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"Mike Singletary is not a good head coach"
Mon Nov-23-09 12:22 PM by OldPro

  

          

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Motivator of men .... yes

Person of character ... yes

Solid assistant ... yes

Head coach .... naw son

It's been 19 games now so I feel like there's a big enough sample size to fairly evaluate this. It's not his 9-10 record that has lead to me forming this opinion... It's that too often his team seem unprepared and he's slow to adapt ...during and after games.

His game planning is just flat out awful. It's like the longer he has to prepare the worse the team plays... Just look at Houston after the bye week and Green Bay after 10 days. Outside of the Atlanta game those were the worst two first halfs of the year.

The dumb penalties and late substitutions are another sign. The 49ers have used at least 4 timeouts this year due to the right personnel not being or getting on the field late. There's just no excuse for this happening that many times.

Now listening to talk radio coming into work this morning it seems we now have an overwhelming consensus Offensive Coordinator Jimmy Raye is terrible. And trust me I agree with this 100% ... but this was Sing's guy. And the reason it's Sing's is because he has a history of running the ball wherever he's been... that was what Sing wanted. Problem is he also has a history of guiding mediocre to poor offenses. They ran his history down yesterday on the 49ers post game show and it wasn't pretty. All but two times the offense he took over put up worse numbers in his first year. He's never had an offense score more than 24 per game and 5 teams were in the bottom 4 of the league. If this was the resume of a winner in Sing's mind one has to question if Sing knows what it takes to be a winner in today's NFL.

For the last 4 games we've watched Sing & Raye continue to try and put a square peg in a round hole. They game plan like they have the Hogs and Riggins even though their personnel is more June Jones than Marty Schottenheimer. We only see the wraps taken off the offense once when we're down big or in the two minute drill ... more often than not it has moved and scored points. I'm not sure there is a niner fan left out there right now that would tell you we are better suited to run the ball. Many of us have been saying this for weeks now... yet Sing & Raye continue to game plan like they are watching a different team.

We're at the point of the season now they may open it up because they have no choice. But just how qualified are Sing & Raye to handle a passing team. Neither has a track record that shows this is their forte... There's no doubt we have a mismatch with our philosophy and personnel... Good coaches recognize this early and adjust (Think Brian Billick in Baltimore) But the fact it took this long for Sing to see the obvious gives me little to no confidence in him moving forward. If he wants to be Fysical with an "F", maybe the front office needs to pick another word that starts with an "F" and he'll be free to go find a team better suited for his tunnel vision.


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he has made the niners watchable...before him..total garbage
Nov 23rd 2009
1
The talent level has improved greatly from a few years ago
Nov 23rd 2009
2
      but who tho?? the same ole usual suspects are available
Nov 23rd 2009
4
           I'd take either Holmgren or Shanahan
Nov 23rd 2009
7
                i could vision either one....but i dont think sing is goin anywhere
Nov 23rd 2009
9
                Unfortunately you're right
Nov 23rd 2009
13
                     whats marty up to these days? does he not want to coach again?
Nov 23rd 2009
25
                this place killed me for sayin the same thing last year re:those 2 in SF
Nov 23rd 2009
16
                if it walks like a duck
Nov 23rd 2009
19
                I'm gonna have to call bullshit on your coach comparison
Nov 23rd 2009
50
                     I'm not saying Sing can't change
Nov 23rd 2009
54
given the talent, if like a Payton or Dungy coached them???
Nov 23rd 2009
3
They won't be super bowl contenders until they fix both lines
Nov 23rd 2009
5
http://www.imageyenation.com/emeyesi/images/ochocinco.jpg
Nov 23rd 2009
28
"can't play wit him.. can't can't coach him.. can't do it.. won't do it"
Nov 23rd 2009
6
Kinda ironic isn't it?
Nov 23rd 2009
8
not to cherry pick but
Nov 23rd 2009
10
I hope you're right
Nov 23rd 2009
11
not really, Billick was hired because of his Vikings success
Nov 23rd 2009
18
who is his QB again?
Nov 23rd 2009
12
You haven't seen enough of this team man
Nov 23rd 2009
15
      RE: You haven't seen enough of this team man
Nov 23rd 2009
20
      I'm not accepting that
Nov 23rd 2009
24
      is Smith better than he was when w/ Norv as o-coordinator there?
Nov 23rd 2009
22
           He's almost a different player
Nov 23rd 2009
27
                Sing is kinda stuck
Nov 23rd 2009
32
                     Sing is stuck because he hired someone like Raye
Nov 23rd 2009
35
Too soon...
Nov 23rd 2009
14
In the spirit of full disclosure I wasn't 100% on board from jump
Nov 23rd 2009
17
      Yeah, I hear you but that's life at the bottom
Nov 23rd 2009
23
           Holmgren aint the answer either...overrated coach
Nov 23rd 2009
26
                and here he goes again....this is all feeling very familiar
Nov 23rd 2009
30
                somehow i knew *you* would show up...lol
Nov 23rd 2009
36
                I might agree he's overrated
Nov 23rd 2009
34
                Ehh....
Nov 23rd 2009
40
19 games IS NOT enough
Nov 23rd 2009
21
Maybe you missed this part
Nov 23rd 2009
29
OP...you have valid points about preparation
Nov 23rd 2009
31
I'm going to the Jacksonville game next weekend
Nov 23rd 2009
33
I'll trade you him for Mora in a heartbeat
Nov 23rd 2009
37
Fuck that lol
Nov 23rd 2009
38
Sidequestion
Nov 23rd 2009
39
LOL
Nov 23rd 2009
41
lmao...Norv finally found the right situation for himself.
Nov 23rd 2009
42
I wanna debate that but I can't really
Nov 23rd 2009
43
I guess either him or Wisenhunt
Nov 23rd 2009
45
Even us Charger fans are finding that hard to believe
Nov 23rd 2009
49
Seattle is learning what ATL did...
Nov 23rd 2009
46
I can tell shit sucks when I see Goro not getting 25+ touches.
Nov 23rd 2009
44
Sing would love to give him the ball 25-30 times if possible
Nov 23rd 2009
47
Raye was not "his guy"
Nov 23rd 2009
48
oh and generally GTFOHWTB
Nov 23rd 2009
51
Charlie Weis will be available soon.
Nov 23rd 2009
52
RE: Charlie Weis will be available soon.
Sep 27th 2010
135
i gotta agree
Nov 23rd 2009
53
I think you're a retard, this is the most competitive the Niners have...
Nov 23rd 2009
55
Unless you've watched as many games as I have you need to pipe down
Nov 24th 2009
56
FOH with the watch games PLEA COP. Who's making personnel decisions...
Nov 24th 2009
58
      You really are slow aren't you?
Nov 24th 2009
59
           no but obviously you're being an emotional bitch that doesn't have...
Nov 24th 2009
67
                Show me where I said Brian Billick was the answer
Nov 25th 2009
68
                     RE: Show me where I said Brian Billick was the answer
Nov 25th 2009
69
                          And that's the same as saying I want him as the 49ers coach right?
Nov 25th 2009
70
                               So who would you like to see as the Niners head coach?
Nov 25th 2009
71
                                    That should have been the question before coming in talking shit
Nov 25th 2009
73
                                         So you don't have any clue, you're just being a whiny, faggot ass...
Nov 25th 2009
77
                                              Same old online bad ass act you've been playing on here for years
Nov 25th 2009
78
                                                   lol, I asked you specific questions about your team that you obviously.....
Nov 25th 2009
79
                                                        I just don't waste time with bullshit
Nov 30th 2009
88
Agree 100% see post 21
Nov 24th 2009
57
for the last time .. this is more than wins and losses
Nov 24th 2009
60
Truth please come back and defend this shit now
Sep 27th 2010
136
this is unfair ... until we get an o-line, no coach is gonna make a di...
Nov 24th 2009
61
Some fair points
Nov 24th 2009
62
As I have been saying for weeks
Nov 30th 2009
89
I'm not sure that he has the best compliment of offensive
Nov 24th 2009
63
That offensive has the most weapons since TO & Rice lined up
Nov 24th 2009
64
      and a returner
Nov 24th 2009
65
           You ain't lyin'
Nov 24th 2009
66
As a niner fan, Ive seen every second of every game and I will
Nov 25th 2009
72
damn i love that avatar n/m
Nov 25th 2009
74
I'd love for Weis to get fired then come here...
Nov 25th 2009
75
I hear and agree with you
Nov 25th 2009
76
that loss to the vikings exposed his weakness as a Head coach
Nov 26th 2009
80
black coach gets 19 games to determine this. LOL
Nov 26th 2009
81
Basically. n/m
Nov 26th 2009
82
looks like he adjusted today. with the AZ loss, we're still alive.
Nov 29th 2009
83
Yep AZ gets funball'd
Nov 30th 2009
85
I would venture to say this is true
Nov 30th 2009
91
      At this point all I want is the Monday night game to mean something
Nov 30th 2009
93
Was at the game yesterday so I wasn't able to post
Nov 30th 2009
87
      so you're saying you didn't heckle raye lol
Nov 30th 2009
90
           You thought the D was stellar?
Nov 30th 2009
92
Does he get to keep his job this week?
Nov 29th 2009
84
looks like Sing and Raye were reading this post ... lol
Nov 30th 2009
86
RE: Mike Singletary is not a good head coach
Nov 30th 2009
94
^Up for those that saw the Seahawk game
Dec 06th 2009
95
sing didnt drop a touchdown pass with 4 minutes to go n/m.
Dec 06th 2009
97
No he just wasted 3 TOs in the first 7 minutes
Dec 06th 2009
98
      all that would be irrelevant had vd caught the pass
Dec 06th 2009
100
      No it would have still been very relevant
Dec 06th 2009
101
      i thought we were talking about winning this game
Dec 06th 2009
105
           This post was about questions I had about Sing as a coach
Dec 07th 2009
110
      a-yo... raye had a chance to correct VD's fuck up
Dec 06th 2009
102
           I think this is real misleading though
Dec 06th 2009
103
                RE: I think this is real misleading though
Dec 06th 2009
104
      He is learning how to win games just as our young players are
Dec 07th 2009
107
           Homie if you aren't prepared on the first snap
Dec 07th 2009
108
                Actually I'm not questioning Alex. I just want to see how he looks
Dec 07th 2009
109
                     No I just I think we need to worry about what is around 11
Dec 07th 2009
111
                          For some reason, it seems like you are implying that I think
Dec 07th 2009
114
                               But what is 11 being under center under pressure going to show you?
Dec 07th 2009
116
                                    I just want to see what he's is made off. How tough he is.
Dec 07th 2009
119
                                         LOL
Dec 07th 2009
120
I saw it and I cant even be mad. The effort is there, the team is just
Dec 07th 2009
106
Down for Craptree turnin into Cringer on that slant in the end zone
Dec 07th 2009
112
      Dude I can't tell you how disappointed I was in him
Dec 07th 2009
113
      He must've thought we still had Hamlin back there @ safety
Dec 07th 2009
118
      That one hurt
Dec 07th 2009
115
up
Dec 06th 2009
96
If ever there was a time for a draw
Dec 06th 2009
99
smh
Dec 07th 2009
117
He isnt who you thought HE WAS!!!!!
Dec 14th 2009
121
Arizona just shit the bed
Dec 14th 2009
122
Arizona sure the hell is
Dec 14th 2009
123
49er fans it's time you come to grip with this
Sep 26th 2010
124
I've refrained from commenting...But my perception is that he's
Sep 26th 2010
125
He's a movie coach
Sep 26th 2010
126
In a world where quarterbacks have small hands, one man could lead them
Sep 27th 2010
137
      lol
Sep 27th 2010
138
they had the reporter removed from the beat. Bush league.
Sep 27th 2010
130
suppose we got a much more competent OC
Sep 26th 2010
127
      Maybe but then you run the risk of losing that coach at some point
Sep 26th 2010
128
just fired Jimmy Raye... that's a bitch move imo
Sep 27th 2010
129
All that doesn't change that it was the right move to make
Sep 27th 2010
134
I don't see any SF fans who AREN'T glad to see this
Sep 27th 2010
131
It doesn't matter because we will need to clean house next year anyway
Sep 27th 2010
132
our qb coach, mike johnson
Sep 27th 2010
133
Sing better hope Johnson is some kind of Wunderkind
Sep 27th 2010
139
yeah its the coordinators fault. lmao.
Sep 27th 2010
140
i dunno if you can blame him for penalties
Sep 27th 2010
141
Lowell Cohn sums it all up
Sep 27th 2010
142
him running onto the field to call a TO said it all
Sep 27th 2010
143
smith is gonna get sing fired
Oct 03rd 2010
144
SF is gonna be a good spot next year
Oct 03rd 2010
145
wouldn't you like to have shaun hill right about now?
Oct 24th 2010
146
who replaces sing though?
Oct 24th 2010
147
i have no idea but...
Oct 24th 2010
150
RE: wouldn't you like to have shaun hill right about now?
Oct 24th 2010
148
I was expecting Sing to ice the kicker
Oct 24th 2010
149
You and me both
Oct 24th 2010
151
Kasay is automatic...it wouldn't have mattered...
Oct 25th 2010
172
Matt Maiocco is reporting that if the 9ers lose to Denver..........
Oct 25th 2010
152
why bother? the season is shot
Oct 25th 2010
153
Yeah, this is where I'm at
Oct 25th 2010
155
The ship has already crashed though
Oct 25th 2010
156
      not much, other than his quizzical episodes of shouting at the refs
Oct 25th 2010
158
           In the end you're right that it doesn't matter
Oct 25th 2010
161
Being honest, they shoulda bounced him after this one
Oct 25th 2010
154
They wouldn't make a change like that heading to London
Oct 25th 2010
157
My problem with them bouncing him mid-season
Oct 25th 2010
159
      Just give it to Rathman
Oct 25th 2010
160
      i mean, wouldn't be mad at that if it happened...with the understanding
Oct 25th 2010
162
      Hell fucking no to Dungy
Oct 25th 2010
163
           LMAO. alrighty then.
Oct 25th 2010
166
                Remembering back to what that Buc offense looked like
Oct 25th 2010
167
                     i'm looking at his most recent tenure
Oct 25th 2010
171
      Isn't Rathman basically Singletary 2.0?
Oct 25th 2010
168
           I'm just talking about on an interim basis though
Oct 25th 2010
173
      I don't think the outlook is good for any of the coaches
Oct 25th 2010
164
           If he falls for that a second time.........
Oct 25th 2010
165
                Yea, I was semi-joking with that
Oct 25th 2010
169
                     I'm not going to be upset if he stays the full year
Oct 25th 2010
175
he's dumb for putting all his faith in bum ass smith & trading away hill
Oct 25th 2010
170
Yeah other than that Sing is a great coach
Oct 25th 2010
174
      well you get a W for calling out sing before anyone else
Oct 25th 2010
176
John York says Sing's job safe for the rest of the season (swipe)
Oct 27th 2010
177
You pissed the bed now go lay in it
Oct 27th 2010
178
Question: Is the problem just the coaching or is the org shitty?
Oct 27th 2010
179
we were doomed the minute the yorks brought in dennis erickson
Oct 27th 2010
180
I'll take it back farther than that:
Oct 27th 2010
182
      Really it was over the minute Young went down
Oct 27th 2010
183
      damn i totally forgot about that
Oct 27th 2010
184
I would say both
Oct 27th 2010
181
pre-emptive ^. fuck that nigga for coaching like he's trying to protect
Nov 21st 2010
185
Niners ownership needs to fire Sing and call Harbaugh ASAP
Nov 21st 2010
186
3rd and 11, Singletary runs the ball
Nov 29th 2010
187
Well 9er fans it's almost over
Dec 26th 2010
188
lol @ Sing's press conference after the Ram game
Dec 26th 2010
189
Since when can't a HC yell at his QB?
Dec 26th 2010
190
      If it's strategically done sure
Dec 26th 2010
191
Sing to be fired, per Jay Glazer (swipe)
Dec 26th 2010
192
thank you and good night
Dec 27th 2010
193
i'd take him on the texans over kubiak in a heartbeat.
Dec 27th 2010
194
He'll get another shot, just not sure how soon
Dec 27th 2010
195
RE: i'd take him on the texans over kubiak in a heartbeat.
Dec 27th 2010
196
^^^What this guy said, what OldPro has BEEN saying
Dec 27th 2010
197
Yeah you have no clue what Sing's about
Dec 27th 2010
199
      lets not forget Belichick's first coaching job....
Dec 27th 2010
201
wasn't the reason he started Troy over Alex was because Troy is a...
Dec 27th 2010
200
      Which would've be fine, if he'd let Troy Smith throw donwfield
Dec 27th 2010
207
           Is Singletary the offensive coordinator? Does he call plays?
Dec 27th 2010
233
probably not.
Dec 27th 2010
210
i wasn't in the interview
Dec 27th 2010
198
I get no pleasure out of seeing all this shit I said way back....
Dec 27th 2010
202
no doubt homey, I'll take my L, but it's really OUR L :(
Dec 27th 2010
211
RE: i wasn't in the interview
Dec 27th 2010
204
Probably the best news outta this is that we're hiring a GM
Dec 27th 2010
203
who was the GM before?
Dec 27th 2010
205
scott mcloughan
Dec 27th 2010
206
yep, Jed absolutely has to disappear on personnel moves after...
Dec 27th 2010
213
if so many people felt he couldn't coach, why did he get the job?
Dec 27th 2010
208
his playing career gave him credibility
Dec 27th 2010
209
I see what you mean but how many HOF players can coach?
Dec 27th 2010
218
because its a shitty organization run by non-football people. fans
Dec 27th 2010
212
RE: because its a shitty organization run by non-football people. fans
Dec 27th 2010
214
OK we got rid of Sing now can we please get rid of the Shaun Hill shit
Dec 27th 2010
216
this isn't bartering fam
Dec 27th 2010
223
Hill was a poor man's Steve DeBerg at best
Dec 27th 2010
224
      RE: Hill was a poor man's Steve DeBerg at best
Dec 27th 2010
232
non-sequitur. 49ers =/= lions
Dec 27th 2010
225
      Well I still say Alex is the more talented QB
Dec 27th 2010
228
           Alex Smith is not a talented QB
Dec 27th 2010
229
                I'm saying he's better than Hill
Dec 27th 2010
230
                     Him and Hill are comparable
Dec 27th 2010
231
                          Oh no doubt he wasn't worth a #1 over all
Dec 27th 2010
238
                               I think time has already told us he isn't a legit starting QB talent
Dec 27th 2010
240
                               We'll see
Dec 27th 2010
259
                               LMAO
Dec 27th 2010
263
                                    we need at least a decade of evidence.
Dec 27th 2010
264
                                    ^^^^^^^team passed on Drew Brees during free agency
Dec 28th 2010
268
^^^post over
Dec 28th 2010
272
Graff I can't answer this question
Dec 27th 2010
217
      at least it will be a step towards equality if Sing gets another job.
Dec 27th 2010
226
           He won't be getting another HC position in the NFL anytime soon
Dec 27th 2010
227
In a way, I am so jealous of you guys right now
Dec 27th 2010
215
We'd have made the playoffs with Norv Turner
Dec 27th 2010
219
      True the Niners should have won the NFC West this season
Dec 27th 2010
220
      RE: We'd have made the playoffs with Norv Turner
Dec 27th 2010
221
      Just so you know I'm going to type "NOT SINGLETARY'S FAULT"...
Dec 27th 2010
234
           Do you actually believe Sing deserved another year?
Dec 27th 2010
235
                No way dude deserved another year
Dec 27th 2010
236
                I can tell you right now they would have won at least 2-3 more games
Dec 27th 2010
239
                I could sit up and what-if the Rams to another 3 or 4 wins too, they...
Dec 27th 2010
244
                     The Rams are not a good football team
Dec 27th 2010
256
                          Oh, I'd be the first to tell you that but lol@the 69ers being...
Dec 28th 2010
266
                               We're not talking potential... we're talking right now today
Dec 28th 2010
274
                                    Smith's QB rating as a rookie was 40.8, lol
Dec 31st 2010
298
                I don't think Sing deserved another year but Truth seems to think
Dec 27th 2010
241
                I'm not acting like Singletary is faultess but the bottom line is he has...
Dec 27th 2010
242
                     He might have a better winning percentage but just like the last
Dec 27th 2010
246
                     RE: He might have a better winning percentage but just like the last
Dec 27th 2010
248
                          Losing to Carolina and getting completely outplayed and dominated
Dec 27th 2010
249
                               I just think you Niner fans are overly optimistic about the "talent" you...
Dec 27th 2010
251
                                    I am not a Niners fan
Dec 27th 2010
252
                                    Remember you said this
Dec 27th 2010
260
                                         "remember it, write it down, take a picture, IDGAF!"(c)Chris Rock
Dec 28th 2010
273
                                              lol
Jan 15th 2012
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                     FOH. did you see the offensive the gameplan aside from the two Ram
Dec 27th 2010
250
                     RE: FOH. did you see the offensive the gameplan aside from the two Ram
Dec 27th 2010
253
                          dog, i never expected him to be walsh at any point.
Dec 28th 2010
280
                               Sing showed himself when he ran off Martz
Dec 28th 2010
281
                                    RE: Sing showed himself when he ran off Martz
Dec 28th 2010
282
                                    RE: Sing showed himself when he ran off Martz
Dec 29th 2010
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                     RE: I'm not acting like Singletary is faultess but the bottom line is he...
Dec 28th 2010
270
                          Dude just named Nate Clements as a "solid piece" lol
Dec 28th 2010
275
                               RE: Dude just named Nate Clements as a "solid piece" lol
Dec 28th 2010
277
                               I can lay two losses right at Clement feet
Dec 28th 2010
279
                                    he's still by far the best defensive back on your roster, but the fact.....
Dec 28th 2010
284
                                         ok man
Dec 29th 2010
290
                               crazy as it sounds...
Dec 28th 2010
286
ARCHIVE
Dec 27th 2010
222
^^^
Dec 27th 2010
237
Wow..Guy does not have a GM, works for an owner who is a joke
Dec 27th 2010
243
yeah, I don't get the whole firing before the last game of the season...
Dec 27th 2010
254
Now this I can agree with you on
Dec 27th 2010
255
The point is owership is showing fans it's as pissed as they are
Dec 27th 2010
257
      that whole scenario is pretty comical considering "ownership" is a lot.....
Dec 27th 2010
262
           Damn near everything
Dec 28th 2010
276
                he's not?
Dec 28th 2010
283
                     Right now no
Dec 29th 2010
288
you clearly haven't watched any games
Dec 28th 2010
269
Lowell Cohn FTW
Dec 27th 2010
245
LOL. Excellent.
Dec 27th 2010
247
This supposed to be the "classless" comment he made??
Dec 28th 2010
271
I'm tired of this dude's act
Dec 29th 2010
289
      if the rumors are true, and jed is ostensibly "conducting a GM search"..
Dec 29th 2010
292
           RE: if the rumors are true, and jed is ostensibly "conducting a GM searc...
Dec 29th 2010
293
           softli's black, so i guess they wanted to get the rooney rule over with
Dec 29th 2010
294
           Former VP of player personnel with the Rams.
Dec 29th 2010
296
           I have no problem with Baalke
Dec 29th 2010
295
unless you sat through every excruciating play
Dec 27th 2010
258
Pretty much
Dec 27th 2010
261
http://splicd.com/B04XbfibgT4/6/8
Dec 28th 2010
265
IMO, he got fired cuz he kept on defending Alex Smith
Dec 28th 2010
267
You mean the guy he refused to start in the biggest game of the year?
Dec 28th 2010
278
      he stuck up for him after the 0-5 start
Dec 28th 2010
285
           It's because he didn't have a better QB on the roster
Dec 29th 2010
287
                DING DING DING
Dec 29th 2010
297
^ for all stah
Oct 18th 2011
299
RE: ^ for all stah
Oct 18th 2011
300
      You mean #243 right?........... #234 is a Truth post
Oct 18th 2011
301
           RE: You mean #243 right?........... #234 is a Truth post
Oct 18th 2011
302
                fandom clouding ur vision, I could be mad at God for taking Reggie White
Oct 18th 2011
303
                motherfucker have you SEEN this team for the past 10 years?!??
Oct 19th 2011
304
                For real
Oct 19th 2011
305
                why his anger come up this week tho? LOL
Oct 19th 2011
307
                     You know?
Oct 19th 2011
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                LOL
Jan 16th 2012
313
I was actually wrong about this part
Oct 19th 2011
306
amazing
Jan 15th 2012
309
Yeah...this is the point that isn't getting enough attention.
Jan 15th 2012
311
most appropriate uppage
Jan 16th 2012
316
Lol
Jan 15th 2012
310
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ewdun9.jpg
Jan 16th 2012
314
looooooooooooooooool
Jan 16th 2012
315
      Alex my dude, i hate it had to be him.
Jan 16th 2012
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LAbeathustla
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1. "he has made the niners watchable...before him..total garbage"
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2. "The talent level has improved greatly from a few years ago"
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The team was underachieving with Nolan last year no doubt... But fire and brimstone will only take you so far. This team needs a proven nfl head coach.
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4. "but who tho?? the same ole usual suspects are available"
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or will become available..wade phillips will be available ...lol

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7. "I'd take either Holmgren or Shanahan"
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Both are proven winners, suit the personnel and have history in SF
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9. "i could vision either one....but i dont think sing is goin anywhere"
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anytime soon...he will get at least a full year with crabtree

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13. "Unfortunately you're right"
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It's just going to hurt like hell to see two almost perfect fits like that go somewhere else.
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25. "whats marty up to these days? does he not want to coach again?"
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16. "this place killed me for sayin the same thing last year re:those 2 in SF"
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19. "if it walks like a duck"
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We're saying it because it's an obvious fit

unfortunately our ownership bought into the Sing hype and now we're stuck
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50. "I'm gonna have to call bullshit on your coach comparison"
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Mon Nov-23-09 05:29 PM by Beamer6178

  

          

shanahan's teams have declined ever since some QB who wore #7 left. the one thing they did well in denver under him was run the ball, but that became about the only thing.

much as i hate the fuck, having favre in his prime isn't a bad thing for a coach to have, holmgren benefited from that but struggled for a WHILE in seattle with getting hasselbeck to conform to his system. he left the packers in what, 99? seattle didn't get there overnight, it took some time and they had lots of struggles along the way.

lest we forget "we want the ball and we're gonna score" ROFL

and i have to address your billick point. he NEVER adjusted, that was the problem. he was an offensive genius who came to a team that was built to excel defensively, although they had a hall of fame TE, a hall of fame caliber RB, and a KR threat every time he touched the ball. they may have won the superbowl in spite of dilfer, but they started the season with banks.

you DON'T RELEASE THE QB who you won the superbowl with. i didn't realize this, but that five game touchdownless streak they had, four of those games were with Banks. Dilfer at least earned the right to start on that team again the following season. He would never have been as good as Flacco has looked, but more time with the offense would have only improved things and the dude has won throughout his career. Billick, who is a very smart man, believed his own hype and thought he could take any hotshot QB and run a great offense.

randy moss running streaks will do that to you.

it became a joke to call the man an offensive genius with the moribund offense that he had, and the only reason he wasn't fired sooner was BECAUSE they won a superbowl so early in the team's life.

billick called the game on sunday and he's very close to sing, sing has great respect for him. and he aloud was contemplating that perhaps SF needed to change the offensive philosophy so i'm sure they'll have words about it.

>Both are proven winners, suit the personnel and have history
>in SF

so with that said, i hear you on the stubborn tip. but i think the fire and brimstone shit has been overplayed ridiculously. it is frustrating to see them show less discipline than you'd imagine a team under him to have. clock management, stupid penalties, things that need addressing. now re: offensive philosophies, that explosive shit with jt osullivan was giving the ball away early and often and i'm sure sing saw that and was like whoaaaa, we are NOT those guys who can do that. but coming into the season, it was the right move to go with the guy who was winning, since despite all the problems, hill managed to do just that, unlike smith, osullivan and all the rest of dem.

now with smith, we're all kind of like whetting our appetites to see if he can do that shit for a whole game and not just when trailing. our defense is still very very good, but too much of the burden is being placed on them. if this offense was even half as productive as it has appeared in flashes, the defense would look even more impressive. but three and outs is a hard way to live.

i c u profiling and nailing raye, and i'm not trying to tell you about what you mean by what you're saying, but it *sounds* to me like you're more done with raye than sing, but faulting sing for getting him in the first place. am i correct?

with that said, i'm nowhere near as done as you are with the coaching staff. it is still just his first year as head coach of HIS team. we can call it stubborn pride, but if you spend all offseason trying to ingrain one philosophy and the team seems to embody another, it does take a bit of reflection and analysis. one can overthink or overanalyze it, look at the positives in the offense as a result of this that or the other rather than just the fact that they're more suited to the spread than a ball control formula.

the thing is, he's big on VD, big on crabs, still a big supporter of smith, all players who have shown explosiveness. i'd analogize him to the dad who needs a bit of convincing before he'll finally let his youngest son get the keys to the car, after seeing his older sons get killed or injured in accidents. i could be wrong, but i think he's going to try to turn the keys over to smith and let her rip, despite the fears he has from all the shit that that pass happy offense with the WRONG personnel produced last year.

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54. "I'm not saying Sing can't change"
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Mon Nov-23-09 07:45 PM by OldPro

  

          

>so with that said, i hear you on the stubborn tip. but i think
>the fire and brimstone shit has been overplayed ridiculously.
>it is frustrating to see them show less discipline than you'd
>imagine a team under him to have. clock management, stupid
>penalties, things that need addressing. now re: offensive
>philosophies, that explosive shit with jt osullivan was giving
>the ball away early and often and i'm sure sing saw that and
>was like whoaaaa, we are NOT those guys who can do that. but
>coming into the season, it was the right move to go with the
>guy who was winning, since despite all the problems, hill
>managed to do just that, unlike smith, osullivan and all the
>rest of dem.

Just that it's disturbing how slow he is to seeing what most everyone saw weeks ago. It's not just Smith that's looked better in the spread ... pretty much the whole team has. Even Rod Brooks said as much on his show today. I understand the whole winning thing with Hill, but if you remember back to the start of the year I said I thought it was only a matter of time before his limitations were exposed... or have we all forgotten the Atlanta & Houston games? Our defense isn't nearly good enough to win with just a game manager at QB. Besides I don't think we should even think about settling for a game manager when the potential to be genuinely explosive is there. JTO throwing to an aging Issac Bruce is just a world away from Smith to Crabtree and the new improved VD (something I do give Sing credit for)

>now with smith, we're all kind of like whetting our appetites
>to see if he can do that shit for a whole game and not just
>when trailing. our defense is still very very good, but too
>much of the burden is being placed on them. if this offense
>was even half as productive as it has appeared in flashes, the
>defense would look even more impressive. but three and outs is
>a hard way to live.

Again I don't see our defense as being nearly as good as you do. We need a playmaker on both the D line and at Safety before I'll say they are very, very good. We're not far away but finding two impact players at those spots aren't going to be easy either. To your point of the offense appearing productive in flashes ... well that's kinda the whole beef I have with Raye. Unless you believe the whole offense just turns on and off at the same time, it's clear the problem is play calling.

>i c u profiling and nailing raye, and i'm not trying to tell
>you about what you mean by what you're saying, but it *sounds*
>to me like you're more done with raye than sing, but faulting
>sing for getting him in the first place. am i correct?

correct.

>with that said, i'm nowhere near as done as you are with the
>coaching staff. it is still just his first year as head coach
>of HIS team. we can call it stubborn pride, but if you spend
>all offseason trying to ingrain one philosophy and the team
>seems to embody another, it does take a bit of reflection and
>analysis. one can overthink or overanalyze it, look at the
>positives in the offense as a result of this that or the other
>rather than just the fact that they're more suited to the
>spread than a ball control formula.
>
>the thing is, he's big on VD, big on crabs, still a big
>supporter of smith, all players who have shown explosiveness.
>i'd analogize him to the dad who needs a bit of convincing
>before he'll finally let his youngest son get the keys to the
>car, after seeing his older sons get killed or injured in
>accidents. i could be wrong, but i think he's going to try to
>turn the keys over to smith and let her rip, despite the fears
>he has from all the shit that that pass happy offense with the
>WRONG personnel produced last year.

Time will tell

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3. "given the talent, if like a Payton or Dungy coached them???"
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yea, they'd be insta-Super Bowl contenders

shitty too cause I want Singletary to succeed

  

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5. "They won't be super bowl contenders until they fix both lines"
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Mon Nov-23-09 12:25 PM by OldPro

  

          

No matter who the coach is

I'm not down on Sing because he's not taking us to the super bowl ... or even the playoffs. My problem is he seems too stuck in his ways and isn't as prepared as his demeanor would lead one to believe.
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28. "http://www.imageyenation.com/emeyesi/images/ochocinco.jpg"
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>yea, they'd be insta-Super Bowl contenders

http://www.imageyenation.com/emeyesi/images/ochocinco.jpg

  

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6. ""can't play wit him.. can't can't coach him.. can't do it.. won't do it""
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8. "Kinda ironic isn't it?"
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10. "not to cherry pick but"
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Mon Nov-23-09 12:40 PM by Flash80

          

billick thought he could ultimately transfer his vikings success with the ravens, and it wasn't immediately accepted by his fat ego. it wasn't until his experiment to bring in elvis garbac (aka "an embarrassment to human kind (c) willie brown) as the golden boy and tossing dilfer aside that the whole thing blew up in his face and he had to reconsider.

maybe it will take Sing a full season as the full-time coach to realize his limitations.

i hear your frustrations, but the Yorks are sticking with Sing. there's absolutely no way they're going to go through another Nolan episode.

  

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11. "I hope you're right"
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Mon Nov-23-09 12:48 PM by OldPro

  

          

Because I know we will have at least one more season with Sing. But I think it's important the media and fan base starts talking about the obvious. Maybe with enough pressure the ownership will force Sing's hand like they did with Nolan bringing in Martz ... Speaking of Martz, the irony is he is more suited to run this offense than Raye. My hope is this off season Sing is held accountable for these moves and decisions.
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18. "not really, Billick was hired because of his Vikings success"
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but Billick understood what he had and coached as such with the Ravens.

he adjusted to the talent that he had.

when they got Grbac, they wanted an upgrade to Dilfer. Dilfer was told "don't f*ck it up", and we'll let the defense win. but Dilfer couldn't generate much offense for you or win a game on his back. But he had leadership qualities and could make a play here or there.

with Grbac, they wanted some more offense to balance and help out their already dominating defense. but what f*cked up was Jamal Lewis getting hurt for the entire year, and so they had to rely on Grbac entirely, which wasn't going to work out, and it didn't.

Billick's undoing in Baltimore was that he was a poor evaluator of QB's he personally hand-picked, Scott Mitchell, SToney Case, Grbac, and particulalry Kyle Boller.

  

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12. "who is his QB again?"
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Montana? Young?

oh, thats right.

Is Brad Childress a good coach?

looks like one now since he got a decent QB.

now, i'm not saying Mike is a good one. Yeah, he got a learning curve.

And yeah, he is more bark than he is coach

but until you get a decent QB, they aren't going to do so much offensively.

you can't open up the offense without a decent QB.

  

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15. "You haven't seen enough of this team man"
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Mon Nov-23-09 12:51 PM by OldPro

  

          

Smith is doing a good to great job out of the spread. The kid has some real skills ... he just needs to be protected and put in the right offense.
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20. "RE: You haven't seen enough of this team man"
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throws way too many interceptions though...even out of the spread...he's better than hill for sure but he's gotta learn when to be conservative and when to be a gun slinger.

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24. "I'm not accepting that"
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Mon Nov-23-09 01:06 PM by OldPro

  

          

When you throw the ball you will inevitably turn it over. All but 2-3 of his picks this year were poorly thrown.

The Sing mindset of having turnover phobia to the point it paralyzes the offense is just as bad if not worse. How many turnovers did we have in the first have vs GB .... none. Yet we were down 20. We turned it over in the second half but won the half by 13 points. Football is a game of chances man ... not taking them is a losing plan unless you have a dominate defense... and the Niners don't.
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22. "is Smith better than he was when w/ Norv as o-coordinator there?"
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>Smith is doing a good to great job out of the spread. The kid
>has some real skills ... he just needs to be protected and put
>in the right offense.

well, thats the question. how good is Smith?


and if you are saying he needs to be protected, wouldn't a run-based offense do just that? especially with a guy like Gore.

spreads are nice, but Mike understands what wins championships (unless you got Tom Brady and the Pats offensive line).

in theory,i understand where he is coming from.

it was a bad hire. Mike has charisma,and you kinda had to hire him,

i was never sold on him as a head coach. he is another Matt Millen. a guy who still thinks he is playing football but fails to realize he isn't anymore and that other skills pertaining to football need to be applied.

but, i think he means well.

i'd say give it time. its his 1st year and let's see how your QB develops.

you guys got potential.

  

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27. "He's almost a different player"
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Mon Nov-23-09 01:12 PM by OldPro

  

          

He still has holes no doubt but he's proven he can throw the ball and throw it with accuracy.

Yeah it would help if we could run the ball... but that's just it, we can't. The line gets almost no push. If you take Gores 4-5 big runs out we would be dead last in the league in rushing. I can't tell you how many 1-2 yard runs Niner fans have seen this year.

If we could run consistently and manage the clock Shuan Hill would still be the QB. My problem is Sing realized he had to make the QB change but wasn't willing to committed to the offense that suits his skill set.
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32. "Sing is kinda stuck"
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if he opens up the offense, thats almost too much trust to put into a QB who has proven he can do that. And if couldn't beat out Shaun Hill initially that tells you something.

also, if your OL sucks, then you can't really do much at all offensively.

Raye may be mediocre.
Sing may be in over his head.

but, the reality is, as you say, your OL sucks at run-blocking and your QB is unproven still.

thats a tough situation to coach out of. Bill Walsh would struggle with that.

  

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35. "Sing is stuck because he hired someone like Raye"
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Mon Nov-23-09 01:35 PM by OldPro

  

          

He wanted a yes man that fit his style ... well now he has an OC that can't run the type of offense suited to his personnel. That's on him. Dude talks about accountability all the time .. well it's time he owns up to it himself.

*edit*
I forgot to address this
"And if couldn't beat out Shaun Hill initially that tells you something"

Hill didn't really beat Smith out. Neither looked that good in pre season ... in both cases it was more due to the offense as a whole. The Alex Smith that suited up in 2009 was judged by the play of a past injured QB with little to no talent around him. Smith was really the right choice from day one ... Sing just didn't want to play that style and stayed with Hill.
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14. "Too soon..."
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Mon Nov-23-09 12:50 PM by Brother Grifter

          

1. I think too many teams/fans are getting happy about the prospect of landing a Superbowl coach, that they don't realize what they have.

2. If they came out in a spread from jump, it would be ugly. I don't think they have the line to withstand a team playing aggressively, not in prevent mode.

3. The defense has let the team down. That was supposed to be the strength, and based on that, the "keep it close" offense makes sense.

4. I don't think they are ready for the big time yet. They've shown progress under him, but they are still in the middle of the pack, that 7-9 to 9-7 middle. They've hung close on the road with better teams, dropped the one yesterday with another middle of the pack team, and lost at home to better teams. If they beat the 4 remaining teams they are supposed to beat (SEA, STL, DET, JAX?) that's 8 wins, and get one against the better teams (AZ, PHIL) that's 9 wins. That's progress after a QB change, Gore being out, and the holdout.

  

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17. "In the spirit of full disclosure I wasn't 100% on board from jump"
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I'm just tried of grooming pro coaches
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23. "Yeah, I hear you but that's life at the bottom"
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>I'm just tried of grooming pro coaches

And maybe your squad is in the middle now.

but I admit it would be nice to see Holmgren come back to the bay in some fashion instead of returning to Seattle.

  

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26. "Holmgren aint the answer either...overrated coach"
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>but I admit it would be nice to see Holmgren come back to the
>bay in some fashion instead of returning to Seattle.

  

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30. "and here he goes again....this is all feeling very familiar"
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36. "somehow i knew *you* would show up...lol"
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34. "I might agree he's overrated"
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He's also been to the Super Bowl 3 times
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40. "Ehh...."
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I just like the story of it...him returning home and all that.

But he does get props for a decent run in Seattle though

  

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21. "19 games IS NOT enough"
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I have to disagree that a 19 game sample is enough to draw a conclusion if somebody is going to be a good head coach or not. Using this sample size the following coaches would have been terrible using your definition:

Bill Belichick and Tony Dungy

Why did I pick these two coaches? Well, their starting situation is very similar to Singletary's. Here were they're records after their first 19 games as HC:

7 - 12 Belichick (Browns)
9 - 10 Dungy (Bucs)
9 - 10 Singletary

Now, let's look where the franchises where 19 games before each of the three took over as HC:

5 - 14 Browns
7 - 12 Bucs
5 - 14 49ers

So, 19 games into their new gigs each of the 3 have a better record than 19 games prior to when they took over. And what you have to understand is that it takes a while to change the culture of losing.


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29. "Maybe you missed this part"
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"It's not his 9-10 record that has lead to me forming this opinion... It's that too often his team seem unprepared and he's slow to adapt ...during and after games"
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31. "OP...you have valid points about preparation"
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But Sings is a great 'defensive' coach and motivator.

And we needed both when he took over.

Now we need to improve our lines (hopefully next year) and get a better offense now that we have a few weapons.

Alex isn't a bonafied superstar but I'd like to see him in an offense that he's given the reigns to steer. I mean, we have to live or die with the guy or move on.

The good thing is, we can see the potential of this team. Hopefully mgmt does also and works to get us the tools to put it all together.

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33. "I'm going to the Jacksonville game next weekend"
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I'm thinking about bringing a sign

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37. "I'll trade you him for Mora in a heartbeat"
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38. "Fuck that lol"
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I've seen enough of Mora as a DC here to know he sucks
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39. "Sidequestion"
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Best coach on the west coach is.....Norv Turner?

  

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41. "LOL"
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>Best coach on the west coach is.....Norv Turner?

damn
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42. "lmao...Norv finally found the right situation for himself."
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43. "I wanna debate that but I can't really"
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>Best coach on the west coach is.....Norv Turner?

  

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45. "I guess either him or Wisenhunt"
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49. "Even us Charger fans are finding that hard to believe"
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46. "Seattle is learning what ATL did..."
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44. "I can tell shit sucks when I see Goro not getting 25+ touches."
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When Del Rio gave Mojo 10 touches one game, I went apeshit. He's the dumbest coach in the NFL.

Then he gave Mojo 33 touches next game, and the Jags won. That's good coaching.

Goro getting the ball 7 times last game? Awful, hideous, horrendous coaching.

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47. "Sing would love to give him the ball 25-30 times if possible"
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problem is he has a shit OL & an OC that doesn't understand how to open up the field to create running lanes
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48. "Raye was not "his guy""
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Raye was the one who took the job...we got turned down by a few people before Raye decided to come aboard.

Honestly, i really did like the Mike and Mikke combo of last year, meaning Mike Martz. I think Sing needs balance and creativity on offense, and it seems Raye is a yes man.
Our team is close, and we should have at least one more win but we are just about right where i thought we would be at the beginning of the season.

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51. "oh and generally GTFOHWTB"
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about norv without acknowledging that he inherited and has maintained a tremendously talented football team. i'll give him props for how they've done in the playoffs because they've had considerable success under him and with major injuries, but let's not act like he built this shit from the ground up.

  

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52. "Charlie Weis will be available soon."
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135. "RE: Charlie Weis will be available soon."
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Boy how ironic is this post after yesterday and Raye being fire today
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53. "i gotta agree"
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at first it looked like he was bringing the most out of these guys but his prep has been really fuckin questionable. fuck jimmy raye and fuck mike martz. someone mentioned they liked martz around...man u gotta be kidding me....alex smith or shaun hill wouldn't even be walking.

i'll give it to you with smith. he hasn't been terrible and of course he still has had a pretty shitty line...i think our d line other than sacks is doing pretty good tho. (granted i missed the green bay game). We really do have the most talent on our roster we've had in a longgg while and it's a shame that it's going to waste...especially on the offensive side. frank isn't getting any younger and VD is having a breakout season.

don't get me wrong...im not completely off the singletary bandwagon just yet and he's probably the last coach i've truly respected since mariucci...but with old ass jimmy raye there the offense will never truly open up.

not a big holmgren fan but id live with shanahan. it's pretty sad that the squad won't make the playoffs because a couple of questionable coaching calls.

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55. "I think you're a retard, this is the most competitive the Niners have..."
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been in 7 years since Mooch left. And that's not to say that Singletary doesn't have any faults but every first time head coach is going to experience some growing pains. Nobody was calling Bill Belichick a genius when he started out with Cleveland.

And as far as his coaching style not fitting in with the personnel, how much of that is his fault? I really don't know who's calling the shots for the Niners these days but for a team to be successful the GM or whomever is making the personnel decisions and the head coach need to be on the same page and it sounds like that's not the case. Generally when someone is interviewed for a head coaching position one of the main things that comes up is what type of offense and defense they plan to run. Most coaches from the defensive side of the ball prefer run-oriented, ball-control offenses and Frank Gore is at this point far and away their best offensive player so it makes sense for them to try to build the offense around him. They're still trying to find a QB. The production they've gotten of of Crabtree as a rookie who missed all of training camp and the first five games and them came in and started right away is remarkable and a testament to the capabilities of that coaching staff. Generally rookie WR's don't contribute like that right away no matter how talented they are. But he still has a long way to go and their not ready nor do they have the personnel to run a high-powered down field passing game. Josh Morgan on the other side is pretty raw too.

The Niners have some talented pieces in Gore, Crabtree and Vernon Davis on offense and Willis on defense but they are still quit a few players away from being a serious contender not matter who's coaching.

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56. "Unless you've watched as many games as I have you need to pipe down"
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because you really have no idea what you're talking about
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58. "FOH with the watch games PLEA COP. Who's making personnel decisions..."
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for the Niners?

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59. "You really are slow aren't you?"
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This is a matter of game planning and prep and you in here talking about the gm

so when sing was hired they should have just turned the whole roster over and passed on crabtree when he fell... foh

yeah how foolish to think someone needs to actually see what's happening in the games to form a valid opinion

do yourself a favor and just eject from this post now before you embarrass yourself more
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67. "no but obviously you're being an emotional bitch that doesn't have..."
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a clue about football. You're complaining about "a mismatch with our philosophy and personnel" and if that is the case that points to a breakdown in communication in the leadership of the organization. And if you think Brian Billick is the answer you're really a retard. Ray and Marvin Lewis won that Super Bowl, Billick was just alone for the ride. He was eventually exposed for the fraud that he is and that's why he's unemployed now.

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68. "Show me where I said Brian Billick was the answer"
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You at that first grade reading comprehension aren't you

That's right you're a Rams fan ....

That explains a lot

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69. "RE: Show me where I said Brian Billick was the answer"
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"Good coaches recognize this early and adjust (Think Brian Billick in Baltimore)"

If you think Billick is a good coach you're a retard.

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70. "And that's the same as saying I want him as the 49ers coach right?"
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>If you think Billick is a good coach you're a retard.

Dude just admit you didn't comprehend what was said and take your L like a man

Or should I have just asked you who Billicks GM was? smh

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71. "So who would you like to see as the Niners head coach?"
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73. "That should have been the question before coming in talking shit"
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so naw ... i'll pass on trying to have any sort of real back and forth with you
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77. "So you don't have any clue, you're just being a whiny, faggot ass..."
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crybaby. Exactly the type of person Coach Singletary would have to put his foot in the ass of.

That seems to be a common trait among bay area fans.

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78. "Same old online bad ass act you've been playing on here for years"
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if only you could be the person you really want to be

you've always been a waste of time ... and you've wasted more than enough of mine already

so fuck you and have a good night
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79. "lol, I asked you specific questions about your team that you obviously....."
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couldn't answer and made specific points that you chose not to address.

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88. "I just don't waste time with bullshit"
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If you want to believe I don't know who the GM is so be it.... 'cause I really don't give a shit what you think truthfully
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60. "for the last time .. this is more than wins and losses"
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136. "Truth please come back and defend this shit now"
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61. "this is unfair ... until we get an o-line, no coach is gonna make a di..."
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I do agree that Singeltary's game planning and management haven't been the best (its been some suspect challenges, substitutions, and Time outs called this year)


Sing is trying to change the philosophy of our team into a running one, and without any offensive line help, it'd be rash to fire him before he gets the personnel he needs there.



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>Motivator of men .... yes
>
>Person of character ... yes
>
>Solid assistant ... yes
>
>Head coach .... naw son
>
>It's been 19 games now so I feel like there's a big enough
>sample size to fairly evaluate this. It's not his 9-10 record
>that has lead to me forming this opinion... It's that too
>often his team seem unprepared and he's slow to adapt
>...during and after games.
>
>His game planning is just flat out awful. It's like the longer
>he has to prepare the worse the team plays... Just look at
>Houston after the bye week and Green Bay after 10 days.
>Outside of the Atlanta game those were the worst two first
>halfs of the year.
>
>The dumb penalties and late substitutions are another sign.
>The 49ers have used at least 4 timeouts this year due to the
>right personnel not being or getting on the field late.
>There's just no excuse for this happening that many times.
>
>Now listening to talk radio coming into work this morning it
>seems we now have an overwhelming consensus Offensive
>Coordinator Jimmy Raye is terrible. And trust me I agree with
>this 100% ... but this was Sing's guy. And the reason it's
>Sing's is because he has a history of running the ball
>wherever he's been... that was what Sing wanted. Problem is he
>also has a history of guiding mediocre to poor offenses. They
>ran his history down yesterday on the 49ers post game show and
>it wasn't pretty. All but two times the offense he took over
>put up worse numbers in his first year. He's never had an
>offense score more than 24 per game and 5 teams were in the
>bottom 4 of the league. If this was the resume of a winner in
>Sing's mind one has to question if Sing knows what it takes to
>be a winner in today's NFL.
>
>For the last 4 games we've watched Sing & Raye continue to try
>and put a square peg in a round hole. They game plan like they
>have the Hogs and Riggins even though their personnel is more
>June Jones than Marty Schottenheimer. We only see the wraps
>taken off the offense once when we're down big or in the two
>minute drill ... more often than not it has moved and scored
>points. I'm not sure there is a niner fan left out there right
>now that would tell you we are better suited to run the ball.
>Many of us have been saying this for weeks now... yet Sing &
>Raye continue to game plan like they are watching a different
>team.



lol .. yeah lets continue to throw on first downs and let our pro bowl running back waste away back there. Gore needs to get his touches or we simply don't win




>
>We're at the point of the season now they may open it up
>because they have no choice. But just how qualified are Sing &
>Raye to handle a passing team. Neither has a track record that
>shows this is their forte... There's no doubt we have a
>mismatch with our philosophy and personnel...


Besides the 0-line where is the mis-match in personnel and philosophy? imo once we fix our problems there, should be no problem accomplishing what sing and raye are trying to do.

We're 0-3 when Alex Smith throws over 30 + times a game btw.




>recognize this early and adjust (Think Brian Billick in
>Baltimore) But the fact it took this long for Sing to see the
>obvious gives me little to no confidence in him moving
>forward. If he wants to be Fysical with an "F", maybe the
>front office needs to pick another word that starts with an
>"F" and he'll be free to go find a team better suited for his
>tunnel vision.
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62. "Some fair points"
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>I do agree that Singeltary's game planning and management
>haven't been the best (its been some suspect challenges,
>substitutions, and Time outs called this year)
>
>
>Sing is trying to change the philosophy of our team into a
>running one, and without any offensive line help, it'd be rash
>to fire him before he gets the personnel he needs there.

To be clear I'm not saying he should be fired at this time... just that he's not a very good coach at this point and time. But the OL thing is a good example of my beef with him. The team can't run block worth shit out of the tradition set... they have not only thrown the ball better but ran more effectively from it too. Continuing to do something that's not working just because it's what you want to do is the definition of stubborn. Right there is my biggest beef with Sing... being slow or resistant to adjustments that are clear as day.


>lol .. yeah lets continue to throw on first downs and let our
>pro bowl running back waste away back there. Gore needs to
>get his touches or we simply don't win

That's just it ... we are letting Gore waste away. I saw a stat that showed we've ran on first down 56% of the time and 72% in the first half ... how's that worked out? The idea off the passing game opening up the run isn't a new one... that saddest part is that was the 49er identity that spread around the league. Seeing our offense go back to the stone age is hard to take.


>We're 0-3 when Alex Smith throws over 30 + times a game btw.

that's a misleading number since the team was playing from behind in 3 of those games. I'm not saying we should pass more just that it needs to be spread out better.... someone tell Jimmy Raye it's called a game plan.

I'm sure Sing is going to be back and honestly I think he deserves as much ... but I don't think we can trust him to pick our next OC.

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89. "As I have been saying for weeks"
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>We're 0-3 when Alex Smith throws over 30 + times a game btw.

It's when you throw not how much... I think yesterday vs the jags put this debate to rest once and for all.

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63. "I'm not sure that he has the best compliment of offensive"
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players yet. And I do think they need to look at the O-coodinator...

I'd give him 1 more draft, and one more season....

  

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64. "That offensive has the most weapons since TO & Rice lined up"
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the problem is the O line... that has to be top priority this off season
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65. "and a returner"
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>the problem is the O line... that has to be top priority this
>off season

outside of not drafting ANY lineman, sing and mcloughan's biggest personnel f*ck up this season was cutting rossum. the revolving door we've seen since has been pretty painful to watch. and putting morgan on kickoff return is too risky a move now that he's a starter.

  

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66. "You ain't lyin'"
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Rossum was not only an asset in the return game but could give you an offensive burst here and there. I was at the Lion game last year when Martz ran that reverse down on the goal line with him.... of course you need a real OC to understand that though.
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72. "As a niner fan, Ive seen every second of every game and I will"
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74. "damn i love that avatar n/m"
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75. "I'd love for Weis to get fired then come here..."
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but I don't think Sing is gonna do Raye like that after one year.

again, all this line talk, i BEEN saying that shit since before the draft and i still feel that way, regardless of crab's impact, that is what we've needed FOREVER.

OldPro, don't be trusting McCloughan to make the hire automatically, he's left much to be desired IMO.

  

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76. "I hear and agree with you"
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>OldPro, don't be trusting McCloughan to make the hire
>automatically, he's left much to be desired IMO.

I wouldn't be mad at a Sing/Holmgren combo.
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80. "that loss to the vikings exposed his weakness as a Head coach"
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and the 49ers ain't been the same. your sentiments are 100% on the mark. who allows Brett Favre that back of the end zone look? I mean had the niners won that game then I bet cash money they are running the NFC West and about 3rd seed in the NFC.

He seems frustrated and he is missing that certain stamp that a coach has. Loved him as a Player,but as a coach he gets beat in so many similar ways weekly. i mean they are losing to worse teams and the 49ers should be where the Cardinals are IMO.

  

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81. "black coach gets 19 games to determine this. LOL"
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82. "Basically. n/m"
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83. "looks like he adjusted today. with the AZ loss, we're still alive."
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AZ's got Favre next
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85. "Yep AZ gets funball'd"
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and we beat Matty H and Foreskin, than that MNF game very much could mean the division. Liked the way the O looked.

  

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91. "I would venture to say this is true"
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if we beat seattle, that Monday night game IS the season.

We got the rams, lions, iggles after those 2.

3-2 puts us at 8-8, 4-1 at 9-7

AZ has the vikes, us, lions, rams and packers.

The pack might be fighting for a playoff spot that last game too so it's a good possibility that AZ goes 2-3 in their last 5 which would put them at 9-7. If we beat everyone outside of Philly (who's still beatable) we got an outside shot at the division.

We have to come to play every game though.

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93. "At this point all I want is the Monday night game to mean something"
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Having one game to turn the season around is more than the niners could have expected a few weeks ago
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87. "Was at the game yesterday so I wasn't able to post"
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But I think we saw once and for all that you can control the ball without running it 60 or even 50% of the time. The ghost of Bill Walsh possessed Raye as we used the short passing game to replace a non existent running attack. After what sounded like a low key player revolt (Word was a few players went to Raye and Sing begging to take the wraps off the passing game) the staff finally fully trusted Smith and it paid off big time. There were a couple shaky passes that could have been picked but there were also 3 or 4 dropped balls ... one of which should have been a Crabtree TD. We also saw Alex can create when put in that position.. the roll out TD pass to Gore being a prime example. Another thing that really jumped out was Smith's accuracy when given time to throw. The Jags D line is flat out awful which along with the shotgun accounted for the time more than better O line play.... but the point is we saw the type of talent Smith possesses. You don't get drafted #1 without physical skills at the very least... but it seems too many people forget that when it comes to 11.

Now as this relates to Sing ... I think this pretty much drives home my beef with him. He was dragged kicking and screaming into a passing offense many of us have known was our best option for weeks. I'm happy we're finally here but that hesitation could end up costing us a playoff spot in the end. That said I'm ok with Sing if he truly has learned from this.
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90. "so you're saying you didn't heckle raye lol"
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>But I think we saw once and for all that you can control the
>ball without running it 60 or even 50% of the time. The ghost
>of Bill Walsh possessed Raye as we used the short passing game
>to replace a non existent running attack. After what sounded
>like a low key player revolt (Word was a few players went to
>Raye and Sing begging to take the wraps off the passing game)
>the staff finally fully trusted Smith and it paid off big
>time. There were a couple shaky passes that could have been
>picked but there were also 3 or 4 dropped balls ... one of
>which should have been a Crabtree TD. We also saw Alex can
>create when put in that position.. the roll out TD pass to
>Gore being a prime example. Another thing that really jumped
>out was Smith's accuracy when given time to throw. The Jags D
>line is flat out awful which along with the shotgun accounted
>for the time more than better O line play.... but the point is
>we saw the type of talent Smith possesses. You don't get
>drafted #1 without physical skills at the very least... but it
>seems too many people forget that when it comes to 11.
well, sometimes #1 can be some mel kiper espnish type shit or a pure system making someone look great, but yeah nice to see him show skill that warrants his high drafting. although i always kept in mind with smith that his lack of continuity re: staff and system was more a contributor to his fledgling mediocrity at best than anything else.

HOWEVER, the jags suck. against a GOOD football team that can put pressure on the front line, we must be able to run the ball. it seems like the running plays still need to be opened up a bit, gore should at least run outside of the guards some more.

they should use him at receiver more, AND the defense looks STELLAR when it gets some assistance from the offense, because i watch this team closely i've gotten a very good chance to analyze it but i'm convinced that most defenses have good or competent offenses that make their job that much easier. i still need us to play out the season, i'm looking VERY forward to the new orleans game to see what we're truly fucking with, but if we can get it done like this, i'm ok with alex, just upgrading our offensive line and get a pass rusher OR impact secondary player, i'm convinced that we don't NEED both, having a front seven cat will make the secondary better and vice versa.

offensive line is 1, 2, 3rd priority though for real.



>Now as this relates to Sing ... I think this pretty much
>drives home my beef with him. He was dragged kicking and
>screaming into a passing offense many of us have known was our
>best option for weeks. I'm happy we're finally here but that
>hesitation could end up costing us a playoff spot in the end.
>That said I'm ok with Sing if he truly has learned from this.
it is easy for us to say, but i'm not mad at him. while it obviously is great when we're lighting shit up, the almost turnovers and big drops could have gone against us and cost us the game, so i understand his overall philosophy in the team not beating itself, which they've done at least half the games this year.

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92. "You thought the D was stellar?"
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We got a good effort by the front seven but the way the dbs played I can't call it a stellar defensive performance. Sitting in the upper end zone I have a pretty good view of the secondary play and it was below average at best. Zone, Man to Man, Double Team .. didn't matter what we went to the Jags moved the ball at will between the 20s from the end of the first half on. It took a few breaks (some caused and some just luck) to keep that game from being a lot closer than it was.

I also take issue with saying the Jags aren't a good team. I hardly see them as super bow contenders but they are a potential playoff team... until we get above 500 we shouldn't be downplaying any opponent let alone one heading to where we want to be.

And the only reason I brought up the couple bad throws is because I believe in being consistent. I've felt Smith has thrown the ball better in some games that he was given credit for ... this time I think his performance may be getting a little over played. I've never thought Alex was the problem but instead a big part of the solution. It seems he's finally being given the chance to show it.
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84. "Does he get to keep his job this week?"
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86. "looks like Sing and Raye were reading this post ... lol "
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94. "RE: Mike Singletary is not a good head coach"
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Hater. give the guy a chance. Yes he's a young coach but he's building a foundation.

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95. "^Up for those that saw the Seahawk game"
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It's basically exhibit A
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97. "sing didnt drop a touchdown pass with 4 minutes to go n/m."
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98. "No he just wasted 3 TOs in the first 7 minutes"
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Played D with 10 men on a key down and watching as his OC called one of the worst second halfs in recent memory.

Sing is about ownership .... well he owns this one
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100. "all that would be irrelevant had vd caught the pass"
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101. "No it would have still been very relevant"
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Because it's been the same shit all year

A VD TD would have just given him some cover
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105. "i thought we were talking about winning this game"
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110. "This post was about questions I had about Sing as a coach"
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I like that he finally woke up to the style of offense we were running but there are still plenty of legit questions about him as a head coach in the NFL. The game Sunday highlighted all of them.

I'd also add that his personnel decisions have been shaky too. He looked at the line we had and thought they could be a run first physical ... sorry FHYSICAL group... he was wrong. He thought Rossem was expendable ... he was wrong. And worst of all he thought Hill was the guy over Alex Smith. I told you all in the pre season I could see Smith was throwing the ball much better now that he was healthy. If I can see things why can't the guy who's job it is to make these decisions see it too?
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102. "a-yo... raye had a chance to correct VD's fuck up"
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but he got greedy. just replayed the DVR. 3rd and 3 from your own 18 with 39 seconds left in a tie game and you call a 9 route? FOH.

listening to KNBR right now and they pointed out that the O-line has only given up 1 sack in the last two games.

  

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103. "I think this is real misleading though"
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>listening to KNBR right now and they pointed out that the
>O-line has only given up 1 sack in the last two games.

I think it has more due to Smith seeing whats coming and getting rid of the ball before the pressure gets there. It's not like Smith isn't getting pressure because he is.

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104. "RE: I think this is real misleading though"
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>>listening to KNBR right now and they pointed out that the
>>O-line has only given up 1 sack in the last two games.
>
>I think it has more due to Smith seeing whats coming and
>getting rid of the ball before the pressure gets there. It's
>not like Smith isn't getting pressure because he is.

for sure. just giving credence to the bad playcalling argument in the second half. they basically handed the ball back to seattle on the last two drives.

the blown timeouts, gore's 9 carries, the invariable deep balls on 3rd and short. where does it end?

jeff hostler >>> jimmy raye.

  

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107. "He is learning how to win games just as our young players are"
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Im not mad at that. I want to see Alex under center the next 2 weeks against the Cards and Eagles pass rush. I want to see if he has really turned the corner and really examine his decision making...

  

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108. "Homie if you aren't prepared on the first snap"
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What does that say about the 4th Q?

Really man I'd love nothing better than for Sing to be the guy but this disorganized chaos is getting old.

And why do you want Alex under center the next two weeks? Is he supposed to prove he can protect himself to? You really need to take your focus somewhere else... this team has a lot of questions but right now Alex is pretty far down on that list.
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109. "Actually I'm not questioning Alex. I just want to see how he looks"
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under top tier defensive pressure since he has been in the gun the last two weeks... He is playing well if you ask me

If someone even mentions Alex you get all hype lol... I actually have the O-Line, Special Teams and a Cover Safety ranked much higher on the list of priorities

  

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111. "No I just I think we need to worry about what is around 11"
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more than 11 himself. I mean what else does the kid have to do to prove he's the best we have and most likely the best we can get for the next 3-5 years? People were talking about wanting to start Nate Davis two weeks ago. Seriously I just don't know what games some folks are watching. We have a team that can't run the ball worth shit or pass protect. We have our QB in the spread not only for his comfort but because it's the only way he has time to throw the ball. He's back there throwing against defenses that know he's going to throw.... add to that he has an OC who is limited at best when it comes to the passing game and all things considered I think he's doing an outstanding job. I'm just saying let's start focusing on the teams real problems here and put this Alex Smith shit to bed ... at least until we can protect him and run the ball constantly.
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114. "For some reason, it seems like you are implying that I think"
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Alex is a big part of the problem and thats not the case. Ive never stated such and I do not beleive that

  

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116. "But what is 11 being under center under pressure going to show you?"
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That he knows how to pick himself up off the turf?

Maybe I'm missing something here ... I just don't get it
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119. "I just want to see what he's is made off. How tough he is. "
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*shrugs*

  

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120. "LOL"
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I've seen him take enough beatings over the years ... I want to see what he can do when upright lol
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106. "I saw it and I cant even be mad. The effort is there, the team is just"
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learning how to WIN games.

It's taking some time but this team is headead in the right direction. Some of the play calls were questionable, the 9 carries was questionable but this team and its coaching staff are growing together...

  

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112. "Down for Craptree turnin into Cringer on that slant in the end zone"
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113. "Dude I can't tell you how disappointed I was in him"
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You want to tell us your great ... that's where you can show us. catch the damn ball.... or at least try to.
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118. "He must've thought we still had Hamlin back there @ safety"
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If he can't take a hit from Josh Wilson to catch a GW TD in a pivotal division game, I'm starting to feel ok about us taking Curry instead of him.

  

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115. "That one hurt"
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96. "up"
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and jimmy raye for going deep on 3rd and 3 on the last position, not taking field position into account.

  

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99. "If ever there was a time for a draw"
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You know the shit he usually loves calling on 3rd down
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117. "smh"
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)just got back from vegas, put a benji on the niners(niners -1)...ughh

this one made me sick, just handed the seahawks the win.

The stupid reverse fumble, gore fumble, the VD drop, the Crabtree duck...at least pwillis balled like crazy again.
Jimmy Raye has been in the NFL for way too damn long to know that at the very least, you HAVE to run out the clock. I mean, we got the ball with 1 minute in the fourth, then we punt???WTF!!!

well now i can go into my annual search for draft picks cause this season is done

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121. "He isnt who you thought HE WAS!!!!!"
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122. "Arizona just shit the bed"
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123. "Arizona sure the hell is"
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124. "49er fans it's time you come to grip with this"
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Stop ignoring the obvious

I wish it wasn't true but the sooner we accept this and bring pressure on the ownership the better.
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125. "I've refrained from commenting...But my perception is that he's "
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very stiff and passive-aggressive...I was very shocked and disappointed when I saw him berate a very respectful SF area talk show host (I saw the clip on youtube)last week. I'd be interested to see how he interacts with his players and coaches...


I haven't seen him coach enough to really make a full-blown analaysis....I do think it's pretty evident that he lacks time-management skills...

  

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126. "He's a movie coach"
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like the whole act looks and sounds like a successful nfl coach... problem is it's just that, an act with no real substance behind it.
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137. "In a world where quarterbacks have small hands, one man could lead them"
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138. "lol"
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I even heard "that" voice when I read that
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130. "they had the reporter removed from the beat. Bush league."
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127. "suppose we got a much more competent OC"
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>Stop ignoring the obvious
>
and that became a consistent presence on the team, one who's philosophy singletary accepted also.

do you think most of our problems would go away?

  

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128. "Maybe but then you run the risk of losing that coach at some point"
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Just find a coach who can bring something to the table xs and os wise... I just don't see much of a need for Sing period
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129. "just fired Jimmy Raye... that's a bitch move imo"
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all the talk about Alex Smith finally getting the same offensive coordinator 2 years in a row, 3 games in you panic and fold to pressure and fire the guy?

How's the defense playing Mike? Are you going to fire yourself after being lit-up by The Seahawks and then White Cassel himself?!?!


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134. "All that doesn't change that it was the right move to make"
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Right now, this team has many, many, many problems. However, one of the biggest is that Raye has stunk at coordinating the offense. So the move had to made, because they can't bench like 75% of the team.

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131. "I don't see any SF fans who AREN'T glad to see this"
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Shit, I am. Next question is who's out there for us to get? Brian Billick? LOL I don't know if he'll settle for being a coordinator again. Then again, I really don't know how good a coordinator he'd be, he had Randy Moss in Minnesota.

who else? I'm not sure of WHICH former head coaches would be content to be a coordinator right now.

  

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132. "It doesn't matter because we will need to clean house next year anyway"
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133. "our qb coach, mike johnson"
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my worry is it's the same playbook, but something has to change

damn this season looking like a wash pretty quickly

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139. "Sing better hope Johnson is some kind of Wunderkind"
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Because he really is his only hope at keeping his job
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140. "yeah its the coordinators fault. lmao."
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141. "i dunno if you can blame him for penalties"
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unless it's stuff like substitutions or delay-of-game type stuff due to nto getting plays in, what are you talking about?

  

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142. "Lowell Cohn sums it all up"
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I posted this in the 49er season thread but really it belongs here. This was written before the news of Raye's firing broke.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. Mike Singletary takes pride in being a blunt guy, in being a truth-teller. Now, he needs to hear the truth.

Hear this, Mike. Fire offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye, fire him after that pitiful showing here on Sunday. Fire him even though you said after the game he will be your offensive coordinator all season. Just fire him. If you dont, then re-assign him to a subordinate position. Make him second banana to someone who knows offense.

Does that sound harsh? Well, thats too bad. You live in a harsh world, a win-or-lose world and now you are 0-3 and after next week in Atlanta, you will be 0-4. Count on it. Theres a good chance youll go 0-5. You need a new offensive coordinator and you need him fast.

The pity of it, Mike, is you have more offensive talent than Kansas City. Anyone can see that. Vernon Davis is a mismatch against every defensive player he encounters. But Raye doesnt know how to use him or any of your players. Hes color-blind in a Technicolor world. Replace him while you still have a job.

Compare his work to the combination of the Chiefs Todd Haley and Charlie Weis.

Their team has limited talent. But they use what they have, use it with imagination and flare. Their game plan was a pleasure to watch, like that double-flea-flicker watchamacallit they used, the ball going back to quarterback Matt Cassell and Cassell throwing a 45-yard touchdown pass to Dwayne Bowe.

Raye never would call a play like that. All he understands is Frank Gore up the middle about a million times mixed with a few screen passes. That dull play calling passes for daring with him. He lacks the nerve the Chiefs demonstrated every minute of the game.

Face it, Mike, the Chiefs took it to you all day. They were the aggressors. For all your big words and your tough-guy posturing, you absorbed whatever they gave you, just accepted it. You never once dictated the agenda or dominated the fight or were even in the fight. The Chiefs beat you up.

I admit Im coming down hard on Rayes ability. But hes not the biggest problem.

This you need to understand. You are the big problem. I mean nothing personal by this. I like you as a man, but as a head coach you are lacking. I must say that.

I dont believe you know the first thing about offensive football. If you did, you never could have accepted Raye on your staff. Your main offensive philosophy is balance. That translates as stodgy and predictable. You are decades behind the times and dont even know it. Thats why Scott Linehan, a fine offensive coordinator, did not choose to work with you. He went to Detroit of all places. He rejected you and the Niners because he saw where this was headed.

You are a will coach. You have a strong will and you try to jam your will into your players hearts, make them Junior Singletaries. It doesnt work that way.

Football is not a will sport or a bludgeoning sport. It is a precision sport and you dont know the precise dimensions of football.

Take what happened immediately after the Chiefs game. You strode into the interview room and admitted your team played like junk. That was to be expected.

You are not, after all, a crazy person. When the media asked what went wrong, you said, I dont know. It could be a number of things. You actually said, I dont know.

Do you think after the wheels came off the wagon Bill Walsh would have said, I dont know? He could have recited his offenses problems chapter and verse, and he never would have trusted his offense to Raye.

One reporter asked if you were you out-coached.

I would not say we were out-coached, you replied. In a loss like this a lot of things look wrong.

Mike, you were out-coached. It was worse than that. You got embarrassed out there. You and Raye were taken to school by professionals who know their business. If Haley coached your team with all its talent and if you coached the Chiefs, he would have beaten you 55-7.

I dont mean to be unkind with you, but you would be frank with a linebacker who failed to make a play. You dont know whats wrong with your team, dont possess the knowledge to assess whats wrong.

You are a head coach who does not know how to be a head coach - you are living in a stage play and in this play youve been given the role of head coach. You certainly look the part and have a good speaking voice. But in the NFL, a savvy owner would not hire you. The savvy owner would hire Bill Belichick even though he doesnt look like a head coach . He looks like he just crawled out of the hamper. Its just that Belichick really knows how to coach and Im afraid you dont.

After the game, you said other stuff that amazes me. Asked if the problem with the offense is philosophy or execution, you said, I think its execution. Its just one of those things. A coach can call a play. The bottom line is youve got to execute.

I dont trust your answer. I dont think youd know a bad offensive philosophy which you have if it bit you on the neck. Youre laying off blame on the players they didnt execute when the blame falls 100 percent on you.

You also said, The start (of the season) is not that important. Obviously, we want to be better than 0-3 right now. I feel we have a good football team. There were some things in the first three games that just havent quite gone the way youd want them to go. The season is still early and we have to make some hard decisions early on and get back on the right track.

Coach, the season is not early. Its almost one-fifth over and you have no wins.

You cant keep using the early excuse and you cant claim things havent gone your way. You didnt make them go your way. You are the agent of your own sad fate.

I conclude with this quote from Vernon Davis, your chief acolyte. Asked what the 49ers need to do, he said, Thats not my ballpark. Ill let coach Singletary deal with that. Hes the head coach, he makes the decisions. Whatever decisions he makes Ill support.

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143. "him running onto the field to call a TO said it all"
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hes an awful coach

  

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144. "smith is gonna get sing fired"
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after watching the post game presser on the "point after", i actually feel bad for samurai mike.

it's probably more pity than anything.

the problem is we don't know what we got in a backup QB...other than a re-tread and some guy from OSU.

  

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145. "SF is gonna be a good spot next year"
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Some coach is going to take advantage of a good situation this winter.

  

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146. "wouldn't you like to have shaun hill right about now?"
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for starters, sing should be canned for shipping off a servicable backup so smith wouldn't have to look over his (*cough*) shoulder anymore.

maiocco and local media say jed's not making any changes during the season and is gonna let it play out, but i gotta believe sing's done by the bye week.

  

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147. "who replaces sing though?"
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Manusky? If so, who becomes DC?

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150. "i have no idea but..."
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i know they ain't doing anything on this london trip.

i'm wondering if we see another mike nolan episode where sing's exit gets leaked to the media and jed has to pull the trigger due to the press piling on.

i'm actually in favor of lame duck status to hold out for gruden or even harbaugh after a rose bowl win. i'm not sure about handing manusky the reigns to stop the bleeding, although i think he could take the buddy ryan approach and still have a huge hand in the D.

either way, i'm watching the "point after" post-game show now and sing looks like a beaten man.

  

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148. "RE: wouldn't you like to have shaun hill right about now?"
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>for starters, sing should be canned for shipping off a
>servicable backup so smith wouldn't have to look over his
>(*cough*) shoulder anymore.
>
>maiocco and local media say jed's not making any changes
>during the season and is gonna let it play out, but i gotta
>believe sing's done by the bye week.
that's cause with a bum ass record we'll be able to get better draft picks. i'm ok with it, not with tanking, but letting this ship sink all the way to the bottom.

  

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149. "I was expecting Sing to ice the kicker"
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thats when i realized how far my opinion of him had sunk. I was just waiting for him to call the TO and leave us with 43 secs and no timeouts left.

  

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151. "You and me both"
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My opinion of dude can't go much lower though

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172. "Kasay is automatic...it wouldn't have mattered..."
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don't knock him for not doing it...

  

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152. "Matt Maiocco is reporting that if the 9ers lose to Denver.........."
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Sing is gone. With the bye week coming up that would seem to be the time to make a move if they were planning on it.
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153. "why bother? the season is shot"
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i say let it all play out and go for draft picks

i agree with what you said before OP, let the whole damn ship crash and burn so that we're totally exposed and can fix this shit the right way.

  

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155. "Yeah, this is where I'm at"
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Best chance is go for draft position and find the right fit during the off-season. No reason to promote someone they'll just end up getting rid of again once the season is over.

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156. "The ship has already crashed though"
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gas is leaking and the next spark is going to set it on fire. I would like to see what things looked like without Sing in the mix if only to satisfy my own curiosity.
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158. "not much, other than his quizzical episodes of shouting at the refs"
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>I would like to see what things looked like without Sing in
>the mix if only to satisfy my own curiosity.

other that that, i wouldn't expect to see them all of the sudden turn into the Colts and throw for 350 a game in victory like you've wanted all season.

half a season under someone else isn't going to stop the dumb ass pentaltes either.

mike nolan was a lot more hated than sing, because invariably he wasn't culpable for shit, so that's why the team really rallied around sing as the interim to close out the '08 season at 5-1. oh, that and benching jt o'suck-ivan.

  

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161. "In the end you're right that it doesn't matter"
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but at least we wouldn't have to look at that fool anymore
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154. "Being honest, they shoulda bounced him after this one"
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Carolina? Really?

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157. "They wouldn't make a change like that heading to London"
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but should they lose there it's the perfect time with the bye coming and all.
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159. "My problem with them bouncing him mid-season"
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meand whoever gets the nod to move up is done with the team at the end of the season, because they will not be staying on and most likely won't take a step back into there old position. I guess i would be ok with Manusky maybe getting it as our D has been subpar for the talent we have in the front 7, but i still don't know if i would want to lose him. So who would they bring up to fill Sing's shoes? All i know is i was originally against Andrew Luck as another high QB draft pick, but i wouldn't mind it now. I would also like that kid Prince from Nebraska. Its a sad thing that i am already starting to think about the draft.

  

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160. "Just give it to Rathman"
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Seriously what could it hurt
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162. "i mean, wouldn't be mad at that if it happened...with the understanding"
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that he goes back to RB's coach at season's end. it would be definitely be a nostalgic fan favorite.

btw, aside from chucky and getting back to 49er football, what do ya'll think about tony dungy? he's only 55 and i wonder if he wants to get back on the field.

i'm not a fan of another defensive-minded coach either, but he's a revered leader of men and a proven winner who can delegate. and he did let tom moore do his thang in indy. but i also understand that peyton manning =/= alex smith.

  

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163. "Hell fucking no to Dungy"
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Especially after this Sing debacle. We need an xs and 0s coach and not another motivator of men.

I'll be so pissed if they hire a Tony Dungy you don't even know
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166. "LMAO. alrighty then. "
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dungy was d-coordinator for the vikes and steelers, so i think that qualifies him as an X's and O's guy.

the biggest difference between him and sing is stubbornness and their willingness to adapt (he didn't come into indy and try to go smashmouth),

if you think about it, you can almost credit dungy for TWO SB wins.

  

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167. "Remembering back to what that Buc offense looked like "
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I'm cool... I really don't want to be going through another critical OC hunt

We need an offensive guy if for nothing more than to make this next regime as different as possible from Sing. Give me a hard drinking, womanizing, atheist with a passing attack and I'm good.
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171. "i'm looking at his most recent tenure"
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for the record, if sing gets wacked, i'm all for gruden next year

we got the horses at the skill positions to fit the WCO system perfectly, especially gore...and westbrook if he sticks around.

but one thing is certain, alex (and carr) absolutely cannot be on the roster next year. it's time to move on and we shouldn't have to wait yet another year for the kid to reach his supposed apex. no respectable franchise in the league waits around 7 years for someone. bill walsh and bob mckittrick are rolling in their fuckin graves right now.

  

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168. "Isn't Rathman basically Singletary 2.0?"
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Revered tough guy from his playing days who made the transition to coaching the same position he played. Has never really showed any aptitude for the X's and O's and has very limited experience running any part of a team. Would basically be getting the job based on attitude and past glory as a player.

  

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173. "I'm just talking about on an interim basis though"
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You might be right about the rest but at least hes not Sing and has a history with the franchise. But in the end all we're talking about here is who can keep the seat warm for the next coach.
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164. "I don't think the outlook is good for any of the coaches"
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The 49ers have been so bad for so long now, and the team underachieved so much this year that I think any outside hire would probably only consider taking the head coach job if they could pick their own staff. Maybe some of the position coaches would get a chance to stay but I think Johnson and Manusky are pretty much toast.

My only concern with firing Singletary in the middle of the season is the outside chance of the combination of: Singletary being that bad of a coach, the shake up serving as a wake up call to some of our players, and the patheticness of our second half schedule, leading the team to do something crazy like finish 6-2 or 5-3 under the interim coach and the York's getting suckered into not cleaning house at the end of the year.

  

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165. "If he falls for that a second time........."
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>My only concern with firing Singletary in the middle of the
>season is the outside chance of the combination of:
>Singletary being that bad of a coach, the shake up serving as
>a wake up call to some of our players, and the patheticness of
>our second half schedule, leading the team to do something
>crazy like finish 6-2 or 5-3 under the interim coach and the
>York's getting suckered into not cleaning house at the end of
>the year.

then he's a bigger fool than his daddy is

and I'm good with a new coach bringing his own people in... hell I prefer it

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169. "Yea, I was semi-joking with that"
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I really don't think anybody on this staff is capable of earning the full time job no matter how the team plays down the stretch, even Jed has to know that the team needs a fresh start.

Honestly, I wouldn't really be upset if Singletary got let go after London but I'm not actively calling for it because I guess I don't really see any upside in making a move. There is nobody on this staff who I really think would make much of a difference. Also, while Raye definitely needed to go and Sing is on his way out as well, I am a little concerned that losing to of your most senior coaches during a season like this can put a team dangerously close to "inmates running the asylumn" status. Sullivan, Rathman, Manusky, and Johnson probably have enough control over the players to keep things in order but I think there is some danger there. The coaching staff needs a complete overhaul this off-season but I think a lot of the personnel stays the same, so I'd rather not have the season get out of control with 8 weeks to go. For all of Singletary's flaws at least the players still seem to respect and play hard for him.

At this point I can live with all the stupid mistakes, just get the team to play hard, show some pride and I'll take the 4-12 record with a nice high draft pick and get ready to start fresh once the season is over.

  

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175. "I'm not going to be upset if he stays the full year"
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All things being equal I'd like to see him gone asap... but either way I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'm content with the fact I know he's gone after the season... well he damn sure better be.
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170. "he's dumb for putting all his faith in bum ass smith & trading away hill"
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swapping hill with carr was just stupid.

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174. "Yeah other than that Sing is a great coach"
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176. "well you get a W for calling out sing before anyone else"
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but that shit is negated with the L you receive riding for alex the bust smith harder than anyone else.

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177. "John York says Sing's job safe for the rest of the season (swipe)"
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John York on Tuesday reiterated ownership's stance that Mike Singletary's job is safe despite the 49ers' disappointing start.

Asked if Singletary will remain the team's coach for the rest of the season, York responded: "Yes, he's our coach."

York spoke to a handful of reporters at a charity event in London, where players made a goodwill visit to schoolchildren in advance of the 49ers' game against the Denver Broncos on Sunday at Wembley Stadium.

The brewing cloud over Singletary, however, followed him overseas. After a loss to the Carolina Panthers on Sunday, which dropped the 49ers to 1-6, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area reported that York and his son, team president Jed York, were displeased with the coaching in the 23-20 defeat. Comcast quoted an unidentified source as saying there were "some grumbles" from both John and Jed.

"I'm not sure why somebody would have said that," John York said, when asked about the report. "We were grumbling because we lost the game. I think we grumble anytime we lose the game."

York, echoing Singletary's persistent mantra, said the 49ers can turn things around quickly if they can avoid silly mistakes such as turnovers.

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178. "You pissed the bed now go lay in it"
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179. "Question: Is the problem just the coaching or is the org shitty?"
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Just through browsing some of the articles written around the time McCloughlin was let go, it seemed like Baby York and some of the pencil pushers in the org (Paraathe?) were doing the West Coast equivalent of Synder and Cerrato. I also read something about the more Jed goes to Eddie D for advice, he becomes more of an ass since he lacks his uncle's way with people (too much of his father in him).

Whats the overall opinion of the Niner's brass? What is the GM personnel setup now? Should they totally redo the football side and bring in a GM or an overlord type like Parcells or Holmgren?

And speaking of Holmgren...he blew it by being impatient and taking the Cleveland job instead of waiting for the Niners. From the Area and is steeped in the ways of Walsh. But that boat has sailed for now....

  

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180. "we were doomed the minute the yorks brought in dennis erickson"
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firing mooch after a playoff run...only to bring in erickson? FOH.

looking back to '08 when he assumed control, i don't believe jed's really made any positive difference. he gives a nice little press conference about "moving in the right direction" and some other cute anecdotes, but organizationally he has nothing to hang his hat on so far.

as you know, his dad was becoming public enemy #1 in the eyes of the media and fans, so he had no choice but to give the podium to jed, while he went behind the curtain and chilled with the denise as co-chairmen.

supposedly holmgren and shanahan weren't high on the list because of their lineage to eddie debartolo. remember, when the yorks came in, instead of keeping this the 49er way and what had worked, they wanted do everything different. this was validated by bill walsh, who said the yorks never once consulted with him when he had his office right down the hallway. T.O. confirmed this also in his book.

the whole way the denise fucked over her own brother eddie D while he was dealing with the feds still pisses me off.

edit: so yeah, it starts with the organization as far as i'm concerned. erickson, terry donahue, mike nolan, sing... all ownership's problem.

  

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182. "I'll take it back farther than that:"
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I knew this team was screwed waaaay back in 1998 after they didn't even bother to try and resign Dana Stubblefield, after he won DPOY.

Laugh all you want, but I firmly believe that decision started us down the road that we've been stuck on since; I honestly saw all this bullshit coming back then. Eddie D would have found a way to sign him, but when his sister didn't even bother, and then turned over the reigns to York, well, the writing was on the wall.

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183. "Really it was over the minute Young went down"
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At least as it relates to Super Bowl runs

and lol @ this become our unofficial season thread
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184. "damn i totally forgot about that"
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stubby and BY were a force to reckoned with, man.

not signing stubby is testament to the overall penny-pinching philosophy john york came in with in '99. mooch said he paid for the ceremonial belt buckles himself in 2001, which had been an annual tradition/gift from eddie D for winning the NFC West up to that point, because york wouldn't pay for it.

T.O. said when the yorks came in they even put in coin-operated vending machines in the player's lounge. muthafucka started charging the players for a soda!!!

  

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181. "I would say both"
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But I'm willing to give Jed a few years to show what he's got. However they better sing a President of Football Operations next year before they do anything else. Then the second order of business of to find a coach.... but they have to bring in a football guy to run the non-business side of things.
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185. "pre-emptive ^. fuck that nigga for coaching like he's trying to protect"
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a lead.

anyone who watched the game knows that he handicapped the offense.

ATL and STL about to lose and you go out like that?

  

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186. "Niners ownership needs to fire Sing and call Harbaugh ASAP"
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They could probably have Harbaugh all signed up before stanfurds bowl game. Hell, might as well tank the rest of the season so they can get the packaged deal of Harbaugh and Luck.

  

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187. "3rd and 11, Singletary runs the ball"
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to set up a 48 yard attempt for a field goal kicker who missed everything during practice.

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188. "Well 9er fans it's almost over"
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just one more week and Fysical with an "f" leaves town forever. The only motivating factor I have to drag myself out to the stick next week is knowing this is the last game this clown coaches my team.... the darkness is about to be lifted. It's time we all purify ourselves in the waters of Lake Minnetonka and move forward.
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189. "lol @ Sing's press conference after the Ram game"
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Asked if he should be getting into shout matches with his QB during the game dude actually said "I don't know what the coaching educate is" .... for once Sing actually told the truth. He doesn't know.
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191. "If it's strategically done sure"
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From all accounts Sing just went over and started popping off. You add that on to how he's handled this QB situation and it's gas on the fire. The team don't need to see that shit when they fighting to stay alive.
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192. "Sing to be fired, per Jay Glazer (swipe)"
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Jay Glazer of Fox Sports went on the air after the game and reported 49ers coach Mike Singletary will be fired. Matt Maiocco of Comcast Sports reported the team ownership was discussing the timing on the bus after the game. A team source familiar with the situation confirms it is no longer a matter of "if" but "when."

And so will end the Singletary after 25 months of 18-22 football.

Team president Jed York made it clear what order he will proceed this time around. The general manager will be hired first, and then the coach. Last time, the 49ers hired coach Mike Nolan first, then hired Scot McCloughan to be groomed as a future GM.


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193. "thank you and good night"
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/27/49ers.fire.singletary.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

  

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194. "i'd take him on the texans over kubiak in a heartbeat."
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dude is passionate & wants to win & was hamstrung by personnel

  

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196. "RE: i'd take him on the texans over kubiak in a heartbeat."
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>dude is passionate & wants to win & was hamstrung by
>personnel
>
you must not have watched much of the 49ers this season. you got it twisted, HE hamstrung the personnel. with davis and walker, crabtree and morgan, the team should at least have had a balanced offensive attack. instead he tried to put all of his marbles on frank gore alone, westbrook never got any significant time on the field until gore was out for the season. and he wouldn't let his quarterbacks go downfield with the ball much at all.

nevermind clock management issues that NEVER got fixed. trust me, you don't. he'd run arian foster into the damn ground and waste andre johnson.

  

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197. "^^^What this guy said, what OldPro has BEEN saying"
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>>dude is passionate & wants to win & was hamstrung by
>>personnel
>>
>you must not have watched much of the 49ers this season. you
>got it twisted, HE hamstrung the personnel. with davis and
>walker, crabtree and morgan, the team should at least have had
>a balanced offensive attack. instead he tried to put all of
>his marbles on frank gore alone, westbrook never got any
>significant time on the field until gore was out for the
>season. and he wouldn't let his quarterbacks go downfield with
>the ball much at all.
>
>nevermind clock management issues that NEVER got fixed. trust
>me, you don't. he'd run arian foster into the damn ground and
>waste andre johnson.

No Kubiak isn't a good coach but Singletary just wasn't ready. Even if you really wanted to retread there's no way Sing is a better option than a Lewis, Coughlin or Fisher. At least one of those guys will be available next year.

  

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199. "Yeah you have no clue what Sing's about"
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>No Kubiak isn't a good coach but Singletary just wasn't ready.
>Even if you really wanted to retread there's no way Sing is a
>better option than a Lewis, Coughlin or Fisher. At least one
>of those guys will be available next year.

I don't want any of those guys but every single one would be an upgrade over Singletary... Sing was the single most unprepared head coach I've seen ever. He made Brad Childress look like Bill Belichick. I think dude might actually be ok as a college coach but he's not even close to pro material.
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201. "lets not forget Belichick's first coaching job...."
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>I don't want any of those guys but every single one would be
>an upgrade over Singletary... Sing was the single most
>unprepared head coach I've seen ever. He made Brad Childress
>look like Bill Belichick. I think dude might actually be ok as
>a college coach but he's not even close to pro material.

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200. "wasn't the reason he started Troy over Alex was because Troy is a..."
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better downfield passer?

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207. "Which would've be fine, if he'd let Troy Smith throw donwfield"
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After Smith threw for like 350+ against the Rams in SF, Singeltary threw the shackles and ended up with one the Niners worst Home offensive performances ever against Tampa Bay. After that, Singletary went right back to having the RB run it up the middle on every down. During the MNF game against the Cardinals, he had the RB run it up the middle on 3rd and 10 multiple times.

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233. "Is Singletary the offensive coordinator? Does he call plays?"
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>After Smith threw for like 350+ against the Rams in SF,
>Singeltary threw the shackles and ended up with one the Niners
>worst Home offensive performances ever against Tampa Bay.
>After that, Singletary went right back to having the RB run it
>up the middle on every down. During the MNF game against the
>Cardinals, he had the RB run it up the middle on 3rd and 10
>multiple times.

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210. "probably not."
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- zero halftime adjustments
- burning timeouts to mask further delay-of-game penalties and communication issues.
- taking a month and 8 candidate interviews (with scott linehan saying 'no thanks' and going to the lions instead) to settle on jimmy raye as your offensive coordinator.
- run, run, pass, punt and stubbornness to adapt to an offensive philosphy later than 1985.
- three players leaving the team abruptly (balmer, coffee, michael lewis).
- shouting matches with three different quarterbacks (shaun hill, alex, troy).
- trading one of those quarterbacks, who had a winning record, so the other wouldn't have any healthy competition.
- flip-flopping commitment to the remaining two QB's.

i wish dude the best and hopes he lands under more competent ownership than the yorks, but trust me, you wouldn't want him for anything more than a linebackers coach or a motivational speaker on the corporate circuit at this point in time.

  

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198. "i wasn't in the interview"
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but makes me kind of nervous that the yorks saw something that no one else did. chalk it up to their record post nolan's firing, that had to play the biggest part...

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/26671582

Mike Singletary had the perfect temperament to be a middle linebacker.

It cost him as a head coach.


He was just too volatile and too unprepared. In the end, that helped cost him his job. As word made its way through the NFL Sunday night that Singletary was being fired, all I could think about was conversations I had with some of his former players.


They all talked about how Singletary was over his head. They said he was as unprepared as any coach they had ever played for in their lives -- including high school.


The game plans were simple. The attention to detail, lacking.

That's not unlike what you heard about Singletary's interviews with some owners. He was never impressive, according to some league sources.


I just think he was fast-tracked to the position, without paying his dues. Now we see what happens often in those situations.

Singletary strikes me more as an assistant than a head coach. In the end, he was just way too emotional.


That's good when your ramming heads with running backs. It's not good when you're trying to lead 53 men who hang on your every word.


Singletary was asked to resign by the 49ers and he was defiant in that, refusing to do so, which led to his being fired. I would have done the same thing. Why leave without a fight?


I wouldn't have expected anything less from Samurai Mike.


Too bad his emotions might have been what cut his own head off. Heres a prediction: The 49ers will hire either Jon Gruden or Jim Harbaugh. At least those two have head-coaching experience and their game plans are far from primitive.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14482378/unseasoned-singletary-set-up-to-fail-by-49ers-from-start

Imagine Mike Singletary's next football job. Imagine that it's one that actually prepares him for the job he just had, rather than one which exposes his tactical flaws and reduces him to a caricature.

Imagine Mike Singletary Lite.

The San Francisco 49ers just eliminated Singletary's gig, after just 40 cracks at it. It is the same number of games Frank Kush got, one less than Hall of Famers Ernie Nevers and Jim Thorpe, and two fewer than Otto Graham and Sammy Baugh. Of those, he had the best record -- 18-22 -- and the most exposure as a coach who got the job based almost entirely on his rsum as a player.



In other words, his flaws were not unique, but they were more catalogued. He thought his inspirational gifts, fueled by his own career, would be sufficiently instructive to a generation decades removed from his best work.

And the players tried to be impressed by his rsum, and they did revivify their belief in the game and its most clichd verities. But they needed more -- they needed technological competence, a steady and non-impulsive hand that believed in a core set of football theories and stayed true to them.

Mike Singletary didn't because he couldn't. He'd been rushed into the job without any experience running his own half of a team, let alone his own shop, and he found out that even the best one-trick pony still doesn't have enough tricks.

There are more reasons why the 49ers failed in 2010, starting with an organization that lacks enough football people to run a modern NFL team, ranging through a roster that has its share of interesting players but more than its share of ordinary to substandard ones, and ending with an embarrassing trust in the power of being in a rotten division.

Good teams don't keep score backward, as in "all we need is X number of wins," but it was the only thing the 49ers had to hang their helmets upon this year, and when they went 0-5 to start the year, people around them kept rationalizing that their 0-5 was better than most 0-5s because their most direct competition was gimping about at 2-3.

It was a stupid place to put the bar of achievement, and the 49ers deserved the result of that thinking. They diminished themselves and their reputations, spending another precious year of their careers pushing a tractor motor halfway up a muddy hill with their teeth and then sliding back to the bottom, as they did Sunday against St. Louis.

Singletary was exposed yet again as the motivator who could no longer motivate, the coach players liked but could not find the strength to believe in any longer. Put another way, when you're getting sideline sass from Troy Smith, you've lost the room.

But Singletary succeeded as much as he had the tools to succeed. Had he been a coordinator for a couple of years, or a head coach at a college, the story might well have been different, but we won't know if that is true until he gets his next job, whenever and wherever that is.

There may be a big-time coach in Mike Singletary, and the 49ers might have been his entry-level position. That speaks more to the 49ers' failures and less to his. But it also shows us yet again that when the face of the franchise is the coach, the inverted pyramid is badly askew. Singletary gave great/amusing/disjointed/anachronistic pressers, and if that weren't the 31st most important part of the job, he'd have left San Francisco a more beloved figure.

But there was always too much of him and not enough of the players. Not because he wanted to be the star, but because he couldn't make any others. That is essentially the problem Ernie Nevers had in Chicago, and Otto Graham in Washington, and Sammy Baugh in New York and Houston -- that the guys who hired them believed in their pasts, but the guys they coached wanted to know about their own futures. Names are made from the giants of the past, and games are won by the titans of the future. So it has always been, so it shall always be.

  

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now being laid out as fact.... as this piece said, we've wasted yet another year fuckin around with this block head.

The upside to all of this is we may now actually get a real front office along with a real coach. Making the playoffs could have clouded this somewhat ... not to mention we'd have dropped about 15 spots in the draft. Big picture losing yesterday may have been the best thing that could have happened to this franchise.
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211. "no doubt homey, I'll take my L, but it's really OUR L :("
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>now being laid out as fact.... as this piece said, we've
>wasted yet another year fuckin around with this block head.
>
>The upside to all of this is we may now actually get a real
>front office along with a real coach. Making the playoffs
>could have clouded this somewhat ...
and that's precisely why since the eagles loss i was like the fuck this shit BETTER not make the playoffs everyone needs to be fired twice. I did call that 6 wins maximum more than a month ago and those fucks just MIGHT reach it. didn't want them going to the playoffs, they damn sure don't deserve it.

not to mention we'd have
>dropped about 15 spots in the draft. Big picture losing
>yesterday may have been the best thing that could have
>happened to this franchise.
i don't watch college football, could cam newton be the answer behind center?


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204. "RE: i wasn't in the interview"
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>He was just too volatile and too unprepared. In the end, that
>helped cost him his job. As word made its way through the NFL
>Sunday night that Singletary was being fired, all I could
>think about was conversations I had with some of his former
>players.
>
>
>They all talked about how Singletary was over his head. They
>said he was as unprepared as any coach they had ever played
>for in their lives -- including high school.

Name names.


>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14482378/unseasoned-singletary-set-up-to-fail-by-49ers-from-start

>The San Francisco 49ers just eliminated Singletary's gig,
>after just 40 cracks at it. It is the same number of games
>Frank Kush got, one less than Hall of Famers Ernie Nevers and
>Jim Thorpe, and two fewer than Otto Graham and Sammy Baugh. Of
>those, he had the best record -- 18-22 -- and the most
>exposure as a coach who got the job based almost entirely on
>his rsum as a player.


>There are more reasons why the 49ers failed in 2010, starting
>with an organization that lacks enough football people to run
>a modern NFL team, ranging through a roster that has its share
>of interesting players but more than its share of ordinary to
>substandard ones, and ending with an embarrassing trust in the
>power of being in a rotten division.

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203. "Probably the best news outta this is that we're hiring a GM"
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205. "who was the GM before?"
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206. "scott mcloughan"
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who was let go/resigned a month before the draft, now with seattle

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213. "yep, Jed absolutely has to disappear on personnel moves after..."
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a GM's put in place.

and he'd benefit from hollering @ uncle Eddie for advice on his organizational hierarchy (John McVay).

  

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208. "if so many people felt he couldn't coach, why did he get the job?"
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Now that he's fired, I'm seeing articles on how unprepared he was.

Given the difficulty black men have in terms of getting head coaching jobs, I'm not understanding how someone as undeserving (my word) as Singletary got put on.

  

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209. "his playing career gave him credibility"
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>Now that he's fired, I'm seeing articles on how unprepared he
>was.
>
>Given the difficulty black men have in terms of getting head
>coaching jobs, I'm not understanding how someone as
>undeserving (my word) as Singletary got put on.

he played the defensive quarterback so he was seen as smart (which he is, but frighteningly shallow in terms of his overall team philosophy), but unlike every other coach, he played at a HOF level and won a super bowl, PLUS the 5-3 record as interim coach probably made it all seem like the perfect storm.

shit i won't front, i recognized they needed a kick in the ass and was glad to see them getting it, i just thought and hoped that his time spent with walsh would lead to him getting himself more and more prepared for this moment. unfortunately NOT.

  

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218. "I see what you mean but how many HOF players can coach?"
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If that was what people were banking on, they had unrealistic expectations from the get go.

  

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212. "because its a shitty organization run by non-football people. fans "
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react to shit like 'fiery demeanor' and all that.

they are supposed to have people on PAYROLL who can confirm that a mfer know his x's and o's and all that.

plus, nolan's stint was so bad that anything looked good in comparison.

if i'm one of the marquee HC candidates out there i'd be salivating over the 9ers gig because, personnelwise, they are in pretty good shape.

they play in a division that is complete ass.

so this is the equivalent of a college job where 10 wins gets you sucked off and looking like you doing something.

this woulda been a playoff caliber squad w/ shaun hill.

get a qb in the draft and a vet backup. coach 'em up. and you should be in playoff contention.


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214. "RE: because its a shitty organization run by non-football people. fans "
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>react to shit like 'fiery demeanor' and all that.
>
>they are supposed to have people on PAYROLL who can confirm
>that a mfer know his x's and o's and all that.
i know

>plus, nolan's stint was so bad that anything looked good in
>comparison.
I know

>if i'm one of the marquee HC candidates out there i'd be
>salivating over the 9ers gig because, personnelwise, they are
>in pretty good shape.
i KNOW

>they play in a division that is complete ass.
I KNOW

>so this is the equivalent of a college job where 10 wins gets
>you sucked off and looking like you doing something.
I KNOW!

>this woulda been a playoff caliber squad w/ shaun hill.
i know

>get a qb in the draft and a vet backup. coach 'em up. and you
>should be in playoff contention.
>
>
>peace & blessings,
>
>x.
>
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216. "OK we got rid of Sing now can we please get rid of the Shaun Hill shit"
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Shaun Hill and Alex Smith have almost identical passer ratings this season... The "he just wins argument" don't even work anymore, dude is 2-7 as a starter this year.

I'm willing to say Alex has to move on but for the love of god will you people stop talking like Shaun Hill was anything worth crying over
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223. "this isn't bartering fam"
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>Shaun Hill and Alex Smith have almost identical passer
>ratings this season... The "he just wins argument" don't even
>work anymore, dude is 2-7 as a starter this year.
he was 10-6 as a starter on THIS team. also better TD-INT ratio than alex but I'm talking about WINNING. he's the only fucking QB WITH a winning record since garcia.

>I'm willing to say Alex has to move on but for the love of god
>will you people stop talking like Shaun Hill was anything
>worth crying over
why are you MAD at Hill? Is he a crisp clean downfield passer? As athletic as Alex? The long term solution? No on all counts. HOWEVER, FOR THE TIME BEING, I believe he would have won MORE games than Alex did. And this is DESPITE all the other crazy shit that Sing has presided over. In a year when the divison is woefully bad and the Rams and Seahawks are going to get better, we could have won the division and gone to the playoffs. Like we all agree, letting the wheels fall off may be the best long term scenario, but in the interim, we'd be a winner with Hill.

  

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224. "Hill was a poor man's Steve DeBerg at best"
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That cat just never impressed me on any level... and yeah I am still mad we put that fat faced fuck behind center in the first place lol. I guess everyone forgets just how we won a lot of those games he started and just how awful he was before he got pulled in 2009.... but it's all water under the bridge now.
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232. "RE: Hill was a poor man's Steve DeBerg at best"
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>That cat just never impressed me on any level... and yeah I
>am still mad we put that fat faced fuck behind center in the
>first place lol. I guess everyone forgets just how we won a
>lot of those games he started and just how awful he was before
>he got pulled in 2009
now I didn't forget, but what I DO remember is that hill wasn't a turnover machine and didn't hold the ball for days upon days like alex has...and with your ID of sing's suspectness, you'd have to admit that hill could have done better with a better offensive gameplan to execute.

.... but it's all water under the bridge
>now.
yup, let's hug it out bro, all them bamas gonna be gone


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225. "non-sequitur. 49ers =/= lions"
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and you had such a hard-on for alex that you said you "rooted" for a shaun hill injury. so it's hard to call you unbiased on the issue.

but i guess it doesn't matter now since alex is good as gone, too.

  

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228. "Well I still say Alex is the more talented QB"
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In the end I think that will be as evident as this thing with Sing was.... as I keep saying, just keep him out of the NFC West.
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229. "Alex Smith is not a talented QB"
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he is an average QB who is a career backup rather than a regular starter.

  

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230. "I'm saying he's better than Hill"
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Who's nothing more than a backup himself

I think Alex Smith can be a middle of the pack starter in the right system. The guy as more heart and talent than many give him credit for. Once he escapes his status as 49er whipping boy we'll find out one way or another for sure.
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231. "Him and Hill are comparable"
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both of them are career backups that can have decent games at times and can keep your team competitive but will not get you to the playoffs.

Atleast with Hill the Niners didn't invest a 1st overall pick and millions of dollars on.

About the only system Alex Smith has looked good in is Urban Meyers spread offense at Utah.

  

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238. "Oh no doubt he wasn't worth a #1 over all"
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But time will tell if he's a legit starting QB or not. I still think he is.
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240. "I think time has already told us he isn't a legit starting QB talent"
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I think you and maybe a handful of his friends and family actually still think he can be a starter in the NFL. He is destined for a backup QB career.

Steve Young he isn't.

  

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259. "We'll see"
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263. "LMAO"
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>But time will tell if he's a legit starting QB or not.

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264. "we need at least a decade of evidence."
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then, and only then, can we rule out Alex Smith from possibly being a good quarterback.

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268. "^^^^^^^team passed on Drew Brees during free agency"
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>>But time will tell if he's a legit starting QB or not.
fuck bradford and hennessy you must be SEETHING to see breezy still getting it on strong while nicky saban has since won with alabama after fucking your franchise.

  

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272. "^^^post over "
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217. "Graff I can't answer this question"
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Because I felt it was pretty clear right out the box dude was a blowhard and a fraud. How he snookered people smarter than me I will never know.
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226. "at least it will be a step towards equality if Sing gets another job."
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I think he might actually be okay if he is allowed to get more experience.

  

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227. "He won't be getting another HC position in the NFL anytime soon"
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College maybe
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215. "In a way, I am so jealous of you guys right now"
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you actually got rid of your incompetent HC, while I am still stuck with mine. I wish I could have gotten up this morning with the excitement of knowing that Norv Turner had been fired.

  

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219. "We'd have made the playoffs with Norv Turner"
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Not that he's a very good head coach either... but Sing is just that bad. There aren't many coaches that couldn't have won that sorry division with the talent on our roster. Unfortunately we had one of the few who couldn't.
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220. "True the Niners should have won the NFC West this season"
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221. "RE: We'd have made the playoffs with Norv Turner"
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that's primarily because norv would have been calling the plays and the offense would have been fucking heads up for REAL for real.

i hope the chargers fire him and we can hire him back as an OC.

  

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234. "Just so you know I'm going to type "NOT SINGLETARY'S FAULT"..."
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in ALL CAPS in every 49er loss post for the foreseeable future.

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235. "Do you actually believe Sing deserved another year?"
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That all of these losses weren't his fault?

  

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236. "No way dude deserved another year"
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You have been the up and comer in the division for two years and have an O that fields a top 5 RB, top 3 TE a yound top 10 pick WR in the weekest division football has ever seen and you can't win it? You get bounced for that first and foremost. The handling of the Smiths was abomidal, and Troy shouldn't have started Sunday let alone been in after halftime. penalties, turnovers and all sorts of other shit that should be worked out weeks ago still going on. All he did the last 3 games is bark at officials and coach us out of games.

  

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239. "I can tell you right now they would have won at least 2-3 more games"
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with a different coach

The first Seattle game, Carolina and Sunday's Rams game... the last two was him playing the wrong QB (Carr should have never been signed let alone see the field) and the first was not having his team or staff ready to go in week one...a good case can be made for them winning the home game vs Tampa too. The way they just let the Bucs dictate where Troy could go was embarrassing. In all honesty I feel like I could even throw in the Atlanta game... Lots of lost opportunities there with Sing just trying to milk a lead... but it wasn't his fault Nate Clements didn't just sit down with the ball so I'll let that one go.

Even so that's 8-10 wins right there... which would have put them in firm control of the division.
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244. "I could sit up and what-if the Rams to another 3 or 4 wins too, they..."
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lost 4 of their games by 1,2,3 and 4 points. And if you're going to say yesterday is Singletary's fault for starting Troy then you have you give him credit for starting Troy in the first game against the Rams in SF that Troy won almost single handedly.

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256. "The Rams are not a good football team"
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I mean we aren't either when you get right down to it but talent wise the 49ers are head and shoulders better than the Rams. And all this praise of Bradford is overlooking the fact that right now at this time dude has one of the lowest QB ratings in the league.

Ram fans will be getting a rude awaking next year if the 49ers can even bring in a slightly above average coach... enjoy this title (if you can even win it this year) because you won't be seeing one for a while after this.
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266. "Oh, I'd be the first to tell you that but lol@the 69ers being..."
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"head and shoulders better"

>And all this praise of Bradford is overlooking the fact
>that right now at this time dude has one of the lowest QB
>ratings in the league.

Bradford's had a solid rookie season and he's already light years ahead of any QB SF has had since Jeff Garcia.

>Ram fans will be getting a rude awaking next year if the 49ers
>can even bring in a slightly above average coach... enjoy this
>title (if you can even win it this year) because you won't be
>seeing one for a while after this.

Lol, if Sam gets some WR's or if the WR's we have on the roster all get healthy its a WRAP. Keep waiting on Alex Smith to not suck.

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OldPro
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274. "We're not talking potential... we're talking right now today"
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"Bradford's had a solid rookie season and he's already light years ahead of any QB SF has had since Jeff Garcia"

And today this statement is just flat out false.

Alex Smith 79.7
Sam Bradford 78.0

So this idea that the Rams are somehow vastly superior at QB in 2010 thus making them a better team right now is just wrong.

  

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ThaTruth
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298. "Smith's QB rating as a rookie was 40.8, lol"
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calij81
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241. "I don't think Sing deserved another year but Truth seems to think"
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otherwise. Sing should have won this division the last two seasons and he really shouldn't have a losing record this season.

  

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ThaTruth
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242. "I'm not acting like Singletary is faultess but the bottom line is he has..."
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a better winning percentage than the two guys that preceded him and is the best coach the Niners have had since Mooch and I'm just lol'ing at the people in here pretending like they have so much talent and would have won so many more games with a different coach.

Gore is a good not a great back, he had that monster season 5 years ago and has been slightly better than average ever since, that o-line is a mess, the QB's are a mess, Crabtree has shown signs of potential but is still very much a work in progress, their other WR's are nothing special. Davis FINALLY started playing up to his potential after Singletary got in his ass. On defense they have some solid pieces in Willis, Spikes, Clements, and Justin Smith, but most of the guys they're playing with are below average.

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calij81
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246. "He might have a better winning percentage but just like the last"
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two guys he has a losing record. It isn't like they are dumping coach who has won the NFC West. The NFC West is a shitty division, no reason why the Niners shouldn't have a winning record.

Seattle is a terrible team with a lot of older pieces, the Rams are a very young team, no reason why the Niners should be behind those two teams in the division. I think of all the teams in the NFC West, the Niners have the most talent/proven players on paper yet they continue to get their asses kicked by other young teams.

  

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ThaTruth
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248. "RE: He might have a better winning percentage but just like the last"
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>two guys he has a losing record. It isn't like they are
>dumping coach who has won the NFC West. The NFC West is a
>shitty division, no reason why the Niners shouldn't have a
>winning record.
>
>Seattle is a terrible team with a lot of older pieces, the
>Rams are a very young team, no reason why the Niners should be
>behind those two teams in the division. I think of all the
>teams in the NFC West, the Niners have the most talent/proven
>players on paper yet they continue to get their asses kicked
>by other young teams.

Honestly I don't think there's that much separating SF, STL, and SEA. They all have an identical division record. Glancing at the Niners out of division record, they same teams that beat them beat the Rams or would have except for maybe Carolina.

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calij81
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249. "Losing to Carolina and getting completely outplayed and dominated"
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at home to a young Tampa Bay team is bad. That blowout loss at home to Seattle to start the season looks even worse with every ass beating the Seahawks have taken over the last month.

I disagree that SF, Seattle, and Stl all have comparable talent. I think SF has more talent than both those teams right now and they have a good mixture of young and proven talent. Sf seems to be stuck in neutral right now while Stl is moving past them.

  

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ThaTruth
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251. "I just think you Niner fans are overly optimistic about the "talent" you..."
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have, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. Comparing you to St. Louis, there only a couple of positions on either side of the ball where I would say SF has significantly better talent.

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252. "I am not a Niners fan"
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I would say the Niners have a young (they start three first round picks on their OL and I think their other starters were selected sometime in the first 3 rounds) OL full of potential, solid WR's in Crabtree and Morgan, good RB with Gore and good depth with Westbrook/Dixon, a top 10 TE.



  

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260. "Remember you said this"
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ThaTruth
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273. ""remember it, write it down, take a picture, IDGAF!"(c)Chris Rock"
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312. "lol"
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250. "FOH. did you see the offensive the gameplan aside from the two Ram"
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games?

even with a shitty offensive line, with the skill position talent they should've at least been middle-of-the-pack. (and josh morgan isn't particularly special, but he's definitely an underutilized, underrated possession receiver in a keenan mcardell type mold.)

but no, Sing was stubbornly incessant on three yards and a cloud of dust, under the ostensible guise of a "balanced attack." i doubt there was a more vanilla, predictable offense in the league... and his meddling footprint was still on the playbook well after jimmy raye left.

what does that tell you about a coach's philosphy when you fire a mike martz, and scot linehan subsequently says "no thanks" to the job and chooses the lions instead.

and how many times did they throw that stupid WR hitch pass on 3rd and long on sunday? it's the epitome of the season: need 9 yards, throw it for 4.

the only thing bad about the firing is that should've come as early as the carolina game, but the team had to continue on the stint to london.

and don't forget this gem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wux1S1ma4ks

  

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