"Yo, I think the CELTICS are going to regret not making any moves"
during the half way mark...yeah, they got Nate but Nate, alone, doesn't put them back in the championship mix in my opinion. He'll give them a spark off the bench but that's abt it.
I also read that Pierce and Garnett and some other Celtic teammates went to Rivers and the front office and told them not to trade Allen...that they believed they could contend once they got healthy.
I still think the health issue wasn't their main problem. You can't get healthier but you can't get younger.
I don't even know who is the "man" for this team right now. Is it Pierce? Rondo? Who?
3. "They tried. There were no moves for them to make." In response to Reply # 0 Sun Feb-21-10 04:23 PM by SoulHonky
They tried to get Jamison and Butler but that didn't work out. I think the Warriors wanted Rondo for Ellis. The Suns wanted more for Amar'e. I don't think Kevin Martin is necessarily better than Ray or worth having to take back a bad contract like Noc or Udrih. They couldn't have even beaten the offer of a smaller deal like Warrick for Salmons.
I wouldn't be stunned if they looked to move KG this offseason but they weren't likely to do that right now and they couldn't get a deal that made sense in the present and long term at the deadline.
I would have loved it if they could have made a deal and gotten something for Ray's expiring deal but apparently the deals weren't out there.
7. "Ellis for Allen & House woulda been a good trade in my opinion" In response to Reply # 6
>Of course Doc's going to say that he didn't want a trade. >Tough to coach the team if you say that they can't win. > >The Butler deal was probably on the owner. The Wizards wanted >to dump salary and I could see Wyc and Co. refusing to take >back Stevenson's contract.
8. "The Warriors wouldn't take that deal." In response to Reply # 7 Sun Feb-21-10 05:00 PM by SoulHonky
And even if they did, Ellis and Rondo are a lousy backcourt. Teams would collapse into the paint and force them to shoot all day.
Then again, if the Warriors would have agreed to that trade, I would have shipped Ellis off in a heartbeat for Mayo and Thabeet. But they didn't want a pure salary dump (which is what they would have been) so that deal was never an option.
9. "that's a terrible trade wtf?" In response to Reply # 7
for a championship caliber team? You put a ball dominant combo guard next to rondo? That's crazy. What they need is Ray Allen to not play like shit and hope Nate can create points off the bench without hurting them defensively. their second unit is the problem.
10. "Ellis can play effectively w/o the ball, do you remember him on the" In response to Reply # 9 Sun Feb-21-10 05:12 PM by vee-lover
GS team that knocked Dallas out in the 1st rd? Baron Davis was the point guard and Ellis played well and he was only a rookie then...he's gotten a lot better since then. I think he would've adjusted his game to fit in with the C's.
As far Allen, what you see is what you get from him at this point in his career. He was up and down last year in the playoffs and I don't see that changing this year. He's 34 and he's not going to give you consistent play night in, night out anymore. Ellis, on the other hand, is a bonafide scorer and that's what the Celtics have been missing most this season.
4. "ray been ballin since not being traded" In response to Reply # 0
their problem has been that they haven't kept up the effort for 4 qtrs and health. plus it would help if sheed would stop jackin so many 3s and would move his ass in the post more like he did against LA.
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11. "I see them being a possibility for the Finals... the problem however.." In response to Reply # 0
..would be after this year with KG Pierce & Allen not getting any younger. Rondo seems to be the only guy that'll still be performing full steam 4 years from now with those guys being question marks as they climb upwards in their 30's.
24. "Allen might be gone and I could see them moving KG" In response to Reply # 11
Ainge has said that he doesn't want to sit back and watch the Celtics grow old together. I don't think the owner will let him trade Pierce but I could see KG being moved.
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12. "they definitely should've found a way to move ray." In response to Reply # 0
that expiring money was prolly their last shot for a while to significantly upgrade their roster.
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22. "and you're even dumber for even mentioning Nate as if he's going" In response to Reply # 20
to be the difference maker....
I heard some NBA analysts as well as Phil Jackson say that trading House for Nate won't benefit the Celtics as much they're thinking.
Phil said Nate is an instant "striker" and you need that coming from your bench. Nate is a better scorer but he often times takes too many ill advised shots. Eddie always played within himself.
25. "lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol this nigga said, and I quote, "Eddie..." In response to Reply # 22
always plays within himself." all the fuck he did/does is shoot the ball.
Nate Robinson is only being asked to do the same. Bring some scoring off the bench. Nate is a better scorer than house is. and ballhandler and defender.
Boston would not have given up most of these leads had they had someone with the second unit to score. He can and without anyone creating the shot for him, unlike house.
it was an upgrade for what boston needs and it will be impactful. Keep hating though.
26. "RE: lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol this nigga said, and I quote, &q..." In response to Reply # 25 Sun Feb-21-10 08:31 PM by vee-lover
>always plays within himself." all the fuck he did/does is >shoot the ball.
And that's what they got him for > >Nate Robinson is only being asked to do the same. Bring some >scoring off the bench. Nate is a better scorer than house is. >and ballhandler and defender.
yeah, but I've seen Nate play outta control and that has always been the knock against him...this was part of his problem in NY. > >Boston would not have given up most of these leads had they >had someone with the second unit to score. He can and without >anyone creating the shot for him, unlike house.
oh so now it's the 2nd unit why the C's have been losing. lol > >it was an upgrade for what boston needs and it will be >impactful. Keep hating though.
"Hate?" really? I couldn't care less abt who the Celtics acquired, they still ain't coming out of the East. LOL
Go ahead and put your faith lil Nate...as if that's all they needed was someone a good bench scorer...
27. "RE: lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol this nigga said, and I quote, "E..." In response to Reply # 26
>>always plays within himself." all the fuck he did/does is >>shoot the ball. > >And that's what they got him for
and thats what they got nate for.
>>Nate Robinson is only being asked to do the same. Bring some >>scoring off the bench. Nate is a better scorer than house >is. >>and ballhandler and defender. > >yeah, but I've seen Nate play outta control...this was his >problem in NY.
true, but NY is out of control in itself.
>>Boston would not have given up most of these leads had they >>had someone with the second unit to score. He can and >without >>anyone creating the shot for him, unlike house. > >oh so now it's the 2nd unit why the C's have been losing. lol
The second unit is why we BLEW LEADS.
>>it was an upgrade for what boston needs and it will be >>impactful. Keep hating though. > >"Hate?" really? I couldn't care less abt who the Celtics >acquired, they still ain't coming out of the East. LOL
ok cool.
>Go ahead and put your faith lil Nate...as if that's all they >needed was someone a good bench scorer...
ok you tell me stephen A, what all do they need? To become more like whatever team you think is gonna win it all?
32. "I agree with them not trading Ray, he's still very solid " In response to Reply # 0
At this point I'm thinking Ray Allen is being underrated.
For all the talk about him slowing down, I think he's averaging the 2nd most points on the Celtics.
I don't think there were any available guards that are an improvement over Ray.
He'll take a pay cut next year and hopefully they can find someone he can tutor for a season, then become the starter.
The ones they need to be worried about are KG and Rasheed.
KG shows flashes of his previous level, but he is definitely hurt and/or getting old quickly. Rasheed has been a bust and acts like he's waiting for the playoffs before he gets serious.
69. "RE: When niggas get L'ed up and don't show. they need to either get" In response to Reply # 48
>their username banned or at the very least get an 'L' above >their name like the 'ok' for a year LOL
LMAO! yo, we need to petition the mods for some ish like this for real. on some, u get a nice dash "L" after your username for a week (e.g., All Stah-L)
51. "you know an excuse is coming" In response to Reply # 50
It's amazing how dudes always have something come up right around the time of a big L. But if it was a big W they'd find time to post from a damn airplane.
55. "He'll wait until the Celtics lose." In response to Reply # 50
And then say that if they had made some mythical trade, they could have won it all. Right about now, the Celtics seem worse off for the move they did make.
The bottom line is that Ray has been huge and Rondo's taken the step to the next level and nobody we could have realistically gotten in return would have had the impact they've had.
56. "Lol that's literally what he did in the first round" In response to Reply # 55
He was silent when the Milwaukee Bucks had the Hawks up against the wall then came popping off after they pulled out game 7 against the Bucks acting like they swept The Lakers in the first round bragging how he said they wouldn't get swept in the first round after that Hawks ate the beat team out there next to the Celtics thread
75. "That he is...yo isnt it funny how..." In response to Reply # 74
Some of our major contributors in this team got overlooked by fans and media because they started to show their flashes of brilliance in 07? We im specifically talking about Rondo and TA lol
58. "lmao, how did i miss this?" In response to Reply # 0
robinson was as big of an acquisition as anyone made and as far as the Cs goes it was good short term by adding the third guard they needed and gave them a younger guy they could either re up or move. that's what i'd have said then and i still think it even though he has done nothing in the postseason.
he has been getting no tick since he came over really but how can anyone think he does not help them match up with orlando and, more so, the lakers? or that boston was out of shit, i mean i picked the cavs but it's not like i am SHOCKED the cs won.
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77. "Yo, I think vee-lover of L's is going to regret making this post" In response to Reply # 0
>during the half way mark...yeah, they got Nate but Nate, >alone, doesn't put them back in the championship mix in my >opinion. He'll give them a spark off the bench but that's abt >it. > >I also read that Pierce and Garnett and some other Celtic >teammates went to Rivers and the front office and told them >not to trade Allen...that they believed they could contend >once they got healthy. > >I still think the health issue wasn't their main problem. You >can't get healthier but you can't get younger. > >I don't even know who is the "man" for this team right now. Is >it Pierce? Rondo? Who?
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