Hi guys.


What's going on? Its snowing up here! Sorta wack.

Anyway,

Yeah, so McNabb is having a better career than Elway.

Regular season numbers aren't even close. McNabb
was better. Of course, you'll cop pleas for shit like
"era" and "offense" and yet ignore that the dogshit
that McNabb had to toss to most of his career, or make
something else up.

McNabb gets shat on for inaccuracy, yet was MORE accurate
than Elway, had a better rating than Elway, threw less picks
per touchdown than Elway.


But by all means, make excuses for Elway.


As for playoffs, we talk about "the drive" but ignore
that in every other super bowl, Elway played like
doggie poo and would be ringless if he wasn't handing
the ball to Jim Brown at the end of his career.




Someone seems to get it about Elway in superbowls:

"Basically, John Elway should thank his lucky stars that
Kerry Collins managed to play in a Super Bowl, but Elway still
has 2 of the worst 4 Super Bowl performances since 1982, and 3
of the worst 12, including the Broncos' victory over the Packers.
His best performance ranks only 15th on this list."

http://electriccommentary.blogspot.com/2007/10/john-elway-super-bowl-choker.html



And we also ignore shit like:
http://www.igglesblog.com/iggles_blog/2010/01/quarterbacks-in-playoff-losses.html



McNabb has the crime of being as shitty in playoff losses
as Elway, Marino, Steve Young, and Jim Kelly.


Adding them all up, two facts arise:

1) McNabb isn't *nearly* as bad as we think

2) Elway isn't *nearly* as good as we think.


I don't personally care if you actually think
McNabb > Elway, but I do want you to understand
#1 and #2.


With Kind Regards,
The Orbster


PS: I really want to say "you mad" at the end of
this, but I'll wait until one of you responds and
is actually mad.






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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

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>1) McNabb isn't *nearly* as bad as we think
>
>2) Elway isn't *nearly* as good as we think.

McNabb still divides OKS, and honestly I'm not even sure how I feel about his career. To a certain degree he is both overrated and underrated in that his critics will NEVER give him enough credit and his fans won't fully acknowledge his faults. This is the same distinction I've used to describe Pippen, people either point out he couldn't win it w/o Jordan or they point out Jordan couldn't do it w/o him. There's rarely any reconciliation of those two points.

I think I buy into bshelly's theory regarding philly sports though.

And McNabb gets shit on because he plays a white
position and has heightened scrutiny. AI does not
play a white position, so white people think AI is
cuddly and don't have a problem rooting for him(and
good for white people).

That these same white people can overlook blatant
facts about how shitty John Elway was in superbowls
is pure hilarity.

Even if you argue Elway was better, there is 100%
No way you can argue that he was substantially
better than McNabb, because he was not. Not in
any way.

Not in regular season success.

Not in playoff success.

He wasn't much better.

On every all-time list, McNabb should be no more than
2 players higher or lower than Elway. Anything other
than that is a bold faced lie.




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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

i pulled the okie doke on y'all. pulling the race card got you guys a little...self-conscious. now i see a more balanced treatment of our heroes from the City of Asiatic Love from certain quarters.

----
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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

>i pulled the okie doke on y'all. pulling the race card got
>you guys a little...self-conscious. now i see a more balanced
>treatment of our heroes from the City of Asiatic Love from
>certain quarters.

But Iverson still sucks and Carmelo Anthony is really
fucking good, sooo......


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O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.


"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

>Unlike AI, McNabb is actually good.

>But Iverson still sucks and Carmelo Anthony is really
>fucking good, sooo......

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=5515&mesg_id=5515&page=17#5535

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=5515&mesg_id=5515&page=17#5549

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=5515&mesg_id=5515&page=17#5538

lol. wtf happened btwn then + today?

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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all kidding aside tho, i am genuinely interested.

what soured you on iverson? was it anything in particular?

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barring unforseen circumstances like the Eagles actually winning something McNabb will not ever be in Canton.

But I'm tired of talking about AI or McNabb at the moment & I was pointing out Elway's overratedness in the Whitlock post so I'm good from here.

search bags agenda posts
then search O_E replies
1 is honey, 1 is flies, one can not resist the other
i doubt O_E even believes half the shit he types
he just wants to make ppl *MAD*
that post in 2003 made ppl MAD
along comes 2004 and a nigga who hated AI came along trying make ppl mad and u get the current day O_E

o i know u see it

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AI does not
>play a white position, so white people think AI is
>cuddly and don't have a problem rooting for him(and
>good for white people).

Since when have white people liked Iverson?

"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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because anti philly trumps pro black, you're not going to get the level of enthusiastic support from certain quarters.

plus we philly fans are a little tired of any mcnabb debate.

i'm an elway hater and a mcnabb supporter, so i appreciate the effort. i can't call mcnabb better, but the gap is much more narrow than people want to acknowledge.

----
bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

..but since they don't *shrug*


as far as i'm concerned, elway is more comparable to peyton manning, considerin' their struggles and eventual triumph. they have a lot in common. most importantly, the rings...

Elway? LOL. He was about as relevant as Trent Dilfer
was to the 2001 Ravens.

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O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.


"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

..c'mon

*peep the edit*

i agree that elway was certainly enterin' the twilight of his career, but no one has EVER said "just try not to lose the game" to john.

elway had some great talent on those sb rosters, but don't act like mcnabb (or peyton) was out there by himself. as far as mcnabb is concerned, he SHAT the field with the best squad he's ever gonna play with (yeah, i said it)...


*los angeles lakers: 2009 nba champions*

-the dynasty continues-


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>Elway? LOL. He was about as relevant as Trent Dilfer
>was to the 2001 Ravens.

That's just fuckin ridiculous.

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His play wasn't necessary to get them there, or to
actually win the game.



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O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.


"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

they both were after 11 years in the league. Peyton has been a lot more prolific than both and already got himself a ring. I'd say McNabb/Elway is a much better comparison.

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Elway had better receivers over the course of his career too (Rod Smith, Shannon Sharpe )

#'s never been Mcnabbs issue but even in #7's bad Super bowl
outings

he still GOT to like 3 or 4 SB's
so that gotta count for something

but like i said if you just look at stats
you gonna love mcnabb

if you look at GAMES(esp big ones)...not so much

Elway is better than Mcnabb
he has more rings
avgd more wins
and was still more clutch in the playoffs
(even with his bad SB games)

and even if you just go to the numbers
mcnabb will have to avg around 3700 yds a season for the next 5 years to catch up to him

and avg 13 wins to match his win total

now i do think he will match his career td passes

but nah
ill take #7 over #5
and i love Dono

But do like him when we do use evidence.



*scatches head*


Everyone says the same thing:

"Oh, you can't capture how bad he his by looking
at his stats....they don't tell the story."

Problem is, stats actually do tell the fucking story.

They tell you how likely he is to throw a touchdown.

They tell you how likely is to complete a pass.

Or throw a pick.

Or win a playoff game.

Or lose a playoff game.


The reason evidence is irrelevant to Donovan McNabb
is because his hate is based on dumbass irrationality.

Its not rooted in earthly facts.


Same reason we love John Elway.


He wasn't actually, factually, that super uber great, and
certainly wasn't better than McNabb.

Somehow, someway, we like him better anyway.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

You didnt read my reply

Cuz Elway played longer, in part because Denver
put a Juggernaut around him....McNabb will never
have that opportunity..he's about to be run out
of town just as his most explosive weapon ever
is emerging.

At the end of Elways career, he threw to two pro
bowl caliber receivers(Mcaffrey and Rod Smith) and
the best receiving tight end to ever play the game

At this stage in his career, McNabb is far better
than Elway. Far better.



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

i put what he would have to avg doggie
cause i too understand he played longer

<At the end of Elways career, he threw to two pro
bowl caliber receivers(Mcaffrey and Rod Smith) and
the best receiving tight end to ever play the game>

^Here we go
its that same Emmitt hate agenda

but yall cats say none of this about Jerry Rice

why is that?

also:

If you wanna keep it funky T.O is >>>than any reciever Elway ever had
and(barring injury) Desean when its all said and done will be 100x >>> Rod Smith and Ed mcaffrey

I feel the overall messege you are trying to convey i really do
but i just dont see how you can say Mcnabb better than Elway

esp for that SB vs NE
so dont try that sole Passion fo Dono shit

>
>
>Everyone says the same thing:
>
>"Oh, you can't capture how bad he his by looking
>at his stats....they don't tell the story."
>
>Problem is, stats actually do tell the fucking story.

No they dont tell the whole story
its not any stats for dirt balls/over throws on huge 3rd down after 3rd down,missed opportunies etc etc.

bottom line is the nigga wet the bed in big games
he can get all the stats he want


but he had at least 2 years where a ring was damn near guaranteed if he remotely steps up



I am not a Dono hater

but i also aint gonna sit up and say Dono is a fucking top 10 qb all time qb either (which is essentially what you are trying to tell us)

>
>bottom line is the nigga wet the bed in big games
>he can get all the stats he want
>


Yup

>bottom line is the nigga wet the bed in big games
>he can get all the stats he want

he'd be right there with him
they have comparable (like within tenths of a percentage) accuracy
dude was old as shit before he "won" a chip

now you can come back with the "if IF was a spliff...we'd all get high" defense

but Elway was victim of the greatest ethering in Super Bowl history, namely Super Bowl XXII

McNabb has never seen a playoff GUILE of that magnitude
only reason Elway has rings and McNabb don't is simple

Shanahan >>>>>>>>>>> Wario

Eagles had Shanahan with the 2002, 2003 teams = 2 rings, no Patriots asslicking and SPM would be in here calling McNabb the GOAT

the points made in this post

1) Elway ain't as good as he is touted
2) McNabb ain't as bad as he's touted
3) McNabb > Elway

I ain't arguing them until someone can show O_E he's wrong without faulty agendas

>>bottom line is the nigga wet the bed in big games
>>he can get all the stats he want
>
>he'd be right there with him
>they have comparable (like within tenths of a percentage)
>accuracy
>dude was old as shit before he "won" a chip
>
>now you can come back with the "if IF was a spliff...we'd all
>get high" defense
>
>but Elway was victim of the greatest ethering in Super Bowl
>history, namely Super Bowl XXII
>
>McNabb has never seen a playoff GUILE of that magnitude
>only reason Elway has rings and McNabb don't is simple
>
>Shanahan >>>>>>>>>>> Wario
>
>Eagles had Shanahan with the 2002, 2003 teams = 2 rings, no
>Patriots asslicking and SPM would be in here calling McNabb
>the GOAT
>
>the points made in this post
>
>1) Elway ain't as good as he is touted
>2) McNabb ain't as bad as he's touted
>3) McNabb > Elway
>
>I ain't arguing them until someone can show O_E he's wrong
>without faulty agendas
>
>

GODDAMN!!!

Note how NO ONE CAN BACK IT UP with FACTS

Why?

ITS IMPOSSIBLE


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

>>bottom line is the nigga wet the bed in big games
>>he can get all the stats he want
>
>he'd be right there with him
>they have comparable (like within tenths of a percentage)
>accuracy
>dude was old as shit before he "won" a chip
>
>now you can come back with the "if IF was a spliff...we'd all
>get high" defense
>
>but Elway was victim of the greatest ethering in Super Bowl
>history, namely Super Bowl XXII
>
>McNabb has never seen a playoff GUILE of that magnitude
>only reason Elway has rings and McNabb don't is simple
>
>Shanahan >>>>>>>>>>> Wario
>
>Eagles had Shanahan with the 2002, 2003 teams = 2 rings, no
>Patriots asslicking and SPM would be in here calling McNabb
>the GOAT
>
>the points made in this post
>
>1) Elway ain't as good as he is touted


>2) McNabb ain't as bad as he's touted
>3) McNabb > Elway
>
>I ain't arguing them until someone can show O_E he's wrong
I presented facts in my reply above
I actually agree with points 1 and 2
But that dosent make point 3 true
I can present evidence all day
But u can choose to ignore it
And play the if game w/ nabb

The facts:

He avg more wins per season
More yds
More tds
And had more playoff wins
How is he better?

>without faulty agendas
>
>

>The facts:

>He avg more wins per season

LOL -- Look at those Denver teams with 2 pro bowl
wide receivers, one of the most dominant 2 year
stretches ever by a running back, and the best
pass receiving tight end in the history of football

>More yds

Not per season

>More tds

Not per season

>And had more playoff wins

And losses and embarrassing performances

>How is he better?

Because McNabb was the better passer and
was no worse in big playoff games than Elway
was.

Elways greatness was a myth. He was lucky to
get a great team around him later in life.





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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

>
>>The facts:
>
>>He avg more wins per season
>
>LOL -- Look at those Denver teams with 2 pro bowl
>wide receivers, one of the most dominant 2 year
>stretches ever by a running back, and the best
>pass receiving tight end in the history of football

C'mon G^^

This argument is tired because yall pick and choose when you use it
There aint ONE SB winning qb who didnt have a great team around him..but....its noted


>
>Not per season

lol yes he did dog
he avg 188 more per season to be exact

>>More tds
>
>Not per season

Ok you got me
Don avg 1.6 more per season but he also played in 103 LESS games
>
>>And had more playoff wins
>
>And losses and embarrassing performances

Ok you got it
But the 89 49ers 100x>>>>04 Patriots(which is basically their biggest stinker outings in the sb)



>
>>How is he better?
>
>Because McNabb was the better passer and
>was no worse in big playoff games than Elway
>was.

Point taken
but that still doesnt = better
sounds to me like you are saying they are equal

which i disagree with but I am intelligent enough to admit that he did benifit from having a great team later on in life and i will also admit he isnt as "great" as he ussually is made out to be
You and doc are right on those fronts

I just dont think Mcnabb at this point is better overall yet


>Elways greatness was a myth.


1st in 4th qtr comebacks
2nd in wins
3rd in yds,completions,and attempts


I cant say its ALL just myth
but again I understand the general sentiment

he definately deserves a slight side eye

but to the Doc's statement that if Mcnabb had Shannahan he would have won

http://tinyurl.com/yckn9dn

Elway says the same thing bro

If the Broncos were in the NFC they would never had made a title game.


Look at the beating they took in their SB's
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FOH

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Elway?????

Not so much.He was all happy to get buttfucked
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.

Dono beat a pretty good Packers team,some good Seahawks teams,some good Tampa teams.


And I don't think he's even that good,but Elway got BUTTFUCKED in 3 Super Bowls
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played Seattle in the playoffs & the biggest Tampa game they played in the playoffs (a game in which they were near double-digit favorites) they blew while getting pretty much zero out of the offense all day (along with a pick-six to end it & the next year scoring three points in a game they were TD-plus favorites in at home versus Jake Delhomme).

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in a hostile environment in Cleveland, leading a legendary last-possession drive to do so (something McNabb hasn't really done in even regular-season action in years let alone in a road playoff game).

And that's before you even get into things like supporting cast, which clearly favor McNabb.

Yeah I'm impressed.


Then they got raped in the SB
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in end-game situations and those are just the ones that were so blatant they had to be publically acknowledged.

I've literally watched every game of this guy's entire career, so you're not going to be as acquainted as I am on the subject.

The man has not made a Pro Bowl legitimately in the last six seasons & hasn't been a difference-maker (in the positive sense of course) in a single postseason game since the Divisional Round of the NFC 2001 Playoffs (aka his second year as a full-time starter).

I don't even like Elway that much but you're just trying too hard here by talking up this competition bullshit for four Super Bowl losses versus a Super Bowl loss & three conference final losses.

Let it go.

mcfagg don't have the stats (yet)
don't have the rings
don't even have the fucking wins
so what does he have?
less INTs?
yaye cause he throws at niggas feet lol

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never read anything but stories of him giving back, and being loving and generous around needy kids. am i missing something?

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but thinking back, it was a Cal Bear that was telling me these things...

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Without TD and his cheatin ass line that dude is an uglier,dumb,broker,shittier Jim Kelly.
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I have literally never heard anyone of relevance say Horse Teeth is the GOAT.NEVER


When did this shit start?
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for standing in the way of my lifelong dream of a falcons super bowl victory in 1998

Chris Chandler was better

That same dude who would regularly get knocked the fuck outta games? C'MON!

i'm surprised there is another person on earth as dumb as him
i mean at least he lives in philly and can use the stan argument
elway is top 10 QB on most everybodies list
mcfagg...not so much
if mcfagg can maintain productivity for another 5 yrs or something he'll equal elway
but of course he still wouldn't have the playoff success or rings...sooooooo

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it's certainly a reasonable argument that his numbers are not in line with his stature, but that ignores the power he had as a leader - especially in the context of his era, with montana and marino being the dominant qb's. both more cerebral and precise and had to be protected at all costs, while elway was true grit, carrying his teammates along. you can similarly argue mcnabb is more cerebral and precise but he's nowhere near the gamer elway was. even with the rocket arm the defining play of his career could still be the helicopter spin 1st down run.

so perhaps his stature is more due to a mystique and a need to name a hero in a narrative. but in a sport where it's so vitally dependent that every player be willing to kill themselves for every play you can't discount leadership.

A decade after the fact, no less!

Duly noted, OKSports.

>A decade after the fact, no less!
>
>Duly noted, OKSports.

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thanks for joining the movement
fuck you for stealing my chance to TORPEDO THESE NIGGAS

Elway was a pretty good QB who won a few titles late in his career but Whitlock listing him #1 overall is criminal.


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what's really interesting is McNabb's playoff numbers in one of the links. I thought his numbers were going to look bad but he's in the middle of the pack when compared to other great QB's of the last 30 years.

It's funny, I do remember people criticizing Elway almost the same way they criticize McNabb before Elway won his rings.

If McNabb wins rings, twenty years from now people will say he was the most beloved QB in Eagles history. Like someone said in another post, winning rings distorts peoples memories.

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catch stupid short passes in the flat all day instead of handing him the fucking ball. So McNabb still wouldn't have a ring.

McNabb is nice, though he's laid a few eggs, but mostly he's had the misfortune of being paired with Andy Reid. I fucking hate Andy Reid and his stupid fucking philosophy that a short pass should really count as a running play.

I also was pretty annoyed at Reid's decade long philosophy that you could put any player in at receiver, regardless of talent level, and his superior system would allow that player to succeed. He fucked McNabb with that for years.

History tends to give extra significance to rings, but most of us know that Elway got his rings on the back of TD.

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"on the other hand 100% of the Islamic terrorists are Muslims." A f*cking congressman. smh.

Some years he adjusted, initially when Staley was the feature player and twice more when we had a three-halfback backfield plus McNabb taking off more often.

But more often than not, we were kinda thin in the backfield and almost bare on the outside. Chad Lewis was our best receiver for like three seasons. Antonio Freeman was probably the best wideout we had before Owens. He was a guy who was fit for the possession system, solid routes, good hands. Owens could work in front of the safeties so well that drops were not a big deal at all. But now it seems like they are investing in receivers just in time for McNabb's departure. It's frustrating in a way, but at least they are finally fitting their players to their offense.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

The one year he has a marquee talent at wideout, what happened? Mofos was in the SB!!!!

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One Hundred.

like you said the years where he has had some actual talent on offense, the team has prospered. mot notably in 2004.

lmao @ the mcnabb/reid divide, they are both the same. consistently better than most, never better than all.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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This is just stupid - to use McNabb's regular season statistics as a basis for this argument is just dumb. Elway played almost his entire career in the least pass-friendly offenses ever (Under Reeves and Wade). It wasnt until Shanny got her very late in his career that he got to enjoy the statistical perks of being in the West Coast Offense. meanwhile, McNabb has gotten to live in the Andy Reid system where running the ball is non-existent.

Here is what people who didn't watch Elway regularly never understand - his brilliance was in that you never thought you were out of a game because he had an unbelievable ability to will teams to victories in the last two minutes of a game. Whitlock understands this because he had to watch him regularly and thats why he has him rated so highly on his QB ratings.

Furthermore, Elway took those 80s and 90s teams to the SB by himself - litearlly he had no running game, no defense and no receivers. The team was Elway. McNabb had top 5 defenses in each of those years.

And I am a McNabb apologist - he is probably my second favorite QB to watch and I think his skill is very undervalued. But to say he is better than Elway shows you started watching football around 1996 and have no understanding of what throwing the ball in the 80s and early 90s was like. Or how amazing Elway was.

>This is just stupid - to use McNabb's regular season
>statistics as a basis for this argument is just dumb. Elway
>played almost his entire career in the least pass-friendly
>offenses ever (Under Reeves and Wade).

Odd, because those Denver teams actually had 3 wide receiver
sets utilizing "The Three Amigos." They were a trio of cookie
cutter receivers who were all very good. I know because
I actually watched them.

>It wasnt until Shanny
>got her very late in his career that he got to enjoy the
>statistical perks of being in the West Coast Offense.

And the perks of handing the ball off to Jim Brown.

Nice way to ignore that little Terrell Davis guy that
was responsible for Denver going apeshit two years in
a row.

>meanwhile, McNabb has gotten to live in the Andy Reid system
>where running the ball is non-existent.


An injury proof running back and a good receiving corps
has also been non-existent.


>Here is what people who didn't watch Elway regularly never
>understand - his brilliance was in that you never thought you
>were out of a game because he had an unbelievable ability to
>will teams to victories in the last two minutes of a game.
>Whitlock understands this because he had to watch him
>regularly and thats why he has him rated so highly on his QB
>ratings.

Except games that counted, like the Superbowl, where
he was fucking horrid. Horrid.

Odd how Mr "Magic" can be considered that when he
sucked in the games that mattered most.


>Furthermore, Elway took those 80s and 90s teams to the SB by
>himself - litearlly he had no running game, no defense and no
>receivers. The team was Elway. McNabb had top 5 defenses in
>each of those years.

The 87 Broncos had the 9th ranked overall D(yards)

The 89 Broncos had thee 3rd ranked overall D

The 91 Broncos the 5th ranked overall D

McNabb's Eagles had 5 such seasons(top 10):

2 seasons where the defense was actually 10th,
including his first as a starter, and 3 others:
2001, 2002, and 2008.

So that doesn't explain it. Elway hardly played
with bad defenses. Hardly. And McNabb didn't
play with juggernauts his whole career. You're
going to need another excuse.

As for receivers: Elway's receivers were named
"The Three Amigos" specifically because he had a
cadre of very good receivers, all of whom could
catch and run. Not one guy dominated the ball,
because that offense spread it around.

Compare that to McNabb:

For the majority of his career, guys named Todd
Pinkson, James Thrash, Kevin Curtis, etc, have
been his leading receiver. His receivers have
sucked.


>And I am a McNabb apologist - he is probably my second
>favorite QB to watch and I think his skill is very
>undervalued. But to say he is better than Elway shows you
>started watching football around 1996 and have no
>understanding of what throwing the ball in the 80s and early
>90s was like. Or how amazing Elway was.

Elway was not amazing. You have no facts. Try harder.

You're just spewing silly stories about magic and
comebacks. Doesn't stand up to facts.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

Will get you stats later - I also truly do not believe stats in football capture the importance of a QB, but its the language you want to use, so Ill get on it later tonight.

I have one question for you. If you had to win one game. Who would you rather have?