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"An inspiring memoir by a former NBA star who is gay (ed: John Amaechi)"
Wed Feb-07-07 12:42 PM by smutsboy

          

I found this posted on another messageboard, its supposedly legit...
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On February 20, 2007, ESPN Books will release an autobiography titled, “Man in the Middle: My Life In and Out of Bounds.” The author is currently listed as “Anonymous.”

The book’s pre-release summary (provided by the publisher) is as follows:

An inspiring memoir by a former NBA star who is gay.

"Man in the Middle" chronicles one man’s extraordinary journey from an awkward, overweight child to a jet-setting NBA star. Along the way, he encountered endless obstacles to achieving his hoop dreams—his father’s abandonment, being cut from his first college team, a life-threatening injury, abusive coaches, the death of his mother—all the while protecting a vital secret that could end his career. He was gay.

AUTHOR BIO: Author to be revealed February 20, 2007


Man in the Middle: My Life In and Out of Bounds

ISBN: 1933060190 / Publisher: ESPN Books / Date: Feb. 20, 2007
Format: Hardcover
List price: USD 24.95

This book really is being published. All of the major book industry retailers (Amazon, Barnes&Noble, & Borders) are taking pre-publication orders.

Who is the former star that’s writing this book? Any guesses?

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

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Kevin Willis
Feb 06th 2007
1
for the record, ^^^underrated reply. i lol'd. n/m
Feb 07th 2007
168
A.C. Green
Feb 06th 2007
2
lol. No such thing as a rich 40 year old virgin straight man
Feb 09th 2007
356
      Isn't he married now?
Feb 09th 2007
359
           lol, word?
Feb 09th 2007
442
                RE: lol, word?
Feb 12th 2007
449
take this shit elsewhere
Feb 06th 2007
3
^^^^David Stern's alias
Feb 06th 2007
5
cmon, man ...seriously
Feb 06th 2007
6
      Maybe Truth's coming out of the closet. This might be some heavy
Feb 06th 2007
8
           Hilarity at its finest
Feb 06th 2007
10
Wait, we talk about sports on here? Shut your homophobic ass up
Feb 06th 2007
9
celery77??
Feb 06th 2007
12
      stah?? Yeah, you're dumb
Feb 06th 2007
13
^^^GAYER THAN A MUHFUCKER^^^
Feb 06th 2007
49
Brian Haig
Feb 06th 2007
4
Oh god I hope it's Ostertag
Feb 06th 2007
7
lol
Feb 06th 2007
11
lol, me too
Feb 06th 2007
23
nah, it';s gotta be Big Country
Feb 06th 2007
29
"jet-setting NBA star"
Feb 06th 2007
35
LOL @ Ostertag
Feb 06th 2007
53
Ledell Eackles
Feb 06th 2007
14
Never got this reply
Feb 14th 2007
464
Oliver Miller
Feb 06th 2007
15
Would give disturbing new meaning to The Big O
Feb 06th 2007
22
why is this coming out AFTER NBA Allstar Weekend?! lol
Feb 06th 2007
16
Pervis Ellison
Feb 06th 2007
17
umm...Pervis was one of the best college freshman of all time
Feb 06th 2007
19
      I missed that part when I posted this. John Amaechi?
Feb 06th 2007
43
           already posted in #36
Feb 06th 2007
54
Sean Elliot
Feb 06th 2007
18
None of these people named were cut from thier college teams
Feb 06th 2007
20
^^^MJ and Co. Sonned his favorite team ...constantly
Feb 06th 2007
27
karl malone
Feb 06th 2007
21
larry bird
Feb 06th 2007
24
RE: larry bird
Feb 06th 2007
31
KC Jones was THEE furthest thing from an "abusive coach"
Feb 06th 2007
32
      bobby knight
Feb 06th 2007
40
Bill Cartwright.
Feb 06th 2007
25
Mark Eaton?
Feb 06th 2007
26
I checked his wiki -- wasn't cut in college, he transferred
Feb 06th 2007
33
      yeah, he was dicovered fixin cars by his juco coach
Feb 06th 2007
41
           even back then, how does a 7-footer end up in a fuckin garage?
Feb 07th 2007
59
                i don't know, that's crazy
Feb 07th 2007
61
                he was shy about his height and didnt want to play basketball
Feb 07th 2007
63
                     RE: he was shy about his height and didnt want to play basketball
Feb 07th 2007
125
Stacey King
Feb 06th 2007
28
Ennis Whatley
Feb 06th 2007
30
"open and shut case, Johnson" (c) Chappelle
Feb 06th 2007
34
did he have a "life threatening injury"?
Feb 06th 2007
37
i don't remember it but this link says so..
Feb 06th 2007
38
^^^inspector Gaydget
Feb 06th 2007
51
      clever
Feb 06th 2007
56
it could be John Amaechi:
Feb 06th 2007
36
the odds are with him (vid evidence)
Feb 06th 2007
42
Damn, they really throw the word "superstar" around in the UK
Feb 06th 2007
57
How liberal is the use of the word "star"
Feb 06th 2007
39
didnt they call Esera Tuaolo a star when he came out?
Feb 06th 2007
44
why yall listing white people???
Feb 06th 2007
45
lol
Feb 06th 2007
46
David Robinson...don't ask don't tell
Feb 06th 2007
47
he WAS in the navy.... hmmmmmmm
Feb 06th 2007
48
      LOL - can we count the levels of wrongness w/ that post?
Feb 07th 2007
67
It's John Amaechi (swipe)
Feb 06th 2007
50
maybe thats why him and sloan didnt get along
Feb 06th 2007
52
already posted in reply #36
Feb 06th 2007
55
One of the 100 great Black Britons.
Feb 07th 2007
60
Paul Ince & Ian Wright, BLACKNESS!
Feb 07th 2007
103
ummmmm
Feb 07th 2007
172
Sidenote: rant on his I'm not athletic line
Feb 08th 2007
196
'Nother swipe
Feb 07th 2007
58
link...:
Feb 07th 2007
62
Looks like CSI:OKP won
Feb 07th 2007
65
Good for him.
Feb 07th 2007
64
Do you think this promotes any intelligent discourse
Feb 07th 2007
66
      why should they have to?
Feb 07th 2007
68
      because we live in the 21st century.
Feb 07th 2007
69
      Well, I'm on the whole 'it's not a choice' side of the deal...
Feb 07th 2007
71
           so women give head...some don't. some men prefer dick...some don't
Feb 07th 2007
72
           just because you choose to suck dick doesn't mean all gay men do
Feb 07th 2007
74
           uh of course they'll tell me....they're gay
Feb 07th 2007
76
                yeah, but did she fuck him outta love/lust?
Feb 07th 2007
80
                well duh...
Feb 07th 2007
81
                so?
Feb 07th 2007
82
           ^^^REAL TALK
Feb 07th 2007
75
                So you chose to be straight?
Feb 07th 2007
78
                     answer me this...
Feb 07th 2007
84
                          have you ever talked to a gay person about this 'choice'?
Feb 07th 2007
86
                          ^^^REAL TALK
Feb 07th 2007
89
                          i'll take a non-response as a 'no'
Feb 07th 2007
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                               it was a dumb question, what do you think they said?
Feb 07th 2007
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                                    so you looked them in the face
Feb 07th 2007
112
                                         having feelings and acting on them are 2 different things man...
Feb 07th 2007
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                                              thankfully
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                   what's the divorce rate for gay "marriages"?
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                   it doesn't matter
Feb 08th 2007
223
                                                        So you're talking out of your ass like usual? OK. n/m
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                             RIF, bigot.
Feb 08th 2007
225
                                                                  what about gay parents that get divorced?
Feb 08th 2007
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Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       You presented your weakly formed argument as if "loving gay parents"...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       Do you have stats to back that up?
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                       no worse than straight divorced
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       and I'm assuming you have some sort of statistics to back that up?
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       No. But you don't have any statistics saying it will be higher.
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       Thanks...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       So now your argument is that gays are more likely to divorce?
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       ^^^typical smutsboy tactic, trying to argue irrelevant details to divert...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       gays divorce at the same rate as straight people
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       do you have something to PROVE that other than just you saying it?
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       you mean the divorce rate?
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       ^^^still has yet to provide evidence to support his bogus argument
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       last time i had scientific proof
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       The only thing you presented to support your argument was the opinion...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       And the bigot bows out of the discussion
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       ^^^still has yet to prove a point
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       for what it's worth ....the first gay couple to ever get married
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                       There's no global warming, gay people r evil and the poor are lazy
Feb 08th 2007
237
                                                                       and gay child abusers dont exist right?????
Feb 08th 2007
325
                                                   wow.. thats one of the more twisted things ive read in a long time..
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                        you've said more twisted stuff yourself in this very thread
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                             from your POV perhaps..
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                  RE: from your POV perhaps..
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                  are you against evolution too?
Feb 09th 2007
355
                          But those are much different feelings
Feb 07th 2007
87
                          Homosexuality has been around almost since the beginning of time...
Feb 07th 2007
88
                               and black people were known to be dumber than white people
Feb 07th 2007
90
                               I knew that would be the typical response, of course we know all...
Feb 07th 2007
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                                    two consenting adults.
Feb 07th 2007
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                                    what about incest between "two consenting adults"? Is that OK too?
Feb 07th 2007
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                                         i knew he wouldn't have an answer
Feb 08th 2007
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                                              he didn't answer because it's trivial
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    RE: I knew that would be the typical response, of course we know all...
Feb 07th 2007
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                               you're truly a moron.
Feb 07th 2007
91
                               Captain Obvious Says . . .
Feb 07th 2007
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                               what about incest? that's "2 consenting adults"? Should a brother and...
Feb 07th 2007
111
                                    there's no similarity whatsoever
Feb 07th 2007
116
                                         OK, so what if they use birth control, or if one can't reproduce?
Feb 07th 2007
117
                                              you mean have the government enforce birth control?
Feb 07th 2007
124
                                                   no I mean if 2 siblings can't physically reproduce but still want to mar...
Feb 07th 2007
126
                                                        why does gay marriage allow for incest...
Feb 07th 2007
133
                                                             that's a great fuckin quote
Feb 07th 2007
134
                                                             what do you expect, it came from a fag.
Feb 07th 2007
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                                                                  LLLLLLLL
Feb 07th 2007
152
                                                                  I was talking about Sullivan, was he not?
Feb 07th 2007
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                                                                  ummm.
Feb 07th 2007
163
                                                                  Well wasn't he?
Feb 07th 2007
165
                                                                  Sullivan quote = well spoken
Feb 07th 2007
167
                                                                  That's what they refer to themselves as! Isn't that what you guys say...
Feb 07th 2007
169
                                                                  i'm happy to talk about your bigotry another time
Feb 07th 2007
171
                                                                  what's there to respond to? Its just some gay guy's twisted opinion.
Feb 08th 2007
209
                                                                  The 'slippery-slope' argument lost
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                             still ducking the question. I got another. What's a "consenting adult"?
Feb 07th 2007
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                                                                  until you explain the relevance to gay marriage
Feb 07th 2007
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                               log off
Feb 07th 2007
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                               for 99.9% of human history slavery was generally accepted
Feb 07th 2007
100
                               ^^there are 5 bleeding heart liberal white bols on top of me^^
Feb 07th 2007
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                               ^^^ aggressive bottom.
Feb 07th 2007
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                               Highly underrated reply
Feb 15th 2007
484
                                    pure hilarity
Feb 15th 2007
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                               RE: ^^there are 5 bleeding heart liberal white bols on top of me^^
Feb 07th 2007
113
                               and a person's RACE is not based on "feelings" so for the millionth...
Feb 07th 2007
143
                               Wrong
Feb 08th 2007
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                          I'm curious as to how true this actually is
Feb 07th 2007
146
                          and like I said, people "feel" a lot of different things, some "feel"...
Feb 07th 2007
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                               it seems to me you should be the one defining "consenting adults"
Feb 07th 2007
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                               the point is that there are multiple definitions for a consenting adult....
Feb 07th 2007
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                                    so i guess we need to outlaw heterosexual marraige
Feb 07th 2007
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                               Right, and we can play the hypothetical game all day
Feb 07th 2007
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                               Quit playing the race card, you don't CHOOSE your race, you can't be one...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    You have absolutely no way of knowing this
Feb 08th 2007
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                                         There are plenty of gay people who have said at some point they were...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                              I'm honestly not following you here
Feb 08th 2007
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                               Fuck it, I'm not done
Feb 07th 2007
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                          RE: answer me this...
Feb 08th 2007
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           THAT QUEER SHIT IS A CHOICE
Feb 07th 2007
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           lol.
Feb 07th 2007
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           There's Plenty of Scientific Studies to Discredit the Born Theory
Feb 07th 2007
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                hmmm
Feb 07th 2007
161
                LOL!!!!
Feb 08th 2007
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                ^^^ Also Thinks There's Scientific Studies to Discredit the Moon Landing
Feb 08th 2007
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           ^^^^ CHOSE TO BE STRAIGHT DESPITE OVERWHELMING URGE TO FUCK MEN
Feb 07th 2007
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                SHERYL SWOOPS MADE A CHOICE TO BE A QUEER
Feb 07th 2007
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                     AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO, DESPITE YOUR LONGING FOR A MAN'S DICK IN YOUR ASS
Feb 07th 2007
150
                     this is exactly why people call u a fag dude...
Feb 07th 2007
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                          that was presenting it in an intelligent manner?
Feb 07th 2007
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                               obviously ur as incapable of intellegent discussion...
Feb 07th 2007
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                                    Co-Sign
Feb 08th 2007
211
                                         lol @ "scientific evidence"
Feb 08th 2007
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                                         HERE'S ANOTHER SCIENTIFIC STUDY BY YALE PROF.
Feb 14th 2007
470
                                         do gay animals choose to be gay too?
Feb 08th 2007
312
                                              ANOTHER CRACKA MYTH
Feb 14th 2007
466
                     And I could provide at least one example of someone....
Feb 07th 2007
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           I dont give a fuck if it's a choice or not
Feb 09th 2007
368
      how will coward closet fags coming out 5 yrs too late promote change?
Feb 07th 2007
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           that's one of the other things I'm wondering, actually
Feb 07th 2007
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                it's a slow-building process
Feb 07th 2007
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                     very true
Feb 07th 2007
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                          That will be a good day.
Feb 07th 2007
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I know dude.
Feb 07th 2007
85
The amount of ignorance and homophobia in this post is stunning.
Feb 07th 2007
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Discouraging? Yes. Stunning? Not really.
Feb 07th 2007
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jesus wept
Feb 07th 2007
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^IRONY.
Feb 08th 2007
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      ^^^Even greater irony
Feb 15th 2007
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ain't that tha truth.
Feb 07th 2007
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lol
Feb 07th 2007
102
Truth is a known idiot. Is it anyone else?
Feb 07th 2007
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*cough* v v v
Feb 07th 2007
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and you're known for admitting to having issues with your sexual identit...
Feb 07th 2007
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      and you're known for thinking that matters, and repressing your own issu...
Feb 07th 2007
132
What ignorance are you talking about?
Feb 07th 2007
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^^This ignorance^^
Feb 07th 2007
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Come Out the Closet and Identify the Ignorance You Speak Of
Feb 07th 2007
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that's the standard response everytime they LOSE this argument.
Feb 07th 2007
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opposing homosexuality = ignorance and homophobia
Feb 07th 2007
108
^^And this.^^^
Feb 07th 2007
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o i must submit to the homo mafia
Feb 07th 2007
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      right, we must "respect" their right to be gay but they can't respect...
Feb 07th 2007
127
      ^^^ Amaechis about TO all the time
Feb 07th 2007
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^^^REAL TALK
Feb 07th 2007
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      That's a ridiculously ridiculous argument. *foh*
Feb 07th 2007
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           ^^^Underrated Response^^^
Feb 15th 2007
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did you really expect anything else?
Feb 07th 2007
120
^^^^the gay comic
Feb 07th 2007
122
No more than you and your stance on Religion.
Feb 07th 2007
139
poor comparison
Feb 07th 2007
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      not really
Feb 07th 2007
147
      religion deserves some disdain
Feb 07th 2007
149
          
Feb 07th 2007
153
                since when did Inkast turn gay?
Feb 07th 2007
154
                     I'm going from being disgusted to laughing out loud in this post.
Feb 07th 2007
157
      that comment is condescending and just plain weird.
Feb 08th 2007
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           ummmm... naw
Feb 08th 2007
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                nope, we just have differing opinions.
Feb 09th 2007
425
Welcome to OKP...I don't even bother arguing anything like this...
Feb 07th 2007
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      You forgot religion
Feb 07th 2007
182
           Or dipset.
Feb 07th 2007
185
John Amaechi huh
Feb 07th 2007
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pun intended?
Feb 07th 2007
129
to the more homohobic in here...
Feb 07th 2007
156
cute, the "you must be gay, too!" argument. I'm suprised it took 150+
Feb 07th 2007
162
But in all honesty is it any more ridiculous than the...
Feb 08th 2007
234
      I haven't done that, I can't speak for others. n/m
Feb 08th 2007
247
thats often a gay persons way of spinning someone esles actual view...
Feb 07th 2007
175
other than the christian coalition dude
Feb 08th 2007
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^^^^ 2 responses above me = ted haggard jr. + sr.
Feb 07th 2007
177
      since ur a gay activist why not reply w/actual discussion...
Feb 07th 2007
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           okay
Feb 07th 2007
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                the answer is easy ... men & women naturally belong together...
Feb 07th 2007
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                     Well, I'm convinced.
Feb 08th 2007
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                     So the ability to make babies determines whether two people can marry?
Feb 08th 2007
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                     okay
Feb 08th 2007
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                     your slick talk isnt cute.. neither is ur lack of debate skills...
Feb 08th 2007
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                          okay pt. 3
Feb 08th 2007
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                          reading is something you may want to brush up on...
Feb 08th 2007
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                               see, this is why i normally don't bother to engage in a real discussion
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    okay.. thats easy
Feb 09th 2007
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                          So what other UNNATURAL things are you against?
Feb 08th 2007
                          ur comparing soda and hair dye to creating/raising a child??? smh
Feb 08th 2007
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                               It's YOUR ridiculous argument that I'm using
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    flip thru this post.. ive answered this a few time already..
Feb 09th 2007
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                          huh?
Feb 08th 2007
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                     Dog, not everyone has babies. theres no law that says you have
Feb 08th 2007
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                          umm.. since the beginning of time thats the goal of every life form...
Feb 08th 2007
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                               What the fuck
Feb 08th 2007
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                               dude.. get real...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    You're still ducking your very own argument
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    but its YOU missing my points yet again... FOR THE LAST TIME!!!
Feb 09th 2007
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                                         No, I see those points
Feb 09th 2007
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                                         You can't win with the Knicks in 2K7
Feb 09th 2007
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                                              Uh incest and gay marriage are 2 different things. *SMH*
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                   smh@ u comparing REAL marrage to gay marrage...
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                        But in your opinion the only REAL marriages are ones that produce kids
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                        so gay people aren't "real" people now? Man you're a tard.
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                             im a retard yet ur the one taking a big dick in yr ass...
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                  7th grade called, they want their humor back.
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                  sez the guy throwin out "tard" insults
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                       oh gawd. I call em like I see em.
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                            Naw I feel ya. Just had to call you out on it tho.
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                                  LOL. That shit was funny
Feb 15th 2007
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                                    don't get it
Feb 09th 2007
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                                    Let's talk insects and infertile humans
Feb 15th 2007
486
                                         Yeah, his whole "life is all about procreation" argument is ridiculous.
Feb 15th 2007
490
                                              Foolish...
Feb 21st 2007
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                                                   RE: Foolish...
Feb 21st 2007
549
                               I know a lotta straight couples that dont have kids
Feb 09th 2007
384
                               Well, I fuck women and am scared as hell that they might reproduce
Feb 09th 2007
434
                               WTH???
Feb 12th 2007
450
                               CO-SIGN
Feb 27th 2007
578
This whole post is on some GD type shit.
Feb 07th 2007
170
ya think?
Feb 07th 2007
174
WHO BE EATIN COOKIES?
Feb 07th 2007
184
I never chose to be straight - I just AM
Feb 07th 2007
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^^^REAL TALK
Feb 07th 2007
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The truth. n/m
Feb 07th 2007
189
There's a very prominent poster on this board who has stated more...
Feb 08th 2007
217
      none of that refutes the point
Feb 08th 2007
251
           So if you can dismiss all those individuals as being "confused"...
Feb 08th 2007
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                a few confused people does not mean everyone gay is confused
Feb 08th 2007
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                     So are you conceding that SOME gay people are confused? That not...
Feb 08th 2007
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                          You can be born gay and still be confused
Feb 08th 2007
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                               RE: You can be born gay and still be confused
Feb 08th 2007
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                               no more than you've interviewed straight people about their "choice"
Feb 08th 2007
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                               Both sides keep talkin like they know something
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    Exactly, gay rights people spout the "born gay" theory as if it has been...
Feb 08th 2007
278
                                         You can't scientifically prove that you're straight, either.
Feb 08th 2007
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                                              Let me try and answer for him
Feb 08th 2007
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S Dot says: As long as you don't bring your gayness on me I'm fine
Feb 07th 2007
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S Dot: Always thinkin about gettin paper
Feb 07th 2007
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How was he a 'star?'
Feb 07th 2007
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the worst part about this thread is
Feb 08th 2007
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People can believe whatever they want. Who are you to judge
Feb 08th 2007
201
Man, this is utter horseshit.
Feb 08th 2007
205
that's you. I think there is an appropriate time or place for it.
Feb 09th 2007
362
      Do you know what murder means?
Feb 09th 2007
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So there is no absolute right or wrong then
Feb 08th 2007
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      Believe what u want. NOTHING on earth is that simple. nada
Feb 09th 2007
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           You basically said there is no absolute right or wrong.
Feb 09th 2007
369
                If there wasn't rape, the human race wouldn't exist.
Feb 09th 2007
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                     what the hell are you talking about?
Feb 09th 2007
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FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME, homosexuality and race are two...
Feb 08th 2007
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      ^^^^ excels at abstract thinking
Feb 08th 2007
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           I was BORN black, there's no need for a scientific study or debate...
Feb 08th 2007
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                so if there were conclusive proof gays were born that way...
Feb 08th 2007
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                That's just the point, there IS no conclusive proof.
Feb 08th 2007
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                You didn't answer the question though.
Feb 08th 2007
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                     It's a baseless question.
Feb 08th 2007
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                          What makes it baseless?
Feb 08th 2007
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                               You haven't heard me state once that I hate gays.
Feb 08th 2007
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                                    If you don't think gays should have equal rights...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                         I don't think crackheads should be allowed to smoke crack. I don't like....
Feb 08th 2007
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                                              Not a good argument
Feb 08th 2007
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                                              RE: Not a good argument
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                   Blacks are infected at an alarmingly higher rate than whites
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                   In this country maybe. Probably not in Africa.
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                        It IS scientifically proven that HIV transmitted more easily through...
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                             It also transmits easier for hetero anal sex
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                             I would really like to see that study
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                  he's right
Feb 08th 2007
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                                                                  its discussed to some extent here...:
Feb 09th 2007
404
                                              So gay people are like crackheads, now?
Feb 08th 2007
285
                It prolly wouldnt end there
Feb 08th 2007
231
                So people only deserve equal rights based on the way they were born?
Feb 08th 2007
259
Uh, what the hell happened in this post
Feb 08th 2007
229
This happens occasionally in sports, for example....
Feb 08th 2007
232
      No, I know it happens and I usually avoid it
Feb 08th 2007
233
           people who equate homosexuality with incest get me fired up
Feb 08th 2007
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           I guess
Feb 08th 2007
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           I don't know, I think it's interesting
Feb 08th 2007
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                Yea, I guess
Feb 08th 2007
246
                     This is so true, even in real life
Feb 08th 2007
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.
Feb 08th 2007
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This is always something that puzzles me
Feb 08th 2007
250
      I'll tell you from both sides
Feb 08th 2007
253
      I for one don't care if it's a choice or not
Feb 08th 2007
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           This is how folks should think
Feb 08th 2007
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      Who a person chooses to have sex with is between them the other...
Feb 08th 2007
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           hmmm
Feb 08th 2007
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           Well, I don't find Goth people to be normal
Feb 08th 2007
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           RE: Who a person chooses to have sex with is between them the other...
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           Normal
Feb 08th 2007
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I don't know why anybody is SURPRISED he's gay!
Feb 08th 2007
248
Earl Grey tea is gay?
Feb 08th 2007
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RE: Earl Grey tea is gay?
Feb 08th 2007
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      It's definitely odd, but I don't really think of it as gay.
Feb 08th 2007
334
That's not gay, that's British
Feb 08th 2007
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      lol
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      *dead*
Feb 09th 2007
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Truth, you should switch out your Steven Hunter quote with this one:
Feb 08th 2007
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No phobo
Feb 08th 2007
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who cares
Feb 08th 2007
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biology
Feb 08th 2007
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But why even do this?
Feb 08th 2007
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      Damn, I didnt even read this b4 I posted it
Feb 08th 2007
311
      you're addressing strawmen
Feb 08th 2007
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      Naw I didnt read it
Feb 08th 2007
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           then i'll summarize both articles for you
Feb 08th 2007
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                Yo, this shit is pretty interesting
Feb 08th 2007
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                     RE: Yo, this shit is pretty interesting
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                          gene + environment interaction
Feb 08th 2007
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                               RE: gene + environment interaction
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                                    exactly, i was agreeing with you
Feb 08th 2007
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      most of their agenda is based on the HYPOTHETICAL THEORY...
Feb 09th 2007
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           there is scientific evidence for it
Feb 09th 2007
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           scientific PROOF and scientific "evidence" are NOT the same thing.
Feb 09th 2007
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                RE: scientific PROOF and scientific "evidence" are NOT the same thing.
Feb 09th 2007
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                No kidding. I never said evidence = proof.
Feb 09th 2007
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                     No, but you implied it and for the record I don't remember choosing...
Feb 09th 2007
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                          I don't think hardly anyone remembers choosing (gay or straight)
Feb 09th 2007
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                               RE: I don't think hardly anyone remembers choosing (gay or straight)
Feb 09th 2007
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                                    RE: I don't think hardly anyone remembers choosing (gay or straight)
Feb 09th 2007
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                                         RE: I don't think hardly anyone remembers choosing (gay or straight)
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                                              mental illness is not = mental retardation
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                   that's the debate...:
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                                                        Oh, okay.
Feb 09th 2007
399
           I mean, does it even really matter?
Feb 09th 2007
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           Do you think two brothers should be allowed to get married?
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                no, and neither should a brother and sister.
Feb 09th 2007
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                Why not as long at they are "two consenting adults"? Its not like two...
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                     IMO the ban on incest is NOT about preventing retardation
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                I already addressed this
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                     A simple "yes" or "no" answer will suffice.
Feb 09th 2007
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                          Ok, I guess we are done here
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                               Thanks for playing. n/m
Feb 09th 2007
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                                    lol @ you being proud of yourself
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                                         and lol@you for never directly answering a very simple question.
Feb 09th 2007
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                                              Are you serious? Man somethings missing in your brain
Feb 09th 2007
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                                                   ^^^didn't answer the question either
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                                                        ok dude, how do 2 brothers = 2 gay people?
Feb 14th 2007
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                                                             ^^^STILL ducking the question! LOL!
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                  ^^^Still won't answer the question that will shut his dumb ass up
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                       as long as its "2 consenting adults" it shouldn't matter, right?
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                            believe or not "gayness" is accepted by more people
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                                                                                 no shit sherlock, but why is incest "between 2 consenting adults"...
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                                                                                      god you're really dumb aren't you?
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                                                                                      ^^^STILL NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                                      ya youre right, legalizing gay marriage would just lead to incest
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                                                                                      all you have to do is say "yes" or "no"
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                                                                                      Dog seriously I dont know anyone that believes incest is right
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                                      I guess you don't know any Amish people
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                                      How bout this - no one who doesn't practice it thinks it's okay.
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                                      Interesting article on incest
Feb 15th 2007
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                                                                                      can you honestly say you don't see parallels between this and homo-...
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                                                                                      No, I don't see parallels. Not sure what you're getting at.
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                                                                                      believe it or not, a large part of people's sexual identity is formed...
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                                                                                      there's nothing inherently wrong with dolls
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                                                                                      you need to take off the rose-colored rainbow glasses and wake up...
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                                                                                      Those are examples of abuse. That's different.
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                                                                                      you're still COPPING PLEAS. Sexual preference aside...
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                                                                                      Pleas? You have NO evidence or support for your theories.
Feb 19th 2007
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                                                                                      actually you're proving my point, there are enough bad parent...
Feb 19th 2007
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                                                                                      Missed the point
Feb 19th 2007
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                                                                                      one more thing
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                                                                                      and were you raised by a "loving gay couple"? If not, how can you...
Feb 19th 2007
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                                                                                      works both ways
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                                                                                      the goes back to my original point in post #358, the entire gay agenda.....
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                                                                                      bullshit
Feb 19th 2007
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                                                                                      ok for the BILLIONTH time, homosexuality and race are NOT the same!
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                                                                                      How are they different?
Feb 20th 2007
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                                                                                      You can't CHOOSE your race. You can't switch back and forth between...
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                                                                                      So to you, it all comes down to choice.
Feb 21st 2007
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                                                                                      Ok, so what you're basically saying in all this is...
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                                                                                      you've got part of it
Feb 21st 2007
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                                                                                      actually this happens all the time, mainly by people that support your.....
Feb 22nd 2007
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                                                                                      that's not even remotely true
Feb 22nd 2007
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                                                                                      and I'm assuming you have some sort of evidence of this?
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                                                                                      Evidence for what, exactly?
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                                                                                      You can't put all Christians in the same boat just like you say we can't...
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                                                                                      I didn't put all Christians in the same boat
Feb 26th 2007
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                                                                                      This seems to be a recurring theme in all of your posts...
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                                                                                      You haven't proved a goddamn thing, so what's your point?
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                                                                                      the whole gay agenda is based on "feelings", not scientific PROOF...
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                                                                                      the whole ANTI-gay agenda is based on "feelings", not scientific PROOF.....
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                                                                                      do you realize that most gay people fall into that category too?
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                                                                                      I don't know if I agree with that.
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                                                                                      if you wanna debate in a serious manner, then tell me
Feb 15th 2007
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           Shit do you even know any gay people?
Feb 09th 2007
386
Wait, the only reason we're here is to make babies? lol.
Feb 08th 2007
319
We're here to do whatever we want then?
Feb 09th 2007
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      I'm not going to tell you the meaning of life
Feb 09th 2007
352
      well we have freedoms right? I never remember any laws saying
Feb 09th 2007
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      Playing devil's advocate. Then what stops siblings marriying?
Feb 09th 2007
443
           Oh god little kid, are you serious?
Feb 09th 2007
445
                What's the difference
Feb 15th 2007
509
                     you've displayed your ignorance
Feb 16th 2007
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                          not such a jump as u make think...
Feb 21st 2007
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                               Yes, it really is a huge jump.
Feb 21st 2007
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                               when did you drop out of school?
Feb 22nd 2007
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                               What they don't understand
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                                    And that's fucked up IMO
Feb 27th 2007
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                                         and like you said, that's YOUR opinion, why can't we have ours?
Feb 27th 2007
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                                              You can.
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                   so should people that practice incest get equal rights as long as...
Feb 27th 2007
566
                                                        Incest is inherently coercive, and potentially abusive
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                        no more so than homosexuality.
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                             How is homosexuality any more coercive/abusive than heterosexuality?
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                                  why do you have to put all the qualifiers in there for homosexuality?
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                                  They're still related.
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                                       I find the above scenario equally as repulsive as two adult men in a...
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                                            Fine, so explain to me how your definition prevents that from happening.
Feb 27th 2007
579
                                                                            what part of "equally as repulsive" do you not understand?
Mar 02nd 2007
583
                                                                            But I keep asking you to define "acceptable sex" and you won't.
Mar 02nd 2007
585
                                                                            you're trying to argue semantics now, bottom line, homosexuality...
Mar 05th 2007
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                                                                            How is it semantics? I just want your definition.
Mar 05th 2007
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                                                                            Intercourse between a man and woman who aren't related.
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                                                                            Cool, thanks.
Mar 05th 2007
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                                                                            nobody said homosexuality leads directly to incest, genius...
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                                                                            the point stands
Mar 06th 2007
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                                                                            Keep living in your dream world.
Mar 06th 2007
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                                                                            And what about two women? Is it just gay men that bother you?
Feb 27th 2007
581
                                                                  define what the act of sex is
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                                       How old are we? I think we all know what sex is.
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                        Define for me what you believe is acceptable sexual relations.
Feb 27th 2007
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                                                             Still waiting
Mar 01st 2007
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      Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness
Feb 09th 2007
392
big up Amaechi. n/m
Feb 08th 2007
322
for what it's worth, *race* and *sexuality* are both "man made"
Feb 08th 2007
324
worst thread ever
Feb 08th 2007
331
What, pray tell, were you expecting?
Feb 08th 2007
332
Pretty much.
Feb 09th 2007
342
As far as I know, no one was forced to click on or reply to this post.
Feb 09th 2007
360
      WRONG! you were BORN with this post.. it wasnt a choice!!
Feb 09th 2007
391
           that's great
Feb 09th 2007
395
           RE: that's great
Feb 09th 2007
405
                RE: that's great
Feb 09th 2007
420
                     I would love to see those questions answered DIRECTLY
Feb 09th 2007
422
                          lol. good luck.
Feb 09th 2007
427
                          PLEASE do not archive this post, no matter what anyone says
Feb 09th 2007
439
                               This post HAS TO BE archived.
Feb 12th 2007
452
                          Me too.
Feb 14th 2007
459
           are you serious?
Feb 09th 2007
411
                I know, right?
Feb 09th 2007
423
I guess I'll stay out of this post so I won't be called a bigot
Feb 09th 2007
348
SPEAK YOUR MIND
Feb 14th 2007
465
Wow, a post about homosexuality on a sports board went wrong?
Feb 09th 2007
353
lol@all the same "straight" posters who show up in every single gay post
Feb 09th 2007
357
You might be a hypocrite if:
Feb 09th 2007
379
ether
Feb 09th 2007
382
you might be a closed minded if you believe...
Feb 09th 2007
394
I'm not trying to convince you to marry a guy
Feb 09th 2007
398
      LMAO @ comparing my view with the KKK or nazis...
Feb 09th 2007
403
      LMFAO @ you dodging questions!
Feb 09th 2007
410
      After reading all of the points you have made...
Feb 09th 2007
409
           What the fuck dude?
Feb 09th 2007
419
                lol, it might be time to give up on this post for real
Feb 09th 2007
424
                     I was just about to ask whether that was a joke or not
Feb 09th 2007
428
^^^ underrated reply
Feb 10th 2007
446
*SMH at all the ignorance in this thread*
Feb 09th 2007
389
post jack: what's the over/under on the final reply count? 500?
Feb 09th 2007
406
I'm going for gold.
Feb 09th 2007
408
      Don't sell yourselves short
Feb 10th 2007
447
           it seems to be losing steam though...
Feb 11th 2007
448
" Whats next? Gay Snakes marrying Gay Snakes?"
Feb 09th 2007
413
Why are you slandering people
Feb 09th 2007
418
Haven't read this yet, but I will.
Feb 09th 2007
430
interesting but doesn't seem like good research to me
Feb 09th 2007
431
nice alias. lol.
Feb 09th 2007
436
slandering people? huh? have you been reading this nonsense?
Feb 09th 2007
437
lol, nice alias.
Feb 12th 2007
453
as long as its not on str8 planes I'm cool w/ that
Feb 09th 2007
438
homosexuality is not in accordance with the theory of evolution
Feb 09th 2007
414
Evolution ended a while ago in humans homie.
Feb 09th 2007
415
uh no
Feb 09th 2007
416
      500 yrs ago? that was a long time ago,
Feb 09th 2007
417
           LOL
Feb 14th 2007
461
                so humans are evolving right?
Feb 14th 2007
468
                     wow.
Feb 14th 2007
473
                          oh god, you really need to get your head out the clouds
Feb 14th 2007
480
Is this your reason for opposing gay marriage then?
Feb 09th 2007
421
Skinny ass women aren't in accordance either
Feb 09th 2007
432
RE: "gay animals"
Feb 12th 2007
454
see # 306... but worth mentioning twice. :)
Feb 12th 2007
455
Some people are born with 2 heads, 8 fingers, etc
Feb 12th 2007
457
      At least that concedes they're born with it *
Feb 12th 2007
458
           .........
Feb 14th 2007
474
                totally different
Feb 14th 2007
475
                     So in that sense you're saying they're both natural?
Feb 14th 2007
476
                          Are you asking if being gay and being straight are both natural?
Feb 14th 2007
477
                               See,
Feb 14th 2007
478
                                    I addressed that somewhere
Feb 14th 2007
479
someone didn't read post 306
Feb 14th 2007
471
I'm snitchin simply because someone had to
Feb 09th 2007
444
PETITION TO *NOT* ARCHIVE THIS POAST
Feb 12th 2007
456
L
Feb 19th 2007
539
Can't y'all just agree to disagree?
Feb 14th 2007
460
^^^^ Bigot
Feb 14th 2007
463
let's try a little unity through this:
Feb 14th 2007
462
Yeah, that title is pure comedy of nasty proportions
Feb 14th 2007
472
this post is gay
Feb 14th 2007
469
Basketball is a ghey sport
Feb 14th 2007
481
Tim Hardaway reads this thread
Feb 14th 2007
482
That was something
Feb 14th 2007
483
Largest collective L in OKP history?
Feb 15th 2007
488
You don't think there's any value in discussion?
Feb 15th 2007
489
      Obviously we can't speak for the lurkers
Feb 16th 2007
525
247 replies to go
Feb 15th 2007
500
dammit, I wanted to make the 500th post!
Feb 15th 2007
501
      Technically someone else did
Feb 15th 2007
505
      what do i win?!
Feb 15th 2007
506
      Yeah, me too.
Feb 15th 2007
507
           his post was gay and could not produce a number, I think the mod...
Feb 15th 2007
510
                HiKwelitys post was born/created without a number ... it didnt choose.
Feb 15th 2007
512
                     lots of dumb shit in here..
Feb 15th 2007
513
you could've just told me he played for panathenaikos in greece
Feb 15th 2007
514
man Tha Truth and SP1200 are real numbnuts
Feb 15th 2007
519
Almost 2 weeks later and his is still on the first page...smh.
Feb 19th 2007
529
People are Mad. It's funny though...there's alot of twisted logic...
Feb 19th 2007
534
No one called it back then: (ThaTruths 1st GAY POST)
Feb 20th 2007
541
*consults post's family on bereavement options*
Feb 21st 2007
544
smutsboy, kill this fucking thread!
Mar 02nd 2007
584
why? Is there a gun to your head forcing you to click on this post?
Mar 05th 2007
587
      I'm trying to but it's stuck on the first page
Mar 05th 2007
591
           I CHOOSE not to click on 70% of the posts on this board...
Mar 06th 2007
592
                I'm not even being serious right now.
Mar 06th 2007
594
For all the hubbub surrounding this book....
Mar 07th 2007
597
It would be a more interesting book if he came out while he was playing
Mar 08th 2007
598
600
Mar 08th 2007
599
I guess we're done here. Archive.
Mar 13th 2007
600
basa was here....archive
Mar 13th 2007
601

Buck
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1. "Kevin Willis"
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168. "for the record, ^^^underrated reply. i lol'd. n/m"
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********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

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Cenario
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2. "A.C. Green"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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356. "lol. No such thing as a rich 40 year old virgin straight man"
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That's a damn cover.

  

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ThaTruth
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359. "Isn't he married now?"
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________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

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442. "lol, word?"
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ThaTruth
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449. "RE: lol, word?"
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"Green was married to Veronique Green on April 20, 2002"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.C._Green

I thought this part was also funny:
"On his homepage, he states that the initials in his name do not stand for anything. His given name is simply 'A.C.'"

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
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3. "take this shit elsewhere"
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it has nothing to do with sports ...seriously, lets focus on sports ...that is what this board is for.

Take that shit to GD and let them have fun with it

  

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Buck
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5. "^^^^David Stern's alias"
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all stah
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6. "cmon, man ...seriously"
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who gives a fuck ...let's talk about numbers, teams, history....A heterosexual talking about gay shit is gay...get it?



  

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8. "Maybe Truth's coming out of the closet. This might be some heavy"
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ish for him. We should be as supportive as possible, for I'm sure this is a sensitive time for him.

  

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10. "Hilarity at its finest"
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9. "Wait, we talk about sports on here? Shut your homophobic ass up"
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>it has nothing to do with sports ...seriously, lets focus on
>sports ...that is what this board is for.

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HOPE!
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all stah
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12. "celery77??"
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yeah, you're gay: 2 bagels with no cream cheese

lol

  

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13. "stah?? Yeah, you're dumb"
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HOPE!
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49. "^^^GAYER THAN A MUHFUCKER^^^"
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4. "Brian Haig"
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7. "Oh god I hope it's Ostertag"
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11. "lol"
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23. "lol, me too"
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29. "nah, it';s gotta be Big Country"
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although Osterfag would make sense too

yep.

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35. ""jet-setting NBA star""
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If that turns out to be Ostertag... he's got some bold fucking PR people

  

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53. "LOL @ Ostertag"
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and double LOL @ the time Z got in a fight with him

  

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Isn't this the dude that plays for Campbell, or some small ass school like that?



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15. "Oliver Miller"
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<<<---...and a child shall lead them.
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22. "Would give disturbing new meaning to The Big O"
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16. "why is this coming out AFTER NBA Allstar Weekend?! lol"
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<<<---...and a child shall lead them.
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17. "Pervis Ellison"
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Which would suck for Chauncey Billups.

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19. "umm...Pervis was one of the best college freshman of all time"
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<<<---...and a child shall lead them.
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43. "I missed that part when I posted this. John Amaechi?"
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nm

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54. "already posted in #36"
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<<<---...and a child shall lead them.
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18. "Sean Elliot"
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20. "None of these people named were cut from thier college teams"
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I hate to go w/ the obvious choice but Rodman had an uninspierd college career.

Scottie too, but he was a ball boy, he didn't get cut I don't think.

But those mid-90's bulls were famous for their man-on-man lockeroom orgies, so it could be any one of them.

  

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27. "^^^MJ and Co. Sonned his favorite team ...constantly"
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21. "karl malone"
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that would be some wild shit. kevin johnson would be an eas guess but it could be him

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24. "larry bird"
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he left indiana after his freshman year

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31. "RE: larry bird"
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>he left indiana after his freshman year

Yeah but he didn't get cut, he left because he was homesick...

  

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32. "KC Jones was THEE furthest thing from an "abusive coach""
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<<<---...and a child shall lead them.
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40. "bobby knight"
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25. "Bill Cartwright."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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26. "Mark Eaton?"
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he IS having a movie made about him shortly...

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

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33. "I checked his wiki -- wasn't cut in college, he transferred"
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41. "yeah, he was dicovered fixin cars by his juco coach"
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59. "even back then, how does a 7-footer end up in a fuckin garage?"
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FREE CHAI VANG!

YOU'VE READ MY FILE NIGGA (c) Jack 'Mufuckin' Bauer

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61. "i don't know, that's crazy"
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63. "he was shy about his height and didnt want to play basketball"
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in high school he was on the water polo team.

if i was the HS coach though, i'd have been camped outside his locker every fucking day.

*Jews you*

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125. "RE: he was shy about his height and didnt want to play basketball"
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>in high school he was on the water polo team.
>
>if i was the HS coach though, i'd have been camped outside his
>locker every fucking day.


if i was the coach i would have paid him and got him pussy. shit, 7'4 and atheletic not playing for my team.

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28. "Stacey King"
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gotta be.

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30. "Ennis Whatley"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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34. ""open and shut case, Johnson" (c) Chappelle"
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Didn't T-Mac come out like 3 years ago and say he played with a gay dude on the Magic and everyone assumed it was Penny

googled the book's subject and a few messageboards all point to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Amaechi


lol John Amaechi a "star"

I guess in England he's an NBA star

but yeah...

overweight child
raised by mother
cut from college team (transferred from Vandy to PSU)
life threatening injury

it all checks out





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37. "did he have a "life threatening injury"?"
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38. "i don't remember it but this link says so.."
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http://www.jla.co.uk/ArtistsIndex/Artists/1/AmaechiJohn1.asp?Letter=

also this article sealed the deal IMO
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCJ/is_3_28/ai_68362617/pg_1


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51. "^^^inspector Gaydget"
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56. "clever"
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maybe you could use some of that for some f'n power rankings


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36. "it could be John Amaechi:"
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From John Amaechi's biography: The son of a Nigerian father, he was raised in Stockport, England by his English mother. Amaechi moved to the U.S. to play high school basketball at St. John's High School in Toledo, Ohio. He began playing college basketball at Vanderbilt but transferred to Penn State where he was a two-time First Team Academic All-American selection.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.100greatblackbritons.com/images/smiling_meech.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.100greatblackbritons.com/bios/john_amaechi.htm&h=150&w=148&sz=7&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=lEN4gaNOFWJZ7M:&tbnh=96&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJohn%2BAmaechi%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

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42. "the odds are with him (vid evidence)"
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----> http://www.meech.org/video.htm

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57. "Damn, they really throw the word "superstar" around in the UK"
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with no hesitation apparently

  

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39. "How liberal is the use of the word "star""
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All star? Well known? regular starter? or just anyone who made it into the NBA who loves men?

  

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44. "didnt they call Esera Tuaolo a star when he came out?"
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*Jews you*

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45. "why yall listing white people???"
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you gay-racists.

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46. "lol"
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<<<Alando Tucker for Player of the Year

  

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47. "David Robinson...don't ask don't tell"
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<<<Alando Tucker for Player of the Year

  

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48. "he WAS in the navy.... hmmmmmmm"
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*Jews you*

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67. "LOL - can we count the levels of wrongness w/ that post?"
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50. "It's John Amaechi (swipe)"
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Revenge of the Nerd - multi-talented John Amaechi of the Orlando Magic

Basketball Digest, Jan, 2001 by Tim Povtak

Erudite Orlando center John Amaechi relishes his standing as the most unique player in the NBA

HE CARRIES A LAPTOP COMPUTER almost everywhere he goes, updating his Web site regularly. He reads books on child psychology. He visits art galleries and museums. He looks for seminars to attend when his team has an off-day on the road. He writes poetry--and he writes it well.

Yes, John Amaechi plays basketball in the NBA, but he isn't really a basketball player. He is a Renaissance Man. The Orlando Magic have uncovered a real breath of fresh air.

Amaechi is bidding to become one of the better centers in the Eastern Conference this season, yet basketball actually bores him. He would rather be talking French with Atlanta Hawks center Dikembe Mutombo than talking trash with Detroit Pistons center Eric Montross.

He would rather be sipping tea in his favorite coffee shop than scouting one of his rivals on television. His life is too short to be consumed by a game. There is little passion to his play, but a wonderful love for his life.

"Basketball does not define me," he says. "It's my occupation for now, but it's not my definition."

Raised in Manchester, England, he is the first player from Great Britain to play in an NBA regular-season game. And he also is arguably the league's most intellectual player.

Amaechi, 29, is unique in many ways. After a stint with the Cleveland Cavaliers during the 1995-96 season, he played in Europe, before returning for a final shot in the NBA last season with the Magic. He made the most of it, surprising everyone with his success when he averaged 10.5 points, going from training-camp fodder to reliable backup to starter by midseason.

It was even more surprising last summer when he turned down a five-year, 817 million deal with the world champion Los Angeles Lakers to return to Orlando for a second season, even when the Magic could pay him only a fraction ($600,000) of what the Lakers could because of a quirk in a NBA's collective bargaining agreement. And the Lakers weren't the only ones banging on his door last summer. Decent centers were at a premium.

"Despite the 3,000 or so hate mails I received from Lakers fans, and people asking me if I was on some kind of mind-altering substance when I made the decision, I believe it was a sound one to stay," Amaechi says. "Maybe it wasn't a decision that a financial advisor would make, but that's not why I play basketball. This team needed me more than the Lakers did. This also was the first team that actually believed in me. And that should count for something. I couldn't reward their loyalty with desertion."

Amaechi is hoping to be the front-court presence Orlando needs to supplement its newly acquired perimeter game of Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill. He believes the Magic will be a serious contender in the Eastern Conference if he can produce like he did a season ago.

Although he is listed as the team's starting center, he also is the team's computer expert, ready to advise his teammates on Web sites and software. He's also willing to guide his coaches on raising their children and able to counsel anyone on expanding their horizons.

"Please don't make me out to be too big of a geek," Amaechi says. "Sure, I have some nerdish tendencies, but that's just me."

Although the NBA is peppered with players who are there only because it's a very lucrative profession, Amaechi might be the only one who openly admits it. He is a mercenary at times, knowing the money he makes now will allow him to proceed with a plan he set for himself many years ago. He currently is working on his doctorate in child psychology from Penn State, hoping to one day open his own practice when he returns to England.

"I'm going to be a better child psychologist than I ever could be a basketball player," he says, matter of factly. "In the grand scheme of things, I was never really designed to be an athlete. I don't jump very well. I'm not athletic. I watch in awe when I see some of the things these guys in the league do. Hey, I don't even like to sweat."

Although he sounds fortunate to even be in the league, Amaechi has a chance to become an NBA All-Star this season. The trade of Patrick Ewing from the New York Knicks to the Seattle SuperSonics, the season-ending kidney ailment of the Miami Heat's Alonzo Mourning, and the retirement of the Indiana Pacers' Rik Smits has left the Eastern Conference without a dominant big man.

"Who else is out there?" Amaechi asks. "Considering where I came from, being an All-Star would be an unbelievable achievement. I'd be speechless, which is pretty tough for me to do. I don't even know how that process works, but if it happened, it would be wonderful."

He might lack the overall athletic ability that others have, but he is a cerebral player who has developed a post game that can make him a reliable scorer. He is big, strong, and smart enough to play well enough to stay in the league--if he desires.

"I'm really not a fan of the game, and I'm not keen on this NBA lifestyle. I'm part of the NBA, but I've never been part of the NBA psyche," he says. "I was never good enough in basketball for it to be fun as a youngster. For me to make it, basketball had to be treated like a business."

  

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52. "maybe thats why him and sloan didnt get along"
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sloan seems kinda old school about shit like sexuality.

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60. "One of the 100 great Black Britons."
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appearantly.

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103. "Paul Ince & Ian Wright, BLACKNESS!"
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172. "ummmmm"
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It was even more surprising last summer when he turned down a five-year, 817 million deal with the world champion Los Angeles Lakers


good thing we didn't get him. 164 million a year is a lil too much

  

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196. "Sidenote: rant on his I'm not athletic line"
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I *hate* it when athletes (or non) state that they (or player xyz) isn't particularly athletic or physically gifted. That's the biggest crock of crap ever. ever.

Every nba baller is extremely gifted. No, they aren't all Jordan gifted, but a lot of these guys are out of touch with just how phenominal of an athlete one must be to play d-one ball at a school like Penn st.---let alone make a professional league.

Side-side note, this also applies to when an announcer/fan tries to act like some professional athlete who is white/short/etc. isn't a phenominal athlete--just a hard worker...etc. Sorry buddy, hard work alone ain't getting you in the pros.

  

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58. "'Nother swipe"
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Amaechi becomes first NBA player to come out
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John Amaechi, who played at Penn State and for five seasons in the NBA, will announce he is gay in an upcoming book.

John Amaechi
The cover for "Man in the Middle," authored by John Amaechi.

The book, published by ESPN Books (owned by the Walt Disney Company, parent company of ESPN), is entitled "Man in the Middle." It is due to be released later this month.

Amaechi, born in Massachusetts but raised in England, would be the first NBA player to come out publicly. Few other men's professional major sport athletes have announced they are gay. Among them are football player Esera Tuaolo, baseball player Billy Bean and baseball umpire Dave Pallone.

Amaechi, a 6-10 center, played for Cleveland, Orlando and Utah during five NBA seasons. He averaged 6.2 points and 2.6 rebounds before retiring from the league in 2003.

He is currently known in Britain as a television personality and for helping fund the Amaechi Basketball Center in Manchester.

He played collegiately at Penn State after transferring from Vanderbilt.

Amaechi will also be the subject of ESPN's "Outside the Lines" on Sunday (9:30 a.m. ET). The book will also be excerpted next week on ESPN.com and in the next issue of ESPN The Magazine.

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62. "link...:"
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2757105

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65. "Looks like CSI:OKP won"
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64. "Good for him."
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66. "Do you think this promotes any intelligent discourse"
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Or does it still fail to make any kind of social impact with sports?

I don't really have a lot of faith in the ability of jocks on virtually any level to accept a homosexual teammate.

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68. "why should they have to?"
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69. "because we live in the 21st century."
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71. "Well, I'm on the whole 'it's not a choice' side of the deal..."
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So I'm kind of in favor of the whole idea that let's not persecute/shun someone because of how they were born. In that sense, I don't think a little more understanding and a little less homophobia would be a bad thing. I'm not a huge fan of hompohobia in general at this point, so even if there isn't a gay teammate, I don't think it would hurt if jocks on all levels started learning a little more tolerance.

Are you on the whole "It's a choice/God hates faggots" side? Because if you are, we shouldn't really even bother debating this issue, because neither one of us will believe that the other is anything close to right on the issue.

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72. "so women give head...some don't. some men prefer dick...some don't"
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it's a choice dude
there is no scientific evidence to support otherwise

  

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74. "just because you choose to suck dick doesn't mean all gay men do"
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there is some scientific evidence, although at this point it's still quite speculative.

why don't you just go ask somebody gay, they'll tell you.

  

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76. "uh of course they'll tell me....they're gay"
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btw ALL gay ppl don't even believe this
i know a lesbian wit two kids..from a man!!!!!

  

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80. "yeah, but did she fuck him outta love/lust?"
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Or did she fuck him because she wanted kids on the "She Hate Me" tip?

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81. "well duh..."
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how she gonna have two kids from a woman?

  

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82. "so?"
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>btw ALL gay ppl don't even believe this
>i know a lesbian wit two kids..from a man!!!!!

i know of a gay preacher who was smoking meth and fucking male prostitutes... and he's been married for a long time and now claims to not be gay anymore.

self-delusion is a powerful force.

did you choose to be straight? do you look at men and women and get turned on by both, but just choose to fuck women? i don't, i get turned on by women without even thinking about it and don't get turned on by men at all. why do you think it's any different for gay people?

  

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75. "^^^REAL TALK"
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78. "So you chose to be straight?"
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I don't know about you, but when I see good lookin girl with some big, nice titties and a good round ass, I just wanna get goin with her in all kinds of dirty ways. That's not me choosing to feel like that...that shit's biology.

If I see a guy, that doesn't register like that, i have no compulsion toward similar behavior with a man. That's not a choice. That's who I am as a man. That's not something I grew up to learn. How I feel about hot women is something I've been feeling, probably since the first time I discovered my dad's old Swimsuit issues and saw Elle McPherson.

I've talked with my gay buddy about that, and he never felt that, on any level, about girls. He looks at guys, and his brain tells him that he's interested in the dude, he doesn't convince himself of that. That's who he is, as a man.

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84. "answer me this..."
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Say you're already having a bad day at work and your boss comes up and says some off-the-wall crap that really pisses you off and you "feel" like choking the life out of him but you CHOOSE not to because you need your job and don't want to go to jail, right?

That's what seperates human beings from animals, the ability to process thoughts and CHOOSE our actions rather than reacting to "feelings".

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86. "have you ever talked to a gay person about this 'choice'?"
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what did they say?

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89. "^^^REAL TALK"
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97. "i'll take a non-response as a 'no'"
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n/m

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107. "it was a dumb question, what do you think they said?"
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112. "so you looked them in the face"
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and said, "you've chosen to be gay"?

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178. "having feelings and acting on them are 2 different things man..."
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...there are pedophiliacs who never act on that shit because its wrong ...unfortunately there are many that do ..the problem with society is we are making being gay "a right thing to do" ...so fine, be gay ...and now they want to get married?? ..adopt and raise kids under their twisted umbrella?? ..way to confuse the shit out of kids gay people! ..and its a fact that u got gay parents raising their kids to be gay ..thats VERY wrong ..evil even

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207. "thankfully"
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we have people smarter than you setting national policy.

> ..way to confuse the shit out of kids gay people!
>..and its a fact that u got gay parents raising their kids to
>be gay ..thats VERY wrong ..evil even

you'll never convince me that two loving gay people are worse parents than the 50% of married couples who get divorced. there's overwhelming evidence that gay couples do not influence or harm their children in any way.

if heterosexual marriage was in a decent state of affairs you would have a much stronger argument. but the fact is that it's in shambles (50% divorce rate). a loving, committed gay relationship is healthier for everyone (them, kids, society) than those 50% of marriages that end in divorce.

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208. "what's the divorce rate for gay "marriages"?"
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223. "it doesn't matter"
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they're irrelevant to the point I was making. the numbers don't really exist (yet) anyway.

SP1200 was arguing that gay couples are bad for the children. but there is overwhelming scientific evidence that this is not true*. furthermore, studies show that divorce *does* affect the kids, profoundly.

* http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/pediatrics;109/2/341


so while all you bigots are wasting your breath arguing against gay marriage, I sincerely hope you devote the same energy towards people that have kids and then get divorced.

what's that? you don't care as much about divorced parents? hmmm, why could that be? hmmmm. hmmmm. oh yeah, there's no bigoted dislike of people based on sexual orientation involved.

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224. "So you're talking out of your ass like usual? OK. n/m"
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225. "RIF, bigot."
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divorce affects kids.
gay parents do not.

the scientific world overwhelmingly proves this.

you & SP1200 are the ones talking out of your ass.

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227. "what about gay parents that get divorced?"
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235. ""
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sexual orientation of parents has no discernible effect on the kid, so divorced gay parents and divorced straight parents have the SAME EFFECT.

Divorce OF ANY KIND is NOT NATURAL!!
Divorce RUINS THE CHILDREN!!
Divorce is destroying the institution of marriage!!

where's the OUTRAGE at divorce!??!?!!

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240. "You presented your weakly formed argument as if "loving gay parents"..."
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stay together forever and only awful heterosexuals divorce.

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347. "Do you have stats to back that up?"
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I mean how long has substantial gay parenting been in abundance?

  

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236. "no worse than straight divorced"
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and there's no reason to think they'll have a higher divorce rate... it will actually probably be lower.

  

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241. "and I'm assuming you have some sort of statistics to back that up?"
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>and there's no reason to think they'll have a higher divorce
>rate... it will actually probably be lower.

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252. "No. But you don't have any statistics saying it will be higher."
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Of course, this is a moot point because until gay marriage is legal, no one can address it.

But there's no evidence to suggest gay divorce will be more likely than straight divorce.

And yes, there's no evidence to suggest it will be less likely either.

My theory is that the gay divorce rate will be lower because it's harder for gay people to meet, fall in love, and get married - they face more obstacles so they'll appreciate it more. But this is just theory and I have no evidence for it.

  

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254. "Thanks..."
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>this is just theory and I have no evidence for it.

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258. "So now your argument is that gays are more likely to divorce?"
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I thought we were talking about the slippery slope and how gay marriage leads to legalized incest?

Oh yeah, you abandoned that losing battle.

I thought we were talking about how homosexual households negatively effect children?

Oh yeah, the scientific community proved that wrong.

Since you lost both of those points, I'm happy to talk about gay divorce rates. I actually have some numbers, but I'm so confused by your constant abandonment of losing arguments that I wasn't sure if they were still relevant.

If we're done with your two losses mentioned above, I'm happy to move on to your next loss. Say the word.

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263. "^^^typical smutsboy tactic, trying to argue irrelevant details to divert..."
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attention from the main point.

You wrongly implied that "loving gay parents" are somehow better parents than heterosexuals that get divorced 50% of the time.

I called you on it.

You LOST.

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276. "gays divorce at the same rate as straight people"
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gays do not harm their children in any way
gay marriage does not open the door for incest or any other illegal act

is there something here you disagree with?

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281. "do you have something to PROVE that other than just you saying it?"
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290. "you mean the divorce rate?"
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yes, I do. In fact, if you google real hard, you can find them yourself. Either way I'll provide them in a minute, I promise.

But first there's something I want to say.

Truth, I'm really worried you're going to abandon this thread the way you did with the Slippery Slope and Gays Harm Their Kids. You pick a mini tanget and use it as a smoke screen to escape the original point (slippery slope -> use of the word fag)(gay parents harm their kids -> divorce rates). It seems to be a pattern with you and it's distressing me.

I am trying so hard to educate your bigoted way of viewing gays so that you can join the progressive future of Modern Civilization (I mean hell, South Africa's constitution legally recognizes gay marriage), but you just keep running away. I'm worried about you. I'm worried about your soul. It needs saving, badly.

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295. "^^^still has yet to provide evidence to support his bogus argument"
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298. "last time i had scientific proof"
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you ran away, this time will be no different.

I just can't trust your bigoted ways.

Slippery Slope: L
Harmful Gay Parents: L
Divorce rate: L

google hint: look at european countries that have legalized gay marriage

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300. "The only thing you presented to support your argument was the opinion..."
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of a gay man.

I'm sorry but I don't exactly consider that scientific proof.

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301. "And the bigot bows out of the discussion"
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I'd expect nothing less.

b/c if a straight person said it, you'd actually respond right? FOH.

The Slippery Slope lost (debate of ideas which you can't deal with)
Gays don't harm kids, divorced parents do (science)
Gays don't harm marriage, divorce does (science)
Gays & straights divorce at the same rate (raw data)

Are there any other social issues you agree with Rick Santorum, Pat Robertson and the extreme Right on?

That's some nice company you're keeping there.

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302. "^^^still has yet to prove a point"
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>I'd expect nothing less.
>
>b/c if a straight person said it, you'd actually respond
>right? FOH.

It still wouldn't be scientific proof, just one man's opinion, no different than yours or mine.


>The Slippery Slope lost (debate of ideas which you can't deal
>with)

Only time will tell, 40-50 years the the thought of two men getting married probably sounded sick and absurd. 40-50 years from now what things that are considered sick and absurd today will be considered as "normal"?


>Gays don't harm kids, divorced parents do (science)

Ask Shawn Hornbeck about the first part of the that, as for the second part, gays divorce or break up just as hetero people do so again that's a dumb argument.

>Gays don't harm marriage, divorce does (science)

see above.

>Gays & straights divorce at the same rate (raw data)

still waiting on something other than your word.

Thanks for playing.

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303. "for what it's worth ....the first gay couple to ever get married"
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has already divorced
i think it's only been what 3-4 yrs
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237. "There's no global warming, gay people r evil and the poor are lazy"
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welcome to america

  

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325. "and gay child abusers dont exist right?????"
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328. "wow.. thats one of the more twisted things ive read in a long time.."
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...so 2 gay parents is better than a single loving parent??? ...for real man ...you are one twisted person ..thank god not everyone thinks the way you do .

..do you not see how gay parents could be very confusing and difficult on kids?

do you not see whats wrong with that picture?? daddy & daddy kissing?? kids should not be subject to that behavior.. for the love of god.. LET THESE KIDS BE KIDS!!!

and what you so conveniently seem to forget is gays can divorce and molest and beat kids as much as anyone else.. PERHAPS MORE!!! ..how many child molesters go for same sex victims?!?!??! EXACTLY!!!!

you need to think these things out a little better man.. what gets me is every discussion in this post results in the gay person quickly throwing lame insults and weak or no arguments to back up their point of views.. unfortunately this is typical of gay activists..


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338. "you've said more twisted stuff yourself in this very thread"
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>...so 2 gay parents is better than a single loving parent???

Why wouldn't two loving gay parents be better or just as good as one loving straight parent?

What evidence could you possibly have that suggests anything to the contrary?


>..do you not see how gay parents could be very confusing and
>difficult on kids?

It's nothing that kids can't handle.

Should we also decide which straight couples get to have kids, based on how "confusing and difficult" it would be for their kids?


>do you not see whats wrong with that picture?? daddy & daddy
>kissing?? kids should not be subject to that behavior..

Do you honestly think gay couples let their kids watch them get it on? There's nothing "wrong" with a kiss now and then.

Anything more than that and you should take it to the bedroom and not do it in front of your kids, whether you're straight or gay.


>and what you so conveniently seem to forget is gays can
>divorce and molest and beat kids as much as anyone else..

Yes, some gay people would get divorced. Some gay people might molest or beat kids. But if the same is true for straight people, why is this even being mentioned?


>PERHAPS MORE!!!

No evidence for this. PERHAPS LESS!


> ..how many child molesters go for same sex
>victims?!?!??! EXACTLY!!!!

Do you have any evidence for this, or is it just your own bigotry leading you to make wild assumptions and accusations?


And what does child molesting have to do with anything? Are you honestly saying that gay people shouldn't be around kids because they might molest them?


>you need to think these things out a little better man.. what
>gets me is every discussion in this post results in the gay
>person quickly throwing lame insults

Not really. There's plenty of valid points being made that you choose to ignore.


>and weak or no arguments
>to back up their point of views..

Mirror needed for this guy.


unfortunately this is
>typical of gay activists..

Another unfounded accusation.

  

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341. "from your POV perhaps.."
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>>...so 2 gay parents is better than a single loving parent???
>
>
>Why wouldn't two loving gay parents be better or just as good
>as one loving straight parent?

because you are still missing a father or mother in each equation... so its still a single parent.. and dont even try to tell me a mom or dad isnt important...

so you have two female guardians?? how is that better than a single mom with grandma or an aunt or older sibling in that role the way many kids who didn't have fathers grew up?

I'll take mom & grandma over two lesbians raising my kids anyday thanks...




>>..do you not see how gay parents could be very confusing and
>>difficult on kids?
>
>It's nothing that kids can't handle.


What evidence could you possibly have that kids CAN handle this??? this is fucked up man.. i really hope you think a little deeper about this..



>Should we also decide which straight couples get to have kids,
>based on how "confusing and difficult" it would be for their
>kids?


LMAO! again.. your role reversals dont work for normal situations! ..MOM & DAD is the norm!!!



>>do you not see whats wrong with that picture?? daddy &
>daddy
>>kissing?? kids should not be subject to that behavior..
>
>Do you honestly think gay couples let their kids watch them
>get it on? There's nothing "wrong" with a kiss now and then.
>
>Anything more than that and you should take it to the bedroom
>and not do it in front of your kids, whether you're straight
>or gay.


parents showing affection for each other (im not talking sexual) is very normal... in fact its good for kids to see that.. it enforces the fact that MOM & DAD love each other and in turn love THEM.. again.. this is very normal..

also, its their first exposure to love and affection.. and kids LEARN from that,, if little jenny sees MOM & MOM smooching and sharing a hug or cuddle they will likely follow.. maybe not everytime.. but surely this has INFLUENCE.. and kids should NEVER be influenced to do things that are UNNATURAL.. there are gays which have said they will rasie their kid gay.. now i dont believe every gay person would do that.. but.. how sick is that?!?!?!


>>and what you so conveniently seem to forget is gays can
>>divorce and molest and beat kids as much as anyone else..
>
>Yes, some gay people would get divorced. Some gay people might
>molest or beat kids. But if the same is true for straight
>people, why is this even being mentioned?
>
>
>>PERHAPS MORE!!!
>
>No evidence for this. PERHAPS LESS!


lol.. lets call it even for now


>> ..how many child molesters go for same sex
>>victims?!?!??! EXACTLY!!!!
>
>Do you have any evidence for this, or is it just your own
>bigotry leading you to make wild assumptions and accusations?


wow .. YOUR bigotry and accusations came across in this reply above! how is it wild?? how am i a bigot to say that??? same sex molestation are very common.. do i have the numbers?? no.. does anyone?? no.. but you KNOW its very common mr nieve...


>And what does child molesting have to do with anything? Are
>you honestly saying that gay people shouldn't be around kids
>because they might molest them?

you said gay parents (ANY GAY PARENTS) are a better fit than 50% of the single parents rasing kids... i said.. what about all the gays who molest kids??? do you think they dont exist?? do you have this dream in your head that every gay parent is a noble good person? nah man.. as many or more will be shitty parents..

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351. "RE: from your POV perhaps.."
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>>>...so 2 gay parents is better than a single loving parent???

>>Why wouldn't two loving gay parents be better or just as good
>>as one loving straight parent?
>
>because you are still missing a father or mother in each
>equation... so its still a single parent.. and dont even try
>to tell me a mom or dad isnt important...

It's not a "single parent." It's simple math. Two people are not one parent.
Obviously this point is lost on you because you define "parent" differently than I do.

One mother + one father = two parents
One mother + one mother = two parents
One father + one father = two parents

Simple math. I have yet to see any evidence that two gay parents are any worse (or any better for that matter) than two straight parents.


>so you have two female guardians?? how is that better than a
>single mom with grandma or an aunt or older sibling in that
>role the way many kids who didn't have fathers grew up?

I didn't say a gay couple is better than a single mom + grandma, aunt, and sibling.

But why can't the gay couple also have a grandma, aunt, and sibling?

And why would the gay couple be any worse than a single mom or single dad (with or without grandma)?

I think a child needs one parent, although two is best. If there's even more family to help out, even better.

I don't see how this relates to gay parents.


>I'll take mom & grandma over two lesbians raising my kids
>anyday thanks...

Okay, that's your choice. No one is suggesting that gay people are going to run around taking other people's kids. I'm just saying that gay people have the same right to have kids as everyone else.


>>>..do you not see how gay parents could be very confusing
>and
>>>difficult on kids?
>>
>>It's nothing that kids can't handle.
>
>What evidence could you possibly have that kids CAN handle
>this??? this is fucked up man.. i really hope you think a
>little deeper about this..

Ummm, kids handle all kinds of things and turn out fine. And having two gay parents really isn't that big of a deal.

Explain why having gay parents is such a terrible thing. And don't say because they'll molest their kids.


>>Should we also decide which straight couples get to have
>kids,
>>based on how "confusing and difficult" it would be for their
>>kids?
>
>
>LMAO! again.. your role reversals dont work for normal
>situations! ..MOM & DAD is the norm!!!

That doesn't make sense.
Because what's normal is what's right and everything else is wrong?

You said having gay parents is "confusing and difficult" - there are lots of straight parents whose situations are confusing and difficult, and are not the norm. I don't see why it's any different.

And the norm is cultural anyway.


>>>do you not see whats wrong with that picture?? daddy &
>>daddy
>>>kissing?? kids should not be subject to that behavior..
>>
>>Do you honestly think gay couples let their kids watch them
>>get it on? There's nothing "wrong" with a kiss now and then.
>
>>
>>Anything more than that and you should take it to the
>bedroom
>>and not do it in front of your kids, whether you're straight
>>or gay.
>
>
>parents showing affection for each other (im not talking
>sexual) is very normal... in fact its good for kids to see
>that.. it enforces the fact that MOM & DAD love each other and
>in turn love THEM.. again.. this is very normal..

This is also cultural. Anyway, I don't have a problem with parents hugging, kissing (as I said, there's nothing wrong with a kiss), cuddling, etc. Whether gay or straight, this is no big deal. It won't "mess the kids up" in any way.

So I agree, kids seeing their parents - gay or straight - showing affection is good.

Where I draw the line is making out, groping, etc in front of your kids. And I don't care if you're straight or gay.


>also, its their first exposure to love and affection.. and
>kids LEARN from that,, if little jenny sees MOM & MOM
>smooching and sharing a hug or cuddle they will likely
>follow.. maybe not everytime.. but surely this has
>INFLUENCE.. and kids should NEVER be influenced to do things
>that are UNNATURAL..

I don't really think seeing their gay parents sharing affection will make them gay.

But I guess if you believe that gay people make a choice about their sexuality based on what they think will be more fun for the rest of their lives, then maybe seeing their parents being affectionate fits into that line of thinking.

I think it's pretty crazy. I'm not straight because I saw my parents kissing and thought it looked fun. I don't think seeing my parents being affectionate had much effect on my sexuality at all, in fact.

I'm straight because I'm just attracted to women and not men.


>there are gays which have said they will
>rasie their kid gay.. now i dont believe every gay person
>would do that.. but.. how sick is that?!?!?!

I don't agree with that, but I think that's very rare anyway. Most gay people will tell you that it's not a choice, and that it's biological, so for them to try to "make" their kid gay doesn't even make sense.

They probably just let their kid know that it's okay if they are gay, and they shouldn't feel guilty or ashamed of it.


>>> ..how many child molesters go for same sex
>>>victims?!?!??! EXACTLY!!!!
>>
>>Do you have any evidence for this, or is it just your own
>>bigotry leading you to make wild assumptions and
>accusations?
>
>
>wow .. YOUR bigotry and accusations came across in this reply
>above! how is it wild?? how am i a bigot to say that???
>same sex molestation are very common.. do i have the
>numbers?? no.. does anyone?? no.. but you KNOW its very
>common mr nieve...

I don't think it's "very common".
I don't think gay people are any more likely to molest people than straight people.

But without numbers that's where it stops because no one has any proof of anything.

Honestly though, what % of gay people do you think are child molesters?
What % of straight people?
Do you really think being gay is correlated with child molesting?


>>And what does child molesting have to do with anything? Are
>>you honestly saying that gay people shouldn't be around kids
>>because they might molest them?
>
>you said gay parents (ANY GAY PARENTS) are a better fit than
>50% of the single parents rasing kids...

As good or better, is what I said. I just don't understand how one straight man is better than two gay women, or one straight woman is better than two gay men. As long as the parents are devoted and loving, that kid will probably be okay.


>i said.. what
>about all the gays who molest kids??? do you think they dont
>exist??

They exist, just like the straight molesters.

>do you have this dream in your head that every gay
>parent is a noble good person? nah man.. as many or more will
>be shitty parents..

Of course not. Gay people are no more monolithic than straight people. Some are nice, some are mean, some are noble and good, some are scumbags. But I don't have any reason to think that they're more likely to molest their children.

  

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355. "are you against evolution too?"
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I'll take the science world's opinion over yours. a *large* majority of psychological studies done show no harm whatsoever on kids with gay parents. not emotionally. not intellectually. not socially. not nothing.

furthermore, studies show a divorced household has serious effects on children in a multitude of ways. again, PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE has proven this.

I know you think your anti-gay position explains how gays harm kids and divorce doesn't, but you have to understand that I have a majority of the scientific world on my side, and you do not. You have people like Rick Santorum and George W. Bush.

The Scientific Method >>>> Your anti-gay logic

There's no really no debate here. In parenting and child-rearing, science has spoken. You lose. If you want to argue against science, go find an anti-evolution activist group to join.

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87. "But those are much different feelings"
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Obviously we control our impulses. I can't go around pulling my dick out, chasing after girls on Comm Ave in the middle of the day. But that doesn't always mean I wouldn't like to.

But why should a gay guy choose not to fuck another guy? He can't go around fucking any guy, at any time he likes. He may want to, but he's got self control.

I don't choose to feel what I feel for women, gay guys don't choose what they feel for men. Controlling our impulses is a shared thing yes, but why should a gay guy have to not only control the impulse to fuck whatever guy he wants whenever he wants to, but also the impulse to fuck a guy in the appropriate situation? He's not hurting people when he fucks another guy. He's not saying he wants to fuck every other guy he ever sees. He just wants to be able to fuck guys like I just wanna be able to fuck girls. On our own terms when society's rules deem it appropriate.


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88. "Homosexuality has been around almost since the beginning of time..."
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but it was always something that was consider wrong and kept in the "closet".

Now gays are demanding their "rights" and want to be recognized as normal people and anyone that disagrees is considered a "bigot". When we step away from all of the spiritual and moral guidelines that most civilized societies were built on and start to make up new standards it sets up a slippery slope for other things to come forward.

If we are supposed to accept homosexualty as "normal" now then what is next? incest? child molestation? beastiality? It may sound far-fetched but there are well-organized and well-funded organizations that are pushing those exact agendas right now and gaining moment everyday.

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90. "and black people were known to be dumber than white people"
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How right was that?

Sometimes, it's better if more rights are given, and standards are changed to make the world a little bit more accepting.

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104. "I knew that would be the typical response, of course we know all..."
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changes are not negative and some are required for the greater good but where do you draw the line?

The folks at NAMBLA want their rights too.

You got monsters like Michael J. Devlin and Neil Havens Rodreick II that want their rights too. And don't trying to say its not related because we all know it is.

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109. "two consenting adults."
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>where do you draw the line?

any other questions?

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115. "what about incest between "two consenting adults"? Is that OK too?"
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307. "i knew he wouldn't have an answer"
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funny thing is you'll find some gays who think incest is terrible.


where do you draw the line?

  

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308. "he didn't answer because it's trivial"
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just change "consenting adults" to "consenting, unrelated adults".

>funny thing is you'll find some gays who think incest is
>terrible.

i think you'd find virtually all gays think incest is terrible. There's a clear distinction between gay sex, which has no further negative consequences than straight sex, and incest, which causes children with an incredibly high likelihood of being fucked up and dying young

>where do you draw the line?

at two consenting, unrelated adults.

  

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131. "RE: I knew that would be the typical response, of course we know all..."
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you're acting as if we must be absolutists in our thinking. situations are different and require their own unique response. just because you think gay folks should be left alone and treated equally doesn't mean you think incest is okay. you're thinking is completely absurd.

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91. "you're truly a moron."
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96. "Captain Obvious Says . . ."
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>If we are supposed to accept homosexualty as "normal" now then
>what is next? incest? child molestation? beastiality?

Relations between consenting adults is a completely different ballgame than relations between kids or a dog - neither have legal rights to make any decisions for themselves anyway.

  

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111. "what about incest? that's "2 consenting adults"? Should a brother and..."
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sister be allowed to be together as long as they are "consenting adults"? how about 2 brothers?

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116. "there's no similarity whatsoever"
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brother & sister having sex: creates biological harm for off-spring

gay men having sex: doesn't create (or harm) off-spring, doesn't affect anyone except THE TWO CONSENTING ADULTS

I know I need the government to tell me who to have sex with, don't you? I mean, 50 years ago they would have kept me from having sex with non-whites. Oh how I wish for those days.

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117. "OK, so what if they use birth control, or if one can't reproduce?"
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is it OK then? Should they be allowed to marry?

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124. "you mean have the government enforce birth control?"
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yeah, that's totally realistic. i can see why you're putting that in the same boat as two men wanting to have sex which doesn't effect anyone else on earth except them.

so besides "it's been frowned upon for centuries", what other reasons do you have for deciding who grown adults get to have sex with?

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126. "no I mean if 2 siblings can't physically reproduce but still want to mar..."
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SHOULD IT BE ALLOWED OR NOT?


Quit dancing around the question.

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133. "why does gay marriage allow for incest..."
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but heterosexual marriage does not? How does gay marriage opening up the door for incest?

The 'slippery slope' right? That argument is a poor one that doesn't really stand up in any true forum of debate.

I leave you with this quote from a man more articulate than me:

"The precise challenge for morally serious people is to make rational distinctions between what is arbitrary and what is essential in important social institutions. ... If you want to argue that a lifetime of loving, faithful commitment between two women is equivalent to incest or child abuse, then please argue it. It would make for fascinating reading. But spare us this bizarre point that no new line can be drawn in access to marriage—or else everything is up for grabs and, before we know where we are, men will be marrying their dogs."
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134. "that's a great fuckin quote"
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145. "what do you expect, it came from a fag."
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152. "LLLLLLLL"
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I post an intelligent quote that speaks to the heart of your opinion... and you call me names. (edit: or maybe Andrew Sullivan? either way...)

That's an L that speaks for itself.

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159. "I was talking about Sullivan, was he not?"
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163. "ummm."
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he liked the Sullivan quote, to which you responded by calling Sullivan a fag.

that's an auto-L

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165. "Well wasn't he?"
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>to which you responded by
>calling Sullivan a fag.

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167. "Sullivan quote = well spoken"
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your last three posts = ignorant derogatory name calling

you're really showing yourself here man.

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169. "That's what they refer to themselves as! Isn't that what you guys say..."
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about the n-word?

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171. "i'm happy to talk about your bigotry another time"
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for now let's talk about that quote.

oh that's right, you have no response to it.

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209. "what's there to respond to? Its just some gay guy's twisted opinion."
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212. "The 'slippery-slope' argument lost"
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run along now.

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142. "still ducking the question. I got another. What's a "consenting adult"?"
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The very definition varies greatly from state to state and even more so if you go outside the US.

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151. "until you explain the relevance to gay marriage"
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I'm not even touching the question of incest.

you wanna discuss incest? explain it's relevance or start a new thread.

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98. "log off"
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100. "for 99.9% of human history slavery was generally accepted"
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so was racism, if in theory it's even gone today.

so was the rejection of interracial marriage.

I guess we shouldn't have gone against those 'norms' either huh?

two CONSENTING ADULTS can have all the sex they way with whomever they want and no one has the right to judge them in any way, shape or form.

Don't tell people which adults they can sleep with and which they can't.

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105. "^^there are 5 bleeding heart liberal white bols on top of me^^"
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no homo

  

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110. "^^^ aggressive bottom."
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484. "Highly underrated reply"
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lmao. that shit went "whoosh" over some heads.

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499. "pure hilarity"
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>lmao. that shit went "whoosh" over some heads.

thats what makes it hilarious ... cuz you know SPM sittin there scratchin his head wonderin if he was just insulted.

  

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113. "RE: ^^there are 5 bleeding heart liberal white bols on top of me^^"
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And I'm okay with that

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143. "and a person's RACE is not based on "feelings" so for the millionth..."
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time dead the homosexuality = being black argument.

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242. "Wrong"
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"Homosexuality has been around almost since the beginning of time but it was always something that was consider wrong and kept in the closet"

You might want to change that "always" to "sometimes"

There is more than just american history you know

  

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146. "I'm curious as to how true this actually is"
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>Say you're already having a bad day at work and your boss
>comes up and says some off-the-wall crap that really pisses
>you off and you "feel" like choking the life out of him but
>you CHOOSE not to because you need your job and don't want to
>go to jail, right?
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>That's what seperates human beings from animals, the ability
>to process thoughts and CHOOSE our actions rather than
>reacting to "feelings".

So your, along with many others', argument is that people choose to be gay based on a reaction to their feelings. This would mean that homosexuals choose to act on their feelings of attraction towards the same sex, whereas heterosexuals choose not to act on those feelings of attraction towards the same sex.

Would you agree then, that as a heterosexual, you have chosen not to act upon your feelings of attraction towards the male gender? Although I may be wrong, I am going to assume that you will say no, that you only have feelings of attraction towards the female gender. You would then say that that is natural, correct, and not something that you have to force yourself to do?

Now, were someone to have feelings for the same sex, whether or not they choose to act upon them, then that would be a natural occurance, would it not? Should that be the case, then, you would have to concede the fact that feelings of attraction towards the same sex are natural, and not merely a choice, which is something those who fall on the anti-gay side of the debate refuse to acknowledge.

Therefore the question is, should people who have these feelings do what is natural to them, or should they deny those feelings because as a society we feel it "just isn't right?"

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155. "and like I said, people "feel" a lot of different things, some "feel"..."
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and attraction to the same sex. Some "feel" and a attraction to an immidiate relative. Some "feel" an attraction to farm animals. Some "feel" and a attraction to children.

Before you even try the whole "two consenting adults" argument I need you to define what exactly a "consenting adult" is.

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158. "it seems to me you should be the one defining "consenting adults""
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you agree heterosexual people should be able to fuck, right? what about heterosexual incest, is that okay? if not, why not? please explain. And if your only explanation is that's the way it's always been, i would point out that's the exact same argument that was used against interracial relationships.

  

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160. "the point is that there are multiple definitions for a consenting adult...."
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depending soley on geography and most of those are hotly disputed as well therefore rendering that whole argument meaningless.

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176. "so i guess we need to outlaw heterosexual marraige"
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otherwise we open up the door for incest

  

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192. "Right, and we can play the hypothetical game all day"
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Now that gay couples want to get married, all of a sudden we have to have rules to cover every hypothetical situation that may ever challenge the status quo?

Does that mean we need a rule to define whether or not we can fuck people from other planets if we ever meet them? Wasn't it "unnatural" in the past for people of different races to have sex with each other?

It was. And how did we get over that? Common sense. That is why we elect people by popular vote who we think have it. But now that the "sanctity" of heterosexual marriage has been threatened, all of a sudden we are all idiots who can't understand who adults are in the world, whether or not they are relatives, whether or not they say yes, and whether or not fucking animals is ok?

Give me a fucking break, and quit playing dumb.

But I'm glad you agree that anyone feeling attracted towards the same sex is a natural feeling. I'd be very interested to see how many millions of people in the world were born that way but are so morally strong that they force themselves to be heterosexual.

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210. "Quit playing the race card, you don't CHOOSE your race, you can't be one..."
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race and "come out" as another, you're born that way. That's not neccessarily the case with being gay.

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230. "You have absolutely no way of knowing this"
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  &nbs