I just read yet another article where the DPz talk about purposely distancing themselves from "conscious rappers" like Mos Def, Talib kweli and The Roots because it limits their fans to "white people". Although I understand where they're coming from, it kinda makes me upset because I been a fan of those artists from day one (I'm at every show in Atlanta too, I put my money where my mouth is) and I'm as black as they come.

Since they've even gone as far as changing their style from the first album, i guess my question is this: With this verbal tirade against artists like Mos and Talib (both strongly supported by The Roots and Okayplayer.Com) I wonder if they're making a mistake by shutting out that core audience that they've built up so far?

Heck, the only reason i saw them perform before is because they were on the same bill as The Roots one year...what do you guys think...

whether or not their audience likes the music

they care if their audience wants to join and fight for the things their music speaks about

and to the death

where is this article of which you speak?

* *

"in the luv shack with a nug sack and my rug rats who keep naps under they skull caps. pass around a bottle of sambuca and a hookah, there's even times when i look into the future. blazin' DMT with GFE. now don't be surprised when you seein' me wi

it's funny how they talk about only whites embracing their music. that phenomenon is not exclusive to dead prez. all hip-hop artists draw mostly white consumers.

wtf?

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"I'm so sorry I can't wait no longer/I have to go now, I will leave my number/Call me up tonight, let's go out tonight/Come and be with a thuggin, huggin, snugglin, underneath the stars that shine so bright/hey yo hey yo hey yo" -

If I were the DPz, I wouldn't feel very UNcomfortable delivering my content to a show full of white people, as they often end up having to do. The sight of white kids throwing up a fist for the cause makes me cringe. Kind of like when I see girls dance to mysoginistic rap songs. Must be frustrating.

As far as I know, the DPz are activists (or whatever is the appropriate term) first and artists second, whereas the Roots, Mos Def, Kweli, while they may reveal their political views in their work, are concerned primarily with creating art.

>As far as I know, the DPz are activists (or whatever is the
>appropriate term) first and artists second

... I know that's been said here and there, but I don't personally buy it. I think it's become trendy to say that about them. That's my opinion ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

since they were teenagers and they were always activists. as a matter of fact, when i found out they were rappers i was shocked because they didn't run with they "i wanna be the next tribe" cats back in college. they probably got tired of seeing how every young brother knew the words to biggie songs and figured they could use the music to spread the message. but they always had the message. they even started this group called NPDUM
National Peoples Democratic Uhuru Movement and they were doing demonstrations and community events all the time.

h20
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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before and kept being amazed as it grew and changed and morphed stop wanting to be challenged...it will be the day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all as hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was really obsession and you held on so tight that you choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy wilson

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured

fuck the police!

why does that make you cringe?

* *

"in the luv shack with a nug sack and my rug rats who keep naps under they skull caps. pass around a bottle of sambuca and a hookah, there's even times when i look into the future. blazin' DMT with GFE. now don't be surprised when you seein' me wi

is not the same reality that we black folks have.

******************************************

Please welcome baby Askia into the world!! 10/16/10.

... There's certain age groups and sub-cultures who CONSTANTLY have to deal with the police abusing their authority ...

One Love

Selector Timothy
(aka halfthejob)


what spins:
papa trent: dub atomic particles (03/02/03, wncw-spindale)
bob marley & the wailers: rebel music
nas: the lost tapes
nas: illmatic
half pint: recollection
nas: food for thought - the illmatic II mixtape

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"
Raphael Saadiq - "Instant Vintage"

Peace

halfthejob

but i am not yet convinced that it is deserved of a cringe that a white person might want to throw up a fist at a dead prez show as a sign of unity regarding what is being put forth from the stage, even if that white person doesn't identify or completely agree with everything that is being put forth.

if they really hope for their revolution to take form and be affective, I agree that they should encourage the people's army to embrace all races

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"in the luv shack with a nug sack and my rug rats who keep naps under they skull caps. pass around a bottle of sambuca and a hookah, there's even times when i look into the future. blazin' DMT with GFE. now don't be surprised when you seein' me wi

I'm pretty damn sure that's not happening. Any white people tossin' cash at those racists need to turn their woofers off and listen to the damn lyrics. I don't care about anykind of skill they got, if they hate on white people, and talk about other artists only having white fans, then they're racists, and they don't get a damn dollar of mine, nor should they get a dollar from any other white person who feels singled out for appriciating great fuckin music.
-kevi

it was a preview of where there heads at though.... they just wanna get their message out. I wish they would tour with okayplayer though

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http://www.secretlifeofsound.com
http://www.grittygoat.com/radius
RADIUSHEAD.COM

that was in the complex magazine right. i dont think dp abuse mos&kweli by saying that they dont want to be in the same class of hip hop because no one likes to be label. dp is not in this to please white people and i understand that a 100 percent.the music is made by the people for the people.look what happen in the late 60's &early70's when white actors supported and gave money to the panthers.as soon as the party started to fade the white support dissapeared.dp is not a fad this is real. and this is more than a "hip hop" group.

the world is a toll-free toilet-george clinton

is 1) why they are holding Roots/Blackstar/etc accountable for their fan base. And 2) so they are distancing themselves from like-minded artists in favor of what?

What I think they need to realize about white fans of their music is that these are liberal minded people who in many ways feel the same way do about the corruption in the political system. And since there is no one else speaking on these issues as directly as they are then naturally these people are attracted to it. Why does having their support deflate DPz message? Don't see it, esp. since these same people are helping them eat.

BTW

>1) why they are holding Roots/Blackstar/etc accountable
>for their fan base.

don't play shit the people like.

If you would play the $hit that they like, the people will come

______________
stop the liberal nonsense and make things uncomfortable ~ OKP vex_id

We give them books because they can't eat them ~ my friend on US and Africa

Wish I could reposess my own dreams ~ Supastition

---------"Inevitably hiphop records are treated as though they are disposable. They are not maximized as product even or as art."

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anyways..

>---------"Inevitably hiphop records are treated as though
>they are disposable. They are not maximized as product even
>or as art."

"You're now in tune to sounds of the R to the double O to the T S-in..."

Is that the line that comes right after? Maybe I should have thought about it before posting...

Rev. Steve S. Jackson
revstevesjackson@verizon.net*|*steve.jackson@nbcuni.com

They are distancing themselves from these artist in favor of truth and integrity.

If you listened to them you wouldn't have to ask, why having support from surburban white audiences could deflate their message.

On helping them eat... Please muthafukas was eating good before they dropped a cd contrary to your ignorant beliefs, they don't need you or your support to eat.



"THA RAGE CALLED BLAKK"

blakkrage

...just because I always got the feeling that they probably don't like me too much...me being a white person and all.

I dunno...they always just sounded like militant racists to me.


"Men with purple hearts carry silver guns...and they will kill a man for what his father has done...but what my father did...you know it don't mean shit...I'm not him."
--Conor Oberst

"A man can rock pink if he wants to. In it's own way, it's revolutionary."
--Common

aim: cflartey

Beware The Illgaluminati.

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http://twitter.com/shamelessplug
http://instagram.com/charlesonly

I'm not exactly sure what dead prez is trying to do, they fashion themselves after Public Enemy, right? Even their shows have been mostly white audiences, historically. I've seen them in concert with the roots, talib, slum village, all them cats. I don't think they're flat out racist, they're just speaking out against "the man". I agree with some of their points, but a lot of the other points are questionable.

Please name them & lets build!

My only objection is that they use the
word nigger, That's the only thing I
disagree with, other than that...

They are the muthafuckin truth!!!

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

>My only objection is that they use the
>word nigger, That's the only thing I
>disagree with, other than that...

... Explain how using the word "nigger" is something wrong, but using "cracker" is alright? ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

Because your query is tantamount
to a highly under-developed socio-politico
historical & cultural world view.

There is no comparison nor parallel relevance
in what you have highlighted/referenced.

What are you currently studying? & what studies
have you conducted that lead you to this asinine
synopsis?

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

... I'm 26 years old. I have a master's degree in macro-social work practice. Macro refers to practice on a community or organizational level. This further refers to community organizing, advocacy, policy development, lobbying, and so on. I am also a certified substance abuse / alcoholism counselor / educator. Essentially, my life (outside of the home) revolves around advocacy work of many kinds and forms ...

... I would have to say that you're wrong about your assumption of my world-view and about the subject at hand. Both words have hateful and degrading connotations. Historically, both words have been used as a form of verbal oppression; most often when they're said, the intent is to cause harm. While it is OBVIOUS TO ALL that the word "nigger" is the more vicious of the two forms of verbal bigotry (because of the more extensive history of this word), both words express the same form of cultural, racial, and practical ignorance. And, I cannot see how an intelligent person could see one as being unacceptable, but the other as acceptable. Do the math ...

... That would make you 1/2 intelligent and culturally-competent, and 1/2 ignorant and culturally-defunct ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

re-read your retort for your
composition of contradiction(s).

& I appreciate your "clever"
attempt at composing an equation to
"illustrate" some form of intelligence...

however, it was merely a decoy/cosmopolitan
ploy of semantics that furthers leaves the
issue un-addressed.

How do you identify yourself?

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

>How do you identify yourself?

... Whenever I have to bubble-in one of those "ethnicity" titles, I bubble-in "other." That's how I identify ...

... If you want to take this issue further, though, we're going to end up getting into theology. There are some schools of belief that trace the origins of the physical manifestation of "me," and there are others who see the physical manifestation of "me" as being less than important. This school of belief does not see "me" and "this body" as being synonymous ...

... But, this is getting away from the issue. What we're talking about is the fact that you cannot be half-pregnant; you either are, or you're not. Similarly, you either live by the belief that one's skin color, ethnicity, or culture allow you to generalize intelligence, ability, or character qualities of that person, or you don't. Any logic you follow which says, "Well, you can generalize these things about these folks, and those things about those folk, but you can't generalize anything about my folk," is flawed ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

> ... I don't think they're flat out racist,
>they're just speaking out against "the man".

... They use a lot of racist language in their stuff. And, racism (or bigotry) is the product of ignorance, no matter who it is directed at ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

i agree fully. As a a puerto rican with light skin i just feel un comtherable as well because it seems they are speaking out agianst us. Whatever it is i still like them, just feel weird.

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"Look I never had a dream in my life becuase a dream is what you wanna do but still havent pursued. I knew what I wanted to do and I did it till it was done, so I have been the dream I wanted to be since day one." -Aesop

Your peoples own all the shit.


"THA RAGE CALLED BLAKK"

blakkrage

... when we're stuck on this "my people" and "your people" mentality ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

We definately won't until we(blakk people) have to stop explaining to white people why we rage the way we do about the situation at hand.The shit is obvious, it ain't pretty, nice or palatable for your bullshit political correctness. Political correctness was divised by the white liberal media in order to make themselves feel better about isms in general especially racism. What you white folks need to realize is that blakk folks don't need you in their movements to make them legitimate. We can and will rise and empower our people with or without your pseudo empathetic support.

"THA RAGE CALLED BLAKK"

blakkrage

... to come on here and pass judgement and make generalizations about folks you don't even know? For real ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

entitled or not?

rage has a point in that maybe his goal is not a utopian vision in which we work for equality. maybe his vision is one in which people of color take on more responsibility for themselves. which is very similar to the mentality of a group like dead prez. they believe that help from sympathetic or empathetic white people is not the answer to the black peoples troubles. they want to wake up their brethern to what it is they are participating in...to how they collude with their own marginaliation and exploitation. a bunch of white people liking the message is fine but that isn't who those cats are trying to change.

on another note, the DPz ain't perfect. they got a lot of hate and animosity and much too much is misdirected. But they wear their hearts and views on their sleeves even if it means losing some of thier audience. that is artistic integrity if i ever saw it. i am uncomfortable with their prejudices, anger, and super-socialists leanings (i believe in burkean change and if that leads to socialism so be it). but i can still enjoy their message and way of delivering it. and its easier to swallow than some of the crap that i have bobbed my head to in the past that was about nothing but bullshit escapism, consumerism, and insecurity.

h20
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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before and kept being amazed as it grew and changed and morphed stop wanting to be challenged...it will be the day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all as hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was really obsession and you held on so tight that you choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy wilson

h20
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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured

Where did ya'll read this?

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"Underground will live forever baby; We just like roaches, never diyin, always livin"

Those other artist do not have the
same level of political/"radical" stance
as they do. & they are right, Blacks need
to dominate Dead Prez shows, no whites!

They are speaking w/specificity to the Black
Diaspora & the Freedom of Black people!

Me & my comrades have a specific code
we abide by...
NO WHITE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US @ DEAD
PREZ SHOWS!!!

"Walk Like A Warrior" Release date - May 19th
On the bornday of Imam Omawale, El Hajj Malik Shabazz
The Immortal Minister Malcolm X!!!

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

>Those other artist do not have the
>same level of political/"radical" stance
>as they do. & they are right, Blacks need
>to dominate Dead Prez shows, no whites!
>
>They are speaking w/specificity to the Black
>Diaspora & the Freedom of Black people!
>
>Me & my comrades have a specific code
>we abide by...
>NO WHITE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US @ DEAD
>PREZ SHOWS!!!
>
>"Walk Like A Warrior" Release date - May 19th
>On the bornday of Imam Omawale, El Hajj Malik Shabazz
>The Immortal Minister Malcolm X!!!




thank you for telling it like it is!!!!! like i said before the music is made by the people for the people& nothings wrong with dp if they make their music for us.good post.

the world is a toll-free toilet-george clinton

... then they can go ahead and give their performance to the 20 Black-folks who actually bought their disc ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

Thank you. Some white folks will respect that and step the fuck aside but others want to agitate and press the issue they got beef because these blakk men ain't dancing and singing for their sole purpose.

up blakk!

"THA RAGE CALLED BLAKK"

blakkrage

because it would just be impossible for them to understand or appreciate what dp might be talking about.

... that life is just easy for White-folk? Are you really that naive? ...

One Love

halfthejob timothy
(aka timo one)


what spins:
spearhead: home
raphael saadiq: instant vintage
the flying preacher: dub atomic particles (8/04/02, wncw-spindale)

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
Little Brother - "The Listening"
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"

Peace

halfthejob

Is it okay for mixed race folks, hispanics, native americans, etc to stand up front at a DP show? How can you be sure of someone's race in all circumstances?

"Another point in life you should not miss, do not be a fool who's prejudiced, because we're all written down on the same list...."

its a RBG = Real Black Girl (I would prefer
Woman, but Woman doesn't start w/G)

not no Real Black Groupies either (lol)

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

>not no Real Black Groupies either (lol)

LMAO!

d0pEst~Ethi0piAn
"Ethiopians, we run Ust Bitch"

"Dont quote me....ur beneath" -P0rkface

"This coming from mS.....the Ro0ts are going to be pErforming on an icEberg in Antarctica"- mR twiSty

"Hey, we can just read and eat some tofu on my tourbus.

"Fitness Facilitates The Platform That Provides Peak Performance in Life." © Brendan Brazier

those who agree with you? it really weakens the reader's confidence in what you are saying when you need to ally yourself to those who seem to agree rather than having your belief and sticking to it in spite of who else parrots a similar view.

BTW, as a black man, I have to say that you don't speak for all black men, or all intelligent black men, or all self-aware black men or all conscientious black men. not that you said that literally, but your arguments imply that you are part of some vanguard. you are not. and the quicker you start thinking for yourself and realizing that rhetoric is meaningless to a self-determined human being you may start having more compelling dialogues instead. i sure hope the white people who you come into contact with don't get fooled into believing that those of us who reject mainstream values all end up embracing some dogmatic belief system that makes us feel important relative to someone else's unimportance.

from the 95 who supposedly have no clue...peace and earned wisdom,

h20
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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before and kept being amazed as it grew and changed and morphed stop wanting to be challenged...it will be the day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all as hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was really obsession and you held on so tight that you choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy wilson

h20
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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured

I mean really...
You're rambling w/no centralized
concept, theme & focus.

Please show me where I said I speak for
all BlackMen. What is it w/that statement
in reference to pleasing the slave-master...
something about you sure hope that all whites do
or whites that I come in contact w/don't think
one way about Blacks blah blah blah?

What did I say that you disagree with?
Please point it out "BlackMan" & lets
intelligently engage in a relevant
discourse dealing w/facts, w/out you
making judgements
of what I said based on YOUR perception/opinion.

& do you wanna clarify that 95 of others
blah blah blah statement & its relevance,
or is it just a part of you sig?

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... and all in all, his comments and insights on this post have made a lot more sense than yours. You seem to be coming with someone else's philosophy or understandings -- maybe you've read a couple books or seen a few documentaries -- and you're able to regurgitate whatever it was that you saw or heard someone else say. But, this Brother's posts come across like he's sharing HIS truth -- not an ADOPTED truth, but one he's actually realized. So, quit f@ckin with him; he makes plenty of sense ...

One Love

Selector Timothy
(aka halfthejob)


what spins:
ras christopher liontree: dub atomic particles (03/09/03, wncw-spindale)
burning spear: burnin dub vol. 1
buju banton: friends for life
burning spear: 100th anniversary

My Favorite Releases of 2003:
Easy Star All-Stars - "Dub Side of the Moon"
Little Brother - "The Listening"

My Favorite Releases of 2002:
DJ Jazzy Jeff - "The Magnificent"
The Roots - "Phrenology"
Life & Debt - "O.S.T."
John Forte - "I, John"
J-Live - "All Of The Above"
Nas - "The Lost Tapes"
KRS-One - "The Prophets vs. Profits Mixtape"
Prince - "One Night Alone ... Live!"
Common - "Electric Circus"
Dead Prez - "Turn Off The Radio, The Mixtape Volume 1"
Raphael Saadiq - "Instant Vintage"

Peace

halfthejob

first of all, I was not
speaking to you. You did not
make the statement(s) that needed
clarification & if even still, you DID NOT
clarify what was needed to be clarified.

So once again, wtf r u talking about?

What is this adopted shit vs. HIS shit?
Makes no fuckin sense, gather your thoughts
& articulate concisely/coherently. If you have
a specific grudge or disagreement w/something
I said, POINT IT OUT, allow me to clarify & if
we agree or disagree so be it. Nevermind all that
other bullshit of who read what & regurgitated blah
blah blah, I'm un-affected by those comments for I know
who I am & I'm not "other," follow?

Your moniker fits you well, lol

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how little you seem to comprehend what it is others are trying to communicate with you. it seems your most common refrain when someone disagrees with you is to try to invalidate everything that has been said by asking for more cogent responses. for the record, i think it is a waste of time but allow me to be as cleare and logical as possible:

the reason why i responded to you is because i did not feel you were aware of your transparence. few people who are reading your commentary are impressed or really find what you have to say insightful. most see you for what you really are and that is a person who hides behind rhetoric and a group identity rather than putting forth your own thinking, not propaganda for the group you get your identity from.

your style of writing is not intellectual or intelligent. it is convoluted with terminology that you don't seem to have a grasp of (or are too eager to use and so you end up wasting five dollar words on 2 bit thoughts.) yet you ask others to speak to you with clarity and directness. that is call hypocrisy.

secondly, you seem to be interested in putting forth your socio-political views, than really having discussions with the individuals who sek to debate with you. now there is nothing wrong with being passionate about one's beliefs, but there is a something called prudence. one has to realize who they are speaking to and adapt their language to that group. now you can probably retort that you care nothing about the audience and only speak the truth, but just as a father is careful with a small child with delicate issues of truth, so should a savant such as yourself be careful when exposing the masses to what you seem to think of as earth shattering revelations. in other words, someone who identifies himself as intelligent should use that intelligence to tailor his words to his audience.

really brother, i know time is going to humble you but it might be nice to just keep you mouth quiet a little more often until that day. just trust in an "older god" telling you that you need to keep a lid on it a little more, because trust that you are going to feel foolish one day when you realize you were just half parrot (repeating a bunch of rhetoric without any judgment of its applicability or nuance) and half peacock (strutting around, flashing your plummage in an attempt to attract some attention).

but you probably will dismiss all this as straight nonsense...so I won't comment anymore. plus i could be completely wrong about you and maybe I am groveling at the feet of someone who is more mentally and emotionally evolved than myself. but maybe this message will stay tucked away in the back of your subconscious and help you one day. if it does...you are welcome.

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before and kept being amazed as it grew and changed and morphed stop wanting to be challenged...it will be the day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all as hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was really obsession and you held on so tight that you choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy wilson

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured

You're responses are inundated
w/lack of focus & concise points.

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value of people who write for public consumption and need to maintain reader interest. you on the other hand beg others for more completeness and detail in others' commentary and then turn around and ask for conciseness when you get the very completeness you recently asked for. you are vacillating back and forth like a fool. no one is buying it my brother. and although focus helps one to communicate a central theme, it is also not required to make clear relevant points. in other words, you just don't know how to discuss what is at hand and instead try to pretend like what has been put forth is beneath you. stop embarassing yourself. no one is buying it.

the following quotes are being pulled from your responses to this topic:

"They have no questionable points! Please name them & lets build!"

"What "ethnicity" are you & what's your age? Because your query is tantamount to a highly under-developed socio-politico
historical & cultural world view.There is no comparison nor parallel relevance in what you have highlighted/referenced.
What are you currently studying? & what studies have you conducted that lead you to this asinine synopsis?"

"re-read your retort for your composition of contradiction(s).
& I appreciate your "clever" attempt at composing an equation to
"illustrate" some form of intelligence...however, it was merely a decoy/cosmopolitan ploy of semantics that furthers leaves the
issue un-addressed."

"I mean really...You're rambling w/no centralized concept, theme & focus."

"You did not make the statement(s) that needed clarification & if even still, you DID NOT clarify what was needed to be clarified. So once again, wtf r u talking about?"

"You're responses are inundated w/lack of focus & concise points."

you see intelligently95, this is the majority of how you discuss things. you put fourth your own rhetoric and refuse to discuss anything that someone says in rebuttal. much of your rhetoric is just embarassingly simple-minded and reeks of an inferiority complex. and then you speak of you and your comrades. who cares if you have five or five thousand other people screwed up just like you who follow the same illogical rules that you follow? stand on your own two feet and discuss what you believe and be prepared to defend it instead of all these other logical fallacies. have you ever heard of "ad misericordia", "argumenta ad hominem", "ad ignorantia", and "ad populem". these are four of the classic types of false logic and you employ them well. you present yourself as an educated man so perhaps you would like to discuss something with clarity and conciseness without using these crutches that prove nothing but the fact that you are more concerned with perpetuating an agenda then having a sincere discussion.

and maybe the real reason you don't follow me is because you just don't have the gobs of raw intellect you claim to have. i will cite and example of why a person who claims to be intelligent should be able to piece together the 'ramblings" of those of inferior intellect: a small child communicates with his parents although he has yet to develop a large vocabulary or correct grammar and sentence construction. the experienced adult pieces together what the child is trying to say...in spite of the child's limited ability to express itself. similarly the parent expresses himself back to the child in simple terms until the child comprehends...

but in this discussion who is having a hard time comprehending? in other words who has taken on the role of small child who is unaware of his lack of sophistication and who needs constant re-explanation to understand what is being discussed.

i don't know why i am even responded except there seems to be an ounce of intelligence in you that I am trying to appeal to. what is the matter man? are you scared you won't be special if you cannot assert yourself as the most clear thinking insightful person around? man this is a community. why don't you join it and stop using this website as a means to feel self-important. i cannot let it continue to go on without addressing you and at least asking you to stop it.

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before and kept being amazed as it grew and changed and morphed stop wanting to be challenged...it will be the day we make a bunch of unbreakable rules and accept it all as hip hop cannon, and the next musical form will have to born of a rebellion against all you reactionaries who wouldn't let it grow and change because your "love" was really obsession and you held on so tight that you choked her. it will be the day that young kids don't want to hear about hip hop anymore because they still listen with their hearts...in reality hip hop won't really be dead anyway, she will just have to undergo another name change like she always has...word to miles and dizzy. - kacy wilson

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if hip hop ever dies...it will be the day that all of us who fell in love with a new sound that was like nothing we ever heard before stop wanting to be challenged. the day those of us who nurtured

WORD UP!

"Its bigger than Hip Hop"

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>Blacks need
to dominate Dead Prez shows, no whites!

that is just fucking whack. if someone ( a non black person) said the exact same thing about black people or any other race people would be up in fuckin arms. i liked a couple of dp's tracks but their beats suck pretty much and there rhymes are kinda shitty as well, nothing impressive. that shit is straight up racist. just because it is a black group doesn't make that shit alright there is no double fucking standard. fuck that militant shit anyway.
what the fuck is the point anyway, seems like it is a step backwards.

the thing that doesnt make sense to me is how they seem anti white on record and are constantly making comments like they did in that interview but then when i did an interview with m1 he was one of the nicest people i have ever met to me and im white. he also told me about how much he appreciated people like me and how educating and involving white people is an important part of getting free. i think that most of the time it is stic.man who brings most of the anti white sentiments, but i dont really know. thats just my take on it, and if anyone wants to hear that interview just let me know.
-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

I'd like to hear it and who'd you do it for?


Peace. Lets Build.

www.newwinegroup.com

Peace. Lets Build.

http://hass.blogs.com/

inbox me or im me and ill get it to you
-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

make sense to me either!

Aren't you the cat that was in conjunction
w/running www.deadprez.net

Do you dig Dead Prez, & if so, for what reason?

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i wasnt the one who did deadprez.net that was a different jake. i like DP because i enjoy their music, i think it is well done for the most part and that despite all of the stupid shit they say there is a really good message there, i just try to block out all of the anti white comments, i also used to have a problem with their use of "cracker" i thought it was the equivilent of me calling one of the the N word. m1 explained to me that they use the word as a reference to all of the racist, war hungry, extremist whites not referring to white people as a whole. although i still dont really like the word that makes alot of the problem go away for me. basically i like them for their music and for the fact that m1 was a totally down to earth and intelligent person and treated me with as much respect as i have for him, i just try to ignore all the bullshit.
-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

How can you ignore the "bullshit"
but still like them? That's dichotomous
Hitler was fuckin
intelligent, that doesn't mean I respect
nor should I ignore the "bullshit" in order
to rationalize the psychopathological neurotic
behavioural pattern(s) of liking someone who
speaks spoke or acts out against my people.

Especially when the person(s) are not
speaking to the benefit/advancement of my
situation.

Follow?

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i guess youve found out my secret not only do i as a white person enjoy dead prez(mostly m1 based on meeting and talking to him, but i guess his niceness was part of his black nazi plot to mass murder me and other whites, im a little less fond of sticman). but i also as a jewish person was in favor of the holocaust because hitler was a smart guy. well hopefully this wont get out to any of my white and/or jewish friends or relatives because that might get messy. well you can think im a racist or that i love hitler or whatever you want but ill take dead prez's extremist music over most of the crap out there on any day
-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

-peace


I met this girl, when I was ten years old
And what I loved most she had so much soul...

I ain't mad at ya. Just keep on funkin'
Your vibe is cool. Don't get suckered by this
"It's for blacks only" b/s. It's called cultural exchange. That's why we have Black History month.

shut the fuck up

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peace & love

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peace & love