Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby Okay Sports Okay Sports Archives topic #51299

Subject: ""Tom Brady, the best quarterback most of us will ever see" -P. King" This topic is locked.
Previous topic | Next topic
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 04:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
""Tom Brady, the best quarterback most of us will ever see" -P. King"


          

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cnnsi-thenflsnewpower&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

plus I'm still trying to figure out how he associates Sean Payton with Bill Belichick...

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top


Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
Or how he makes no mention of the dungy coaching tree...
Jan 08th 2007
1
Well, he said the Parcells/Belicheck tree
Jan 08th 2007
5
Good Darrent Williams material though
Jan 08th 2007
2
This part here is priceless:
Jan 08th 2007
3
he must hate the 49ers or something
Jan 08th 2007
4
he said Don Hutson was better than Jerry Rice
Jan 08th 2007
6
he thinks Otto Graham is the GOAT
Jan 08th 2007
9
and Randell Cunningham.
Jan 08th 2007
13
      and Steve Young + Dan Marino + Warren Moon + John Elway
Jan 08th 2007
15
      and Steve Young + Dan Marino + Warren Moon + John Elway
Jan 08th 2007
16
           Dan Mario and Jim Kelly couldn't win the big games.
Jan 09th 2007
35
                AFC Championships are being devalued now?
Jan 09th 2007
54
                     true. The 80s had the greatest run of quality QBs
Jan 09th 2007
61
                     I don't know about that cause with the salary cap, more teams
Jan 09th 2007
67
                     I'm not saying that but Kelly and Marino never had the killer
Jan 09th 2007
66
                          Marino had a killer instinct
Jan 11th 2007
136
                               ^^^ agreed n/m
Jan 11th 2007
138
                               Not to throw ash on your new white shirt but...
Jan 11th 2007
139
                                    Not to grind mud on your new white couch but...
Jan 12th 2007
196
Montana has the edge, but let him win 1-2 more and he's right, no?
Jan 08th 2007
7
I just wish Brady got level playing ground as the greats
Jan 08th 2007
8
We need to replace our possession guys. Who needs a marquee guy?
Jan 08th 2007
10
I just want to see it for the "what if" factor
Jan 08th 2007
12
      they were talking about this on Outside the lines I think
Jan 08th 2007
23
Right.
Jan 08th 2007
11
will never happen
Jan 08th 2007
14
fuckouttahere, Brady is what he his, a glorified DLG-quarterback...
Jan 09th 2007
28
Hoge
Jan 09th 2007
37
what happens if you plug in another defense and coach?
Jan 09th 2007
38
why do you hate Brady so much?
Jan 09th 2007
55
I don't really, but Pats fans like Lach get on that " If only Brady had"...
Jan 09th 2007
56
      it's just a hypothetical game
Jan 09th 2007
58
      yes, a game that can be played both ways
Jan 09th 2007
59
      That was a hypothetical type situation
Jan 12th 2007
176
By the way, 5-13 with Bledsoe as Belichick's QB
Jan 09th 2007
70
no.
Jan 12th 2007
151
so does montana get DNLG status as well
Jan 09th 2007
39
anybody that actually SAW Montana play knows that's not true
Jan 09th 2007
42
      Merrill, is that you?
Jan 09th 2007
47
      anyone that actually SAW Jerry Rice play knows
Jan 09th 2007
63
      it's a salary cap/free agent era now
Jan 12th 2007
150
      hypocracy
Jan 09th 2007
68
Man stop hating on Brady cause he beat your Rams in 01.
Jan 09th 2007
71
      RE: Man stop hating on Brady cause he beat your Rams in 01.
Jan 09th 2007
75
      actually this post was more about how much of an idiot Peter King is but...
Jan 09th 2007
78
      Oh I'm not mad at all.
Jan 09th 2007
107
           If Brady was on the Rams winning titles
Jan 10th 2007
118
      actually ..Martz beat the RAMS
Jan 13th 2007
221
           don't give me this shit.
Jan 13th 2007
227
      These cats confuse me with their fandom
Jan 09th 2007
95
           Hell yeah like this cat at my job.
Jan 09th 2007
105
He's got the D & coaching to win titles tho
Jan 09th 2007
30
      He doesn't Marino or Manning weapons either
Jan 09th 2007
69
           so we can look at other factors
Jan 09th 2007
98
yes.
Jan 08th 2007
21
p. manning >>> t. brady
Jan 08th 2007
17
not even close
Jan 08th 2007
18
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jan 08th 2007
22
^ ^ has no authority on QBs ^ ^
Jan 09th 2007
27
      in time, coughlin fucked him up
Jan 09th 2007
32
           delusional.
Jan 09th 2007
33
           shoulda chilled with the "GOAT" talk then, huh?
Jan 09th 2007
43
           man you crazy as hell. Eli is a bust. His name keeps his
Jan 09th 2007
87
I pity the youngins who've never seen shit. n/m
Jan 08th 2007
19
he has worked with less talent than any other qb in history
Jan 08th 2007
20
      So the MVP of the Super Bowl XXXIX Was a Bum?
Jan 08th 2007
24
      Two words - Larry Brown
Jan 08th 2007
26
      Brady is top 2, no debate, BUT
Jan 09th 2007
31
           Man, Peyton was bad that whole game till the last 5 minutes
Jan 09th 2007
34
           and he can take a hit better than most QBs
Jan 09th 2007
41
           It CAN be blamed on the kicker b/c if they won, Peyton's
Jan 09th 2007
112
                nah, you can't blame that loss on V....
Jan 11th 2007
137
           RE: Brady is top 2, no debate, BUT
Jan 09th 2007
44
                They forget the Patriots have only had a running game 2 years
Jan 09th 2007
60
When it's all said and done...
Jan 08th 2007
25
IF BRADY WINS IT ALL THIS YEAR
Jan 09th 2007
29
Troy Aikman won 3 SB's too, Bradshaw won 4
Jan 09th 2007
36
      both played in non-cap eras with considerably more talented teams
Jan 09th 2007
40
      right, I forgot the "Brady won 3 SB's with a bunch of Arena leaguers"...
Jan 09th 2007
45
      is that what i said? I know you gotta stay on message but why
Jan 09th 2007
48
           nobody else on that team may make the HOF which depends...
Jan 09th 2007
49
                none of those guys are going to the HOF outside of maybe Adam V
Jan 09th 2007
50
                Aiking only had one, possibly 2 HOF teammates
Jan 09th 2007
51
                     huh? Emmitt is a lock, Irvin will probably get in (he's just hated
Jan 09th 2007
52
                     Larry Allen will probably get in, Irvin is on the bubble, Haley is not.....
Jan 11th 2007
134
                          RE: Larry Allen will probably get in, Irvin is on the bubble, Haley is n...
Jan 11th 2007
135
                          irvin on the bubble??..are you nuts?
Jan 12th 2007
149
                               Irvin already missed first ballot, genius, and Moose ain't getting in.
Jan 12th 2007
155
                               unless Mike ends up w/a dead hooker in his trunk, he's getting in
Jan 12th 2007
207
                               lol you said Clark and Utecht
Jan 12th 2007
158
                                    at TE??? them mugs can catch
Jan 12th 2007
191
                                         there not any more talented than Watson and Graham
Jan 12th 2007
215
                     Jay Novichik, Charles Haley, Darren Woodson, Ken Norton
Jan 09th 2007
72
                          Novacek and Norton ain't gettin in
Jan 09th 2007
76
                               Oh I know. I just spazzed out cause Truth act like Aikman aint
Jan 09th 2007
88
                11-1 dawg
Jan 09th 2007
53
                Adam is in, and Law and McGinest have a good shot
Jan 09th 2007
57
                     McGinest ain't gettin in, Law would need some more great years
Jan 09th 2007
91
      Non-cap era also = considerably more talented opponents
Jan 09th 2007
89
      actually, it meant more lopsided match-ups
Jan 09th 2007
111
           I disagree
Jan 11th 2007
141
                Those teams had a lot of depth then with pro bowlers
Jan 12th 2007
142
                     True that's why I think it was harder to win a championship
Jan 12th 2007
145
                          there wasn't 6-8 all-star teams. there was like 2-3 and the rest were
Jan 12th 2007
184
                               The quality of the football being played is in decline
Jan 12th 2007
209
      but you can't really compare the teams
Jan 12th 2007
152
           ^^^Even Will knows the deal
Jan 12th 2007
164
                I'm just saying it's not outright comparable
Jan 12th 2007
167
                     That's what I'm saying
Jan 12th 2007
186
      you think THOSE guys are better than brady?
Jan 09th 2007
46
           Brady took Truth's heart in 01....lol.
Jan 09th 2007
73
                lol
Jan 09th 2007
                     that's just the thing, we lost that game more due to people like Ty...
Jan 10th 2007
114
                          Man, you talking in circles like Senator Kerry
Jan 10th 2007
130
                               that's exactly what I've been saying, genius...
Jan 10th 2007
131
                                    AHA
Jan 10th 2007
132
Pats fan...
Jan 09th 2007
62
lol
Jan 09th 2007
64
      but you guys absolutely REFUSE to acknowlege the FACT that Brady...
Jan 09th 2007
74
      What does he have in his favor that other greats NEVER had??
Jan 09th 2007
79
      The only thing Brady has over them on his teams is Belichick
Jan 09th 2007
80
      in post #69 you're crying that Brady never had the weapons that Manning....
Jan 09th 2007
83
           What's interesting about Manning tho...
Jan 09th 2007
85
                and WTF does Brady have to do with all of that?
Jan 09th 2007
86
                     So what you're getting at is...
Jan 09th 2007
93
                          I think what a lot of NE fans don't like to acknowledge
Jan 09th 2007
110
                               ^^^REAL TALK! POST OVER!
Jan 10th 2007
113
                               LOL! Yall are funny. We all know defense wins championships
Jan 10th 2007
116
                               Dude that's every SB winner for the past 80 years.
Jan 13th 2007
232
      Like what?
Jan 09th 2007
90
      posts 37 and 55
Jan 09th 2007
103
      He also NEVER faced as stiff of competition as the early '90s NFC
Jan 09th 2007
92
           So to interpret what you're saying...
Jan 09th 2007
94
           Yes -- Montana beat numerous teams that would eat Brady for lunch
Jan 09th 2007
99
                LOL
Jan 09th 2007
101
                     Manning's a talented guy, but he's a choker -- what's the issue?
Jan 09th 2007
104
           The Eagles and Rams
Jan 09th 2007
96
           Greatest Show On Turf
Jan 09th 2007
97
           Oh yeah, I remember that famed Ram defense, how could I forget?
Jan 09th 2007
100
                The Rams D was just overshadowed by their O.
Jan 09th 2007
108
                Rams had the #1 offense of the last 25 years or something
Jan 10th 2007
120
                exactly, has Brady EVER thrown a game-winning TD pass?
Jan 10th 2007
122
                     That's partly coaching tho
Jan 10th 2007
125
                     That's understandable and a lot of that has to do with other things...
Jan 10th 2007
128
                     It's also partly performance -- and Bill Walsh wasn't playing to lose
Jan 10th 2007
129
                          double standards
Jan 10th 2007
133
                     he has, just not in the playoffs.
Jan 12th 2007
144
                          That's when it counts, genius. That why Joe Montana is the G.O.A.T....
Jan 12th 2007
156
                               So you have to throw a game-winning TD?
Jan 12th 2007
161
                               you need to relax dude, you asked a question and i answered it.
Jan 12th 2007
162
                                    umm...did you watch the playoffs last season?
Jan 12th 2007
163
                                         what about the playoffs last year?????
Jan 12th 2007
165
                                         Champ Bailey happened.
Jan 12th 2007
168
                                              That's what happens when you can't run the ball at all
Jan 12th 2007
169
                                                   ^^^PLEAS COPPED! The G.O.A.T. qb shouldn't need a running game...
Jan 12th 2007
170
                                                   You're unbelieveable
Jan 12th 2007
172
                                                        You're missing the point -- Montana lost to GOOD teams
Jan 12th 2007
174
                                                        He lost to teams on an even playing field
Jan 12th 2007
178
                                                        lol, you're really reaching now, other than the strike shortened season....
Jan 12th 2007
175
                                                             But he had one
Jan 12th 2007
177
                                                                  L
Jan 12th 2007
179
                                                                       You're being selective Theo
Jan 12th 2007
182
                                                                            Did Brady CHOKE in the postseason when he team needed a TD?
Jan 12th 2007
187
                                                                            Yes
Jan 12th 2007
192
                                                                            "3-peat" means consecutively, genius.
Jan 12th 2007
194
                                                                            You didn't understand what I was saying youngin
Jan 12th 2007
195
                                                                            you keep trying to change the subject, when Brady's team needs a TD...
Jan 12th 2007
197
                                                                            I admitted he didn't come thru
Jan 12th 2007
203
                                                   remember folks
Jan 12th 2007
171
                                                        When did I or anyone say the Pats O-line sucked?
Jan 12th 2007
181
                                                             actually it was ThaTruth that began the Maroney post
Jan 12th 2007
185
                                                                  I know. That's the irony of it all. If a cat is from his places
Jan 12th 2007
188
                                         lol
Jan 12th 2007
166
           RE: He also NEVER faced as stiff of competition as the early '90s NFC
Jan 13th 2007
233
and I'm STILL tryinig to figure out how Sean Payton is part of the...
Jan 09th 2007
65
it was very poorly worded
Jan 09th 2007
109
      no, he just fucked up
Jan 12th 2007
212
I can see that.
Jan 09th 2007
77
see this:
Jan 09th 2007
81
These cats act like we're trying to dis the rest of the Pats
Jan 09th 2007
82
fuck him
Jan 09th 2007
84
I guess only the Pats fans are doing selective reasoning
Jan 09th 2007
102
There's a difference between "good QB" and "clear #2"
Jan 09th 2007
106
      actually, the weather in Boston's been nice
Jan 10th 2007
115
           Just like "nice weather in Boston" is still pure ass by CA standards...
Jan 10th 2007
117
                I guess I can understand that
Jan 10th 2007
119
                So Brady's done nothing to be compared to Montana
Jan 10th 2007
121
                     lol
Jan 10th 2007
123
                     He's won two SBs*, which is equal to Elway, one more than Favre
Jan 10th 2007
127
                          lol, i didnt know there was an asterisk next to SB 36 now.
Jan 11th 2007
140
                               Like that shit didn't count, FOH.
Jan 12th 2007
148
I'd put Montana, Elway, and maybe Cunningham over him
Jan 10th 2007
124
Cunningham?
Jan 10th 2007
126
hahahhaa
Jan 12th 2007
143
As in RANDALL Cunningham?
Jan 24th 2007
271
With the way Brady's going..
Jan 12th 2007
146
This Is Crazy
Jan 12th 2007
147
You're not saying Brady ain't doing that to teams?
Jan 12th 2007
217
      people forget Elway's rep. before those two rings
Jan 12th 2007
218
           ..and personally I really think Brady
Jan 13th 2007
220
in Brady's 11 playoff victories
Jan 12th 2007
153
very important fact.
Jan 13th 2007
219
hmmmmmm
Jan 13th 2007
222
      points per game allowed by defense during playoffs:
Jan 13th 2007
223
           nope, you said during victories.
Jan 13th 2007
225
                points per game allowed by defense during playoffs:
Jan 13th 2007
226
                     i saw it before
Jan 13th 2007
228
                          the victories thing was just about turnovers forced
Jan 13th 2007
229
                               No, I'm not saying this at all.
Jan 13th 2007
230
                                    all I did was put up a stat
Jan 13th 2007
231
NOT CRAZY!!... read what I have to say ASAP
Jan 12th 2007
154
if you're down by a FG or less you want Brady, if you need a TD...
Jan 12th 2007
157
you're thinking of Jeff Garcia.. that man will get you in FG position
Jan 12th 2007
159
youre right tho.. if I need a TD.. give me Tim Rattay..
Jan 12th 2007
160
Remeber that time he fumbled the game away against OAK?
Jan 12th 2007
173
      ^^^REAL TALK
Jan 12th 2007
180
      Who you should be mad at is those weak ass Rams
Jan 13th 2007
234
      i think this is a misconception.
Jan 12th 2007
183
      Miss me with the BULLSHIT Pats party line
Jan 12th 2007
190
           just relax... and listen
Jan 12th 2007
193
           Did I say he was a bad QB?
Jan 12th 2007
198
                he's a Great QB on a Great team, similar to Montana again... and it
Jan 12th 2007
200
                WTH?! you might want to put at least 1 "no homo" in that son...
Jan 12th 2007
201
                     "no homo" is unnecessary if you are half a man
Jan 12th 2007
205
                you said he's just "good"; he's obviously more than just a "good" QB
Jan 12th 2007
202
                     gracias
Jan 12th 2007
206
           WRONG - that's *exactly* what the rule says:
Jan 12th 2007
199
           I can't believe you and I see eye to eye on something
Jan 12th 2007
204
           we probably see eye to eye on alot of things - you just like to argue
Jan 12th 2007
208
           the man does his research
Jan 12th 2007
210
                I can't believe they haven't changed that rule yet though
Jan 12th 2007
213
                     i know, it's dumb
Jan 12th 2007
214
                     I remember in 2002
Jan 13th 2007
224
           i already said they were lucky
Jan 12th 2007
211
      You must be a Raiders fan cause you hurt too?
Jan 13th 2007
235
RE: "Tom Brady, the best quarterback most of us will ever see...
Jan 12th 2007
189
I've seen at least three guys better
Jan 12th 2007
216
so like I was saying...
Jan 22nd 2007
236
every can have a bad game or lose a game
Jan 22nd 2007
237
see post# 122. n/m
Jan 22nd 2007
238
      Where is that reach .gif lol
Jan 22nd 2007
240
We may revisit this post in years to come
Jan 22nd 2007
241
All I know is the Montana never choked up like that when the game...
Jan 22nd 2007
243
      ^^^REAL TALK
Jan 22nd 2007
244
      montana never threw an INT during a come back attempt?
Jan 22nd 2007
245
      In the play-offs, when he needed to win the game? No, he was ice cold
Jan 22nd 2007
262
           the years they lost in the playoffs?
Jan 22nd 2007
263
      did JOE ever have a WR with eyes the size of jupiter dropping
Jan 22nd 2007
246
      bottom line, the Brady hype is built on his game-winning drives but...
Jan 22nd 2007
247
           foh
Jan 22nd 2007
264
      Don't bother with it man
Jan 22nd 2007
248
      lol, you know when Brady threw that pick you thought about this post
Jan 22nd 2007
250
           I knew you would resurrect it lol
Jan 22nd 2007
251
      Brady did choke, but I still think its partly the receivers fault
Jan 22nd 2007
249
           I think its Marlin Jackson's fault, how dare he pick off the G.O.A.T.
Jan 22nd 2007
252
                I can't complain
Jan 22nd 2007
253
In other news, things are looking up for Aaron Brooks
Jan 22nd 2007
239
*Starts "Aaron Brooks Vs. Tom Brady" poll*
Jan 22nd 2007
242
Did anybody see "the G.O.A.T." pulling a Dirk on Troy Brown after...
Jan 22nd 2007
254
lol, word.
Jan 22nd 2007
255
      I'm sure that was a receiver's fault too
Jan 22nd 2007
257
           no, it's the defense's fault.
Jan 22nd 2007
258
                hahaha, i love it, you are in your fucking GLORY right now
Jan 24th 2007
270
lol, Simmons barely even mentions Brady's choke, if he had led the...
Jan 22nd 2007
256
what is he? like 12-2 all-time in the playoffs?
Jan 22nd 2007
259
      last 2 seasons 1-2 and the 1 was a gift, when his team needed a TD...
Jan 22nd 2007
260
           he must be a CHOKER then
Jan 22nd 2007
261
           3-2 the last two years jerkoff.... stop the hate for once
Jan 24th 2007
267
                2-2-1
Jan 24th 2007
268
Damn the Pats win even when they lose...lol.
Jan 22nd 2007
265
whatever makes you feel better.
Jan 24th 2007
266
i steal avatars that other people stole from other boards:
Jan 24th 2007
269

gmltheone
Member since Jun 11th 2003
8564 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 04:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
1. "Or how he makes no mention of the dungy coaching tree..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

>plus I'm still trying to figure out how he associates Sean
>Payton with Bill Belichick...

The melanin must have blinded him.


----------------------------
"I don't want to die because I ate too many cheeseburgers" The Big Kid aka Shawn Andrews

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoulHonky
Member since Jan 21st 2003
25919 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 05:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
5. "Well, he said the Parcells/Belicheck tree"
In response to Reply # 1


          

So Payton fits in. But it was poorly written so it made it seem like Payton was somehow part of the Belicheck lineage. And honestly, he gave so few examples that the whole point was lost.

----
NBA MOCK DRAFT #1 - https://thecourierclass.com/whole-shebang/2017/5/18/2017-nba-mock-draft-1-just-lotto-and-lotta-trades

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

HecticHavoc
Member since May 13th 2005
7444 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 04:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
2. "Good Darrent Williams material though"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

"In the Denver Broncos' surprising 28-point, Week 8 rout of Philadelphia, left cornerback Darrent Williams, a brash, 23-year-old rookie, ran to the line of scrimmage as Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was barking signals. Just outside the right offensive tackle slot, against air, Williams bobbed toward the line, then jumped back a step. During his cadence, McNabb looked at him, wondering: Is he coming? Is he faking? "You've got to make it look like a decoy,'' Williams said last week. "You've got to act like you've done it before.'' At the snap, the Eagles thought it was a fake, thinking he'd retreat into coverage. Nope. The 5-8 coverman became a sacker, sprinting at McNabb -- who has seven inches and 30 pounds on Williams -- and leveling him with a rib-jarring hit."

I went on to write that Williams shut out Terrell Owens in 15 man-coverage snaps that day.

"I learned never to back down growing up,'' Williams said. "When you're a corner my size, it's something you need to remember all the time.''

The other day, Denver coach Mike Shanahan told me he thought Williams, 24, was going to a Pro Bowl someday. "We were playing Oakland last year,'' Shanahan said, and he reads a pass play in the flat, and he breaks on it and picks it off and goes 80 yards for a touchdown. Broke open the game. I'd like people to know what a good player he was, and a good person.''

What a sin. An unarmed guy not meaning anyone any harm, out on New Year's Eve, in a limo with friends, not driving because it's not smart to drink and drive. Dead, for no reason.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 04:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
3. "This part here is priceless:"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

9. Dallas (9-8). John Madden sort of made this same point on the telecast. But did you see the ball that was snapped to Tony Romo on the botched field-goal hold? Looked very shiny, perhaps slippery. It was one of the "K'' balls. Each game, 12 balls used only for special teams plays are kept on the sidelines, and when there's a punt or a kickoff or a placekick, one of those 12 balls is put into play. The ball came back to Romo on a good snap, and as he transferred the ball in his hands to put it down for the kick, it slipped from his grip. Wish I had a chance to ask him about it after the game. The way it slipped made the ball look like some of the waxy sheen was still on it from having just come out of the box.

10. Seattle (10-7). Good gut-it-out win over Dallas, but a weird one. I still don't know what to think of the Seahawks. They haven't overcome the loss of Steve Hutchinson in free-agency because they still struggle to run with any consistency. Matt Hasselbeck looks like he's running for his life half the time. You're going to ask why I have Dallas ahead of Seattle in these rankings, of course, after Seattle beat Dallas in a playoff game. Simple. I think Dallas is better.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Dr Claw
Member since Jun 25th 2003
131158 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 05:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
4. "he must hate the 49ers or something"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

The Doc was alive for Montana.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 05:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
6. "he said Don Hutson was better than Jerry Rice"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

so you're right, he might hate the Niners, but I think he hates sanity more.


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
likwit_crew
Charter member
5986 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
9. "he thinks Otto Graham is the GOAT"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

sounding like those crazy Giants fans that claim 50 Football titles.

_____________________________________________

Long Beach is the spot where I serve my caine - Snoop

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
13. "and Randell Cunningham."
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

I like Steve McNair too.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
15. "and Steve Young + Dan Marino + Warren Moon + John Elway"
In response to Reply # 13


  

          

shit, maybe Jim Kelly, too.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
16. "and Steve Young + Dan Marino + Warren Moon + John Elway"
In response to Reply # 13


  

          

shit, maybe Jim Kelly, too.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
35. "Dan Mario and Jim Kelly couldn't win the big games."
In response to Reply # 16


  

          

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
gmltheone
Member since Jun 11th 2003
8564 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
54. "AFC Championships are being devalued now?"
In response to Reply # 35


  

          


----------------------------
"I don't want to die because I ate too many cheeseburgers" The Big Kid aka Shawn Andrews

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Dr Claw
Member since Jun 25th 2003
131158 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 03:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
61. "true. The 80s had the greatest run of quality QBs"
In response to Reply # 54


  

          

Montana, Marino, Moon, Elway, Kelly, Cunningham, Kosar and 'em.

Right now, The Doc sees three definite quality QBs (Brady, Manning, McNabb) and a few on the cusp (Vick -- he's been robbed of proving it, ITDO, Bulger, Palmer, Leftwich)...

but no era will compare to all those whoopass QBs in the NFL.

Marino did so much in an era when the rules aren't nearly as pussy as they are.

Improbables kept him, Jim Kelly, and the like from winning it. In the parity age, those QBs would have rings.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
67. "I don't know about that cause with the salary cap, more teams"
In response to Reply # 61


  

          

are on a even level now. In the 80s and 90s you had powerhouses like the 49ers and Cowboys cause there was no salary cap and Jerry Jones could get any player he wanted bascially. Now it's not like that so yeah Marino and Kelly would be good but I think it would be just as hard if not harder to win. Put Kelly in his prime on the Bills and Marino in his prime on the Dolphins of today.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
66. "I'm not saying that but Kelly and Marino never had the killer"
In response to Reply # 54


  

          

instinct like Montana. Now Marino may be the best qb from 20 to20.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 07:06 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
136. "Marino had a killer instinct"
In response to Reply # 66


  

          

he just didn't have a running game behind him.


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Virgenes Corazon
Member since Jan 03rd 2007
2985 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 08:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
138. "^^^ agreed n/m"
In response to Reply # 136


  

          

Avatar: Chikara Pro Wrestling. Born From Oblivion.

New Technology Vs. Horse album, "Sorry That I Knocked You Up" http://technologyvshorse.bandcamp.com/album/sorry-that-i-knocked-you-up

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 08:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
139. "Not to throw ash on your new white shirt but..."
In response to Reply # 136


  

          

The Patriots only had a great running game in 1 of their 3 title runs.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:41 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
196. "Not to grind mud on your new white couch but..."
In response to Reply # 139
Fri Jan-12-07 01:43 PM by 40thStreetBlack

  

          

the comparison I was responding to was to Montana, not Brady.

and the Patriots have still had a better running game than Marino's Dolphins anyway.

So FUCK YO COUCH, NIGGA!!!


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

nonseq
Charter member
4028 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
7. "Montana has the edge, but let him win 1-2 more and he's right, no?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

n/m

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
8. "I just wish Brady got level playing ground as the greats"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

I mean, can we please get a marquee receiver in New England? Imagine a Steve Smith or Chad Johnson catching passes from Brady. I still am hoping one day Belichick and them and bring Randy Moss to New England.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SoulHonky
Member since Jan 21st 2003
25919 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
10. "We need to replace our possession guys. Who needs a marquee guy?"
In response to Reply # 8


          

While it would be nice, I'm fine with not paying for a big money receiver. I'd rather spend money on defense, RB, and the O-Line.

If we can get a couple of possession receivers in here and have them stick around and get comfortable with Brady, I'm more than happy.

----
NBA MOCK DRAFT #1 - https://thecourierclass.com/whole-shebang/2017/5/18/2017-nba-mock-draft-1-just-lotto-and-lotta-trades

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
12. "I just want to see it for the "what if" factor"
In response to Reply # 10


  

          

Like we have to watch Manning throwing bombs to Harrison all the time. I'd just like to see how it would play out if Brady had a guy like a Steve Smith that he could throw to like Montana had Rice.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 08:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
23. "they were talking about this on Outside the lines I think"
In response to Reply # 12


          

yeah Montana has a longer body of work, but Brady already has the best playoff record out of any QB with 5 or mor starts and is only one SB behind Montana. Add on to that the fact he has numbers not far behind Montana with nowhere near the receiving talent. OTL was saying imagine him with Rice and everyone else Montana had, jesus.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
11. "Right."
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
all stah
Member since Sep 03rd 2005
23470 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
14. "will never happen"
In response to Reply # 8


          

system>>>>product


As long as you have a great system, you can put anyt type of product in that system and it will be a winner...except at QB( you cant replace a queen ..no way no how), everything else are pawns.


I have a felling that that they are going to win another superbowl....they beat a tought as team with ease the other day.



  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 11:29 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
28. "fuckouttahere, Brady is what he his, a glorified DLG-quarterback..."
In response to Reply # 8


          

I bet a lot of other quarterbacks would love to play with the defenses and coach he's had

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
37. "Hoge"
In response to Reply # 28


          

I realize his D and cocaching have been great, but plug another QB, even Peyton, in there and those three championships are gone.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
38. "what happens if you plug in another defense and coach?"
In response to Reply # 37


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
55. "why do you hate Brady so much?"
In response to Reply # 38


          

yeah the D and coaching were CRUCIAL parts of the team, i'm pretty sure i just mentioned that. But so was Brady and you still can't seem to acknowledge that.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
56. "I don't really, but Pats fans like Lach get on that " If only Brady had"..."
In response to Reply # 55


          

"WR's like Peyton, blah, blah, blah" like I lot of QB's wouldn't love to have the defense and coach that Brady has had

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
58. "it's just a hypothetical game"
In response to Reply # 56


          

>"WR's like Peyton, blah, blah, blah" like I lot of QB's
>wouldn't love to have the defense and coach that Brady has
>had

there's no harm or whining meant in it.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:55 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
59. "yes, a game that can be played both ways"
In response to Reply # 58


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
176. "That was a hypothetical type situation"
In response to Reply # 56


  

          

And its true that he doesn't have the WRs that other QBs have which he's compared to. That's THA TRUTH. We're not talking about defenses or team success with that statement because he's won without the top WRs. It was just a thought on what he could do with great WRs in addition to what he already has. What's so bad about that? Because when you compare him to past great QBs like Montana, they had a lot of weapons on offense in addition to their great defenses. But what you seem to ignore are the great defenses that EVERY great or good QB who has won a superbowl has had.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
70. "By the way, 5-13 with Bledsoe as Belichick's QB"
In response to Reply # 38


  

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 06:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
151. "no."
In response to Reply # 37


          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Oakley
Charter member
7810 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
39. "so does montana get DNLG status as well"
In response to Reply # 28


  

          

since he played in a great system for a great coach and had a great defense?

___________________________________
"WASP of the year: even if he isn�t a WASP, Oakley. Sailing? Check. In a yacht club? Check. Used the term �summer� as a verb instead of a noun? You betcha!" -thejerseytornado

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
42. "anybody that actually SAW Montana play knows that's not true"
In response to Reply # 39


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Oakley
Charter member
7810 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
47. "Merrill, is that you?"
In response to Reply # 42


  

          

___________________________________
"WASP of the year: even if he isn�t a WASP, Oakley. Sailing? Check. In a yacht club? Check. Used the term �summer� as a verb instead of a noun? You betcha!" -thejerseytornado

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
nonseq
Charter member
4028 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 04:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
63. "anyone that actually SAW Jerry Rice play knows"
In response to Reply # 42


          

Brady has never had a target of that caliber to throw to. Jerry Rice had 3 QB's (maybe 4) post-Montana in the Pro Bowl and we ALL know Garcia and Gannon needed Rice more than he needed them.

Montana played with more HOF talent on offense than Brady. Same goes for most GOAT QB candidates, especially GOAT SB QB candidates.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 06:39 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
150. "it's a salary cap/free agent era now"
In response to Reply # 63


          

nobody is playing with as many weapons or as good defenses as those guys were

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
68. "hypocracy"
In response to Reply # 42


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
71. "Man stop hating on Brady cause he beat your Rams in 01."
In response to Reply # 28


  

          

It's been like what years now? Get over it but what I wanted to say is if that's the case why the colts aren't winning? Tony Dungy is a good ass coach shit Gruden won a superbowl with his team but yet it's been 5 years and Manning still can't get over the hump. Why didn't Bledsoe win with Parcells was coaching the Pats? I could go on and on.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
daskap
Member since Oct 17th 2003
6948 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
75. "RE: Man stop hating on Brady cause he beat your Rams in 01."
In response to Reply # 71


          

and he knows thats the only reason he in here crying. nigga can stay mad for the rest of his life, the outcome of that game ain't changing.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
78. "actually this post was more about how much of an idiot Peter King is but..."
In response to Reply # 75


          

should have known you Brady-stans would get your panties in a bunch.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
107. "Oh I'm not mad at all."
In response to Reply # 78
Tue Jan-09-07 10:30 PM by Frank Castle

  

          

I have one of the best QBs today on my team and we're are making our 5 superbowl run in 6 years. Why would I get mad? But you, you have a right to be mad cause the Rams went from the greatest turf on earth and from being the next dynasty to getting beat in the SB by a future great qb and hall of famer to ? Who would ever thought that #12 would be ranked amongst the greats.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 11:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
118. "If Brady was on the Rams winning titles"
In response to Reply # 107


  

          

this argument wouldn't even be going on.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
all stah
Member since Sep 03rd 2005
23470 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 12:58 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
221. "actually ..Martz beat the RAMS"
In response to Reply # 75


          

DUMB ASS PLAY CALLING ...He should have just given the ball to faulk all game long...wasting time outs? ....he was the worst at that.


I like the pats, but the rams gave them that superbowl.


Martz sure did fuck up a dynasty...Great OC, but he SUCKS As a coach...They should have never run Dick Vermiel out.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
227. "don't give me this shit."
In response to Reply # 221


          

>DUMB ASS PLAY CALLING ...He should have just given the ball
>to faulk all game long...wasting time outs? ....he was the
>worst at that.

1. this might be true, however you're not giving Bill enough credit. all week everyone was talking about how the pats were gonna blitz the hell out of warner, which is what they had done the last time they faced them. what happened come sunday? barely blitzed him at all. we kept on the receivers, he had nowhere to throw and then we'd eventually get pressure on him and he'd make mistakes.

2. you're acting like the Rams ever had the game in their hands. It was a poor 4th quarter with penalties and mistakes for the Pats that let the Rams back into the game. It was looking like it was gonna be a blowout in the Pats favor for quite a while.


>
>
>Martz sure did fuck up a dynasty...Great OC, but he SUCKS As a
>coach...They should have never run Dick Vermiel out.

now that's all truth.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
95. "These cats confuse me with their fandom"
In response to Reply # 71


  

          

You know me and you from up northeast where cats there stick with their home towns. I don't know who roots for what on OKP.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
105. "Hell yeah like this cat at my job."
In response to Reply # 95


  

          

He's florida gators fan, a dallas cowboy fan and a lakers fan. I'm like dude don't you ever get tired of jumping on bandwagons? I said that after he said he was a Bulls fan back in the day.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
37956 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:21 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
30. "He's got the D & coaching to win titles tho"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

So, maybe he doesn't stack Marino & Manning type numbers but he's can always compete for a title when the D is top notch.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And that's the reason we livin where they don't visit..
where the dope slangin keep swangin like Sonny Liston.." Black Thought

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
69. "He doesn't Marino or Manning weapons either"
In response to Reply # 30


  

          

Only 2 years has Brady had a good running game around him and he's never had a true elite receiver.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
37956 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
98. "so we can look at other factors"
In response to Reply # 69


  

          

like his post season performances rather than just raw stats.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And that's the reason we livin where they don't visit..
where the dope slangin keep swangin like Sonny Liston.." Black Thought

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 08:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
21. "yes."
In response to Reply # 7


          

and anybody saying he's not top 2 at that point is just hating.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

NYC upt JUX
Member since Dec 19th 2004
10130 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
17. "p. manning >>> t. brady"
In response to Reply # 0
Mon Jan-08-07 06:54 PM by NYC upt JUX

  

          

when the chargers put the smackdown on them hoe ass patriots, we'll all be hearing a different tune from fags like peter king.

www.hiphopmusic.com

"What I don't like is Negro elders finally taking a stand for cultural ethics by way of Caucasian vomit. What this now shows young people is that white guilt is still more powerful than black unity." - Star

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
all stah
Member since Sep 03rd 2005
23470 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 06:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
18. "not even close"
In response to Reply # 17


          

Peyton has to many weapons, gets nevrous in the pocket( happy feet)when the pressure is on, and he cant win big games. He has not won at all win everything is on the line.


Brady?


Composure...works with third string players every year....never gets rattled....doesnt get injured....accuracy is just insane....and can win under any circumstance

its not even close

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 08:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
22. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
In response to Reply # 17


          

you bought in when he won his one playoff game of the year didn't you?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
27. "^ ^ has no authority on QBs ^ ^"
In response to Reply # 17


  

          

How's the "Eli is GOAT" going for you? Is that working out?

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
NYC upt JUX
Member since Dec 19th 2004
10130 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
32. "in time, coughlin fucked him up"
In response to Reply # 27


  

          

www.hiphopmusic.com

"What I don't like is Negro elders finally taking a stand for cultural ethics by way of Caucasian vomit. What this now shows young people is that white guilt is still more powerful than black unity." - Star

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Drizzit
Member since Sep 19th 2002
6467 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
33. "delusional."
In response to Reply # 32


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
43. "shoulda chilled with the "GOAT" talk then, huh?"
In response to Reply # 32


  

          

n/m

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
87. "man you crazy as hell. Eli is a bust. His name keeps his"
In response to Reply # 32


  

          

job as starting QB for the Giants.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ne_atl
Charter member
18824 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 07:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
19. "I pity the youngins who've never seen shit. n/m"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

___________________________________
http://instagram.com/mrellsberry
http://instagram.com/mrellsberry_photos

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
all stah
Member since Sep 03rd 2005
23470 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 07:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
20. "he has worked with less talent than any other qb in history"
In response to Reply # 19


          

and dont marino....that nigga had duper and clayton...and he choked in the superbowl

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
RexLongfellow
Charter member
18296 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 09:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
24. "So the MVP of the Super Bowl XXXIX Was a Bum?"
In response to Reply # 20


  

          

I guess so

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 10:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
26. "Two words - Larry Brown"
In response to Reply # 24
Mon Jan-08-07 10:14 PM by Lach

  

          

and I aint talking bout the basketball coach.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Challenger
Member since Dec 21st 2004
4193 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
31. "Brady is top 2, no debate, BUT"
In response to Reply # 20


  

          

though I agree he's had less talent, it is only at the receiver position. His O-LINE has been incredible. He is hardly ever sacked. That said, the same goes for Peyton's O-Line, difference is, Brady poise is what sets him apart and that can't be taught. Peyton is more talented overall but Brady has the intangible that makes him better, personally.

And, lets not forget the Patriots team having the best kicker of a generation in V, and a hell of a defense. If Peyton's 'idiot' kicker had just made the fg against the Steelers, or Vini had missed in the snow against the Raiders (tuck rule) & Panthers in the Super Bowl, we'd all be singing a different song.

Point being, all the QB can do is put you in position to win and sometimes the difference is as simple as a 'kicker.'

Carry on.

Challenger-

************************************************************************************
M. Ali - the Greatest - https://youtube.com/watch?v=jkhpZoPOfZI

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
34. "Man, Peyton was bad that whole game till the last 5 minutes"
In response to Reply # 31


  

          

It can't be blamed on the kicker. And while the O-line performs solid for the Patriots, another unrecognized thing is that Brady doesn't waste time getting rid of the ball. (BTW, can a Pats O-lineman get a Probowl call please league?) Most QBs you see do have ample time, but they fuck it up. They need 10 seconds it seems to get a good pass off. It's not like Brady isn't hitting the dirt in games because he is. He just gets right back up, takes another snap, then 1-2-3 and fires to a receiver. I think he's more efficient with his time in the pocket than most QBs which is an underrated characteristic.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
41. "and he can take a hit better than most QBs"
In response to Reply # 34


          

he will always step into his throws no matter who's coming after him. and he gets wrecked sometimes, but hey, the pass was completed.

they showed eli the other day and how he runs away from every hit which causes him to be unbalanced on his throws and throw INTs

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Challenger
Member since Dec 21st 2004
4193 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 11:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
112. "It CAN be blamed on the kicker b/c if they won, Peyton's"
In response to Reply # 34


  

          

bad play would not be remembered. Much like Roethlisberger is celebrated as a SuperBowl winner even though he had the worse QB game of ANY in history.

If the Patriots kicker missed against Oakland OR the Panthers, Brady would have a different legacy. Period.

That said, I agree that he gets rid of the ball fast and takes a good hit when it comes. As much attention as they get, I still feel both are UNDERappreciated. Brady b/c all he does is win & Peyton b/c his incredible stats are expected.

Challenger-

************************************************************************************
M. Ali - the Greatest - https://youtube.com/watch?v=jkhpZoPOfZI

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15829 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 07:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
137. "nah, you can't blame that loss on V...."
In response to Reply # 112


          

cuz, he missed on ONE play, while peyton fucked up on SEVERAL plays to get them in the position.

Seriously, his play-calling and general hoe-osity has fucked the colts in the playoffs for several years in a row, now.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Oakley
Charter member
7810 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
44. "RE: Brady is top 2, no debate, BUT"
In response to Reply # 31


  

          

>though I agree he's had less talent, it is only at the
>receiver position.

Antowaine Smith

___________________________________
"WASP of the year: even if he isn�t a WASP, Oakley. Sailing? Check. In a yacht club? Check. Used the term �summer� as a verb instead of a noun? You betcha!" -thejerseytornado

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 03:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
60. "They forget the Patriots have only had a running game 2 years"
In response to Reply # 44


  

          

They won 2 superbowls without a potent running game. Smith was hilarious.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

emeyesi
Charter member
10914 posts
Mon Jan-08-07 10:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
25. "When it's all said and done..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

...

.imageyenation.dot.com.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

JAESCOTT777
Member since Feb 18th 2006
28484 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 11:57 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
29. "IF BRADY WINS IT ALL THIS YEAR"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Jan-09-07 12:19 PM by JAESCOTT777

  

          

HE IS IN THE TOP 3 & IS ALREADY IN THE HOF. because only 2 stats matters bitches:

11-1 in the playoffs (best ever win %)
3 super bowls

montana- 16-6 in playoffs
4 super bowls

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
36. "Troy Aikman won 3 SB's too, Bradshaw won 4"
In response to Reply # 29


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
40. "both played in non-cap eras with considerably more talented teams"
In response to Reply # 36


  

          

I don't think these Pats have another potential Hall of Fame player (outside of if you want to include their kicker or their coach).

But it is too early to start talking about Brady as the best, let's just see how the rest of the prime of his career plays out. I can see he's the best of this current era (from 2000 on, without question).

For the moment, Joe Montana is unquestionably the best quarterback of my lifetime. And people talk about his supporting cast forgetting that Joe won his first Super Bowl without just about any of the guys normally cited outside of a rookie Ronnie Lott. That Niner team was a basement-dwelling squad before Montana and Walsh came in and gave them an identity.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
45. "right, I forgot the "Brady won 3 SB's with a bunch of Arena leaguers"..."
In response to Reply # 40


          

argument

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 01:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
48. "is that what i said? I know you gotta stay on message but why"
In response to Reply # 45


  

          

don't you tell me what I actually said in my previous post that was not true. Thanks in advance.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 01:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
49. "nobody else on that team may make the HOF which depends..."
In response to Reply # 48


          

on things like longevity and and a number of other factors but lets not act like the Patriots have been little sisters of the poor during this run:

Law, Milloy, Bruschi, McGinest, Seymour, Harrison, Dillion, Vinetieri

I don't about HOF but those guys have a lot of pro bowls between them

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 01:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
50. "none of those guys are going to the HOF outside of maybe Adam V"
In response to Reply # 49


  

          

and I'm not gonna act like the Pats haven't had a great team around him during the run, obviously they would have to in order to do what they've done.

But the talent level on those Cowboys and Steeler teams was undoubtedly better and that era was more conducive to being able to keep the core together and in the case of the Cowboys improve each year through free agency.

Then again, I think that those Pitt 70s teams or the early 90s Cowboy teams would smash any year of the Pats during this run so it becomes hard to compare.

I'll just say that Brady has been the best QB of this era and we'll try to figure out the rest of it after he's finished.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 01:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
51. "Aiking only had one, possibly 2 HOF teammates"
In response to Reply # 50


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 01:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
52. "huh? Emmitt is a lock, Irvin will probably get in (he's just hated"
In response to Reply # 51


  

          

so it might take a minute), Larry Allen will get in, Deion will get in, and Charles Haley has an outside shot.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 11:05 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
134. "Larry Allen will probably get in, Irvin is on the bubble, Haley is not....."
In response to Reply # 52


          

getting in. Deion was only there for the last SB they won

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 06:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
135. "RE: Larry Allen will probably get in, Irvin is on the bubble, Haley is n..."
In response to Reply # 134


  

          

>getting in. Deion was only there for the last SB they won
>
Emmitt and Larry are locks. Irvin will get in, they're just hating on him at the moment plus he had that drug incident last year right around the announcement of candidates. That's three players on his side of the ball.

I know Deion was only there for one, does that not count?

Haley probably won't get in, which I don't really get.....dude was one of the dominating lineman of his era and has five rings.

I also forgot to mention Darren Woodson, who has a legitimate shot.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
all stah
Member since Sep 03rd 2005
23470 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 06:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
149. "irvin on the bubble??..are you nuts?"
In response to Reply # 134


          

he stats are insane, and his career ended early because of injury..

They are shoe-ins:

Aikman
Moose ( as a fullback ...blocking? ...the best)
Emmitt
Deion
Larry Allen
Irvin


Shoe-ins I tell you ...in on the first ballot


The pats? ...none of the wr's are in, nor are the TE's in, maybe dillion

Pats have been talented on D , not offense. ..Brady has worked with 2nd and third stringers ...and he is still ill...I mean his passes are so mutherfucking accurate...He's the best ...All other qbs had great talent and consistent talent( most of them staid together)

Bradshaw - stallworth, Swan, Harris

Fouts- Chandlier, Winslow, Muncey ( I know I fucked up the spelling)

Marino- Duper, Calyton

Montana- Jerry Rice ...that's all I have to say

Aikman - Irvin, Emmitt, Moose, Novicane( mutherfucker OD on that shit)and Hill

Peyton - This niggas is overrated ....he has had the most talent ever ...harrison,clarke,james, addai,wayne, stokely, utrecht....just insane


  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 10:10 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
155. "Irvin already missed first ballot, genius, and Moose ain't getting in."
In response to Reply # 149


          

>he stats are insane, and his career ended early because of
>injury..
>
>They are shoe-ins:
>
>Aikman
>Moose ( as a fullback ...blocking? ...the best)
>Emmitt
>Deion
>Larry Allen
>Irvin
>
>
>Shoe-ins I tell you ...in on the first ballot
>

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 03:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
207. "unless Mike ends up w/a dead hooker in his trunk, he's getting in"
In response to Reply # 155


  

          

... although I wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility of the dead hooker scenario.

regardless, you KNOW Irvin was a HOF caliber WR.


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                            
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 10:16 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
158. "lol you said Clark and Utecht"
In response to Reply # 149


          

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                
all stah
Member since Sep 03rd 2005
23470 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
191. "at TE??? them mugs can catch"
In response to Reply # 158


          

my bad on irvin ...I forgot about that ...but had it no been for the drug shit..he would be in

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                    
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 05:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
215. "there not any more talented than Watson and Graham"
In response to Reply # 191


          

Stokley has hardly played in two years and Maroney vs. Addai is a wash

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
72. "Jay Novichik, Charles Haley, Darren Woodson, Ken Norton"
In response to Reply # 51


  

          

Deion Sanders, Charles Haley? Are you kidding me?

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
76. "Novacek and Norton ain't gettin in"
In response to Reply # 72


  

          

but his original point about one maybe two HOF guys was incorrect so I guess that's why he's not going back to it.

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
88. "Oh I know. I just spazzed out cause Truth act like Aikman aint"
In response to Reply # 76


  

          

had mad good talent around him.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
JAESCOTT777
Member since Feb 18th 2006
28484 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
53. "11-1 dawg"
In response to Reply # 49


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 02:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
57. "Adam is in, and Law and McGinest have a good shot"
In response to Reply # 49


          

and outside of that he's never had a legit offense the way the guys you mentioned did.

anyways, we're talking about offensive players in the HOF surrounding these QBs. You brought up Bradshaw, well besides possibly the greatest D ever he had Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, and an HOF center with Mike Webster. Aikman had Emmitt, who will be in, and Irvin who's probably going to get in eventually too (and we all know should already be there).

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Bombastic
Charter member
88861 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
91. "McGinest ain't gettin in, Law would need some more great years"
In response to Reply # 57


  

          

>and outside of that he's never had a legit offense the way
>the guys you mentioned did.
>
>anyways, we're talking about offensive players in the HOF
>surrounding these QBs. You brought up Bradshaw, well besides
>possibly the greatest D ever he had Franco Harris, Lynn Swann,
>and an HOF center with Mike Webster. Aikman had Emmitt, who
>will be in, and Irvin who's probably going to get in
>eventually too (and we all know should already be there).
>

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a803?trk=hp-identity-name

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
89. "Non-cap era also = considerably more talented opponents"
In response to Reply # 40


  

          

Why does this only work one way? The NFC teams of the late '80s, early '90s would EMBARRASS any of those Patriot SB squads, who NEVER won games in convincing fashion.

Tom Brady is a talented QB, but y'all have to be high as shit to SERIOUSLY think his name is worth mentioning ANYWHERE near the #2 spot.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Jon
Charter member
18687 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
111. "actually, it meant more lopsided match-ups"
In response to Reply # 89
Tue Jan-09-07 10:59 PM by Jon

          

it meant certain teams could hog all the talent

it meant you could have like 2-4 mini all-pro teams facing off against a bunch of baron wastelands and only have to play tough games in the NFC championship games lol

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
BISON CLASS of 97
Member since Oct 19th 2004
7295 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 11:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
141. "I disagree"
In response to Reply # 111


  

          

The top of the league was much much stronger back then The 49ers Bills Cowboys Steelers Oilers Broncos Dolphins Packers made the playoffs year after year because they had depth. Teams today don't have depth thats why teams will win 12 games 1 year and 7 the next.

"I'm one of the world's great survivors. I'll always survive because I've got the right combination of wit, grit and bullshit."

© Don King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:22 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
142. "Those teams had a lot of depth then with pro bowlers"
In response to Reply # 141


  

          

because they could shell out a lot more dough than other teams like we see in baseball right now. Nowadays, teams couldn't make it work to have so many good guys on one squad because of the cap.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
BISON CLASS of 97
Member since Oct 19th 2004
7295 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:02 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
145. "True that's why I think it was harder to win a championship"
In response to Reply # 142


  

          

back then. You would have 6-8 really really good teams in the playoffs now you have 6-8 slightly above average teams in the playoffs

"I'm one of the world's great survivors. I'll always survive because I've got the right combination of wit, grit and bullshit."

© Don King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Jon
Charter member
18687 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
184. "there wasn't 6-8 all-star teams. there was like 2-3 and the rest were"
In response to Reply # 145


          

very streaky

miami and steelers usually had half-way decent teams, but barely ever made any kind of real splash. steelers made the superbowl once, but that was by far their best season of the 90's.

Cowboys and 49ers easily hogged most of the talent.

the Bills dominated the AFC for a few years.

the fins were usually somewhere in the wildcard mix, mostly because of marino.

the lions were usually making a playoff run, only to get creamed in the first round.

then you had teams like the giants, eagles, packers, chiefs, and some others who would usually be someone's division-round whipping boy.

but all these teams were mostly filled with a few guys you knew and the rest: no-names.

the cowboys and 49ers truly hogged all the stardom.

nostalgia aside, i can easily say this is a much more competetive and exciting era in the NFL.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
BISON CLASS of 97
Member since Oct 19th 2004
7295 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 03:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
209. "The quality of the football being played is in decline"
In response to Reply # 184


  

          

Just because every team has a chance to win it means nothing to me. I want to see good football and on most Sundays its hard to find 2 good football teams playing each other.

Competitive and good are very different. I didn't get hyped watching the Cowboys and The Seahawks play bad football or seeing the sorry ass Jets and Giants in the playoffs


I never said they were allstar teams all I said is that the teams had more depth. This cannot be disputed the number of teams and the salary cap has spread the talent thin for the most part

If you think the quality of football being played now is as good or better than the football that was played 10 years ago you are insane.

"I'm one of the world's great survivors. I'll always survive because I've got the right combination of wit, grit and bullshit."

© Don King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 06:54 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
152. "but you can't really compare the teams"
In response to Reply # 40


          

b/c each are from different eras

playing in before the cap/FA is not a distinct advantage - sure the Patriots are less talented than those teams, but so are all the other teams they play

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:15 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
164. "^^^Even Will knows the deal"
In response to Reply # 152


  

          

The cats on these boards will say its all about the Pats D and nothing else and then act like past dynasties like the Niners didn't rank in the top 10 or 5 in defense every year they won the title. They being hypocrits man.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:27 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
167. "I'm just saying it's not outright comparable"
In response to Reply # 164


          

back then you could keep all your studs on offense while still having a great defense

but...you played some really strong teams in the playoffs who were also stacked on both sides of the ball

nowadays nobody has that kind of true balance on offense and defense, with free agency leading to a huge change of personnel every year

but...you play some really mediocre teams in the playoffs because everybody has a weakness due to the cap

so it's about even

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
186. "That's what I'm saying"
In response to Reply # 167


  

          

But cats are acting like the Patriots are playing on a different field from other teams. It's like bullshit. It's part greatness of the core players we have, part greatness of the coaching staff and draft selections, and smart free agent pick ups. Like anyone in the league wanted Junior Seau's retiring ass. Nah mean? We made it work. No one wants old Troy Brown now. We made it work. Just like your boys are making things work too. Yall lose 2 top 10 running backs in Manning's days there (Faulk and James) and yall consistently win 12 to 14 games a year. But they ignore all those things on these boards. It's a trip. They'll say LT is the GOAT (even tho he plays in the same "watered-down league" as everyone else). But then will use the "watered-down league" example to shoot down guys like Brady and Manning's achievements. Its like ok... Only on OKP man.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 12:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
46. "you think THOSE guys are better than brady?"
In response to Reply # 36


          

honestly? cuz i can see the case for montana, but aikman had talent all over the place on offense and if you were knocking brady for having a great D then how aren't you doing the same bradshaw?


and again, the salary cap.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
73. "Brady took Truth's heart in 01....lol."
In response to Reply # 46


  

          

Truth you cool and I like reading ya post but come on man?

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"lol"


          

Brady won against the Ram and then fucked Truth's girl or something to get him this mad.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 10:36 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
114. "that's just the thing, we lost that game more due to people like Ty..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

Law, Willie McGinest and Adam Vinetieri than Tom Brady. Brady only had like 140 yards passing in the game. He hit on a couple of checkdowns to set up the winning FG and that's why he got the MVP but othe than that he did nothing special in that game.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 01:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
130. "Man, you talking in circles like Senator Kerry"
In response to Reply # 114


  

          

First you say it's a team thing. Then you say it's this select group of Patriots that brought about the Superbowl wins.

Just say it was a sum of all the parts of the team and be done with it. Because that's what it was. Stop pinpointing some group. The Patriots beat the Rams because of the defense AND because of the offense. Everyone contributed. And yes, Brady won MVP because when things got rough, he delivered like "Montana". He just didn't throw a game-winning TD. And Belichick ran circles around Martz in terms of coaching as he beat the #1 offense seen in like your lifetime with the 20 something rank defense.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 02:00 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
131. "that's exactly what I've been saying, genius..."
In response to Reply # 130


          

>Just say it was a sum of all the parts of the team and be done
>with it. Because that's what it was. Stop pinpointing some
>group. The Patriots beat the Rams because of the defense AND
>because of the offense.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 02:14 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
132. "AHA"
In response to Reply # 131


  

          

But the only thing is you won't admit that philosophy with any other great teams/players.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

gmltheone
Member since Jun 11th 2003
8564 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 04:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
62. "Pats fan..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

You do know how ridiculous it is to argue a man's greatness while poormouthing the team around him when the x-factor in his greatness is a team honor. His superbowl rings are tied to the greatness of the teams he led. The patriots are superbowl champions...not just tom brady.

You can't have it both ways.

King is on some fan-boy hyperbole shit and has always been when it comes to that organization. He's the real we roll our eyes when the topic comes up. Brady throws a 13yd completion and he does 3 paragraphs on it. Let his career be what it is. Why does he have to be anointed anything now? If he goes out there and has fun 5 times against the chargers it won't matter.

----------------------------
"I don't want to die because I ate too many cheeseburgers" The Big Kid aka Shawn Andrews

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 04:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
64. "lol"
In response to Reply # 62


          

>You do know how ridiculous it is to argue a man's greatness
>while poormouthing the team around him when the x-factor in
>his greatness is a team honor. His superbowl rings are tied
>to the greatness of the teams he led. The patriots are
>superbowl champions...not just tom brady.
>
>You can't have it both ways.

we're not bashing the greatness of the team, we're saying he never had the great receiving corps or offenses the other great QBs had. Is that not true?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 07:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
74. "but you guys absolutely REFUSE to acknowlege the FACT that Brady..."
In response to Reply # 64


          

had some things going in his favor that a lot of other great QB's never had

>we're not bashing the greatness of the team, we're saying he
>never had the great receiving corps or offenses the other
>great QBs had. Is that not true?

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
79. "What does he have in his favor that other greats NEVER had??"
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

Tell me. Cuz Montana had the coaching, the playmakers, the defenses, etc. So you're trying to tell me Brady has things on his teams that other greats - Elway, Montana, and Young (for example) NEVER had???

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:08 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
80. "The only thing Brady has over them on his teams is Belichick"
In response to Reply # 79


  

          

who's arguably one of the top 3 greatest coaches ever seen.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
83. "in post #69 you're crying that Brady never had the weapons that Manning...."
In response to Reply # 79


          

or Marino had.

Did they have defenses like the defense Brady has had in his SB years?

And I know you guys don't like to talk about it but since you like to deal in hypotheticals if it wasn't for the tuck rule the Brady legend might have never existed.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
85. "What's interesting about Manning tho..."
In response to Reply # 83


  

          

is that his defenses haven't performed poorly in the playoffs. It's been him consistently. Unless you've been watching a different Manning. I dunno. But the reason we were talking about weapons that the QBs have in the first place is because we were discussing individual greatness I thought and not just team success. Of course the Colts have never played D like the Pats. But at the same time, the Pats use a lot of cats of defense that no one wants and then anchors them around a dab of very good players like your Seymours, McGinests, Laws, Milloys, etc. That's where Belichick does his best work. I mean, everyone in the NFL has talent or they wouldn't be there. So of course all our players have talent. Are there teams with more individual talent than the Pats? Of course. Or am I lying about that? But that's what makes the Patriots special in today's league. Now this weekend they go up against a team that on paper is far superior to them. Now if the Pats win, you mean to tell me we have more talent overall than the Chargers? I mean, what are you and everyone trying to say about Brady? He isn't that good? He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Montana just because? LOL. Yall make these boards a blast to be a part of though. I actually do laugh out loud when reading a lot of stuff here.

>
>And I know you guys don't like to talk about it but since you
>like to deal in hypotheticals if it wasn't for the tuck rule
>the Brady legend might have never existed.

I'll talk about the tuck rule. It happened and we won. We came back 2 more times to show our organization wasn't a fluke. Yall picking.

If you really want to get technical and down dirty with everything, we can compare the amount of pro bowlers the Pats have, concrete stuff, etc. But there's no need for that but that's the kind of conversation you all are making this Brady thing into.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
86. "and WTF does Brady have to do with all of that?"
In response to Reply # 85


          

>Of course the Colts have never played D
>like the Pats. But at the same time, the Pats use a lot of
>cats of defense that no one wants and then anchors them around
>a dab of very good players like your Seymours, McGinests,
>Laws, Milloys, etc. That's where Belichick does his best work.
>I mean, everyone in the NFL has talent or they wouldn't be
>there. So of course all our players have talent. Are there
>teams with more individual talent than the Pats? Of course. Or
>am I lying about that? But that's what makes the Patriots
>special in today's league.

how many tackles has Brady made? how many sacks does he have? The Pats are the only multiple SB winner to not have a top 5 ranked offense.

>Now this weekend they go up against
>a team that on paper is far superior to them. Now if the Pats
>win, you mean to tell me we have more talent overall than the
>Chargers?

The gap in talent is not as big as you make it out to be. Sure the Chargers have LDT but Rivers is essential a rookie at QB and his WR's are worse than Brady's. The Pats defense is ranked higher than the Chargers as well.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
93. "So what you're getting at is..."
In response to Reply # 86


  

          

the Patriots are a very talented team that can plug in any QB and win in regards to Brady because the defense is what really has gotten them the titles? It's not a combination of an all-time great QB with a very talented team? That's why he's not in Montana's league or as good as Montanna. Is that it? Help me. I'm just trying to get to the nitty gritty.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
37956 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
110. "I think what a lot of NE fans don't like to acknowledge"
In response to Reply # 93


  

          

is NE goes as the defense goes. Look at NE since 01.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nweindex.htm

Look at Brady's #s since 01.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm

When NE has a top D ( 01, 03, 04 ) & this season, they're legitimate SB contenders. In 2 of Brady's top 3 seasons ( 02, 05 ) NE missed the playoffs & lost in the divisional round.

Obviously Brady, as the QB, gets credit for everything he's done to help NE win titles but we gotta look at the entire picture.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"And that's the reason we livin where they don't visit..
where the dope slangin keep swangin like Sonny Liston.." Black Thought

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 10:28 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
113. "^^^REAL TALK! POST OVER!"
In response to Reply # 110
Wed Jan-10-07 10:37 AM by ThaTruth

          

.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 11:41 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
116. "LOL! Yall are funny. We all know defense wins championships"
In response to Reply # 110


  

          

But it seems like you're trying to imply that other great teams won in spite of their defenses and not because they had great defenses as well as great offensive stars? What are you saying? Those Niners teams didn't have great defenses? The Cowboys??? Yall are killing me pulling up stuff. We all know defense wins championships. The Niners were ranked at least 4th in team defense in every year they won the Superbowl with Montana, except for one year where they were 9th. So to imply that the Patriots defense negates anything Brady does is silly.

And BTW just for argument sakes, the Patriots have never been ranked in the top 5 of team defense in ANY year they won the title. The Patriots have always been built on a good D that bends and doesn't break. Which is why they allow more yards than some other teams, but allow fewer touchdowns/points. And in 2001, they were ranked like 5th from the bottom or some shit. But yall know all the facts.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 04:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
232. "Dude that's every SB winner for the past 80 years."
In response to Reply # 110


  

          

Let's look at the past 10 years.

Did the Steelers have a good defense.....yes

Did the Pats have a good defense.......yes

How bout Tampa Bay? Didn't they have a good defense or how bout them Ravens? Yeah Trent Dilfer was ballin. Negro please.

Let's not even talk about the Broncos or Cowboys or 49ers or Packers.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
90. "Like what?"
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
103. "posts 37 and 55"
In response to Reply # 74
Tue Jan-09-07 10:20 PM by thoughtprocess

          

sorry you can't read, but don't take it out on me son. and like lach said, did the other great QBs not have great D's? You mention Bradshaw like the Steel Curtain never existed.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
92. "He also NEVER faced as stiff of competition as the early '90s NFC"
In response to Reply # 64


  

          

Name me one solid team that Brady knocked off, not some flash in the pan team riding a hot hand to the SB*. THEN name me ONE of those teams that they beat in convincing fashion. They DIDN'T. They did exactly what was needed to win, no more no less. Brady is good, but let's not get insane. I seriously didn't know y'all Pats fans were this fucking insane. Just a little success getting to your head THAT bad?




*TUCK RULE

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
94. "So to interpret what you're saying..."
In response to Reply # 92


  

          

Brady shouldn't be compared to Montana because the Patriots have never beaten a great team by a large margin? Every team Brady has faced in the big game has been a so-so team? Does that sum it up?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
99. "Yes -- Montana beat numerous teams that would eat Brady for lunch"
In response to Reply # 94


  

          

Also, to try to diminish Montana's achievements because he had a better team, while ignoring the fact that he was playing AGAINST better teams, is selective reasoning.

Stop trying to shove him up against the true greats of the position, when he's only proven himself in unconvincing fashion* against unconvincing opponents.



*TUCK RULE

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
101. "LOL"
In response to Reply # 99


  

          

>Also, to try to diminish Montana's achievements because he
>had a better team, while ignoring the fact that he was playing
>AGAINST better teams, is selective reasoning.

Never did that. It actually seems the other way around. Like you and some others are trying to diminish Brady's achievements by any means necessary.

>Stop trying to shove him up against the true greats of the
>position, when he's only proven himself in unconvincing
>fashion* against unconvincing opponents.

Wow. Ok, Brady isn't in the league of Montana or any of the greats according to you based on competition. I guess Manning isn't in anyone's league either. Everyone today is pure garbage. Oh well.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
104. "Manning's a talented guy, but he's a choker -- what's the issue?"
In response to Reply # 101


  

          

We all know this. I'd easily rate Manning as one of the most talented men to play the position, but I would NEVER rate him as one of the greats, because he chokes worse than a two-year-old who just swallowed some ipikak.

Let's take Jim Kelly as a comparison point. Let's say Norwood makes that FG in that one SB. Now Jim Kelly has one SB under his belt, proceeds to lose the next three in stunning fashion, but still he's there four times in a row.

Let's take Tom Brady. Let's say common sense and human decency prevailed, and the Tuck Rule never happened. Now that's two SB victories. Let's say Viniateri misses a kick or Andy Ried manages clock better, now that's one SB. How is Jim Kelly not in Tom Brady's league then?

Brady's a good QB -- I'm not denying that, but I mean someone DID post "clear #2" which is flat-out one of the stupidest things I've ever read in OK sports. You guys got two SB victories*, congrats. Try not to let it get to your head so much though, huh?



*TUCK RULE

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Oakley
Charter member
7810 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
96. "The Eagles and Rams"
In response to Reply # 92


  

          

were "flash in the pan" teams?
the colts are/were a flash in the pan team?
FOH

___________________________________
"WASP of the year: even if he isn�t a WASP, Oakley. Sailing? Check. In a yacht club? Check. Used the term �summer� as a verb instead of a noun? You betcha!" -thejerseytornado

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 09:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
97. "Greatest Show On Turf"
In response to Reply # 96


  

          

I guess they were gar-bage.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
100. "Oh yeah, I remember that famed Ram defense, how could I forget?"
In response to Reply # 96


  

          

I also remember the Eagles having one of their most critical players going against doctor's orders and playing with a steel rod in his leg, then I also remember the game being criminally close and many observers noting that Andy Ried's coaching decisions had an awful lot to do with the loss.

I also NEVER remember Joe Montana winning a famous game by a FG. I remember TWO different emblematic last second TDs in the greatest stages available, and a good number of fairly dominant performances from start to finish, but I don't ever recall a kicker sealing the big game.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
108. "The Rams D was just overshadowed by their O."
In response to Reply # 100


          

they were one of the best in the league, people forget this. They gave up less points that season than all but 5 teams, and were only one point behing the Pats.

>I also remember the Eagles having one of their most critical
>players going against doctor's orders and playing with a steel
>rod in his leg, then I also remember the game being criminally
>close and many observers noting that Andy Ried's coaching
>decisions had an awful lot to do with the loss.

I also remember our team just being better and everyone realizing it after the game.


>
>I also NEVER remember Joe Montana winning a famous game by a
>FG. I remember TWO different emblematic last second TDs in
>the greatest stages available, and a good number of fairly
>dominant performances from start to finish, but I don't ever
>recall a kicker sealing the big game.

So you're saying that when the Pats were tied with opponents they should have gone for a TD rather than a field goal when they have the most clutch field goal kicker in history? sorry we didn't have deficits to overcome like Montana did, guess we'll try harder to lose for 3 and a half quarters so that Brady can prove himself. He clearly hasn't done enough convincing yet.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:08 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
120. "Rams had the #1 offense of the last 25 years or something"
In response to Reply # 108
Wed Jan-10-07 12:08 PM by Lach

  

          

and went up against a Pats team ranked 20 something.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
122. "exactly, has Brady EVER thrown a game-winning TD pass?"
In response to Reply # 100


          

its seems like every big game the Pats won always came to to a Vintieri FG. Sure Brady sustains drives and puts his team in position to win on those FG's, but he really doesn't have a lot of signature post-season moments where you can say, "This is why this guy is great"

Montana has a ton of them, "The Catch" to Dwight Clark in the '81 NFC championship, the game-winner to John Taylor vs. the Bengals in the '89 SB with 34 seconds left, the 5 TD's vs. Denver in the '90 SB.

Montana holds postseason records for most TD passes and passing yards.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
125. "That's partly coaching tho"
In response to Reply # 122


  

          

Belichick is notorious for not taking big chances in big situations when he's up.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
128. "That's understandable and a lot of that has to do with other things..."
In response to Reply # 125


          

like their defense playing well enough were they usually aren't more than a FG down late, last year in Denver was an exception and we saw the result.

You also should be able to understand, fair or unfair, a lot of people are going to be reluctant to put Brady among the all-time greats until he has that one defining moment when his team is down by more than a FG and he throws a game-winning TD pass.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
129. "It's also partly performance -- and Bill Walsh wasn't playing to lose"
In response to Reply # 125


  

          

He was just in a situation where he TRULY needed his QB to perform, and his QB did. When Brady is finally tested in a position like that, and not in this bullshit modern NFL "just get it to the 25" fashion, then we'll have more to talk about.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 02:17 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
133. "double standards"
In response to Reply # 129


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
144. "he has, just not in the playoffs."
In response to Reply # 122


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 10:12 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
156. "That's when it counts, genius. That why Joe Montana is the G.O.A.T...."
In response to Reply # 144


          

he played his best on the biggest stage.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:05 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
161. "So you have to throw a game-winning TD?"
In response to Reply # 156


  

          

Even though you still dominate in the playoffs and win Superbowl MVPs? And you still have 3 Superbowl rings with more coming? I'm not saying Montana isn't the GOAT. But it seems like you guys are saying that Brady can't ever surpass him if he keeps up what he's doing which doesn't make sense. That's like if Kobe was to win 5 titles in a row and currently working on a 6th and someone saying well Jordan or Magic is still the GOAT and he can never be considered greater. Do you get what I'm saying?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:11 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
162. "you need to relax dude, you asked a question and i answered it."
In response to Reply # 156


          

damn.

and plus, he's never been in a situation in the playoffs where he's needed to go for a touchdown. sorry we don't play from more than three points behind in the 4th quarter.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:14 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
163. "umm...did you watch the playoffs last season?"
In response to Reply # 162


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:17 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
165. "what about the playoffs last year?????"
In response to Reply # 163


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:29 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
168. "Champ Bailey happened."
In response to Reply # 165
Fri Jan-12-07 11:31 AM by ThaTruth

          

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20060114_NE@DEN

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:41 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
169. "That's what happens when you can't run the ball at all"
In response to Reply # 168


  

          

And you have to predictably throw the ball on 2 and 1, 3rd and inches, etc. Last year there was no run game whatsoever. But shit happens. Like I guess that '82 Niners team never happened either.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
170. "^^^PLEAS COPPED! The G.O.A.T. qb shouldn't need a running game..."
In response to Reply # 169


          

he won 2 other championships without a running game, right? should be a piece of cake! NOPE! When it counted and his team need a TOUCHDOWN instead of a FG he CHOKED!! Running game or no running game that was an AWFUL throw.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:04 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
172. "You're unbelieveable"
In response to Reply # 170


  

          

You're completely ignoring all the playoff losses Montana had. Ignoring them and saying because Brady didn't deliver last year then bla bla bla. Man, that's talking in circles. Brady's never had a below .500 or an even .500 season in his career. Joe did. I mean if you wanna sling dirt. Because you seem bent on saying one thing about Brady but ignoring it for another. Or maybe I'm wrong about all the posts you've made.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                            
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
174. "You're missing the point -- Montana lost to GOOD teams"
In response to Reply # 172


  

          

Not some fucking rag-tag thrown together group of mercenaries riding a hot hand into a couple lucky playoff victories.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
178. "He lost to teams on an even playing field"
In response to Reply # 174


  

          

same as Brady has. I mean, its difficult to compare past and present times with the NFL, but you guys are the ones who started with these comparisons. But like Will said above, you can't write off someone for achieving greatness in today's league just because of the cap era. Because it essentially helps to make everyone on the same playing field. So if you consider today's league a shitty league, then everyone's playing on a shitty foundation. You get me?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:14 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
175. "lol, you're really reaching now, other than the strike shortened season...."
In response to Reply # 172


          

in '82 Montana never had a below .500 year either!

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:17 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
177. "But he had one"
In response to Reply # 175


  

          

And my friend, you're the one reaching bringing up any and everything. That's why I brought that up.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
179. "L"
In response to Reply # 177


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
182. "You're being selective Theo"
In response to Reply # 179


  

          

Telling half truths/half stories to your OK family.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
187. "Did Brady CHOKE in the postseason when he team needed a TD?"
In response to Reply # 182


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
192. "Yes"
In response to Reply # 187


  

          

But I remember someone not being very Montana-ish on a few playoff occasions as well. So bringing up one bad playoff game means what in the grand scheme of things? He didn't complete a 3-peat title run? lol

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
194. ""3-peat" means consecutively, genius."
In response to Reply # 192


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
195. "You didn't understand what I was saying youngin"
In response to Reply # 194


  

          

I asked you what did his failure last year mean in the grand scheme of things? And what I was trying to say to you is that all it meant is that he failed on a 3 peat attempt.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
197. "you keep trying to change the subject, when Brady's team needs a TD..."
In response to Reply # 195


          

in a big game he can't get it done, bottom line.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                            
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
203. "I admitted he didn't come thru"
In response to Reply # 197


  

          

What else do you want? You want me to say that wipes out everything else about him? That would be retarded. Because no one comes through EVERY time out.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                    
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
171. "remember folks"
In response to Reply # 169


          

these Patriots fans are the same ones who wanted to speculate on Corey Dillon's chances at the Hall of Fame two years ago, think Laurence Maroney is the best rookie of 2006 and make statements like these:

"BTW, can a Pats O-lineman get a Probowl call please league?"

oh, but when they lose a game then the linemen suck and there is no run game

Antowain Smith and the Patriots ran for 133 yards in the SB win over St. Louis, or one yard less than Brady threw for

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
181. "When did I or anyone say the Pats O-line sucked?"
In response to Reply # 171


  

          

My comments have always been about the guys actually running the ball. If I've ever dissed our O-line, you will have to show me. And I neve said Maroney was the best rookie out there. You know, in all this, I just see double talk with the guys currently dissin. They'll good as say Manning aint shit and not one of the great QBs because he plays in a cap era. I mean, I just don't get all these arguments.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
185. "actually it was ThaTruth that began the Maroney post"
In response to Reply # 181


          

lol

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
188. "I know. That's the irony of it all. If a cat is from his places"
In response to Reply # 185


  

          

he will crown them king. I thought my Uncle Charlie was the biggest hypocrit I knew till I started posting on OK Sports. lol

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:25 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
166. "lol"
In response to Reply # 163


          

i meant in a position to score a game-winning TD, didn't know i had to explain these things to you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 04:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
233. "RE: He also NEVER faced as stiff of competition as the early '90s NFC"
In response to Reply # 92


  

          

>Name me one solid team that Brady knocked off, not some flash
>in the pan team riding a hot hand to the SB*. THEN name me
>ONE of those teams that they beat in convincing fashion. They
>DIDN'T. They did exactly what was needed to win, no more no
>less. Brady is good, but let's not get insane. I seriously
>didn't know y'all Pats fans were this fucking insane. Just a
>little success getting to your head THAT bad?
>
>
>
>
>*TUCK RULE

CAROLINA PANTHERS DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD DEFENSE THE YEAR THEY WENT TO THE SUPERBOWL? The Eagles with JIM JOHNSON????? Yo Brady WON!! It's all that matters at the end of the day HE WON! Ask Marino or Kelly if they would mind winning a SB by 3 or less points. And then why you wanna know a team the Pats beat in comvincing fashion if the Pats did exactly what they needed to do? Just log off.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 04:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
65. "and I'm STILL tryinig to figure out how Sean Payton is part of the..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

"Bill Belichick tree"

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/coachbio.cfm?coachid=312

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Payton

Is Belichick so great that he tutors coaches on other teams?

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
109. "it was very poorly worded"
In response to Reply # 65


          

but he meant to put him under the Parcells tree, and thus his collective "Parcells/Belichick" tree.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 04:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
212. "no, he just fucked up"
In response to Reply # 109


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

CliffDogg
Member since Dec 19th 2004
18077 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
77. "I can see that."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

----

THFC
F1
MotoGP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
81. "see this:"
In response to Reply # 77


          

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
82. "These cats act like we're trying to dis the rest of the Pats"
In response to Reply # 77


  

          

and say they're bums. We're not saying that. We're saying that on paper, there are TONS of players teams would take over the guys the Patriots have or had outside of a few like Brady, Seymoour, Adam V, Tedd Bruschi, Ty Law.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

explizit
Charter member
9990 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 08:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
84. "fuck him"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I'll take montana over brady anyday.

http://myspace.com/bambumusic

www.individualsole.com

http://www.individualsole.com/?p=5256

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGH3OuP9Sek

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
102. "I guess only the Pats fans are doing selective reasoning"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

in these posts. Everyone else is just telling it like it is. Go figure.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Tue Jan-09-07 10:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
106. "There's a difference between "good QB" and "clear #2""
In response to Reply # 102


  

          

One is a defensible position, the other is pure fucking madness. I'd like to think you could sort out which one's which, but apparently the shitty weather has gotten to you.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
MadDagoNH
Member since Oct 03rd 2002
12463 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 11:03 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
115. "actually, the weather in Boston's been nice"
In response to Reply # 106


  

          

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, Lach isn't livin in Boston right now.

San Fran fans feel violated when people compare Brady to Montana, so they try and shit on his accomplishments. I've pretty much come to expect that.

------------
I feel old. I been out there since I was 13. I ain't never fucked up a count, never stole off a package, never did some shit that I wasn't told to do. I been straight up. But what come back?" - Preston "Bodie" Broadus

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 11:42 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
117. "Just like "nice weather in Boston" is still pure ass by CA standards..."
In response to Reply # 115


  

          

comparing Brady to Montana is just dumb.

I don't want my boy Joe's name -- or shit, even Steve's -- cheapened like that, so yeah, I'll say something.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
MadDagoNH
Member since Oct 03rd 2002
12463 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 11:56 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
119. "I guess I can understand that"
In response to Reply # 117


  

          

I mean, I still get kinda upset when people say Barry Bonds was a greater hitter than Ted Williams, so wanting to protect your guys is understandable.

Of course, Ted Williams was what Barry Bonds may have become if he didn't become the Incredible Expanding Man, so that part's pretty much undeniable.

The difference here is that Brady's accomplished a ton at a pretty young age. While you may disagree with putting him up there, there's the absolute possibility that he wins more Super Bowls and has better numbers by the end of his career. If he does that, there will always be discussions on whether he's as good or better than Montana.

------------
I feel old. I been out there since I was 13. I ain't never fucked up a count, never stole off a package, never did some shit that I wasn't told to do. I been straight up. But what come back?" - Preston "Bodie" Broadus

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
121. "So Brady's done nothing to be compared to Montana"
In response to Reply # 117


  

          

whatsoever in your mind? I mean, I grew watching Joe. I know how good he was. But I remember the so-so seasons too. He was best in the clutch. Best when the Niners truly needed him. But to say he's untouchable is unreasonable.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
123. "lol"
In response to Reply # 121


          

>whatsoever in your mind? I mean, I grew watching Joe. I know
>how good he was. But I remember the so-so seasons too. He was
>best in the clutch. Best when the Niners truly needed him. But
>to say he's untouchable is unreasonable.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
127. "He's won two SBs*, which is equal to Elway, one more than Favre"
In response to Reply # 121


  

          

How fucking dumb does Peter King have to be to ignore THOSE names as well, never mind Montana? I mean shoot, you play a good game in the SB, you're like the next coming now?

He's a good QB. He has a *chance* to legitimately belong in the discussion of the elites at the position. But right now he's on Jim fucking Kelly's level to me, and will be until he can actually win some games in convincing fashion.



*TUCK RULE

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Thu Jan-11-07 11:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
140. "lol, i didnt know there was an asterisk next to SB 36 now."
In response to Reply # 127


          

thanks for informing me.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
CliffDogg
Member since Dec 19th 2004
18077 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:23 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
148. "Like that shit didn't count, FOH."
In response to Reply # 140


  

          

----

THFC
F1
MotoGP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

deemz
Member since May 29th 2006
2690 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
124. "I'd put Montana, Elway, and maybe Cunningham over him"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

for now.

Could change if he wins another SB though.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Wed Jan-10-07 12:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
126. "Cunningham?"
In response to Reply # 124


  

          

Yall buggin.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
CliffDogg
Member since Dec 19th 2004
18077 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
143. "hahahhaa"
In response to Reply # 124


  

          

----

THFC
F1
MotoGP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
71344 posts
Wed Jan-24-07 04:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
271. "As in RANDALL Cunningham?"
In response to Reply # 124


  

          

coming from a guy who still has "Eagle Has Landed" and "Scramble, Randall" Nike posters framed in his living room along with every jersey Randall has worn (well, only two of the Pro Bowl ones), let be the first to say ...




WHA???????

I dunno, man, you'd have to make one hell of a case for me to buy that Randall, in sum, is a better QB than Brady.

Warren Moon, OK, I buy that, Cunningham is awfully tough sell though.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Soulbrotha
Member since Feb 18th 2004
7401 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:06 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
146. "With the way Brady's going.."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

eventually he will be as great if not greater. I mean dude is young and even Montana confessed in an interview I think about the 3rd SB win of this current Pats dynasty had that it was amazing how young Brady was winning this many back to back...

All this talk of what team he's on, what D is playing or what kinda O-line is playing is just talk. It ain't part of the debate at least in my mind when considering the goats. I'm not buying into the 70's teams being better than the present and all that either..diff time..even the players of today are bigger and stronger and faster..but that's a whole 'nother story..

right now..and we're talking about present-day..Brady's already up there with the best of 'em. Whether you wanna agree or not. The numbers and performances don't lie. A win is a win is a win..it don't matter how dirty or clean it is. If he wins one or two more SB's, best believe folks will crown him...Pats fans and non-Pats fans.

"Do to others what you would others have done unto you." - The Lord Jesus Christ

SB Video: http://www.youtube.com/soulbrothavideo
SB tweet:www.twitter.com/soulb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

RexLongfellow
Charter member
18296 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
147. "This Is Crazy"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Jan-12-07 01:20 AM by RexLongfellow

  

          

As much as I hate Tom Brady (I'm a Jets fan), I realize that he's a beast

But the best QB we've ever seen?
Most of us are between 21-40 and have seen
Joe Montana just crush teams
John Elway take people's hearts
Dan Marino just carry an entire city on his back
Even Brett Favre was just as scary of a QB

I'd put Brady right now in an Aikman class (although I think he's better than Aikman), but best we've ever seen, come on

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Soulbrotha
Member since Feb 18th 2004
7401 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 07:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
217. "You're not saying Brady ain't doing that to teams?"
In response to Reply # 147


  

          

Or are the playoff victories some kinda spoof?

I think we gotta separate nostalgia from reality here. Personally Montana will always be the goat in my eyes but as of right now Brady is inching closer and closer..even if he doesn't win as many SB's again he's already as good if not better than Aikman..I'm not going to get into this who he has around him argument..just looking at win for win situations..

"Do to others what you would others have done unto you." - The Lord Jesus Christ

SB Video: http://www.youtube.com/soulbrothavideo
SB tweet:www.twitter.com/soulb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 11:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
218. "people forget Elway's rep. before those two rings"
In response to Reply # 217


          

he was the guy who couldn't win the big game. he lost 3 SBs before that and was 7-7 in the playoffs. and as much as marino never had a team really built around him, he doesn't have a ring. favre won 1 and has largely just put up those gaudy regular season stats while having more fun than anyone. I'm still putting montana above brady, but it could change and i think people who don't acknowledge that are fooling themselves.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Soulbrotha
Member since Feb 18th 2004
7401 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 12:49 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
220. "..and personally I really think Brady"
In response to Reply # 218


  

          

will likely win at least 1 before his career is over..if he does that best believe the montana vs. brady argument is up for grabs..

"Do to others what you would others have done unto you." - The Lord Jesus Christ

SB Video: http://www.youtube.com/soulbrothavideo
SB tweet:www.twitter.com/soulb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 07:25 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
153. "in Brady's 11 playoff victories"
In response to Reply # 0


          

the Patriots defense has given up an average of 16 points per game and forced 29 turnovers, or 2.6 per game.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
tonywashington
Charter member
23576 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 12:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
219. "very important fact."
In response to Reply # 153


          

-T
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"rick ross got old african woman swag" (c)nayaa

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 02:12 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
222. "hmmmmmm"
In response to Reply # 153


          

average points given up by their team during their postseason victories:

Montana: 13.2
Elway: 18
Aikman: 15.8
Favre: 17.3
Marino: 15.8

Favre and Elway didn't get as much help, but look at Montana, Aikman (some were arguing Brady was only on Aikman's level), and Marino. I guess it was all their D right?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:05 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
223. "points per game allowed by defense during playoffs:"
In response to Reply # 222


          

Dan Marino - 26.2
John Elway - 23.9
Steve McNair - 22.1
Peyton Manning - 22.1
Brett Favre - 21.8
Troy Aikman - 20.4
Joe Montana - 18.5

Tom Brady - 16.7

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
225. "nope, you said during victories."
In response to Reply # 223
Sat Jan-13-07 03:27 PM by thoughtprocess

          

to prove that brady got more help from his defenses during his wins. but it's not true.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:28 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
226. "points per game allowed by defense during playoffs:"
In response to Reply # 225


          

Dan Marino - 26.2
John Elway - 23.9
Steve McNair - 22.1
Peyton Manning - 22.1
Brett Favre - 21.8
Troy Aikman - 20.4
Joe Montana - 18.5

Tom Brady - 16.7

to show that Brady gets more help from his defense, period.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
228. "i saw it before"
In response to Reply # 226


          

but your original point is moot, is it not?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:44 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
229. "the victories thing was just about turnovers forced"
In response to Reply # 228


          

obviously they didn't have the greatest TO margin in the Denver game (I have to remain a little biased).

but the other numbers stand up...I mean, with a straight face you can't tell me Marino got more help from his defense during the playoffs.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
230. "No, I'm not saying this at all."
In response to Reply # 229


          

>obviously they didn't have the greatest TO margin in the
>Denver game (I have to remain a little biased).
>
>but the other numbers stand up...I mean, with a straight face
>you can't tell me Marino got more help from his defense during
>the playoffs.

What I'm saying is the stats were presented in a biased manner to prove a point when really they didn't prove that point at all if you looked at other QBs in those same situations. As you probably know, statistics usually only say something when you make them say something, and it's just a pet peeve of mine when only one side of a story is told by stats. If you had started off with the second set of stats I would have absolutely agreed with you and it would have been much more fairly presented.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 04:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
231. "all I did was put up a stat"
In response to Reply # 230
Sat Jan-13-07 04:14 PM by will_5198

          

I never said Montana's defense allowed fewer points per game during his victories.

you made your own assumptions of what I was saying, right?

ha

the point I *did* prove is that Brady has had the best playoff defenses among all those quarterbacks mentioned.

(everyone is biased in their own way in this thread regardless...you've got Patriots fans exaggerating the Colts' offensive personnel, Lach saying no teams would want the players on the Patriots outside of a FEW - Vinatieri, Bruschi, Law, Seymour, Wilfork, Milloy, Harrison, Dillon, Maroney, Branch, Brady...you know, just one or two)

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 09:56 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
154. "NOT CRAZY!!... read what I have to say ASAP"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Jan-12-07 09:59 AM by Matinho

  

          

We agree that the top tier are Elway, Montana, Marino, Favre, Unitas, etc.

Tom's playoff prowess is beyond anything Favre has ever done for sure... Marino too for that matter (yes, I know his teams sucked, blah blah blah). Those two have the gaudy stats because they played at such a high level for so long.

If you watch Brady, especially in the playoffs, you cannot deny that he is one of the best ever at playing the position of Quarterback. Break down tape of his execution of the game plan and the adjustments he makes (on your own, not with Jaws), its unbelievable. He makes everything look so fucking easy that I think some people overlook how insane he really is. Instead of making some kind of Favre-esque absurd underhand throw after scrambling for 10 seconds; Brady will adjust one or two things pre-snap, and fit the ball into a 2 foot window while making it look like child's play. This is just me ranting, but it really is amazing. What's even more amazing is that he still is somewhat underrated in general, with the consensus being that everybody would still want Peyton Manning as THEIR ONE quarterback. As a matter of fact, alot of people say they would take Palmer as well, Brady doesn't get chosen until people say "If you had one game to win..." or "What quarterback would you want in the playoffs down by 7 with 1:00 to go?". Now I do not, nor will I ever understand why you would want another quarterback in general, but when it comes down to winning when it matters, Brady is the choice. That must be the Colt philosophy of racking up stats and some wins when it doesn't matter. Whatever.

Even on the ESPN poll I just read:
"What player would you rather have in the playoffs?"

LaDainian Tomlinson: 72%
Tom Brady: 28%

Whatever.. I guess these people missed the last 5 years of the playoffs, where Brady went 11-1 and Tomlinson got shut down by the Jets.

However, this same poll had the following result as well, so I hope this was just a completely ignorant sample size:

Which coach will do a better job of preparing his team for the opponent?

65.4% Marty Schottenheimer
34.6% Bill Belichick

(I suspect many people would take LT over Brady in the playoffs still either way, which is ridiculous)
But I digress.


The other day Darren Woodson echoed something that I've heard from a few other players. He said that there comes a point where for players like himself and Brady, who have experienced alot of success in playoffs and super bowls, the regular season becomes almost boring for them. They still want to win and love playing the game, but you can see something in their eyes and play in the post-season, it is clear they are on a whole other level -- Brady epitomizes this.


Tommy B is like Montana (as we've heard so many times), his numbers will be solid, not as gaudy as Marino, Favre, etc.; but they will be somewhere near their ballpark; and his playoff numbers will absolutely put him over the top and he just may be considered the best ever. His numbers are already close to Montana's and hes not even 30. As of now... just let Tom Brady do his thing.

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 10:15 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
157. "if you're down by a FG or less you want Brady, if you need a TD..."
In response to Reply # 154


          

then you'd want someone else.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 10:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
159. "you're thinking of Jeff Garcia.. that man will get you in FG position"
In response to Reply # 157
Fri Jan-12-07 10:31 AM by Matinho

  

          

nm

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 10:29 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
160. "youre right tho.. if I need a TD.. give me Tim Rattay.."
In response to Reply # 157
Fri Jan-12-07 10:29 AM by Matinho

  

          

nm

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
173. "Remeber that time he fumbled the game away against OAK?"
In response to Reply # 154


  

          

On his home field no less!


Oh wait -- that's right. They seemingly invented and willfully misinterpreted a whole rule so that never happened. My bad.


Look, he's a good QB, but let's not get crazy here.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
180. "^^^REAL TALK"
In response to Reply # 173


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 04:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
234. "Who you should be mad at is those weak ass Rams"
In response to Reply # 180


  

          

for letting a team that wasn't supposed to be in the SB because of the "TUCK RULE" beat they sorry asses. Hell you couldn't beat the Pats, what the fuck you think your weak ass rams would of done agaisnt the Raiders or the Steelers?

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
183. "i think this is a misconception."
In response to Reply # 173


          


>
>
>Oh wait -- that's right. They seemingly invented and
>willfully misinterpreted a whole rule so that never happened.
>My bad.
>

it's a terrible rule, it really is, but it wasn't misinterpreted. i think they were told to call everything by the book before this game and so they did, for fear of the job more or less. so basically its a good call on a bad rule, and i'm surprised this rule hasn't been changed yet. i knew they wouldnt change it right away after the season cuz that would be admitting that they were wrong. and its actually gotten even worse since, now they have to call it on things like that rookie throwing the ball down after he was down, but not by contact. ruled an incomplete forward pass, lol.

do i think they got lucky? absolutely. do i think it completely negates the fact that they won the super bowl that year, as you suggested earlier in the post? no, thats fucking ridiculous.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
190. "Miss me with the BULLSHIT Pats party line"
In response to Reply # 183


  

          

>it's a terrible rule, it really is, but it wasn't
>misinterpreted. i think they were told to call everything by
>the book before this game and so they did, for fear of the job
>more or less. so basically its a good call on a bad rule, and
>i'm surprised this rule hasn't been changed yet. i knew they
>wouldnt change it right away after the season cuz that would
>be admitting that they were wrong. and its actually gotten
>even worse since, now they have to call it on things like that
>rookie throwing the ball down after he was down, but not by
>contact. ruled an incomplete forward pass, lol.
>
>do i think they got lucky? absolutely. do i think it
>completely negates the fact that they won the super bowl that
>year, as you suggested earlier in the post? no, thats fucking
>ridiculous.

Even according to the rule it was a bullshit call. His arm is in forward motion, then OBVIOUSLY changes motion as he pulls it into his body. Any sane, rational, clear-minded observer can see his throwing motion had been terminated. His arm was coming IN to his body, NOT moving forward. It's idiotic to suggest otherwise. IDIOTIC. The rule was MISINTERPRETED, so miss me with that "bad rule, right call" bullshit the NFL and Pats fans feed us to pretend like that whole post-season was in any way legit.

IT'S A FUCKING LIE, AND THE MOST BULLSHIT SPORTS CALL I'VE SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE*.



*(minus the Hand of God goal and the 5th Down)

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
193. "just relax... and listen"
In response to Reply # 190


  

          

the tuck rule is the tuck rule, sorry celery, get over it...

yea, what a bonehead move by Brady, who could possibly fumble the ball away as a result of a solid hit in that weather... how could he do such a thing.. what a bum

EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE SINCE THEN SHOULD BE NULLIFIED!!!

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
celery77
Member since Aug 04th 2005
25307 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 01:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
198. "Did I say he was a bad QB?"
In response to Reply # 193


  

          

I just said that you're making his accomplishments bigger than they are.

Make the CORRECT call on the Tuck Rule, even by ITS OWN DEFINITION, and suddenly he's 8-2, only has 2 SBs, and is suddenly more comparable to a guy like Jim Kelly than Joe Montana, or any number of OTHER truly great QBs.

I CAN admit that he's got a shot, if his career continues in the same fashion, of jumping up the list, but right now he's a good QB on a good team, and that's all I can say for him.

___________

HOPE!
https://vine.co/v/i7JjIBL3Qix
https://vine.co/v/i7JtqEFwxDu

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
200. "he's a Great QB on a Great team, similar to Montana again... and it"
In response to Reply # 198


  

          

it is truly a shame that you feel that way and that you continue to deny yourself the pleasure of allowing the true greatness of Thomas Edward Brady, Junior to wash over you like the calm waters of the Mediterranian Sea and make you feel like all is right with the world


celery!... immerse yourself in all that is... Tom Brady

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
201. "WTH?! you might want to put at least 1 "no homo" in that son..."
In response to Reply # 200


          

>it is truly a shame that you feel that way and that you
>continue to deny yourself the pleasure of allowing the true
>greatness of Thomas Edward Brady, Junior to wash over you like
>the calm waters of the Mediterranian Sea and make you feel
>like all is right with the world
>
>
>celery!... immerse yourself in all that is... Tom Brady

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
205. ""no homo" is unnecessary if you are half a man"
In response to Reply # 201


  

          

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:22 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
202. "you said he's just "good"; he's obviously more than just a "good" QB"
In response to Reply # 198


  

          

>I just said that you're making his accomplishments bigger
>than they are.

and you're making them smaller than they are.

>Make the CORRECT call on the Tuck Rule, even by ITS OWN
>DEFINITION,

they did.

>and suddenly he's 8-2, only has 2 SBs, and is
>suddenly more comparable to a guy like Jim Kelly than Joe
>Montana, or any number of OTHER truly great QBs.

even if he had only 2 SB's how is that more like Kelly's 0 than Montana's 4? especially since Montana only had 2 SB's at the age Brady is now.


>I CAN admit that he's got a shot, if his career continues in
>the same fashion, of jumping up the list, but right now he's a
>good QB on a good team, and that's all I can say for him.

Matt Hasselbeck is a good QB on a good team - Brady is obviously something more than that.


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
206. "gracias"
In response to Reply # 202


  

          

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
199. "WRONG - that's *exactly* what the rule says:"
In response to Reply # 190
Fri Jan-12-07 02:33 PM by 40thStreetBlack

  

          

>Even according to the rule it was a bullshit call. His arm is
>in forward motion, then OBVIOUSLY changes motion as he pulls
>it into his body. Any sane, rational, clear-minded observer
>can see his throwing motion had been terminated. His arm was
>coming IN to his body, NOT moving forward. It's idiotic to
>suggest otherwise. IDIOTIC. The rule was MISINTERPRETED, so
>miss me with that "bad rule, right call" bullshit the NFL and
>Pats fans feed us to pretend like that whole post-season was
>in any way legit.
>
>IT'S A FUCKING LIE, AND THE MOST BULLSHIT SPORTS CALL I'VE
>SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE*.

NFL Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2, Note 2: "When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble."

- therefore thoughtprocess is absolutely correct: it's a horrible rule, but the refs called it by the book.


so stop acting all incredulous over it when you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.



<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 02:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
204. "I can't believe you and I see eye to eye on something"
In response to Reply # 199


  

          

I'm bout to go out and play the lottery. lol

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 03:04 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
208. "we probably see eye to eye on alot of things - you just like to argue"
In response to Reply # 204


  

          

LOL


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 04:04 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
210. "the man does his research"
In response to Reply # 199


          

thanks 40.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
40thStreetBlack
Charter member
26244 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 04:23 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
213. "I can't believe they haven't changed that rule yet though"
In response to Reply # 210


  

          

it's been 5 years already, that's more than enough time to distance changing the rule from seeming like they're doing it simply because of that one play. what the hell are they waiting for?


<----- Long Live The King

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 04:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
214. "i know, it's dumb"
In response to Reply # 213
Fri Jan-12-07 04:36 PM by thoughtprocess

          

>it's been 5 years already, that's more than enough time to
>distance changing the rule from seeming like they're doing it
>simply because of that one play. what the hell are they
>waiting for?

it's so clearly wrong. i heard that every year before the season they go over all the rules with each team in a meeting and that the year after the tuck rule the raiders were in their meeting and when they heard that the tuck rule was still exactly the same they all walked out of the meeting. lol

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 03:09 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
224. "I remember in 2002"
In response to Reply # 213


          

they called it sporadically throughout the year, I guess just to show it wasn't one single isolated incident in the history of the NFL

and then they stopped doing it, b/c it is one of the dumbest things you'll ever hear or see in football

I think they tried to throw in the spirit of the rule in 2006 during the Oakland-Chargers game

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
thoughtprocess
Member since Nov 16th 2003
22223 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 04:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
211. "i already said they were lucky"
In response to Reply # 190


          


>Pats fans feed us to pretend like that whole post-season was
>in any way legit.
>

40thStreetBlack does all the proving in post 199, and btw, even AFTER the Raiders they still had to get by the Steelers (in pittsburgh, 9 point underdogs) and Rams (the greatest show on turf, 14 point underdogs). Nobody gave the Pats a chance against those teams, and rightfully so, but the Pats proved they were legit.

and btw, most championship teams do get lucky somewhere along the way in their postseason run. did we get more lucky than most others? yeah. but still, there's some controversy and debate in alot of those championship teams. let's not act like this is new.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Sat Jan-13-07 04:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
235. "You must be a Raiders fan cause you hurt too?"
In response to Reply # 173


  

          

>On his home field no less!
>
>
>Oh wait -- that's right. They seemingly invented and
>willfully misinterpreted a whole rule so that never happened.
>My bad.
>
>
>Look, he's a good QB, but let's not get crazy here.


Cry me a fucking river. Why the Rams aint beat the Pats then? Why the Panthers aint beat em? Why the Eagles aint beat them since "THEY" seemingly invented and willfully misinterpreted a whole rule? WHY IS BRADY STILL WINNING????


DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Selassie I God
Member since Feb 21st 2006
10355 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 12:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
189. "RE: "Tom Brady, the best quarterback most of us will ever see..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

is going to be taking an L this Sunday afternoon.

____
Some will tell you that they love you but they've got an ulterior motive - Oh what a shame
They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

(c) Luciano


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
71344 posts
Fri Jan-12-07 07:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
216. "I've seen at least three guys better"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Sorry, it's not a Super Bowl contest, we're talking individual players. Montana has him beat on both fronts, anyway.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
236. "so like I was saying..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
CountryRapTunes
Member since Oct 19th 2004
18949 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
237. "every can have a bad game or lose a game"
In response to Reply # 236


  

          

ones stock isnt affected that easily

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
238. "see post# 122. n/m"
In response to Reply # 237


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
CountryRapTunes
Member since Oct 19th 2004
18949 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
240. "Where is that reach .gif lol"
In response to Reply # 238


  

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
241. "We may revisit this post in years to come"
In response to Reply # 236


  

          

so don't go too far with it.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
mrhood75
Member since Dec 06th 2004
43295 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 03:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
243. "All I know is the Montana never choked up like that when the game..."
In response to Reply # 236


  

          

...was on the line, a la Brady.

-----------------

www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 03:08 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
244. "^^^REAL TALK"
In response to Reply # 243


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 03:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
245. "montana never threw an INT during a come back attempt?"
In response to Reply # 243


  

          

really? he succeeded on every game-on-the-line drive he ever started?

really?

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
mrhood75
Member since Dec 06th 2004
43295 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
262. "In the play-offs, when he needed to win the game? No, he was ice cold"
In response to Reply # 245


  

          

Super Bowl XXIII, game on the line. Behind 16-13. There's 3:10 left in the game on they've got the ball on their own eight. You know the rest.

Zero interceptions in four Superbowls. Three MVPs, and a damn good performances in the fourth.

Was he always perfect in the play-offs? No. But when he needed to lead the team to a win, he always did.

-----------------

www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
263. "the years they lost in the playoffs?"
In response to Reply # 262


  

          

it was never Joe's fault?

okay, i'll take your word for it.

FOH.

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 03:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
246. "did JOE ever have a WR with eyes the size of jupiter dropping"
In response to Reply # 243


  

          

RIDICULOUSLY EASY balls all over the fucking place in the most clutch of situations???... If i remember correctly, Dwight Clark CAUGHT that ball (and that throw was a bit high)

let us not forget the players that Joe Montana played with please... god almighty



Tom Brady made that gang of shitty ass receivers look good for a long time this year... the man can only do so much..

truthfully, this game was on the defense, not on Tom Brady


tell me you would have thought, at the beginning of this season, that jabar gaffney, reche caldwell, and their lack of SPEEEEEDDDDDDD (and multiple other ingredients that make one a good WR) would have been intricate parts of the Pats' O (and if one did think so, would they have thought Brady would have had this successful of a year?)...

please don't hate

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 03:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
247. "bottom line, the Brady hype is built on his game-winning drives but..."
In response to Reply # 246


          

all those drives only required him to get in FG postion. For the second year in a row when his team needed a TD he blew it.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Unity777
Member since Apr 30th 2003
3160 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
264. "foh"
In response to Reply # 247


  

          

how are you changing the standard for game winning drives for brady? elway, montana, etc. all had game winning drives leading to fgs, you gonna take that away from them too?

>all those drives only required him to get in FG postion. For
>the second year in a row when his team needed a TD he blew
>it.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
248. "Don't bother with it man"
In response to Reply # 243


  

          

They only remember the ESPN sports hall of fame ads about Joe.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
250. "lol, you know when Brady threw that pick you thought about this post"
In response to Reply # 248


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
251. "I knew you would resurrect it lol"
In response to Reply # 250


  

          

I was surprised it took so long actually.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
249. "Brady did choke, but I still think its partly the receivers fault"
In response to Reply # 243


  

          

They can't get open and have a hard time outrunning anyone so the deep ball is extremely hard nowadays. Hopefully, the Pats can correct that problem this offseason. Oh well, I guess Brady is Trent Dilfer now.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
252. "I think its Marlin Jackson's fault, how dare he pick off the G.O.A.T."
In response to Reply # 249


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lach
Charter member
43832 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
253. "I can't complain"
In response to Reply # 252


  

          

I feel the team maximized what it had. And my boy Dillon needs to retire.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
239. "In other news, things are looking up for Aaron Brooks"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

n/m

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
CliffDogg
Member since Dec 19th 2004
18077 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 02:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
242. "*Starts "Aaron Brooks Vs. Tom Brady" poll*"
In response to Reply # 239


  

          

*waits for it to get locked*

----

THFC
F1
MotoGP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
254. "Did anybody see "the G.O.A.T." pulling a Dirk on Troy Brown after..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

the near interception he threw in the 4th that bounced off Bob Sanders hands?

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
255. "lol, word."
In response to Reply # 254


          

considering what Brown did for him against the Chargers...

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
257. "I'm sure that was a receiver's fault too"
In response to Reply # 255


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
will_5198
Charter member
61260 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
258. "no, it's the defense's fault."
In response to Reply # 257


          

they gave up more than 16 points.

--------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
71344 posts
Wed Jan-24-07 04:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
270. "hahaha, i love it, you are in your fucking GLORY right now"
In response to Reply # 258


  

          

keep the throttle down!

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 04:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
256. "lol, Simmons barely even mentions Brady's choke, if he had led the..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

Pats to a TD half the column would have been about Brady being better than Montana, instead all he says is "After Brady got picked on a desperation drive to end the game"...


"http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070122

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
259. "what is he? like 12-2 all-time in the playoffs?"
In response to Reply # 256


  

          

yeah, i'd say he's a choker.

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
260. "last 2 seasons 1-2 and the 1 was a gift, when his team needed a TD..."
In response to Reply # 259
Mon Jan-22-07 05:07 PM by ThaTruth

          

instead of a FG, he CHOKED.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
smutsboy
Member since Jun 29th 2002
33163 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 05:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
261. "he must be a CHOKER then"
In response to Reply # 260


  

          

>instead of a FG, he CHOKED.

________________

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkZekl.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Matinho
Member since Sep 02nd 2006
9498 posts
Wed Jan-24-07 03:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
267. "3-2 the last two years jerkoff.... stop the hate for once"
In response to Reply # 260


  

          

W - Jax
W - Jets
W - Chargers

L - Denver
L - Indy

______

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Selassie I God
Member since Feb 21st 2006
10355 posts
Wed Jan-24-07 03:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
268. "2-2-1"
In response to Reply # 267


  

          

>W - Jax
>W - Jets

>
>L - Denver
>L - Indy

>Gift - Chargers

____
Some will tell you that they love you but they've got an ulterior motive - Oh what a shame
They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

(c) Luciano


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Frank Castle
Member since Dec 18th 2002
14088 posts
Mon Jan-22-07 06:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
265. "Damn the Pats win even when they lose...lol."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Y'all still hating after this loss? I mean damn.....thankyou.

DAMN!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
92783 posts
Wed Jan-24-07 01:17 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
266. "whatever makes you feel better."
In response to Reply # 265


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Jesse Badgreen
Member since Sep 30th 2003
7816 posts
Wed Jan-24-07 04:31 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
269. "i steal avatars that other people stole from other boards:"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/customavatars/avatar4753_71.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Lobby Okay Sports Okay Sports Archives topic #51299 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.25
Copyright © DCScripts.com