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"The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
Mon Jan-27-03 08:14 PM by KayDee

  

          

It will be a tight game..n specially a sure classic.... But the raiders will put it out....

Raiders 28 Bucs 21
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"If you don't Like it.... Get the fuck Out." mE!!

RaIDERz!!!!

RaIders 30 Jets 10
Raiders 41 Titans 24

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RE: the official superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 19th 2003
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lol, that's what Philly said about you
Jan 19th 2003
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      RE: lol, that's what Philly said about you
Jan 19th 2003
3
           so true, just wanted to point it out
Jan 19th 2003
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           RE: lol, that's what Philly said about you
Jan 20th 2003
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                99 championship game
Jan 20th 2003
17
                RE: Bucs vs Rams "O"
Jan 27th 2003
192
                     RE: Bucs vs Rams "O"
Jan 27th 2003
194
Cosign on Classic
Jan 19th 2003
5
gruden bowl...
Jan 19th 2003
6
Chucky Bowl I
Jan 19th 2003
7
The Raiders
Jan 19th 2003
8
      RE: The Raiders
Jan 19th 2003
11
Bucs havent faced an offense like the Raiders...
Jan 19th 2003
9
Raiders have faced a D similar to Tampa's
Jan 21st 2003
39
2003 Pirate Bowl
Jan 19th 2003
10
RE: 2003 Pirate Bowl
Jan 19th 2003
12
call out the special forces from those SD bases
Jan 19th 2003
13
How do I kill the next 6 days?
Jan 20th 2003
14
It will be certainly a long week..but it will be worth
Jan 20th 2003
15
This is our year
Jan 20th 2003
18
GO BUCS!
Jan 20th 2003
19
C'mon
Jan 20th 2003
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      RE: C'mon
Jan 20th 2003
22
      Bingo.
Jan 20th 2003
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           c'mon now
Jan 21st 2003
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                RE: c'mon now
Jan 21st 2003
31
      You're the Raiders.
Jan 20th 2003
23
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 20th 2003
20
my worries
Jan 21st 2003
26
do raider's fans really believe
Jan 21st 2003
27
Bucs fans are dissilusioned
Jan 21st 2003
28
      it's destiny?
Jan 21st 2003
30
           raiders
Jan 21st 2003
32
           RE: it's destiny?
Jan 21st 2003
37
                RE: it's destiny?
Jan 21st 2003
40
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 21st 2003
29
Is it just me or...
Jan 21st 2003
33
You know...
Jan 21st 2003
35
Thanks for the shoutout
Jan 21st 2003
36
RE: Is it just me or...
Jan 21st 2003
38
Cosign Doggy dog!!!!
Jan 21st 2003
41
take the good with the bad
Jan 22nd 2003
42
i'm so hyped for this game
Jan 21st 2003
34
Days away ladies... Damn this is to exciting!!!!!!
Jan 22nd 2003
43
not that i wanna be in this post, but
Jan 23rd 2003
44
Esteemed Moderator...
Jan 23rd 2003
45
      Argghhh
Jan 23rd 2003
47
      thas how i feel about the eagles
Jan 25th 2003
55
      RE: Esteemed Moderator...
Jan 25th 2003
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      RE: Esteemed Moderator...
Jan 25th 2003
56
SI article
Jan 23rd 2003
46
good article
Jan 23rd 2003
48
RE: good article
Jan 23rd 2003
49
LoL@ gift.....
Jan 23rd 2003
50
Gannon after the game:
Jan 28th 2003
207
      I feel for him
Jan 28th 2003
210
           now i know why he looked so spacey
Jan 28th 2003
211
Marino, Carter, Collinsworth
Jan 23rd 2003
51
RE: Marino, Carter, Collinsworth
Jan 24th 2003
52
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 25th 2003
53
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 25th 2003
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      RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 26th 2003
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RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 25th 2003
57
Bucs by 10...
Jan 25th 2003
59
Definately... Bucs get beat by ten...
Jan 26th 2003
60
      clever
Jan 26th 2003
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      my badd...
Jan 26th 2003
107
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 26th 2003
61
*Starts the music* THE AUTUM WIND
Jan 26th 2003
63
robbins not starting
Jan 26th 2003
64
sent home?
Jan 26th 2003
65
Hope this shit doesnt back fire on us...
Jan 26th 2003
66
daaaaammmmmn
Jan 26th 2003
67
Robbins fucked up
Jan 26th 2003
68
Hospitalized??
Jan 26th 2003
69
That settles it
Jan 26th 2003
70
WHERE MY SILVER N BLACK FANS @
Jan 26th 2003
71
have to go with tampa bay...
Jan 26th 2003
72
THE REFS
Jan 26th 2003
74
JACKSON!!!
Jan 26th 2003
75
yawn....
Jan 26th 2003
76
wow
Jan 26th 2003
77
is it to early to say: "IT's OVER"? n/m
Jan 26th 2003
78
it's over
Jan 26th 2003
79
      I hope you guys didn't jinx us
Jan 26th 2003
80
           like i said
Jan 26th 2003
86
this PROVES the Al Davis Conspiracy
Jan 26th 2003
81
The Raiders are getting killed.
Jan 26th 2003
82
and again
Jan 26th 2003
83
oh shit...
Jan 26th 2003
84
      yeah, that's it
Jan 26th 2003
87
Where's this fuckin' MVP at?
Jan 26th 2003
85
YOUR mvp got knocked out weeks ago.
Jan 26th 2003
97
      RE: YOUR mvp got knocked out weeks ago.
Jan 26th 2003
106
           lol, 1 bad game makes a player...
Jan 26th 2003
119
Lincoln Kennedy.
Jan 26th 2003
88
fuck the huskies!
Jan 27th 2003
177
Will we see King at QB in the SuperBowl....
Jan 26th 2003
89
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 26th 2003
90
THE WORST SUPER BOWL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 26th 2003
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RE: THE WORST SUPER BOWL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 26th 2003
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naw... that goes to Ravens/Giants
Jan 26th 2003
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RE: THE WORST SUPER BOWL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 26th 2003
108
madden is pissed
Jan 26th 2003
93
RE: madden is pissed
Jan 26th 2003
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or it could be
Jan 26th 2003
99
      ok, i hear ya n/m
Jan 26th 2003
101
Noticed that too nm
Jan 26th 2003
118
The score should really be *edit*.
Jan 26th 2003
94
Who Paid Off Gannon??!?!?!
Jan 26th 2003
98
its the philly curse
Jan 26th 2003
102
RE: Who Paid Off Gannon??!?!?!
Jan 26th 2003
152
refs at it again eh?
Jan 26th 2003
100
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 26th 2003
103
Sapp got a sack in the Super Bowl
Jan 26th 2003
104
Whoa shit!
Jan 26th 2003
105
RE: Whoa shit!
Jan 26th 2003
110
      all-star refs
Jan 26th 2003
112
      RE: Whoa shit!
Jan 26th 2003
121
this rules...
Jan 26th 2003
109
what this means is
Jan 26th 2003
111
my job here is done
Jan 26th 2003
113
RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 26th 2003
114
The Bucs look stupid in those hats!
Jan 26th 2003
115
join us eaglesfans
Jan 26th 2003
117
RE: The Bucs look stupid in those hats!
Jan 26th 2003
120
You're one bitter dumbass
Jan 26th 2003
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RE: You're one bitter dumbass
Jan 26th 2003
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      true indeed
Jan 26th 2003
134
its sarcasm dude
Jan 26th 2003
124
Heh
Jan 26th 2003
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      RE: Heh
Jan 26th 2003
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RE: The Bucs look stupid in those hats!
Jan 26th 2003
125
JESUS!
Jan 26th 2003
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      RE: JESUS!
Jan 26th 2003
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Those 3 INTERCEPTIONS CAUSED YOU THE GAME
Jan 26th 2003
139
      5
Jan 26th 2003
140
give it up for the bucs.
Jan 26th 2003
116
RE: give it up for the bucs.
Jan 26th 2003
127
it IS tainted
Jan 26th 2003
136
RE: give it up for the bucs.
Jan 26th 2003
141
Callahan got outcoached
Jan 26th 2003
122
cosign...
Jan 26th 2003
131
Name a better coach
Jan 26th 2003
133
      RE: Name a better coach
Jan 26th 2003
135
      take a bow Zeno
Jan 26th 2003
137
           Understood
Jan 26th 2003
138
for once, i agree with you
Jan 27th 2003
158
he's still too conservative for my tastes
Jan 27th 2003
176
      I love Belicheck...
Jan 27th 2003
191
im humbled
Jan 26th 2003
142
you ALL knew this was comin'...
Jan 26th 2003
143
Gotdamn the Raiders got SERVED!
Jan 26th 2003
144
RE: Gotdamn the Raiders got SERVED!
Jan 26th 2003
145
      and
Jan 26th 2003
147
           RE: and
Jan 27th 2003
159
                You're a little bitch
Jan 27th 2003
165
                Come on, is that the best you could do? n/m
Jan 27th 2003
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                RE: Come on, is that the best you could do? n/m
Jan 27th 2003
167
                     Cuz I'm a hater, right?
Jan 27th 2003
170
                don't be mad at me
Jan 27th 2003
175
I feel bad for the Raiders
Jan 26th 2003
146
yeah we got served..and still reppin silver and black
Jan 26th 2003
148
Oh now Gannon aint shit........u stupid
Jan 26th 2003
149
I'm saying he choked..don't hate and I've been repin
Jan 27th 2003
188
The Official List
Jan 27th 2003
163
I can't wait for the RAIDER Retirement party
Jan 26th 2003
150
you're so brave
Jan 27th 2003
173
that's no way to go out
Jan 26th 2003
151
finished
Jan 27th 2003
171
RE: that's no way to go out
Jan 27th 2003
180
post game riot
Jan 26th 2003
153
this quote says it all
Jan 27th 2003
154
Champs
Jan 27th 2003
155
      Next year will be good.
Jan 27th 2003
181
Comedic pleasure.
Jan 27th 2003
195
going back to my pregame worries
Jan 27th 2003
156
Was it just me...
Jan 27th 2003
157
RE: Shania Twain
Jan 27th 2003
162
Do they...
Jan 27th 2003
172
      RE: Do they...
Jan 27th 2003
186
never saw it coming.
Jan 27th 2003
160
My thoughts on a pretty lame Super Bowl
Jan 27th 2003
161
RE: My thoughts on a pretty lame Super Bowl
Jan 27th 2003
164
Kay Dee
Jan 27th 2003
168
Raiders need to get over themselves
Jan 27th 2003
169
denial
Jan 27th 2003
174
Quote of the day!
Jan 27th 2003
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      RE: Quote of the day!
Jan 27th 2003
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      Ehhh, Porter's pretty damn good.
Jan 27th 2003
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      Like I said
Jan 27th 2003
183
      Congrats Tampa
Jan 27th 2003
184
           That was a joke
Jan 27th 2003
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                cosign
Jan 27th 2003
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                     Peter King
Jan 27th 2003
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      I think he should be
Jan 27th 2003
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      Here's a better quote of the day:
Jan 27th 2003
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RE: Not Gannon's fault
Jan 27th 2003
193
Where's Catastrophe????
Jan 27th 2003
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I guess he didn't like it
Jan 27th 2003
197
see.....
Jan 27th 2003
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MY number one Bitch fan ...Will..
Jan 27th 2003
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      Change your sig
Jan 28th 2003
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           If u take dat dick out yo mouth maybe I will....
Jan 28th 2003
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                I think you meant
Jan 28th 2003
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                     Whose denying that
Jan 28th 2003
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                          Like I said
Jan 28th 2003
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                               ....Read 217
Jan 28th 2003
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                                    RE: LoL..... ya nut juggler....I keep saying
Jan 28th 2003
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                                         That reply made me laugh fo real
Jan 28th 2003
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                                              RE: That reply made me laugh fo real
Jan 28th 2003
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                                                   No doubt
Jan 28th 2003
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                                                        Nah sucka... I get the last word....
Jan 28th 2003
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                                                             Ok, I concede
Jan 28th 2003
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                                                                  Why not picture a fine ass bitch... Last word....mE
Jan 28th 2003
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Ha.
Jan 27th 2003
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Im right here dog!! healing from this painful wounds...
Jan 27th 2003
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My thoughts...
Jan 27th 2003
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Funny how we have ..All these Haters N Buc fans..
Jan 27th 2003
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Jon Gruden
Jan 28th 2003
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RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post
Jan 28th 2003
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The future...
Jan 28th 2003
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Post Game Analysis
Jan 29th 2003
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Off the hook report......
Jan 29th 2003
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dillinjah
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1. "RE: the official superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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>It will be a tight game..n specially a sure classic.... But
>the raiders will put it out....
>Raiders 28 Bucs 21

It'll be a tight game for sure. There's no way the Raiders are getting 28 on our D though.

It'll come down to the Bucs D-Line against your O-Line. The winner of that matchup wins this game

Bucs 23 Raiders 17

  

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will_5198
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2. "lol, that's what Philly said about you"
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>There's no way the Raiders
>are getting 28 on our D though.

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dillinjah
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3. "RE: lol, that's what Philly said about you"
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>>There's no way the Raiders
>>are getting 28 on our D though.

This is true. But we've given up 16 points in the playoffs thus far, versus two of the most formidable offenses in the league this year (yeah, I know, I wouldn't consider Phili to be potent offensively either, but check the stats, it's true)

The Raiders are great offensively, no doubt, but there's no reason our D can't hold them down. If we can hold down the Rams when they were at their peak, there's no reason we can't do the same against the Raiders

  

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4. "so true, just wanted to point it out"
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16. "RE: lol, that's what Philly said about you"
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Which peak was that?




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will_5198
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17. "99 championship game"
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Sponge
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192. "RE: Bucs vs Rams "O""
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>Which peak was that?

Like one already posted, the Rams in '99. And the '00 Rams "O" was one of the most potent offenses ever, and the Bucs physically beat em and won the game on Monday Night Football. That '00 Rams were averaging 34 something pts per game for a stretch and still ended up putting up 500 something pts for the season. And the Bucs beat the Rams in '01, also (when the Rams offense was still explosive).

The Bucs beat em earlier this season 26-14.

So with that, the Bucs shut down the Rams "O" in 4 games running. The Rams, until this year, are more explosive than the Raiders. So, it's not like the Bucs never faced an offense like the Raiders. And the Superbowl was evidence.

  

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will_5198
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194. "RE: Bucs vs Rams "O""
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>And the '00 Rams
>"O" was one of the most potent offenses ever, and the Bucs
>physically beat em and won the game on Monday Night
>Football.

That was due mostly to the Tampa offense. Warrick Dunn caught fire that night. The defense gave up 30+ points.

The 2000 version was the best "offensive" version of the Rams though.

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cereffusion
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5. "Cosign on Classic"
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Sun Jan-19-03 06:41 PM

  

          

I cannot wait. I'll save my prediction for later.

  

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CyrenYoung
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6. "gruden bowl..."
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..should be a close game, but i'll reserve my game analysis for tomorrow (when i have more time to think on it)

no doubt, the bucs WILL find a way to win

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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7. "Chucky Bowl I"
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As much as a Raider fan as I am...I just don't know, y'all. Chucky knows their strengths and weaknesses, and that defense looks amazing. But we shall see if Rich and crew can pull it out. I just hope someone decides to limit Charles Woodson's snaps. He really looked like a serious liability out there at times.
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8. "The Raiders"
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this stat yet, kind of proud of myself for finding it, but anyway, the Raiders are undefeated this year when they score more 25 points a game. So, if the Bucs do a great job on D' then its going to be close. I'm a life long Raiders fan, this is our year!!!

Were going to beat that ass!!!!!

Win Baby, Win!!!

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sleep" - Bread

  

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11. "RE: The Raiders"
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>Win Baby, Win!!!

No, it's ..... Just win baby!

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9. "Bucs havent faced an offense like the Raiders..."
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this season, and Raiders havent faced a defense like the Bucs this season.

pretty Scary cuz theres no other coach in the league who knows the Raiders offense better than Jon Gruden. On the flip side of that Callahan knows Gruden pretty well.

These teams match up so well and this has the makings to be one of the best Super Bowls ever. But I have faith in the Raiders weapons and the championship experience of our veterans

This will be a great game
Raiders 31
Bucs 30

  

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39. "Raiders have faced a D similar to Tampa's"
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Actually they've faced two. Miami and the New York Jets.
The Dolphin game doesn't give us Raider fans a lot hang our hats on, but I think the Raiders learned from that game. Like Tampa, Miami has a quick defense with a speed rushing end and two great cornerbacks. The Jets also have a speed rushing end and they play the same defense that Buccanneers play due to the fact that Herman Edwards used to coach there. So they are familiar with the defense. The big thing is like what Mike Tyson said about everybody having a game plan until they get hit. The Bucs personnel elite, but like I said I think the Raiders learned a lot from their loss to the Dolphins, a team that comes to closest to matching up with Tampa in terms of speed and athleticism. Against the Dolphins they often left Barry Sims one on one against Jason Taylor and Taylor exploited that matchup. I expect to see the Raiders use a lot of two TE sets with Langston Walker helping out on Simeon Rice. This has the advantage of protecting Rich Gannon's blind side on passes and also balancing the formation. I also suspect that the Raiders will run more against Tampa. I suspect that run-pass ratio will be closer to what it was against the Jets. This is why balancing the formation is important because you'll see a lot of between the tackle runs where the Raiders will be able to use their line's weight advantage on Tampa. No since trying to run a lot of sweeps on the Bucs, their linebackers are too quick. When the Raiders do go into three WR sets, they'll run that bunch formation and put people in motion. I think you'll see a lot of three and five step drops by Gannon with quick passes to keep the Bucs line off of him. As far as on defense, Tampa's defense is better, but the Raider's defense is underrated. People forget they finished 3rd against the run, 11th overall in terms of yards and 6th in terms of points scored against. I think they will be able to shut down the Bucs running game and they will be far more agressive against the pass than Philly was. This game will be decided by turnovers and both teams have been able to force those, but I think Bucs will committ more TOs than Oakland. Alstott been known to put in on the ground. It's going to be tough. The Raiders scored 17 on Miami in a road game in a place where the Dolphins never lose. I think they'll be able to score 3 to seven more points in what for them is essentially a home game.Bucanneers are more distracted by the Gruden hype. The pissed off Raiders use it as motiviation and win SB XXXVII:

Raiders 20
Buccanneers 16

  

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10. "2003 Pirate Bowl"
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This is the year of the Raiders. Gannon and the team are unstoppable.

Raiders 31
Buccaneers 24


GOMD

  

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johnblaze
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12. "RE: 2003 Pirate Bowl"
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>This is the year of the Raiders. Gannon and the team are
>unstoppable.
>
>Raiders 31
>Buccaneers 24

Without a doubt this is the Raiders year. I've been saying this sometime; that the Raiders were going to the Super Bowl, but I guess folks just weren't listening, because I'm sayin' it every year. But, last year for Sports was a tragedy for me. First, the Raiders get robbed in New England. Then Robert Horry destroys my Kings with a last second, game winning, shot. To end the year, my SF Giants lose Game6 to the Angels, and go on the lose the World Seris. This year I'm starting with a BANG, first the Raiders .... then the Kings (well, I dont' wanna get ahead of myself just yet.) I'll wait one week.


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13. "call out the special forces from those SD bases"
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cause there will be unprecedented raider nation super bowl representation- believe that!!

i'm glad it's only a one week wait till this very classic game. it's been along time coming... i remember being on a LA school yard as a 2nd grader pulling for the LA raiders before the redskins bowl game, that's a long time.

i'm going with raiders by three.





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14. "How do I kill the next 6 days?"
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I never thought a week would seem so long. . .

And is anybody sure about who has the advantage when you're playing your former coach?

(wipes drool)

The team that Gruden built vs. the team he left for.

(wipes drool)

I can't wait.


http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/sports/football/nfl/oakland_raiders/4988631.htm

Bucs may have edge in a great matchup
By Skip Bayless
Mercury News Staff Columnist

Thank you, Roman Numeral gods. Thank you for what could be the most super matchup in Super Bowl history. Thank you for blessing the Bay Area with the next best thing to Raiders vs. 49ers in next Sunday's XXXVII.

Thank you for ``Chucky's'' old team vs. ``Chucky's'' new team. Thank you for new Coach Bill ``the Thrill'' Callahan's Raiders vs. Jon ``Chucky'' Gruden's Tampa Bay. Thank you for this stunner: For once, the Bucs did not stop in Philadelphia.

Gruden's NFC championship game underdogs, who dominated 27-10, kicked San Diego sand in the faces of analysts who didn't figure they were in the same league with the Raiders or Eagles. Amp up the debate: Gruden's new team looked more impressive than his old one, which needed some self-destructive help from Tennessee to finally pull away 41-24.

The oddsmakers make the Raiders 3 1/2-point favorites. But watch the betting public shrink that number as it loads up Tampa Bay's California-bound bandwagon. Shiver me timbers: Here comes a crew of orange-clad pirates, sabers in teeth, who think they can shut down silver-and-black pirates who have plundered just about every defense they've faced.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for one of the NFL's most indefensible passing teams ever vs. perhaps the best pass defense ever. Beyond more off-the-field subplots than ``The Sopranos,'' XXXVII presents one of the most intriguing strategic battles this game has known.

As Callahan said with credit-deflecting awe Sunday evening at Network Associates Coliseum: ``Rich Gannon was masterful.'' He threw maybe two off-target passes in 41 attempts and completed 29, three for touchdowns. At least four were dropped, including a sure TD pass by Jerry Porter. None was intercepted.

In the season's biggest game, Gannon's velocity, accuracy and agility were his season's best. Here was a showcase performance by the NFL's MVP.

Yet give Bill the Thrill credit for attacking the way Gruden rarely dared to as Raiders coach. Against Tennessee's 25th-ranked pass defense, Callahan wasn't about to tiptoe toward San Diego. He wasn't afraid to go for the Titans' exposed throat.

Said Tim Brown, who led the Raiders with nine catches: ``We were prepared to throw it 70 times.''

Go, Bill, go: In the first three quarters, only one running play was called. Gannon, a 37-year-old looking as quick as a kid, led the Raiders with 41 yards in six bolts, including the 2-yard TD run that made it 34-24 early in the fourth quarter. Especially after the Titans lost starting corner Andre Dyson in the second quarter, this was the irresistible force vs. the movable object.

The Raiders did tune up for the high-impact Bucs by outhitting the smash-mouth Titans. But, you wonder if the Titans almost provided a false sense of can't-be-stopped confidence. You wonder what would have happened if, after battling back to lead 17-14, the Titans hadn't handed the Raiders three easy scores.

The Raiders went 16 yards in two plays for a TD, 14 yards in five plays for a field goal and 5 yards in four plays for another three points. Meanwhile, the Raiders committed 14 penalties for 127 yards. Throw in the dropped passes and a fumble by Brown and you have a suspiciously sloppy 17-point win.

Now the tide changes and the waves come crashing against Gannon's offense. No more freeways to run. No more receivers looking as lonely as early-morning runners on the beach.

Sunday was a day at the beach compared to what lies ahead. The Super Bowl could look an awful lot more like the Raiders' only loss in their past 10 games, at Miami. The Bucs have the defensive backs to match up nose-to-nose with all of Gannon's weapons. The Bucs can generate the kind of pass rush that knocked Gannon off rhythm in Miami.

The most amazing performance in either championship game was by Bucs cornerback Ronde Barber, who often seemed to be blitzing Donovan McNabb and covering every Eagles receiver on the same play. His identical twin, Giants running back Tiki, was on the Veterans Stadium sideline. You wondered if Tiki occasionally slipped into an orange jersey and knocked away a McNabb pass.

No more baby-blue Titans trying to stick with Brown, Jerry Rice and Jerry Porter.

But equally amazing was the job Gruden did with his warm-weather, low-octane offense against one of the league's fiercest units in the final Eagles game in the Vet's meat locker. I was happily wrong: Gruden did not get coached under the frozen carpet by Andy Reid. Gruden found the kind of play-calling rhythm his old team often had without him.

Yet Gruden got a strange break. A long return on the opening kickoff set up a two-play touchdown drive for the Eagles. An early interception thrown by Bucs quarterback Brad Johnson further fueled the Eagles' overconfidence. They didn't start blitzing Johnson until it was too late. He completed 20 of 33 for 259 yards, including a 71-yard game-changer to Joe Jurevicius on third-and-12.

It was as if the Eagles kept saying, ``OK, now we get serious.'' And the Bucs' defense wouldn't let them.

At least the Raiders won't have to worry about Johnson running through and over them the way Steve McNair, a fullback of a quarterback, did. Yet will the Bucs' one possible weakness -- stopping the run against a line as big and physical as the Raiders' -- tempt Callahan into an identity crisis?

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.



  

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15. "It will be certainly a long week..but it will be worth"
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RaIDERz!!!!

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18. "This is our year"
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We will not be denied!LET's Go Raiders!!! Raider nation Rise UP NOW!!!!!!

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19. "GO BUCS!"
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Go Johnsons! (except the white one from usc)
Go Sapp!
Go Lynch!
Go Brooks!
Go Barber!
Go Alstott! (i guess)
Go Chucky!

  

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AFC West love!

  

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22. "RE: C'mon"
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>AFC West love!

Yeah Kahn wheres your loyalty?

Really though if Kahn were to root for the Raiders I'd have to question his loyalty as a Broncos fan. Because there is NO WAY IN HELL Id ever root for Denver in a Super Bowl. Id have to turn in my Darth Vader helmet

  

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24. "Bingo."
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If I ever had even the slightest bit of hope that Oakland would win the Super Bowl, i'd have to set fire to my barrel and suspenders. In the name of Elway, I hope the Bucs win.

  

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25. "c'mon now"
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even tom jackson is repping the afc this week.

and as much as i hate to admit it, i rooted for elway during the first super bowl. not so much the second time around.

  

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31. "RE: c'mon now"
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>and as much as i hate to admit it, i rooted for elway during
>the first super bowl. not so much the second time around.

Not me, though I was happy for him that he finally got a ring. He deserved it, the guy was incredible, but fuck him!

  

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23. "You're the Raiders."
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I'm sorry, while you do make up a large component of what is unquestionably the best division in the NFL, if you guys win, i'm going to be seeing more than my fill of raider posts for the next, oh, lets say 18 months

  

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20. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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Bucs 21 - Raiders 17

This is gonna be a great game

  

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26. "my worries"
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a. the bucs defense - they're fast and aggressive. exactly the kind of defense that gives the raiders trouble.

b. jon gruden - two reasons. one, he knows how to prepare his team for a big team. two, he knows the raiders offense.

i think one of the keys to this game will be between the raider defense and tb offense. if the raiders can keep the tb offense off the field regurlarly, then it will give the raider offense a chance to get in rythem against the bucs d. if the raider offense can't stop brad johnson and co., it will be a long day.

i just hope that jon gruden calls a conservative game plan for his offense. if anything, thats his one weakness as a coach.

  

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27. "do raider's fans really believe"
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that their defense is better than philly's? cuz all any philly heads said last week was 'no way tampa's gonna score'. granted, barber's td kinda skews it, but i think tampa's gonna hold their own against the raiders. go bucs.

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28. "Bucs fans are dissilusioned"
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a. yes gruden has a handle on the raiders talent wise, but gruden doesnt play a snap. Meanwhile the raiders defense with the exception of romo and Rod have been playing against Grudens offense in practice for the last 3 years he was the coach. Point blank we know the limited Bucs offense inside out.

b. The bucs rely on zone all day if the offensive line plus Ritchie can give gannon time then we will pick them apart all day , especially Porter on mismatches and Jolley on delays and Garner out of the backfield.

c. Gruden is the same mofo that was at the helm the last 2 years and regardless of bs calls the bottom line is his play calling couldnt get it done.


This is destiny, the Raider Nation will rise up and put a foot in Trader John, Meshawn, Fat ass overated Sapp and the rest of the F#%kaneers.


RAiders 31
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So Bay wit it.

  

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30. "it's destiny?"
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for a bunch of hall of famers to win the super bowl together, even though some already have, or for what has historically been the worst franchise to pull their shit together for a season and cap it off with a super bowl victory (against the odds, no less. i've been hearing raiders hype all year.)

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32. "raiders"
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The Raiders definitely have an aura around them.

  

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37. "RE: it's destiny?"
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I hope you were referring to the bucs with that historically leagues worst franchise remark. Bottom line it's been 19 years since we were in the SB and it's time to reclaim the past glory. With the salary cap looming over next year we will have to dump a lot of good players so it's now or never and unfortunately for the bucs they will be running into the offensive buzzsaw known as the OAKLAND RAIDERS

JUST WIN BABY!!!!

So Bay wit it.

  

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i was referring to the bucs.

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29. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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RAIDERS 42 BUCS 7

GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BEEN DONE WITH DA SILVER AND BLACK SINCE 1983!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jawjuh man
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33. "Is it just me or..."
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has

a) a lot more raiders fans shown up recently

b) a lot more people talking about football that are idiots and watched a few playoff games and think they are gurus?

  

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>a) a lot more raiders fans shown up recently
>
>b) a lot more people talking about football that are idiots
>and watched a few playoff games and think they are gurus?

I think those 2 might be directly corrolated. In all seriousness though, the Raiders take this one... too many weapons for the Bucs. I can't name a better #3 in the nfl then Porter, and Lincoln Kennedy is, IMO, the best tackle in the land.

  

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>b) a lot more people talking about football that are idiots
>and watched a few playoff games and think they are gurus?

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yeah there are a lot more raiders fans on the bandwagon. but any okp's in the atl or who are sportstalk heads have been hearing me biggin up my boys and talkin shit on 790 since the preseason

So Bay wit it.

  

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RaIDERz!!!!

RaIders 30 Jets 10
Raiders 41 Titans 24

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

"If you don't Like it.... Get the fuck Out." mE!!

  

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42. "take the good with the bad"
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at least jets and patriots fans dont post as often

  

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34. "i'm so hyped for this game"
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tim brown finally making it to the super bowl. raiders players taking on the coach that ditched them. the opportunity to see that asshole gruden go down in defeat. this will be a great game. there's no way the raiders are losing this one. oakland will be even more out of control than last weekend. i can't wait.

  

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43. "Days away ladies... Damn this is to exciting!!!!!!"
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RaIDERz!!!!

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i have to do my job as a mod....

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... I know you maybe are still upset w/ the Eagles showing (I understand completely, I'm still dealing w/ the Colts non-showing)... but you could make it a lot easier and just anchor this post. Just a suggestion... btw, you're doing a great job, especially compared to that illosopher cat... where's he been?


My tirade is over.

"I knock all hoes all day/I'm mackin' vicious/ ask ya girl bout my dick, she say that's delicious/ as ya girl did she spit, she say that's nutritious/ ask her did she get flipped, she say that's tradition/ if she say she didn't, that's suspicious/ you need ta stop lisnin' to those nasty bitches" Lil Wayne

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47. "Argghhh"
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>(I understand completely, I'm still dealing w/ the Colts
>non-showing)

Just move on man. I have...it's better this way. We just got our asses kicked in every way possible and the best thing to do as fans is to forget it even happened. We weren't gonna beat the Raiders regardless. Just be happy we aren't in the AFC East anymore.

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-->We just got our asses kicked in every way possible and the best thing to do as fans is to forget it even happened. We weren't gonna beat the Raiders regardless.<--

  

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>... I know you maybe are still upset w/ the Eagles showing
>(I understand completely, I'm still dealing w/ the Colts
>non-showing)... but you could make it a lot easier and just
>anchor this post. Just a suggestion...

funny you mentioned that, because thas exactly what i signed on to do right now (not sure when i'll be able to get back online this weekend)....and here i was thinkin i was doin it too early...

btw, you're doing a
>great job, especially compared to that illosopher cat...
>where's he been?

thanks homie, i really appreciate that...and not sure where he is...i seen him on other boards, but not recently...hope he realizes it was never personal...we jus wanted things run smoothly around here...i miss his pro-pittsburgh posts.

  

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56. "RE: Esteemed Moderator..."
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btw, you're doing a
>great job, especially compared to that illosopher cat...
>where's he been?

Hahaha. I know where he is! I know where he is!

Cosign on KayDee doing a fantastic job. All pertinent posts are kept in a nice visible position, all the duplicates and bullshit are locked up, but the boards are still open. Sports is easily the best moderated board on OKP.

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Loose Gannon
Quarterback's ultra-intense manner has alienated teammates
Posted: Thursday January 23, 2003 1:14 PM

SAN DIEGO -- He's a prickly perfectionist with a Tony Soprano-sized temper, and everyone in Raider Nation regards him as the lovable, de facto den mother who prods his team to glorious heights.

Everyone, that is, except the men who actually have to play on the same team with Rich Gannon, whose hard-core approach to football is a source of much eye-rolling in the Oakland locker room.

Heaven knows no Raiders player wants to come out and say anything critical about the league MVP, whose exceptional performance this season was largely responsible for the franchise's first Super Bowl berth in 19 years. They appreciate what Gannon does, even if they sometimes aren't thrilled with his methodology.

It was one thing when Gannon, after signing with the team before the 1999 season, squelched the lunchtime fun in the Raiders' training facility, confiscating pool cues and balls and banishing video games. His reproachful speeches in team meetings and tantrums during practice further alienated the rank and file.

"The guy just jumps on people's asses, sometimes for the littlest s---," one Raiders offensive player confided during Wednesday's Super Bowl media session at the team's hotel in La Jolla. "It wears on guys, and it's definitely a topic of discussion around here."

Said a former Raiders player: "There aren't a lot of guys in that locker room who want to hang out with the guy. That's why they call him 'Red-Ass Rich.'"

Ouch.

To his credit, Gannon knows when to contain his wrath. For example, neither of his future Hall of Fame targets, wideouts Jerry Rice and Tim Brown, typically has to worry about getting an upbraiding from Gannon.

"No, he won't say s--- to Jerry or Tim," another Raiders offensive player said Wednesday. "But if one of the younger guys blows an assignment or jumps offsides, look out. It's always everyone's fault but ."

During one late-season game, Gannon became angered when a younger player got confused and altered his route by a couple of yards. After reaching back for the ball and narrowly missing the reception, the player returned to the sideline and, according to a witness, was told by Gannon, "Hey, you're f------ up my day."

Sometimes even veteran players feel the sting. According to one former Raiders offensive player, "In our game at Denver last year, Jerry was supposed to run a seam route, but he saw that the middle was open and broke it off to the inside. Rich saw that he was open, but he still threw the ball (incomplete) to where Jerry was supposed to have been, just to prove a point."

Consider that two years ago, when players exchanged Christmas gifts, one offensive starter no longer with the team presented Gannon with a vibrator.

OK, so that was pretty funny. But Gannon's ultra-intense aura is not a laughing matter for his teammates. Why do you think it was that, after the Raiders' AFC Championship triumph over the Tennessee Titans, the mood in the postgame locker room was restrained and muted? It all seeped down from the quarterback, who was so instantly focused on the Super Bowl that he couldn't enjoy the victory. The other veterans were similarly nonplussed, and no younger player dared whoop it up, for fear of incurring the quarterback's wrath.

One Raiders player joked that if the team beats the Bucs on Sunday, "Rich probably won't celebrate, because he'll be too focused on the Pro Bowl."

If Gannon hadn't played so brilliantly during the past four seasons, going from journeyman backup to full-fledged star, there might have been some sort of locker room revolt. He could have been vulnerable after former coach Jon Gruden, his biggest supporter, bolted for Tampa Bay last February; or after Gannon himself skipped a pair of minicamps because of dissatisfaction with his contract (it was later renegotiated); or after he chose not to join the majority of his teammates in an orchestrated walkout when NFL officials visited the Raiders' training camp -- a sign of the bitterness they harbored over the tuck rule replay reversal in Oakland's playoff defeat to the Patriots last season. One player says Gannon couldn't have participated in the walkout because "no one even told him it was happening."

Gannon, however, remained the team's unquestioned leader, and now the Raiders are on the verge of hoisting the Lombardi Trophy. It's enough to make his teammates forgive him for his tightly wound personality and penchant for abrasive outbursts. As one veteran says, "We may not all love Rich, but we love Rich, if you know what I mean."

I do know what he means: Gannon is what he is, and he's the best at what he is, and I'm pretty sure if I were to call him right now and read him this column, his response would be something like, "Yo, bro, it's not an encounter group. If those guys don't want to get yelled at, they should start paying more attention to detail and do their jobs."

Remember what Tony Soprano said to Christopher Moltisanti? "You don't have to love me, but you WILL RESPECT ME."

Rest assured that Gannon has the respect of each and every teammate -- even when they're messing up his day.

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Good article, I liked the insight. No, I'm not trying to say, "look, Gannon's an asshole - Vick for MVP!" or anything, I just thought it was a good read and shows both sides somewhat decently.

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48. "good article"
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a vibrator? lol thats fucked up

  

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my thoughts exactly

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50. "LoL@ gift....."
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207. "Gannon after the game:"
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Gannon was all alone, but not at the top
QB, FAR FROM MR. POPULAR, SUFFERS HORRENDOUS GAME
By Tim Kawakami
Mercury News Staff Columnist


Mercury News / Mercury News

Raider quarterback Rich Gannon is sacked by Buccaneer defensive end Greg Spires.


SAN DIEGO - Nobody spoke to Rich Gannon, or grabbed his shoulder in consolation, or patted his back, or acknowledged his presence at all.

He was alone as Super Bowl XXXVII crashed down on his head. Alone as the offense coughed and collapsed. For most of the 3 hours, 50 minutes of sad and shocking Raiders football Sunday, Gannon, the league MVP, was on the sideline 100 percent isolated from his teammates -- by his choice and theirs.

``What was Rich's mood? How do I know, I wasn't in his pocket,'' receiver Jerry Porter snapped after the game.

Well, weren't you in his huddle? ``Next question,'' Porter said.

Gannon is a special player: Leading this corps of elder statesmen, he's a competitor so grim and ferocious that he often inspires as much loathing from his teammates as he does respect. They could not have gotten here without him. They could have enjoyed it far more if he had not been here at all. And, since they didn't do it this time, they may not get another chance.

But in the horrible 48-21 loss to Tampa Bay, Gannon was especially woeful and especially alone. He was the worst thing about their worst game, and there was nobody around to say otherwise.

``I had a terrible night,'' Gannon said after setting a Super Bowl record by throwing five interceptions, three of which were returned for touchdowns. ``I wish I didn't. You never want to have a night like that.

``I'm not going to kill myself, I promise you. I don't want to minimize what happened tonight, but I tried my best. But it wasn't enough, and that's what happens sometimes.''

One failure after another

Eleven times Gannon walked off the field after a failed possession. Eleven times he went to the sideline, maneuvered through milling teammates and stood by himself, hands on hips, helmet on and eyes darkening.

One time, receiver Tim Brown came over for a word or two, then walked away. A couple of times, Gannon talked with offensive coordinator Marc Trestman. But other than that, it was as though a force field stood between Gannon and his teammates. What else could he do? Gannon is no fraud. These players are not his friends. His closest friend in the stadium probably was the opposing coach, Jon Gruden, whom Gannon sought out for a postgame hug.

What did Gruden tell him? ``Hang in there,'' Gannon said.

Gannon considers many Raiders to be slackers, as he makes evident, and Barret Robbins' weekend festivities probably tell you that Gannon is more right than not. But this loss was not about slackers. It was about a Tampa Bay defense fine-tuned to stop Gannon by applying constant pressure and refusing to bite on his canny pump fakes. The Bucs knew that if they stopped Gannon, they would win.

Gannon wasn't sharp, completing just 10 of 23 passes through 2 1/2 quarters. He threw three interceptions before the fourth quarter; he hadn't thrown three interceptions in a game since Dec. 16, 2000, against Seattle. He was chased and antsy. He overthrew, underthrew and maybe even panicked at times. A late flurry only slightly improved his statistics: 24 of 44 for 272 yards, with five sacks and those five interceptions.

On each of his first three interceptions, Gannon had receivers open for a moment but couldn't deliver the ball quickly enough.

``I'm not going to sit here and pay lip service to that defense and say they did this, this and this to stop us,'' Porter said. ``It wasn't what they did. It was what we didn't do.''

Not the usual Gannon

In other words, Gannon was nothing close to the Gannon of the first 18 games -- the Gannon who carried the No. 1 offense in football, who dominated every important game, who was so good on Sundays that his teammates didn't care that they disliked him Monday through Saturday.

The Gannon who won.

Gannon didn't deny that the Bucs' pressure, particularly hard hits delivered early by linemen Greg Spires and Simeon Rice, affected him.

``There's an expression,'' Gannon said. ``Knock a great quarterback around and you make him a good quarterback; knock a good quarterback around and you make him average; knock an average quarterback around and you make him a poor quarterback.

``That's probably a little bit what happened tonight.''

Really, there weren't many open Raiders, at least until the Bucs' defense relaxed after going up 34-3. Brown and Jerry Rice, choked off from the offense by a physical secondary, combined for just one catch (by Brown) in the first half. Rice had five catches in the second half, Brown none.

Rich, were you looking for your future Hall of Famers?

``I was looking for everybody,'' Gannon said, looking away from me for a moment. He turned back after a second and added quietly, ``I was looking for somebody.''

But on this terrible night for the Raiders, he never found anyone. He just had to keep walking back to the sideline, alone, silent and unable this one last time to do anything about it.

  

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210. "I feel for him"
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b/c he had the worst game possible on the biggest national stage, and he's worked hard to get where he is. However, maybe the shit he gave out to everybody is kinda coming back and haunting him now...he can only look at himself to blame.

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211. "now i know why he looked so spacey"
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the bucs knew all of his audible calls.

that would make me kinda freak out if i was the qb.


  

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51. "Marino, Carter, Collinsworth"
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Dan Marino, Mr. "I dont have any rings so I dont want Gannon to have one either" Kiss my ass! Fuck you and your statue!

Chris Carter Mr. "I came to Miami cause I thought I could help them win a ring but I coulndt even help them get in the playoffs" you can eat the corn out of my shit!

Chris Collinsworth you pencil neck geek! Mr "I couldnt hang on Sunday mornings cause Howie and Terry were picking on me too much" Werent you the one who said it was in fact that the CHARGERS are for real and the Raiders were a fluke 4-0? "you can eat my shit, then shit it out then eat your shit thats partially made up of my shit. (Jay from Jay and Bob Strike Back(C))

Costas youre alright, you picked the Raiders

All of you better kiss some serious ass on Inside The NFL next week after the Raiders whoop that ass!

  

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52. "RE: Marino, Carter, Collinsworth"
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Yeah these muthafuckas will be kissing that ass..when the Raiders win on Sunday..

On another note: Dan marino and Cris Carter Can both fuck themselves...Bunch of jagoffs.....
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53. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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Who'll win? Tha Raidaaaassssss....Even thought that hoe Chris Berman chose the Bucs.

I don't know why people think the Raiders HAVE TO PASS to win. They showed against the Chiefs that they could run the ball effectively as well, with Garner, a premier back, and Zack Crockett, the best short yardage back this year. Everyone knows the Bucs main, and only, weakness is against teams that run right at them. The Raiders have one of the biggest and best O-Lines this year and they'll be in top form against the Small and quick Bucs D-Line(Except for Rice and Sims probably).

I really look for the Raiders to surprise a lot of people by doing a lot of running up the gut against the Bucs. It will also keep their hurting defense and the Bucs hot offense off the field. Rushing once last week was just to throw people off. I excpect the Raiders to pass only when they need too. But after reading that Gannon article I wonder if he'd allow such a gameplan...Even still if they do pass, I see the Raiders keeping enough help for Gannon to get time to pass to Brown, Rice, Porter, Jolley, and sometimes Garner who will be eating up that Cover 2 Zone all day. Let's just hope our defense can stop their offense...

Raiders 24 Bucs 20 in what will definately be a Super Bowl for the history books.

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58. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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>Who'll win? Tha Raidaaaassssss....Even thought that hoe
>Chris Berman chose the Bucs.
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Yeah...and Bill O'Reilly picked the Raiders.

  

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73. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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Bill O'Reilly?

NOOOOOO!!!

It's ovaaaa...we gon' lose...no no no...

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57. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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Raiders 28-17 too much offensive firepower for Tampa.Can't wait till the Raiders bring the 4th title home tommorow.

  

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59. "Bucs by 10..."
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You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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60. "Definately... Bucs get beat by ten..."
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62. "clever"
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BUCS BY 27.....

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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61. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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I cannot see that sketchy secondary D'ing up Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Porter and Garner. Fugg the run, they can pass all day on the Bucs. That is four men who can get open and score. That D-line is good but the Raiders offensive line is as well. They will give there QB enough time to get the ball away to one of his many good receivers. The Bucs offense (LOL). Say word! They have no running game against a defense like the Raiders and the Raiders Scondary is above average which is good enough against the non-existent Bucs Receivers. 4 plays got the Bucs to the Super Bowl. It will take a lot more against a bunch of future hall of famers in the Raiders. Bucs are in trouble. Raiders 28 Bucs 17.

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63. "*Starts the music* THE AUTUM WIND"
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http://www.allsports.com/nfl/raiders/

be sure to turn the sound up!!

*HEARS THE DRUMS*


The Autumn Wind is a pirate
Blustering in from sea
With a rollicking song he sweeps along
swaggering boisterously
His face is weather beaten
He wears a hooded sash
With his silver hat about his head
And a bristly black moustache
He growls as he storms the country
A villain big and bold
And the trees all shake and quiver and quake
As he robs them of their gold
The Autumn wind is a RAIDER
Pillaging just for fun
He'll knock you 'round and upside down
And laugh when he's conquered and won

  

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64. "robbins not starting"
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What the...?


http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs02/s/2003/0126/1499166.html

  

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65. "sent home?"
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Fuck Callahan let it slide! its the Super Bowl for fuck sake!!

  

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66. "Hope this shit doesnt back fire on us..."
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67. "daaaaammmmmn"
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how fuckin stupid is he to miss practice? we'll find out what his loss means in the game.


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68. "Robbins fucked up"
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What the fuck is the matter with that guy!!

Adam Treu is solid though so hopefully we'll be okay

Janakowski says he's also concerned because Treu is his long snapper and doesnt want him fatigued

  

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69. "Hospitalized??"
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thats the latest. No details yet

  

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70. "That settles it"
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I officially have a feeling about the Bucs today. My head says the Raiders are the better team, and really the only team in the league that could consistently build drives against the Bucs. I just have this gut feeling that the Bucs are humble and focused, and Gruden has them ready. Now that you've got a backup center in the mix (Who's also the team's long snapper I believe; Cereffusion or other Raider fans, correct me if I'm totally off base) against a very formidable defense, I think this could just be the Bucs' day.

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71. "WHERE MY SILVER N BLACK FANS @"
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WE GON DO THIS SHIT!!!

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People get screwed


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72. "have to go with tampa bay..."
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b/c I think their defense can slow down the raiders offense enough...plus anyone who stops philly from making the super bowl I am rooting for...

  

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74. "THE REFS"
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they fucking up already...that was a clear call!

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75. "JACKSON!!!"
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Have yall notice he has called Brad "Johnson", Jackson 3x...? get as ass off the TV!

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76. "yawn...."
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damn I am rooting for tampa bay and even I think this game is boring...oakland isnt even putting up a fight

  

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77. "wow"
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20-3 tampa...who'da thunk it?

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78. "is it to early to say: "IT's OVER"? n/m"
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oakland needs personnel...can't pick that up over halftime.

  

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80. "I hope you guys didn't jinx us"
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86. "like i said"
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81. "this PROVES the Al Davis Conspiracy"
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b/c it is plain to see that the raiders are losing b/c of the refs

  

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82. "The Raiders are getting killed."
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No matter the score, the Raiders are getting killed by the Bucs defense. They also shot themselves in the foot with those 3 penalties during that drive the Bucs turned into a touchdown. I think Gruden did a great job from the beginning running no-huddle plays. The first half was really sloppy and a bit boring. Well, the Bucs just scored another touchdown, and it'll be hard to come back....

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83. "and again"
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-->Well, the Bucs just scored another touchdown, and it'll be hard to come back....<--

  

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84. "oh shit..."
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The Bucs scored 2 touchdowns inbetween the time of my two posts. Like the east coast says - it's a wrap!

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87. "yeah, that's it"
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hey, at least we made it to the superbowl.
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85. "Where's this fuckin' MVP at?"
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I've been telling yall the whole MVP voting bid that this fucka wasn't shit. Oak has a great O-line and 2 vet receivers that make his ass look good.

any explanations right now???

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97. "YOUR mvp got knocked out weeks ago."
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sit down.

  

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106. "RE: YOUR mvp got knocked out weeks ago."
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did you have a point lil man?


oh yeah, Gannon still sux


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119. "lol, 1 bad game makes a player..."
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the point is, like it or not, he was the deserving MVP this season. his line and his receivers absolutely left him out to dry up until they started goin deep late in the game. you mention rice and brown, but for a good portion of the game they had about 18 yards receiving COMBINED. and chances are lil man, you would've found a way to segueway into saying that vick got screwed.

  

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88. "Lincoln Kennedy."
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He's a fellow Husky, but man Kennedy is just standing straight up on the blocks...he was gettin owned on every play. Bend your knees, or somethin'....

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177. "fuck the huskies!"
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i was kind of hoping gannon would get hurt so that tuiasosopo could enter the game and throw a couple of interceptions.

  

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89. "Will we see King at QB in the SuperBowl...."
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or maybe the other "worse" Johnson?

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90. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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I don't know why this is so much fun to me to rub this in but it
appears as though the "mighty RAIDERS" have found a team that is
much better than them!!.

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91. "THE WORST SUPER BOWL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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...i changed the channel when the game was 6-3.

fuck that...this game just SUCKS! no excitement whatsoever.

peace.

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92. "RE: THE WORST SUPER BOWL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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the game just got good...awwwww yeah ! nice block

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95. "naw... that goes to Ravens/Giants"
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You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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108. "RE: THE WORST SUPER BOWL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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>...i changed the channel when the game was 6-3.

I hope you don't consider yourself a football fan then...

What'd you switch it to? Home and Garden Television?

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93. "madden is pissed"
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he's supposed to be unbiased, but you can tell he's mad the raiders are losin like this.

  

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96. "RE: madden is pissed"
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He's probably mad because he knows millions of people are watching a lackluster game from Oakland (the favorites). If anything, I would have wanted to see both teams go at it until the end...

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99. "or it could be"
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cuz of his ties to the raider organization...you know he still lives in the bay area.

*takes off conspiracy hat*

  

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101. "ok, i hear ya n/m"
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118. "Noticed that too nm"
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94. "The score should really be *edit*."
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nevermind.

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98. "Who Paid Off Gannon??!?!?!"
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Because he's playing like 1995 Gannon. I think he took a payoff dude is playing awful. He was the MVP????? He sure isn't proving it this game. He's only hit Rice and Brown for 3 passes thus far!

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102. "its the philly curse"
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i'm in the process of makin a huge post about that...coming in about a month...i'll need bshelly to collaborate with me on it, but jus know that rich gannon wasn't gonna win today.

  

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152. "RE: Who Paid Off Gannon??!?!?!"
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>Because he's playing like 1995 Gannon. I think he took a
>payoff dude is playing awful. He was the MVP????? He sure
>isn't proving it this game. He's only hit Rice and Brown for
>3 passes thus far!
>

Ain't no football fan,but wanted the Raiders to win.
Tuned in the fourth quarter and I said about the Raiders quarterback what is that man's problem,he seem to be lost in space,or the above ??"payoff"?? statement.
Then he passed to Rice(touchdown) and one commentator said "what has he been waiting on"!

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100. "refs at it again eh?"
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we need computerized refs.

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103. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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Congrats to the Bucs =)

I pray for the streets of Oakland tonight

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104. "Sapp got a sack in the Super Bowl"
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now he'll NEVER shut up....

  

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105. "Whoa shit!"
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Uhhh, yeah. wow.

Damn the Bucs came prepared, all the way down to the last second (literally!!)

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110. "RE: Whoa shit!"
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>Uhhh, yeah. wow.
>
>Damn the Bucs came prepared, all the way down to the last
>second (literally!!)
>

Yeah, too bad the refs didn't come prepared. WTF is up with that PI call on 3rd and 9, and the 2-pt conversion out of bounds call?? Those two (especially the first one) were straight bullshit, and coulda turned the game. I know, yall are gonna say "coulda woulda shoulda" but DAMN, it's the freakin superbowl at least call it right. they need to get better refs. congrats to the bucs, but i'm still a raider fan die hard.
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112. "all-star refs"
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they get rated all season and the best of the best get to work the big game..only prollem is they don't work w/their regular crew in this game, hence all the confusion tonight.

  

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121. "RE: Whoa shit!"
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You're wrong.

5 interceptions (3 for td's) lost the game.

Not 2 semi-questionable calls by the refs.

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109. "this rules..."
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Fuck the Raiders and their costume fans. I pity Gannon for his awful performance, and Tim Brown for not getting his ring, but I am so glad to see them lose.

Fuck them and their "mystique"

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111. "what this means is"
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Rob Johnson, Super Bowl Champ. Ugh.

For a brief, very brief second, the Raiders had hope.

  

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113. "my job here is done"
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BUCS WHOO RIDE BABY!!!
the whoo_rider hates Bonjovi, so he will be reaching for the remote.
see you guys next week for the probowl
much love to my fellas Sapp, Lynch, Rice, and of course the defensive player of the year Mr. Derrick Brooks
there's a reason you guys are starting and the eagles players (save for a couple of O-lineman) are all reserves

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114. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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i don't see all of them who talked all that garbage about how the
RAIDERS were such an AWESOME team, I told them that Gannon could
have that MVP trophy because they wouldn't win a SB!!!.

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115. "The Bucs look stupid in those hats!"
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We were robbed by the officials! The Bucs championship deserves and asterisk becuase they cheated!!

Yeah Yeah Yeah....we got served I know. The Better team won today, unfortunatley its the Bucs.

  

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117. "join us eaglesfans"
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120. "RE: The Bucs look stupid in those hats!"
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>We were robbed by the officials! The Bucs championship
>deserves and asterisk becuase they cheated!!
>

Cosign right here. Officials were unbelievable this game. First half, they did a good job on a lot of no calls. Second half there weren't a lot of calls but the ones they did make were horrible (except for the offsides that made me want to rip my hair out).

>Yeah Yeah Yeah....we got served I know. The Better team won
>today, unfortunatley its the Bucs.

I dont know about better team. 4th quarter Oakland was holdin their D-line down pretty well, then the refs choose to steal the raiders hopes away, YET AGAIN!!! remember oakland-NE????

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123. "You're one bitter dumbass"
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>I dont know about better team. 4th quarter Oakland was
>holdin their D-line down pretty well, then the refs choose
>to steal the raiders hopes away, YET AGAIN!!! remember
>oakland-NE????

Haha, your team got it's ass kicked, your MVP played like shit and the Bucs had their way with your team on both sides. Raider fans don't get respect b/c they're such bitches all the time.

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

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129. "RE: You're one bitter dumbass"
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>>I dont know about better team. 4th quarter Oakland was
>>holdin their D-line down pretty well, then the refs choose
>>to steal the raiders hopes away, YET AGAIN!!! remember
>>oakland-NE????
>
>Haha, your team got it's ass kicked, your MVP played like
>shit and the Bucs had their way with your team on both
>sides. Raider fans don't get respect b/c they're such
>bitches all the time.
>
>Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

Yeah we did get fucking asswhooped, just disappointed that it wasn't a CLOSER game. the initial reaction has passed, my fault man. bucs came through today, i mean they ARE my #2 team after the raiders, who just came out overconfident and hella unmotivated. it's a shame to see my team like that. warren sapp is still a G though, and the bucs still get love. i just wanted a better game.

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134. "true indeed"
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>team after the raiders, who just came out overconfident and
>hella unmotivated.

That's exactly how they were. Their whole team, from Gannon to Brown to the defense just expected to walk in and win. They got embarrassed instead.

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124. "its sarcasm dude"
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yes there were a couple horrible calls but come on now. You cant in anyway compare this game to the NE game. Yes we played better during the run but The Bucs were clearly a better team today. Just admit it youll feel better

  

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128. "Heh"
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remember
>oakland-NE????

Yeah. That was the last playoff game you lost. Maybe someday the Raiders will finish their season with a victory.

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132. "RE: Heh"
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> remember
>>oakland-NE????
>
>Yeah. That was the last playoff game you lost. Maybe
>someday the Raiders will finish their season with a victory.

hahahaha i must admit you have a good point. maybe that day will come if they buy john gruden back for 9mil. haha, maybe....

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125. "RE: The Bucs look stupid in those hats!"
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when your team loses, just suck it up and realize that they just
ran into a team that hd an OUTSTANDING DEFENSE and they had no
type of answer for them. Gannon deserved the MVP because just like I said awhile back, the RAIDERS wouldn't win a SB!!. No kind
of cheating was involved they got beat, just realize it!!

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126. "JESUS!"
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see post #124

  

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130. "RE: JESUS!"
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i know, its SARCASM!!!

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139. "Those 3 INTERCEPTIONS CAUSED YOU THE GAME"
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140. "5"
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interceptions that is

  

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116. "give it up for the bucs."
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much as i can't stand the glazers (that was effed up what they did last year, but they're vindicated), the bucs and gruden came through.

just outplayed the raiders on all sides of the ball.

ronde barber on kick coverage? gangsta.

wtf was the raiders/gannon thinking, though -- tampa was playing damn near straight 2-deep, and they didn't go down the middle deep until rice's td in the 4th?

horrible call by the refs on the raider 2pt conversion -- that was the very textbook definition of a force-out. but you know what? wtf was they doing going for 2 anyway? and those 3rd down timeouts? oaklands coaches had some dumb moves, too.

and gannon -- WHY ARE YOU THROWING A 4YD OUT WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT IN THE F*CKING GAME!!!???? EITHER HEAVE-HO THAT SHIT TOWARDS THE ENDZONE TO TRY AND BEAT THE OVER/UNDER OR TAKE A KNEE. ANYTHING ELSE IS POINTLESS AND PATHETIC.


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127. "RE: give it up for the bucs."
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>horrible call by the refs on the raider 2pt conversion --
>that was the very textbook definition of a force-out. but
>you know what?

you sure about that? The rule states that if the player is forced out when he WOULD HAVE come down in bounds, then it's a completion. You're 100% sure he was comin down in bounds? I thought the opposite, I thought he was on his way out, they just helped him. But I hate the Raiders, so maybe my opinion is tainted.

>and gannon -- WHY ARE YOU THROWING A 4YD OUT WITH 14 SECONDS
>LEFT IN THE F*CKING GAME!!!???? EITHER HEAVE-HO THAT SHIT
>TOWARDS THE ENDZONE TO TRY AND BEAT THE OVER/UNDER OR TAKE A
>KNEE. ANYTHING ELSE IS POINTLESS AND PATHETIC.

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136. "it IS tainted"
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<You're 100% sure he was comin down in bounds? <

not that it has any relavence in the outcome of the game, but if you watch the replay again, Porter was clearly about to come down in bounds. but like i said, does it really matter?

  

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141. "RE: give it up for the bucs."
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>just outplayed the raiders on all sides of the ball.

In the end, your statement above says it all. I've been a devoted Raiders fan all my life and will continue to be, despite todays loss against Tampa Bay, but the better team won today period.

Next year, what else can I say?


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122. "Callahan got outcoached"
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Once again, Jon Gruden totally dominated the mental game. The zone coverage was perfectly planned and executed. Callahan showed no devotion to the run, and got scared shitless by the no-name nickel/dime corners who made the picks. His challenge late in the game was boneheaded and made because of passion and not reason too. That last INT was very sweet. Gannon should've showed some class for once in his life and just run handoffs. That guy's been acting uppity all year, and today he broke the only record people are going to remember him breaking this season. I also must say I enjoyed Warren Sapp's little post game hello to Lee Flowers ("DUH REEEEEAL CHAMPS!"), who will perhaps learn not to yap about truly great defenses in the future. Regardless, today was all about Chucky. The victory was a testament to early-season haters who claimed immediate lack of success validated anti-Gruden sentiment. The second quarter was a timing-based offensive clinic put on by Johnson, Johnson, Jurevicius and Alstott, and Pittman played his role admirably. Gruden proved today why he is the best coach in the world today and he did so with class and dare I say, genuine enthusiasm.

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131. "cosign..."
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on most of what you said except for 2 things

Gannons last attempt at a touchdown which resulted in an int. though greedy is what 99% of QBs in the league would have done (especially in the Super Bowl)

Gruden is a great coach. I loved him when he was in Oak and have mad respect for him now. But "best coach in the world" a bit premature

  

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133. "Name a better coach"
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I'm interested to hear.

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135. "RE: Name a better coach"
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>I'm interested to hear.

There is none better in the NFL right now. I just wish he coulda gotten the ring with oaktown.

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137. "take a bow Zeno"
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your argument holds up today. Gruden basically being the mastermind behind both teams playing today proves he very much could be the greatest coach in the game today. Im sure this can be debated but im not exactly thinking straight at the moment. know what I mean?

  

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138. "Understood"
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And it's pretty hard to argue against a guy who just won the Super Bowl by systematically outcoaching the coach of the year, his former assistant and the second-best West Coast coach today (in spite of being unemployed). It's amazing to me how Gruden took guys like Alstott, McCardell, Jurevicius and Dilger and made them look IDEAL.

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158. "for once, i agree with you"
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i kept thinking during the game that (when they worked together) callahan was the guy in gruden's ear saying 'spread out the field, lets go long' .. . and gruden's response was 'patience my dear assistant, patience.'

callahan's gameplan backfired big time. he was trying to go for the big strike early in the game. that forced gannon into some bad decisions and forced throws. he played right into the bucs strength.

  

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176. "he's still too conservative for my tastes"
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he did his best to blow the 30 point lead in the 4th quarter, but his defense was just too good to let him. plus, i'll never forget how his conservative playcalling completely fucked the new england game last year.

i don't know why you're so gung-ho about gruden. the best coach in the nfl is the leader of your squad.

  

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191. "I love Belicheck..."
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...for reasons I think are familiar to everyone. The guy's awesome. I agree that Gruden's willingness to repeatedly give Oakland the ball in the second half was perplexing, but then again, he's got 30 points and one of the top defenses ever to put confidencer in. I'm gung ho about Gruden because his system exhibits so much attention to detail and savvy, and turns players into completely new kinds of weapons. His abilities as a motivator can't be questioned now either.

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142. "im humbled"
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disgusted. angry. sad. amazed. disgusted.

  

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143. "you ALL knew this was comin'..."
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..you knew it 'cause I TOLD YOU

the bucs made a statement AGAIN on both sides of the ball

brad johnson bounces back from and early INT to show poise, and throw a few td's

the offensive line showed heart, and gave johnson PLENTY of time (NO SACKS for the 2nd week in a row)

mike alstott made some crucial blocks/catches/runs that help keep the ball rollin'

pittman had an outstandin' day all around

mccardell scored 2wice, and the receivin' corps did MORE than their share today

BUT...

the true story here is the same as always

the bucs defense went up against the #1 rated offense in the league and SHUT THEM DOWN

5 INT's (2 for td's)

plenty of sacks and hurries, and even a forced fumble

the defense played briliant today especially considerin' who they were up against

sapp, rice, darby, and spires MAN-HANDLED the oakland offensive line

the db's held it down (big up to brooks, jackson, and smith)

the bucs controlled this game from all stand-points

***all the haters out there that will charge this game to the refs:

fuck y'all

yes, there were a COUPLE of questionable calls (jus' like there were a few no-calls on holdin' n'such against the raiders), but if you can't see that 5 INT's and NO GROUND GAME cost the raiders this game, you don't know shit about football

***to the rest of the "haters" who are jus' hatin' for no apparant reason:

my sig starts in 3... 2... 1...

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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144. "Gotdamn the Raiders got SERVED!"
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I mean, at least last year we didn't know who was gonna win till the last 30 seconds. This year, you pretty much knew this shit was over at the half. Bucs did it. 48 points? The Bucs?????? Hats off to em. Their defense AND offense brought their A+ games.

  

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145. "RE: Gotdamn the Raiders got SERVED!"
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21 defensive points.

  

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147. "and"
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27 offensive points.

like the man said, A+ game on both sides of the ball.

  

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sixers look real good.

  

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165. "You're a little bitch"
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166. "Come on, is that the best you could do? n/m"
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167. "RE: Come on, is that the best you could do? n/m"
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yes. and eff off will.

  

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170. "Cuz I'm a hater, right?"
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175. "don't be mad at me"
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my team lost to them very same bucs last weekend.

hell, we showed you what NOT to do...and y'all did it anyways...did oakland even watch the film from the championship game?

the eagles coulda beat that oakland team that showed up yesterday....but y'all got further than we did, so congrats.

  

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146. "I feel bad for the Raiders"
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1. They got their asses kicked by their old coach
2. They got their asses kicked in their own state
3a. They had to watch themselves get their asses kicked
3b. They didn't even get to see the Bud Light commericals


poor bastards. Ya'll don't even have a ring. Oh well, enjoy that AFC championship trophy. And you get the Bucs 1st round pick... oh wait thats pick #32. Ouch.

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148. "yeah we got served..and still reppin silver and black"
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I think Gannon is #@$$7 though..........



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149. "Oh now Gannon aint shit........u stupid"
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u jumped on the bandwagon and the wheels broke now u like Gannon aint shit. If it wasn't for Gannon the Raiders would be nothing.
Well I hoped u enjoyed the good times cause it's over. The whole team's retiring.

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188. "I'm saying he choked..don't hate and I've been repin"
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>u jumped on the bandwagon and the wheels broke now u like
>Gannon aint shit. If it wasn't for Gannon the Raiders would
>be nothing.
>Well I hoped u enjoyed the good times cause it's over. The
>whole team's retiring.


since 89' punk.....

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163. "The Official List"
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Official Scapegoat of Superbowl XXXVII-Rich Gannon

Official Distraction of Superbowl XXXVII-Barret Robbins

Official rationalazation of Superbowl XXXVII- "They didn't beat us we beat ourselves"

Official Raider fan defense XXXVII-" Your team didn't make it to the superbowl"


  

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150. "I can't wait for the RAIDER Retirement party"
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>It will be a tight game..n specially a sure classic.... But
>the raiders will put it out....

classic ass whooping.

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nothing more than a vulcher.

  

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151. "that's no way to go out"
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our squad shouldn't have caught it like that. yeah their D was tight, but how many first half drops on the hands helped?

i thought the edge gained with gruden's prior knowledge would be minimal with all the raider options, but that advantage combined with their defensive ability made the game basically unfair.

i don't think gannon's going to go out like that by retiring, and will return aong with virtually everyone else and reshuffled contracts. they just got to keep their heads straight during the off season somehow, if possible after this. fuck rebuilding!

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U guys got your chance to prove that u where supposed to be there last year , u BLEW IT!!!! The Raiders are done.

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180. "RE: that's no way to go out"
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The Raiders MORE than deserved this.The "Raider Nation" is in complete loss,and I for one am glad.I was just wishing for a last second win for the Bucs...to make the pain even worse for the Raiders and their fans.

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153. "post game riot"
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Oakland police no match for street mayhem
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Anarchy broke out on the streets of Oakland Sunday night when beefed-up police forces proved inadequate to stem eruptions of mayhem after the Raiders' loss in the Super Bowl.

Hundreds of police with riot gear, squad cars and helicopters were no match for larger numbers of troublemakers in scattered locations along International Boulevard who set fires, smashed windows and destroyed property, including a McDonald's restaurant that was ransacked and partially burned.

More than 50 blocks of International had stretches of virtually lawless zones nearly three hours after the Super Bowl.

At least 12 cars were set on fire, many windows were smashed, some businesses were broken into and looted, bus benches were pushed over and street signs ripped down as police battled bottle-throwing rioters with tear gas, rubber bullets and flash-stun grenades.

Extra police officers -- about 400 in all -- had been summoned to cope with possible riots in case the Raiders won, after a post-victory melee the week before when revelers burned out an auto-repair shop, smashed windows, destroyed a car and lit fires in the street. This time, about 250 Oakland police officers were joined by Alameda County sheriff's deputies, California Highway Patrol officers and Oakland Housing Authority officers, said Oakland police spokesman George Phillips.

But the post-defeat mayhem after the Super Bowl proved worse.

"We lost, and that bothers a lot of the young people out here," said Hannibal Willis, a member of the rap group Hazardous Materials. "A lot of them are real Raider friends. I ain't gonna lie -- if we had won, we would have done the same thing, but milder."

The trouble began about a half hour after the Raiders lost to Tampa Bay, when a crowd of about 200 people began gathering at International Boulevard and 37th Avenue and began marching up International, the same area where the mini-riot occurred the week before.

They taunted police, jumped on cars and threw bottles. The noisy crowd screamed and yelled, "Raiders rule. F-- the police."

About 60 officers formed a phalanx across International and stopped the crowd from advancing, firing tear gas and flash-bang grenades that sent troublemakers running down side streets. One car was nearly turned over before the driver managed to escape. Police closed the street to traffic.

But within minutes, things elsewhere got out of control and -- off and on -- stayed that way for the next five hours. As soon as police rushed to one hot spot, the rioters would regroup elsewhere.

Several burned-out cars were visible at the intersection of International and 63rd Avenue, where a McDonald's had its windows and signs smashed, supplies ransacked and sustained fire damage.

Manager Richard Hsieh and friends quickly began boarding up the windows. Asked whether he was surprised by the damage, he said, "No, I've lived in Oakland for 25 years. What can I say?"

A group of police officers in riot gear stood on the street nearby with a dozen people in their teens and 20s facing them from 15 yards away.

"If we approach them, we get bottles thrown," said Sgt. Ralph Leu. "This is their entertainment. Some are probably locals, but some have come from out of town for the action."

At 49th and International, a Kelly Moore paint store was broken into and looted.

At 90th and International, a group of young people threw bottles at police, forcing officers there to retreat to 92nd Avenue and regroup.

Another crowd set fires in International near 63rd Avenue. When fire trucks arrived, there were hit with rocks, bottles and debris. A convoy of Oakland police sheriff's deputies and California Highway Patrol officers struggled to seal the firefighters off from the crowd.

"We're taking rocks and bottles from everywhere, we need to clear out," one sergeant told his supervisors by radio at 63rd Avenue.

Sideshows with cars doing "doughnuts" and burning rubber could be seen on side streets.

"It's how we do it out here," said 18-year-old "Opp," who gave no last name. "You better take your s-- home -- it's East Oakland."

Members of the crowd shouted: "It's town business, it's what we do!"

The absence of police in some stretches of International opened the area to chaos as hundreds of people milled about, damaging property, throwing trash into the streets and setting small fires in trash and grass.

"You can definitely say we're outnumbered," Oakland Police Officer Robert Roche said. "You don't have to be a math genius to see that." Roche said.

At least one news photographer was roughed up and assaulted with thrown bottles.

As midnight approached, the recklessness continued between 90th and 93rd avenues, where 300 to 400 people continued wandering the streets causing trouble.

By that time, International, from 37th to 66th avenues, was a mess.

Fire officials said three firefighters suffered minor injuries. No arrest total was given, but police said at a late press conference that they had jailed 25 people and were sending an additional busload to Santa Rita jail for public drunkenness.

Fire Chief Gerald Simon said the city was a lot more prepared this week: "The response this week (compared to last) is more consistent and thought through."

Police said they were forced to retreat from a barrage of rocks and bottles at International and 44th Avenue.

Many revelers, however, said they arrived simply to be part of a post-game party.

A few blocks from the mayhem, Manuel Ramirez stood in the bed of his pickup on International, waving a Raiders flag, with a rap song blaring: "We're just out here supporting the team." Cars driving by honked in support.

Ramirez, a 12-year neighborhood resident, said the people doing damage weren't from the neighborhood.

On tree-lined 60th Avenue near International where families have lived for 30 years, residents sat out on their stoops as people danced in the streets.

But after police left, several cars were set on fire -- treated like a bonfire by some of the troublemakers.

An older woman who has lived in the neighborhood since 1969 said, "I don't like this at all. It makes me feel safer with the police."

As she looked at a young man dressed in black Raider gear, she said, "Oh, oh, who is that? What are they doing there? We've never had problems here. It's the Raider nation -- these Raider nation people."

"It's the Raiders' fault -- blame it on the Raiders," Akela Thomas, 19, shouted. "If they would've won, we wouldn't be doing this."




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154. "this quote says it all"
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"It's the Raiders' fault -- blame it on the Raiders," Akela Thomas, 19, shouted. "If they would've won, we wouldn't be doing this."

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155. "Champs"
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That's all I gotta say really.

For once, there aint no one that can say shit to us.

On to the victory parade...


BTW, can the Bucs repeat? It's gonna be tough. We're in good shape salary capwise, provided we don't break the bank to resign Simeon Rice and Booger McFarland. Whatever though; I'ma savor this one for a very long time

  

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181. "Next year will be good."
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My Packers will be healthy,the Eagles will be back,Minnesota looks tough,and the Saints will be OK.But ti's still nice to see the Bucs win,since I remember the days when ED "toolbox" Harris would light them up.

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195. "Comedic pleasure."
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Thanks.

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156. "going back to my pregame worries"
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>a. the bucs defense - they're fast and aggressive. exactly the >kind of defense that gives the raiders trouble.

and they did just that.

>b. jon gruden - two reasons. one, he knows how to prepare his >team for a big team. two, he knows the raiders offense.

yesterday, gruden showed everybody why callahan was his assistant

>i think one of the keys to this game will be between the raider >defense and tb offense. if the raiders can keep the tb offense >off the field regurlarly, then it will give the raider offense >a chance to get in rythem against the bucs d. if the raider >offense can't stop brad johnson and co., it will be a long day.

during the first quarter, i had faith in the raider d. they came to play. too bad the offense the didnt come to play. i thought the raider offense would stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.

dropped passes by tim brown and charlie garner killed them.

and the worst part is that the offense shrugged off these 3 and outs like they were preseason drills. wtf!! this is the super bowl. they came out without any intensity or fire.

as a raider fan, this game made me realize why i was so sad when gruden left the team. the one thing that i absolutely loved about gruden was how he prepared his teams for games. he always keeps his players focused and ready, and he always has plan b's, c's and d's.

zeno hit it on the nail when he said that gruden outcoached callahan. it was plainly evident in the 2nd qtr. gruden went to his backup game plan and caught the raiders off gaurd. in the meantime, callahan looked like he had no idea what to do. he came out with 2 straid zack crocket runs?!?! the first one was a good call, but the second one made no sense. at that point, he was pulling at strings.

i'm disappointed in tim brown and rich gannon. the dropped passes and the missed reads were 'so not clutch'.

hats off to the bucs. as the cliches goes, they wanted it more. they played better and more intense than the raiders. they came to sieze the moment, took it, and then stomped on it.

whats scary is that the bucs offense will get better under gruden.

  

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157. "Was it just me..."
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Or did the game have a slightly anti-climatic vibe? Surely if Oakland had found their flow in first half (Or even made their two point conversions in second) it would have been more gripping. After Oakland's initial field goal it wasn't in doubt Tampa had it with their most awesome, mobile and fast defence.

On a musical note what was with Shania Twain's lame lip sync performance? While I was watching I thought "This could only get worse if those Bon Jovi losers performed" and I didn't even know they were slated to perform AFTER game finished (Instrumental break for nostalgic clips n all). What was with that? They took attention from the presentation ceremony. To say the Super Bowl is over commercialised is no secret I guess.

On musical topic the UK broadcast of the game had Seal in the studio as an expert, who else in world could boast that? hehehe

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162. "RE: Shania Twain"
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>On a musical note what was with Shania Twain's lame lip sync
>performance?

I didnt look at her lips once. Shit, it they werent moving at all I really wouldnt have noticed!

  

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Even pay attention to the super bowl in the UK?

Of course I would expect some coverage, but I figured besides a 30 second soundbyte in the news, there would be nothing

  

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Not really, 30 second curiousity like you say. I've been a fan since I was little though, learnt the rules from a book.

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160. "never saw it coming."
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161. "My thoughts on a pretty lame Super Bowl"
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This game was worse than the Giants/Ravens year. After having some good games in recent years, I was hoping for more. But when the avalanche starts in the Super Bowl, there isn't anything you can do. Once one team starts actually thinking "damn, we're gonna lose the Super Bowl!" (which the Raiders body language indicated was at around halftime) and the squad with the momentum starts actually tasting it (especially a team with a dominant defense), things can get real ugly real fast.

Gruden once again badly outcoached his opponent. This week I was kind of expecting that but was hoping that maybe the Raiders were talented enough to overcome it. Everyone can slow their roll on the Rich Gannon express (including Jerry Rice, who said that Rich was right up there with any other QB he's played with. Can you see Joe Montana throwing 5 picks in the Super Bowl? Steve Young? Didn't think so).

The game was probably over with the McCardell touchdown at the end of the half but if it wasn't, it was REALLY over when the Raiders missed that 3rd and 2 to start the second half. They needed something, at least a field-goal drive to establish some rhythm offensively at that point. Instead they went 3 and out and then by the Bucs' possession things had gotten so bad Brad was running on them for big yards.

By the time 10 o'clock rolled around, I was happy to switch the channel to OZ because the game had long since been over. Guess I missed another pick/runback and Warren Sapp's postgame speech. I'll get over it. What is going to be tough to deal with is listening to Warren flap his gums about "we're the champs, they gotta come through us if they want that trophy, I didn't see Rich Gannon or nobody else goin' to no Disney World-we the ones goin' to Disney World, you want my ring you gonna have to come take it off me, blah blah blah". An entire year of this bullshit?!?! Someone shoot me.

And on a final note, I still don't believe Brad Johnson is anywhere near a great quarterback. He throws some ugly-ass ducks out there and I don't see him as being an inspiring presence either. He's efficient, he can run Gruden's offense and he's pretty accurate on the short pass stuff he throws. But the reason the Bucs won that game last night (and the Super Bowl altogether) was due to the coaching/scheme and the fact that their defense was dominant. Brad looked awful in the first half, only Oakland couldn't come close to capitalizing and he eventually was able to relax since the game was already getting out of hand.

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164. "RE: My thoughts on a pretty lame Super Bowl"
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What is going to be tough
>to deal with is listening to Warren flap his gums about
>"we're the champs, they gotta come through us if they want
>that trophy, I didn't see Rich Gannon or nobody else goin'
>to no Disney World-we the ones goin' to Disney World, you
>want my ring you gonna have to come take it off me, blah
>blah blah". An entire year of this bullshit?!?! Someone
>shoot me.


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168. "Kay Dee"
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can we remove the anchor please!!!

sooner this drops the better

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169. "Raiders need to get over themselves"
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"It wasn't their speed; it was that we didn't execute," said Oakland head coach Bill Callahan, in unconvincing fashion. "I really thought it was more us. We just couldn't get our sync going, or our rhythm. We didn't come out and play our usual game today."

"Speed had nothing to do with it, guys," Tim Brown said. "I'm not going to sit here and say that they're the greatest defense I've ever seen."

"I'm not going to pay their defense any lip service," said Porter, the Raiders wideout. "It wasn't their defense. It was us not executing."

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The Raiders really have some cockiness issues. It started with Tim calling out the Tampa defense as far subpar to the Baltimore d he faced in 2000, and it continued on during the game where most of the players had an arrogance at the beginning. Porter has been one of the more vocal guys as of late, and he's a good young player...that needs to shut the fuck up. Wow, you're a 3rd wideout riding the coattails of 2 hall of famers...you burn nickel backs for a living...

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174. "denial"
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it's their usual excuse every time they've lost this season.

all i'm saying is, where was wheatley?
could've at least tried to set up the pass.

  

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178. "Quote of the day!"
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>Porter has been one of the more vocal guys as of
>late, and he's a good young player...that needs to shut the
>fuck up. Wow, you're a 3rd wideout riding the coattails of
>2 hall of famers...you burn nickel backs for a living...

That "you burn nickel backs for a living" had me dying because it's true. I wanna see how good Porter is after Mr. Rice and Mr. Brown retire and defenses actually cover him.

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179. "RE: Quote of the day!"
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the Bucs cheated....they paid the raiders 2 years ago $8 million and 2 draft picks to take their coach...and their coach just happened to call the worst plays and screw the team over...i mean...come on..Raiders CANT run...they cant do anything but pass...and they didnt even go to the BEST reciver they got at all..if the Raiders werent screwed out of it...they would have thrown to Jerry Rice EVERY play and won...thats all it takes to win games...give Jerry the ball..but no..they throw it to him 1 time in the first half...an a few in the second..but see whathappened when they threw it to him in the 2nd...touchdowns.....so throw to Rice the whole game = WIN...but it all goes back to the Ex bucs coach screwin the Raiders...

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182. "Ehhh, Porter's pretty damn good."
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It's tough to say "he burns nickelbacks for a living." Cause that's not always true. For example, Ronde Barber plays the slot for the Bucs. I think Porter showed enough this year that he'll be a star after the elders retire. Then again maybe I only say that cause he gouged my team twice, effectively knocking us out of the playoffs.

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183. "Like I said"
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he's a good young player. But even if he's the number two, he's facing a much inferior corner play to play than Rice is. Notice on the TD he caught he ran past Dwight Smith, not Kelly or Barber.

You know Porter still takes advantage of his weaker matchups 80% of the time. How many teams even had two good corners?

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184. "Congrats Tampa"
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They got after my boys last night. Everything the Raiders tried the Bucs had an answer for. No excuses. The best team won. Two things though. How do they give the MVP to Dwight Smith. The MVP either has to be Simeon Rice or Michael Pittman. Those two guys killed us last night. Secondly. On the over under on which Raider was going to implode before the game, raise your hand if you had Janikowski. I didn't know that Barrett Robbins was a nut.
Talk about life imitating art. If that's wasn't straight out of "Above the Rim."

  

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185. "That was a joke"
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I hate when they give it to a corner just because he puts himself in the right place to get a couple of picks. Like when Larry Brown won that year with the Cowboys because O'Donnell threw two passes right to him.

Simeon Rice was everywhere in that game. The reason that Gannon threw five picks is because they were killing him up front and pressuring him every time. Dexter Jackson had a very good game, as did most of the Bucs to be honest but he ain't no MVP.

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Simeon Rice was definitley MVP IMO

  

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wrote how Rice won the award among the writers, but the fan vote put Jackson over the edge.

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189. "I think he should be"
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the go to guy next year have brown as no 2 rice @ 3

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200. "Here's a better quote of the day:"
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"Jon Gruden won the Super Bowl".

Or how about, "Shaun King sat his ass on the bench where it belongs while Brad Johnson won the Super Bowl".

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193. "RE: Not Gannon's fault"
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It's amazing how praise quickly turns into criticism.

No QB, I don't care if it's Joe Montana, Unitas, Young, Marino, Tarkenton, Elway, can win a game and not expect to throw some INT's when your O-Line is getting whooped. Especially if the D is as disciplined as the Bucs. The secondary did their job, didn't bite on pump fakes and stood their ground, and jumped the passing lane when 100% sure.

I recorded the game, and 4 of the INT's happened because Gannon was getting chased because the pocket broke down. But, some of the blame should fall on Gannon because he should've thrown the ball away on those plays or taken the sack.

I'm not a Raiders fan, but blaming Gannon has got to stop. It was the O-line, Gannon, Callahan's imitation of Mike Martz, and the Bucs D that did it.

Hats off to Tampa's offense for scoring 27 pts...especially their O-line.

All the experts say, never change your game and go with what got you there. Didn't work for Martz and Callahan. Their refusal to run the ball w/ Faulk and Garner are perplexing and stubborn.
Even if you're down 20-3 at halftime, you still got 2 more quarters...run the ball and keep the defense honest. It's not the rushing yards per attempt that count. It's the rushing attempts that keeps the defense honest......and keeps them guessing.

Martz and Callahan played right into the opposing defense's strengths...pass defense.

  

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196. "Where's Catastrophe????"
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Catastrophe?? You started this post man! If youre gonna show up on these boards at the end of this season, pick fights with people and talk a bunch of shit, the least you can do is show your face around here with the rest of us humbled fans. WTF are you out buying a Bucs jersey or something?


  

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197. "I guess he didn't like it"
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so he got the fuck out...(c) Catastrophe

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you aint right man lol

  

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205. "Change your sig"
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...no one cares about those games.

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212. "If u take dat dick out yo mouth maybe I will...."
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213. "I think you meant"
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the dick of Simien Rice that your boy Rich Gannon has been deepthroating since 6 pm Sunday.

Face it, you popped shit all year and your team just got its ass kicked (no matter what your drunk friend Porter has to say). You lose buddy.

Why you keep responding to my posts you little bitch? Half the time I'm not even talking to your sore loser ass. Yeah, thought so...now you're gonna reply to this one with some homo-esque comment like you always do.

If you don't like it...get the fuck out.

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214. "Whose denying that"
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the Raiders got there ass whoop... Im not.. Ur bitch ass is just on my nuts like a fucking homo that u are...
WTF are u? gay? why dont u relax and get that dick out ur asshole an chill... Ur the only one here yapping ya fat lip about the game still..

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215. "Like I said"
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You keep responding to me and using homo-esque comments (calling me a fucking homo, saying I'm on your nuts)...

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GET THE FUCK OUT.

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216. "....Read 217"
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217. "RE: LoL..... ya nut juggler....I keep saying"
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the same shit... U keep replying to my comments ..I will reply to ur shit back... Until u get tired... So we can go on and on..But at the end i will be the one with the last word...
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218. "That reply made me laugh fo real"
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>the same shit... U keep replying to my comments ..I will
>reply to ur shit back... Until u get tired... So we can go
>on and on..But at the end i will be the one with the last
>word...

Hahahaha...that shit was too funny. It's all good; I don't hate you or the Raiders. Your shit cracks me up. I could do w/o the homo-eccentric nature of your replies and whatnot, but whatever man.

Like I said to your boy Cereffusion, have a great offseason and see you next year...

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219. "RE: That reply made me laugh fo real"
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>Like I said to your boy Cereffusion, have a great offseason
>and see you next year...

Seems like the same thing applies 2 You 2 huh...

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220. "No doubt"
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>Seems like the same thing applies 2 You 2 huh...

You mean retooling my team? You're 100% correct. We have issues...but that's a different post.

I'm just going for the last word now...

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221. "Nah sucka... I get the last word...."
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222. "Ok, I concede"
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No more Raider talk unless I'm baited...until next season fellas.

(This exchange is making me laugh though, I can picture Catastrophe in tattered shoulder pads from high school cussing out people like me left and right...you Raider fans are crazy.)

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223. "Why not picture a fine ass bitch... Last word....mE"
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199. "Ha."
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Actually, this is a lot better turnout for the raider "faithful" than i would have expected. kudos guys.

  

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202. "Im right here dog!! healing from this painful wounds..."
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203. "My thoughts..."
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Raiders didnt showed up.. We got beat in every way... Gruden had our number.. We will meet again..

( Always a Raider fan... Still a Raiders fan )
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204. "Funny how we have ..All these Haters N Buc fans.."
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Seems like these Vultures only come out when they hop on the bandwagon.. Many new faces hating and reppin Bucs..
Where the fuck were you all at the begining of the season??
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206. "Jon Gruden"
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was the difference in the game.

he was prepared for the raiders, they weren't prepared for him.

after a day to reflect, i believe this even more.

say what you will about the bucs defense, they win this super bowl because of gruden.

i think john lynch said it best during the game: 'they're running everything we practiced against'.

granted, the bucs would probably have beaten any of the other afc teams coming into the superbowl. but, he is the reason the game was a blowout.
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Gruden's knowledge dumbfounds old team
Ann Killion
Mercury News Staff Columnist


SAN DIEGO - Turns out, the teacher knew best.

He knew more. In fact, Jon Gruden appeared to know everything. And his former pupils -- Raiders coaches and players -- were left looking as if they never enrolled in Super Bowl 101.

On Sunday night, in balmy weather that made the Tampa Bay Buccaneers feel right at home, Gruden was also in his ultimate comfort zone. His current team hit all the right buttons and dismantled his former team 48-21.

The man Al Davis traded for four high draft picks and $8 million was such a commanding presence in sport's ultimate game that he made the Glazer family look as if it got a steal.

And though safety Dexter Jackson was named most valuable player, the Super Bowl's most valuable player was really a Buccaneers quarterback. A backup quarterback. A scrub who ran just 12 plays in practice.

Jon Gruden.

On Thursday, Gruden went behind center to face his starting defense.

``The film illustrates that I was an intimidating presence underneath center,'' Gruden said.

Uh, not really. He completed just two passes and had his players in stitches.

``He shredded us because we were laughing so hard,'' safety John Lynch said.

But Gruden wasn't there only to provide comic relief. He was there because he wanted to simulate Rich Gannon for his defense. He wanted to re-create Gannon's pace, his tempo, his thinking and his desire for perfection.

``Rich hates to get a bad play and will go to great lengths to audible,'' Lynch said. ``He wanted to stress that.''

Monte Kiffin, the Bucs' undervalued defensive coordinator and a man the 49ers should seriously think about interviewing for their coaching vacancy, appreciated the input.

``Who knows Gannon better than he does?'' Kiffin asked.

Turns out Gruden did more than just stress Gannon's tendencies. He gave his players concrete information.

``It helped because we heard some of the same terminology from Gruden that Gannon used in the game,'' linebacker Derrick Brooks said.

Apparently. Gannon threw for several Super Bowl touchdowns. They were just mostly to the wrong team. Gannon's five interceptions were a Super Bowl record, as were the three interceptions that were returned for touchdowns.

``It was like they were in our playbook,'' Raiders guard Mo Collins said. ``I can only wonder why and how that happened.''

Midway through the first half, Lynch -- who was wearing an ABC microphone -- said with astonishment that the Raiders were running everything the defense had practiced against.

One would hope the Raiders had figured out they needed to change some terminology before facing their old coach. Gruden dismissed his knowledge of the Raiders' audibles as ``a conspiracy theory.''

That was a subtle dig at the uber-paranoid Raiders. And it wasn't his only one. Twice Gruden used the term ``one-dimensional'' when talking about the Raiders' offense. That is, of course, the pass-happy offense he was supposed to have suffocated last season with his desire for balance.

Gruden, the youngest coach to win a Super Ball, knew his defense could stop the passing game. And he knew the Raiders couldn't or wouldn't run.

``If you're going to throw the ball against our defense, good luck,'' Gruden said. ``When you say forward pass, they say `bring it on.' ''

Raiders defensive players, such as safety Rod Woodson, said it should have worked both ways. That the Raiders' defense should have been just as prepared for Gruden's offense.

But it wasn't. Gruden ran the ball at the Raiders' defense, ranked third against the run, with success. Woodson second-guessed some defensive calls, wondering why the Raiders abandoned their base defense in favor of nickel when they knew Gruden would run.

It became clear that the Raiders were trying to outthink Gruden but ended up outthinking themselves. Gruden was in the Raiders' head.

From the moment Gruden took the field for warm-ups, when Al Davis stood about 20 feet away from him but neither man acknowledged each other, the Super Bowl was a Gruden head game.

His scowl was leering out at the Raiders from the scoreboard. At the end of the game, when Dwight Smith was running an interception back for a touchdown, Gruden ran down the sideline with Smith, jumping and whooping with joy.

``It's kind of hard to stand there and be tranquil. You know what I mean?'' he asked.

His team wasn't tranquil. It was full of energy. The Raiders were the ones who seemed passive, almost lifeless at times. Though some of that may be attributed to the bizarre Barret Robbins incident, Warren Sapp said the difference-maker was Gruden.

``Their whole thing was their tempo, their tempo,'' Sapp said. ``But we got their coach and he brought that tempo to us.''

After Gruden had justified the Glazers' trade for him in a way no one could have predicted, he sidestepped his personal connections with the Raiders. He said he had spoken with Gannon and Jerry Rice but wasn't taking any personal satisfaction in beating the team that refused to give him a legitimate contract extension.

``I won't gloat,'' he said. ``That's a team I spent four years of my life with. I'm proud to see them. It's been an emotional week. You hear guys laughing behind your back, the `he said, she said.' I apologize about how I got here, any feelings I have hurt.''

But the Raiders were in his past. A raucous party was in Gruden's immediate future. Gruden -- before posing with wife Cindy and sons Deuce, Michael and Jayson -- said he wouldn't be waking up at 3:17 this morning.

``At least now I can explain to my wife and kids that this is why we work,'' he said. ``The Super Bowl at least gives me some explanation.''

Cindy could tell -- at least in the few moments when she saw her husband in the past week -- that there was an added layer of emotion. There was for her, as well. Before the game she ran into some Raiders wives and got choked up.

``We told each other, `We're not going to let a Super Bowl get between us,' '' she said.

Maybe not. But this Super Bowl will stand forever between Gruden and the Raiders.

It stands as a testament to what the Raiders gave up. And to just how far they still need to go to match their old teacher.


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208. "RE: The Official Superbowl Raiders vs Bucs post"
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Unlike some of these so called raider fans, I'm here on okp too continue to rep my squad. We took an L, to a better team (that day) and it's a wrap, congrats to TB on their 1st ring. And thanks to a shrewd al davis deal we will still be in the hunt once gannon, rice, romo, adams, rod are gone, cuz we will have 2 TB 1sts and 2nd round picks. Good lookin out





Still the best winning percentage of any pro sports team, learn about it. The Raiders

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209. "The future..."
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>gone, cuz we will have 2 TB 1sts and 2nd round picks. Good
>lookin out

Well, you already used two of those picks on Buchanon and Harris (both very good picks BTW)...and the worst case scenario worked out, with the Bucs getting the very last pick in the draft.

Not to mention the cap problems...

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224. "Post Game Analysis"
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This is from espn's tuesday morning quarterback.

as far as i've read, this is the best analysis of what happened during the game, why the bucs won, why the raiders lost, the effect of barret robbins, the great coaching (gruden and kiffen), and not great coaching (callahan).

i've edited the article, pulling only the super bowl parts out (he delves into other topics many times)

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/tmq/030128.html

Why are you punting?
By Gregg Easterbrook
Page 2 columnist


Say this about the City of Tampa Buccaneers: They saved the best for last. Sports lore holds that great teams play their best game as their last game, and the Bucs passed that test. Some clubs arrive at the Super Bowl thinking, "Okay, we're here, better not blow it." Others arrive thinking, "This is what it has all been building up to," and play their finest game ever. That's what the Patriots did in the Super Bowl last year, what the Ravens did in the Super Bowl the year before that, what the Broncos did against the Packers a few years earlier, what the Cowboys did against the Bills a few years before that.


Great teams develop a belief that everything is leading toward one magnificent performance. Tampa showed that spirit Sunday. Coulda-been-great teams view getting to the Super Bowl as their vindication and, of course, hope to play well, but are not totally focused. The thought "oh well, we'll get the ball back" runs through the minds of coulda-been-great teams at the Super Bowl -- Buffalo of the 1990s, Minnesota of the 1970s -- while for the great teams every play, every second-and-six, is the single most important thing the players have ever done in their lives.


Great teams understand that all of their hard work transpired exclusively to create the moment of championship, and that they must leave everything on the field. Tampa left everything on the field Sunday; the Raiders left quite a bit back at the hotel, if not in safety-deposit boxes in Switzerland. The Buccaneers may never play like that again, and if they don't it doesn't matter. They saved the best for last.


These things said, to TMQ the determining factors were not the Tampa zone nor the big interceptions, but the Tampa offensive game plan and the breakdown of the Raiders' offensive line. Throw in rookie coach Bill Callahan going fraidy-cat with what may be the Single Worst Call in Super Bowl history, and you've got a formula for being punched out. Let's take these in turn.


Tampa's Offensive Game Plan: A top defense stopped a top offense for the nth consecutive time in the Super Bowl. But the performance of the Bucs' offense was as important.


Bear in mind that it was Tampa 6, Oakland 3 in the middle of the second quarter, very much anybody's game. Jon "I Was A Teenaged Coach" Gruden then did the smartest thing a Super Bowl coach could possibly do -- he took TMQ's advice. Last week, TMQ's Super Bowl prediction was, "The game will be won by whichever team surprises the other with a rushing-oriented game plan." At the eight-minute mark of the second, Gruden switched out of an ineffective hurry-up passing game and went to the ground game.


The Bucs put in two tight ends, while, much to TMQ's pleasure, Pro Bowl "fullback" Mike Alstott actually lined up at fullback and threw blocks. For the remainder of the half, Tampa rushed 11 times for 49 yards, threw five times for 43 yards and picked up three first downs on Oakland penalties, as the Raiders defense, expecting a pass-wacky look, seemed to have no idea how to respond to power running. Tampa scored touchdowns on both these second-quarter possessions when it went to the ground, making the count 20-3 at halftime. Everything about the switch to running worked. Two touchdowns in two possessions; Oakland's offense kept off the field while the clock ground; Oakland down 20-3 at the half, its drip-drip-drip attack not designed for comebacks.


Then, on his first possession of the second half -- knowing the Raiders spent halftime adjusting to the run -- Gruden went play-action, to fine effect. Tampa's first possession of the second half was an 89-yard, eight-minute touchdown drive that put the Bucs ahead 27-3 and caused TMQ to write the words "game over" in his notebook, though considerable entertainment remained. On that drive, the Bucs ran seven times and passed seven times, four of them play-action. This was masterful manipulation of an opponent. The effect carried over to help Tampa's defense; the Oakland offense lost heart trying to climb out of a scoreboard hole.


As for TMQ having called this shot -- I am available, my price is two No. 1s, two No. 2s and $8 million.


Oakland's Cover-Your-Eyes Offensive Line: Just how bad was Raiders Pro Bowl tackle Lincoln Kennedy, winner of the TMQ Non-QB Non-RB MVP award? Game tied at three in the first, Oakland on the Tampa 43. Kennedy barely so much as brushes Simeon Rice as he blows in to pressure Rich Gannon into throwing a pick; Kennedy looked like he was courteously stepping aside for the Queen's carriage. Instead of Oakland moving into scoring range, the Bucs drive for a field goal the other way. Kennedy gave up two sacks, had no push and once appeared simply to let go of Warren Sapp to give him a free shot at Gannon as the pass was released. Maybe the international publicity and nonstop mega-babes went to Kennedy's head after he was named TMQ Non-QB Non-RB MVP, but he looked seriously awful. On one snap, Tampa's Greg Spires blew past Kennedy to sack Gannon. Spires is a waiver-wire gentlemen who has bounced around the league. Kennedy made him look like Derrick Thomas in his prime.


The desertion of Raiders Pro Bowl center Barret Robbins -- see Single Worst Play below -- was treated by bobbleheads and sportswriters as an odd sidebar, but may have been the determining moment of the Super Bowl. Oakland denied that the disappearance of a key player on the night for the Super Bowl had any affect, but that's complete hooey. Pregame, the team was visibly deflated by this distraction, and by knowing it would take the field short-handed. Once the whistle sounded, the Long Johns offensive line played its worst game of the year.


TMQ has done several items on the fact that OL play is the essence of Oakland's league-leading offense. Rich Gannon was sacked on average less than twice per game during the regular season, despite the Raiders passing constantly, and as important, consistently had time to scan defenses and wait for those infuriating Oakland "rub" routes to develop. In the Super Bowl, Gannon was under constant pressure, sacked five times and forced into numerous hurried throws that went clang, or into the wrong hands.


The Oakland OL produced one of the worst blocking performances TMQ has ever winced through, in part because its schemes were disrupted. On most plays, one of the guards, Mo Collins or Frank Middleton, helped reserve center Adam Treu handle his man, leaving the Raiders' tackles "on islands." Left tackle Barry Sims usually gets guard help. With Robbins out and Treu getting the help, Sims was cover-your-eyes, too, on two occasions barely so much as waving at Rice before the gentleman blew in to paste Gannon.


On the first Tampa sack, for example, four minutes into game and the Raiders facing third-and-seven, Sims let Rice fly by, at best gesturing in his direction. The Raiders had five blocking four on that play, and Gannon was sacked before he could finish his drop-back. On another sack, Middleton turned to help Sims with Rice; but no one even touched Warren Sapp, who blew in to paste Gannon. Tampa blitzed eight times in the game, meaning there were usually at least five Raiders blockers on four Bucs rushers. Nevertheless, protection was awful.


Note that the game's final phase, when the Tampa defensive line was tired and Gannon had time to scan the field, the Raiders put up two fairly easy-looking touchdowns. Once Gannon had time, suddenly his offense was powerful again and the City of Tampa defense was human again. What we saw in the final 17 minutes of the Super Bowl was the tight, tense, exciting duel we would have seen through the entire game, had Robbins not flaked out and the Oakland line played per usual. In this sense, by disappearing AWOL, Robbins not only shafted his teammates, he shafted the nation, depriving us of a tight, tense, exciting Super Bowl.


Buck-Buck-Brawckkkkkk! It's 20-3 at the half and everything has gone wrong for the Raiders. But they still have the league's top offense and get the ball to start the second half. They know that if they put up two scores, the pressure will shift to Tampa's underwhelming offense.


Oakland takes the kick, runs three plays and faces fourth-and-two on its 35. Bill Callahan sends in the punting unit. No! No! A thousand times no! You're behind by 17 and must make something happen. There's no tomorrow, there is no ranking computer that gives credit for margin of victory or defeat. The Raiders have the No. 1 offense; if the No. 1 offense can't gain two yards, you might as well concede and go get a blueberry-almond martini and watch the ships put out to sea. This is the Super Bowl, there is no tomorrow. Why are you punting?


Over TMQ's house, the sky darkened and lightning flashed on this play as the football gods showed their displeasure. TMQ was screaming at the tube, "No! No!" The football gods exacted prompt revenge; Tampa took the punt and staged the 89-yard, eight-minute drive that made it 27-3 and caused TMQ to write the words "game over" in his notebook. As I wrote, I felt that the football gods were controlling my hand.


TMQ endlessly rails against fraidy-cat NFL coaches who punt when way behind, in order to avoid criticism. (If the players lose, it's their fault, but if the coach orders a gamble and the gamble fails, it's his fault.) Sure fourth-and-two is a risk, but down by 17, you've got to take some chances, and you won't find many chances more attractive than fourth-and-two. Plus there's no tomorrow. Plus it's the Super Bowl. Why are you punting?


Callahan might have been better off gambling and losing than punting. When coaches try for it in situations like these, they are challenging their own players to win the game. When coaches go fraidy-cat in situations like these, they are announcing that the coaches have quit, so the players might as well too.


After touchdowns made it Tampa 34-9, then 34-15, then 34-21 late in the third through the mid-fourth, Callahan never ordered an onside kick, either. Sure an onside is a gamble. But you're behind and time is running out and it's the Super Bowl. Why aren't you playing to win rather than for a respectable final margin of defeat? Driven to mighty fury, the football gods denied Oakland even that.

'Tis Better to Have Rushed and Lost Than Never to Have Rushed at All: Super Bowl tied at three at the end of the first quarter, Oakland faced third-and-two on the City of Tampa 43. It's anybody's game. The Bucs stopped a short run on the previous play, so won't be expecting another run, and they have the league's No. 1 pass defense, while their run defense is human. You can't win the Super Bowl unless you can run for two yards; plus, given the field position, if you pick up one yard, then you go for it on fourth. Run! Instead it's an empty-backfield roll-out play, Rich Gannon sprints backwards, bad pass, intercepted, Tampa scores on its possession. You can't win the Super Bowl if you can't run for two yards.


At the start of the third quarter the Raiders again faced third-and-two and again Gannon sprinted backward, this time for an incompletion. You can't win the Super Bowl if you can't run for two yards.


Single Worst Play of Super Bowl XXXVII: The Single Worst Play happened on Saturday when Robbins went AWOL. At this writing it remained unclear why. Maybe Robbins has some genuine psychological affliction that we should not judge; maybe he's an incredible jerk. Whatever the reason, he totally shafted over his team, setting up its offensive line for its collapse.


Stat of the Week: The Tampa defense outscored the Oakland offense, 21-15.


Stat of the Week No. 2: In three playoff games, the Buccaneer defense allowed three touchdowns while scoring four touchdowns.


Stat of the Week No. 3: Oakland recorded 19 yards rushing.


Stat of the Week No. 4: Bill Romanowski became the 12th player to appear in five Super Bowls. Just one gentleman has played in six: Mike Lodish. You knew that, right?


Stat of the Week No. 5: Jerry Rice acquired one of the few possible records he does not already own, most touchdowns in postseason play -- 22 -- passing Thurman Thomas and Emmitt Smith.


Stat of the Week No. 6: Tampa can't run? The 2003 NFL postseason rushing leader was Michael Pittman of the Bucs.


Stats of the Week No. 7: Through its 17 games, Tampa's pass defenders allowed 11 touchdown completions while recording 40 interceptions and running back eight for touchdowns.


Stat of the Week No. 8: The cumulative passer rating of Tampa opponents through all 17 games was 44.8. Ryan Leaf's career rating was 50.

The Deuce Disasters: The Raiders were right to go for deuces after every touchdown. Normally, TMQ says take the 99 percent chance of one over the 40 percent chance of two, but Oakland was so far behind it needed every point.


All three Oakland deuce attempts, however, were regular passes from regular sets. TMQ's immutable law of the goal line says that you can power-run, play-fake or rollout, but a regular pass won't work because at that point the defense has so little territory to defend. Pittsburgh, for all its faults this season, was awesome on deuce plays, because every call involved rollouts and trickery. Oakland, poised at the goal line, used a regular pass from a regular set three times and went oh-fer-three. Ay caramba.

Raiders: Don't Walk Out Over This One, Okay? Going for two after making it 34-21 with six minutes left, Oakland threw to Jerry Porter, who appeared to catch it in the air and be pushed out. TMQ thought it was a classic force-out and that the catch should have counted; the zebra on the scene thought otherwise; Callahan challenged and announcers talked about how a force-out cannot be reviewed, as by quirk, some rulings including force-out are not subject to review; after review, the play stood as called, no catch. Please, Raider Nation, don't claim this is more evidence of the international Zionist-Hindu conspiracy against you. (When TMQ lived in Pakistan, local newspapers were full of talk of "Zionist-Hindu" schemes to control the world.)


Everyone missed that the zebra on the scene did not rule that Porter was out of bounds -- he ruled pass incomplete. Porter held the ball, flew through the air and then, as he came down, the ball hit the ground and bounced. NFL rules now say that if a receiver catches in the air and appears to have possession and control, but the ball bounces when he hits the ground, it's incomplete. TMQ has doubts about that rule -- in common-sense terms, Porter's play looked good to me. Just as, in common-sense terms, Charles Woodson sure made Tom Brady fumble in the Snow Bowl. But in terms of the rules, Brady didn't fumble and Porter did not make the catch. Zebras were right both times.


The only reason referee Bill Carollo allowed the Raiders to challenge is that what they were challenging was a ruling of incompletion, not force-out: a complete/incomplete judgment can be reversed. All you had to do to know this was to watch the zebra immediately give the sign for incompletion, not the sign for receiver out of bounds.

Sweet Play of the Day: Leading 13-3, Tampa had first-and-goal on the Oakland five with 34 seconds in the half. Receiver Keenan McCardell split right, covered by Charles Woodson. For this situation, NFL teams have fallen in love with the "fade," in which the receiver runs shallow to the pin at the corner of the end zone, looking over his shoulder back across the defender. McCardell took off as if for a fade, and Woodson turned to defend a ball coming over his head. Brad Johnson then deliberately underthrew the pass, and McCardell turned the other way to catch it behind his body as Woodson kept watching for the fade action. This is a modern variation on the old deliberate-underthrow that Joe Namath used to Don Maynard, on plays that cornerbacks thought were fly patterns, and it was the beauty play of the Super Bowl.


Sweet Play If It Had Come, Oh, Two Quarters Sooner: Oakland trailing 34-15 with six minutes left, Gannon hit Jerry Rice on beauty post route for a 48-yard touchdown and the Raiders' last-gasp. Fifty-four minutes had ticked off the clock, and this was the only the second time Gannon had thrown down the deep middle. No one has ever beaten a two-deep zone defense by throwing nothing but outs and to the short middle, which is what the Raiders had tried to this point. The post is Rice's best route -- remember how he killed the Bolts with it in the Niners-Chargers Super Bowl? -- yet Oakland had Rice spend the day running sideways. Yumpin' jiminy.

Precision Blitzing: Though many local-newscast-class sportswriters attributed the dominant City of Tampa defensive performance to blitzing, the Bucs blitzed eight times on 55 Oakland snaps -- 15 percent blitzing, less than the league average of about 20 percent. But when Tampa did blitz, it was often effective because, rather than blitz on third-and-long as every NFL offensive coordinator expects every defensive coordinator to do, the Bucs blitzed when the Raiders weren't expecting it.


Monte Kiffin did not call his first blitz until the 10-minute mark of the second quarter, and it came on a first-and-10. Gannon appeared so rattled by a corner blitz on a non-blitz down that he sailed the ball right to Dexter Jackson for the interception, though Gannon had time. On the first snap of Oakland's next possession, again first-and-10 and the first play after a corner blitz -- you'd never expect that twice in a row, right? -- Kiffin called the same thing, forcing Gannon to throw the ball away.


And In My Memories, I Was Constantly Being Asked Out by Hot Babes: After Oakland missed its third of three two-point conversion attempts and trailed by 13 instead of 10 points as it would have been had the Raiders taken singletons, John Madden reminisced, "When I was coaching in this league, I never went for two until the very end, regardless of the scoreboard. I believed in always taking one point unless it was the very end."


Surely, Madden is in sync with TMQ's immutable law of the conversion: Take One Till the Fourth. But John -- when you were a head coach, there was no two-point option. Madden ran the Raiders from 1969 to 1978. The old AFL two-point rule was ended when the AFL and old NFL merged in 1967. The deuce conversion option was not reinstated until 1994.

Oh Ye Mortals, Trifle Not with the Football Gods Jerry Porter of the Raiders had the incredible gall to call the Tampa defensive backs, who outscored the entire Oakland offense, "awful across the board, they're awful". The football gods will exact vengeance on Porter for this.


But note that the story, from the New York Daily News, says that not only did Jon "I Was a Teenaged Coach" Gruden play Rich Gannon in Bucs practices: he told Bucs defensive players the Raiders' audible code-words, and the Raiders came into the Super Bowl not having changed their code words. Oakland knew Gruden knew its audible codes and yet kept them! The Daily News says that during the game, when Gannon barked audibles, Tampa defenders immediately called out the play. Ye gods.



  

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