6. "it's not irrelevent at all, and yes, yes he is" In response to Reply # 2
here we go again
differences in offensive scheme might account for year to year variations and a bump in receptions or touchdowns, but the best backs are also generally the best fantasy backs. and with phillip, its probably not a big deal. he produced major when brees wasn't too hot. he still has other members of the offense around him and coaching staff. he is the best player on the team and maybe in football, why wouldn't he score? and anyway, the giants are always talking about thunder and lightning and goal line backs and shit like that. i'm not fucking with tiki in my top 4 (i guess 3 now maybe).
3. "touchdowns my man." In response to Reply # 0 Fri Aug-18-06 10:28 AM by smutsboy
Tiki had only 11 TDs on 411 touches
LJ had 21 on 369.
that's more than double the rate. in most fantasy football leagues touchdowns are a lot more valuable than yards.
Also the Chiefs offense has been more powerful than the Giants for quite a while now. And LJ proved last year that there's no drop off between him and Priest.
LJ scores twice as many TDs and comes from a better offense with a better rep.
Edit: LT also averages twice the TDs per touch that Tiki does.
4. "yup, that's the problem" In response to Reply # 3
NYG's got a short yardage guy, so Tiki loses fantasy points for that. Tiki himself said to pick Larry Johnson over himself because they kept him out of the short yardage drills in training camp.
7. "my bad, but the same is true for LT" In response to Reply # 5 Fri Aug-18-06 10:40 AM by smutsboy
he consistently gets around 20 TDs a year, which is double what Tiki had last year.
I think you're vastly underrating the value of TDs in fantasy football. The only other stats that count are yards and receptions and Tiki doesn't dominate enough to make up for getting half the number of TDs. Tiki's only broken double-digit TDs three times in his career. Tomlinson has gotten double-digits EVERY year he's been in the league
LT has been performing at a higher fantsy level for a longer period of time, and fantasy football is all about going with averages.
Another strike against Tiki is his age. He's 31 and when RB's hit 30, they're likely to fall apart at any moment. LT is still in his prime at 27 years old.
Edit: more stats:
LT averages a TD every 25 touches, Tiki averages one every 39!
>Based on the stats in one of my leagues (which gives more >value to yards than most people do)... > >Since 2001 LT has averaged 400 fantasy points a season, Tiki >has averaged 341. > >in 2005, Tiki had the edge by 7 FPs >2004, Tiki won by 21 >2003, LT by 214! >2002, LT by 67 >2001, LT by 37
And the 2005 stats are a bit deceptive because of the fact that LT played with cracked ribs for the second half of the season. Tiki just figured out how to not fumble last season, and people are trying to put him better than the best RB in the game?? Let me guess, Shockey is better than Gates too, right?
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>Based on the stats in one of my leagues (which gives more >value to yards than most people do)... > >Since 2001 LT has averaged 400 fantasy points a season, Tiki >has averaged 341. > >in 2005, Tiki had the edge by 7 FPs >2004, Tiki won by 21 >2003, LT by 214! >2002, LT by 67 >2001, LT by 37
And the 2005 stats are a bit deceptive because of the fact that LT played with cracked ribs for the second half of the season. Tiki just figured out how to not fumble last season, and people are trying to put him better than the best RB in the game?? Let me guess, Shockey is better than Gates too, right?
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27. "no, no he doesn't." In response to Reply # 26
LT had his best fantasy seasons when Brees and the offense sucked. They threw dump off passes to him all season and he racked up the catches, yards and touchdowns.
35. "Ladanian Tomlinson & his horny Hornfrogs" In response to Reply # 31
Taylor has gotten over it, you can too. They asked LT II about LT I and he said that at a golf tournament Taylor said that it was fine unless they were in the same place, than Tomlinson would have to be "Baby LT."
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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38. "Gee, I don't know..." In response to Reply # 0
Barber; 155 attempts for 715 yards and 0 TDs
LT; 150 attempts for 656 and 9 TDs
In fantasy (or real life for that matter), I'll trade 60 yards for 9TDs any day.
You keep taking Tiki the retired one.
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in my league LT2 has more than 50% more fantasy points than Tiki, and our league gives above average value for yardage. Meaning in most regular leagues, the difference is probably even bigger.
44. "I guy in my league has LT..." In response to Reply # 0
this past Sunday his QB (Eli Manning) gave him (-3) points...he still beat his opponent soundly. LT gave him 36 points. This dude gets like 4 touchdowns every week!
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49. "You know how I do ... it is a keeper league though" In response to Reply # 48
This guy has a shitty team, he make keep Brees. Where I steined him was thinking that Cadillac was a keeper. He has some decent receivers but no one worth keeping, his other back is like Julius Jones or some bullshit. He had Romo and Kitna alternating at QB.
Basically his team sucked and he needed talent, I needed Barber for the playoffs because despite being in first or second all year (second right now), I know I will lose to this asshole who has Willie Parker and Tomlinson unless I get #1 back (previously it had been Frank Gore).
I cant believe I am contending in this league, my first two picks were utterly worthless (Brady, Cadillac) and Santana has been awful lately. Thank Guinness for Marques "tight end-eligible" Colston and his crew of flunkies (Gore, Burress and other guys who lasted too long).
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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54. "came up w/ sumin funky called rock the Ls, UGH!" In response to Reply # 52
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