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"Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide"
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http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643916


Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 2:50 PM Updated: Jul 04, 2009 2:55 PM

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair is dead.

Metro police have confirmed the former Titans star was found slain and is the victim of an apparent murder-suicide.

The identity of the other person was not immediately known.

No other information is available at this time.


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What the fuck is going on?
Jul 04th 2009
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http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=10643962
Jul 04th 2009
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confirmed.
Jul 04th 2009
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I'm not considering it confirmed, every reputable link is down now
Jul 04th 2009
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      They did on Twitter:
Jul 04th 2009
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      ESPN Link
Jul 04th 2009
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           fuck, I was hoping this was a 'Goldblum/Hef' type of rumor
Jul 04th 2009
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WTF?!?!
Jul 04th 2009
5
FOH!
Jul 04th 2009
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damn...R.I.P.
Jul 04th 2009
7
Holy shit this happened down the road from me.
Jul 04th 2009
10
smh...
Jul 04th 2009
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RE: Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide
Jul 04th 2009
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it's like these sudden and unexpected deaths just won't stop
Jul 04th 2009
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Fox News is reporting it now.
Jul 04th 2009
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Man, this is fucked up.
Jul 04th 2009
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this just ruined my day. RIP. a great QB and great man
Jul 04th 2009
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WSMV in Nashville says his wife shot him
Jul 04th 2009
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OMG... wow
Jul 04th 2009
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WSMV is pulling back on that now
Jul 04th 2009
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      Mortensen just reported his wife is Mississippi and has been notified
Jul 04th 2009
44
Wow. If THAT is true... well, assumptions can be made.
Jul 04th 2009
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Completely fucked up. RIP to one of the toughest ever
Jul 04th 2009
18
only way to bring him down, wow, sad sad sad, RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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dammit...wtf. he was one of my favorite qb's in his prime...RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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What a tragedy
Jul 04th 2009
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damn...the only Titan I loved to see play...Steve was the man
Jul 04th 2009
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Damn...RIP. This is Tough
Jul 04th 2009
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peace to his son, Steve Jr....
Jul 04th 2009
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What the Fuck is this Shit? Damn.
Jul 04th 2009
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This is fucking awful
Jul 04th 2009
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Police briefing...
Jul 04th 2009
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HO.LY. SHIT...RIP.
Jul 04th 2009
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FUCK!!! RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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terrible...R.I.P.
Jul 04th 2009
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R.I.P.
Jul 04th 2009
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goddamn
Jul 04th 2009
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Damn RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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wtf? r.i.p.
Jul 04th 2009
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Awful. RIP
Jul 04th 2009
39
my heart goes out to a fellow mississippian
Jul 04th 2009
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What the fucking hell? R.I.P.
Jul 04th 2009
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Okay, has the "murder-suicide" thing been confirmed?
Jul 04th 2009
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Naw, its not confirmed, they aint even said who the girl is yet.
Jul 04th 2009
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      CNN is saying 'girlfriend'
Jul 04th 2009
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RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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This is tragic.. RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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dam, RIP!!!!
Jul 04th 2009
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damnit. RIP.
Jul 04th 2009
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RIP Steve......a terrible tragedy...
Jul 04th 2009
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R.I.P
Jul 04th 2009
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really sad news R.I.P.
Jul 04th 2009
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TOUGH TOUGH PLAYER, really shocking news
Jul 04th 2009
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R.I.P.
Jul 04th 2009
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what a warrior. FUCK.
Jul 04th 2009
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R.I.P. Steve McNair
Jul 04th 2009
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Damn, RIP Steve...
Jul 04th 2009
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*smh* how sad..
Jul 04th 2009
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Damn. This is crazy. R.I.P. Steve...great player. R.I.P. young lady
Jul 04th 2009
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OH SHIT. I can't believe this. RIP.
Jul 04th 2009
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Wow, RIP Steve McNair
Jul 04th 2009
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Damn....
Jul 04th 2009
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damn, RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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damn... RIP Steve... you won't be forgotten....
Jul 04th 2009
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Wow this is crazy....RIP
Jul 04th 2009
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RE: Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide
Jul 04th 2009
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terrible news...he was one of my favorites.rip
Jul 04th 2009
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speechless
Jul 04th 2009
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RE: speechless
Jul 04th 2009
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im kinda just...blown right now. nothing else i can say
Jul 04th 2009
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Jesus.. it seems like yesterday i seen him dicing it in Alcorn State..
Jul 04th 2009
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what!?!?!?
Jul 04th 2009
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Hmmm...something sounds shady...n/m
Jul 04th 2009
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update: women identified as Sahel Kazemi
Jul 04th 2009
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Sobering ...
Jul 04th 2009
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fucckkkk...my condolonces to the mcnair family
Jul 04th 2009
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sounds like McNair was a serial player and picked the wrong girl
Jul 04th 2009
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Here's an awesome article about him
Jul 04th 2009
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Wow, this is looking like a murder-suicide. Other info (SWIPE)
Jul 04th 2009
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wasnt a murder suicide...ole girls man murked both of em and
Jul 04th 2009
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I was hoping it didn't go down like that.
Jul 05th 2009
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the police aren't even actively looking for a suspect
Jul 05th 2009
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looks like you might be right
Jul 05th 2009
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      i wasnt speculating...this was word on the street at first
Jul 05th 2009
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damn sounds like he went out like Sam Cooke on this one
Jul 04th 2009
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how about not cheating?
Jul 05th 2009
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aww go head w/ that dumb shit, we dont know he was cheating
Jul 05th 2009
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i didnt say he was cheating, spm implied it
Jul 05th 2009
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tell Phil Hartman that bs
Jul 05th 2009
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      right, cheating is wrong but let's not act like your wife can't off you
Jul 06th 2009
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it's pretty obvious that at least in the technical sense he was cheating
Jul 05th 2009
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      how do you know that?
Jul 05th 2009
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           McNair bought her an Escalade and paid for her condo
Jul 05th 2009
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           so what? whats that got to do w/ the price of tea in china?
Jul 05th 2009
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                ha!
Jul 05th 2009
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           c'mon
Jul 05th 2009
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RE: how about not cheating?
Jul 05th 2009
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A man is only as faithful as his options... (c) Chris Rock n/m
Jul 05th 2009
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not all men are fucking low-lifes pussyhounds, though
Jul 05th 2009
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      Not all men who cheat are "low life pussyhounds," Einstein.
Jul 06th 2009
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Fire is right
Jul 05th 2009
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      No, Fire is horrifyingly wrong, actually
Jul 06th 2009
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           I meant that she's right about him cheating
Jul 06th 2009
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           No, that's not what Fire said, and that's not what you meant.
Jul 06th 2009
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           nah, fucking some other woman is about the size of it
Jul 06th 2009
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                Yep, he sure was. You're still an idiot, though.
Jul 06th 2009
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           Define cheating.
Jul 06th 2009
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           fire is glaringly right
Jul 08th 2009
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                Fire is a WOMAN(and therefore, WRONG!!!!)
Jul 08th 2009
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                     ^^^^loves women
Jul 08th 2009
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His whole family probably feels like shit right now.
Jul 06th 2009
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      Probably?
Jul 06th 2009
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r.i.p. steve, you were the john wayne of qbs
Jul 04th 2009
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I'm ready for 2009 to end
Jul 04th 2009
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RIP
Jul 05th 2009
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RIP Steve
Jul 05th 2009
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This is fucked up, RIP.
Jul 05th 2009
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'This Can't Be Life' (c) Jay-Z ........R.I.P.
Jul 05th 2009
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wtf?
Jul 05th 2009
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I'm still in shock...RIP
Jul 05th 2009
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RIP Air McNair
Jul 05th 2009
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respect due...
Jul 05th 2009
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he was injury report everyweek
Jul 05th 2009
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this post is even better if you try and read it like a Haiku
Jul 05th 2009
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i think they saying it's homicide.. shot multiple times... smh.. RIP
Jul 05th 2009
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lol @ espn TALKING BOUT IT
Jul 05th 2009
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So I shouldn't be looking up to Joey Chesnut?
Jul 05th 2009
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and here....we.....go (c) the Joker
Jul 05th 2009
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read a stat in SI For Kids: only 10% of readers have athletes role model...
Jul 05th 2009
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were you in a waiting room or something?
Jul 06th 2009
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Apparently MLK Jr or JFK shouldn't be a role models
Jul 06th 2009
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T.Brady was praised 4 baggin a model while his babymoms was preggers
Jul 06th 2009
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^^^SUPREMELY UNDERRATED REPLY
Jul 08th 2009
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Hello pot, meet kettle
Jul 06th 2009
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fuck espn. jesus christ
Jul 08th 2009
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my favorite football player ever.
Jul 05th 2009
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I hear you my dude. This one hurt.
Jul 05th 2009
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Just terrible...utterly terrible all around. RIP
Jul 05th 2009
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just got back from camping, WTF? RIP Steve.
Jul 05th 2009
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mcnair was that nigga
Jul 06th 2009
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McNair's wife was unaware of affair with Kazemi until husband's death
Jul 06th 2009
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even if she did, would she admit it?
Jul 06th 2009
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      I find the not-knowing a little hard to believe as well,according to the
Jul 06th 2009
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           Not really, if his wife was in Mississippi and he was spending the...
Jul 06th 2009
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           RE: Not really, if his wife was in Mississippi and he was spending the.....
Jul 06th 2009
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           the condo where he was killed he leased wit a friend
Jul 06th 2009
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           I was under the impression he owned a mansion in Nashville, not so?
Jul 06th 2009
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                iono, but the place he was killed was a condo leased by him and a
Jul 06th 2009
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           this is so true
Jul 08th 2009
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TMZ has (non-salacious) photos of Steve and the girl parasailing (link)
Jul 06th 2009
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wow man..... this shit is bad...
Jul 06th 2009
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      yeah man, 19 yrs old, all fucked up over love and some crazy
Jul 08th 2009
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           I ain't buying it, I think its still more to the story, I think the...
Jul 08th 2009
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                young people do ridiculous shit man
Jul 08th 2009
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                she was a psycho bitch. what else is there to buy?
Jul 08th 2009
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                You under-estimate the psyche/craziness of young girls 'in love'
Jul 08th 2009
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the girlfriend bought the gun 2 days before the murder (LINK)
Jul 06th 2009
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sheesh...
Jul 07th 2009
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really good McNair piece, his history with the Oilers/Titans, etc
Jul 08th 2009
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excellent article
Jul 08th 2009
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dope, these last paragraphs were poignant
Jul 08th 2009
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so the media thinks mncair's affair is worse than mj's molestation charg...
Jul 08th 2009
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where do you surmise that from?
Jul 08th 2009
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hyperbole, but not much
Jul 08th 2009
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      RE: hyperbole, but not much
Jul 08th 2009
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      and has disappeared from the media's coverage of his death
Jul 08th 2009
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           How dare they let him R.I.P.
Jul 08th 2009
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           don't ever say anything bad about bull connor, then.
Jul 08th 2009
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                don't ever say anything bad about who?
Jul 08th 2009
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                these are low2behold-esque analogies, u must be going for reaction now
Jul 08th 2009
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           not sure what you're watching, because I continue to hear it plenty
Jul 08th 2009
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           Aint shit disappeared on Fox News
Jul 08th 2009
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      i hate how they're doing mcnair, but...
Jul 08th 2009
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           he's been goin hard on this MJ thing for 2 weeks, the McNair tie-in is
Jul 08th 2009
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                not really two weeks
Jul 08th 2009
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or...
Jul 08th 2009
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the recounting by the kid is an unsubstantiated rumor, Warren
Jul 08th 2009
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but it's only one of many sources that support
Jul 08th 2009
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      RE: but it's only one of many sources that support
Jul 08th 2009
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           RE: but it's only one of many sources that support
Jul 08th 2009
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           my real beef is with the bandwagon mourners
Jul 08th 2009
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                Michael Jackson is probably the most famous person on earth
Jul 08th 2009
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                question bshelly:
Jul 08th 2009
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                http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc173/FrankLongo/lennybuzz.gif
Jul 09th 2009
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                disagree,in fact Ive been pleasantly surprised w/the public & the media
Jul 08th 2009
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please tell me you don't actually believe that link
Jul 08th 2009
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RE: please tell me you don't actually believe that link
Jul 08th 2009
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      whatever. i'm done talking about michael jackson
Jul 08th 2009
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           you should have never started
Jul 08th 2009
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           did it ever occur to you i was mostly talking about my friends?
Jul 08th 2009
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                why would that occur to me?? You're posting on a message
Jul 08th 2009
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           GOOD!
Jul 08th 2009
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you'rea fucking idiot if you think that's true.
Jul 08th 2009
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      indeed
Jul 08th 2009
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to be fair though
Jul 09th 2009
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here's the CNN swipe with the ruling:
Jul 08th 2009
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interesting mcnair theory
Jul 09th 2009
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2. "What the fuck is going on?"
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3. "http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=10643962"
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Former Titans quarterback Steve McNair has been killed. Police said McNair suffered a gunshot would in an apparent murder-suicide in downtown Nashville.

Stay with NewsChannel5.com for more information as it becomes available.


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4. "confirmed."
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URGENT -- Nashville, TN police tell WKRN-TV that former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair has died in an apparent murder-suicide.
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8. "I'm not considering it confirmed, every reputable link is down now"
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I'm gonna wait for ESPN on this one.

  

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9. "They did on Twitter:"
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http://twitter.com/JayHarrisESPN/status/2473575567

And it's normal for sites to temporarily take stories down as they update them.

Two local stations in Nashville confirmed it through the police. It happened.
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31. "fuck, I was hoping this was a 'Goldblum/Hef' type of rumor"
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7. "damn...R.I.P."
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10. "Holy shit this happened down the road from me."
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RIP to a Nashville legend....shit....this is fucked up.

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12. "RE: Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide"
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you gotta be fucking kidding me!

What in the fuck!

  

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13. "it's like these sudden and unexpected deaths just won't stop"
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14. "Fox News is reporting it now."
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Said McNair's body is still in the mansion.
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15. "Man, this is fucked up."
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16. "this just ruined my day. RIP. a great QB and great man"
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17. "WSMV in Nashville says his wife shot him"
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then shot herself.

  

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25. "OMG... wow"
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29. "WSMV is pulling back on that now"
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I am hearing/reading so much different stories right now. Not gonna make any more comments til something is confirmed.

R.I.P.

  

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44. "Mortensen just reported his wife is Mississippi and has been notified"
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She didn't shoot him.

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57. "Wow. If THAT is true... well, assumptions can be made. "
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18. "Completely fucked up. RIP to one of the toughest ever"
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SMH

  

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19. "only way to bring him down, wow, sad sad sad, RIP"
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20. "dammit...wtf. he was one of my favorite qb's in his prime...RIP"
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21. "What a tragedy"
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Just . . . sad.

RIP to one of my favorite QB's of all time.

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22. "damn...the only Titan I loved to see play...Steve was the man"
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23. "Damn...RIP. This is Tough"
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Dude was one of my all-time favs...tough as nails. Gave everything to every team

RIP Air McNair

  

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24. "peace to his son, Steve Jr...."
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Thun is a senior in high school.

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26. "What the Fuck is this Shit? Damn."
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this one bums me out a little more than most.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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28. "This is fucking awful "
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30. "Police briefing..."
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on ESPNNews.

Police confirmed it was McNair, and have identified the female, but haven't notified the next of kin or have confirmed her identity.

Also said they were killed in a condo.

That sort of confirms it wasn't his wife.
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32. "HO.LY. SHIT...RIP."
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One of the most stand-up cats in the league, its a fuckin shame that he went out like that.

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33. "FUCK!!! RIP"
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34. "terrible...R.I.P."
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35. "R.I.P."
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Wow.

Don't really know what to say.

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thoughtprocess
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36. "goddamn"
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Ant0992005
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37. "Damn RIP"
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I was a huge Titans fan back in the day even had a jersey. Always used them in Madden. McNair was one of my favorite players

<--Real men do the steeple

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38. "wtf? r.i.p."
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i cant believe this shit

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39. "Awful. RIP"
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Thoughts to his fam and friends.

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thembi
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40. "my heart goes out to a fellow mississippian"
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dude was a beast at alcorn this shit is wild

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mrhood75
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41. "What the fucking hell? R.I.P."
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mrhood75
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42. "Okay, has the "murder-suicide" thing been confirmed?"
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The police "press conference" at the site didn't say anything about that, and I can't find anything confirming it?

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DJ Contact
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48. "Naw, its not confirmed, they aint even said who the girl is yet."
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"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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LeroyBumpkin
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61. "CNN is saying 'girlfriend'"
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43. "RIP"
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he was a true winner and a tough Brother. gonna be missed and hard to believe.

  

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BISON CLASS of 97
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45. "This is tragic.. RIP"
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46. "dam, RIP!!!!"
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FortifiedLive
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47. "damnit. RIP."
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49. "RIP Steve......a terrible tragedy..."
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Zion3Lion
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50. "R.I.P"
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hearing this hurt my heart man. Steve "Air" McNair was one of my favorite Athletes period!
A true warrior and genuinely good dude.

  

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Roadblock
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51. "really sad news R.I.P."
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52. "TOUGH TOUGH PLAYER, really shocking news"
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I remember how much I loved seeing his highlights at Alcorn State on Sportscenter every Saturday and rocking the 97 Tennessee Oilers number 9 in high school. I always admired this guys ability but over the years everyone had to come to admire his determination and toughness. Steve McNair is a guy who should always be remember as a WINNER.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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53. "R.I.P."
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54. "what a warrior. FUCK."
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55. "R.I.P. Steve McNair"
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*CROCKA*

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yesyesyall
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56. "Damn, RIP Steve..."
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LBs Finest
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58. "*smh* how sad.."
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Radio Rahim
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59. "Damn. This is crazy. R.I.P. Steve...great player. R.I.P. young lady"
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60. "OH SHIT. I can't believe this. RIP. "
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62. "Wow, RIP Steve McNair"
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63. "Damn...."
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The man did so much for black colleges....Dude was the toughest player on the field...

To an exceptional talent....R.I.P.






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DJR
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64. "damn, RIP"
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65. "damn... RIP Steve... you won't be forgotten...."
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icecold21
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66. "Wow this is crazy....RIP"
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Just saw it on ESPN ticker.

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greenmatter
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67. "RE: Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide"
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what the fuck... what is happening...too many people dieing before their time!

  

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The Money Man
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68. "terrible news...he was one of my favorites.rip"
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69. "speechless"
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70. "RE: speechless"
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RIP


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71. "im kinda just...blown right now. nothing else i can say"
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i have enormous respect for steve as a man fuck the football, and for him to be taken so young...i just...im speechless. my heart & prayers go out to his kids...all his sons...man, im just...wow.

tell your fam/friends you love em tonite because you really never know when u gonna go

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72. "Jesus.. it seems like yesterday i seen him dicing it in Alcorn State.."
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Wasn't AS great a career I would've hoped for him, but winning seasons, MVP honors and SB appearance and I felt rather happy for the man that he had a good run. But damn, the man was a fucking hero from Alcorn to retirement. I'm still shell-shocked over MJ and this shit punches just as hard.

  

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73. "what!?!?!?"
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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PanicManic
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74. "Hmmm...something sounds shady...n/m"
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75. "update: women identified as Sahel Kazemi"
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UPDATED 10 p.m.: Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi killed

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090704/SPORTS01/90704013/UPDATED+9+05+p.m.++Steve+McNair+and+Sahel+Kazemi+killed+

STAFF REPORTS July 4, 2009

UPDATED: 10 P.M.

Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair was killed in an apparent murder-suicide with a young woman he met at a local restaurant and have been dating for at least a few months.
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McNair, the hometown hero who did extensive charity work in Nashville, died of several gunshots and was found on the sofa, police said. Sahel Kazemi, 20, was found alongside him in a Second Avenue condo he rented. She had a single gunshot wound to her head; a pistol was found near her body.

Metro police spokesman Don Aaron said they were leaning toward certain scenarios based on the evidence, but they hadnt ruled anything out. Still, they were not actively looking for suspects Saturday night.

The medical examiner will be conducting autopsies (Sunday), Aaron said. We expect to make additional conclusions after the autopsy process.

Though much of the attention was on the Second Avenue crime scene, police also swarmed at the Cherry Creek apartment complex in Hermitage. They were questioning neighbors who said they often saw McNair visiting Kazemi. Sometimes, neighbors said, she would arrive home in a limousine in the early morning hours. She showed up with a new black car she said was a gift from her boyfriend.

She was arrested in that car, a black Cadillac Escalade registered to she and McNair, just two days before the deaths. She was charged with driving under the influence and refusing to take a breath test.

Keith Norfleet, Kazemis boyfriend for four years before they broke up five months ago, said he came to pick up the car for Kazemi.

Norfleet said McNair was in the car with her when the stop occurred, a fact that was not in the police affadavit but was confirmed by police Saturday night. McNair later bailed Kazemi out, according to bail bondsmen.

Norfleet said she told him she was seeing McNair, who she met while working as a waitress at Dave & Busters. He was worried about her dating a married man and hopeful theyd get back together. They had been living together for four years, since they moved from her familys home in Jacksonville, Fla., to Nashville.

  

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76. "Sobering ..."
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Numbing ... regardless of how he past, it's a shock and hard to accept. Him and MJ?!? everything is so surreal. FUCK!

Sick of the rumors that it was a jumpoff and his wife/kids were in another state, etc. RIP Steve. Best wishes for his family!

Life is short, make the most of it!

Challenger-

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bruceLeroy
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77. "fucckkkk...my condolonces to the mcnair family"
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RIP to one of the gutsiet players i've seen in my day

WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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mr_graff
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78. "sounds like McNair was a serial player and picked the wrong girl"
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79. "Here's an awesome article about him"
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http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/04/resilient-mcnair-earned-nashvilles-love/

Nashville really loved this dude. During his time with the Titans, Steve was THE MAN here. Damn, this really sucks.

  

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mrhood75
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80. "Wow, this is looking like a murder-suicide. Other info (SWIPE)"
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Summary: Cops aren't actively looking for a suspect. The woman was also arrested on Thursday for DUI; McNair was a passenger in a car that was registered to the both of them.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was shot multiple times, including once in the head, and a pistol was discovered near the body of the 20-year-old woman found dead with him Saturday in a downtown condominium.

Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron identified the woman as Sahel Kazemi, whom he called a "friend" of McNair's. She had a single gunshot wound to the head.

Police said the 36-year-old McNair was found on the sofa in the living room, and Kazemi was very close to him on the floor. Aaron said the gun was not "readily apparent" when police first arrived.

Autopsies were planned for Sunday.

Aaron said McNair's wife, Mechelle, is "very distraught."

"At this juncture, we do not believe she is involved," he said. "Nothing has been ruled out, but as far as actively looking for a suspect tonight, the answer would be no."

The bodies were discovered Saturday afternoon by McNair's longtime friend Wayne Neeley, who said he rents the condo with McNair.

Aaron said Neeley told authorities he went into the condo, saw McNair on the sofa and Kazemi on the floor but walked first into the kitchen before going back into the living room, where he saw the blood.

Neeley then called a friend, who alerted authorities.

Police said a witness saw McNair arrive at the condo between 1:30 and 2 a.m. Saturday and that Kazemi's vehicle was already there.

Two days ago, Nashville police arrested Kazemi on a DUI charge while driving a 2007 Escalade registered to her and McNair. McNair was in the front seat, but didn't break the law and was allowed to leave by taxi.

About 50 people crowded just beyond police tape outside the complex in the upscale Rutledge Hill neighborhood, some wearing Titans hats. The condominium is located within walking distance of an area filled with restaurants and nightspots, a few blocks from the Cumberland River and within view of the Titans' stadium.

In June, McNair opened a restaurant near the Tennessee State University campus. It was closed Saturday evening, but had become a small memorial, where flowers, candles and notes had been placed outside the door.

On the restaurant's windows were messages: "We will miss you Steve" and "We love you Steve."

A note attached to a small blue teddy bear read, "We will never forget you, Steve. Once a Titan, always a Titan."

McNair, a three-time Pro Bowler, led the Titans within a yard of forcing overtime in the 2000 Super Bowl, which they lost 23-16 to the St. Louis Rams. He also played for the Baltimore Ravens before retiring in April 2008.

His most noted drive, the last one in that Super Bowl, came when he led the Titans 87 yards in the final minute and 48 seconds, only to come up a yard short of the tying touchdown. Kevin Dyson caught his 9-yard pass, but was tackled at the 1-yard line by the Rams' Mike Jones.

McNair accounted for all of Tennessee's yards in that drive, throwing for 48 yards and rushing for 14. The rest of the yardage came on penalties against the Rams. Before that, he brought the Titans back from a 16-0 deficit to tie the game.

"We don't know the details, but it is a terrible tragedy and our hearts go out to the families involved," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement.

The news of former NFL quarterback Steve McNair's passing drew reaction from across the NFL. Reaction

"We are saddened and shocked to hear the news of Steve McNair's passing today," Titans owner Bud Adams said in a statement. "He was one of the finest players to play for our organization and one of the most beloved players by our fans. He played with unquestioned heart and leadership and led us to places that we had never reached, including our only Super Bowl."

"If you were going to draw a football player, the physical part, the mental part, everything about being a professional, he is your guy," former Ravens and Titans teammate Samari Rolle said. "I can't even wrap my arms around it. It is a sad, sad day. The world lost a great man today."

McNair began his career in 1995 with the Houston Oilers, who eventually became the Titans, and finished with 31,304 yards passing and 174 touchdowns. McNair played with pain for several years, and the injuries ultimately forced him to retire.

"On the field, there isn't player that was as tough as him, especially at the quarterback position," the Ravens' Derrick Mason said. "What I have seen him play through on the field, and what he dealt with during the week to get ready for a game, I have never known a better teammate."

During a five-game stretch at the end of the 2002 season, McNair was so bruised he couldn't practice. But he started all five games and won them, leading the Titans to an 11-5 finish and a berth in the AFC championship game for the second time in four seasons.

McNair played all 16 games in 2006, his first season in Baltimore, and guided the Ravens to a 13-3 record. But he injured his groin during the season opener last season and never regained the form that put him in those Pro Bowls.

"I am deeply saddened to learn of today's tragic news regarding the death of Steve McNair. He was a player who I admired a great deal," said New England Patriots senior football adviser Floyd Reese, who was GM of the Titans when McNair played for them. "He was a tremendous leader and an absolute warrior. He felt like it was his responsibility to lead by working hard every day, no matter what."

Titans coach Jeff Fisher was out of the country, taking part in the first NFL-USO coaches tour to Iraq.

Ozzie Newsome, Ravens executive vice president and general manager, said he immediately thought of McNair's four sons.

"This is so, so sad. We immediately think of his family, his boys. They are all in our thoughts and prayers," he said "What we admired most about Steve when we played against him was his competitive spirit, and we were lucky enough to have that with us for two years. He is one of the best players in the NFL over the last 20 years."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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81. "wasnt a murder suicide...ole girls man murked both of em and"
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hes on the run...heard mcnair been hittin ole girl off for a minute...ole girls man is an ex con...murked mcnair first..then her..and is now on the run

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85. "I was hoping it didn't go down like that."
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Dude obviously didn't think this one thru if that is how things happened.

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89. "the police aren't even actively looking for a suspect"
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murder/suicide seems the most likely scenario

  

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90. "looks like you might be right"
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82. "damn sounds like he went out like Sam Cooke on this one"
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my dudes
if u gon cheat on the wifey
please do it with a non crazy bitch
sheesh
imagine how his wife feels right now

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98. "how about not cheating?"
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99. "aww go head w/ that dumb shit, we dont know he was cheating"
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and if he was, that doesnt mean he deserves to be killed for it


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100. "i didnt say he was cheating, spm implied it"
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i was stating that if 1 didnt cheat they wouldnt have to worry about the sanity of their mistress

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102. "tell Phil Hartman that bs"
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135. "right, cheating is wrong but let's not act like your wife can't off you"
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101. "it's pretty obvious that at least in the technical sense he was cheating"
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now whether that was ok with his wife, they were on the outs headed towards divorce, or whatever else the situation was......technically he was having a sexual relationship with that girl while married.

It doesn't make what happened any less horrific but let's be real.

  

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103. "how do you know that?"
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how do you know he was having sex w/ the other chick that got killed?

how do you know he & his wife werent on the outs?

how do you know he & his wife werent swingers & she was cool w/ him dicking another chick?

etc etc

how abt we just leave the silly retarded assumptions for like...later? can he get buried before cats start shitting on the mans character? can he get THAT much respect?


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104. "McNair bought her an Escalade and paid for her condo"
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No way the wife is cool with that if they are still together--so forget about that "swingers" nonsense. As you said, they may have been separating but dude expressed that possibility in his post, calm down.

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105. "so what? whats that got to do w/ the price of tea in china?"
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what on earth does that shit MATTER, u goofy speculating ass gossipping ass females in male form?


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If you want to go ahead thinking he was taking her under his wing on some babysitting shit, fine...but don't blame everyone else for recognizing the obvious.

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107. "c'mon"
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>how do you know he was having sex w/ the other chick that got
>killed?
>
he put this girl up in a condo, co-signed a car for her, and was reported to be with her the night of her DUI plus has been a regular guest at her spot for the past six months?

Let's be adults here, that's not a hard one to figure out.

>how do you know he & his wife werent on the outs?
>
>how do you know he & his wife werent swingers & she was cool
>w/ him dicking another chick?
>
And I just listed those two as options if you had taken the time to read what I wrote. It's still in the technical sense sex outside the marriage which is all I said.

>etc etc
>
>how abt we just leave the silly retarded assumptions for
>like...later? can he get buried before cats start shitting on
>the mans character? can he get THAT much respect?
>
>
I ain't shitting on his character at all. Bottom line though is there is no doubt in my mind he was fucking that girl and that he would still be alive right now had they never met. Doesn't make what happened any less absolutely terrible or lead me to believe he's a bad person.

  

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109. "RE: how about not cheating?"
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Yup, no one wants to say that, but it's clear dude had a chick on the side. In my mind that doesn't make him a bad dude, but lets be real, dude made a choice and it looks like the consequences of that choice cost him his life.

  

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111. "A man is only as faithful as his options... (c) Chris Rock n/m"
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Willie Thrower was the 1st...
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117. "not all men are fucking low-lifes pussyhounds, though"
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Chris Rock can speak for himself on that one.

  

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129. "Not all men who cheat are "low life pussyhounds," Einstein. "
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118. "Fire is right"
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122. "No, Fire is horrifyingly wrong, actually"
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a) As the details file in, it is abundantly clear that
McNair and Ms.Hashemi had been an item for some
time, and had been out and about, not indiscreet at all. The
truth is that the wife probably knew about it. You can hate
Mcnair for not officially ending the marriage legally, but
there's plenty of marriages that continue legally, as a
formality, while the individuals involved aren't actively together.

There are, however, no reports of Mcnair being anything other
than a good dad and financially speaking, husband. His wife and
kids lived very well. I'm not trying to give credit to someone
for something that they are "supposed to do," but it is relevant
in any discussion on Mcnair's morality.

The most moral men in the world fall in love and sleep with
other women. They are still moral, however, because they
remain financially committed to their other situations,
especially their children.


b) Even if the above was NOT true, him "cheating" shouldn't
be used as a reason for the murder because murders involving
lovers/ex-lovers happen all the time to people who have
formally, legally divorced/broken-up(i.e, were NOT cheating).

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090629/NEWS01/906290355/1008/NEWS01/Police+say+man+killed+ex-wife++her+fiance++self


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1583018.html


http://www.coloradodaily.com/news/2009/apr/06/boulder-shooting-couple-robert-katelin-oakley/

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6884322


That being the case, "he shouldn't have cheated" is a not
only insensitive, it outright stupid. Even if he had divorced his
wife, that doesn't mean he would have met a different
fate. Ex-lovers, whether divorced or not, kill.


What's really happening is that black women and white people
aren't living in reality, and are trying to manufacture some
sort of silly morality tale out of this:

- Black women want to teach us a lesson about why we
shouldn't be dating outside our race, and why we should
stay faithful to our women(both understandable)

- White people want to teach us a lesson about how rich
negroes are immoral(not understandable)


Whether or understandable or not, both are wrong and
pathetic.





  

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127. "I meant that she's right about him cheating"
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Dice it any way you want, but the dude was fucking some other woman.

Later for all the racial and social shit. The thing I was agreeing with her on was that he was cheating. That's it.

  

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128. "No, that's not what Fire said, and that's not what you meant. "
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Fire said that him not cheating would have been a way
for him to avoid the wrath of the shooter. That statement
is wrong per the arguments I provided you.

>Dice it any way you want, but the dude was fucking some other
>woman.

There is no excuse for being an idiot. "Dicing it all you want"
in this case simply means "thinking."

Besides, mentioning him "fucking some other woman" is only
relevant if you're saying that it somehow justified what
happened to him, which it doesn't, at all.

Also him "fucking some other woman" is fundamentally
different than him "dating some other woman." The latter
is actually what was happening.

The other reason you could be bringing it up is to
make some sort of point about morality, which again,
is stupid, both because you don't know the details,
and because you're being naive.

Not knowing the details makes you an idiot because there's
nothing immoral about being openly with another woman, even
if you are legally married, as long as your partner knows and
your family is taken care of.

Being naive makes you an idiot because extramarital affairs
are more par for the course than your morality allows, and
odds are most people you admire were involved in them.

Doesn't make it right, but it does make you naive.


>Later for all the racial and social shit. The thing I was
>agreeing with her on was that he was cheating. That's it.

She didn't just say that. SPM said that. You were
agreeing with her broader point.

  

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140. "nah, fucking some other woman is about the size of it"
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Pretty much got all the detail I need. I didn't, and won't put any more thought into it.

I eagerly await the next tome of shit you conjure up. Go ahead and round out the trilogy.

  

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141. "Yep, he sure was. You're still an idiot, though. "
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143. "Define cheating."
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Because you don't know his/her/their business.

It's none of our business, and it's irrelevant here.

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149. "fire is glaringly right"
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150. "Fire is a WOMAN(and therefore, WRONG!!!!)"
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133. "His whole family probably feels like shit right now. "
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His wife got the worst part of it though.

This has just been a weird past few weeks.

  

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144. "Probably?"
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Try definitely.

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83. "r.i.p. steve, you were the john wayne of qbs"
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tough, gritty, and fought injuries all through the week and chased pain away come game day...was never afraid to lower his shoulder and get the tough yards, but could kill a team with his arm and i.q. as well.

you'll be missed, bro. peaceful journey.

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84. "I'm ready for 2009 to end"
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MJ, Tisdale, Robert Brookins, Alexis Arguello and now Steve McNair... man I've never seen so many people I care about go in sure a short period like this ... This shit is just crazy
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86. "RIP"
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87. "RIP Steve"
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FUCK! I hate when shit like this happens. Damn two legends in the past week? Steve Mcnair was the toughest QB to ever play the fucking game!



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88. "This is fucked up, RIP."
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91. "'This Can't Be Life' (c) Jay-Z ........R.I.P."
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My grandma passes away 2 months ago. MJ passes away 10 days ago. My best friend's dad passed away last Sunday (he was only 50)--and it's his wedding later today. Now McNair passes and leaves this world all too early. These are some fucked up times for me right now. I really can't understand why this bullshit is happening right now. I just want it to end.

Much respect to an absolute warrior who gave so much to the game of football. I'll never forget watching clips of you at Alcorn St. and wanting you to win the Heisman. You weren't blessed with a great arm, but you were blessed with amazing poise, pocket presence, and great decision-making skills. You were a leader. You took some lousy teams really far. To me, you were the NFL's true Iron-Man. You will be missed.

  

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92. "wtf?"
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93. "I'm still in shock...RIP"
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94. "RIP Air McNair"
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>
>http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643916
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>Steve McNair dead in apparent murder-suicide
>Posted: Jul 04, 2009 2:50 PM Updated: Jul 04, 2009 2:55 PM
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>NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve
>McNair is dead.
>
>Metro police have confirmed the former Titans star was found
>slain and is the victim of an apparent murder-suicide.
>
>The identity of the other person was not immediately known.
>
>No other information is available at this time.
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>
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95. "respect due..."
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*artism*


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97. "he was injury report everyweek"
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I had him in FF, always questionable to play
but i hardly bench him caus he always play on Sundays
unless i had a better qb match up
people keep saying he was going to retire
b/c of a broken sternum or some ish, but he still played like 3 seasons
afterwards,
i always rooted for him

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108. "this post is even better if you try and read it like a Haiku"
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it's not in haiku form, but yeah...

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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110. "i think they saying it's homicide.. shot multiple times... smh.. RIP"
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112. "lol @ espn TALKING BOUT IT"
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they did a whole thing on why we should not idolize athletes because mcnair was cheating on his wife
i wonder if they would have spun that angle if it was brett farve instead of mcnair

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113. "So I shouldn't be looking up to Joey Chesnut? "
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Willie Thrower was the 1st...
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119. "and here....we.....go (c) the Joker"
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121. "read a stat in SI For Kids: only 10% of readers have athletes role model..."
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and yeah, I was reading SI For Kids.

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126. "were you in a waiting room or something?"
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but yeah, it seems like at this point people get at least AS mad at athletes disappointing as role models as they do politicians. i'd argue even moreso but at least people don't call for the athletes to get cut if they cheat on their wife.

  

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123. "Apparently MLK Jr or JFK shouldn't be a role models"
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124. "T.Brady was praised 4 baggin a model while his babymoms was preggers"
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yes pregnant


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164. "^^^SUPREMELY UNDERRATED REPLY"
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if brady died tomorrow, you wouldn't hear the words "bridget moynihan" until her next tv movie came out,

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132. "Hello pot, meet kettle"
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We all know how them fools at ESPN roll. They have no soapbox to stand on here.

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154. "fuck espn. jesus christ"
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114. "my favorite football player ever."
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a part of my childhood is gone

RIP to a Titan Legend.

straight up, i cried.

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116. "I hear you my dude. This one hurt."
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115. "Just terrible...utterly terrible all around. RIP"
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120. "just got back from camping, WTF? RIP Steve."
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125. "mcnair was that nigga"
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130. "McNair's wife was unaware of affair with Kazemi until husband's death"
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/06/2009-07-06_untitled__3mcnair06m.html

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134. "even if she did, would she admit it?"
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I doubt it... I feel horrible for her and especially their kids regardless but it really doesnt seem like he was hiding the relationship at all


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136. "I find the not-knowing a little hard to believe as well,according to the"
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reports he was over at that crib enough neighbors thought he lived there, plus he was obviously kicking in on finances with the Escalade/etc.

A wife doesn't miss all that unless she's willfully trying not to see it or they actually were going through a separation like the sister of the girl indicated she'd been told.

  

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138. "Not really, if his wife was in Mississippi and he was spending the..."
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majority of his time in Nashville, its quite possible that the wife didn't know what was going on specifically, although I'm sure she had ideas.

You'd be surprised at how many pro athletes have totally separate lives away from their families and have multiple women in multiple cities, and I don't just mean groupies they call up and smash when they're in town, they're actually supporting these chicks, paying their rent and buying them cars and shit. Sometimes even promising them they are going to leave their wives and eventually marry them.

The wives at home usually know something is up but a lot of them just choose to look the other way as long as they are taken care of and living in a big mansion, driving fancy cars and wearing expensive jewelry.

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146. "RE: Not really, if his wife was in Mississippi and he was spending the....."
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>majority of his time in Nashville, its quite possible that
>the wife didn't know what was going on specifically, although
>I'm sure she had ideas.
>
>You'd be surprised at how many pro athletes have totally
>separate lives away from their families and have multiple
>women in multiple cities, and I don't just mean groupies they
>call up and smash when they're in town, they're actually
>supporting these chicks, paying their rent and buying them
>cars and shit. Sometimes even promising them they are going to
>leave their wives and eventually marry them.
>
>The wives at home usually know something is up but a lot of
>them just choose to look the other way as long as they are
>taken care of and living in a big mansion, driving fancy cars
>and wearing expensive jewelry.

yeah, I mean when dude is spending all of his time away for six straight months and he's a retired millionare......she's gotta know the deal but just either be cool with it, decided to look the other way for her own reasons, or they actually were on the verge of a split.

  

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139. "the condo where he was killed he leased wit a friend"
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so he prolly just told the wife he was at HIS condo in nashville
he just opened up a new restaurant so he probably had a good excuse to be away from his family for all those months
"i'm trying get the restaurant off the ground babe" etc

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145. "I was under the impression he owned a mansion in Nashville, not so?"
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147. "iono, but the place he was killed was a condo leased by him and a"
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157. "this is so true"
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>reports he was over at that crib enough neighbors thought he
>lived there, plus he was obviously kicking in on finances with
>the Escalade/etc.
>
>A wife doesn't miss all that unless she's willfully trying not
>to see it or they actually were going through a separation
>like the sister of the girl indicated she'd been told.

unless your name is jackie christie, it seems like the wife of a pro athlete in general would have to accept that hubby is gonna f*ck around (and even moreso on the road), and that it's just a part of the life. i mean they're pro athletes.

anyway, RIP Air McNair. thanks for the memories.

  

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131. "TMZ has (non-salacious) photos of Steve and the girl parasailing (link)"
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http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/steve_mcnair_and_sahel_kazemi
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142. "wow man..... this shit is bad..."
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I mean... man you got to watch these young young gurls... they on some other shit now....and Steve got him a super loco one...

I feel bad for his wife and family man..

  

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153. "yeah man, 19 yrs old, all fucked up over love and some crazy"
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shit and then she goes batshit insane and kills Stever and herself. what kind of shit is that? girls that young falling for older dudes get all crazed and then do shit like this.

wtf steve falling for some young girl like this. at the very least bang her and bounce but looks like he fell for her. maybe he told her he's done and she went crazy.


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156. "I ain't buying it, I think its still more to the story, I think the..."
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boyfriend might have been involved then turned on her at the last minute. Unless this chick was REALLY wacked out I just can't see that young girl doing all that by herself, killing him in cold blood, shooting him in both temples and twice in the chest then putting the gun to her own head, that takes a lot of balls.

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160. "young people do ridiculous shit man"
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they have no perspective on things, whatever is going on with them at the time seems like the whole world to them, so when something goes wrong they feel like their life won't be the same, etc.

looks like mcnair hit the reverse lotto with the jumpoff he picked

  

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189. "she was a psycho bitch. what else is there to buy?"
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190. "You under-estimate the psyche/craziness of young girls 'in love'"
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From just released police reports......she thought he was seeing another younger girl(she actually followed that girl home, but didnt do anything about it), had serious money issues with two car payments and rent doubling, had the friday before told a friend that her life was shit and should end it.

There's a lot of evidence that shows she was mentally compromised....hell, the police investigation also said she positioned her herself as such that she would kill herself and then fall into his lap....if anything says crazy, romantic suicide, it's that.

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137. "the girlfriend bought the gun 2 days before the murder (LINK)"
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/06/mcnair.shooting/index.html

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148. "sheesh..."
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this just gets worse and worse.

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152. "really good McNair piece, his history with the Oilers/Titans, etc"
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2009/remembering-steve-mcnair

07 Jul 2009
Remembering Steve McNair

by Mike Tanier

Steve McNair's career-defining moment was a loss, his most memorable play a failure.

McNair never won a Super Bowl, but no quarterback ever lost one the way he did. McNair, league co-MVP in 2003, four-time Pro Bowler, earned the kind of respect losing Super Bowl XXXIV that most players only get from winning. In the coarse world of modern professional sports, where winning championships is the only praiseworthy feat and losers are mocked and derided, he proved that moral victories are still possible.
"He's going to take us where we hope to go"

McNair signed the largest rookie contract in NFL history on July 22, 1995. One week later, he ran gassers on an empty field as his teammates watched.

It was part rookie hazing, part retribution for McNair's brief contract holdout. The quarterback ran ten 20-yard dashes back-to-back while players taunted and on-lookers cheered. By the end of the sprints which occurred after a long day and week of practice -- McNair was starting to slow down. "I was a little bit tired," McNair said. "It's something you have to expect. I enjoyed it. It's going to make me a better player."

A week later, McNair entertained teammates at a barbecue by chasing and catching a live pig. "To be honest, it wasn't that hard," he said. "I'm just a country boy from Mississippi. That wasn't the first time I had caught a pig."

The rookie McNair was an enigma. He was both a small-school unknown and a victim of over-hype. Alcorn State lay far off the football map, but a Sports Illustrated cover story, a long list of NCAA records and the "Air McNair" nickname made McNair seem more like a fluky curiosity than a true prospect. He was a black quarterback, which was still noteworthy at the time. But following close on the heels of Warren Moon in Houston, he wasn't breaking new ground. His contract with the Oilers made him one of the highest-paid players in the NFL, but the gasser-running, pig-catching McNair remained quiet and humble.

Teammates expecting a brash rookie upstart got to know a different McNair in 1995. He was briefly rechristened "McMillionaire," and receiver Haywood Jeffries was one of many to make light of the new face with the $28 million contract. "He's definitely going to have to get in some of our card games," Jeffries said. "I have a mortgage to pay." When teammate Todd McNair told the rookie that he was a distant cousin, Jeffries said he "was trying to lie his way into the will." But after a few days of practice, teammates and coaches stopped talking about McNair's contract and began praising his preparation and approach to the game. "He's hungry and he's been studying," said offensive coordinator Jerry Rhome. "He's running very smooth." Rhome and head coach Jeff Fisher let McNair play a few series in a scrimmage against the Cowboys, and the rookie went 5-of-10 for 30 yards. After the team barbecue, he was besieged by autograph seekers, who quickly embraced McNair as the new face of the Oilers.

McNair won over teammates, coaches, and fans, but he couldn't win a starting job. The Oilers had a serviceable quarterback in Chris Chandler, and the climb from Alcorn State to the NFL was steep, even for a player like McNair. McNair would spend two years on the Oilers bench, not as a disappointment, but as an understudy. After those first days of camp, McNair knew he had to be patient. "I'm not going to say I should play my first year, my second year," he said. "I just want to learn things and get where I feel comfortable. I'm still making mistakes, but I'm going to do what it takes to get things corrected."

On the day he signed McNair, Oilers owner Bud Adams wasn't worried about an extended apprenticeship. He was taking a long-range view, listing McNair next to Oilers greats Billy Cannon, Earl Campbell, and Warren Moon. "Cannon, Campbell and Moon helped make the Oilers winners," Adams said. "When we drafted Billy, we won the first two AFL championships. When we drafted Earl, we almost reached the Super Bowl. When we signed Warren, he led us to the playoffs seven straight years. Steve's going to be in the same category. We knew he was a special quarterback when we drafted him. I know he's going to take us where we hope to go -- the Super Bowl."

Adams was right. McNair took the franchise to the Super Bowl. When he got there, he made a different kind of history.
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"It's Sad to Come That Close"

Before One Yard Short, Super Bowls didn't end like that.

In the 1990s, saying you only watched the Super Bowl for the commercials didn't sound contrary or ironic. Games were salted away by halftime, usually by NFC powerhouses like the Cowboys or 49ers, though the Broncos had recently broken the NFC hegemony. Even hardcore football fans saw the Super Bowl as the frothy foam on the season, a game with high stakes but low entertainment value and a foregone-conclusion outcome.

One Yard Short was the fantastic finish that touched off a run of fantastic finishes. McNair and receiver Kevin Dyson started a trend. In this decade, we've grown fat on Adam Vinatieri field goals, David Tyree helmet-catches, and Santonio Holmes heroics. One Yard Short lives forever in our memories, but what was arguably once the Greatest Super Bowl Ever is now struggling to stay in the top five.

McNair didn't throw a touchdown pass in Super Bowl XXXIV. He failed on a two-point conversion that changed the outcome of the game: Dyson lunged to tie the game on that final play (assuming the extra point), not win it. McNair's performance was statistically unspectacular. You had to see it to understand. "My hat is off to that guy," said Rams linebacker Mike Jones, who made the final tackle. "He left it all on the field," Fisher said. "He's a warrior. He's a battler," said Rams defensive end Kevin Carter. "The people who didn't know Steve McNair before will know him now," said Titans tight end Steve Wycheck.

McNair himself was philosophical. "It's sad to come that close and come up short after playing such a great game. That's the bad part of this game. Someone has got to lose, but why couldn't it be a tie?"
"There is no controversy ... Steve is our starter."

A tie would have fit McNair's career at that point. His first four seasons with the Oilers franchise were marked by 8-8 seasons - three of them - plus a 7-9 record his rookie year. The franchise lacked identity, moving from Houston to Tennessee and playing as the Tennessee Oilers for two years before becoming the Titans. The Oilers-Titans played in college stadiums and drew little national media attention. The franchise spent four years idling while Adams completed the Houston-to-Nashville shift, and McNair's record and stats were unspectacular.

By 1999, the Titans had a new stadium, but McNair was no superstar despite two seasons as a starter. Fans booed him when he fumbled in the first game in Adelphi Coliseum, but they warmed to their quarterback when he brought the team back from a nine-point fourth quarter deficit to beat the Bengals. Four days later, McNair missed practice with back spasms that had bothered him since training camp. He practiced a day later, then felt more tightness.

He wouldn't play again until Halloween.

In McNair's absence, veteran backup Neil O'Donnell went 4-1 as a starter, setting the stage for a quarterback controversy. Young versus experienced, talented versus efficient, black versus white, first place versus another potential .500 season lost to development: locker rooms have been torn apart over far less. The Titans didn't splinter. "Neil is a great acquisition who's helped us get to this point," tight end Frank Wycheck said. "But Steve's our starter, that's been clear from the beginning. That's why there is no controversy. If there was still a question in the air, it might stir some. But there's not, and Neil understands that, too."

The Titans faced the Rams in McNair's first game back. McNair pounced on his opponent, throwing for two touchdowns and running for a third to take a 21-0 first quarter lead. Kurt Warner, who fumbled twice in the first quarter to set up Titans scoring opportunities, led a second half comeback, engineering a nine-play drive after an onside kick to set up a potential game-tying field goal with seven seconds left. The 38-yard Jeff Wilkins kick sailed wide right, and headlines trumpeted McNair's return, not Warner's comeback. "I don't think he was trying to prove a point," said receiver Yancey Thigpen. "I don't think he feels he has to prove a point ... He knew he wanted to come out and play well, and he did that."

The Rams and Titans were both in first place on that Halloween afternoon, but it would have been preposterous to suggest a Super Bowl rematch, let alone one with eerie parallels to that October game: the big lead, the long comeback, the final drive that comes up short. It was hard to imagine a more dramatic finale, but McNair, Warner, and their teammates provided one in January.
"It's all about rebuilding and starting fresh"

Hurricane Katrina made landfall in Louisiana on August 29, 2005. Later in the day, the storm surge breeched levees throughout Louisiana and Mississippi, touching off a national emergency.

Three days later, the Titans faced the Packers in a preseason game. McNair, the quarterback from Mount Olive, Mississippi, played three series against Brett Favre, the quarterback from Kiln, Mississippi. Then the pair turned their attention back to the relief effort.

Before the game, Favre and McNair filled a tractor trailer with bottled water, canned goods, and generators to ship to the Gulf Coast. McNair offered autographed photos in exchange for $100 donations. "It's a relief for me and all my family members and my teammates to go out and do all we can to help those people in shelters and making them at least feel comfortable while they're there," McNair said.

In the days to come, as the full impact of Katrina came to light, McNair increased his efforts. Media coverage and relief efforts centered on New Orleans, but rural Mississippi was hit just as hard and had far less infrastructure. "You still have Pascagoula and others, where Steve is from Mount Olive, that've been hit, too," McNair's business manager Raymond White said. "What Steve is trying to do is hit some of those rural areas where there might be only one gas station around, to help out people."

McNair organized a relief drive in Nashville. He and his volunteers hoped to fill six trucks with supplies. They filled twenty. They raised $80,000 in cash. "You have to be amazed because in a short period of time to put something like this together," McNair said. "My hat goes off to the people who came here who went through their closets and supplies and donated some things to send to people who don't have anything."

Between the preseason game and the relief drive, McNair flew home to flood-ravaged Mississippi. He returned to Tennessee optimistic. "I talked to some people, and they feel really strong about it, about the positives," he said. "It's all about rebuilding and starting fresh. That's the positive thing being taken out of it."

Peyton and Eli Manning also joined the relief effort, as did hundreds of other NFL players and thousands of professional athletes. The disaster revealed what's best about sports in America: wealthy athletes' willingness to give back, the kinship that underlies on-field rivalries, the healing that occurs when a community gathers for a game, even after a tragedy. McNair was among the first to offer relief, getting supplies to the Gulf Coast when they were most needed. The 2005 season was his among his worst as a quarterback: though he made the Pro Bowl, the Titans went 4-10 with McNair as a starter. Off the field, it was his best season ever.
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"They won the battle."

Super Bowl XXXIV unfolded like the old fable of the tortoise and the hare.

The hare-quick Rams took a 16-0 halftime lead, then napped. McNair and the tortoise-slow Titans offense embarked on an erosive comeback. It took the entire third quarter for the Titans to score their first touchdown, failing on the two-point conversion. They got the ball back and drove for another touchdown. They tied the game in the final minutes with a field goal.

Kurt Warner and Isaac Bruce erased 27 minutes of work with one long touchdown pass.

For the Rams offense, everything came easy. For McNair, every drive was grinding trench warfare. With top receiver Yancey Thigpen was injured, McNair had to rely on tight ends Wycheck and Jackie Harris, inexperienced receivers Dyson, Isaac Byrd, and Derrick Mason. Stalwart running back Eddie George offered four reliable yards and a cloud of dust, but McNair could only count on himself for big plays. He made them, scrambling 23 yards to set up the first touchdown, threading a deep pass over the middle to Byrd to set up another, refusing to go down on a sneak while fullback Lorenzo Neal shoved him forward to convert a fourth-and-1.

Big plays aside, the Titans crept down the field on rollout passes to Wycheck and Harris, quick in-routes to Dyson, handoffs to George in situations when most teams would abandon the run. It all worked, but the Titans offense burned time and timeouts. The Rams needed neither to reclaim a seven-point lead, to pin the Titans at their own 12-yard line (thanks to a kickoff return penalty) with one timeout and less than two minutes to play.

McNair's final drive was more methodical than heroic. A nine-yard pass to Mason over the middle. A seven-yard pass to Wycheck in the flat. An incompletion. Was this the birth of a legend, or clock-eating desperation against a prevent defense? The pocket collapsed, McNair scrambled, turned upfield to reach the first down markers, then cut to the left sideline to get out of bounds. Defender Dre' Bly twisted McNair's facemask to keep the quarterback from reaching the sideline, and the complexion of that final drive changed. The Titans had the ball on the Rams 45-yard line. They still had their timeout.

A Rams penalty gave the Titans five more yards. McNair scrambled right, broke a tackle, ran out of bounds for two yards. A quick curl to Dyson over the middle brought another first down. The game got sloppy in those final seconds. McNair nearly threw an interception to Bly, but Rams defender Kevin Carter lined up offside, erasing the play and giving the Titans five more yards. McNair picked up a Rams blitz, but George didn't, and McNair's hot-route pass to the inattentive George bounced off the back of his arm.

The next play could have been the greatest in Super Bowl history, if only the play after it succeeded. Words don't do justice to McNair's scramble, eluding two defenders, planting his hand on the turf to keep his his footing, throwing a strike to Dyson at the 10-yard line. It was breathtaking, and it took America to a place we had never been before: ten yards, one play, no timeouts, the Super Bowl in the balance.

McNair and Dyson connected once more, on a slant over the middle, for nine yards. "It was a one-on-one battle," McNair said of Dyson's attempt to elude Mike Jones. "They won the battle."

McNair was just 26 years old. We assumed the best was yet to come. In many ways, it was. The Titans finished 13-3 again in 2000. They reached the playoffs in 2002 and 2003. McNair led the team to the conference championship in 2003. McNair was a better quarterback in those later years than he was in 1999; he scrambled less, relied less on George, did more with his arm and mind for teams that weren't as good as the one that lost Super Bowl XXXIV. Age took its toll, and the cost-conscious Titans unceremoniously dumped McNair on the free agent market in 2006, but he wasn't finished. McNair turned in one of the best seasons of his career for the 2006 Ravens, leading the team to a 13-3 record, throwing for 3,050 yards, most of them on the same short passes he used to whittle away the Rams lead in the Super Bowl.

But McNair never reached the Super Bowl again. His image crystallized in January of 2000. The pass, the tackle, the reach ... this became McNair's moment.
"He played football the way it was supposed to be played"

It was an ugly game between two ugly teams. The Ravens, playing behind a patchwork line and with few offensive playmakers, could only muster three field goals. The 49ers, starting over-the-hill veteran Trent Dilfer and facing the formidable Ravens defense, managed just a touchdown. The Ravens, one year removed from the playoffs but enduring a lost season, hung on for a 9-7 win on an October afternoon in 2007. McNair was 29-of-43 for 214 yards, most of the passes (11 of them), short hitches to Mason, his favorite target in two cities. McNair, slowed by a groin injury and looking much older than he did in 2006, could move the ball, but he couldn't get the Ravens in the end zone. "It was frustrating. We'd get into the red zone and had to settle for field goals. We've got to do better. It's something we're going to have to work on," he said.

He never got the chance. McNair's chronic back problem flared up again after the Niners game. "I guess he slept on it wrong," coach Brian Billick said, stating that McNair would be a game-time decision the following week.

McNair wouldn't start again for a month. When he returned to the field, he was awful, throwing for just 63 yards in a 38-7 loss to the Steelers. Two weeks later, McNair was shelved for the season. That messy win against the 49ers, two bad teams trading punts and field goals, far from the playoff chase, was his last NFL win.

McNair retired in April of 2008. The headlines called him a role model and trailblazer. Columnists wrote of his resilience, grit, toughness. "I love him as a father figure," Vince Young said of the man who mentored him. "He played football the way it was supposed to be played," said Mason.

Many spoke and wrote about his legacy as a black quarterback, one who bucked the "great athlete who cannot lead" stereotype and was idolized by a generation that included players like Young. "When he came out in '95, not many people were taking a chance on a lot of quarterbacks that played at small schools, much less a black quarterback back when there were so many stereotypes about African-American quarterbacks," Mason said. "Can they lead a team? Are they smart enough? Can he be that franchise guy?' He was that kind of guy."

McNair's career taught lessons about race and about courage, but One Yard Short taught us something else. The sports culture has grown increasingly shrill. The schoolyard taunt of "loser" passes for learned discourse on talk shows and the Internet. "He never won anything" is the bon mot that tarnishes the legacies of non-champions in all sports. Fans are expected to forget everything a player like Dan Marino or Donovan McNabb accomplished, ignoring dozens of wins to dwell on one or two losses.

One Yard Short exposes those "he's not a winner" arguments for the suckerpunch they are, showing the keen edge that separates champions from also-rans. McNair earned immunity from such taunts that day, proving that he could, even though he didn't. Thoughtful fans can return to that moment when pondering the legacy of other players, who may have come up five yards short, or twenty, but could still see the end zone, still gave their teams a chance at glory:

A loss is not always a failure.

Losing a game doesn't make someone less motivated, less talented, less conscientious, less of a man.

There are elements of competition - perseverance, sportsmanship, courage, effort - that are just as praiseworthy as winning.

The circumstances surrounding McNair's death cloud his off-field reputation, but they don't change what he represented on the field. Leader, trailblazer, warrior, a mortal who came up just short of a championship, a worker who never complained, always battled, did what was best for the team. A man who played football the way it was supposed to be played, and by losing Super Bowl XXXIV, taught us how the game should be enjoyed.

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186. "excellent article"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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194. "dope, these last paragraphs were poignant"
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>
>McNair's career taught lessons about race and about courage,
>but One Yard Short taught us something else. The sports
>culture has grown increasingly shrill. The schoolyard taunt of
>"loser" passes for learned discourse on talk shows and the
>Internet. "He never won anything" is the bon mot that
>tarnishes the legacies of non-champions in all sports. Fans
>are expected to forget everything a player like Dan Marino or
>Donovan McNabb accomplished, ignoring dozens of wins to dwell
>on one or two losses.
>
>One Yard Short exposes those "he's not a winner" arguments for
>the suckerpunch they are, showing the keen edge that separates
>champions from also-rans. McNair earned immunity from such
>taunts that day, proving that he could, even though he didn't.
>Thoughtful fans can return to that moment when pondering the
>legacy of other players, who may have come up five yards
>short, or twenty, but could still see the end zone, still gave
>their teams a chance at glory:
>
>A loss is not always a failure.
>
>Losing a game doesn't make someone less motivated, less
>talented, less conscientious, less of a man.
>
>There are elements of competition - perseverance,
>sportsmanship, courage, effort - that are just as
>praiseworthy as winning.
>
>The circumstances surrounding McNair's death cloud his
>off-field reputation, but they don't change what he
>represented on the field. Leader, trailblazer, warrior, a
>mortal who came up just short of a championship, a worker who
>never complained, always battled, did what was best for the
>team. A man who played football the way it was supposed to be
>played, and by losing Super Bowl XXXIV, taught us how the game
>should be enjoyed.
>
>Posted by: Mike Tanier on 07 Jul 2009

  

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155. "so the media thinks mncair's affair is worse than mj's molestation charg..."
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good job, american media.

christ.

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158. "where do you surmise that from? "
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163. "hyperbole, but not much"
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the jackson molestation charges were quickly buried under "the man made thriller" media hype.

meanwhile, the lead story on espn is a fucking travesty that asks if his entire legacy goes out the window because he cheated (on the same day they run the latest reilly lance armstrong suck-off, btw).

it's just funny and sick to me how one of the unquestionably good, admirable guys i remember seeing in the nfl is getting his name dragged through the mud while a guy who, while not proven guilty, had a lot of evidence against him for an actual crime is lionized.

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165. "RE: hyperbole, but not much"
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>the jackson molestation charges were quickly buried under
>"the man made thriller" media hype.
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quickly? that has been one of the first thing's brought up in regards to Michael Jackson since 1993 despite him being possibly the biggest star in the history of popular music.

  

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166. "and has disappeared from the media's coverage of his death"
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171. "How dare they let him R.I.P."
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181. "don't ever say anything bad about bull connor, then."
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when the history of his life is brought up, remember, you can only talk about his dedicated service. you can't talk about anything he did with segregation.

same thing with hitler. he did a lot of good for khaki and mustaches.

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184. "don't ever say anything bad about who?"
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>when the history of his life is brought up, remember, you can
>only talk about his dedicated service. you can't talk about
>anything he did with segregation.

I can't talk about anything he did period 'cause I don't even know or care who the fuck he is

>same thing with hitler. he did a lot of good for khaki and
>mustaches.

Ah ok I get it now. You're just mad & lookin for laughs now.

Sorry sonny. Not the time & place. I'm out.

  

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188. "these are low2behold-esque analogies, u must be going for reaction now"
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172. "not sure what you're watching, because I continue to hear it plenty"
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but I guess you're not accustomed to the man getting any good press or public figures showing him much love in the past two decades so perhaps that feels jarring to you and suggests a landslide of deluded accolades.

To me the coverage has been mostly fair, with it leaning toward lionization in some circles and demonization in others but mostly acknowledging the issues while accepting that there's more to it than that.

The people have heard the allegations of Michael Jackson's misdeeds countless times over a long period of time, what they now want to hear is actually reflect on the musical legacy that was left or find out more about what led to the his death in the form of drugs/doctors/etc.

It's pretty tough to compare that to a guy that's gotten good press his entire life and suddenly found himself killed either by or over a woman he stepped outside of his marriage on.

And even beyond that, the rules of behavior with athletes compared to entertainers has never been close to the same. Right or wrong, that certainly ain't gonna change now.

  

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192. "Aint shit disappeared on Fox News"
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They stayin in Jackson's ass like an enema. Actually they been in everyone's ass associated to Jackson's memorial.

  

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169. "i hate how they're doing mcnair, but..."
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we've discussed it AD NAUSEUM about michael through the past 2 decades. the mcnair stuff is new, and while i think it violates his family's privacy, there's a public interest in knowing exactly how and why something as shocking as that goes down, and their relationship seemed to be the missing link in some for or another.

and also, you're comparing how espn treats new allegations when they make a big deal out of everything vs. how the rest of the media treats old allegations of a pop star that all of a sudden everyone loves again. i think the mainstream/entertainment media pays more attention to which way the wind blows than espn (i.e. people give less and less of a shit about steroids everyday, but that doesn't stop espn from vilifying the athletes).

but back to the ad nauseum point, what is there to talk about with michael exactly? you don't think that would be a shitty way to talk about someone after they died when they were never proven guilty of anything. granted they'll do it to O.J., but you don't think that would get overbearing? what is there to say?

  

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173. "he's been goin hard on this MJ thing for 2 weeks, the McNair tie-in is"
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just another convenient way to re-frame it.

  

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i made an initial response to a post about mj's death maybe two or three days after, and yesterday i made a reply in the lesson that apparently hit a little too close to home with warren. other than that i haven't posted on it and don't want to.

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http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

  

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161. "the recounting by the kid is an unsubstantiated rumor, Warren"
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I don't get where B's coming from with his original post but what you posted can't really be used as factual refutation either.

  

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168. "but it's only one of many sources that support"
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that first case being a set up. Even people who investigated it...going in with the idea that Mike was guilty, came out saying that he was innocent and extorted.

My point is that if you aren't seeing this dealt with at all on the mainstream (with the exception of Geraldo Rivera) how can you say Mike is getting softball treatment from the press??

  

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174. "RE: but it's only one of many sources that support"
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>that first case being a set up. Even people who investigated
>it...going in with the idea that Mike was guilty, came out
>saying that he was innocent and extorted.
>
>My point is that if you aren't seeing this dealt with at all
>on the mainstream (with the exception of Geraldo Rivera) how
>can you say Mike is getting softball treatment from the
>press??

I thought the '94 GQ article does a better job of articulating the first case than this fake recant but basically we're on the same side of the MJ thing, because unlike some of the truly deluded cats in the Lesson I saw you acknowledging his clearly flawed/drug-addled behavior while not altogether condemning the dude or discrediting the legacy he left behind.

  

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177. "RE: but it's only one of many sources that support"
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>>that first case being a set up. Even people who
>investigated
>>it...going in with the idea that Mike was guilty, came out
>>saying that he was innocent and extorted.
>>
>>My point is that if you aren't seeing this dealt with at all
>>on the mainstream (with the exception of Geraldo Rivera) how
>>can you say Mike is getting softball treatment from the
>>press??
>
>I thought the '94 GQ article does a better job of articulating
>the first case than this fake recant but basically we're on
>the same side of the MJ thing, because unlike some of the
>truly deluded cats in the Lesson I saw you acknowledging his
>clearly flawed/drug-addled behavior while not altogether
>condemning the dude or discrediting the legacy he left
>behind.

People on drugs do weird shit...lol. That's just how life is. When the real story comes out about the shit Mike was on, and how he was getting it..and from whom....a lot of this other shit is going to make more sense. This man was taken advantage of in a major way..on a very large scale.

  

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178. "my real beef is with the bandwagon mourners"
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no disrespect to the dead. the media coverage of mj and people's reaction to it says something pretty awful about our society. now, you juxtapose that with how awful they're being to mcnair, and it gets me angry all over again.

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182. "Michael Jackson is probably the most famous person on earth"
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>no disrespect to the dead. the media coverage of mj and
>people's reaction to it says something pretty awful about our
>society. now, you juxtapose that with how awful they're being
>to mcnair, and it gets me angry all over again.


so how are you juxtaposing anything comparing him to Steve McNair.

and I will also say that your summation of how these 2 are being treated is completely off base. Michael Jackson and his family is being raveged by Fox News, sports talk radio, by members of congress, and various others who are being placed on other media outlets for balacing purposes ie. Gloria Alred.

For you to say Mike is getting a media pass is totally outrageous.

He's getting love from people because he is the most famous and successful entertainers in history and trailblazed the concept of worldwide notarity and success. He's known and loved all over planet earth.

Where is Steve McNair being dissed?? The sentiment I'm getting is one of this was a good guy who was doing something pretty bad, and it literally blew up in his face. I see people having a lot of sympathy for his family.

I honestly think you are fabricating this difference in treatment to further diss Michael Jackson, and to show people that you feel your opinion on him is more valuable than theirs.

  

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185. "question bshelly:"
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if someone came out right now and accused harry kalas of molesting them as a child, but of course nothing could be proven, how quick would you be to denounce him and the media's positive coverage of his life, while following that up by taking him out of your avi and sig?

  

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196. "http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc173/FrankLongo/lennybuzz.gif"
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http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc173/FrankLongo/lennybuzz.gif

  

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187. "disagree,in fact Ive been pleasantly surprised w/the public & the media"
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>the media coverage of mj and
>people's reaction to it says something pretty awful about our
>society.

I'm not seeing this mass crucifiction of McNair either, I just think the way he died lends itself to salacious reporting until the actual killer is at least revealed & also leads people to consider how much they knew about the dude from a personal perspective to begin with.

Which for me, is not much at all, as opposed to a dude whose life has been basically public domain for 40 of his 50 years on earth.

And again, athletes who are public figures have a different form of expectation than entertainers. It is what it is.

  

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162. "please tell me you don't actually believe that link"
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not that i'm doubting sjsnadteam, but i do believe a more reputable source would have picked it up by now.

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167. "RE: please tell me you don't actually believe that link"
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>not that i'm doubting sjsnadteam, but i do believe a more
>reputable source would have picked it up by now.

why would a more reputable source have picked it up??? It makes for a better story to discredit Michael Jackson... it serves a valuable purpose for people..

People such as yourself can pump up their elitist uninformed opinions regarding how people view Michael Jackson....and how people are treating him after his death. As if people need to ask you or any other White person's approval to mourn someone in a particular way. See...if stories that support Mike being taken advantage of ...particularly in that first case....if those stories were out there in the mainstream media... These uninformed folks with all these opinions would have no grounds to flex their elitist, and yes racist idea that opinions on Michael Jackson are some sort of lithmus test.


Before you comment on others opinion of Michael Jackson, you need to inform yourself, and appreciate how your lack of experience, and frame of reference aren't allowing you to see why people are/were so fond of him.

  

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170. "whatever. i'm done talking about michael jackson"
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175. "you should have never started "
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stick to things you know something about and try to add a little more respectful tone regarding things you DON'T know shit about.

aren't you supposed to a teacher or something??? The "everyone who doesn't see it like me is crazy" strategy doesn't rise to the level of intellectually sound arguments that you are probably capable of B.....

ANY Black person that was the first to do ANYTHING in America suffered consquences for doing so. Those consequences are real to those people and they are real to that particular ethnic group. If you can't understand their view from that perspective, you should honestly save you breath speakin on it.

  

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179. "did it ever occur to you i was mostly talking about my friends?"
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who, you'll be surprised to learn, are white?

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183. "why would that occur to me?? You're posting on a message"
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board....

explain to me how this post you made on the day Michael Jackson is laid to rest....on a board that you do not frequent...should be taken as you talking about your "friends"

"fuck anyone still pretending they're THAT moved by his death"
99.7 percent of you just want to get swept up in a corporate sponsored "pop" culture event. it's no different from you american idol watching fucks.

and if you think you're in the .3 percent, cool and i offer my condolensces. but you're probably lying to yourself.
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my question to you is who the fukk do you think you are to speak on people's motives like this??? Honestly.... I would say the person on the bandwaggon is YOU ...

  

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176. "GOOD!"
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193. "you'rea fucking idiot if you think that's true."
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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197. "to be fair though"
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The media has talked about the alleged child molestation. In the one case where MJ was tried, he was found not guilty. I understand that not guilty doesn't equate to innocent but that was the ruling of the court. Also, you have to understand the impact of MJs music on people around the world. A lot of us grew up on his music but it hasn't stopped all of us from calling it str8 in terms of the allegations leveled against him. We just understand that what he left in terms of a musical legacy. And like we do with most who die we focused on good things he did musically. Trust me, I am disturbed by the allegations & that's also a part of his legacy but I understand that people want to also celebrate his greatness as an artist.


As far as McNair, I don't see the media running him thru the mud at all. They were talking about the fact that he had an affair mostly because that's all most us knew until the investigation determined the course of events.


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191. "here's the CNN swipe with the ruling:"
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/mcnair.shooting/index.html

  

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198. "interesting mcnair theory"
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http://blacksportsonline.com/index/2009/07/who-really-murdered-steve-mcna.html

  

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