i mean the cat did get a couple of chips and was very good.

naw he ain't at the door steps with WLit, Miken, Kareem and Shaq, however he did more than ELden Campbell and Vladi DIvac and other post Shaq Centers in LA Right?

so whats his Laker Legacy in hindsight?

never has a cat been traded with so much potential and also coming on and who knows how his story will end up?

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

and LA knew that him ending up in the West meant they would get punished at least a couple times a season...

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One Hundred.

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I know he had lapses this year but I'll never forget the fact that he went out there on one leg to give it his all for 2 championship runs.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

that's how i saw it at least.

i still blame hip-hop.

i think the man sill revolutionize the game once doug collins let's him do whatever he wants and tells his teammates to just get out the way 89 style.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQO-0pfo2IY

The last dude shoulda been watching for the elbow.

Phil didn't like him, his name was consistently floated in trade rumors, and he couldn't be the #1 option on offense even though he's got the best post game of any current center.

He is probably happy to be on a team where he can really shine.

- They went out on a limb for him as a fat 17 year old. They saw a potential no one else saw (at least the 9 picks before him)

- They hung onto him when they had a chance to get a couple of stars (Kidd, Melo) who were major at the time that could have contributed more to their championships runs at the time, and refused to make trade offers that were clearly offered to them. They believed Bynum was the future of the franchise.

- They stuck by him through his injury plagued seasons and never made money an issue, he always got his extensions with no haggling.

- Phil wanted Bynum to dedicate himself to the defense, and protect the middle and grab boards. He also was very lazy at showing on pick and rolls. Bynum was more concerned about his offensive game, which truthfully, if he beasted on defense, he could have averaged a lot more. Bynum was notorious for taking games off on defense, which was baffling when you saw the rare games that he brings it and shows you his mindblowing potential. He wouldn't grab boards, box out, do the little things. He just wanted to shoot (I admit he has a wonderfully refined offensive game). They even upped him in the foodchain by having more plays called for him and sacrificing Pau (playing him in a position he was not comfortable in) to make sure Bynum was the man on offense.

- Lastly, just as he was having his best season, and the Lakers were ready to hitch their wagon to him, he started showing more of his immaturity. It was one thing to show it against teammates, or his coach, but to be nonchalant against a management (specifically Jim Buss), who had his back all along, made them rethink their stance.



All that said, I really loved Bynum, and still do. The Lakers once balked on trading Bynum for Howard straight up, but as last season played out to a close, they had to. I wish Bynum the best. I would like to see him beast on both ends, and learn how to play out of double teams (he sucks at it). I think he will have a stellar career (barring injuries). I also always love him for playing with one leg through 3 championship runs. But he did get a fair shake in LA.

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

THESE DOBERS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE DOBERS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE DOBERS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE DOBERS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE MAMBAS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE MAMBAS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE MAMBAS WONT HOLD ME BACK
THESE MAMBAS WONT HOLD ME BACK

<--- Big Baller World Order

nm

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Just couldn't depend on him in the long run.

<--- Big Baller World Order

this post.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

nm

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Butler only play 1 season with Kobe and at that point it was his best season ever.

Shaq's fgp went up but his fga's went way down despite no longer having to play with the great ball hog Kobe Bryant

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=3F6F3E67-28B

what am i going to do, dig around for kwame brown's numbers or tell you what D Fish did with the Warriors?

we're looking at good starters who went elsewhere, those were the two guys that came to mind so i checked their numbers. what evidence did he have? just pro-kobe conjecture like always.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

especially big men. gasol never even sniffed 54% before LA, came here and shot almost 59%, then 56.7. Odumb's FG% improved dramatically after he was traded here and then he went to Dallas and fell of the face of the earth. Chris Mihm was most efficient here. even Kwame! dude shot almost 60%.

even the spot up shooters like Radmanovich and Jumaine Jones had career highs from 3. Sessions had career highs from 2 and 3. and we all saw Smush Parker's % plummet after he left. as for Ariza, he didnt hit career highs in LA but his % damn sure went down in Houston and New Orleans. shit Shannon Brown just left to play with Nash and even his FG% decreased.

people dont think of kobe as a player who makes his teammates better because he's a ball hog but his role in the offense has always been to score a shitload of points AND set up others. he's been the lone playmaker on his team since forever.

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Just admit you were wrong about what you said. It's not really a solid indicator either way anyway. I'm not here argue the broader claim, just the specific one you made, which was inaccurate.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

notice i didnt say "everyone hit their career highs up to that point in their career."

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Example #2 of the gems the Lakers can pull when they actually play their way into the late lottery (Eddie Jones being the first).

Sidelined by injuries early.

Tossed under the bus by You Know Who, like You Know Who and still never took it to the press making them mad they couldn't get copy & the Lakers mad when he wouldn't pay lip-service to loving them while they shop him perpetually.

A guy who's 24 years old with the most refined post game of any center in the league.

A dude who they lost without in the playoffs & won with during their three straight finals run.

A man with an opportunity to beast on his own now that the shackles are off & the scene has shifted to the east, my brotha, to the east.

A Center of Consequence in a league full of puffed-up power-forwards.

Jersey Native.

Kobe Hater.

Returning Home From Cali But Not Without A Few Darryl Dawkins Earthquaker Shakers.

Anti-Faker.

McKayla-Level Mythologically Unimpressed Laker.

Early Rhianna Dater.

Non-Snitch.

Non-Bitch.

Knew Better Than To Wife An Underage Video Hoe Who Gobbles Nut For Famous Athlete Riches.

Healthy Perspective In The Face Of German-and-HGH-Engineered Glitches.

In Practice Soon To Face The Bust Who Tossed The Birthday Cake.

A Starving Man Who Finally Gets To Load HIs Plate & Eat Until His Belly Ache.

Walking Reminder We Won't See An Iggy/Harkless Tandem On A Future Date.

'Oh You Mad That I'm Stylin On You?' Into *Antoine Walker Shimmy-Shake*

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

http://i.imgur.com/NDcYk.gif

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

>

Doug Collins. LOL

Don't know and don't care. Iggy and Brand led us for the last 4 years to mediocrity. We'll find out this season.

similar to how it's been for awhile.

The leading shot-taker/amount-of-touches guy is gonna be Bynum though as long as he's healthy.

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I want to see succeed. ugh.

I think we all know where their rightful place is

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

from team to team and switch opinions with the wind. They winiest pack of losers ever.

for this dude in Philly anyay.

Y'all have fun with that stack squad, no need to pretend anything else matters, let AB's 'Fuck Kobe, Pay Me In Summer Of '1-3' Tour begin in earnest.

He's our problem now, you can spend that time watching Guy Smiley's Greatest Hits Impression Collection online instead.

about the next NBA season. enjoy.

college football, NFL & NBA.

More than I've been in four, eight & ten years respectively.

But y'all can keep it movin, no use tryin' to play friends now.

individually on your squad whether y'all win or lose. But stay mad

>individually on your squad whether y'all win or lose. But
>stay mad

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

I look forward to killing that sentiment with the quickness whether y'all realize it yet or not.

The Sixers beating us for a title. We both know that isn't going to happen so keep on with all the self-aggrandizing nonsense as it makes no difference to me.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

y'all ain't love this dude all that much when he was on your team, believe me by the end of it we gonna have all y'all activing typing hate.

Listen to me now, believe me later on, in the future(c)Khujo Goodie

Here's what I'll say about Drew - like LA2P said, the dude was a WARRIOR in the 09 and 10 finals. He grew from a raw project into an offensive beast who began to care a wee bit too much about being the #1 or #2 option (I don't care to look it up, but I'd venture to guess our win percentage wasn't so great when Drew scored 25+, but was awesome when he grabbed more than 10 boards).

Still, he's a hell of a player. Aloof, immature, and not yet ready to lead - but a hell of a player who deserved all the acclaim he got and who's body has betrayed him from being a 3-4x all star with 3+ chips.

D12 better tho.

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17x NBA Champions

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World Peace to protect him

This was a dude who never had to accept any kind of real responsibility or leadership until this season. He was always the third or fourth or fifth on the totem pole during those championship runs so there was no spotlight on him. Clearly, his immaturity was definitely spotlighted this year as he took over the responsibility of #2, and it's a work in progress. The point is...many people don't just suddenly turn into leaders or mature overnight when they had no prior need to do so. He spoke candidly and openly in the closing interview to Mitch and Coach Brown about playing more for his teammates rather than himself. As aloof and uninterested that his pragmatism and intellect make him sound, those two qualities are also very important in learning from your past and developing further.

I wish him all the best and have loved seeing him grow from that chubby 17 year old to the potential beast today w great footwork. It's a shame two freak injuries took away some of his explosiveness but he has recovered/adjusted, particularly with the new brace he adopted at the end of last year.

That being said...Dwight better for our needs.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

2011-2012

bynum scores 25 and over: 8-4, 67% winning percentage
bynum grabs 10 rebs and over: 24-13, 65% winning percentage
overall lakers record: 41-25, 62% winning percentage

<= 15 pts: lakers 14-6 (70%)
<= 7 rebs: lakers 6-7 (46%)

Since the 2008-2009 season, he's:

70-34 in games with >=10 rebounds (67%)
14-4 in games with >=25 points (77%)

We'll see what happens when his touches go up and his rebounds go down (cause they will).

I really don't care THAT much and can't believe I'm even looking for it...but at least I gave a decent sample size. And in your world, that means something. Enjoy, sometimes-Philly fan!

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17x NBA Champions

..while his size, stature, and skill set show great potential for someone his age, most people forget just how long he's been in the league

his injuries have been a plague for quite some time, and only recently has he shown the ability to actually remain relatively healthy for an entire season.

while his size & strength should guarantee him solid standing over the next few seasons, the wear & tear of the game will certainly show. *you can accelerate that timeline if he doesn't have some serious help offensively.

all in all, he's top 5 among active centers.

i wish bynum nothing but success, but something tells me that we've already seen his best years behind him.


..and miles to go before i sleep...

He had his best year this year.

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17x NBA Champions

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

..but i can't help but to consider the fact that this past season was not only shortened, but it was also one of the few where the lakers were comin' off an early exit in the playoffs

if he plays an ENTIRE season on another team, lengthy playoff run while maintainin' the same productivity, THEN i'll consider his greater potential within' reach.

'til then, its just wishful thinkin' on borrowed time


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I agree on the point that the injuries will take a toll on him down the road, but what I have always loved about Bynum is his ability to want to get better (at least on offense), and I think he will have his best season ever next season......barring injuries of course.

..i'm just not convinced about his endurance

regardless of where he ultimately lands (philly bein' the obvious), he won't have players like kobe, pau, and metta to take the pressure off of him

his conditioning will have to improve greatly, along with his maturity.

remember, he's had one of the most generous opportunities to grow in the league because he was drafted & nurtured by the lakers (when most teams would've given up on him a long time ago). *another major injury will pretty much shut the door on future contracts.

again, i really do wish him the best, but i really don't see his career improving much more than it has already.


..and miles to go before i sleep...

He is 25 years old and wear-and-tear wise you can shave off his rookie season completely (no higher than it would have been playing college, probably less intense really).

His inability to stay healthy for 82 games is no more a concern now than it was a couple years ago, although it's obviously still a big concern. He doesn't play star's minutes either, 30 a night max in his career.

There is also some question about his ability to assume a larger role with a team but I would answer those questions affirmatively. When he's been trusted, he's shown some good things. If he had a bigger role I think that would help his confidence and consistency. A new start should help.

Of course he is heading into high expectations from a demanding coach and an equally demanding fan base. That's good. He was not going to get better being pampered and if he has firm but knowledgeable people around him, he should get better.

I don't have a lot of certainty but I am optimistic about his time with the Sixers. As far as his Laker legacy, he was a draft steal and a guy who played a huge role in two titles. Was there really anything unclear about that?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>He is 25 years old and wear-and-tear wise you can shave off
>his rookie season completely (no higher than it would have
>been playing college, probably less intense really).

bynum had major injury concerns comin' out of high school, so the red flag was already there.

>His inability to stay healthy for 82 games is no more a
>concern now than it was a couple years ago, although it's
>obviously still a big concern. He doesn't play star's minutes
>either, 30 a night max in his career.

with a full regular season, you better believe his minutes will increase. no kobe, no gasol, and plenty of double teams could be serious trouble for him.

>There is also some question about his ability to assume a
>larger role with a team but I would answer those questions
>affirmatively. When he's been trusted, he's shown some good
>things. If he had a bigger role I think that would help his
>confidence and consistency. A new start should help.

his sensitive nature doesn't help. while i credit him for maintaining his composure for the most part, you can truly see the areas of concern regardin' his future.

>Of course he is heading into high expectations from a
>demanding coach and an equally demanding fan base. That's
>good. He was not going to get better being pampered and if he
>has firm but knowledgeable people around him, he should get
>better.

the laker org worked tirelessly with him regarding development, but he was far from pampered. the real reason for concern moving fwd is the fact that he's never responded well to physical confrontations on the floor. now, he'll have huge expectations on & off the court, with a rabid fan base known to turn on you @ the drop of a dime.

>I don't have a lot of certainty but I am optimistic about his
>time with the Sixers. As far as his Laker legacy, he was a
>draft steal and a guy who played a huge role in two titles.
>Was there really anything unclear about that?

again, he was a draft steal because of his previous injury reports.


..and miles to go before i sleep...

there were other reasons he slipped, i mean he was a dough boy with zero college pedigree at the time.

i wasn't saying he was pampered in LA, just that he did not need to be elsewhere to succeed. in fact i think that would be a negative thing for him.

like i said, i see all the same ifs with him that you do, i just don't think there is that kind of urgency with time.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

..history has shown that men of his size & stature deteriorate rapidly (esp after serious injuries)

when you consider the toll taken on his knees alone, its an incredible gamble at this point. still, it only takes one incredible year capped with a championship for that gamble to pay off. but in this current era, its highly doubtful that philly will ever make it past miami, let alone stand a chance against the western powers.




..and miles to go before i sleep...

and they played more frequently at a pretty high level.

it's not like bynum is getting weaker or more injured, he's had a pretty steady level and last season was one of his healthier ones.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

..bynum is being compared to howard (and shaq) as a cornerstone

*and i should add that cleveland wasted quite a bit of $$$ tied up in a horrible contract for a player who barely played during the bulk of that tenure (esp the bron years).

Glad i don't have to hold my breath anymore every time he jumps.
Time bomb knees.

<--- Big Baller World Order

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>all in all, he's top 5 among active centers.
>
>i wish bynum nothing but success,
no you don't.

>but something tells me that
>we've already seen his best years behind him.
>
That would make sense if he hadn't just completed the healthiest seeason of his career against a condensed game schedule while playing nearly ten minutes more per game plus finally got to a point where he was finally able in the Brown era to wrestle 13 shots a night away from Double-Team-Heat-Check-From-Distance Dude.

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>>all in all, he's top 5 among active centers.
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>>i wish bynum nothing but success,
>no you don't.

most people would be hard-pressed to name 5 active centers better than bynum. *shrug*

and your suggestion that i don't wish him well? you obviously don't know me very well. i wished the same for shaq, lynch, dunn, & plenty other players who were once members of teams that i love. i'm not one of the zealots who hate anyone who's not on their fav team.


>>but something tells me that
>>we've already seen his best years behind him.
>>
>That would make sense if he hadn't just completed the
>healthiest seeason of his career against a condensed game
>schedule while playing nearly ten minutes more per game plus
>finally got to a point where he was finally able in the Brown
>era to wrestle 13 shots a night away from
>Double-Team-Heat-Check-From-Distance Dude.

i don't argue stats. i look to actual play on the court/field. bynum's # of shot attempts suffered more from poor entry passes than anything else (but there's no stat line for that). if you want to fault someone, fault the entire org for failing to bring in a proper guard to actively distribute the ball. kobe's shown willingness to dial down his attempts (3peat yrs, olympic appearances, etc), whenever he's been presented with teammates that handle the ball well and knock down shots.

while i was very happy with bynum's production this season, i recognize that it was condensed and laker's benefit heavily from their hollywood connection (esp near midseason). on top of that, he's been playin' with one of the largest front court presences in the league for most of his career.

again, i truly hope he continues to improve, but i'm doubtful that will happen in philly.


..and miles to go before i sleep...

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

pretending to root for us over a dude none of y'all wanted to keep out of some kinda fake-class gesture fans of a perennially contending team feel content enough to do.

Nah, we're cutting that off at the past on this board today & going forward.

If Socks balls out you're gonna hear about on this board until you hate him as much as he & we already hate Kobe.

So if that's too unseemly for any of those classy Laker Fans to swallow y'all might as well ignore us, because ain't no use frontin' like there's a fake truce.

This is a Jersey kid returning to hopefully give life back to a moribund Philly franchise that seems to be figuring it out under the new ownership.

Drew no longer has anything to do with you.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

outside of maybe some strategic tanking but them finally having a worthwhile building block for the first time in damn near a decade is going to finally up the ante a bit from the boring mediocre malaise they've been stuck in.

I wouldn't expect The United States Of Laker Fans to truly understand going thru full decades of terribleness or even worse being just good enough to not bottom out.

Six straight seasons of being a low-seed with Andre Iguodala as their best player is deflating as fuck.

that your boy Bubbachuck had peaked back in 01 and was never going to relevant in the NBA again.

So just to be clear is Philly your #1 or #2 team this year after Miami?

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

Only a fan could be that blind.

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

>Only a fan could be that blind.

who now happens to be the reigning champion.

But that doesn't mean I'm a Heat Fan, that just means I'm a fan of basketball.

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

same team I got out of first grade to go to the parade for back in '83.

you can keep trying that angle but it just doesn't fly.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

..anywhere in the past 20 yrs?

c'mon

we'll give y'all credit for that ONE season where iverson played LIGHTS-OUT, and got y'all ONE game against the champs. outside of that, philly was no more than sideshow bob.

how absurdly ridiculous of you to ever consider that joke of a team/org enough of a threat to ever REQUIRE a truce with the lakers.

FOH

bynum has earned my respect as a player & a person. for that, he's cool in my book. but make no mistake about it: when he lines up against the lakers, he'll be treated like any other opponent and promptly showed the door.


..and miles to go before i sleep...