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"The Official 2016 NBA Prospect Thread 4 Thruthiness and Justivity"


  

          

This weekend not only marks the deadline passing for players to decide to stay in the draft or return to school, but also marks the fifth anniversary of Basa making the first Thruthiness and Justivity thread.

As he said five years ago:

"i'm listing all the prospects in this thread...and all you gotta do is reply with your opinion on them. that's all i'm asking. it can be detailed or you can simply say "he gonna be good" or "he gonna be sorry." bottomline is NOBODY is gonna get to pretend they thought someone was good or sorry anymore and have the thread fall outta evidence/existence. nah, dogg. we going on record for real. because bammas on this board STAY LYING!

and if you don't contribute and try to cuban B this thread...GOOD...i don't have to respect or acknowledge your opinion about ANY player from this draft."

So you know the drill. I'll list the prospects, you list your thoughts, as detailed or as basic as you want. As meticulously bias-free as possible or as blindly agenda-driven as you want.

Get on record before these guys play a single NBA game as to how you think they'll pan out. Stake claims, "buy stock," etc.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Ben Simmons
May 26th 2016
1
all-star by year 3...never a #1 option...slightly better odom
May 26th 2016
9
^^^I'm here with it...said it that rankings post
May 27th 2016
84
agreed
Jun 01st 2016
153
Yeah, I can't come up with a better subject line than this.
Jun 21st 2016
164
Perennial all star
May 26th 2016
37
he gonna be better than good
May 26th 2016
38
Floor: sticking with athletic young Diaw
May 26th 2016
43
Diaw has a mean post game, haven't seen anything from Simmons
Jun 22nd 2016
189
      That post up game didn't come until he got fat though.
Jun 22nd 2016
192
           He was in the best shape of his life in '05-'06
Jun 22nd 2016
196
Upside: Better Odom. Downside: Tyreke Evans-ish
May 26th 2016
55
Absolute worst case scenario, he's Rudy Gay
May 26th 2016
59
Rudy can actually shoot, he just takes bad shots
Jun 22nd 2016
190
Cocaine-free Lamar Odom
May 27th 2016
98
If he gets that jumper he's a top 15 player
May 27th 2016
102
depends on his attitude. Seems like a spoiled brat.
May 27th 2016
104
What gets me is THIS... yet on the other hand, he's an unselfish player
May 28th 2016
133
Fuck it, I'll go all in...
May 31st 2016
142
Cyses aside, the obvious number 1 pick
May 31st 2016
152
Esp considering your lack of a primary ball-handler and play-maker
Jun 01st 2016
158
Yeah...
Jun 01st 2016
159
Y'all better hope he doesn't end up being a bigger/stronger Duck Sauce
Jun 22nd 2016
193
he's an obvious all-star level starter. that's it.
Jun 23rd 2016
230
All-Star within 2 years.. will be 16/8/5/1/1 as a rookie
Jun 02nd 2016
160
Most tools of any player in the draft. Star but not a superstar.
Jun 22nd 2016
204
Brandon Ingram
May 26th 2016
2
slightly below KD...All-defense player...future MVP winner.
May 26th 2016
12
greatness in the making
May 26th 2016
39
Not a star. But better than say a Morris Twin.
May 26th 2016
46
Everything I thought Stro Swift would've become, just smaller
May 26th 2016
60
Upside: Paul George. Downside: Gallinari
May 26th 2016
63
^^^I'm in this arena
May 27th 2016
83
Not a good comp IMO, PG's shooting had to catch up with his defense
May 30th 2016
136
      I think he meant what Ingram can become, not what he is now.
May 30th 2016
137
           Yeah i still don't view PG as a pure shooter...
May 31st 2016
151
a little better than peak Rashard Lewis
May 26th 2016
74
I'd take him in a heartbeat
May 27th 2016
103
He's like a less athletic Giannis w/ a jump shot
Jun 22nd 2016
195
Like his potential more than Ben Simmons.
May 27th 2016
129
RE: Brandon Ingram
May 31st 2016
143
Rashard Lewis
Jun 07th 2016
161
Didn't want to comment w/o having enough of a sample
Jun 20th 2016
163
Cosign all of this. Highest basement of any player in the draft.
Jun 21st 2016
165
      The fit is what really excites me
Jun 22nd 2016
199
I buy the Rashard Lewis comparisons, but has more heart.
Jun 22nd 2016
205
he weighs 190 pounds
Jun 23rd 2016
221
      Does that mean you think he'll bust?
Jun 23rd 2016
229
Jamal Murray
May 26th 2016
3
he ain't nothing but a less dumb rodney stuckey
May 26th 2016
28
Best player in the draft. Brandon Knight with better handle...
May 26th 2016
44
If he's the best player it's a really bad draft
May 27th 2016
105
Being that Knight with a better handle, more range, more..
May 27th 2016
110
      He's gonna be 3rd best on an Eastern Conference 6th seed
May 27th 2016
111
           Not sure how you came up with that logic BUT
May 27th 2016
112
                Suns are shit with him as the number 2
May 27th 2016
113
                     Suns are shit cuz him and Bledsoe get hurt.
May 27th 2016
118
Agenda Closed. Thanks!
Dec 30th 2018
270
Sky high potential, I'm assuming he'll be a 2 in the NBA
May 26th 2016
57
Upside: Brandon Roy Dowside: OJ Mayo
May 26th 2016
72
^^^I can see this too
May 27th 2016
85
Sounds about right, I think he is closer to Mayo though
Jun 22nd 2016
206
borderline All Star
May 26th 2016
73
Love him. Make him a 2 guard.
Jun 21st 2016
167
      I also think he is a two, why waste his scoring/make him manage games?
Jun 23rd 2016
235
Kris Dunn
May 26th 2016
4
what crittendon shoulda been...star. top 3 PG by year 5.
May 26th 2016
34
Word?
Dec 30th 2018
272
he's legit.....All Star
May 26th 2016
50
Solid player, starter on a bad team/backup on a good one
May 26th 2016
61
Upside: Terrell Brandon Downside: current Shaun Livingston
May 26th 2016
65
You killin' it SH...I'm going with Brandon (hopefully injury free)
May 27th 2016
86
He's already 3X as explosive as Terrell Brandon ever was.
May 27th 2016
99
A slightly smaller D-Wade. Futuristic point god.
May 27th 2016
97
Watered-down Russell Westbrook.
May 27th 2016
101
Weird how everyone is dinging Dunn on the 2 most teachable traits
May 31st 2016
149
      To answer your question, if you're interested:
Jun 21st 2016
168
      sounds like a smaller Marcus Smart, he still can't shoot.
Jun 22nd 2016
183
Homeslice. Bigger D-Lill
May 27th 2016
106
Gonna cost someone their job
May 27th 2016
107
This is definitely the worst case scenario.
May 27th 2016
116
      As someone whose teams stock and trade is PG's with high and low ceiling...
May 27th 2016
117
           Thibs can handle that
May 30th 2016
138
not as impressed w him as others...
May 31st 2016
148
Not sure if I love him but I like him. Built for the NBA, seems pretty t...
Jun 22nd 2016
207
Some of y'all gonna eat some ass. Dude about to be elite.
Dec 26th 2017
Some of y'all gonna eat some ass. Dude about to be elite.
Dec 26th 2017
267
      lolz
Dec 26th 2017
268
           David Aldridge speaking the Dunn language
Dec 26th 2017
269
Buddy Hield
May 26th 2016
5
he ain't nothing but jeff malone with younger cells.
May 26th 2016
32
he gonna be decent
May 26th 2016
40
Floor: JJ Redick. Ceiling: CJ McCollum.
May 26th 2016
45
CJ has excellent handles & a herky-jerky game, Ceiling: Ben Gordon
Jun 22nd 2016
198
Generic 2 Guard. Probably has an Eric Gordon post injury career
May 26th 2016
47
I could see this, might be in the Gordon ball park
May 27th 2016
87
      Gordon was unstoppable driving to the rack when he was healthy
Jun 22nd 2016
197
           I remember Guinness tryna roast me for a Gordon/Harden comparison
Jun 23rd 2016
237
Somewhere between a Terrence Ross and a broke man's Klay
May 26th 2016
54
Downside: Leandro Barbosa
May 26th 2016
58
Brad Beal 2.0
May 27th 2016
127
Decent product of the Steph Curry Halo effect
May 30th 2016
139
Solid bet for a team that wants to know what it's getting
Jun 22nd 2016
208
Jaylen Brown
May 26th 2016
6
dumber than stanley....you figure it out.
May 26th 2016
35
Not a basketball player...
May 26th 2016
51
RE: Not a basketball player...
May 31st 2016
144
Latest member of the Should've Went to UK Club
May 26th 2016
52
Not even that high on him, but I'M BUYING IN
May 26th 2016
64
Them's fightin' words!
May 26th 2016
82
Upside: Jason Richardson Downside: Ben McLemore
May 26th 2016
67
Can't call it
May 27th 2016
88
There's nothing that I like very much.
May 27th 2016
100
He's a kind of guy who I wonder if there was no HS hype...
May 27th 2016
115
      This is what I thought about Shabazz Muhammad when he was coming out
May 27th 2016
123
           Shabazz was the opposite of Brown, tho.
May 27th 2016
126
no agent, deemed "too smart", Isiah is his advisor, chose Cal ...
May 30th 2016
134
Really hard to say. His body is perfect. His game... isn't.
May 30th 2016
135
Has the tools bot no toolbox. McLemore comparison seems about right
Jun 22nd 2016
209
Dragan Bender
May 26th 2016
7
dunno and don't care...unless i need to
May 26th 2016
33
Subpar Zingis imitation
May 26th 2016
66
Upside: Detlef Schrempf Downside: Yi Jianlian
May 26th 2016
68
I think Boston is the best situation for him of anyone in the top 5
May 26th 2016
76
      I like Phoenix better. Lower expectations to start.
May 26th 2016
78
if he slips to like 10, why not roll the dice?
Jun 22nd 2016
210
Henry Ellenson
May 26th 2016
8
no less than 5th best player in draft. double-double guy.
May 26th 2016
31
Worth a flyer
May 27th 2016
109
Whoever drafts him is getting a steal, imo. Diet Coke Kevin Love.
May 30th 2016
140
RE: Henry Ellenson
May 31st 2016
145
Skal Labissiere
May 26th 2016
10
channing frye without the 3rd act
May 26th 2016
30
Ceiling: borderline All Star Sheed type
May 26th 2016
48
I'm with you, but lower ceiling and higher basement.
Jun 21st 2016
169
Serviceable journeyman
Jun 01st 2016
155
One Haitian under a groove, shootin' 3s just forrrrrr the fuck of it
Jun 23rd 2016
245
Denzel Valentine
May 26th 2016
11
Best case- poor man's Gordon Hayward
May 26th 2016
71
Best case- poor man's Jalen Rose
Jun 22nd 2016
200
super glue guy...what lance stephenson shoulda been. 14,6,5 prime
May 27th 2016
91
He's not as athletic as stephenson
May 27th 2016
96
      I prefer "a better, longer Greivis Vasquez."
Jun 21st 2016
170
      lance earthboud as fuck and not that quick. c'mon.
Jun 23rd 2016
231
           But still quicker than Valentine...so that's telling
Jun 23rd 2016
255
Won't be good
Jun 22nd 2016
187
at best a super-sub, has limitations though
Jun 23rd 2016
252
Potentially a very good sixth man
Jun 22nd 2016
211
Jakob Poeltl
May 26th 2016
13
Luc Longley and Andrew Bogut are the only comparisons I can think of
May 26th 2016
62
Big off the bench. He'll stick, but he's not a star.
May 30th 2016
141
He's okay. Maybe a starter. Will play a long time, barring injury.
Jun 23rd 2016
232
Bammer version of Cody Zeller
Jun 23rd 2016
250
Marquese Chriss
May 26th 2016
14
Ceiling: Ibaka with better handles/offense.
May 26th 2016
56
Didn't see much of the guy... but not sure I liked what I saw.
Jun 20th 2016
162
as a UW alum/fan - my thoughts:
Jun 22nd 2016
180
Bust potential is there but boom potential makes him appealing
Jun 22nd 2016
214
Domantas Sabonis
May 26th 2016
15
Solid backup and rotation player on a good team
May 26th 2016
42
Seems like a nice backup. Maybe a Kris Humphries type.
May 26th 2016
79
Starter. Savvy offensive-minded big.
Jun 21st 2016
171
Very solid pro, you win with players like this guy. I'll take his stock
Jun 22nd 2016
213
system player...get him in the right system and he beasts
Jun 23rd 2016
238
      Exactly, which I why I do NOT want him in Sac
Jun 23rd 2016
247
Wade Baldwin
May 26th 2016
16
George Hill
Jun 01st 2016
157
Needs to go to the right place, or he'll end up stuck as a backup.
Jun 21st 2016
172
I like him. He's a championship guard. Not a star, but solid.
Jun 23rd 2016
240
Demetrius Jackson
May 26th 2016
17
productive backup PG that sticks around
May 26th 2016
77
See Wade Baldwin's subject line.
Jun 21st 2016
173
This is the only player that would make me happy as a Pistons fan
Jun 23rd 2016
218
Very good backup on a very good team. Not a starter.
Jun 23rd 2016
236
Tyler Ulis
May 26th 2016
18
at worst 3rd guard, J.J. Barea type.
May 26th 2016
49
standard cerebral goomba...backup on a good team.
May 27th 2016
93
I think he'll carve out a good career, TJ Ford minus injuries
May 27th 2016
95
Aaron Brooks ish
Jun 01st 2016
156
Brooks was solely a scoring guard, Ulis is a pass first PG
Jun 22nd 2016
201
A natural point. Backup at worst.
Jun 21st 2016
174
He'll do a nice job running someone's second unit
Jun 23rd 2016
254
Taurean Prince
May 26th 2016
19
A valuable role player. Does everything well.
Jun 22nd 2016
175
Crowder 2.0
Jun 22nd 2016
202
Typical bamma. Blah. Who cares.
Jun 23rd 2016
241
Malik Beasley
May 26th 2016
20
A slept-on talent. If he went to a blue blood, he'd be a lotto pick.
Jun 22nd 2016
176
wish the cavs could get him somehow...he gon be nice.
Jun 23rd 2016
242
Cheick Diallo
May 26th 2016
21
Going to get someone fired if he goes lotto
May 26th 2016
70
I really think he could be the draft riser this year.
May 26th 2016
75
High-energy guy who'll play tough defense and clean the glass.
Jun 22nd 2016
178
i want nothing to do with him. good luck to everyone who buys in
Jun 23rd 2016
243
Damian Jones
May 26th 2016
22
All the physical tools... but I can't bet on him.
Jun 22nd 2016
181
i want nothing to do with him.
Jun 23rd 2016
244
Brice Johnson
May 26th 2016
23
Nerls
Jun 01st 2016
154
Bench guy. Should probably stick.
Jun 22nd 2016
177
typical UNC gumby. davis, henson, wright, mcadoo, now him.
Jun 23rd 2016
246
Looks good on paper but doesn't wow me, just a guy. 8th/9th man
Jun 23rd 2016
253
DeAndre Bembry
May 26th 2016
24
Decent bench player. Is a winner, but is not a shooter. Versatile.
Jun 23rd 2016
239
Thon Maker
May 26th 2016
25
after taking an atomic L on perry jones III, i'm calling SCRUB
May 27th 2016
90
This years Christian Wood (hype wise) but the 'good' version
May 27th 2016
92
100% on where he goes.
May 27th 2016
114
Future All-Star. nm
May 27th 2016
121
Seems now he's 21 or 23...
Jun 23rd 2016
251
Diamond Stone
May 26th 2016
26
Best case, another Myles Turner
May 26th 2016
69
he wishes he were even slighly as athletic as myles
May 27th 2016
89
      I really think he should've come back for another year
May 27th 2016
124
Dud
May 27th 2016
108
Inclined to agree.
May 27th 2016
119
      Draymond would lock him up
May 27th 2016
120
I don't believe in him.
May 27th 2016
130
Solid 14 and 8 guy in about two years
Jun 22nd 2016
188
I would be very very impressed.
Jun 22nd 2016
194
Has a stripper's name and his stock is falling for a reason
Jun 23rd 2016
248
Malachi Richardson
May 26th 2016
27
eventual starter and 15-17 ppg or so scorer
May 26th 2016
41
Word?
Dec 30th 2018
271
      Well, uh...umm...he’s only 22 and on Toronto.
Dec 30th 2018
275
Upside: Khris Middleton Downside: Tim Hardaway Jr.
May 26th 2016
53
^^^I can see this...I liked his game in the tourney
May 27th 2016
94
RE: Malachi Richardson
May 31st 2016
146
Needs to be a better shooter to stick.
Jun 22nd 2016
179
Should be noted that he shot 42% from 3 in ACC play
Jun 22nd 2016
184
      Yet shot under 70% from the FT line and 37% from 2 in ACC play.
Jun 22nd 2016
185
           mid range doesn't matter #analyticzzzz #NBAJam #3'sorLayups
Jun 23rd 2016
260
taking an agenda flier on this one. 'cuse is due. he mine!
Jun 23rd 2016
234
      NOPE! I got a long memory
Jun 23rd 2016
261
           cool. i'm out. he gon be sorry.
Jun 26th 2016
265
                Hilarious
Dec 30th 2018
273
                     Lmao, don’t even remember that but well played
Dec 30th 2018
274
                          I didn’t remember either. Just jumped out at me
Dec 30th 2018
276
Timothe Luwawu
May 26th 2016
29
gimme two minutes...*opens new tab to youtube*
Jun 23rd 2016
249
there he goes
May 26th 2016
36
Dejounte Murray
May 26th 2016
80
literallly a Jamal Crawford clone.
May 26th 2016
81
      That is very high praise...
May 27th 2016
128
           it's true though.
May 27th 2016
132
                Jamal was a better shooter in college, too.
Jun 22nd 2016
186
                     yeah. i agree. i didn't get my thoughts out clearly there.
Jun 22nd 2016
191
these comps aren't hilarious enough. paging FILF and that ruth.
May 27th 2016
122
Ruth may be banned still.
May 27th 2016
125
RE: Ruth may be banned still.
May 27th 2016
131
What Truth get banned for?
May 31st 2016
147
does POOPINCHICAGO follow college hoops like that?
May 31st 2016
150
      lol... he's not banned
Jun 21st 2016
166
I can't even fake it I don't know shit about any of these dudes, I proba...
Jun 22nd 2016
182
I went in on Okafor last year & was proven right **sips tea**
Jun 22nd 2016
203
      Glad we can reach blanket conclusions on 19-year-olds!
Jun 22nd 2016
212
      Last I checked the #1 overall pick in 2013 was out of the league at 21
Jun 22nd 2016
215
           So Jah will be out of the league in two years. Noted.
Jun 22nd 2016
216
           17 & 7 at 19 could only be made into "bust" in analytics era.
Jun 23rd 2016
219
                Bargs averaged 21, I guess he wasn' a bust
Jun 23rd 2016
225
                     If he'd done it his rookie year, he wouldn't be.
Jun 23rd 2016
227
                          Bargs was a rookie on a playoff team not the worst team in the league
Jun 23rd 2016
256
                               So you're sticking with "Okafor is a bust." Got it.
Jun 23rd 2016
258
      What were you proven right about?
Jun 23rd 2016
220
           http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=24322...
Jun 23rd 2016
223
                Im not seeing it but whatever.
Jun 23rd 2016
226
                     There is no hiding from it, your ass was in the thread
Jun 23rd 2016
233
This is a depressing draft. Also, no one is checking for Deyonta Davis?
Jun 23rd 2016
217
I meant to post him. I really like the potential.
Jun 23rd 2016
222
      RE: I meant to post him. I really like the potential.
Jun 23rd 2016
224
           Any contender would love to have him, IMO.
Jun 23rd 2016
228
Ante Zizic, a.k.a. ANTE UP, a.k.a. DAT ZIZIC.
Jun 23rd 2016
257
AJ Hammons
Jun 23rd 2016
259
Michael Gbinije
Jun 26th 2016
262
Good player in a tough situation numbers wise
Jun 26th 2016
263
Yup...would love to see him stick with them because I like that team's p...
Jun 26th 2016
264
He'll have to be elite at one thing to stick.
Jun 26th 2016
266

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1. "Ben Simmons"
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9. "all-star by year 3...never a #1 option...slightly better odom"
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84. "^^^I'm here with it...said it that rankings post"
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164. "Yeah, I can't come up with a better subject line than this."
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While I have concerns about the jumper, the defense, and the attitude, they're outweighed by what he brings to the table.

However, when you consider that LSU was godawful defensively and really bad at shooting the 3, and you see how Simmons reacted... and then you consider that the Sixers are godawful defensively and really bad at shooting the 3... put it this way, he is not the type of player that will do it himself.

(Which is really why trading for the 3rd pick and picking Murray would be a great strategy for them, as he's a hell of a shooter, a scrappy defender, and he's far from shy about tossing up the rock-- he can be the scorer to Simmons' creator.)

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37. "Perennial all star"
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A more athletic Billy Owens, or a more athletic but not as good of an outside shooter Lamar Odom, in terms of player comparisons. But he'll be better than them.

  

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38. "he gonna be better than good"
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43. "Floor: sticking with athletic young Diaw "
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Ceiling: slightly better than focused Odom

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189. "Diaw has a mean post game, haven't seen anything from Simmons"
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192. "That post up game didn't come until he got fat though. "
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196. "He was in the best shape of his life in '05-'06"
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55. "Upside: Better Odom. Downside: Tyreke Evans-ish"
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I was gonna go with Joe Smith but 'Reke is the better comparison because like Simmons, he's a guy who kind of needs the ball in his hands to be most effective but probably won't be the lead dog on a winning team.

But Simmons should watch the Greek Freak to get some pointers on how to maximize his skillset in the NBA.

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59. "Absolute worst case scenario, he's Rudy Gay"
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190. "Rudy can actually shoot, he just takes bad shots"
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98. "Cocaine-free Lamar Odom"
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102. "If he gets that jumper he's a top 15 player"
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Was a little worried he couldn't drag LSU to the tourney but he's a stud
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104. "depends on his attitude. Seems like a spoiled brat."
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133. "What gets me is THIS... yet on the other hand, he's an unselfish player"
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Really hard to make out anything given these contradictions.

  

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142. "Fuck it, I'll go all in..."
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Absolute stud. All-star by year 3. All-NBA by year 4-5.

He's mine. Own the stock.

  

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152. "Cyses aside, the obvious number 1 pick"
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158. "Esp considering your lack of a primary ball-handler and play-maker "
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Ingram is no slouch in those two regards either but those two things still tilt towards Ben. I think the top 2 picks (Ben and Brandon) fit the weaknesses of the two respective teams very well.

Also was reading an article from last summer at a camp where Simmons was guarding both Harden and AD...teams were raving about his defensive ability. Obviously the key with him imo is surrounding him with the proper team culture and environment to maintain that motivation.

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159. "Yeah..."
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The rest of this is a waste of time.

I like ingram too. But this is the no-brainer of all no-brainers.

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193. "Y'all better hope he doesn't end up being a bigger/stronger Duck Sauce"
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Drafting ball handlers w/ a broken jump shots have been a disaster for the franchise.

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230. "he's an obvious all-star level starter. that's it. "
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160. "All-Star within 2 years.. will be 16/8/5/1/1 as a rookie"
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204. "Most tools of any player in the draft. Star but not a superstar."
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I think his career will be somewhat similar to Shawn Marion's if we are looking for a comparison in terms of levels of success.

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2. "Brandon Ingram"
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12. "slightly below KD...All-defense player...future MVP winner. "
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39. "greatness in the making"
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Hope to see him achieve that greatness in the purple and gold.

  

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46. "Not a star. But better than say a Morris Twin."
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60. "Everything I thought Stro Swift would've become, just smaller"
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63. "Upside: Paul George. Downside: Gallinari"
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Was gonna go with Peak Danny Granger but George seemed like better fit.

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83. "^^^I'm in this arena"
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136. "Not a good comp IMO, PG's shooting had to catch up with his defense"
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Ingram is the opposite, he enters the league with the rep of being a knockdown outside shooter already with the potential of becoming a great defender too

  

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137. "I think he meant what Ingram can become, not what he is now."
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Presumably he meant Ingram could be a 20+/7/4 guy who plays strong defense and helps lead his team to deep playoff runs, multiple time All-Star, etc.

Though I agree, Ingram should be a better shooter than George day one, and considering George still has never been known as a stellar outside shooter, I think it raises Ingram's ceiling to potentially above George's (though he'd have to catch up to George's defense/strength to actually pass him).

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151. "Yeah i still don't view PG as a pure shooter..."
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But then again if Ingram even approaches PG's All-NBA-worthy defensive level then the Lakers (presumably) will be overjoyed.

  

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74. "a little better than peak Rashard Lewis"
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103. "I'd take him in a heartbeat"
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Should be really really good
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195. "He's like a less athletic Giannis w/ a jump shot"
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129. "Like his potential more than Ben Simmons. "
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143. "RE: Brandon Ingram"
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Better Rashard Lewis. Gets to a couple All-Star games, Maybe All-NBA 3rd teamer here or there. I don't think he ever realizes his full defensive potential or turns into elite level offense player.

  

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161. "Rashard Lewis"
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163. "Didn't want to comment w/o having enough of a sample"
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Have watched a lot of game tape on him these last few weeks. All in all, he's going to be very good because of his physical attributes combined with his skill-set combined with his mentality.

Physical attributes are the most obvious: 6'9" with a standing reach of over 9'1 (same as Drummond! Incredible) and moves very well for a dude that size. People talk about his weight but I will address that further, a lot of it stemming from typical lazy "analysis". His length and relative speed make him extremely versatile defender, he can shut down space very quickly and we have seen how important that is in a league which continues to evolve toward spacing as priority #1.

Skill-set: First and foremost, the jumper. Great balance on it, consistent release, extremely high release and he can shoot it out of multiple looks...spotting up, off the dribble, off the dribble on a spin, etc. Secondly, his footwork particularly on his triple threat....he utilizes pump-fakes and jab steps extremely well and exposes defender's top foot and then he uses that long first stride to get over it and beat them into the paint. I am concerned about his ability to consistently get into the paint but imo as his jumper becomes feared and with his ability to play off the ball, he will have a lot of driving lanes. Thirdly, and this is addressing the weight part, he is not afraid of contact. When he gets into the lane, he has consistently shown that he will utilize his body to create space and when you have defender's off-balance, you don't need sheer strength. He will add bulk as every 18 year old does but imo this is such an overblown lazy criticism, I'd be far more worried if he was afraid of contact. Fourthly, he can handle the ball and is a willing passer. Just versatile for days which is such a boon for any team.

Mentality: This kid is humble and just wants to play team-ball. From all his comments to his actions on the court (particularly the emotion after Duke was eliminated), you can see his commitment and discipline. He has that intangible when it comes to team culture.

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165. "Cosign all of this. Highest basement of any player in the draft."
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Because not only is he terrific at many things, he really isn't bad at anything. He doesn't have the insane upside of some of the freaks in this draft, but he doesn't have a single real red flag either.

The only thing anyone could be concerned about is the frame, but he went from 169 at the end of his HS senior year to 195 now. I'm really not concerned about his ability to fill out similar to how Durant did. At all.

And Los Angeles would be the *perfect* location for him. He'll put up terrific numbers immediately, and why they may not be as gaudy as some rookies on teams with less talent (Simmons-- and if he lands in Philly too, Murray-- will put up a lot of stats), Ingram will immediately be in the thick of the ROY race, even if players in the East are more likely to beat him to an All-Star bid.

Diet Coke Kevin Durant is really reductive, but I can't think of a better way to describe dude. He shoots, he isn't shy about driving into contact, he's committed on defense and long as fuck, he's insanely fast, he's a smart passer and ballhandler, his IQ and feel for the game are really high... like, I don't know what else to say about him. The skeptics better pray he never reaches 220-225 lbs.

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199. "The fit is what really excites me "
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Clarkson, Randle, and particularly DLo are all excellent passers who can play multiple positions...throw Ingram into the mix with his versatility, spacing ability, and his team mindset...combined with a coach in Luke who will be stressing a cohesive cuture, willingness to pass, team sacrifice, and positionless basketball...it's such a great fit. I cannot wait.

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205. "I buy the Rashard Lewis comparisons, but has more heart. "
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He will play longer than Lewis did, at least at a high level.

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221. "he weighs 190 pounds"
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229. "Does that mean you think he'll bust?"
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28. "he ain't nothing but a less dumb rodney stuckey"
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44. "Best player in the draft. Brandon Knight with better handle..."
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and better range and more consistent jumper. Franchise player.

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105. "If he's the best player it's a really bad draft"
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Knight with better handle still isn't very good
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110. "Being that Knight with a better handle, more range, more.."
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consistent jumper is a yearly All-Star, I'll take it.

That would look like 6'5 Dame Lillard who tries on defense.

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111. "He's gonna be 3rd best on an Eastern Conference 6th seed"
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That's what an improved Knight is
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112. "Not sure how you came up with that logic BUT"
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I do know your team has been trash since they traded Brandon Knight.

So there's that.

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113. "Suns are shit with him as the number 2"
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Murray will be better than him,cause it doesn't take much, but I don't see an All-Star or Franchise player
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118. "Suns are shit cuz him and Bledsoe get hurt. "
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270. "Agenda Closed. Thanks!"
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57. "Sky high potential, I'm assuming he'll be a 2 in the NBA"
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Obviously going to depend on what the coach of whoever drafts him thinks is his position. Quicker and more athletic CJ McCollum.

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72. "Upside: Brandon Roy Dowside: OJ Mayo"
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Kind of like him in the Klay role: #2 guard, third best player on the team.

At worst, I think he can kick around the league as a backup tweener guard.

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85. "^^^I can see this too"
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206. "Sounds about right, I think he is closer to Mayo though"
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73. "borderline All Star"
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might make one or two. Mostly slightly below that level, but consistently productive.

  

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167. "Love him. Make him a 2 guard."
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He could go combo with time, but why even bother? The kid has scoring instincts better than any guard prospect since Kyrie. He's not just an empty gunner too-- he's a hell of a shooter. He's pressed at times-- but so are all of the gifted scorers. Dude shot 41% from 3 on nearly 8 attempts per game as a fucking 18 year old. I'm betting on that all fucking day long.

He's not an elite athlete, could be faster, more explosive, etc... but frankly, I don't give too much of a shit about that. Dude goes. His defense got a lot better as the year went on too. Love the swagger, love the work ethic. I wouldn't think twice about taking him with the third pick. Worst case scenario, he's a Sixth Man of the Year gunner type who kicks second units in the balls. Best case scenario, he's an All-Star guard.

And if he lands in Philly, where he'd be the only shooter on the fucking roster, I wouldn't be surprised to see gaudy (if less efficient) numbers Year 1. Wouldn't be surprised if he took 14-16 shots per game on that squad.

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235. "I also think he is a two, why waste his scoring/make him manage games?"
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I guess some would say he is not tall enough to be a full-time 2 but I think that is overrated. A 6'3" guy who can play is better than a 6'6" guy who can't. That said I don't think he is a star, more like a solid starter or rotation guy.

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4. "Kris Dunn"
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34. "what crittendon shoulda been...star. top 3 PG by year 5. "
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50. "he's legit.....All Star"
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61. "Solid player, starter on a bad team/backup on a good one"
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I'd be more convinced if not for the turnovers. If he can fix that quickly, could be a better Jordan Clarkson.

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65. "Upside: Terrell Brandon Downside: current Shaun Livingston"
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86. "You killin' it SH...I'm going with Brandon (hopefully injury free)"
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99. "He's already 3X as explosive as Terrell Brandon ever was. "
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I've seen games where Dunn was at the top of
the key and just *appeared* at the rim

He has that *it* quickness


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97. "A slightly smaller D-Wade. Futuristic point god. "
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101. "Watered-down Russell Westbrook."
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Everyone's already noted that he's long and insanely quick and a stat stuffer and generally the sort of physical specimen you'd ideally want as your point guard. That stuff is all a given. He's got the tools to take it to the rack, to get the ball to the open man, to play defense when he so desires, to murder everyone in transition, etc. I completely understand the hype, and the upside is incredibly obvious. Even if my concerns all come to fruition, you *have* to gamble on a guy with this speed and this body.

However, I have serious concerns about his decision-making. This is a dude who averaged over a turnover every ten minutes the last two seasons. If you put the ball in his hands next year and ask him to be your starting PG from the word go, I wouldn't be surprised by 5+ TOs a game. He also did a lot of dribbling right into the defenses, chucking up bad mid-rangers that badly missed, etc. He makes a lot of young PG mistakes... which you'd hope that a guy who's basically a 22-year-old junior would be getting over by now.

I also don't think he's a terribly good shooter-- I trust him far more when he's driving to the rim. He's improved some as a shooter, but unless his motion gets way more consistent, I'm not convinced he'll ever be a guy who can do more than 44% as a pro-- more likely he's one of those 41-42%ers who likely shouldn't be taking many 3s. He doesn't even shoot 70% from the stripe, which is scary when you hope to project his future shooting prowess.

So I still think he's a Top 5 pick. I think you get early Westbrook with more turnovers and potentially worse shooting-- and most teams could do far worse than that at PG, obviously. You just have to work on him. He has to get more comfortable in the half court. I saw too many games this year in which good defenses gave him the business. One could easily argue that Dunn wasn't even the best player on his team during conference play.

That holds me back from all of the "definitely a star/Top 5/etc" talk. He's got the potential for that, but to get there, heneeds to either (a) improve his turnovers/shooting, or (b) develop a Russy-esque motor in which he wills his way through his weaknesses by being pressed as shit 24/7.

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149. "Weird how everyone is dinging Dunn on the 2 most teachable traits"
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- shooting and decision-making

Those are the two traits which are teachable, especially
with a guy who CLEARLY HAS court vision and CLEARLY IS
an already decent shooter.

When a guy has those traits, you can teach him how to
be careful with the ball and shoot better. It happens
all the time.

He is EXPLOSIVE.
He has excellent handles.
He hawks on D.
He loves ball.
He can score from all over the court.
He goes to the cup.

He has all the tools. If he was an inch and half taller
and 15 lbs heavier, I'd need a reason why he's not the
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168. "To answer your question, if you're interested:"
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They're all sort of tied to the thesis that Wade was simply better than Dunn in college.

1. Wade is much better from 2 than Dunn in college-- much better at the rim, and an absolute monster in the mid-range. Dunn really isn't that. He gets to the rim, but when he's not there, it's more of a struggle. Wade from a scoring perspective was better as a freshman than Dunn was in four* years.

2. Wade's FT percentage the year before he entered the draft was 78%. The FT% is usually the main indicator that people default to when they try to figure out shooting potential. Dunn couldn't get above 70% from the stripe even by the time he was a senior. Either that means he wasn't working on it... or it means he was, and the work didn't pay off. That sort of shit is a red flag to people. Is it fair? Maybe not-- but free throw percentage is a good indicator of what kind of shooter the majority of players can become.

3. I usually do dismiss the high-turnover thing as "well, he's young, he'll work it out as he he improves"... but two caveats to that here: a) he's really not that young-- he's among the ten oldest players projected to be drafted, and certainly in the top three oldest projected as possible lotto picks, and (b) his turnover rate is much, much higher than any other guard in the draft.

4. I also just watched Providence play a ton this year and last (Big East has the best color commentary teams, imo), and one could argue Dunn wasn't even the best player on his team during conference play, that Ben Bentil did a lot of carrying the team in games where Dunn was struggling some with his shot and his decision-making. To put it in Wade terms: Wade only scored fewer than 15 points three times as a sophomore. Dunn scored less than 15 twelve times. A couple were in games where they didn't really need to play Dunn, it's true-- but many of them were in conference games that were either losses or close victories thanks to Bentil.

I should also point out that calling him "watered-down Russell Westbrook" is hardly an insult, since Westbrook is a motherfucking machine, and as I said in the above post, plenty of NBA teams would love a lesser Westbrook. I just wanted to register my concerns, as I don't think he's a *lock* to be an All-Star type-- the potential is obvious and incredibly high, which is why I'd draft him high. You can't pass on talent like that. But he has some very real work to do to live up to that talent.

I want to end by paraphrasing bshelly here: "Plenty of guys have the potential to be the next Dwyane Wade, but Dwyane Wade is Dwyane Wade because most guys don't make the necessary improvements to become Dwyane Wade." I'd love to see it, as he's electric when he's on... but I think he'll remain a tier below the Wades and Westbrooks, unless he takes a big leap.

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183. "sounds like a smaller Marcus Smart, he still can't shoot."
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106. "Homeslice. Bigger D-Lill"
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107. "Gonna cost someone their job"
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Just don't trust PGs with turnover problems and bad instincts
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116. "This is definitely the worst case scenario."
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He's very high ceiling, but his floor is... yeah.

I'm hedging my bets with in-the-middle, closer-to-ceiling-than-floor, because I can't sell on that awesome ceiling... but I think people are overlooking his tendency toward wild uncontrolled decision-making.

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117. "As someone whose teams stock and trade is PG's with high and low ceiling..."
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Unless you have a real tightass coach to hold them responsible,its lunacy to bet on them
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138. "Thibs can handle that"
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148. "not as impressed w him as others..."
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not crazy about sloppy PG's with a spotty shot.

Might be one of those guys who gets it years down the road.
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207. "Not sure if I love him but I like him. Built for the NBA, seems pretty t..."
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He has some adjustments to make playing the one at the pro level but I think he is the best PG in this draft and pretty surely will be the first taken.

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"Some of y'all gonna eat some ass. Dude about to be elite. "


  

          


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267. "Some of y'all gonna eat some ass. Dude about to be elite. "
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268. "lolz"
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yeah, he's good as shit. bulls might end up winning that butler trade.

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269. "David Aldridge speaking the Dunn language"
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>yeah, he's good as shit. bulls might end up winning that
>butler trade.

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5. "Buddy Hield"
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32. "he ain't nothing but jeff malone with younger cells. "
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40. "he gonna be decent"
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45. "Floor: JJ Redick. Ceiling: CJ McCollum. "
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Insanely hard worker whose senior year was wildly more efficient than his other years. Remains to be seen if he's more senior Buddy Hield than freshman through junior Buddy Hield once he gets to the pros, but I wouldn't bet against him.

Needs to work on developing a variety of moves on the drive in order to avoid being primarily a catch-and-shoot guy... but he could do 14-16 PPG just on catch and shoot. Kid is fearless and a hell of worker. Good rebounder for a guard too. Draft him and you've got your starting 2 guard for the rest of his contract.

I don't think I'd go Top 3 with him-- I think anyone considering him that high is buying too much into the "next Curry" hype, which I think is grossly unfair to Hield, as he's slower with worse handles, a lower release point, and a worse distributor than Curry (not that that's saying much, as Curry's elite at all of those things). But New Orleans or Denver should jump on him at 6 or 7. Both would be great fits for him.

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198. "CJ has excellent handles & a herky-jerky game, Ceiling: Ben Gordon"
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>I don't think I'd go Top 3 with him-- I think anyone
>considering him that high is buying too much into the "next
>Curry" hype, which I think is grossly unfair to Hield, as he's
>slower with worse handles, a lower release point, and a worse
>distributor than Curry (not that that's saying much, as
>Curry's elite at all of those things). But New Orleans or
>Denver should jump on him at 6 or 7. Both would be great fits
>for him.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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47. "Generic 2 Guard. Probably has an Eric Gordon post injury career"
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87. "I could see this, might be in the Gordon ball park"
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He's a scorer but does little of anything else. He learns how to do more and he might be an allstar.

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197. "Gordon was unstoppable driving to the rack when he was healthy"
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Dude has been in the training room just as much as his boy D-Rose ever since he signed w/ the Pelicans so I'm not even sure what to make of his post-injury "career"

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237. "I remember Guinness tryna roast me for a Gordon/Harden comparison"
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At the time it was not an insult at all, dude was shooting a very high percentage and scoring over 20 a night. Sad to see what's become of his career.

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54. "Somewhere between a Terrence Ross and a broke man's Klay"
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He'll fit well in Minny

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58. "Downside: Leandro Barbosa"
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Worst case scenario, I think Hield finds a nice role as a 6th man. Not sure his upside - CJ McCollum seems like a good call but he could have a higher upside than CJ currently does.

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127. "Brad Beal 2.0 "
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Don't see much of a difference outside of injury concerns for Brad

  

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139. "Decent product of the Steph Curry Halo effect"
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If you undersized and "show promise" then someone is taking you in the first round because of the Steph Curry halo effect on undersized guards.

  

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208. "Solid bet for a team that wants to know what it's getting"
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Obviously older than other guys in the lotto and capable of being a leader. Not an elite talent but if you have a pretty solid team and just need a two, he is a good bet. I would not take him with a home run pick, which is what most lotto teams are looking to make.

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6. "Jaylen Brown"
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35. "dumber than stanley....you figure it out. "
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51. "Not a basketball player..."
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Suprised if he earns a second contract.


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144. "RE: Not a basketball player..."
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>Suprised if he earns a second contract.
This is where I am. I mean he looks the part from the speed, athleticism, build but I just don't see a player in there. I wouldn't go anywhere near him in the Top 8-10.

  

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52. "Latest member of the Should've Went to UK Club"
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I have no idea what his game looks like now.

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64. "Not even that high on him, but I'M BUYING IN"
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Everyone else is shitting on him this hard? Better than Justise Winslow, because why not.

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82. "Them's fightin' words!"
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>Everyone else is shitting on him this hard? Better than
>Justise Winslow, because why not.

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67. "Upside: Jason Richardson Downside: Ben McLemore"
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And I'm shading closer to McLemore.

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88. "Can't call it"
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100. "There's nothing that I like very much. "
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115. "He's a kind of guy who I wonder if there was no HS hype..."
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If you went in blind this season and had no idea who was hyped and who wasn't, would people even consider Jaylen going this high? Would everyone tell him to stay in school?

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123. "This is what I thought about Shabazz Muhammad when he was coming out"
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And he had to bust his ass working out with a sadistic Italian every offseason just to become a decent second/third guy off the bench on a bad team. Brown could maybe be an okay pick if he falls, but he shouldn't be anywhere near the top 5.

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126. "Shabazz was the opposite of Brown, tho. "
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Shabazz was all floor

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134. "no agent, deemed &quot;too smart&quot;, Isiah is his advisor, chose Cal ..."
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Brown interviewed five well-regarded NBA agents to potentially represent him. He ultimately decided to enter the draft without an agent, with the collective bargaining agreement already slotting the salaries for two-year guaranteed rookie contracts (which come with an option for two-year extensions). Brown instead is relying on a unique circle of advisers, including Hall of Famer Isiah Thomas and former NBA All-Star and Cal star Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who made him feel comfortable and confident about not hiring representation.

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135. "Really hard to say. His body is perfect. His game... isn't."
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Like, his body really is exactly what you want in an NBA wing prospect. Speed, athleticism, length, slashing ability, the whole nine. I get why a team will roll the dice. Other positives... he's aggressive. Definitely not a NyQuil. So... that's something! He's a guy who will draw fouls and finish at the cup.

But he's all upside at this point. Really TO-prone. Handle isn't great. Tunnel vision-- his aggressiveness could totally be seen as a fault. It's easy to say he "can't shoot," but I think he's more inconsistent than anything else-- undisciplined. Release all over the place, feet all over the place.

This still isn't great, obviously... but you could see his good and bad fully on display this year. In their biggest wins, he was disciplined, shot well, kept turnovers down-- the blowout of USC, the blowout of Oregon. Even in their win over Arizona, in which he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, he became the primary distributor with Tyrone Wallace hurt, and he racked up 7 dimes. The potential is there, and I was on board with him as a prospect... but then again, he finished the season really badly, getting bad foul trouble in some important games (including in the tournament), looked atrocious in their elimination from the Pac-12 Tournament... you'd like to see improvement by March, not regression into worse sloppiness.

So it all depends on his jumper mechanics and handles, imo. If he never becomes a smart defender and he still turns the ball over more than we'd like, it won't matter if he can make a 3-pointer at a 35%+ clip and get even harder to stop going to the rack. If he fixes those, I'd totally believe that he could be a starter for a long time, and maybe even have All-Star potential... but that's a ways away from where he is now. We won't know if he's a true bust for 3-4 years, but if you're looking for a "true bust" bet in this draft... sadly, this may be him. I'm rooting for him, though. He was granted the gift of a prototypical high-caliber NBA body. It'd be a shame for him to waste it.

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209. "Has the tools bot no toolbox. McLemore comparison seems about right"
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7. "Dragan Bender"
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33. "dunno and don't care...unless i need to"
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66. "Subpar Zingis imitation"
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68. "Upside: Detlef Schrempf Downside: Yi Jianlian"
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Can't shake the feeling that the C's will draft him and he'll be a slight upgrade on Kelly Olynyk.

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76. "I think Boston is the best situation for him of anyone in the top 5"
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78. "I like Phoenix better. Lower expectations to start."
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I think he fits what they need at the 4. He has Chandler there to work as a mentor.

They'll probably be bad enough that he can get starter minutes in the second half of the year. Perhaps grow with Alex Len as future frontcourt.

Boston's a nice fit but we're trying to win and we have a lot of mediocre guys who'd probably keep him off the court as a rookie.

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210. "if he slips to like 10, why not roll the dice?"
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havent seen enough to say, not excited about him like i was dat zingis though. seems kinda stiff by comparison. toni kukoc-ish? kukoc was a smart player but a little soft. i don't know about this guy's makeup

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8. "Henry Ellenson"
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31. "no less than 5th best player in draft. double-double guy. "
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109. "Worth a flyer"
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He has skills size and is young. Could see him break out last year of rookie contract
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140. "Whoever drafts him is getting a steal, imo. Diet Coke Kevin Love."
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Defensively, he's got work to do, and I'd like to see him learn to shoot a little better from 3... but man, he's so goddamn good inside. Big and strong, good inside and good from the mid-range. Shot nearly 30% from 3 at age 18/19 as a 6'10 guy, which shows promise. He's a brilliant ball-handler for his size. Great hands, terrific rebounder.

He should watch Kevin Love. Mimic his shot, mimic his passing. (Maybe don't mimic his defense.) If he does that, he could be an All-Star. As more teams start big men who play on the perimeter, Ellenson will prove a terrific asset.

I think he could be a double-double, face-the-basket stretch big by Year 3. Really love his potential, and I'm surprised he's projected to go so low in the lottery.

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145. "RE: Henry Ellenson"
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Solid Pro. Ryan Anderson type 15-8 potential Stretch 4. Would probably take him at 5 or 6.

  

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10. "Skal Labissiere"
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30. "channing frye without the 3rd act"
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48. "Ceiling: borderline All Star Sheed type"
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Floor: Out the league in 3 years or less.

It really depends on how bad he wants to work. Its all up to him.

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169. "I'm with you, but lower ceiling and higher basement."
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He's clearly got the offensive skillset and raw talent to be in the NBA. I'm not convinced we'll know just yet what he'll be in three years-- I think teams will continue to take fliers on him until 25 or so. Bigs with a nice face-the-basket jumper are too hot right now for him to drop out. May never be worth his pick, but most players that would've been straight-to-pro picks like Skal usually stick around for over half a decade, even just as role players, because raw talent like that simply doesn't grow on trees.

But I'm not convinced I saw enough to believe he could be an All-Star type, either. Has to get a lot tougher, both physically and mentally, to maximize his potential, and that kind of leap in toughness rarely happens to that degree. I think best-case scenario he's a starting stretch-4 for a really good team-- he might even do better in a lower-expectation environment like that, where a team is looking for a piece rather than a hero.

But the physical attributes are pretty undeniable. Definitely made plays this year on both offense and defense that made me sit up straight. I hope he turns it on.

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155. "Serviceable journeyman "
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245. "One Haitian under a groove, shootin' 3s just forrrrrr the fuck of it"
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This guy is all potential to me, did not impress me at the NCAA level at all and physically he is not ready for prime time. You see the potential as a stretch big, obviously, and maybe as a shot blocker. If he slips, nice value for a project, if he goes in the top 10, meh.

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11. "Denzel Valentine"
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71. "Best case- poor man's Gordon Hayward"
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but he'd fit in well on a good team.

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200. "Best case- poor man's Jalen Rose"
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91. "super glue guy...what lance stephenson shoulda been. 14,6,5 prime"
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96. "He's not as athletic as stephenson "
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I think a poor man's Odom. Like he'll be a diminished version of Ben Simmons. Or something like a non-fat Boris Diaw. Yeah, that's perfect actually.

I agree with them numbers tho: 14,6,5 prime

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170. "I prefer "a better, longer Greivis Vasquez.""
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Odom, Simmons, and Diaw are all way bigger. Valentine's a relatively-unathletic 6'6, but he's just really fucking smart and does everything on offense well. He's also a really underrated shooter-- he can score from basically everywhere on the court. If he was even a *little* more of an athlete, he'd be a Top 5 pick.

But he's slow. He's got nice positional length, but I'm not really convinced he's fast enough to ever play that "point-big" position in the pros. He's also, quiet as kept, really not a good defender.

I think he could start-- like Vasquez that one year for the Hornets, he could really fill it up if put in the right spot. I expect a nice decade-longish career. Not really a star-- but definitely capable of some stat-stuffing seasons.

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231. "lance earthboud as fuck and not that quick. c'mon. "
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255. "But still quicker than Valentine...so that's telling"
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Valentine slow as turtle sex fam.

And Lance ain't leaping thru the roof but he has more boing than Valentine.

We can disagree but I like the non-fat (and per Frank, smaller) Boris Diaw comparison.

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252. "at best a super-sub, has limitations though"
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211. "Potentially a very good sixth man"
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13. "Jakob Poeltl"
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62. "Luc Longley and Andrew Bogut are the only comparisons I can think of"
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No idea why, though.

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141. "Big off the bench. He'll stick, but he's not a star."
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I think he'd have to work hard to start-- one of those classic good-at-everything, not-great-at-anything guys. To start, he'd need to refine his offensive moves and get a better set of back-to-the-basket skills, or he'd need to get tougher and more consistent down low on defense. Or both.

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232. "He's okay. Maybe a starter. Will play a long time, barring injury. "
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250. "Bammer version of Cody Zeller"
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I don't see him doing the things it takes for a seven footer to be good at the next level. But he does have size and can move pretty well, so I am sure someone will mold him into a useful pro.

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14. "Marquese Chriss"
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56. "Ceiling: Ibaka with better handles/offense."
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Floor: NBDL lifer.

  

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162. "Didn't see much of the guy... but not sure I liked what I saw."
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I get why scouts are in love with him, because he's a monster athlete who also has a good jump shot. Blocks shots, gets steals-- his stats are pretty undeniable.

Yet I have a lot of questions. First off, what position does he play? I assume teams will want him to play on the wing, because that's where he would provide the best mismatches. Inside, he's got a small frame and I'm not impressed by his reach. He's bouncy, but he can be bullied, and defensively, when it comes to standing in front of his man, he kind of, from what I saw, sucks. He's far more likely to either whack the guy or just let him go around. Not much in between.

He fouled out of nearly half his games. I know he's young-- but *half*?!

Like, this is exactly why one-and-done is bullshit. Teams are all like, "We want players to be ready so they'll play a year of ball!" but this kid is a lock top-5 pick who also doesn't strike me as ready to get top-5 results. He strikes me as one of those "we'll check in in 3-to-4 years and see how he's doing" guys... but normally, I'm more inclined to bet on those guys if they're elite at something. And, y'know, if they can stay on the floor.

I get the hype. 6'10 freak athlete who can nail jumpers. But... that's really all he is right now, from what I can tell. (I'll defer to the Washington fans, as I saw less of their guys that pretty much any other projected first rounders.)

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180. "as a UW alum/fan - my thoughts: "
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>I get why scouts are in love with him, because he's a monster
>athlete who also has a good jump shot. Blocks shots, gets
>steals-- his stats are pretty undeniable.

first time he ever stepped on the court i looked at my wife and said, "he's a future lottery pick." now, i figured that'd be after another season or two. shocking to see how he's shot up the draft board but his potential IS quite high if he pans out he could be a perennial all star type.

>Yet I have a lot of questions. First off, what position does
>he play? I assume teams will want him to play on the wing,
>because that's where he would provide the best mismatches.
>Inside, he's got a small frame and I'm not impressed by his
>reach. He's bouncy, but he can be bullied, and defensively,
>when it comes to standing in front of his man, he kind of,
>from what I saw, sucks. He's far more likely to either whack
>the guy or just let him go around. Not much in between.

I compared him to a more offensive minded Ibaka above (as his floor). On the upper end he could be Chris Webber minus the assists. This is assuming he pans out as the other end of the spectrum is he just never sticks (which i think would be more of an effort issue). He's definitely the best shooting big in the draft. He runs the floor and he's a very good secondary shot blocker. He definitely needs to get stronger, but he's a baby still so that should come w/ normal strength training.

>He fouled out of nearly half his games. I know he's young--
>but *half*?!

The reason for this was sort of 3-fold: first of all, Lorenzo Romar had no fucking idea what his defensive philosophy was all season. He was throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck (he shoulda got fired in a lot of fans opinions). Thus, Chriss got put into some bad spots he shouldn't have been in. Next, the Pac-12 officiating is a fucking joke. I know fans like to complain about refs but if you don't watch Pac-12 hoops you're missing a real treat. This isn't some conspiracy shit either, every media person talks about it, coaches talk about it and every fanbase complains about them equally. Lastly, Chriss did do some stupid freshman shit. Getting dumb reach fouls and stuff, or trying to block shots instead of just playing good position defense. He's still raw defensively but with effort and coaching he has the movement and athleticism to be MUCH better.


>Like, this is exactly why one-and-done is bullshit. Teams are
>all like, "We want players to be ready so they'll play a year
>of ball!" but this kid is a lock top-5 pick who also doesn't
>strike me as ready to get top-5 results. He strikes me as one
>of those "we'll check in in 3-to-4 years and see how he's
>doing" guys... but normally, I'm more inclined to bet on those
>guys if they're elite at something. And, y'know, if they can
>stay on the floor.

i agree here. he should have stayed one more year at least (although i'm not sure how much better he could have gotten in the areas he needs to under Romar for another year).

  

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214. "Bust potential is there but boom potential makes him appealing"
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I would look at this guy as a third or fourth most talented player in the draft. Needs to work on quite a few things but has a lot of stuff you can't teach. I don't know about Amare, Kemp, McDyess, etc comparisons but he could be an explosive talent.

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15. "Domantas Sabonis"
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42. "Solid backup and rotation player on a good team"
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Maybe a starter on a bad team.

  

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79. "Seems like a nice backup. Maybe a Kris Humphries type."
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171. "Starter. Savvy offensive-minded big. "
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Best post moves of any big in the draft, imo. Great footwork, nice soft hands. Shows the potential to be a stretch big too-- his stroke wasn't used a ton, but he's got it. He's also a terrific rebounder-- if I'm not mistaken, either among the best or the best on both ends in college basketball last year. Just has a nose for the rock.

He's not a great athlete or super lengthy, so defense will probably be an issue for him. But he's a really hard worker, not shy at all about contact, and high motor on both ends. I thought he could've come out last season, and he got better. He also fucking smoked Poeltl in their matchup. Love this kid. He'll go Top 10, but I'm not convinced in this draft he shouldn't go closer to 6 or 7.

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213. "Very solid pro, you win with players like this guy. I'll take his stock"
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I think going up into the top 10 is a slight reach but he wasn't going to fly under any radars. Super sub as a third big initially, good starting four later. Needs to extend his range for sure but he is smart, he is intense, he eats glass and he has nice touch around the rim.

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238. "system player...get him in the right system and he beasts"
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but if he goes to a directionless team, fulla clowns in the lockerroom, he will get lost and be sorry.

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247. "Exactly, which I why I do NOT want him in Sac"
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16. "Wade Baldwin"
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157. "George Hill"
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172. "Needs to go to the right place, or he'll end up stuck as a backup. "
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Strong potential to be starter-quality on both ends, but he's never blown me away as anything other than a shooter. His playmaking is fine, but his handles aren't great. He's got the length and strength for defense... yet he wasn't a consistent defender in college.

If can stay engaged and improve his handles, he could be a starter in the league, and he's a strong enough shooter that he'll stick off the bench at least... but it's hard in a league where the point guards are so good to bet on a guy to start unless he really stuns you in college.

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240. "I like him. He's a championship guard. Not a star, but solid. "
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17. "Demetrius Jackson"
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77. "productive backup PG that sticks around"
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About Jarrett Jack level.

  

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173. "See Wade Baldwin's subject line. "
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Stud athlete, totally unafraid. Bouncy, strong, fast. Better than Baldwin on these points. Better handles, too.

Outside of his physical attributes though, he's not a stud anywhere. Up-and-down shooter, not a natural point, not a good defender. Baldwin is definitely the better shooter, the better defender (though also not great), and probably the better natural point. Also, while he's a better athlete than Baldwin, he's not nearly as tall or long. Baldwin will obviously be drafted first... but if he can get either his shooting or his defense consistent, he could potentially end up the better player and/or a starter. From a college perspective, Jackson definitely had the bigger stages, the bigger moments, etc. He may just have the stones for it. He's probably the safer "win now" pick... not sure I'd bet money on either becoming a perennial starter without seeing those deficiencies patched up first.

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218. "This is the only player that would make me happy as a Pistons fan"
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None of the premium guys are gonna fall that far, and no one else has the attitude you mentioned. That fits in so nicely with what SVG is trying to build.

A 1-2-3 of Reggie, KCP, DJ, Marcus and Stanley gives you a whole kennel's worth of bulldog.

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236. "Very good backup on a very good team. Not a starter. "
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18. "Tyler Ulis"
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49. "at worst 3rd guard, J.J. Barea type. "
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At best a, a borderline All-Star.

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93. "standard cerebral goomba...backup on a good team. "
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95. "I think he'll carve out a good career, TJ Ford minus injuries"
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Has a better J than TJ though

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201. "Brooks was solely a scoring guard, Ulis is a pass first PG"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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174. "A natural point. Backup at worst."
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He's just got the IQ and the knack for doing the right thing. He's shown that he can be a consistently good shooter too.

Could start despite his size if he ends up with the right players on the wing with him. I like his odds to play in the NBA a long time.

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254. "He'll do a nice job running someone's second unit"
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Obviously a guy his size is not going to be a can't-miss and he is not a knockdown shooter but he is a real student of the position. I like him as a second rounder a lot, maybe even a late first for the right team.

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19. "Taurean Prince"
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175. "A valuable role player. Does everything well."
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I could see a team like Boston or Detroit, a team ready to try to win now, having great success with him. Strong rebounder, good size, good motor, decent mid-range shooter, tough defender, quality team player. An ideal post-lottery pick. I think he has a long career and wouldn't be surprised to see him starting on a good team sooner rather than later, just due to his ability to support a good team's stars.

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202. "Crowder 2.0"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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241. "Typical bamma. Blah. Who cares. "
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20. "Malik Beasley"
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176. "A slept-on talent. If he went to a blue blood, he'd be a lotto pick."
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Freshmen guards simply don't come in and put up 39% from 3 and 52% from 2. This kid can flat-out shoot. He could be a better creator, but he's simply one of the best shooters in the draft already. Combine that with his high motor, good athleticism, great positional rebounding, and NBA lineage? Yeah, this kid is being grossly slept on.

Don't be surprised if he ends up better than several of the lottery players.

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242. "wish the cavs could get him somehow...he gon be nice. "
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21. "Cheick Diallo"
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70. "Going to get someone fired if he goes lotto"
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75. "I really think he could be the draft riser this year."
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And if he does pan out, I wouldn't be stunned if it takes his entire rookie contract before you know if you've got anything at all there.

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178. "High-energy guy who'll play tough defense and clean the glass. "
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This year was a nightmare, but there's a reason he was such an elite prospect. I'd take him after the lotto, sit him down, and tell him, "Look, don't worry about shooting the ball. You're here to fill a role-- play gutsy defense, block shots, and grab every rebound. Do this, and you'll play for 10-15 years in this league and make a shitload of money."

I like the kid's odds at succeeding. His degree of success relies primarily on how hard he embraces his role. (I mean, he's so raw that he could end up a decent offensive weapon too, but his goal is to grab a Tristan Thompson-esque max deal thanks to his rebounding and defense, not to shoot the ball 10+ times a game.)

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243. "i want nothing to do with him. good luck to everyone who buys in"
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22. "Damian Jones"
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181. "All the physical tools... but I can't bet on him."
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I cysed him a year or two ago after a couple of impressive efforts... but goddamn this dude simply hasn't improved. He is what he is: a terrific NBA body who is good when he plays at the rim... but he's a blah rebounder, an okay defender, bad at passing out of the block when he gets into trouble, very inconsistent motor (dude disappeared in *several* big games entirely), and not a great shooter. Like... what is there to bet on here? What does he do that's elite other than "be big"?

Maybe I'm just burned by my early cysage. A team should take him very end of first or beginning of second just because of his body in hopes that they can crank up his motor/effort, but I'm not sold that he's anything more than a bench big. I could easily see him out of the league in a few years if he doesn't either get a better face-the-rim offensive set or a higher motor.

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244. "i want nothing to do with him."
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23. "Brice Johnson"
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154. "Nerls"
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<---
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177. "Bench guy. Should probably stick."
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Can't defend his position at the NBA level because he'll be, as MBJ puts it, a "Gumby" his entire life (though, as I pointed out, Gumby has broader shoulders than Brice), but he plays with effort, has a nice little mid-range jumper, and can jump out of the gym. He'll be a fine 9th man for as long as he maintains his bounciness.

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246. "typical UNC gumby. davis, henson, wright, mcadoo, now him. "
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253. "Looks good on paper but doesn't wow me, just a guy. 8th/9th man"
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He seems appealing to a lot of teams in the 20s as an older player with decent size and mobility but I just don't get a strong vibe from him.

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24. "DeAndre Bembry"
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239. "Decent bench player. Is a winner, but is not a shooter. Versatile."
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Think like an 8th man who can move up in the rotation when called upon.

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25. "Thon Maker"
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90. "after taking an atomic L on perry jones III, i'm calling SCRUB"
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tired of these soft ultra-skilled freaks.

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92. "This years Christian Wood (hype wise) but the 'good' version"
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I could see him channeling Darius Miles' 'best' years/talent level in about 2-3 seasons.

Low key, I'm buying penny stock.

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114. "100% on where he goes."
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If a shit franchise like the Kings get him, he's doomed.

If he goes to the Celtics at 16, I think he could carve out a nice niche.

Also, not sure what his attitude is like. Will he put in the work?

He's an absolute wildcard.

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121. "Future All-Star. nm"
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251. "Seems now he's 21 or 23..."
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May not even be a first round pick.


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26. "Diamond Stone"
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69. "Best case, another Myles Turner"
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Worst is probably a more athletic Perkins.

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89. "he wishes he were even slighly as athletic as myles"
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124. "I really think he should've come back for another year"
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108. "Dud"
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He's soft as baby shit
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119. "Inclined to agree."
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Really limited. He's strong and has good touch around the rim, and... that's it. Not a great rebounder, average defender, footwork is blah, can't get shit done against players of his own size and strength (which should be most people in the pros).

You'd draft him for his body and roll the dice that he can develop, since he's young... but he feels very 10 mpg, end-of-bench to me. I'd go top of second or mid-second, depending who's left.

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120. "Draymond would lock him up"
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He's also bad against people who can move at all.

10 years ago he'd go top 5 and cost someone their job
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130. "I don't believe in him. "
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188. "Solid 14 and 8 guy in about two years"
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194. "I would be very very impressed."
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Trying to think of last big picked at the top of the second/very end of the first to do 14 and 8 within two years. Boozer, maybe?

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248. "Has a stripper's name and his stock is falling for a reason"
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The first time they play the Rockets, James Harden is gonna stick a hundo in the elastic band of his shorts. Life is confusing.

This guy is big but does he have what it takes to make a living as a banger at the next level? I doubt it.

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27. "Malachi Richardson"
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41. "eventual starter and 15-17 ppg or so scorer"
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He can get his own shot, can shoot off the dribble and has deep range and a quick release.

Will finish better as he gets stronger, and has to improve shot selection.

He's got some JR Smith/Nick Young no conscience in him, but as the season went on he started showing much better passing ability.

  

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275. "Well, uh...umm...he’s only 22 and on Toronto. "
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53. "Upside: Khris Middleton Downside: Tim Hardaway Jr."
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Not a fan of his offensive game. Just feel like everything is a bit too slow for the pros but if he works hard, he could become a pro scorer. More likely a three and D guy but he needs to be more consistent on D for that to happen.

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94. "^^^I can see this...I liked his game in the tourney"
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but as Derrick Williams showed us, tourney runs aren't always to be trusted.

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146. "RE: Malachi Richardson"
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Like the Khris Middleton comp. Solid starter in the league. Tertiary scorer who can play d. Hope the Sixers get a shot at him with the 24-26.

  

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Frank Longo
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179. "Needs to be a better shooter to stick."
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He was a volume guy last year. Decent creator, but a wildly inconsistent finisher. His shooting percentages, especially from mid-range, are *terrible.* He ended the season hot, so he's taking advantage, and my response to that is, "Fucking good for him." Strike while the iron is hot-- because if he came back next year and *still* shot the ball so inconsistently, he wouldn't be a Top 20 pick. Instead he'll go in the 15-17 range, in all likelihood. People like to say, "But if he shot way better, he'd be a much higher pick!" That's true... but that's a multi-million dollar gamble.

Great arms and hands, but not a great athlete. No clue how he'll be as a man-to-man defender because Syracuse, but he's got the range to be disruptive and he's quick enough on his feet.

As SH said above, I could see him becoming a 3-and-D guy... but he's currently not a consistent three-point shooter and I don't really know how good his defense is. Tough to bank on him-- you're basically betting on the "he's a smart kid, he'll figure it out" angle... which I could see, but I'd have loved to have seen better results on the court during the regular season and not just the last couple of games of his college career.

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184. "Should be noted that he shot 42% from 3 in ACC play"
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He shot the ball well in ACC play and NCAA tournament play.

He had a HORRIBLE month of December for whatever reason. But I think he's a better 3 point shooter than his season % would indicate.

  

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185. "Yet shot under 70% from the FT line and 37% from 2 in ACC play."
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I forget the exact numbers, but I remember seeing that no one drafted in the first round has *ever* shot as badly from 2 in the year they were drafted as Richardson has. In the games I saw where he struggled, he forced a lot of bad shots, and he's just not the type of guy I think has the burst to get to the rim in the pros.

I'm just not necessarily sold by what I saw. He clearly can get hot and he likes big moments... but there've been a lot of college players who did that but couldn't deliver the consistency offensively in the pros. Maybe if he shot 78% from the FT line or something, I could say, "Well, at least his stroke is working consistently..." but even there, he's up and down.

It's not like his shit is broke. He just needs to make better shot choices, get the reps in to improve those percentages, and he could be a 3-and-D guy. Which would be of value in the mid-first, if he can become that. I'm just not sold on mid-first after seeing him a bunch this year-- the way he ended his season showed promise, though.

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260. "mid range doesn't matter #analyticzzzz #NBAJam #3'sorLayups"
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Nah, I hate that shit. He's gotta improve his midrange game. No reason he can't shoot better from the line than that.

  

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234. "taking an agenda flier on this one. 'cuse is due. he mine!"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

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261. "NOPE! I got a long memory "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2521056&mesg_id=2521056&listing_type=search#2521115

Plus I blame you for jinxing Jonny Flynn.

  

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265. "cool. i'm out. he gon be sorry. "
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273. "Hilarious"
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274. "Lmao, don’t even remember that but well played"
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276. "I didn’t remember either. Just jumped out at me"
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29. "Timothe Luwawu"
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249. "gimme two minutes...*opens new tab to youtube*"
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oh, he ain't shit but a specialist. he barely dunking on euro bigs in traffic.

he's okay. i don't want no stock.

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36. "there he goes"
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a

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

  

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80. "Dejounte Murray"
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81. "literallly a Jamal Crawford clone."
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128. "That is very high praise..."
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132. "it's true though. "
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he just doesn't shoot the 3 yet like Jamal can NOW.

but if you compare him to when Jamal came out of Michigan they are mirror images.

then add in that Jamal is his mentor and they went to the same H.S.

  

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186. "Jamal was a better shooter in college, too."
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The FT% disparity alone shows that Crawford's consistency of form was already there.

I don't know a lot about Murray-- I'd still take him mid-first based on the little I have seen-- I just wanted to dispute the claim that they're identical shooters coming out of college. Crawford's 3P% wasn't at its potential yet, but everyone knew he could shoot based on the stroke, whereas that's the biggest question mark around Murray.

I don't doubt they could be used in similar ways in the pros, though.

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191. "yeah. i agree. i didn't get my thoughts out clearly there."
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not even sure what i was trying to say when i posted that.

yeah, jamal's shot was much better in HS and college.

Murray's shot shouldn't be THAT hard to fix. he's one of those kids that was shooting with "swag" so he's actually angled 45 degrees instead of just facing the basket. if someone just gets him to face the basket his percentage should jump off that alone.

  

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122. "these comps aren't hilarious enough. paging FILF and that ruth."
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125. "Ruth may be banned still."
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We may need FromTheGo to save us. Who else is gonna call Nerlens Noel a stretch 4 and Evan Turner Penny Hardaway Jr?

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131. "RE: Ruth may be banned still."
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Nerlens the stretch four is one my favorite underrated OKS hilarious moments.

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147. "What Truth get banned for? "
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----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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150. "does POOPINCHICAGO follow college hoops like that?"
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apparently the Truth ban extends to posts he's authored in the past, too. He's straight up J. Anus status here

  

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166. "lol... he's not banned"
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..but he did earn himself a timeout bein' an arsehole this am lol.




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..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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182. "I can't even fake it I don't know shit about any of these dudes, I proba..."
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watched a half game each of Simmons and Ingram. Simmons obviously has the much higher ceiling but also has high Nyquil(c)O_E potential. Ingram could be a solid starter on a good team but he'll never be a star.

I like Brice Johnson, with a few more sammiches I think he could be a good in a bamma role on the right team.

I'm rooting for Thon Maker also.

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203. "I went in on Okafor last year & was proven right **sips tea**"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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212. "Glad we can reach blanket conclusions on 19-year-olds!"
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Also glad you made sure to post it in the Justivity post last year-- oops.

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215. "Last I checked the #1 overall pick in 2013 was out of the league at 21"
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>Also glad you made sure to post it in the Justivity post last
>year-- oops.

I made the statement when he was besting during March Madness....BEFORE the Justivity poAst was ever created for that season.

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216. "So Jah will be out of the league in two years. Noted."
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219. "17 & 7 at 19 could only be made into "bust" in analytics era. "
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225. "Bargs averaged 21, I guess he wasn' a bust"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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227. "If he'd done it his rookie year, he wouldn't be."
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He did 11 and 4 as a rookie. Notably worse than 17 and 7.

But you know that.

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256. "Bargs was a rookie on a playoff team not the worst team in the league"
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>He did 11 and 4 as a rookie. Notably worse than 17 and 7.

Okafor has one of the shittiest advance stats in the history of the league.

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258. "So you're sticking with "Okafor is a bust." Got it."
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You're allowed to have that opinion, as long as you're on the record saying it. And now you are. Good.

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220. "What were you proven right about?"
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With a link, not a synopsis

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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223. "http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=24322..."
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>With a link, not a synopsis

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2432209&mesg_id=2432209&listing_type=search#2433031

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226. "Im not seeing it but whatever."
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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233. "There is no hiding from it, your ass was in the thread"
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You sided w/ Longo so I only expected you to "not see it"

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217. "This is a depressing draft. Also, no one is checking for Deyonta Davis?"
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I get a strong Theo Ratliff vibe

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222. "I meant to post him. I really like the potential."
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He's one of those dudes that I believe can go fill a roster spot *immediately* due to his rebounding and his defense. Love his body, love the hustle.

Similar to my comments about Diallo (though he may have more offensive upside than Diallo, really), I think he could make the decision to commit himself to being a rebound/defense guy and make millions of dollars over the next 12-15 years. If he wants to come out and shoot a ton... just... don't. lol. At least not right away. Work on it in practice, bust it out in a couple of years.

I had him going to Phoenix in my mock, because I think he could learn a ton from Tyson Chandler.

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224. "RE: I meant to post him. I really like the potential."
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>He's one of those dudes that I believe can go fill a roster
>spot *immediately* due to his rebounding and his defense. Love
>his body, love the hustle.
>
>Similar to my comments about Diallo (though he may have more
>offensive upside than Diallo, really), I think he could make
>the decision to commit himself to being a rebound/defense guy
>and make millions of dollars over the next 12-15 years. If he
>wants to come out and shoot a ton... just... don't. lol. At
>least not right away. Work on it in practice, bust it out in a
>couple of years.

I agree on immediate playing time, and the later in the 1st he goes, the better for him. Get some limited, but real, minutes in important situations; defend and rebound; and bring the rest along.

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228. "Any contender would love to have him, IMO."
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Just fills a real need right away while providing significant upside.

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257. "Ante Zizic, a.k.a. ANTE UP, a.k.a. DAT ZIZIC."
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Whenever I see reports of a 7-foot Euro that loves drawing contact and playing physical, I always cyse him, since 9 times out of 10, the reports are "he's got the tools, but he shies from contact and he's fucking awful at defense."

This is a 19 year old 7 footer, 250 lbs, 7'3 frame, who loves playing physical and had one of the highest PERs in his league history, a league that recently gave us Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic, both of whom had similar profiles.

I'm in.

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259. "AJ Hammons"
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He obviously gave me a lot of reasons to be scared since I cysed him a couple of years ago. He's a guy that could stick solely based on rebounding and defense. If you're a guy with that body who can rebound and play defense, then you should be able to stick. I'd take him end of the first.

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262. "Michael Gbinije"
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I'm biased and rooting like hell for him. But I think he can stick around for awhile and be a productive bench player. He's versatile and athletic, works and plays very hard and will get better. He's gotta shoot the ball well at the next level to make it though....he went from a non-shooter for the first 2 1/2 seasons of his college career to a guy who shot the hell out of the ball from 3 his last year and a half. Was not a good FT shooter though.

  

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263. "Good player in a tough situation numbers wise"
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If SVG signs the 4 he wants, that leaves Johnson, Harris, and Marcus at the 3, with KCP, Bullock, and Johnson again at the 2.

His best bet is to defend his ass off and try to siphon off minutes at the 2. If he can spell KCP and not have a big drop defensively, he'll play.

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264. "Yup...would love to see him stick with them because I like that team's p..."
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But realize it's going to be tough competition.

The defensive side will be interesting....he has the physical tools and he was very good in the zone, but sometimes the zone is looked at as a detriment when it really doesnt matter. If you have the physical ability and aptitude to defend well in zone, it should carry over to man to man. Gbinije is athletic and coachable, so it would seem he could be a solid defender in the NBA.

  

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266. "He'll have to be elite at one thing to stick."
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He's one of those dudes who was a really strong college player. I was really hurt when he left Duke-- until Derryck, maybe the most painful loss to transfer to date-- because I really thought he'd be terrific. And I didn't even think he'd do that point-forward thing as well as he did in school-- never even envisioned it.

That said, he's not athletic enough or skilled enough to do that in the NBA. You're right-- he has to be a ~40% shooter type or an absolute lockdown defender. Being a good passer/creation for your position isn't enough-- scores of terrific college players came and went or never were in the pros because they were all-around good but not great at that one thing. The potential for the shooting is there with him... but I'm not sure I'd bet on him, sadly. I'd have needed to see more in school. I'm rooting for him, though.

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