Now that I've shaken the cobwebs & for the most part fought this hangover to a draw, I decided to go through each season's ultimately unsatisfying end year-by-year as they apply to Donovan Jamal McNabb:

In 2000 I was just happy to be back in the playoffs after the Ray Rhodes era had come to a grinding halt at the end of the decade, I paid it no mind when Kerry Collins outclassed Donovan in a second-round matchup because of the talent disparity of their respective casts & because he was a first-year starter.

In 2001 despite the fact that the Eagles' near-upset of a juggernaut Rams team in their own stadium ended with a McNabb drive that stalled at the 50, I blamed the loss on Buck & Vincent going down in the first half. We'd improved on the prior year & it still seemed like winning a title was inevitable.

In 2002, the year the Eagles truly were the best team in the league on paper than the Bucs & playing them in the last game, I blamed the loss on Levon Kirkland missing an assignment on the Jurevicious play despite the fact that the game ended when McNabb tossed a pick-six to Ronde Barber that sealed the game.

In 2003 I blamed Todd Pinkston & an uncalled spear hit for the fact that McNabb threw four picks & the Eagles couldn't generate a single touchdown at home in a title game. If McNabb had real receivers, our fate would change & I walked out of the stadium telling everyone that would listen on my way back to the lots that the Fat Man better sign T.O. in the offseason.

In 2004 I tried to gloss over the fact that McNabb had three picks, puked all over the field & ran quite possibly the worst two-minute drill mankind has ever seen because Andy gave up on the run too early & T.O.'s gutty performance was the better story from an Eagle fan perspective.

In 2005 I blamed T.O. & the organization's circus sideshow along with post-Super Bowl lethargy for a season that was sunk long before they shut down McNabb for a sports hernia. I also tried to look the other way when McNabb only started noticeably gimping around directly after he had thrown a pick-six to Roy Williams to end a horrific Monday Night performance versus Dallas.

In 2006 I credited the Eagles' different offensive approach for the fact that the team seemed to play better without Donovan & that his going down again ended up resulting in an improbable playoff run with Jeff Garcia at the helm.

In 2007 as McNabb returned to lead almost the same group to an 8-8 finish, I copped pleas despite possibly our best performance that year being against an undefeated Patriots team with Van Wilder taking snaps.

In 2008, the fact that we needed several miracles to come together on the last day of the season was irrelevant as the team went on an improbable run & even when another game-saving final drive in a conference title game stalled out around the 50 I put the blame on the defense who did start & end the game by giving up 90-yard TD drives. But hey, we had finally found some young receiving talent to put around #5 & things were looking up.

As the 2009 season ends ignominously with two humiliating losses to the most hateable team/fanbase on earth, I'm officially done making excuses for this dude.

He has always been an overly sensitive guy who nuts up at the absolute worst possible time. The Greatest QB In Philadelphia history? Sure. But that's more a commenary on Eagle history than his actual prowess. He's had a very good career but he lacks that last gear that would allow him to make it a great one.

Despite all the other factors (particularly in last night's debacle when no one played well) at some point you gotta actually look at the one constant in this team's postseason failures.

Every truly elite quarterback of this same era (Warner, Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger) found a way to come up with the kind of big drives that result in a championship when things looked their bleakest & the pressure was highest.

Can any Eagle fan with any sense at all really look inward and say that from here on out even if the Eagles address their glaring holes in the offseason, they really believe that Donovan is capable of winning this team their first Super Bowl title? I can't, not with the overwhelming evidence pointing to the opposite.

So let's just get it over with & see what we can get for the dude, even if you have to trade him in the divison to the Skins. If Danny wants to give away picks & we can spend McNabb's 10+ million-dollar salary on other needs than so be it.

He never liked the city & in turn we never really liked him......at least like we do other less calculated & hyper-sensitive stars here (Barkley, AI, Dawkins, JRoll).

Donovan will be remembered more as this decade's Eric Lindros in Philadelphia. Supremely talented but fatefully flawed. Two guys with stage parents & suspect leadership skills whose tenure here will end sourly.

Let that dork dance around in some other tunnel next season. Thanks for the memories, you were mostly a class act who worked hard & provided many great moments, wish you were a little less of a corny pussy but nobody's perfect. Good luck.

i rather get rid of BOTH donovan and reid but that isn't happening
so getting rid of one is better than getting rid of none imo so i'll take what i can get
seeing kurt warner AND aaron fucking rodgers ball like that wit no defensive help makes me not wanna hear any excuses for this shit right now
we'll see what happens i guess
not holding my breath tho

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>Can any Eagle fan with any sense at all really look inward and
>say that from here on out even if the Eagles address their
>glaring holes in the offseason, they really believe that
>Donovan is capable of winning this team their first Super Bowl
>title? I can't, not with the overwhelming evidence pointing to
>the opposite.

as long as Andy Reid and that pass-happy offense remains, I don't care who the QB is, they aren't winning shit.


>Every truly elite quarterback of this same era (Warner, Brady,
>Manning, Roethlisberger) found a way to come up with the kind
>of big drives that result in a championship when things looked
>their bleakest & the pressure was highest.

and every truly elite quarterback has a better coach than Reid who runs a less bullshit offense.

note that when the Steelers ran that bullshit PASS, PASS, PASS nonsense this year w/Arians... they missed the playoffs. AND lost to the Browns. they went what... 2-4 in the division? Their vaunted defense was also shit w/o their respective "GOAT" (Polamalu). But that offense, while it looked pretty, was ass.

Brady? as much as I hate Belicheat, he's better than Reid.

Manning? Dungy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reid.

Warner? He was shit in New York, and shit under Mike Martz (again... pass-happy) but Wisenhunt has turned that shit franchise into something worth talking about. And he looks like a GOAT. With guess what... WRs worth a damn and a god damn running game.


I don't give a fuck how McNabb acts, because I remember Peyton Manning being a total bitch for years. There's even an archived post about that. Tom Brady is a gaping asshole. McNabb being a goof isn't new. Jim McMahon was a goof. But he had a GOAT defense and running game anchoring his team and he had a lights-out coaching squad.

McNabb would have won at least 3 rings with another coach and a better system. Keep telling yourself that he's the problem though.

unless Andy Reid wins a Super Bowl with Kevin Kolb, Van Wilder, or Koy Detmer, this post is peanut butter and jelly.

You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact of the matter is, the West Coast Offense is shit, the Eagles wasted years on that shit, and McNabb wasted his prime years making that POS look good. It wasn't ever going to win in big games because defenses could easily gameplan for it w/o a real running game.

and one is likely to win the Super Bowl this season as the only true 'running' team still playing is the Jets & though I'd love to see Sanchito get his first ring at 23 I don't really see that happening.

well, I guess Baltimore too.

>>Can any Eagle fan with any sense at all really look inward
>and
>>say that from here on out even if the Eagles address their
>>glaring holes in the offseason, they really believe that
>>Donovan is capable of winning this team their first Super
>Bowl
>>title? I can't, not with the overwhelming evidence pointing
>to
>>the opposite.
>
>as long as Andy Reid and that pass-happy offense remains, I
>don't care who the QB is, they aren't winning shit.
>
well that remains to be seen, the bottom line is that the coach ain't going anywhere & it might be interesting to see how the chicken/egg scenario goes without one of them.
>
>>Every truly elite quarterback of this same era (Warner,
>Brady,
>>Manning, Roethlisberger) found a way to come up with the
>kind
>>of big drives that result in a championship when things
>looked
>>their bleakest & the pressure was highest.
>
>and every truly elite quarterback has a better coach than Reid
>who runs a less bullshit offense.
>
>note that when the Steelers ran that bullshit PASS, PASS, PASS
>nonsense this year w/Arians... they missed the playoffs AND
>lost to the Browns. they went what... 2-4 in the division?
>Their vaunted defense was also shit w/o their respective
>"GOAT" (Polamalu). But that offense, while it looked pretty,
>was ass.

I'm not a huge Arians fan myself but it wasn't like he just became the coordinator this year, dude does have a ring from the prior season and on the defensive side of the ball it's pretty hard to overstate Polamalu's importance.

It's funny you bring up Ben though, he's almost like the bizarro version of McNabb: his play actually improves dramatically when placed in a highly pressurized two-minute offense situation.
>
>Brady? as much as I hate Belicheat, he's better than Reid.
>
of course.

>Manning? Dungy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reid.
>
probably, although it is worth noting Andy's teams were beating Dungy's like dogs until he went to coach one of the best quarterbacks of all-time.

>Warner? He was shit in New York, and shit under Mike Martz
>(again... pass-happy) but Wisenhunt has turned that shit
>franchise into something worth talking about. And he looks
>like a GOAT. With guess what... WRs worth a damn and a god
>damn running game.
>
Martz was the coordinator for the Rams' best years, he just bought into his own hype once he got the big gig.

There's also no need to bring Arizona's running game into this, they don't help your case much. Beanie makes them better than they were last year when they went to the Super Bowl essentially without a running game altogether but it's still not their focus.

>
>I don't give a fuck how McNabb acts, because I remember Peyton
>Manning being a total bitch for years. There's even an
>archived post about that. Tom Brady is a gaping asshole.
>McNabb being a goof isn't new. Jim McMahon was a goof. But he
>had a GOAT defense and running game anchoring his team and he
>had a lights-out coaching squad.
>
I don't care about the way he acts either, I think from a personality standpoint he's kind of a tool/cornball type but that's not a major issue for me. I don't really think he displays the leadership qualities of any of the true elite level QBs but that's a different subject.

>McNabb would have won at least 3 rings with another coach and
>a better system. Keep telling yourself that he's the problem
>though.
>
lol, keep telling yourself McNabb would have three titles right now in any scenario.

A lot of the issues McNabb has (bouts of inaccuracy, lack of touch on short passes, lack of accountability, inability to run a two-minute drill, etc) are issues that would exist in any system. As far as the system goes, the fact that he's gotten to play in one system his entire career has I'm sure helped him to some degree even if at times I do wish they had better balance.

>unless Andy Reid wins a Super Bowl with Kevin Kolb, Van
>Wilder, or Koy Detmer, this post is peanut butter and jelly.
>
shouldn't that mean that once Donovan is free from the obviously awful Andy Reid he should g'head and get that ring plus a bust in Canton, right?

>You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact of the matter
>is, the West Coast Offense is shit, the Eagles wasted years on
>that shit, and McNabb wasted his prime years making that POS
>look good. It wasn't ever going to win in big games because
>defenses could easily gameplan for it w/o a real running
>game.
>
Doc, I don't know why you're pretending we had no real running game here ever. This year, sure, once it became clear Westbrook was toast (with early indicators coming last season when Bucky was better than him towards the end of the year). But we had three starting running backs plus a quality fullback on the same team in 2003. Not to mention McNabb used to do some good work with his legs as well early in his career.

As for the 'West Coast Offense', it's hard to quantify even what that is anymore since it's become the offense for half the teams in the league but safe to say certain versions of it have won some chips.

So while overall I agree that Andy's had times where I think our focus has been too pass-happy (not to mention his brain farts in terms of timeout usage, time management, etc) I'm not ready to say that their lack of rushing attempts are the reason they've lost these games.

A lot of these playoff games recently they've failed to execute & had to try to dig out of a hole which skews the numbers more towards passing.

The bottom line is as a longtime fan of this team I could have told you were getting blown out when I saw McNabb on the sideline during Dallas' first drive & then when I saw his first series. You just know those times when he's pressing.

>Doc, I don't know why you're pretending we had no real running
>game here ever. This year, sure, once it became clear
>Westbrook was toast (with early indicators coming last season
>when Bucky was better than him towards the end of the year).
>But we had three starting running backs plus a quality
>fullback on the same team in 2003. Not to mention McNabb used
>to do some good work with his legs as well early in his
>career.

yeah, in 2003. and I'm pretty sure that running game came as a "plan B", not the "A-plan".

Andy never went to the running game as a true balance to the passing game, and you know this.

Chris Collinsworth didn't make that "Eagles fans, here's something you may not recognize, a run" comment out of thin air.


>As for the 'West Coast Offense', it's hard to quantify even
>what that is anymore since it's become the offense for half
>the teams in the league but safe to say certain versions of it
>have won some chips.

yeah, maybe as late as 1994 when the 49ers won their last chip. or whatever the fuck the Rams used in '99. But after that, I'd be hard pressed to call any of the SB winners since then anything resembling the BS pass/run ratio called by the Eagles.


>So while overall I agree that Andy's had times where I think
>our focus has been too pass-happy (not to mention his brain
>farts in terms of timeout usage, time management, etc) I'm not
>ready to say that their lack of rushing attempts are the
>reason they've lost these games.
>
>A lot of these playoff games recently they've failed to
>execute & had to try to dig out of a hole which skews the
>numbers more towards passing.

looking at the last couple of games, I blame the defense more for that, allowing long drives from the opposition which eat the clock and then they'll need to run the pass-pass-pass offense.

>The bottom line is as a longtime fan of this team I could have
>told you were getting blown out when I saw McNabb on the
>sideline during Dallas' first drive & then when I saw his
>first series. You just know those times when he's pressing.

I dunno how he's supposed to look on the sidelines. You can't get decent field position at all, you run a one-dimensional offense, you aren't getting the kind of protection you need to execute the kind of shit that one-dimensional offense requires... I'm surprised he didn't wear the Manning Face.

I'd complain less if the Eagles could execute, but how many fucking 3rd and 8s are you supposed to convert on a defense like the Plowboys of now? they know it's gonna be pass.

Andy does that empty backfield nonsense on first down more often than not, then tries to "run" the ball usually resulting in a 3rd and forever.

on that Vick play they actually called a Weaver run right before. Had they done that shit earlier so they don't start with 2nd and 8+, maybe they would have gotten some of those bullshit passes off.

McNabb did one thing to piss me off last night and that was holding on to the ball so long that it resulted in an intentional grounding call because he scrambled out of the fucking tackle box and then had nowhere to go with the Cowboys D-Linemen in his face.

This post is typical Philly fan bullshit.

giving credence to gay-ass FAGGOT SPM makes it even worse.

chance to be successful if we put the ball into another player's hands, right?

I mean in a lot of instances I agree but that also tells you something about how McNabb has played in the postseason since he's had expectations (essentially 2002 on).

>>Doc, I don't know why you're pretending we had no real
>running
>>game here ever. This year, sure, once it became clear
>>Westbrook was toast (with early indicators coming last
>season
>>when Bucky was better than him towards the end of the year).
>>But we had three starting running backs plus a quality
>>fullback on the same team in 2003. Not to mention McNabb
>used
>>to do some good work with his legs as well early in his
>>career.
>
>yeah, in 2003. and I'm pretty sure that running game came as a
>"plan B", not the "A-plan".
>
>Andy never went to the running game as a true balance to the
>passing game, and you know this.
>
>Chris Collinsworth didn't make that "Eagles fans, here's
>something you may not recognize, a run" comment out of thin
>air.
>
>
>>As for the 'West Coast Offense', it's hard to quantify even
>>what that is anymore since it's become the offense for half
>>the teams in the league but safe to say certain versions of
>it
>>have won some chips.
>
>yeah, maybe as late as 1994 when the 49ers won their last
>chip. or whatever the fuck the Rams used in '99. But after
>that, I'd be hard pressed to call any of the SB winners since
>then anything resembling the BS pass/run ratio called by the
>Eagles.
>
That recent Pats team if they had finished I guess would have been a good example. I wouldn't say that limiting Maroney's carries is what blew that game though.

But there will be a heavy pass-first Super Bowl winner this year or in the very near future, that's just the way the league is trending in no small part due to that 'West Coast Offense' bastardization.

>
>>So while overall I agree that Andy's had times where I think
>>our focus has been too pass-happy (not to mention his brain
>>farts in terms of timeout usage, time management, etc) I'm
>not
>>ready to say that their lack of rushing attempts are the
>>reason they've lost these games.
>>
>>A lot of these playoff games recently they've failed to
>>execute & had to try to dig out of a hole which skews the
>>numbers more towards passing.
>
>looking at the last couple of games, I blame the defense more
>for that, allowing long drives from the opposition which eat
>the clock and then they'll need to run the pass-pass-pass
>offense.
>
We knew the defense was gonna be giving up points, they were the 19th rated defense in the league this year compared to the offense being the third-highest in the league.

but if you're gonna blame the defense for the Cardinal & Cowboy games these past two years, then pretty much every playoff win McNabb or Garcia has had since 2002 can be credited to them as well. In those NFC title game home losses, the defense basically stood on its head aside for one play in each game (Jurevicious, Foster). Bottom line is the quarterback didn't make a single noteworthy play in either game & they generated a collective six points offensively as a result.

The bottom line is they still didn't yield any points in the first quarter while McNabb was out there throwing the ball to nobody & making sure the defense's break wouldn't be long.

In these kind of games, a star quarterback is supposed to if not elevate his level of play & his team then at least not come with a performance that tells you within the first series that 'if we win this game, it will not be because of me'. It does not mean that you have five yards passing over the course of nearly an entire half while your team is in a code-red situation trying to keep things from getting away from them.

>>The bottom line is as a longtime fan of this team I could
>have
>>told you were getting blown out when I saw McNabb on the
>>sideline during Dallas' first drive & then when I saw his
>>first series. You just know those times when he's pressing.
>
>I dunno how he's supposed to look on the sidelines. You can't
>get decent field position at all, you run a one-dimensional
>offense, you aren't getting the kind of protection you need to
>execute the kind of shit that one-dimensional offense
>requires... I'm surprised he didn't wear the Manning Face.
>
Getting a first down here or there might help them improve their field position.

>I'd complain less if the Eagles could execute, but how many
>fucking 3rd and 8s are you supposed to convert on a defense
>like the Plowboys of now? they know it's gonna be pass.
>
>Andy does that empty backfield nonsense on first down more
>often than not, then tries to "run" the ball usually resulting
>in a 3rd and forever.
>
I wouldn't say he does that 'more often than not' as in 51% of the time on first down but I do get annoyed with the fact that you'd go empty backfield ever on first down because you're helping the defense make their decisions for them.

>on that Vick play they actually called a Weaver run right
>before. Had they done that shit earlier so they don't start
>with 2nd and 8+, maybe they would have gotten some of those
>bullshit passes off.
>
What made the Vick play was that the Cowboys were respecting his running ability, something that teams no longer need to do with Donovan......well that & the horrific angle Jenkins took on Maclin.

>McNabb did one thing to piss me off last night and that was
>holding on to the ball so long that it resulted in an
>intentional grounding call because he scrambled out of the
>fucking tackle box and then had nowhere to go with the Cowboys
>D-Linemen in his face.
>
that was awful.

>This post is typical Philly fan bullshit.
>
I wish it wasn't pretty much all true with a couple extras on it.

he ends up in an Eagle-like situation again and it'll be the same old stuff. The kind of thing that even the best QBs can't overcome. Even Big Ben couldn't make it out of the muck when faced with a similar situation this year.

>I mean in a lot of instances I agree but that also tells you
>something about how McNabb has played in the postseason since
>he's had expectations (essentially 2002 on).

2002 was a total team let down. McNabb didn't play terribly great that game, but having watched scenes from it again in recent months, I stand firm that the outcome that game is mostly on Andy Reid -- his lack of in-game adjustments bite the Eagles every time in the end.

>That recent Pats team if they had finished I guess would have
>been a good example. I wouldn't say that limiting Maroney's
>carries is what blew that game though.

yeah, if they had finished. But we know what happened there. It wasn't so much the lack of running, but the one-dimensional play. The Giants also got a chance to play that team twice, which is what many others would not have done.

>But there will be a heavy pass-first Super Bowl winner this
>year or in the very near future, that's just the way the
>league is trending in no small part due to that 'West Coast
>Offense' bastardization.

Still, not with the insane degree and laughable attention given the run that the Eagles do. When the Eagles can pull off a real "play action" pass and have defenses get fooled by it, then I'll change my tune.

>We knew the defense was gonna be giving up points, they were
>the 19th rated defense in the league this year compared to the
>offense being the third-highest in the league.

yeah, but it wasn't just the points that were the problem, it was the time of possession. The only punts came off Cowboy pre-snap fuckups and holding calls rather than the defense making a crucial stop on 3rd down. The Cowboys took 10 000 years to get down field, and even w/o points, it was a ton of time off the clock.

>but if you're gonna blame the defense for the Cardinal &
>Cowboy games these past two years, then pretty much every
>playoff win McNabb or Garcia has had since 2002 can be
>credited to them as well. In those NFC title game home losses,
>the defense basically stood on its head aside for one play in
>each game (Jurevicious, Foster). Bottom line is the
>quarterback didn't make a single noteworthy play in either
>game & they generated a collective six points offensively as a
>result.

in 2008, the defense most certainly carried the Eagles through the playoffs. I wouldn't say that McNabb's play was exemplary, but I was thinking at the very least he was having a "Peyton Manning '06" performance. Enough not to fuck it up. The defense keeping the Giants to 11 points, and the Vikings to a comparatively low score suddenly decides to let the Cards get away with 90 yard drives? PB&J.

2003, your first gut reaction was correct. Pinkston would have been the first one I would have called out.

>In these kind of games, a star quarterback is supposed to if
>not elevate his level of play & his team then at least not
>come with a performance that tells you within the first series
>that 'if we win this game, it will not be because of me'. It
>does not mean that you have five yards passing over the course
>of nearly an entire half while your team is in a code-red
>situation trying to keep things from getting away from them.

well, that's fine and good, but I don't see any QB doing any of that
when your team is getting no kind of help from the defense or otherwise. This is the kind of idealism that I just don't think makes any kind of sense when these kind of arguments come up. It's also the main reason I am quick to bite SPM's head off when he starts yapping that BS.

>I wouldn't say he does that 'more often than not' as in 51% of
>the time on first down but I do get annoyed with the fact that
>you'd go empty backfield ever on first down because you're
>helping the defense make their decisions for them.

and yet, Andy Reid continues to call for it.

>What made the Vick play was that the Cowboys were respecting
>his running ability, something that teams no longer need to do
>with Donovan......well that & the horrific angle Jenkins took
>on Maclin.

it was also a rare example of the Eagles using the "expected" to their advantage rather than running something that was easily sniffed out.

Sad thing that it took a one-year rental of Michael Vick for them to finally do something like that.

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the offense was supposed to be this team's strength this go-round because we already knew the defense's issues. Meanwhile McNabb didn't complete a single positive play of consequence while the game was still in question. That's not good enough from the third-highest scoring offense in the league. McNabb went seven quarters without generating a single point in the two biggest games of the season before he tossed a garbage-time TD to DeSean when they were down four touchdowns with 6 minutes to go.

Ball hawk create turnover scoring defense.

Those are the teams who won with GREAT defense and COACHING.

Andy Reid handicaps your stupid ass argument.

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We could and should have beaten that Tampa team, Reid was outcoached by a guy was flat out pissed off by the number of times we had whipped the Bucs' ass. They also held Hugh Douglas on every down and McNabb did his usual big game reversal (throwing low early, where he threw a great pass to break the game open during the year throwing a pick six).

The defense was more than adequate later, too, there were years when it was down but overall it was the strength of the team up until 2004 when the offense was just amazing (and even then it was GOOD).

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

TEAMS and McNABB gets the blame.

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and McNabb failed to generate a touchdown in both games combined, much like he failed to generate a touchdown in these past two Cowboy debacles aside from a worthless fourth-quarter score down 30 points yesterday.

So you can keep copping pleas and pretend this guy is a truly great quarterback on par with the greats of this era or you can face the fact that the guy hasn't made a Pro Bowl in the past six years or been a major difference maker in the postseason since 2001.

I'm over it. They can try to get something for him now or they can wait for him struggle in a big spot again next year & watch him walk for nothing. Either way, sorry to say the bottom line is he ain't ever winning shit at this point.

that ANDY GOT OUT COACHED?

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my work is done here & you will not be missed, unfortunately you'll probably just move the goalposts again.

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Hey Hey...easy on those Owls

Brilliant!

>Hey Hey...easy on those Owls
>
>

not to poast jack but hell yeah it was...i mean we can dump on St Joes all we want...but easy on TUFB haha

Brilliant!

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It's fine if Dono's too sensitive to be there anymore, I don't give a shit, trade him, get picks... but to act like Donovan is the chief reason for the Eagles' postseason failures is ludicrous.

Unless you get the next Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in the draft, it's gonna be the same ol', if not worse.

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offense
never said shit about it being unbalanced
he toe'd the company line like a hoe
and now it may come back to bite him in the ass
i mean brian westbrook use to come out all the time and say he wanted the ball more
if donovan voiced an opinion contrary to andy reids at least we could say well donovan never was comfortable in that offense
but u can't enjoy the stats it gives u and the accolades then when u fuck up blame the same system that helped u succeed

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is moot since the majority of the city hates andy reids system too
and national media STAY joking about how 1 sided it is

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blame the same system that got you all this success, when you lose.
blame the same quarterback that got you all this success, when you lose.

i mean its philly, what do you expect? a superbowl title?

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he's never even a reason for our failure.

but he also never makes a difference. he never helps the team transcend its limitations. he never, ever makes a big play in a big game.

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>he never, ever makes a big play in a big game.

it doesn't win the game often because of some disastrous shit that follows afterward, but he has numerous examples, first of all in the SB:

after those fucking picks, and the urban legend about him puking all over the field in the SB (it came after he got the shit knocked out of him dropping back to pass after Reid abandoned the run) ... he threw a fucking TD bomb to Greg Lewis with under 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter of the SB to bring it within a field goal.

the Eagles fucked up on the 2 minute drill (I blame Reid for that shit) but that was a big play if I ever saw one.

this is almost jambonic in its ignorance of the facts (i.e. how that dillweed continually defends Steve McNair yet his WR was stopped at the 1, giving a certain someone's favorite team their lone SB victory).

4th and 26?! that game was the end of the Eagles playoff run if he doesn't hit Freddie Mitchell on that shit.

I can't think of a single big game where they lost the game because of something he himself fucked up. and I think it's more to do w/Reid's way of playing than Donovan himself.

that he doesn't do something to "overcome bad coaching" (� Vick) isn't ideal but I don't fault him for it.

where you said, damn, that guy is one of the best players on the field.

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last year I think he was average, but so were the Eagles.

02 was fine until that pick.

03 was ass, but he wasn't even supposed to fucking play in the game.

2004 I think he was pretty much on the money until the SB, where he reverted back to average (which would have been fine if Reid fucking ran the ball more to keep the Pats honest). that TD had erased the shit he had done earlier, only to be undone by the Andy Reid classic BS.

05, 06, 07 were years he didn't play in the playoffs.

I think most of the shit play would have been undone with a more balanced offensive game. It always catches up to Reid when teams have time to game plan and gamble (even though it wasn't much of one) against his shit.

he's very rarely been bad, but he's never been a positive difference maker.

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this post is bullshit. Orbit laid out the whole truth in this post, more eloquently than I could have without throwing in a bunch of expletives.

I wrote this post because at the end of a decade bookmarked by Donovan McNabb-led playoff losses it seemed like a good time as any to actually review the body of work thus far......I also wanted a more sober & less angry counterpoint to my drunk ranting from last evening.

Sorry if the 'very good but not great' truthiness inside it along with me pointing out how I always gave him passes despite his inability to be a difference maker in a big spot since 2001 is upsetting to you.

At this point I don't personally believe Donovan will win a title anywhere ever, so with that in mind, I think it would behoove them to see what they can get for a guy that's probably gone regardless or re-signed to what's sure to be a bad contract after next season.

Again, the problem in Philly right now & bigger than McNabb but I also don't think he can lead a team to a championship.
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a) He is, without hesitation, the best QB that any Eagles
fan has ever had the pleasure of watching

b) He has never come up supreme in the clutch and is largely
ineffectual in the most important games of his life.

c) He also rarely, if ever plays outright awful in the clutch,
and has never been the *reason* his team lost a big game.

This is an important point. He hasn't been as good OR as bad as
Peyton Manning in the playoffs. Payton Manning single handedly
lost games for the Colts. You can't say the same for McNabb.
His mediocrity is almost always on the backdrop of team mediocrity.
You can say "he doesn't raise the level of everyone around him."
That'd be a fair criticism. But you cannot, ever, say that McNabb
was the reason they lost a game. You can say that for Peyton Manning.
And you can say that *TODAY* about Tom Brady.


I'm not sure what the fuck the big deal is.


To be honest, the Eagles teams were never really that
fucking good, save the one that lost to the Pats, and note
that the Pats beat the Juggernaut Rams <--no shame, at all,
in that.


They are always *wildly* flawed. As in *major league* flawed.


They do a good job of looking good enough to get Philadelphia
fans hyped enough to shit on McNabb after the season.

Dude's no Joe Montana.

But he's one of the 25 best ever, easily.

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he's been a very good quarterback for a very long time but I'm about ready to move on because I've long since seen what I need to see & we might still be able to get something for him rather than just let him walk at the end of the next season or even worse pay him another big contract that extends into his true decline.

But for your record your years are off, while 2004 might have been their best year in terms of talent they still weren't the best team in the league that year...the Pats were.

2002, however, the Eagles over the course of the season were the best team in the league.

They had the best record in the league while being the only team to be a top five level team on offense & defense (#4 & #2 respectively despite playing five games without McNabb in which they coincidentally went undefeated) and having a great special teams unit.

This is why they were playing at home versus the Bucs that year & favored by near double-digits. The bottom line is if Donovan McNabb doesn't get outplayed by Brad Johnson (with a BMitch punt return/Staley run accounting for their only TD) & throw a game-ending pick six while attempting to tie the game late, he's already got a ring by his third year as a full-time starter & maybe his career takes a completely different less debated-about course.

But he couldn't do that. As Shells mentioned, he just hasn't been difference-maker quality in big games since 2001 when he went to Chicago & broke his hometown's collective heart.

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and will root for them to fail AT ANY COST.

that changes not the fact that you are a cockslurping, typical Philly fan assmonger FAGGOT.

Faggot.

go lick the eyeliner off bdawks painted face
shit him and mcfagg are available now
bwhahahahahaha

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I was sure they were going to win the SB. Then the Ronde INT happened.

>2002, however, the Eagles over the course of the season
>were the best team in the league.

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out-of-towners talk out of both sides of their mouth, laughing that he can't get it done in the clutch but calling eagles fans ungrateful and naive when they point out the same thing and want to get rid of him.

as for eagles fans, regardless of whether you want to keep him or let him go, you always feel awful, because the conversation about donovan is never a good conversation. people want to get rid of him, if they're honest, feel awful about wanting to dump a guy who has done so much good for the franchise. people who want to keep him, if they're honest, have to acknowledge that their boy has never raised his game in a big spot and probably won't.

and all of us, when having the d conversation, have to relive each and every playoff loss.

ugh. this sucks.

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>out-of-towners talk out of both sides of their mouth,
>laughing that he can't get it done in the clutch but calling
>eagles fans ungrateful and naive when they point out the same
>thing and want to get rid of him.
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this drives me crazy, Giants and Redskin fans in my experience are the worst with this.

>as for eagles fans, regardless of whether you want to keep him
>or let him go, you always feel awful, because the conversation
>about donovan is never a good conversation. people want to
>get rid of him, if they're honest, feel awful about wanting to
>dump a guy who has done so much good for the franchise.
>people who want to keep him, if they're honest, have to
>acknowledge that their boy has never raised his game in a big
>spot and probably won't.
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pretty much, athough I've reached the point where I'm not too conflicted about it.

>and all of us, when having the d conversation, have to relive
>each and every playoff loss.
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>ugh. this sucks.

Is the road game in 01 against the Bears not a big spot?

How about the first nfc east title eagles had against the Giants in the final week of the 01 season on a final drive to win is that not a big spot?

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i'm sad cause i know donovan would NEVER make the throws in the 4th quarter that Rodgers and Warner made
smh if donovan was the GB quarterback the score wouldve been 45-14 and he wouldve blamed it on the defense

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please?

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