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"Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far"


  

          

and it ain't even close. It's time to recognize and give credit where credit is due.

He's been underrated for a long damn time. The national media routinely rates him as a second-tier QB, a star but not elite. Stupid fans have booed him since he was drafted, and criticize him for the most ridiculous things. Around Philly, it seems like we hear more about his flaws and mistakes than his skills and successes.

He's the best quarterback in Eagles history, and that is something that really can't even be disputed. He's the least intercepted QB in NFL history. He has a higher winning percentage (regular season & playoffs) than damn near every other QB in the league. He doesn't have the yards and TD stats that someone like Peyton Manning does, but he has only played with an elite receiver once in his career. If he had Marvin Harrison his whole career his numbers would be just as crazy.

The truth is, he wins a hell of a lot of games and has always put up good numbers. And as far as him being a guy that chokes, Peyton Manning chokes WAY more than Donovan ever has, but somehow, he seems to escape criticism for it. A lot of other QB's don't get criticized for stuff that he does. There's a double standard. If Donovan had a year like Brett Farve did in 05 or 06, or lost as much as Tony Romo has in the playoffs, he'd probably be gone by now.

I'm just sick and tired of the bullshit, the worst of which come from the Eagles fans that criticized his aforementioned interception percentage by saying it's because he throws so many passes too high or in the dirt, and other shit like that. Too many fans are ignorant and ungrateful, and it really pisses me off. I don't know what pisses me off more, the dumb fans, the lack of respect and double standards, or the the fact that the Eagles never got him a good WR for the vast majority of his career.

I'll be glad, though, when the Eagles win a chip and everyone shuts the fuck up.

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Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent.
Jan 11th 2009
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RE: Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent...
Jan 11th 2009
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RE: Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent...
Jan 12th 2009
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RE: Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent...
Jan 12th 2009
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      Manning has a bunch of weapons.
Jan 12th 2009
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      RE: Manning has a bunch of weapons.
Jan 12th 2009
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      Contrary to belief, the Colts played good in playoff games,
Jan 18th 2009
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           I know that better than anybody; speaking in the general sense
Jan 18th 2009
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           manning has played scared and bitchlike in EVERY
Jan 18th 2009
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      Yep Brady before Moss and Welker and Cory Dillon.
Jan 18th 2009
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He just missed out on 4000 yards passing this year
Jan 11th 2009
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da clincher will be if/when he wins the damn SB
Jan 11th 2009
4
Cosign on all of that
Jan 11th 2009
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I agree
Jan 11th 2009
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RE: Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far
Jan 11th 2009
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I've never understood why he didn't get more love.
Jan 11th 2009
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uh
Jan 11th 2009
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^^^ mad ^^^
Jan 11th 2009
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all true
Jan 11th 2009
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RE: all true
Jan 12th 2009
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      yeah, Brees better
Jan 12th 2009
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C'mon folk, he's had mediocre WR's and an iffy run game
Jan 11th 2009
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I keep saying McNabb is 3rd best behind Brady/Manning
Jan 11th 2009
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one thing tho, if they throw 60% of the time y r his INTs #s so low?
Jan 12th 2009
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do u watch eagles games?
Jan 12th 2009
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      RE: do u watch eagles games?
Jan 12th 2009
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      RE: do u watch eagles games?
Jan 18th 2009
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Your post game done fell waaaay off, doggy.
Jan 12th 2009
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ain't nobody reading all that bullshit nigga. take yo agenda pumping
Jan 12th 2009
28
We don't see eye to eye on everything
Jan 16th 2009
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You've painted yourself into a tight corner, brotha
Jan 12th 2009
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Any way you look at it though, he still underrated
Jan 12th 2009
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thank you
Jan 12th 2009
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Darnell Autry, Charles Johnson, Torrance Small
Jan 12th 2009
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and the NFC was a steaming pile of elephant shit back then
Jan 12th 2009
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best team in the nfl in 2000 was RAMS, nfc team.
Jan 12th 2009
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      can u comprehend words muhfucker?
Jan 12th 2009
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Looking at those names makes me wanna punch somebody in the face.
Jan 12th 2009
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*starts passing out even more late passes*
Jan 12th 2009
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BLACK
Jan 12th 2009
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he black
Jan 12th 2009
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postshouldaendedrighthere...postshouldaendedrighthere...
Jan 13th 2010
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So what about those previous post asking for him to be traded?
Jan 12th 2009
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I must admit. I was on that bandwagon....
Jan 12th 2009
24
Its not all of Philly and to be honest
Jan 12th 2009
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up until this point he pretty much nutted up every big game he had
Jan 12th 2009
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cosign
Jan 12th 2009
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Bullshit and here is the proof
Jan 12th 2009
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      So basically you just copping pleas
Jan 12th 2009
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           Don't forget the Carolina game he played with broken ribs
Jan 12th 2009
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           Nope just stating facts the Eagles are the only team
Jan 12th 2009
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How many WORM BALLs did he throw yesterday?
Jan 12th 2009
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About 1/10th as many as Eli threw
Jan 12th 2009
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      Thats a different story
Jan 12th 2009
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           don't argue wit that al sharpton ass nigga
Jan 12th 2009
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           He refuses to take chances on his recievers because they aren't
Jan 12th 2009
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                the tapes show that wr were open even in his early years
Jan 12th 2009
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                     RE: the tapes show that wr were open even in his early years
Jan 12th 2009
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                          nobody said they were better
Jan 12th 2009
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                               Given the quality of his recievers over the years your point
Jan 12th 2009
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                                    they were open, they were open
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         What's your point? You don't seem to have a substantial point.
Jan 12th 2009
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his opponent for next week OWNS this poast...
Jan 12th 2009
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they dont hear you Cyren
Jan 12th 2009
43
Who's the pro bowl talent besides a gimpy Westbrook?
Jan 12th 2009
45
He's not going to answer you, because there is no sensible answer.
Jan 12th 2009
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      y'all showin' your ignorance...
Jan 12th 2009
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           RE: y'all showin' your ignorance...
Jan 12th 2009
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           This would make sense if 2004 was McNabb's ONLY season.
Jan 12th 2009
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                nope...
Jan 12th 2009
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                     I didn't even catch that you said he's been underachieving the last 5 yr...
Jan 12th 2009
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                     5 yrs? try 10...
Jan 12th 2009
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                          Sometimes things work out like that my man
Jan 12th 2009
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                               nah, holmes...
Jan 14th 2009
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                     Well I do think there is still room for him to improve, but that
Jan 12th 2009
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                     RE: nope...
Jan 18th 2009
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Names???
Jan 12th 2009
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I'm waiting to hear the names too.
Jan 12th 2009
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      basically the entire Offensive line
Jan 12th 2009
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           RE: basically the entire Offensive line
Jan 12th 2009
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                lmao!..
Jan 12th 2009
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                     chuckneal is just another Eagles apologist
Jan 12th 2009
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                     Am I?
Jan 12th 2009
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                     RE: lmao!..
Jan 12th 2009
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                     dude, just stop...
Jan 12th 2009
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                          You're trying too hard to say nothing
Jan 12th 2009
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                     RE: lmao!..
Jan 12th 2009
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                          ^^more ignorance^^
Jan 12th 2009
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                          You are full of shit man, lol...#5 is 9-5 in the playofss when it really...
Jan 12th 2009
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                          cmon, there's no need to lie on the offensive line this decade
Jan 12th 2009
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                          Regardless, Cyren is talkin some silly shit
Jan 12th 2009
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                          RE: Regardless, Cyren is talkin some silly shit
Jan 12th 2009
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                          I dont know, they have had a good pro bowler here and there
Jan 12th 2009
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                               RE: I dont know, they have had a good pro bowler here and there
Jan 12th 2009
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                          if/when you EVAR decide to stop coppin' pleas...
Jan 12th 2009
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                               I'll address the facts easily
Jan 12th 2009
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                                    that check out boy...
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         RE: that check out boy...
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                          ^^^ blind spots everywherre ^^^
Jan 12th 2009
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                               readin' is fundamental...
Jan 14th 2009
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                                    Roethlisberger 9-21 123 yds 2 interceptions. yep.
Jan 16th 2009
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                                    RE: readin' is fundamental...
Jan 18th 2009
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                                         foh...
Jan 19th 2009
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                          The numbers:
Jan 12th 2009
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                               Thanks for posting that
Jan 12th 2009
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                                    I dont agree with your sentiment that mcnabb had no help
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         The Brady factor
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         The point is that those NFC championships that were lost
Jan 12th 2009
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                                              Not showing up? mofo please
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                   Plus 4th and 26 in the third
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                   The Eagles never lost a big game because of Mcnabb?
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                        Dude I aint making excuses cuz he black...u just said he aint show up
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                             dog anytime you throw 3 ints as a qb you did in fact choak
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                  That shit just means you lost
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                  you gotta be shitting me
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       No my point is that the Eagles were only -1 or -2 in turnovers
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       it's -1
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       It aint Lame, QB's throw picks...
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       and when they throw a lot of them in big games, it's called choking
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       How about accepting he had to throw 51 got damn times
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       RE: No my point is that the Eagles were only +1 or +2 in turnovers
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       RE: No my point is that the Eagles were only +1 or +2 in turnovers
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       RE: No my point is that the Eagles were only -1 or -2 in turnovers
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       Dog you clearly didn't watch these games you just looking
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                  This is hyperbole
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                       He is the FUCKING QUARTERBACK
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                            Hyperbole
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                                                                            incredible
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                            You don't read well
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                            RE: He is the FUCKING QUARTERBACK
Jan 12th 2009
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                                                                            300 yards is one of the most overvalued & useless stats in football
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         Brady also played in a very balanced attack
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         Mcnabb isn't Tom Brady. I can accept that, lol. Brady accomplishments
Jan 12th 2009
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                                         McNabb's in good company..Steve Young lost 3 NFC Championships also
Jan 12th 2009
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The same Kurt Warner that was being mentioned as a MVP this year?
Jan 12th 2009
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^^SO PROPHETIC!!^^
Jan 18th 2009
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RE: Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far
Jan 12th 2009
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I'm just glad he continues to remain even keeled no matter what.
Jan 12th 2009
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it's cuz he's black, on some real shit
Jan 12th 2009
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more like most overrated...
Jan 12th 2009
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You don't know what the hell you're talking about
Jan 12th 2009
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RE: more like most overrated...
Jan 12th 2009
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Cosign all that
Jan 12th 2009
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This ain't rap music nigga we don't go by those wack ass poor
Jan 12th 2009
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I get what you're saying....
Jan 12th 2009
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I'm always glad to see him win
Jan 12th 2009
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Man, Eagles fans seem so split on this issue that
Jan 12th 2009
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McNabb 400 yards 4 tds 0 Interceptions and an Eagles loss
Jan 12th 2009
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I could live with that..
Jan 12th 2009
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Donovan been ethered Eagles fans though.
Jan 12th 2009
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      sticky ricky iz what they called him...
Jan 12th 2009
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      Really, thats who all Eagles fans wanted?? I know I loved the pick
Jan 12th 2009
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           it was Angelo Cataldi chartering a party bus w/a teamster's union in tow
Jan 14th 2009
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Why would anyone want to play for you Philly fans?
Jan 12th 2009
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Seriously, yall need to chill with this talk and stop watching ESPN
Jan 12th 2009
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bullshit, this pussy
Jan 12th 2009
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You've got Manning/Brady, then you've got McNabb. is and has been
Jan 15th 2009
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You know what if Eagles win a superbowl this year I would put him
Jan 16th 2009
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      He is pretty cemented at #3 but it's a tier thing
Jan 16th 2009
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Wait - if you put P.Manning on any Eagles team....
Jan 16th 2009
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Hmmm, actually an interesting question
Jan 16th 2009
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      LOL.
Jan 18th 2009
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      you're entitled to your opinion
Jan 19th 2009
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      Manning would of gotten creamed if he played for the Eagles.
Jan 18th 2009
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           and that ring was DESPITE manning
Jan 18th 2009
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I tried to tell these retards......
Jan 16th 2009
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He is the most trashed QB in the NFL by far ...
Jan 16th 2009
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he's the best eagle quarterback ever, period
Jan 16th 2009
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      ehh...
Jan 18th 2009
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           RE: ehh...
Jan 18th 2009
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           no one has worn 12 for a while now
Jan 19th 2009
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the amount of stupidity in this post is tremendous
Jan 16th 2009
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lol @ this ENTIRE thread...
Jan 18th 2009
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you beat me to it...lol
Jan 18th 2009
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AHAHHHH (C) Jadakiss
Jan 18th 2009
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Not so fast my friend (c) Lee Corso
Jan 18th 2009
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a-HA! (c) comin' to america...
Jan 18th 2009
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(Link) don't play yourself
Jan 19th 2009
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LOL. Mcnabb's receivers suck. LOL.
Jan 18th 2009
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basically
Jan 18th 2009
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It wasn't CUrtis Fault, It was McNabbs for throwing a pass into his han...
Jan 18th 2009
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Underrated and a born loser.
Jan 18th 2009
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He Better than Tony.
Jan 18th 2009
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I feel bad for Andy doe.
Jan 18th 2009
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RE: I feel bad for Andy doe.
Jan 18th 2009
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nope
Jan 18th 2009
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Whuh??!?! Why???
Jan 18th 2009
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Why?! Andy's the fuckin problem...& I ain't even a Philly fan
Jan 19th 2009
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Donovan did a poor job covering Fitzgerald
Jan 18th 2009
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RE: Donovan did a poor job covering Fitzgerald
Jan 18th 2009
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media on that bull
Jan 18th 2009
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^^^^^^^
Jan 18th 2009
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Eli didn't have to Cover Moss last yr.......cause he lead his team down
Jan 18th 2009
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RE: Eli didn't have to Cover Moss last yr.......cause he lead his team d...
Jan 18th 2009
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      he won't have an answer for this.
Jan 18th 2009
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Not only that, it was McNabb's fault for not going for the 2 point
Jan 18th 2009
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Every QB misses some throw, but Don missed too many easy throws
Jan 18th 2009
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RE: Every QB misses some throw, but Don missed too many easy throws
Jan 18th 2009
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Read the first line of the actual post...i put blame on the wr's
Jan 18th 2009
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He got them the lead in the 4th
Jan 18th 2009
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^sees it
Jan 18th 2009
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^^TRUTH^^
Jan 18th 2009
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Is it cool if I do a Westbrook post?
Jan 18th 2009
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wait for it...
Jan 18th 2009
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exactly....finally someone else w/o an agenda on OKP lol
Jan 18th 2009
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Agreed. If Donovan makes those throws in the first half the Eagles
Jan 18th 2009
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yesterday he missed some guys and didn't take advantage of time
Jan 19th 2009
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RE: Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far
Jan 18th 2009
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McDumbass has to depend on his defense for a winning drive?
Jan 18th 2009
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Why don't you be a Chi or Min fan, cuz you suck as an Eagles fan
Jan 18th 2009
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Show some sympathy, I have McNabb as my QB.
Jan 18th 2009
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      Sympathy? You want Kolb or something? Stop being a dumbass.
Jan 19th 2009
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So Kolb is better? Kevin Kolb wins us a Superbowl?
Jan 19th 2009
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White QB's w/shitty resumes get more love/less criticism
Jan 18th 2009
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remember when cats were saying Jake Delhomme
Jan 19th 2009
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he is Peyton Manning without Addai, Rhodes and Harrison.
Jan 18th 2009
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Addai and Rhodes > Westbrook?
Jan 18th 2009
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i know right,lol
Jan 18th 2009
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      housenigga please, you were shitting on Westbrook for years
Jan 18th 2009
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           westbrook IS mr. glass but he's better then Mcfagg
Jan 18th 2009
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                yeah, and that's why your sig says, and The Doc quotes
Jan 18th 2009
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                     is my sig wrong?
Jan 18th 2009
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                          all that bitch-ass nigga ever did for the Eagles
Jan 19th 2009
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^^more truth^^
Jan 18th 2009
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RE: ^^more truth^^
Jan 18th 2009
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I agree to that too.
Jan 18th 2009
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c'mon... take a step back
Jan 18th 2009
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      lol
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      bwahahahhaa
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      RE: c'mon... take a step back
Jan 18th 2009
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      I hope your team trades for McNabb
Jan 18th 2009
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           RE: I hope your team trades for McNabb
Jan 18th 2009
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                for 100 mil he is supposed to be the part of the team
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                     RE: for 100 mil he is supposed to be the part of the team
Jan 18th 2009
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                          u dont watch Eagle games
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                               RE: u dont watch Eagle games
Jan 19th 2009
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      this sounds like southphillyman/steakhead nonsense.
Jan 18th 2009
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           u got so many pleas it ain't even funny. in the BIGGEST game of
Jan 18th 2009
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           point to where The Doc copped a plea....
Jan 18th 2009
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           Wait, hol' up!!!
Jan 19th 2009
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           i hate Peyton so you dont have to convince me
Jan 18th 2009
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                RE: i hate Peyton so you dont have to convince me
Jan 18th 2009
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                I dont get y someone would like an inaccurate QB
Jan 18th 2009
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                     RE: I dont get y someone would like an inaccurate QB
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                          the team is built wrong... it's built around him
Jan 18th 2009
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                               RE: the team is built wrong... it's built around him
Jan 18th 2009
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                               RE: the team is built wrong... it's built around him
Jan 19th 2009
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                                    and there's always an "If..." with McNabb
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                blame Lurie, not McNabb
Jan 18th 2009
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                     I blame Lurie on down
Jan 18th 2009
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                          yup the 4 horsemen, imo
Jan 18th 2009
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                               ^^^^ playing a game of "who can reach around furthest"
Jan 18th 2009
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That nigga looked like a fat Common at the press conference
Jan 19th 2009
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dam
Jan 19th 2009
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The haters in this post prove my point
Jan 19th 2009
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The truth lies in the middle.
Jan 19th 2009
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is he?
Jan 11th 2010
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Damn!!! I was on point
Jan 11th 2010
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Faggot.
Jan 11th 2010
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Damn, that's a year-old L pussy
Jan 11th 2010
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ground hog day?
Jan 11th 2010
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since you fags upped it, I will comment further
Jan 13th 2010
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Props Doc...Fight the good fight.
Jan 13th 2010
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U have no concept of separating blame
Jan 13th 2010
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you're still a faggy-ass faggot. cry about it, bitch
Jan 14th 2010
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Hey Hey Hey!!!!
Jan 14th 2010
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      it was a backhanded compliment
Jan 14th 2010
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           Fair enough (sorta)
Jan 14th 2010
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How many Top 10 QBs' jobs are in jeopardy? Of course he's underrated.
Jan 13th 2010
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In this city it works perfectly...
Jan 13th 2010
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Shit, fix your defense and run game and McNabb will be fine.
Jan 13th 2010
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      It's over. Trust me.
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           I feel bad for the guy. I hope he gets a better system next year.
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                I don't. I'm a fan of his.. LOL
Jan 13th 2010
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what category is Donovan McNabb Top 10 in currently? Lemme know.
Jan 13th 2010
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      Yards per game? Even if he's Top 15... who in the Top 15 is in jeopardy?
Jan 13th 2010
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           lol, none of those comparisons matter at all
Jan 13th 2010
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                Would you not at least concede that...
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                sure but by that token there's really no comparable situation, right?
Jan 13th 2010
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                     It's not I don't understand why you want to try something new...
Jan 14th 2010
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                McNabb would be fucking sick in Denver.
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                     cool, tell em give us those two #1s they got from Chi & it's done
Jan 13th 2010
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                          done. I'm on the phone.
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                               appreciate it
Jan 13th 2010
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                                    least i can do.
Jan 13th 2010
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Orbit_Established
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1. "Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent."
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He had an elite wide receiver for *one* season. And not
even that whole season.

And Brian Westbrook is great, but is a gimp.



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2. "RE: Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent..."
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>He had an elite wide receiver for *one* season. And not
>even that whole season.
>
>And Brian Westbrook is great, but is a gimp.
>
>


real talk....^^^^^....and I'm a Bears fan....

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33. "RE: Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent..."
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>He had an elite wide receiver for *one* season. And not
>even that whole season.
>
>And Brian Westbrook is great, but is a gimp.

well said, orbit.

and if there is a top10-12 qb out there that has played with the talent (or lack of) that mcnabb has, you'd be hearing about how he made something out of nothing, similar to people talking about marino having no running game to support his passing, or how elway always had to do everything himself and will the broncos to wins.

you never hear that about mcnabb, never.

and that's a shame.

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Beamer6178
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94. "RE: Can't think of a top 10-12 QB all-time who played with *less* talent..."
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>He had an elite wide receiver for *one* season. And not
>even that whole season.
>
>And Brian Westbrook is great, but is a gimp.

only tom brady (before randy moss and welker showed up), which is why he was the only QB i gave a nod over mcnabb too. manning? not even CLOSE, that system was built for him, let mcnabb get HALF that much goodness and we're done here.

  

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103. "Manning has a bunch of weapons."
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>only tom brady (before randy moss and welker showed up), which
>is why he was the only QB i gave a nod over mcnabb too.
>manning? not even CLOSE, that system was built for him, let
>mcnabb get HALF that much goodness and we're done here.

but it's not purely equitable from a wins standpoint because McNabb has always had a very good defense.

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128. "RE: Manning has a bunch of weapons."
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>>only tom brady (before randy moss and welker showed up),
>which
>>is why he was the only QB i gave a nod over mcnabb too.
>>manning? not even CLOSE, that system was built for him, let
>>mcnabb get HALF that much goodness and we're done here.
>
>but it's not purely equitable from a wins standpoint because
>McNabb has always had a very good defense.

right, but when looking at the colts playoff failures, most FAIR analysis will say that even with a less than lights out defense, their offense MANY MANY times failed to show up. i think against the patriots when they lost and the steelers, the defense played more than well enough to win, but the offense totally shit the bed. because he runs the offense and because so much money is on the offense, i apportion more blame to him.

mcnabb is the primary reason the eagles as a whole haven't resembled the ravens (all D, little to no O) outside of their super bowl year, and no defense he's had with them was as good as the 2000 ravens.

i just look at one year with ME-O and how he went apeshit with a 31-7 season, and am certain with a more durable running game (this could even be a guy like derrick ward to share the load with westbrook and do more of the traditional running) and better receivers he'd have won one by now, even tho ronde DID take his lunch in 2003.

  

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174. "Contrary to belief, the Colts played good in playoff games,"
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it was the offense that couldn't put up points.

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196. "I know that better than anybody; speaking in the general sense"
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223. "manning has played scared and bitchlike in EVERY"
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colts playoff loss, except this latest one.

  

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171. "Yep Brady before Moss and Welker and Cory Dillon."
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3. "He just missed out on 4000 yards passing this year"
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4. "da clincher will be if/when he wins the damn SB"
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Look at the free passes Farve gets chucking a record # of picks and how folks reminise of the 2 SB trips & one SB win. I'm blessed to see mcnabb at his best and he's so worthy of winning it all. The fans bitching on w.i.p owes this man an appology if he pulls this shit off. At the end of the day it's about the rings (ask marino & tarkenton) and lets hope that the phillies autumn swagger is still rubbed into the byrds mentals.

  

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5. "Cosign on all of that"
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>Look at the free passes Farve gets chucking a record # of
>picks and how folks reminise of the 2 SB trips & one SB win.
>I'm blessed to see mcnabb at his best and he's so worthy of
>winning it all. The fans bitching on w.i.p owes this man an
>appology if he pulls this shit off. At the end of the day
>it's about the rings (ask marino & tarkenton) and lets hope
>that the phillies autumn swagger is still rubbed into the
>byrds mentals.

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6. "I agree"
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a lot of it is cism then the fact that he doesn't play games with the media or give them a story to create and a lot of philly is funny wanting to know someones entire life story and color of their underwear plus wanting an over emo loud mouth guy which Donovan ain't.

It ain't a Qb above him in the last ten yrs not named Brady or P Manning.(And P Manning chokes hard).

Lord let I hope the Eagles win the superbowl and he can tell the media in philly to kiss the crack of his ass.

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7. "RE: Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far"
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Yup and he proved it today. You take away Eli's top receiver he's average. The year McNabb had an elite receiver dude had a career year. Even without an elite receiver, he's been an All- Pro and to the NFC championship 3 times.

  

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8. "I've never understood why he didn't get more love."
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9. "uh"
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who ever said McFagg is not a upper tier QB?
the QBs in this league are so shitty McFagg is top tier by default
u got Peyton, Brady, Brees,etc
then u got the 2nd tier of McFagg, Eli, Palmer, Rivers,etc
that top tier is prolly HOF locks
the 2nd tier not so much but still very good
as far as the faults , they are all legit
mcfagg chokes just as much as peyton if not more since he doesn't have a SB ring
i mean u can blame it on him not having receivers but he just sat there quietly and accepted the slop that Reid gave him.so thats what he gets for being a company man
and having no receivers didn't stop Brady from winning SB in a tougher conference, so FOH wit that argument anyway
but i think most of the complaints against mcfagg are legit
and the eagles getting to the conference championship doesn't negate any of that
shit they already been here 4 times anyway
mcFagg still is not a clutch QB
he still makes horrible throws , regardless of who the receivers are
and his numbers are swayed by the fact his offense throws damn near 60% of the time and alot of his yards over his career have been from long screen where he basically just dumped the ball off in the backfield and the back took the shit from there

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^^^ but relentless with it, so props regardless ^^^

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11. "all true"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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39. "RE: all true"
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So Brees is better than McNabb? I love Brees, but with all the talent around him (Bush, Colston, Deuce, Pierre Thomas), what the fuck has he done? He's basically Peyton without the wins and playoff appearances.

  

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132. "yeah, Brees better"
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and the only talent is Colston

Deuce old and shitty. Pierre Thomas...who?
And (I think) Bush isnt being done any favors by the way Peyton uses him. Martz would have a fuckin field day with him.

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12. "C'mon folk, he's had mediocre WR's and an iffy run game"
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Even with Pats they ran the ball when Brady didnt have a great WR crew. Reid had McNabb passing the ball 60% of the time with a bunch of #2 and #3 WR's. It's easy to for a defense to shut you down and McNabb still prevailed more times than not.

Also, the Eagles did a great job of protecting McNabb...this year. Them other years, shameful. GO back and look at that pitiful performance against the Giants last year when they gave up like what, 12 sacks? The Pats NEVER let Brady get touched like that. The Colts NEVER get touched like that. And what does Philly tell McNabb to do? Go run around some more.

It aint just the lack of WR's throught the years but the lack of a consistent running game since 2003 and iffy line blocking through the years. I gurauntee you that you put McNabb on the Pats or Colts he would have similar success as Brady or Manning.

And for all them chokes you claim, how many times McNabb single handly won the game by himself, especially in the early years.
And dude never accepted shitty recievers, he's been asking Reid for more playmakers.



>who ever said McFagg is not a upper tier QB?
>the QBs in this league are so shitty McFagg is top tier by
>default
>u got Peyton, Brady, Brees,etc
>then u got the 2nd tier of McFagg, Eli, Palmer, Rivers,etc
>that top tier is prolly HOF locks
>the 2nd tier not so much but still very good
>as far as the faults , they are all legit
>mcfagg chokes just as much as peyton if not more since he
>doesn't have a SB ring
>i mean u can blame it on him not having receivers but he just
>sat there quietly and accepted the slop that Reid gave him.so
>thats what he gets for being a company man
>and having no receivers didn't stop Brady from winning SB in a
>tougher conference, so FOH wit that argument anyway
>but i think most of the complaints against mcfagg are legit
>and the eagles getting to the conference championship doesn't
>negate any of that
>shit they already been here 4 times anyway
>mcFagg still is not a clutch QB
>he still makes horrible throws , regardless of who the
>receivers are
>and his numbers are swayed by the fact his offense throws damn
>near 60% of the time and alot of his yards over his career
>have been from long screen where he basically just dumped the
>ball off in the backfield and the back took the shit from
>there
>

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13. "I keep saying McNabb is 3rd best behind Brady/Manning"
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Brees has a lot of weapons everywhere he's been but can't play great in a big game to save his life.

  

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14. "one thing tho, if they throw 60% of the time y r his INTs #s so low?"
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16. "do u watch eagles games?"
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they throw alot but he ain't like brees (who also throws a ton) going down the field and shit
it's hard to throw ints in the backfield
or on 10 yard routes
couple that with his erratic throws , either WAY high or WAY low, and u get a passer who frustrates fans but the numbers still look good
i think if mcnabb had good WR his entire career his INT numbers would be way different cause he would be taking more risk wit the ball
but throwing 15 yr outs to LJ smith and brad celek ain't exactly that risky a throw

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44. "RE: do u watch eagles games?"
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>they throw alot but he ain't like brees (who also throws a
>ton) going down the field and shit

It makes sense to throw down field wen you have receivers who can get open and spread the field (Colston, Lance Moore, Devery Henderson)

>it's hard to throw ints in the backfield
>or on 10 yard routes

1/4 of Brees' completions went to RB's and that would have been more had Bush been healthy. Bush was their seconnf leading reciver last year with 20 more catches than their #2 receiver.

>couple that with his erratic throws , either WAY high or WAY
>low, and u get a passer who frustrates fans but the numbers
>still look good
>i think if mcnabb had good WR his entire career his INT
>numbers would be way different cause he would be taking more
>risk

You're right, but I guarantee his TD's and yardage numbers would be different (higher) also. Just look at the year he had when TO was there.

  

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206. "RE: do u watch eagles games?"
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>they throw alot but he ain't like brees (who also throws a
>ton) going down the field and shit
>it's hard to throw ints in the backfield
>or on 10 yard routes
>couple that with his erratic throws , either WAY high or WAY
>low, and u get a passer who frustrates fans but the numbers
>still look good



Uh bruh...he aint got no receivers to throw to...lol


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18. "Your post game done fell waaaay off, doggy."
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>who ever said McFagg is not a upper tier QB?
>the QBs in this league are so shitty McFagg is top tier by
>default

3 of the top 8-10 QBs to ever play the game currently
play in the NFL. This era is as loaded with great QBs
as many other eras. You just being stupid now.

>u got Peyton, Brady, Brees,etc
>then u got the 2nd tier of McFagg, Eli, Palmer, Rivers,etc
>that top tier is prolly HOF locks

LOL. McNabb is certainly going to the HOF

>the 2nd tier not so much but still very good
>as far as the faults , they are all legit
>mcfagg chokes just as much as peyton if not more since he
>doesn't have a SB ring

Yep, and McNabb hasn't ever been in a lineup with
two pro bowl wide receivers and a pro bowl caliber
running back. Payton was losing even *with* studs in
his lineup. And in the Superbowl it was the
running backs and defense that did it for him.

>i mean u can blame it on him not having receivers but he just
>sat there quietly and accepted the slop that Reid gave him.so
>thats what he gets for being a company man

Oh, so basically him not being a whiny bitch is his
fault, and so we can blame his playing with no talent
on him.

Awesome.


>and having no receivers didn't stop Brady from winning SB in a
>tougher conference, so FOH wit that argument anyway

Wrong, you're mistaking the lack of superstars on those
Patriot teams for a lack of talent.

Brady had a collection of cookie-cutter, but very
good wide receivers. All sure handed. All good route
runners. That's far more than can be said for Mcnabb.


>but i think most of the complaints against mcfagg are legit
>and the eagles getting to the conference championship doesn't
>negate any of that

Actually, it does. In the face of adversity McNabb led
that team back to the point where they are the team no
one wants to face.

>shit they already been here 4 times anyway
>mcFagg still is not a clutch QB

Odd how how he marched down the field against the Giants,
on the road in the second half.

In the clutch.

But maybe that wasn't McNabb I was watching today.

>he still makes horrible throws , regardless of who the
>receivers are

And he still makes excellent throws that are dropped,
and still can't find anyone open half the time because
his receivers act like good route-running is illegal.

>and his numbers are swayed by the fact his offense throws damn
>near 60% of the time and alot of his yards over his career
>have been from long screen where he basically just dumped the
>ball off in the backfield and the back took the shit from
>there

LOL.

a)Odd how you didn't mention this for Drew Brees, whose
system inflates his numbers more than any QB in the LEAGUE.
Not to mention all his interceptions.

b)McNabb has to throw dumpoffs and screens half the time
because he has guys named Todd Pinkston flanked out wide for
most of his career. His receivers have been awful, cannot get
open, and have terrible hands when they do get open.


Seriously, you done jumped the shark recently.

Terrible posting.

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28. "ain't nobody reading all that bullshit nigga. take yo agenda pumping"
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153. "We don't see eye to eye on everything"
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>>who ever said McFagg is not a upper tier QB?
>>the QBs in this league are so shitty McFagg is top tier by
>>default
>
>3 of the top 8-10 QBs to ever play the game currently
>play in the NFL. This era is as loaded with great QBs
>as many other eras. You just being stupid now.
>
>>u got Peyton, Brady, Brees,etc
>>then u got the 2nd tier of McFagg, Eli, Palmer, Rivers,etc
>>that top tier is prolly HOF locks
>
>LOL. McNabb is certainly going to the HOF
>
>>the 2nd tier not so much but still very good
>>as far as the faults , they are all legit
>>mcfagg chokes just as much as peyton if not more since he
>>doesn't have a SB ring
>
>Yep, and McNabb hasn't ever been in a lineup with
>two pro bowl wide receivers and a pro bowl caliber
>running back. Payton was losing even *with* studs in
>his lineup. And in the Superbowl it was the
>running backs and defense that did it for him.
>
>>i mean u can blame it on him not having receivers but he
>just
>>sat there quietly and accepted the slop that Reid gave
>him.so
>>thats what he gets for being a company man
>
>Oh, so basically him not being a whiny bitch is his
>fault, and so we can blame his playing with no talent
>on him.
>
>Awesome.
>
>
>>and having no receivers didn't stop Brady from winning SB in
>a
>>tougher conference, so FOH wit that argument anyway
>
>Wrong, you're mistaking the lack of superstars on those
>Patriot teams for a lack of talent.
>
>Brady had a collection of cookie-cutter, but very
>good wide receivers. All sure handed. All good route
>runners. That's far more than can be said for Mcnabb.
>
>
>>but i think most of the complaints against mcfagg are legit
>>and the eagles getting to the conference championship
>doesn't
>>negate any of that
>
>Actually, it does. In the face of adversity McNabb led
>that team back to the point where they are the team no
>one wants to face.
>
>>shit they already been here 4 times anyway
>>mcFagg still is not a clutch QB
>
>Odd how how he marched down the field against the Giants,
>on the road in the second half.
>
>In the clutch.
>
>But maybe that wasn't McNabb I was watching today.
>
>>he still makes horrible throws , regardless of who the
>>receivers are
>
>And he still makes excellent throws that are dropped,
>and still can't find anyone open half the time because
>his receivers act like good route-running is illegal.
>
>>and his numbers are swayed by the fact his offense throws
>damn
>>near 60% of the time and alot of his yards over his career
>>have been from long screen where he basically just dumped
>the
>>ball off in the backfield and the back took the shit from
>>there
>
>LOL.
>
>a)Odd how you didn't mention this for Drew Brees, whose
>system inflates his numbers more than any QB in the LEAGUE.
>Not to mention all his interceptions.
>
>b)McNabb has to throw dumpoffs and screens half the time
>because he has guys named Todd Pinkston flanked out wide for
>most of his career. His receivers have been awful, cannot get
>
>open, and have terrible hands when they do get open.
>
>
>Seriously, you done jumped the shark recently.
>
>Terrible posting.
But dammit if you didn't say EVERYTHING I would have on this one. Nothing more for me to say.

  

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60. "You've painted yourself into a tight corner, brotha"
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Being mad about the Philadelphia Eagles about to win a Super Bowl is not a good look, particularly when you look at the Cowboys by comparison.

It's time to come home. We forgive you and we still have love for ya.

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138. "Any way you look at it though, he still underrated"
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I don't understand how you from Philly and hate on the Eagles like you do. It's just disgraceful.

I'm gonna love it though when McNabb wins the Super Bowl and holds up that MVP trophy, and you and all the other ridiculous haters won't have anything to say.

You say he chokes and throws bad passes, as if other QB's never have. The point is, McNabb is not flawless, but no one else is either, and he gets criticized far more than he ever should, while his counterparts escape those same criticism and get a hell of a lot more praise then him, thus making him underrated.

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140. "thank you"
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15. "Darnell Autry, Charles Johnson, Torrance Small"
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^^^ these guys were STARTERS on the team he took to the playoffs in his first season as a starter. It amazes me to this day.

  

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17. "and the NFC was a steaming pile of elephant shit back then"
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i mean i give him props with making due with what he had
but the eagles essentially sucking the last 4 yrs is a direct result of the NFC not being complete ass anymore

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20. "best team in the nfl in 2000 was RAMS, nfc team."
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that was McNabb's 1st season in the playoffs...and they won a game. But u don't use logic & facts.



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30. "can u comprehend words muhfucker?"
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yall niggas making me MAD wit this fucking dumb shit
did i comment on which conference had the best team?
NO pussy
i said the NFC was a piece of shit
and it WAS
i don't give a fuck who had the best team in the league, foh
pistons was the best team in the nba a couple yrs ago
the east was still a piece of shit
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38. "Looking at those names makes me wanna punch somebody in the face."
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19. "*starts passing out even more late passes*"
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21. "BLACK"
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22. "he black"
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261. "postshouldaendedrighthere...postshouldaendedrighthere..."
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23. "So what about those previous post asking for him to be traded?"
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We are just going to forget that now?

you city of philly fans are on that bullshit.

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24. "I must admit. I was on that bandwagon...."
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Especially after the Bengals game. There were definitely some games this season that McNabb could have won but didn't. It didn't even look like he was playing with any fire at that point in the season.

  

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34. "Its not all of Philly and to be honest"
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I want McNabb to win and say fuck yall especially to the media here in Philly.

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25. "up until this point he pretty much nutted up every big game he had"
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that the only reason he was shitted on

But don always been included as an elite qb
i aint never heard him listed as a 2nd tier

sometimes i think yall be kinda on that scott templeton
when it comes to these black qb posts

  

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32. "cosign"
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35. "Bullshit and here is the proof"
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When eagles went to the playoffs for the first time in McNabb's NFL career he won a playoff game that is a big game and he won.

The first time Eagles won the NFC EAST it was against the REIGNING NFC CHAMPION Giants who McNabb led from behind in the 4th quarter twice and won.(IT WAS THE SEASON FINALE btw)

In the season of 2002-2003 McNabb had 5 4quarter come from behind wins.

In the 2003 NFC divisional game against the Packers McNabb willed his horrible Brian Westbrookless team from behind for a 4th quarter drive to tie and a ot drive to win.

If you want to bring up the 3 championship games he lost lets take a look.

Against the Rams Buckhalter who was killing goes down Eagles have no running game he throws a interception with the likes of Freddie Mitchell Todd Pinkston James Thrash and Torrence Smalls 3 of four are out of the league.

Against the Bucs it was his worst showing but everyone knew this was gonna be a defensive game and dude came back from a broken ankle against the best defense in the league. They should have won put that on Andy then McNabb.

Against Carolina the game that made Ricky Manning Jr's career it was clear andy couldn't pick wrs and every one of his recievers were beat on their routes for passes thus the three interceptions.

Superbowl is the game people try to blame on McNabb but I don't know many chokers who throw 30 yard tds to GREG "CRICKET" LEWIS with 3 mins left in the 4th quarter. McNabb threw 3 interceptions the last one was with 20 secs to go and was deflected off the hands of the L.J. Smith his other two interceptions were bad however McNabb was under constant pressure and made great throws.

Now this game magnified the inept coaching where eagles threw 51 times and only ran 14 times. Eagles could not stop the screen pass against the Patriots and had their blitz exposed when Brady would fake hike and call out protection.

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37. "So basically you just copping pleas"
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>When eagles went to the playoffs for the first time in
>McNabb's NFL career he won a playoff game that is a big game
>and he won.

Ok and..

>
>The first time Eagles won the NFC EAST it was against the
>REIGNING NFC CHAMPION Giants who McNabb led from behind in the
>4th quarter twice and won.(IT WAS THE SEASON FINALE btw)

ok but whio gives a shit if you dont do it in the Playoffs?
>
>In the season of 2002-2003 McNabb had 5 4quarter come from
>behind wins.

ok
>
>In the 2003 NFC divisional game against the Packers McNabb
>willed his horrible Brian Westbrookless team from behind for a
>4th quarter drive to tie and a ot drive to win.

doesnt fucking matter if you nutt up the next game
>
>If you want to bring up the 3 championship games he lost lets
>take a look.
>
>Against the Rams Buckhalter who was killing goes down Eagles
>have no running game he throws a interception with the likes
>of Freddie Mitchell Todd Pinkston James Thrash and Torrence
>Smalls 3 of four are out of the league.

But he DID throw the int right?
>
>Against the Bucs it was his worst showing but everyone knew
>this was gonna be a defensive game and dude came back from a
>broken ankle against the best defense in the league. They
>should have won put that on Andy then McNabb.

smh

>
>Against Carolina the game that made Ricky Manning Jr's career
>it was clear andy couldn't pick wrs and every one of his
>recievers were beat on their routes for passes thus the three
>interceptions.

THREE PICKS is THREE PICKS

>
>Superbowl is the game people try to blame on McNabb but I
>don't know many chokers who throw 30 yard tds to GREG
>"CRICKET" LEWIS with 3 mins left in the 4th quarter. McNabb
>threw 3 interceptions the last one was with 20 secs to go and
>was deflected off the hands of the L.J. Smith his other two
>interceptions were bad however McNabb was under constant
>pressure and made great throws.

THREE PICKS ARE THREE PICKS either way
had he NOT thrown 3 picks Eagles win PERIOD
That pick in the end zone was an EASY throw to B west that he nutted up

>
>Now this game magnified the inept coaching where eagles threw
>51 times and only ran 14 times. Eagles could not stop the
>screen pass against the Patriots and had their blitz exposed
>when Brady would fake hike and call out protection.

doesnt fucking matter Mcnabb played poorly and it costed thm the game

  

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61. "Don't forget the Carolina game he played with broken ribs"
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And people still talked shit.

  

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75. "Nope just stating facts the Eagles are the only team"
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in the history of big teams that have a annual chance of winning where the coaching is clearly lacking the only other I can think of in my history of watching sports was the Broncos and that was the pre shanahan days.

Its easy to point the finger at McNabb but to say he chokes in big games is a complete fallacy.

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26. "How many WORM BALLs did he throw yesterday?"
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Thats what its all about. The unforced errors. If he cut those out I would have no problem with him.

If Andy ran the damn ball and drafted players who are the correct size for their position, I would have no problem with him.

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27. "About 1/10th as many as Eli threw"
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And one of those picks was a complete fluke

And its odd how Donovan's interception numbers
*never* back up the "Donovan makes bad throws*
argument. Never. He's actually one of the better
QBs in terms of throwing picks.

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29. "Thats a different story"
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He just refused to take a chance on a receiver if they were not wide open. You get less picks but you also miss on chances. He's the opposite of Brett Favre.


I'm talking about him throwing to ground and they are open. He had two big 3rd downs were he had pressure and hit the receiver in stride or in the numbers, the Avant and Correll first downs. Normally he will rush and gun it 5 yards short.

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31. "don't argue wit that al sharpton ass nigga"
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he will defend any black ass nigga out there (cept for AI)
he OBVIOUSLY don't watch eagles games if he calling mcnabb 'accurate'
them stats ain't telling the whole story
mcfagg is a fucking WORM KILLER

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36. "He refuses to take chances on his recievers because they aren't"
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>He just refused to take a chance on a receiver if they were
>not wide open. You get less picks but you also miss on
>chances. He's the opposite of Brett Favre.
>
>
>I'm talking about him throwing to ground and they are open. He
>had two big 3rd downs were he had pressure and hit the
>receiver in stride or in the numbers, the Avant and Correll
>first downs. Normally he will rush and gun it 5 yards short.

very good. A quarterback of his caliber should have a Burress caliber big target, with the rookie (Desean) as his #2 and Curtis as his #3.
Think of all the bums he's had to throw to over the years, it's pretty ridiculous. I was gonna start naming names, but I would get infuriated just looking at them.
He's definitely prone to mental lapses, that's why he's never been the #1 QB in the league. However he has been a top tier QB since he donned an Eagles uniform.



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41. "the tapes show that wr were open even in his early years"
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and by his own admission he is trusting his receivers and giving them a chance this season.

When the backup QBs came in over the years, they hit the wr more often the Donovan. Donovan would only throw to the rb or Chad Lewis. Look at the stats when the backups came in. To assume that no one is open just cause the QB didnt throw the ball is reckless. Your at home and see the see the receiver past 5 yards from scrimmage. The game tape however would show that wr were open. You can blame NFL matchup, Jaws, Greg Cosell, and Brian Balldinger for pointing that out.

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47. "RE: the tapes show that wr were open even in his early years"
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>and by his own admission he is trusting his receivers and
>giving them a chance this season.
>
>When the backup QBs came in over the years, they hit the wr
>more often the Donovan. Donovan would only throw to the rb or
>Chad Lewis. Look at the stats when the backups came in. To
>assume that no one is open just cause the QB didnt throw the
>ball is reckless. Your at home and see the see the receiver
>past 5 yards from scrimmage. The game tape however would show
>that wr were open. You can blame NFL matchup, Jaws, Greg
>Cosell, and Brian Balldinger for pointing that out.


Yeah lets look at the stats. What's Donovan's win-loss record over the years? How many Pro-Bowl receiving threats has he had during his career? What are all those backups you speak of doing right now? Why aren't any of his backups starting? The backup (who many had hoped to be his successor) who played this season stunk up the joint.
"Over the years" Lmao. You have to be more specific than that.

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73. "nobody said they were better"
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i just said that you cant assume that just cause McNabb didnt throw the ball that wr were not open.


Stay on message homie

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82. "Given the quality of his recievers over the years your point"
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>i just said that you cant assume that just cause McNabb didnt
>throw the ball that wr were not open.
>
>
>Stay on message homie

appears to be negligible. Obviously his backups haven't outplayed him, we have established that. So who cares if they were more willing to throw to subpar receivers? What type of overall success did they have running the team?
The fact is, Donovan has had many mediocre WR's over the years, so he's not willing to take as many chances with them downfield. That sounds like good decision making. I would have loved to see Todd Pinkston come back to the huddle complaining about not getting the ball.
Logic would tell you that Donovan is more comfortable now, because NOW he has two legit receivers out there (but still no #1 target I might add).

All that analysis your watching or hearing might SOUND smart, but it doesn't measure up to what you learn actually watching the Eagles play over the years.

Have you guys been watching the Olympics?
Sean Price: Nah. I ain’t with that shit. I see the clips, man. But every time I turn…
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101. "they were open, they were open"
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whats your problem?

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123. "What's your point? You don't seem to have a substantial point."
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>whats your problem?

He plays it relatively safe until he trusts his receivers. Ok. And? Is that a bad thing? It seems as though its worked out well for him thus far given the talent he's working with.

Have you guys been watching the Olympics?
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40. "his opponent for next week OWNS this poast..."
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..and i'm tired of cats talkin' down about the "lack of talent" around him

you might've had a decent argument earlier in his career, but this fool's been playin' with pro bowl talent for the past 5 years (and the defense has ALWAYS been prime)

as far as i'm concerned, with the exception of this recent run, he's been an underachiever...

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43. "they dont hear you Cyren"
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everyone just wanna get their Jesse Jackson on
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45. "Who's the pro bowl talent besides a gimpy Westbrook?"
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Who? T.O. for one year?

Who else...LJ Smith? Kevin Curtis who was the 3rd-4th option for the Rams? Reggie Brown? Donte Stollworh who is always injured and has all bit disappeared in Cleveland?

Who is the pro bowl level playmakers?

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49. "He's not going to answer you, because there is no sensible answer."
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>Who? T.O. for one year?
>
>Who else...LJ Smith? Kevin Curtis who was the 3rd-4th option
>for the Rams? Reggie Brown? Donte Stollworh who is always
>injured and has all bit disappeared in Cleveland?
>
>Who is the pro bowl level playmakers?

We have a rookie, who is probably a legit #2 receiver. We have an injury prone Westbrook. We have Curtis, who is a good #3rd receiver. We don't have a #1 option. We don't have an every down power running back.

Have you guys been watching the Olympics?
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Rock: Word, the Clipse performing there?
Sean Price: No, the clips on TV.
Rock: My bad. Fuck.

  

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55. "y'all showin' your ignorance..."
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..that offensive line has been stout for most of mcnabb's career

yes, the obvious answer is t.o., esp since t.o. showed up BIGTIME in the biggest game of the mcnabb's career (so far), only to have DONOVAN choke (willie BEEEEAMEN)

westbrook has basically been the 2nd comin' of faulk in just about every category

not to mention a defense with a LONG LIST of pro bowlers...


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78. "RE: y'all showin' your ignorance..."
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>..that offensive line has been stout for most of mcnabb's
>career

Most of his career but McNabbs skill complimented them buying time or running with no one open down field.

>yes, the obvious answer is t.o., esp since t.o. showed up
>BIGTIME in the biggest game of the mcnabb's career (so far),
>only to have DONOVAN choke (willie BEEEEAMEN)

Is It a choke when you score a td with 3 mins to go in the 4th quarter and you get sacked 4 times pressured over a dozen and throw the ball 51 times while running 12-14 times against the best defense in FOOTBALL?

>westbrook has basically been the 2nd comin' of faulk in just
>about every category

Yea except for his coach isn't as creative with him as Martz and em was with Faulk.

>not to mention a defense with a LONG LIST of pro bowlers...

Actually the defense to a step back while the offense took two steps forward during the superbowl year and it shows in the follow years when they couldn't stop the run. GOD KNOWS if they could stop the run in the 05-06 season people are hailing JEFF GARCIA the greates QB ever cause Saints held the ball for 8 mins of the 4th quarter to win the game. The Defense is getting back to the 02 01 era where you can count on them to give up a max 14 points and that is GREAT.


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86. "This would make sense if 2004 was McNabb's ONLY season."
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>..that offensive line has been stout for most of mcnabb's
>career
>
>yes, the obvious answer is t.o., esp since t.o. showed up
>BIGTIME in the biggest game of the mcnabb's career (so far),
>only to have DONOVAN choke (willie BEEEEAMEN)
>
>westbrook has basically been the 2nd comin' of faulk in just
>about every category
>
>not to mention a defense with a LONG LIST of pro bowlers...
>
>
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>..and miles to go before i sleep...

The year he had a really good team, he went to the Super Bowl.
Now did he underperform in said Super Bowl? Yes. Does that mean he isn't one of the best QB's of his time? No.

I don't even know how you brought Kurt Warner into this, he definitely wasn't playing with bums when he won his chip.

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99. "nope..."
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..he's been underachievin' for most of his career, and only in 2004 did the mainstream media FINALLY admit it

*and warner was brought into the poast because nobody gave him OR the cards a shot in HELL at the playoffs, let alone the superbowl...


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104. "I didn't even catch that you said he's been underachieving the last 5 yr..."
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dog, he's been injured 3 of the last five years. So in 04-05 he takes us to a super bowl and this year to the NFC championship. Those were his only 2 full seasons with the squad. Wow, you said some stupid ass shit.

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126. "5 yrs? try 10..."
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..does that mean he sucks?

no

you can't talk about a guy like mcnabb who has all the intangibles (arm strength, IQ, size) and NOT mention the fact that he's not exactly livin' up to his OWN standards

but show me another qb with THIS much talent (his own) that has YET to win it all?

give them owens, stallworth, westbrook, and that defense and you'll be hard pressed to prove they don't win it all...


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127. "Sometimes things work out like that my man"
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Charles Barkley, Dan Marino, etc.. It happens. The 04 Eagles went up against a better team. Simple as that. The year Manning finally won one he took a back seat to team defense and a running game. It wasn't his skill/ability that won them the chip - it was a complete team effort.

>give them owens, stallworth, westbrook, and that defense and
>you'll be hard pressed to prove they don't win it all...

You make it seem like he had all the above at once. When he had stallworth he was hurt, so really Garcia had stallworth. Westbrook was hurt on 03. Again, he only played a full season with one true number 1 wideout - T.O. This is the best defense he's played with and we're seeing what the team is accomplishing.

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142. "nah, holmes..."
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>Charles Barkley, Dan Marino, etc.. It happens. The 04 Eagles
>went up against a better team. Simple as that. The year
>Manning finally won one he took a back seat to team defense
>and a running game. It wasn't his skill/ability that won them
>the chip - it was a complete team effort.

marino NEVER had a running game to compliment/balance the aerial attack, and the defense was average at best.

manning one because they FINALLY found balance on both sides of the ball. he didn't take a backseat, its just that the defense gained attention because prior to that it was non-existent.

you're right about barkley (and everyone else subjected to the "jordan rules")

>You make it seem like he had all the above at once. When he
>had stallworth he was hurt, so really Garcia had stallworth.
>Westbrook was hurt on 03. Again, he only played a full season
>with one true number 1 wideout - T.O. This is the best defense
>he's played with and we're seeing what the team is
>accomplishing.

every team in the league suffers injuries. those that can endure and find the heart to push forward are champions...


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125. "Well I do think there is still room for him to improve, but that"
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>..he's been underachievin' for most of his career, and only
>in 2004 did the mainstream media FINALLY admit it
>
>*and warner was brought into the poast because nobody gave him
>OR the cards a shot in HELL at the playoffs, let alone the
>superbowl...
>
>
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certainly doesn't translate to "underachieving for most of his career". All the rest of the stuff your talking about sounds pretty ridiculous, but if your main point is that he can be even better I'm not willing to go back and forth on that.

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207. "RE: nope..."
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>..he's been underachievin' for most of his career, and only
>in 2004 did the mainstream media FINALLY admit it



hahahahahaha....wtf???



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48. "Names???"
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what pro bowlers? at the skill positions? Westbrook and....and.....???

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53. "basically the entire Offensive line"
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the TE is always top 3-5 in the NFC
and the TE is major part of WCO
the RB has always been all pro caliber even before westbrook he had duce staley
the ONLY weakness in the offense was the WR
and the scheme is short low risk passes, so u basically need possession receivers which is exactly what he has had
they just rarely have had 'big play' receivers
like i said brady won 3 SBs wit basically the same caliber receivers

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56. "RE: basically the entire Offensive line"
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He throws to the offensive line? He was talkin about weapons - not protection.

>the TE is always top 3-5 in the NFC

LJ can't catch a cold smith? lol.

>the RB has always been all pro caliber even before westbrook
>he had duce staley

Everybody gave you Westbrook. Staley was a long time ago fam.

>the ONLY weakness in the offense was the WR
>and the scheme is short low risk passes, so u basically need
>possession receivers which is exactly what he has had
>they just rarely have had 'big play' receivers
>like i said brady won 3 SBs wit basically the same caliber
>receivers

Play calling my good man. The Patriots were always a balanced offense until last year and what happened? They lost in the super bowl. Reid has always been a pass happy coach with average ass wide outs. It won't work - I don't care who the qb is. He finally understood that you have to balance out the playcalling and play a possession game - which he did every one of those last 5 regular season games except the one LOSS against washington. I don't know if this is just your gay ass okp persona that use to get the attention of other men (gay) but either way it's dumb.

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58. "lmao!.."
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>He throws to the offensive line? He was talkin about weapons
>- not protection.

i LOVE how you're gonna tell him what i was referrin' to, yet you're not ME (lol)

that offensive line is the REASON mcnabb's been playin' for a decade (relatively healthy)

>Everybody gave you Westbrook. Staley was a long time ago fam.

duce was a part of the mcnabb era, and one of the reasons i said he's underachievin'

>>the ONLY weakness in the offense was the WR
>>and the scheme is short low risk passes, so u basically need
>>possession receivers which is exactly what he has had
>>they just rarely have had 'big play' receivers
>>like i said brady won 3 SBs wit basically the same caliber
>>receivers
>
>Play calling my good man. The Patriots were always a balanced
>offense until last year and what happened? They lost in the
>super bowl. Reid has always been a pass happy coach with
>average ass wide outs. It won't work - I don't care who the qb
>is. He finally understood that you have to balance out the
>playcalling and play a possession game - which he did every
>one of those last 5 regular season games except the one LOSS
>against washington. I don't know if this is just your gay ass
>okp persona that use to get the attention of other men (gay)
>but either way it's dumb.

while andy reid certainly shoulders the load of bein' an idiot play caller, mcnabb is the man out their throwin' int's, throwin' up on the field in the biggest game of his career, and bein' called out by his OWN teammates for NOT bein' much of a leader...


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59. "chuckneal is just another Eagles apologist"
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64. "Am I?"
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63. "RE: lmao!.."
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>>He throws to the offensive line? He was talkin about
>weapons
>>- not protection.
>
>i LOVE how you're gonna tell him what i was referrin' to, yet
>you're not ME (lol)


>that offensive line is the REASON mcnabb's been playin' for a
>decade (relatively healthy)

Relatively healthy? Dudes been injured the majority of the last 4 yrs. But whatever. The o line is good but it hasn't. Look at yesterdays game for refernce. The Giants were puttin all types of pressure on McNabb - but McNabb was able to avoid the heat. Unlike Brady last year. But y'all will see what y'all want to.


>>Everybody gave you Westbrook. Staley was a long time ago
>fam.
>
>duce was a part of the mcnabb era, and one of the reasons i
>said he's underachievin'

First off - Staley, Buck and Westbrook helped but McNabb was still throwing to garbage. Not until a year later when we got T.O. did he really show that he's a top 3 qb in the league. With a quality number 1 there would be no debate here.



>while andy reid certainly shoulders the load of bein' an idiot
>play caller, mcnabb is the man out their throwin' int's,
>throwin' up on the field in the biggest game of his career,
>and bein' called out by his OWN teammates for NOT bein' much
>of a leader...

Throwin int's?!!? For a qb that throws often his int totals are among the lowest for starting qb's every year he plays!! I can't excuse the super bowl shit - the nigga threw up. But if you're gonna act like him throwing up kept them from winning than there's nothing I can say.

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66. "dude, just stop..."
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>Relatively healthy? Dudes been injured the majority of the
>last 4 yrs. But whatever. The o line is good but it hasn't.
>Look at yesterdays game for refernce. The Giants were puttin
>all types of pressure on McNabb - but McNabb was able to avoid
>the heat. Unlike Brady last year. But y'all will see what
>y'all want to.

that offensive line has been more than solid for a DECADE. name another team that can say that WITHOUT at least ONE superbowl title?

>First off - Staley, Buck and Westbrook helped but McNabb was
>still throwing to garbage.

throw to the rb's, perhaps? oh yeah, they finally figured out that this is one of the OPTIONS of the wco (lol).

>Not until a year later when we got
>T.O. did he really show that he's a top 3 qb in the league.
>With a quality number 1 there would be no debate here.

and what did that year culminate in? a LOSS to the better team. a team riddled with injuries. a team with NO pro bowl receivers, NO pro bowl rb, an over-achievin' defense, and a great coach

>Throwin int's?!!? For a qb that throws often his int totals
>are among the lowest for starting qb's every year he plays!!

FARVE

> I
>can't excuse the super bowl shit - the nigga threw up. But if
>you're gonna act like him throwing up kept them from winning
>than there's nothing I can say.

t.o. had a BEAST of a game, on a BUM ankle. the defense was doin' everything it could against brady and belichick. maybe if he spent less time throwin' up and more time throw tds, they might've won that superbowl...



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110. "You're trying too hard to say nothing"
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>that offensive line has been more than solid for a DECADE.
>name another team that can say that WITHOUT at least ONE
>superbowl title?

The Seahawks. The Rams post Warner. The Ravens after 2000. What's your point now that having a great O-line guarantees a super bowl win? Cmon man stop it. In the NFL the only thing that puts in you in the running is a great defense and even then it ain't a lock.


>throw to the rb's, perhaps? oh yeah, they finally figured out
>that this is one of the OPTIONS of the wco (lol).

Dude been throwin to the rb's. Wtf are you talkin about? Did you not see that long ass screen pass to westbrook 'gianst Mini?


>FARVE

What does this mean? You lost?

>t.o. had a BEAST of a game, on a BUM ankle. the defense was
>doin' everything it could against brady and belichick. maybe
>if he spent less time throwin' up and more time throw tds,
>they might've won that superbowl...

Ok, you just hate the dude. Yea, T.O. played well. But who was throwin him the ball? Mcnabb had 300 yrds at 3tds that game as well. Not saying he had a great game but he definitely played better than yall giving him credit for.

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65. "RE: lmao!.."
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Dwag you said he played with pro bowlers on offense but cant name one. And as far the Offenseive line...you talking about the same O-Line that gave up 12 sacks in on game last year, that O-Line?

They just started playing well together...this year.

>that offensive line is the REASON mcnabb's been playin' for a
>decade (relatively healthy)
>
>>Everybody gave you Westbrook. Staley was a long time ago
>fam.
>
>duce was a part of the mcnabb era, and one of the reasons i
>said he's underachievin'
>

>while andy reid certainly shoulders the load of bein' an idiot
>play caller, mcnabb is the man out their throwin' int's,
>throwin' up on the field in the biggest game of his career,
>and bein' called out by his OWN teammates for NOT bein' much
>of a leader...

For all those INT's McNabb has been throwing how come he has the lowest INT percentage in league history?

I dont know what will make some of you Eagle fans happy. I live in Balitmore, you know how many years these Raven fans had to deal with Kyle Boller? They would have been praying for someone like McNabb.

Let's be real, how many QB's in the last ten years got more wins than McNabb. Brady & Manning, that's it.

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67. "^^more ignorance^^"
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>Dwag you said he played with pro bowlers on offense but cant
>name one. And as far the Offenseive line...you talking about
>the same O-Line that gave up 12 sacks in on game last year,
>that O-Line?
>
>They just started playing well together...this year.

when & where did i say ONLY last year? i said he's played with pro bowlers most of his career and that includes offense AND defense. you don't win a superbowl without both. yes, the line was atrocious last season, but what do you say for the last 10 yrs? *and i already pointed out westbrook and duce has been mentioned.

>I dont know what will make some of you Eagle fans happy. I
>live in Balitmore, you know how many years these Raven fans
>had to deal with Kyle Boller? They would have been praying for
>someone like McNabb.

me? an eagle's fan? fOck are you talkin' about?

>Let's be real, how many QB's in the last ten years got more
>wins than McNabb. Brady & Manning, that's it.

kurt warner
trent dilfer
tom brady
brad johnson
ben roethlisberger
peyton manning
eli manning

each of these qb's have more wins than mcnabb WHEN IT REALLY COUNTS...

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68. "You are full of shit man, lol...#5 is 9-5 in the playofss when it really..."
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>when & where did i say ONLY last year? i said he's played with
>pro bowlers most of his career and that includes offense AND
>defense. you don't win a superbowl without both. yes, the line
>was atrocious last season, but what do you say for the last 10
>yrs? *and i already pointed out westbrook and duce has been
>mentioned.

Dude you didnt say ONLY last year...I did, never claimed that you did. And yes the O-Line for the Eagles has been shaky for all of the ten years, this year was probably their best year ever.

>me? an eagle's fan? fOck are you talkin' about?

Dude I dont pay attention to which posters root for which team all the time. If you aint an Eagle fan, my bad then.

>>Let's be real, how many QB's in the last ten years got more
>>wins than McNabb. Brady & Manning, that's it.
>
>kurt warner
>trent dilfer
>tom brady
>brad johnson
>ben roethlisberger
>peyton manning
>eli manning
>
>each of these qb's have more wins than mcnabb WHEN IT REALLY
>COUNTS...

You bugging on this one. Warner had to make several comebacks before he got again, Dilfer is out the league, Johnson is on his way out. Both Mannings have either .500 or below playoff records and McNabb is 9-5 in the playoffs. I'll give you Brady and Roethlisberger, they are doing their thing (moreso Brady then Roeth)

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69. "cmon, there's no need to lie on the offensive line this decade"
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they've generally been a fairly strong unit under Reid, particularly in any of the years where they've been in the playoffs.

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77. "RE: Regardless, Cyren is talkin some silly shit"
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I just don't like countering it with mistruths.

For this decade, you'd be hard pressed to name more than five teams who've had a line better over a longer period of time.

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72. "I dont know, they have had a good pro bowler here and there"
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Like Andrews and a younger Runyan but as a whole I think they have been shaky...some of that was due to injury like last year.

But I'll give them props this year, they have done a good job. Part of it could be just shitty recievers that forced McNabb to scramble a lot early on in his career.

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79. "RE: I dont know, they have had a good pro bowler here and there"
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>Like Andrews and a younger Runyan but as a whole I think they
>have been shaky...
nah, in the playoff years the line was good-to-very-good depending on the year.

some of that was due to injury like last
>year.
>
>But I'll give them props this year, they have done a good job.
>Part of it could be just shitty recievers that forced McNabb
>to scramble a lot early on in his career.

Scrambling was part of his game back then.

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83. "if/when you EVAR decide to stop coppin' pleas..."
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Mon Jan-12-09 02:38 PM by CyrenYoung

  

          

>>kurt warner
>>trent dilfer
>>tom brady
>>brad johnson
>>ben roethlisberger
>>peyton manning
>>eli manning
>>
>>each of these qb's have more wins than mcnabb WHEN IT REALLY
>>COUNTS...
>
>You bugging on this one. Warner had to make several comebacks
>before he got again, Dilfer is out the league, Johnson is on
>his way out. Both Mannings have either .500 or below playoff
>records and McNabb is 9-5 in the playoffs. I'll give you Brady
>and Roethlisberger, they are doing their thing (moreso Brady
>then Roeth)

i just named SEVEN qb's who won the superbowl for the last decade

of those seven, THREE of them won with sub-par talent @ wr (trent & brad had one pro bowler a piece in sharpe and johnson, respectively).

warner came fresh off the check-out line @ walmart.

*there should be special mention here that in mcnabb's ONLY appearance in a superbowl, he lost to a better qb with EVEN LESS help @ wr

PLEASE address these facts...


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90. "I'll address the facts easily"
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>i just named SEVEN qb's who won the superbowl for the last
>decade

That Wal-Mart check out boy you mentioned won the MVP and had the sicket offensive talent in the SB in decades. Bruce, Faulk are HOFers and Holt is borderline. So to bring the Rams up is retarded for the sake of your argument.

Trent Dilfer happened to be at the right place at the right time...I think he completed only 8 passes in the SB. The Ravens were the first team to win strictly on Defense...they were even trying on offense...that aint even a plea cop, that's the truth.

Johnson had Keyshan & McCardell and a consistent running game.

As for Brady, McNabb is not Brady...no QB is. Brady can win without WR's and McNabb can not. But tell me another QB in the league right now that can win without a QB?


>
>of those seven, THREE of them won with sub-par talent @ wr
>(trent & brad had one pro bowler a piece in sharpe and
>johnson, respectively).
>
>warner came fresh off the check-out line @ walmart.
>
>*there should be special mention here that in mcnabb's ONLY
>appearance in a superbowl, he lost to a better qb with EVEN
>LESS help @ wr
>
>PLEASE address these facts...
>
>
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102. "that check out boy..."
In response to Reply # 90


  

          

>>i just named SEVEN qb's who won the superbowl for the last
>>decade
>
>That Wal-Mart check out boy you mentioned won the MVP and had
>the sicket offensive talent in the SB in decades. Bruce, Faulk
>are HOFers and Holt is borderline. So to bring the Rams up is
>retarded for the sake of your argument.

..he's been underrated ALL year, yet he just destroyed the panthers without one of his main targets. nobody gave them a chance to beat the falcons the week before. if he beats mcnabb and the eagles, the eagles will NEVER get another shot @ the superbowl with mcnabb @ the helm. *additional note: if warner's success in stl had so much to do with the talent around him, why weren't they able to produce the same results once he was gone?

>Johnson had Keyshan & McCardell and a consistent running
>game.

i already mentioned keyshawn, and keenan was WELL past his prime @ that point. galloway was the other big threat, and was playin' injured

lol @ you and anyone else TRYIN' to clown trent dilfer for NOT fuckin' up. fact is he held it down and helped baltimore win its 1st.

>As for Brady, McNabb is not Brady...no QB is. Brady can win
>without WR's and McNabb can not. But tell me another QB in the
>league right now that can win without a QB?

nigga WAT?..

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107. "RE: that check out boy..."
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*additional note: if
>warner's success in stl had so much to do with the talent
>around him, why weren't they able to produce the same results
>once he was gone?

There window closed. They went to the SB back to back and a season after that Faulk was done. Do you honestly doubt that Faulk and Bruce are no HOFers?

>i already mentioned keyshawn, and keenan was WELL past his
>prime @ that point. galloway was the other big threat, and was
>playin' injured

Um, no...Keenan made the pro bowl the next year and had over 1000 yards recieving.

>
>lol @ you and anyone else TRYIN' to clown trent dilfer for NOT
>fuckin' up. fact is he held it down and helped baltimore win
>its 1st.

Dude, I live in Baltimore and even Baltimoreans dont even want to acknowledge Dilfer existed in life.


>>As for Brady, McNabb is not Brady...no QB is. Brady can win
>>without WR's and McNabb can not. But tell me another QB in
>the
>>league right now that can win without a QB?
>
>nigga WAT?..

Win without a WR, name me a QB that can without a #1 WR in the league right now.

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135. "^^^ blind spots everywherre ^^^"
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>kurt warner <--- uh...MARSHALL FAULK? (and no, b.westbroook is no marshall faulk)


>trent dilfer<---greatest defense ever, maybe?

>tom brady <-- the only L i will take

>brad johnson <--- you really would take b.johnson over mcnabb? really, dude?

>ben roethlisberger <-- jerome bettis? hines ward?

>peyton manning <--- marvin harrison?

>eli manning <--- plax? strahan?

almost every one of those qb's you named had better personel <--- the thing mugs never wanna acknowledge.

i mean, give any of them dudes above except brady the guys mcnabb has, and who really thinks they win a superbowl?

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144. "readin' is fundamental..."
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..comprehension is essential

the question was: how many qbs have won more games than mcnabb durin' his tenure

my witty response: the 7 qbs listed have ALL won more games WHEN IT COUNTED (ie: the SUPER BOWL)

i didn't compare them OR their teams. the fact is, none of them choked in the biggest game of their lives. they made the most of it

sheesh...


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146. "Roethlisberger 9-21 123 yds 2 interceptions. yep."
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210. "RE: readin' is fundamental..."
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>..comprehension is essential
>
>the question was: how many qbs have won more games than mcnabb
>durin' his tenure
>
>my witty response: the 7 qbs listed have ALL won more games
>WHEN IT COUNTED (ie: the SUPER BOWL)
>
>i didn't compare them OR their teams. the fact is, none of
>them choked in the biggest game of their lives. they made the
>most of it
>
>sheesh...
>



U gotta take your L here homie...Everything you've said is moot because of one underlining point that you seem to be not grasping....Those QB's had better talent, period....

This is why McNabb just needs to leave the Eagles..Eagles fans for the most part r delusional.....Dude has carried this team too many years...


All that other shit u talking sounds like a teacher from Charlie Brown...Wah Wah Wah Wah....



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239. "foh..."
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..you show up and misread half of an exchange btwn me and a dumbass (who also isn't payin' attn) and you claim i'm takin' an L?

foh

you and every other mcnabb stan/apologist needs to eat a can of shut the fuck up

mcnabb's record in big games speaks for itself

*and i already said it here: this was mcnabb's last shot @ that ever elusive superbowl ring that he's been chokin' on...


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74. "The numbers:"
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here are the # of pro bowlers by year for philly including himself:

99 2 5-11
00 6 11-5
02 7 12-4
01 7 11-5
03 3 12-4
04 10 13-3
05 3 6-10
06 2 10-6
07 4 8-8
08 0 9-6-1

-chad lewis made the pro bowl 3 years 00,01,02
-TO was a pro bowler in 04
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76. "Thanks for posting that"
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I somehow forgot about Lewis. But Besides Brady, who proabably played with least amount of talent ever and won SBs, which elite QB right now has to work with less?

And no pro bowl WR's besides TO. In fact as an organiaztion the Eagles suck at Pro Bowl WR's, we got TO, Irving Fryar & Carmichael?

Maybe a stretch with Barnett and Quick?

That's a pretty sad string of #1 starting WR's.

>here are the # of pro bowlers by year for philly including
>himself:
>
>99 2 5-11
>00 6 11-5
>02 7 12-4
>01 7 11-5
>03 3 12-4
>04 10 13-3
>05 3 6-10
>06 2 10-6
>07 4 8-8
>08 0 9-6-1
>
>-chad lewis made the pro bowl 3 years 00,01,02
>-TO was a pro bowler in 04
>-B west was a pro bowler in 04,07
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84. "I dont agree with your sentiment that mcnabb had no help"
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Brady won 3 super bowls with avg at best recievers

  

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85. "The Brady factor"
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Everybody wants to point Brady as the standard bearer when he was the anamoly. Every other quarterback in league history had a decent offense with a star WR and a good running game.

Probably the closest teams to the Pats were the Bucs team that made it in 02 and some of Parcell's Giants teams.

So McNabb is not Brady...ok. He needs good WR's to win and Brady doesnt. When he had a good WR, he made it to the SB. Find McNabb some more good WR's and they will be a SB threat year in and year out.

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89. "The point is that those NFC championships that were lost"
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had more to do with him not showing up than him not having help

It just seems like pleas are being copped when the fact he threw
3 tds to 7 ints in NFC championship games

had nothing to do with them losing 3 nfc chips

  

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91. "Not showing up? mofo please"
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The first NFC championship they overachieved and got there. No one thought they would make it. In fact they upset a 13-3 Bears team to get to the game.

The second NFC championship, dude was playing 6 weeks after breaking his ankle and was still able to beat Atlanta the game before who had just handed the Packers their first lost at home ever. He drove them down the field and then threw a costly pick 6 at the end of the game.

The third one, Westbrook was out and he was left with no running game and shitty recievers.

SO how was it that he didnt show up? The first one they overahcieved, the second he came off an early leg injusty and the third no Westbrook. I also love the fact that you ignore all the work he did before to even get the Eagles into the playoffs.


>had more to do with him not showing up than him not having
>help
>
>It just seems like pleas are being copped when the fact he
>threw
>3 tds to 7 ints in NFC championship games
>
>had nothing to do with them losing 3 nfc chips

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92. "Plus 4th and 26 in the third"
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93. "The Eagles never lost a big game because of Mcnabb?"
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gotcha

It was the ball's fault for landing in Carolina defenders hands 3 times that game and in New England it was the clocks fault for not giving mcnabb enough time to make a sucessful 2 min drill

at the end of the day Mcnabb gets a LOT of unjust heat
but lets not act like its ALL unwarranted


Don must be solid against Arizona he cant just have an ok game
he must be the baller we all know he can be.

I am pulling for Don and the Eagles to get the ring this year

but i think its unproductive
when people make excuses for qb's cause they black
being EVEN is the best way to combat the yt media bias

(not speaking just on Donovan but in general. Don is a 1st ballot HOFer and argubly the GOAT black qb imo)

when you just turn around and do the flip side of what they do
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95. "Dude I aint making excuses cuz he black...u just said he aint show up"
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Was McNabb part of the reason why they lost...yes. As he is part of the reason for all their success as well.

The Eagles as a team caught a lot of tough breaks. If McNabb was healthy for the 2nd one, they probably would have won. If Westbrook was healthy for the 3rd one, they probably would have won.

But to act like McNabb, choked...that shit is ridiculous. And the Super Bowl game that everyone points back to, he played just mediocre. Dude had something like over 350 yards and two TD's...that does not counter balance the INT's but that performance was hardly a choke or "not showing up"

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96. "dog anytime you throw 3 ints as a qb you did in fact choak"
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especially in games titled the "Super Bowl" or "NFC championship"

he DIDNT show up fams

we aint ALL making this shit up
he choaked in the super bowl bottom line

had he not choaked they would have won

now with that said
w/o mcnabb the eagles would not have even sniffed 4 NFC championship appearances or won a quarter of the games they won had they picked Ricky Williams in that draft(as most philly fans wanted them to do)

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97. "That shit just means you lost"
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Show me game where the team that won didnt win the turnover battle...does that mean that all teams in SB's with multiple turnovers choked too? As I recall the Eagles D got a few turnovers themselves in that game.

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98. "you gotta be shitting me"
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so by your logic
carolina just loss sunday
had nothing to do with jakes 5 ints
he didnt choak either huh?

  

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105. "No my point is that the Eagles were only -1 or -2 in turnovers"
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You can still win games being -1 or even -2 in turnovers if you balling.

Carolina was -6 in turnovers.

The point being, the other opposing QB's were coughing it up too against the birds. McNabb just coughed it up more which led to Eagles losses. Aint no way dude choked...the Carolina game maybe you can make that argument but some of those INTs were out of desperation of a game they were already losing.

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108. "it's -1"
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and "the other quarterback had turnovers too" is a LAME excuse. like it's fine to throw picks as long as your defense gets the ball back.

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112. "It aint Lame, QB's throw picks..."
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some folks are acting like theyre supposed to be perfect

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115. "and when they throw a lot of them in big games, it's called choking"
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to accept is to understand

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119. "How about accepting he had to throw 51 got damn times"
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and Reid gave up on the run. THey couldnt have won like that.

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114. "RE: No my point is that the Eagles were only +1 or +2 in turnovers"
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>
>Carolina was +6 in turnovers.
>
>The point being, the other opposing QB's were coughing it up
>too against the birds.

STOP RIGHT HERE not in the super bowl

04 super bowl
Tom Brady- 23/33 236 yds 2tds 0 ints

McNabb just coughed it up more which

>led to Eagles losses. Aint no way dude choked...the Carolina
>game maybe you can make that argument but some of those INTs
>were out of desperation of a game they were already losing.

C'mon dog

  

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121. "RE: No my point is that the Eagles were only +1 or +2 in turnovers"
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Dude, the 3rd INT in the STL they were already losing and he was making a comeback.

The 3rd INT in the SB they were losing and he was trying to make a comeback.

The Carolina game was just horrible, he had 3 picks before the half I believe.

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129. "RE: No my point is that the Eagles were only -1 or -2 in turnovers"
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c'mon, I love Donovan but he tossed a pick to Barber that closed up the Vet and cost us a shot at punishing the Raiders.

His turnovers and snail-pace two-minute drill were the difference in the Pats Super Bowl.

I give him a pass on losing to the Giants because the were young & the Rams on the road when they were the alpha dog in the NFC.......and I give him somewhat of a pass on the Carolina championship game because of Mark Simoneau, Todd Pinkston and the fact that he was playing with broken ribs from the second quarter on after he got speared on the ground.

But dude's resume has some playoff duds on it.

These next two games are going to be huge for his overall legacy. Doesn't even need to put a Herculean performance, just as he hasn't in the two games thus far, he just needs to win.......similar to how Elway's career got redefined on the back of Terrel Davis in that Packer Super Bowl.

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133. "Dog you clearly didn't watch these games you just looking"
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at stats and talking out your ass.

I was at the Carolina game not only did his WRS and biggest reciever DUCE STALEY drop passes all three passes were in direct result of recievers on man coverage either dropping passes right on the shoulder or being man handled off of a pass. RICKY MANNING GOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF MANHANDLING TODD PINKSTON AND JAMES THRASH.

Those ints were not throwing into zone coverage not looking reading the defense or just plain choking. Its no secret how you challenge the Eagles especially when they don't have a true #1 you simply play man coverage and press the recievers and dare them to beat you cause the eagles wrs cannot consistantly beat man coverage (with the exception of TO and maybe Desean Jackson).

In that Superbowl dude was on the 2 yard line with 52 seconds against the best defense in the league and three 3 tds and 3 ints the last one was deflected off of LJ smith perfect.

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>so by your logic
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100. "This is hyperbole"
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Hate this shit. I'm not saying he had his best game, he didn't. And that last drive was all kinda wack from him to Andy Reid. But to say he choked cause he threw 3 picks? Dude also threw for 3td's and 300 yrds. Again, choking is completely underperforming which he didn't. He made some great plays and made some bad ones against a great defense. The Pats were just the better team. Simple as that.

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109. "He is the FUCKING QUARTERBACK"
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yeah he threw 300 yards
but its doesnt mean shit
if you were inconsistant down the stretch
plus he had 51 pass attempts

he DID under perform

he had the ball with 2 min and change left
and decent field position in the fucking super bowl
game ends with a pick in which he threw into double coverage

what do you call that then if its not a choak job?
ESPECIALLY when we all seen this cat play WAYY better than that

  

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116. "Hyperbole"
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>yeah he threw 300 yards
>but its doesnt mean shit
>if you were inconsistant down the stretch
>plus he had 51 pass attempts
>
>he DID under perform

>
>he had the ball with 2 min and change left
>and decent field position in the fucking super bowl

And scored a touchdown - to greg lewis. The pick came on our 10 yrd line with 37 seconds. If you're gonna have a wack opinion at least get the facts right.

Again, a choke artist woulda been down 10 and folded. You gotta give McNabb some credit for driving us 79 yrds down the field for a score to even give us a chance. But whatever, y'all will see it how y'all want to. Again, I don't think dude played his best game - far from it. But he didn't choke.


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122. "incredible"
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no responsibilty lies on Donovan

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124. "You don't read well"
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I never said NO responsibility. Thing is you want ALL responsibility to fall on him - that's not how I see it. Not when you score 3 tds and throw for 300rds, one of those td's coming on a 78 yrd drive to bring the game within 3 pts. He played an average game - NE's D had a lot to do with it - his own lack of ability was to blame as well. You can also bring in the fact that we had no running game whatsoever - that's why fat Andy called 50 pass plays. Just saying.

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117. "RE: He is the FUCKING QUARTERBACK"
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>yeah he threw 300 yards
>but its doesnt mean shit
>if you were inconsistant down the stretch
>plus he had 51 pass attempts
>
>he DID under perform
>
>he had the ball with 2 min and change left
>and decent field position in the fucking super bowl
>game ends with a pick in which he threw into double coverage
>
>what do you call that then if its not a choak job?
>ESPECIALLY when we all seen this cat play WAYY better than
>that

Granted. Everything you said was true until saying he choked. But lets not act like he wasnt playing aginst one of the best defenses in the SB era. This is the same squad that shut down the Rams who looked unstoppable. I know you or someone will counter by saying that is another excuse but the fact is he was playing a great defense. If McNabb would have scored on that Pats D with 2 minutes to go, he would be revered like Joe Montana.

But he didnt...he just played mediocre. No more, no less.

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130. "300 yards is one of the most overvalued & useless stats in football"
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it means nothing.

Unless a QB is just on fire 300 yards generally comes about in a pass-happy offense when the team is trailing the majority of the game.

Shit, McNabb had 300 yards in the infamous Bengal tie but it might have been the worst game I've ever seen him play.

It's another reason I don't give a shit about people that trot out Kurt Warner's 300+ yard 'percentage' stat. Dude played with the Greatest Show On Turf whose defense eventually went to shit and he's been in a pass-happy offense with two All-Pro wideouts for the past few years.

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87. "Brady also played in a very balanced attack"
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with a better o-line and generally had better defenses. And the year they beat Philly they had dillon who had 1600 yrds that year. The one year Brady played in a pass first offense he racks up crazy stats - has one of the best qb seasons of all-time, maybe the best, but LOSES to Eli Manning. Basically, there are other factors that distinguish Brady and McNabb so just saying "Brady won with trash" is unfair.

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88. "Mcnabb isn't Tom Brady. I can accept that, lol. Brady accomplishments"
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>Brady won 3 super bowls with avg at best recievers
>
are clearly in a class by themselves. He doesn't belong in this post, unless somebody tried to compare McNabb to Brady.


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106. "McNabb's in good company..Steve Young lost 3 NFC Championships also"
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but with better talent around him on offense than D-McNabb. But those Cowboys and Packers teams were GREAT, and Young didn't have nearly the defense McNabb's had, so I guess it balances out the equation.

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137. "The same Kurt Warner that was being mentioned as a MVP this year?"
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Are you nuts?

Or are you saying this because everyone doubted the Cards in the playoffs? FYI, the Cards have advanced in the playoffs because of their defense and run game, not because Warner has done something different. And there is no fucking way he can be considered underrated this season after so much fucking talk about him all season, after him being a front-runner for MVP most of the year. That makes NO SENSE whatsoever.


McNabb has done more with less than any other QB I can think of and still gets no credit. FOH talking about him being surrounded by Pro Bowlers and not getting the job done. Of course the Eagles have had a bunch of Pro Bowlers, you don't win every year and get to 4 straight Conference Championships with out them, but the vast majority of them were on defense and not skill-position players on offense.

B-West is only a two-time Pro-Bowler. TO is his one WR Pro Bowler, in 2004. Runyan, Thomas, and Andrews have made Pro Bowl appearances, but they are LINEMEN. And don't pass off Chad Lewis as a Pro Bowl-type TE, like he's Gonzalez or Gates or Witten or something, because he's not. The NFC during those years didn't have very many TE's that were worth a damn and the Eagles were winning their division and kicking ass all over the place, and like most teams with great records, sent a fucking ton of players to Hawaii. Lewis was a nice TE but was not a All-Pro receiver. And the third Pro Bowl he went to was only because Andy picked him to go, as the NFC coach, as an injury replacement. His numbers actually sucked that year.

If you want to talk about somebody who had a ton of Bro Bowlers around him and failed, talk about Peyton Manning. He has always had All-Pro backs and receivers and CONTINUALLY chokes in the playoffs and the "games that count". Yet he gets a pass, because he's the great Peyton Manning, the face of the NFL. He only won ring because of his defense and run game. He was atrocious in the playoffs.

McNabb never gets his due and is easily the most underrated, trying to pass off Kurt Warner as such is a joke.

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156. "^^SO PROPHETIC!!^^"
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..and anyone who doesn't understand why i mentioned warner, check it:

yes, the guy's thrown for a TON of yards
yes, he's an mvp

but with all his achievements, there's always the asterisk attributed to the players around him

yes, he achieved a great amount of success with a great group of players, but i don't think he gets the credit he deserves when it comes to bein' a smart qb who adapts well to most scenarios...


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42. "RE: Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far"
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I understand some of the criticism of McNabb. He's not the most accurate cat out there. In his biggest moment, the perception is he choked, fair or not. But completion percentage alone has never told the entire story. If you judge players by what they have accomplished on the field, Donovan McNabb is a top tier guy. The analyst seem enamored by guys like Romo or even Carson Palmer. How many playoff games have they won between the both of them?
McNabb has been in the NFC championshig game for half of his career and he's been in the league 10 years. Only had a pro bowl receiver for one year and put up astronomical numbers.

If they mess around and win the Super Bowl, I will not be surprised if he tells the media to address all questions to his @ss. Maybe Philly fans would rather lose decisively than get so close year after year and not win the Super Bowl. He has to have one of the best winning percentages of any guy still playing. The only real criticism is he hasn't won a Super Bowl. Same thing you can say about 95% of QB's in the NFL.

  

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46. "I'm just glad he continues to remain even keeled no matter what."
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50. "it's cuz he's black, on some real shit"
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yesterday i was like damn, this nigguh mcnabb done been to 5 nfc chip games, he's 1-3, but the mofo consistantly plays deep into the postseason.

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51. "more like most overrated..."
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he lacks the intangibles.

all the talent in the world, but lacks that "it" that winners have.

maybe he gets it this year, i don't know.

but really the Eagles should have won more than 9 games this year.

and don't blame Andy Reid.

Reid's been McNabb's supporter since day 1 (drafted him when Philly fans didn't even want him).

Reid benched McNabb's underachieving ass to wake his ass up, and now you see the change in the team and how they perform in games.

but see, the great competitors don't need their ass woken up. they are self-starters. McNabb isn't. He is reactionary by nature. Thats what holds him back. He cares what people think about him. he even changed his game and didn't run the football because of it. he cares about the criticisms. he cares how he is viewed. but champions don't give a f*ck. thats why McNabb aint won sh*t...yet. Maybe this is the year he finally fulfills his talent? Remains to be seen.

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54. "You don't know what the hell you're talking about"
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you think you know - but you have no clue.

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80. "RE: more like most overrated..."
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>he lacks the intangibles.

like getting away from sure sacks and getting 3rd and 20..yea i see it
>
>all the talent in the world, but lacks that "it" that winners
>have.

the "it" like carrying your team to 4 consective NFC Championships..yup i c it
>

>maybe he gets it this year, i don't know.
>
>but really the Eagles should have won more than 9 games this
>year.

can't win, when teams wait for you to throw every down..yea i c it
>
>and don't blame Andy Reid.

every game that's been at least 60% pass 40% ratio..Philly wins..anything over, we lose, Nabb controls the playcalling now, yea i c it..
>
>Reid's been McNabb's supporter since day 1 (drafted him when
>Philly fans didn't even want him).
>
>Reid benched McNabb's underachieving ass to wake his ass up,
>and now you see the change in the team and how they perform in
>games.

u mean the team actually team stepping up?? WR's were dropping passes all year, still are, (Curtis yesterday)..QB's have bad games..ask Jake Delhomme, but benched in a winnable game (down 4-5, cant remember exactly) and put bum Kolb in?? makes sense..D's stepped up, WR's stepped up, 5 has been playing the same, just looks better when the D is waiting for you to pass every down.
>
>but see, the great competitors don't need their ass woken up.
>they are self-starters. McNabb isn't. He is reactionary by
>nature. Thats what holds him back. He cares what people think
>about him. he even changed his game and didn't run the
>football because of it. he cares about the criticisms. he
>cares how he is viewed. but champions don't give a f*ck. thats
>why McNabb aint won sh*t...yet. Maybe this is the year he
>finally fulfills his talent? Remains to be seen.

I don't care who u r, but if ur home town doesnt like you, it will affect the way u view your situation.."shit, I have 16 away games every year" Nabb hasn't won the SB yet cuz TO didnt stay another year..his 1st and only 30+ TD season, 1+1=3 according to Reid and the GM who havent figured out he needs a top flight WR, if the Offense is gonna carry us to the promised land..Nabb is my fav player of all time and I know Ben ROEIRJOWEIJROJGJHOIJFOIJDburger aint better..

  

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131. "Cosign all that"
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81. "This ain't rap music nigga we don't go by those wack ass poor"
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excuses for having a man crush called swag and it.

Who scores more points who stops who.

This shit ain't subjective it either is or ain't

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57. "I get what you're saying...."
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But the horse is dead. He is what he is. The best QB in eagles history. A very good QB who has put up some great stats and won.

Everything is just white noise at this point and conjecture.

And some of the criticism comes from playing in this fickle city. We love or hate from game to game, and sometimes play to play. I think he understands this and deals with it.

When all this ends...and it will at some point. The bean counters that work for the eagles will move on to the kolb era and we'll miss #5 alot more than we think we will.
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62. "I'm always glad to see him win"
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I honestly believe and have for a long time that he is #3 behind Brady and Manning. And Manning's playoff success is well documented and shaky at best.

He has consistently played with the least talented WR corp in the league and not complained.

He's dealt with major injuries, rehabbed and come back strong.

He deals with CONSTANT criticism from Philly fans, local and national media and yet keeps proving them wrong.

He might not have a ring but he's a great player, a leader and a winner in my book.

  

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71. "Man, Eagles fans seem so split on this issue that"
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iono whether to cheer for or against McNabb to make y'all mad. Will you mafuckas please make it plain? I gotta fuckin pick a side here. Of course, I am leaning towards fuck the egirls becuz I think that would maximize the mad-making.


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111. "McNabb 400 yards 4 tds 0 Interceptions and an Eagles loss"
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because a receiver dropped a pass would put them on silent.


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118. "I could live with that.."
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113. "Donovan been ethered Eagles fans though."
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They wanted RICKY WILLIAMS on draft day
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120. "sticky ricky iz what they called him..."
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134. "Really, thats who all Eagles fans wanted?? I know I loved the pick"
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and so did all my brothers and lot of my fam and friends. I think you, like most of the non-Philly fans on this board and across the country, just love to eat up everything the vocal minority says about McNabb. And those idiot fans were booing the pick--NOT McNabb. And how many of those fans were actually there in attendance? Like 25 or 50 out of how many total Eagles fans? C'mon. Like I stated in a previous post, in virtually every Eagles fan poll I checked out this year, fans cited Andy Reid-not McNabb--as the biggest reason for our poor play. There's a huge misconception out there, that Eagles fans don't like or appreciate what McNabb has done for this team. It's absolutely bogus. I'm not saying McNabb is treated great here. He's gets a lot of criticism--like every other Philly athlete has. Much of it is unfair, but it comes with the territory when you're the QB of the Eagles.

I watched McNabb at Syracuse and was mezmerized by his playmaking ability. He was the total package. I have two close family friends that played against him in the Big East and they always stated that he gave teams nightmares. My one friend was a MLB for Rutgers and he always says that McNabb was the best player he ever played against--and he played against Vick and other greats. The other friend was a 2 time All Big East Lineman, so I'll take his word for it as well.

I think I was only 15 at the time of him getting drafted and I didn't read much of the Philly papers, so I don't remember the situation entirely. But I do know a lot of people were extremely excited about the McNabb pick because it signified a change for the future and a lot of folks were trusting in Andy Reid.

  

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136. "Why would anyone want to play for you Philly fans?"
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When he wins, its a briliantly schemed team game. When he loses, he's a underperforming choker.

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139. "Seriously, yall need to chill with this talk and stop watching ESPN"
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The fans here have been harder on Andy Reid all season long. McNabb did have a bit of a rough stretch for a little while there, so he's not above criticsm...And thats what Philly fans do to every great Philly athlete--no different for McNabb.

I've been on his side since day 1, so I'm not gonna cop pleas here. I know a ton of other Philly fans that have been his supporters since day 1, too. But since we're not the stereotypical loud/foul mouth, evil spirited 'passionate' fan that the media loves to glamourize, folks just assume we are all like that--which is bs. The vocal minority always trumps the voice of the majority of level headed fans. Yall will continue to think what you want to think about us Philly fans.

  

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141. "bullshit, this pussy"
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gets more attention then most qb's other than the mannings and when i hear the sportscasters talk about him, they love him. he has a top 5 running back and has had him for a while. and he acts like a bitch. he's either crying like a girl because he's struggling or talking shit and making fun of the other team because he's winning.

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145. "You've got Manning/Brady, then you've got McNabb. is and has been"
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A lotta other cats have come on looking like true franchise QBs but they have come and gone basically, and here is McNabb is his FIFTH conference title game.

Hasselbald? Just for Men on line 1.

Carson Palmer? Now a personal consultant to other overrated SC quarterbacks while he puts his leg up.

Eli Manning? More of a one-hit wonder than William DeVaughn.

Mike Vick? Always an overhyped, B-grade Randall Cunningham, now behind bars.

Marc Bulger? He's got a line of people ready to drive him to the airport.

Romo? Wow, it's kinda funny to read that out loud given that his name is never really coming up on championship weekend.

The only guy approaching McNabb status is Big Ben, he is pretty good. Of guys now outta football, big up to Steve McNair as well. Even so, if you look at the past ten years, McNabb ranks at #3 EASILY for the full span and I really cannot think of too many years where he ranked lower.

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147. "You know what if Eagles win a superbowl this year I would put him"
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>A lotta other cats have come on looking like true franchise
>QBs but they have come and gone basically, and here is McNabb
>is his FIFTH conference title game.
>
>Hasselbald? Just for Men on line 1.
>
Above P. Manning. Talk about choking Manning plays horrible in the playoffs and the year his team won it all it was primarly defense and Addai/rhodes(who should have been SB mvp).

>Carson Palmer? Now a personal consultant to other overrated
>SC quarterbacks while he puts his leg up.

But 2 3 years ago when 5 have two season ending injuries Palmer was the big name.

>Eli Manning? More of a one-hit wonder than William DeVaughn.

Another product of hype his sb winning drive was his best achievement however he threw two sure picks before the pass to smith(prayer) and the one to Burris(who proved to be vital). With the game on the line I don't want Manning he can't handle pressure.

>Mike Vick? Always an overhyped, B-grade Randall Cunningham,
>now behind bars.

B grade randall try C grade Randall was accurate and actually put up good passing yards.

>Marc Bulger? He's got a line of people ready to drive him to
>the airport.

agreed

>Romo? Wow, it's kinda funny to read that out loud given that
>his name is never really coming up on championship weekend.

Agreed

>The only guy approaching McNabb status is Big Ben, he is
>pretty good. Of guys now outta football, big up to Steve
>McNair as well. Even so, if you look at the past ten years,
>McNabb ranks at #3 EASILY for the full span and I really
>cannot think of too many years where he ranked lower.

True.

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152. "He is pretty cemented at #3 but it's a tier thing"
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You make a good point about Manning, I mean look at performances like his 20-3 loss against New England the year before the Colts won it, he has shit the bed in ways McNabb never did (I guess maybe the first year we lost to the Giants when he was like 12 years old) and gotten a pass for it ... especially after he won one. So if McNabb wins this year, I dunno if he can surpass Manning or Brady, but I think he can into the same breath or "top tier."

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148. "Wait - if you put P.Manning on any Eagles team...."
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...you honestly think he woulda won a SB with them?


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151. "Hmmm, actually an interesting question"
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I'd love to take up for McNabb here but Manning is a better player, by what margin is arguable but it's clear enough to say it.

As for the specific question, I do think Manning would have likely won it in 04, I mean shit McNabb was only ONE break away that year himself, that was a GOOD team so even a little difference could have sealed it. That was probably the best team in franchise history and they came within inches as it was.

The only other year was 02 perhaps, same deal there where really we just had the misfortune of a regular season meeting with Tampa where they got too many good looks at us. McNabb didn't play so well in the Chip game and again it was very close, a small difference would have been a big difference and I think either McNabb or Manning could have beaten Oakland.

So I wouldn't give too much maniacal laughter to the question, but the fact that Manning probably could/would have won one or two in McNabb's cleats just shows that McNabb and the Eagles were really, really, really close a couple of times.

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161. "LOL."
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Payton Manning is better than McNabb. But given
the SAME Eagles teams he would probably perform
FAR WORSE.


I guess you didn't see Payton relying on his
2 good running backs and defense to win his
only Super Bowl.

That Eagle team with TO? LOL. Payton would not have
gotten to the Super Bowl, let alone won it. Remember-
TO was hurt.

Manning has had a hall of famer to throw to from the
second he got there.

He woulda been shitty throwing to Todd Pinkston and
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238. "you're entitled to your opinion"
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having seen every eagles game since 1995, i doubt i am changing mine much. the 04 team was loaded, he had to win a couple playoff games against shit teams, that would absolutely not have been a problem for manning. the 02 team like i said was soooooo fucking close that given another chance mcnabb could probably do it and i see nothing prohibiting manning from beating the bucs.

i can see that you are in love with mcnabb. the guy is my second favorite quarterback ever but much like my first he is borderline for canton although you think he is a mortal lock. time will tell, of course i hope he makes it.

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179. "Manning would of gotten creamed if he played for the Eagles."
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The AFC south is not the NFC east. Manning wouldn't of done shit with the Eagles hell he only had 1 ring with all that HOF talent on the Colts roster.

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222. "and that ring was DESPITE manning"
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149. "I tried to tell these retards......"
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two trophies one sports year baby

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150. "He is the most trashed QB in the NFL by far ..."
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by the media and his own stinkin fans. Dude is a great Eagle player, historic exciting to watch, good citizen yet he gets trashed now everybody on his dick again. Deion says DM wants out Jamie big fat dude from NFL net says he wants out, today DM said it all "wining cures everything" if he wins a trophy Philly will treat him like a GOD and he aint going to want leave.

  

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155. "he's the best eagle quarterback ever, period"
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Jurgenson had his best years elsewhere, Van Brocklin wasn't here that long, Jaws was not as good as any of those guys and Cunningham was exciting as hell but never won much despite usually having a great defense in his corner. No one has done more for the organization under center than McNabb, he should be the first quarterback whose number the Eagles retire period.

He is frustrating at times and I understand that creates some resentment but the cracker crowd in the five counties is the main reason he gets so much shit. They are just dying to see a white guy in there, I mean they'll take anyone with a pulse and a jar of mayonnaise.

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162. "ehh..."
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..while i certainly agree that mcnabb has accomplished a bit more than any other eagles qb, i think it would a bit disrespectful to retire his jersey BEFORE cunningham's

yeah, cunningham had a great defense (like mcnabb), but i would argue that randall had even LESS to work with on offense than mcnabb's worst squads

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Yeah I like McNabb but I'll give Randell the nod as being a better qb.

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249. "no one has worn 12 for a while now"
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i can't remember anyone since randall but maybe i am drawing a blank.

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154. "the amount of stupidity in this post is tremendous"
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year after year after year peyton manning choked with all-pros at every skill position and a much better defense than they got credit for.

his super bowl winning season he had 3 touchdowns and 7 interceptions, are you guys fucking kidding me? miss me with that "they had to step up and show the heart to win" FOH with that. you act like, outside of brady, ANY of those QBs went out and won the game like montana did. seriously, again FOH with that.

NOBODY is putting mcnabb over brady, cause brady did the most with the little, although he did have GOOD players, the eagles had POOR receivers.

the superbowl that the eagles lost? he threw 51 times, they ran 17. any motherfucker that knows ANYTHING about football will tell you when a quarterback has to throw that much it's usually because they were down by a bunch early, NOPE just andy reid's system. and how exactly did mcnabb CHOKE in that game?

a choke would be if they got blown out or didn't even make the game competitive or it came down to one play he didn't make. he made good plays he made bad plays and yes he dry heaved but he did NOT choke.

a healthy ME-O and they probably actually beat the pats cause with his explosion he'd have scored a few TDs.

but really, you don't make it to conference championship games if you don't win big games.

seriously, you philly phucks are so used to being mad and negative you level your vitriol at the wrong person. Donovan McNabb has managed to win many more games than he's lost despite being put in a PASS happy offense with inadequate RECEIVERS.

he's not the most technically sound passer but he's much better than average, nevermind the other intangibles he brings to the position.

y'all are a fucking joke. i hope he wins then leaves philly so you can have the kevin kolb era.

  

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159. "AHAHHHH (C) Jadakiss"
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243. "(Link) don't play yourself"
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163. "LOL. Mcnabb's receivers suck. LOL."
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Haha

Wow his receivers suck.

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167. "He Better than Tony."
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169. "I feel bad for Andy doe."
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all stah
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173. "RE: I feel bad for Andy doe."
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bad dad andy?


No
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178. "nope"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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193. "Whuh??!?! Why???"
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Fluck Andy!

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253. "Why?! Andy's the fuckin problem...& I ain't even a Philly fan"
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The first step in the acquisition of wisdom is silence, the second
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others.- Solomon Ibn Gabriol
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Fisticuffs
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170. "Donovan did a poor job covering Fitzgerald"
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all stah
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172. "RE: Donovan did a poor job covering Fitzgerald"
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lol

*dies*

  

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176. "media on that bull"
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post game and they kept Nabb's stats on there during all of Reid's time @ the podium, lol..as if he cost him the game, lol

  

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175. "^^^^^^^"
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Seriously, wtf? He should know Fitz is the
best receiver in the league

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177. "Eli didn't have to Cover Moss last yr.......cause he lead his team down"
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the field the next drive
lol @ trying blame this on the D
both Defenses gave up mad points
difference is one QB played better in the 4th quarter

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Frank Castle
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183. "RE: Eli didn't have to Cover Moss last yr.......cause he lead his team d..."
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You know why Eli led his team down the field, because he had good receivers that actually held on to the ball. When PB went down this year, what happpened to Eli? What they lose 4 out of the last 6 games?

DAMN!

  

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201. "he won't have an answer for this."
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LOL.

We all remember who caught the game winning TD for the Giants that night... must have been Amani Toomer, right?

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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181. "Not only that, it was McNabb's fault for not going for the 2 point"
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conversion and he made Aker miss a field goal and extra point.

DAMN!

  

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LA2Philly
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180. "Every QB misses some throw, but Don missed too many easy throws"
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The wr's def had some drops and they obviously deserve blame, but Donovan missed so many drag and in routes that not only put us in longer conversions but in a couple instances, coulda meant more points in the first half(the throw to Baskett is a TD or at least 45-50 yards....and the throw behind DeSean on the drag with only Francisco to beat).

You are gonna miss throws, that happens....and Donovan was very very good throwing DOWN the field, but he missed numerous chances over the middle.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

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184. "RE: Every QB misses some throw, but Don missed too many easy throws"
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and his receivers dropped to many easy catches. I mean was it raining in the dome to making the ball slippery or something?

DAMN!

  

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LA2Philly
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191. "Read the first line of the actual post...i put blame on the wr's"
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Wr's dropping the ball doesn't mean Donovan is somehow exempt from blame as well.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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Fisticuffs
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186. "He got them the lead in the 4th"
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the defense gave right back.

  

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187. "^sees it"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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188. "^^TRUTH^^"
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..while you can't put this entire loss on mcnabb's shoulder's, but he shares the burden

the throw behind basket on 3rd down was prob'ly MORE crucial than the play that followed (the questionable no-call). as well as the ints

point is, in a game this big, the team with the fewest turnovers/mistakes usually wins...

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189. "Is it cool if I do a Westbrook post?"
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192. "wait for it..."
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..there are already 4 eagle's related threads runnin'

give it a breather and post it later this week please...


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LA2Philly
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194. "exactly....finally someone else w/o an agenda on OKP lol"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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197. "Agreed. If Donovan makes those throws in the first half the Eagles"
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probably would have won by quite a bit.

  

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250. "yesterday he missed some guys and didn't take advantage of time"
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he had fantastic protection, your line plays like that in a game where you throw on 80+% of downs, you shouldn't have a very good stat line, you should have a stat line for the ages.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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all stah
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185. "RE: Donovan McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL by far"
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imo
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190. "McDumbass has to depend on his defense for a winning drive?"
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when he gets a shot he comes up small. He turtles up. His balls get small. He throws up. He hyperventilates in the huddle and others have to make the call. He throws high. He throws low. He throws behind. Does not call an audible to stop a blitz.

Had a shot vs the Rams to win
Had a shot vs the Pats in the Superbowl to win
Had a shot vs the Cards to tie

is that what you want from someone getting 100 mil?

4th and 26 vs a Green Bay team on the downward spiral from what they used to be is all he has.

Chi or Min please take him.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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198. "Why don't you be a Chi or Min fan, cuz you suck as an Eagles fan"
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200. "Show some sympathy, I have McNabb as my QB."
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Pour out some liqueur.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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246. "Sympathy? You want Kolb or something? Stop being a dumbass."
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You really want to get rid of the best QB that has ever played for the Eagles. You're an idiot. Stop buying into all the local media bullshit and stupid-ass fan rhetoric and realize what the fuck you're saying. Fans like you suck.

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240. "So Kolb is better? Kevin Kolb wins us a Superbowl?"
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Fisticuffs
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195. "White QB's w/shitty resumes get more love/less criticism"
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Brees
Palmer
Romo

Brees gets the no D plea.

Palmer got the nigga scape goat Chad.

Romo got the nigga scape goat TO.

  

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242. "remember when cats were saying Jake Delhomme"
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was a better qb than mcnabb?

  

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Dr Claw
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199. "he is Peyton Manning without Addai, Rhodes and Harrison."
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Period.

He isn't underrrated.
He's rated about where he should be.
He's overhated, though.

And if you grade on a curve due to fans of the NFC East, the number is really outta wack.

Anyone else saying otherwise can stick a dirty needle in their arm, especially Eagles "fans"....

because seriously? These niggas would probably want Koy "X-Pac of the NFL" Detmer under center during the prime years. The Eagles would be the Redskins in green if that were the case.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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202. "Addai and Rhodes > Westbrook?"
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nice

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208. "i know right,lol"
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Dr Claw
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216. "housenigga please, you were shitting on Westbrook for years"
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only defending him against the likes of Reggie Bush

for all that fuckboy talk about agendas, you need to drink a cup of shut the fuck up when it comes to McNabb

concentrate on your boy, stuck on a Yankee-ish franchise that throws money and takes changes and dies in December year after year after year.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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southphillyman
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221. "westbrook IS mr. glass but he's better then Mcfagg"
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and my team is the eagles
i could give a fuck less about TO or the cowboys
so mess me wit that diversion shit

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Dr Claw
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225. "yeah, and that's why your sig says, and The Doc quotes"
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>i could give a fuck less about TO or the cowboys
>so mess me wit that diversion shit

"0-4 in NFC Championship Games without TO on the roster" with an arrow pointing to a picture of McNabb in your avatar (before you edit like a homo)

you can't even troll right, you remedial class-ass nigga.

this is your version of "I Barely Make Kobe Posts, Dawg"

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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235. "is my sig wrong?"
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o ok thought so
i'm just makign the ether burn slower for all the mcfagg dick riders

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Dr Claw
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245. "all that bitch-ass nigga ever did for the Eagles"
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is give them enough regular season wins to get into the playoffs and a first-round bye. He was not a factor in the divisional game, nor the NFCCG game that the Eagles won. He was on the sidelines.

you can GTFOOH with that agenda shit, you cockgoblin.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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CyrenYoung
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203. "^^more truth^^"
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205. "RE: ^^more truth^^"
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I'm a Bears fans and even I can see what really happened...Philly's receivers and defense let them down...Period...

McNabb was indeed shaky the first half, but some of those passes should have been caught.,.There were too many drops....And when Philly finally got the lead back (thanks to McNabb again...that dude's back must be sore from carrying them...lol) their defense let Arizona run through them like a $5 dollar whore...

Face it Eagle fans...U never really surrounded Mcnabb with the talent that translates to a ring, except once (and we all know that involved the bitch made chemistry killer)...That dude deserved more respect...But he never got it...

I think this is good for dude...Maybe he can finally go to a place that really wants him around...




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204. "I agree to that too."
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209. "c'mon... take a step back"
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I hate Manning but c'mon.

Plus he got 100 mil before Manning.

McNabb just started throwing the fade this year. Does that make sense to you? Easy shit is delayed for his dumbass and ineptness.

If you have a McNabb jersey cut the heart out and put vomit on in.
He's overrated for 100 mil.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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211. "lol"
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>If you have a McNabb jersey cut the heart out and put vomit on
>in.

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213. "bwahahahhaa"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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212. "RE: c'mon... take a step back"
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>I hate Manning but c'mon.
>
>Plus he got 100 mil before Manning.
>
>McNabb just started throwing the fade this year. Does that
>make sense to you? Easy shit is delayed for his dumbass and
>ineptness.
>
>If you have a McNabb jersey cut the heart out and put vomit on
>in.
>He's overrated for 100 mil.


U sir are indeed delusional...U must be an Eagles fan....



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214. "I hope your team trades for McNabb"
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your move

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219. "RE: I hope your team trades for McNabb"
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>your move

No move needed homie...As a Bears fan I have my own problems (hahahaha)...But one thing I know is when I put blame on my QB's, they actually deserve it...lol

U Mcnabb bashers on the other hand don't seem to grasp that the only way u can be a one-dimensional team and be successful is if you have exceptional talent in one area of your team (Baltimore's Superbowl win: defense; Arizona this year: exceptional receivers)....But you can't be a pass happy team with subpar receivers...And you can't throw the ball that many times with gimpy ass runningbacks who can only run on screens...



There's nothing worse than the I-told-u-so fools who know little about the game...

McNabb is better off with another team and better players on offense...That dude is not above criticism...But the hate that some Philly fans have been throwing his way is weak...



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227. "for 100 mil he is supposed to be the part of the team"
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thats dominate.

He is supposed to be exceptional. He is supposed to put the ball on the spot to avg receivers. The problem is that he is the avg player that needs an exceptional WR to contort his body to adjust to his erratic balls.

I put the blame on the owner on down. Let me be clear. I wish they would have moved when they threaten to when they were bitching about a new stadium. This is Philly, we would have gotten a new team in a few years with a new stadium. The owner's claim to fame is V.I. Warshawski. How can that guy pick a decent G.M or Coach?

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232. "RE: for 100 mil he is supposed to be the part of the team"
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>thats dominate. He is supposed to be exceptional. He is supposed to put the
>ball on the spot to avg receivers. The problem is that he is
>the avg player that needs an exceptional WR to contort his
>body to adjust to his erratic balls.


There has only been one QB in the history of the NFL that has but his team over the top with average to subpar talent: Brady....And the funny thing is the only time McNabb has had better receivers than the Patriots is with the Team Killer catching the ball....Funny....



>I put the blame on the owner on down. Let me be clear. I wish
>they would have moved when they threaten to when they were
>bitching about a new stadium. This is Philly, we would have
>gotten a new team in a few years with a new stadium. The
>owner's claim to fame is V.I. Warshawski. How can that guy
>pick a decent G.M or Coach?

Sure, put the blame on the owner...and coach/GM...But for the most part u got to leave McNabb out of it...Because there's not a lot you can do when you your receivers drop balls (good to great receivers make good to great QB's look like NFL Gods...)...And gimpy RB's that can only run on screens???...lol...Yeah, that's the GM and coach all day...

Philly fans never wanted McNabb anyway...so hey, it is what it is...



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234. "u dont watch Eagle games"
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u cant.

They drop as many as he overthrows, hit the dirt, puts it behind them, drills a 3 yard route or plains misses the open window period. On big downs mind you. But yet he is absolved from all of that by his fans.

Have you ever seen McNabb throw the ball before the WR comes out of his break? He throws to the RB and TE because he cant do timing patterns. And in a West Coast Offense, that pretty much every play.

Square in a Round hole.

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241. "RE: u dont watch Eagle games"
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>u cant.
>
>They drop as many as he overthrows, hit the dirt, puts it
>behind them, drills a 3 yard route or plains misses the open
>window period. On big downs mind you. But yet he is absolved
>from all of that by his fans.
>
>Have you ever seen McNabb throw the ball before the WR comes
>out of his break? He throws to the RB and TE because he cant
>do timing patterns. And in a West Coast Offense, that pretty
>much every play.
>
>Square in a Round hole.

QB's don't throw to themselves....All that other stuff u talking is moot....


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215. "this sounds like southphillyman/steakhead nonsense."
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fuck how much money he earns.
Peyton was kept on a short leash during the 2006 playoffs.
Prior to then, he would have been right in a post like this.

Peyton Manning would not have won a Super Bowl or even won the Conference Championship Game throwing to Torrance Small, Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, and some random Rick James-lookin' ass dude in an Eagle uniform.

If Chad Lewis (and possibly his predecessor Thomason) weren't on those teams, McNabb would have no one to throw to.

and if McNabb wasn't even Eagle QB? LOL. Eagles = Redskins in green, period.

There's more to say, but Orbit_Established already pretty much said everything there is to say on the subject.

Right now he's showing the signs of being older and less accurate. Much like a certain Broncos QB who was also a perennial choker until he got some help (and he choked on the largest stage of them all, mind you).

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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217. "u got so many pleas it ain't even funny. in the BIGGEST game of"
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his career he had the best receiver in the game balling out.....
and mcfagg STILL choked
it's just not meant to be
u can blame it on receivers, coaches, the price of air force 1 in philly
whatever
stop copping pleas when there are MULTIPLE examples of mcfagg not coming thru in the clutch
the difference between elway manning and mcfagg is that elway and manning got it done.....

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218. "point to where The Doc copped a plea...."
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...and he'll show you beach front property in Bryn-Mawr.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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252. "Wait, hol' up!!!"
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>his career he had the best receiver in the game balling
>out.....
>and mcfagg STILL choked
>it's just not meant to be
>u can blame it on receivers, coaches, the price of air force 1
>in philly
>whatever
>stop copping pleas when there are MULTIPLE examples of mcfagg
>not coming thru in the clutch
>the difference between elway manning and mcfagg is that elway
>and manning got it done.....

So TO was throwing the ball to himself? Who knew.

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220. "i hate Peyton so you dont have to convince me"
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The Colts running and not passing as much had alot to do with them winning a Super Bowl.

But you will not convince me that McNabb is a better passer.

100 mil has everything to do with it. If he was making 1 mil next year there would not be speculation on whether they would keep him.

100 mil should be reserved for those who excel not shrink in big time situations.

Born and raised in North Philly and I havent had a cheesestake since the 90's. McNabb and The Fat man are holding my city hostage.

I wish my city would stop defending players who are not winners. Stop it. How many seasons and big time situations do you need? Look at who they beat to get to the Super Bowl. That shit was a mirage. Wake up.

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stop at the light mayne,
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224. "RE: i hate Peyton so you dont have to convince me"
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>I wish my city would stop defending players who are not
>winners. Stop it. How many seasons and big time situations do
>you need? Look at who they beat to get to the Super Bowl. That
>shit was a mirage. Wake up.


LOL......u still don't get it homie....lol

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229. "I dont get y someone would like an inaccurate QB"
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Thats like a point guard who cant pass.

A shooting guard who cant shoot.

His true calling is a circus clown.

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230. "RE: I dont get y someone would like an inaccurate QB"
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>Thats like a point guard who cant pass.
>
>A shooting guard who cant shoot.
>
>His true calling is a circus clown.


Come on man...when u r really serious about talking about your team let's do it...Until then, silly one-liners wont help u make your case when that so called inaccurate QB has been carrying your team for the better part of his career...

U seem like cool folks...But you got to be kidding me...



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231. "the team is built wrong... it's built around him"
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All QB need to be hid and earn their money on 3rd down. But when McNabb is one making the 3rd throw you have a problem. He is not accurate. U know that. When that pressure hit, he bitches up. He is a momma boy. He is Keenan Ivory Wayne is "I'm gonna get you sucka". How many times does he have to show you that he is not built for it?

If we were talking Andy, I would kill him.
If we are talking the owner, I would kill him.
If we are talking any WR but Jackson, I would kill them.
If we are talking Jim "everyone knows I'm going to blits and leave Fitz/Plax one on one" Johnson, I'm killing him.

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233. "RE: the team is built wrong... it's built around him"
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>All QB need to be hid and earn their money on 3rd down. But
>when McNabb is one making the 3rd throw you have a problem. He
>is not accurate. U know that. When that pressure hit, he
>bitches up. He is a momma boy. He is Keenan Ivory Wayne is
>"I'm gonna get you sucka". How many times does he have to show
>you that he is not built for it?
>
>If we were talking Andy, I would kill him.
>If we are talking the owner, I would kill him.
>If we are talking any WR but Jackson, I would kill them.
>If we are talking Jim "everyone knows I'm going to blits and
>leave Fitz/Plax one on one" Johnson, I'm killing him.


Nah...QB's can't throw it to themselves...I don't see why u can't grasp that....



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244. "RE: the team is built wrong... it's built around him"
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>All QB need to be hid and earn their money on 3rd down. But
>when McNabb is one making the 3rd throw you have a problem. He
>is not accurate. U know that. When that pressure hit, he
>bitches up. He is a momma boy. He is Keenan Ivory Wayne is
>"I'm gonna get you sucka". How many times does he have to show
>you that he is not built for it?

You know what's funny, if the Philly defense had simply stopped AZ from marching down the field in 7 mins, this post would be half as big. If coming back from down 18 points in the 2nd half ain't responding under pressure, then I don't know what is.

  

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247. "and there's always an "If..." with McNabb"
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226. "blame Lurie, not McNabb"
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>100 mil has everything to do with it. If he was making 1 mil
>next year there would not be speculation on whether they would
>keep him.

they drew up the contract

they continually back load them like shit, thinking they can get away without honoring it

this is just a pussy ass argument

fuck holding a city hostage, it ain't the player's fault, it's the god damn owners/management

and if they had done the right thing and gotten rid of the real problem with the team, things might be different

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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228. "I blame Lurie on down"
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McNabb is in there too.

Add him to your list.

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236. "yup the 4 horsemen, imo"
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and two of the horsemen ain't going nowhere (lurie and banner)
so let's get rid of the two that can be replaced (reid and mcfagg)

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237. "^^^^ playing a game of "who can reach around furthest""
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when that happens, and the Eagles go 2-14 2 seasons in a row, The Doc will LHAO

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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248. "That nigga looked like a fat Common at the press conference"
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yesterday

I'm sorry, I have nothing else substantial to add to this debate, except to say that I'm kinda tired of him proving that fat, pill poppin' piece of shit Limbaugh right every year
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254. "dam"
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>yesterday
>
>I'm sorry, I have nothing else substantial to add to this
>debate, except to say that I'm kinda tired of him proving that
>fat, pill poppin' piece of shit Limbaugh right every year
>________________________________________________________________________
>Your battleship has sunk
>I wish Grandma could see us...

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251. "The haters in this post prove my point"
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The Eagles lose, and it's McNabb's fault. If McNabb had done this, if McNabb had done that. It's always the same old bullshit.

If it was any other QB, it would be the defense giving up 32 points and three TD's to Fitzgerald. It would be the WR's dropping crucial passes. It would be the ref's blowing a big call. Or Akers missing FG's in a dome. But no, it's "Donovan should have done this" and all that shit.

McNabb's not perfect but he damn sure did not choke and he damn sure does not deserve most of the blame. The fact that everyone comes in here blaming him like he deserves it all, acting like this loss validates this hate and proves me wrong, actually proves me right. He is unduly criticized way more than any other QB is, and is way under-appreciated.

Look, every player could have done something different on the field. No one plays perfect. Donovan made some mistakes, but that's not what this is about. If it was Peyton Manning, if it was Drew Brees, in the same scenario, they wouldn't get any blame. Kevin Curtis would, the ref would, the D that gave up 32 after only giving up 11 per game in the last 6 would. But since it's McNabb, everyone blames him. That's what's bullshit. I'm not making excuses for him. He wasn't perfect. But the amount of hate is ridiculous.

People need to stop sippin that white media kool-aid bullshit and recognize the double standard that exists for this dude, especially the Eagles "fans". And some of the "justifications" for the hate, like

"his inaccurate passes" - the least picked off QB in the league
"Kurt Warner's more underrated" - a front runner for MVP? OK.
"He sucks without TO" - put TO's dick back in your mouth and STFU

I don't hear shit like that about other QB's with his accomplishments.

I'm not saying he should be absolved from blame, he shouldn't. But my point that he receives too much blame is proven in this post.

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255. "The truth lies in the middle."
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And that's all I'll really say because otherwise I'll be arguing with people on both sides.

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256. "is he?"
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257. "Damn!!! I was on point"
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*Gives myself a slow clap*

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258. "Faggot."
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259. "Damn, that's a year-old L pussy"
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260. "ground hog day?"
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bwhahahahahahha

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262. "since you fags upped it, I will comment further"
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Donovan McNabb is mortal.

I think at this point, he is no longer "underrated", but he has never been overrated.

At times he has shown behavior befitting a GOAT; other times he has shown performance befitting a goat.

He made sunshine out of shit in his early years with the Eagles.

In retrospect, I see the NFC, outside of the Rams, and a few lucky breaks from some teams like the Succaneers along the way, has been total ass crack. Teams that were hot in the conference one year, were ass the next.

Case in point: the Colts led the greatest Ether in the NFL I've seen since the Oilers-Bills ETHER on the defending NFL champ Succaneers in 2003-04.

Case in point part II: the Seahawks ran an incredible defense to the Super Bowl in the 2005 season, and LOL @ them ever since, especially when Holmgren retired.

meanwhile, the only times the Eagles have missed the playoffs in the last 10 years was when they were so injury depleted and had no depth at key positions, they just blew rotten roadkill asshole. (2005, 2007)

Andy Reid sucks. I mean, yeah, he keeps jabronis in the playoffs, but if you micromanage his shit, he could stand to adjust the gameplan to the deficiencies of his players. In that regard, Eric Mangini is better, as he most recently recognized Derek Anderson couldn't complete a pass, so he'd let the running backs do their thing against a soft run D.

As an Eagle fan, I have appreciated his time of service with the Eagles, but realize that time is dwindling down, and the chances of a true "Elway-ish" finish isn't going to happen with the faggot-ass beancounters, and non-gambling jabronis that run the franchise nowadays.

McNabb has been something that the Eagles have lacked ever since Cunningham had too many season-ending injuries and was not given even more than a consistently competent offense to work with: a franchise QB. In fact, I'll even say that he was more so than Cunningham, because he at least worked with the gay-ass system he was handed (perhaps buying into it a little too much). Unlike some Eagle fans who fall victim to the inferiority complex that is placed upon them by the faggot-assed teams in the division who wax poetic on their (distant) past accomplishments, I am not moved. 11-5 with a team that should have gone 7-9 or 6-10 is better than the 3-13 doldrums of doom from 1998.

He hasn't won a Super Bowl. I don't really fault him for that, as the problems with the Eagles are bigger than he is.

I still stand by my "Peyton Manning without Addai and whoever" comment. Because Peyton Manning has choked in bigger games, at larger margins, and has bitched out on a bigger stage, but got none of the hate except from those who weren't paid to drink the Kool-Aid. The road to his Super Bowl win was mostly done by keeping him and his tendencies in check. If Andy Reid had the balls to do the same w/McNabb then maybe we wouldn't have this discussion every year.

I find it hilarious that we even do, because I'd love to hear what Donkeys fans had to say about Elway.

Just for shits and giggles, here are some comparisons for you box score reading dillweeds:

Elway's career completion percentage: 56.9

McNabb's career completion percentage: 59

Elway's TD/INT Ratio: 1.33/1

McNabb's TD/INT Ratio: 2.16/1

Elway's career passer rating: 79.9

McNabb's career passer rating: 86.5

Elway's career postseason W-L record: 14-8.

McNabb's career postseason W-L record: 10-8.

Elway got his ass whooped in big games, including the greatest Super Bowl Ether of all time against the 1987 Redskins.

He doesn't win those last two seasons, he's going to be talked about the same way as McNabb. 'Cism? Or just idiocy from the usual suspects.

Note that against the original "Team Favre", here were Elway's stats:
11/22, no TDs, one INT. Hardly the box score accompanying a goat, but a team that won despite the weaknesses of one particular player.

So you can yuck it up, and talk about "worm killers" and whatnot, it shows your inner fagginess when you do. Andy Reid is not the master of winning a game despite the weaknesses of the team that is handed him. Many SB winners are. Including the 2007 Giants. Eli Manning was lucky as shit that dude caught the ball on his helmet that day, and he has never the kind of "leader" that unrealistic fans wish McNabb to be. How many times have you seen that virtual 12-year old on the field look like he's about to have some slide-whistle accompaniment to his on-field foibles or thrown away the game on a Funball or 3?

As was said by one of the dillweeds here: the Pats don't get their Laserbeak/Buzzsaw on and we don't have this inane conversation.

To condense it all:

I don't think McNabb is underrated anymore, he certainly isn't "overrated", he just is....


...better than whoever else you can line up except a very short list in today's game.

PS - SPM, you suck, and I hope Allen Iverson breaks both his knees, faggot.

That is all.

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263. "Props Doc...Fight the good fight."
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>Donovan McNabb is mortal.
>
>I think at this point, he is no longer "underrated", but he
>has never been overrated.
>
>At times he has shown behavior befitting a GOAT; other times
>he has shown performance befitting a goat.
>
>He made sunshine out of shit in his early years with the
>Eagles.
>
>In retrospect, I see the NFC, outside of the Rams, and a few
>lucky breaks from some teams like the Succaneers along the
>way, has been total ass crack. Teams that were hot in the
>conference one year, were ass the next.
>
>Case in point: the Colts led the greatest Ether in the NFL
>I've seen since the Oilers-Bills ETHER on the defending NFL
>champ Succaneers in 2003-04.
>
>Case in point part II: the Seahawks ran an incredible defense
>to the Super Bowl in the 2005 season, and LOL @ them ever
>since, especially when Holmgren retired.
>
>meanwhile, the only times the Eagles have missed the playoffs
>in the last 10 years was when they were so injury depleted and
>had no depth at key positions, they just blew rotten roadkill
>asshole. (2005, 2007)
>
>Andy Reid sucks. I mean, yeah, he keeps jabronis in the
>playoffs, but if you micromanage his shit, he could stand to
>adjust the gameplan to the deficiencies of his players. In
>that regard, Eric Mangini is better, as he most recently
>recognized Derek Anderson couldn't complete a pass, so he'd
>let the running backs do their thing against a soft run D.
>
>As an Eagle fan, I have appreciated his time of service with
>the Eagles, but realize that time is dwindling down, and the
>chances of a true "Elway-ish" finish isn't going to happen
>with the faggot-ass beancounters, and non-gambling jabronis
>that run the franchise nowadays.
>
>McNabb has been something that the Eagles have lacked ever
>since Cunningham had too many season-ending injuries and was
>not given even more than a consistently competent offense to
>work with: a franchise QB. In fact, I'll even say that he was
>more so than Cunningham, because he at least worked with the
>gay-ass system he was handed (perhaps buying into it a little
>too much). Unlike some Eagle fans who fall victim to the
>inferiority complex that is placed upon them by the
>faggot-assed teams in the division who wax poetic on their
>(distant) past accomplishments, I am not moved. 11-5 with a
>team that should have gone 7-9 or 6-10 is better than the 3-13
>doldrums of doom from 1998.
>
>He hasn't won a Super Bowl. I don't really fault him for that,
>as the problems with the Eagles are bigger than he is.
>
>I still stand by my "Peyton Manning without Addai and whoever"
>comment. Because Peyton Manning has choked in bigger games, at
>larger margins, and has bitched out on a bigger stage, but got
>none of the hate except from those who weren't paid to drink
>the Kool-Aid. The road to his Super Bowl win was mostly done
>by keeping him and his tendencies in check. If Andy Reid had
>the balls to do the same w/McNabb then maybe we wouldn't have
>this discussion every year.
>
>I find it hilarious that we even do, because I'd love to hear
>what Donkeys fans had to say about Elway.
>
>Just for shits and giggles, here are some comparisons for you
>box score reading dillweeds:
>
>Elway's career completion percentage: 56.9
>
>McNabb's career completion percentage: 59
>
>Elway's TD/INT Ratio: 1.33/1
>
>McNabb's TD/INT Ratio: 2.16/1
>
>Elway's career passer rating: 79.9
>
>McNabb's career passer rating: 86.5
>
>Elway's career postseason W-L record: 14-8.
>
>McNabb's career postseason W-L record: 10-8.
>
>Elway got his ass whooped in big games, including the greatest
>Super Bowl Ether of all time against the 1987 Redskins.
>
>He doesn't win those last two seasons, he's going to be talked
>about the same way as McNabb. 'Cism? Or just idiocy from the
>usual suspects.
>
>Note that against the original "Team Favre", here were Elway's
>stats:
>11/22, no TDs, one INT. Hardly the box score accompanying a
>goat, but a team that won despite the weaknesses of one
>particular player.
>
>So you can yuck it up, and talk about "worm killers" and
>whatnot, it shows your inner fagginess when you do. Andy Reid
>is not the master of winning a game despite the weaknesses of
>the team that is handed him. Many SB winners are. Including
>the 2007 Giants. Eli Manning was lucky as shit that dude
>caught the ball on his helmet that day, and he has never the
>kind of "leader" that unrealistic fans wish McNabb to be. How
>many times have you seen that virtual 12-year old on the field
>look like he's about to have some slide-whistle accompaniment
>to his on-field foibles or thrown away the game on a Funball
>or 3?
>
>As was said by one of the dillweeds here: the Pats don't get
>their Laserbeak/Buzzsaw on and we don't have this inane
>conversation.
>
>To condense it all:
>
>I don't think McNabb is underrated anymore, he certainly isn't
>"overrated", he just is....
>
>
>...better than whoever else you can line up except a very
>short list in today's game.
>
>PS - SPM, you suck, and I hope Allen Iverson breaks both his
>knees, faggot.
>
>That is all.



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264. "U have no concept of separating blame"
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Andy's whole philosophy sucks... no shit

But what you refuse to acknowledge is McPukes ineptitude when a play is there to be made and he throws a worm ball. First fucking play of the last game.

Shit happens to alot of qbs who are mediocre but I think you have a blind spot with McFag.

Case and Point: Arron Rodgers missed Jennings on a possible game winner. Next play fumble. He fucked up. There was a play to be made and he missed it. Most football fans see this as an error.

But when it comes to McFag and his unforced errors, I dont see u acknowledging that.

Its the ultimate team game. Andy loves to pass, but he has a qb whose strong suit is not accuracy and is very streaky. Thats not a winning combo. McFag needs the Sanchez treatment, no more than 15 attempts a game. But once he took that money he basically said that you can put the team on his back and he will do the heavy lifting. But he isnt built for that. His whole mental make-up is shaky at best.

McPuke's best chance at winning is taking a pay cut, so a D can be built and a dominant running game can control the game.

Andy's best chance at winning is being a coordinator(like Mike Martz), so when he forgets to run the coach can come slap him in the back of the head and the team can get back on track.

Eff both of them because they are both delusional and dont know their own limitations. A key component to being a great leader, which neither are.

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281. "you're still a faggy-ass faggot. cry about it, bitch"
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282. "Hey Hey Hey!!!!"
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So far you eaglites have managed to keep this amongst yourselves. lets not sending stray shots giant-ward eh.

This civil war (with provokation by cowboy fans) is making me glad we went out pre playoffs

  

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283. "it was a backhanded compliment"
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y'all know Eli's a dillweed, and don't get all crazy when your season tanks like Eagles fans do

and aim the barrels at the parts that are really fucking up (Gilbride, the defensive coordinator that just got fired)

  

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284. "Fair enough (sorta)"
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This whole eagles implosion engulfing the board is a bit sad from the outside because neither reid or mcnabb are going anywhere

  

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265. "How many Top 10 QBs' jobs are in jeopardy? Of course he's underrated."
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Still. He put up fantastic numbers this season, and everyone is wondering if Philly will start him next year. How many Top 10 QBs are under that scrutiny?

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266. "In this city it works perfectly..."
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We've been good enough for a while and everybody wants to blame someone. Reid isn't going anywhere. Plus mcnaab stunk up the last two starts. And we're all emotional now too after losing two straight games to the cowboys. It's him. Kolb didn't implode in his starts so he's got that going for him.

The perfect part is reid may have to sell low on him this off-season and nobody will call him on it.

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267. "Shit, fix your defense and run game and McNabb will be fine."
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268. "It's over. Trust me."
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>

It's past the point of no return with the fans. It's not just the 610 mob anymore. Even fans of mcnaab think it's time. For him and the team. The stupidity is just too much now. If kolb wasn't here it might be differenr, but you even get the feeling the team is ready to move on.

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269. "I feel bad for the guy. I hope he gets a better system next year."
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270. "I don't. I'm a fan of his.. LOL"
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>
He's the best QB this team has ever had. Hands down. By any metric. Stats, wins, postseason success.

But it's time for both parties to move on. Should've requested a trade last off-season when the benching was still fresh.

As a fan of the iggles I just pray kolb isn't bobby hoying II.

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271. "what category is Donovan McNabb Top 10 in currently? Lemme know."
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because it's certainly not QB rating (12th), yards (17th), completion percentage (20th), or TDs (15th).

I'm tired of hearing this spun as 'where else but Philly would people consider moving on?' hypothetical because the reality is this would be the case *anywhere* at this point.

Donovan has been the starting quarterback in Philadelphia longer than every quarterback in the league not named Peyton Manning (who has him beat by a year and change).

His last Pro Bowl was 2004.

He's won two playoff games total in the past *six seasons*, one win was versus Tavaris Jackson & the other win was with a 58 QB rating.

He is perhaps the worst two-minute-drill conductor of any full-time/non-rookie starter in the league.

He is also not an exceptionally accurate passer in a timing-based offense & the intangibles (team leadership, trust of his teammates, self-belief, submergence of self-interst for team-oriented goals, etc) skew more towards being minuses than pluses if anything.

  

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272. "Yards per game? Even if he's Top 15... who in the Top 15 is in jeopardy?"
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Eli's staying put. Flacco's staying put. Orton appears to be staying put. Matt Ryan's staying put. Even the Bears are looking at keeping Cut Dogg, and the Jaguars are keeping Garrard (sigh).

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273. "lol, none of those comparisons matter at all"
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Eli has a ring & just got a new deal last year, McNabb's on his 3rd or 4th deal at this point. He's basically where McNabb was at around 2005 or 2006.

Flacco is a first round draft pick who is on his second year in the league still in the playoffs, no one was looking to move McNabb in 2001.

Orton is staying put for lack of options on Denver's part & the coach will probably lose his job soon because of it.

Matt Ryan is staying put because he's the long-term future of ATL & has shown enough in his first two seasons to justify that, including leading a last place team to the playoffs as a rookie and being a part of ATL's first time ever having consecutive winning seasons.

Cutt Dog the Bears have to keep because they mortgaged their future on the kid & haven't had a decent QB since Jim McMahon. They owe it to themselves to see if he can turn it around.

Jacksonville, I don't know, they're just badly run I guess.

He's got one more year under contract, I'd rather see what we could get for McNabb while he's not completely washed up (in fact some teams might even buy into the false idea that he's still a 'franchise quarterback') & one of the desparate/dumber teams in the league might give us something of value.

  

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274. "Would you not at least concede that..."
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...this debate is not new in Philly, and that regardless of the contract situation or the individual particulars of the 2010 offseason, that McNabb has been on and off the hot seat even while being a Top 10-15 QB in this league, a situation that VERY VERY FEW Top 10-15 QBs ever find themselves in?

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276. "sure but by that token there's really no comparable situation, right?"
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This guy has been here as a starter for 13 years.

He ended the first half of the decade when he was arguable a Top 5 QB with the following three playoff finishes: 'horrible & tosses the final dagger pick-six in a conference title game his team was favored by a TD-plus in', 'even more horrible with more picks than points in by around 10', to 'throwing up in the Super Bowl'......<<<<<And this was when he was at his best!

Since then he's been here for *six more seasons* without being amongst the NFL's elite in any given year.

There's all kinds of other factors that go into it but I personally don't feel even slightly phased by at least considering moving on rather than committing to another season or even worse a re-up with this quarterback at this point in his career.

In fact I think it would be positively insane not to entertain the idea, which is why our insane coach/GM most likely won't.

  

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285. "It's not I don't understand why you want to try something new..."
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...if a bunch of talent isn't getting it done, sure, shake it up. I get that.

It's the underrating of McNabb's talent and what he's capable of that I'm arguing for. McNabb would be an awesome QB for a number of years for several NFL teams.

Then again, I'm always someone who's felt that it's not elite QB play that wins you a Super Bowl. You can win a Super Bowl with a system guy if the run game is right and the defense is right. But two out of those three elements MUST be on point to win the Super Bowl. And Reid runs the ball ten times a game as the Cowboys racked up yardage at will. Hence my defense of McNabb.

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275. "McNabb would be fucking sick in Denver."
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277. "cool, tell em give us those two #1s they got from Chi & it's done"
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