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"Byron Scott Fired, Luke Walton hired..."
Sat Apr-30-16 06:26 AM by CyrenYoung

  

          

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Actually surprising.
Apr 24th 2016
1
What's a "retread", exactly? Wasn't Byron a "Retread"?
Apr 25th 2016
13
      Yes he was.
Apr 25th 2016
16
           What are your thoughts on Luke?
Apr 25th 2016
29
                Aside from knowing LA...
Apr 25th 2016
84
Lulz
Apr 24th 2016
2
Expected
Apr 24th 2016
3
milly rockin thru the post
Apr 24th 2016
4
Ran to OKS like Willie Gault to post this & ask O.E. to get in here.
Apr 24th 2016
5
Lol what is there to explain exactly?
Apr 25th 2016
10
      He earned the right to coach a Kobe-less team with developed talent
Apr 25th 2016
20
           It's that simple.
Apr 25th 2016
21
           What did he "develop"?
Apr 25th 2016
26
                You're in the midst of developing another meltdown
Apr 25th 2016
30
                No, but i'm sure you're hoping to lead another dogpile
Apr 25th 2016
35
                     *record scratch*
Apr 25th 2016
50
                          False.
Apr 25th 2016
52
                               You're embarrassing yourself. Let go.
Apr 25th 2016
57
                                    Point me to one statement that I’ve made to support that claim.
Apr 25th 2016
61
                                         You in here blaming Byron for the bad Lakers D....LULZ
Apr 25th 2016
63
                                              Byron said he made sure they knew how bad they were defensively.
Apr 25th 2016
71
                                                   That didn't make a grain sense. Edit before the hour is up.
Apr 25th 2016
72
                                                        Smart. You know most people won’t read past the header.
Apr 25th 2016
74
                                                             It's incoherent. Byron had the rooks playing excellent in order to tank?
Nov 29th 2016
256
                And he developed a rookie pf that averaged a double double
Apr 25th 2016
34
                     You mean the guy he benched as he started to go on a tear?
Apr 25th 2016
39
                          No the guy he benched and improved because he was benched.
Apr 25th 2016
41
                               lol
Apr 25th 2016
42
                                    ^^^what not having a point sounds like
Apr 25th 2016
44
                                         Yeah, that was a pretty big L.
Apr 25th 2016
47
                                         In what way did benching him make him better?
Apr 25th 2016
51
                                              Damn, you backtracking and frustrated. Lulz
Apr 25th 2016
55
                                                   Frustrated? Backtracking?
Apr 25th 2016
60
                                                        Dog, you trying to blame Byron for defensive woes. Lulz
Apr 25th 2016
62
                                                             Byron told them how bad they were defensively.
Apr 25th 2016
73
           agreed.
Apr 25th 2016
85
inevitable
Apr 24th 2016
6
he did his job. he lost as many games as he could.
Apr 24th 2016
7
It was bound to happen but I thought it would be a year from now
Apr 24th 2016
8
I thought theybhad a team option this year
Apr 25th 2016
11
      you are correct, so this thread is a total non-story
Apr 25th 2016
92
well....
Apr 24th 2016
9
This was essentially a coin flip.
Apr 25th 2016
12
Truth. Now - Kevin Ollie, please! nm
Apr 25th 2016
18
Turns out they just didn't pick up his option.
Apr 25th 2016
14
Mitch is staying and Ryan West (assisant GM, son of Jerry) is next in li...
Apr 25th 2016
17
Doesn't matter. It's still wrong.
Apr 25th 2016
19
What does that have to do with the Lakers?
Apr 25th 2016
25
      Everything
Apr 25th 2016
33
           Such as?
Apr 25th 2016
38
                Byron should have the chance to coach, as Brett Brown does
Apr 25th 2016
48
                     What does Brett Brown have to do with this?
Apr 25th 2016
58
                          Why does the wind blow? Why does the sun shine?
Apr 25th 2016
59
                               It shouldn’t be hard to answer the question.
Apr 25th 2016
64
                                    Well, the sun shines because of the actual sun.
Apr 25th 2016
68
                                         That's what I thought.
Apr 25th 2016
75
What were the incentives?
Apr 25th 2016
22
      Byron having incentives on a tank year is the blackest shit ever.
Apr 25th 2016
23
           That's either bad agenting or his own desperation to coach in LA
Apr 25th 2016
24
                Fuck the lakers if they insisted? Why?
Apr 25th 2016
27
                     Blame black employees for accepting bad job terms.
Apr 25th 2016
31
                     Make myopic, contextually vapid statements implying racism
Apr 25th 2016
36
                     If the front office's strategy is to aim for a high lottery spot, yeah
Apr 25th 2016
45
                          Yeah, the tanking denial is so absurd
Apr 25th 2016
53
Byron Scott is a true Laker to the end of his tenure as coach..
Apr 25th 2016
15
You do realize it's better for them to decline his option now
Apr 25th 2016
28
Brett Brown's contract was extended.
Apr 25th 2016
32
      Interesting. Did the Lakers make that happen?
Apr 25th 2016
37
      No, they didn't. That's the point.
Apr 25th 2016
49
           The point is that the Lakers aren't running the 76ers front office?
Apr 25th 2016
54
                Well, Sauron actually runs all of these organizations.
Apr 25th 2016
56
                     LOL!
Apr 27th 2016
125
      So blame the Sixers for that. Don't blame LA for not following suit. nm
Apr 25th 2016
80
           Hello.
Apr 25th 2016
81
           Byron deserved a chance to coach.
Apr 25th 2016
82
                I get the pt about double standards. But that's the wrong paradigm.
Apr 25th 2016
89
thank you Mitch for waiting til Thibs was hired
Apr 25th 2016
40
The Lakers DID NOT go into this season *trying* to tank...in fact
Apr 25th 2016
43
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH @ PLAYOFFS
Apr 25th 2016
46
      Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expects Lakers to end playoff drought this season ht...
Apr 25th 2016
65
      BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAH
Apr 25th 2016
67
      what position does kareem hold with the lakers?
Apr 25th 2016
69
      He also endorsed Hillary based on her "pragmatism".
Apr 25th 2016
78
           damn, really? that sucks.
Apr 25th 2016
94
      I can pull up some more links from a lot ppl saying LA would make
Apr 25th 2016
66
           for every one you got, there's probably 50 more that say they wouldn't
Apr 25th 2016
70
           Most people had them as a bottom 3 team in the West
Apr 25th 2016
99
                Pretty Much
Apr 25th 2016
101
It's happening AGAIN
Apr 25th 2016
76
What are the expectations for next season?
Apr 25th 2016
77
Ettore Messina is a perfect fit for the Lakers.
Apr 25th 2016
79
the expectation is don't suck more than this year.
Apr 25th 2016
83
Well Sedale Threatt said Western Conference Finals or bust
Apr 25th 2016
86
That’s based on the 3 year window for Jim + Jeanie’s definition
Apr 25th 2016
87
I mean, that's a weird question.
Apr 25th 2016
90
Yep. It could be veteran stars or another year w/youth
Apr 25th 2016
98
It's all about that pick. If we get 1 or 2, it's a great job.
Apr 25th 2016
102
Not based on any evidence but I think we hire...
Apr 25th 2016
88
I love it.
Apr 25th 2016
91
man he not gonna leave SAS for anything less than the head seat.
Apr 25th 2016
93
Can a dude dream? Sheeeeeeeeeeeittttttttttt (C) Clay Davis
Apr 25th 2016
96
      I mean why Luke over Messina?
Apr 25th 2016
100
           Because of his Laker history and ability to grow with the team
Apr 26th 2016
106
                I think Luke's GS experience is being downplayed too much.
Apr 26th 2016
108
                     Fair but the grey area to me is this:
Apr 26th 2016
113
                          That’s why I like your tandem idea better than just Luke
Apr 26th 2016
114
They just got permission to talk to Messina
Apr 25th 2016
95
      It's obviously not for an assistant job
Apr 25th 2016
97
      So Luke's hair is the most important qualification?
Apr 26th 2016
103
      so what's the word on this Euro dude?
Apr 27th 2016
120
did we identify the specific incentives for byron yet?
Apr 26th 2016
104
How many of the 100+ responses in here
Apr 26th 2016
105
Lol right, almost like we need two posts
Apr 26th 2016
107
      Yeah, but this goes for just about any post. It isn't unique to the Lake...
Apr 26th 2016
109
      No doubt about that
Apr 26th 2016
111
      Shrug, I stayed on topic.
Apr 26th 2016
110
           Your responses are fair imo bc you respond w sincerity
Apr 26th 2016
112
Oh so the SMARTER BUSS didn't fire Byron!?!?? (LAAAAINK)
Apr 27th 2016
115
Jeannie stay throwing Jim and Mitch under the bus
Apr 27th 2016
116
And what makes Jeanie the smarter one?
Apr 27th 2016
117
o so you hating on Jeanie now!?!?!
Apr 27th 2016
118
      Not at all. I asked you a question tho.
Apr 27th 2016
119
      Anything or nah?
Apr 27th 2016
135
      Still asking...
May 02nd 2016
183
           I'm asking too...Jeanie not an owner?
May 03rd 2016
187
                I asked first, plus you know this answer.
May 03rd 2016
191
Fun fact: Jeanie has no authority in personnel decisions
Apr 27th 2016
121
      she still part OWNER
Apr 27th 2016
122
      I mean he ghosted after I asked the simple question.
Apr 27th 2016
124
      So she not part owner?!?
Apr 27th 2016
128
           That's a pretty bold accusation.
Apr 27th 2016
129
           Is she, or is she not part owner?
Apr 27th 2016
130
                It's cute you think I'm gonna play this game.
Apr 27th 2016
131
                     Cool, so is she a part owner, or naw?
Apr 27th 2016
133
           she's in charge
Apr 27th 2016
132
                Actually Dr. Buss gave him that authority, not her
Apr 27th 2016
134
                     i could be wrong, but my understanding is she's the boss
Apr 27th 2016
136
                          You're right, of course. They just mad at O_E
Apr 27th 2016
137
He should have been given one more year
Apr 27th 2016
123
i'm torn
Apr 27th 2016
126
      No one would have mitigated...
Apr 27th 2016
127
I kind of want a retread
Apr 28th 2016
138
Luke Walton is official
Apr 29th 2016
139
A bit surprised, but happy.
Apr 29th 2016
140
*prays for Ettore to come along with him*
Apr 29th 2016
141
Yeah.
Apr 29th 2016
142
Ettore is waiting for the Raptors head coaching vacancy
Apr 29th 2016
144
yay.
Apr 29th 2016
143
Vaya con dios, Luke. Knew this was going to happen since Oct.l
Apr 29th 2016
145
Gentry might get fired next season if the Pels wet the bed
Apr 29th 2016
146
Fantastic. Now we need Jeanie to keep her boyfriend far away
Apr 29th 2016
147
It'll be interesting, at least.
Apr 30th 2016
148
hope they give him a 6-year contract like Stevens
Apr 30th 2016
158
If I knew they were gonna hire Walton, I'd rather have kept Byron
Apr 30th 2016
149
you clearly do not know a thing about Luke Walton
Apr 30th 2016
150
How long he's been an assistant coach? Two years?
Apr 30th 2016
151
      Perfect alias for your post. Have fun eating these words in a few years
Apr 30th 2016
153
      nepotism like a mf
Apr 30th 2016
155
      All true
Apr 30th 2016
157
           actually, it's not
May 03rd 2016
188
What an insightful and factually accurate critique!!
Apr 30th 2016
152
u really giving Walton credit?
Apr 30th 2016
154
      I'm unsurprised at how mad Lakers haters are 😘
Apr 30th 2016
160
           Cute emoji ..but the Lakers hired someone undeserving & underqualified
Apr 30th 2016
163
                Cool story! Just tell us all how you plan on backtracking.
Apr 30th 2016
165
                     I'm not a lakers fan, so I'm not mad.
Apr 30th 2016
166
                          Must be awfully hard work to stay so disingenuous
May 02nd 2016
176
Kerr learned from Lute Olsen (among others, but primarily)
Apr 30th 2016
171
not surprised about hiring Walton...
Apr 30th 2016
156
Every coach is a hell of a gamble
Apr 30th 2016
162
      exactly, who was the clearly better option?
May 02nd 2016
175
           or they could've been patient with scott...
May 02nd 2016
181
hopefully he doesn't try to run the triangle
Apr 30th 2016
159
hopefully he doesn't try to run Phil's triangle
Apr 30th 2016
161
he specifically said he not running the triangle but the offense will mo...
May 02nd 2016
177
Watch us get that #1 pick now.
Apr 30th 2016
164
CURLY HAIR JEANNIE CARE!
Apr 30th 2016
167
Marcelo Huertas and Ryan Kelly betta HIDE their WIVES!
Apr 30th 2016
168
Apparently luke interview went so well they cancelled with messina
Apr 30th 2016
169
Well yeh, it went 6 hours...that's usually a good indication lol
Apr 30th 2016
173
Walton on if he'll run the triangle in LA:
Apr 30th 2016
170
Adapting the system to fit your players' strengths...
Apr 30th 2016
172
basically.
May 02nd 2016
178
more good news
Apr 30th 2016
174
Cool, so playoffs, right?
May 02nd 2016
179
You're mad.
May 02nd 2016
180
seems like a reasonable expectation. said no one, anywhere, ever.
May 02nd 2016
182
WAIT!!! SO KOBE IS GOOD NOW!?!?!?!? LMFAOOOOO!!!!
May 03rd 2016
184
      Man stop being a clown on purpose. "Playoffs???" Come on. nm
May 03rd 2016
185
you can't have a convo with someone who refuses to conversate.
May 03rd 2016
189
If they get Paul George or Durant, it's second round, at least.
May 05th 2016
199
Y'all got more subagendas than Marvel Secret Wars, b
May 03rd 2016
186
the agendas really bring down this board
May 03rd 2016
190
      lol...yeah. I always said that agendas would be the death of these boar...
May 03rd 2016
192
      Sit your ass down. EVERYONE has an agenda. EVERYONE.
May 03rd 2016
193
           Holy hell you're delusional.
May 03rd 2016
194
           I'm on the right side of history on this one.
May 03rd 2016
195
                I absolutely do.
May 03rd 2016
197
           LOL
May 03rd 2016
196
So Lakers hire Walton and THEN TRY to improve team?
May 05th 2016
198
Yup, we haven't pursued any FA's or trades the last 2 seasons
May 05th 2016
200
I don't think we even made calls.
May 05th 2016
202
Tell us more. This should be interesting.
May 05th 2016
201
they tried last offseason too. not sure what your point is
May 05th 2016
203
      Cool, so if they fail, they fire Walton next year, right?
May 05th 2016
204
What's everyone reading these days?
Nov 29th 2016
205
a book called "Black coach is forced to tank and play Kobe"
Nov 29th 2016
206
      You realize both things can be correct, right?
Nov 29th 2016
207
      There's only one "thing" that needs to be true (and it is, clearly)
Nov 29th 2016
208
           Byron was unfairly scapegoated. But Luke is better for this team.
Nov 29th 2016
212
                LMAO. The former is a fact. The latter is a silly opinion.
Nov 29th 2016
213
                     Saying Byron wld be doing a better job than Luke is rn is an opinion too...
Nov 29th 2016
220
                     Byron been to the NBA Finals, bro. With ONE all-star.
Nov 29th 2016
222
                          He went to the Finals when the average age of this team was 6
Nov 29th 2016
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                               Meds
Nov 29th 2016
232
                                    Tell us more about why you can't make strong basketball
Nov 29th 2016
236
                                         Lulz. You gave Byron ZERO credit for getting to the NBA Finals.
Nov 29th 2016
242
                                              False, Trash. But go on and cook with that false narrative
Nov 29th 2016
243
                                                   Ahh so who's name-calling and not talking basketball now?
Nov 29th 2016
247
                                                        But you gave Carlisle no credit for a RING with (an ancient) Kidd..hmmm....
Nov 29th 2016
251
                                                        Lol! Who talking about Carlisle? Idiot.
Nov 29th 2016
259
                                                             Your bitchass.
Nov 29th 2016
263
                                                        I gave what I got, Trash
Nov 29th 2016
252
                                                             Apology accepted. Love is love, just don't let it happen again.
Nov 29th 2016
260
                                                                  You're delusional, Trash
Nov 29th 2016
262
                                                                       I got your inbox. Apology accepted, it's all good.
Nov 30th 2016
272
                                                                            Please, post a screen shot of this "inbox"
Nov 30th 2016
273
                                                                                 I hope you live a long and fruitful life, man.
Nov 30th 2016
278
                                                                                 May horrible things happen to you for all your days.
Nov 30th 2016
292
                                                                                 It's an unfunny joke he's made before...everyone knows what he's doing
Nov 30th 2016
281
                                                                                 The inbox is between me and him, please stay out of it
Nov 30th 2016
285
                                                                                 Nope.
Nov 30th 2016
293
                     No, you're just wrong and mad as fuck.
Nov 29th 2016
226
                     Nah, we said that when Luke was hired and it's proving correct
Nov 29th 2016
228
                          Meds
Nov 29th 2016
231
                               don't do that man...keep this shit to basketball, at least
Nov 29th 2016
233
                               True.
Nov 29th 2016
234
                               To be fair he's just being himself.
Nov 29th 2016
238
                                    Oh, I have no problem with Luke Walton.
Nov 29th 2016
241
                                         So many gross over simplifications.
Nov 29th 2016
250
                               Tell us more about what a piece of shit you are
Nov 29th 2016
235
                                    Nah, real spit, I don't think message boards are good for you
Nov 29th 2016
240
                                         Look who's talking, Trash.
Nov 29th 2016
245
      Know what else isn't debatable?
Nov 29th 2016
209
      Uh. Steph, Klay and Draymond "liked" Mark Jackson more than Steve Kerr.
Nov 29th 2016
210
           Yes they did.
Nov 29th 2016
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           No, they didn't.
Nov 29th 2016
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           RE: Yes they did.
Nov 29th 2016
215
                Right, because they are now in actual, adult, professional shape.
Nov 29th 2016
219
                     They can't get in shape in other ways?
Nov 29th 2016
221
                          LMAO! What?
Nov 29th 2016
223
                               lol @ fat asses
Nov 29th 2016
224
                               You mean like you did after Lebron stole your soul?
Nov 29th 2016
229
                               Again, being disingenuous.
Nov 30th 2016
266
           they are also playing a lot better under walton
Nov 29th 2016
216
                No shit. They aren't tanking and giving Kobe a farewell.
Nov 29th 2016
218
                     LMAO, 15 fucking years ago in an anemic East. Bye felicia.
Nov 29th 2016
225
                          Bwahahahahaha. That's the last decent team he was able to coach, idiot.
Nov 29th 2016
230
                               Give a man the best team in a weak conference
Nov 29th 2016
237
                                    LMAO. So Scott gets *no* credit for that? Bwhahahahhaha
Nov 29th 2016
239
                                         I said neither, Trash. But again... this is your way.
Nov 29th 2016
244
                                              Damn, I sank your sad, mad battleship. Take that 'L'
Nov 29th 2016
248
                                                   No, Trash, I'm not.
Nov 29th 2016
254
                                                        Hope you get help. Your post below was pretty weird.
Nov 30th 2016
271
                                                             Your interpretation was weird, not my post.
Nov 30th 2016
275
                                                                  I wish you wellness and happiness.
Nov 30th 2016
279
                                                                       I genuinely wish you the worst
Nov 30th 2016
290
      pretty good
Nov 29th 2016
217
Thank god the Lakers got rid of Byron for an actually great coach
Nov 29th 2016
246
So it was Byron's fault they were advised to tank? Interesting.
Nov 29th 2016
249
Yes. Horrible coach
Nov 29th 2016
261
I remember when DLo was benched but said he didn't know why...
Nov 29th 2016
253
      D-Lo also improved mightily be season's end.
Nov 29th 2016
255
           Oh, here comes the race-baiting. Says a lot about you.
Nov 29th 2016
257
           Lol, the answer is pretty obvious
Nov 29th 2016
264
           It's derailing thread after thread. It's a shame.
Nov 29th 2016
265
                Nah, your double standards are derailing everything
Nov 30th 2016
268
                     No, you being a piece of shit AgendaBot is.
Nov 30th 2016
269
                          You want me to off myself? No, thank you. Weirdo.
Nov 30th 2016
270
                               More lies. Not at all what I said, Trash.
Nov 30th 2016
274
                                    "Take care of the problem.....you're the problem." Hmmm
Nov 30th 2016
277
                                         All jokes aside, you might want to get some help, man.
Nov 30th 2016
282
                                              Oh, I've been threatened by nerds on OKP several times, bro.
Nov 30th 2016
284
                                                   I definitely know what humor is, and what I hear from you is not humor.
Nov 30th 2016
289
           LOL. Sam Mitchell and Byron Scott are two different black men.
Nov 30th 2016
267
                Your groundless race-baiting is despicable. nm
Nov 30th 2016
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                     Post 286. Your double standards just got exposed, Sally
Nov 30th 2016
287
                          That's not true. And it's not funny.
Nov 30th 2016
291
           Actually... YES and YES .
Nov 29th 2016
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*ahem*... post #266
Nov 30th 2016
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Yes. IMO assessing ANYONE's firing involves assessing their replacement
Nov 30th 2016
283
      Byron was in the NBA Finals last time he was given a decent team
Nov 30th 2016
286
           You keep saying that, forgetting he coached the Hornets.
Nov 30th 2016
288
                Bwahaha. That makes my argument stronger, idiot
Dec 01st 2016
294
                     It really doesn't. But that's ok. Luke is better for this team. Cry.
Dec 01st 2016
296
What I find curious...
Dec 01st 2016
295
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Dec 01st 2016
297
reply 266 shuts down this entire thread...
Dec 01st 2016
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Ryan M
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1. "Actually surprising. "
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Now all I hope is not a retread.

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Cold Truth
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13. "What's a "retread", exactly? Wasn't Byron a "Retread"?"
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What's a retread bit a guy who has head coaching experience?

Obviously if we're talking JVG or George Karl or someone along those lines, yeah, we should avoid those guys.

At this point I'm hoping for two things?

-Luke

-PHIL AND HIS TREE TO STAY FAR AWAY.

  

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16. "Yes he was. "
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And I want Phil to stay away too.

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29. "What are your thoughts on Luke? "
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84. "Aside from knowing LA..."
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I don't see it yet. He's been an assistant coach for too little time and did a great job with a team that turned out to be the best regular season team ever - so I don't have an accurate depiction of him as a coach. Loved him as a player, especially as a rookie. He's composed, and he's a great locker room guy - and id like to roll the dice on someone young and new rather than JVG, Mark Jackson, Dunleavy, Monty, etc.

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2. "Lulz"
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Lulz

  

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3. "Expected"
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4. "milly rockin thru the post"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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5. "Ran to OKS like Willie Gault to post this & ask O.E. to get in here. "
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Now let's see how cats gonna explain this one?

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10. "Lol what is there to explain exactly?"
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I mean, aside from the usual race baiting agenda bullshit?

  

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20. "He earned the right to coach a Kobe-less team with developed talent"
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He didn't get that opportunity

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21. "It's that simple. "
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They went into the season to lose games, handle their superstars final season, an develop young talent.

He did all 3.

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26. "What did he "develop"?"
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30. "You're in the midst of developing another meltdown"
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Kinda like D'Angelo developed into a floor general

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35. "No, but i'm sure you're hoping to lead another dogpile"
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One where you take my reasonable and we'll articulated words and twist them around.

You know, like you always do.

  

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50. "*record scratch* "
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>One where you take my reasonable and we'll articulated words
>and twist them around.

Lol

Only thing you've ever articulated is why some people,
like you, shouldn't be on message boards, ever

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52. "False. "
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57. "You're embarrassing yourself. Let go. "
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You in here denying the Lakers tried to tank and
the whole 9

Gross

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61. "Point me to one statement that I’ve made to support that claim. "
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>You in here denying the Lakers tried to tank and
>the whole 9

  

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63. "You in here blaming Byron for the bad Lakers D....LULZ"
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Pathetic and disgusting

Team was openly tanking

Byron had the rookies playing excellent


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71. "Byron said he made sure they knew how bad they were defensively."
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If his job was to tank and he intentionally coached in a way to make sure they tanked, then he’s an awful coach for shitting on them in the process. If tanking was the assignment then there’s no need to remind them that were so awful defensively.

This also means there was no good reason for him to take so many jabs at them through the media, because they were essentially serving a different purpose.

That also assumes that this team, as constructed, under these circumstances, was capable of winning significantly more games if he was coaching his ass off… which, if true, makes this much worse. He could have done his job and tanked the team without throwing them under the bus in the process but he did.

Byron actually looks much worse with your defense.

  

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72. "That didn't make a grain sense. Edit before the hour is up. "
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I think you're starting to unravel now.

Edit that, delete it, I'll let it go


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74. "Smart. You know most people won’t read past the header."
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Not a bad job trying to portray this as a different sort of exchange.

Have you ever had an honest, genuine conversation on here?

You can’t possibly be THIS committed to your OK-character.

  

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256. "It's incoherent. Byron had the rooks playing excellent in order to tank?"
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34. "And he developed a rookie pf that averaged a double double"
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39. "You mean the guy he benched as he started to go on a tear?"
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41. "No the guy he benched and improved because he was benched. "
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42. "lol"
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44. "^^^what not having a point sounds like"
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47. "Yeah, that was a pretty big L. "
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Dude just gonna act like the young guys didn't
get much better

That's undeniable


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51. "In what way did benching him make him better? "
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Further, in what way did benching him make him better that could not have been accomplished without benching him?

You said he “developed” him into a double double player.

He did that before he got benched. In fact, he was in the midst of a stretch of five games where he was coming on very strong when he got benched.

He still got tunnel vision when he got the ball at the end of the season. He passed a little more. He was already a solid playmaker *when* he passed.

What was significantly better at the end of the season from what he was doing when he got benched?

Did his defense improve?

Doesn’t seem like it.

Further, doesn’t Byron shoulder a significant portion of the burden of the defensive deficiencies of everyone on this team? Wasn’t that part of his job? So while he’s letting everyone know how bad they are defensively in their exit interviews, how much responsibility do you think he gives himself for that?

Or was Byron just a really good teacher with really poor students?

  

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55. "Damn, you backtracking and frustrated. Lulz"
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D'Angelo improved...UNQUESTIONABLY

Randle improved...unquestionably

We only question the cause because the coach is
black

Nance was a 2nd round pick who developed and looks
like a true contributor moving forward

Guys got better.

Again: if it's a white coach, we're admitting that
and extending his contract.


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60. "Frustrated? Backtracking?"
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Nothing I’ve said indicates either is remotely true.

I mean, we both know tall tales are your stock in trade but I’m the one with the level and even-keeled disposition.

Conversely, you’re trying too hard to swag out and turn a discussion into a dumpster fire. This is evidenced by your badly misplaced “you’re in the process of a meltdown” comment early on.

  

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62. "Dog, you trying to blame Byron for defensive woes. Lulz"
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Team was openly tanking

The ROOKIES got better, and Kobe was treated well

That was the point of the season.

Those are UNDENIABLE. Lakers have 3 key pieces, all very
young, all much better than they were when they started.

>Conversely, you’re trying too hard to swag out and turn a
>discussion into a dumpster fire. This is evidenced by your
>badly misplaced “you’re in the process of a meltdown”
>comment early on.

Nah, you're already melting down.




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73. "Byron told them how bad they were defensively. "
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If tanking was the goal, there was no need to trash them for it- especially in public.

If he was actually trying to win and they were as awful as he was saying, he shoulders some of the blame for their defensive woes.

Either way, Byron didn’t do anything remarkable in the face of those circumstances.

Further, you conveniently ignored yet another very simple question:
In what ways did they improve that were specifically due to being benched?

Instead of offering a thoughtful response, you performed your OE “act”.

You’re not even a person. You’re a personality. I’ve been calm, cool, and collected for the duration of this discussion. You’ve been the usual caricature. There’s no “meltdown”, no matter how hard you’ve tried to steer it that direction.

  

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85. "agreed."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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6. "inevitable "
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kobe next coach

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be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

  

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7. "he did his job. he lost as many games as he could."
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Tank commander, you are relieved.

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8. "It was bound to happen but I thought it would be a year from now"
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What is the point of them paying two coaches at once next season? He was a company man brought in to fall on the sword and he did it with valor. I wonder if he wanted to come back, knowing him I would say yes but he's also been through some tough stuff with the death of his mother and the stress of coaching a horrible team with delusional fans (I kid, I kid, kind of).

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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11. "I thought theybhad a team option this year"
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92. "you are correct, so this thread is a total non-story"
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they cut they coach when the ball drop WHOA WHOA WHOA, YEAH YEAH YEAH

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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9. "well.... "
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we have to see what's going to happen with the front office...

is Jim staying in place..... Mitch?

is Phil coming?

that has to be determined (if it hasn't already) before a coach is hired...

also...them ping pong balls would determine if we're going to stay really young....or if the balls don't fall our way....Free agency is more important..... and even if we do get a top 3 pick...we could move the pick to try and get a player like Cousins...

lot of other things have to fall in place .....

but I think moving on from B now was the right move...

obviously we'd give Luke a look..... Marc Jackson would be someone else I'd like to see us check out...... oh..and Kevin Ollie and Monte Williams..

  

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12. "This was essentially a coin flip. "
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He deserved a shot without the Kobe circus and conflicting priorities.

He still mismanaged this team from start to finish, though to what degree is up for debate.

Frankly this depends on who they bring in to replace him.

  

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18. "Truth. Now - Kevin Ollie, please! nm"
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14. "Turns out they just didn't pick up his option. "
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Contract was only partially guaranteed - and he didn't meet the performance incentives for it to be fully guaranteed.

Well, bye.

Also - Mitch HAS to stay. He has to.

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17. "Mitch is staying and Ryan West (assisant GM, son of Jerry) is next in li..."
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To be GM.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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19. "Doesn't matter. It's still wrong. "
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Brett Brown still has a job.

  

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25. "What does that have to do with the Lakers?"
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>
>Brett Brown still has a job.
>

  

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33. "Everything"
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>>
>>Brett Brown still has a job.
>>
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38. "Such as?"
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48. "Byron should have the chance to coach, as Brett Brown does"
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And Sam Mitchell

Both should have the chance to coach their squads

Brett Brown was extended
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58. "What does Brett Brown have to do with this? "
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He coaches for another team.

The Lakers do not make the decisions for that team.

I mean, we all know you’re dancing around your usual race baiting nonsense. You may as well just go all in and say what you mean instead of this mealy mouthed routine you’re putting on.

  

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59. "Why does the wind blow? Why does the sun shine? "
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We doing Haiku or what?

Drop a verse, bro



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64. "It shouldn’t be hard to answer the question. "
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That is, if you were a reasonable human being who was trying to participate in a reasonable discussion.

Instead you’re trying ridiculously hard- and unsuccessfully- to manufacture an entirely different sort of interaction.

It would be easier to answer the question if your premise wasn’t so absurd and you weren’t trying so hard to generate a different kind of response.

  

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68. "Well, the sun shines because of the actual sun. "
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The wind has to do with several things.

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75. "That's what I thought. "
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22. "What were the incentives?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "Byron having incentives on a tank year is the blackest shit ever. "
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Only black coaches have winning incentives on a year
when the front office is openly trying to lose games.

This is so fucking offensive and disgusting.


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24. "That's either bad agenting or his own desperation to coach in LA"
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It's one hell of a bet on yourself that even with the front office tanking you think you can get a playoff push (or whatever the option activator was) just on your own skills, but it's an epically bad reading of the situation. I mean, fuck the Lakers if they insisted, but Byron also had the option to say no.

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27. "Fuck the lakers if they insisted? Why?"
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Fuck them for insisting on contract terms….. that he accepted?

Did they have his first born captive or something?
Was he unaware of the terms of the deal he signed?

Don’t get me wrong, this situation is all bad. He wound up mired in a lose-lose scenario but I don’t think he did anything remarkable in the face of those circumstances that make this the “disgusting” situation that our resident race baiter says it is.

  

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31. "Blame black employees for accepting bad job terms. "
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Sounds about right


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36. "Make myopic, contextually vapid statements implying racism"
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Sounds like OE.

  

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45. "If the front office's strategy is to aim for a high lottery spot, yeah"
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There were two ways to handle that specific coaching search: 1) be up front and say "look, we're not expecting much, but consider this season an audition for next year, when we expect to be reloaded and dangerous. If you can make sure these players see quality minutes and make solid progressions, we'll bring you back."

2) Do what the Lake Show did, which is take a candidate who was part of their most successful era, and insist that he only come on board if he takes performance actuators that the team has no hope of hitting, thus playing off of a) said coach's ties to the organization and b) his pride. This might have been Byron's last shot, and he couldn't be certain that the Lakers job was ever going to come around again.

Yes, he and/or his agent should have tried to parlay the situation into something more closely approaching 1 (maybe even had the performance incentives tie to the development of key rookies), but we aren't privy to what the negotiations were like. So yes, it was Byron's decision, but fuck the Lakers if they insisted on the performance option.

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53. "Yeah, the tanking denial is so absurd"
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Kobe was openly sitting out home games, attending road
games, just getting his applause and farewell on

Team had ZERO desire to win

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15. "Byron Scott is a true Laker to the end of his tenure as coach.."
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Let's run down his accomplishments this year:

Helped sell season tickets as Laker legend coaching GOAT's last year.

Developed the young players as much as possible on the GOAT farewell tour.

Hopefully helps the team keep its draft pick with doing his best coaching job of a depleted roster.

Possibly got Jim Buss out the paint after the season making some Lakers fans happy?

Deflected the ever loving shit out of the bullets that came in the form of criticisms towards the younger players minus Russell's snapchat dirty macking.

Finally, leaves the Lakers is a great position moving forward.

  

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28. "You do realize it's better for them to decline his option now"
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Than to fire him midseason next year, right?

  

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32. "Brett Brown's contract was extended. "
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And he had his franchise player fighting in the street

Byron deserved the chance to coach this team.

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37. "Interesting. Did the Lakers make that happen?"
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49. "No, they didn't. That's the point. "
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54. "The point is that the Lakers aren't running the 76ers front office?"
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56. "Well, Sauron actually runs all of these organizations. "
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Let me try to be 1/2 the imbecile you are

This can be fun

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125. "LOL!"
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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80. "So blame the Sixers for that. Don't blame LA for not following suit. nm"
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81. "Hello."
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82. "Byron deserved a chance to coach. "
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89. "I get the pt about double standards. But that's the wrong paradigm."
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To me the "so-and-so did a good enough job last year to deserve to coach the team next year" logic is really backward thinking. In fact the people you hear using that logic are the other members of the coaching fraternity, who always close ranks and protect their own, and don't have the best interests of any particular team at heart (apart from the one they happen to be coaching, if employed at that moment). But management's proper obligation is indeed to doing what's in the best interests of their team. Even if the coach did a great job last year, if there's a guy available and gettable whom management has reason to believe would do a better job next year, they should go out and get him.

For example, how long did Scott Brooks "deserve" to keep coaching OKC? The team went from expectedly awful in his first year (22 wins!) to 50 wins (playoffs), to 55 wins (WCF), and then to the Finals (beating a supposedly invincible Spurs team along the way). And Westbrook, Durant, and Harden sure developed under him, if we're using that metric! Yet IMO Brooks should've been fired immediately after those 2012 Finals for failing to bench Kendrick Perkins, because to me Brooks more or less threw that series by refusing to make a blindingly obvious adjustment. He clearly wasn't the coach to take them to the next level.

You should absolutely slam the Sixers and all these organizations who give white coaches more time even after they've demonstrated they don't have what it takes. And you can criticize LA for firing Byron, if you don't believe they can get a coach who'll do better going forward than Byron would have. But this "earned it" shit is just the wrong paradigm.

  

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40. "thank you Mitch for waiting til Thibs was hired"
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i did not need another media hype job for a pursuit we were obviously going to strike out on

  

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43. "The Lakers DID NOT go into this season *trying* to tank...in fact"
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they had expectations on making the playoffs...at least as a 7th or 8th seed which is perhaps why Scott's contract did contain win incentives

I saw Kareem give an interview before the start of the season and even he said the Lakers were going to surprise everyone on how much they had improved from last season and that they would be a playoff team

What happened was no one expected Kobe to be as bad as he was (not even Bean) and once it became apparent he was done pretty much a few gms into the season Scott *WILLINGLY* went along for the ride and gave Bean carte blanche to ignore the team's needs and made the entire season ALL abt Kobe


No, Byron Scott does not deserve to continue coaching this team because that was NEVER the intent in the 1st place - he was ALWAYS a stop gap - the way in which he *publicly* ridiculed the young players in the media is enough to give him the boot...I'm almost certain none of the returning (young) players want him back. He's always had a reputation for wearing his welcome out particularly w/star players (J Kidd/CP3)

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46. "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH @ PLAYOFFS"
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>they had expectations on making the playoffs...at least as a
>7th or 8th seed which is perhaps why Scott's contract did
>contain win incentives

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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65. "Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expects Lakers to end playoff drought this season ht..."
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expects Lakers to end playoff drought this season http://m.axs.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar-expects-lakers-to-end-playoff-drought-this-season-69212

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67. "BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAH"
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>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar expects Lakers to end playoff drought
>this season
>http://m.axs.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar-expects-lakers-to-end-playoff-drought-this-season-69212

So argument is a quote from one of the most demanding
and impressive human beings who ever walked the face
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69. "what position does kareem hold with the lakers?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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78. "He also endorsed Hillary based on her "pragmatism"."
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nah.

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94. "damn, really? that sucks."
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>nah.
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66. "I can pull up some more links from a lot ppl saying LA would make "
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the postseason


Once again you are making up stuff

They never went into this season w/the intention of tanking

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70. "for every one you got, there's probably 50 more that say they wouldn't "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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99. "Most people had them as a bottom 3 team in the West"
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If not the worst team in the West.

I'm sure they hoped that Kobe would be Kobe, Hibbert would wake up, Randle and Russell would be stars, but realistically, most people had them as a long shot of breaking out of the bottom 8 in the league, nevermind making the top 8 in the West.

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101. "Pretty Much"
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The best possible outcome that most sane Lakers fan had was let's see what we have with Randle and Russell...and let Kobe be healthy

Making the playoffs in the Western conference? Someone must've hit Snoop's blunt

  

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76. "It's happening AGAIN"
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77. "What are the expectations for next season? "
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I'm just wondering who wants to take the job with the team as constructed. Hire someone after the lottery? I'm curious what will happen if they don't secure a top 3 pick.

  

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79. "Ettore Messina is a perfect fit for the Lakers."
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He has the experience with an extensive championship pedigree. Think of a far, far, far, far, far, far, better David Blatt with much more experience and less ego.

Luke *could work as well. The emphasis on could refers to the fact that he coached an elite team to a 39-4 record in Kerr's abscence.

I vote for Ettore as a Lakers fan since GOAT's first preseason game as a Laker.

  

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83. "the expectation is don't suck more than this year."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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86. "Well Sedale Threatt said Western Conference Finals or bust"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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87. "That’s based on the 3 year window for Jim + Jeanie’s definition "
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This is the third year and Jeanie has said that WCF is her measure of success.

So that expectation is based on Jim not getting the ax, not any realistic expectation of what we can put together this offseason.

That said, no expectation cannot be set until the lottery. We land a top two pick and our offseason landscape changes dramatically.

  

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90. "I mean, that's a weird question."
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We don't know who the coach is.

We don't know the FA situation.

We don't know whether or not we're getting a pick.

Expectations are hard to set right now.

I suppose we'll start with not throwing players under the bus in the media?

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98. "Yep. It could be veteran stars or another year w/youth"
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I'd say the former is more likely than the latter but Kobe leaving opens up a shitload of cap space and they have young guys to deal as well.

I think the key is keeping the pick and moving it for a veteran who will help them lure other vets. If they can't find a deal, it could be tough to get guys to sign.

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102. "It's all about that pick. If we get 1 or 2, it's a great job. "
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88. "Not based on any evidence but I think we hire..."
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Luke with Ettore Messina as the assistant HC to run the offense, mirroring the W's hiring of Kerr with Gentry to run the offense.

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91. "I love it."
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93. "man he not gonna leave SAS for anything less than the head seat."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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96. "Can a dude dream? Sheeeeeeeeeeeittttttttttt (C) Clay Davis"
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Lol...hoping the title of assistant HC and a nice pay bump could entice him.

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100. "I mean why Luke over Messina?"
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Honest question. Luke hasn't even had 10% of Messinas experience.

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106. "Because of his Laker history and ability to grow with the team "
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I think they are looking for a HC who will grow with and develop with the players, like Brad Stevens in Boston. Luke's Laker history also makes him a firm fit in terms of the organization.

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108. "I think Luke's GS experience is being downplayed too much."
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He’s got a nice lil resume. Nothing off the charts until his HC stint this past year, but with UOM and the D-Fenders he’s got a recent track record dealing with young, developing players.

I think the GS experience is being downplayed in a big way. I think there are enough similarities in the construction of our key pieces going forward that he can apply some of that mojo to this team. I’m under no delusions that Randle and JC will turn into Draymond or Klay defensively but Steph is an interesting blueprint for Dlo to follow and adding another GS guy like Harrison Barnes in the offseason (not unlikely, though I’m not crazy about the likely cost of acquisition) could help us tremendously over the next few years.

I think your Luke/Messina combo idea is perfect for this team personally. Two guys from two organizations who represent the class of the modern pro basketball game would be the best we could realistically hope for. Both guys would presumably bring a culture and current credibility that nobody else on that list really has. To honest I’m not crazy about anyone on the list after Luke, Messina, and Ollie. I get a knot in my stomach every time I encounter Jeff Van Gundy’s name in relation to the Lakers.

Frankly I think Luke would be warmly welcomed by most LA fans.

  

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113. "Fair but the grey area to me is this:"
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We know what Luke has been exposed to in GS but the question becomes does exposure to something (in this case building a certain culture and team attitude, and in the W's case, much of that culture and effort change was already implemented by Marc Jackson which Kerr built on) correlate with actually being able to foster it yourself?

I personally believe Luke has the wherewithal and understanding of organization/psychosocial factors that go beyond just the game to implement that type of culture change. As you said with Messina, he further lends a hand in that organizational change and brings with him some serious tactical X's and O's ability to complement Luke's player management and development. That brain trust would be absolutely incredible imo

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114. "That’s why I like your tandem idea better than just Luke"
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Honestly, I think Luke’s Warriors experience is just the tip of the iceberg. The overall combination of his personality + his tenure as a Lakers player + his time at UOM and the D-Fenders in addition to his time with the Warriors works to his advantage for this particular gig.

I think those specific experiences give him a grasp on aspects of managing strong personalities that Messina may not. Plus so much of Luke’s coaching career has been spent with younger players as opposed to the veterans on The Spurs, who have had relatively few bumps in the road and have been the model of stability on all fronts for so long on a team filled with veteran leadership that I wonder how Messina would handle some of the quirkier aspects of this youthful group.

He’s definitely more of an unknown quantity than Messina but given the fact that, IMO, the best candidates for this gig are all relatively unproven on this level I think he stands out from the mix of himself, Ollie, and Messina for this job in this city with this group of youngsters. I’d love to be a fly on the wall of their interviews to get a better grasp on what they’d like to do with this roster, who they think they can recruit in FA, and what their 3 year goals are.

It’s awfully hard to see Luke or Messina coming here to take an assistants job to sit under the other guy, but there may be something enticing if they both got a significant pay raise to take their respective strengths and build the next chapter of Lakers legacy from scratch in tandem.

That said I’m good if it’s either of those two or Kevin Ollie. It would be infuriating to see them pass on Byron just to bring in a codger like JVG or recent cuckold like Blatt. If that’s the route they wind up taking then they should have just given Byron another shot.

  

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95. "They just got permission to talk to Messina"
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i doubt its for an Asst job

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97. "It's obviously not for an assistant job"
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But that doesn't preclude us from offering him the assistant HC position, raising his annual salary, and giving him control of the offense.

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103. "So Luke's hair is the most important qualification?"
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Having a powerful coif strolling the sidelines will propel y'all back to glory?

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120. "so what's the word on this Euro dude?"
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do we know his style/philosophy? what he's good at, what his weaknesses are, etc.

  

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104. "did we identify the specific incentives for byron yet?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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105. "How many of the 100+ responses in here"
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are from actual Lakers fans?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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107. "Lol right, almost like we need two posts "
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One for talk amongst Laker fans and those interested in actually talking basketbal; the other for everything else. Immediately when I saw the post count, I knew what it had turned into.

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109. "Yeah, but this goes for just about any post. It isn't unique to the Lake..."
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The actual fans of the team tend to have a nuanced view of things, as they've been following ins and outs rather watching Sportscenter and caping for agendas.

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111. "No doubt about that "
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I actually thought that was pretty obvious...wasn't trying to make it anything unique to only Laker fans

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110. "Shrug, I stayed on topic. "
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And discussed specific reasons why I'm ambivalent about this. Dude tried his best to paint it as something else but nobody reads past the header.

  

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112. "Your responses are fair imo bc you respond w sincerity"
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and you're able to have different takes depending on the context. OE does not, it's all a one note character (which is actually sad to me because when he used to actually contribute thoughtfully, or on the rare occasion that he does so now, it enriches the board....similar to how SPM was way back when until it all just became transparent agenda stuff).

Like I said in a previous post, I'm glad someone has the energy to go back and forth with that nonsense lol.

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115. "Oh so the SMARTER BUSS didn't fire Byron!?!?? (LAAAAINK)"
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So the one who actually knows wtf they are doing had nothing
to do with it!?!?!


OOOOOOHHHHHHH

http://lakers.247sports.com/Bolt/Jeanie-Buss-had-no-idea-that-the-Lakers-were-firing-Byron-Scott-45022201

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116. "Jeannie stay throwing Jim and Mitch under the bus"
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in no way is she lying, but does she not see that she is making her job harder by telling just how dysfunctional they are these days?

i don't necessarily fault her because they are making some *ahem* unwise moves, but other than the "we'll see who is left standing" crash and burn willingness, but still....

it's like watching an 80s prime time soap opera

  

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117. "And what makes Jeanie the smarter one?"
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You have zero evidence of that, so I'll wait.

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118. "o so you hating on Jeanie now!?!?! "
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All cuz of O_E?!?!


Bwahahahahahhahahhahaa


I RUN this motherfucka

  

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119. "Not at all. I asked you a question tho. "
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Will you answer or nah

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135. "Anything or nah?"
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183. "Still asking..."
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187. "I'm asking too...Jeanie not an owner? "
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Answer it


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191. "I asked first, plus you know this answer. "
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For mine you actually need to prove something and you're dodging as per usual so...

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LA2Philly
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121. "Fun fact: Jeanie has no authority in personnel decisions "
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This decision is no different.

You're unraveling man, take a break from this agenda stuff.

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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Selah
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122. "she still part OWNER"
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i know the while division of labor, but still it *would* have been nice for someone to have told her before her friends and reporters did

(note: she still salty they how they handles that last "almost" go-round with PJ. you can hear it everytime she talks about it)

  

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Ryan M
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124. "I mean he ghosted after I asked the simple question. "
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Jim, for his coaching hire faults, has made more good moves than bad.

Jeannie has never made a basketball decision. Why is this dude parroting some bullshit Lakersground or r/lakers thoughts that Jeannie would be the best choice to run the team when she's never done it? I think Jeannie is great, and great at her job, but I've got no reason to believe she's the best person to do the job because she's never done the job.

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128. "So she not part owner?!? "
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And her being locked out of decisions because of
sexism is cool with you?

Aight

  

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Ryan M
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129. "That's a pretty bold accusation."
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Any evidence of Jeannie Buss being locked out due to sexism, or her being a great GM-type? That'd be dope if you had it.

Answer the question, dogg...otherwise you just look like you're dodging.

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130. "Is she, or is she not part owner? "
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>Any evidence of Jeannie Buss being locked out due to sexism,
>or her being a great GM-type? That'd be dope if you had it.
>
>Answer the question, dogg...otherwise you just look like
>you're dodging.


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131. "It's cute you think I'm gonna play this game. "
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Go back to Lakersground with your baseless lies.

Jeannine's never made a basketball decision in her life. She might be amazing at it. She might suck at it. But you aren't answering questions that make you look dumb so I'm done with you. Bye.

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133. "Cool, so is she a part owner, or naw? "
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132. "she's in charge"
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she just gave her brother complete control over basketball decisions, probably out of pity. i think she even gave him a 3-year timeline before she forces him to step down.

  

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134. "Actually Dr. Buss gave him that authority, not her"
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She's in charge of business operations

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136. "i could be wrong, but my understanding is she's the boss"
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and can put someone else in charge of basketball ops if she wanted to

  

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137. "You're right, of course. They just mad at O_E"
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>and can put someone else in charge of basketball ops if she
>wanted to

  

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123. "He should have been given one more year"
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see what he could have done without the albatross that was Kobe.

"Dressed up like an evil villain dressed up like a soccer dad"

  

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126. "i'm torn"
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he came in when damn near nobody wanted the job (mainly on some laker-loyalty)

i didn't think he was a good fit because he never seemed like someone who wanted to deal with young players, and it was evident that these cats resented the preferential treatment Kobe got (fairly or not) and he didn't do jack to mitigate it

yet still....

that is a LOT of Ls to keep taking

i really feel he never had a fair shot and ended being a sacrificial lamb, to what end it remains to be seen

on pretty much every level the Lakers are a tire fire

  

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127. "No one would have mitigated..."
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well, except maybe Phil, so I can't put that on Byron. I would have liked to see what he could have done with a Kobe-less roster. Hard to properly assess someone during a legend's farewell tour.

"Dressed up like an evil villain dressed up like a soccer dad"

  

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138. "I kind of want a retread"
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One, because this organization is a mess and a veteran coach would be able to manage the front office and a young team more effectively than a younger coach.

And two, Luke isn't ready, at least not yet. His run with the Warriors is very impressive, but hiring him would be the equivalent of the Seahawks signing Matt Flynn based on one good game with a different set of circumstances from most games.

I don't think that he didn't coach the team, but he probably had a lot of input and those games weren't close. That fact is important because he didn't have to make key in-game adjustments that he would have to make regularly with this team.

He also hasn't had to build a team from the ground up like he would have to in LA. As far as I know he wasn't a holdover from Jackson's staff and he likely mossed out on watching the team develop over time.

The coaches that might make the most sense would be Blatt and Monty Williams. Blast hasn't built a team, but he was chosen by the Cavs to develop that team sans LeBron and Love and while he wasn't a good fit with a superstar, he would be able to give a team a solid offensive offense approach. He might also be able to deal better with the press since he's from Europe and LA is a more cosmopolitan city than Cleveland.

Monty has overachieved every year and seemed to do well developing AD. He's not an LA vet and doesn't have the experience coaching in such a high pressure place, but he seems to be well liked and respected and also is young enough to relate to his players and be experienced and decent enough of a person to earn their respect.

Mark Jackson and van Gundy would be interesting as well. I think Jackson got a bad rep because he poorly managed his situation with the front office in Oakland. Maybe he's leaned to tone down his persona and work better with his management team.

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139. "Luke Walton is official"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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140. "A bit surprised, but happy."
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141. "*prays for Ettore to come along with him*"
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142. "Yeah."
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I like Luke, but he worked with the greatest regular season team of all time. We REALLY don't know what he can do, and to be honest - the coaching hires from this franchise have been shit outside of Phil. Fingers crossed.

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144. "Ettore is waiting for the Raptors head coaching vacancy"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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143. "yay."
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145. "Vaya con dios, Luke. Knew this was going to happen since Oct.l"
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Hate to see him leave, but this move makes sense for him. Better here than Houston (can't believe I now dislike the Rockets more than the Lakers).

Guess I'm going to have to get used to watching second in commands go all the time now. Jarron Collins next up.

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146. "Gentry might get fired next season if the Pels wet the bed"
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>Guess I'm going to have to get used to watching second in
>commands go all the time now. Jarron Collins next up.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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147. "Fantastic. Now we need Jeanie to keep her boyfriend far away "
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And land the #1 overall and we're in business.

  

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148. "It'll be interesting, at least."
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Tough to judge the coaching job he did and how it'll translate to the Lakers. A veteran team that had been together vs. a potentially young team or a team that is just getting together (if the Lakers trade the kids for vets.)

The assistant coach hires as going to be VERY important. Interesting to see where they go.

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158. "hope they give him a 6-year contract like Stevens"
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149. "If I knew they were gonna hire Walton, I'd rather have kept Byron"
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this is awful.

just because he knows what kind of donuts and coffee Kerr likes with his morning paper, doesnt make him fit to coach one of the most storied franchises in the NBA.

what a joke.

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150. "you clearly do not know a thing about Luke Walton"
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at least do your research before you just throw wild statements around.

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151. "How long he's been an assistant coach? Two years?"
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I mean he's a son of a HOFer, but he ain't paid his coaching dues.
Them white former players sure know how to land in the sweet spot tho.
Meanwhile Sam Cassell, ten times the player Luke was, been an assistant for seven years, lookin' like "when is my time gonna come?".

  

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153. "Perfect alias for your post. Have fun eating these words in a few years"
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You should just state your plea cops and move your goal posts now

  

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155. "nepotism like a mf"
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>I mean he's a son of a HOFer, but he ain't paid his coaching
>dues.
>Them white former players sure know how to land in the sweet
>spot tho.
>Meanwhile Sam Cassell, ten times the player Luke was, been an
>assistant for seven years, lookin' like "when is my time gonna
>come?".

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157. "All true"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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188. "actually, it's not"
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152. "What an insightful and factually accurate critique!!"
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Please, enlighten us further.

  

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154. "u really giving Walton credit?"
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lol, theyre a well oiled machine.

this dude got this job only because of steve kerr's back.


w/e. i guess they're trying to tank the 2016-17 season too. have fun w that

edit...im really surprised at how the oks laker contingent is so satisfied with this hire

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160. "I'm unsurprised at how mad Lakers haters are 😘"
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You're a Buckeye fan, not a Lakers fan so please don't pretend otherwise.

We'll check back in two years when we're doing well and you guys are giving Luke zero credit.

  

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163. "Cute emoji ..but the Lakers hired someone undeserving & underqualified"
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>You're a Buckeye fan, not a Lakers fan so please don't
>pretend otherwise

& your best player is a Buckeye. Hence my rooting interests. Do I need to draw you a venn diagram.

you're a blind Laker homer infatuated with a famous last name which is why I can look at this objectively and you cannot


>We'll check back in two years when we're doing well and you
>guys are giving Luke zero credit

Lakers not making the playoffs for the next two years so I'm not sure what your idea of "doing well" is but have fun with that

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165. "Cool story! Just tell us all how you plan on backtracking. "
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>your best player is a Buckeye. Hence my rooting interests.
>Do I need to draw you a venn diagram.

Seems I'm the one who needs to draw a diagram for you since you clearly didn't understand that this is why I noted that you're a Buckeye fan to begin with.

Anyhow Luke is right man for this job and we currently have an excellent set of circumstances and you're mad about it.

Have fun overstating every downside and ignoring every upside. We'll continue view this hire with perspective and nuance. We're well aware that a young and unproven head coach comes a with some potential drawbacks, that it's a gamble, and that there are other chips that need to call right (i.e, Luke's staff will be critical, the threat of Feel returning) but since you guys are quite CLEARLY uninterested in any actual nuanced perspective in this situation for your collective agenda clown show, I'm just gonna sit back and laugh while we rebuild.

  

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166. "I'm not a lakers fan, so I'm not mad."
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slightly annoyed, at most.

if the Pistons had hired this curly haired clown face bum, I'd be really annoyed. Sports dont really make me mad anymore. I'll be 32 soon. Too old for that nonsense.

>>your best player is a Buckeye. Hence my rooting interests.
>>Do I need to draw you a venn diagram.
>
>Seems I'm the one who needs to draw a diagram for you since
>you clearly didn't understand that this is why I noted that
>you're a Buckeye fan to begin with.

brilliant observation #1..so you can see why I'd want a coach who has experience grooming young point guards. Lol, I'm not buying one ounce of bullshit if anyone tries telling me he was integral to Curry's development.

>Anyhow Luke is right man for this job and we currently have an
>excellent set of circumstances and you're mad about it.

what circumstances? as of now in the year of your lord April 30th, 2016

1. you dont have a number 1 pick (edit, in already weak draft class)

2. no real interest from any free agents (i doubt any of hte big fish this offseason will want to play for some n00b, if you land one, ill take the L)

it was this kind of presumed Laker arrogance that made lamarcus aldridge say yeaaaa no thanks btw

3. a coach with no proven track record as a head coach of a young developing team.

>We'll continue view this hire with perspective and nuance.
>We're well aware that a young and unproven head coach comes a
>with some potential drawbacks, that it's a gamble, and that
>there are other chips that need to call right (i.e, Luke's
>staff will be critical, the threat of Feel returning)

oh yea, I forgot about the vast experience he has putting together good coaching staff. my bad.



but
>since you guys are quite CLEARLY uninterested in any actual
>nuanced perspective in this situation for your collective
>agenda clown show, I'm just gonna sit back and laugh while we
>rebuild.


your optimism is endearing. and you still havent quantified what "doing well in two years" is.

playoffs? highly doubtful as of now.

more "asset stockpiling"?

we all know how well that works out.

good luck with this incestous Lannister ass hire.

nothing more than that 'TISM

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176. "Must be awfully hard work to stay so disingenuous"
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Your dedicated, I'll give you that.

>brilliant observation #1..so you can see why I'd want a coach
>who has experience grooming young point guards. Lol, I'm not
>buying one ounce of bullshit if anyone tries telling me he was
>integral to Curry's development.
>
>>Anyhow Luke is right man for this job and we currently have
>an
>>excellent set of circumstances and you're mad about it.
>
>what circumstances? as of now in the year of your lord April
>30th, 2016

You don’t know the Lakers current set of circumstances?

Let’s start with four very good young players with generally unknown ceilings with a high enough floor that there’s genuine reason for excitement for them going forward.

Then add, what, sixty mil in cap room?

Then add the potential for a top three pick.

It’s funny that all the Lakers haters/non-fans see is our record, the kobe retirement circus, and the name Jim Buss

>1. you dont have a number 1 pick (edit, in already weak draft
>class)

*yet*


We may or may not get that pick, but again, we’re in as good a position as anyone to get one of the two picks that matter. Also, if it’s such a weak draft, it makes little difference if we don’t land that top three pick if whatever was left was weak anyways. So that’s a wash.


>2. no real interest from any free agents (i doubt any of hte
>big fish this offseason will want to play for some n00b, if
>you land one, ill take the L)

Maybe. Maybe not. It’s a tough sell, but, you assume all Lakers fans prefer a big fish FA scenario or that this is the best scenario for the team. If we get Durant? Sure. That changes things. Getting that top two pick also changes everything.

-get the pick, draft Ingram or Simmons and let them develop with the rest. If we strike out on all the big names, so be it. Throw bigger money at quality veterans for short term deals to help this team develop.

OR

Trade the pick. Say, Chicago for Jimmy Butler. I’m guessing Simmons and Ingram will both draw interest from various teams. If we land a cat like JB on draft night free agency looks a lot different.

Oh, I know, there’s no guarantee we get the pick and even if we did there’s not guarantee he’d pan out and even if we wanted to trade the pick there’s no guarantee anyone offers anything good and if….

Yeah. I know. We all know. We all understand this. We all get it.
We’re in a better position than a rebuilding team could reasonably hope for at this stage.

>it was this kind of presumed Laker arrogance that made
>lamarcus aldridge say yeaaaa no thanks btw

What presumptions on my part? What arrogance on my part? What you talking about?

You’re conflating “good positioning going forward” with “everything is guaranteed to work out exactly the way we need it to”.

If NOTHING ELSE GOES RIGHT, we still have Randle. We still have Russell. We still have Nance. Those are some nice pieces to start the rebuilding process.

>3. a coach with no proven track record as a head coach of a
>young developing team.

Yeah. No shit. We know. None of the older coaches are very attractive. PLEASE tell me who all these established veterans that were can’t miss prospects and didn’t bring in some baggage with them.

We got a young guy on his way up from a winning program with ties to this team and community who can grow with the players on this team.

PLEASE, show me everyone acting like Luke isn’t going to make mistakes.
PLEASE, show me everyone acting like Luke has some sparkling track record as a head coach.
PLEASE, show me the sparkling track record of all the experienced head coaches we hired these last several years.

Fun fact: the only way to get real head coaching experience is to….. Become a real head coach.
Another fun fact: EVERY HEAD COACH WAS ONCE A FIRST TIME HEAD COACH.

>oh yea, I forgot about the vast experience he has putting
>together good coaching staff. my bad.


…because that’s what was said.

lol

I mean, you’re disingenuous at every turn. Every single statement you’ve made is intellectually dishonest and hinges on assumptions that AREN’T BEING MADE BY LAKERS FANS IN THIS POST.


>your optimism is endearing.

Your pessimism is completely dishonest and contextually ignorant.
My “optimism” is rooted in a lot of positive factors currently in play.

Again, you’re conflating hopeful optimism with presumptive arrogance and the two couldn’t be further apart. Your perception of my position is hilariously inaccurate because you insist on a dishonest interpretation at every turn.

>and you still havent quantified
>what "doing well in two years" is.

>playoffs? highly doubtful as of now.
>
>more "asset stockpiling"?
>
>we all know how well that works out.
>
>good luck with this incestous Lannister ass hire.
>
>nothing more than that 'TISM

No, you’re right. We have NO good young players, NO chance at a very good draft pick, NO cap room and if we DID have ANY of that, ALL of it would amount to NOTHING anyways and we’re doomed to the dark ages for all eternity.

That about sums up your take here.

Oh, and I’m calling it now: We’ll make the playoffs in two years.
Now, tell me all the excuses you’ll make when the time comes 

  

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171. "Kerr learned from Lute Olsen (among others, but primarily)"
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Luke, just like Kerr, went to Arizona and learned from Lute as well, which is partly why he was ALWAYS a really intelligent player, even if he wasn't the most talented. i knew it even as a Laker fan who hated Luke as a player. i knew he was more cerebral than 95% of the guys he was playing with. Luke isn't some dude who just knows the right people and is well liked enough. Bill isn't getting him these opportunities. Luke gets these opportunities because he can coach, and he's proven his intelligence for over a decade now. there were stories about how cerebral he was during practices and while running plays. Sam Cassell was a FAR better player, but that doesn't mean he is automatically a better coach. Learning from a guy like Lute Olsen, plus being naturally bright, and having Bill for a father, gave Luke an advantage. He's learned from Lute, Phil, Kerr (who also learned from Phil), and many others. a lot of players don't get the opportunity to learn from so many great minds. very few players get the opportunity to win as much as Luke has. but all of that combined, plus much more, has made him into a very good coach.

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156. "not surprised about hiring Walton..."
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..I don't agree, but I get it.

he's young, the family ties, his impressive (albeit short) stint as the assistant coach of the defending world champion warriors. I get it.

the lakers are looking to shake things up a bit. Byron Scott is a solid coach with an impressive résumé, but his deliberate/patient approach to the game isn't really appreciated in today's NBA.

while Walton is certainly a student of the game, this is one helluva gamble. only time will tell.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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162. "Every coach is a hell of a gamble"
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It's either old school guys who are out of touch with this generation or tend to want to much power or young upstarts like Luke or older assistants like Messina. A guy like Blatt likely has a stank on him after Bron cuckholded him.

IMO the three best guys for *this* team were unproven as an NBA head coach.

Luke's more than the guy who picks up Steve's dry cleaning and everyone saying that's case probably didn't follow that situation all that close.

  

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175. "exactly, who was the clearly better option?"
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they could have coaxed someone out of retirement like sloan or adelman or, less ancient, van gundy but no sure things there. this was about as clean of a hire as they could have made

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181. "or they could've been patient with scott..."
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..i know that quite a few people were in a hurry to see the lakers back on top, but the road to the top isn't easy.

the org has been in complete disarray since phil jackson left and its no secret that their decision making in that regard has been questionable, to say the least.

like i said before, i understand the move from scott to walton. i think it was premature, but given the circumstances, i understand their haste.


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159. "hopefully he doesn't try to run the triangle"
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161. " hopefully he doesn't try to run Phil's triangle"
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Fixed it.

They run pieces of the triangle in GS.

I'm concerned with the possibility of Jeannie Buss hiring Feel and what that may portend, not Luke installing elements of the triangle.

  

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177. "he specifically said he not running the triangle but the offense will mo..."
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likely resemble the warriors.

Didn't he help craft it?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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164. "Watch us get that #1 pick now. "
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167. "CURLY HAIR JEANNIE CARE! "
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168. "Marcelo Huertas and Ryan Kelly betta HIDE their WIVES!"
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Luke rolling in town like "PIMP-PIMP-HURRAY!!!"

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169. "Apparently luke interview went so well they cancelled with messina"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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173. "Well yeh, it went 6 hours...that's usually a good indication lol "
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By all accounts, it was Mitch, Jim, and Luke talking all things Laker basketball...where we are now, the roster, and the vision for where we want to go and how to get there.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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170. "Walton on if he'll run the triangle in LA:"
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"I don't think the triangle's the most appropriate style of offense for the players they have in place"

https://twitter.com/SherwoodStrauss/status/726498213797064704

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172. "Adapting the system to fit your players' strengths..."
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Seems like such a simple concept yet so many instances where a coach/staff tries to force a concept.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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178. "basically. "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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174. "more good news"
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179. "Cool, so playoffs, right? "
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I'm just asking

  

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180. "You're mad. "
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Why?

  

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182. "seems like a reasonable expectation. said no one, anywhere, ever."
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lol we don't even know if they get to keep their draft pick or not. they were godawful this year and lost a guy who, busted as he became, was still one of their better players.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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184. "WAIT!!! SO KOBE IS GOOD NOW!?!?!?!? LMFAOOOOO!!!!"
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>lol we don't even know if they get to keep their draft pick
>or not. they were godawful this year and lost a guy who,
>busted as he became, was still one of their better players.

Y'ALL SEE THIS RACIST SHIT!?!?!?!??!?

SO BYRON WAS CRITICIZED FOR PLAYING KOBE

Now we PLEA COPPING for LUKE ALREADY by saying "Well, they
don't have Kobe"

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185. "Man stop being a clown on purpose. "Playoffs???" Come on. nm"
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189. "you can't have a convo with someone who refuses to conversate."
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199. "If they get Paul George or Durant, it's second round, at least. "
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If they get both, this team should contend

Those are the rules

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186. "Y'all got more subagendas than Marvel Secret Wars, b"
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As an OkaySports outsider...I be looking at y'all go at it like "WHERE THE HELL DID THIS SHIT COME FROM!!!"

I guess I shoulda picked up Captain OkayAmerica Issue 75 or some shit.

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190. "the agendas really bring down this board"
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esp since there's no real honesty within them.

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192. "lol...yeah. I always said that agendas would be the death of these boar..."
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for me. Sometimes they're funny...most times they go beyond reason.

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193. "Sit your ass down. EVERYONE has an agenda. EVERYONE. "
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>esp since there's no real honesty within them.

When Laker fans was nitpicking EVERY SINGLE Mike Brown
substitution, that WAS an AGENDA.

When they weren't NEARLY as critical of D'Antoni, that
WAS AN AGENDA

When we copping pleas for Walton because "He doesn't
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194. "Holy hell you're delusional."
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>When they weren't NEARLY as critical of D'Antoni, that
>WAS AN AGENDA

LMAO you're aware archives exist, right?

>
>When we copping pleas for Walton because "He doesn't
>have his best player, Kobe," that IS AN AGENDA

You're aware we can literally read what CC wrote, right? Like...it's right there.

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195. "I'm on the right side of history on this one. "
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EVERYONE has agendas, bro.

All y'all.

This high and mighty shit y'all pull is pathetic
and you should be ashamed of yourselves

Just because you ain't got the chops to defend your
positions don't mean you don't have an agenda.

You have one.

You just can't defend it.


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197. "I absolutely do."
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Still doesn't change the fact you just lied, twice...you dummy.

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196. "LOL"
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You don't seem to know how quotations or the archives work

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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198. "So Lakers hire Walton and THEN TRY to improve team? "
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So now it's Paul George or Durant and all that?

How come Scott didn't get a chance to coach that talent?

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200. "Yup, we haven't pursued any FA's or trades the last 2 seasons "
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You're showing some real signs of multiple personality disorder...this personality being the really lame one.

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202. "I don't think we even made calls. "
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I'm pretty sure the Aldridge and Melo meetings were faked like the moon landing.

  

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201. "Tell us more. This should be interesting. "
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Do the math and show your work.

None of these assertions.
Cite some actual facts.

I take it the meetings with guys like Melo and LA were all part of the vast conspiracy by the snarling white devils in order to screw the darkie.

Please, walk us through all that.

  

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203. "they tried last offseason too. not sure what your point is"
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ohh, that's right, your agenda.

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204. "Cool, so if they fail, they fire Walton next year, right? "
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I mean, Walton isn't going to have to coddle rookies
like Byron did, so the team will be muuuuch better,
but if they don't sign a super star, and are still a
mediocre team (as in, not much better than they should
be given the development of young guys), Walton gets
fired, right?

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205. "What's everyone reading these days?"
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206. "a book called "Black coach is forced to tank and play Kobe""
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"...succeeds, and gets fired."

So Luke is winning in a season where the front office openly tanking,
caring more about playing Kobe on a farewell tour than winning?

Also, young guys better because Byron developed them. We already
saw them improve last year. That isn't debatable.

  

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207. "You realize both things can be correct, right?"
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208. "There's only one "thing" that needs to be true (and it is, clearly)"
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Luke Walton seems like a great guy, but I'm not interested
in him.

I'm saying Byron, like most black people, wasn't given
a fair chance. He was asked to actively lose games
and give Kobe a farewell tour. ALL the young players
improved by season's end, and yet he didn't get a chance
to coach any of them in a non-tanking, non-Kobe year.

Related thing happened to Sam Mitchell in Minnesota.
Can anyone *really* argue that he'd be doing worse than
Thibs would be doing with that roster? And Lulz...Thibs
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212. "Byron was unfairly scapegoated. But Luke is better for this team."
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And to be honest fairness doesn't matter in these decisions. Management should do what's best for the TEAM, looking forward, not what's most "fair" to the coach based on his past performance. Nobody "deserves" anything. If one coach does a great job (not how I'd describe the job Byron did btw), but management has the opportunity to replace him with someone who'll do a better job going forward than the old coach would do, management SHOULD make a change.

  

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213. "LMAO. The former is a fact. The latter is a silly opinion. "
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We don't know if Luke was "better for this team" because
Byron never had an opportunity.

The only Luke we saw was the one who coached the most
talented team in league history in Golden State, then
the defending champions.

>And to be honest fairness doesn't matter in these decisions.
>Management should do what's best for the TEAM, looking
>forward, not what's most "fair" to the coach based on his past
>performance. Nobody "deserves" anything. If one coach does a
>great job (not how I'd describe the job Byron did btw), but
>management has the opportunity to replace him with someone
>who'll do a better job going forward than the old coach would
>do, management SHOULD make a change.


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220. "Saying Byron wld be doing a better job than Luke is rn is an opinion too..."
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So it's all about how we back up our opinions with arguments. Not insults.

  

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222. "Byron been to the NBA Finals, bro. With ONE all-star. "
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>So it's all about how we back up our opinions with arguments.
>Not insults.

ONE.

So he's already demonstrated his ability to win.

What has he lacked?

Teams that have any talent, at all. He doesn't get
hired into good situations.


THAT is the issue here.

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227. "He went to the Finals when the average age of this team was 6"
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in a weak ass East and promptly got steamrolled both times.

Yeah.

It's telling that this is your strongest argument for why Byron was a better choice for THIS team in 2016 with the way the game is played TODAY.

Not exactly a strong foundation.

  

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232. "Meds "
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Meds

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236. "Tell us more about why you can't make strong basketball"
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arguments for Byron and against Luke.

  

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242. "Lulz. You gave Byron ZERO credit for getting to the NBA Finals. "
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This is how it works: you guys come up with excuses for
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Pathetic.

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243. "False, Trash. But go on and cook with that false narrative"
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That is your stock in trade after all, Trash.

  

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247. "Ahh so who's name-calling and not talking basketball now? "
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Bwhahahhahhahahhahhahhahahahaah

You mad ass bag of hoecakes, you

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251. "But you gave Carlisle no credit for a RING with (an ancient) Kidd..hmmm...."
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259. "Lol! Who talking about Carlisle? Idiot. "
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n/m

  

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263. "Your bitchass."
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252. "I gave what I got, Trash"
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You took it there, not me, Trash.

  

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260. "Apology accepted. Love is love, just don't let it happen again. "
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>You took it there, not me, Trash.


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262. "You're delusional, Trash"
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272. "I got your inbox. Apology accepted, it's all good. "
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273. "Please, post a screen shot of this "inbox""
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The only time I ever inboxed you was to let you know I had the hookup on audiobooks like five years ago.

In fact, so you don't photoshop some shit, record a video clip of you opening my inbox.

I'll wait.

  

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278. "I hope you live a long and fruitful life, man. "
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>The only time I ever inboxed you was to let you know I had
>the hookup on audiobooks like five years ago.

That was dope of you, thanks.

>In fact, so you don't photoshop some shit, record a video clip
>of you opening my inbox.
>
>I'll wait.

Nah, you wishing ill on people.

I'm wishing you well.


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292. "May horrible things happen to you for all your days."
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But I still got the hookup on audiobooks if you're ever interested, because I'm a genuinely nice guy.

  

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281. "It's an unfunny joke he's made before...everyone knows what he's doing"
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285. "The inbox is between me and him, please stay out of it"
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Cool?


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293. "Nope. "
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226. "No, you're just wrong and mad as fuck."
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Why?

  

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228. "Nah, we said that when Luke was hired and it's proving correct "
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You're wrong.
And mad.

Please, tell us more.

  

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231. "Meds "
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Meds

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233. "don't do that man...keep this shit to basketball, at least"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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234. "True. "
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You right.

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238. "To be fair he's just being himself."
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Hence his persistent, irrelevant and disingenuous crusade against the Lakers making the easiest no brainer choice any team had in the entire 2016 NBA offseason.

If he had any sense he wouldn't be in here to begin with .

  

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241. "Oh, I have no problem with Luke Walton. "
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I have no proof he's a better coach than Byron, tho.

Byron goes the the NBA Finals -- "well, of course he did,
the East was weak."

Luke coaches the best team ever to an undefeated record:
"Look how Luke handled all that talent!"

Byron coaches an openly tanking team coddling Kobe in
a farewell tour: "He's obviously not the guy to carry
these guys forward."

Luke inherits guys Byron developed, doesn't have to
play Kobe: "Man, look how much better he is than
Byron"


I mean, it's like the night Trump won. You people really
aren't very bright, are you?

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250. "So many gross over simplifications. "
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>I have no proof he's a better coach than Byron, tho.

This team is .500 right now. The “proof” of whether or not Luke is better is certainly anecdotal but the fact that Luke has been a net positive force for this team isn’t remotely debatable…. And that’s where you’re failing in this.

>Byron goes the the NBA Finals -- "well, of course he did,
>the East was weak."
>Luke coaches the best team ever to an undefeated record:
>"Look how Luke handled all that talent!"

You’re looking at both factors far, far out of context.

D Lo was what… 4? 5 when Byron was winning conference titles?
Yeah, you’re overstating the significance that experience.

>Byron coaches an openly tanking team coddling Kobe in
>a farewell tour: "He's obviously not the guy to carry
>these guys forward."

Another gross oversimplification.
You can’t even have an honest discussion because you’re too focused on your misguided agendas.

>Luke inherits guys Byron developed, doesn't have to
>play Kobe: "Man, look how much better he is than
>Byron"

I don’t see anyone getting benched for making rookie mistakes, so yeah… that’s a plus.
Nobody is denying

>I mean, it's like the night Trump won. You people really
>aren't very bright, are you?

I have no idea what the fuck this is supposed to mean or has to do with anything regarding this team.

It’s a stupid thing to add.

  

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235. "Tell us more about what a piece of shit you are"
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It's telling that you can't keep it to basketball

  

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240. "Nah, real spit, I don't think message boards are good for you"
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>It's telling that you can't keep it to basketball

But love is love, I won't go there no more.

I will call you an idiot, tho.

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245. "Look who's talking, Trash."
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You mad as fuck and ran straight to your bag of ad hominems.

Because you're Trash.

  

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209. "Know what else isn't debatable?"
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This team likes Luke. They didn't like Byron. Oh well.

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210. "Uh. Steph, Klay and Draymond "liked" Mark Jackson more than Steve Kerr. "
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Fuck that got to do with anything?

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211. "Yes they did. "
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They said it was unfair for him to be fired, as much as they like playing for Kerr.

And yet nobody has said that about Byron. Hmmm.

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214. "No, they didn't. "
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>They said it was unfair for him to be fired, as much as they
>like playing for Kerr.
>
>And yet nobody has said that about Byron. Hmmm.

No, Steph Curry said something about Jackson because
the Warriors owner was talking dirty about Jackson
the FOLLOWING season for NO reason. That's just Steph
being a real G.

They didn't speak on it at the time he was fired.

But that's besides the point:

Some guys are players coaches. Luke and Mark Jackson are.

Some guys who win tons of games and championships aren't.

That has nothing to do with this issue, so this "who likes
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215. "RE: Yes they did. "
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It's probably nice that they don't have puke buckets next to the court for wind sprints anymore.

  

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219. "Right, because they are now in actual, adult, professional shape. "
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Thanks to Byron, of course.

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221. "They can't get in shape in other ways?"
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It's a disingenuous argument if you don't evaluate coaching styles. Byron was raised in the bootcamp Pat Riley Era, Luke is the youngest head coach in NBA history. It's one thing when you're coaching Kobe (who idolized the 80's) and another when you're coaching millennials (who idolized Kobe).

  

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223. "LMAO! What? "
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>It's a disingenuous argument if you don't evaluate coaching
>styles. Byron was raised in the bootcamp Pat Riley Era, Luke
>is the youngest head coach in NBA history. It's one thing
>when you're coaching Kobe (who idolized the 80's) and another
>when you're coaching millennials (who idolized Kobe).

Ummm If Millennials idolized Kobe, and Kobe is one of the
ass-kicker-ish athletes ever, what are you even talking
about? Byron kicked ass, made a bunch of entitled out of
shape bums, get in shape. And it worked -- ALL the rookies
and young guys were MUCH better players by season's end.

You're just making shit up now to save face. There is NOTHING
wrong with a coach making young dudes run to get their fat
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224. "lol @ fat asses"
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OE, you're imploding right before our eyes man

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Orbit_Established
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229. "You mean like you did after Lebron stole your soul? "
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Damn


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wallysmith
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266. "Again, being disingenuous."
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I was highlighting the generational differences. Kids idolize the players older than them.

What's hilarious is you keep harping on kids that can't even drink yet as being "out of shape". That wasn't the point at all, you're missing the forest for the leaves. Byron's style worked 16 years ago, when a number of those players were raised idolizing the players of the 80s. It's not as effective on players who don't know a world without Facebook. That's not necessarily an indictment of Byron, but more a symptom of changing times.

As for hiring Luke, look at the circumstances:

- Highly respected up-and-coming coach coming off 24-0 and 39-4 stand-in coaching stints (received 3 COTY votes)
- Absolutely glowing praise from Warriors players, including from Klay (son of Mychal, long time Laker analyst/color commentator)
- Former fan favorite on the team, with deep ties to Mitch and the Buss family
- Despite Thibodeau showing interest in the job, Lakers never really entertained him (FO also a factor here though)
- Luke actually wanted to coach in LA

Unless his name was Gregg Popovich, there was no chance the Lakers were retaining the current coach if the opportunity to hire Luke was there. Besides the whole "son of HOF'er" thing, Luke has long been characterized as a high IQ player and the reality of him being a head coach in the league has long been expected.

What's my point to all this? Hiring Luke was never a slight to Byron. It's only a slight if you have an agenda and ignore all the context. Luke had the rare combination of pedigree, youth, experience and organizational ties that doesn't come along very often. Unless the Lakers somehow made a deep playoff run, they were going to hire Luke Walton regardless if Byron or Thibs or Brooks or (most) whoever was coaching.

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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Tue Nov-29-16 11:49 AM

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216. "they are also playing a lot better under walton"
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keeping scott when you had a chance to hire walton would be like keeping grunfeld as your gm when you had the chance to hire ijiri. one guy is provenly mediocre, the other guy is an up and comer.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Orbit_Established
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218. "No shit. They aren't tanking and giving Kobe a farewell. "
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>keeping scott when you had a chance to hire walton would be
>like keeping grunfeld as your gm when you had the chance to
>hire ijiri. one guy is provenly mediocre, the other guy is an
>up and comer.

Byron Scott was in the NBA Finals the last time he coached
a team with any talent, at all.


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Cold Truth
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Tue Nov-29-16 02:11 PM

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225. "LMAO, 15 fucking years ago in an anemic East. Bye felicia. "
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>Byron Scott was in the NBA Finals the last time he coached
>a team with any talent, at all.


  

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Orbit_Established
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230. "Bwahahahahaha. That's the last decent team he was able to coach, idiot. "
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He coached the POST-Lebron Cavaliers. Hasn't
gotten any good coaching jobs since.

Again: Give him the SAME chance you give these other
dudes.


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Cold Truth
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Tue Nov-29-16 02:37 PM

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237. "Give a man the best team in a weak conference"
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Tue Nov-29-16 02:41 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

Yeah, a lot of guys will make the Finals with that.

It's a good thing to have on his resume but you're grossly overstating the significance of that accomplishment, idiot.

See how you can't stick to basketball?
See how you go to shit like 'meds" and "idiot"?
You can't even keep your snark snarky.

Because you're trash.

  

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Orbit_Established
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239. "LMAO. So Scott gets *no* credit for that? Bwhahahahhaha"
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But gets the blame for the Lakers OPENLY TANKING and
playing Kobe on a goodbye tour?!?!

And Luke gets credit for coaching the best team in
league history to an undefeated record?

Look at your double and triple standards


>See how you go to shit like 'meds" and "idiot"?

>You're trash.

You mad


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Cold Truth
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244. "I said neither, Trash. But again... this is your way."
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Because you're garbage.

  

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Orbit_Established
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248. "Damn, I sank your sad, mad battleship. Take that 'L' "
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>Because you're garbage.

Oh, yes, you mad

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Cold Truth
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254. "No, Trash, I'm not. "
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Tue Nov-29-16 03:14 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

Mad was the guy who made a beeline to the sewer because his basketball arguments were flimsy, dishonest myopic scraps of an easily disproven agenda.

You know, like how you continue to insist that Pringles is somehow beloved among us.

You do that because you're Trash.

  

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Orbit_Established
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271. "Hope you get help. Your post below was pretty weird. "
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Message board arguments aren't for you, sparky.

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