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"Racist Bostonians Rejoice:Manny Traded to Dodgers..."
Thu Jul-31-08 03:38 PM by mcdeezjawns

  

          

"The Red Sox traded Manny Ramírez to the Dodgers late this afternoon, SI.com has learned. Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned."

"Manny Ramirez's stormy relationship with the Boston Red Sox appears to be over.

A baseball source has confirmed Ramirez has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ESPN.com has learned.

Jason Bay is going to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com reported. And the Pirates get four minor leaguers as part of the three-way deal."

  

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Craig Hansen traded to Pirates
Jul 31st 2008
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Dont get whiter than BAY!!!!!!!! Boston AND NY Happy
Jul 31st 2008
2
^SEES IT
Jul 31st 2008
3
How can Boston YT's not relate to this:
Jul 31st 2008
6
Wow, he looks like a white Michael Rapaport
Jul 31st 2008
7
LOL
Jul 31st 2008
16
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7143.jpg
Jul 31st 2008
64
Bay is really good
Jul 31st 2008
12
      better power these days but yeah
Jul 31st 2008
15
      As Kirk H. put it on the radio earlier:
Jul 31st 2008
24
      he'll have plenty now
Jul 31st 2008
54
      between Ortiz, Youkilis, Lowell, Pedroia, Drew
Jul 31st 2008
38
           Right.
Jul 31st 2008
46
                yeah
Jul 31st 2008
55
      and damn, Bay went to Gonzaga too?
Jul 31st 2008
25
      Canadian...he must play hockey too. Exceptionally white.
Jul 31st 2008
27
      I just saw that episode again a few days ago
Jul 31st 2008
47
           Hank, I'm not sure, but I think we are gods to them.
Aug 01st 2008
174
      ^Evidence of statistics vs. truth
Jul 31st 2008
52
           which is exactly what he said
Jul 31st 2008
57
           no, to say his #'s are basically = to Manny @ this point means just that
Aug 01st 2008
172
                lol
Aug 01st 2008
173
                ^^^said it all.
Aug 01st 2008
228
Hansen and Moss included
Jul 31st 2008
4
*Flips over and burns car*
Jul 31st 2008
5
again...
Jul 31st 2008
8
Bridges were burned, but Manny's holding the lighter.
Jul 31st 2008
11
WHen it was good, it was great, but when it was bad, it was awful
Jul 31st 2008
18
Well..we didn't get Artest in LA...but
Jul 31st 2008
9
i'm a little miffed
Jul 31st 2008
10
Bay signed through next year 7.5 mil in 09
Jul 31st 2008
13
      if this means the sox sign texeira or CC
Jul 31st 2008
17
           Where would Teixiera play?
Jul 31st 2008
19
                i prefer CC as well
Jul 31st 2008
21
                     why would they trade Youk? He's pretty short money for his production
Jul 31st 2008
23
                          i meant i prefer to keep him
Jul 31st 2008
36
important sidenote: the LaRoche bros. are re-united!
Jul 31st 2008
14
and so ends the free Andy LaRoche Movement
Jul 31st 2008
26
Dodgers got Manny! I'm dancing like this:
Jul 31st 2008
20
what did the dodgers give up?
Jul 31st 2008
22
LaRoche and prospect Bryan Morris for half a year of Manny
Jul 31st 2008
29
      LaRoach had his chances to show he could
Jul 31st 2008
42
dodgers petition to be able to play five outfielders at once
Jul 31st 2008
28
Jones doesn't count
Jul 31st 2008
31
lol..right...we really want Jones and his .036 w/ runners
Jul 31st 2008
32
      that would make me so happy
Jul 31st 2008
33
      or they could trade Either for a pitcher...
Jul 31st 2008
35
           that's insane.
Jul 31st 2008
131
                if you don't play Pierre at all..
Aug 01st 2008
136
      Jones would probably eat it first.
Jul 31st 2008
50
we got him for cheap
Jul 31st 2008
30
if not, the Andruw Jones contract strikes again!
Jul 31st 2008
34
JUMP AROUND, JUMN AROUND! JUMP UP, JUMP UP, & GET DOWN
Jul 31st 2008
37
hip me to the racist sentiments against manny in boston
Jul 31st 2008
39
Only O_E is truly capable of speaking on this
Jul 31st 2008
41
I can see the Manny and Kobe billboards right now..
Jul 31st 2008
40
was that when cars had Lakers flags on them too?
Jul 31st 2008
43
      it was when Magic was beating Bird in the finals twice....n/m
Jul 31st 2008
73
           how long ago was that?
Jul 31st 2008
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                look at who I said was on the billboard...
Jul 31st 2008
75
                     memories don't live like people do c. mos def
Jul 31st 2008
78
                     leave warren and his delusions alone
Jul 31st 2008
79
                          right...dellusions...lolol...
Jul 31st 2008
95
                               *checks wikipedia*
Jul 31st 2008
104
                                    2007-2007 western conference champs...
Aug 01st 2008
141
                                         i dont get it
Aug 01st 2008
149
                     exactly
Jul 31st 2008
80
                          what glory days are you living in????
Jul 31st 2008
92
                               if there is one thing we can all be clear on:
Jul 31st 2008
96
                               you had an arena full of Celtic fans chanting MVP
Jul 31st 2008
98
                               we can't teach an old WC new tricks, can we
Jul 31st 2008
99
                               not mad at all....that's the problem..
Jul 31st 2008
102
                                    3rd favorite
Jul 31st 2008
103
                                         If the Dodgers win the world seires the next 10 years
Jul 31st 2008
110
                                              your shtick is terrible right now
Jul 31st 2008
113
                                                   Look...you guys are the champs...
Jul 31st 2008
116
                                                        no one else is telling any story
Jul 31st 2008
122
                                                             you can't talk about any other season....lol..
Aug 01st 2008
138
                               oh Warren....
Jul 31st 2008
101
                                    cmon
Jul 31st 2008
107
                               there were plenty of celtic fans envious of laker fans here last season
Jul 31st 2008
125
                               Laker fans are being awfully cocky...
Jul 31st 2008
97
                               4 superbowl trips, 3 titles, 2 WS titles, and an NBA title in less than ...
Jul 31st 2008
100
                                    an NBA title in less than what??? Less than 30 years since your
Jul 31st 2008
108
                                         17 of em hangin from the rafters, so miss me with that shit
Jul 31st 2008
112
                                              you're the one that's mad...
Jul 31st 2008
119
                                                   Warren Warren Warren
Jul 31st 2008
120
                                                   Love you Warren, but....
Aug 02nd 2008
266
                                                        Nah, the year before when the C's sucked they were cheering Kobe
Aug 02nd 2008
267
its a sad day for me
Jul 31st 2008
44
now I can get an OFFICIAL jersey with RAMIREZ on the back
Jul 31st 2008
45
haha.
Jul 31st 2008
49
it will be the best selling jersey in baseball by next week
Jul 31st 2008
58
      seriously, lol n/ m
Jul 31st 2008
61
      i hope manny likes mexicans
Jul 31st 2008
62
           I'm sure he likes little mexican girls
Aug 01st 2008
225
I still rock my Mo Lewis Jets jersey for this reason. congrats.
Jul 31st 2008
53
thats great....manny being manny in LA will be hilarious
Jul 31st 2008
48
He will thrive..it's the only place that the fans will be as apathetic a...
Jul 31st 2008
51
      ^^^^hasn't met any latino Doyer fans
Jul 31st 2008
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           the Doyer fans are part of the reason I enjoy Dodger games while
Aug 01st 2008
142
dope move for the dodgers
Jul 31st 2008
56
RE: Racist Bostonians Rejoice:Manny Traded to Dodgers...
Jul 31st 2008
59
break our necks? Are you serious?
Jul 31st 2008
71
nah, I think Boston broke their necks to get of him
Jul 31st 2008
81
so wait, Manny is: a) outta Boston, b) not in the NL East & c) playing
Jul 31st 2008
60
although the sight of manny playing left in florida would have been fun
Jul 31st 2008
63
      the sight of Manny batting @ Citizens Bank *insert Fish games left here*
Jul 31st 2008
109
*sheds a tear for my Rockies stretch chances*
Jul 31st 2008
65
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 31st 2008
66
McCourt, don't you know we cant win only w/ pitching ? YOU NEED POWER!
Jul 31st 2008
67
How do the other coloreds (David, Coco, etc.) feel about Manny leaving??
Jul 31st 2008
68
RE: How do the other coloreds (David, Coco, etc.) feel about Manny leavi...
Jul 31st 2008
69
go ask them.
Jul 31st 2008
70
this is one of the only trade deadlines that lived up to the hype.
Jul 31st 2008
76
thats what makes it good
Jul 31st 2008
77
wow
Jul 31st 2008
82
hahahaha go to si.com
Jul 31st 2008
83
looks like a latino ice cube in the 80's
Jul 31st 2008
87
      hahaha
Jul 31st 2008
132
RawLA's response to this will be comedy...
Jul 31st 2008
84
he'll make his own post in 2 days breaking the news.
Jul 31st 2008
86
RE: Racist Bostonians Rejoice:Manny Traded to Dodgers...
Jul 31st 2008
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sweeeeet
Jul 31st 2008
88
Sad day when I am forced to cheer against a Canadian
Jul 31st 2008
89
yes yes yes
Jul 31st 2008
90
Best of luck to Manny
Jul 31st 2008
91
where's Harmonia?
Jul 31st 2008
93
colleti pulled a Kupchak
Jul 31st 2008
94
you mean alcs grand slam all star game mvp jd drew?
Jul 31st 2008
105
      overpaid soft pussy ass drew. yep
Jul 31st 2008
111
           world series champion jd drew
Jul 31st 2008
114
                takes it up the ass drew
Jul 31st 2008
115
                     The Lord hates sodomy
Jul 31st 2008
118
I might actually start watching some mlb games now
Jul 31st 2008
106
That's the thing though
Jul 31st 2008
117
      it's all about him excelling in LA
Jul 31st 2008
124
           I think he'll do really well there
Jul 31st 2008
126
BWAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Jul 31st 2008
121
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 31st 2008
123
yo, i didn't catch that. care to repeat?
Jul 31st 2008
127
ha.
Aug 01st 2008
143
Shaughnessy breaks it down
Jul 31st 2008
128
Shaughnessy has never broken anything down correctly
Jul 31st 2008
129
      the bullet points are dead on, and the ad hominem is to be expected
Jul 31st 2008
130
           But some are acting like there was as much bad as there was good
Jul 31st 2008
134
                we agree, which is why on here, the anti-Manny stuff..
Aug 01st 2008
135
                I'd be a little wary of Bay
Aug 01st 2008
137
                ^FURIOUS!!!
Aug 01st 2008
140
                In the grand scheme, the dumb shit was rather miniscule, which is why OE
Aug 01st 2008
139
***Edit*** Wrong place
Jul 31st 2008
133
NBC.com: Manny's toxic presence will drag Dodgers down
Aug 01st 2008
144
how did he destroy them though?
Aug 01st 2008
146
Goddam. Racism sucks. Wow.
Aug 01st 2008
151
*scans for mention of kent, sees none, moves on*
Aug 01st 2008
162
I believe there's an approving mention of Kent
Aug 01st 2008
165
Oh shit! Brilliant
Aug 01st 2008
164
Ventre's an absolute idiot 99% of the time
Aug 01st 2008
210
Kemp & Ethier stay gettin fucked
Aug 01st 2008
145
R.I.P. To The Last Good Pitch David Ortiz Will See
Aug 01st 2008
147
hahahahah
Aug 01st 2008
148
      Lowell's been punishing guys who walk Manny to get to him
Aug 01st 2008
150
           There's two things I'm worried about with this trade
Aug 01st 2008
152
                ortiz normally speaks up when manny gets dissed in the press
Aug 01st 2008
157
                     they're friends, but from what I've heard, not like Manny and Yoyo were
Aug 01st 2008
241
**O_E'S POWERFUL PREDICTION**
Aug 01st 2008
153
Thankfully y'all ain't gonna win the world series though
Aug 01st 2008
154
i pray we win
Aug 01st 2008
155
RE: i pray we win
Aug 01st 2008
180
Wait, then why did they still love Nomar?
Aug 01st 2008
156
Not a nigga, fair skinned, and assimilationist
Aug 01st 2008
160
      Also, he did this
Aug 01st 2008
166
      umm...Nomar's not in there, chief
Aug 01st 2008
186
      ^SO MAD HE CANT EVEN SEE
Aug 01st 2008
190
      No, its white people.
Aug 01st 2008
195
           Edit: I still can't tell if you agree with me
Aug 01st 2008
232
      wait...we loved nomar in '04?
Aug 01st 2008
168
           No. Not what I said, so be even more furious
Aug 01st 2008
200
                A. there was a caricature
Aug 01st 2008
218
you are a moron
Aug 01st 2008
158
and I predict when the sox win, that reaction won't happen
Aug 01st 2008
179
Well, you'll still be bald and furious, so I'll still win.
Aug 01st 2008
249
      you've turned into a pathetic caricature of your former self
Aug 01st 2008
250
           Not quite + O_E right + you still bald
Aug 02nd 2008
268
c'mon, Sox ain't winning a title this year w/the Bay for Manny 'upgrade'
Aug 01st 2008
240
greatness.
Aug 01st 2008
260
HAHAHA VARITEK MAKING 10.4 MILLION????
Aug 01st 2008
159
who is this y'all complaing about the contract you mention?
Aug 01st 2008
163
u know damn well u shouldn't be responding to this nonsense
Aug 01st 2008
167
I'm more concerned with how you get your spacing like that.
Aug 01st 2008
169
i've wondered that too, actually
Aug 01st 2008
170
      yeah me too
Aug 01st 2008
184
now you're just reachin at whatever you can
Aug 01st 2008
181
Manny leaves a nice Dominican fanbase behind in Bean
Aug 01st 2008
161
the raza will take care of him. he part messicano now.
Aug 01st 2008
178
Anyone notice this all happened post-Tavarez?
Aug 01st 2008
171
should have brought Julian back and signed Enrique Wilson
Aug 01st 2008
175
Wouldn't have helped the staff ERA
Aug 01st 2008
177
      consultant position
Aug 01st 2008
198
I didn't think about that, but it is certainly possible.
Aug 01st 2008
176
Boston Herald columnists are really spewing some venom
Aug 01st 2008
182
You gotta love Callahan...
Aug 01st 2008
183
that's some quality hate lol.
Aug 01st 2008
185
I'm sure most Boston fans love/loved Manny
Aug 01st 2008
187
Callahan is barely a columnist
Aug 01st 2008
189
And Callahan's not even the racist half of that show...
Aug 01st 2008
194
      Well, I'm glad they are all alone in the city of Boston.
Aug 01st 2008
203
      What?
Aug 01st 2008
205
      ^Sad Clown
Aug 01st 2008
252
      Dennis is a useless delusional assclown
Aug 01st 2008
251
           mikey adams is hilarious and worth tuning in for
Aug 01st 2008
264
Yeah they're pretty bad.
Aug 01st 2008
191
seriously, and even though they don't represent the fan's opinion
Aug 01st 2008
192
Yes, they are.
Aug 01st 2008
193
drunken potato eating bastards
Aug 01st 2008
214
LMAO @ these hoes BACKTRACKING
Aug 01st 2008
201
      you realize those 2 aren't red sox fans... christ you are thick
Aug 01st 2008
208
      I know, you dumbfuck. You still mad though.
Aug 01st 2008
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      no, you didn't. so, no it isn't.
Aug 01st 2008
221
      i surprised he's not still yelling about
Aug 01st 2008
217
      your revisionist history game is unparalleled, i'll give you that
Aug 01st 2008
253
so is the Herald like the Boston equivalent of the NY Post?
Aug 01st 2008
207
      It's owned by the Post, I believe.
Aug 01st 2008
209
      Well, that explains it.
Aug 01st 2008
215
      What?
Aug 01st 2008
216
      you seriously claim everyone else is mad, and then post shit like this
Aug 01st 2008
256
      really? wow, so it literally IS the Boston equivalent of the Post
Aug 01st 2008
219
           Like the Post, it's not all bad.
Aug 01st 2008
220
                No, the Post is all bad.
Aug 01st 2008
233
                The first one is pretty damn funny though.
Aug 01st 2008
234
                     completely with ms paint cut and paste and everything.
Aug 01st 2008
237
                          I stopped dead in the street when I saw the last one
Aug 01st 2008
238
                               it entertains me
Aug 01st 2008
239
                                    Yetserday the Post's headline was 'Pussy Galore'
Aug 01st 2008
242
                                        
Aug 01st 2008
245
                                         That story was on CNN, lol
Aug 01st 2008
247
                Massarotti seems like a douchebag too
Aug 01st 2008
243
                     Ha...you got me reading more Herald today than I've read...
Aug 01st 2008
248
                          I don't have a problem with the premise either
Aug 01st 2008
257
                               No argument with that.
Aug 01st 2008
258
      That's what I've concluded thus far in my years up here.
Aug 01st 2008
213
      its a tabloid
Aug 01st 2008
223
      my school used to have dozens of copies of the herald for free
Aug 01st 2008
236
           im pretty sure it is free, isn't it?
Aug 01st 2008
254
                after like 5 or 6 they usually are
Aug 01st 2008
259
      Except Rob Bradford
Aug 01st 2008
263
      its the same exact thing here in Boston
Aug 01st 2008
255
So Chris Truby is off the hook?
Aug 01st 2008
188
I don't get this reference...must not have been paying attention.
Aug 01st 2008
211
      It's an anagram for "Bury Christ"
Aug 01st 2008
222
           Haha. That's awesome.
Aug 01st 2008
224
                I read somewhere that he was aware of it
Aug 01st 2008
226
                From the guy responsible, Tom Nawrocki...
Aug 01st 2008
227
                     So like Buddy Biancalana before him...
Aug 01st 2008
230
                     I laughed
Aug 01st 2008
235
                     his baseball-ref page sponsor: Followers of the Great Demon Lord Zoth
Aug 01st 2008
262
^^^^WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
Aug 01st 2008
197
Nomar knows where Manny is coming from (LA Times swipe)
Aug 01st 2008
196
schill needs a muzzle.
Aug 01st 2008
199
      IMAGINE if Manny talked as much shit as Schilling through the years.
Aug 01st 2008
202
      truth.
Aug 01st 2008
204
      i love how he thinks everyone cares about his opinion.
Aug 01st 2008
206
           at least he used to just stick to baseball
Aug 01st 2008
231
                I'd prefer he stick to Kobe rather than baseball or politics
Aug 01st 2008
244
                     his best work (2004 not withstanding)
Aug 01st 2008
246
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/BDD_MR_gone_8.1.08_surette.jpg
Aug 01st 2008
229
im trynna find tickets for tonight :o(
Aug 01st 2008
261
Manny changed his mind
Aug 02nd 2008
265
Hmm. Story disappeared off the site. Lol.
Aug 02nd 2008
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      The link changed.
Aug 02nd 2008
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      you know what I want to do?
Aug 02nd 2008
271
      NOPE! MANNY BACKTRACKING, Not Boston OKP's
Aug 02nd 2008
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           .
Aug 02nd 2008
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                *moonwalks across the madness*
Aug 02nd 2008
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                     ^Mad
Aug 02nd 2008
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                     *hands out L-shaped dreadlock*
Aug 02nd 2008
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                          ^Furiosity killed the potential
Aug 02nd 2008
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                               ^Furiousity Receded the Hairline
Aug 02nd 2008
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                                    *smirk*
Aug 03rd 2008
284
                                    *smiles*
Aug 03rd 2008
285
                                         almost 300 posts, and 150 of em are just you takin L's
Aug 03rd 2008
287
                                    LOL @ fell violently in the streets of dorchester.
Aug 03rd 2008
286
                     "havoc"
Aug 02nd 2008
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                     *hands out another L-shaped dreadlock*
Aug 02nd 2008
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                          http://i34.tinypic.com/2ylodhx.jpg
Aug 02nd 2008
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                     i'm convinced you're in the closet.
Aug 02nd 2008
281
                     lol
Aug 02nd 2008
282

cereffusion
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1. "Craig Hansen traded to Pirates"
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2. "Dont get whiter than BAY!!!!!!!! Boston AND NY Happy"
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3. "^SEES IT"
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Thu Jul-31-08 03:42 PM by mcdeezjawns

  

          

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGP237~2005-Jason-Bay-Studio-Plus-Posters.jpg

  

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6. "How can Boston YT's not relate to this:"
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http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/players/07/11/first.person0717/t1_bay.jpg

  

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B9
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7. "Wow, he looks like a white Michael Rapaport"
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16. "LOL"
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Thu Jul-31-08 03:54 PM by Jayson Willyams

  

          

Jason Bay smiling like this: http://www.rumorsdaily.com/brd/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/michaelrappaportblackface.jpg

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YARDS

  

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64. "http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/7143.jpg"
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12. "Bay is really good"
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he's basically equal to Manny offensively at this point, and he seems pretty decent defensively too. pretty good trade for Boston all things considered.

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15. "better power these days but yeah"
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we don't lose much/any offense
likely better defensively
younger
cheaper

but...

we know that Manny can do it when it counts most...Bay's never sniffed a pennant race.

  

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24. "As Kirk H. put it on the radio earlier:"
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"When has Bay ever had an at bat that mattered?"


that would worry me

  

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54. "he'll have plenty now"
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38. "between Ortiz, Youkilis, Lowell, Pedroia, Drew"
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you got enough bats in your lineup that are proven when it matters.

you made basically a lateral move offensively in the middle of your lineup, and an upgrade defensively. if you're worried that he's not proven in crunch time, well, at least he's not a proven A-Rod-esqe choker either.

this is a good move. I'd be happy with this if I were a Sox fan (at least as happy as I could reasonably be with seeing Manny leaving town)

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46. "Right."
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End of an era, though. It'll take a few days to fully grasp what this means.

  

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55. "yeah"
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must feel strange, I can imagine.

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25. "and damn, Bay went to Gonzaga too?"
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Yes, there's no two ways about it. He's super white! © Ted Wasonasong

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27. "Canadian...he must play hockey too. Exceptionally white."
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47. "I just saw that episode again a few days ago"
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>Yes, there's no two ways about it. He's super white! © Ted
>Wasonasong

and I can't get over the delivery of that line, it's perfect.

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174. "Hank, I'm not sure, but I think we are gods to them."
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>and I can't get over the delivery of that line, it's perfect.

yeah that was great. Ted Wasonasong's voice trips me out.

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52. "^Evidence of statistics vs. truth"
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Manny's greatness is in his ability to deliver in the clutch, in addition to his regular season statistics. The difference between the two points is as wide as a river. See AROD regular season vs. AROD postseason.

To say this kid is "basically" the same as Manny from a numbers standpoint is misleading and incomplete ... his #s mean nothing if he doesn't deliver, as many consistently did, during the postseason.

The jury is still out ...

Carry on.

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57. "which is exactly what he said"
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we don't know if Bay can do it in the playoffs
but we don't know he can't.

  

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172. "no, to say his #'s are basically = to Manny @ this point means just that"
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his offensive production right now is basically at manny's current level. if you were gonna move manny, you needed to somehow replace his offense in the middle of the lineup, and this trade does that as well as is reasonably possible from what was available out there.

if you want to replace manny's ability to deliver in the clutch in the post-season, well, Reggie Jackson is not walking through that door, so I don't know what you wanted to do about that. and if you want to bring up A-Rod regular season vs. postseasn, well, Bay has no record of choking in October either.

and you haven't made the playoffs yet - you're looking up at Tampa Bay in the standings right now w/ the Yankees right on your heels. bottom line is right now you needed a bat in the middle of your lineup to replace manny's everyday production, and Bay does that pretty well.

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173. "lol"
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>Reggie Jackson is not walking
>through that door

Well said.

  

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228. "^^^said it all."
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4. "Hansen and Moss included"
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5. "*Flips over and burns car*"
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*Posts from Jail*

  

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8. "again..."
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getting Bay for Manny is a great job by Theo - thats about .95 on the dollar all things considered.. this is weird though


I'm sad... bittersweet with all the bullshit thats been going down



gotta think about all this

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11. "Bridges were burned, but Manny's holding the lighter."
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18. "WHen it was good, it was great, but when it was bad, it was awful"
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on some girlfriend type shit

When Manny was happy, things were great. But when he was unhappy( which was more than twice a season for extended periods each and every season here) it was terrible for the team and the fans

So, he got a ring, we got a ring
We got to watch the best right handed hitter of our generation have amazing numbers year in and year out

and now he can go get his money and play for "fans" that wont care if he takes plays/games/series off

  

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9. "Well..we didn't get Artest in LA...but"
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we probably got the 2nd most N*ggerish sportsman of the day..

Great move Dodgers...

I'm assuming we sent them Either...I hope we didn't move Kemp..

  

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10. "i'm a little miffed"
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I bet Hansen excels in a non-intense baseball environment. Moss never excited me much as a prospect. I'm fine without him--by the time Bay and/or Drew leaves, Kalish or another prospect should be ready to play.

how many years do the sox have on bay? how is he as a fielder? he's swinging the bat well and has in the past, but damn...we couldn't get a single prospect back in this deal? I really wanted Kemp also. oh well.

bay should do well with the wall and is clearly a defensive upgrade. i'd just like to feel like we got more.

then again, bay's gotta be cheaper than manny, so perhaps that means we can get CC on the free market. or texeira? that'd be nice.

edit: in a humor moment, his similar players list includes JD Drew. lol.
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13. "Bay signed through next year 7.5 mil in 09"
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17. "if this means the sox sign texeira or CC"
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in this offseason, i'm gonna be cool with it.

we'll have to see how Bay's swing does in fenway. hopefully well.

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19. "Where would Teixiera play?"
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CC? cool.

  

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21. "i prefer CC as well"
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if they get texeira, then Lowell probably gets moved. Or youk (I'd prefer youk b/c of age). For pitching.

but yeah, CC should be #1 priority. CC, Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Wakefield/Buchholz/Colon? wowow.

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23. "why would they trade Youk? He's pretty short money for his production"
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36. "i meant i prefer to keep him"
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but they trade him if it gets a star pitcher and they sign texeira.

wasn't clear. i'm very conflicted by this trade right now.

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14. "important sidenote: the LaRoche bros. are re-united!"
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26. "and so ends the free Andy LaRoche Movement"
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20. "Dodgers got Manny! I'm dancing like this:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynASX6PbNLM&feature=related

  

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22. "what did the dodgers give up?"
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29. "LaRoche and prospect Bryan Morris for half a year of Manny"
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42. "LaRoach had his chances to show he could"
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produce on the major league level..and hasn't shown shit yet..

  

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28. "dodgers petition to be able to play five outfielders at once"
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31. "Jones doesn't count"
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32. "lol..right...we really want Jones and his .036 w/ runners"
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in scoring position out on the field all the time..

They should release Jones...eat the contract...

  

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33. "that would make me so happy"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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35. "or they could trade Either for a pitcher..."
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and platoon Jones and Pierre...

  

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131. "that's insane."
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"“She lacks the indefinable charm of weakness.”"- oscar wilde

  

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136. "if you don't play Pierre at all.."
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you have no lead off hitter..

  

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50. "Jones would probably eat it first."
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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30. "we got him for cheap"
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I fucking love it. But they better resign him.

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34. "if not, the Andruw Jones contract strikes again!"
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37. "JUMP AROUND, JUMN AROUND! JUMP UP, JUMP UP, & GET DOWN"
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!sig!

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39. "hip me to the racist sentiments against manny in boston"
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are they like hanging life size manny dolls from trees or some shit?
or is it just implications and innuendo?

  

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41. "Only O_E is truly capable of speaking on this"
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The rest of us( especially Bostonians) are unable to truly grasp the realities of the situation

  

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40. "I can see the Manny and Kobe billboards right now.."
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maybe some commercials...

Just like we used to have the Eric Dickerson Marcus Allen Fernando Valenzuela and Magic Johnson Billboards off the freeways back in the day...

  

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43. "was that when cars had Lakers flags on them too?"
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73. "it was when Magic was beating Bird in the finals twice....n/m"
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74. "how long ago was that?"
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75. "look at who I said was on the billboard..."
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do the math...

  

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78. "memories don't live like people do c. mos def"
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They always remember you
Whether things are good or bad, its just the memories

of 39 point shellackings.

hey, considering its been a while since your last championship in LA, i've got some questiosn:

does it fade away over time? or does it always feel this good?

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79. "leave warren and his delusions alone"
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95. "right...dellusions...lolol..."
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I told you the Lakers would be back on top shortly after Shaq left....repeated it every year since.....and that's exactly what happened.... to the point where I'm picking how many games they would demolish the defending champions....

lolol..but I'm dellusional..

  

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104. "*checks wikipedia*"
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top of what?

  

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141. "2007-2007 western conference champs..."
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best record in the best division...

best young team in the NBA....

a brighter future moving forward than any team in the NBA..

We are the straw that stirs the NBA drink..

and you know that yourself because YOU are posting about the Lakers and not whomever your NBA team is...

See...I'm posting about MY team..

YOU are posting about MY team...

I don't even know what your team is..or if you even have one..

that's the dellusion playboy....you need to get yourself a team..and support it..ride for them....speak on them....and THEN you have earned the right to speak to real sports fans who don't waste their time or energy worrying about other people's teams...

  

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80. "exactly"
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I cant relate

I'm currently living in the glory days

not thinking back to them

  

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92. "what glory days are you living in????"
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try glory DAY ..singular..

Celtic fans are being awfully cocky considering just a year ago they didn't give a shit about their team...to the point of chanting MVP in their arena for Kobe bryant.

now you want to talk shit to real fans who have never abandonded their team..

glory days...lololol.

up until this last season.....you didn't have anything to do but think of the past, and be envious of Laker fans..

  

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96. "if there is one thing we can all be clear on:"
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no real celtics fan EVER will envy an LA fan.

ever.

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98. "you had an arena full of Celtic fans chanting MVP"
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a year before McHale traded y'all Garnett to put you back in legitimacy...

Let's be real.... before last season the Celtics where the 3rd most popular team in the area,.... and why??? because they weren't doing shit...lol. They were losing...they were not making the playoffs....their fans were bailing on them...

so enjoy your victory.... but at least be honest about the mass ship jumping that proceeded..

  

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99. "we can't teach an old WC new tricks, can we"
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let's be real...you lost...we won...you still mad about it.

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102. "not mad at all....that's the problem.."
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I know we'll be back in the finals shortly...probably this coming season....and I know that the Celtics will shortly fall back to being the 3rd most popular team in their town....

With Drew Bynum back...we're already a better team than the Celtics....

so no....Not mad at all...I like the hand we got....and I love the fact that I got this entire board tripping off the Lakers....Laker fans...and how the Lakers made it right back to the dance exactly how I said they would, when we had people on here telling me how much more talented an Igudala AI and Korver led Sixers where than the Lakers just 3 years ago...

lolol.... no...I'm not mad at all...

  

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103. "3rd favorite"
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because the sox have won 2 WS this decade.

because the Pats have won 3. Oh, and because Boston ACTUALLY HAS a Pro Football team.

yeah. details.
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110. "If the Dodgers win the world seires the next 10 years"
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>because the sox have won 2 WS this decade.

and after they move back to Los Angeles..the Rams win the Super Bowl for 10 years in a row...

This would still be a Laker town.... We don't jump ship.... Non-Basketball Dodger fans will curse you out for pointing out this fact to them..but this has been a Laker town for a while..and it will always be no matter what.


>because the Pats have won 3. Oh, and because Boston ACTUALLY
>HAS a Pro Football team.
>
>yeah. details.


lol... Well...we sell out 2 different 80,000 plus seat College Football stadiums in the same day on Saturdays....We love football in Los Angeles and have a very long history of supporting NFL teams..in fact, is possible our historical Los Angeles team will be returning if they are sold as rumors are saying...

but hey...Los Angeles is not going to agree for a publiclly funded football stadium....Not getting dooped by any billionaires like a lot of cities have done. The only way a stadium will get funded is they way Staples center was done..... California doesn't want things like schools getting shorted to build a stadium..... You know we like our schools here...and the Black and White children actually go to the same schools out here too....I know that was an issue in Boston up to damn near 1980.....lolol..

but I don't want to hate..

Hey..Y'all won man...I ain't mad....the Black Govenor they got out there seems pretty cool too..

but like I say...don't jump the Celtic ship this time...that shit was embarrassing man when the fans where chanting for Kobe...I felt bad for them honestly...lol.

  

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113. "your shtick is terrible right now"
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>and after they move back to Los Angeles..the Rams win the
>Super Bowl for 10 years in a row...

*pats head* lolol. ok.

>
>This would still be a Laker town.... We don't jump ship....
>Non-Basketball Dodger fans will curse you out for pointing out
>this fact to them..but this has been a Laker town for a
>while..and it will always be no matter what.

umm...unlike LA, boston's had a deep connection to the sox before the celtics. our baseball team wasn't a brooklyn transplant...but, yeah. details. the pats is new, i'll admit, but so?

>lol... Well...we sell out 2 different 80,000 plus seat College
>Football stadiums in the same day on Saturdays....We love
>football in Los Angeles and have a very long history of
>supporting NFL teams..in fact, is possible our historical Los
>Angeles team will be returning if they are sold as rumors are
>saying...

then it should be EXTRA embarrassing y'all can't keep a pro team in the city.

>but hey...Los Angeles is not going to agree for a publiclly
>funded football stadium....Not getting dooped by any
>billionaires like a lot of cities have done. The only way a
>stadium will get funded is they way Staples center was
>done..... California doesn't want things like schools getting
>shorted to build a stadium..... You know we like our schools
>here...and the Black and White children actually go to the
>same schools out here too....I know that was an issue in
>Boston up to damn near 1980.....lolol..

hey...remember when the Pats were gonna move to Hartford cuz MA wouldn't fund the stadium...oh shit. damn, homie...unlike in LA, when that happened, the Pats owner couldn't handle actually moving the team. in LA...well, I hope you get a team. i really do.

>but like I say...don't jump the Celtic ship this time...that
>shit was embarrassing man when the fans where chanting for
>Kobe...I felt bad for them honestly...lol.

i mean, the bottom line is you keep coming back into threads bringing that up like we give a shit about that compared to...oh...i don't know...embarrassing LA in the finals series. i really don't understand why. i really don't.

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116. "Look...you guys are the champs..."
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All I'm saying is be honest about what led to this.....

I'm stating the facts that the Celtic fans had jumped ship...to the point where they were chanting in support for a Laker getting MVP......Next, Kevin McHale trades KG to the Celtics...... Then you guys won the title this year against a Laker team that came out of nowhere to win the Western Conference ..

That's what happened..

the story that many Celtic fans...and Laker haters are telling is a very different..and very inaccurate story..

all I'm saying is let's keep it accurate...

  

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122. "no one else is telling any story"
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everyone else is busy pointing out kobe's reversion to teammate hating self-centered douche during the finals.

you're the only one talking about any season other than the last one.

lol.

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138. "you can't talk about any other season....lol.."
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>everyone else is busy pointing out kobe's reversion to
>teammate hating self-centered douche during the finals.

you sure are putting a lot on it...Your fans wanted to give the guy the MVP 2 years ago......Kobe has 3 rings...and has led his team back to the the top of the NBA....Hate all you want, but 2 years ago your own fans were on his nuts at your own arena


>you're the only one talking about any season other than the
>last one.
>
>lol.

you can only speak on this season, and pretend the cheering for visiting players and last place finishes never happened...

>

  

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101. "oh Warren...."
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>a year before McHale traded y'all Garnett to put you back in
>legitimacy...
>
>Let's be real.... before last season the Celtics where the 3rd
>most popular team in the area,.... and why??? because they
>weren't doing shit...lol. They were losing...they were not
>making the playoffs....their fans were bailing on them...
>
>so enjoy your victory.... but at least be honest about the
>mass ship jumping that proceeded..

  

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107. "cmon"
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be honest about the mass ship jumping that came after the celtics won the title...

  

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125. "there were plenty of celtic fans envious of laker fans here last season"
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when their team was embarrassingly bad. maybe if you were here you could have seen for yourself

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97. "Laker fans are being awfully cocky..."
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Since it's almost impossible to come out of the West two years a row and they are banking on 35 games worth of a kid coming back at full strength.

<-- Best 2nd baseman in the AL.

  

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100. "4 superbowl trips, 3 titles, 2 WS titles, and an NBA title in less than ..."
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LA Aint got shit on Boston

  

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108. "an NBA title in less than what??? Less than 30 years since your"
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last NBA title??? lol. yeah..you got me.... we've only won like what...6 titles since then..

and I'm not even going to get into LA not having anything on Boston...don't want to offend anyone.... but let's just say that LA has a ton of Boston transplants for a reason player..


and all I can say to Celtic fans is don't jump off the bandwaggon this time...even after your team is back out of the playoffs in a couple of years...You never know...Maybe Kevin McHale will trade you Kevin Love and Brewer for a first round pick, and a case of Boston Baked Beans....... or even better...maybe Cornbread Maxwell will be hired by the Cleveland Caviliers as their GM and trade y'all Lebron James..

You never know...

  

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112. "17 of em hangin from the rafters, so miss me with that shit"
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>last NBA title??? lol. yeah..you got me.... we've only won
>like what...6 titles since then..
>
>and I'm not even going to get into LA not having anything on
>Boston...don't want to offend anyone.... but let's just say
>that LA has a ton of Boston transplants for a reason player..
>
>
>and all I can say to Celtic fans is don't jump off the
>bandwaggon this time...even after your team is back out of the
>playoffs in a couple of years...You never know...Maybe Kevin
>McHale will trade you Kevin Love and Brewer for a first round
>pick, and a case of Boston Baked Beans....... or even
>better...maybe Cornbread Maxwell will be hired by the
>Cleveland Caviliers as their GM and trade y'all Lebron
>James..
>
>You never know...

Oh God Warren's mad

  

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119. "you're the one that's mad..."
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counting banners in that arena where they where chanting for Kobe last year..

you mad player..lol.

  

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120. "Warren Warren Warren"
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*head pats*

  

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266. "Love you Warren, but...."
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Are you sure that Celtic fans weren't mocking Kobe by chanting his name/MVP? A true MVP doesn't disappear in the finals.

Reading your responses... I'll have to agree with the delusional accusations. As long as Kobe on the Lakers, they'll not win another championship. If they do, call me on it and I'll wear a #8 jersey until they lose the crown.

If it wasn't the Celtics, it would've been another team (Detroit, Cleveland, etc) to beat the Lakers because Kobe fails when and where it matters most.

It's one thing to believe in your team. To love it no matter what. But to not see what Kobe does to it, and that they're doomed while he's a member of the team... I just kind of feel sorry for Laker fans.

  

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267. "Nah, the year before when the C's sucked they were cheering Kobe"
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True, the C's were terrible and there were more Laker fans than usual but still, it was pathetic.

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44. "its a sad day for me"
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Manny brought so much life and fun to the team
the red sox just got a whole lot WHITErrrr

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45. "now I can get an OFFICIAL jersey with RAMIREZ on the back"
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and I didnt even have to make the team. YES!!!!

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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49. "haha."
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58. "it will be the best selling jersey in baseball by next week"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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61. "seriously, lol n/ m"
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62. "i hope manny likes mexicans"
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225. "I'm sure he likes little mexican girls"
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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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53. "I still rock my Mo Lewis Jets jersey for this reason. congrats."
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*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

  

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48. "thats great....manny being manny in LA will be hilarious"
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51. "He will thrive..it's the only place that the fans will be as apathetic a..."
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for the most part

It's a perfect fit

  

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72. "^^^^hasn't met any latino Doyer fans"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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142. "the Doyer fans are part of the reason I enjoy Dodger games while"
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I absolutely can't stand the wack-ass Angels and their fake-ass Camden Yards Model 4080 stadium.

There is a genuine feel in Dodger Stadium. And I don't get nervous rocking Phillies shit in any baseball park........but at least in L.A. I get called on it and there's some good back-and-forth.

I was at Shea last week and didn't catch a peep from folks until we were outside after they had won and I was already in a cab. And that's New York.

I'm looking forward to seeing Manny at Chavez in about ten days when the Phils come in for a four-gamer.

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56. "dope move for the dodgers"
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I say we needed a bat more than anything. Our pitching is servicable even if they can be inconsistent. Manny's bat will be the bump we need in our pathetic division.

Depending on how Manny does and if we re-sign him, Colletti might've saved his job, lol.

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59. "RE: Racist Bostonians Rejoice:Manny Traded to Dodgers..."
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The thing that gets me here is that Bay, a good young outfielder with potential to sign a reasonable deal is available, and the Dodgers instead break their necks to get the older, name player.

I think all three teams get what they wanted, the Dodgers get an elite run producer with playoff experience o' plenty for their stretch run, the Red Sox get a good, young outfielder and the Pirates get four guys who they will later trade for four more guys.

One thing I think will show in this trade is that Manny doesn't have a small area/huge wall in left anymore. Get ready for more hilarity along the lines of his play in Anaheim a couple weeks ago where he wound up sitting on the ball.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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71. "break our necks? Are you serious?"
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Obviously I'm not thrilled about giving away LaRoche who will be a very very good player in due time, but it's not like we gave up the house to get Manny. We didn't have to part with Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Kershaw, Billingsley and only had to deal 2 players to get a stud bat in the middle of the lineup.

Now if you were talking about the Casey Blake deal, I'd agree with you because we gave away a middle-reliever in Meloan who would have gave us another great arm in the pen, and a catcher who's value would have been far higher in a couple of years.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

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81. "nah, I think Boston broke their necks to get of him"
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The Dodgers swooped in and took advantage of the situation. You gotta give up something to get something, but this is about as cheap as you're going to get a star player like Manny for.

  

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60. "so wait, Manny is: a) outta Boston, b) not in the NL East & c) playing"
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at Chavez-Ravine on a regular basis?

Call this a Win/Win/Win for the Red Sox-hating, Phillies fan, L.A.-living kid.

Allow 'The Curse Of The ManRimo' to commence!

Colletti and the McCourt's must have been sick of hearing about Texiera and the Angels all week, they've been getting killed more than usual the past few days.

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63. "although the sight of manny playing left in florida would have been fun"
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i prefer florida remaining with the status quo

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109. "the sight of Manny batting @ Citizens Bank *insert Fish games left here*"
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would have been far less fun.

I'm happy with the way this all worked out.

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65. "*sheds a tear for my Rockies stretch chances*"
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the revolution will not be inboxed.

  

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66. "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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67. "McCourt, don't you know we cant win only w/ pitching ? YOU NEED POWER!"
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finally we have a serious bat in the middle of the lineup.

I don't know wtf is going to happen in the outfield though....Kemp has to play everyday, Ethier imo is an everyday player as well, and Pierre has been giving us solid solid games ever since he returned from the DL. Most likely, the normal lineup will be Manny in LF, Kemp in CF, and Ethier in RF....with Pierre as the primary backup and Jones being deep on the bench.

I am dreading wtf he is finna do in LF....but hopefully we can re-sign him.

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<--The drought is over

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no_i_cant_dance
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68. "How do the other coloreds (David, Coco, etc.) feel about Manny leaving??"
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n/m

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69. "RE: How do the other coloreds (David, Coco, etc.) feel about Manny leavi..."
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>n/m

  

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70. "go ask them."
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76. "this is one of the only trade deadlines that lived up to the hype."
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in recent years.

  

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77. "thats what makes it good"
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you never know whats going to happen

  

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82. "wow"
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83. "hahahaha go to si.com"
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the cover story photoshop job made me laugh for some reason.

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87. "looks like a latino ice cube in the 80's"
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132. "hahaha"
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"“She lacks the indefinable charm of weakness.”"- oscar wilde

  

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84. "RawLA's response to this will be comedy..."
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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86. "he'll make his own post in 2 days breaking the news."
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85. "RE: Racist Bostonians Rejoice:Manny Traded to Dodgers..."
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wow here in LA huh? Him and Torrey?

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88. "sweeeeet"
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89. "Sad day when I am forced to cheer against a Canadian"
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90. "yes yes yes"
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like i said boston didnt deserve a player like him

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91. "Best of luck to Manny"
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Man, I really enjoyed watching this guy hit since he was signed and he's always been one of my favorite Red Sox to watch despite his antics, most of them which I saw were harmless and part of the fun of watching professional sports. I don't get very emotional about athletes. But he had to go because he wasn't really committed anymore and Jason Bay isn't a bad replacement for his 29 and 30 year old playing year and 2 months. Improved defense and somewhat similar #s who will be put into a better lineup and better park. I don't know how much to buy into the he only played in "meaningless" games has to do with anything - maybe I can see the NL issue - but a good hitter is a good hitter for the most part until proven otherwise. I'm looking forward to Jason Bay.

Manny has also agreed to decline arb. so LA gets draft picks if he leaves. And he's hellamotivated to get a contract now. The Dodgers still aren't as good as some of the other NL contenders but considering they are the bizarro Torre led 2003 Red Sox, I'm rooting for them...

  

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93. "where's Harmonia?"
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"“She lacks the indefinable charm of weakness.”"- oscar wilde

  

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94. "colleti pulled a Kupchak"
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So we trade Andy Laroche, a ho hum propsect I'm not too mad about, and another single a player for a Manny rental without carrying the load for the 7 million?

Someone pinch me.

this cannot be happening to my Doyers.

Say what you want about the offseason, which we can pretty much count on Manny going elsewhere, but this is a fantastic move.


oh and, fuck jason bay. he makes jd drew look like a man


plus we'll still get two high draft picks for manny leaving at the end of the season, assuming he will.




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105. "you mean alcs grand slam all star game mvp jd drew?"
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111. "overpaid soft pussy ass drew. yep"
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114. "world series champion jd drew"
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115. "takes it up the ass drew"
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118. "The Lord hates sodomy"
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106. "I might actually start watching some mlb games now"
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with the hope that Manny's arrival becomes the catalyst for Andruw's turnaround

without Barry, I need someone who's heavily hated on to root for

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117. "That's the thing though"
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Manny isn't really hated. Not by most fans anyway. He had a falling out with his team and probably the team had good reason to take offense. Media sort of hates him but a lot of it is story driven hate just like when the story driven love for high-fivin in Oriole Park.

  

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124. "it's all about him excelling in LA"
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if he shows out and they make the playoffs AND advance, it's gonna be sweet

seeing him laughing & all those working class Dodger fans cheering for him

haha

>Manny isn't really hated. Not by most fans anyway. He had a
>falling out with his team and probably the team had good
>reason to take offense. Media sort of hates him but a lot of
>it is story driven hate just like when the story driven love
>for high-fivin in Oriole Park.
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126. "I think he'll do really well there"
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I can see at home that he might have some issues with the park a little but he's playing for a contract now and just like at the beginning of th season, he'll find a way.

  

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121. "BWAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA"
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123. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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127. "yo, i didn't catch that. care to repeat?"
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143. "ha."
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128. "Shaughnessy breaks it down"
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129. "Shaughnessy has never broken anything down correctly"
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if you have to cite him you doomed

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130. "the bullet points are dead on, and the ad hominem is to be expected"
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The good vs the bad, and how Boston fans have had to put up with the latter for simply being provided the former

We Enjoyed Homeruns, clutch hits, WS MVP etc

and as a result had to put up with taking plays off, not showing up, fake injuries(including during a yankees series), and in the last month:smacking youk, pushing an old man to the ground over tickets, mailing in PH at bat against the yankees, and openly bashing the organization

He alienated himself from the org, his fans, and his own teamates in the past few weeks

and we still loved him

But it was time for him to go

  

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134. "But some are acting like there was as much bad as there was good"
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Which really isn't the case. Now, I guess I can understand the bad sticking out so prominently because he left the team on such acrimonious terms, and some of these people are Shaunessy, who you can't take seriously anyway. But the good Manny contributed to the Red Sox for over seven and a half season FAR out-weights a few times not running out ground-balls and fly-balls and about a questionable injury a year. Dude consistently fucking raked while he was in Boston, was the center-piece of two World Series teams, won a WS MVP, hit around or above .300 every season, hit more than 30 HRs and 100 RBIs every season except one. That's gotta make the dumb shit seem pretty minuscule.

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135. "we agree, which is why on here, the anti-Manny stuff.."
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...Is generally a figment of OE's imagination *waits for post calling me furious, shrugs*

We woulda been fine with Manny staying, though probably a little unhappy if he decided to shut it down for a few games again. But since we got a decent return in Bay, we're kinda okay with the scenario.

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137. "I'd be a little wary of Bay"
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This year statistically he's indistinguishable from Ramirez, but I honestly think both Ortiz's and Drew's numbers will slip a bit with Bay hitting in-between them rather than Manny. I know the day's when Manny and Ortiz were the carrying the lion's share of the offense are long over, but I don't think an offense without Manny is going to be beter than one with one. And while Bay's younger than Manny, he's not exactly young, especially for a guy that broke into the majors four seasons ago.

Truth be told, the Red Sox would probably make the play-offs this year with or without making this trade. But I don't this makes the team better in the long or short term.

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140. "^FURIOUS!!!"
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139. "In the grand scheme, the dumb shit was rather miniscule, which is why OE"
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consistently comes off as a giant assclown when trying to speak on Manny/Boston etc

But, at some point, a guy asking to be traded year in year out, and acting out because he's not getting what he wants becomes enough to justify letting him go

The smackin youk thing i'll let fly( Shit like that happens when guys are around each other as much as pro athletes are)
Pushing an old ass man down over some tickets he asked for last minute was some inexcusable shit, and just another piece of the puzzle

but constantly coming up with phantom injuries and mailing in performances countless times eventually adds up

Basically, eventually even miniscule shit adds up to weigh a ton

and it did here in Boston in the past week

I wish him nothing but the best, hope he achieves all his goals, and makes all the money in the world
and I hope he rightfully goes into the hall wearing the red "B"

But the relationship reached a dead end, and sometimes ugly break ups happen


>Which really isn't the case. Now, I guess I can understand
>the bad sticking out so prominently because he left the team
>on such acrimonious terms, and some of these people are
>Shaunessy, who you can't take seriously anyway. But the good
>Manny contributed to the Red Sox for over seven and a half
>season FAR out-weights a few times not running out
>ground-balls and fly-balls and about a questionable injury a
>year. Dude consistently fucking raked while he was in Boston,
>was the center-piece of two World Series teams, won a WS MVP,
>hit around or above .300 every season, hit more than 30 HRs
>and 100 RBIs every season except one. That's gotta make the
>dumb shit seem pretty minuscule.

  

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144. "NBC.com: Manny's toxic presence will drag Dodgers down"
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1. Even granting the dubious overall point that Manny is "toxic", isn't toxic with a bat a substantial upgrade for Los Angeles?

2. Defensively, I always thought Manny's problems start when he decides to start trying really hard. If you saunter after a flyball and pick it up off the ground, that's probably single. If you dive, fall on it, and roll around then you're dealing with extra bases.

3. I think it's odd that a national columnist who apparently follows a team in one of the biggest cities in the world is unaware that nobody cares what Jeff Kent thinks.

4. Somebody, an unpopular athlete is actually going to get cancer. And then everybody who called that guy "a cancer" is going to feel like a real asshole.

5. All told, this seems like overthinking the issue. Manny hasn't ever struck me as dumb, so I think he realizes how much money he has to lose by alienating yet another team in such a short amount of time. All he's being asked to do for the 2008 Dodgers is wear a uniform for two (hopefully three) months, bomb the hell out of an inferior division, and maybe enjoy the nice weather and beautiful women.

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Manny's toxic presence will drag Dodgers down

L.A. needed a no-nonsense competitor, not a freak show with talent


By Michael Ventre
NBCSports.com contributor

Dodger watchers will recall that last year’s clubhouse was a veritable demilitarized zone. On one side stood the proud veterans and their old-school ways. On the other sat the slacker kids, contemptuous of authority and dismissive of advice. And stuck in the no man’s land in between were owner Frank McCourt and general manager Ned Colletti.

This season, the situation has been calmed somewhat by the hypnotically wise presence of manager Joe Torre.

But on Thursday, a bomb was tossed between the warring factions. Its name is Manny Ramirez.

It only took the Dodgers a couple of days to return serve from the Angels, their rivals in Disneyland who acquired slugger Mark Teixeira in a trade that rocked baseball on Tuesday. The Dodgers completed a three-way deal with the Pirates and Red Sox on Thursday that brought Boston’s most notorious incorrigible since Whitey Bulger to Chavez Ravine.

In some ways, having Manny is better than not having him. His numbers have never been in question. For all his mental meanderings, he can smack homers and drive in runs, and he can do those things under pressure. The Red Sox would not have won their two World Series titles without him.

But he has a huge downside: He’s a toxic presence if he’s unhappy – which is obviously why the Red Sox washed their hands of him – and it’s doubtful he’ll be happy in Los Angeles.

The Dodgers feel as if the risk is worth taking, and they could be right. They’re going nowhere anyway. Without Manny, they’re liable to take the division title, but then get swept in the first round of the playoffs. With Manny, maybe they’ll win a playoff game.

Sometimes a head case can be handled, at least in the short term. The Houston Rockets no doubt feel that way after having acquired Ron Artest. The Dodgers believe Manny could provide the stick and the excitement to give this chronically mediocre team a needed lift.

But then again, people don’t change their habits overnight. For all his lunacy, Artest hustles and plays hard. He might be a problem at times, but his desire to compete has never been an issue.

With Manny, that is the primary issue. How does a major leaguer making $20 million a year possibly justify loafing to first base, or sauntering after fly balls in the outfield? Believe it, if there was any way to salvage the Manny situation, the Red Sox would have done it. They can see that the Angels, Yankees and White Sox have strengthened themselves, and the last thing they would do now is weaken their roster by letting a proven clutch power hitter get away.

No, he isn’t just whimsical Manny, goofy Manny, silly Manny, enigmatic Manny. He’s cancer Manny. He’s a guy who just doesn’t get it, and it’s highly unlikely that a trade to the Dodgers will suddenly make him see the light.

True, he will be in revenge mode. He will want to show the Red Sox that they made a mistake by discarding him so abruptly and so disrespectfully. That will last a week or two. Then Manny will settle in to being Manny again, and judging by recent history that is not a good thing.

What the Dodgers needed was Teixeira. Instead of a freak show with talent, they needed a rock. Somebody like Teixeira would have bridged any remaining gap between the youngsters and the veteran, and because everybody in baseball recognizes that he is a solid citizen and a no-nonsense competitor, there would truly be a pillar around which to rally.

Instead, the Dodgers got a train wreck with legs. I can’t wait until the first time that Manny does something that Jeff Kent thinks is unprofessional. You won’t be able to cut the tension in that clubhouse with a laser cannon.

And what of Torre, who has been a father figure to the likes of Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and others? The answer to that is: What is Terry Francona, chopped liver? He’s liked. He’s respected. And the Red Sox skipper couldn’t keep Manny from destroying a championship team.

The McCourts are from the Boston area, and obviously they spent lots of time watching and admiring the exploits of Manny Ramirez. So naturally they have fond memories of his slugging prowess on the big stage. But nostalgia can have a detrimental effect. The savvy baseball owner should have both eyes pointed ever forward. If Frank McCourt took a more sober assessment of the situation, and noticed the Brett Favre sign stunt Manny pulled the other night, he would understand that Manny’s only concern is Manny.

Manny wants a new contract after this season and reportedly has a highly inflated opinion of his own worth on the open market. Such players tend to bear down and produce when they know their own personal fortunes are at stake.

But in the case of Manny, he can play at half-speed, jog after fly balls, walk to first base when he should sprint while at the same time putting up sparkling numbers at the plate – and still drag an entire team down.

Just ask the team that couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

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146. "how did he destroy them though?"
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this is the part I don't get... they won the world series last season, haha... this shit is so comical

Manny calls the team out for painting him as the bad guy and they do it anyway


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151. "Goddam. Racism sucks. Wow."
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162. "*scans for mention of kent, sees none, moves on*"
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165. "I believe there's an approving mention of Kent"
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"Instead, the Dodgers got a train wreck with legs. I can’t wait until the first time that Manny does something that Jeff Kent thinks is unprofessional."

There's room for interpretation here, but it sounds like comfort with Jeff Kent being the arbiter of professionalism in the Dodgers clubhouse. Try wrapping your brain around that one.

Wasn't it Matt Kemp last year who pointed out last year that one of Kent's "these kids don't play hard" rants was mostly owing to a baserunning mistake costing him an RBI, since it didn't cost the team a run?

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164. "Oh shit! Brilliant"
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>4. Somebody, an unpopular athlete is actually going to get
>cancer. And then everybody who called that guy "a cancer" is
>going to feel like a real asshole.

  

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210. "Ventre's an absolute idiot 99% of the time"
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145. "Kemp & Ethier stay gettin fucked"
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Their is maybe not an organization in sports that brings along players worse then the dodgers... These kids started showing talent 3 years ago! They repay them with Luis Gonzalez and Juan Pierre signings, pierre made some sense, all Luis did was take away at bats and show them how to get away with juicing. Both play well again last year so this time they go out and overpay for the one thing they don't need a fat, unwanted, .200 hitting outfielder. So now you have Kemp and Ethier murdering the ball all spring but splitting at bats early. Now they go out and trade for a 5th outfielder?

I understand LA pouncing on this they gave up shit, BUT Torre needs to man up and Bench Jones flat out and have a 4 man rotation going on with Manny rarely getting off and Pierre, Kemp, and Ethier getting a lot of at bats... Kemp has an 18 game hitting streak.. The Dodgers also should have acquired bullpen help...

I can't BELIEVE Pittsburgh was dumb enough not to DEMAND Ethier in this trade



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147. "R.I.P. To The Last Good Pitch David Ortiz Will See"
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148. "hahahahah"
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how true is this? JD Drew turned into Ted Williams hitting next to Manny


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150. "Lowell's been punishing guys who walk Manny to get to him"
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I'm not really that worried.

Bay's obviously a downgrade from Ramirez, but the distance between them at this point isn't enough where I'd say Ortiz is gonna turn into Bonds in the last five years of Giants lineups.

Bay, Lowell, Drew...all not Manny, but all decent options.

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152. "There's two things I'm worried about with this trade"
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1) Will Ortiz's morale go down? Everyone knows how close they were, and even though he had supposedly become a cancer in the clubhouse (overblown most likely, but i do believe it given the events of this year), I think it could make Ortiz unhappy.

2) Will Bay be clutch? Honestly I'm not that worried about this.

Not worried too much about protection cause bay is almost as good offensively as Manny right now. Probably doesn't inspire much fear in pitchers, but still. Anyways.

  

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157. "ortiz normally speaks up when manny gets dissed in the press"
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he didn't this time...i hope its not because he's furious at how manny's been treated.

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241. "they're friends, but from what I've heard, not like Manny and Yoyo were"
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I think Ortiz is way too much of a professional to let it affect his approach and his mindset all that much.

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153. "**O_E'S POWERFUL PREDICTION**"
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If the Red Sox win the series in 2008...or..Hell..even
2009, I GUARANTEE WHITE PEOPLE IN BOSTON start talking
about:

"I like this championship team better than the
other two. This team had character and class
and dignity. They played with grit"

Translation: Less niggers, namely, the one with
dreadz who we built our other two world series
teams around, who we couldn't fucking stand, except
when he was at the plate being the best hitter
we've ever had since Ted Williams.

I'm willing to put MONEY on the shit, fam.


WATCH.


Look at how sympathetic white people were toward
Nomar.

Manny, who has EARNED FAR MORE RESPECT will get
none of that.

Watch.

Remember Red Sox fans talking about Nomar should
get a ring anyway?

How many will be talking about Manny should get a
ring next year if the Red Sox win the world series
this year?

With all the Youkilis dickriding from whites, Manny
has STILL BEEN THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER on the team.

Don't Pedroia me, white people. Pedroia is great.
Great 2nd baseman.

But he's not Manny.

Other than the pitching, Manny has STILL been the most
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154. "Thankfully y'all ain't gonna win the world series though"
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155. "i pray we win"
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just for how stupid that prediction is going to look.

edit: oh, who ever said pedroia or youk is a better hitter. any one who did clearly needs to go back to watching ice skating or some shit.

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180. "RE: i pray we win"
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>just for how stupid that prediction is going to look.
>
>edit: oh, who ever said pedroia or youk is a better hitter.
>any one who did clearly needs to go back to watching ice
>skating or some shit.

you know someone only said that in his mind just so he could bitch about it

i've never seen anyone make up more shit to support an argument in my life

but thats just cause i'm mad
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156. "Wait, then why did they still love Nomar?"
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It was Mia Hamm, wasn't it? If he was married to Maria Hammirez, would they have loved him?

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160. "Not a nigga, fair skinned, and assimilationist"
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Not knocking his hustle, but its true.

Manny could give a fuck about white people

He remind me of half the niggas in wash
heights

more niggerish even(in a good way)

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166. "Also, he did this"
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http://fireloupiniella.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rey-ordonez.jpg

Don't ever let them forget this. If they forget it, it will happen again.


But I gotta say, I don't think Manny "could give a fuck about white people." Manny seems like he could give a fuck about PEOPLE, in general. Like when he's meeting someone for the first time, he's thinking about his favorite color, or what his next box of cereal should be.

Or how to hit lots of baseballs really, really far.

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186. "umm...Nomar's not in there, chief"
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190. "^SO MAD HE CANT EVEN SEE"
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195. "No, its white people."
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>But I gotta say, I don't think Manny "could give a fuck about
>white people." Manny seems like he could give a fuck about
>PEOPLE, in general. Like when he's meeting someone for the
>first time, he's thinking about his favorite color, or what
>his next box of cereal should be.

White people often say the same thing about me, 'cept
I mostly act that exclusively around most white people,
because I don't actually care what the fuck they think.


>Or how to hit lots of baseballs really, really far.

Actually, this is what Manny thinks about most of the
time, because he's one of the smartest, most cerebral
hitters in league history.

Instead of focusing on this, you all focus on
the bullshit.

Like I said: you've made a caricature of Manny. \

Pathetic.

  

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232. "Edit: I still can't tell if you agree with me"
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Whatever YOU think about white people has zip-zero to do with what Manny thinks, and nobody on this board will ever know what Manny thinks about white people.

BUT I agree 100% about him being a cerebral, monstrous hitter. I just can't tell from your post whether you thought I was arguing for or against that.

I will hold on to like 2% of available brain power going to cereal, but the other 98% is set to MASH.

Actually, he should probably set it to like 90% mash, 10% LA breezies. THAT's why Manny is the biggest winner in the whole trade.

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168. "wait...we loved nomar in '04?"
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before the series?

that's news to me.

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200. "No. Not what I said, so be even more furious"
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But he certainly wasn't hated like Manny
has been

And there was no caricature painted




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218. "A. there was a caricature"
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b. he was hated more than manny by the fans.
c. he never pushed an old guy or hit a teammate.
d. he never tried to sit out series against the yankees due to an injury.

i mean, the fact that we didn't like Nomar should HELP your case. lol.

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158. "you are a moron"
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179. "and I predict when the sox win, that reaction won't happen"
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and you'll refuse to take the L by claiming, against all facts and popular knowledge, that it that reaction actually did happen

and then we'll all laugh at you again

and the circle of life will continue

  

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249. "Well, you'll still be bald and furious, so I'll still win."
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In fact, I win as long as you walk the earth,
actually.

So eat your veggies and take off your Youkilis
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250. "you've turned into a pathetic caricature of your former self"
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which actually does nothing but make me the opposite of mad

I have a smile from ear to ear each and every time I respond to you

  

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268. "Not quite + O_E right + you still bald"
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i mean, y'all have been relegated to backtracking
and separating your opinion from that of your management

hilarity

  

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240. "c'mon, Sox ain't winning a title this year w/the Bay for Manny 'upgrade'"
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Will. Not. Happen.

'write it down, take a picture, I don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuck!'(c)Smokey

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260. "greatness."
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>Remember Red Sox fans talking about Nomar should
>get a ring anyway?
>
>How many will be talking about Manny should get a
>ring next year if the Red Sox win the world series
>this year?

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159. "HAHAHA VARITEK MAKING 10.4 MILLION????"
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AND YALL MOTHAFUCKAZ BITCHING ABOUT MANNY'S CONTRACT?

Y'all deserve to CHOKE ON A POTATO CHIP

Not die

Just CHOKE for a second

What a bunch of DOUBLE STANDARD HARBORING
HOECAKES Y'ALL ARE


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163. "who is this y'all complaing about the contract you mention?"
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everyone on here has said 20 mil for a slugger of manny's HOF quality = a bargain in today's market.

when he was signed, it was the top of the market and debatable. now, its good.

and who said tek was worth 10 mil today? no one is defending his contract. he's old.

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167. "u know damn well u shouldn't be responding to this nonsense"
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169. "I'm more concerned with how you get your spacing like that."
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170. "i've wondered that too, actually"
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181. "now you're just reachin at whatever you can"
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you've become a sad and pathetic shell of what you once were



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>AND YALL MOTHAFUCKAZ BITCHING ABOUT MANNY'S CONTRACT?
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>Y'all deserve to CHOKE ON A POTATO CHIP
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>Not die
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>Just CHOKE for a second
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>What a bunch of DOUBLE STANDARD HARBORING
>HOECAKES Y'ALL ARE
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161. "Manny leaves a nice Dominican fanbase behind in Bean"
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178. "the raza will take care of him. he part messicano now."
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"“She lacks the indefinable charm of weakness.”"- oscar wilde

  

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171. "Anyone notice this all happened post-Tavarez?"
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From what I can tell, despite the Ortiz/Ramirez connection, Tavarez and Manny were actually closer. There were no issues between the team and Manny for the first month and a half or two of the season while Tavarez was there. Maybe Tavarez's crazy ass would have smoothed things over, who knows?


<-- Best 2nd baseman in the AL.

  

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175. "should have brought Julian back and signed Enrique Wilson"
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good call tho - may have helped

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Let us not forget that Tavarez fuckin' sucked.

  

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this is the headline article on BostonHerald.com. wow, that's that hate:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2008_08_01_No_Dodging_it:_Manny_Ramirez_just_a_bad__bad_man/srvc=home&position=0

No Dodging it: Manny Ramirez just a bad, bad man
By Gerry Callahan | Friday, August 1, 2008 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Boston Red Sox

A number of Red Sox players were asked if they could make the short walk to a tent that was set up just outside the ballpark and say a quick hello to the kids.

There were 32 teenagers on the trip to Fort Myers this year, all big Red Sox fans, all battling cancer. Two of them had just lost a leg to the disease. Many were making their first trip to Red Sox camp, and some would never be back.

Most of the players didn’t hesitate to visit the kids because that’s what most players do - the decent thing, the right thing. Jason Varitek went down, so did David Ortiz and Kevin Youkilis and, of course, Tim Wakefield , who quietly and selflessly does anything the folks at the Jimmy Fund ask of him.

They signed a few autographs and posed for photographs. They brought smiles to the faces of some kids who hadn’t had many reasons to smile. It was no big deal for the players, but a very big deal for the patients.

Of course, there was one Sox player who couldn’t be bothered to visit the kids because he never can be bothered. The kids loved him, but he didn’t give a damn about them. That’s how it works in Manny Ramirez ’ world. You serve him or you serve no purpose at all.

The tent was no more than 90 feet from the ballpark, which means Ramirez could have been there in 5.7 seconds, even going his usual half-speed.

But he declined this year, just as he has declined for the last six. And, as always, no one was surprised. Why should he care about a bunch of sick teenagers when he doesn’t care about his teammates or his manager or the fans who enabled him and apologized for him for 7 1/2 years?

Well, you can say goodbye to the bad guy now. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Maybe Jason Bay will not be quite the cleanup hitter that Ramirez was (then again, maybe he will be), but we know this much before he even takes the field for the Red Sox: He is a better fielder, a better baserunner, a better teammate, a better person.

He probably won’t fake a knee injury, or slap a teammate, or throw a 64-year-old man to the ground because he couldn’t make tickets magically appear. He won’t give the manager ulcers or spit in the owners’ eye or treat the paying customers like suckers.

Just a guess here, but the kids from the Jimmy Fund Clinic are making the trip to Chicago next week. Bay will probably say hello.

There was always something uneasy about the love and adoration that Red Sox fans showered on Ramirez. The hard-hitting half-wit was born with the ability to put a bat on ball better than most mortals, but that’s where his virtues end. He doesn’t play the game right. Too often he doesn’t play the game hard. He cares about his contract and his hair and not much else.

He didn’t care about the wounded troops at Walter Reed Army Medical Center this past February. When most of his teammates, including all of the big stars, made the trip to Washington, he stayed behind. Probably no one on the team had the ability to make a down-on-his-luck Sox fan smile like Manny Ramirez did, but as usual, Ramirez couldn’t be bothered. As usual, teammates, fans and media made excuses for him. Again, the great hitter was allowed to be a rotten human being.

In a way, Ramirez represents the worst of professional sports - a man who is idolized because he has one, God-given physical skill. Some fans who would boo a player for popping up with the bases loaded had no problem cheering Ramirez days after he assaulted Red Sox traveling secretary Jack McCormick, a terrific gentleman who is almost 30 years older than the slugger.

According to his old high school coach, Ramirez promised to buy bats and balls and uniforms - things he could have gotten for free - for his needy alma mater. Last we checked, 17 years after he left school for the pros, the kids were still waiting. Their idol, their hero, the man who has made almost $200 million since he left George Washington High School in the Bronx, just couldn’t be bothered.

Red Sox owners treated Manny the Mutt like Leona Helmsley treated her Maltese. This season, reigning National League MVP Jimmy Rollins has been benched twice by the Phillies for violating team rules. As far as we know, Manny has never been benched or suspended by the Sox. The owners literally knocked down walls for him, making the Sox clubhouse more comfortable for this spoiled child.

And how does he repay them for their love and loyalty? By calling them liars and backstabbers. By saying they don’t deserve a player like him.

And in the end, he was right about that. The Red Sox deserve better, and yesterday they got that in Bay. Maybe not a better hitter, but a better all-around player and a much better teammate.

In a way, Jason Bay has it easy. He is replacing a Hall of Famer, but when he walks into the clubhouse today, 24 players and one very relieved manager will welcome him like schoolgirls greeting Zac Efron. They’ll be happy to see him and even happier to see the bad guy gone.

Everyone can just relax and play baseball now. Manny is where he belongs. He’s a Dodger. The team formerly known as “Dem Bums” just got the biggest bum of them all.

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183. "You gotta love Callahan..."
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Corpse still warm, but he's going in hard.

  

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185. "that's some quality hate lol."
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though of course this article, like all the other postmortems I've seen today mentions how much Red Sox fans love Manny, I'm sure it will get turned somehow into evidence of how much the fans hate Manny.

edit: also, it's funny to compare the shaughnessy story with that one and hold it up as a Globe vs Herald thing. Shaughnessy is a massive douchebag, but at least that article had some nuance to it. Herald story might as well have been "MANNY BAD!!" repeated over and over for 1000 words.


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187. "I'm sure most Boston fans love/loved Manny"
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even if they were sometimes frustrated with him.

but gotdamn, some of these Boston columnists are some spiteful fuckers.

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189. "Callahan is barely a columnist"
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to put it in perspective, he's one half of the morning show on WEEI here

He's a racist old curmudgeon

but the message is the same, regardless of the messenger

  

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194. "And Callahan's not even the racist half of that show..."
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203. "Well, I'm glad they are all alone in the city of Boston."
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I'm so glad no one else feels the way they do
about Manny Ramirez in your wonderful city.























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205. "What?"
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252. "^Sad Clown"
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251. "Dennis is a useless delusional assclown"
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Anyone who thinks that anything outside of the 10-2 hours of EEI is listenable gets the gasface from me

Dale and Holley is basically the only intelligent show on the number one sports talk radio station in the country

the rest of awful out of touch old men who yell over each other for 4 hours a day

  

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264. "mikey adams is hilarious and worth tuning in for"
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and I like the Big Show when they have good guests: Merloni, McAdam, etc

  

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191. "Yeah they're pretty bad."
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I thought I was in a market with crazy ass media when I lived in Delaware and got all the Philly stations and shit, but once I got up here I realized it was a whole 'nother game. 95% of them are douchebags of the highest degree.

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192. "seriously, and even though they don't represent the fan's opinion"
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they still sway opinion too easily. they get taken less and less seriously every year though.

  

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193. "Yes, they are."
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>some of these Boston columnists are some spiteful
>fuckers.

Callahan isn't usually one of the worst offenders, but he's got that angry Irish thing when he wants it.

  

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214. "drunken potato eating bastards"
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>Callahan isn't usually one of the worst offenders, but he's
>got that angry Irish thing when he wants it.

LOL

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201. "LMAO @ these hoes BACKTRACKING"
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Now its Fans vs the media vs the Front Office

When I used to have this debate, these mothafockas
NEVER MADE those distinctions.

It was ALL:

"EVERYBODY WITHIN A 200 mile radius of Boston loves
everything about Manny Ramirez, nigger Orbit. Shuttup"


Now its:

"Well...yeah, I mean, the columnists are evil, and the
front office isn't that cool but we the fans? We're
AWESOME dude!"


Hahaha

Conflict in SAWSLAND?

Why don't y'all bitches CALL OUT YOUR FRONT OFFICE??

Hoes

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208. "you realize those 2 aren't red sox fans... christ you are thick"
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212. "I know, you dumbfuck. You still mad though."
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And my point is still valid

Address it, furious man




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221. "no, you didn't. so, no it isn't."
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217. "i surprised he's not still yelling about"
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how 'Royce Clayton' helped the Red Sox win the world series.

  

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253. "your revisionist history game is unparalleled, i'll give you that"
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>Now its Fans vs the media vs the Front Office
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>When I used to have this debate, these mothafockas
>NEVER MADE those distinctions.
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>It was ALL:
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>"EVERYBODY WITHIN A 200 mile radius of Boston loves
>everything about Manny Ramirez, nigger Orbit. Shuttup"
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>Now its:
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>"Well...yeah, I mean, the columnists are evil, and the
>front office isn't that cool but we the fans? We're
>AWESOME dude!"
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>Hahaha
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>Conflict in SAWSLAND?
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>Why don't y'all bitches CALL OUT YOUR FRONT OFFICE??
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>Hoes
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207. "so is the Herald like the Boston equivalent of the NY Post?"
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I always knew the Globe was the more prestigious paper, but I didn't realize the Herald put out such trash.

>Shaughnessy is a massive douchebag, but at least that article
>had some nuance to it. Herald story might as well have been
>"MANNY BAD!!" repeated over and over for 1000 words.

LOL - yeah basically.

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209. "It's owned by the Post, I believe."
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Same company, same tabloid format, same paper, basically.

  

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215. "Well, that explains it."
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Because nobody in New York City believes anything
written in the post.

In fact, everything they write is in direct contrast
to the greater sentiment of the city.


























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216. "What?"
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256. "you seriously claim everyone else is mad, and then post shit like this"
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god damn you're entertaining

Not in a good way

more in a, lets make jokes about that retarded guy kinda way

  

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219. "really? wow, so it literally IS the Boston equivalent of the Post"
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that actually explains alot.

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220. "Like the Post, it's not all bad."
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Tony Massarotti, the Sox beat guy, is a decent writer and a nice guy. And like the Post, the sports section is worth reading. But you take the columnists with a grain of salt, obviously.

  

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233. "No, the Post is all bad."
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Like, REALLY fucking atrociously bad.

Bad: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070627paris.jpg

Worse: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/original/nyp_surrender_monkeys.jpg

Holy fucking shit did they really do that?: http://www.minyanville.com/assets/File/PostCover060906.jpg

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234. "The first one is pretty damn funny though."
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The other two are disturbing, but I laughed at "V-D Day."

  

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237. "completely with ms paint cut and paste and everything."
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238. "I stopped dead in the street when I saw the last one"
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...thinking, some parents are gonna have to explain that one to little Sarah and Jimmy. WTF?

And yeah, it's 2008--photoshop is all over bittorrent. No excuse for hack-jobs like that.

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239. "it entertains me"
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the herald does the same stuff too. the headlines aren't as inappropriate, but are as bad journalistically (is that a word? if it's not i bet the herald and the post use it).

one headline i remember was about the former lieutenant governor, who was running for gov. at the time. it went like this:

(small print) Mass. Board gives Kerry Healey...

(MASSIVE Print) A SLAP IN THE FACE!


now THAT'S a legitimate newspaper.

  

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242. "Yetserday the Post's headline was 'Pussy Galore'"
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with a picture of a 44lb cat.

They got that 'listic 'TEGRITY!

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245. ""
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247. "That story was on CNN, lol"
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The media is batshit crazy, all of it.

  

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243. "Massarotti seems like a douchebag too"
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at least from his manny columns the last few days:

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1109339&format=&page=3&listingType=sox#articleFull

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1110178&format=&page=2&listingType=sco#articleFull

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1110407&format=&page=2&listingType=sox#articleFull


and besides the hate, doesn't seem like all that good a sports writer either.


>Tony Massarotti, the Sox beat guy, is a decent writer and a
>nice guy. And like the Post, the sports section is worth
>reading. But you take the columnists with a grain of salt,
>obviously.

well yeah, columnists tend to do schticks, so I don't take it that seriously. but still.

the Post's sports section is way overrated though. and like dude below points out, in general the Post is absolute trash.

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248. "Ha...you got me reading more Herald today than I've read..."
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...in the past five years.

>http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1109339&format=&page=3&listingType=sox#articleFull

I have no problem with the premise. He wasn't worth the headache anymore. Blaming Manny for trading David Murphy is a bit much, however.

>http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1110178&format=&page=2&listingType=sco#articleFull

Yeah, that's just a whiny rant.

>http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1110407&format=&page=2&listingType=sox#articleFull

*shrug*

He's right. Manny got what he wanted, which was out, and ultimately the Sox gave up a hell of a lot for it to happen. Certainly didn't want to see Moss leave the system...

But yeah, I don't read the Herald at all anymore, though I did when I actually lived in Boston. These days I'm only interested in two Sox writers: Peter Gammons and Sean McAdam. The others are a bunch of noise.

>and besides the hate, doesn't seem like all that good a sports
>writer either.

He used to turn up on WEEI radio quite a bit, and was usually the only sensible-sounding voice there, so that might have swayed my opinion.

>the Post's sports section is way overrated though. and like
>dude below points out, in general the Post is absolute trash.

But that's what makes it beautiful...lol.

  

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257. "I don't have a problem with the premise either"
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but the tone and language is offensive: referring to him as MARz, calling him a child, saying he has no pride or shame. manny is certainly worthy of criticism, even hard criticism. but all that shit really is uncalled for.



>>the Post's sports section is way overrated though. and like
>>dude below points out, in general the Post is absolute
>trash.
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>But that's what makes it beautiful...lol.

oh I understand the appeal. shit is still trash though.

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258. "No argument with that."
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> but the tone and language is offensive: referring to him as
>MARz, calling him a child, saying he has no pride or shame.
>manny is certainly worthy of criticism, even hard criticism.
>but all that shit really is uncalled for.

  

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213. "That's what I've concluded thus far in my years up here."
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Granted in terms of crazy Boston sportswriters, it's all relative, but the Globe at least attempts to give off the feeling of integrity. No such attempt by the Herald.

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236. "my school used to have dozens of copies of the herald for free"
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everyday, as a "benefit" of being a student there. we tried to push for the globe, so that our grads wouldn't be completely misinformed when entering the real world, but they basically said "but that costs MONEY!!!" Finally we got a few copies of the globe and times to read while sitting around in the student center and they did away with the herald.

  

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254. "im pretty sure it is free, isn't it?"
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259. "after like 5 or 6 they usually are"
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at least from what i've observed at south station for the past few years. in the late afternoon/early evening is when they realize they cant sell them anymore. before that they're 50 cents. they tried to stop giving them out for a couple months, but nobody would pay the 50 cents. lol.

but yeah, my school would get a shipment early every morning and that was the only paper on campus. and that's just garbage.

  

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263. "Except Rob Bradford"
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He likes to watch baseball and does a good job writing about it.

  

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255. "its the same exact thing here in Boston"
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Times= Globe
Post = Herald

One is worth reading, one is worth wiping your ass with
the type of people who listen to and call into sports talk radio stations are the same people who read the Herald

  

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188. "So Chris Truby is off the hook?"
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>In a way, Ramirez represents the worst of professional sports

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/images/2005/03/10/5SQFWFfY.jpg
/draws pentagram in blood

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211. "I don't get this reference...must not have been paying attention."
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What's the story there with Truby?

  

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222. "It's an anagram for "Bury Christ""
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Actually, it's evidence that if you're a huge geek and keep a dumb joke going for seven years it becomes funny just because it still exists. The BBTF Wiki on Chris Truby is gone, but the reference to "Chris Truby: Devil worshiper" started there. Basically, some dude chimed in on the discussion talking about how regular Americans are sick of players like Albert Belle making millions of dollars and acting like assholes.

Then another dude pointed out that Albert Belle always seemed to be the guy named in this sort of complaint about player personalities, regardless of whether it actually applied to Belle. To make his point, the guy said something to the effect of "If Chris Truby turned out to a Satan worshipper, it wouldn't be long before everybody was saying 'I'm so sick of these players like Albert Belle and Chris Truby worshiping Satan'".

And so, this completely random utility IFer who, by all accounts, does not worship Satan, was tagged with the epithet "Satan Worshiper" every time his name came near BBTF. There were also a bunch of weird coincidences, like his name being an anagram and playing on a bunch of terrible (and therefore cursed) teams.

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224. "Haha. That's awesome."
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I love when stuff like that takes on a life of its own. Wonder what Truby thinks about it...

  

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226. "I read somewhere that he was aware of it"
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Past that, I have no idea what his opinion on it is. I doubt he's thrilled, but since it's pretty much the only way a baseball fan in 2008 will talk about Chris Truby I suspect he has to reconcile himself to it somewhat.

I just hope he's not really religious. Then I'd feel kind of bad.

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227. "From the guy responsible, Tom Nawrocki..."
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I guess it wasn't on BBTF.

http://onepoorcorrespondent.blogspot.com/2007/06/devil-in-disguise.html

Chris Truby, an itinerant third baseman who played with four major league teams from 2000 to 2003 and has been hanging on with various minor league teams ever since then, announced his retirement from baseball today. Most of you guys don't actually know this, but despite all of my celebrated endeavors, the one thing I am probably most famous for is something I wrote and posted in the Usenet newsgroup rec.sport.baseball back in April of 2001. Someone had written a post deriding Gary Sheffield, Frank Thomas and Albert Belle for complaining about the size of their paychecks, and I responded -- quite fairly, I think:

When did Albert Belle ever complain about how much he was getting paid? Talk about a lightning rod for fans' complaints.

If somebody like Chris Truby was accused of satanic dismemberment, it would take about a week before people started saying, "I'm so sick of all these ballplayers like Chris Truby and Albert Belle with all their satanic rituals and the dismemberment and everything."

Ever since, among the baseball/Internet cognoscenti, any mention of Chris Truby is met with snickers about his diabolical nature and how his Dark Masters would help whatever team he was joining. Baseball Primer, probably the most popular baseball discussion site on the Internet, has a whole page up on this controversy, including a link to the original discussion. If you search for mentions of Chris Truby on Usenet, not even just on the rec.sport.baseball group, you will find that nearly all of them reference his satanic connections. I thought my little joke would remain comfortably ensconced among the few hundred baseball nerds who frequented rsbb, and I guess it mostly has, but I cringed when someone posted that they had met Chris Truby, and came very close to mentioning the whole dismemberment thing to him.

So let me take a moment here to apologize to Mr. Truby, whom I singled out because he seemed like a completely random, not very well-known player who would serve to make the point. It wasn't because his name was an anagram for "Bury Christ," or because there was also a bass played named Chris Truby for a Christian rock band called Living Sacrifice.

Sorry, Chris. I'm sure you're a hell of a guy.

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230. "So like Buddy Biancalana before him..."
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...Truby's fame (or infamy, more properly) far exceeds his merits as a ballplayer.

Says on wikipedia that he's coaching in the Pirates system, so he might be able to use his reputation in his favor. I can see it now:

Truby: "I told you to take the first pitch."
19-year-old: "But he threw a fastball!"
Truby: "The dark lord cares not for fastballs, only for your soul. Improve your OBP or suffer the consequences, mortal."

At least, that's how I'd play it...

  

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235. "I laughed"
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>Truby: "I told you to take the first pitch."
>19-year-old: "But he threw a fastball!"
>Truby: "The dark lord cares not for fastballs, only for your
>soul. Improve your OBP or suffer the consequences, mortal."

Michael Lewis could write a book on how dark magic is the new market inefficiency.

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262. "his baseball-ref page sponsor: Followers of the Great Demon Lord Zoth"
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"Followers of the Great Demon Lord Zoth sponsor(s) this page.

Biting the heads off live puppies and ritual goat sacrifice are why Chris Truby is my favorite player. The Great Demon Lord Zoth, Master of the Wicked, would be pleased. HAIL ZOTH!"


LOL

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197. "^^^^WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW"
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HOLY. FUCK.

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196. "Nomar knows where Manny is coming from (LA Times swipe)"
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Nomar sees it!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-shaikin1-2008aug01,0,4706958.story

Nomar Garciaparra knows where Manny Ramirez is coming from
Dodger can relate to being painted as the bad guy in Boston.
By Bill Shaikin
ON BASEBALL

August 1, 2008

He's got to be a bad guy, doesn't he?

The Boston Red Sox disrupt a heated playoff run by trading their cleanup hitter, paying the Dodgers to take one of the premier hitters of our generation off their hands, so you figure Manny Ramirez must be quite the disgruntled employee.

"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez told ESPN the other day. "During my years here, I've seen how they have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them, to try to turn the fans against them.

"The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy."

This could be Manny being Manny. Or this could be the Red Sox being the Red Sox.

"There's a lot of truth to what he said," Garciaparra said at his Dodger Stadium locker Thursday, two hours after the Dodgers acquired Ramirez. "I can definitely understand and relate. Maybe he'll be next to me , and we can chat and laugh about it."

The Red Sox rid themselves of a contract dispute by trading Garciaparra at the deadline four years ago, and they rid themselves of another one Thursday.

"Manny said he didn't want to leave there," Garciaparra said. "I didn't want to leave there. . . . Were we the only ones that have gone through it? There's a track record. I played with Mo . I played with Roger ."

The Red Sox have not cornered the market on bitter divorces with hometown heroes. Mike Piazza, anyone? Steve Garvey?

Piazza and Garvey prospered after the Dodgers abandoned them, and Ramirez could thrive in L.A. We love our entertainers, after all, and now the Dodgers have a left fielder whose Wikipedia entry includes a lengthy section entitled "Manny Moments."

There was the time he chatted on a cellphone during a pitching change. There was the time he took the field waving an American flag, on the day after he became a U.S. citizen.

On Wednesday, amid a flurry of trade rumors, he held up a sign reading, "I'm going to Green Bay for Brett Favre straight up!"

"He'll fit right in in L.A.," outfielder Matt Kemp said, "because L.A. loves things like that."

We love our stars too. Ramirez is a 12-time All-Star, with two World Series championship rings and 24 home runs in 95 postseason games.

He is here to hit, not to love us back. Charles Steinberg, who joined the Dodgers this season as chief marketing officer after six seasons in Boston, said he did not ask Ramirez to participate in Red Sox community programs, heeding the advice of two of his former teammates.

"He's kind and he's friendly, but leave him alone and let him play ball," Steinberg said he was told. "It's what he was put on this Earth to do. Don't interrupt his world."

He might be happiest alone, in the batting cage, with no one else around. No one questions his work ethic. Garciaparra said Ramirez would watch video for hours on end, would hit in the cage at 7 a.m. before a night game and at 7 p.m. after a day game.

"He's as gifted a hitter as you've ever seen," said another former teammate, Tony Clark of the Arizona Diamondbacks. "What gets lost is how hard he works to excel at his craft. His success is not an accident."

The Red Sox management looked the other way so long as Ramirez kept hitting home runs, and everyone smiled during two championship parades, but this year the Sox finally had enough.

Ramirez fought with teammate Kevin Youkilis in the dugout, shoved the team's traveling secretary to the ground and accused management of lying to him, an allegation owner John Henry told the Boston Herald was "personally offensive."

According to pitcher Curt Schilling, Ramirez expressed his unhappiness by not playing hard, and not only this week.

"You're taking the field with a guy who doesn't want to play with you, doesn't want to be there, doesn't want to . . . obviously effort-wise is just not there and that's disheartening and disappointing," Schilling told radio station WEEI.

Added Schilling: "I've always wondered how we came to be OK with, 'He's just not gonna play hard today,' and that was OK."

He ought to play hard here, for his own good. He'll be a free agent this fall, and he's playing for the last big contract of his life. That should be motivation enough.

He could reinvent himself in Hollywood too. If he carries the Dodgers into the World Series, he's got to be a good guy, doesn't he?

bill.shaikin@latimes.com

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199. "schill needs a muzzle."
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202. "IMAGINE if Manny talked as much shit as Schilling through the years."
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WOWOWOW.

They'da shipped that nigga back to the Island

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204. "truth."
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especially if he was a republican.

  

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206. "i love how he thinks everyone cares about his opinion."
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you're really one to talk on players in the clubhouse liking you, schill? really? I bet more people disliked you on the low than they did Manny.

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231. "at least he used to just stick to baseball"
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now he thinks he can comment on K dot obe.

  

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244. "I'd prefer he stick to Kobe rather than baseball or politics"
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at least he's on the correct side of those debates.

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a80

  

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246. "his best work (2004 not withstanding)"
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229. "http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/BDD_MR_gone_8.1.08_surette.jpg"
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http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/BDD_MR_gone_8.1.08_surette.jpg

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261. "im trynna find tickets for tonight :o("
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"“She lacks the indefinable charm of weakness.”"- oscar wilde

  

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265. "Manny changed his mind"
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/08/02/ramxedrez_changed_his_mind/

Ramírez changed his mind
Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + By Gordon Edes
Globe Staff / August 2, 2008
Of all the Manny moments in Boston, the last ranks as one of the most confounding. Within an hour after Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein informed Manny Ramírez he had been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers Thursday, Ramírez's agent, Scott Boras, called the Sox back, according to a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations. If the Sox dropped the option years on his contract -- which they had agreed to do if they traded him -- Boras said Ramírez would not be a problem the rest of the season.

For the Sox, the source said, Ramírez's pledge of good behavior only served as a tacit admission that his disruptive conduct of the last couple of weeks had been calculated, and they had had good cause to suspect more was in the offing if they did not trade him. The Sox told him thanks but no thanks; what was done was done, and pack plenty of sunscreen.

The debate over the merits of trading Ramírez was not going to end last night with a satisfying debut from the new Sox left fielder, which is what Jason Bay delivered in a 2-1, 12-inning win over Oakland. It was not going to end with Ramírez charming the LA glitterati, which he delivered, too, showing up in shades, a smile, and a No. 99 Dodger jersey, It promises to continue through the summer, over the hot stove of winter, and quite possibly through the day Ramírez is inducted into Cooperstown and beyond.

But for Jason Varitek, the pros and cons of that discussion are not terribly important. This was.
In that sense, Ramírez won. To get him to agree to a trade, the Sox had to waive the two option years on his deal. But even after letting it be known they were willing to pick up the remaining $7 million of his salary this season, the Sox were not overwhelmed with offers for the 36-year-old slugger. In that respect, it was reminiscent of 2003, when the Sox placed Ramírez on irrevocable waivers and any team could have had him for a song, and they all passed.

But while one member of the hierarchy expressed regret that the Sox helped Ramírez to achieve his goal, Epstein and Francona were clearly pleased - and relieved - that in the final minutes before the trading deadline Thursday, they were able to engineer a three-way deal with the Pirates and Dodgers.

"We were in a bit of a difficult circumstance and we made something good of it," said Epstein, who was in Anaheim two weeks ago when Ramírez balked at boarding the bus taking the team to the airport and a flight to Seattle.

"I heard about that," Varitek said. "I didn't see it."

The acts, and words, of defiance seemed to multiply quickly thereafter. Ramírez refused to play a game in Seattle, citing a sore knee about which he'd said nothing to the trainers. When he elected to sit out the first game back at Fenway Park, against the Yankees, ownership insisted on MRIs on both knees, and when those tests came back clean, it threatened disciplinary action if he sat out the next night.

That's when Ramírez stepped up the rhetoric - the "they're tired of me, I'm tired of them" diatribe, and the "they don't deserve me" zinger - and his teammates could no longer block out the white noise of discontent. That led to what Mike Lowell described as a "weird atmosphere."

"He's not a press guy," Lowell said. "And when you see his quotes every day, that's something different. I don't think it's surprising, but it was weird.

"If Dustin Pedroia said the same comments, we think he's a Martian. If Manny says it, people like it. It's front news."

Losing two of three to the Yankees, then being swept by the Angels, the series finale an ill-focused embarrassment, only added to the sense that something needed to be done. The Sox had lived through 2006, when Ramírez claimed patellar tendinitis left him unable to perform for basically the last six weeks of the season.

They judged a similar risk was at hand.

"It's very hard to tangibly evaluate how hurt someone is," Lowell said. "I'd like to, and still do, take his word for it, until someone comes up to me and says, 'I faked the injury.' It's kind of like Barry Bonds. Everyone has crucified him, but I still have to believe he's innocent until someone proves him guilty."

Was Ramírez hurt? "You don't know," Varitek said, "but it was clear he was unhappy here. And we needed a productive Manny Ramírez."

The Sox in the past had always backed off from trading Ramírez. This time they decided there was too much risk in keeping him. Epstein came away elated that the Sox were able to emerge from the process with a quality left fielder, the kind they expected would be in short supply this winter.

" had a remarkable run here," said Epstein after asserting he would not engage in finger-pointing at one player. "His whole career was remarkable. He is one of the best righthanded hitters in history, and no one can ever take that away from him."

The loss of that player, for David Ortiz, was hardly the cause for celebration. His answers were short, flat, and delivered without the trace of a smile.

"We got to fight through it," Ortiz said. "We'll see. Hopefully, everything will start going good, everybody moves on, and we go where we are supposed to be."

The words seemed to lack conviction.

There was no mistaking the belief in Francona's words, however, that better days lie ahead.

"We want an atmosphere," he said, "where good players want to do the right thing.

"I was very pleased. What we care about, all of us together, is our team, and I think we sit here feeling pretty good about our team.

"Either way, you had to get to this point and have some closure," said the Red Sox' captain, not long after manager Terry Francona and general manager Theo Epstein had trooped upstairs to answer questions about Bay's arrival and Ramírez's departure, not necessarily in that order.

"Either Manny's here or he's not," Varitek said. "It became more of an issue of whether or not he was going to be here. And he was pretty adamant he didn't want to be here.

"It came down to his happiness. If they had come to Manny and he said he wanted to stay here, he'd probably still be here. It's kind of out of our hands. I'm glad there's a resolution. There was going to be whether he was here or not."

Truth is, if John W. Henry had cast the deciding vote, Ramírez might not have been frolicking in Chavez Ravine last night. Henry, whose life has been defined by his mastery of numbers, was unconvinced the Sox would be better off without those generated by Ramírez's bat. But in the end, Henry elected to give his support to Epstein and his baseball operations staff, who believe they had no choice but to trade a player who was bent not on forcing the Sox to pick up his $20 million option for 2009, as many thought, but in their view was willing to do anything, including laying down on the job, to achieve the opposite outcome: becoming a free agent with no strings attached

  

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269. "Hmm. Story disappeared off the site. Lol."
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Probably because of inaccuracies

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270. "The link changed."
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/08/02/ramxedrez_lobbied_to_stay/

  

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271. "you know what I want to do?"
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keep going back and forth with O_E about the trade. FUN TIMES!

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272. "NOPE! MANNY BACKTRACKING, Not Boston OKP's"
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god this is fun

you took quite a beating in this thread

  

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273. "."
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274. "*moonwalks across the madness*"
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Let's look at all the havok I done caused

-Got y'all backtracking and having side conversations
about the illegitimaacy of Boston Herald just because
it communicates an actual sentiment in Boston that supports
my stance

-Got y'all backtracking talking about how y'all sentiment
ain't the same as the management, who clearly have an
unfair stance on Manny and traded him, even though
you said it wouldn't happen

-Got y'all plea copping, AFTER THE FACT, talking
about "it was a good trade. It makes baseball
sense," when y'all never said Manny should be
traded, because you guys know he should not have
been traded

-Got y'all avoiding the fact that VARITEK should
be the subject as MUCH CRITICISM IF NOT MUCH
MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE than Manny, because

Manny being Lazy and still being a great hitter>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Varitek underachieving and sucking


I mean, goddamn

All this havok wrought by one asiatic black hebrew
with a behemoth sized cock


And you're hairline STILL going back




  

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275. "^Mad"
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277. "*hands out L-shaped dreadlock*"
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Maybe you can get a weave and start a new
hairline with it.

Starting over




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280. "^Furiosity killed the potential"
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the angry old man schtick has lead to sad clown syndrome

oh how the mighty have fallen


  

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283. "^Furiousity Receded the Hairline"
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>the angry old man schtick has lead to sad clown syndrome

The bald old man schtick has transformed the hairline
recession to a hairline depression

>oh how the mighty have fallen

They say Boston had a minor earthquake when
your hairline fell violently in the streets
of Dorcester


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284. "*smirk*"
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285. "*smiles*"
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Just think: you can rebuilt your self esteem and your
hairline all at the same time



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287. "almost 300 posts, and 150 of em are just you takin L's"
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+958768483737585939937227585959

most assuredly mad

  

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286. "LOL @ fell violently in the streets of dorchester."
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<-- Best 2nd baseman in the AL.

  

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276. ""havoc""
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278. "*hands out another L-shaped dreadlock*"
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I got plenty

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279. "http://i34.tinypic.com/2ylodhx.jpg"
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http://i34.tinypic.com/2ylodhx.jpg

  

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281. "i'm convinced you're in the closet."
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>All this havok wrought by one asiatic black hebrew
>with a behemoth sized cock
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282. "lol"
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>
>
>And you're hairline STILL going back

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