out awful this season. Their safeties take the worst angles and are probably responsible for half the big plays allowed.

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150. "Big XII Championship: Nebraska vs. Oklahoma"
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DT Jared Crick, Nebraska (6'6, 285) -- Actually put together a great game, especially when Oklahoma was dumb enough to leave him single-blocked on deep pass routes. While the pressure and sacks were nice, I'm still not entirely on board: His feet stop when doubled and leverage remains a issue when holding the point in the run game. A junior who needs more experience and weight.

DE Pierre Allen, Nebraska (6'4, 265) -- One-speed player who can't close the deal when he gets near the quarterback. Lacks a pass rush repertoire, is decent against the run but not an anchor...you can get guys like this in the fifth round every year.

OLB Lavonte David, Nebraska (6'1, 210) -- I gave him a lot of shit after the Texas game (then again, which Husker *didn't* play awful in that one) and it's apparent he lurks on OKP. Taking on blocks with much more authority now, and does a great job flowing through traffic. His pass coverage remains a bit mystifying -- he has the body swivel and cover speed, is often in the right position, yet Oklahoma still completed a lot of passes on him.

CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska (6'1, 200) -- Wait, was that Oklahoma's third-best receiver beating him in man coverage on the go-ahead scoring drive? Surely the all-world corner did not allow Cameron Kenney to gain 38 of the Sooners' 55 yards, convert a fourth down and set up the winning field goal, did he?

DB Eric Hagg, Nebraska (6'2, 210) -- He just played the best slot receiver in the country to a draw. Like I wrote before, I love the fact he can play three positions in a nickel package: He's got the height to match up on the outside, cover skills to stay with inside receivers and the size and tackling ability to move to safety.

DE Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma (6'3, 267) -- I'm still trying to figure out what this guy does best. He's not a superb athlete for his size (Oklahoma stood him up to play Nebraska's option...mixed results). Not especially fast or strong. He *is* quite tenacious, and a lot of his best plays and most sacks come from second effort (refuses to be cut blocked). I suppose that's something. But not enough to pass the studs at defensive end this draft.

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151. "Eastern Washington vs. Villanova"
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OT Benjamin Ijalana, Villanova (6'4, 320) -- A lot of people love him at guard, but I think he should be given a chance to stay at tackle first. He has good drops in pass protection, long arms and picks up stunts well. I'd say his run-blocking is average -- he blocks like a tackle, not a blow-off-the-ball guard -- so I'm not sure moving inside would be an instant success. One trouble that stood out was when linemen faked a first move; he'd often freeze and couldn't slide his feet well enough to recover.

WR Matt Szczur, Villanova (5'11, 205) -- Very quiet game after tearing up Appalachian State the week before. Took a lot of direct snaps and showed OK running ability; tough, and made some people miss, but lacked standout acceleration or agility. Not heavily involved in the passing game and missed most of the second half with a concussion. End of the bench receiver who will need a great combine to be taken before round seven.

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152. "Delaware vs. Georgia Southern"
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QB Pat Devlin, Delaware (6'3, 222) -- Transfer from Penn State. He's got decent size, and built well enough for NFL standards. His accuracy is generally excellent -- he throws a nice, tight spiral with great placement. Goes through his progressions with patience and doesn't force the ball. However, his release is slow and his arm strength is questionable...it seemed to take a *long* time for some passes to reach their target. Worth a developmental pick, but no Flacco.

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153. "New Mexico Bowl: UTEP vs. BYU"
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WR Kris Adams, UTEP (6'3, 195) -- Tall, skinny receiver; all arms and legs. He basically runs the Randy Moss route tree -- "go deep" mixed in with lazy crossing routes -- and torched BYU for three touchdowns, averaging over 50 yards per score (he did drop an easy fourth touchdown). Limited in all other aspects, but his one strength he does very, very well. Combine times could be critical here, although I think he's a natural deep threat who runs faster on the field. Intriguing prospect after the big-name receivers come off the board.

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154. "New Orleans Bowl: Troy vs. Ohio"
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WR Jerrel Jernigan, Troy (5'9, 190) -- His agility and balance are out of control. Almost never lets the first defender tackle him, showing great explosion after the catch, and has solid hands. Size isn't an issue because he profiles as a slot receiver. He did turn his ankle badly in the fourth quarter; hopefully it's nothing major. I like this guy a ton.

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155. "Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl: Louisville vs. Southern Miss"
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RB Bilal Powell, Louisville (6'0, 215) -- I like how he runs. Quick feet, excellent body lean, and gets yards after contact. Also a good receiver out of the backfield. Great production this season, with the caveat that he came out of nowhere. Has some back-up potential and should get a decent look in the mid to late portion of the draft -- this year's running back group is not inspiring.

TE Cameron Graham, Louisville (6'4, 253) -- Not particularly athletic, big or fast...but he's got steady hands and adjusted to passes well. Blocking is mediocre and Louisville used him more as a h-back than on the line of scrimmage. Tight end is another class that's pretty wack this year, so some marginal prospects might see a bump.

CB Johnny Patrick, Louisville (6'0, 190) -- Looked fairly solid in man coverage; he has the quickness to turn and run with most receivers. Ball skills, however, were a weakness. Made some big hits but an inconsistent tackler. Not someone I'd count on to be a starter, but he rounds out a depth chart, and could be better than that with some more coaching.

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156. "Las Vegas Bowl: Boise State vs. Utah"
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CB Brandon Burton, Utah (6'0, 185) -- Adequate size (probably closer to 5'11) and speed, with some continued issues in technique: high backpedal, over-commits and doesn't find the ball well. I'm assuming lesser teams (Mountain West) don't test him as much during the season or can't exploit his weaknesses, because he's looked average to poor against Notre Dame (Michael Floyd), TCU and now Boise State. Not the second round stud he's proclaimed to be, but worth developing. Could be much better down the line.

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157. "Hawaii Bowl: Hawaii vs. Tulsa"
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WR Greg Salas, Hawaii (6'2, 210) -- Didn't plan on mentioning him since he's already been covered, but I had to post something after that circus. Very strong hands (triple-teamed jump ball FTW) -- surpassing "solid" -- and he continues to inflict pain after the catch. Possession receiver size, with the routes of a slot guy and ball skills of a deep threat. *Plus* he was talking shit the whole game.

WR Damaris Johnson, Tulsa (5'8, 172) -- Very small, very dangerous. He's not so much track fast as just ridiculously quick; his cuts are all at full speed. Would help most teams immediately on punts and kickoffs, more so the former. An intriguing all-purpose receiver but I doubt the junior declares -- he's a career part-timer in the NFL because of size.

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158. "Champ Sports Bowl: NC State vs. West Virginia"
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QB Russell Wilson, NC State (5'11, 201) -- He's short, shorter probably than listed. His arm strength is average. And he's had a level four case of funballs ever since bshelly made that curse post. I really don't think it does him good to leave early, and there’s that baseball thing he's got going on as well. While I'm impressed with his short and mid-range accuracy, his other measurables put the chances of starting in the NFL stacked against him.

TE George Bryan, NC State (6'5, 265) -- Not a big fan. Slow moving and deliberate with his routes -- he's got some nice tricks (head fakes, body positioning) and the size to get open, but a very limited athlete and passive blocker. Soft hands though, and could be a good red-zone weapon if not a starter.

WR Owen Spencer, NC State (6'3, 185) -- Wiry, non-descript receiver who will flirt with practice squads. Good height, long arms, average hands: He'll make some great catches, then flub easy ones.

OLB Nate Irving, NC State (6'1, 231) -- Rising weak-side prospect. Tackle machine who's at his best in traffic, either sideline to sideline or shedding blockers in the box. Smooth enough drops in coverage, though he could use some work playing the ball (especially against these monster tight ends the NFL features) and his recognition was slow on screens and crossing routes.

WR Jock Sanders, West Virginia (5'7, 179) -- More than likely a UFA who gets a shot returning kicks. Fumbling them in bowl games doesn't help his case.

DT Chris Neild, West Virginia (6'2, 301) -- He could be a contributing reserve for teams that use a nose tackle. Does his job occupying blocks in West Virginia's 3-3-5, but not overly powerful and right at the limit of NFL anchor size.

OLB Bruce Irvin, West Virginia (6'3, 235) -- Great, great first step. Big-time sack production this year and he looks like one of those players who just knows how to drop the quarterback. Mostly a speed rush guy, but he can duck back inside and throw linemen who are on their heels. Negatives? He's aided by playing half the defensive snaps, doesn't worry about the run and is rarely left in coverage. A junior, he looks like a situational 3-4 'backer at this point.

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159. "Insight Bowl: Missouri vs. Iowa"
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QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (6'5, 235) -- He was primed for huge numbers in this bowl: Iowa is stubborn about changing personnel, staying in their base 4-3 against three or four receiver sets, plus their defensive line has underperformed all year.

And while he filled up the stat book -- making a ton of impressive throws (looked like a pro working those sideline seams) -- the performance reminded me of his unchanged flaws. I still hate his habit of backing up when he throws, I still hate that he thinks a safe pocket means "no defenders within a six-yard radius," and that game-losing interception was one of the worst attempted passes of the year. Less than the sum of his parts.

DE Aldon Smith, Missouri (6'5, 260) -- The best swim move in the country! The way he tosses aside huge linemen (and he went up against a good one in Reiff, who should be a monster prospect starting next year) is amazing. Has a great punch too, using those bear claw hands and pure quickness to strike the first blow. As for his athletic talent...cmon. He's dropping 10 yards into coverage and chasing down outside zone runs from the *opposite* side of the formation.

I'm not worried about his bulk at all. He's got an awesome frame to put on weight and he sheds blockers before they can overpower him. Even now, they shift him to tackle on third downs and he handles himself just fine against the fat guys inside. Putting him at linebacker would be a waste. Despite missing half the season and having two years of eligibility left, the redshirt sophomore seems intent on declaring. One of my favorite defensive prospects.

DL Christian Ballard, Iowa (6'4, 298) -- Did I say he should stay on the outside? Um, he looked like my first car (’93 Honda Civic DX) trying to merge onto I-95 in this game: no acceleration, *painfully* slow off the snap, and routinely the last Hawkeye to break the line of scrimmage. Doesn't use his hands well -- he ends up stuck to a blocker, doing a lot of nothing. Plays top heavy too, struggling to break down and tackle. I wouldn't be surprised if he tore up the combine but I don't like him as a first rounder at all.

DE Karl Klug, Iowa (6'4, 270) -- Plays mostly as a tackle in Iowa's front. He's really an end, and a five-technique at that. Nothing that jumped out at me, just solid pressure on stunts (he's got more sacks this year than Ballard and Clayborn *combined*) and OK leverage in run support.

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160. "Military Bowl: Maryland vs. ECU"
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S/OLB Kenny Tate, Maryland (6'4, 220) -- A hybrid player most still consider a safety, to me this game was a huge endorsement for his future at weak-side linebacker. The Terps put him on the edge for long stretches, and he ended up being one of their best pass rushers. In coverage, he was very mechanical -- his steps were choppy and he didn't get low enough to explode out of his break. However, his long arms would be perfect for reach-around deflections against backs and tight ends. Plus he’s got a lot of frame left to add the requisite muscle without losing any quickness.

WR Dwayne Harris, ECU (6'0, 205) -- Solid return man and as a receiver, works best on underneath routes and quick-hitters. Doesn't have track speed, making moves like a running back after the catch -- minus the power -- to go with reliable hands. Special teamer and a fourth-receiver type.

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161. "Texas Bowl: Baylor vs. Illinois"
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RB Mikel LeShoure, Illinois (6'1, 230) -- Really went on a tear to close the season (183 yards per game, 11 TD in the final five contests), but I'd say that had a lot more to do with his shitty competition. Big, sturdily built back with quick feet. Looks fantastic when he cuts once and gets downhill, not so much when he wants to dance around people. Possesses some receiving ability, although I was surprised he doesn't break more lower body tackles. For those who want to compare him to Mendenhall, I really don't see the same kind of athleticism, burst, or long speed that the current Steeler has.

DT Corey Liuget, Illinois (6'3, 300) -- Hasn't been talked about much despite some monster games this season, including a standout performance against Ohio State. He can *really* fuck up a run play, using great leverage and long arms that double as clubs. Holds his gap well and is an unstopping, developing pass rusher. Might have a decision to make as a junior, but he could really make a name for himself for 2012 if he stays.

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162. "Alamo Bowl: Oklahoma State vs. Arizona"
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QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State (6'4, 219) -- Speculation is that he'll enter the draft. He's losing his offensive coordinator, possibly his number one receiver, and is already 27 due to baseball. I don't think his age is a crippling detriment, as it's not like he'd be picked to anchor a franchise. He'd be a developmental guy -- Tony Romo didn't play until he was 25, and there are several 28 to 30-year-olds who've stayed on as back-ups and second chance starters.

As for his actual talent, I like how he handles himself in the pocket: smooth drops, quick and consistent release, accurate, no hurriedness. And he throws one of the best deep balls I've seen all year.

WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State (6'1, 207) -- There's still holes in his game, most notably the Julio Jones-esque drops. He looks more "pads fast" than "timed fast" -- watch him pull away for last second separation on deep routes -- but that might hurt him a little during NFL testing. Still physical as hell and will bludgeon smaller corners for jump balls. Which brings me to his most equitable NFL comparison: Anquan Boldin.

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171. "Blackmon seems like a likely Jaguars first round pick."
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(if he makes it to them, which most projections say he should)

I'd love a young Anquan Boldin. We haven't had anyone even within a mile of Boldin status since the days of Jimmy Smith.

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163. "Armed Forces Bowl: SMU vs. Army"
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WR Aldrick Robinson, SMU (5'10, 178) -- So many fast, undersized, multi-purpose receivers to choose from this year. And I mean that in a good way.

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164. "Music City Bowl: Tennessee vs. UNC"
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TE Luke Stocker, Tennessee (6'6, 253) -- He looks like he could walk on a NFL field tomorrow, but rarely played up to his physical image. You can put a significant blame on Tennessee's offenses, which didn’t feature tight ends much, but I think he could've done more himself. Like not let a pass bounce off his chest and get intercepted in the bowl game. But that's just me. I'm sure whatever team drafts him will get a better pro than he was a collegian.

WR Denarius Moore, Tennessee (6'1, 194) -- Primarily a deep threat, he's a one-speed player who adjusts to the ball well. His hands aren't exceptional, they're not a weakness, they're just good enough. Went on a rampage after Tennessee switched quarterbacks, going from a UFA to probably the later rounds.

DT Quinton Coples, UNC (6'6, 275) -- He's quick enough to play on the edge of a NFL line, or could just add weight (great frame) and stay inside. Plays compact, a great thing to witness for a tall guy, and refuses to be moved in the running game. His pass rush repertoire is somewhat limited, but he still ended up with 10 sacks using straight-up power. While a UNC d-line that included Robert Quinn and Marvin Austin would've been scary to watch, I think their absence helped Coples' game grow. He was forced to take on the bulk of double teams and still thrived.

ILB Quan Sturdivant, UNC (6'2, 230) -- Looks like an All-American between the tackles. Doesn't slide as well as you'd like, and his effectiveness wanes outside the hashes. He's improved in pass coverage, but still has that panicked look where he might commit pass interference as soon as the ball is thrown his direction. Not a banner year for inside 'backers; he’ll likely be among the first selected.

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165. "Chick-fil-A Bowl: South Carolina vs. Florida State"
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OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State (6'2, 288) -- The only problem with him -- and it's a *significant* one -- is his size. He's not going to be big enough for a lot of teams, and has already maxed out his frame. Everything else I like, and no matter what numbers he posts in workouts, his career tape will look great. Put him in a zone blocking system and he'll do fine.

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166. "Sun Bowl: Miami-FL vs. Notre Dame"
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DL Allen Bailey, Miami-FL (6'4, 285) -- He's still pretty raw. Do you leave him on the edge in a 4-3, where he's a one-dimensional pass rusher? Move him inside as an under tackle, even though he'll need to add weight and hasn't shown consistent hand technique? Or make him a run stopping 3-4 end? I'm leaning towards the last option, since he plays with solid leverage, but then again, a lot of 3-4 fronts don't play two gaps with their ends (and he struggles to get off blocks).

CB Brandon Harris, Miami-FL (5'11, 195) -- There will be a good battle for the third cornerback ranking in this draft, after Peterson and Amukamara, and this game didn’t help him (should he declare). He had problems with footwork -- slipping on the turf, sloppy backpedals -- and got straight-up beat by Floyd a few times. I'm not sure he's talented enough to be a number one corner in the NFL, so maybe this spurs him to come back and refine his game.

WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame (6'3, 227) -- My favorite receiver coming into this season, he's had some issues with quarterback play and his own inconsistency. For a guy with such strong hands and ball skills, his receiving has been an adventure -- drops, bad adjustments, and even some easy passes have led to double clutches. You overlook that when he pulls one down in double coverage, but the best receivers in this draft can do that too.

He's still prototypically sized, has the speed, is fluid in open space, and I give him credit for squeezing out over 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdowns with Notre Dame's personnel issues. Assuming a logjam of receivers after Green, he could slide enough to be an amazing steal.

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167. "Meineke Car Care Bowl: Clemson vs. USF"
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DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson (6'4, 280) -- He plays the run as well as any lineman in the country. Setting an edge, holding ground, penetration, great tackler...he does it all. It sounds odd for a player who led the nation in sacks, but I don't think he's going to have instant NFL success rushing the passer. His first step isn't amazing, so he'll have to continue refining his other moves (which he did this past season). He'll be a threat in time, though, and his ability to play in different fronts (3-4 and 4-3 end, 4-3 tackle) makes him more valuable than a pure speed rusher. Top five pick without a doubt.

S DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson (6'0, 212) -- He needs to change the way he tackles, relying less on those "big hit" shoulder charges. There are a lot of NFL players who will bounce off that shit easily. Coverage-wise, you can't teach some of his instincts. He has a feel for route combinations, mirroring receivers and beating them out of their own breaks!

CB JaQuez Jenkins, USF (6'2, 191) -- I'm only writing about him (redshirt freshman) to note one of the funniest / dumbest plays of the bowl season. Fourth quarter, he gets an interception and has a full convoy straight to the end-zone. While he's pointing out people to block (why do they point? the guys in front of them can't see it), he runs out of bounds! Nobody near him, five yards from scoring, and he literally runs onto the sideline.

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168. "Capital One Bowl: Michigan State vs. Alabama"
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ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State (6'1, 240) -- I wrote he was undersized before, but I was going on an old listed weight. I also think he just *looks* smaller than he is. If his measurables check out, then it's not a huge issue. He does have problems with runs directly at him, as linemen can wear him out pretty well. Much better when run blitzing or fighting his way through traffic, and a very good form tackler as well.

RB Mark Ingram, Alabama (5'10, 215) -- Back healthy and it showed. Had his burst and leg drive working, combined with that sick balance he gets from running so low. There are flashier running backs, bigger or faster, but Ingram's vision and natural running “ability” make him the best prospect in a mediocre class (especially if LaMichael James doesn't enter). Mid to late first round.

WR Julio Jones, Alabama (6'4, 220) -- Definitely repaired his stock from last season (where apparently he was the first receiver in SEC history to see double coverage) and will be one of the first wide-outs picked after A.J. Green, depending on teams' preferences. Although I'm still amazed at his ability to come up with the clutch drop. Down to the last play with the first team offense, he manages to fight off one last completion before finishing his day (and career). Wonders never cease.

DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama (6'4, 306) -- His best performance of the season. Used his hands exceptionally well -- swim move looked great -- and was off blocks instantly. Played fast all game (stamina is back) and powered through doubles. I've always liked him better inside, but have him drop 10 pounds and he'd be a hell of a 3-4 end too. A good finish to an uneven campaign.

ILB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama (6'4, 260) -- Getting his speed back. I wish I could be more confident in his pass defense -- he's usually in position, but I haven't seen teams test him lately -- because he's a fucking animal in the run game. Sheds and scrapes off blocks as well as anybody, and the power he gets from a standing tackle is absurd. Again, I'm still leery about his man-to-man skills, but at least he's big enough to move down to end on passing downs (which is where Saban puts him).

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173. "Will is a one man army, Ason"
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174. "it's been interesting to track guys all season"
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on the other hand, this thread can be like an unfinished book I'm obligated to finish. I deleted some good shit on my DVR to tape all these games!

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175. "Outback Bowl: Penn State vs. Florida"
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C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State (6'3, 306) -- He was moved back to guard this season, but the NFL seems to prefer him at center. Technique-driven blocker with a nasty, "I'm gonna fuck you up" accent to his game. Not enormously big, and that could give him some trouble against NFL-sized tackles. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's the first center taken.

OG Mike Pouncey, Florida (6'4, 310) -- In comparison to Wisniewski, he was moved to center but the NFL prefers him back at guard. He looked pretty damn good himself; well-built for his size and was good to dominant in the run and pass games. He's also a weapon at the second level -- unlike other linemen who become slow-moving obstacles, he can actually target and drive on a defender. Probably won't rate as high as his very intimate brother, but a definite NFL starter.

OT Marcus Gilbert, Florida (6'6, 318) -- Back at right tackle, his previous position (for Tebow's left-handedness). I don't think a ton of him either way: He's not the battering ram you'd want on a NFL right side, and on the left side, he still has issues with balance, strength and quickness. It might be unfair to read body language, but he does seem apathetic at times. Worth a two-deep spot because of his size, in the hope he can eventually harness it.

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176. "Gator Bowl: Michigan vs. Mississippi State"
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OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State (6'6, 305) -- Voted most likely to have an embarrassing moment. Despite some obvious talent -- he's got the right size, the wingspan for left tackle, he's decently quick -- there's at least one instance per game where he looks like a horrible player. His run-blocking remains mediocre: It's fine if you he's just walling off an end or linebacker, but actually moving the man in front of him backwards? Not happening.

Pass protection is his stronger suit -- he's one of the few senior tackles who can stay on the left side -- although his balance is questionable and punch should be better. I'd feel worried taking this guy in the top 20, but there might not be too many better options.

DE Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State (6'4, 285) -- I'm wondering if the Auburn game was his best performance of the season. Past three games I've seen him have left me less and less enthused. Moves a little too upright, hasn't been explosive, and disappears for long stretches.

OLB K.J. Wright, Mississippi State (6'4, 250) -- I like him. Does a great job playing outside runs, forcing backs to the edge and landing the first blow against pulling guards. Consistent tackler and doesn't hurt the defense when left in space, either.

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177. "Rose Bowl: TCU vs. Wisconsin"
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LB Tank Carder, TCU (6'2, 237) -- Who else got annoyed by Brent Musberger's metaphors whenever he made a tackle? I used to like Herbie too, but now I associate his cheerful banter with Musberger as a unified evil. Anyway, an immortal performance (no exaggeration; they'll show that pass break-up forever) from the junior linebacker. He was everywhere, chasing runs from the inside-out and cutting through traffic. I doubt he leaves early though.

S Tejay Johnson, TCU (6'0, 212) -- Had a lot of responsibility in the run game, considering Wisconsin was going to control the line of scrimmage. To that end he filled the box well, making some impressive tackles and showing proper pursuit angles. Coverage-wise, he was left alone against Kendricks for most of the game, and did more than a respectable job -- fluidity was there, he had decent ball skills, and forced throws in tight windows.

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178. "Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Connecticut"
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RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma (6'1, 214) -- He takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r to change direction. He can't make evasive cuts without losing a ton of speed, and that's a problem. On the positive side, he's a great receiver and runs really well if there's nobody in front of him. Plus he made it through the season in one piece!

WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma (5'11, 183) -- Love him in the slot, but his draft status will likely be capped because of that -- there's just too many bigger, more dynamic receivers available. His hands and adjustments to passes are ridiculous, although surprisingly, he could improve his route-running. He's not always decisive out of his breaks, and will have problems getting NFL separation since he lacks elite speed.

OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (6'2, 232) -- Weirdly, I think he's become better against the run than the pass. His zone discipline is fine, but there's some jerkiness and false steps in man coverage. Smooth player (although not a superior athlete) and tackling machine. A lot of outside linebacker prospects have issues this year -- he could end up eclipsing most, if not all of them.

S Quinton Carter, Oklahoma (6'1, 195) -- I can't believe how high some people are projecting this guy. Top 75 overall? Are we watching the same player? Amassed a lot of tackles, but his actual form is poor (ducks and hits, doesn't wrap up). Takes bad angles to faster ball-carriers, both in run support and coverage. Nebraska, who can't pass worth a shit (neither can UConn), *specifically* targeted him on two of their biggest throws in the Big XII Championship. He's a mid to late rounder to me.

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187. "RE: Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Connecticut"
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>RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma (6'1, 214) -- He takes
>f-o-r-e-v-e-r to change direction. He can't make evasive cuts
>without losing a ton of speed, and that's a problem. On the
>positive side, he's a great receiver and runs really well if
>there's nobody in front of him. Plus he made it through the
>season in one piece!

yup, never been shifty. good blocker and pass catcher and i can see him becoming a good special teams guy. not a star in the league by any stretch.

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>WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma (5'11, 183) -- Love him in the slot,
>but his draft status will likely be capped because of that --
>there's just too many bigger, more dynamic receivers
>available. His hands and adjustments to passes are ridiculous,
>although surprisingly, he could improve his route-running.
>He's not always decisive out of his breaks, and will have
>problems getting NFL separation since he lacks elite speed.

coming back won't really improve his draft status, but it'll improve my saturdays in the fall.

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>OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (6'2, 232) -- Weirdly, I think he's
>become better against the run than the pass. His zone
>discipline is fine, but there's some jerkiness and false steps
>in man coverage. Smooth player (although not a superior
>athlete) and tackling machine. A lot of outside linebacker
>prospects have issues this year -- he could end up eclipsing
>most, if not all of them.

mad at himself for not making 150 tackles, coming back. could make himself a very high pick but you're probably right about him not being that elite top level athlete.

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>S Quinton Carter, Oklahoma (6'1, 195) -- I can't believe how
>high some people are projecting this guy. Top 75 overall? Are
>we watching the same player? Amassed a lot of tackles, but his
>actual form is poor (ducks and hits, doesn't wrap up). Takes
>bad angles to faster ball-carriers, both in run support and
>coverage. Nebraska, who can't pass worth a shit (neither can
>UConn), *specifically* targeted him on two of their biggest
>throws in the Big XII Championship. He's a mid to late rounder
>to me.

he's terrible. i hope he gets some fool sucker team to give him money because i don't hate in house like that, but goddam he is not an nfl safety. hell he was barely a big 12 safety. addition by subtraction. hell he makes brodney pool look like ed reed.

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179. "Orange Bowl: Stanford vs. Virginia Tech"
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QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (6'4, 235) -- Listen, I realize that a bunch of annoying dopes who know shit about college football or NFL drafting (Peter King, white radio host X) are jumping on this hype train. Don't fight it! This man is as polished as quarterback prospects get -- I've detailed all the reasons in previous posts. The Orange Bowl was his last college coronation before a path to NFL stardom.

Please get out all your hate right now, lest you end up being one of those "Peyton Manning is not that great" types.

OLB Chase Thomas, Stanford (6'4, 239) -- He's only a junior, but who knows what will happen if Harbaugh leaves. A much better player near the line of scrimmage: quick and powerful hands, and he sets the edge well against the run. Some limited pass rush ability, mostly through persistence and against bad teams. Lumbering in coverage and can't chase down athletic players in space. He also had inconsistent effort from series to series (a white linebacker coasting? IMA TYPE ABOUT IT).

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180. "Sugar Bowl: Ohio State vs. Arkansas"
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QB Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State (6'6, 233) -- I think Pryor is staying, but that "pledge" was clearly PR bullshit. His own comments towards a return, or that of a teammate's, were ambiguous and noncommittal.

On the field, his tractor beam eyes when reading progressions remains a problem. The arm is good enough to do anything the NFL asks, although his accuracy comes and goes -- it's worse when he throws on the run. The inexplicable pass is still present, evidenced by that one 30-yard jump ball he fired off his back foot. Next year's suspension hurts him the most, and yes, his best play is still the third down scramble, but there's a real quarterback prospect here. Somewhere.

RB Daniel Herron, Ohio State (5'10, 202) -- He's not a NFL tackle-breaker, not a long touchdown threat, and he can't make something out of nothing. With all that against him, his little mistakes in this game were glaring: Trying to cut outside, in the backfield, on your own two-yard line? Fumbling on fourth and inches?

OT Mike Adams, Ohio State (6'8, 300) -- Footwork remains an issue. His kick-step is very inconsistent, and he ends up crossing his feet *a lot* against speed rushers. He didn't finish all his run blocks either -- must get nastier. Still has starting left tackle potential, but hasn't progressed to where I had hoped. I'm not sure he cracks the first round if he bolts.

DL Cameron Heyward, Ohio State (6'5, 288) -- Remember Gerard Warren? He always called himself "Big Money" at Florida, I suppose in reference to his talent value and play in big games. Spurrier, being who he is, liked to call the defensive tackle "Big Penny" in privacy. Funny.

Anyway, I feel like I've seen that disparity from Heyward this season. He's had some first round games and some fifth round games, but at least he ended his career on a high note. The bull-rush remains his go-to, although he did show some effective rip, swim and spin moves in this game. Versatile enough for any system, I'm starting to like him most as a one-gap, 3-4 end.

QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (6'6, 238) -- While red-zone turnovers are nothing new to him, I give a lot of credit to Ohio State for that final interception. Having Thomas and Heyward both drop into coverage completely confused the Arkansas' line (who expects the best pass rusher to bail in that situation?) and freed Homan up the middle. The kicker, though, was the delayed safety blitz -- not only did it create double a-gap pressure right in Mallett's face, but it baited the quarterback to throw to the vacated spot in coverage...right where Thomas was reading. Great call.

I'm still not a Mallett fan, but I came away impressed with how he held himself together against the Buckeyes. I fully expected an emotional breakdown after all those drops, but nope -- he kept working at it, kept going to Adams, and didn’t start forcing things. Maturing.

I also expect him to destroy his pro day (that arm, throwing for NFL general managers, against no defense? Clay Davis), so if you want a less mobile version of Jay Cutler, you better be drafting in the top ten. Although fuck, who knows what Carolina will do if Luck doesn't come to his senses. This is the franchise that traded a first round pick for Everette Brown.

OG DeMarcus Love, Arkansas (6'5, 315) -- When you start reading mock drafts, don't believe anybody who has this guy a.) playing left tackle, b.) getting selected in the first two rounds. His feet are heavy as hell.

TE D.J. Williams, Arkansas (6'2, 251) -- Slow starter who's limited athletically. His hands, feel for coverage and deceptive quickness helps, but he doesn't present the match-up problems that elite tight ends do. And his blocking sucks.

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Some mock drafts have him as the best center prospect if he had come out..lucky for us he's returning (along with Adams)
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184. "I watched him for a quarter"
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then I realized I know nothing about centers. a lot of what they do with protection calls can't really be seen anyway (if it's their fault or someone else's).

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181. "Cotton Bowl: Texas A&M vs. LSU"
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RB Cyrus Gray, Texas A&M (5'10, 198) -- He knows who he is. Doesn't try a bunch of bullshit spins or ankle breakers, just relies on his quick feet and hits the hole. Surprising burst -- he ran around an unblocked Nevis and turned the corner on Sheppard -- although not really dynamic. I'm not sure his draft stock will ever be higher, as Christine Michael returns next season, but he didn't even seek out a grade from the NFL advisory board.

ILB Kelvin Sheppard, LSU (6'3, 240) -- There's nothing especially flawed with his game. There's nothing that stands out as amazing, either. Holds his ground on inside runs, but doesn't make many plays on the flanks. Movement can be stiff and he doesn't have a strong lower body, which leads to getting cut-blocked. He's a quality prospect for 4-3 teams needing a middle linebacker, but not an impact defender.

CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (6'1, 222) -- He should've dominated Fuller, whose main advantage over corners is size. He didn't. There was dumb positioning on a few completions, either by him or the coverage call (10-yard cushion to a guy who isn't a deep threat?). He still has problems with back shoulder throws -- he didn't read Fuller's turn, and tried to stop and break on the ball (which nobody can do). Teams know that Peterson is good enough to press and still keep receivers behind his front shoulder, so they are exploiting his lack of route recognition.

There were some other small issues: He didn't seem interested in playing the run, and didn't respond when Fuller challenged him with push-offs. While I prefer his physical talent over Amukamara (he can play corner *or* safety), he's not bulletproof and will have to become a smarter player at the NFL level.

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182. "BBVA Compass Bowl: Kentucky vs. Pittsburgh"
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RB Derrick Locke, Kentucky (5'9, 190) -- He's got a little burst and speed, but is undersized and predictably limited as a feature back. All his injuries this season didn't help, either. Third down back and special teamer.

WR Randall Cobb, Kentucky (5'11, 186) -- Good at a lot of things, exceptional at none. Which is not really a knock...he can be a great utility player. Put him in the slot as a zone-ninja and third-down target. Feed him screens. Direct snaps (elusive, and he runs with surprising power for his size), end-arounds, punt returns -- hell, he can even throw the ball. Very Randle El-esque.

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185. "Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl: Boston College vs. Nevada"
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OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College (6'7, 308) -- The left tackle class being so mediocre this season, I figured I'd watch this guy again. Maybe I missed something. I mean, smarter people than myself think he's a first rounder.

So I watch. First play on offense -- a run -- he gets thrown to the ground by Nevada's 250-pound defensive end. Second play -- a pass -- he gets beat inside, falls down, and is called for a chop block due to ankle-grabbing while the guard cleans up his mess. At this point I finished watching.

OLB Mark Herzlich, Boston College (6'4, 244) -- Great comeback story. Great prospect? Not so much. Hardly a pass rusher, so 3-4 outside linebacker seems a stretch. Inside, he can have some trouble breaking down to tackle -- doesn't bend his knees well. While not an explosive athlete, he does look better in pursuit and zone coverage. Probably will get a look in the mid to late rounds; one of those guys who forces his way onto a roster somehow.

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QB Cameron Newton, Auburn (6'6, 250) -- One hugely important trait that he has over his draft colleagues is pocket presence. I'm not talking about mobility -- that's different. Strictly between the tackles, however, he has much better awareness of pressure and how to execute despite it.

Gabbert shits himself and bails when anybody gets three feet near him, Mallett cannot step up and throw accurately, and Locker is only comfortable on roll-outs. When Newton is faced with a free blitzer or collapsing protection, he can keep his head downfield and buy an extra second with one sidestep (see: the first touchdown throw to Blake).

His mechanics range from quirky to terrible, but a good offensive coaching staff can iron those out. He already knows how to manipulate safeties, his arm as is good as anybody's, and his size-speed combination is unreal. Sliding in this draft would be a positive for him long-term: He needs to be on that Aaron Rodgers plan, where he sits for a year-plus, fixes his footwork and throwing motion under good coaching, and absorbs a NFL system.

WR Darvin Adams, Auburn (6'3, 185) -- Snuck in before the early draft deadline passed. No idea about his personal business, but I suppose his stock won't be any higher with a new quarterback next season. I don't see anything special: he's underweight and will bomb the strength tests, has merely adequate hands, is not explosive in the open field and lacks polish. It helps this isn't as good a receiver draft as once thought, but he looks like a fifth or sixth rounder.

DT Nick Fairley, Auburn (6'5, 298) -- This game probably put him in contention for the number one overall pick. I have my worries. Scheme-wise, I wouldn't trust him in a 3-4 as an end or nose tackle (too much responsibility); he's a three-technique. Athletically, he doesn't have the insane builds of a Suh or Ngata -- his weight is more top heavy and softer. He's like a smaller Albert Haynesworth (in maybe more ways than one). There's that "one-year wonder" thing as well, which is a big deal if you plan on investing first pick money. He picks the best times to dominate and plays a primo position...but picking a defensive tackle in the top ten is navigating a bust minefield.

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