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JUSTICE
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"Kelo"
Wed Oct-16-02 02:29 PM

  

          

is this dude a badass or what?

Does he just mix monitors?
on ANY DESK!?!?
Man I seen that dude on like 15 different systems, and its usually very clean. Speakers are all made of paper so cabinet doesnt matter. I think he knows every component.

off the top
Truth.com Seattle: Jenky system in a Aircraft Hanger mad echo, I believe there were delays every fifty feet.

Green Circle SD: Humble little house ststem that boomed. All QSC amps. Nice
Belly Up SD: Best system in the county

4th and B SD: This system sucks. Phase cancellation all day.
Street Scene SD: Yearly outdoor sound, bare bones

Great American Music Hall SF: great old hall, small stage doesnt allow for a great monitor

does he do all the arena tour joints too?
I heard Skratch got mix skills too.

Kelo needs some fuckin respect!
Give that guy a raise!

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Subject Author Message Date ID
*waits for the "who is kelo" post*
Oct 16th 2002
1
RE: Kelo
Oct 16th 2002
2
i want to follow in kelo's footsteps
Oct 17th 2002
3
word, props to kelo
Oct 17th 2002
4
up for the soundmen
Oct 19th 2002
5
imma keep pushin
Oct 20th 2002
6
key
Oct 20th 2002
7
the company I work for
Oct 20th 2002
8
ok ok I get it
Oct 20th 2002
9
RE: key
Oct 22nd 2002
25
sound boy burial
Oct 20th 2002
10
maybe he wasnt there
Oct 20th 2002
11
now that we're talking sound..
Oct 20th 2002
12
I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)
Oct 20th 2002
13
RE: I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)
Oct 20th 2002
14
guesses
Oct 20th 2002
15
RE: guesses
Oct 20th 2002
17
RE: I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)
Oct 21st 2002
23
      arrays/house systems
Oct 22nd 2002
26
           mine
Oct 22nd 2002
27
           school me on the meyers
Oct 22nd 2002
28
           RE: arrays/house systems
Oct 22nd 2002
30
RE: I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)
Oct 20th 2002
16
      ok?
Oct 20th 2002
18
           hahaha
Oct 20th 2002
19
                I can dig it
Oct 20th 2002
20
we got some tricks up the sleeve
Oct 21st 2002
22
up
Oct 21st 2002
21
this is a great post
Oct 22nd 2002
24
i agree
Oct 22nd 2002
29
FX?!?!?!?!
Oct 24th 2002
31
ooh, good question..nm
Oct 24th 2002
32
think this should be archived?
Oct 25th 2002
33
      archive this!! nm
Oct 25th 2002
34
RE: FX?!?!?!?!
Oct 25th 2002
35

justin_scott
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1. "*waits for the "who is kelo" post*"
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dude is underappreciated, but then again, so are all the okayartists/affiliates.

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2. "RE: Kelo"
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Good soundmen are hard to come by. Big up Artliss for holding it down as well for the Legendary Roots Crew.

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3. "i want to follow in kelo's footsteps"
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but i dont know what he did....can we have a short bio?

  

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4. "word, props to kelo"
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i know that any roots show i attend will be on point even if usually the sound system sucks, kelo is definitely under appreciated by most.

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Henry Roberts

Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers

  

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JUSTICE
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5. "up for the soundmen"
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myspace.com/sonnyphono
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JUSTICE
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6. "imma keep pushin"
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7. "key"
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is the 6th beatle. dixpop is fifth.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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JUSTICE
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8. "the company I work for"
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mixed Monterrey Jazz since inception.

the last Beatles concert at the Candlestick, all kinds of shit. I'm an apprentice now, that doesnt decypher what you posted, I guess I need to research. Y'all gotta gem, I'd love to do just one tour as a drum tech (got resume!) just to learn how he groups, eq's and sets all mixes, that way I wont get my ass kicked when I step to doing non coporate gigs.

Basically can someone break down, "How not to get killed as a soundman in hip hop/rock" ???

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JUSTICE
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9. "ok ok I get it"
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6th beatle
duhhhhhhhh
Imma harass somebody for insight, I mean thats better than just dickriding.
btw, I set your drums, and Kamal's keys at great American last Dec, ran into KMack on the street and straight got recruited.
?uest to Tina "Oh no thetruth.com guy!" I was running MikeCzech's sound on tour then.

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25. "RE: key"
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how bout fillin in some of that shit since the due date
for phrenology is getting closer. Peace.

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10. "sound boy burial"
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man, there was ONE time when they were STRUGGLING with the sound. HARD. there was a show in the summer of 2000 in Brixton in London. Slum played, jurassic 5, ozomatli, the roots....but the sound was ASS. it almost came to blows as i recall. but yeah, this theater LOOKED nice, sounded ass.

tight show now that i think about it. thought had his dreads out, which was rare, and he freestyled during a j5/slum cypher on stage.


  

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JUSTICE
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11. "maybe he wasnt there"
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european conponents can be tricky too, I mean mainly Mackies I imagine, but all the eq's etc are a little different, Pin one hot.

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bw
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12. "now that we're talking sound.."
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here's a question I've wondered about for a long while:

After reading the TRCA liner notes (the parts about sound guys hating to do the Roots), I confirmed this by talking to some people I've worked with in the northeast. The Roots have a bad rep among sound companies.. and I'm interested why. Do The Roots push levels too hard? Demand more out of soundsystems than artists/tours with lower sonic standards? I know that the Roots play more shows than most other bands, and so I imagine that they have higher expectations of what good systems are.
Anyone who could elaborate, that would be super.

Also, i'd love to get in a discussion about the equipment/techniques used at the Roots live shows.. I don't know much besides the microphone requirements and general indications from seeing them play/general sound principles.

bw
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13. "I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)"
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Drum kit: two overhead (Shure sm81)Snare(shuresm57) toms (beta87x2)kick (beyer88) Intant replay (directx2) mpc?(two more for stereo) thats 10 just for ?uest. Group one.

Keys, 2 DI's for the Korg 2 for the hammond
14

bass DI+1 sm57 on the amp
16
GTR DI+ sm57
18
Skratch sm58
Thought sm 58
?uest sm58

so that 21 in a simple format.

now verb, returns, for each instument.

monitor mixes:
Mix one ?uest 2 wedges
mix two Ben one wedge
mix 3 Hub one wedge+sub
mix 4 Kamal one wedge
mix 5 for vox 2 for thought
mix 6 for vox 2 for skratch

thats potentially 9 amps, plus processing sends to each mix.

not includung FOH
4 subs along the front
4 tops a side (stereo)
2 front fills (mono)

delays? two a side every 50 feet?

thats a lot of work for a hip hop show.

Now imagine the okp tour. Who's got what mic? what mix are they listening for? M1 wants more snare in mix two but Guru's on in 3 minutes and wants less. Ahhhh I'm a nerd!

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bw
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14. "RE: I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)"
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>Drum kit: two overhead (Shure sm81)Snare(shuresm57) toms
>(beta87x2)kick (beyer88) Intant replay (directx2) mpc?(two
>more for stereo) thats 10 just for ?uest. Group one.

I've seen ?uest use the full line of kick mics, including the beta 52 and the d112. Also, I've seen him Shure KSM32's for overheads. Is the instant replay what they're using?

>Keys, 2 DI's for the Korg 2 for the hammond
>14

Hammond or Rhodes?

>bass DI+1 sm57 on the amp
>16
I've never seen them mic the bass amp before, just DI. And btw, Hub uses a Zoom 506 bass multi-effects pedal.

>Skratch sm58

Scratch uses a Shure SM57 Beta.

>Now imagine the okp tour. Who's got what mic? what mix are
>they listening for? M1 wants more snare in mix two but
>Guru's on in 3 minutes and wants less. Ahhhh I'm a nerd!

join the club.!

bw
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JUSTICE
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15. "guesses"
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not observations

I'd DI and mic a bass amp.send the mic direct to the sub send. and KABOOM!

Rhodes not Hammond (my bad)

57 makes sense for Skratch. More range.

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17. "RE: guesses"
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yeah, i always give bass amps a DI and mic first, then see how the difference sounds.

bw
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23. "RE: I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)"
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Scratch uses a Beta 57A.
All Vocals are Beta 58's
NO SM's unless the company doesn't have Beta's and I didn't bring our mic pac with us. I always bring BT and Scratch's mics and a Beta 52 Kick.

Right now we're at about 34 Channels and 9 Monitor Mixes.

As to our reputation among snound companies...They quickly realize that selling a school a half ass sound system (lowest bidder) can get you fucked up. WE've taxed a few and word gets around. I try to use the same companies (National Audio, Rainbo, Clair Bros., Rat Sound and Soundlab just to name a few.)all the time but we play in some weird spots and i have to bring in companies that i'm not familiar with. THEY SOON LEARN!!!

Peace,
Keith Mack

  

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26. "arrays/house systems"
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what is your favorite house system to work with? Clair customs, RAT traps, McCauleys, particular arrays? what about amplification?
in semi-relation, I recently got to hear the Adamson (canada) Y-axis mid-high array (it was used at The Roots show at UMass-Amherst last year, with Ludacris/Guster) and it sounds great.

bw
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27. "mine"
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Meyer Sound self powered msl4 tops, 650p subs. the kaboom!

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28. "school me on the meyers"
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ridiculous heavy? how does not having amps improve/change your setup? how do you run power to the system? custom distro? how's the realtime control stuff? i'd imagine it would have to be pretty solid.
how hard are they to fix if parts break? do parts break?
thanks

bw
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30. "RE: arrays/house systems"
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Wow...you a sound freak! Get my man a job! I'll keep you in mind next time someones looking for a sound geek...I mean person! : P

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16. "RE: I'm guessing mad inputs(my set up)"
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>Drum kit: two overhead (Shure sm81)Snare(shuresm57) toms
>(beta87x2)kick (beyer88)

Also, I don't recall seeing beta 87's on toms... not sure what I did see on there. I know that Shure's Roots endorsement would recommend Beta 98's.

bw
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JUSTICE
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18. "ok?"
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1. I'm an apprentice
2. those were all guesses

youre killing me yo

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19. "hahaha"
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sorry if my tone was harsh, your information is great and really in depth.
and i would drool to apprentice with a large system provider or a tour... so you've got a leg up.
thanks!!

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JUSTICE
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20. "I can dig it"
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this whole convo should prolly be in High tech, but Kelo may see it and hire us!

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22. "we got some tricks up the sleeve"
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we are problematic because promoters can or will not supply us with the proper sound requirements that we need to rock the mic right.

i got soundcheck in a bit so i can go all into it. im sure there is something archived. but i will say that people respond to volume. when the kick is kicking your stomach and the snare is crisp and bright (mind you--we are a band, so we have challenge on our hands because we have to make these instruments sound big enough as if it were "real rap music" coming at you. we don't trigger the drums (just recently added snaps and claps to accent the snares) so we have to make sure there is punch and warmth in the kick, and compete with the bass without feedback. add cutting the rest of the instruments and you have a sonic nightmare if we dont get our system.

on the real--its a long story KEITH?!?!?!

but trust us---we trying to go to a whole nother level with sound. we gonna do some things ---providing we can get proper support on the tour tip.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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21. "up"
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24. "this is a great post"
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I wonder if dude knows he's appreciated by us.

Thanks to KMack for clearing up the mic ?uestions! If I ever have to pull a show y'all be on I'll remember all Shure all the time.(BETAS!!!)
39 inputs? I couldnt even count em out

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29. "i agree"
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kelo rocks

but much like punk ass kamal..he wouldn't play me in pool either


much love,
Kyle

if you got beef: http://www.okayplayer.com/guidelines.html


"but why oh why do you feel you need to take over the world when you already rule? " ~ calamity june

and thats that.

much love,
Kyle

Detroit..Let's GO!!! May 12th Dilla Walk for Lupus...Belle Isle...

http://walk.lupusresearch.org/goto/blackeyedskeez

Even a Dollar can HELP..


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31. "FX?!?!?!?!"
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Processors please! What do you use for skratch,drums, all that, just basic verbs? preferences?

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32. "ooh, good question..nm"
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33. "think this should be archived?"
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lets start a little massive! Okaysoundboys!

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34. "archive this!! nm"
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bw
OkaySound, bringing you high volume with low feedback since now.

  

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35. "RE: FX?!?!?!?!"
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•Stereo Equalizer (31 band, 1/3 octave)
•System Spectrum Analyzer
•2 Delays (TC Electronics 2290) or (Roland 3000)
•2 Eventide (Fully loaded 3000, 3500 or 4000 series)
•2 SPX 990
•2 SPX 1000
•1 Lexicon 480L
•4 Klark Teknik DN5 10 Gates (NOT DN514) 8 channels
•8 Channels of Compressors

Peace,
Keith Mack

  

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