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"Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than Kobe?"


          

Show yourself and in turn play yourself, so that the rest of us in the real world can identify you from here on out.

I laugh at you delusional assholes.

Fuck y'all and the horses you rode in on.

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CMON ...son
May 09th 2008
1
I mean cmon
May 09th 2008
2
      I'm sorry....cmon
May 09th 2008
3
           Really, c'mon
Jun 18th 2008
410
                nom'c
Jun 18th 2008
413
RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K...
May 09th 2008
4
*yawn*
May 09th 2008
5
They losing it shells
May 09th 2008
6
      Speaking of losing...
May 09th 2008
7
      don't talk in codes ryan
May 09th 2008
9
           cmon
May 09th 2008
31
      halfway through the second round. what an epic L for us
May 09th 2008
25
           lebron cant carry a team by himself
May 09th 2008
50
ThaTruth is stranger than fiction...
May 09th 2008
8
^^^deserves a scarlet F
May 09th 2008
10
and you notice they blaming everybody but Lebron
May 09th 2008
11
that's my only issue..
May 09th 2008
32
kinda early for this ain't it
May 09th 2008
12
teehee!
May 09th 2008
13
I dont really have a horse in this one
May 09th 2008
14
hence the point that this was an easier matchup for the C's
May 09th 2008
15
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves
May 09th 2008
17
      i thought that after i posted it, but u can definitely see what i mean
May 09th 2008
None of that really is the point...
May 09th 2008
16
Oh, I know
May 09th 2008
19
      but the ? is when LeBron does that... what role did Mike Brown play?
May 09th 2008
34
           The Cavs are decent because of Bron
May 09th 2008
59
                Ok fine but is LeBron responsible for his performances or not?
May 09th 2008
65
                     RE: is LeBron responsible for his performances or not?
May 09th 2008
66
                          fair enuff
May 09th 2008
67
I gotta cosign Ernie on this one.
May 09th 2008
24
      would kobe even be playing?
May 09th 2008
27
      There's no way a team could consistently give Kobe open looks...
May 09th 2008
28
      I also got to agree
May 09th 2008
39
Kobe would never have 2 horrendous shooting nights in a row
May 09th 2008
18
lol
May 09th 2008
22
um, kobe's had consecutive horrendous shooting nights...
May 09th 2008
29
      35% is a long ways from 19%
May 09th 2008
30
      Right. Bron would kill for 35% right now
May 09th 2008
33
      he would also kill to be surrounded by 3 HOFers
May 09th 2008
74
           Kobe is surrounded by 3 HOFer's now?? lol
May 09th 2008
76
           I'm referring to the '04 finals
May 09th 2008
82
                So you're counting Karl Malone who DIDN'T PLAY and GP who...
May 09th 2008
83
                     Basically... shit I'd rather have Pau and LO
May 09th 2008
85
                     post #78
May 09th 2008
89
                          ^^^dat tegrity based ether
May 09th 2008
93
           3 HOFers won't make Bron a better jump shooter
May 09th 2008
112
                they would, however, change the celtics defense
May 09th 2008
113
                     but would Lebron be Lebron then? Part of the reason he gets the hype...
May 09th 2008
114
                          yeah, he'd probably average a double double
May 09th 2008
115
                          you mean like Kobe's did?
May 09th 2008
117
                               basically. n/m
May 09th 2008
118
      one should never shoot 35% when you're surrounded by
May 10th 2008
159
      How did he look in those other 3 finals ?
May 09th 2008
35
           Best Supporting Actor Titles, cmon?
May 09th 2008
43
           Cry => http://i1.tinypic.com/8aft5r5.jpg
May 09th 2008
46
                SHAQ DEISEL....NUFF SAID
May 09th 2008
49
                     Cry more => http://i19.tinypic.com/5y0681j.jpg
May 09th 2008
52
                          are you trying to prove my point son?
May 09th 2008
55
                               lmao, dude thought he hit you with some ether there
May 09th 2008
62
                               that would require that you had one to begin with
May 09th 2008
64
           Cmon, pippenomics is a zero sum game
May 09th 2008
44
                !!!
May 09th 2008
45
                hahaha, i love this cat's kobe hate, that shit is always quality
May 10th 2008
160
^^he right
May 09th 2008
20
LeBRICK!
May 09th 2008
21
NOPE! Pau makin him better, Bynum made him better
May 09th 2008
23
bron playing the best team in the L with no supporting cast
May 09th 2008
26
c'mon man.. you slippin.. you forgot this.. => FOH!
May 09th 2008
37
exactly
May 09th 2008
41
basically
May 09th 2008
116
LOL this is great now all the willie haters no where to be found
May 09th 2008
36
*looks at first 10 posts*
May 09th 2008
38
the OG "which one of yall" post had like 400+ replies
May 09th 2008
40
      Mr. Luva, Luva...
May 09th 2008
47
      maybe it has something to do with responding to bait?
May 09th 2008
53
           maybe you shouldn't
May 09th 2008
54
           *yawn*
May 09th 2008
72
lol, your avi is hilarious
May 09th 2008
42
      i was waitin on someone to pull up the original,
May 09th 2008
48
           i attempted but it got locked
May 09th 2008
51
                It did? Fuck, Mobutu Mods Are Locking Everything This Postseason
May 09th 2008
60
                     *DEAD*@ MOBUTU MODS
May 09th 2008
63
                     LOL @ Mobutu....son...they gettin their Mugabe on too...nm
May 09th 2008
130
You have to admit, LeBron's game has a big flaw in it
May 09th 2008
56
^^^post should have ended here
May 30th 2008
289
Son, you was really supposed to keep this trump card in your back
May 09th 2008
57
*Blushes In Recognition Of The Highest Form Of Flattery*
May 09th 2008
58
counting chickens before they hatch
May 09th 2008
61
      WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!!!! (c) that anti drug commercial
May 09th 2008
68
           I'm not worried about Ryan M, only M. Ryan!
May 09th 2008
70
           that worked perfectly didnt it
May 30th 2008
296
           ^^^admits to following the hate brigade like a little brother
May 09th 2008
71
You setting yourself up for a ridiculous ^^^^^^^^
May 09th 2008
69
I'm sure the mods will lock and hide it like they did the original post
May 09th 2008
73
Yea, you were wrong bout that
Jun 14th 2008
384
Agree. Right now, yes Kobe's better. Near future, no.
May 09th 2008
79
I can't wait for bron to be surrounded by players that are actually
May 09th 2008
75
I think if Utah and Cleveland met in the Finals...
May 09th 2008
77
He's playing with an all-star center and a multi-DPOY PF
May 09th 2008
78
C'MON
May 09th 2008
80
really is Pau that much better overall than Ilgauskas?
May 09th 2008
87
      Z is underrated but Pau is a notch above him.
May 09th 2008
92
      its a wash, Gasol is a little better offensive but Z is more of a presen...
May 09th 2008
95
           lmao
May 09th 2008
97
           cmon...truth has had me dying all day
May 09th 2008
98
                He really is killin it today
May 09th 2008
101
          
May 09th 2008
110
           foh
May 09th 2008
119
           LMAO, O puuulllleeeeeeeeeeeease
May 09th 2008
128
      YES. FUCK YES. FUUUUUUUUCK YES.
May 10th 2008
152
      Not only is he better now, at no point has Z been as good
May 19th 2008
276
...from 2003
May 09th 2008
81
BWHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
May 09th 2008
84
LOL
May 09th 2008
88
LMAO, he got caught twice!!!
May 09th 2008
94
yeah because its the exactly the same, Karl Malone being INJURED...
May 09th 2008
96
      You referenced Paytons "steep decline"
May 09th 2008
99
      but Ben still PLAYED in game 1, right?
May 09th 2008
104
           but Payton still PLAYED the entire series, right
May 09th 2008
106
                ^^^Ernest Lee w/ the Contra Spray 'L' gun^^^
May 09th 2008
121
                the point is in post#74 dude said Kobe was surrounded by 3 HOF'ers...
May 09th 2008
124
                     and you said Wallace is a 4 time DPOY like he's still good
May 09th 2008
127
                          What about Z? is he washed up too?
May 09th 2008
129
                               ^^^bobs, weaves, still gets hit with L
May 09th 2008
131
      ^^^just made it even WORSE
May 09th 2008
102
           he played 31 minutes in game 1 when Lebron was 2 for 18
May 09th 2008
105
                quick multiple choice:
May 09th 2008
107
                And he's been on a "steep decline" since 2006.
May 09th 2008
108
                     and he clearly isn't "perfectly healthy"
May 09th 2008
109
                          At least ThaTruth doesnt take his name literally
May 09th 2008
111
                               cmon, he's one of the few here that actually knows + understands ball...
May 10th 2008
161
and he posted those within 6 minutes of each other
May 09th 2008
100
AND he's trying to defend it
May 09th 2008
103
C also CWebb
May 09th 2008
120
And an All-Star SF and a fellow #1 overall
May 09th 2008
86
And a former MAC Player of The Year!!!!
May 09th 2008
90
      I think this proves that LeBron needed to go to college
May 09th 2008
91
If Kobe woke up on morning with Lebron's supporting cast...
May 09th 2008
142
      he already has
May 19th 2008
236
           ...in the first round.
May 19th 2008
242
                *yawns*
May 19th 2008
248
                     And Kobe lead his group of losers to a chip, right?
May 19th 2008
260
i feel ya, i agree, but grant kobe the same reasoning when he
May 09th 2008
122
      RE: i feel ya, i agree, but grant kobe the same reasoning when he
May 12th 2008
174
           odom missed half the season and your argument is trash
May 19th 2008
239
LOL
May 09th 2008
123
I already said my piece on this in the first Lebron/Kobe post
May 09th 2008
125
^^^a learned scholar's treatise
May 09th 2008
126
I disagree...
May 09th 2008
133
I might ride with the assist rationale
May 09th 2008
135
      the triangle hurts assist numbers according to kobestans
May 09th 2008
138
      Would LeBron Ames even fit in the triangle?
May 09th 2008
140
      MJ stats dropped across the board when his teammates got better...
May 09th 2008
139
           Uh...no:
May 12th 2008
169
Auragin Boy: proud graduate of TALKIN BOUT IT University
May 09th 2008
134
the only thing is at least cleveland bums could play defense
May 09th 2008
137
      I'll give some leeway on the D BUT:
May 12th 2008
170
           team wasnt the problem..feeding shaq played into pistons
May 19th 2008
218
Lebron's mindless gunning is getting very old
May 09th 2008
132
^^^ POWERFUL FATUOUS HATE ^^^
May 09th 2008
136
      um, Alderaan was destroyed(Leia's home planet), not Tatooine
May 09th 2008
149
           And not end up a boring pussy.
May 10th 2008
153
           Yep. Luke was quite the cornball, no PTP-o.
May 10th 2008
155
                http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0310/04/yoda.jpg
May 10th 2008
162
                     YES!!!
May 10th 2008
165
          
May 10th 2008
158
                Cmon, who can seriously get bored of going to Tashi station?
May 10th 2008
164
This blew up in your face, huh
May 09th 2008
141
not at all, I had a blast, I had 2 posts on top of the boards all day...
May 09th 2008
144
      ^^is this what success all about?
May 09th 2008
148
           RE: ^^is this what success all about?
May 12th 2008
168
                LOL
May 12th 2008
178
and how many times as has Kobe taken his team to the finals as
May 09th 2008
143
RE: and how many times as has Kobe taken his team to the finals as
May 09th 2008
146
      if ifs and buts...
May 09th 2008
147
           RE: if ifs and buts...
May 10th 2008
156
           see here's the difference:
May 10th 2008
157
           will be the same if not better, will be playing more better teams.
May 10th 2008
163
                um, what?
May 12th 2008
175
                     umm hes soft and you know it. and you told me that
May 19th 2008
256
Cavs fan here
May 09th 2008
145
Kobe is the better rapist.
May 10th 2008
150
Ah, cause he got accused of rape right? I mean, that's the joke, right?
May 10th 2008
151
      He meant 'rapist of NBA defenses'
May 10th 2008
154
2-2
May 12th 2008
166
m, arent you in essence doing the same thing?
May 12th 2008
167
      By saying Kobe will never win another ring?
May 12th 2008
180
           I love being right all of the time.
Jun 13th 2008
362
Stan McNeal is doctor of optometry...
May 12th 2008
171
good that you made another post about that
May 12th 2008
172
      actually I meant to post it in here in the first place
May 12th 2008
176
i found a new message board for them
May 12th 2008
173
underrated reply
May 18th 2008
193
If Lebron goes for 40 tonight this post will double...n/m
May 12th 2008
177
and if he goes 2 for 20 with a good back it will triple
May 12th 2008
179
RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K...
May 18th 2008
181
honestly, if Bron played with Odom, Pau, and them...
May 18th 2008
182
^ just had to play against the cavs, knows what he's talking bout
May 18th 2008
189
^^^ realer than Real Deal Holyfield
May 18th 2008
202
^^^ http://tinyurl.com/55643h
May 18th 2008
183
Only in the Land Of A Thousand PeaNUTs could 45/6/5 in a game 7
May 18th 2008
184
wait, this was upped by LAKERS fans?
May 18th 2008
185
i'm equally astounded
May 18th 2008
187
Once again, if Kobe woke this morning with LeBron's supporting cast...
May 18th 2008
186
well they're pretty delusional
May 18th 2008
190
So it seems 95% of people only watch the offensive side of the ball
May 18th 2008
191
      stop acting like being good at defense
May 18th 2008
192
      Yet ya'll do the same shit in reverse....go figure?
May 18th 2008
194
      i told someone this same thing today
May 18th 2008
197
      you are right, but bron is part of the offensive problem.
May 18th 2008
198
           Who on that team deserves more touches? Wally? Joe Smith?
May 18th 2008
204
           I think what he's saying is that they need more ball movement...
May 19th 2008
210
                thanks thats all i meant..i love bron and was pulling for him
May 19th 2008
219
           RE: you are right, but bron is part of the offensive problem.
May 19th 2008
254
      they're a well coached team defensively who play solid team D
May 18th 2008
196
           I wasn't replying to your intended point lol, just to that misconception
May 18th 2008
200
                lolz @ "somewhat close."
May 19th 2008
216
When Bron threw up that airball, I thought of this thread lol
May 18th 2008
188
Our agreeance is duly noted
May 18th 2008
195
lol @ how this post is Lakers fans vs Bron. Geezdamn
May 18th 2008
199
this post is amazing.
May 18th 2008
201
Kobe's game is more diverse than Bron's. But this post is REALLY dumb.
May 18th 2008
203
Does LeBron need "help" from his teammates....
May 18th 2008
205
      ^^^ cloaked fully in the fabric
May 18th 2008
206
      Lebron is still raw offensively....
May 19th 2008
209
           well thing is kobe was already a great all-around scorer by his 5th year
May 19th 2008
211
                you don't think part of that is also
May 19th 2008
221
                     whats your point though
May 19th 2008
250
                     no, to me that logic is ridiculous
May 19th 2008
255
                          get off kobe's nuts...damn
May 19th 2008
259
                          ive disliked kobe for going on 5 years now
May 19th 2008
262
                               I love how the first thing this cat does is quantify you as a Kobe-lover...
May 19th 2008
265
                               its not the first time its happened
May 19th 2008
269
                                    for lebron it mostly would be
May 20th 2008
280
                                         his weaknesses were exploited all series
May 20th 2008
283
                                              ok--we're getting somewhere
May 20th 2008
284
                                              yea we're starting to see eye to eye
May 20th 2008
286
                                              no hom but i love you man
May 30th 2008
290
                               *smh*
May 19th 2008
266
                          RE: no, to me that logic is ridiculous
May 19th 2008
261
      ^^Real talk^^
May 19th 2008
238
Guys, Lebron is a Ball Hog <--DEAL WITH IT
May 19th 2008
207
and not necessarily based on shots but he dominates the ball
May 19th 2008
245
Their numbers were damn near identical
May 19th 2008
252
the difference between kobe and bron was on full display in todays game....
May 19th 2008
208
RE: the difference between kobe and bron was on full display in todays g...
May 19th 2008
212
lmao!!! but its true
May 19th 2008
213
lol, yep! its just like with Tiger Woods, every year there's a new...
May 19th 2008
215
      wonder who its gonna be next year
May 19th 2008
233
Bravo!
May 19th 2008
214
^ IS SNAPPIN! - LOL
May 19th 2008
217
sooo much truth in this post (and you forgot vince better than kobe)
May 19th 2008
220
^^^POST ENDING HOT LAVA
May 19th 2008
222
encore!!
May 19th 2008
223
apparently he fucks you in the ass too
May 19th 2008
224
one thing that was truth is alot of people that hate on bron
May 19th 2008
234
It's a fair point, but
May 19th 2008
240
the only thing is media usually says the popular thing to say
May 19th 2008
243
      i don't really agree that bron is the popular thing over kobe.
May 19th 2008
247
           so do you think kobe is the leagues best player?
May 19th 2008
249
                well what i was saying was...
May 19th 2008
251
                     they want kobe to be the best player over the face of the sport in bron?
May 19th 2008
257
RE: one thing that was truth is alot of people that hate on bron
May 19th 2008
253
^^^Actual facts (c) Lord Finesse
May 19th 2008
241
lol, so those pistons teams weren't good at all???
May 19th 2008
231
For real. He BEAT the Pistons nearly singlehandedly...
May 19th 2008
263
      for real, that post has to be the most effective hate EVER
May 19th 2008
267
      these posts are what makes OKS entertaining and all.
May 19th 2008
268
      And what's funny is cats be legitimately hating on both
May 19th 2008
270
           hating on a star doesn't really make sense when you think about it.
May 19th 2008
272
      RE: For real. He BEAT the Pistons nearly singlehandedly...
May 19th 2008
277
but they STILL don't hear you tho.
May 19th 2008
237
end post now
May 20th 2008
285
sigworthy!
May 30th 2008
295
oh word? kobe never give up 40 in a big game?
May 19th 2008
225
      They play different positions. Stay mad.
May 19th 2008
226
           so a 2 has never guarded a 3 before?
May 19th 2008
227
                This ain't a Dirk post. Why are you so furious?
May 19th 2008
228
                According to y'all, Bron is a shitty defender.
May 19th 2008
229
                LOL! Oh, so now we're using double standards.
May 19th 2008
230
                Or maybe the point was,
May 19th 2008
232
                one thing
May 19th 2008
235
                i will answer about game 7
May 19th 2008
246
                Kobe stopped Lebron on the final play in the Red vs Blue FIBA scrimmage!...
May 19th 2008
264
                RE: This ain't a Dirk post. Why are you so furious?
May 19th 2008
258
                no kobe hater can use a double standard arguement! w/that
May 19th 2008
244
Can we all agree on one thing though?
May 19th 2008
271
lmao
May 19th 2008
273
For real man...cats are in here with a great sense of humor
May 19th 2008
275
      i don't cop feelings over messageboards
May 20th 2008
281
Read his sig. I been up on his fury.
May 19th 2008
274
that cat doesnt know basketball
May 20th 2008
279
      thanks for joining
May 20th 2008
282
Yeah, this post is hilarious, for all the usual reasons. Good show.
May 19th 2008
278
lock me plez
May 21st 2008
287
http://onthebuzzer.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kobe2.jpg
May 29th 2008
288
i'll still claim it, fuck kobe
May 30th 2008
291
RE: i'll still claim it, fuck kobe
May 30th 2008
292
yeah, kobe got his last night, right in the vagina
Jun 13th 2008
307
you mean.... the same shit we were sayin abuot kobe for 3 years?
May 30th 2008
293
LOL @ Wille haters on the ropes
May 30th 2008
294
lol
May 30th 2008
297
LOL @ a lame ass Bull fan who adopted Peanut only to inherit this huge L
Jun 13th 2008
303
      LOL@ a lame ass bitch who roots for....hol up
Jun 13th 2008
320
           kobe certainly ain't finals MVP
Jun 13th 2008
321
           nah i wouldnt argue against that
Jun 13th 2008
326
           Simmons got this one right too:
Jun 13th 2008
328
           ^^^^^^^^^^
Jun 13th 2008
349
           Pierce is like Jim Brown
Jun 13th 2008
370
           Yeah, but how many times has Kobe.........
Jun 13th 2008
373
           RE: kobe certainly ain't finals MVP
Jun 13th 2008
368
           I root for the Sixers who's>>>>>DaBulls & Bron who's>>>>>Peanut
Jun 13th 2008
335
Bron 2-2... Kobe 1-3...
Jun 12th 2008
298
^^^Do The Math
Jun 13th 2008
304
      According to this logic the Hawks are a better team than the Spurs.
Jun 13th 2008
309
           what logic?? I'm just tryng to make people mad
Jun 13th 2008
310
           NOPE! Spurs got rings,theyre in an even year,their legacy is set already
Jun 13th 2008
336
How'd I know this was gonna be uped
Jun 12th 2008
299
Joe Johnson>>>>Entire Laker franchise
Jun 12th 2008
301
Put Bron on the Hawks & they'd be beating Peanut in these finals
Jun 13th 2008
305
      Pleas?
Jun 13th 2008
308
      ^^^ pleas copped ^^^
Jun 13th 2008
312
           Usa dummy
Jun 13th 2008
333
      sheeit the cavs squad now can beat the lakers..
Jun 13th 2008
319
it's posts like these that make OKP the greatest place on the net
Jun 12th 2008
300
BRON BETTER!!!!! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAKESHOW
Jun 13th 2008
302
^^^Posting With Nightvision Goggles
Jun 13th 2008
306
Bron got SWEPT in the Finals.
Jun 13th 2008
311
Kobe went 1-4 vs Detroit w/ 2 HOFers & Phil
Jun 13th 2008
313
& Bron still got swept in the finals...
Jun 13th 2008
318
      cmon
Jun 13th 2008
323
           cmon = oksports speak for facts...
Jun 13th 2008
324
                oksports fact = cmon u mad
Jun 13th 2008
327
                     mad factual.. yes - LOL
Jun 13th 2008
329
with who as his teammates again?
Jun 13th 2008
350
heehee
Jun 13th 2008
314
ARCHIVE.
Jun 13th 2008
315
did the original one get archived?
Jun 13th 2008
317
      amazingly enough, probably not
Jun 13th 2008
334
           not archived YET
Jun 13th 2008
338
                Im not 1 to politic for archival,especially on posts I started but c'mon
Jun 13th 2008
342
                Now how is it that the original is locked but the this one isn't
Jun 13th 2008
365
This is a better comparison than Kobe to Jordan; that comparison
Jun 13th 2008
316
Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Kobe >> Pierce?
Jun 13th 2008
322
in lebron have pj dunk on his head in a playoff game?
Jun 13th 2008
325
this shit keeps cracking me up. Is it possible to enjoy both?????
Jun 13th 2008
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pick a side, this is OKsports version of capitalism/communism
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RE: this shit keeps cracking me up. Is it possible to enjoy both?????
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nope, that's equivalent to riding for Jay and Nas in The Lesson
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      haha, basically.
Jun 13th 2008
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           would this series be Kobe's 'Superugly'?
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                Dayum. lol.
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RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K...
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^^^ this nigga done had a fresh lasik procedure
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RE: ^^^ this nigga done had a fresh lasik procedure
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^^^ Holly shit dude i'm seriously dyin right now
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bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WHATEVER.....
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^^^Mothafuckn' Dr. of Optometry^^^^
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you dickhead niggas can sit around in denial all you want...
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nah, you pretty much nailed it
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one thing:
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oops, i forgot "gives an effort beyond the 1st qtr in elimination games"
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      change that to first five minutes and you're dead on
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FLAWLWSS VICTORY
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^ WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT!!
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as shitty as Kobe as played against Boston Lebron was WORSE...
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Excellent point.
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Excellent point.
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holla when he wins more than 1 game with a better team or puts up
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talk to these fools, fam
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RE: as shitty as Kobe as played against Boston Lebron was WORSE...
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You're talking about one game......
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ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner
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Yeah, Ray Allen's been the exact same for example in both series.
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Marvelettes Girl Sings: Pleas, Pleas, Wait A Minute Mr. Postman!
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RE: Yeah, Ray Allen's been the exact same for example in both series.
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      LOL!
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      that is where i live now, lol
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RE: you dickhead niggas can sit around in denial all you want...
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      word. Man the Lakers fans were straight shooting clips
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           Say what you will...
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           did you see me though lach.... celtics in 4, celtics in 5
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                right on
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So, Joe Johnson just as good as Le Bron right?
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RE: So, Joe Johnson just as good as Le Bron right?
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RE: So, Joe Johnson just as good as Le Bron right?
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      no, you're a bron hater, you really don't see it?
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           I'm a hater b/c I said he wasn't dominant in that series?
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                RE: I'm a hater b/c I said he wasn't dominant in that series?
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                ^^Stan
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                RE: I'm a hater b/c I said he wasn't dominant in that series?
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no, his team got blown out in game 7
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Archive
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RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K...
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wow..i wish..I was there
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BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA, HE WHO LAUGHS LAST, FAGGOTS!!!
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY MAD BOMB!!!
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      HAHAAAAHHAAAAA, KOBE ON THE BENCH FACIAL-TICKING!!!
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Who of U dumb fucks is still trying to claim Kobe is as good as Jordan?
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Better than Lebron? Sheeeit
Jun 17th 2008
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^^^Infrared Goggles In The Ted Williams Tunnel Levels of SEEING IT
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LeBron, by himself, took the Celtics to 7.
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ummm...didn't Lebron get SWEPT in the Finals last year?
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RE: ummm...didn't Lebron get SWEPT in the Finals last year?
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MOTHAFUCKA TALK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://i26.tinypic.com/2i06usg.jpg
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Nas Lost.
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KOBE PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCED!
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haha, that motherfucka is headed for the Canadian border right now
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i'm happy Celtics won
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Truth, at least KG won tho. You got something out of this finals
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yeah but he was the third best C in the series, he lost there too
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LMFAO!!!
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lol
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NOPE! Truth divested his portfolio of all KG stock
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Kobe stans aren't even showing up to defend him in this post yet
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L. Archive.
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More MVPs, more Finals wins on his own team.
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^^still copping bitch ass pleas^^.. go cry about the "opt out" game
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I was beginning to think Kobe was separating himself
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Kobe fans star in:
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! TWO WINS IN ONE!!!!!
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AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! WHERES YODA AT?!?!
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PAUL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kobe
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Rondo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe NOPE! He better!!!
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*kobe dribbles into post and forces an outside J.. looks frustrated*
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*pees on bed*
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Shit, I didn't even see this post upped, lol.
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The Money Man
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25. "halfway through the second round. what an epic L for us"
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11. "and you notice they blaming everybody but Lebron"
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all these mofos whos said the trade was sooo great.

where are they now?

blaming Mike Brown's offense. the same offense that allows LeBallhog to stuff his stats so everybody can drool over.

1st team ALL-NBA, and you play like *this* the 1st 2 games.

lmao

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32. "that's my only issue.."
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& I ride for LeBron too. Both he & Kobe are phenomenally talented players. We all know LeBron's prime is just on the horizon & Kobe is older & his descent will come in sooner. However, the debate about who's better aside, do not blame Mike Brown for LeBron going 8-42. That's some bullshyt.


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i'm just sayin'....

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14. "I dont really have a horse in this one"
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They're both ridiculously good, and I'm happy I get to watch em play.

But....if we were to swap em. Bron with Pao and Lamar and some shooters? And Kobe with that mess? Shit.

That said, Lebron is playing horrendous so far, regardless of his supporting cast, but I was against that trade from the go. Ben has BEEN done, Wally hasnt been shit in years, Delonte is an 8th man at best, and Joe Smith is ancient. As inconsistent as he was, Hughes could play D and occasionaly create on O, taking a little pressure off Lebron, and Gooden was consistently solid.

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15. "hence the point that this was an easier matchup for the C's"
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not saying u disputed that, just felt the need to beat that dead horse again

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17. "Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves"
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It was 2-0 Boston over Atlanta in even more dominating fashion. If the C's can actually do something on the road, then yea, you're probably right. I think you guys gave far too much credit to Atlanta though. Matchups or not, that should have been a five game series. Boston seems to have it going now, but until they get one in Cleveland....

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16. "None of that really is the point..."
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>They're both ridiculously good, and I'm happy I get to watch
>em play.
>
>But....if we were to swap em. Bron with Pao and Lamar and some
>shooters? And Kobe with that mess? Shit.
>
>That said, Lebron is playing horrendous so far, regardless of
>his supporting cast, but I was against that trade from the go.
>Ben has BEEN done, Wally hasnt been shit in years, Delonte is
>an 8th man at best, and Joe Smith is ancient. As inconsistent
>as he was, Hughes could play D and occasionaly create on O,
>taking a little pressure off Lebron, and Gooden was
>consistently solid.

Kobe had two good playoff games, lebron hasn't. Kobe better.

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19. "Oh, I know"
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This is OKS, land of the reactionary. Cant wait til Bron goes home, drops 30, 12 and 8 and Kobe hits the road and shoots 7-29. Ahh, the circle of life.

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34. "but the ? is when LeBron does that... what role did Mike Brown play?"
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Isn't LeBron making shots vs missing shots got more to do with.. well him than the coach? I fully expect him to bounce back in Cleveland & play well for the rest of the series but how that's solely Mike Brown's fault or to his credit I'm not sure.
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59. "The Cavs are decent because of Bron"
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65. "Ok fine but is LeBron responsible for his performances or not?"
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Whether they be 29 of the last 30 points last year versus the Pistons in Game #5 or 2-18 versus this Celtics in game #1 of this years playoffs...
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66. "RE: is LeBron responsible for his performances or not?"
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24. "I gotta cosign Ernie on this one."
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Lebron, Pau, and Lamar would be dominating, and Kobe, Ziggy, and Booby Gibson would be struggling.

Now, would Kobe be shooting AS BADLY? No, because Kobe is a better jumpshooter than Lebron. But this is common knowledge by this point.

Kobe's offensive arsenal is more diverse than Lebron's. But I wouldn't say after two games that Lebron is WORSE than Kobe.

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27. "would kobe even be playing?"
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or would he have bitched his way out of that team because his supporting cast is garbage?

>Lebron, Pau, and Lamar would be dominating, and Kobe, Ziggy,
>and Booby Gibson would be struggling.

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28. "There's no way a team could consistently give Kobe open looks..."
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like that on the perimeter and dare him to shoot. He would eat them alive. That would have to change the defensive strategy which is basically a matchup zone and pressure Kobe more on the perimeter which would leave guys like Z, Wally, West and Boobie wide open.

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39. "I also got to agree"
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But, again, I could ultimately give a fuck about either and the reasons and forthcoming reaction to this are about as transparent as my skin tone.

  

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18. "Kobe would never have 2 horrendous shooting nights in a row"
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No matter who the supporting cast was.

Bron's not as well rounded offensively.

  

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29. "um, kobe's had consecutive horrendous shooting nights..."
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in the playoffs in the past. hell, in the '04 finals, mamba shot something like 35% for the series.

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30. "35% is a long ways from 19%"
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74. "he would also kill to be surrounded by 3 HOFers"
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and a HOF coach...

  

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76. "Kobe is surrounded by 3 HOFer's now?? lol"
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82. "I'm referring to the '04 finals"
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83. "So you're counting Karl Malone who DIDN'T PLAY and GP who..."
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had at that point started the steep decline of his career?

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85. "Basically... shit I'd rather have Pau and LO"
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89. "post #78"
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have you no shame?

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93. "^^^dat tegrity based ether"
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WOW.

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112. "3 HOFers won't make Bron a better jump shooter"
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113. "they would, however, change the celtics defense"
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cmon. do better.

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114. "but would Lebron be Lebron then? Part of the reason he gets the hype..."
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that he gets is the stats he puts up, 30, 7 and 7, because he dominates the ball. With better teammates his stats would probably decline significantly.

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115. "yeah, he'd probably average a double double"
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perhaps almost a triple double.

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117. "you mean like Kobe's did?"
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>that he gets is the stats he puts up, 30, 7 and 7, because he
>dominates the ball. With better teammates his stats would
>probably decline significantly.

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118. "basically. n/m"
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159. "one should never shoot 35% when you're surrounded by"
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shaq, the mailman and gp. lebron would give your left testicle just to have one of those players, even in the state they're in now.

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35. "How did he look in those other 3 finals ?"
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Kobe could shot 0 for May but he still got DEM RANGS...

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43. "Best Supporting Actor Titles, cmon?"
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cmon

  

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46. "Cry => http://i1.tinypic.com/8aft5r5.jpg"
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Playoff averages during that 3-peat

21.1 ppg in 2000
29.4 ppg in 2001
26.6 ppg in 2002






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49. "SHAQ DEISEL....NUFF SAID"
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nigga was getting 40 and 20

  

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52. "Cry more => http://i19.tinypic.com/5y0681j.jpg"
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2000 playoffs

Shaq - 30.7 ppg
Kobe - 21.1 ppg

2001 playoffs

Shaq - 30.4 ppg
Kobe - 29.4 ppg

2002 playoffs

Shaq - 28.5 ppg
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55. "are you trying to prove my point son?"
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Thanks for reminding us that shaq was averaging 30 and kobe was playing second fiddle

  

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62. "lmao, dude thought he hit you with some ether there"
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.

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64. "that would require that you had one to begin with"
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Kobe got rings, period. Nothing else really needs to be said but I'll humor you. The fact is there was 1ppg difference in 2001 & less than 2ppg difference in 2002. That myth y'all tout is just that, a myth. Y'all lost then & y'all losing now..

Cry..


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44. "Cmon, pippenomics is a zero sum game"
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nm

  

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45. "!!!"
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___________________

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160. "hahaha, i love this cat's kobe hate, that shit is always quality"
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20. "^^he right"
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21. "LeBRICK!"
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http://myspace.com/23359784

  

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23. "NOPE! Pau makin him better, Bynum made him better"
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kobe the king of 1st round exits until he got help!


NOPE!



Lebron's help is....*drum roll*... delonte.....?


I SEE IT!

  

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26. "bron playing the best team in the L with no supporting cast"
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granted he should be making layups
but lets not act like kobe don't shoot like 5+ percentage points then lebron during the season
these last two games are just an anomaly imo

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37. "c'mon man.. you slippin.. you forgot this.. => FOH!"
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41. "exactly"
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116. "basically"
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if it was a debate for 82+ games, it's doesn't end because of two games.

if you wanna take away ONE player from a team, it is not that hard to do no matter who that player is. the problem utah is having is that they can't focus on one player, even if they zoned everything to take Kobe out of the game or at least force the ball out of his hands, they'd probably get their asses busted even worse because Gasol is mismatch for both their bigs and outside of Kirilenko (whom they use on Kobe more) even Odom is a really tough mismatch for their bigs and Brewer. the lakers are also deeper, utah has two guys it can bring off the bench to play productively.

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36. "LOL this is great now all the willie haters no where to be found"
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a damn shame

  

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38. "*looks at first 10 posts*"
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*wonders wtf you're talking about*

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40. "the OG "which one of yall" post had like 400+ replies"
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thats wtf im talking about

  

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47. "Mr. Luva, Luva..."
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=lutqplLMvfk

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53. "maybe it has something to do with responding to bait?"
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and levels of rationality of bron fans vs. kobestans (guess which i think is more rational).

maybe your bait is weak and style jacking?

maybe its because you dilute the responses by having at least 2 kobe posts a day?

maybe its because that post came after a kobe vs. bron matchup head to head and thus had more relevance?

i could continue...
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54. "maybe you shouldn't"
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>i could continue...


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72. "*yawn*"
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try harder

  

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42. "lol, your avi is hilarious"
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48. "i was waitin on someone to pull up the original,"
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dont count bron out though.

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51. "i attempted but it got locked"
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60. "It did? Fuck, Mobutu Mods Are Locking Everything This Postseason"
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I'm surprised this one has stayed up this long.

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

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63. "*DEAD*@ MOBUTU MODS"
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wow

  

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130. "LOL @ Mobutu....son...they gettin their Mugabe on too...nm"
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56. "You have to admit, LeBron's game has a big flaw in it"
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whereas Kobe's doesn't.

Until LeBron improves his jumpshot, I think you have to say that Kobe is the better all-around player. (I'd also give Kobe the edge on defense but let's handle one thing at a time).

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289. "^^^post should have ended here"
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57. "Son, you was really supposed to keep this trump card in your back"
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pocket lol....

Might be a hand or two to early to throw out the big joker lol

  

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58. "*Blushes In Recognition Of The Highest Form Of Flattery*"
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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/413078343_96696efece.jpg

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

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61. "counting chickens before they hatch"
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nm

  

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68. "WE LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!!!! (c) that anti drug commercial"
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70. "I'm not worried about Ryan M, only M. Ryan!"
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cmon...you oklakerniggas are so happy..im jealous

  

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296. "that worked perfectly didnt it"
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"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
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71. "^^^admits to following the hate brigade like a little brother"
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69. "You setting yourself up for a ridiculous ^^^^^^^^"
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you better hope Bron Bron don't go off next game. By the way, I agree that Kobe is currently better than Bron, but not for long.

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73. "I'm sure the mods will lock and hide it like they did the original post"
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384. "Yea, you were wrong bout that"
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79. "Agree. Right now, yes Kobe's better. Near future, no."
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75. "I can't wait for bron to be surrounded by players that are actually"
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good.


I really can't. niggas are reaching so hard with the bron hate.

  

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77. "I think if Utah and Cleveland met in the Finals..."
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Bron would straight punch Boozer in the face.

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78. "He's playing with an all-star center and a multi-DPOY PF"
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80. "C'MON"
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87. "really is Pau that much better overall than Ilgauskas?"
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92. "Z is underrated but Pau is a notch above him."
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I'd be a lot more worried about the Celtics beating the Cavs if they Pau. Not only is Pau better but he's a better fit alongside Ben and Sideshow IMO.

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95. "its a wash, Gasol is a little better offensive but Z is more of a presen..."
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defensively so it balances out

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97. "lmao"
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You're killin me.

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98. "cmon...truth has had me dying all day"
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`nm

  

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101. "He really is killin it today"
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No shame. No logic. No rationality. Just unabashed bullshit, pleas, non-sequitors, oxymorons, and non-sensical rants.

I wish every Friday was like this.

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110. ""
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119. "foh"
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128. "LMAO, O puuulllleeeeeeeeeeeease"
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duke is just making shit up.

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152. "YES. FUCK YES. FUUUUUUUUCK YES."
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276. "Not only is he better now, at no point has Z been as good"
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If you're interested in Ben Wallace get on the horn! You can trade pretty much any Laker you've thrown under the bus defending Kobe to get him, hell the rights to Craig Hodges and a Spalding outdoor basketball would probably do the trick.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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81. "...from 2003"
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84. "BWHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!"
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Oh shit.

That made my day.

Truth, coming with that COMEDY.

Well done.

Edit:

I guess "steep declines" are only relevant when it's convenient.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=910155&mesg_id=910155&page=#910420

And in the same post at that.

Wow.

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88. "LOL"
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nm

  

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94. "LMAO, he got caught twice!!!"
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40thstreet made the same point.

this thread: great thread, or greatest thread?

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96. "yeah because its the exactly the same, Karl Malone being INJURED..."
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AND NOT EVEN PLAYING is just like Z and Big Ben playing perfectly healthy.

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99. "You referenced Paytons "steep decline""
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Then, in the SAME POST, tried using Ben Wallace, a guy who's decline is as steep as anybodies, as one of Lebron's commodoties.

CMTFON.

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104. "but Ben still PLAYED in game 1, right?"
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106. "but Payton still PLAYED the entire series, right"
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Just stop. This one's a lost cause.

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121. "^^^Ernest Lee w/ the Contra Spray 'L' gun^^^"
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124. "the point is in post#74 dude said Kobe was surrounded by 3 HOF'ers..."
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like Malone and Payton were in their prime when in reality they were far from it.

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127. "and you said Wallace is a 4 time DPOY like he's still good"
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when he sucks.

you played both sides of the coin in the same post = auto L.

defending it only makes it bigger.

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129. "What about Z? is he washed up too?"
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131. "^^^bobs, weaves, still gets hit with L"
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Z has to have been one of the more pathetic all-star selections ever.

you still claimed wallace in the same post you talked about Payton being on a decline = L.

and Z <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Shaq in 2003. stop. it's embarrassing. Z in his all star years had 6 fewer ppg, worse FG%, fewer rebounds, and fewer blocks, to name a couple stats. cmon. just take the L and move on. it's not that deep.

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102. "^^^just made it even WORSE"
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didn't know that was possible...

ben wallace missed game 2 cuz of dizziness. he played about a minute and couldn't even run the court.


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105. "he played 31 minutes in game 1 when Lebron was 2 for 18"
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107. "quick multiple choice:"
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was this post made?
a. after game 1
b. after game 2

alright then.

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108. "And he's been on a "steep decline" since 2006."
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109. "and he clearly isn't "perfectly healthy""
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111. "At least ThaTruth doesnt take his name literally"
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161. "cmon, he's one of the few here that actually knows + understands ball..."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=910186&mesg_id=910186&page=#910477

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100. "and he posted those within 6 minutes of each other"
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>I guess "steep declines" are only relevant when it's
>convenient.
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=910155&mesg_id=910155&page=#910420
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>And in the same post at that.
>
>Wow.


LOL

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103. "AND he's trying to defend it"
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120. "C also CWebb"
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86. "And an All-Star SF and a fellow #1 overall"
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Clearly he should be kicking ass.

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90. "And a former MAC Player of The Year!!!!"
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91. "I think this proves that LeBron needed to go to college"
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His lack of NCAA experience is obviously holding this squad back.

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142. "If Kobe woke up on morning with Lebron's supporting cast..."
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...he'd jump off the tp of 20-story building and slit his throat on the way down. (c) Chris Rock.

Seriously, take 'Bron off the current team and have them start the 2007-08 season, and they lose 70 games.

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236. "he already has"
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and they took Phoenix to 7 games

  

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242. "...in the first round."
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'Bron took his group of losers to the Finals.

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248. "*yawns*"
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but he aint gotta ring though right?

  

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260. "And Kobe lead his group of losers to a chip, right?"
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122. "i feel ya, i agree, but grant kobe the same reasoning when he"
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had a d league team.

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
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174. "RE: i feel ya, i agree, but grant kobe the same reasoning when he"
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Lamar Odom / Caron Butler says hi.

  

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239. "odom missed half the season and your argument is trash"
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so miss me with that, cause if you want to get technical Larry Hughes had a great year/better year in washington as well, even better than caron, but his stats dropped greatly when he linked up with the ball dominator.

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123. "LOL"
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125. "I already said my piece on this in the first Lebron/Kobe post"
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So I'll say this:

If Lebron James gets a coach that actually runs an offense (Kobe's got the triangle), and some quality help, the Cavs would win 60 games, Lebron would win multiple MVP's and his numbers would look like this:

33ppg, 9rpg, 9apg

You can't double him without someone else dropping 30 on you AND he can still drop dimes? AND he can focus on rebounds? (and he's a better rebounder than Kobe).

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit That negro might put up 40ppg or some dumb shit...lol.

The funny thing is...Kobe is at his pinnacle, it gets NO better for him. Lebron is such an incomplete package right now and he's right at that level.

***And before the Kobe-guys run up in here and yell that 'kobe gets hate for needing help' argument. Lebron took a group of BUMS to the Finals, on his back, knocking off a team that had been to the finals twice and the ECF 5 yrs straight. While Kobe, with bums, couldn't beat a Phx team that can't play a lick of defense and laid down after having a 3-1 lead.

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126. "^^^a learned scholar's treatise"
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133. "I disagree..."
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>So I'll say this:
>
>If Lebron James gets a coach that actually runs an offense
>(Kobe's got the triangle), and some quality help, the Cavs
>would win 60 games, Lebron would win multiple MVP's and his
>numbers would look like this:
>
>33ppg, 9rpg, 9apg
>
>You can't double him without someone else dropping 30 on you
>AND he can still drop dimes? AND he can focus on rebounds?
>(and he's a better rebounder than Kobe).
>
>Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit That negro might put up 40ppg or some
>dumb shit...lol.


If he played on a more balanced team with better teammates his statistics would probably drop a bit.(See Kobe and MJ) If he had a real point guard which is what he needs he wouldn't be handling the ball as much and he would get fewer assists. And if your SF is get 9-10 rebounds per game that means your 4 and 5 ain't doing shit.



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135. "I might ride with the assist rationale"
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>If he played on a more balanced team with better teammates his
>statistics would probably drop a bit.(See Kobe and MJ) If he
>had a real point guard which is what he needs he wouldn't be
>handling the ball as much and he would get fewer assists. And
>if your SF is get 9-10 rebounds per game that means your 4 and
>5 ain't doing shit.

But even when Mike's supporting cast were so-called 'good' (I still think past pip, grant, kukoc and rodman, those bulls rosters were mediocre to trash) he could still put up 6 assists a game. Even so, if his assist numbers drop, that probably means he's scoring more. Also at 6'9" he's more like a PF than anything in height and with less defensive focus on him and less ballhandling responsibility, he'd be free to run down offensive/defensive boards.

And didn't Kobe's numbers continually get better with Shaq in the middle? Not sure if this argument holds a lot of weight. Matter of fact...MJ's numbers didn't dip either, he just stop scoring as much as he didn't need to. But his rebounds and assists pretty much remained constant.


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138. "the triangle hurts assist numbers according to kobestans"
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so if he doesn't go into a triangle offense, his assists still might go up!

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140. "Would LeBron Ames even fit in the triangle?"
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Don't you need a consistent J to really be effective in it?

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139. "MJ stats dropped across the board when his teammates got better..."
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and he starting winning titles because he had to do less.

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169. "Uh...no:"
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>and he starting winning titles because he had to do less.

Season PTS TRB AST
1984-85 28.2ppg, 6.5rpg, 5.9apg
1985-86 22.7 3.6 2.9 (injured season)
1986-87 37.1 5.2 4.6
1987-88 35.0 5.5 5.9
1988-89 32.5 8.0 8.0
1989-90 33.6 6.9 6.3
1990-91 31.5 6.0 5.5 (title)
1991-92 30.1 6.4 6.1 (title)
1992-93 32.6 6.7 5.5 (title)
1994-95 26.9 6.9 5.3 (comeback season)
1995-96 30.4 6.6 4.3 (title)
1996-97 29.6 5.9 4.3 (title)
1997-98 28.7 5.8 3.5 (title)

Now tell me how (outside of his 'I can be like Magic to prove a point' season in 88-89) did he drop across the board in anything BUT scoring.

And on the 2nd Threepeat his skills were on the decline so yes, his numbers WOULD dip then.

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134. "Auragin Boy: proud graduate of TALKIN BOUT IT University"
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137. "the only thing is at least cleveland bums could play defense"
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the laker's bums couldnt/didnt play d against a offensive machine. Argument doesnt work. BBall is a game of matchups.

And will people please stop saying that team won a chip...that is not the same team. It was 3 years later, The defensive anchor was gone, and offensive minded flip saunders was the coach as opposed to defensive minded larry brown.

that same team stuff is a JEDI MIND TRICK.

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170. "I'll give some leeway on the D BUT:"
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>the laker's bums couldnt/didnt play d against a offensive
>machine. Argument doesnt work. BBall is a game of matchups.

They had a 3-1 lead. Matchups my ass. They blew it. Period.

>And will people please stop saying that team won a chip...that
>is not the same team. It was 3 years later, The defensive
>anchor was gone, and offensive minded flip saunders was the
>coach as opposed to defensive minded larry brown.
>
>that same team stuff is a JEDI MIND TRICK.

Maybe not the same team but Kobe with the same Cavs roster in the east...I don't think he beats THAT detroit team when he had shaq and a better supporting cast and couldn't beat the same core.

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218. "team wasnt the problem..feeding shaq played into pistons"
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hands. when kobe went a way from the offense thats the only game lakers won.

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132. "Lebron's mindless gunning is getting very old"
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They don't see it

Nor will they admit it

But that is the problem

They can only win when Bron catches fire

Because he's a ball hog and ruins careers



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136. "^^^ POWERFUL FATUOUS HATE ^^^"
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*Sigourny weaver fighting queen aliens in a forklift* Level Hate

*Will smith driving over deformed zombies* level hate

*Darth vader blowing up tantuine* level hate

*Johnny dep slapping up his retarded brother* level hate

  

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149. "um, Alderaan was destroyed(Leia's home planet), not Tatooine"
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Vader may have been better served by destroying Tatooine though......it may have served to get some serious anger in Luke, and possibly have that lingering hate leave more of a chance for him to be turned to the dark side.

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153. "And not end up a boring pussy."
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155. "Yep. Luke was quite the cornball, no PTP-o."
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But Bron be ball hogging

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162. "http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0310/04/yoda.jpg"
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okay.

lay off the little homie, i need you all to.

if ANYONE'S going to hate on my young padawan, me it will be.

go "episode 2" up in this bitch, do not make me...

<-- mad i am, doggie.

hate or hate not. there is no try.

  

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165. "YES!!!"
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the sign of a great thread: HAY.

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158. ""
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Luke was itching to leave Tatooine behind anyway, and after Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru got bunt to a crisp there was nothing left for him there.

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164. "Cmon, who can seriously get bored of going to Tashi station?"
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But in all seriousness, there's still a difference between leaving your home planet and having it blown all to hell....there's still some connection he had with his home.

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141. "This blew up in your face, huh"
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144. "not at all, I had a blast, I had 2 posts on top of the boards all day..."
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now I'm going to happy hour!

Have a good evening!

Go Lakers!

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148. "^^is this what success all about?"
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168. "RE: ^^is this what success all about?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos

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178. "LOL"
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excellent!


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143. "and how many times as has Kobe taken his team to the finals as"
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the team's best player?

this is just more overreacting bs. Kobe has been playing fantastic but Bron has had a great playoffs.

Bron's just a better overall player. Stats don't lie.
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146. "RE: and how many times as has Kobe taken his team to the finals as"
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lebron played in da east which is way easier 2 advance. lol kobe played da suns who could hav beat da spurs if it wasnt for da suspensions while lebron played lol wash without caron n gilbert then got killed by da spurs

  

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147. "if ifs and buts..."
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did he make it? yes.

did he beat the pistons to make it (you know, the #1 seed in the east who had won a championship only 2 years before)? yes.

has kobe done anything like that as the #1 player on his team? no.

could he do it this year? yes.

would it be the same? no. Pau.

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156. "RE: if ifs and buts..."
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It's funny how you make fun of dude for the "if's and buts" when all yall lebron cats keep saying "if bron had a better team...if he had a better coach". Hypocrisy my friend.

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157. "see here's the difference:"
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Kobe's fans have to rely on ifs and buts because he's never done anything (until, perhaps the last week. thanks pau from gaul) as the undisputed leader.

LeBron, even with the coach and team, took his team to the finals. so ours are just icing on the cake. for kobestans, they're the f*cking flour in the batter. different situation.

(nevermind that lebron in 2007 got past the detroit pistons in the playoffs and dude decided to conveniently forget that when talking about his path to the finals)



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163. "will be the same if not better, will be playing more better teams."
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and niggas can hollar pau, but pau has been dominant 1 game. The first game of the playoffs.

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175. "um, what?"
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shooting around 60% for the series and averaging around 16 or 17 ppg ain't too shabby...

  

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256. "umm hes soft and you know it. and you told me that"
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when the trade was done, do dont front.

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145. "Cavs fan here"
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I'd love to see Kobe in cleveland

  

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150. "Kobe is the better rapist."
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151. "Ah, cause he got accused of rape right? I mean, that's the joke, right?"
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I see what you did there. You brought up the rape thing. Awesome. That's a good one, dude. I think I'll use that. It's fresh, it's hip, it's cool...it's definitely the best way to insult Kobe. Nobody on this board has ever come up with something so....new.

Kudos to you for this unique take on Bean-Hate.

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154. "He meant 'rapist of NBA defenses'"
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Still classless, but he's right.

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166. "2-2"
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RE: Original poster and the bandwagon jumpers... I love people that count their chickens before...

Again, the rapist won't win another championship... ever. If he wasn't such a tool, he'd be thanking Shaq for the rings he acquired before Shaq went to Miami and won another without Kobe.

Kobe is the most overrated athlete in sports history. Who's he going to blame when either Utah or New Orleans (with the true MVP) knock them out of the playoffs? Comedy.

  

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167. "m, arent you in essence doing the same thing?"
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it is 2-2 like you said.

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180. "By saying Kobe will never win another ring?"
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No.

  

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362. "I love being right all of the time."
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Kobe is the next Jordan? Bwahahahahaha...

  

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171. "Stan McNeal is doctor of optometry..."
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=kobesshootinggiveshimthe&prov=tsn&type=lgns


Kobe’s shooting gives him the edge over LeBron

By Stan McNeal - SportingNews

Bigger, stronger and faster doesn’t always mean better. Look at LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. James is more gifted athletically and has about 2 inches and 25 pounds on Bryant. If you were starting a franchise, James would be your No. 1 pick because he’s also six years younger.

But after flip-flopping on the “Kobe or LeBron?” question more than an insomniac on a hard bed, I’m flipping again: Bryant is better, for one Reason—LeBron can’t shoot. He can’t shoot like Bryant, at least, and it isn’t even close.

James’ masonry has been on full display in the Cavaliers’ second-round series against the Celtics. In the first three games, he shot 22.4 percent on 2-for-18, 6-for-24 and 5-for-16 outings. He didn’t make a shot from outside the paint until the third quarter of Game 2.

He isn’t that bad, of course. After all, he led the league in scoring (30.0 points per game) with the best field goal shooting of his career (48.4 percent). The Celtics’ defense has been the No. 1 reason James has shot so poorly. Like the Spurs in last year’s Finals, the Celtics are not giving James room to shoot or drive. On his go-to play, a high pick-and-roll, the Celtics’ big man defending the screener (usually Kendrick Perkins) has done an excellent job of stepping out and cutting off a direct path to the basket. LeBron being LeBron, he still manages to get around the second line. When he does, Kevin Garnett or another big man is waiting in the paint. As a result, James’ drives to the basket have resulted in contested layups more often than uncontested dunks.

“They’re not much more aggressive than what I went though in Washington,” James says, comparing the Celtics’ defense to the Wizards’, the Cavaliers’ first-round opponents. “But their bigs are much more active. Kevin can play. He’s playing that back line and reading what’s going on behind him and in front of him. So we have to do a better job of trying to keep them off-balance.”

A team like Bryant’s Lakers is better equipped to counter the Celtics’ defense. Because Bryant has a more rounded offensive game, the Celtics would have to respect his outside shot. James is surrounded by spot-up shooters who can’t create their own shots, but Bryant has Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol, who both can score without having to be open when they catch the ball.

The Cavs’ offense is not the most creative, either, as James himself said after Game 2 when he was asked if there were ways to free him up without using the pick-and-roll. “If anybody watches, we do a lot of pick-and-rolls,” he said. “So it’s hard to just throw them out the window. We have to just try to adjust, get me to a comfort zone, and get everybody else to a comfort zone.”

One NBA scout says the Cavs might benefit from running more screens for wing players off the ball. Having to keep track of other options would result in a little less attention on James—which, given the way he has been shooting, he shouldn’t mind.

Stan McNeal is a writer for Sporting News. E-mail him at smcneal@sportingnews.com.

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172. "good that you made another post about that"
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and failed to note that mcneal couldn't have been more wishy-washy.

he knows lebron is better. he's just scared to admit it.

kobe's a gunner. and it killed them last night. stay mad.

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176. "actually I meant to post it in here in the first place"
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173. "i found a new message board for them"
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193. "underrated reply"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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177. "If Lebron goes for 40 tonight this post will double...n/m"
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No tatoos just tated with scars- Amaar

  

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179. "and if he goes 2 for 20 with a good back it will triple"
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181. "RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K..."
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182. "honestly, if Bron played with Odom, Pau, and them..."
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would there be any doubt he'd be in the finals every year? I'm just saying.

  

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189. "^ just had to play against the cavs, knows what he's talking bout"
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202. "^^^ realer than Real Deal Holyfield"
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183. "^^^ http://tinyurl.com/55643h"
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184. "Only in the Land Of A Thousand PeaNUTs could 45/6/5 in a game 7"
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against the team with the league's best record while playing on a team starting Bum Wallace, Big Z, Delonte West, and Sasha Pavlovic be considered an L.

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185. "wait, this was upped by LAKERS fans?"
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187. "i'm equally astounded"
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he balled his ASS OFF.

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186. "Once again, if Kobe woke this morning with LeBron's supporting cast..."
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...he'd jump off the top of skyscraper and slit his throat on the way down. (c) Chris Rock.

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190. "well they're pretty delusional"
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191. "So it seems 95% of people only watch the offensive side of the ball"
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I thought you were different Bomb, I thought you were different!

The team's supporting cast is built on providing the foundation for a proven winning formula imo: defense and rebounding. All they have needed is one consistent scorer alongside Lebron and they will be a ECF lock imo....and that's where Mike Redd woulda came in lol.

Anyways, the supposes bums that surround Lebron fulfill two of the most important things you need for a team....but I guess, offense is the only thing that is noticed.

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192. "stop acting like being good at defense"
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means you can be straight GARBAGE on offense.

it's not like they're ok on offense and great on defense. they're great on defense and unbelievably atrocious on offense.

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194. "Yet ya'll do the same shit in reverse....go figure?"
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Just because they are pretty bad on the offensive end, doesnt equate to them being terrible players. I'd rather have players who excel in team defense and rebounding rather than the opposite when you have an offensive powerhouse like Lebron. Ideally, of course the Cavs role players would be decent offensive players too....but, working with what they have, those role players do a damn fine job on cleaning up the boards and getting stops so Lebron can go to work on the offensive end.


I've seen both sides of the coin with the Lakers in 03' and 04'(great offensive role players, terrible D) and with the Cavs currently....imo the latter still gives you the better chance to win because the superstar has a chance to take-over a game offensively.

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197. "i told someone this same thing today"
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"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
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198. "you are right, but bron is part of the offensive problem."
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and this aint hate, (he my second favorite)Bron Dominates the ball too much. Yeah he gets assist, but hes bound to, he has the ball all the time.

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204. "Who on that team deserves more touches? Wally? Joe Smith?"
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When Delonte West and Danny Gibson or your second and third offensive options, you'd take most of the shots too.

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210. "I think what he's saying is that they need more ball movement..."
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Their base offense is pretty much ISO Lebron, everybody spread out and let him either get the bucket or be ready to catch and shoot when he dishes it from a double team.

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219. "thanks thats all i meant..i love bron and was pulling for him"
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254. "RE: you are right, but bron is part of the offensive problem."
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>and this aint hate, (he my second favorite)Bron Dominates the
>ball too much. Yeah he gets assist, but hes bound to, he has
>the ball all the time.

Who else is going to handle the ball? Delonte West is not really a playmaking type guard. There's literally no one else to handle the ball. I'm sure if the Cavs went out and got a pg, Lebron would have no problem letting someone else handle the ball and be the primary ball distributor...same as Jordan when the Bulls obtained Pip. It's not like Lebron isn't looking to get his teammates involved when he is dominating the rock. That's the major difference with Lebron vs. Kobe or a Gibert.

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196. "they're a well coached team defensively who play solid team D"
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but who on that team is really a strong defender individually?

Bum Wallace is a corpse out there, his wackness has infiltrated both sides of the court.

Z is a big body with offensive skills who just cracked 9 boards a game for the first time in his career who be exploited a bit on teams with quicker/more-athletic post players or who play strong pick-and-roll.

Wally doesn't play D.

Sasha? Not really.

Sideshow Bob and Delonte are both pretty good.

It also helps their defense that they play at a snail's pace on the other end.

Keep in mind none of this stuff you're saying in anyway negates my original point, which is that you'd have to be a pretty dumb Kobistan to make the argument that Bron took some massive L today getting beat in a game 7 on the road versus a 67-win team with 45/5/6 on the offensive end.

His supporting cast is not anywhere near championship caliber, yet they've been on the short list for the past three postseasons.

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200. "I wasn't replying to your intended point lol, just to that misconception"
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I don't care about individual comparisons or OKP agendas enough to get involved in supporting or negating arguments in these kinds of threads.

But moving on, Bron doesnt have a championship caliber supporting cast, but he is somewhat close imo.

All the Cavs need to become are an average offensive team because combined that with their stellar D and rebounding, they will be a hard out for any squad. They have some decent scorers and outside shooters(in Z, Gibson, and Pavlovic) but if they can get an actual CONSISTENT scorer to help out the offense, they can challenge for the ECF year in and year out.

They are close imo, and that's a testament to how good Lebron is on the offensive end, and how good the entire team is in other facets of the game.

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216. "lolz @ "somewhat close.""
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bron is by far the best player in the nba. and his supporting cast is absolute trash.

  

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188. "When Bron threw up that airball, I thought of this thread lol"
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199. "lol @ how this post is Lakers fans vs Bron. Geezdamn"
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203. "Kobe's game is more diverse than Bron's. But this post is REALLY dumb."
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No one's gonna deny Kobe's a better jump shooter and defender than Lebron.

But we're talking about a guy who's five best teammates since Shaq left are likely better than the five best teammates Lebron's ever had. We're talking about a guy coached by one of the GOATs, someone who has a legendary offensive plan, whereas Lebron is coached by a man whose offensive plan is to play 1-on-5 every trip down the court. We're talking about a man who's been working on that jump shot for close to a decade longer than Lebron has.

The reason why folks get excited about Lebron is because he does so much with so much less than the overwhelming majority of the great players before him. If you took the Top 5 teammates for every MVP candidate going back the last twenty years, I would say Lebron's list would be in the 95th percentile for the most underwhelming.

So yes, Kobe's skill set is more developed, more diverse. It is true. Even Bron fans and Kobe haters can agree on this. But Kobe's had a thousand times more help. Should that be held against him? No, but I think the lack of help Lebron has had should absolutely be considered.

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205. "Does LeBron need "help" from his teammates...."
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to play consistent defense? to improve his outside shot more than MARGINALLY over the past 2 years? to develop ANY kind of post game? to learn how to shoot a midrange? to even attempt a fadeaway? to do ANYTHING besides either (1) throw up prayer threes or (2) tuck the ball like a running back, take five steps, try to dunk or lay it in, and call for the foul when he misses it? It's not just Kobe, there are LOTS of players in the league who have better "offensive skill sets" than LeBron- he operates by virtue of having one of the best NBA bodies of all time. We haven't really seen any improvement in these areas over the past 2 years.

  

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206. "^^^ cloaked fully in the fabric"
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The man got 30-7-7. He demonstrated all of the above things, including defense (it's just not upper-tier defense). He just needs to work on consistency when all 5 men close the paint off fully.

It took the most talented defensive team in the league to SLOW him, it went to Game 7, and they almost won. So he's doing plenty well with his 2-part skillset you mislabeled him as having. It's his consistency. And yes, having teammates that relieve pressure and a coach that runs a balanced offense can definitely help those things.

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209. "Lebron is still raw offensively...."
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Look at 90% of his end game/shot clock running down moves, and its usually a bull rush to the basket or a pull up J.

You kinda contradict yourself when you say he displayed all these offensive talents, but then say he has to learn to be more consistent when defenders take way the paint from him.

Now it aint his fault that he's bigger and/or faster than everybody who checks him, but he's really no different than how Shaq was early on in his career...he gets alot of points based on the fact that he can just punk the shit out of whoever is holding him.

His D is a little better than people are giving him credit for (he straight took Paul Pierce's candy a couple times), but I agree with what you said in the other reply, that Kobe is more talented kinda by default cuz he's had way more time to work on his game.



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211. "well thing is kobe was already a great all-around scorer by his 5th year"
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>His D is a little better than people are giving him credit for
>(he straight took Paul Pierce's candy a couple times), but I
>agree with what you said in the other reply, that Kobe is more
>talented kinda by default cuz he's had way more time to work
>on his game.
>
>
>
>

despite barely playing his first couple years...he wasn't as good from deep as he is now, but he already
had the nice face-up game, excellent midrange game to go along with his explosiveness driving, slashing,
and finishing, and he was still an excellent foul shooter. comparing them at the same stages of their careers,
kobe's offensive game was still more polished...a testament to all his hard work.

personally i think this has more to do with bron's work-ethic and desire.

  

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221. "you don't think part of that is also"
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that kobe couldn't get away with some of what lebron does because lebron's more athletically gifted?

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255. "no, to me that logic is ridiculous"
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>that kobe couldn't get away with some of what lebron does
>because lebron's more athletically gifted?

bron's athleticism and build shouldnt excuse him from expanding his game, especially being a wing player...
just like how dirk's great shooting ability shouldnt result in him often abandoning the paint. plus its not like kobe
wasn't a great physical specimen himself when he was younger.

ive criticized kobe in the past for his selfish approach to games (though he's made great strides this year).
but one thing ive always admired about him is how he literally dedicated his life to the game of basketball.
by only his 3rd year as a full-time starter, kobe was exceptional offensively..he lacked a great post game
because the paint was always inhabited by shaq, but he was still an amazingly developed offensive player
who could pretty much score at will. at 22 he was averaging about the same amount of points as he did this year.
kobe chases perfecton..training and working on his game till exhaustion..and that's why he's the finest player
this game has. his drive and desire to be the best player he can be is on a jordan level...i dont know if i can say
the same for bron, which is somewhat disappointing given his physical talent and sky-high potential.

  

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259. "get off kobe's nuts...damn"
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the question is this:

-would you rather have an all-around game and score 30 or be so damn dominant at one aspect as to score 30. the bottom line is simple: you score 30. Plus, if you score the way Lebron does, you cause more fouls, which is a good thing.

now, that said, there are clear weaknesses that he needs to address. but to act like all-aroundness does anything beyond beautifying one's game is absurd. so what if kobe can score 10 different ways and lebron can only score 5 different ways--bottomline, bron's still scoring at the same (I mean, better) clip as kobe.


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262. "ive disliked kobe for going on 5 years now"
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i always have. but he is the best, he has been for years...he has the talent and the drive.

>the question is this:
>
>-would you rather have an all-around game and score 30 or be
>so damn dominant at one aspect as to score 30.

son, that one aspect can be taken away from you, forcing you to rely on other ways to score.
lebron was exposed in the finals last year and once again in this series. going 8-48 and not hitting
a shot from outside of 15 ft is unacceptable.

the bottom line
>is simple: you score 30. Plus, if you score the way Lebron
>does, you cause more fouls, which is a good thing.

lol, and he's not a good foul shooter either my dude, which is why kobe takes less free throws yet
scores more from the charity stripe.

>
>now, that said, there are clear weaknesses that he needs to
>address. but to act like all-aroundness does anything beyond
>beautifying one's game is absurd.

beautify? are you serious? kobe worked on his game until he had no weaknesses so he can't be stopped
since he can score from every dimension on the court with little to no seperation from defenders and also
beat his man off the dribble and finish. its not about scoring 30 a game, its about maximizing your abilities
so a defense cant hinder or hamper your contribution.

so what if kobe can score 10
>different ways and lebron can only score 5 different
>ways--bottomline, bron's still scoring at the same (I mean,
>better) clip as kobe.

he's scoring more now because he has to score more. do you rely on statistics for everything?
or do you watch basketball?

  

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265. "I love how the first thing this cat does is quantify you as a Kobe-lover..."
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Someone who dislikes Kobe, but is actually still able to be relatively objective? That doesn't happen to fit into their selected perceptions lol.

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269. "its not the first time its happened"
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despite the fact that i dont post much here..i guess you cant give kobe props here
without being referred to as a dickrider.

this guy said being a more complete player is just beautifying your game Lol..
what an idiotic statement.

  

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280. "for lebron it mostly would be"
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EDIT: people talk a lot of shit about his offensive game because it isn't pretty enough for them--at the end of the day, he scores a lot pretty damn consistently and at a great rate. He's a SF who is 23 and scoring 30 points a game at practically 50%...it's like complaining Jordan's three point game wasn't strong enough. ok...but he's at the top of the game because he's so unbelievably sick at what he does that even when you know what he's going to do, he'll still get it done.


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283. "his weaknesses were exploited all series"
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he eventually went off because he's a great player so he wont be held down long but it was too late,
cleveland could have easily won game 1 if his game wasnt so basic, he wouldnt have shot so terrible
from the field if his game was well-rounded, instead he was restricted to a perimeter based game,
not his strength to say the least.

and while we're at it, they would have easily won game 7 if he didnt let pierce drop 40 on him

>EDIT: people talk a lot of shit about his offensive game
>because it isn't pretty enough for them--

focus man. its not about his game being prettier, his build and body-type will never allow his game to be
as graceful as kobe or mj, but that doesnt matter at all. its about a team not being able to study film and
construct a gameplan that takes away what you do well because you're nearly one-dimensional offensively.

at the end of the
>day, he scores a lot pretty damn consistently and at a great
>rate. He's a SF who is 23 and scoring 30 points a game at
>practically 50%...it's like complaining Jordan's three point
>game wasn't strong enough.

mike wasnt a great shooter from downtown but he knew that and therefore didnt take many 3 point shots..
apparently james doesnt realize this. but even early on MJ had his mid-range game to rely on,
his skill-set wasnt limited.

ok...but he's at the top of the
>game because he's so unbelievably sick at what he does that
>even when you know what he's going to do, he'll still get it
>done.

he couldn't get it done against a smart defense who took away what he excels at, just like in the finals
last year. it was effective, you pack the paint so deep with defenders that bron has no choice but to shoot
or pass..and he couldnt hit outside shots..thats what the jump shot does in basketball, forces the defense
to extend itself instead of backing off and giving you space, thus making it easier to penetrate.

  

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284. "ok--we're getting somewhere"
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>he eventually went off because he's a great player so he wont
>be held down long but it was too late,
>cleveland could have easily won game 1 if his game wasnt so
>basic, he wouldnt have shot so terrible
>from the field if his game was well-rounded, instead he was
>restricted to a perimeter based game,
>not his strength to say the least.

yes, but he was also missing layups and he was one last second off-balance layup away from stealing that game.

and it takes TOP quality teams to hold him down for even a couple games. that's amazing.

>and while we're at it, they would have easily won game 7 if he
>didnt let pierce drop 40 on him

i blame the shitty trapping a lot for that too, but yeah, his defense could be better. but he's young and its consistently improved.

>focus man. its not about his game being prettier, his build
>and body-type will never allow his game to be
>as graceful as kobe or mj, but that doesnt matter at all. its
>about a team not being able to study film and
>construct a gameplan that takes away what you do well because
>you're nearly one-dimensional offensively.

i mean, we've got a 100+ thread on him being boring. and it's not like every team can do it to him--it's the spurs and the celtics so far who had ANY success doing it. that's a damn good track record at 23.

>mike wasnt a great shooter from downtown but he knew that and
>therefore didnt take many 3 point shots..
>apparently james doesnt realize this. but even early on MJ had
>his mid-range game to rely on,
>his skill-set wasnt limited.

you're taking my point too literally. and yes, lebron should do better with his shot selection. someone said he shoots on feel too much and that makes sense as a critique. but a lot of james taking those threes is because he has the ball all 24 seconds of the clock and has to take it at the last second. that's bad by him and by his coach.

>he couldn't get it done against a smart defense who took away
>what he excels at, just like in the finals
>last year. it was effective, you pack the paint so deep with
>defenders that bron has no choice but to shoot
>or pass..and he couldnt hit outside shots..thats what the jump
>shot does in basketball, forces the defense
>to extend itself instead of backing off and giving you space,
>thus making it easier to penetrate.

but it kinda proves my point--lebron with scrubs got to the finals and almost beat the celtics. and now, if he starts making the 18 foot shot at a strong clip, it's a wrap.

so he doesn't need to have an elaborate post game or take 3s or anything drastic. he mostly just nees to add the same pull up 15-18 ft shot Pierce was abusing the cavs with.

like i originally said, he definitely has some holes. but the talent and drive stuff and kobe being so amazing all-around as though lebron's at fault for not having kobe's game irritates me because lebron's got a different game. he's so strong and has handle and control that his game SHOULD be more focused on that aspect to the detriment of his outside shooting or his shot-fake. it's just that dominant. the comparison shouldn't be that simple.

and i'm sorry if me saying you were on kobe's nut pissed you off--but that line about his talent and drive and his game being so offensively complete is partly because while he can make practically every move and make them all well, he's got no move as dominant as Lebron's drive and that's part of why he's more "complete". and it's not bad of kobe, but it also isn't that bad that lebron is less complete. the real problem is not his lack of "completeness" but rather that his game isn't perfected yet. nor is the team around him a particularly good one for him to reach that perfection.

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286. "yea we're starting to see eye to eye"
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>like i originally said, he definitely has some holes. but the
>talent and drive stuff and kobe being so amazing all-around as
>though lebron's at fault for not having kobe's game irritates
>me because lebron's got a different game.

he does have a different game. i wasnt trying to compare their games to each other in that way, i was just saying
lebron needs a stronger work ethic, just because he's relatively young doesn't mean he couldn't have a more
polished game, which is why i compared him to kobe at the same stage in their careers when someone stated
kobe was better by default because of all the years he's been in this league..which isn't necessarily true.

he's so strong and
>has handle and control that his game SHOULD be more focused on
>that aspect to the detriment of his outside shooting or his
>shot-fake. it's just that dominant. the comparison shouldn't
>be that simple.
>

if he were a big man, than relying on brute strength and being limited would be okay, because he'd always be
in the confines of the paint, but he's not, he's a wing player. theres a difference between having a game
strongly based on attacking and slashing due to your size and strength ... and being nearly one-dimensional.
it should not be to the detriment of other offensive skills, he should be more consistent in other aspects of offense.

>and i'm sorry if me saying you were on kobe's nut pissed you
>off--but that line about his talent and drive and his game
>being so offensively complete is partly because while he can
>make practically every move and make them all well, he's got
>no move as dominant as Lebron's drive and that's part of why
>he's more "complete".

no bruh, he's more complete because thats been his goal since he came into the league, to be the best player
he could be with no holes. he is driven to the point of obsession, and lebron doesnt have to be exactly like that,
thats fine, i dont expect him to be, but he should dedicate more time and hone his skills...
like i said, his athleticism and make-up shouldnt excuse him from expanding his game.

and it's not bad of kobe, but it also
>isn't that bad that lebron is less complete. the real problem
>is not his lack of "completeness" but rather that his game
>isn't perfected yet.

you have to be complete to be considered anywhere near the term perfect.

nor is the team around him a particularly
>good one for him to reach that perfection.

you reach that perfection in the offseason.

>
>(btw, have i proven i know something about basketball now?
>LOL)

yeah sorry, i jumped the gun a bit.

  

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you're one of the most common sense having, highest b-ball Iq person i've seen on here. thank you for spittin knowledge that me and other fellows know.

  

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266. "*smh*"
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>i always have. but he is the best, he has been for years...he
>has the talent and the drive.

sounds much more like a love/hate relationship. he's like the girl you know you should quit to you.

>son, that one aspect can be taken away from you, forcing you
>to rely on other ways to score.

but did it? not really--LeBron got his points and led his team. And by the end of the series he was scoring at will again.

>lol, and he's not a good foul shooter either my dude, which is
>why kobe takes less free throws yet
>scores more from the charity stripe.

and like i said, he's got holes and he should improve them.

>beautify? are you serious? kobe worked on his game until he
>had no weaknesses so he can't be stopped

funny, he's no more unstoppable than bron.

>since he can score from every dimension on the court with
>little to no seperation from defenders and also
>beat his man off the dribble and finish. its not about scoring
>30 a game, its about maximizing your abilities
>so a defense cant hinder or hamper your contribution.

how often have defenses done this? the celtics pulled it off for a couple games and the spurs did it in the finals whn he was 22 and suddenly he's stoppable? then why the fuck does he continue to score more and at a better % than kobe? explain that.

>he's scoring more now because he has to score more. do you
>rely on statistics for everything?
>or do you watch basketball?

ahh...the classic do you watch argument. it's a simple question--if kobe's such a better scorer, why is lebron doing it more efficiently? I don't understand. kobe's certainly a more beautiful scorer, but what does it matter--at the end of the possession, 2 points is 2 points. and the more points wins.

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261. "RE: no, to me that logic is ridiculous"
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>ive criticized kobe in the past for his selfish approach to
>games (though he's made great strides this year).
>but one thing ive always admired about him is how he literally
>dedicated his life to the game of basketball.
>by only his 3rd year as a full-time starter, kobe was
>exceptional offensively..he lacked a great post game
>because the paint was always inhabited by shaq, but he was
>still an amazingly developed offensive player
>who could pretty much score at will. at 22 he was averaging
>about the same amount of points as he did this year.
>kobe chases perfecton..training and working on his game till
>exhaustion..and that's why he's the finest player
>this game has. his drive and desire to be the best player he
>can be is on a jordan level...i dont know if i can say
>the same for bron, which is somewhat disappointing given his
>physical talent and sky-high potential.


Here we go again with this "Kobe is so dedicated to the game" bullshit. I've been making this argument on here for awhile now...and that is: if Kobe, who many say is so committed to the game of basketball, why hasn't he ever shot 50% or better in his career? Now let's take Allen Iverson, someone who has openly stated how much he dislikes "practice"; therefore it would be fairly easy to conclude that Allen Iverson doesn't probably spend nearly as much time as he could or should on his game but yet he and Kobe shoot and have shot nearly the same from the field in their careers. Even this yr. when Kobe has been handed a far better team than he has in yr's past post-Shaq, he still isn't shooting 50%. He and AI are still shooting nearly the same from the field. Now take Jordan on the other hand, he damn near shot 50% FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER and yet he still led the league in scoring (almost every yr. of his career). Therefore it's reasonable to conclude that he spent hours at a time working on his game. Lebron led the league in scoring this yr. and he shot better from the floor than Kobe and his team had to rely on his offense ALOT MORE THAN THE LAKERS WITH KOBE. So someone explain that to me?...especially since Kobe supposedly spends so much time "perfecting" his game.

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207. "Guys, Lebron is a Ball Hog <--DEAL WITH IT"
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Great highlights, talented player

He has individual success at the expense of
his teammates

talented player but very boring to watch the
Cavs play because of it

He just hogs the fucking ball

Just notice how different Pierce's 40+ was
than Lebron's 40+

Pierce's shit was way better because he's not a
fucking ball hog

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245. "and not necessarily based on shots but he dominates the ball"
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252. "Their numbers were damn near identical"
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Their teammates numbers were nearly the same. Except P double had KG with a double double and Rondo running the floor with him. And Posey playing D on the best offensive player on the other squad.

  

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208. "the difference between kobe and bron was on full display in todays game...."
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well one difference at least..and that is in a game that was close till the very end, scoring 45 would normally be great...
but not so great when you also give up 40+ to your man in a must-win game 7.

  

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Kobe, Smush Parker (mental midget, trash & no D), Kwame Brown (Garbage), Stanislav Medvedenko (No D & worse player of all time), Odom, Brian Cook (2nd Year & No D), Luke Walton (2nd Year), Jim Jackson (Old & Dead), Aaron McKie (Old * Dead), Devean George, Chris Mihm

This is the team that Kobe took Phoenix with Nash at his prime & MVP mode to 7 games. There is no way in fucking hell that you can convince me that Lebron could have ever took this team to game 7 against Phoenix. In fact I can't even see them winning one game.


SO all this talk about Kobe never having a team as bad as Lebrons is bullshit.

Also, he took Boston to 7 games. Big fucking deal, so did Atlanta. Lebron basically did the same thing Joe Johnson did. They both lost in 7 games. Dont try to make Boston out to be some great team, when we know these dudes showed how weak they were against Atlanta.

Lebron needs to come over to the Western Conference with the big boys and show me that he can carry a team to the number 1 seed in the western conference. Shit, show me that you can take a sorry ass team in the western conference to the playoffs because as it stands right now, this Cleveland team would not have even been top 9 in the Western Conference.

So please explain to me how the team that Kobe took Phoenix to Game 7 with is any worse then the team that Lebron has now....PLEASE break that down for me because there is no one on this Cleveland team as sorry as Smush, SLava & Kwame, who don't even play in the NBA anymore.

I swear every few years it's somebody new:

AI vs. Kobe
Tracy vs. Kobe
Carmelo Vs. Kobe
Wade Vs. Kobe
Garnette Vs. Kobe
Pierce Vs. Kobe
Nash Vs. Kobe
Lebron & his Mama Vs. Kobe

But there is always one name that never changes as the decade passes: KOBE "I Fuck White Bitches In The Ass" Bryant!!!

  

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213. "lmao!!! but its true"
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>AI vs. Kobe
>Tracy vs. Kobe
>Carmelo Vs. Kobe
>Wade Vs. Kobe
>Garnette Vs. Kobe
>Pierce Vs. Kobe
>Nash Vs. Kobe
>Lebron & his Mama Vs. Kobe
>
>But there is always one name that never changes as the decade
>passes: KOBE "I Fuck White Bitches In The Ass" Bryant!!!

  

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215. "lol, yep! its just like with Tiger Woods, every year there's a new..."
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Duval/Garcia/Mikelson that's supposed to dethrone him but it never happens.

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233. "wonder who its gonna be next year"
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Kobe haters gonna start recycling people

  

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220. "sooo much truth in this post (and you forgot vince better than kobe)"
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"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
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222. "^^^POST ENDING HOT LAVA"
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223. "encore!!"
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>Kobe, Smush Parker (mental midget, trash & no D), Kwame Brown
>(Garbage), Stanislav Medvedenko (No D & worse player of all
>time), Odom, Brian Cook (2nd Year & No D), Luke Walton (2nd
>Year), Jim Jackson (Old & Dead), Aaron McKie (Old * Dead),
>Devean George, Chris Mihm
>
>This is the team that Kobe took Phoenix with Nash at his prime
>& MVP mode to 7 games. There is no way in fucking hell that
>you can convince me that Lebron could have ever took this team
>to game 7 against Phoenix. In fact I can't even see them
>winning one game.
>
>
>SO all this talk about Kobe never having a team as bad as
>Lebrons is bullshit.
>
>Also, he took Boston to 7 games. Big fucking deal, so did
>Atlanta. Lebron basically did the same thing Joe Johnson did.
> They both lost in 7 games. Dont try to make Boston out to be
>some great team, when we know these dudes showed how weak they
>were against Atlanta.
>
>Lebron needs to come over to the Western Conference with the
>big boys and show me that he can carry a team to the number 1
>seed in the western conference. Shit, show me that you can
>take a sorry ass team in the western conference to the
>playoffs because as it stands right now, this Cleveland team
>would not have even been top 9 in the Western Conference.
>
>So please explain to me how the team that Kobe took Phoenix to
>Game 7 with is any worse then the team that Lebron has
>now....PLEASE break that down for me because there is no one
>on this Cleveland team as sorry as Smush, SLava & Kwame, who
>don't even play in the NBA anymore.
>
>I swear every few years it's somebody new:
>
>AI vs. Kobe
>Tracy vs. Kobe
>Carmelo Vs. Kobe
>Wade Vs. Kobe
>Garnette Vs. Kobe
>Pierce Vs. Kobe
>Nash Vs. Kobe
>Lebron & his Mama Vs. Kobe
>
>But there is always one name that never changes as the decade
>passes: KOBE "I Fuck White Bitches In The Ass" Bryant!!!

<--- we've got bush!

  

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224. "apparently he fucks you in the ass too"
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you're playing the dumbass 'bron couldn't do this or beat them in hypothetical situation'...and you should know by now that if this argument comes down to hypotheticals, kobe gonna lose (like, "if he bitched to random people on camera about andrew bynum, what would he say about drew gooden or larry hughes?") so let's leave the hypotheticals out.

bottom line is, in REALITY:

Has kobe led a team of scrubs anywhere of note in the playoffs? No. (NOPE! half of the people cosigning that shit about nash and the suns being so great are people that rip into nash on the regular)

Has bron led a team of scrubs to the NBA Finals? Yes.

Everything else on that topic, to use a certain laker fan's favorite phrase, is PLEAS being COPPED

i'm not indifferent to some of the kobe>>bron arguments, some of them def have some merit, but that one was pretty poor.


edit: oh and one thing i find funny is this, if when all stah and others made those posts that had the implication of "jordan>>kobe" and y'all lakers fans threw a parade cause you said it meant that everyone was 'scared' of that being true...what do all these "kobe>>lebron" posts y'all making mean?

  

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234. "one thing that was truth is alot of people that hate on bron"
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fear he is gonna be better than kobe, and he will one day (more than likely) but just not now. I though he was there but he is not.

Now just ask yourself: Why 95% of GMs, Coaches, and Players say Kobe is the best? Its not because he is well liked.

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240. "It's a fair point, but"
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95% of the 'experts' (coaches, media, other schools' players) agreed that USC was "one of the greatest teams of all time" a couple years ago, and we saw how that turned out against Texas.

95% of the 'experts' agreed that the Pats were the best team of all-time and we saw how that turned out in the super bowl.

95% of the 'experts' say a lot of things, so I'm not really inclined to believe them

  

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243. "the only thing is media usually says the popular thing to say"
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but in this case lebron is the popular thing over kobe.

Too the media was making predictions with those examples, (and by the way I had texas winning, and stated the blue print to beating the pats on this board well since before the cowboys played them, and new york followed it to the T)

So im not basing my stuff off no media hype. Its right there in front of ya. Bron has more flaws in his game than Kobe.

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247. "i don't really agree that bron is the popular thing over kobe."
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both the league, and the media involved with the league, would pretty obviously rather have the league's best player be playing for one of its two most famous franchises, in the 2nd biggest city in the country, than have the league's best player play in a much less important city for a franchise with no history of anything at all except losing.

no matter how great or famous lebron is, it's a lot sexier to have the league's best player in LA playing for the lakers. hence the popular consensus is going to be that kobe is the best player in the league well after the point where it becomes obvious that bron has surpassed him (regardless of whether one thinks that point has already happened, is imminent, or will never happen). that's why i don't take it seriously.

  

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249. "so do you think kobe is the leagues best player?"
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cause you said it twice in the last post.

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251. "well what i was saying was..."
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they have reason to call him the league's best player...they want him to be the league's best player, which is why they call him the league's best player.

as for 'league's best player', if you asked me who i would rather have on my team (obviously throwing out positional considerations, just pretending that you're starting from scratch), i'd pick lebron. kobe might have a more well-rounded game for now, but IMO i'd rather have lebron on my team...that's generally what i use as my criteria, the player i would most like to have on my team...others might go about reaching the conclusion differently.

  

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257. "they want kobe to be the best player over the face of the sport in bron?"
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thats absurd. since colorado james has been the media darling,
with the marketability and likability kobe lacked.

  

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253. "RE: one thing that was truth is alot of people that hate on bron"
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>fear he is gonna be better than kobe, and he will one day
>(more than likely) but just not now. I though he was there but
>he is not.

He´s there right now...gtfoh....his team played probably it´s WORST game of the playoffs (only one other player in double figures) and he nearly beat the "best" team in the east on their home court (by himself).
>
>Now just ask yourself: Why 95% of GMs, Coaches, and Players
>say Kobe is the best? Its not because he is well liked.

OK, u can argue that Kobe maybe more talented offensively but I don't give a shit what anybody else says, Lebron is just as good if not better than Kobe RIGHT NOW!....who do you think those "players" you mentioned would rather play with?

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241. "^^^Actual facts (c) Lord Finesse"
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Minus the "fucks you in the ass" part. That was uncalled for.

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231. "lol, so those pistons teams weren't good at all???"
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they've been the only thing consistently good about the Eastern Conference. they were the defending champs and bron took them to game 7 single-handedly, then beat them in 6 the next year after being down 0-2. 1st year he averages 30 ppg and the next yearput together a legendary performance in game 5 against the best D of the past few years.

and i distinctly remember everyone thinking the suns-lakers series was pretty evenly matched going in despite the 2-7 matchup. not to mention the fact that you could also just as easily say he blew a 3-1 lead.

everyone wished bron would beat the pistons but didn't think he had a chance in hell. it was his FIRST year in the playoffs and he took the defending champs to game 7, and that means nothing?

  

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263. "For real. He BEAT the Pistons nearly singlehandedly..."
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...and he took the #1 team in the league to the very wire of Game 7 this year.

Both times he had scrubby-ass teams too. And Kobe developed on a team loaded with stars, Lebron doesn't have a few years to work on developing the way Kobe has. He's had to be the best player on the team, in the conference, since the minute he stepped on the court. With the teammates he has, he has zero alternative course of action. He is learning to be a team leader himself, he is learning how to distribute the ball himself. He doesn't have all-star teammates teaching him these things.

Did he ever take Nash and Phoenix to 7? No. He made the Finals with a rookie Boobie Gibson as his 2nd best teammate tho.

The Lebron hate is simply folks backlashing against (a) the officiating, and (b) Bomb's post. It got people THAT mad.

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267. "for real, that post has to be the most effective hate EVER"
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it's successfully fueled 2 months of arguing alone.

clear front-runner for hate of the year and sports post of the year.

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268. "these posts are what makes OKS entertaining and all."
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but seriously, people can't sit back and enjoy both players, they just HAVE to take a side. ridiculous.

  

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270. "And what's funny is cats be legitimately hating on both"
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simply because somebody thinks the other is better. I let the sixers fans here allow me to go in on AI. But I'm just going to read these Bron vs Bean posts.

  

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272. "hating on a star doesn't really make sense when you think about it."
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despite their shortcomings, and whether they can truly lead a team or not, they're STILL a star for a reason. hate on kandi man or something. it's easy...and you can't be wrong.

  

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277. "RE: For real. He BEAT the Pistons nearly singlehandedly..."
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really though, on top of that kobe had a team that was conscious from the get go about using him properly whereas Cleveland has seemed to give absolute zero shits about that. he is a wing player that brings the ball up, handles it out front and runs the offense. hmm, is he really a wing player? he is more like AI on steroids the way they composed this team only they have Eric Snow 10 years too late so it's even more of a dribbleathon.

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237. "but they STILL don't hear you tho."
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Lebron will be there in a couple of years.

but right now Mamba holds the #1 spot.

deal with it.


  

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295. "sigworthy!"
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>I swear every few years it's somebody new:
>
>AI vs. Kobe
>Tracy vs. Kobe
>Carmelo Vs. Kobe
>Wade Vs. Kobe
>Garnette Vs. Kobe
>Pierce Vs. Kobe
>Nash Vs. Kobe
>Lebron & his Mama Vs. Kobe
>
>But there is always one name that never changes as the decade
>passes: KOBE "I Fuck White Bitches In The Ass" Bryant!!!

  

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225. "oh word? kobe never give up 40 in a big game?"
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200801270LAL.html

what's that? he didn't guard bron for most of the game you wanna say? why not? he's not good enough to guard bron? i thought he was a great defender and thats his huge edge over bron? if he is, why wouldn't he guard the other teams best player?

  

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226. "They play different positions. Stay mad."
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>what's that? he didn't guard bron for most of the game you
>wanna say? why not? he's not good enough to guard bron? i
>thought he was a great defender and thats his huge edge over
>bron? if he is, why wouldn't he guard the other teams best
>player?

And it wasn't in the playoffs.

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227. "so a 2 has never guarded a 3 before?"
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there's only a couple inches difference in height, and kobe is supposed to be a great defender, so why wouldn't he guard the other team's best player?

people on here (some of the same people who are kobestans in fact) wanna rip Elmo alternately for not defending a good center, or for not defending a good power forward depending on the matchup. So why doesn't kobe get held the same standard?

  

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228. "This ain't a Dirk post. Why are you so furious?"
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And what's better is that the same can
go the other way;

Why wouldn't Lebron guard Kobe?

So until you answer your half of that question
I don't have to answer mine.

And one thing is beyond debate:

Kobe is a far superior defender. Far.
Far. Far.

And that was a regular season game that
you posted NOT GAME 7 IN THE PLAYOFFS.

So the comparison is stupid and irrelevant
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229. "According to y'all, Bron is a shitty defender."
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So if it's not his strength, it wouldn't be nearly as perplexing then if it's someone who's apparently one of the best defenders in the league. Oh, and I recall that Bron did D up Kobe in the closing seconds and forced him to take and miss a tough J, whereas Bron hit the game-clinching J on Kobe.

And who brought up Dirk? What does Dirk have to do with anything? You're getting so nervous about this that you're bringing up irrelevant people that play on my favorite team just cause you think I'm gonna get flustered. Not a good look.

Oh, and remember what happened the last time Kobe played in a Game 7? How'd that compare to Bron's game 7 performance?

  

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230. "LOL! Oh, so now we're using double standards."
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>So if it's not his strength, it wouldn't be nearly as
>perplexing then if it's someone who's apparently one of the
>best defenders in the league. Oh, and I recall that Bron did D
>up Kobe in the closing seconds and forced him to take and miss
>a tough J, whereas Bron hit the game-clinching J on Kobe.

Haha. You're using ONE play to defend Lebron?

And why are you using double standards?

So its okay for Lebron to not guard Kobe because
Lebron is a shitty defender, yet somehow its
wrong for Kobe to not defend Lebron because Kobe
is a good defender?

LOL.

How about Lebron BECOME a good defender so that
we can even have this discussion.

And you're missing something:

The best way to defend Lebron is with TEAM
defense.

Paul Pierce is not the same. He specializes
in one on one moves and quirky ways to score.
He's not a physical powerhouse like that and
so Lebron is directly responsible for Pierce's
going apeshit.


Defending Lebron is more like defending
Shaquille -- you need to collapse and
force him to get the rock in difficult
positions. That doesn't fall on one
player.


>And who brought up Dirk? What does Dirk have to do with
>anything? You're getting so nervous about this that you're
>bringing up irrelevant people that play on my favorite team
>just cause you think I'm gonna get flustered. Not a good look.

Uh. Lol. I brought up Dirk because that was the last
time you were this furious over a basketball player.


>Oh, and remember what happened the last time Kobe played in a
>Game 7? How'd that compare to Bron's game 7 performance?

Who cares. At least he plays defense.


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232. "Or maybe the point was,"
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Kobe's not nearly as good a defender as you trying to say he is.

So Bron isn't the type of player that you throw someone on him one on one, but Pierce is. So then if the Lakers and Celtics play, and since Kobe is a good defender, THAT, according to the standards you just defined, is a situation where you'd want to throw Kobe - the best defender - on Pierce right? Do you think the Lakers will do that if they play in the finals? If not, why not?

  

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235. "one thing"
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>Paul Pierce is not the same. He specializes
>in one on one moves and quirky ways to score.
>He's not a physical powerhouse like that and
>so Lebron is directly responsible for Pierce's
>going apeshit.

while bron was certainly at fault for a lot of Pierce's explosion, it also helped that the trapping efforts by his help defenders all game long were consistently AWFUL. I've never seen a player split a trap so often and more often than not, it was because Lebron's help defender took a bad angle.

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246. " i will answer about game 7"
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>
>
>>Oh, and remember what happened the last time Kobe played in
>a
>>Game 7? How'd that compare to Bron's game 7 performance?
>
kobe scored on phx all year, the problem is they lost every game. Kobe used his team to get that far in the series, and they disappeared in game 7. Everyone saw it. So if kobe goes on a scoring spree the argument would then be, kobe forgot about his team mates and had to try to be the superstar.
>
>
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>O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
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264. "Kobe stopped Lebron on the final play in the Red vs Blue FIBA scrimmage!..."
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Kobe hit the jumper on one end to get the lead, and then was able to force Lebron into a mid-ranger floater that went short!!!! lmao.

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258. "RE: This ain't a Dirk post. Why are you so furious?"
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>
>And what's better is that the same can
>go the other way;
>
>Why wouldn't Lebron guard Kobe?
>
>So until you answer your half of that question
>I don't have to answer mine.
>
>And one thing is beyond debate:
>
>Kobe is a far superior defender. Far.
>Far. Far.

Bullshit!!...half of you mofo's just repeat what you hear on tv or what you hear other people saying...hahaha...Kobe's D has been overrated for some time now but people keep acting like his D is SO GOOD...give me an example in this yr's playoffs where his "excellent" D was on display. Up until this last gm. against Boston, Bron had been locking Paul Pierce up but he's a very, very good player therefore it was bound for him to play a good gm. at some point in this series, unfortunately it was gm. seven.
>
>And that was a regular season game that
>you posted NOT GAME 7 IN THE PLAYOFFS.
>
>So the comparison is stupid and irrelevant
>off cuff
>
>
>
>
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>
>O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
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244. "no kobe hater can use a double standard arguement! w/that"
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said i agree with some of your points. But kobe haters have more double tongues than anyone.

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271. "Can we all agree on one thing though?"
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Can we all read thejerseytornado's post in here and picture him on the computer looking like this?:

http://tinyurl.com/2uxqry

Man this muhfucka sounds like he on some Network mad as hell shit.

  

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273. "lmao"
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275. "For real man...cats are in here with a great sense of humor"
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but he comes off as REALLY REALLY mad. lol

  

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281. "i don't cop feelings over messageboards"
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i mostly don't care about this bron/kobe thing.

but thanks for caring 'bout me. much appreciated.

if O_E doesn't realize the sig is making fun of him thinking I get even remotely piqued by the shit on okaysports, then, just, smh.

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274. "Read his sig. I been up on his fury."
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Dude be gettin mad

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279. "that cat doesnt know basketball"
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he's a boxscore monger

>Can we all read thejerseytornado's post in here and picture
>him on the computer looking like this?:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2uxqry
>
>Man this muhfucka sounds like he on some Network mad as hell
>shit.

  

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282. "thanks for joining"
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*checks post number*

*realizes you don't read many celtics posts, do you?*

alright then.

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278. "Yeah, this post is hilarious, for all the usual reasons. Good show."
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________________________________________________________________________
Oh my God
She's so hot
She's so flippin' hot
She's like a curry
I wanna tell her how hot she is
But she'll think I'm being sexist
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287. "lock me plez"
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288. "http://onthebuzzer.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kobe2.jpg"
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291. "i'll still claim it, fuck kobe"
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lebron is better and always will be

give bron gasol midseason instead of old ass wallace, shit just get michael redd next season, then we will have a better comparison

all this gloating, but the cavs beat the lakers this year when it was no gasol...

  

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292. "RE: i'll still claim it, fuck kobe"
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Kobe's going to get his with or without the charity line(case in point the Spurs series). Can't say the same about Bron. He lacks the proper overall game that kobe has. If you truly understand the game of bball you would know this OR you let hate and anger run your life. Either way it doesn't change reality. Kobe is better and it's painfully obvious to a lot of you on here.

  

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307. "yeah, kobe got his last night, right in the vagina"
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one more game...

  

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293. "you mean.... the same shit we were sayin abuot kobe for 3 years?"
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the shit we said about kg? yeah

give a great player a good supporting cast, and he can compete. thats how it works.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

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294. "LOL @ Wille haters on the ropes"
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they scarred as shit

  

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297. "lol"
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303. "LOL @ a lame ass Bull fan who adopted Peanut only to inherit this huge L"
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BWAHAAAHAAABWAHAAAHAAABWAHAAAHAAA!!!

YOU BACKED A SUCKER AND THEN PAID LIKE ONE, PUSSY!!!!

YOU CAN'T WIN!!!!!(c)A.Balboa

BWHAHAAAHAAAHAAABWAHAAAHAAHA
BWAHAHAAAAHAHAAABWAAAHAAAAAA
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320. "LOL@ a lame ass bitch who roots for....hol up"
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who the fuck do you even root for?

I still rep the bulls
and Kobe is still the MVP

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321. "kobe certainly ain't finals MVP"
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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326. "nah i wouldnt argue against that"
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Pierce still a faking ass bitch though
(and i know they about to get a ring but c'mon)




  

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328. "Simmons got this one right too:"
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Pierce played the day after surgery for getting stabbed 11 times.

he's not a faker.

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349. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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>Pierce played the day after surgery for getting stabbed 11
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370. "Pierce is like Jim Brown"
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he don't really feel pain. lol. Even when he missed all those games last season, about 75% of the games he missed were more to do with Ainge wanting the team to tank rather than him being that seriously hurt. Dude is extremely durable.

  

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373. "Yeah, but how many times has Kobe........."
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over exaggerated an injury just so people would bring up the Jordan comparison....."Kobe is playing hurt, what mental toughness he has, reminiscent of Jordan".......GTFOHWTBS!!"....LOL

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368. "RE: kobe certainly ain't finals MVP"
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>MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>
>-----------
><- coaches my squad TO VICTORY

NO SHIT....LOL

I didn't really think he deserved regular season MVP over Paul either but this is better because now everyone gets to see him lose badly . His team, which was presumed to cruise through the finals, is getting their asses handed to them.

And the "WILL TO WIN" guy can't do anything about it.....LOL

What will this say about his legacy if they lose this finals? (particularly if they lose 4-1

I know what will be said, KOBE NEEDED SHAQ JUST AS MOST REAL BASKETBALL HEADS KNEW ANYWAY.

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335. "I root for the Sixers who's>>>>>DaBulls & Bron who's>>>>>Peanut"
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any more dumb questions, slappy?

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298. "Bron 2-2... Kobe 1-3..."
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Bron team... worse...


  

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304. "^^^Do The Math"
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.

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309. "According to this logic the Hawks are a better team than the Spurs."
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310. "what logic?? I'm just tryng to make people mad"
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336. "NOPE! Spurs got rings,theyre in an even year,their legacy is set already"
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the onus of proof was on this Laker team lead by Peanut, so far.....they're failing.

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299. "How'd I know this was gonna be uped"
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while we're at it, let's have a josh smith >>>>>>> Kobe post, seeing that he did lead the hawks to 7 against the celts.

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301. "Joe Johnson>>>>Entire Laker franchise"
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nm

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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305. "Put Bron on the Hawks & they'd be beating Peanut in these finals"
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No pleas, please.

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308. "Pleas?"
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Ima sixers fan. But the reason this was upped is b/c it looks like Kobe's going out in 5 or 6 to a celts team (that is playing waaaay better now then they were in May) when Lebron went 7 with em. All I'm saying is based on that reasoning Josh Smith >>>>>>>> Kobe. And y'all need to quit with the if's. If Chris Paul was on that Hawks sqaud they may beat the Celts. Same goes for Timmy D, Deron, and Kobe. The Celtics were playing like shit early on. Ray didn't find his jumper 'till the pistons series. So what?

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312. "^^^ pleas copped ^^^"
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>to a celts team (that is
>playing waaaay better now then they were in May) when Lebron
>went 7 with em.

>The Celtics were
>playing like shit early on. Ray didn't find his jumper 'till
>the pistons series. So what?


Bottom line, this is about kobe vs lebron not kobe vs the rest of the nba... kobe vs LEBRON nigga stay focused.

  

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333. "Usa dummy"
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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319. "sheeit the cavs squad now can beat the lakers.."
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if only we had taken game 1 in boston...

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300. "it's posts like these that make OKP the greatest place on the net"
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302. "BRON BETTER!!!!! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAKESHOW"
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cavs clearly #2 team in the nba

  

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306. "^^^Posting With Nightvision Goggles"
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311. "Bron got SWEPT in the Finals."
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313. "Kobe went 1-4 vs Detroit w/ 2 HOFers & Phil"
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Bron ETHERED detroit w/ bums & a coach who has a total of 2 offensive plays


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318. "& Bron still got swept in the finals..."
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Oh yeah,. & so did Shaq...
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323. "cmon"
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324. "cmon = oksports speak for facts..."
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327. "oksports fact = cmon u mad"
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329. "mad factual.. yes - LOL"
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350. "with who as his teammates again?"
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314. "heehee"
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don't even need to say nothing. just laugh.

LOLOLOLOL.

Bron woulda NEVER let that happen to his team. NOPE.

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315. "ARCHIVE."
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<---Northern by Birth, Southern By the Grace of Allah (swt)
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317. "did the original one get archived?"
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i'm too lazy/hyped up to check.

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334. "amazingly enough, probably not"
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338. "not archived YET"
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but it was locked.

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342. "Im not 1 to politic for archival,especially on posts I started but c'mon"
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365. "Now how is it that the original is locked but the this one isn't"
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that's what I don't understand. We can't have no fun.

  

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316. "This is a better comparison than Kobe to Jordan; that comparison"
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is ridiculous.

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322. "Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Kobe >> Pierce?"
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>Show yourself and in turn play yourself, so that the rest of
>us in the real world can identify you from here on out.
>
>I laugh at you delusional assholes.
>
>Fuck y'all and the horses you rode in on.

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325. "in lebron have pj dunk on his head in a playoff game?"
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330. "this shit keeps cracking me up. Is it possible to enjoy both?????"
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my goodness.


  

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331. "pick a side, this is OKsports version of capitalism/communism"
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there is no happy medium--no socialism allowed!

is the land of kobestan an evil empire or not?!?!?

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332. "RE: this shit keeps cracking me up. Is it possible to enjoy both?????"
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*ponders logic*

*head explodes*

  

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337. "nope, that's equivalent to riding for Jay and Nas in The Lesson"
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Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball, and you join your mother...in death. You don't understand my words, but you must choose.

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339. "haha, basically."
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i love jay in "real life" but in the lesson?

the camel lost. period.

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343. "would this series be Kobe's 'Superugly'?"
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>i love jay in "real life" but in the lesson?
>
>the camel lost. period.

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389. "Dayum. lol."
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Only if LeBron fucked Kobe's wife and made a commercial about it.

  

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340. "RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K..."
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Somehow I knew this post would be up today...lol

And yes, I'm hear to say that LEBRON IS BETTER THAN KOBE BEAN BRYANT,PERIOD!!

Everyone from the media to kobe lovers on this site said that essentially this would be Kobe's coronation....Pierce and the Celtics had other things in mind...lol

Now let me ask all whose concerned: DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT A SQUAD WITH LEBRON, ODOM, GASOL, AND FISHER WOULD BE LOSING 3-1 RIGHT NOW?? I can answer that for you, HELL NAW!

This would make the second time thaT Kobe has been in a finals that his team was supposed to win and to only end up losing, decisively I might add. (It´s not over yet but I think it's clear whose the better team)

Now take a look at Lebron's Cavs: Wally, Z, Wallace, and West. That squad was a three pointer away from going back to the Eastern conf. finals against the Pistons. A game where no one scored in double figures except Delonte West amd they still almost pulled it off, on the road I might add.

Once again this just proves that once the media starts saying something over and over, everyone repeats the same BULLSHIT e.g. "KOBE BRYANT IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET"....all i have to say to that is...GTFOHWTBS!!

In case no one knew this, Pierce asked to guard Kobe and guess what: Kobe shot (6-20). Where is this "will to win guy" that everyone keeps saying he is. And where is this first team ALL-TEAM defense that he supposedly possesses.

There is no reason that the Lakers should be losing this series so convincingly, especially when you have the league's MVP, a better team overall and a deeper bench and one of the "greatest coaches of all time." (somewhere I know Red is laughing his ass off)

I curious to see what excuses the Kobe lovers are going to have on this here post. And yes, for the record, Lebron got swept in last yrs. finals but lets be honest, no one really believed they would beat the Spurs in seven games. Kobe and the Lakers on the other hand were predicted by almost everyone that they would win this series in 5 or 6 games.

This is Lebron's league...deal with it!

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346. "^^^ this nigga done had a fresh lasik procedure"
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347. "RE: ^^^ this nigga done had a fresh lasik procedure"
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348. "^^^ Holly shit dude i'm seriously dyin right now"
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353. "bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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367. "WHATEVER....."
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Subterfuge is always a way to divert attention from the issue at hand.

Can you honestly say that you thought this series would be 3-1 in favor of the Celtics??

And I ask you in all seriousness, do youy really think it would be the same result if Lebron was on the squad??....let me answer that for ya, FUCK NO!!....most of you know it true but you will never admit it, at least on this thread.

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354. "^^^Mothafuckn' Dr. of Optometry^^^^"
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341. "you dickhead niggas can sit around in denial all you want..."
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but the fact is that if you know anything abt science, this is as close to a controlled experiment as you're ever gonna get.

there's never gonna be a situation where every single variable factor is *exactly* the same, but within a relatively small timeframe both guys have played best-of-7 series against the same team and lebron (so far) has fared better, even tho kobe is supposedly the better player and inarguably has the superior supporting cast.

sorry but dem dere is da facts, sport. no 2 ways abt it. you cats always wanna argue conjecture + hypotheticals, but now that we basically have an "a vs. b" simulation playing out in front of us, you wanna ignore the results b/c they don't advance yr agenda.

typical okaysports.

so let's see now. from my tally, lebron puts up better individual stats in almost every significant category, he's won their last 5(?) head-to-head meetings, he fared better against the pistons defense in '06 and '07 than beanboy did in '04, and so far he's fared better against the '08 celtics defense. all w/ inferior supporting casts.

but rapey mcwinner is better.

is that it? did i miss anything?

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344. "nah, you pretty much nailed it"
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>so let's see now. from my tally, lebron puts up better
>individual stats in almost every significant category, he's
>won their last 5(?) head-to-head meetings, he fared better
>against the pistons defense in '06 and '07 than beanboy did in
>'04, and so far he's fared better against the '08 celtics
>defense. all w/ inferior supporting casts.
>
>but rapey mcwinner is better.
>
>is that it? did i miss anything?

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345. "one thing:"
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

now its complete.

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412. "oops, i forgot "gives an effort beyond the 1st qtr in elimination games""
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414. "change that to first five minutes and you're dead on"
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351. "FLAWLWSS VICTORY"
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352. "^ WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT!!"
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355. "as shitty as Kobe as played against Boston Lebron was WORSE..."
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2 for 18, 10 turnovers? FOH.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008050602

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359. "Excellent point."
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361. "holla when he wins more than 1 game with a better team or puts up"
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32/12/6 and 45/6/5 in back-to-back elimination games.

or beats Bron head-to-head with a better team, or is better statistically than Bron in any major category outside three-point & free-throw percentage, and on and on.

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374. "talk to these fools, fam"
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>32/12/6 and 45/6/5 in back-to-back elimination games.
>
>or beats Bron head-to-head with a better team, or is better
>statistically than Bron in any major category outside
>three-point & free-throw percentage, and on and on.

They are on the verge of losing 4-1 or 4-2 series and there is simply no explaination or excuse as to the reason why. Garnett is still MIA at times and Pierce and Allen has struggled as well yet they are whipping the Lakers SUN DRIED ASS.

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366. "RE: as shitty as Kobe as played against Boston Lebron was WORSE..."
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>2 for 18, 10 turnovers? FOH.
>
>http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008050602

And he still played better against Boston than the "WILL TO WIN GUY"....LOL

I said it before and I'll say it again, LEBRON IS THE BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER.....Kobe MIGHT be the more fluid offensive player but because of Lebron's physicality, he just might be more effective on the offensive end simply because there's no one who can match up against him, especially when he decides he wants to take it to the hole.

And again I have to ask, do any of you Kobe LOVERS really think that if Kobe and Lebron switched places the results would be the same??....cmon

I don't think it's any coincidence that Pierce struggled the entire series against the Cavs because he was guarding Lebron but he's better able to guard Kobe than Lebron simply because of the size difference and as a result he will probably be the MVP of the finals.


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372. "You're talking about one game......"
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>2 for 18, 10 turnovers? FOH.

Lebron definitely played a shitty game one but for the series his impact was felt alot more than Kobe bean. You all can come up with meaningless stats to support your futile argument but the fact still remains: Boston IS THE BETTER TEAM but before this series played out, everyone thought this would be a 4-1 or 4-2 series in favor of the Lakers. Everything was lined up in their favor: THE "MVP", HOW EASILY THEY CRUISED TO WESTERN CONF.FINALS, BETTER SUPPORTING CAST, ONE OF THE "ALL-TIME GREATEST COACHES" AND THEY HAVE PROVEN TO BE SO FAR, THE CELTICS EASIEST COMPETITION....LOL
>
>http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008050602

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356. "ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner"
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*lol*

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357. "Yeah, Ray Allen's been the exact same for example in both series."
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360. "Marvelettes Girl Sings: Pleas, Pleas, Wait A Minute Mr. Postman!"
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*Bomb in best barber shop voice*: Pleas Mr. Postman, look and see, Peanut's losing worse with a much better team.

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363. "RE: Yeah, Ray Allen's been the exact same for example in both series."
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379. "that is where i live now, lol"
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greene county!

  

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369. "RE: you dickhead niggas can sit around in denial all you want..."
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Teach these fools, fam....lol

before this series started all the Lakers fans on this thread were already talking about Kobe getting another chip. Some of those same people haven't posted a comment since the series isn't going how they planned.

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371. "word. Man the Lakers fans were straight shooting clips"
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Lakers in 5, Lakers in 6. lol

  

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378. "Say what you will..."
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...but all the Laker fans have shown up. Some predicted a win, most didn't say we'd win in 5 (I certainly didn't), but the ones who predicted 5 or 6 games typically were fans of other teams (Bombastic, Marauder, etc.)

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381. "did you see me though lach.... celtics in 4, celtics in 5"
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i knew... i watched both conference playoffs

  

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375. "So, Joe Johnson just as good as Le Bron right?"
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376. "RE: So, Joe Johnson just as good as Le Bron right?"
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Yo, I'm from the ATL. and I got nothing but love for Joe J. but he alone wasn't dominating the Celtics.(like Lebron) The team played really well at home and Joe Johnson stunk the place up in game seven just like the rest of the Hawks team. Lebron on the other hand was on the verge of single handedly pulling off another incredible upset. No one on the Cavs squad played well in game seven except Lebron and they still almost won on the road. So, Joe Johnson is not in the same league as Lebron (no pun intended)....at least until he balls out on the road in a meaningful playoff game.

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377. "RE: So, Joe Johnson just as good as Le Bron right?"
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>Yo, I'm from the ATL. and I got nothing but love for Joe J.
>but he alone wasn't dominating the Celtics.

Dominating the celtics? Do you remember games 1 & 2 where Lebron shot a combined 8 for 46 and where he had 17 turnovers?!?! Eeven in games 4-6 he was only shooting 39% from the field. Thats dominating?!?! You really only saw game seven of that series huh? Dumb ass okp niggas man. Y'all will say anything.

I ain't even a fan/hater of either Kobe or LeBron but I swear y'all making me pick sides. I mean, the LeBron stannery is getting close to the Kobe level. I can only imagine what will happen if he wins a chip.

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380. "no, you're a bron hater, you really don't see it?"
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383. "I'm a hater b/c I said he wasn't dominant in that series?"
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If dude said paul pierce was dominant in that series I'd call him out as well (even though Peirce did play better than Bron and his team won the series). Y'all really gotta take the Bron posters down and watch the games. Bron played very well in game 7 but that was it. He was horrible in the first two games. Then he was average at best in the next three. The majority of that series he was not dominant, he was anything but.

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386. "RE: I'm a hater b/c I said he wasn't dominant in that series?"
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lol @ pierce being "better" that series. btw there's no real Lebron stannery on this board, just cat's who hate Kobe and are looking for someone better.

  

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387. "^^Stan"
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No seriously, you only pop up when defending Bron. On the Pierce argument, yea Pierce wasn't better but he and Bron were equal as far as effectiveness in that series. If Bron was dominant, as dude above said, then so was Pierce.

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388. "RE: I'm a hater b/c I said he wasn't dominant in that series?"
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>If dude said paul pierce was dominant in that series I'd call
>him out as well (even though Peirce did play better than Bron
>and his team won the series). Y'all really gotta take the Bron
>posters down and watch the games. Bron played very well in
>game 7 but that was it. He was horrible in the first two
>games. Then he was average at best in the next three. The
>majority of that series he was not dominant, he was anything
>but.

Oh, I guess you forgot about gm.6 (32pts 12 rebs 6asst)...not to mention the MONSTER DUNK OVER GARNETT

Okay, let me be specific, He dominated the Celtics the last TWO GAMES....is that better for you??

Oh, and you're wrong again...Pierce didn't play better than Bron in the whole series. His best game was also gm. 7

I guess no one wants to give credit to Bron for d'ing Pierce up for most of the series.

I was comparing Joe Johnson's play in gm. 7 to Lebron's performance in gm. 7....so I hope we cleared that up

And the point still stand that Lebron has been more effective than Kobe in this series even though Kobe has the better team

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382. "no, his team got blown out in game 7"
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390. "Archive"
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391. "RE: Who Of You Dumb Fucks Is Still Trying To Claim Bron Is Better Than K..."
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392. "wow..i wish..I was there"
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that place is going to explode!!

great moment ...

  

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393. "BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA, HE WHO LAUGHS LAST, FAGGOTS!!!"
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http://www.winonlyriders.net/thelostforum/cinema/RockyBalboa5.jpg

All that hype. All that shit y'all talked liked Peanut was better......and then even better than MJ?

LMAO, he's a front-running pussy. His teammates and coaches don't like him and he doesn't trust them, no matter what the PR machine told you.

Dude quit in the second quarter like he quit versus Phoenix and Detroit.

Forty points in an elimination game?

BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAHH.........FOH!

Don't ever come to me with this story about how this cat's been the best.

THE KOBE BRYANT ERA NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

Since Jordan, it's Shaq/Duncan and we skipped right over Willie to end up at Bron.

Cry about it and let that sink it all damn summer.

I'm looking forward to the Phil retirement and Kobe-shits-on-his-supporting-cast moments that are coming as well.

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394. "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY MAD BOMB!!!"
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They wanted this title to prove Kobe to the world

  

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397. "HAHAAAAHHAAAAA, KOBE ON THE BENCH FACIAL-TICKING!!!"
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Two straight performances where he dissapears after the first five minutes in an elimination game, lolololololol(c)WC.

NOPE!!!!!! The 'KBE' NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!

PIERCE IS A HALL OF FAMER NOW, BWHAAAHAAAAHAAAA!!!!!

PHIL GONNA QUIT!!!!!KOBE GONNA SHIT(on everyone)!!!!!!!

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395. "Who of U dumb fucks is still trying to claim Kobe is as good as Jordan?"
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396. "Better than Lebron? Sheeeit"
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I've never EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a Lebron team go out like this in a playoff game no matter how overmatched they were...which they always were.

  

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398. "^^^Infrared Goggles In The Ted Williams Tunnel Levels of SEEING IT"
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409. "LeBron, by himself, took the Celtics to 7."
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And they NEVER looked as bad as the Lakers looked tonight.

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420. "ummm...didn't Lebron get SWEPT in the Finals last year?"
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>I've never EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a Lebron team go out like
>this in a playoff game no matter how overmatched they
>were...which they always were.

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421. "RE: ummm...didn't Lebron get SWEPT in the Finals last year?"
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>>I've never EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a Lebron team go out
>like
>>this in a playoff game no matter how overmatched they
>>were...which they always were.
>

His point still stands....close out game of that finals they got beat by one

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429. "MOTHAFUCKA TALK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!"
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430. ""
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>I've never EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a Lebron team go out like
>this in a playoff game no matter how overmatched they
>were...which they always were.

but Bron's on track, like a Long Island train conductor

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400. "KOBE PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCED!"
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next month in a LA parking lot near you.
bring your cameras.

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404. "haha, that motherfucka is headed for the Canadian border right now"
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Turiaff, Odom, Sasha and them sitting in the locker room like 'the fuck you wan me to say? he gone' with mics in their faces.

  

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401. "i'm happy Celtics won"
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and i officially renounce my citizenship of Kobestan
that nigga dissapeared quicker than casper
He should have been taking notes on how jesus, the truth, and KG carries their team
nope Lebron better

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403. "Truth, at least KG won tho. You got something out of this finals"
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405. "yeah but he was the third best C in the series, he lost there too"
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Congrats to KG, unlike Peanut, I actually really do like that dude.

But him versus Timmy is as dead as Kobe vs. Jordan or A.I. vs. Marbury.

It's sort of amazing but ThaTruth managed to lose on both horses pitted against each other.

The big winner is you and of course Lou, wherever the fuck he's at, because Paul Pierce just made the Hall of Fame tonight. I'm sure Lou is probably busting shots in the air in the middle of Fanueil Hall.

  

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406. "LMFAO!!!"
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>I'm sure Lou is probably busting shots in the air in
>the middle of Fanueil Hall.

  

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408. "lol"
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I'm sure Lou is probably busting shots in the air in
>the middle of Fanueil Hall.

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"...in five years, you guys are going to forget. In ten years I'll still be a champion. In 20 years I'll tell my kids I probably started, and in 30 years I'll probably tell them I got the MVP." -Scalabrine on not playing in the finals

  

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428. "NOPE! Truth divested his portfolio of all KG stock"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=931026#931069

L^2

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thoughtprocesses white azz
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407. "Kobe stans aren't even showing up to defend him in this post yet"
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haha

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"...in five years, you guys are going to forget. In ten years I'll still be a champion. In 20 years I'll tell my kids I probably started, and in 30 years I'll probably tell them I got the MVP." -Scalabrine on not playing in the finals

  

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411. "L. Archive."
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Fuck the world, don't ask me for shit.

  

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Ryan M
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415. "More MVPs, more Finals wins on his own team."
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What bitch? What the fuck do you want me to say?

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17x NBA Champions

  

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418. "^^still copping bitch ass pleas^^.. go cry about the "opt out" game"
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the king b (24) is about to play...

  

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MothershipConnection
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416. "I was beginning to think Kobe was separating himself"
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At least at from his peers at 2 guard. As much as I didn't really like him, I gave him credit for being the most skilled player in his generation, and now his name could reasonably be discussed with Jordan (even if he never, ever was as good as MJ).

I was wrong.

Kobe may be the most skilled player of his generation, but he's also one of, if not the, biggest headcases. Yea, skills wise, he's ahead of Bron, Wade, everyone, but for someone who's cast as this will to win guy, how can he have so many cases where he just failed to show up? The series versus Detroit. The game against the Suns. Game 4 and 6 against the Celtics. It's not like he went down guns blazing and his teammates were so awful they couldn't keep up. I'm not saying he can play D for all his teammates, or force his teammates to make shots, but he still doesn't really get how and when to assert himself. I'm not sure he ever will. He's been in the league over 10 years now and he is what he is.

  

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417. "Kobe fans star in:"
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http://www.sofacinema.co.uk/guardian/images/products/2/8112-large.jpg


In true "technicolor"

See kobe miraculously disappear in the 2nd qtr.

See Gasol turn to a bag of feathers whenever he touches the paint.

See Phil's other hip collapse as he watches Jesus hit wide open 3s. "shut yo mouth!"
"he jus hit a wide open 3? in the FINALS??? naaaaawl that nigga didn't!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAGJ-3uzkms
"I say I say I say Kobe on the bench w/ the super-mad face I say I say"

Kobe: "Vujajiccic lemem get some dat free chicken box son!"

Lamar: "See the special man!"

Vujajjciccic: "sho you ain't right!"

  

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419. "HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! TWO WINS IN ONE!!!!!"
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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<- coaches my squad TO VICTORY

  

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422. "AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! WHERES YODA AT?!?!"
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423. "PAUL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kobe"
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426. "Rondo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe NOPE! He better!!!"
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424. "*kobe dribbles into post and forces an outside J.. looks frustrated*"
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*walks out and drinks beer, wine and 20 shots*



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427. "*pees on bed*"
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*doesn't put towel over stain*

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425. "Shit, I didn't even see this post upped, lol."
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
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My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

  

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