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"NCAA probing Miami for alleged gifts from booster/ponzi scheme swindler"


  

          

this is way more egregious than selling your OWN shit for $$$$


As NCAA probes, Golden says 'Canes may have made mistakes

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MIAMI (AP) -- Miami Hurricanes coach Al Golden says some of his player may have made mistakes that prompted an NCAA investigation into convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro's role with the program.

Golden, preparing for his first season with the Hurricanes, said he just became aware of the investigation into allegations that Shapiro gave more than a dozen former or current players gifts and services.

"We're not going to let this knock us backward," Golden said Tuesday before a morning practice. "We have great kids on this team to the extent that they may have made a mistake. OK, that's fine. But that's also part of growing up. What we have to teach them now is if something did occur, let's be honest and move forward."

NCAA investigators visited the campus Monday in the wake of Shapiro's allegations that he provided players with the use of a yacht and other favors, said his attorney, Maria Elena Perez. Shapiro and Perez have been talking with the NCAA about the matter for a couple of months and provided documentation, she said.

Golden said athletic director Shawn Eichorst and president Donna Shalala were meeting with investigators, but the coach didn't expect to be included in those discussions.

"It's hard for me to stand up here and defend something that occurred three, four, five, six years ago," Golden said. "I don't know the extent of it. We're going to look at it. We're disappointed, but we're not discouraged."

Shapiro's relationship with the program dates back about a decade. Some of the alleged incidents occurred in the past four years, which would be within the NCAA's statute of limitations regarding violations.

Miami officials said that when Shapiro first made his allegations nearly a year ago, he and his attorneys refused to provide any facts to the school.

"The university notified the NCAA enforcement officials of these allegations," the school said in a statement. "We are fully cooperating with the NCAA and are conducting a joint investigation. The University of Miami takes these matters very seriously."

Golden joined the Hurricanes in December after Randy Shannon was fired. Eichorst was hired as athletic director in April to replace Kirby Hocutt, who resigned to become athletic director at Texas Tech.

Golden said he emailed his team "every day this summer" about avoiding problems that recently hit other schools, and he specifically mentioned North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Ohio State. He said his players have a "Cane Code" reminding them about such issues.

"We've got to make sure the third parties stay away from our student-athletes," Golden said.

Golden said his players were told about the investigation before practice Tuesday. He declined to make them available to the media.

"I didn't think that would be fair to the kids," he said. "I'm living day by day right now."

Golden said he didn't expect his 24 committed players for the upcoming signing class to waver in their commitments.

In June, when Shapiro was sentenced, the U.S. Attorney's Office said he "used investor funds to make payments to dozens of student athletes who were attending a local university in the Miami area to which Shapiro made significant donations ... cash in amounts up to $10,000 and gifts such as jewelry and entertainment at nightclubs and restaurants in Miami Beach. As a result of a 10-year gift to the university, its Student-Athlete Lounge was named for Shapiro."

The University of Miami was not specifically mentioned in that release, but the school temporarily named its lounge for Shapiro. His name was removed in 2008 after the school said he did not follow his pledged donation-payment plan.

Prosecutors said Shapiro spent more than $400,000 in investor funds for Miami Heat floor seats, among other luxuries. Shapiro also used investor funds to buy a pair of diamond-studded handcuffs, which he gave as a gift to a professional athlete - long believed to be Shaquille O'Neal.

Among the creditors listed as those who are owed money by Shapiro's company, Capitol Investments, are the university, the Heat and former Wisconsin football coach Barry Alvarez, along with members of his family. Alvarez has a close relationship with Shalala, largely from her time at Wisconsin.

Court records show Shapiro was accused of owing the Heat $732,348.49 for courtside seats he promised to buy, almost $600,000 of which were for future seasons. Alvarez's family has filed claims for at least $1 million. Miami has an outstanding claim of $40,000 surrounding a deal for a skybox lease.

Shapiro said he gave away a 2006 Heat NBA championship ring to satisfy a debt, though did not reveal in sworn statements how he obtained the ring that was given to hundreds of Heat staffers.

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Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/08/16/miami-ncaa-investigation.ap/index.html#ixzz1VE1s5aGd

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lol...when i think of how they acted when they joined the ACC
Aug 16th 2011
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Conference play isn't something to take lightly.
Aug 16th 2011
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      Or the coaches coaching at Miami weren't very good
Aug 16th 2011
30
      You're being kind of an idiot.
Aug 16th 2011
44
           RE: You're being kind of an idiot.
Aug 16th 2011
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      i know that, and you know that. they found out the hard way
Aug 16th 2011
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1) i already posted this and 2) your comparison is dead wrong
Aug 16th 2011
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we're laughing about miami here...take that shit elsewhere
Aug 16th 2011
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Thanks Internet police
Aug 16th 2011
26
good for you! put that in your resume you lame faggot
Aug 16th 2011
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Note to self
Aug 16th 2011
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      ^typical 'you mad' response....that michigan wit in full use I see.
Aug 16th 2011
33
cut the fucking michigan/ohio state crap.
Aug 16th 2011
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      im sayin'
Aug 16th 2011
10
      Yeah the two of them need to come to some sort of truce
Aug 16th 2011
12
      just keep it to the designated threads...aint hard
Aug 16th 2011
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      I agree but it seems like any thread that has anything to do with CFB
Aug 16th 2011
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           guru gets a pass cause he was gone for a stretch
Aug 16th 2011
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      this dude has a strange obsession with me...
Aug 16th 2011
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           I agree that it is more him than you
Aug 16th 2011
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           Lol yup you got me, I'm obsessed with you
Aug 16th 2011
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                Now that's more like it. Lol
Aug 16th 2011
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      They shd just inbox each other these love notes
Aug 16th 2011
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           lol....^^^^^not helping
Aug 16th 2011
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           lol
Aug 16th 2011
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           I'm sure you are dude
Aug 16th 2011
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                You think like a special ed student.
Aug 16th 2011
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           ^another troll..similar to bs, just from a different angle....nm
Aug 16th 2011
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SI swipes >^1,000,000 > tweets
Aug 16th 2011
5
Think Randy Shannon is a bit worried?
Aug 16th 2011
6
if this turns out to be a series of totally egregious violations
Aug 16th 2011
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      lol
Aug 16th 2011
9
      Is Shiano really a leader for Penn State still?
Aug 16th 2011
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      Brady Hoke has a 47-50 career record
Aug 16th 2011
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           On a side note, I really hate this new B1G logo and am surprised
Aug 16th 2011
20
           Career aggregate doesn't capture his clear trends of improvement
Aug 16th 2011
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                cmon. he had two seasons of more than 8 wins
Aug 16th 2011
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      lol
Aug 18th 2011
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That tweet was dead on
Aug 16th 2011
43
Da U-Rine Strikes Again
Aug 16th 2011
11
Is there a program that isn't gettng gifts, though?
Aug 16th 2011
22
Terrible argument.
Aug 16th 2011
25
DONT GET CAUGHT (c) Jeezy
Aug 16th 2011
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that's basically. it. Don't get caught. ALL of them
Aug 16th 2011
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and normally they want to be around actual WINNERS
Aug 16th 2011
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I agree in that all that matters is what can be proven
Aug 16th 2011
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      i dont think that is equivalent to what is going on here
Aug 16th 2011
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there is not a single one.
Aug 16th 2011
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The shit just hit the fan.
Aug 16th 2011
35
THIRTY-EIGHT PLAYERS??? DAYUM.
Aug 16th 2011
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oh btw, we're gonna beat that Cane ass in September...
Aug 16th 2011
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and this really will be no exaggeration
Aug 16th 2011
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      I am looking forward to our home and home series
Aug 16th 2011
40
      cal visits cbus next year
Aug 16th 2011
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      worse home crowd.....um or um?
Aug 16th 2011
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Lol Miami is DONE
Aug 16th 2011
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dohrman could maybe get an intern gig at yahoo
Aug 16th 2011
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      Lol
Aug 16th 2011
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I wonder how much of this guys time will get cut behind this..
Aug 16th 2011
45
holy shit miami is beyond fucked.
Aug 16th 2011
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if the NCAA doesnt give out the death penalty for this
Aug 16th 2011
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Yahoo Link...http://tinyurl.com/miamidone
Aug 16th 2011
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Lmao ok you were right
Aug 16th 2011
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jesus h christ...holy shit.
Aug 17th 2011
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Aug 17th 2011
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these pics are hilarious
Aug 16th 2011
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im wondering if willis mcgahee is still gonna push for that 2002 NC ring
Aug 16th 2011
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If Da U had any real fans, I'd kinda feel sorry for them.
Aug 16th 2011
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SWAGGER
Aug 16th 2011
59
LOL at the mention of an abortion thrown in for good measure
Aug 16th 2011
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The NCAA must really hate Yahoo! Sports right about now
Aug 16th 2011
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RE: The NCAA must really hate Yahoo! Sports right about now
Aug 16th 2011
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Seriously, does Miami get the SMU death penalty for this?
Aug 16th 2011
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i dont see how they cant honestly
Aug 16th 2011
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      50 schollies and a 5 year ban at minimum (post your guess below)
Aug 16th 2011
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           That sounds about right, plus they have to vacate all ACC titles won..
Aug 16th 2011
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                *golf clap*
Aug 16th 2011
Could we see a return of the death penalty?
Aug 16th 2011
66
I haven't read the article because I'm listening to
Aug 16th 2011
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I honestly don't know what's more dead -- that stripper's baby or
Aug 16th 2011
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why do you get joy out of shit like this?
Aug 16th 2011
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It really is perplexing
Aug 16th 2011
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It's kind of sickening. What sports fan wants this?
Aug 16th 2011
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The kind of sports fan nice enough to point out that big stick
Aug 16th 2011
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      Why are you invested in what's up my ass?
Aug 16th 2011
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           because it should be free to accept this logical reasoning dildo
Aug 16th 2011
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                Nigga I aint reading alladat. Y u wanna shove things up
Aug 16th 2011
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                yeah that's what i thought. now run along.
Aug 16th 2011
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                     Nigga I aint trying to read bitch reasoning.
Aug 16th 2011
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                          "bitch reasoning" (translation: i'm wrong and bitter) lol
Aug 16th 2011
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                Miami = NY Yankees of cheating, while Troy State = KC Royals
Aug 16th 2011
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you're letting someone goad you into making dumb statements
Aug 16th 2011
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Bc it's just sports
Aug 16th 2011
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No it's not. It's lives and careers, scholarships
Aug 16th 2011
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      dont be simple. no one has *only* a Miami offer
Aug 16th 2011
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           You do if you're a 5th yr senior career bench player.
Aug 16th 2011
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                if you are a 5th year senior, use your fucking degree
Aug 16th 2011
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                Use your degree to suit up and play football for the last
Aug 16th 2011
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                     youre being intentionally obstinate.
Aug 16th 2011
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                lol i'm glad you narrowed your already myopic argument
Aug 16th 2011
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i enjoy the falls associated with hubris myself actually
Aug 16th 2011
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      You ppl are weird.
Aug 16th 2011
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           thats one perspective
Aug 16th 2011
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           some people are into football...
Aug 16th 2011
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                ^^^truth
Aug 16th 2011
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                lol the subject of your post doesnt correlate to this excerpt
Aug 16th 2011
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                RE: lol the subject of your post doesnt correlate to this excerpt
Aug 16th 2011
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                That's where it is for me. My teams suck right now BUT
Aug 17th 2011
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LOL, I am still trippin over the paid abortion
Aug 16th 2011
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      What if the baby survived as a Benjamin Button type person
Aug 16th 2011
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well we had a nice run lol..
Aug 16th 2011
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LMMFAO...this is the funniest part of the whole fucking post
Aug 16th 2011
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      LOL
Aug 17th 2011
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welp so much for the Al Golden era bwhahaha. that's what he gets
Aug 16th 2011
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^^never forgets
Aug 16th 2011
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lol FOH...SoBe >> North Philly
Aug 18th 2011
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      right today a non crippled UMiami gig isn't better than the Temple gig
Aug 18th 2011
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           no. not now, not in a million years.
Aug 19th 2011
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Players/Coaches (lol) involved...
Aug 16th 2011
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yeah...goodnight canes
Aug 16th 2011
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dude they got individual pages on everybody's dirt
Aug 16th 2011
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lol and audio clips...nm
Aug 16th 2011
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goddamn, that's damn near all the 'relevant' U-RINE players
Aug 16th 2011
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Dayummm!!! (c) Alkaholiks....I played against James Bryant in HS
Aug 16th 2011
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the funniest to me was McDookie being The Tipping Point for U players
Aug 17th 2011
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I'm sitting here dying at the DJ Williams picture
Aug 18th 2011
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Canes fans...
Aug 16th 2011
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oh shit i'm dying
Aug 16th 2011
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This might be worse than the SMU fiasco.
Aug 16th 2011
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This is absolutely the best part
Aug 16th 2011
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      I nearly ran a red-light hearing that detail on my way to work
Aug 17th 2011
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           it could not be more perfect.
Aug 17th 2011
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The NCAA needs to do something drastically different
Aug 16th 2011
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honestly, they need to give someone the death penalty
Aug 16th 2011
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This is real spit though
Aug 16th 2011
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Wow, This Robinson cat got server's worth of goods
Aug 16th 2011
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Well, that's a wrap on them
Aug 16th 2011
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is this the worst snitching in sports history?
Aug 16th 2011
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he'd be a terrible person even if he wasn't a snitch
Aug 16th 2011
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c'mon.
Aug 16th 2011
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which is how you're supposed to treat a simp
Aug 16th 2011
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      then they should not be surprised.
Aug 17th 2011
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better lesson to our children:
Aug 17th 2011
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He used them, they used him
Aug 17th 2011
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what a hoe ass dude. they shoulda n/h'd the whole article.
Aug 16th 2011
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i hate boosters, but what i REALLY hate are tricks and groupies
Aug 16th 2011
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they seem like predators to me more than anything.
Aug 16th 2011
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      that too. they're simps who have all the power, and that is bad.
Aug 16th 2011
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      *LOL* @ predator.
Aug 17th 2011
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did u peep the quote about him NOT fucking the prostitutes?
Aug 17th 2011
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I'm not sure what to make of it.
Aug 16th 2011
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The Lounge is all over the place today.
Aug 17th 2011
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Safe to say we all thought the '10' was going to be about Auburn?
Aug 17th 2011
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we naively assume that losing makes u exempt from 'cheating'
Aug 17th 2011
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Auburn's day is coming, my only objection is that Miami is a Top 10 prog...
Aug 17th 2011
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wait till the jefferson county shit goes down...
Aug 18th 2011
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Teddy Dupay gave us White Thursday and now THIS!!!
Aug 17th 2011
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^^^^
Aug 17th 2011
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You realize this opens the possibility that Florida Teddy Dupay
Aug 17th 2011
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      And if he somehow did blow off Matt Jones dashboard
Aug 17th 2011
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Uncle Luke responds to the report (swipe)
Aug 17th 2011
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I wonder how complicit Larry Coker was in all this
Aug 17th 2011
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this piece = Dante's f, d, df + L move in MvC3.... aka TOWERING INFERNO
Aug 17th 2011
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LMAO. Naw, this was Doctor Doom's Level 3 Doom Time.
Aug 17th 2011
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      damn, I hate when he stomps you and OTGs into that shit
Aug 18th 2011
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this is ether
Aug 17th 2011
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ni&&a just redirected a pipeline of hot lava straight from mt vesuvius.
Aug 17th 2011
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      !
Aug 18th 2011
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he (campbell) is trying to make sure HIS name stays clean
Aug 17th 2011
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Holy shit!! Now I don't feel so bad about our Oct. date with the NCAA
Aug 17th 2011
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welp, my interest in drafting bryce brown in fantasy has dropped
Aug 17th 2011
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At least when we cheated we won lol *smh@ the abortion
Aug 17th 2011
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mgoblog points out that espn sucks
Aug 17th 2011
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That's comical
Aug 17th 2011
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We knew that when they suspended Bruce Feldman
Aug 17th 2011
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this shit is bananas.
Aug 17th 2011
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Miami would be the perfect school for the NCAA to drop the death
Aug 17th 2011
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So what do we think they'll actually get?
Aug 17th 2011
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They will get the death penalty
Aug 17th 2011
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I kinda think the NCAA has killed the death penalty , in the SMU sense
Aug 17th 2011
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There's no way they get the death penalty
Aug 17th 2011
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      That pic of Donna Shalala beaming next to this guy in the bowling alley
Aug 17th 2011
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      the pic of Shalala is hilarious but doesn't mean shit
Aug 17th 2011
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      Miami is a repeat offender for what they did in the 90's
Aug 17th 2011
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      I think the only reason SMU got it was the blatancy
Aug 17th 2011
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           After reading about this, I don't know how Miami officials can claim
Aug 17th 2011
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      Doc Saturday: if this doesn't get the death penalty, then
Aug 17th 2011
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           He is right
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: So what do we think they'll actually get?
Aug 17th 2011
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in related news, Schnellenberger announced he's retiring after this year
Aug 17th 2011
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A retirement and a funeral all in one year
Aug 17th 2011
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Charles Robinson is the new grim reaper
Aug 17th 2011
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pretty much
Aug 17th 2011
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It is bonkers how etherous and thorough this guy is.
Aug 17th 2011
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I wonder if he takes requests.
Aug 17th 2011
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LOL @ Barry Alvarez losing 600k in the ponzi scheme
Aug 17th 2011
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i have to admit i chuckled at that one.
Aug 17th 2011
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Nevin Shapiro Is the Caligula of South Florida's Ponzi Empire (swipe)
Aug 17th 2011
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was she wearing a pointy white hood when she said this? lol damn
Aug 17th 2011
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LOL I thought the same thing
Aug 17th 2011
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if you have to say this, you are a racist
Aug 17th 2011
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      anytime you have to preface using that...
Aug 17th 2011
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He might be the most singularly entitled white douchebag
Aug 17th 2011
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Just read the Yahoo article....it's all over for the U
Aug 17th 2011
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Dudes business was to basically screw a few Publix
Aug 17th 2011
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The homie Ponzi is rolling in his grave right now
Aug 17th 2011
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NSOT'C>>>>>>SSOTK
Aug 17th 2011
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Now I know how Eddie Long's churchgoers feel.
Aug 17th 2011
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No lie, I cant wait for Nevin Shapiro's book to come out...lol
Aug 18th 2011
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Imagine... just for a sec... that this ISN'T the 10 Robinson warned of
Aug 18th 2011
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it's great. to be. a Florida Gator.
Aug 18th 2011
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I've been saying for years that UGA gotta be on roids
Aug 18th 2011
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"How can you rape someone you love?" the Real Teddy Dupay
Aug 18th 2011
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Sources : Randy Shannon warned team about Nevin Shapiro
Aug 18th 2011
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This just gets better and better
Aug 18th 2011
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we may never know the full extent of this scandal though...
Aug 18th 2011
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I agree but just the amount of things we have already heard
Aug 18th 2011
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ugh
Aug 18th 2011
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It was well documented how much Shannon loves the
Aug 18th 2011
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      You are right with everything you said regarding Shannon and in my opini...
Aug 18th 2011
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           Imagine the pain he must be feeling.
Aug 18th 2011
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                he's probably pissed as fuck...he's an alum
Aug 18th 2011
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                     It sucks when a guy gets it right, gets the kind of athletes you
Aug 18th 2011
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Most of the "allegations" are rubbish LINK
Aug 18th 2011
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This guy is invested.
Aug 18th 2011
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On the 12 current players
Aug 19th 2011
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      We'll see how it plays out.
Aug 19th 2011
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does that guy know that "one source" means someone other
Aug 19th 2011
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      I stopped reading there
Aug 19th 2011
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      Well, using one source LATELY has been kind "cool"
Aug 19th 2011
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           True, but people see "unnamed source" anywhere on here
Aug 19th 2011
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           Yeah. It's stacked pretty high. A few of the people
Aug 19th 2011
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           Shapiro's on record, others are anonymous
Aug 19th 2011
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                Grown folks are having the discussion above, son.
Aug 19th 2011
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Heard a USC sports radio show out here....they mad
Aug 18th 2011
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lol @ them still comparing our case to theirs...
Aug 19th 2011
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this fool Frank Haith may not even coach a game for Mizzou...
Aug 19th 2011
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does anyone else not care about this shit, AT ALL
Aug 19th 2011
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RE: does anyone else not care about this shit, AT ALL
Aug 19th 2011
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      yes... some of it had a lot of proof, some of it though was just the guy
Aug 19th 2011
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           it was a well-researched, well fact-checked article
Aug 19th 2011
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                theres PDF's and phone log convos for christ sake
Aug 19th 2011
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                     Exactly, the same people who are doubting this report are the same
Aug 19th 2011
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$5k for Tebows head worked out great for them....
Aug 19th 2011
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Michael Irvin on Shapiro 'He's a snake and a rapist' {swipe}
Aug 19th 2011
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cgonz00cc
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1. "lol...when i think of how they acted when they joined the ACC"
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...only to watch VPI and GT dominate the Coastal

...only to watch them win ONE big game as a conference member (full disclosure it was against us, but i blame scheduling and we won the ACC anyways)

...and now a fucking scandal on top

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  

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FireBrand
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24. " Conference play isn't something to take lightly. "
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Not in college sports. It really means nearly everything. It's not like Miami aint getting great classes. They are. Their classes during the drop off were some of the best in the past 20 years at Miami.

But it's a bit different preparing for Wake, NC State, Tech, Va Tech, BC, , etc from week to week than it is only having to gear up for 2 or 3 in conference games and two OOC games a year.

You have to be on EVERY week. That aint easy. They aint pros. They have school work to do, limited practice, people to fuck and beer to drink.

Being ON every week and still having to be "Miami" is tough. They also don't dominate the State of Miami like they have in years past so while they're talented, they aren't going to have all that swagger.

Some kid from Texas or Jersey is cool if it's only two of 'em. When you got 12 of them in your top 33, you're diluting your swagger. Florida players aren't like other people.

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30. "Or the coaches coaching at Miami weren't very good "
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Cmon now about this.

>But it's a bit different preparing for Wake, NC State, Tech,
>Va Tech, BC, , etc from week to week

I will give you VT but Wake and NC State? Cmon now. Plus, BC doesn't count because Miami was beating their ass when they were both in the Big East, the same somewhat goes for VT as well.

The truth is Miami had bad coaches, they couldn't get all the top talent in Miami anymore because of the competition from Florida and other programs recruiting Florida. Also some of the so called "top talent" Miami was able to get weren't getting the proper coaching or they weren't that good to begin with.

  

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44. "You're being kind of an idiot."
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Tue Aug-16-11 05:22 PM by FireBrand

  

          

Wake Forest won the conference and NC State can beat you on any given day.

In the SEC if a team overlooks Ole Miss in a down year or Vandy, them niggas WILL beat you.

The same is true in the ACC and, lately, in the Pac-10 too.

It's not about that team being a great team or even a very good team. It's about them being a decent team with enough athletes to give you problems if you're not on point.

You can't roll your helmet out on the field and beat BC, NC State or Wake or Tech (even last year) or fucking Clemson. It aint happening.

There was only one chump team in that conference over the past decade and that's Duke.

You aren't playing one team a week. You're playing a SEASON. IF you cant take a week off to prep for the next team, or rest injuries, you're grinding all season even if you're better than a the next week's opponent.

Compare that shit to the Big East when Miami was in it.

I'll wait.

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54. "RE: You're being kind of an idiot."
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>Wake Forest won the conference and NC State can beat you on
>any given day.

I still don't believe Wake should ever be able to beat Miami.

>In the SEC if a team overlooks Ole Miss in a down year or
>Vandy, them niggas WILL beat you.

I agree.

>The same is true in the ACC and, lately, in the Pac-10 too.

Agreed

>It's not about that team being a great team or even a very
>good team. It's about them being a decent team with enough
>athletes to give you problems if you're not on point.
>
>You can't roll your helmet out on the field and beat BC, NC
>State or Wake or Tech (even last year) or fucking Clemson. It
>aint happening.

Exactly and that is where good coaching comes into play. Obviously Miami hasn't had that since Butch Davis left town.

>There was only one chump team in that conference over the past
>decade and that's Duke.
>
>You aren't playing one team a week. You're playing a SEASON.
>IF you cant take a week off to prep for the next team, or rest
>injuries, you're grinding all season even if you're better
>than a the next week's opponent.

I agree that the strength of teams throughout every conference in CFB has improved and thus that has increased the need for good coaches. You hire the wrong head coach and be prepared for your program to be set back 3-5 years. Coker turned out to be a bad hire and Miami is still paying the price for it.

  

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81. "i know that, and you know that. they found out the hard way"
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they were selling shirts that said "we might be in your league but you arent in ours"

well that bore out. they were not in our league.

GT and VPI have managed to deal with a 12 team ACC ok with VPI winning 3 coastal solos, GT winning two, then splitting one.

and calij is right, their coaching was not good. kicking to CJ spiller before halftime in 09 is a coaching blunder i'll never forget for the rest of my life.

  

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2. "1) i already posted this and 2) your comparison is dead wrong"
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had nothing to do with selling "your own memorobilia" at ohio.

had everything to do with the head coach knowing about violations and knowingly lying about the violations.

the violation is minor. the lie was not. neither was the culture wilfull blindness so firmly entrenched at Ohio.

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3. "we're laughing about miami here...take that shit elsewhere"
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26. "Thanks Internet police "
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4. "good for you! put that in your resume you lame faggot"
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but i never mentioned tressel. just the actions of those players (up to a 100 for Da U, compared to 5 for us.) involved.

taking money/gifts from a booster >> selling your own shit.

choke on a dick, and enjoy your 7-5 season




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21. "Note to self"
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Month long religious pilgrimages do little to alleviate Internet rage issues.


Lmao

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33. "^typical 'you mad' response....that michigan wit in full use I see."
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Meanwhile, Life is good.

I'm set to watch my squad run roughshod through the conference while you limp along to another dog shit season.

like I said earlier, if we dont go to a BCS game, its bc of an NCAA ban. If you dont go, that's Michigan tradition.

Once FB is over, we're gonna do it all over again in basketball.

Wanna put some $..oh yea, nevermind lol.



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8. "cut the fucking michigan/ohio state crap."
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10. "im sayin'"
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12. "Yeah the two of them need to come to some sort of truce"
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not a peace, just a U.S./Soviet style Cold War truce.

  

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13. "just keep it to the designated threads...aint hard"
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15. "I agree but it seems like any thread that has anything to do with CFB"
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they are both in it just going at it. It doesn't seem to take much to set it off.

  

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38. "guru gets a pass cause he was gone for a stretch"
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and missed out on 2 months worth of daily OSU updates

at this point its just nauseating and about as interesting as steroids in baseball

not to mention OSU/mich isnt even currently cracking top 20 in terms of college rivalries

  

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27. "this dude has a strange obsession with me..."
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i thought it was clear by now with his constant archive searches and mentioning me non stop even while I'm OOC...

Let it be clear I dont even mention him ..ever.

And most of the Michigan fans on this board are cool with me, its all good...


but this person is just strange...



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32. "I agree that it is more him than you"
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but he seems to just get under your skin like no other.

  

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62. "Lol yup you got me, I'm obsessed with you"
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Swimfan 2: Curry Fever


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64. "Now that's more like it. Lol"
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16. "They shd just inbox each other these love notes"
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Be one thing if the replies were witty and entertaining...but neither are actually good enough writers to do that

  

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18. "lol....^^^^^not helping"
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19. "lol"
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But fuck you. I'd like to consider myself a decent writer.




Well, at least decent relative to "fuck you faggot choke on a dick OSU rulez!!!!!!!!"

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31. "I'm sure you are dude"
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I just happen to only notice these um vs osu back and forths


Your nemisis on the other hand writes like an ESL student

  

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37. "You think like a special ed student."
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28. "^another troll..similar to bs, just from a different angle....nm"
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5. "SI swipes >^1,000,000 > tweets"
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6. "Think Randy Shannon is a bit worried?"
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From all reports, this was a guy that Coker brought around and Shannon couldnt stand him (or Coker lol)

I feel bad that Al Golden walked right into this shit though. If he knew about this, you can bet he would still be in Philadelphia waiting for Joe Paterno to die.
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7. "if this turns out to be a series of totally egregious violations"
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im not sure what would happen to shannon....it would depend on how complicit he was

coker's career is dunzo, but shannon could be a coordinator/ace recruiter somewhere

a show cause would kill that on the ncaa level


EDIT: if miami gets hammered by the ncaa and psu opens up he'll be on the first flight out of fort lauderdale, dispatching a hitman to greg shiano's house using boingo inflight wifi

  

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9. "lol"
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>EDIT: if miami gets hammered by the ncaa and psu opens up
>he'll be on the first flight out of fort lauderdale,
>dispatching a hitman to greg shiano's house using boingo
>inflight wifi


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14. "Is Shiano really a leader for Penn State still?"
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The guy has been saving Rutgers for going on 7 years now still without a conference title in what has been a pretty bad conference. At some point someone has to realize all he did was make Rutgers ok.

Though I guess doing that at Temple landed Golden the Miami job
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17. "Brady Hoke has a 47-50 career record"
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previous connection to the school means a lot in the B1G

for better or worse

  

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20. "On a side note, I really hate this new B1G logo and am surprised"
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at how it has seemed to catch on. Granted, it is much, much better than the division names that they came up with.

  

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23. "Career aggregate doesn't capture his clear trends of improvement "
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Meanwhile Schiano has been on a consistent downward trend

Thats a poor comparison.

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82. "cmon. he had two seasons of more than 8 wins"
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outside of the 12-1 season at ball st he had a 7-6 season and then 4 other losing seasons

san diego state has nfl talent in the mountain west and tied for third last year

take '08 and '10 out of the equation and he's 26-45

color me unimpressed

  

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213. "lol"
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>EDIT: if miami gets hammered by the ncaa and psu opens up
>he'll be on the first flight out of fort lauderdale,
>dispatching a hitman to greg shiano's house using boingo
>inflight wifi

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43. "That tweet was dead on"
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And that yahoo article will be the nail in the coffin not an si piece. Just saying haha

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11. "Da U-Rine Strikes Again"
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22. "Is there a program that isn't gettng gifts, though? "
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I doubt it.

The problem is what did the coach at the time know and when did he know it. If he's smart, he's made it nearly impossible for him to be aware of such things and he's got players that aren't stupid enough to drive up with a brand new car, show up with jewelry or have multiple flat screens.

They are ALL getting money. That shit is the fucking nature of lames that want to hang around people actually doing something cool. They want to feel important in their world so they give them shit.

Giving them shit makes them feel important, like they're part of something.

You're going to find that shit at Birmingham A&M Technical school let alone THE U.

The U is caught, though.

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25. "Terrible argument. "
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I'm sure some sort of impropriety exists at most, if not all, major programs. But if what they are saying is true about the U then it's size and scope is pretty damning.

In my mind there's cheating and them there's cheating cheating. This would fit the latter. I don't think the systematic disbursement of thousands of dollars in cash to players is common at all places lol.

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29. "DONT GET CAUGHT (c) Jeezy"
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46. "that's basically. it. Don't get caught. ALL of them "
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are cheating in some ways. I'll call it cheating because the program SHOULD know what's going on with it's players.

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34. "and normally they want to be around actual WINNERS"
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>That shit is the fucking nature
>of lames that want to hang around people actually doing
>something cool.

given that the U hasn't won shit since the early part of the last decade...it makes it difficult to imagine that this problem isn't commonplace at any school that's rocking nike emblems on their uniforms.

the only question becomes how complicit the school/coaches are. id think in most cases they really aren't.

  

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49. "I agree in that all that matters is what can be proven"
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about how complicit the coaches/the program is or was.

Proven being the key word here. Winning and or losing only matters if the program hasn't won in two decades.

A scholarship NCAA athlete matters. I've seen Tennis players on a fucking sad Tennis program get free drinks at a bar or get women lined up before they lost them to the Football players.

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85. "i dont think that is equivalent to what is going on here"
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125. "there is not a single one."
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>They are ALL getting money. That shit is the fucking nature
>of lames that want to hang around people actually doing
>something cool. They want to feel important in their world so
>they give them shit.

especially at "named", big programs. They ALL get Geld.

and that is why the NCAA just either needs to stop trying to "Tressel" about (apologies to the OSU group here) and admit that it's the case, or cut off ALL the GELD flowing in from dillweeds looking to "cash in" on supposed "greatness".

  

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35. "The shit just hit the fan."
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Charles Robinson just said they completed an 11-month investigation into Miami on this story, complete with detailed allegations on every player involved individually.
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50. "THIRTY-EIGHT PLAYERS??? DAYUM."
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People are calling it the biggest corruption charge on a school ever.

And through Shapiro, Yahoo obtained thousands of documents, including check stubs and credit card statements.

Miami is DONE.
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36. "oh btw, we're gonna beat that Cane ass in September..."
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and the shit is going to look like a home game.
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39. "and this really will be no exaggeration"
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>and the shit is going to look like a home game.

what a waste this home and home was...might as well have scheduled notre dame

  

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40. "I am looking forward to our home and home series"
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I hope you guys are able to make it out to Cal and Memorial Stadium in Strawberry Canyon. I think you will have a good time.

You come to Cal next year right? Or are we going out there? If it is next year you will see the grand reopening of the renovated Memorial Stadium.

  

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42. "cal visits cbus next year"
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48. "worse home crowd.....um or um?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E5gPKBD_tM


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41. "Lol Miami is DONE"
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Dat yahoo 'vestigative journalism.

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51. "dohrman could maybe get an intern gig at yahoo"
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maybe

  

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53. "Lol"
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"Mr. Wetzel! Here's that coffee you wanted!" - Dohrmann

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45. "I wonder how much of this guys time will get cut behind this.."
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and which school the prosecutor is kin of?

  

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47. "holy shit miami is beyond fucked."
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i'm reading this article and the sheer amount of these violations is making my head hurt. jesus christ.

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61. "if the NCAA doesnt give out the death penalty for this"
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then what would it take???

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52. "Yahoo Link...http://tinyurl.com/miamidone"
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http://tinyurl.com/miamidone
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56. "Lmao ok you were right"
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Even though your logic was faulty... These are two different universes of violations. Lolololol Miami. WTF @ stripper poles in the suite

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163. "jesus h christ...holy shit."
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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178. ""
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LMAOOOOO

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55. "these pics are hilarious"
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this tool must have pics somewhere of him getting bukkaked by the special teams unit

rogue boosters are the lowest of the low

  

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57. "im wondering if willis mcgahee is still gonna push for that 2002 NC ring"
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58. "If Da U had any real fans, I'd kinda feel sorry for them."
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59. "SWAGGER"
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Lol where is Isa?

Also poor al golden

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60. "LOL at the mention of an abortion thrown in for good measure"
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63. "The NCAA must really hate Yahoo! Sports right about now"
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67. "RE: The NCAA must really hate Yahoo! Sports right about now"
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Lol those investigators better get paid 1.5x overtime

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65. "Seriously, does Miami get the SMU death penalty for this?"
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68. "i dont see how they cant honestly"
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if this doesnt get you the death penalty, nothing will.

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71. "50 schollies and a 5 year ban at minimum (post your guess below)"
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83. "That sounds about right, plus they have to vacate all ACC titles won.."
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from 2002 - 2010, oh wait.

  

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"*golf clap*"


  

          

  

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66. "Could we see a return of the death penalty?"
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I still say no but these allegations are egregious.

I don't know what kind of punish,net you dole out for this if it holds true.

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69. "I haven't read the article because I'm listening to "
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Marketplace right now but y'all need to remember one thing: Reporting.

If Miami is open, the new coach is reporting this shit and doesn't lie they won't even be in much trouble unless they've been proven to fund and send weopons to Al-Queda.

That's not the way the NCAA works. Y'all should know that.

Doesn't matter if it was 50 players.

That said, after Fresh Air, I'ma read the article. I'ma be mad as shit if y'all are over reacting and forcing me to read Yahoo sports.

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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70. "I honestly don't know what's more dead -- that stripper's baby or"
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Miami's football program.

#deadbabyjoke #couldnthelpmyself #miamiisfucked

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72. "why do you get joy out of shit like this? "
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Like, what happens when Michigan is caught again?

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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74. "It really is perplexing"
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michigan's problems with the NCAA is a large part of why they have an absolutely abysmal basketball program.




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76. "It's kind of sickening. What sports fan wants this?"
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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79. "The kind of sports fan nice enough to point out that big stick"
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you have lodged up your ass.

Also the kind of sports fan that values integrity and equity in the game?

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80. "Why are you invested in what's up my ass? "
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There is no inequality. Everyone is cheating.

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84. "because it should be free to accept this logical reasoning dildo"
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i'm about to shove up it.

You assert "everyone cheats" as some asinine argument that excuses or accepts Miami's alleged behavior as the ethical norm.

First you can't just make a blanket statement that "everyone cheats" lol. There are hundreds of programs, large and small. Even if all perpetrate some sort of impropriety, it is impossible that they all do so at the same size and scope. Smaller schools don't have boosters installing stripper poles in stadium suites. Sorry. They also don't have boosters that shell out thousands of dollars to dozens of players. Even if they did, most of those administrations would not stand for such behavior, let alone remain willfully blind/implicitly encourage it.

You castigate those who object to Miami's behavior because the punishment will adversely affect the current people affiliated with the program. Well? What about the current people affiliated with smaller programs that a) don't cheat, or b) can't cheat to the extent of a Miami? They have been unfairly discriminated against for years by Miami's behavior. They're not landing great recruits and therefore more wins and revenue.

That's why there needs to be an equitable playing field in terms of ethical misconduct. Because there is such an inequitable financial playing field to begin with.

So please STFU and enjoy the god damn show.

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86. "Nigga I aint reading alladat. Y u wanna shove things up"
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my ass? What the fuck is wrong with you, nigga? The fuck?

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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89. "yeah that's what i thought. now run along."
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lmao @ "reading alladat" for 2 short paragraphs.

next time you can just say sorry for wasting my time and admit you're wrong.

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91. "Nigga I aint trying to read bitch reasoning. "
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sorry. blah blah blah, I'm hating and loving it, blah, blah blah. Sick fuck.

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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93. ""bitch reasoning" (translation: i'm wrong and bitter) lol"
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can't come up with anything better? maybe it's time for an internet break. go take a walk and get some fresh air or something and a better comeback might come to you.

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88. "Miami = NY Yankees of cheating, while Troy State = KC Royals"
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Just because every program may cheat, not all cheating is equal and the bigger programs have access to more boosters/money to fund such behavior.

It is like saying every criminal should be given life regardless of the crime.

  

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90. "you're letting someone goad you into making dumb statements"
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>michigan's problems with the NCAA is a large part of why they
>have an absolutely abysmal basketball program.

michigan has won an ncaa tournament game in 2 of the last 3 seasons (and was a darius morris floater from being sweet 16), has nba level players on the roster, and is expecting multiple top 100 recruits over the next few years

Michigan basketball is in a great place

  

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75. "Bc it's just sports"
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It's entertainment in the end. And what's more entertaining than watching a big ass blimp explode and smash into the ground?

Fuck TNT. The NCAA Knows Drama. This shit is awesome theater.

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78. "No it's not. It's lives and careers, scholarships"
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for players that won't all get another scholarship offer and for some they'll have to leave the city or area when they aren't able to do so due to family obligations etc.

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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87. "dont be simple. no one has *only* a Miami offer"
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95. "You do if you're a 5th yr senior career bench player."
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Who will offer you? FIU? For a fucking year?

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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97. "if you are a 5th year senior, use your fucking degree"
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100. "Use your degree to suit up and play football for the last"
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time? Huh?

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103. "youre being intentionally obstinate."
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kids in their fifth years of the program arent being blind sided by this.

also, kids who have been riding the bench for 4 years usually arent even offered a 5th year to ride the bench.

so again, i feel no sympathy. you had 4 years to make an impact, it didnt work out, take your college educated ass to the campus job fair.

  

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99. "lol i'm glad you narrowed your already myopic argument"
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to a handful of affected people compared to the hundreds, if not thousands, that are affected by the alternative -- a corrupt inequitable system.

i almost want to take the shovel away from you but i am excited to see the depths to which you can dig yourself

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96. "i enjoy the falls associated with hubris myself actually"
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101. "You ppl are weird. "
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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104. "thats one perspective"
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110. "some people are into football..."
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others are into gossip and off the field bullshit.

college football has now been separated into 2 factions...fans of teams that win and fans of teams that are bitter about not winning. this gives the latter something to yap about.

ive never been a cane supporter but hell if college football ain't a better place when the U is a perennial top 10 squad...who the fuck doesn't miss those epic U/FSU match-ups? without those two squads at the top, ACC football matters very little to me.

  

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112. "^^^truth"
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>others are into gossip and off the field bullshit.
>
>college football has now been separated into 2 factions...fans
>of teams that win and fans of teams that are bitter about not
>winning. this gives the latter something to yap about.
>
>ive never been a cane supporter but hell if college football
>ain't a better place when the U is a perennial top 10
>squad...who the fuck doesn't miss those epic U/FSU match-ups?
>without those two squads at the top, ACC football matters very
>little to me.


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cgonz00cc
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115. "lol the subject of your post doesnt correlate to this excerpt"
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>without those two squads at the top, ACC football matters very
>little to me
Fuck that condescending bullshit of "some ppl are into football..." if you were into football why would you be less interested in teams that are better than them?

Georgia Tech has gotten the better of FSU and Miami since expansion, and done so with NFL players, one particularly badass defense, and explosive offense.

Virginia Tech has gotten the better of everyone since expansion with perennially attacking defenses, homegrown and relatively unheralded recruits, and great coaching.

BC won back to back divisions with meticulous, mistake-free football and Matt Ryan.

FSU has won two division titles and a conference chip so they get their respect too, but there are 3 other teams that have won multiple division titles and 3 other teams that have won conference titles.

If you had experience with Miami fans the way other ACC fans do, you wouldn't feel sorry for them at all. Their offensive behavior on the road and their ridiculous arrogance has me and many many others feeling happy that their endemic culture of cheating has been exposed.

  

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117. "RE: lol the subject of your post doesnt correlate to this excerpt"
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>
>>without those two squads at the top, ACC football matters
>very
>>little to me
>Fuck that condescending bullshit of "some ppl are into
>football..." if you were into football why would you be less
>interested in teams that are better than them?

miami and fsu at their peak>>>>>>>>>>>GT, VT, NC st at their peak

when that latter group starts putting out elite teams year in year out then ill be more amped to watch them play and more excited for their BCS match ups.


>If you had experience with Miami fans the way other ACC fans
>do, you wouldn't feel sorry for them at all.

i never said i felt sorry for them. and my experience with miami fans is minimal as there just doesn't seem to be a lot of them nationally and they never seem to make themselves known when im in the south florida area. i went to the osu/miami kickoff classic in NJ which was something like 10+ years ago and cant really remember anything remarkable about their fans.

  

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189. "That's where it is for me. My teams suck right now BUT"
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I'm not into seeing great programs on the outs.


No way.

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73. "LOL, I am still trippin over the paid abortion"
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I am going for the baby, as we both know the NCAA is not dropping the death penalty on Miami or any other CFB program these days.

  

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77. "What if the baby survived as a Benjamin Button type person"
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And ended up coaching the team under the name... Larry Coker?

*head explodes*

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92. "well we had a nice run lol.."
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fuck me.

just got done reading the article...this is that 10 Robinson was working on alright...Jesus...

this shit spans over 8 years? yea we are fucked to high hell...

lol @ that 5k bounty on Chris Rix. all this shit is believable btw, im not naive, and lol @ all these old ass photos and recipts. Shapiro got the drop on the whole program, there must really be some bad blood there for him to come clean and fuck us over like this, does he not realize how massive the repercussions from this will be?

i feel bad for Al Golden, he is owned. too bad, we were on the right track to being back imo

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98. "LMMFAO...this is the funniest part of the whole fucking post"
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>we were on the
>right track to being back imo

  

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148. "LOL"
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94. "welp so much for the Al Golden era bwhahaha. that's what he gets"
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for ditching TU

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133. "^^never forgets"
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200. "lol FOH...SoBe >> North Philly"
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even a cripped miammi program is a better job than temple footbal.

  

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204. "right today a non crippled UMiami gig isn't better than the Temple gig"
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that's why it was his L for leaving even before all this

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233. "no. not now, not in a million years."
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temple is a dump.
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102. "Players/Coaches (lol) involved..."
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Ray-Ray Armstrong
Jon Beason
Travis Benjamin
Arthur Brown
James Bryant
Calais Campbell
Vernon Carey
Howard Clark
Graig Cooper
Antonio Dixon
Dyron Dye
Dedrick Epps
Kayne Farquharson
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Andre Johnson
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Charlie Jones
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Jerome McDougle
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Basketball
DeQuan Jones


Current or former Miami Coaches/Staffers
Football
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Basketball
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105. "yeah...goodnight canes"
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106. "dude they got individual pages on everybody's dirt"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=ArsjpK7loXnugiFkPET2DcRRMuB_?slug=ys-kellen_winslow_jr_allegations

links on the right.

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107. "lol and audio clips...nm"
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108. "goddamn, that's damn near all the 'relevant' U-RINE players"
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of the last however many years... LMMFAO!!! SOULJA BOY GONNA GET COOKED!!

  

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118. "Dayummm!!! (c) Alkaholiks....I played against James Bryant in HS"
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Dude was an absolute BEAST. Hardest hit I ever took (I was a rb)was from him. Dude legitimately laid out like 4 or 5 of our players in one game. We got the best of them though and won 35-27 in the District playoffs.

James Bryant was at one point rated the best OLB in all of high school. He must of got way caught up in that bullshit down in Miami because he didn't do shit there. He had a teammate, Lamar Stewart, that started as true freshman at PSU at linebacker only to be kicked off the team by his sophomore year. Obviously PSU has WAYYYYYYYY more stringent player conduct policies. Either way, damn, what wasted talent.

  

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188. "the funniest to me was McDookie being The Tipping Point for U players"
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signing with this dude's agency.

Did this guy do anything good in the past decade besides welcome Eli to the NFL?

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

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207. "I'm sitting here dying at the DJ Williams picture"
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109. "Canes fans..."
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2akl6p3.gif

  

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113. "oh shit i'm dying"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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111. "This might be worse than the SMU fiasco."
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It really might. Reading all that was insane. Some Miami fans are going to kill this dude.

And that was hilarious to me that his alias for renting hotel rooms for the prostitutes was "Teddy Dupay."

  

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121. "This is absolutely the best part"
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>And that was hilarious to me that his alias for renting hotel
>rooms for the prostitutes was "Teddy Dupay."

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170. "I nearly ran a red-light hearing that detail on my way to work"
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.

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www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

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173. "it could not be more perfect. "
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114. "The NCAA needs to do something drastically different"
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because this shit is out of fucking control. And the shit is everywhere, any major program could be caught at any time. They gotta do something that will curb this shit. Pay players or something. It's a fucking farce.

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123. "honestly, they need to give someone the death penalty"
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that fear needs to put on the world once a generation.

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116. "This is real spit though"
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>>
“I was doing him a favor,” the booster said. “That idiot might have wanted to keep the baby.”

  

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119. "Wow, This Robinson cat got server's worth of goods"
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Robert Marve http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=ys-robert_marve_allegations via @YahooSports

Yeah, you ain't getting this kind of hookup in WL

  

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Marauder21
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120. "Well, that's a wrap on them"
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The pleas copped on this should be interesting though.

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bshelly
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122. "is this the worst snitching in sports history?"
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direct quote from yahoo article:

“Some of those players – a lot of those players – we used to say we were a family,” Shapiro said. “Well, who do you go to for help when you need it? You go to your family. Why the hell wouldn’t I go to them?”

"But I’m telling the truth about what happened at Miami. It’s the truth. And you tell me, why should the University of Miami be exempt from the truth?”

uh, maybe they didn't treat you like family because you were simpin up their whole town? because they sensed you were using them to compensate for you own issues? that you would start dry snitchin on everyone to anyone who was listening the moment it fell apart?

society may lose the big picture, but we can be better than society, oks. and before we talk about anything else, we have to acknowledge that this moron needs to be an example we use on children on how NOT to act.

fuckin snitches.

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124. "he'd be a terrible person even if he wasn't a snitch"
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fuck him

  

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128. "c'mon."
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>uh, maybe they didn't treat you like family because you were
>simpin up their whole town? because they sensed you were
>using them to compensate for you own issues? that you would
>start dry snitchin on everyone to anyone who was listening the
>moment it fell apart?

They had no problem with him "simpin up their whole town" when he was throwing thousands of dollars at them, buying them hoes, and putting them up in VIP at every major club in Miami.

Let's not try to pretend as if they had a lapse of sanity all of a sudden. They used him for what they could get out of him and then when he got in trouble they pretended like they didn't know he even existed. And that includes every single player and coach, as well as Donna Shalala herself.
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131. "which is how you're supposed to treat a simp"
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136. "then they should not be surprised."
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After all, if they expected him to snitch, and he snitched, then there should be no problems.
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138. "better lesson to our children:"
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that dude who wants to give you lots of fun things, yeah, don't trust him. don't trust him for a second.

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154. "He used them, they used him"
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And now he's throwing them all under the SexYacht because he's emotional and shitty.

I feel sympathy for no one involved in this.

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126. "what a hoe ass dude. they shoulda n/h'd the whole article. "
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what kind of dude makes it his life's ambition to take h.s. recruits out and facilitate getting they d*cks hard?

(bankrolling taking all these young bols to strip clubs).

paying hundreds of g's, when its all said and done, to have some (mostly) big black 'friends'.

hey, come to my mansion and fk these bidges in the spare room, mmkay?

wanna come out with me on my boat next week?

i hate boosters.

thing is, this dude is / was hella blatant with it. but trust and believe some levels of this are going on at damn near every major program.

and a lot that ain't so major.


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127. "i hate boosters, but what i REALLY hate are tricks and groupies"
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this dude was obviously both.

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129. "they seem like predators to me more than anything."
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132. "that too. they're simps who have all the power, and that is bad."
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137. "*LOL* @ predator."
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So was his "prey" yelling "Eat me!"?
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144. "did u peep the quote about him NOT fucking the prostitutes?"
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as if, that somehow makes him look better?

ummm, no, it makes u look about 100x more gay.

  

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130. "I'm not sure what to make of it."
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Part of me is terrified and part of me is drunk and has been away from a computer since 330pm EST. My people over in The Lounge are not happy and I think I'm going to end up that way before noon tomorrow.

  

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134. "The Lounge is all over the place today."
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they can meltdown with the best of em. surprised that theres still so many in denial about it though. but then again that's one of the first coping steps.

apparently there's still more big stuff to be revealed too.

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135. "Safe to say we all thought the '10' was going to be about Auburn?"
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I didn't think it was going to be Miami, at all.


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145. "we naively assume that losing makes u exempt from 'cheating'"
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it doesnt

  

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172. "Auburn's day is coming, my only objection is that Miami is a Top 10 prog..."
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that ship sailed at least half a decade ago.

Since then, Canes lookin' like Chad Henne, crappy & sick.

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202. "wait till the jefferson county shit goes down..."
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and the misappropriation of TARP money and shit.

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139. "Teddy Dupay gave us White Thursday and now THIS!!!"
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140. "^^^^"
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Best part of the entire scandal IMO

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153. "You realize this opens the possibility that Florida Teddy Dupay"
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was telling the truth.

He didn't rape that girl, it was this guy, using his alias. It all makes sense, real Teddy was in love with her.

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171. "And if he somehow did blow off Matt Jones dashboard"
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he will have changed these boards forever

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141. "Uncle Luke responds to the report (swipe)"
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http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/08/nevin_shapiro_can_kiss_my_ass.php

miaminewtimes.com:

>Nevin Shapiro Can Kiss My Ass
By Luther Campbell

published: Wed., Aug. 17 2011 @ 8:21AM

Nevin Shapiro wishes he could wear my shorts for one day. The New Jersey-born Napolean dubbed himself "Little Luke" in a so-called investigative report by Yahoo Sports claiming all sorts of corrupt shit Shapiro committed while he was a booster of the University of Miami athletics program.

The claims even include hooking up football players with prostitutes and buying them bottles at Club Mansion. That punk could never be me.

First of all, I have never been a UM booster. I have never given a dime to the school. I have and always will support the players and the program out of civic pride, but I never violated any NCAA rules when I was the team's biggest fan in the 1980s. And I definitely would not have ever paid for a stripper to abort a baby allegedly fathered by a UM football player like Shapiro claims he did.

You can't be me just by reading a Dan Lebatard article in the Miami Herald from 21 years ago alleging I paid players for hits on the field. The NCAA investigated those accusations and found no wrongdoing on my part. This notion that I was paying players is false. It never happened.

If Nevin really wanted people to see him as "Little Luke," then he would have dedicated part of his life to helping kids in Miami's inner city neighborhoods get a college education. He certainly never started a youth athletic program that has been around for more than 30 years helping underprivileged parents in Liberty City mold their children.

It has never been about money for me. It's always been about community service. That's what being Uncle Luke is really about.

Shapiro is nothing more than a jilted groupie who fucked over a lot people. He is an opportunistic schemer who now wants to play the role of jailhouse snitch. His word isn't worth squat especially if Yahoo paid him for the exclusive. Nevin's mad because he couldn't get former players to invest in his ponzi scheme or come to his rescue when his criminal enterprise was exposed.

I always had a feeling Shapiro was a sketchy motherfucker. I could see right through him two minutes into our first conversation. During one of our meetings, he was trying to get me to be a part of his sports agency because he knew I work with all the kids in the inner city playing football. He also complained that the former players didn't want to invest in his food business after he had bought jerseys and memorabilia to support the program.

He was all about himself. Shapiro wanted to use me like he was using the UM players and other celebrity athletes he courted. I knew to stay away from him. So did Randy Shannon, who warned all his assistants that if he caught them with Shapiro, he would fire them. Randy hated that beady-eyed defamer. Surprisingly, Shannon's name was conspicuously absent in Yahoo's breathtaking 11-month investigation.

The NCAA shouldn't even waste any gas money on this guy. But the investigators have to do their due dilligence. In the meantime, every UM fan should send a letter to Shapiro's prison warden and insist he remain in general population.

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143. "I wonder how complicit Larry Coker was in all this"
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>http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/08/nevin_shapiro_can_kiss_my_ass.php
>
>miaminewtimes.com:
>
>>Nevin Shapiro Can Kiss My Ass
>By Luther Campbell
>
>published: Wed., Aug. 17 2011 @ 8:21AM
>
>Nevin Shapiro wishes he could wear my shorts for one day. The
>New Jersey-born Napolean dubbed himself "Little Luke" in a
>so-called investigative report by Yahoo Sports claiming all
>sorts of corrupt shit Shapiro committed while he was a booster
>of the University of Miami athletics program.
>
>The claims even include hooking up football players with
>prostitutes and buying them bottles at Club Mansion. That punk
>could never be me.
>
>First of all, I have never been a UM booster. I have never
>given a dime to the school. I have and always will support the
>players and the program out of civic pride, but I never
>violated any NCAA rules when I was the team's biggest fan in
>the 1980s. And I definitely would not have ever paid for a
>stripper to abort a baby allegedly fathered by a UM football
>player like Shapiro claims he did.
>
>You can't be me just by reading a Dan Lebatard article in the
>Miami Herald from 21 years ago alleging I paid players for
>hits on the field. The NCAA investigated those accusations and
>found no wrongdoing on my part. This notion that I was paying
>players is false. It never happened.
>
>If Nevin really wanted people to see him as "Little Luke,"
>then he would have dedicated part of his life to helping kids
>in Miami's inner city neighborhoods get a college education.
>He certainly never started a youth athletic program that has
>been around for more than 30 years helping underprivileged
>parents in Liberty City mold their children.
>
>It has never been about money for me. It's always been about
>community service. That's what being Uncle Luke is really
>about.
>
>Shapiro is nothing more than a jilted groupie who fucked over
>a lot people. He is an opportunistic schemer who now wants to
>play the role of jailhouse snitch. His word isn't worth squat
>especially if Yahoo paid him for the exclusive. Nevin's mad
>because he couldn't get former players to invest in his ponzi
>scheme or come to his rescue when his criminal enterprise was
>exposed.
>
>I always had a feeling Shapiro was a sketchy motherfucker. I
>could see right through him two minutes into our first
>conversation. During one of our meetings, he was trying to get
>me to be a part of his sports agency because he knew I work
>with all the kids in the inner city playing football. He also
>complained that the former players didn't want to invest in
>his food business after he had bought jerseys and memorabilia
>to support the program.
>
>He was all about himself. Shapiro wanted to use me like he was
>using the UM players and other celebrity athletes he courted.
>I knew to stay away from him. So did Randy Shannon, who warned
>all his assistants that if he caught them with Shapiro, he
>would fire them. Randy hated that beady-eyed defamer.
>Surprisingly, Shannon's name was conspicuously absent in
>Yahoo's breathtaking 11-month investigation.
>
>The NCAA shouldn't even waste any gas money on this guy. But
>the investigators have to do their due dilligence. In the
>meantime, every UM fan should send a letter to Shapiro's
>prison warden and insist he remain in general population.
>
>_________________________________________________________________________
>twitter.com/LetsStay2Gether
>
>also on Facebook
>
>Back for 22 mo' -- January 2012
>
>HAI HATERZ


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146. "this piece = Dante's f, d, df + L move in MvC3.... aka TOWERING INFERNO"
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198. "LMAO. Naw, this was Doctor Doom's Level 3 Doom Time."
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Especially the part about writing letters to put the dude in general population.

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203. "damn, I hate when he stomps you and OTGs into that shit"
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I call it "The Toilet"
because it looks like Doom is sitting on the porcelain throne whilst watching a hologram projected simulcast of the target getting flushed down with his turds

  

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149. "this is ether"
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In the
>meantime, every UM fan should send a letter to Shapiro's
>prison warden and insist he remain in general population.

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191. "ni&&a just redirected a pipeline of hot lava straight from mt vesuvius. "
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he went IN and yet it was very dignified ether. and yet still had plenty of hood elements.

shorter version: "motherfucker, don't besmirch my character".

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217. "!"
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>shorter version: "motherfucker, don't besmirch my character".

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175. "he (campbell) is trying to make sure HIS name stays clean"
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on some "keep me outta this"

but he does not seem to deny that shapiro is straight up lying instead calling him sheisty and untrustworthy (which he is/was)

I don't think the character of Campbell or Shapiro is the issue (both them cats is shady) as much as: is the UofM program messed up just as much now as it was back in the day?

...and by extension is the NCAA full of crap (if for no other reason than we all know this type of stuff happens everywhere all the time at high profile programs)?

The answer to both is preeeeety much yes

  

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142. "Holy shit!! Now I don't feel so bad about our Oct. date with the NCAA"
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147. "welp, my interest in drafting bryce brown in fantasy has dropped"
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substantially.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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150. "At least when we cheated we won lol *smh@ the abortion"
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151. "mgoblog points out that espn sucks"
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http://mgoblog.com/content/espn-last-guy-earth-find-out-about-miami

i was thinking about this last night. espn's ridiculous conflicts of interest undermine their coverage again.

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157. "That's comical"
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184. "We knew that when they suspended Bruce Feldman"
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for working with Mike Leach on his book

those fools should have gotten rid of Craig James instead


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152. "this shit is bananas."
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155. "Miami would be the perfect school for the NCAA to drop the death "
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penalty on.

1. Miami isn't a school rich in tradition and college football history, as they have only been a national power for about 30 years.

2. They don't have a huge national fanbase and the fans that they do have seem to be of the fair weather variety. They can't even fill the shitty stadium they currently play in.

3. Miami has fallen on hard times over the last decade and haven't been a part of the national picture or title hunt since they lost to OSU.

4. That being said, Miami is still just relevant enough and big enough that if a death penalty was dropped on them that it would raise eyebrows and get other programs attention.

  

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156. "So what do we think they'll actually get?"
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Death penalty wouldn't be inappropriate, but I don't think we'll ever see the NCAA go there again.

But they have to go farther than USC. 5 year bowl ban?

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158. "They will get the death penalty"
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they are the perfect candidate for it for both what they did, they aren't a national elite team, and their name still carries enough weight that it would mean something.

  

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159. "I kinda think the NCAA has killed the death penalty , in the SMU sense"
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bc there's nothing to be gained from completely disbanding a (once) elite football program

>they are the perfect candidate for it for both what they did,
>they aren't a national elite team, and their name still
>carries enough weight that it would mean something.


but whatever hammer the NCAA lays down, it will be the modern version of the death penalty (crippling scholly losses and at minimum 5 year bowl ban)


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160. "There's no way they get the death penalty"
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First off lots of this stuff is going to be hard to corroborate. You're gonna have a lot of conflicting testimony, plus there's the whole issue of this guy's credibility.

Secondly, when SMU got hit, it was the school's athletic officials that were handing the kids money. The school's president and the board was complicit in the whole thing. And even with all that they still didn't get the death penalty when they got busted the first time. It was only when the kept doing that the NCAA forced them to cancel a season.

  

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161. "That pic of Donna Shalala beaming next to this guy in the bowling alley"
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would suggest that the school wasn't exactly blind to this whole thing.

Plus I think Miami would qualify as a repeat offender after what happened in the 90's.

I don't think they'll ultimately get the DP either, but there would absolutely be justification for it.

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195. "the pic of Shalala is hilarious but doesn't mean shit"
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she's accepting a check at a fund raising event from a booster...nothing wrong with that and she doesnt necessarily have to know the guy's bio.

the incident with the compliance official, however, is the back breaker. that shit warrants a restraining order from the university...or at the very least, an investigation into what the dude is up to. letting a booster get away with that is straight up negligence.

  

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164. "Miami is a repeat offender for what they did in the 90's"
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perhaps their administrators weren't as blatant as SMU but enough of Miami coaches for both basketball and football were involved that someone should have known. At the very least they will be guilty of LOIC.

  

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166. "I think the only reason SMU got it was the blatancy"
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The NCAA didn't want to have to do it, but school officials were basically ignored them and kept paying the players after getting busted.

  

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168. "After reading about this, I don't know how Miami officials can claim"
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ignorance that they did not know about Nevin.

Referring to Nevin, "He spent thousands in bona fide booster fashion, too, and reaped the usual benefits: A suite at home games, access to the press box and sideline, occasional face time with coaches and university officials, an occasional seat on the team plane, a player lounge named in his honor."

Certainly, if Nevin wasn't on the radar of the Miami compliance staff and director for all his donations to Miami, he would have been after this incident, "He (Nevin) was the guy who tried to fight the compliance director in the Orange Bowl press box."

  

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167. "Doc Saturday: if this doesn't get the death penalty, then"
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the death penalty no longer exists.

and it may not, but that's the level of infraction we're talking about.

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169. "He is right"
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177. "RE: So what do we think they'll actually get?"
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I don't know. I mean if they go by NCAA rules, then yes, the U would qualify for the Death Penalty. But, considering what SMU went through, I am not sure they really wanna go there. And, Miami is one of those money making programs. I just don't see them going there.

But, again, they would deserve it if the allegations are proven true.

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162. "in related news, Schnellenberger announced he's retiring after this year"
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the father of "Da U" basically.


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165. "A retirement and a funeral all in one year"
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174. "Charles Robinson is the new grim reaper"
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the NCAA Bob Woodward. I thought he was a fairy a half decade ago when he kept spinning that USC shit, but now he's probably the last person you *ever* want to hear talking about your program.

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176. "pretty much"
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182. "It is bonkers how etherous and thorough this guy is."
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196. "I wonder if he takes requests."
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179. "LOL @ Barry Alvarez losing 600k in the ponzi scheme"
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This just keeps getting better and better, from the miami herald joint

  

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180. "Nevin Shapiro Is the Caligula of South Florida's Ponzi Empire (swipe)"
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http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2010-12-16/news/nevin-shapiro-is-the-caligula-of-south-florida-s-ponzi-empire/

By Tim Elfrink Thursday, Dec 16 2010

Nevin Shapiro reclines on a deck chair, pulls his plush bathrobe tight, chews a cigar, and grins. All around him on the wooden deck, hundreds of drunken revelers shout, dance, and ratchet up the sexual tension. They're framed by downtown Miami's silhouette, which glitters atop the black depths of Biscayne Bay.

Shapiro's bayfront pool is covered with plexiglass that reflects the hard glare of a professional lighting rig. Jason Ferguson, a hulking Miami Dolphins tackle, swigs Hennessy and bounces to the hip-hop of DJ Irie, the Miami Heat's beatmaker. Mobs surround open bars and ogle metallic $500 bottles of Armand de Brignac champagne. Packs of gorgeous women grind on the dance floor as Fins linebacker Joey Porter shimmies past. In the middle if it all, Akin Ayodele, the veteran defender whose 29th birthday they're all celebrating, flashes a trademark grin.

It's September 22, 2008, one day after the Dolphins' upset of the New England Patriots, and half the Miami team has shown up at Ayodele's bash to begin the bye week in style.

Shapiro, in his embroidered robe, is making it all happen.

After 40 years in South Florida, he finally has it all: parties with Shaquille O'Neal, Dwyane Wade, and the Dolphins; lunches with police chiefs; and his name etched onto a lounge at his beloved University of Miami. He's SoBe's Jay Gatsby, a self-made runt from Brooklyn who now rules an island fiefdom that he rarely leaves.

Ayodele's party was part of a beautiful, drunken high. But it didn't last. Now, two years later, Shapiro languishes in a federal prison in New Jersey, awaiting sentencing for crafting an $880 million Ponzi scheme in what may be South Beach's largest-ever fraud case.

During the past five years, South Florida has become America's Ponzi capital — birthing Scott Rothstein and Joel Steinger, fueling Bernie Madoff, sheltering Allen Stanford, and incubating dozens of smaller schemers. Nevin Shapiro marks the homegrown nadir of this epoch of theft. Unlike the others — who spent less ostentatiously or dropped their riches elsewhere — he's the epitome of a Magic City con artist: a hard-partying, tasteless, status-obsessed gambler with a lust for harems of girlfriends, famous friends, and luxury yachts.

But lost in all the schadenfreude over his downfall has been any consideration of where he came from — and what his crimes say about the rest of us.

The truth is, Shapiro has lived his whole life surrounded by fraud. His stepfather was convicted of stealing millions decades ago, and his longtime girlfriend and business partner was indicted this past summer for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars by bilking a beauty supply company. He's a violent, unstable liar who nearly blinded a SoBe club owner with a sucker punch in the mid-'90s and threatened his ex-employees.

In hindsight, his life story — as told through interviews with friends, family, and victims as well as voluminous court records — is a neon-lit ode to South Florida's willingness to take immense and sudden wealth at face value, for better or worse.

"A guy like this, you can't possibly throw him in prison for long enough," says Jack Hulse, a Sarasota retiree who lost $440,000 to Shapiro and recently sold a house to pay it off. "You can't convey how many people he hurt so badly, and everyone was so willing to trust him for no reason."

Barely five-foot-six, squarely built, and baby-faced, Shapiro was wedged into the back hallway of the Stephen Talkhouse, a club on Washington Avenue. He had just snuck more than a dozen of his friends through a back door, trying to avoid the $25 cover charge. But Peter Honerkamp, the club's owner, a 41-year-old New Yorker with a handlebar mustache, had caught the group in the act and asked everyone to leave.

"Are you coming on to me?" Shapiro asked, his deep-set eyes narrowed with rage.

Honerkamp, baffled by the question, called a bouncer for help. He turned back just in time to see Shapiro's fist whistling at his face.

Honerkamp crumbled on impact. Where is all that blood coming from? he wondered, touching his face.

It all happened after midnight on April 16, 1995. Shapiro was celebrating his 26th birthday, and the violent outburst followed a turbulent adolescence and early manhood. He would brag about the devastating sucker punch for years — even as he petitioned the state to scrub from his record the criminal charges that resulted.

Shapiro was born April 13, 1969, in Brooklyn to Ronnie and Larry Shapiro, and the family moved to Miami Beach when he was young. Ronnie, his mother, was the breadwinner.

Before Nevin turned 10, his parents divorced. Court records show he was raised by Ronnie alone; it's not clear what became of his father. (A manager at Larry Shapiro's last listed address in a Bay Harbor Islands apartment complex said he had moved out without leaving a forwarding address.)

His mother, a sharp-voiced woman with a thick Brooklyn accent, worked as a secretary for connected South Beach lawyer Howard Galbut while Nevin attended Miami Beach Senior High School.

Yearbooks show that the baby-faced teen played a year of varsity basketball and wrestled as a junior. It seems his athletic career stopped there. By his senior year, his sole activity was participating in a leadership club (where the president was classmate Brett Ratner, now an A-list Hollywood director who made the Rush Hour series and X-Men: Last Stand.)

"Nevin was a phenomenal athlete, actually," says Todd Zusmer, a friend who later played pickup basketball with Shapiro. "He was short, but he was one of the fastest guys out there."

He was also an obsessive University of Miami fan. In 1992, a Miami Herald reporter interviewed the then-23-year-old Shapiro in the Orange Bowl stands during a Hurricanes game. As the 'Canes fell behind , the writer described Shapiro as looking like "a caged animal about to be cornered... a man in dire need of sleep. He looked crazed."

Years later, a judge asked one of Shapiro's friends whether the Beach High grad ever becomes violently angry. The reply: "Only when the Hurricanes are losing."

The year after Shapiro graduated from high school, his mom remarried to a Canadian named Richard Armand Adam. His new stepdad seemed like an ex-pat businessman on the way up — he owned a condo in South Beach and ran a loan company called RAA International that earned more than $700,000 during the next five years.

Adam quickly attracted a partner in Connecticut, opened an office in Fort Lauderdale, and formed two firms. He did so well that the family moved into a spacious house in ritzy Lighthouse Point. Nevin got his first taste of wealth there. Adam bought two yachts — a 38-foot Wellcraft and a vintage, 1963 Roamer yacht named The Mitz — and leased a Cadillac Seville.

A few days after his 26th birthday, Shapiro led his friends to the Stephen Talkhouse after dinner at a nearby pizza parlor. Honerkamp, the club's owner, remembers the gold chains weighing down his neck, the entitled look in his eyes, and the need to make his friends believe he had the power to get them in for free. "He wanted to be a player," Honerkamp says.

When Shapiro was caught, he lashed out as violently as possible. Honerkamp, who now runs a Long Island club, says his eye was gruesomely lacerated by his assailant's ring. He visited five hospitals to find a specialist. "I thought he'd totally ripped off the skin under my eye, but his ring had actually bunched it into a big ball," he says. "He basically destroyed my tear duct."

Honerkamp wore a stent in his eye for a year and never regained full function. Shapiro, meanwhile, hid in Lighthouse Point. When he was arrested two months later, he lined up friends to testify that, in fact, Honerkamp had attacked him. But he must not have felt his case was strong — he pleaded guilty to felony assault in exchange for 18 months probation and anger counseling courses.

"I glared at him the whole time in court, but he never said one word to me," Honerkamp says. "This guy was all about himself. He was just a short guy who wanted to act like a Napoleon sack of shit.

"I'm forgiving, and if he'd just simply come to me and said, 'I did an insane thing... it was in the heat of the moment,' I would have been willing to just have my expenses paid and let it drop," he adds. "But the scumbag didn't have the balls. He has no balls."

Soon after pleading guilty to the attack, Shapiro's home life fell apart. His stepfather, Richard Adam, was arrested on a federal warrant in 1997 in his native Ontario. It turned out his burgeoning businesses were based on a scam. Adam and his partners would promise firms and wealthy entrepreneurs that they could secure loans in exchange for up-front fees. The plan was so sophisticated that Adam would often fly prospects to Luxembourg, where his overseas accounts were held, to seal the deal. But the big loans never came, and Adam kept the fees. He stole almost $6 million that way.

Adam would spend almost six years in Canadian jails fighting extradition before pleading guilty to fraud.

Did Adam's white-collar crime, so similar to the one Nevin Shapiro would commit a decade later, influence his stepson? In a brief interview from Canada, where she now lives with her husband, Nevin Shapiro's mother, Ronnie, says, "Absolutely not. Absolutely not. That case is over and done with. I can't tell you anything else about it."

By 2008, this was the setting for Nevin Shapiro's life: a $6 million mansion on Bay Road with a burbling Spanish-tiled fountain in a shady front courtyard and a pool deck out back that offered 180-degree views of Biscayne Bay and Miami's skyline.

Inside, dominating the living room, was a huge television surrounded by a half-dozen smaller monitors. LED panels shone onto the wood-paneled living room and the vintage pool table. A huge mechanically controlled projection screen scrolled down in front of his bed. Two flat screens were even embedded into the kitchen wall, right next to the two ovens, presumably so Shapiro could bake and watch sports at the same time.

To round it all out, there was the $1.5 million Riviera yacht and the $4,700-per-month Mercedes. Then there were the personal touches like the pinball machine, the vintage tabletop arcade game, and the autographed Hurricanes football helmet. Finally, there were the photos: Shapiro getting bench-pressed by Shaq, shaking hands with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, watching the 'Canes on their practice field.

"I'll always remember the first time he showed me around that place," says DJ Irie, who lives nearby and counted Shapiro as a friend. "He was just a really cool guy. He seemed like someone who was a hard worker and who was really successful."

The house became a centerpiece of Shapiro's business empire, which had started back in 1998, court records show. He had started a firm called Nevco Trading.

The business was not successful. In 1999, Nevco was sued for breaking contracts in New Jersey.

So Shapiro focused his energy on another concern, Capitol Investments USA, which was located in an office building near 41st Street and Pine Tree Drive. The firm bought wholesale groceries where they were cheap and shipped them to more expensive markets. Shapiro pocketed the difference after they were sold.

It's unclear how successful the business was, but starting around 2003, Nevin hooked up with powerful men who would help change his fortunes. They either invested millions of their own cash or brought in rich friends. One was Sherwin Jarol, a real estate maven in Chicago; then there was Craig Currie, an investor in New Jersey; and most crucial was Sydney "Jack" Williams, a real estate baron with offices in Naples, Florida; and Indianapolis.

Williams, a Sigma Chi fraternity member and graduate of Ball State University, had built his real estate company into a $1 billion-plus behemoth with clients from all over the country. Starting in 2003, working from a wood-paneled, old-money office in Naples, he used those connections to funnel millions to Nevin Shapiro.

There's still a heated debate among Shapiro's victims about what Williams, an otherwise savvy investor, saw in the South Beach businessman. But Shapiro had a gift for pitching his plans with enthusiasm and zeal. And the arrangement was a great deal for Williams, who earned a 10 percent commission on each new investor he attracted, according to court filings.

Williams' old frat brothers like Jack Hulse became prime targets. "I'd invested in real estate deals with in the past that all worked out really well," says Hulse, who lives in Sarasota. "I didn't know Nevin at all, but I trusted Jack."

Others in Naples' tony retirement world knew Williams from the golf course (he belonged to three country clubs around town).

Robert E. Nolan is a retired management exec who lives in Grey Oaks, a gated neighborhood of sprawling mansions and golf greens just outside Naples. "Pretty much everyone in this development is a millionaire, and Jack had more than a dozen of us as investors," he says.

Cash poured in to Capitol Investments. Williams alone brought in at least 50 investors, according to court records. In 2005, Shapiro bought the mansion at 5380 N. Bay Road (a deal that set him back $50,000 every month). That same year, he pledged $150,000 to his beloved Miami Hurricanes in exchange for putting his name on a student lounge.

He had an ulterior motive for that donation. Back in 2001, he'd founded a sports management company called Axcess Sports with Michael Huyghue, a Jacksonville businessman who's now commissioner of the upstart United Football League. Their biggest client was New England Patriots tackle and former Hurricane Vince Wilfork, and Shapiro thought UM athletes would build the business.

As Shapiro's wealth grew, so did his standing in clubby, flashy SoBe, where he dropped huge money at Mansion nightclub and Prime One Twelve, his top dinner spot. He even developed a friendship with Miami Beach Police Chief Carlos Noriega. Public documents describe the two eating breakfast together at David's Cafe — Shapiro's favorite meeting place. (Noriega declined to comment on his relationship with the Ponzi schemer.) While the two dined, Shapiro received a threatening phone call and used Noriega as his witness on a police report. No charges were ever filed.

Shapiro later met Holder, the U.S. attorney general, through Noriega. Miami Beach officers also routinely guarded Shapiro's house during parties, sources say.

Then there were his other passions: gambling and women. Securities and Exchange Commission filings show he had "millions in gambling debts." Shapiro would lay $25,000 or more on several NFL and college football games every weekend, says an associate who asked not to be named.

Once, after a big win, a Federal Express box overflowing with cash arrived at the Bay Road mansion. Shapiro dramatically poured the bills all over his kitchen counter while laughing hysterically, the source says. When he watched games in public — often at Lucky Strike Lanes off Lincoln Road — he'd scream at strangers rooting for the "wrong" team, especially if he was losing.

He also juggled several girlfriends, in addition to his longtime partner, a woman named Miriam "Mimi" Menoscal. Records show that he let one female acquaintance charge $116,000 to his credit cards.

It was an exhausting, exhilarating life.

Between 2005 and 2009, he spent $400,000 on floor seats at Heat games. He rented his yacht to Shaq, D-Wade, and Boston Celtics star Kevin Garnett. Lawyers claim he gave Shaq diamond-encrusted handcuffs for his birthday. (The Big Aristotle later told Cleveland reporters that Shapiro had only helped him arrange purchase of the gems.)

Despite the over-the-top spending, "he didn't come across as braggadocious or like he was showing off," says DJ Irie.

Irie also knew Scott Rothstein — the Broward lawyer who pleaded guilty this past January to crafting a $1.2 billion Ponzi scheme. Irie recalls sitting in a meeting with Rothstein at Nikki Beach when a charity employee mentioned they were $500,000 short for a project.

"Without even skipping a beat, Scott was like, 'Oh, I got it. I'll pay it,' " Irie says. "I know some really successful lawyers, and they don't get down like that. I knew right then that something wasn't right. But I never once had a moment like that with Nevin. He seemed legit."

Shapiro stalks through hundreds of high school football players in full pads in the summer heat on Coral Gables' Greentree Field, where the Hurricanes practice. He looks terrible: His clothes are rumpled and stained. His eyes are bugged out in rage. His youthful face is pockmarked and discolored as if he'd lost a street fight.

It's UM's annual summer camp for top high school players from around the state, and Shapiro has been tipped off that an old associate — an assistant whom Shapiro believed owed him money — would be at the practice.

Dozens of players stare, mouths agape, as this maniac makes his way across the field. Quinton Dunbar, now a wide receiver at the University of Florida, stops midsentence.

Shapiro juts a finger into the assistant's face. "You need to start answering your fucking phone," he hollers, waving his arms. A few players tense up, but Shapiro pulls him away by the arm. After a minute of screaming, he saunters back to his car and peels away.

It was August 2009, and Nevin Shapiro's charmed life was fracturing. The Ponzi scheme had begun to teeter. Shapiro promised investors they'd receive 10 to 26 percent commissions every month. Since his "grocery diverting" no longer traded so much as a box of Cheerios, the only way to pay that fee was new money. And lots of it.

The first sign of trouble came a few weeks after the king of all Ponzi schemers — Bernie Madoff, who rigged a $65 billion pyramid — was arrested in December 2008.

Susan Grinwis, a Naples retiree with $150,000 invested, reached Shapiro on his cell. She'd always had reservations about the flashy businessman from Miami. Earlier that year, he had shown up for a meeting at Jack Williams' palatial $5 million mansion in Naples with a street-tough bodyguard. In a crowd of genteel retirees, he looked as out of place as a golfer dressed in plaid at a Lil Wayne show.

"Are you a Bernie?" Susan asked Shapiro, reaching him on his cell. "Please tell me you're not a Bernie."

In the slick, confident tones that had roped in so many, Shapiro convinced her to keep her money invested. His business was legitimate, he said. But just six months later, starting around July 2009, Shapiro stopped paying interest to his investors.

He'd done everything he could to forestall that day, court records show. That same month, he called an unnamed investor, begging for $170,000.

Toward the end of July, Robert Nolan and his wife drove to Miami Beach for a confrontation. Shapiro gave no sign his world was falling apart, Nolan says. Meeting in his simple office off Pine Tree Drive, he was reassuring, telling the couple that a grocery chain was slow in paying but that the cash flow would soon restart. Nolan agreed not to immediately demand his $500,000: " was a very shrewd guy, and we believed him."

But another two months went by, and no payments came. The Nolans confronted their friend, Jack Williams. He told them that if Shapiro went bankrupt, everyone would be screwed. "Just give him a little more time," he pleaded.

By November, it was too late. Sherwin Jarol, the Chicago real estate investor, sued to force Shapiro and Capitol Investments USA into bankruptcy. Three other investors quickly filed suit in Miami-Dade.

Process servers began hunting for Shapiro, who shuttered his office and tried to disappear. A woman named Lily accepted a subpoena at the Bay Road mansion. One server found Shapiro sipping coffee outside David's Cafe, wearing dark sunglasses. He insisted he wasn't Nevin Shapiro until a passing friend ID'd him.

The feds joined in the hunt on November 30, after Jarol filed his involuntary-bankruptcy case.

Shapiro's sham was quickly exposed. In a federal filing this past March, he listed as his personal assets the $5.4 million mansion and $87,897.53 in personal belongings (including $2,750 in scrap gold). His unpaid debts to investors, meanwhile, totaled more than $133 million. The grocery business was worthless.

The search for money quickly turned comical. In a deposition a few weeks later, Shapiro talked about a pair of $120,000 rings. One had "fallen off a boat" a few weeks after he bought it, he said, while the other had been given to someone named "Raul."

More than 60 investors — mostly from Naples, Indianapolis, and Chicago — lined up to file claims against Shapiro. There were big names: Barry Alvarez, the University of Wisconsin athletic director and former football coach, had sunk $600,000 into the scheme; Charles W. Brown, owner of one of the Midwest's biggest Taco Bell franchises, lost $490,000.

Inside Naples' expensive country clubs, panic set in. Nolan wasn't in danger of losing his house, but he says some friends were forced to give up their lives of late-morning tee times and martinis to return to work.

"There's a lot of people hurting out here," he says. "I never invest more than I can afford, but a lot of folks lost their shirts."

On April 21, federal agents arrested Shapiro on a warrant issued by the U.S. District Court in New Jersey, where Craig Currie — one of his biggest investors — lives. In the SEC's criminal indictment, prosecutors spelled out the scope of the crime: An $880 million Ponzi scheme had fueled at least $38 million in spending on the manse, ladies, and gambling.

Shapiro's voice, husky and calm, sounds just after the beep of a voice-mail message: "Dude, it's Nevin. I told you I'd call you at 9:30, and you didn't answer. I called you four times. It's really a lack of courtesy and respect you give me... I think you should answer a call from me. It's the least you could do. Especially from the position I'm sitting in."

Three more calls come in the next three days. By the last one, Shapiro is unhinged:

"Listen up, you fucking white-bread fucking trash... piece of shit. I'm telling you, you fucking better fucking take a call from me, bro. If not, you're going to have to get a criminal attorney, I'm telling you... little cunt. OK, bye."

The calls, made last month from a prison in New Jersey, were left on the cell phone of an associate who asked not to be named. They plainly illustrate Shapiro's desperate state of mind.

After pleading guilty this past September, with a decades-long term possible at sentencing next month, Shapiro is lashing out the only way he can. He's going down swinging.

Despite all the good times, friends melted away after the arrest. On April 28, UM announced it had removed Shapiro's name from the student lounge two years before because he'd stopped paying on his pledged donation.

Then, three months after Shapiro headed to jail, his longtime business partner, Miriam "Mimi" Menoscal, was arrested and charged with running her own six-figure fraud. The pair had co-owned a firm called Benjaminz Properties, an aborted attempt at a hip-hop fashion line with DJ Irie. They had dated on and off for more than a decade, sources say. Menoscal owned many properties around Miami-Dade, including a $4.6 million mansion in Indian Creek. She often sat in with Shapiro when he pitched new investors on business deals.

In July, though, federal agents arrested Menoscal and a woman named Maida Ponce. The pair had arranged wholesale shipments to a hair care company called Deoso Inc. The feds claimed they had kept the up-front payments without ever shipping any product, stealing at least $380,000.

That setup — a wholesale shipment that brought in cash without shipping anything — would sound familiar to any of Nevin Shapiro's victims. But if he had any hand in Menoscal's case, it doesn't show in the court records. Menoscal pleaded guilty in September.

Shapiro faces up to 20 years as well as a $5 million fine for securities fraud and ten years and $250,000 for money laundering; the feds are still trying to sort out who else helped engineer the scheme.

And Joel Tabas, the trustee overseeing Shapiro's estate, has sued Jack Williams, trying to recover more than $100 million he says Williams gained through Shapiro's business. Williams hasn't been criminally charged, but he pleaded the Fifth more than 850 times in a deposition in September — suggesting he has good reason to worry.

Through his lawyer, Williams has maintained that he's another victim in Shapiro's Ponzi scheme. "Please do not assume that Jack's invocation of his Fifth Amendment privilege is any sort of admission of culpability on his part. It is not," Martin Raskin, his lawyer, told the Indianapolis Business Journal in September.

Williams' realty office remains open in Naples. His card is prominently displayed on the front desk, though he wasn't in on the afternoon New Times visited last month. He didn't respond to a message left with his partner. But Williams filed for bankruptcy protection this past September 30, listing more than $10 million in creditors — including several Shapiro investors like Jack Hulse — and $6.3 million in assets.

Still, many of Shapiro's victims in Naples don't believe Williams knew anything about the fraud. "Jack is devastated. He's lost a lot of money and a lot of friends," Susan Grinwis says.

Shapiro, meanwhile, hasn't let his time in a New Jersey prison pass quietly. In addition to spewing threatening voice mails from his jail cell, he called the Miami Herald with a big announcement this past August: He's writing a book.

To be titled The Real U: 2001 to 2010. Inside the Eye of the Hurricane, it will bring his once-beloved athletic program to its knees with information on more than 100 athletes who broke NCAA rules, Shapiro promises.

Shapiro seems to feel burned — by his partners, by the sports agency that never worked out, and by his onetime friends. Now, he's ready to burn them all back. "Once the players turned pro, they turned their back on me. It made me feel like a used friend," he told the Herald.

How much damaging information does he actually have? Only time will tell. NCAA officials told the Herald in August that, if they deem the book legitimate, they'll investigate.

Maria Elena Perez, Shapiro's lawyer, didn't respond to multiple calls and emails from New Times. But his mother, Ronnie, reached in Canada, spoke candidly about the book and her son. "I told him for years he needed to get out of Dade. It's just a little blip on the map full of Cubans... I've hated it for 35 years," she says.

UM should be concerned about her son's book, she says. "There are some people over at UM who are real worried, some really scared people there," she says, chuckling. "He knows some things about some people, I'll tell you that."

Ronnie goes on, her husky, Brooklyn-accented voice rising with emotion. "They don't mean nothing to me down there," she says. "It's a good thing 99 percent of those people know how to throw a ball. You know where they'd be otherwise: Opa-locka, Liberty City, selling crack on the corners. I don't want to sound like a racist, but you know where I'm going with this. Once you're from there, you're always from there."

Shapiro, she says, for once — maybe for the first time — will shake the world by telling the truth.

"He's not in a nice place now, compared to where he was coming from," she says, speaking quietly now. "But every dog has its day. There's a lot of skeletons out there. And they'll all be coming out now."

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186. "was she wearing a pointy white hood when she said this? lol damn"
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>
"I told him for years he needed to get out of Dade.
>It's just a little blip on the map full of Cubans... I've
>hated it for 35 years," she says.
>
>UM should be concerned about her son's book, she says. "There
>are some people over at UM who are real worried, some really
>scared people there," she says, chuckling. "He knows some
>things about some people, I'll tell you that."


>Ronnie goes on, her husky, Brooklyn-accented voice rising with
>emotion. "They don't mean nothing to me down there," she says.
>"It's a good thing 99 percent of those people know how to
>throw a ball. You know where they'd be otherwise: Opa-locka,
>Liberty City, selling crack on the corners. I don't want to
>sound like a racist, but you know where I'm going with this.
>Once you're from there, you're always from there."


>Shapiro, she says, for once — maybe for the first time — will
>shake the world by telling the truth.


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187. "LOL I thought the same thing"
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She even the did usual covering of bases with the old "I am not a racist but I am going to say some racist shit!"

  

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190. "if you have to say this, you are a racist"
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or what you are about to say is racist.

>I don't want to
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193. "anytime you have to preface using that..."
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it's like a dead giveaway.

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194. "He might be the most singularly entitled white douchebag"
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I've ever read about, ever.

And that includes George W Bush.

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181. "Just read the Yahoo article....it's all over for the U "
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183. "Dudes business was to basically screw a few Publix"
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Teddy Dupay musta been the smoothest talker in Miami

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199. "The homie Ponzi is rolling in his grave right now"
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The worst Ponzie scheme ever! Maddof I get, sophisticated NY hedge fund manager doing some complex algorithms you can't understand, ok, I get it. I feel really bad you got took. Giving your money to some guy who was buying and selling groceries wholesale? At 20% interest a MONTH? FOH. Either they're absolute idiots or they know what was up.

  

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192. "NSOT'C>>>>>>SSOTK"
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balllllll 'til ya fallllllll...

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197. "Now I know how Eddie Long's churchgoers feel."
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All the evidence is so damning. Then another damn victim steps forward. FML.


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201. "No lie, I cant wait for Nevin Shapiro's book to come out...lol"
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205. "Imagine... just for a sec... that this ISN'T the 10 Robinson warned of"
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what could possibly be worse than this?

*Jews you*

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208. "it's great. to be. a Florida Gator."
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214. "I've been saying for years that UGA gotta be on roids"
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Because players adding 25 lbs a year doesn't make sense. Neither do our injuries.

This one kid went from like 6'4, 214 to nearly 300 lbs at 6'4, 285.

He did this in a season and a half.

He's always injured and never plays.

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206. ""How can you rape someone you love?" the Real Teddy Dupay"
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looks like Fake Teddy Dupay is guilty of the same thing.

Somehow, this is all Brett Nelson's fault.

*Jews you*

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209. "Sources : Randy Shannon warned team about Nevin Shapiro"
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Larry Coker is a scumbag lol.

http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1253198


The hate / hate relationship between former Miami Football Coach Randy Shannon and booster turned convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro began in Shannon's first days as head coach at Miami.

Sources have told CaneSport that shortly after he was named to replace Larry Coker in 2007 that Shannon threatened his coaching staff with firings if they ever dealt with Shapiro and warned his players about Shapiro multiple times in team meetings during his four-year coaching tenure.

The warnings to players came when Shannon would have discussions about staying away from boosters and agents, talks that may have gone unheeded if any of the allegations being made to the NCAA and Federal Government by Shapiro prove to be true.

When asked by CaneSport to confirm the details provided by another source in attendance for Shannon's talks at the team meetings, a former Miami football staffer no longer employed by the school responded "Absolutely" when asked if he remembered Shannon specifically telling Miami players to stay away from Shapiro.

A source close to Shannon also told CaneSport that Shannon had "spies" around town who warned him that Shapiro was getting into problems throughout South Florida and was a booster that he needed to keep away from his players.

Shannon's rejection of Shapiro was a touchy issue for former athletic director Kirby Hocutt and individuals responsible for fund raising because Shannon refused to even talk to Shapiro, who for some time could be counted on to write big checks to the department.

Shapiro would constantly call anybody in the athletic department that would listen and launch into blistering, profanity-laced and racially-charged tirades at the perceived lack of respect he was being shown by the head coach.

Shannon declined comment on Shapiro or the active NCAA investigation, in which it is believed that he is not a principle figure.

Despite Shannon's efforts, 12 current Miami players have been named by Shapiro as having received illicit benefits from him in the past four years. If the players admit to the infractions or are found to have actually committed them and are suspended for the season, Miami will play with a skeletal team in 2011 and will likely face sanctions that extend into future years.

The 12 players named are quarterback Jacory Harris, whom many expect to be the starter, top receiver Travis Benjamin, top linebacker Sean Spence, top defensive tackle Marcus Forston, safety tandem Ray Ray Armstrong and Vaughn Telemaque, receiver Aldarius Johnson, tight end Dyron Dye, cornerback Jo Jo Nicolas and defensive ends Adewale Ojomo, Marcus Robinson and Olivier Vernon.

The players are being accused of receiving food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's $6 million Miami Beach mansion, playing in a pool tournament for cash there, being entertained by Shapiro at Lucky Strike Lanes including a "bowling for dollars" tournament over a weekend in September 2008 and receiving drinks and VIP access in nightclubs on a handful of occasions.

Some of these charges or the relationships that led to them have back-up documentation. For example, Yahoo! Sports was able to identify 90 calls or texts between Shapiro and Jacory Harris from July 2009 to December 2009. Of course, those records don't document what was discussed, an example of why this situation will likely be an investigative nightmare for UM and the NCAA.
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210. "This just gets better and better"
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211. "we may never know the full extent of this scandal though..."
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bc like USC, Miami is a private school and they arent subject to FOIA requests
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212. "I agree but just the amount of things we have already heard"
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is amazing.

Unfortunately, a lot of these NCAA scandals are a lot like iceburgs, we don't even learn half of all the violations.

  

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216. "ugh"
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215. "It was well documented how much Shannon loves the "
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program and tried to clean it up. I'd be heartbroken to find out that these kids didn't listen to him and the shit fell apart when he tried to save it.

He went through A LOT to get that program clean and to reestablish the "State of Miami" the right way by all accounts I've read.

I'm sick to my stomach.

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218. "You are right with everything you said regarding Shannon and in my opini..."
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That is what makes this report so credible and believable in my eyes.

  

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219. "Imagine the pain he must be feeling. "
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It's probably not about the I told you so's at this point. These young men have their senior seasons taken from them and they represent the change he tried to bring to Miami.

I'm disgusted. For a college football fan this is the worst kind of thing you want to see.

I mean, he did what he could. A possible 12, at least 12, went off course out of 85 or so.

And the entire program will have to pay. We knew they did dirty in the past and he was sent to rectify that. He tried and it wasn't enough.

Horrible. I really hope these kids flirted with danger and didnt actually get in it.

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220. "he's probably pissed as fuck...he's an alum"
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the shit just hurts more in that case.

i feel bad for all the freshman (athletes and non) moving in this year...

under Shannon they barely had any arrests and their apr rate was among the best in the country (http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080510aal.html)

guys were graduating...the only negative thing to come out of there was when Brian Pata was murdered.

hopefully he gets a job soon...in the meantime, we better recruit the hell out of south florida.

>It's probably not about the I told you so's at this point.
>These young men have their senior seasons taken from them and
>they represent the change he tried to bring to Miami.
>
>I'm disgusted. For a college football fan this is the worst
>kind of thing you want to see.
>
>I mean, he did what he could. A possible 12, at least 12, went
>off course out of 85 or so.
>
>And the entire program will have to pay. We knew they did
>dirty in the past and he was sent to rectify that. He tried
>and it wasn't enough.
>
>Horrible. I really hope these kids flirted with danger and
>didnt actually get in it.


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222. "It sucks when a guy gets it right, gets the kind of athletes you "
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can win with and it still falls apart.

I kept hoping they'd turn the corner if only to show that you can do it right, get kids in class and still get the kinds of classes he was getting.

Those classes were RIDIC. It just didn't translate on the field.

I guess him firing coaches and letting players go was a higher price to pay than he imagined. It's SAD to see that it wasn't high enough.

Still cost him his job. It still didn't save the program.

Might as well play ball.

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221. "Most of the "allegations" are rubbish LINK"
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This does a pretty good job of breaking down everything. Of course we aren't clean, but there has been a ton of sensationalizing that has weak evidence(if any at all).
http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/

  

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224. "This guy is invested."
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I don't think it's as bad as people are acting and folks talking about "The Death Penalty" are crazy unless the NCAA breaks it's track record and what we know to be their standing ground rules.

If these 12 are proven to be involved then there will be an investigation. I wonder if they will be suspended either by the school or the NCAA during this investigation (I haven't been keeping up).

Even if ALL of these kids are found guilty they might have to vacate some wins, will lose them for the season and MIGHT get slapped with a few schollies.

I doubt that the latter will happen. By all appearances it seems like the program was trying to avoid this cat.

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226. "On the 12 current players"
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Robert Marve and some other kid who transferred have already been cleared to play and Rob was accused of worse with more "evidence" than any current Canes player.

Yahoo even accused kids of things that aren't against the rules.

Sure we fucked up, but it isn't what haters are making it out to be.


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227. "We'll see how it plays out."
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229. "does that guy know that "one source" means someone other"
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than Shapiro corroborated Shapiro's account but refused to be publicly named?

that's legitimate evidence, bro. and lolNCAA investigationslol.

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231. "I stopped reading there"
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That's some great homerism though

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237. "Well, using one source LATELY has been kind "cool""
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But that shit is fucking laughable in investigative journalism circles. If you've got a cat that can't be named, fine. But then you can't use them as your only source.

You've got to go get other people and evidence that backs up that story or it's pretty fucking useless---unless you're in the Tabloid business or the rumor mill business.

If you do it on a consistent basis, again, without any other corroborating evidence from named and reliable sources then whatever it is you've written about is a portrait, a feature (some or many would say).

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239. "True, but people see "unnamed source" anywhere on here"
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and they immediately think it's Scott from The Wire.

Plenty of credible journalistic pieces have used anonymous sources, the difference is like you said. In the case of this story, there's plenty of evidence.

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240. "Yeah. It's stacked pretty high. A few of the people"
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who are named have a vested interest but some don't have any glaring vested interests except maybe getting 15 more minutes of fame.

I'm a skeptic, always. The combination of history, what look to be like authentic bank records, phone logs, named and unnamed sources, etc?

That shit looks like a smoking gun...with casings.

Either he was doing what he claims he was doing or he was starting a Rap label.

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242. "Shapiro's on record, others are anonymous"
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you don't know that it's only one other sources corroborating the evidence. so this isn't "fucking laughable" this is a legitimate use of anonymous sources. for all you know, those sources are the actual players themselves but they don't want to get caught up in an investigation.

It's Shapiro + anonymous at worst. that's not bad evidence. it's also Shapiro + anonymous + Charles Robinson's reputation and history of being right.

>But that shit is fucking laughable in investigative
>journalism circles. If you've got a cat that can't be named,
>fine. But then you can't use them as your only source.
>
> You've got to go get other people and evidence that backs up
>that story or it's pretty fucking useless---unless you're in
>the Tabloid business or the rumor mill business.
>
>If you do it on a consistent basis, again, without any other
>corroborating evidence from named and reliable sources then
>whatever it is you've written about is a portrait, a feature
>(some or many would say).


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243. "Grown folks are having the discussion above, son. "
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Add on there, if you have a call for it.

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223. "Heard a USC sports radio show out here....they mad"
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sounding real victimized that they received their 2 year penalty, and from their perspective these other situations aren't being handeled as harshly as they were treated....For crimes they say were worse by Miami, and OSU...

even interviewed Pat Haden and he was salty about it..

I don't give a fukk really..lol.

  

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228. "lol @ them still comparing our case to theirs..."
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225. "this fool Frank Haith may not even coach a game for Mizzou..."
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Mike Alden's job is prolly hangin in the balance on this. Even if Frank beats the rap on this 10k check being written, there's still pics of him and ole boy lampin at strip clubs and shit. Alden sold him to the Mizzou faithful as a "man of integrity"...this is gonna be interesting.

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230. "does anyone else not care about this shit, AT ALL"
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first of all... fuck Charles Robinson on throwing some of this shit in the report without any attempt at a second source of proof...

The only thing I get from this story is this shapiro guy is a complete piece of shit and he's probably loving that America is giving his accusations this much attention


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232. "RE: does anyone else not care about this shit, AT ALL"
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>first of all... fuck Charles Robinson on throwing some of
>this shit in the report without any attempt at a second source
>of proof...


Wat? Did you even read it?

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235. "yes... some of it had a lot of proof, some of it though was just the guy"
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making accusations, I think that stuff should have been left out

ie. the stripper pregnant story

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236. "it was a well-researched, well fact-checked article"
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yes there were a few salacious accusations.

but this article was FAR from just "throwing shit out there"

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238. "theres PDF's and phone log convos for christ sake"
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the only thing missing to make it official is players signatures and a notarization...




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241. "Exactly, the same people who are doubting this report are the same"
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people who don't believe in man made climate change and also believe that one dentist out of 10 who doesn't recommend you brushing your teeth.

This is some of the best sports reporting over the last five years, easily.

The sad thing is, most people will only believe a sports report if it breaks on an ESPN scroll.

  

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234. "$5k for Tebows head worked out great for them...."
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244. "Michael Irvin on Shapiro 'He's a snake and a rapist' {swipe}"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Michael-Irvin-calls-Nevin-Shapiro-a-8216-snake?urn=nfl-wp5355

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Michael Irvin lashed out at Nevin Shapiro on Thursday, two days after Yahoo! Sports broke the story about illicit benefits the jailed booster gave to 72 members of the University of Miami football team.
Speaking to ESPN Radio Los Angeles, the former Hurricanes star and Dallas Cowboys Hall of Famer, explained why he called Shapiro a "snake and rapist" during his own radio show earlier this week.

Irvin takes the biggest issue with Shapiro's participation in a Ponzi scheme that bilked investors out of $930 million.

Transcript courtesy Sports Radio Interviews:

"I called him a snake and rapist because think about it this this way…he's snaking people, but you are a rapist. How do you walk into someone's home. Forget football. Forget the University of Miami. I don't care about it. How do you walk into someone's home and sit and eat dinner with them? Watch and look at their kids? Look at all the things in their home that they worked hard over the years to gather and then you take a check and then you go and blow away all of their savings? Man it doesn't get any lower than this."

Irvin says he never met Shapiro but likely would have been lured by the handouts Shapiro awarded during his time as a booster. He also said Shapiro brought down players because of an inferiority complex that made him want to latch on to other people's success.



Loaded terminology aside, all of what Irvin says is true. Nobody is doubting that Shapiro is a dishonest, unscrupulous thief and wanna-be. And, so far, few have criticized the players named in the Yahoo! Sports report.

None of this changes the fact that Shapiro was given too much access and power by Miami officials all too eager to cash his checks without caring about the ethics of the man signing them.
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