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"A proto-agenda is forming around The Prodigal Sun. Grant Hill = GM?"


  

          


THIS. BOARD. GON BE FIYAAAAH!!!


The Phoenix Suns have not filled their general manager position yet and ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports they might be waiting on Grant Hill.

Stein writes: "Rumblings persist Suns haven't hired GM yet because they remain hopeful Hill, out of playoffs now, returns to Phoenix to take (the) job."

Hill, who was injured for most of 2012-13 with the Clippers, has said he'll consider retiring after this season. If that happens he can take some time away from the NBA or head straight in as an executive.

The Suns, by most rumors, are down to Milwaukee assistant general manager Jeff Weltman and Boston assistant general manager Ryan McDonough if Hill takes himself out of the mix.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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Because when people think about the "NBA" & "Winning"...
May 07th 2013
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they sure don't talk about mashburn and dentistry.
May 07th 2013
2
      Lock and archive, I can't deal with this right now. I'm TOAST
May 07th 2013
3
      LMAO
May 07th 2013
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      http://oi54.tinypic.com/dvkgnr.jpg
May 07th 2013
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      Mashburn got a rich man's smile though......
May 07th 2013
7
      He got a contra spray gun smile and his face hard
May 07th 2013
10
           Fam, I couldn't understand 95% of that. You posting like Nigger Jim.
May 07th 2013
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           i don't understand why you care what grant does.
May 07th 2013
14
                You posted it. Don't be sad when cats disagree.
May 07th 2013
18
                     you know i don't care about disagreements. i invite that.
May 07th 2013
19
                          Anger? Lol...of course it's anger when I disagree.
May 07th 2013
                               who cares? just give him a massive corner office wit a PS3 and 2k14
May 07th 2013
27
                                    You won't be able to get anybody mad off this. Trust.
May 07th 2013
30
                                         man, i BET you he get rid of them within 3 months at the gig
May 07th 2013
32
                                              yeah right, Kendall shows up with sweater vest all light skin...
May 07th 2013
33
                                                   hopefully, we'll find out
May 07th 2013
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                                                        lol...if we do, that roster once he starts working will be yours
May 07th 2013
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           This is funniest thing I've ever read in my life. Ever. n/m
May 07th 2013
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           jive.
May 07th 2013
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           Lol!!!!!
May 07th 2013
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           Good lord...I was dead at the subject line, then it got BETTER
May 07th 2013
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           this post should be legendary, it did get even better in the body
Jun 02nd 2016
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           bwahahahahahahaha shit i'm rolling
May 07th 2013
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           No, I'm serious. This is the funniest thing I've ever read. Ever. n/m
May 07th 2013
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           this dude said "contra spray gun smile".....
May 07th 2013
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           Archive.
May 07th 2013
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           THIS SHIT IS DEFINITELY ARCHIVED...
May 07th 2013
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           Contra spray gun smile
May 07th 2013
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           I didn't know what to say for about 5 min after reading this
May 07th 2013
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           LMAO!!!!
May 07th 2013
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           flawless victory....I'm laughing like shit lol
May 07th 2013
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           RE: He got a contra spray gun smile and his face hard
May 07th 2013
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           Holy Fucn Shit
May 07th 2013
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           Greatest reply in the history of the internet
May 08th 2013
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           hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
May 08th 2013
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           LMAO!!
May 08th 2013
145
           OH SHIT!!!!
Sep 19th 2013
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      difference is no one is dumb enough to hand mash the keys to a team
May 07th 2013
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      i've seen ire and i've seen sane - Sweet Voice James
May 07th 2013
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      damn.
May 07th 2013
25
      fiyah!
May 07th 2013
42
      *gunshots*
May 08th 2013
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not a good move to put him right in that spot...he needs to work
May 07th 2013
6
sounds totally fucking insane.
May 07th 2013
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They need a Daryl Morey-level genius to grab that 8 seed
May 07th 2013
13
nope...he can do it. what qualifications does he need?
May 07th 2013
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According to Guiness: be white talk about about usage rates
May 07th 2013
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      basix. he got harden for some potted plants and won't build a thing
May 07th 2013
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           you really co-signing this bozo above?
May 07th 2013
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                You just dodged the question and proved my point
May 07th 2013
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                LOL - you're a funny dude
May 07th 2013
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                     Well, I might be a genius like a white GM and sign James Harden.
May 07th 2013
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                          like magic johnson or michael jordan did?
May 07th 2013
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                               ^Aaand O_E baits him into an openly racist reply.
May 07th 2013
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                               i agree. his reply is racist.
May 07th 2013
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                               I did a double take when I read that. Like "huh?"
May 07th 2013
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                               lol you never divert this way if you actually think you have a point
May 07th 2013
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                               Too late dogg. You made a racist reply. Apologize.
May 07th 2013
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                               HA!
May 07th 2013
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                                    Apologize, you little pussy.
May 08th 2013
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                                         oh fuck off
May 09th 2013
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                               he can spell?
May 08th 2013
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                                    lol
May 09th 2013
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                               he don't believe race is a real thing guys
May 07th 2013
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                                    here's the thing...if he had a real point and believed in it
May 08th 2013
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                                         You may not believe in race, but what you said was racist.
May 08th 2013
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                               did I miss Magic as a GM? do Mike's flaws as an exec seem like the ones
May 07th 2013
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                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
May 07th 2013
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                               Basically.
May 07th 2013
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                               that is not the same as "good"
May 07th 2013
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                                    so 'Sixers suck'=sum total of your reply to all that? Fairly telling.
May 07th 2013
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                                         i mean...he is a former player, and thats the extent of his quals
May 08th 2013
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                                              ARE there any qualifications to be a GM?
May 08th 2013
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                                              exactly.
May 08th 2013
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                                              maybe, maybe not
May 08th 2013
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                                                   Being white seems to help.
May 08th 2013
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                                                   I think hiring a rookie GM is a crap-shoot in general
May 08th 2013
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                                              LOL, 33 year-old white dude with no bball pedigree working for 3 years
May 08th 2013
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                                                   well for one, a REALLY low bar
May 08th 2013
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                                                        A low bar for white boys who aren't qualified, you mean.
May 08th 2013
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                               I mean, that's different, you dont think Hill TRAINED ON THE JOB?
May 09th 2013
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                Well, I'd argue he's not gonna be a current player for too long.
May 07th 2013
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                     i get that.
May 07th 2013
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                          He could be a genius who understands TS% and sign James Harden.
May 07th 2013
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                          I don't get why you keep harping on the Harden thing
May 07th 2013
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                               It was a smart move but not necessarily an under the radar move
May 09th 2013
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                          if he's gonna be the Suns' GM, he's obviously gonna retire as a player
May 07th 2013
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                          Wait - you're the guy who thinks assistant coaches/video guys...
May 07th 2013
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                          could he really do worse than ernie fucking grunfeld?
May 07th 2013
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does anyone really know...
May 07th 2013
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I like Grant Hill. I think he would do well if he hires a consultant
May 07th 2013
26
Right, so nevermind...(Twitter swipe)
May 07th 2013
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totally unqualified
May 07th 2013
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He's a genius...I'll bet he offers Chris Paul a max contract.
May 07th 2013
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that's more of a genius signing than harden, for real.
May 07th 2013
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      Harden was an undersized two who Morey discovered from Ukraine.
May 07th 2013
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3 years as celtics assistant GM.....
May 07th 2013
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      33, 3 seasons as Ainge's assistant while the C's made ZERO major moves
May 08th 2013
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           http://tinyurl.com/d4yeocr
May 08th 2013
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           RE: http://tinyurl.com/d4yeocr
May 08th 2013
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           experience as a players doesn't equate to experience in front office
May 08th 2013
122
                experience as a go-fer for Danny Ainge has no correlation to being a bos...
May 08th 2013
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                     Getting Danny Ainge's coffee = genius enough to sign Chris Paul
May 08th 2013
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                     shouldn't we look at how former players have done as GMs
May 09th 2013
152
                          Should we wonder why West, Dumars, Ainge & Bird were left off your list?
May 09th 2013
161
Good pick
May 07th 2013
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Well there goes that.....
May 07th 2013
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Indeed
May 07th 2013
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Suns should have hired him imo
May 07th 2013
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They'd be setting him up to fail though.
May 07th 2013
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Kind of a junk situation for him plus black execs laying low now
May 09th 2013
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Plenty of quotables here. Carry on.
May 07th 2013
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nowhere to go but up
May 07th 2013
nowhere to go but up
May 07th 2013
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Ba, you're a fool, I'm here wondering how this shit got so much traffic
May 07th 2013
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...a bitch (c) Fab 5 doc
May 07th 2013
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Goof for Ryan, but com'n
May 07th 2013
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obviously lots of nepotism.
May 08th 2013
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      Thats kinda not nepotism tho.
May 08th 2013
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      stop with the bullshit, the GM is the head of the organization
May 08th 2013
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           wouldn't that be team president?
May 08th 2013
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                I don't know why you're hinging everything on *this season*
May 08th 2013
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                cool, cool.
May 08th 2013
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                     Sounds like he's almost as qualified as RealBillyOcean
May 08th 2013
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                     ***preps resume***
May 08th 2013
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                     Nothin to do w/lotto on Bassy but Rondo who I called a steal there was a...
May 08th 2013
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                          what's your point?
May 08th 2013
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                          I said 'Asst GM' for 3 years, in those 3 years they made 0 good moves
May 08th 2013
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                               He backed away from that argument. Picks don't matter to him now.
May 08th 2013
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                          In the Celtics defense Sully can play & the rest are shit picks.
May 08th 2013
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                               avery bradley was a decent pick at 19.
May 08th 2013
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                               you might wanna actually read what I wrote, I clearly said Asst GM
May 08th 2013
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                                    dude, i don't give a shit about his picks.
May 08th 2013
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                                         clearly u dont-I wouldnt either if the last 4 were JuJuan/Sully/Fab/Kris
May 08th 2013
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                                         coaching and being GM are not the same thing.
May 08th 2013
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                                              You're honestly an awful person.
May 08th 2013
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                                              RE: coaching and being GM are not the same thing.
May 08th 2013
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                                                   haha
May 08th 2013
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                                                        RE: haha
May 08th 2013
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                                         You are SUCH a fucking PUSSY. Seriously
May 08th 2013
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                                              LOL his whole shit sounds like white criticisms of affirmative action
May 09th 2013
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                               Sully *can't* play physically, thats the whole reason he was still there
May 08th 2013
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                                    Nah, Sully needed surgery and tried to play through it.
May 08th 2013
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                                         he was available....bcuz he had an injury history....he then got injured...
May 08th 2013
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                                              Those are low 1's and a 2nd round pick.
May 08th 2013
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                                                   good GMs seem to make those work, meanwhile none of those guys
May 08th 2013
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                                                        The C's needed bigs going into both drafts.
May 08th 2013
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                                                             and they gonna keep needing bigs if they keep picking big busts
May 08th 2013
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                                                                  I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie.
May 08th 2013
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                                                                       RE: I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie.
May 08th 2013
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                                                                            RE: I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie.
May 08th 2013
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                                                                                 RE: I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie.
May 08th 2013
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                Actually, the opposite is happening
May 08th 2013
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ARCHIVE
May 07th 2013
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This post title is gonna be confusing in the archives.
May 08th 2013
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I want one of the photoshop warriors
May 08th 2013
110
http://oi43.tinypic.com/2v9xc7o.jpg
May 08th 2013
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      Quick effort there
May 08th 2013
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SMH
May 09th 2013
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Nice how you didn't focus on the senseless anti-Hill stuff.
May 09th 2013
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because it's just wrong, not outright absurd, imaginary and fabricated
May 09th 2013
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      My ONLY ISSUE here is the double standard. NOT Mcdonaghafdafdsf
May 09th 2013
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Danny Ferry a bad GM now? when that happen?
May 09th 2013
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      lmao
May 09th 2013
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How was this not archived?
Sep 18th 2013
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Upping this again so it'll get archived.
Jun 02nd 2016
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Upping this again in the hopes it'll get archived. n/m
Dec 27th 2016
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I just sent an inbox to a mod asking for archive.
Dec 27th 2016
167

TheRealBillyOcean
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1. "Because when people think about the "NBA" & "Winning"..."
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the 2 names that always come up are "Grant Hill" and "the Phoenix Suns".

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Basaglia
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2. "they sure don't talk about mashburn and dentistry. "
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you can leave now.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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Orbit_Established
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3. "Lock and archive, I can't deal with this right now. I'm TOAST"
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SHIT



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4. "LMAO"
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5. "http://oi54.tinypic.com/dvkgnr.jpg"
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7. "Mashburn got a rich man's smile though...... "
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http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/MashGraduation.jpg

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Basaglia
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10. "He got a contra spray gun smile and his face hard"
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grant gettin microsoft money wit dat tru life cosby family he got...he spent a chunk of that 80 mil he stole from FILA and bought all da black people art...all of it...museums be callin him tryna be friends.

mash bought some played out ass fash food places, capitalizing off the community's deadly relationship with food.

SPREAD TEETH MASH: Quentavia, where dat big ass shipment of pink slime and ammonia sulfate. WE NEED DAT! DIS IS A BIDNESS!

ELEGANT G: Tamia, honey, you'll never guess who called today. The Corcoran. Yes, apparently the new director is obsessed with Romare Bearden. Why don't we 69 for an hour while the kids are at ballet and soccer and I'll think about their offer.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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TheRealBillyOcean
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12. "Fam, I couldn't understand 95% of that. You posting like Nigger Jim."
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I do not have time to decode dialect.

You just trying to salvage something about Grant to be happy about. Hooray!

He's gonna fail at being a G.M. too.

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Basaglia
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14. "i don't understand why you care what grant does. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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18. "You posted it. Don't be sad when cats disagree."
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Basaglia
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19. "you know i don't care about disagreements. i invite that. "
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anger sometimes catches me off guard, even if i'm chasing it.

you mad, dogg.

grant an ambassador.

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"Anger? Lol...of course it's anger when I disagree."


  

          

There's zero evidence that shows Grant Hill would be a good G.M. for the Suns.
The Suns aren't a winning organization.

Them shits are facts.

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Basaglia
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27. "who cares? just give him a massive corner office wit a PS3 and 2k14 "
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he gonna make things happen...i'm sure of it.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

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30. "You won't be able to get anybody mad off this. Trust."
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You're gonna be sitting there trying to pick out trends in Kendall Marshall's fg% go from 38% to 39% back to 37% and watching Wesley Johnsons +/-.

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32. "man, i BET you he get rid of them within 3 months at the gig"
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grant seems like he'd be ruthless as a GM, because his mom's a straight business person and all his decision would be logic-based and tactless.

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33. "yeah right, Kendall shows up with sweater vest all light skin..."
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and earnest and shit.

Talking about Virginia or wherever he's from.

That shit would melt Grant's heart.

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Basaglia
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35. "hopefully, we'll find out"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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36. "lol...if we do, that roster once he starts working will be yours"
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the ROSTER

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16. "This is funniest thing I've ever read in my life. Ever. n/m"
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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21. "jive."
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>grant gettin microsoft money wit dat tru life cosby family he
>got...he spent a chunk of that 80 mil he stole from FILA and
>bought all da black people art...all of it...museums be callin
>him tryna be friends.
>
>mash bought some played out ass fash food places, capitalizing
>off the community's deadly relationship with food.
>
>SPREAD TEETH MASH: Quentavia, where dat big ass shipment of
>pink slime and ammonia sulfate. WE NEED DAT! DIS IS A
>BIDNESS!
>
>ELEGANT G: Tamia, honey, you'll never guess who called today.
>The Corcoran. Yes, apparently the new director is obsessed
>with Romare Bearden. Why don't we 69 for an hour while the
>kids are at ballet and soccer and I'll think about their
>offer.

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22. "Lol!!!!!"
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>SPREAD TEETH MASH: Quentavia, where dat big ass shipment of
>pink slime and ammonia sulfate. WE NEED DAT! DIS IS A
>BIDNESS!

_________________________

  

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24. "Good lord...I was dead at the subject line, then it got BETTER"
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------------------------------
'19-'20 Bubble Lakers

X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X.X

2020 NBA Champions

  

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165. "this post should be legendary, it did get even better in the body"
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which should be impossible since the subject/title was the most amazing reply ever

  

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37. "bwahahahahahahaha shit i'm rolling"
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PSN ID - dirty_MF_bucks

  

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38. "No, I'm serious. This is the funniest thing I've ever read. Ever. n/m"
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----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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82. "this dude said "contra spray gun smile"....."
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dawg I'm typing this with tears running down my face.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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40. "Archive."
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For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

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43. "THIS SHIT IS DEFINITELY ARCHIVED..."
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..sheesh

*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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68. "Contra spray gun smile"
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Holy smokes.

  

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73. "I didn't know what to say for about 5 min after reading this"
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†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††
http://s17.postimg.org/6r7bfqpnz/kyrieglass.jpg - They Call Him Mr. Glass

  

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76. "LMAO!!!!"
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78. "flawless victory....I'm laughing like shit lol"
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Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Hiper18Yc

  

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80. "RE: He got a contra spray gun smile and his face hard"
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ha2uyfh71rwcc6bo1_400.gif

----
bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

  

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84. "Holy Fucn Shit"
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http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1417026_o.gif

shit the line about Hill telling Tamia about art and 69ing and the kids at soccer practice LOFL... the opening line was etherous enough

  

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89. "Greatest reply in the history of the internet"
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Bz80e6kWy-g/USUbvD8_B-I/AAAAAAAAKw8/hau1V82mSFQ/s1600/the-one.gif

  

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119. "hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"
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--------
Twitter: _TheloniousFunk
Instagram: thelonious_funk_

  

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145. "LMAO!!"
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@GetoutTheroom
http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
******************************************
https://twitter.com/Jayric

  

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163. "OH SHIT!!!!"
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New Mantra: anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg


Take advantage of 25% off www.karmaloop.com w/ rep code JR9103 | Nike, G-Star, Herschel, Adidas etc.
+ Wome

  

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8. "difference is no one is dumb enough to hand mash the keys to a team"
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9. "i've seen ire and i've seen sane - Sweet Voice James"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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25. "damn. "
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42. "fiyah!"
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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112. "*gunshots*"
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http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
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6. "not a good move to put him right in that spot...he needs to work"
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under a mentor in another capacity first..

I was looking at an interview with the Golden State GM Bob Myers


FROM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


But anyways he was talking about how Jerry West took him under his wing ...after Myers was an agent for some years...

that experience was huge for him.... Now he's put together a very young and exciting playoff team...the right trades...the right signings..the right hires..

Grant could be a good GM....I'm sure he could...but to just put him in the spot right away isn't the right move IMO...

  

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11. "sounds totally fucking insane."
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i'm sure grant is very sharp and likable and whatever other qualities they're looking for, but isn't he wildly unqualified to make personnel decisions for a basketball organization? maybe the idea is that he'd just be a respected figurehead/recruiter.

  

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13. "They need a Daryl Morey-level genius to grab that 8 seed"
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>i'm sure grant is very sharp and likable and whatever other
>qualities they're looking for, but isn't he wildly unqualified
>to make personnel decisions for a basketball organization?
>maybe the idea is that he'd just be a respected
>figurehead/recruiter.



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15. "nope...he can do it. what qualifications does he need?"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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17. "According to Guiness: be white talk about about usage rates"
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That's pretty much all those GMs do

We just call them a genius for obvious shit like
signing James Harden to a max deal he was going to
get already


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20. "basix. he got harden for some potted plants and won't build a thing"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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23. "you really co-signing this bozo above?"
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cmon

look, the suns are clearly familiar with grant from being in their organization. they know infinitely more about how he would perform as a GM than we do. but on the surface, hiring a *current player* to be in charge of personnel decisions, signings, cap issues, drafting, etc is insane. unless, as i said, it's a ceremonial role.

there are former players as GMs--ainge, dumars, paxson, ferry, etc--but installing a dude who's a *current player* in that position seems like a major reach.

  

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28. "You just dodged the question and proved my point"
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You didn't answer the question as to why Grant Hill
should'nt get the job.

>cmon
>
>look, the suns are clearly familiar with grant from being in
>their organization. they know infinitely more about how he
>would perform as a GM than we do.

Which means you should probably shut the entire fuck up,
but carry on.

but on the surface, hiring a
>*current player* to be in charge of personnel decisions,
>signings, cap issues, drafting, etc is insane. unless, as i
>said, it's a ceremonial role.

"On the surface" means he's not a white dweeb who sucks
at sports like Morey.

If the Suns hired a random white guy who was an alleged
"thinker" you wouldn't say anything.

>there are former players as GMs--ainge, dumars, paxson, ferry,
>etc--but installing a dude who's a *current player* in that
>position seems like a major reach.

LOL

And what was Ainge's great move other than being white and
a former Celtic and getting McHale to give away Garnett?
The Jason Terry move?

Dumars? Same one who drafted Darko Milcic? (nice racial
token job there)

Ferry? Bwahhaaha. Stop

You can't name a single reason why Grant Hill doesn't
deserve this job any less than those random white nerds
who get jobs who you don't complain about, or even worse,
call a genius for signing James Harden.


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39. "LOL - you're a funny dude"
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making up reasons to shit on championship GM's now?

there is literally no reason to think that G Hill will be a competant GM

>>cmon
>>
>>look, the suns are clearly familiar with grant from being in
>>their organization. they know infinitely more about how he
>>would perform as a GM than we do.

>Which means you should probably shut the entire fuck up,
>but carry on.

and then you turn around and say that because the most incompetant franchise in the nba likes him he must be ready lmao

as tho PHX is a model for sound decision making

lol

  

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41. "Well, I might be a genius like a white GM and sign James Harden. "
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>there is literally no reason to think that G Hill will be a
>competant GM

Well, duh

He's black and is actually good at basketball

We'll see if he has the heightened statistical understanding
to run a team

He better get them regressions and markov chains down if
he wants to recognize how James Harden's beard will do in
Houston and how to capitalize on that residual Yao Ming
fan money

Only the best and the brightest can figure that out



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44. "like magic johnson or michael jordan did?"
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>
>Well, duh
>
>He's black and is actually good at basketball
>
>We'll see if he has the heightened statistical understanding
>to run a team
>
>He better get them regressions and markov chains down if
>he wants to recognize how James Harden's beard will do in
>Houston and how to capitalize on that residual Yao Ming
>fan money
>
>Only the best and the brightest can figure that out

  

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46. "^Aaand O_E baits him into an openly racist reply. "
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Look at him, y'all.

Its 2013, and I still got it.

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47. "i agree. his reply is racist. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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48. "I did a double take when I read that. Like "huh?" "
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Wha?

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51. "lol you never divert this way if you actually think you have a point"
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does grant hill have anything going for him that magic johnson did not?

no.

is Grant Hill more likely to end up like Magic than Joe Dumars?

yes.

good talk.

  

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59. "Too late dogg. You made a racist reply. Apologize. "
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I'm listening.

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65. "HA!"
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133. "Apologize, you little pussy. "
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I'm not the due who work in your mail room, show
some respect

Apologize for being an idiot


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148. "oh fuck off"
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134. "he can spell?"
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>does grant hill have anything going for him that magic
>johnson did not?


<----- Long Live The King

  

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149. "lol"
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85. "he don't believe race is a real thing guys"
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he LOLs @ race constantly

  

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88. "here's the thing...if he had a real point and believed in it"
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he would have never turned the narrative that way

race came up because he had nothing real to contribute

sort of like how he falsely sums up peoples arguments into something stupid to draw eyes away from his own lack of one

i mean this is OE 101 really, and not deserving of anything more than lolz

  

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131. "You may not believe in race, but what you said was racist. "
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I'd be mad and copping pleas if I was you too.

What you said was racist.

I'll keep reminding you.

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60. "did I miss Magic as a GM? do Mike's flaws as an exec seem like the ones"
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that would plague a guy like Grant Hill?

It's kinda ridiculous how out-of-your-way a few of y'all are going to pretend that GrantfuckingHill is somehow a reach as an NBA exec.

When you're of a certain stature, are known as a cerebral dude & also were a Hall of Fame (or close) player than you don't need to wait in the same line as others, that's just how it is.

Do people really think Grant Hill wouldn't hire some capologist/metrics guy or guys to work alongside him while he makes the final calls & heads up the franchise face in the media/with-fans/etc?

Didn't Larry Bird get both Head Coach & President Of Basketball Operations gigs without having a french lick of experience in those areas?

Didn't he delegate & do kinda ok in both of them, while not being as good with the media or being considered very intellectual?

I would hire Grant Hill to GM the Sixers right today & feel pretty confident he'd be better than anyone we had in the seat since......well, my entire life basically.

  

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61. "^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>that would plague a guy like Grant Hill?
>
>It's kinda ridiculous how out-of-your-way a few of y'all are
>going to pretend that GrantfuckingHill is somehow a reach as
>an NBA exec.
>
>When you're of a certain stature, are known as a cerebral dude
>& also were a Hall of Fame (or close) player than you don't
>need to wait in the same line as others, that's just how it
>is.
>
>Do people really think Grant Hill wouldn't hire some
>capologist/metrics guy or guys to work alongside him while he
>makes the final calls & heads up the franchise face in the
>media/with-fans/etc?
>
>Didn't Larry Bird get both Head Coach & President Of
>Basketball Operations gigs without having a french lick of
>experience in those areas?
>
>Didn't he delegate & do kinda ok in both of them, while not
>being as good with the media or being considered very
>intellectual?
>
>I would hire Grant Hill to GM the Sixers right today & feel
>pretty confident he'd be better than anyone we had in the seat
>since......well, my entire life basically.


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64. "Basically."
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I mean, Steve Kerr had broadcasting experience and that was it. Grant Hill may be a terrible GM, but there's no way to just assume he's going to be right off the bat.

It's a shame this dude is a Laker fan and doesn't realize that Magic was simply a (bad) coach, and not an exec...

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66. "that is not the same as "good""
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>I would hire Grant Hill to GM the Sixers right today & feel
>pretty confident he'd be better than anyone we had in the seat
>since......well, my entire life basically.

  

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72. "so 'Sixers suck'=sum total of your reply to all that? Fairly telling."
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87. "i mean...he is a former player, and thats the extent of his quals"
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he might be good

he might not

but going right from the bench to the front office without any sort of apprenticeship or anything seems rushed and clumsy

and the reason i said that is that im sure there are a lot of teams that would have rather had grant hill than whatever GM they had. the kind of owner that keeps awful GM's around is the same kind that would hire a totally unproven former player so thats where they end up going. they also have the worst roster in the NBA so there isnt even anything to build on.

hiring mcdonough instead of Hill, on its face, seems like the best front office decision PHX has made in years

  

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91. "ARE there any qualifications to be a GM?"
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We know what a GM generally has to do, but it seems like good GMs have come from various backgrounds, including being a recent player.

Apprenticeship sounds great but I don't think there's any basis to saying that being a recent player precludes you from being a good GM.

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97. "exactly. "
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>We know what a GM generally has to do, but it seems like good
>GMs have come from various backgrounds, including being a
>recent player.
>
>Apprenticeship sounds great but I don't think there's any
>basis to saying that being a recent player precludes you from
>being a good GM.

  

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100. "maybe, maybe not"
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but there is nothing objective anyone can point to and say "oh yeah he'll be good"

in reality, there is a bunch of circumstantial shit like

"playing for coach k"
"he was injured for a long time im sure he learned something"
"he went to really good schools"
yadda yadda yadda

one position is no more outlandish than the other, and on top of that he's assigning Guinness's idea to me ("insane")

i do think hiring McDonogh is the best move PHX has made in years but if they had made any other good moves they wouldnt be here now would they?

  

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104. "Being white seems to help. "
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>but there is nothing objective anyone can point to and say
>"oh yeah he'll be good"


Whiteness.


>in reality, there is a bunch of circumstantial shit like
>
>"playing for coach k"

That's less relevant than being an "assistant" in the
Jeff Green trade?

>"he was injured for a long time im sure he learned something"

Never heard this.

>"he went to really good schools"

That's part of how Morey got his job.

>yadda yadda yadda

Yeah, like you hear whenever a white person gets a job.

>one position is no more outlandish than the other, and on top
>of that he's assigning Guinness's idea to me ("insane")

Problem is, you're defending the white guy and chastising the
black guy.

>i do think hiring McDonogh is the best move PHX has made in
>years but if they had made any other good moves they wouldnt
>be here now would they?

I'd start backtracking if I was you.


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121. "I think hiring a rookie GM is a crap-shoot in general"
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I kinda feel you that hiring an apprentice at least appears less risky... I don't know if it actually carries any weight.

Being a GM is such a combination of soft and hard skills that I don't think you can tell if someone really can do the job until you see them do it for you.

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95. "LOL, 33 year-old white dude with no bball pedigree working for 3 years"
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as Danny Ainge 'assistant' who 'assisted' in signing Jeff Green & selecting four players in the past two drafts who will be out of the league before their rookie contracts are up and was the son of a Boston Globe sports columnist & brother who also was a nepotism hire has been failing for the past four years as the Jags' Director of Player Personnel while they regularly hold court as one of the worst teams in the league?

That's better than a Coach K disciple who played on two NCAA title teams, won Gold as an Olympian under the league's all time winningest coach, has been on an NBA roster for the past twenty years (including 6/7 years he pretty much couldn't do anything physically so was forced to 'observe'), is great with the meida, has the respect of the entire league and is commonly thought as one of his generation's best ambassadors for the sport & most thoughtful cats in the league?!?!

Not even just that, it's 'one of the most brilliant hires they've made'? LMFAO, BASED ON WHAT?!?!

Did Jerry West have experience before being handed head coaching gigs & then GM gigs?

(I'll tell you since you clearly don't seem to know, the answer is NO).

That turn out alright?

Larry Bird?

Pat Riley?

What are y'all really even talking about?

It's GRANT HILL.

This dude has been groomed to be an Executive, a Senator, or whatever the fuck he wants to put his mind/effort into post-playing-career (something he's been forced by injury to look towards dating back to the late 90s) since he was a fucking teenager.

Yet somehow this Masshole Sportswriter's Son who got the Assistant C's GM gig off Boston connections, who's seven years younger than Grant who has been working in the league for three non-descript seasons with the C's as Ainge's waterboy is now a more worthy candidate?!?

THAT GUY paid dues and GRANT HILL hasn't?!?

GTFOHWTWBS, y'all don't even seem to understand how silly & lilly you sound.

You must just be mad at O_E or Ba if you're really trying to prop this dude up.

  

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99. "well for one, a REALLY low bar"
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>Not even just that, it's 'one of the most brilliant hires
>they've made'? LMFAO, BASED ON WHAT?!?!

but as for the rest of that, its a coin flip

*shrug*

  

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106. "A low bar for white boys who aren't qualified, you mean. "
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159. "I mean, that's different, you dont think Hill TRAINED ON THE JOB?"
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I gotta say that 9/10 times when I talk to a former player turned exec, they tell me they tell me they started training during their career. Of the guys who battled injuries, that's more like 10/10.

Guys like Jordan and Magic are kind of the exceptions. Sure they were into the business side of things but maybe not the front office specifically. They were given the gig based on their pedigree as players. Is that going to happen with Hill, who is like 15 years removed from stardom? Doubtful.

Hill had plenty of down time to study up on the business side. Even if he did not have that time, he still could have prepared adequately, especially if he started early.

I cannot do anything more than speculation on his level of preparedness but if I had to guess, he's not a bad pony to back.

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29. "Well, I'd argue he's not gonna be a current player for too long."
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>
>there are former players as GMs--ainge, dumars, paxson, ferry,
>etc--but installing a dude who's a *current player* in that
>position seems like a major reach.

As in like, he's retiring.

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31. "i get that."
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just appears rash to parachute a guy with absolutely no experience into a position where his peers are morey, ujiri, riley, walsh, presti, etc.

then again, he can't possibility be worse than colangelo or dem specs.

  

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34. "He could be a genius who understands TS% and sign James Harden."
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And you're still dodging the question


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70. "I don't get why you keep harping on the Harden thing"
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Harden was a really good player in OKC, but never had to be the guy to carry the team night after night. He was the best sixth man in the league, and people thought he could be really good, but he had yet to be the #1 option on a team. He had seven career starts in OKC.

Morey gave up practically nothing, and convinced OKC to part ways with him, (a year before they had to) and the gamble paid off, as Harden blossomed into a star.

Now, the Rockets have the inside track to re-sign him, as they can offer him a longer contract worth more money, and he didn't have to give up any pieces to get him.

Is that not a smart move? If it was so obvious, how come no other GM beat him out for it? No one could have done better than Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and two draft picks?

*Jews you*

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153. "It was a smart move but not necessarily an under the radar move"
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Did teams have the assets to get it done? Some of them, yes, but most with any picks of value were lousy teams so that's limiting and regardless of quality teams had to also have the contracts and financial flexibility going forward to make it work.

So I don't think there was a short line of teams that would have wanted Harden and as a central player to their team, but I do think Houston was in the best position to make the move and, in turn, made a shrewd deal.

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58. "if he's gonna be the Suns' GM, he's obviously gonna retire as a player"
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I mean he didn't even crack the playoff rotation for the Clippers when they were running Turiaf/Hollins out there for 25 minutes a night & starting Googley-Eye-Butler.

He knows that part of his life is probably finally over but he's a smart dude who undoubtedly learned some things over the course of his decorated college/international careers along with his two full decades in the NBA which featured about six or seven years of being forced to mostly watch due to injury in the middle of it.

He's basically going to be the same age Steve Kerr was (41) when the Suns pulled him out of his brief post-retirement broadcasting career to take over as their GM back in the mid-to-late-aughts.

Same with John Paxson after Krause left & he came down from the booth.

We could easily start a pretty long list of people less qualified going into this gig than Grant Hill over the years.

  

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67. "Wait - you're the guy who thinks assistant coaches/video guys..."
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Are supposed to tell the coach how to do his job, right?

Why wouldn't you assume that many of the GM's responsibilities would be delegated to other people?

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74. "could he really do worse than ernie fucking grunfeld?"
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>just appears rash to parachute a guy with absolutely no
>experience into a position where his peers are morey, ujiri,
>riley, walsh, presti, etc.
>
>then again, he can't possibility be worse than colangelo or
>dem specs.

seriously. like where does this bullshit ass speculation come from? do you only watch HALF of the NBA?

  

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45. "does anyone really know..."
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..what hill's done in his downtime regarding front office work?




*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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26. "I like Grant Hill. I think he would do well if he hires a consultant "
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I still don't know how John Paxson beat out BJ Armstrong for the Bulls GM back when, but if Pax and Gar/Pax can do it, hell Grant Hill can too.


More power to him.

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49. "Right, so nevermind...(Twitter swipe)"
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https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/331827191044268033

Marc Spears says: Suns have hired Ryan McDonough as GM

This thread is still great tho

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50. "totally unqualified"
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52. "He's a genius...I'll bet he offers Chris Paul a max contract."
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BECAUSE HE JUST KNOWS

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69. "that's more of a genius signing than harden, for real. "
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79. "Harden was an undersized two who Morey discovered from Ukraine."
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According to Guinness and friends.


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71. "3 years as celtics assistant GM..... "
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86. "33, 3 seasons as Ainge's assistant while the C's made ZERO major moves"
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unless you count paying Jeff Green plus coming off two terrible drafts (Damaged Goods Sully, then the wack Fat Melo/Kris Joseph combo, JaJuan Johnson the year before who's already out of the league in 2011).

Other than that, what? Being a Boston Globe columnist's son?

That trumps Grant Hill's past two decades in terms of being qualified for this role?!?

I honestly don't know what y'all are talking about at all in this thread.

  

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90. "http://tinyurl.com/d4yeocr"
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http://tinyurl.com/d4yeocr

  

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93. "RE: http://tinyurl.com/d4yeocr"
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122. "experience as a players doesn't equate to experience in front office"
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>unless you count paying Jeff Green plus coming off two
>terrible drafts (Damaged Goods Sully, then the wack Fat
>Melo/Kris Joseph combo, JaJuan Johnson the year before who's
>already out of the league in 2011).
>
>Other than that, what? Being a Boston Globe columnist's son?
>
>That trumps Grant Hill's past two decades in terms of being
>qualified for this role?!?
>
>I honestly don't know what y'all are talking about at all in
>this thread.


There is nothing about Grant Hill that's a guaratee his playing career would equate to success as a GM without first getting some front office experience....nothing at all.

He's smart...he's a good dude from a good family...but none of that means he would make a good GM right way.

experience as a player imo could equate to getting a coaching job right after retirement because that's about the play on the court....Front office...GM stuff is about business...completely different..

I go back to Bob Myers...one of the best young GMs in the game right now....he played in college but not the NBA....he was an agent first...then Jerry West took him under his wing to work in a front office......now he's a GM...

Kupchek was a player...but didn't go right into being a GM...first againt Jerry West mentored him and he eventually became a GM.

the guy Phoenix hired has front office experience under a successful GM for a successful franchise.... that holds more weight for the job than just being a player.

  

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125. "experience as a go-fer for Danny Ainge has no correlation to being a bos..."
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>>unless you count paying Jeff Green plus coming off two
>>terrible drafts (Damaged Goods Sully, then the wack Fat
>>Melo/Kris Joseph combo, JaJuan Johnson the year before who's
>>already out of the league in 2011).
>>
>>Other than that, what? Being a Boston Globe columnist's son?
>>
>>That trumps Grant Hill's past two decades in terms of being
>>qualified for this role?!?
>>
>>I honestly don't know what y'all are talking about at all in
>>this thread.
>
>
>There is nothing about Grant Hill that's a guaratee his
>playing career would equate to success as a GM without first
>getting some front office experience....nothing at all.
>
nothing in life is guaranteed, if you're a journalism school white boy who didn't even play high school ball then you might take a different road than a twenty-year-NBA-playing vet with a legacy.

You are saying......nothing at all.

>He's smart...he's a good dude from a good family...but none of
>that means he would make a good GM right way.
>
I don't even know if McDonough's very smart, was never a fan of his dad's columns, his brother's currentlty fucking up the Jaguars royally & both got into the business of sports because of who their dad was.

>experience as a player imo could equate to getting a coaching
>job right after retirement because that's about the play on
>the court....Front office...GM stuff is about
>business...completely different..
>
Dude, it's knowing the salary cap, being able to evaluate & make draft picks, spending money on the right guys, etc.

It's actually not as hard as you might think, you just either have it or you don't.

>I go back to Bob Myers...one of the best young GMs in the game
>right now....he played in college but not the NBA....he was an
>agent first...then Jerry West took him under his wing to work
>in a front office......now he's a GM...
>
Funny you should mention Jerry West, since he had zero coaching & then zero GM experience before getting each gig.

>Kupchek was a player...but didn't go right into being a
>GM...first againt Jerry West mentored him and he eventually
>became a GM.
>
>the guy Phoenix hired has front office experience under a
>successful GM for a successful franchise.... that holds more
>weight for the job than just being a player.

The guy Phoenix just fired had front office experience with not one but two franchises more successful than the Celtics were while McDonough was there.

  

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129. "Getting Danny Ainge's coffee = genius enough to sign Chris Paul"
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You're not getting it

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152. "shouldn't we look at how former players have done as GMs"
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particularly one's that didn't have front office experience first..

particularly in recent years..

guys like..

Ferry?
Smith?
Kiki?
Petrie?
Isiah?

how did those dudes..and cats like em do....and how are they doing now..

it's not a given it's gonna work.

  

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161. "Should we wonder why West, Dumars, Ainge & Bird were left off your list?"
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should we ask how these underling with no GM experience guys like McDonough or the guy who preceeded him in Phoenix that just got fired did?

Of course there's no guarantees, I'm saying I'd bet on Grant Hill to be a success in the role but in both his or McDonough's case you won't know until they do it.

  

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53. "Good pick"
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Qualified, metrics guy, white.

  

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54. "Well there goes that....."
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57. "Indeed"
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>This thread is still great tho

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55. "Suns should have hired him imo"
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grant hill would be great as the face of a team
the nba needs more black executives imo
to OEs point Morey been building a 8th seed for 6 yrs and stay getting props for it
so grant woulda got a couple yrs to learn on the job from me

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56. "They'd be setting him up to fail though."
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It's unlikely he'd get the benefit of the doubt to learn on the job.

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151. "Kind of a junk situation for him plus black execs laying low now"
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They had a great run as a group with Joe D and Otis doing their thing but obviously those situations have turned pretty sour. Also, how is the movement going to move while Billy King remains a part of it?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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62. "Plenty of quotables here. Carry on."
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"nowhere to go but up"


  

          

  

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63. "nowhere to go but up"
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75. "Ba, you're a fool, I'm here wondering how this shit got so much traffic"
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And then you go in with "dentistry" and "contra spray gun"

some people are trying to WORK here.

  

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77. "...a bitch (c) Fab 5 doc"
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Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Hiper18Yc

  

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81. "Goof for Ryan, but com'n"
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I actually met Ryan a couple of times, even grabbed a bite with him, good dude. One of my boys in grad school was a fellow manager at UNC with him in undergrad. My man had a great hookup with the Celts while we were in Boston together and he took me to a couple of games (Floor seats at that, sadly might be the last time I get that kind of hookup, this was also the last year pre-KG so that might have been part of it)

The connect for the tickets wasn't Ryan (one of the very minority owners), but he would come down and kicked it at half time, and had dinner another time. he was a scout with the Celtics then. Seems like a smart hard working dude. No doubt he's put in the time.

BUT, come the f'k on, the notion that someone as smart as Grant Hill with 20 years of embedded NBA experience is some how dramatically less qualified than a guy who was a scout for ~5/Assistant GM for 3 is kind of ludicrous. I think RM will do well, but I think Grant would do just as well, and is smart enough to close the small gaps he may have and would arm himself with the appropriate people to help him close that gap.

Also, I like Ryan, broke bread with him ~ 6 yrs back, and my man speaks highly of him, but he got through the door because of nepotism, and who his father is, that simple. He made the best of it, and that's a big part off the reason he's a GM at 33, but the idea that he is such a superior more qualified candidate than Grant is insulting.

  

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92. "obviously lots of nepotism."
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"McDonough’s family is loaded with professional sports ties: His father was Boston Globe columnist Will McDonough; one brother, Sean, is a broadcaster for ESPN; and his other brother, Terry, is director of player personnel for the NFL’s Jacksonville Jaguars. The Boston Globe reports that those family ties helped him get his foot in the door."

that said, he was with the celtics for a decade and started in the scouting department. as for grant hill, i think he probably has the aptitude for the position, but was playing *this season.* i have no idea how involved he's been with front offices over his career, but i think it's fundamentally problematic to hire someone as a GM that isn't an expert on capology or metrics in 2013. that's THE JOB.

  

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94. "Thats kinda not nepotism tho."
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Like at all.

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96. "stop with the bullshit, the GM is the head of the organization"
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it is far easier to find a guy you can have help you with the 'capology' & 'metrics' than to find a guy who actually will set a program/vision in place for the franchise while being the face/head of it.

And pretending off the break that Grant Hill wouldn't have thought about those things enough to even get an interview to pair against this McDonough's son clown whose brother's capology/'metrics' are currently sinking the fucking Jaguars in another sport is funny.

Grant Hill could have hired a dude a couple years out of school better than McDonough who can't even help Ainge figure out how to not burn the use of any player on a cap-friendly rookie-deal or who paid Jeff Green.

  

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98. "wouldn't that be team president?"
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again, i don't want a dude who was playing *this season* to make personnel decisions for my team.
i don't want to have cap/metric stuff explained to him or relayed by other employees.
i don't want him to learn on the job.

grant hill may one day be a great GM, but i wouldn't hand the keys to my organization over to someone who has literally not spent a day working in the front office in any capacity. if you want those things, cool. neither of us has a basketball team.

mcdonough worked for the celtics for 10 years, starting in scouting. he might end up sucking, but posing him as an entitled naif who parachuted into the asst GM position is wildly dishonest.

i think his age is just making 30-plus sports fans furious on some lena dunham shit.

  

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101. "I don't know why you're hinging everything on *this season*"
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he's done playing, he's been preparing to be done playing for quite sometime now.

To pretend he's never looked into any of this 'metric' shit as if it's so complex you need to spend years studying it or can't delegate it to some degree is the stuff that's wildly dishonest.

>again, i don't want a dude who was playing *this season* to
>make personnel decisions for my team.
>i don't want to have cap/metric stuff explained to him or
>relayed by other employees.
>i don't want him to learn on the job.
>
>grant hill may one day be a great GM, but i wouldn't hand the
>keys to my organization over to someone who has literally not
>spent a day working in the front office in any capacity. if
>you want those things, cool. neither of us has a basketball
>team.
>
I'd take him in Philly today.

>mcdonough worked for the celtics for 10 years, starting in
>scouting. he might end up sucking, but posing him as an
>entitled naif who parachuted into the asst GM position is
>wildly dishonest.
>\
We have no idea what he actually did in any of those roles, we do know how he got the role had nothing to do with his ability to assess basketball matters & his period as an Assistant GM has been three years & the Celtics haven't made one move in that time period you'd even consider good.

>i think his age is just making 30-plus sports fans furious on
>some lena dunham shit.

LOL, jesus.

  

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103. "cool, cool."
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you'd be happy with the sixers hiring a dude solely because he's smart, likable and been around pro basketball for a long time. i mean, there's not even a single other nugget of information to indicate what kind of GM he'd be.

all we do know, however, is that he was PLAYING BASKETBALL THIS SEASON.

meanwhile:

"While the rest of the world sort of dropped on Rondo, Ryan continued to evaluate him even higher," says Ainge. "Ryan was pushing very, very hard for Rajon. Ryan was very big in us having that strong of a desire for Rajon."

The Celtics used their lottery pick to acquire Sebastian Telfair, but as the draft continued to unfold, McDonough made a renewed pitch. The price was fairly steep to buy back into the first round and included cash, a future first-round pick and assuming Brian Grant’s contract.

"Ownership deserves a lot of credit for that," McDonough says. "Wyc and Steve said, ‘Alright you guys think he’s going to be that good,’ and it was unanimous that we did. We thought he could be a special player and luckily he was because we asked them to pay a lot of money to go get that pick."

  

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105. "Sounds like he's almost as qualified as RealBillyOcean"
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>"While the rest of the world sort of dropped on Rondo, Ryan
>continued to evaluate him even higher," says Ainge. "Ryan was
>pushing very, very hard for Rajon. Ryan was very big in us
>having that strong of a desire for Rajon."


You're an embarrassment.

Shame on you, seriously.


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111. "***preps resume***"
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107. "Nothin to do w/lotto on Bassy but Rondo who I called a steal there was a..."
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All Will McDonough's kid.

Congrats to him for watching the NCAA tourney the prior year.

Cool, so lemme guess: he was hands off on JaJuan Johnson, Brokeback Sully & those two 'Cuse scrubs too but got overruled?

  

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109. "what's your point?"
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you've been wailing about him being with the celtics for three years.
he's been there ten.
you've been moaning about him not being involved in any good decisions.
i gave you an example for a crucial one that shaped the franchise.

i'm not even riding for this dude, just saying he's been around for a while and has a solid reputation as a scout and numbers guy. you being furious about a guy who has spent a decade in the front office being hired for a front office position is beyond weird.

  

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114. "I said 'Asst GM' for 3 years, in those 3 years they made 0 good moves"
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your evidence of his acumen was that 8 years ago when they traded a lotto pick for Bassy then later got bailed out by Sarver giving away first-rounders & landing Rondo in the 20's (when he was far & away the best player available) he's a bona fide GM star on the rise.

  

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135. "He backed away from that argument. Picks don't matter to him now. "
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Now the fact that he worked in an office is important


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113. "In the Celtics defense Sully can play & the rest are shit picks."
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115. "avery bradley was a decent pick at 19."
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the problem is that bomb flew off the handle thinking this guy had only been working with the celtics for three years. now he's foolishly sticking to his guns, despite the dude being reasonably qualified for the position.

  

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118. "you might wanna actually read what I wrote, I clearly said Asst GM"
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you're foolishly sticking with this dude because he's a 'metrics' guy as if (much like every GM in baseball post-Beane or West-Coast Offense guys in the 2000s NFL) like that really even means anything since every GM hire in this day & age will be one to some degree.

So with five firsts in three years, they landed one guy (Bradley) who will be able to be on a roster post-rookie deal.

Congrats.

  

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120. "dude, i don't give a shit about his picks."
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and maybe he'll be a total fucking disaster.

the point is that he's worked in a front office for ten years, including three as an assistant GM. then he got hired as a GM. if i was hiring someone to be a general manager, background in scouting and, oh, being an assistant general manager would look nice on a resume. they're a team that's going to rebuild through the draft and that's his expertise, apparently.

why on earth would grant hill, who was playing pro ball this season, be more qualified than someone who was AN ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER? is there even another example of a player who went from active to being in charge of trades, signing and contracts without any experience whatsoever?

you suggested giving "final say" in a several-hundred-million-dollar company to someone who has never, ever, ever done any of those things. you'd be comfortable having grant hill negotiate deals with presti or r.c. buford? good god! come on man.

  

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123. "clearly u dont-I wouldnt either if the last 4 were JuJuan/Sully/Fab/Kris"
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>and maybe he'll be a total fucking disaster.
>
>the point is that he's worked in a front office for ten years,
>including three as an assistant GM.

is that the point?

because Lance 'Shootin' Blanks, the bum they just tossed from the job had ten years or more, five with the Spurs & then five with the Cavs as 'Assistant GM'.

You or I have zero years experience but I bet both would have made better draft choices than the Sixers did over the past 25 years.

Stop acting like they're breaking atoms in there.

then he got hired as a GM.
>if i was hiring someone to be a general manager, background in
>scouting and, oh, being an assistant general manager would
>look nice on a resume. they're a team that's going to rebuild
>through the draft and that's his expertise, apparently.
>
>why on earth would grant hill, who was playing pro ball this
>season, be more qualified than someone who was AN ASSISTANT
>GENERAL MANAGER?

Why would Jerry West, Larry Bird or Danny Ainge be better at this job than Lance Blanks, Kevin Pritchard or Larry Harris?

is there even another example of a player who
>went from active to being in charge of trades, signing and
>contracts without any experience whatsoever?
>
there's plenty of guys that went into head coaching & GM slots without experience, yes, including several great ones.

But you're so hung up on the fact that he played in 26 games this season for 15 minutes per that somehow that eliminates his ability to evaluate the league he was playing (mostly sitting/watching much like the whole middle of his career) in for the past two decades.

That's funny to me.

>you suggested giving "final say" in a
>several-hundred-million-dollar company to someone who has
>never, ever, ever done any of those things. you'd be
>comfortable having grant hill negotiate deals with presti or
>r.c. buford? good god! come on man.

'Final Say' means exactly what it means, you make the final call with all the information your team assembled has come up with to that point, make a decision based on that along with your own knowledge/beliefs/research, pull the trigger & own it.

Yes I believe Grant Hill has the smarts along with having served 20 years in blood/sweat equity/firsthand-knowledge-of-the-league-from-inside-out that I'd want in charge of my corporation and think is far less a risk than some crumbumb sportswriter's son with a UNC journalism degree & some years as a go-fer in Boston due to who his daddy is.

Neither has been a 'CEO' buck-stops-here before.

There's actually no question in my mind who I'd rather have. There's hundreds of dudes doing or trying to do what McDonough has done.

Grant Hill on the other hand is one of the more unique individuals in the sport amongst his entire generation, I think giving him a shot would be a safer one plus have more upside.

  

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130. "coaching and being GM are not the same thing."
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>there's plenty of guys that went into head coaching & GM slots
>without experience, yes, including several great ones.

is there one example of a someone who went directly from playing to being a GM?

and all your gushing praise about "blood/sweat equity/firsthand-knowledge-of-the-league-from-inside-out" fits every single veteran. and i'm not even sure how most of that would make him any better prepared to find loopholes in the CBA.

i'm not even riding for this mcdonough dude, but it's fascinating how furious his backstory makes you.

  

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132. "You're honestly an awful person. "
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>i'm not even riding for this mcdonough dude, but it's
>fascinating how furious his backstory makes you.

a) Yes, you are riding for him

b) I don't care about Ryan Mcwhoever. Don't care. My issue is
how quickly you struck down at Grant Hill and yet are squirming
to defend this guy who you know absolutely nothing about.
You've changed your argument and backtracked several times.

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138. "RE: coaching and being GM are not the same thing."
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>>there's plenty of guys that went into head coaching & GM
>slots
>>without experience, yes, including several great ones.
>
>is there one example of a someone who went directly from
>playing to being a GM?
>
There's lots of examples of guys who've never been GMs or in a front-office role coming into the head chair & succeeding, including the guy you're giving McDonough credit for serving under.

Still hung up about those 26 games Grant played this year?

>and all your gushing praise about "blood/sweat
>equity/firsthand-knowledge-of-the-league-from-inside-out" fits
>every single veteran. and i'm not even sure how most of that
>would make him any better prepared to find loopholes in the
>CBA.
>
Do we really need to pretend there's no difference between Grant Hill & Rick Mahorn?

They both played ball for two decades so their chances of success in an executive role are the same?

You gonna pretend that Grant can't hire a cap-specialist as easy or in fact almost surely easier than Ryan McDonough can be the HGMIC?

>i'm not even riding for this mcdonough dude, but it's
>fascinating how furious his backstory makes you.

Nah, trust, y'all are much more furious than I am about this.

I just find it funny that you've convinced yourself one guy is wildly unqualified because he's uh, been sorta busy, over the past two decades while the other was doing kegstands then learning at Danny Ainge's feet after daddy got him a gig.

It's a really amazingly Republican way of looking at things.

  

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141. "haha"
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i hate people from boston too, dude. subhuman southie slime.

but that doesn't change the fact that he's been in player personnel for ten years, and is now taking another job in player personnel. he'll probably suck, since phoenix makes shitty decisions all the time.

but we don't know anything about grant hill that indicates he'd be any good whatsoever at being a GM, other than that he's smart and played hoops for a long time. it's not like he's shane battier, who publicly became the poster boy for metrics and sold lebron on the perils of midrange shooting. maybe hill is exactly the same, but we simply have NO IDEA.

the only current players who would make good GMs:

battier
nash
nick collison
mike dunleavy
spencer hawes
manu
matt bonner
luke babbitt
donatas motiejunas
chase budinger

  

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142. "RE: haha"
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>i hate people from boston too, dude. subhuman southie slime.
>
>but that doesn't change the fact that he's been in player
>personnel for ten years, and is now taking another job in
>player personnel. he'll probably suck, since phoenix makes
>shitty decisions all the time.
>
right, like the last guy with the same resume if not better.

>but we don't know anything about grant hill that indicates
>he'd be any good whatsoever at being a GM, other than that
>he's smart and played hoops for a long time. it's not like
>he's shane battier, who publicly became the poster boy for
>metrics and sold lebron on the perils of midrange shooting.
>maybe hill is exactly the same, but we simply have NO IDEA.
>
Shane Battier publically declares at every opportunity that he doesn't watch basketball & has expressed no interest in doing anything in it post-career.

But I do think Grant Hill is as cerebral as Battier while possessing more cache amongst his peers, following the league closer & being more inclined towards a leadership role.

>the only current players who would make good GMs:
>
>battier
>nash
>nick collison
>mike dunleavy
>spencer hawes
>manu
>matt bonner
>luke babbitt
>donatas motiejunas
>chase budinger
>

  

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127. "You are SUCH a fucking PUSSY. Seriously"
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- FIRST you google random quotes about how he is genius
enough to know secrets of the universe like Rajon Rondo
would be good to argue that he has an eye for talent and
was instrumental in good draft picks

- Then after that point gets fried (because the Celtics'
picks have been awful more than good during his tenure) you
backtrack to "the picks don't matter, he was in a front
office"

You have NO evidence that this guy knows anything MORE
about basketball than Southphillyman. ZERO. ZILCH. You
SELECTIVELY choose ONE DRAFT PICK to make your case and
then backtrack

AND THEN you run behind the fact that he was MERELY IN a
front office, which he ALSO GOT BECAUSE HE IS WHITE and
privileged

You CHANGED your argument to shape-shift and defend
the WHITE BOY that you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.


And you had the NERVE to shit on GRANT HILL!?!?


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150. "LOL his whole shit sounds like white criticisms of affirmative action"
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"what if they aren't qualified? (since we know ALL white people are)" ROFL

>
>- FIRST you google random quotes about how he is genius
>enough to know secrets of the universe like Rajon Rondo
>would be good to argue that he has an eye for talent and
>was instrumental in good draft picks
>
>- Then after that point gets fried (because the Celtics'
>picks have been awful more than good during his tenure) you
>backtrack to "the picks don't matter, he was in a front
>office"
>
>You have NO evidence that this guy knows anything MORE
>about basketball than Southphillyman. ZERO. ZILCH. You
>SELECTIVELY choose ONE DRAFT PICK to make your case and
>then backtrack
>
>AND THEN you run behind the fact that he was MERELY IN a
>front office, which he ALSO GOT BECAUSE HE IS WHITE and
>privileged
>
>You CHANGED your argument to shape-shift and defend
>the WHITE BOY that you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
>
>
>And you had the NERVE to shit on GRANT HILL!?!?
>
>
>You're honestly disgusting and an awful person.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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116. "Sully *can't* play physically, thats the whole reason he was still there"
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the other picks were obvious trash to anyone with half a clue.......but I'm sure those weren't Assistant GM McDunny's fault, just Ainge's.

  

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124. "Nah, Sully needed surgery and tried to play through it."
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He'll be good.

The rest weren't good picks to begin with (late teens, 20's). You hit some, miss some.

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126. "he was available....bcuz he had an injury history....he then got injured..."
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Again.

I'm not convinced he'll be good healthwise for any extended amount of time & if they were gonna take a flyer on him they certainly didn't need to do the same with Fab Melo right aferwards.....then chase that with Kris Joseph.

Someone find me the metric for Syracuse player success in this league post-D.C.

I guarantee you it's a lower percentage than Caramello's worst shooting performance of the season.

  

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128. "Those are low 1's and a 2nd round pick. "
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Who'd you rather have them pick Robert Sacre?

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136. "good GMs seem to make those work, meanwhile none of those guys"
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Would you rather have JuJuan Johnson or Jimmy Butler?

Fab Melo or Teague/Moutrie?

  

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137. "The C's needed bigs going into both drafts."
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So they went big since they were in need of rebounding and shot blocking.

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139. "and they gonna keep needing bigs if they keep picking big busts"
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Moultrie is the same height as Fab Melo, who'd you rather have?

Shit, Lavoy Allen is about a half-inch to an inch shorter but 30 pounds heavier than JuJuan Johnson.

  

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140. "I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie. "
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I'd rather have him.

I thought Johnson was a solid pick.

Moore can play in this league too.

They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a good enough pick.

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143. "RE: I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie. "
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>I'd rather have him.
>
>I thought Johnson was a solid pick.
>
It wasn't.

>Moore can play in this league too.
>
Who?

>They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a good
>enough pick.

They had good enough picks to get somebody better than who they got.

  

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146. "RE: I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie. "
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>>I'd rather have him.
>>
>>I thought Johnson was a solid pick.
>>
>It wasn't.

Of course in hindsight.

But there wasn't much time for him to play. Then he got traded.

>>Moore can play in this league too.
>>
>Who?


Etwuan Moore

>>They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a
>good
>>enough pick.
>
>They had good enough picks to get somebody better than who
>they got.

Again with hindsight, you can pick a player here or there they should've gotten. But other teams passed on them too.

When's the last time the Lakers drafted a solid player?

Its not easy with picks in the 20s.

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147. "RE: I've never watched Melo. I've seen Moultrie. "
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>>>I'd rather have him.
>>>
>>>I thought Johnson was a solid pick.
>>>
>>It wasn't.
>
>Of course in hindsight.
>
>But there wasn't much time for him to play. Then he got
>traded.

dawg he's getting traded around the D-League now.

>
>>>Moore can play in this league too.
>>>
>>Who?
>
>
>Etwuan Moore
>
>>>They're gonna keep needing better bigs until they have a
>>good
>>>enough pick.
>>
>>They had good enough picks to get somebody better than who
>>they got.
>
>Again with hindsight, you can pick a player here or there they
>should've gotten. But other teams passed on them too.
>
of course, with hindsight, what else are we doing here?

>When's the last time the Lakers drafted a solid player?
>
>Its not easy with picks in the 20s.
>
The Lakers haven't had a pick in the 20s since George Bush was president, so not sure what they have to do with it.

Point is if you have three picks between 20-21, you should be able to find *someone* that can actually hold a roster spot until the middle of their rookie deal.

They've got two guys that won't be (Melo & JuJuan) and another guy injured who they drafted knowing he's got injury issues.

Why is this McDonough dude good for being a part of that is what I'm curious about.

  

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102. "Actually, the opposite is happening"
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>i think his age is just making 30-plus sports fans furious on
>some lena dunham shit.

No, you're white, 33, not very qualified, and suck at basketball,
and so you're defending the white, 33, not very qualified, sucks
at basketball hire while shitting on the charismatic, smart,
highly respected black former basketball star potential hire.

Why?

Because the former getting the job makes you feel better about yourself.

Weird: I'm more like the white guy than the black guy in this
situation and yet I'm magically able to call it like it is.

Try being fair, for a change.


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83. "ARCHIVE"
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No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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108. "This post title is gonna be confusing in the archives."
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110. "I want one of the photoshop warriors"
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to do alter an image of the 8-bit Contra game with one of the dudes shooting the spraw gun at a floating head of Mashburn cheesing.

  

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117. "http://oi43.tinypic.com/2v9xc7o.jpg"
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http://oi43.tinypic.com/2v9xc7o.jpg



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144. "Quick effort there"
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I was in tears at work when I saw this at first. Many thanks.

  

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154. "SMH"
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The anti-McDonagh shit here is WILD, man. I mean reducing him to a "go'fer/errand boy/coffee bitch" and saying he got the job because of family ties that, to my eye, have zero influence over the Celtics is funny to me. I kinda respect what CalmInvasion said as at least he was kind of speaking from a knowledgeable position.

McDonagh doesn't have to be a joke for Hill to be qualified. A better job will come along for Hill if he wants it. Maybe he can reverse the curse, we've seen what Danny Ferry and Dem Specs can do already.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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155. "Nice how you didn't focus on the senseless anti-Hill stuff. "
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>The anti-McDonagh shit here is WILD, man. I mean reducing him
>to a "go'fer/errand boy/coffee bitch" and saying he got the
>job because of family ties that, to my eye, have zero
>influence over the Celtics is funny to me.
>
>McDonagh doesn't have to be a joke for Hill to be qualified. A
>better job will come along for Hill if he wants it. Maybe he
>can reverse the curse, we've seen what Danny Ferry and Dem
>Specs can do already.

Pathetic

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157. "because it's just wrong, not outright absurd, imaginary and fabricated"
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and actually i think i addressed it pretty well by saying that hill is a qualified candidate who will ultimately land a better job than this one soooooo ...

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160. "My ONLY ISSUE here is the double standard. NOT Mcdonaghafdafdsf"
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Don't care about him, hope he does well

I got into this because of Giness making shit up about
why Grant Hill wasn't qualified and then COPPING PLEAS,
backtracking, changing his argument mid-sentence.

  

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156. "Danny Ferry a bad GM now? when that happen?"
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this is blatant homophobia.

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158. "lmao"
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162. "How was this not archived?"
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164. "Upping this again so it'll get archived."
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Or at least so it won't get pushed off the boards into Bolivian.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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166. "Upping this again in the hopes it'll get archived. n/m"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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167. "I just sent an inbox to a mod asking for archive. "
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Bumping it saves the post from getting deleted, but the mods won't see that it should be archived unless they get an inbox or it's mentioned in one of those archive request posts...

  

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