Throught the playoffs it's becoming more and more apparent T-Mac may be the next "Jordan" or as close as anyone is going to get. Kobe has copied his moves and mannerisms (walks like and sounds like), but McGrady seems to have his heart. Tracy has so far shut down Big Dog and is giving his team everything it needs. Whether it playmaking, rebounding or scoring. He is leading and carrying his team. He's the best defender in the league not at the 4 or 5 and nothing ever seems to bother him. He doesn't have a hard time in the playoffs like Vince. He's more mature and a better defender than Kobe. I can't believe I'm writing this, but Eccentric may have been right (I think it was his post?) the Magic maybe the next Bulls. Hill can be Pippen, Miller can be Harper and T-Mac as MJ. I can see it. They just need Grant to be at least 80% of what he was before the injury.



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But he's just as Good...there pretty even you cant really say one does anythging better than the over...except K.O.B.E. is a champion...T-Mac aint...plus K.O.B.E. played his best ball in the most important game of his laife(game 4 O.T.,2000 Finals, shaq fouled out)...so until T-mac can do that you cant say he's better but he's as good as anyone breathing right now.

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At this moment McGrady is by himself, pretty much. Miller's a rookie and Hill is gone. Kobe has Shaq (and that is still his team). McGrady is a better defender than Kobe and he's bigger. McGrady doesn't get abused in the post like Kobe. Kobe made Bonzi Wells a household name last year. Blazer swingmen were getting in line, taking tickets like they were at a deli counter to be the next to take Kobe on the block. Steve Smith, Pippen, Wells and even Stacy Augmon were having a good time down there with him.



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BUT KOBE CAN'T SCORE AGAINST HIM. THEREFORE, HE IS CONTAINABLE.
HE BEASTED ONHIM IN THEIR LAST GAME OF THE REGULAR SEASON AND HELD HIM TO 14 POINTS DURING THE PERIOD WHEN HE WAS BRINGING HOME AT LEAST 26 A GAME.

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He's easily surpassed Vince, who is proving what I said last year that he is merely a 2000 version of Dominique Wilkins. But I know Dominique dropped 30+ games in the playoffs by taking it to the rim and throwing down and leaving the bullshit fadeaway 3 pointers for others.

Now McGrady is a great defender but not as good as Kobe in my estimation because Kobe can stop 1s (shut down AI a few times last year), 2s and 3s. And McGrady will have to hope that when Grant comes back that his foot is ok. And then he will hope Grant will be able to play a good Scottie Pippen to his Jordan. But until the Magic get a real center they can't realt contest for the top spot in the east. But damn McGrady is a monster.

HELLO KG LOOK AT MCGRDY THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING. I mean Don Ameche shouldn't even be in the NBA and McGrady is making the most of it. But they will still not make it to the next round.

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>Now McGrady is a great defender
>but not as good as
>Kobe in my estimation because
>Kobe can stop 1s (shut
>down AI a few times
>last year), 2s and 3s.

I see it as just the opposite. Kobe is a good defender, he's not great. He can't guard small forwards down low and he can't handle the quick point guards (JWill and Kidd). McGrady is big enough to handle the 3 and has those long ass arms to handle the 1 and 2s, like Pippen in his prime.


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and TMac's doing his damage against the worst defense in the playoffs...

He's good, but I think Kobe's a smarter player still.

The whole team would STILL not be shit if it weren't for Phil telling them HOW TO PLAY LIKE CHAMPIONS.

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>and TMac's doing his damage against
>the worst defense in the
>playoffs...
>
>He's good, but I think Kobe's
>a smarter player still.


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>Throught the playoffs it's becoming more
>and more apparent T-Mac may
>be the next "Jordan" or
>as close as anyone is
>going to get.
I don't think that's a fair comparison...he doesn't play like Jordan in my opinion. He's earned a lot of my respect, but I don't think he's the overall best in the league (although it's getting harder to say that)

Kobe has copied his moves and
>mannerisms (walks like and sounds
>like), but McGrady seems to
>have his heart.
I dunno...I'm not a big Kobe fan, but I've got to admit, he's got heart, and both have developed that killer instinct needed

Tracy has so far shut down
>Big Dog and is giving
>his team everything it needs.
I agree, and that's no easy task to lock up Glenn Robinson like that...he is really frustrating the Big Dog (and letting him know about it by talking shit)

> Whether it playmaking, rebounding
>or scoring. He is
>leading and carrying his team.

> He's the best defender
>in the league not at
>the 4 or 5 and
>nothing ever seems to bother
>him.
That's dead wrong. Nothing seems to bother him? That cat's got the quickest temper I've ever seen, he's psycho to the next degree. Is he the best defender at the 1, 2, or 3, that's debatable. My take for the best defender at that spot is probably Bruce Bowen...like it or not, he LOCKS up people

He doesn't have
>a hard time in the
>playoffs like Vince. He's
>more mature and a better
>defender than Kobe.
He's proven that he's more dependable than Vince in the playoffs (but playing the devil's advocate, I don't know if he'd be putting up those same numbers if the Magic played the Knicks, and conversely I think Vince would have better numbers if the Bucks were defending on him too), but when they both played the Knicks, they focused on Vince and T-Mac went berserk
He is a better defender than Kobe...more mature is again debatable.

I can't believe I'm writing this,
>but Eccentric may have been
>right (I think it was
>his post?) the Magic maybe
>the next Bulls. Hill
>can be Pippen, Miller can
>be Harper and T-Mac as
>MJ. I can see
>it. They just need
>Grant to be at least
>80% of what he was
>before the injury.
I can't see that (and I'm gonna assume that Outlaw is your Horace Grant)...the rest of the team has yet to prove anything substantial to me...just because a squad looks good on paper doesn't mean they'll wreck shop (see Portland)

Whoever says Kobe is a better defender than T-Mac makes me wonder how they could say that. Bonzi and Steve Smith have made it habits to show the flaws in Kobe's defense...he can't lock up that many players...he's a pretty good team defender, but T-Mac is a much better overall defender.

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Right now he's carrying his team in the playoffs. They won't beat the Bucks, but I won't be surprised if he forces a game 5. It just looks a lot like the Jordan rise at a more accelerated rate. The Sixers may turn out to be his Pistons. When I meant nothing gets to him (as in pressure). I feel he's more mature than Kobe because he handled being a sidekick much better than Kobe was and I think he just cares about winning. Kobe, at least until this series seemed to have to win his way.


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>Right now he's carrying his team
>in the playoffs. They
>won't beat the Bucks, but
>I won't be surprised if
>he forces a game 5.
OK, I'll give you that

> It just looks a
>lot like the Jordan rise
>at a more accelerated rate.
He looks more like Pippen with a jumper than Jordan to me...his best comparison is with his teammate, Grant Hill...they play a similiar game to me, can take cats off the dribble, anything inside the arc is automatic (especially for Hill), he's better shooting the 3, and they both play great D and can run the point.

The Sixers may turn
>out to be his Pistons.
The Bucks might turn out to be his Pistons, they can't seem to beat those guys

> When I meant nothing
>gets to him (as in
>pressure). I feel he's
>more mature than Kobe because
>he handled being a sidekick
>much better than Kobe was
>and I think he just
>cares about winning.
That's debatable...if he handled being a sidekick so well, he'd still be in Toronto with Vince. (I still haven't completely forgiven him for that, but I'm workin on that). Who knows how he would've handled playing alongside Grant Hill, who probably would've been the first option 70% of the time at least...we don't know, all I can say is that he's lucky that Hill got hurt so he can shine.

Kobe, at least until this series
>seemed to have to win
>his way.
That's true, T-Mac is more willing to sacrifice for the greater good of the team than Kobe (so it seems), but the Lakers did Kobe wrong in my opinion. I'm not even a Kobe fan, but he worked his ass off more than any player on that team, and for teammates to get pissed at him for balling his ass off (especially Shaq, who played like shit at the time) is absurd.

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Not yet...but in 3 years, he will be hands down the best in the league...1st team nba and defensive

He needs to mature just a bit, but his natural talent exceeds kobe's...because he is a better defender and has a better outside shot(which will also be more evident with couple more years of maturity and if/when he gets as many open looks as kobe when grant can penetrate and dish to him)

Don't get me wrong, Kobe could put up 35 a night without shaq on his team(not sayin that's good) but I was convinced when I saw T-Mac D-up KOBE on his first possesion in the all-star game...Blocked kobe's FADEAWAY!!...with hardly any effort.

In a couple years, I would give T-Mac the nod, hands down, in a head to head matchup with Kobe. It will be like watching Scottie play D on Jordan...except this Scottie can also drop 40 points of his own against Jordan...and this Jordan won't be able to contain Pippen down low.

Two disclaimers...I think in this state in his career, KOBE is better than Jordan at the same point...AND nither T-Mac or KOBE are any where near my fav. players.

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T-Mac ain't the best, BUT i'd say that he's in the top 10 and damn welling zeroing in the the Top 5 NBA playas........

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But Kobe could do the same thing if he had the same opportunities to score as McGrady. Kobe put the team on his back in his most important game and has came through repeatedly in the 4th quarter. Pound for pound I still feel like Kobe is the best guard in the league. He has not done anything on the court to make me change my opinion.




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>But Kobe could do the same
>thing if he had the
>same opportunities to score as
>McGrady.

dude, they put up almost exactly the same amount of shots per game. if you have another way to gauge scoring opportunities, let me know. and by the way, mcgrady doesn't get nearly as many open looks and midrange jumpers since he doesn't have a guy that commands a triple team destroying the opposition's defense in the post -- and they still shot around the same percentage from the floor.

>Kobe put the
>team on his back in
>his most important game and
>has came through repeatedly in
>the 4th quarter.

kobe's an excellent player. but imagine how good mcgrady, iverson or carter would look if they didn't have to face constant double-teams.

>Pound
>for pound I still feel
>like Kobe is the best
>guard in the league

personally, i think he's a more exciting version of jerry stackhouse. but on the flip side, bryant is still extremely young and has plenty of untapped potential.


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stackhouse is the best 2 in the in the NBA forget about McMouth

better than Duncan or Shaq. both are more dominant, franchise players. there is no flaws in either of their games (shaq is hittin the FT at the moment), T-Mac often puts up 30 shots a game. i'll take mr. Iverson over T-Mac too, or C-Webb. i think T-Mac is top 10, but not even top 5

PEACE

how u gonna pick Mcgrady over iverson? tru McGrady has done alot with what he got but iverson doesnt have that much more if u really look at it. its kinda like iverson is playin wit a bunch of cba all stars and mcgardy is ballin wit usbl rejects. (except for outlaw miller and armstrong)

if Mutumbo is a CBA reject, nor Mckie or Snow, but the rest are give or take

PEACE

yea i should've excluded mutombo's name but i jus thought that would be obvious, but then again, compared to what most of these cats be sayin on here, im not surprised u thought i included him. aight so excluding mutombo and maybe mckie but i dont know about snow, he might have nba defense but thats the only thing about his game that is worth mentioning

Iverson is my man don't get me wrong. But we are talking about the pound for pound label, not necessarily the MVP. Iverson gives you 30 a night but he has to check the least of the offensive threats on his opponents. Kobe and McGrady are the best defenders on their team and they give you mid twenties every night. None of them have the offensive talent of Iverson, but Iverson can only check the PG and if the PG is good he has trouble stopping him.

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Sorry, maybe I've been asleep. When has Tracy McGrady a.) dominated like Shaq, b.) Totally controlled the scoring of a game like Allen I and c.) Produced a winner. Two years of one-and-out in the playoffs doesn't mean shit to me.

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>When has Tracy McGrady a.)
>dominated like Shaq, b.) Totally
>controlled the scoring of a
>game like Allen I

he just went for 42 - 10 - 8. domination.


>c.) Produced a winner.

ummm how many games did they win this year and who was their second option. give him some help and then you'll be dickriding

>Two years of one-and-out in
>the playoffs doesn't mean shit
>to me.

do you say the same thing about kevin garnet?

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>he just went for 42 -
>10 - 8. domination.

Tony Delk dropped 50 this year. Shall I polish his crown? I mean game-in-game-out obliteration of competition.

>>c.) Produced a winner.
>
>ummm how many games did they
>win this year and who
>was their second option.
>give him some help and
>then you'll be dickriding

Well, MJ may not have been the best in the league without Scottie, HoG and others (That's a stretch, but work with me). Help is kinda required to win games, but as far as I'm concerned, you cannot be the league's best without being a legit title contender. I just cannot equate McGrady with AI, Shaq and Duncan until he brings his team to a more elite level. He may do that shortly, but not right now.

And I'm from T-Dot. I will never dickride McGrady.

>>Two years of one-and-out in
>>the playoffs doesn't mean shit
>>to me.
>
>do you say the same thing
>about kevin garnet?

Yes. He's a solid ballplayer, top 10 in the league, but to call him the best would be a misnomer.

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>>he just went for 42 -
>>10 - 8. domination.
>
>Tony Delk dropped 50 this year.
> Shall I polish his
>crown? I mean game-in-game-out
>obliteration of competition.

yeah thats a solid comparison come back with a better arguement. tmac has been balling all season.

>Well, MJ may not have been
>the best in the league
>without Scottie, HoG and others
>(That's a stretch, but work
>with me). Help is
>kinda required to win games,
>but as far as I'm
>concerned, you cannot be the
>league's best without being a
>legit title contender. I
>just cannot equate McGrady with
>AI, Shaq and Duncan until
>he brings his team to
>a more elite level.


ill give you that. but tracey is soooooo fuckin dope. and hes what 22?

>He may do that shortly,
>but not right now.

word

>>>he just went for 42 -
>>>10 - 8. domination.
>>
>>Tony Delk dropped 50 this year.
>> Shall I polish his
>>crown? I mean game-in-game-out
>>obliteration of competition.
>
>yeah thats a solid comparison come
>back with a better arguement.
> tmac has been balling
>all season.

You gave me a one-game, meaningless statistic and I gave you a one-game, meaningless statistic right back. Yeah, T-Mac has had a solid season, but he does not produce the kind of sprawling offense of Iverson or Shaq in the regular season. As far as the playoffs go, I vastly prefer the play of Ray Allen to McGrady. McGrady's high point totals are a direct result of him taking a huge number (too many?) shots (almost 100). Allen has taken under 50 shots in the playoffs, and yet he's scored 24 a game on 50% three-point shooting and shot over 50% from the field. Allen's assist to turnover ratio is twice as solid as McGrady's. McGrady is scoring more points on quantity than quality IMO. It may be what the Magic need in their current situation, but it doesn't create a winner.


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In a game of giants it's the little guys who claim the most shine nowadays......EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A GUARD(see Garnett),
EVERYBODY WANTS TO DUNK ON BIGMEN, LOSE OPPONENTS WITH SPEED/HOPS INSTEAD OF OVERPOWERING THEM (see EVERY SKINNY PF/C IN THE NBA), EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT FROM THE PERIMETER, (See Van Horn, again GARNETT)

Yet, no one can deal with the BIGMEN (Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Zo, Antonio Davis).

They OVERPOWER YOU, (YEAH SHEED I FEEL YOU, FUCK ALL THAT AND1 DRIBBLING, PUT UP YOUR SHOT OR PASS BITCH!!!!)
They mix up SPEED and POWER in the post (Again see Duncan, or Rasheed)
&
MOST IMPORTANTLY THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE WHO CAN NOT & WILL NOT BE STOPPED IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST OF THEM ALL!!! & QUICK TOO!

So why don't they get luv?!

Because they PICK on the lil guys. THEY BLOCK SHOTS (get that outtta here shorty), THEY SNATCH REBOUNDS (GET UP!!!!!), THEY POWER THEIR WAY TO THE RIM (I am SHAQ, the greatest center in the universe!!!).

If GUARDS had their height and power, don't YOU think they would use them?!

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You have got to be crazy. First, he's NOT a better defender than Kobe or Pippen for that matter (the ONLY thing he can do well) and there is not a player in the league that can "be Jordan". How quickly we forget . . .

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"And that's all I have to say about that . . ." ~ Forrest Gump

Sereiously, there is too MUCH talent in the league right now (ATHLETICALLY EXCELLENT) to assume who is the best. People said this about PENNY. But,

IF U ARE TO PICK ONE SG/SF IN THE LEAGUE WHO WILL BE THE NEXT
IT MUST BE T-MAC.

Reasons:
Kobe is abused in the post.
can't play D like McGrady.
really should consider becoming the next MAGIC because it's SHAQ's team. if he wants it to becme HIS team then he has to ORCHESTRATE AND THREATEN.
isn't as clutch, scorng in the final seconds when doubled, and tripled.
can NOT TAKE DOMINATE AN ENTIRE GAME LIKE JORDAN.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY!!!

Vince can't dribble lefty that well(DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S IN THAT NIKE COMMERCIAL)
can't create off the dribble.
can't score whn double teamed.
can't play d like KOBE.

AI is LIGHTNING QUICK & TOUGH, but TOO SMALL(thank GOD);
INJURY PRONE(which is what I think will stop their team in the playoffs eventually. That or NY TEAM D)
prone to force, & hit shots (remember how I said KOBE should consider ORCHESTRATING AND THREATENING, well AI THREATENS AND ORCHESTRATES) but isn't as smart a shooter as McGrady, double check the season stats:
www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_iverson/index.html?nav=page
VS.
www.nba.com/playerfile/tracy_mcgrady/index.html?nav=page
AI's season fg/3pt fg % finished at .420/.320
while T-Mac finished at finished at .457/.357

So while Vince lacks his (JORDAN'S)speed and dribble creativity, Kobe lacks his ability to takeover and dominate an ENTIRE GAME, and AI
lacks his patience, height and mass, (SOMETHING JORDAN ACQUIRED AFTER TAKING TWO POST SEASON BEATINGS FROM THE PISTONS)

T-MAC POSSESSES or WILL POSSESS THEM ALL!!!

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I'm gonna try to address madd things I saw in this thread here:
Whoever said McGrady isn't a better defender than Kobe hasn't been watching the same league as the majority of America. McGrady is a better defender than Kobe, bar none.

Whoever said that they need to be on a legit title contender...man that's some bullshit. I can't agree with that one bit...that's like saying Abdur-Rahim, or Paul Pierce aren't good because their team sucks. You could've said the same for Mike in his first years in the league. Grant Hill was on playoff bound Piston teams, but never a contender...I wouldn't (as would most cats) say that he isn't one of the top ten players in the league.

And whoever said that T-Mac only had one good game in the playoffs, he's had good games ever since he's been in the playoffs (including last year, which was his first time)

> Sereiously, there is
>too MUCH talent in the
>league right now (ATHLETICALLY EXCELLENT)
>to assume who is the
>best. People said this
>about PENNY. But,
Penny is one of my favorite players, and he's abused Kobe as well as Mike. Could he have the same success against T-Mac, who knows

> IF U ARE
>TO PICK ONE SG/SF IN
>THE LEAGUE WHO WILL BE
>THE NEXT
IT MUST BE
>T-MAC.
Only time will tell, however, he is busting stupendous ass

> Reasons:
> Kobe is abused
>in the post.
> can't play D
>like McGrady.
I'll agree with this one...I haven't seen T-Mac get lit up like I have seen Kobe get waxed...Bonzi Wells is a name that immediately comes to mind...but if people want others, I've seen Kobe get lit up by
Payton, Steve Smith, Penny Hardaway (last year's playoffs), Allan Houston, Michael Finley...to name a few

> really should consider
>becoming the next MAGIC because
>it's SHAQ's team. if
>he wants it to become
>HIS team then he has
>to ORCHESTRATE AND THREATEN.
That's not Kobe's fault though...It's Shaq's team, but Kobe's the best player on Shaq's team. He CAN orchestrate and threaten, but that's not part of the team's philosophy...he had to tone down his game for the greater good of the team, and that's not fair to Kobe.

> isn't as clutch,
>scorng in the final seconds
>when doubled, and
>tripled.
I can't agree with that. I've seen Kobe put the cobra clutch on teams, and break their hearts plenty of times, regardless of double-teams. You don't gonna like him (neither do I), but you gotta respect his ability to perform in crunch time

> can NOT TAKE
>DOMINATE AN ENTIRE GAME LIKE
>JORDAN.
A lot of players in the league today can take over a game, that includes McGrady and Kobe
> I DON'T CARE
>WHAT YOU SAY!!!
Nobody's like Mike, but they got skills, ya gotta give credit where credit is due

> Vince can't dribble
>lefty that well(DON'T KNOW WHY
>HE'S IN THAT NIKE COMMERCIAL)
can't create off the dribble.
>can't score when double teamed.
can't play d like KOBE.
Vince, Vince, Vince. People still like picking on Vince. Vince can create off the dribble, he's one of the best off-balance shooters in the league, the guy knows how to improvise. He's made a short, stellar career of scoring off double-teams, sometimes jumping over them. He has problems against the Knicks, so people crucify him. I don't think that's fair to call out Vince, because he's got his problems with the Knicks...you can say the same things about Tim Hardaway

> AI is LIGHTNING
>QUICK & TOUGH, but TOO
>SMALL(thank GOD);
> INJURY PRONE(which
>is what I think will
>stop their team in the
>playoffs eventually. That or
>NY TEAM D)
NY Team D can lock up a lot of people

> prone to
>force, & hit shots (remember
>how I said KOBE should
>consider ORCHESTRATING AND THREATENING, well
>AI THREATENS AND ORCHESTRATES) but
>isn't as smart a shooter
>as McGrady, double check the
>season stats:
That's debatable...I'll agree that Ivy's shot selection is questionable at times, but all three can take over a game without question. I wouldn't say Iverson isn't as smart a shooter, I'd argue that Tracy is more consistent

So while Vince lacks his (JORDAN'S)speed and
>dribble creativity, Kobe lacks his
>ability to takeover and dominate
>an ENTIRE GAME, and AI lacks his patience, height and mass,
>(SOMETHING JORDAN ACQUIRED AFTER TAKING
>TWO POST SEASON BEATINGS FROM
>THE PISTONS) T-MAC POSSESSES
>or WILL POSSESS THEM ALL!!!
That's yet to be seen, let's see what happens
And I know that all those comments don't apply to you, don't worry about what you ain't say.

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True, I don't like Kobe...
Should I respect his ability to damage opponents...hmmmm, maybe.
BUT THIS CHANGES NOTHING!!!!!!

T-Mac WILL be the best SG!!!!!!

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let's not 4get iverson.....he leads the league in steals, scoring, and his team is playing better overall because of his leadership....who's been better than that this year?....not kobe and not t-mac....and u still gotta ask who's better?

1 - McGrady had the highest scoring average EVER for a player 21 or younger. (By his LONESOME for all of the Kevin Garnett Fans, who bitch about him not having help.)

2 - Going into tonights game......McGrady was averaging 36.7 ppg 8.3 asst and 7.7 reb a game so far in the playoffs, while holding Glenn "Puppy Dog" Robinson to 14ppg and .310 fg pct.

McGrady's the best two in the league. I'm sorry, Kobe's not putting up numbers like that without Shaq.

And Kobe, AIN'T the defender everyone's making him out to be.

He won't make all defense this year, after Marbury dropped 50 on his ass this year, and Iverson dropped 40. (If he does I'm screaming schenannigans!) He stays in foul trouble when he's attacked. (See Bonzi Wells torching him last year, and the fact that the Lakers had to double team him and Steve Smith in the post with Kobe guarding them)

And he doesn't even guard the opposing teams biggest perimeter threat anymore. (Jalen Rose averaged in upwards of 30 a game in the finals last year, and he wouldn't guard Reggie Miller.)

Kobe's good.....but McGrady he is not. And McGrady's younger.

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Would I take him over Vince? Yes, no question. But there is still Iverson, CWebb, Shaq and a couple others that would still get drafted higher if I was running the show. Spree, KG, Duncan and yes Kobe. Fact is I wins are wins. Penny had a team of bums down there and got them within 5 points of outing Miami a few years back. Granted the Bucks have more talent and it's a different team but.... Maybe the same reason I thought Doc Rivers had an amazing season last year and is a great coach but I would never have given him Coach of the Year over Phil Jackson when he didn't even make the playoffs. And as far your Kobe comparison it's simply easier to be TMac than Kobe right now. TMac is the Magic. Doc has given him free reign. They have nothing to lose and the man can wild out all day e-y day. Kobe has to work within a tight system, under Phil, on a team trying to repeat as champions and play on NBC every f-ing week. Come on dog, don't underestimate that kind of pressure.

One,
BTW

T-Mac is 22. Give him one or 2 more years. How old was Penny when he lifted the Magic? around 23 and 24. What does this say? Nothing. Hahahaha... but you can assume that T-Mac's gonna blow shit up next year. All bullshit aside, T-Mac has the ability to be one of the best. We all can agree on that. Who else here misses Penny? That man was shooting over 50% while averaging over 20 points and over 7 assists! DAMN! He lived up to the hype... till all those fuckin injuries. All I'm saying is... don't hurt yourself T-Mac. On a side note, the best 2 defender is EDDIE JONES.

SPREE over T-Mac??? I love Latrell's game, esp. his ability to lead, but that's just ridiculous. Besides, that's just where they stand now. T-Money's just getting started, who know's where he's headed?