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"Washington D.C. football 2010 offseason post"


  

          

Zorn's gone in the next 24 hours. Shanny is the leading candidate. Allen should draft the OT Okung from OKST but Danny is gonna make him take Clausen or Bradford. Do we stick with Campbell another year? Change up the defensive scheme? Is Buges gonna walk? Anyone else care if Portis is cut? Once again major changes ahead for the offseason paper champs/free agent chumps. Who do you want to get in the draft?

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Report: HC, OC, DC all gone in 24 hours.
Jan 03rd 2010
1
This upcoming draft will say a lot.
Jan 03rd 2010
2
They dont have to draft OL to be serious about the future.
Jan 04th 2010
13
      They "should" stick with JC but if I were JC I'd want let go
Jan 04th 2010
14
           the smart move may be to trade the pick to a team that wants a QB
Jan 04th 2010
16
                You're thinking rationally, something our owner doesn't do
Jan 04th 2010
17
I propose we pool our money and buy out Snyder
Jan 04th 2010
3
Rumor is you're getting Shanahan, who wouldn't come to be a puppet.
Jan 04th 2010
4
      true, but we need a symbolic move also
Jan 04th 2010
6
           You need to hope Okung makes it to 4.
Jan 04th 2010
9
                I think tackles are priority numero uno, but linemen in general
Jan 04th 2010
10
Official: Jim Zorn Fired..
Jan 04th 2010
5
I've heard Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer as the likely coordinators
Jan 04th 2010
7
both would be great forward thinking hires
Jan 04th 2010
8
      The Shanahans are a done deal...Zimmer would impress me
Jan 04th 2010
15
hahaha damn Steinberg was champin at the bit for this one:
Jan 04th 2010
11
lol
Jan 04th 2010
12
Steinberg's an idiot
Jan 04th 2010
18
      why you say that? He's great man
Jan 04th 2010
23
Hearing Campbell talk on Lavar... I don't think he wants back.
Jan 04th 2010
19
Hopefully he comes back
Jan 04th 2010
20
This organization has dragged him through the mud basically.
Jan 04th 2010
21
      He needs to go to the Niners, Rams, Browns
Jan 04th 2010
22
           He needs those teams like he needs a hole in the head, cmon.
Jan 04th 2010
24
           I doubt Washington wants to keep him and I don't think JC wants
Jan 05th 2010
25
                Oh I agree. But the teams you named are worse options.
Jan 05th 2010
27
                     Niners is a better squad
Jan 06th 2010
33
           he needs to go to Carolina
Jan 05th 2010
28
                And the truth will set them free
Jan 05th 2010
29
where else could he go that wouldnt be a downgrade
Jan 05th 2010
26
Shanahan Hired: 5 years, $35 million (swipe)
Jan 06th 2010
30
nothing has changed
Jan 06th 2010
31
      pretty much.
Jan 06th 2010
32
      two weeks ago you went as far as saying you liked it
Jan 07th 2010
39
           that was if Shanny didnt have personnel control, i think
Jan 07th 2010
40
                yup. GM-coach: bad
Jan 07th 2010
42
      i doubt he's worse than Gibbs II
Jan 06th 2010
34
      I kinda agree with this.
Jan 06th 2010
35
      haha. let's remember this post
Jan 06th 2010
36
      Every 2 years. Rinse. Repeat.
Jan 07th 2010
44
      I'm a huge skin fan and not in favor of this move
Jan 07th 2010
46
      This is starting to feel like the same story.
Jan 06th 2010
37
      I can't stomach this cynicism anymore
Jan 07th 2010
38
           is is the goal to win a superbowl or be better than the crap we've had?
Jan 07th 2010
41
                lethal.
Jan 07th 2010
43
                If your goal is to win a Super Bowl right away, you're deluded.
Jan 07th 2010
45
                     you absolutely nailed it. Superb.
Jan 07th 2010
47
                     Its not about winning right now.
Jan 07th 2010
48
                          You don't get it. Right now, what you want is impossible.
Jan 13th 2010
67
                               not upset, just not excited.
Jan 13th 2010
71
I think the Skins improve depending on what Shanahan brings.
Jan 07th 2010
49
we'll go from awful to mediocre.
Jan 07th 2010
50
      jesus christ man, what could they have done better for you
Jan 07th 2010
51
           I think Smuts has made it clear what he wanted in order to be happy
Jan 07th 2010
52
           what makes you think Allen is a "yes" man?
Jan 08th 2010
54
                he's a cap/negotiations guy. he's not even the real GM.
Jan 08th 2010
55
           sorry, I meant to write 'future contender'
Jan 07th 2010
53
Jim Haslett named Defensive Coordinator
Jan 13th 2010
56
Haynesworth is going to have to be in shape and play nose
Jan 13th 2010
57
That is my thought
Jan 13th 2010
58
Haynesworth could be a 3-4 DE in a 1-Gap system
Jan 13th 2010
64
      Right, but none of those D's have players as large and out of shape
Jan 14th 2010
73
           he's such a dickhead yo
Jan 14th 2010
74
it would put Albert at nose tackle apparently
Jan 13th 2010
59
man! terrible move! what is snyder THINKING
Jan 13th 2010
60
Wait, didn't you want Jay Cutler?
Jan 13th 2010
61
you don't form coherent arguments
Jan 13th 2010
62
I have no thoughts on the 3-4 one way or the other
Jan 13th 2010
63
yeeeah. ok. this organization will remain a joke.
Jan 13th 2010
65
Considering Zimmer turned them down, this is inoffensive.
Jan 13th 2010
68
      Cincy had first dibs
Jan 13th 2010
69
           Oh I don't blame him at all either. Just saying.
Jan 13th 2010
70
I'm going to be in wait-and-see mode
Jan 13th 2010
66
so I wanna take a look at an oft-ignored need of ours: LB
Jan 14th 2010
72
big ass HD screens being installed in Fed-Ex Field end zones:
Jan 20th 2010
75
Bwahahahhaha SF's O-line coach
Jan 22nd 2010
76
O-line coaches don't mean shit if the talent ain't there
Jan 22nd 2010
77
^^^ "this dude" ^^^ *snickers*
Jan 22nd 2010
78
Iono dude, you sound butt-hurt
Jan 22nd 2010
79
      Nah im just amused
Jan 22nd 2010
80
           They're idiots
Jan 22nd 2010
81
Thrilled to see Fletch in the Pro Bowl
Jan 25th 2010
82
rumor has it, should Favre decline his nomination....
Jan 25th 2010
83
John Clayton says we'll be tendering JC for a 1st and 3rd pick
Feb 17th 2010
84
Yup. I like it.
Feb 17th 2010
88
      Kiper has Clausen as the #4 pick now.
Feb 17th 2010
89
           Kiper is a buffoon
Feb 17th 2010
90
           I say Clausen isn't #4, and I know as much as Kiper does.
Mar 01st 2010
94
why not deal Portis for Cromartie and a pick
Feb 17th 2010
85
Damn you think AJ is dumb? Why the fuck would the Chargers
Feb 17th 2010
86
      what he said.
Feb 17th 2010
87
'Redskins expected to pursue Julius Peppers'
Mar 01st 2010
91
I don't think that happens
Mar 01st 2010
92
in bittersweet news, Chris Samuels will retire
Mar 01st 2010
93
it's the right move for him
Mar 01st 2010
95
Just another reason o-line is a must
Mar 01st 2010
96
Campbell tendered for a first round pick
Mar 03rd 2010
97
I swear if they draft Clausen at 4 I'm gonna be pissed!!!!
Apr 02nd 2010
98
they won't. I'm convinced its a diversion.
Apr 02nd 2010
99
At first I thought it was an April Fool's joke
Apr 02nd 2010
100
i agree. we are getting an OT.
Apr 02nd 2010
102
      If they want a QB then that's out of our control
Apr 02nd 2010
103
I'm curious to see what GM Shanahan does.
Apr 02nd 2010
101
well, its what got him fired in Denver
Apr 02nd 2010
104
      Yup.
Apr 02nd 2010
105
You my friend are not the only one...
Apr 02nd 2010
112
I just hope that all this is a smoke screen and they're really taking Ok...
Apr 02nd 2010
106
Anyone with half a brain drafts OL with our first two picks
Apr 02nd 2010
107
Skins sign.... Willie Parker?
Apr 02nd 2010
108
3 broken RBs = 1 starting RB?
Apr 02nd 2010
109
For some reason I see this as a good thing...
Apr 02nd 2010
111
you mean like shanahan having 15 billion running backs?
Apr 02nd 2010
110
      ha. true.
Apr 02nd 2010
113
*ahem*skinstradeformcnabb*ahem*
Apr 05th 2010
114
Another year of not rebuilding, and not having a plan
Apr 05th 2010
115
      Thom Loverro made a good point on 980 today...
Apr 05th 2010
117
      RE: Another year of not rebuilding, and not having a plan
Apr 23rd 2010
126
           take out the '99 season which had nothing to do with him
Apr 23rd 2010
128
Shanahan the GM is already doing a great job
Apr 05th 2010
116
again, if they wanted a QB then that's out of our control
Apr 05th 2010
118
One starting offensive lineman down. Two more needed.
Apr 22nd 2010
119
^^^
Apr 22nd 2010
120
Ovie and Backstrom?
Apr 22nd 2010
121
Dez Bryant Pick as it relates to the Skins
Apr 23rd 2010
122
Our DBs are okay. Hall is good. Carlos is solid.
Apr 23rd 2010
123
      Carlos who?
Apr 23rd 2010
124
           The nigga wit the stone hands
Apr 23rd 2010
125
                He's still a decent cover corner
Apr 23rd 2010
127
                     Who do you put him one on one with
Apr 23rd 2010
129
                          We're getting ahead of ourselves
Apr 23rd 2010
130

Frank Longo
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1. "Report: HC, OC, DC all gone in 24 hours."
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In 24 hours, various media outlets are saying sources say the whole main coaching core will be out of a job.

Which is how it should be.

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2. "This upcoming draft will say a lot."
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If they take Clausen or Bradford, be prepared for at least 10 more years of b-sh*t. However, if a lineman is selected, then the organization might be serious with turning the franchise around. Coaches and players come and go; but, as a lifetime fan, i've never felt so helpless about the future of this team.

  

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13. "They dont have to draft OL to be serious about the future. "
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There are large holes everywhere except D-line, WR and QB. The first round should just be the best player available. If they can find a Brian Orakpo caliber player at CB, OLB, OL any would be smart to draft. If Suh is around, take him too.

The WaPo keeps saying that Shanahan wants to draft a young QB that he can turn into the Good Jay Cutler. That scares me, but if it happens it wont be snyders fault.

Drafting the next robert gallery, mike williams, or andre johnson for the sake of drafting OL does not excite me.

  

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14. "They "should" stick with JC but if I were JC I'd want let go"
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Rumor has it Kyle Shanahan will be the next OC so JC will have to learn ANOTHER offense. People complain about his up and down play; but i think that's just representative of the organization he plays for.

Plus, do you really think any of the college QBs coming out this year would be an upgrade?

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16. "the smart move may be to trade the pick to a team that wants a QB"
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in addition to the obvious issues with the o-line, the safeties, corners and olbs are either mediocre or lack depth. fletcher is getting old. the d-line isnt young either. more picks the better.

  

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17. "You're thinking rationally, something our owner doesn't do"
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3. "I propose we pool our money and buy out Snyder"
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otherwise,
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everything will end in travesty.

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4. "Rumor is you're getting Shanahan, who wouldn't come to be a puppet."
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Combine that with a GM famous for being a pennypincher, and it seems like Snyder is serious about making a change.

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6. "true, but we need a symbolic move also"
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we're wounded. We need proof in the roster. Now if they cut Portis or drafted a linemen with their first pick then there'd be some visual proof of their commitment to progress

  

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9. "You need to hope Okung makes it to 4."
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If Spags take Suh with the 1st pick, and either Detroit or TB takes Okung (and they both could use him for their franchise qbs), then Clausen or Bradford are gonna look sexy at 4. It'd be horrible but consistent decision-making from the Skins front office.

Personally, I think between Gerald McCoy, Eric
Berry, and Russell okung, it'd be hard to totally blow the pick unless they pick a qb. Left guard is priority number one, but if Berry somehow fell... Boy oh boy, they're in desperate need of a playmaker in that secondary.

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10. "I think tackles are priority numero uno, but linemen in general"
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I don't know how a competent GM could look at this team and think there's a more glaring need at any other position than offensive lineman

  

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5. "Official: Jim Zorn Fired.."
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7. "I've heard Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer as the likely coordinators"
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8. "both would be great forward thinking hires"
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15. "The Shanahans are a done deal...Zimmer would impress me"
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11. "hahaha damn Steinberg was champin at the bit for this one:"
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18. "Steinberg's an idiot"
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23. "why you say that? He's great man"
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19. "Hearing Campbell talk on Lavar... I don't think he wants back."
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At the very least, he's leaving the door WIIIIIIIIDE open. Lavar and Chad asked him directly two or three times if he wanted to be with the Skins next year, yes or no, and Campbell danced around the answer while talking about how tough this past season has been.

He's such a charming guy to listen to, and it's clear he works his ass off to be liked. I would hope he'd come back.

Chad also gave him the set-up for the "black quarterbacks get unfair" comment, but Campbell of course didn't bite.

Campbell also notably said he's a starter in this league, and is not interested in being an insurance policy or being the potential 2nd banana in some quarterback controversy. Rightfully so, I might add. Have you seen his numbers versus Carson Palmer's? They're really BETTER, and Palmer had the better line and run game! lol

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20. "Hopefully he comes back"
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he's by FAR our best QB option for '10

But I can't blame him if no amount of money would convince him to stay.

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21. "This organization has dragged him through the mud basically. "
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Its damn near abuse what he's had to go through. They almost traded him and haven't shown him any sort of support since before Gibbs left.

He doesn't really have much of a reason to stay with this team. No offensive line, no support from upstairs. He's done pretty decent with a diva organization and I hope he goes to a team that supports him like he deserves.


  

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22. "He needs to go to the Niners, Rams, Browns"
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I would also add in the Raiders but he might actually make that team competitive.

However, I would avoid the Seahawks and Jim Mora Jr if I were him.

  

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24. "He needs those teams like he needs a hole in the head, cmon."
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The Redskins have a better shot at playoffs in the next two years than those teams do. They'll have Shanahan, a young new talented left tackle, and a cleaned house.

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25. "I doubt Washington wants to keep him and I don't think JC wants"
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to stay in Washington either, this is going to be a mutual breakup.

  

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27. "Oh I agree. But the teams you named are worse options."
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He's not trying to eat turf for an entire season with a NEW team.

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33. "Niners is a better squad"
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easier competition in their division, Michael Crabtree +Vernon Davis = better targets than DC has, less pressure and a strong defense. bring him in and improve the O-line/get another RB option cuz gore has definitely lost something and they're competitive with the Cards.

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28. "he needs to go to Carolina"
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that team + a decent QB = NFC contender

JC + that offense = good NFL QB

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29. "And the truth will set them free"
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26. "where else could he go that wouldnt be a downgrade"
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30. "Shanahan Hired: 5 years, $35 million (swipe)"
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=adj1MsCJW4nI

Jan. 6 (Bloomberg) -- The Washington Redskins signed two- time Super Bowl winner Mike Shanahan as their new head coach.

Shanahan will be introduced at a press conference this afternoon, the National Football League team said today on its Web site. Shanahan won two NFL titles during his 14 seasons with the Broncos.

Jim Zorn was fired for leading the Redskins to a 4-12 record this season. Shanahan will be the seventh coach in Daniel Snyder’s 11 years as Redskins’ owner.

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31. "nothing has changed"
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Bruce Allen is not a GM/personnel/evaluator type guy...he is a salary-cap type guy.

Shanahan is running the entire show with Snyder backing him up.

This is similar to the Joe Gibbs II scenario.

Snyder has a coach that he can respect enough to get the players he wants.

BUT...Shanahan having total say in personnel did not work well in Denver. thats what got him fired.

shanahan is not a better Coach than Gibbs II either.

he'll get the Skins to 9-7's or 10-6's at best....maybe.


Snyder will never hire a Bill Polian type. That means he would be rendered useless. That will never happen.

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32. "pretty much."
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39. "two weeks ago you went as far as saying you liked it"
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and you're the most cynical of cynical skins fans.

  

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40. "that was if Shanny didnt have personnel control, i think"
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which by all accounts he does. and he is by most accounts not good at it. same with Allen.

  

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42. "yup. GM-coach: bad"
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Coach Shanny? Good.

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34. "i doubt he's worse than Gibbs II"
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gibbs personally lost several games. the game had clearly passed him
and his ancient coaching staff by.

shanny hasnt been out the game that long, and he's beady eyed.
beady eyed people stay sharp

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35. "I kinda agree with this."
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I just don't believe giving coaches GM power.

I hope it works out, but I'm really uneasy about this setup.

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36. "haha. let's remember this post"
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so you can eat your L.

let the pessimistic cynics and the emo skins fans band together and try to downplay the significance of this move.

meanwhile, the skins fans over here can finally get a little excited about the start of a new regime.

we shall see.

  

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44. "Every 2 years. Rinse. Repeat."
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>the skins fans over here can finally get a little excited
>about the start of a new regime.

Really, that's all you guys want. So enjoy it.

As with Gibbs II, Shanny will go 9-7 or 10-6 some years with the occasional playoff win, but we won't be perennial contenders.

Progress? Yes.

Good enough? No.

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46. "I'm a huge skin fan and not in favor of this move"
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But hey what do I know, I didn't want Cutler here either and that seems to be working out pretty well.

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37. "This is starting to feel like the same story."
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Just with different characters.

I totally cosign this post.

I felt this way when I saw the first game this season. Like I know this ending and its not gonna go too well. I have that same exact feeling with this coach.

  

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38. "I can't stomach this cynicism anymore"
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we wanted him to hire a GM, he did.
we wanted him to hire a capable coach, he did.

in the presser, he didn't sit on the stage.

we know nothing else. As I said above, we need a symbolic move ie either cutting Portis soon or drafting linemen. But you can't front on his statements about JC. Everyone just bitches and bitches and bitches and I'm sick of it.

If you don't think Allen/Shanahan is an upgrade over Cerrato/Zorn then you're just reveling in the hatred.

  

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41. "is is the goal to win a superbowl or be better than the crap we've had?"
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i used to agree with you, but everything that has happened since allen was hired is suspect.

there is no doubt that shanny/allen is better than snyderatto and zorn. but so what? its clear now that snyder didnt hire a gm. he hired a cap guy and team manager who is not great at the draft and was *selected by the coach*.

this is not the case of hiring a gm who knows football and personnel and who then hires a new coach he feels can move the team forward in the future a la harbaugh, smith, tomlin, wisenhunt... there is a reason to hire fresh blood. coaches dont win superbowls with multiple teams.

the biggest issue over snyder's tenure has been team building. so he gets a P.R. bump by firing vinny, and not standing at on a stage but the truth is he hired two buddies of his who aren't strong in this teams area of weakness. shanahan is a great coach, but has proven unable to consistently built a contending team. with his offensive history, the skins should be better than they were during gibbs 2.0. the defense he's inherited is decent. based on what he did in denver, there is no reason to believe that shanahan has what it takes today to keep the defense stocked with talent or to even hire the right staff. shanahan had three d-cordinators in his last three years and seems unable to pick a good coach. frankly, we are lucky his son wants to work with him.

  

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43. "lethal."
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>is the goal to win a superbowl or be better than the crap we've had?

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45. "If your goal is to win a Super Bowl right away, you're deluded."
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The fact is, Allen and Shanahan are a HUGE improvement over Vinny and Zorn in a large number of ways.

1. Name recognition. Players WANT to play for Shanny. Coordinators WANT to work with Shanny. Doesn't always work (Joe Gibbs 2.0), but it's a start to get back to the playoffs, which, let's face it, is a HUGE step for this team at this point.

2. Past money problems. They use to spend willy-nilly on whoever their heart was content upon. With a cap guy in there, they will be smarter with money. Did anyone ever accuse Vinny of being a cap guy? People act like it's a huge insult when it's not. The bigger problem for the Skins hasn't been the talent they've brought in (or drafted, honestly), it's been what they've paid for certain talent, leaving gaping holes in depth and other positions.

3. Development of offensive players. SHANNY IS GREAT AT THIS. For examples, see: any running back who did great in Denver and was strictly bum status upon leaving (there are many). Also, see: pretty much any Shanny QB. He helped JAKE PLUMMER be a winner, so imagine what he could do with Campbell, or even with a young rookie QB. The fact that they're bringing in Kyle Shanahan, whose offenses have put up awesome numbers with the Texans as of late, adds to this gigantic perk. An anemic offense has been a trademark of the Skins for the overwhelming majority of Snyder's term-- this should turn that around.

4. Coordinators. Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer, if both officially sign to work with Shanahan, is a formidable pair, and that cannot be denied. I'd do backflips if the Jaguars could potentially get one of these guys as the new coach, much less a coordinator. And for those who have complained about Shanny's age, the fact that he's bringing in young dudes behind him leads me to believe that if in 4 years he hasn't won anything and is tired of it all, he'll have some stud coordinators who have worked with the organization and who will be ready to be potentially good head coaches in the future. You're talking about the guy who OC'd the 4th best offense in the NFL this year and the guy who DC's the 4th best defense in the NFL this year.

5. Media-savvy front office. Allen is better than Cerrato behind the mic. Shanny is miles more confident than Zorn behind the mic (Zorn being one of the worst coaches ever at talking to the media). This has been an area in which the Skins have struggled the last few years, and this could be a way in which people start writing *gasp!* positive things about the Skins again.

6. Confidence and determination. Cerrato and Zorn were both yes men. Allen might be a yes man, but he's made his entire rep on his ability to manage a team's spending well, and he's not going to let that go down the toilet on a Snyder whim. Shanny is particularly stubborn when it comes to drafting and trading, not being afraid to make an unpopular choice if he thinks it's right, and we know Snyder vastly prefers the sexy deal. If anyone can stand up to Snyder, it's these two. And Snyder KNOWS how having these two men in office improve his image, so he's not going to cross the line and piss these guys off in order to buy an aging star for way way too much money. Which goes into the final point...

7. Who would YOU hire? A young new coach with few credentials isn't what this organization needs right now. Those are the coaches that Snyder eats alive, and the media/fans/everyone knows it. None of the people with previous head coaching experience were as good as Shanny, save maybe Cowher who isn't coaching next year. For this moment, right now, Shanny was EASILY the best choice.

Of COURSE they're not going to get to the Super Bowl with Shanny. But that's because the NFC East is too tough and the Skins roster is too full of bullshit players to turn it around completely in the next 3-4 years. But I believe Shanny can take a squad that he sculpts to the playoffs. Which, in my opinion, is a giant leap forward from the assness that is the Skins today.

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47. "you absolutely nailed it. Superb."
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I left the press conference with two thoughts on my mind. One, the motherfucker WANTS to coach and be here. That's irrefutable. Now whether you wanna get into his draft history and personnel decisions that's your prerogative. But the passion is undeniable.

Another thing I noticed is a bunch of dudes who appear to have learned from their mistakes. Shanahan was ushered out because of poor decisions, excessive spending, and too many yes men. So this time he appears to be attempting to prevent his own pitfalls by hiring a great numbers guy and bringing his son in who won't be afraid to voice his opinion. And this was probably just symbolic, but Snyder taking the seat and the absence of trophies went a long way with me. It's as if he said, "ok, I need to hit the reset button for everyone to see."

  

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48. "Its not about winning right now. "
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>The fact is, Allen and Shanahan are a HUGE improvement over
>Vinny and Zorn in a large number of ways.

I am not denying that, but the bar is set kinda low. did snyder make the best move possible toward the goal of winning a title in 3-5 years? No.

>1. Name recognition. Players WANT to play for Shanny.
>Coordinators WANT to work with Shanny. Doesn't always work
>(Joe Gibbs 2.0), but it's a start to get back to the playoffs,
>which, let's face it, is a HUGE step for this team at this
>point.

if you bring in a young coach that commands respect and you bring in players who fit his system and respect his style then you can hire who you want.

>2. Past money problems. They use to spend willy-nilly on
>whoever their heart was content upon. With a cap guy in there,
>they will be smarter with money. Did anyone ever accuse Vinny
>of being a cap guy? People act like it's a huge insult when
>it's not. The bigger problem for the Skins hasn't been the
>talent they've brought in (or drafted, honestly), it's been
>what they've paid for certain talent, leaving gaping holes in
>depth and other positions.

i noted the fact that we have a good cap guy, a good coach and an owner and still missing from the equation is a person with a history of consistently good talent evaluation.

Player acquisition during the spurrier and gibbs years was atrocious. Archuleta, Lloyd, Randle El, Duckett are just the tip of the stupid acquisition list. If a team overpays people and reduces their ability to have depth, they've overestimated the ability of the people they brought. By expecting a few stars to max out their potential instead of winning off of a team effort, the team proves it sucks at talent evaluation.

>3. Development of offensive players. SHANNY IS GREAT AT THIS.
>For examples, see: any running back who did great in Denver
>and was strictly bum status upon leaving (there are many).
>Also, see: pretty much any Shanny QB. He helped JAKE PLUMMER
>be a winner, so imagine what he could do with Campbell, or
>even with a young rookie QB. The fact that they're bringing in
>Kyle Shanahan, whose offenses have put up awesome numbers with
>the Texans as of late, adds to this gigantic perk. An anemic
>offense has been a trademark of the Skins for the overwhelming
>majority of Snyder's term-- this should turn that around.

I agree. My concern is a declining defense.

>4. Coordinators. Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer, if both
>officially sign to work with Shanahan, is a formidable pair,
>and that cannot be denied. I'd do backflips if the Jaguars
>could potentially get one of these guys as the new coach, much
>less a coordinator. And for those who have complained about
>Shanny's age, the fact that he's bringing in young dudes
>behind him leads me to believe that if in 4 years he hasn't
>won anything and is tired of it all, he'll have some stud
>coordinators who have worked with the organization and who
>will be ready to be potentially good head coaches in the
>future. You're talking about the guy who OC'd the 4th best
>offense in the NFL this year and the guy who DC's the 4th best
>defense in the NFL this year.

Gregg Williams.

>5. Media-savvy front office. Allen is better than Cerrato
>behind the mic. Shanny is miles more confident than Zorn
>behind the mic (Zorn being one of the worst coaches ever at
>talking to the media). This has been an area in which the
>Skins have struggled the last few years, and this could be a
>way in which people start writing *gasp!* positive things
>about the Skins again.

Agree. But that just means people will buy jerseys and $9 pizzas again.

>6. Confidence and determination. Cerrato and Zorn were both
>yes men. Allen might be a yes man, but he's made his entire
>rep on his ability to manage a team's spending well, and he's
>not going to let that go down the toilet on a Snyder whim.
>Shanny is particularly stubborn when it comes to drafting and
>trading, not being afraid to make an unpopular choice if he
>thinks it's right, and we know Snyder vastly prefers the sexy
>deal. If anyone can stand up to Snyder, it's these two. And
>Snyder KNOWS how having these two men in office improve his
>image, so he's not going to cross the line and piss these guys
>off in order to buy an aging star for way way too much money.
>Which goes into the final point...

The average players selected by average talent evaluators will have average salary. Its progress, but not enough.

>7. Who would YOU hire? A young new coach with few credentials
>isn't what this organization needs right now. Those are the
>coaches that Snyder eats alive, and the media/fans/everyone
>knows it. None of the people with previous head coaching
>experience were as good as Shanny, save maybe Cowher who isn't
>coaching next year. For this moment, right now, Shanny was
>EASILY the best choice.

he was the best choice among guys who have already done it who are unlikely to do it again. Since Snyder has the itch to overpay people, he should overpay a GM with a proven track record of success and let the GM figure out who the coach should be. Maybe Russ Grimm, maybe Gregg Williams. If snyder doesnt have the composure to let a young guy do his thing then he isnt ready as an owner and i have no reason to get excited about anything he is doing right now.

>Of COURSE they're not going to get to the Super Bowl with
>Shanny. But that's because the NFC East is too tough and the
>Skins roster is too full of bullshit players to turn it around
>completely in the next 3-4 years. But I believe Shanny can
>take a squad that he sculpts to the playoffs. Which, in my
>opinion, is a giant leap forward from the assness that is the
>Skins today.

being competitive is the goal of sh!tty teams with sh!tty histories. not three time super bowl champions. 4-5 years is more than enough time to expect at least a championship appearance. eff the NFC east. based on past division performance, no one would have thought the Bengals would sweep the Ravens and the Steelers. Stuff happens. with the uncapped year, there is no excuse for one of the richest owners in the league to not set his team up with enough flexibility to put a title contender together 4 years from now.

  

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67. "You don't get it. Right now, what you want is impossible."
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>>The fact is, Allen and Shanahan are a HUGE improvement over
>>Vinny and Zorn in a large number of ways.
>
>I am not denying that, but the bar is set kinda low. did
>snyder make the best move possible toward the goal of winning
>a title in 3-5 years? No.

Actually, he did. He needs a coach and a GM with brass cujones to attempt to veto his meddling ways. A young, first-time coach will not do this. Shanny will. Will he win a Super Bowl? Probably not, no... but he will deliver quality product and establish a NEW type of coach/owner relationship, despite Snyder's disposition towards interference.

>>1. Name recognition. Players WANT to play for Shanny.
>>Coordinators WANT to work with Shanny. Doesn't always work
>>(Joe Gibbs 2.0), but it's a start to get back to the
>playoffs,
>>which, let's face it, is a HUGE step for this team at this
>>point.
>
>if you bring in a young coach that commands respect and you
>bring in players who fit his system and respect his style then
>you can hire who you want.

You just don't get Dan Snyder, do you? A young coach wouldn't get to make those choices-- he hasn't in the past, and he wouldn't now. Shanny can.

>>2. Past money problems. They use to spend willy-nilly on
>>whoever their heart was content upon. With a cap guy in
>there,
>>they will be smarter with money. Did anyone ever accuse
>Vinny
>>of being a cap guy? People act like it's a huge insult when
>>it's not. The bigger problem for the Skins hasn't been the
>>talent they've brought in (or drafted, honestly), it's been
>>what they've paid for certain talent, leaving gaping holes
>in
>>depth and other positions.
>
>i noted the fact that we have a good cap guy, a good coach and
>an owner and still missing from the equation is a person with
>a history of consistently good talent evaluation.
>
>Player acquisition during the spurrier and gibbs years was
>atrocious. Archuleta, Lloyd, Randle El, Duckett are just the
>tip of the stupid acquisition list. If a team overpays people
>and reduces their ability to have depth, they've overestimated
>the ability of the people they brought. By expecting a few
>stars to max out their potential instead of winning off of a
>team effort, the team proves it sucks at talent evaluation.

Again, this all ties back to Snyder meddling. Shanny and Allen are there because Snyder is attempting to swallow a bitter pill and put strong-willed people in who will keep him in check. Because he WILL attempt to bring in talent that HE wants, as he's always done. Nearly every acquisition in the past can be called into question due to how Snyder runs his ship. This is the closest to a new regime under Snyder you've had. Everything else has been same ol', same ol'. A new GM other than Vinny will help this as well.

>>3. Development of offensive players. SHANNY IS GREAT AT
>THIS.
>>For examples, see: any running back who did great in Denver
>>and was strictly bum status upon leaving (there are many).
>>Also, see: pretty much any Shanny QB. He helped JAKE PLUMMER
>>be a winner, so imagine what he could do with Campbell, or
>>even with a young rookie QB. The fact that they're bringing
>in
>>Kyle Shanahan, whose offenses have put up awesome numbers
>with
>>the Texans as of late, adds to this gigantic perk. An anemic
>>offense has been a trademark of the Skins for the
>overwhelming
>>majority of Snyder's term-- this should turn that around.
>
>I agree. My concern is a declining defense.

Good thing you didn't hire Shanny to be defensive coordinator, huh?

>>4. Coordinators. Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer, if both
>>officially sign to work with Shanahan, is a formidable pair,
>>and that cannot be denied. I'd do backflips if the Jaguars
>>could potentially get one of these guys as the new coach,
>much
>>less a coordinator. And for those who have complained about
>>Shanny's age, the fact that he's bringing in young dudes
>>behind him leads me to believe that if in 4 years he hasn't
>>won anything and is tired of it all, he'll have some stud
>>coordinators who have worked with the organization and who
>>will be ready to be potentially good head coaches in the
>>future. You're talking about the guy who OC'd the 4th best
>>offense in the NFL this year and the guy who DC's the 4th
>best
>>defense in the NFL this year.
>
>Gregg Williams.

What about him?

>>5. Media-savvy front office. Allen is better than Cerrato
>>behind the mic. Shanny is miles more confident than Zorn
>>behind the mic (Zorn being one of the worst coaches ever at
>>talking to the media). This has been an area in which the
>>Skins have struggled the last few years, and this could be a
>>way in which people start writing *gasp!* positive things
>>about the Skins again.
>
>Agree. But that just means people will buy jerseys and $9
>pizzas again.

Again? LOL, the Skins even in this very down year continue to be one of the most profitable teams in the NFL.

>>6. Confidence and determination. Cerrato and Zorn were both
>>yes men. Allen might be a yes man, but he's made his entire
>>rep on his ability to manage a team's spending well, and
>he's
>>not going to let that go down the toilet on a Snyder whim.
>>Shanny is particularly stubborn when it comes to drafting
>and
>>trading, not being afraid to make an unpopular choice if he
>>thinks it's right, and we know Snyder vastly prefers the
>sexy
>>deal. If anyone can stand up to Snyder, it's these two. And
>>Snyder KNOWS how having these two men in office improve his
>>image, so he's not going to cross the line and piss these
>guys
>>off in order to buy an aging star for way way too much
>money.
>>Which goes into the final point...
>
>The average players selected by average talent evaluators will
>have average salary. Its progress, but not enough.

You're like a newborn who wants to sprint before he can walk. You have to walk first, which means a radical change in what your organization has been doing and has been used to for the last decade.

>>7. Who would YOU hire? A young new coach with few
>credentials
>>isn't what this organization needs right now. Those are the
>>coaches that Snyder eats alive, and the media/fans/everyone
>>knows it. None of the people with previous head coaching
>>experience were as good as Shanny, save maybe Cowher who
>isn't
>>coaching next year. For this moment, right now, Shanny was
>>EASILY the best choice.
>
>he was the best choice among guys who have already done it who
>are unlikely to do it again. Since Snyder has the itch to
>overpay people, he should overpay a GM with a proven track
>record of success and let the GM figure out who the coach
>should be. Maybe Russ Grimm, maybe Gregg Williams. If snyder
>doesnt have the composure to let a young guy do his thing then
>he isnt ready as an owner and i have no reason to get excited
>about anything he is doing right now.

LMFAO if you think Gregg Williams would come back to Washington under Snyder. You're completely delusional for even mentioning that name.

>>Of COURSE they're not going to get to the Super Bowl with
>>Shanny. But that's because the NFC East is too tough and the
>>Skins roster is too full of bullshit players to turn it
>around
>>completely in the next 3-4 years. But I believe Shanny can
>>take a squad that he sculpts to the playoffs. Which, in my
>>opinion, is a giant leap forward from the assness that is
>the
>>Skins today.
>
>being competitive is the goal of sh!tty teams with sh!tty
>histories. not three time super bowl champions. 4-5 years is
>more than enough time to expect at least a championship
>appearance. eff the NFC east. based on past division
>performance, no one would have thought the Bengals would sweep
>the Ravens and the Steelers. Stuff happens. with the uncapped
>year, there is no excuse for one of the richest owners in the
>league to not set his team up with enough flexibility to put a
>title contender together 4 years from now.

Sorry pal, but right now, you're a shitty team with a shitty recent history. Stuff does happen, like Shanny potentially finding playoff success. You fail to present one viable alternative, and you even said he's the best option available. So why are you upset about this? It's literally the best step possible.

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71. "not upset, just not excited."
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like i said, if snyder doesnt have the composure to let a young guy do his thing then he isnt ready as an owner and i have no reason to get excited about anything he is doing right now.

i think shanahan will be better than gibbs 2.0, but a lot of fans are drinking the kool-aid right now, and even you argue that we might be two coaches away from the ultimate goal.

  

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49. "I think the Skins improve depending on what Shanahan brings."
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I actually wanted him in Cleveland to replace Crennel, because the Bees are a running team first and foremost.

I think with Shanahan, we see more Cartwright and Co. in the running game...as he attempts to bring some of that Donkey Magic to DC.

Defensively, who knows, but I think it'll be better for Campbell and co, since Shanahan knows the importance of good lines and a running game.

It'll at the very least be better than Gibbs II, which at least yielded one playoff appearance. It's gotta be better than Zorn.

Which, as an Eagle fan bothers the hell outta me.


  

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50. "we'll go from awful to mediocre."
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51. "jesus christ man, what could they have done better for you"
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52. "I think Smuts has made it clear what he wanted in order to be happy"
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He wanted a real GM who makes the decision and draft picks.

A coach who just coached the draft picks.

Instead he got a "yes" man at GM in Allen and coach who still has all the power to make all the draft and FA decisions.

On top of that, Shanahans ability to evaluate talent is questionable, especially on defense.

  

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54. "what makes you think Allen is a "yes" man?"
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55. "he's a cap/negotiations guy. he's not even the real GM."
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53. "sorry, I meant to write 'future contender'"
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Clearly our GM-Coach and ignorant ass owner are going to take us to Colts/Pats/Steelers/Eagles level.

The last decade was a mirage.

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56. "Jim Haslett named Defensive Coordinator"
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I think this is a good get. The only thing is they're going to go to a 3-4; where does that put Haynesworth?


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57. "Haynesworth is going to have to be in shape and play nose"
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That's it, he can't play end.

This will be good for Brian Orakpo, but London Fletcher is probably gonna get mauled next year.

We don't have the personnel to just switch right now, so maybe we'll do somewhat of a smoke and mirrors 3-4, we'll see though.

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58. "That is my thought"
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He cannot play end because he's not fast enough so that forces him to nose but he'll have to get in better shape.



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64. "Haynesworth could be a 3-4 DE in a 1-Gap system"
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Dallas and SD play 1-Gap 3-4's... it just puts a lot more pressure on the LB's which I assume would be Rocky and Fletch with Wilson and Orakpo lining up at the OLB spots...the switch would benefit Wilson more than anyone and be a pretty big challenge for Fletcher to adapt...

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73. "Right, but none of those D's have players as large and out of shape"
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as Haynesworth.

London is going to get mauled, I'd be surprised if they give Wilson a shot at that. I'm not down on him at all, but I'd just be surpsised.

I just don't know how if it'll work, Haynesworth already bitching about the idea of a 3-4 shit's not lookin for ton o cash

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74. "he's such a dickhead yo"
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until proven otherwise, he pisses me the fuck off no other

  

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59. "it would put Albert at nose tackle apparently"
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and if you thought he took too many breaks before, wait until McCoy, Barber, Choice, Jacobs, and Bradshaw are running DIRECTLY at him for over half his snaps.

but...

the feeling right now in Ashburn is that Haslett will run a hyrbid 3-4/4-3 depending on the situation and down, mainly because they want to get Andre Carter in the mix more and he's too small to play as a hand down linemen in a 3-4. From what I can gather it's comparable to what the Ravens do, where Orakpo would play the role of T-Sizzle and come off the edge at times while also being an OLB in other situations. Which is good.

  

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60. "man! terrible move! what is snyder THINKING"
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he's running this team into the ground. Just another yes-man in REdskins Park. This regime JUST doesn't get it. This is another short-sighted, comical move. We're dooooomed for failure. Woe is us! We're gonna suck forever! Snyder must go!

  

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62. "you don't form coherent arguments"
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63. "I have no thoughts on the 3-4 one way or the other"
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other than that our personnel currently doesn't fit it.

it's a waste to put Haynesworth at NT

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65. "yeeeah. ok. this organization will remain a joke."
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68. "Considering Zimmer turned them down, this is inoffensive."
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Not the sexiest hire, but it's something.

It'll also require Haynesworth to either get in shape or sit his ass down. You know Shanny's not gonna put up with diva bullshit from him his first year there.

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69. "Cincy had first dibs"
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like they get a week to negotiate before anyone else can get a word in. He liked what he had. can't blame him.

  

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70. "Oh I don't blame him at all either. Just saying."
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66. "I'm going to be in wait-and-see mode"
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let's find out how all this comes together, then make a decision.

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72. "so I wanna take a look at an oft-ignored need of ours: LB"
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with the talk of a switch to 3-4 especially, we need to stock up on LBs badly if you ask me. Fletch isn't getting any younger, Rock is dependable but only one player, and while Wilson and Blades have shown potential I'm not ready to commit to them fully just yet. So let's look at the LBs available in free agency this summer shall we?

here's an excellent list of the 2010 crop of free agent LBs hitting the market in the near future, complete with detailed bios:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/lb.html

obviously the big name here is Merriman. Despite the aura he still carries, his play as of late indicates he is a shell of his former self. Perhaps I'm being harsh, it is most certainly not a cakewalk to come back from the surgery he underwent. However, as the writer pointed out, it is probable that the Bolts put the franchise tag on him. Nonetheless, in the event they're stupid enough not to, I'd say it's almost a lock Merriman comes to the Skins. The Chargers can't see Dan in the wallet, and he's a local boy at the end of the day. Whispers say he's always dreamed of playing for the Skins, although whether that's truth or fabrication is anyone's guess. I see adding him as both a positive and negative. On the optimistic side, one has to assume that a second year removed from the knife will be more productive than the first. When he was on a few years back he was as explosive a defensive player as you could find in the NFL. Considering all this talk of Haslett's commitment to making a more violent risk taking unit out of this bunch, a healthy Merriman could be a welcome addition. The negative is that in the unlikely event he is let go no strings attached his price tag is going to be quite steep and likely higher than his current value. In addition, I am brutally sick of our annual big name free agent splash signing and bringing Merriman back to the DMV would be just that. Time will tell. My money is on him staying in SoCal, but stranger things have happened in this league.

Assuming he's staying put, my plan of attack would be two-pronged. For one, I'm a huge Keith Bulluck fan. When I was interning at 980 I prepared a series of questions for Bulluck for Coach to ask him and he answered each with thorough answers that indicated he's a real student of the game. He appears to be cut from the same cloth as Fletch, and like his counterpart he also is no spring chicken at 33. However, he's also not Seau old, he can still go, and an added veteran presence behind the line is always a welcome addition. I think we could get him cheaper than most those guys on that list.
From there I'd love to draft one or two in the late rounds, preferably Rico McCoy out of Tennessee. Like Merriman, Rico is a local boy who would likely relish the chance to don a burgundy and gold uniform. Unlike Merriman, McCoy is quite undersized. I had the chance to play with him my first two years at St.John's before I transferred and he was small then. Obviously he's probably bulked up, but he's listed on nfldraftscout.com at a generous 6 foot, 220. I can tell you from a good amount of personal experience he ain't that big. However, he plays bigger, is an awesome tackler, and has a keen vision for the run. If he was a lot bigger he'd have a shit ton of buzz. I see him going 3rd, 4th, or 5th. Second at the earliest, 6th at the latest. Take a look at the kid here, he's number 5:

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so what say you? This isn't our most glaring need, I'd still rank those as 1) Tackles 2) DBs 3) Guards. But unlike those needs I think this an area we can improve without a high draft pick or a great deal of cash.

  

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75. "big ass HD screens being installed in Fed-Ex Field end zones:"
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who knows if the Shanahan crew will give us anything worth watching on these things, but we'll at least see some kickass DeSean Jackson and Miles Austin bombs in all their HD pleasure:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_New_HD_Video_Boards_At_FedExField_101227.jsp

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76. "Bwahahahhaha SF's O-line coach"
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I got Skins fans texting me how great it is that they took our o-line coach. Its a great thing. Have fun with those sacks. For those who never watched SF last year our Line was non-existent for the most part. Have fun with that Skins. Don't draft bradford he will be on IR by week 3 with his throwing arm probably having to be removed after his rookie season.

  

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77. "O-line coaches don't mean shit if the talent ain't there"
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they either are good enough or they're not fam.

  

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78. "^^^ "this dude" ^^^ *snickers*"
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wow that was some ineffectual smack talk. go create a Niners offseason post

  

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80. "Nah im just amused"
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At the barrage of texts of gotten how this is a great move. This is coming from cats who watched the niners with me and are happy to be taking more steps towards 5-11. Our O-line was horrible and i am glad that shittiness will be brought to the Redskins. Campbell has a horrible blind side presence anyway i can't wait to see him cough up balls all year.

  

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81. "They're idiots"
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this a completely generic move

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82. "Thrilled to see Fletch in the Pro Bowl"
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I'm actually gonna watch now for him and Orakpo...well deserved!

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83. "rumor has it, should Favre decline his nomination...."
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...a certain burgundy and gold wearing field general may make the roster in his place.

how that's possible is beyond me, but I'm all for it. That might do a world of difference for his shoddy confidence.

  

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84. "John Clayton says we'll be tendering JC for a 1st and 3rd pick"
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now I don't know who the hell would give that much up for Jason Campbell, but if you get that offer you take it. Point blank, no questions asked. In truth, no one will take that so the good news is that Campbell is probably here at least one more year.

This is apparently negotiable, meaning if someone offers us something else we can consider it. But this is good stuff, my thinking is that Shanahan wants to build Campbell's value and then ship him at his peak and this is a demonstration of his patience and commitment to that idea.

  

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88. "Yup. I like it."
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The FA QB crop next year is awful and Shanny can see that.

Bring JC back cheap, nobody's going to give up a 1st & 3rd, and draft a young QB at some point. Just hopefully not in the first or 2nd round.

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89. "Kiper has Clausen as the #4 pick now. "
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i threw up in my mouth when i read it.

  

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90. "Kiper is a buffoon"
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He, with no apparent insider info or substantial logic, just assumes we're taking a QB and thinks Clausen is now it, after saying Bradford was for almost a year. He's a tool.

  

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94. "I say Clausen isn't #4, and I know as much as Kiper does."
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85. "why not deal Portis for Cromartie and a pick"
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Shanny don't like him and we need to dump his his janky stanky ass and get something in return. Chargers are shopping him for a RB. I'm guessing but no team is gonna wanna take on CP's salary but it would be nice to upgrade the weak CB's we have.

  

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86. "Damn you think AJ is dumb? Why the fuck would the Chargers"
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take that deal. CP is just as old as LT, has more injury concerns/issues than LT, and is also on the downside of his career.

The Chargers are probably going after a younger back like Lynch, Jackson, or getting a back in the draft.

  

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87. "what he said."
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91. "'Redskins expected to pursue Julius Peppers'"
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Meet the new boss, same as the old.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-is-the-key-in-reds.html

...people familiar with the situation said, and the Redskins are expected to pursue defensive end Julius Peppers - who apparently wants to stand up in a 3-4 attack - in free agency...

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92. "I don't think that happens"
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no way that happens.

if they want a free agent they should go after Dansby, and if they want to make a splash they should go after Nnamdi. But this doesn't seem practical, and the wording is a little loose here. I think he's saying that Peppers is going to go to a big spender and that automatically makes the Skins an expected candidate. There's no need for him honestly, we just gave up a third for Jarmon in the supplemental draft last year and I still believe he's got the tools to be a very fine OLB in a 3-4 system.

However, on those rare occasions when Peppers is going all out he's better than Suggs.

but I'm not interested and I truly don't believe the Skins are either.

  

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93. "in bittersweet news, Chris Samuels will retire"
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unfortunate, he was a pretty good player there for a while.

However, this pretty much forces our hand at drafting linemen now. With Bradford-to-the-Rams building steam and Campbell getting tendered this week, it appears we may actually draft someone worthwhile.

  

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95. "it's the right move for him"
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I hope we pay more attention to the draft now though.

Although I could see us making a horrible play at Antrel Rolle.

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96. "Just another reason o-line is a must "
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97. "Campbell tendered for a first round pick"
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that's a somewhat fair price.

  

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98. "I swear if they draft Clausen at 4 I'm gonna be pissed!!!!"
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99. "they won't. I'm convinced its a diversion."
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100. "At first I thought it was an April Fool's joke"
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Especially since the Clausen family hired Vinny Cerrato as a consultant. But I'm afraid I'm wrong.

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102. "i agree. we are getting an OT. "
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i also thought the wiz were going to draft blair, so...

  

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103. "If they want a QB then that's out of our control"
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Bradford is going to be good it seems. Although we need a tackle more than a Quarterback, sometimes a player comes along that is good enough to justify replacing an incumbent player (see AP bumping out Chester Taylor.) there's reason to believe that Bradford will be an elite NFL QB down the road. By all accounts, his accuracy really is THAT good.

Now Clausen is nowhere near as lights out. The rap on him is that he's frail and an at times poor team mate. I mean ask yourself, is there any legitimate buzz on him at all right now? There's considerably more hype for Bradford, Berry, Okung, Suh, and McCoy ie guys who have earned the rep of being a top pick in the first round of the NFL draft.

We gotta remember that these things are out of our control. If they've made their mind up on QB then we have to just sit and take it. But I refuse to believe that they really think Clausen is that good or that his upside is that high. I trust these two, I really do. At least for the time being.

  

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101. "I'm curious to see what GM Shanahan does."
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104. "well, its what got him fired in Denver"
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<--- we've got bush!

  

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105. "Yup."
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112. "You my friend are not the only one..."
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That goes for Bradford as well. I haven't decided how I'm gonna approach the season if O-Line isn't the pick on draft night. Like someone already said....O-Line should be the choice with the 1st two picks.

As for Fast Willie Parker, Eh...I'll take him LJ and Portis over Portis, Betts, and Cartwright, even though I don't think all three will be on the roster come the season.

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106. "I just hope that all this is a smoke screen and they're really taking Ok..."
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Then we can keep it moving and start to build our line. There are actually good lineman in this draft, we could get two who could play for us for a long time.

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107. "Anyone with half a brain drafts OL with our first two picks"
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108. "Skins sign.... Willie Parker?"
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Shanahan has something up his sleeve.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5050721

The Washington Redskins have reached agreement with free agent running back Willie Parker on a one-year deal with a maximum value of $3.1 million, a league source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Willie Parker

Parker

Parker has been told there will be an open competition for the Redskins' starting job, the source said.

Parker averaged 1,337 yards in three seasons for the Steelers from 2005-07.

He became Pittsburgh's backup last season in his fifth full year as the Steelers turned to Rashard Mendenhall as their featured running back.

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109. "3 broken RBs = 1 starting RB?"
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111. "For some reason I see this as a good thing..."
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*shrug*

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110. "you mean like shanahan having 15 billion running backs?"
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shocking.

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113. "ha. true."
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114. "*ahem*skinstradeformcnabb*ahem*"
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115. "Another year of not rebuilding, and not having a plan"
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nothing new for Snyder.

24th best record in the NFL since he bought the team.

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117. "Thom Loverro made a good point on 980 today..."
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should've seen it coming- Shanahan is not a young dude, and whenever these old successful coaches come back it is NOT for rebuilding. all of 'em try to get it crackin' immediately, so this move plus the League of Extraordinary Aged Running Backs is all under the shadow of Shanahan's ticking clock.

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126. "RE: Another year of not rebuilding, and not having a plan"
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>nothing new for Snyder.
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>24th best record in the NFL since he bought the team.

and even that seems high.

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128. "take out the '99 season which had nothing to do with him"
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I bet it's lower

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116. "Shanahan the GM is already doing a great job"
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probably wind up drafting another QB, to match the # of RB's he has acquired this offseason.

can't have too many, right?

who cares if the OL is in shambles.

Mike and his genius-in-waiting son have devised a new scheme to work around that.

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118. "again, if they wanted a QB then that's out of our control"
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119. "One starting offensive lineman down. Two more needed."
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120. "^^^"
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121. "Ovie and Backstrom?"
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I mean they're small but they're pretty good at life so far...

  

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122. "Dez Bryant Pick as it relates to the Skins"
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Tell me which one of these guys can cover Austin or Bryant.

Barnes, Kevin CB
Buchanon, Phillip CB
Dutch, Doug CB
Hall, DeAngelo CB
McCauley, Marcus CB
Rogers, Carlos CB
Tryon, Justin CB
Westbrook, Byron CB
Doughty, Reed S
Holmes, Lendy S
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Landry, LaRon S
Moore, Kareem S

We need to make another blockbuster trade,
Nnamdi is wasting away in Oakland.

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123. "Our DBs are okay. Hall is good. Carlos is solid."
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And Laron Landry has the focus of a goldfish.

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125. "The nigga wit the stone hands"
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127. "He's still a decent cover corner"
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well above average.

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129. "Who do you put him one on one with"
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Bryant
Austin
Williams

I still think we beat Dallas because
we can roast their secondary
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130. "We're getting ahead of ourselves"
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Roy Williams isn't special, and Bryant hasn't play a down yet.

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