answer me this oh hip hop nation of mine.

what is the average length of a hip hop show.

from cats you "respect"
cats you hate
cats who are mega commercial
cats who are ultra underground.

i know im not crazy. but i think mofo'n german cats was trying to take my head off tonight.

the reason?

we did a 90 minute show.

i know we vary the infamous rza show in nyc that clocked 4 hours. to the gagalicious 25 minute days of smokin grooves.

tonight--we did a boo boo. we traveled to europe on the same day we perform (sleep and traveling does not mean sleep)--and there are some complications with a certain beat boxer and a percussionist and their passports. but i felt like we gave 200 percent.

all i know is cheers turned into encores turned into boos turned into near riot which turned into autograph-cum-if you dontgetthefuckouttamyfacewiththat90minsislameshit....

so i need to know the standard.

average show of say...a PE (respected hip hop group), a nelly (commercial new cat with 2 records), a def jux or blackalicious (underground respect), gang starr (group with more than 5 albums), de la (group with classics)

matter of fact--include singers too. does anyone in black music even give a 2 hour show? i think last show i went to that i had nothing to do with was......janet?

school me.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

Sade.On her last tour,she was on stage bout 2hrs.Does she count as R/B?

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went to a dmx concert (in Omaha) earlier this summer...about 8 local opening groups which took about hr and a half and he was on stage for 40-45 mins doing two verses of songs and stuff..so dont feel bad..camp lo had one here too where they did 5 songs, no opener or nothing

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A 90 minute joint isnt that much....i mean if i went to a show with the Roots as headliners i would expect an hour to 90 minutes.

when yous were at the Electric Factory a couple months ago in philly, a bunch of my friends said u played an insane amount of songs. and that was a positive thing.

So you give it your all and u think u did good.


maybe it wasnt good enough.

people on here say how u guys do the same show a bunch of times straight.


maybe change up the formula, add more unexpected shit to it??


i dunno. maybe it was just the crowd...shit like that happens.

Even if 90 for you guys was "short", I know you guys rocked the hell outta 90.

The only way 90 could be riot-inducing is if they were forced to listen to 50 Cent mumble & have hype men finish 3/4s of every line for 90 minutes.

...what did they want blood?

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90 minutes is too short for yous..

I saw you in Asbury and that's what we got.. I saw you at the Electric Factory a couple of months ago and you played for 4 hours..

Mobb Deep played for 30 minutes at Family Values... That was a shit show.

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>90 minutes is too short for yous..
>
>I saw you in Asbury and that's what we got..

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I saw you at
>the Electric Factory a couple of months ago and you played
>for 4 hours..
>
>Mobb Deep played for 30 minutes at Family Values... That
>was a shit show.

>from cats you "respect"

I've caught De La and ATCQ not @ the same show but each of these groups rocked it damn near two hours the last time I saw them perform (granted the ATCQ show was in 97 but from what I remember it was close to a two hour set, they played all the hits!!)- I also had a chance to catch Blackalicious and J5 last year and J5 headlined and played for 2 hours (censing a pattern hear yet?) That was a sick show! - Yo, I just had a chance to catch you cats @ RIT and you held it down there as well (I think that was close to a two hour show when all was said and the last rhyme was spit) by the way nice RIT hoodie @ the show!

>cats you hate

On the live tip I can't really say...It's not like Imma spend money on that ish...

>cats who are ultra underground.

I caught Asheru and Blue Black of the Unspoken Heard last year in Boston and they were rocking shit for close to two hours (really that's the norm)

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This is hard to really gauge because a good show seems like it last only a half hour when it really was 90+minutes.

I saw Blackalicious and De La Soul play at a private party at the Mountain Dew party during Global X Games weekend. I think 'licious went on about 11pm I want to say. I think they played for about an hour then it was about 20-30 minutes between groups and then De La came on and rocked it till 2am. De La has a big catalog. Damn that was a good show.

It is all relative. The Roots are in a world of thier own. Since I moved to Austin 3.5 years ago I have seen every Roots performance. I want to say maybe about 5 shows. My favorite part of the show is after guys leave the stage for bit. Most groups come out and do thier hit then and leave. You guys seem to do another show. I will never forget the first Roots show I saw in Austin. At the end of the show Scratch was beat boxing and all you guys were on the front of the stage and the thousands there were singing tv theme songs.

Damn, well I tried to answer this but it is not an easy question. In the end I feel if I spend $30 on a ticket then I want 3 hours of entertainment. If that is 2 opening acts at 45 minutes and a headline show of 90 minutes. I am cool. If it is the headliner only and no opening act, you better pretend you are Parliement Funkadelic and be prepared to stay awhile. If it is an okayplayer show, then 6 acts at 20 minutes and headliners do about an hour.


>from cats you "respect"
>cats you hate
>cats who are mega commercial
>cats who are ultra underground.
>average show of say...a PE (respected hip hop group), a
>nelly (commercial new cat with 2 records), a def jux or
>blackalicious (underground respect), gang starr (group with
>more than 5 albums), de la (group with classics)
>
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I have to admit when I first saw the thread I thought ?west was going to drumming for the Morris Day and the Time album. One can only wish.


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I was just thinkin' how dope that would be...c'mon quest you know u wannaa!

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"I will never forget the first Roots show I saw in Austin. At the end of the show Scratch was beat boxing and all you guys were on the front of the stage and the thousands there were singing tv theme songs."
When was this. Thats tight.

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This was in 2000.
Another great moment is The Roots in Austin is the show where they came down to play one show at the University of Texas in a gym. After they played all the Roots hits they finished with you Got Me. Then ?west goes into a drum solo. When I say he went into a drum solo, that guy was solo. There was no one else on stage. I want to say it was like 10 minutes with him out there alone drumming. It was amazing.
I know this sounds stupid but every Roots show I have seen has been the same but different.
I would have to say my least favorite Roots performance I have seen was the Okayplayer tour. I am talking about just the Roots set cause they backed up almost everyone the whole night if my memory serves me right. I might be wrong. Damn weed.
Wait, seeing Guru and Black Thought trading rhymes on DWYCK was the greatest moment. I would give anything to have a recording of that one jam.

>"I will never forget the first Roots show I saw in Austin.
>At the end of the show Scratch was beat boxing and all you
>guys were on the front of the stage and the thousands there
>were singing tv theme songs."
>When was this. Thats tight.


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That show at Gregory Gym was excellent. It was cool cause i graduated in that gym months earlier. Ben's solos were tight that night as well.

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The Stooges - Fun House
The White Stripes - Elephant
Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

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The length and song selection were fantastic at that show, but the sound in there was god awful.

And it lasted like 2.5 hrs, didn't it?

The Stubbs show this past spring was pretty tight too. Skillz and Cody definitely added to the mix.

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i suggest all "fans" save their money

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and telling yourself how great you are

40-45 min show...
for $40 bucks @ the 9:30 club...
...therefore 90 mins..they their money's worth.

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Ok, since not many people are answering all your questions..I'll TRY to.....

Mega-superstars: I just saw Eminem, 50 Cent, D12, and Obice Trice all play together here in Tokyo last month, and since it was a posse show where they went back and forth between just 50 doin' his shit, to marshall, to group, that show rocked well into 3 hour territory.....When I saw the Beasties (who have classics) on the OPENING night of their Hello Nasty tour, they rocked 29 songs, over 2 hours, including instrumentals, and that was AFTER a 1 hour+ set by Tribe! So, perhaps it's safe to say if you makin' bank, you givin' love?

Underground respect: I saw Blackalicious with J5 at RIT last year, and Black was up for 50, J5 for 1.5 or so...So that seems like your level in Germany, no?

The Roots: Hey, I was willin' to pay 75 bucks (YEAH, 75 F@$%*@%ing bucks!) to see you guys play The Blue Note in Osaka, and since you were doing 2 shows a night, which is freakin' sick, you did only 70 minute shows each.....and that was enough to feel your vibe....So you're cool on that front.....Remember, you're OK, so the cats here are a bit hardcore, no? And for the record, no other cats could rock 2 shows a night in a foreign country, so you're exempt anyway....

Groups w/ hits, and nothing else: Saw Stone Temple Pilots when they came to Cornell last year, and they played NOTHING but the hits, and that show was 2.5 hours....and they even went acoustic, which was sick!

What else....Oh, Bitchass popular bands out for the loot: Saw Dashboard Confessional before they went on some Beck support tour shit, and they played for, cough, 50 minutes.....yeah, I think it's safe to say that under an hour just ain't a show.....cuz they out for the loot only....

Newly huge bands: Seen Incubus (sans Ben, obviously) twice, once right after Sept. 11, first show in NYC post trauma, and they rocked Hammerstein for 2+....then saw them on their first huge arena tour, the Morning View tour, and there they played 2.5!

The verdict: Fuck the germans. They're just bitter y'all can't rock it there EVERY month or something. Either that, or they just figured out that they didn't actually win the World Cup. Either way, eff it....

The solution: Just rock it at the Sprite Liquid Mix, and all sins are forgiven my son...You guys are the best live band out, you know it, we know it, and you got the votes over at rollingstone.com to prove it! Oh, and BTW, why don't you guys EVER pass the popcorn?

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>Beasties (who have classics) on the OPENING night of their
>Hello Nasty tour, they rocked 29 songs, over 2 hours,
>including instrumentals, and that was AFTER a 1 hour+ set by
>Tribe! So, perhaps it's safe to say if you makin' bank, you
>givin' love?


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If a group of the Roots calibur is fresh and off a night of sleep then they should be able to match the time alloted to their category.

Non-North American performance time (Europe, Asia, Africa, S. America etc..): 2-4 hours
Rationale: People who don't live in N. America don't have the luxury of going to multiple tour dates, shows at clubs, or shows at large venues on the same frequency as we have here in N. America. Therefore they should be given some more leeway in perfomance time.

North American performance time: 100mins to 2 hours
Rationale: Since there is usually an "undercard" of performers, this is ample time for those who really came to see (Name of Band /Artist here) and get their money's worth. Kweli and Common came to Toronto a few months ago and put on a good show, but some people complained that Kweli's set was too short. If two artists are headlining they should have the same amount of time. If the show starts late, he/she/the group must start immediately.

Commercial Cats: 1-1.5 hours
Rationale: If they just came out w/ two albums in the last few years then they should be able to fill that time w/ the best songs off those two albums. Someone like clipse, eve or 50 can stay on that long w/o problems. Most of the time there's just a dj in the back spinnin so you wouldn't want to watch that scene for longer than 2 hours. Suggestions to these artists: KILL OFF ALL THE HYPE MEN PLEASE, YOU DIDN'T RECORD THE MUSIC W/ EM SO WHY BOTHER HAVING THEM ON THE STAGE? BEANIE SEIGEL DOES NOT NEED 6 MANS ON THE STAGE YELLIN OUT THE WORDS TO ALL HIS LYRICS.

Commercial R&B Artists: 1 hour - 90 min
Rationale: People that came out in the last year don't really need to stay up that long being that the artist only has 4-6 songs that may strike the audience as recognizable. Most people who show up for artists like Amerie, Lil' Mo, Ashanti etc...actually bought the cds and they can appreciate most of what's being performed.

Soul Artists of the past 10 years: 2-3 hours
People like badu, Jill Scott, etc... enjoy performing (most likely) and have enough songs to stay on the stage for that amount of time. Plus, they usually cover other people's music anyway.

Underground artists: 1-90 mins
Rationale: see N. American performances

Classic Hiphop artists: At least 1.5 - 2 hours
Rationale: They could probably stay up longer (De la, Gangstarr, Common) but quantity doesn't always mean quality. This category requires good song sequencing to keep a show going for 2 hours. And most of the time they pull it off.

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You guys did about an hour at the apollo a couple weeks back and it was mostly hits, so I was really feelin it. I haven't been to an official roots show, and I figure those go on for 90 - 120 min. They got their moneys worth.

Besides, I would assume popular opinion is the Roots can fill an hour to 2 hours on stage with no let down or lull in the show better than most commercial acts. LIke someone said earlier, there is only so much hype men and the not finishing of your own lyrics "cuz-I'm-out-of-breadth-so-let-my-boy-spit-the-end-of-my lines" a crowd can take before it becomes mind numbing. Shit, I'm rambling.....

why people would go that nuts just cuz someone played a 90 minute show. i personally wouldn't complain over that, but even if someone thought it was short, it's definitely not an outrage. maybe if you played a 10 minute show they'd get mad, but 90 minutes would be no deep shock to me.

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People booing at 90 minutes? That's lame.

And I do NOT believe that J5 played for two hours . I mean that the Ep+The First album + Most of the second album. And people saying that the beasties did 29 songs? i mean the Ramones did 29 songs in 29 minutes. I've seen the Dead Milkmen do 50 songs in 13 minutes. And They Might Be Giants did 50 songs in 50 seconds one time, but I digress.

90 minutes is a respectable time, but you have to have an opener that does 30 or so. So the show seems like it goes on for 3 hours.

I've seen Roots shows that last damn near 4 hours (HOB in LA in 98) and some that lasted30 minutes (Opening for Badu in San Diego in 97) and I like both just fine.

I see the format as follows;
50 minutes: Just the hits
90 minutes Hits, Small Solo section, scratch ending
150 minutes: Hits, Misses, full solos, hip-Hop 101, Full Scratch ending w/ pantomime from all members of Roots plus an encore.
240 Minutes: Okayplayer tour 2004

90 minutes is very repectable for on-stage time.

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90 minutes seems average.

but how much were tickets. if it was a higher price than usual, maybe 90 min is a little short

"Time is just memory mixed with desire" - Tom Waits

"Silence is the loudest parting word..you never say" -Ben Harper

honestly,I've been to a lot of roots shows and they seem to be the same show as of late

I have some suggestions but I'm scared of you

show's should last at least 90 mins.

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I think an hour and a half is about rite.

Maybe 90 minutes is shorter with the metric conversion and all

I was a bit disapointed, even tho I knew you wouldn't, that @ the recent Apollo show you guys didn't do a full set, but then again I didn't time it, so maybe that was close to 90 mins? If so I guess i feel em then.

Did you cover the theme to "Hogan's Heroes" for em??

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Who cares about those folks? How they gonna boo you like that? It's not like they probably haven't enjoyed your music for hella days. LEAST they could do is respect what you guys are doin and appreciate you goin all the way to fuckin Germany for em.

But I don't care... I saw you guys play in Davis for daaaaaaays. I don't even know how long that shit went... So long I damn near passed out soon as I got home that night. That was a sad and then bomb night (Jay got shot that evenin).

1st of 2 sold out shows at the house of blues chicago.

25 minutes.

hell, LL got 6 g's for 20 minutes in '86. i think 50 got 50...

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90 mins is fine, i don't expect much more than that from anyone....

...so 4 hour RZA show in NYC? anyone have that on tape?

I would be satisfied with 90 minutes

On another note, I saw KRS in Boston a few months back and this cat kept rocking on stage until the club/venue had to force him to leave the stage(and he still had the place jumping)
They shut the power off on him because he went so long
Illest performance I ever saw

But 90 minutes is enough
Anything that is the duration of a movie is usually enough

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Well, screw the German fools! I'm from Amsterdam and last time you guys came here you played for about 2 hours and I thought that was really long!!!
Most of the artists only play for about 1 or 1 1/2 hours over here (except Common, De La, Erykah Badu & Macy Gray -> All about 2 hours) ...

... and you recorded some tracks for "roots come alive" you did about 3 to 4 hours. And that was a "HELL YEAH"!

But everyone knows one can't do that every night. So:

Everything less than 90 min (as a main act) is lousy for the roots! 90 minutes is very acceptable if the crowd is average. If your audience is great they deserve more, but i don't have to tell you. If every show on your tour lasted 90min it would be again disappointing.

>PE (respected hip hop group):
does that mean you ain't respected?? --> the same as for you.

>a nelly (commercial new cat with 2 records):
are you going to drum in nelly's band? --> should do 90min but usually have only 70 (more because of being commercial than of being a new cat. You call him a cat? interesting, that forces me to listen to his album.

>, a def jux or blackalicious (underground respect):
when i saw blackalicious, they were opener for mos def but still gave a 70min concert. but as a main act it would be the same as for you.

>, gang starr (group with more than 5 albums):
there is no damn difference!!!

>, de la (group with classics)
where again is the difference from you?


>matter of fact--include singers too. does anyone in black
>music even give a 2 hour show? i think last show i went to
>that i had nothing to do with was......janet?

yes some do. but most have shows between 1,5 to 2 h.

But the price-argument is very relevant. but i don't think you have an influence on your ticket prices. Do you? that would be an interesting question! Have you ever said: "We don't play here if they have to pay more than 40$!" ????

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90 minutes is no reason to complain at all. Unless the show sucked (which I doubt).

Matter of fact, I even made sure I had a seat during your last show in Brussels (which was approx. 120 minutes I think), cos standing for 2 hours after a long working day is too much for this 30 year old's back LOL. So I'd appreciate a shorter show every now and then, so I can stand in the front and act wild like in the early days when you played the clubs in Brussels.

I've seen you do a 60 minute show years ago (first Belgian show, outdoor in Brussels), AND the long shows in Amsterdam (over 2 hours).

To me the length of the show has never been a criterium, the vibe, the song you play and the way you do 'm matters much more.

Those people probably would've boo-ed if you did a 120 minute show too. Sounds like a bunch of ungrateful bastards, thinking they can dictate what to play and for how long just cos they bought a ticket.





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Rachelle Ferrell - 2+ hours
Frank McComb - 2 hours 30 mins
Me'Shell Ndeg�Ocello - 2 hours

Those the ones that I remember most.

?uest, i think 90 mins is ok, compares pretty well with other performances in my opinion, although i reckon i would be left maybe wanting more (depends on the energy and quality of the show). anyway, here's how you compare with a few others: (bear in mind that the club in bristol that most of the hip-hop goes on in imposes some kind of curfew, cos they allow anyone 14+ in, and this resulted in P.E. being thrown off stage one time)

Public Enemy: just over 2 hours
Jurassic 5: 1.5 hours
The Roots: 2 hours
Common: 2 hours

others i've seen (ozomatli, dilated...) have been at festivals, so i don't think that counts. by the way, on the north sea jazz festival website www.northseajazz.nl it says that you got an hour slot, but you are playing last on friday night, so you gonna rock it a little longer?

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most of the shows i've seen range from 90 min - 2hr range, anything over that is kinda testing the audience's attention span imo

UNLESS y'r from the states i would say so,but if The Roots came to South Africa and did 90min,motherfuckers would boo,hell they see you once in 5 yrs(maybe) and have been anticipating shhet for like 6mths!!!

so when touring overseas i think y'all need to play longer,'cuz it's mostly twice in a lifetime opportunity for many to see y'all.




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1.Neo Muyanga - The Listening Room
2.India Arie - Voyage To India
3.Jamiroquai - Funk Odyssey
4.BEP - Bridging The Gap
5.VA - Good Feelings Jazz Vol1
6.Erykah Badu - Mama's Gun
7.Madlib - Shades of Blue
8.Aesop Rock - Labour Days

Albums Currently on Rotation:

1.Tumi & The Volume - Live at the Bassline
2.Roots Manuva - Brand New Second Hand
3.Jamiroquai - Return of the Spacecowboy
4.Will I am - Lost Change
5.Brand New Heavies - Best Of
6.Omar - For Pleasure
7.Prefuse 73 -

i ever seen ..

common-2 hours

wu tang 2.5 hours

?

seen de la 6-7 times.
seen em do 2 hour shows. seen em this may and they do 45 minutes?!?!????!?

nore = 20 minute show. 5 albums n 20 minutes.
nas = 30 minute show. a man with like 7 albums worth of stuff does a 30 minute show? peep this review of his show in chicago.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/music/cst-ftr-nas16.html

my belief is that a group with 5 albums or more should rock over 2 hours.

underground cat with his own show? 1 hour atleast. underground cat opening for someone? 20 minutes.

mid level artists 30-45 minutes.

In Cleveland:

PE: more than 2 hours na dit was phenom!!!
De La: Bout 2 hours and they rock HARD the whole 2 plus
Comm: bout 1 and a half. After 1 hour he bounces to come back for his oncore
Big Daddy Kane: bout an hour
Jungle Brothers: bout an hour and a half - intense
Jurassic 5: bout 1 hour and a half - with madd Dj antics interwoven between songs.

Singers:

Julie Dexter: bout and hour...came back for an oncore after 45 minutes and did like 2 - 3 more songs (www.juliedexter.com)
Conya Doss: bout 45 minutes to an hour no oncore


So ?uest I think yall should be able to do things like PE. So yall should be on deck for at least 2 hours...maybe more. Yall got madd material and I think yall can do it without any guest (Jag, Cody, Jill, Musiq).

One thing Ive noticed is that if yall rock HARD....the people dont want you to leave too soon.

***Ive never been forced at gun point to deal with catts like Nelly or 50 cent...so I cant comment on that.

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Well.. I've seen the roots here in the D almost 10 times... and I've seen them do a range of shows from 45min to 3 hrs in length. A 90 min. show is a decent amount of time. It certainly doesn't warrant foks rioting over the time. But I would understand them doing that if you did the 45 min set. I I know I was very pissed when I saw that. The roots just can't do 45 min. sets. It should be outlawed!!

- When DeLa comes to town they always do 90 min- 2hr sets. Nothing less than stellar performances. Whenever common comes into town he always does about 90 min. also.
- I don't go to many underground shows so I can't comment.

- I expect a commercial cat like Nelly to do about 45 minutes. Especially since he's usually on tour with about 5 other acts ( see Detroit Music Festival) Now... when Janet comes to town I know I'm going to get at least 2 hours because she's the headliner.

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Okay 90 minutes is just about right for a hip hop show. You have to keep in mind that a lot of these large scale events have scene, wardrobe changes, etc which eat up minutes. My feeling is that the Roots could go on for 3 hours and it would not get stale. However, for a band that is pretty much on the road year round that length of time is just not reasonable to expect. I could only feel that the reason they booed is because they don't get the opportunity to see the Roots that much and wanted as much as possible to fill the void. But I still don't think that's a justifiable reason to boo. I mean the Roots didn't come down to NC on this most recent tour *scowl* but it's not like I'm going to be an a$$ and boo them if they're only on stage for 90 minutes or even 60 minutes. People need to learn to appreciate the fact that the Roots come to their area and the time that they do have rather than bitch and moan because they don't get a 3 hour extravaganza. That's just not who the Roots are and I would believe that true fans of the Roots understand that. Now with that said, what do we have to do to get the Roots back down here in NC???

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I think it matters on if your are the headliner or not. If you are the headliner I would consider 90 minutes a standard if you have at least 2-3 albums. 45 Minutes if you are a "mega-rapper" with only 1 album but headlining. Which means you had some "meaty" undercards to satisfy the crowd.

The crowd has alot to do with it too. If it's just "one of them shows" where all the stars are aligned. I wouldn't be madd if you went 2 hours. After that a nigga like me ready to go to bed..LOL. I can't party like that no mo'.

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to boo for a 90-min show. Were the tickets really expensive? What'd y'all have as far as an opening act and how long did they go?

I dunno, Jurassic 5 struck me as a pretty long show, and I don't think I've ever seen an underground act go much past an hour, but that's just my experience. Other than that, 90 min seems fairly average.

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>answer me this oh hip hop nation of mine.
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>what is the average length of a hip hop show.
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>from cats you "respect"
>cats you hate
>cats who are mega commercial
>cats who are ultra underground.
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When I go to a Roots show I expect at least an hour or two if you're headlining. But then, I haven't been to any show that has the Roots if they aren't headlining. I haven't been to any mega commercial shows (Nelly, Jay, 50, etc.). They advertise on radio which I don't listen to. I don't expect much for ultra underground cats either (their isht usually starts to drone on after the first half hour). So, of the shows I've been to I expect to at least hear the singles that get rotation and some of the nicer songs from the most recent lp. If it's someone who has like 4,5 or 6 lps under their belt, I'm expecting to hear good isht from each. I know realistically, you cna't do all but it's nice to expect. When i went to Smokin' grooves in '96, the opening acts got like 20 minutes (Spearhaead and Infamous Mob), the in betweeners got like 30 or 40 minutes (Tribe and Busta), I think the Fugees had maybe like 45 minutes but they went long, Cypress went for about an hour probably and Ziggy closed the jawn. That was like my first large venue concert since the Victory tour. Everything else was like the little Drexel U. (not now, but Drexel in '94) promote the jawn in their hall in the student center type stuff (saw Ill and Al Scratch there and some other folk). Dern, did I answer the question? I guess really, I just expect a good show and I don't expect to be short-changed from cats I respect. I know it's not their fault all the time and half the time, it's the wack-a$$ promoters (I got a story about that and my crew and Temple U. and how Poor Righteous Teachers damn near cut us out of a show... but that's a whole 'nother post), but I just expect to hear good isht, I expect there to be some quality segues, and I expect MCs to move the crowd. Call me old school if that's too much.

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I can understand the disapointment in a 90 minute Roots show, but not the near riot reaction. thats wack as hell.

you guys killed it at Bonnaroo this weekend. it was probably same show, 90 minutes. left everyone wanting more. you could play 2 hours and no one would want it to stop. thank you ?uest for making my bonnaroo trip! i through up all over your solo, it was so sick.

Europe needs to chill...

its like this its all about the show. hey i swore ya'll were on stage forever with smookin grooves. outkast was on there for what felt like an hour and a half. if you ain't got much material you can't rock a long show. so what i expect from a legend or an artist with mad records from any genre is a long close to 3 hours show. with a break to get some snacks or something. but from peeps with like 1 album. a good hour to hour and a half show is cool. two hours is def. standard for the okps of the industry. i mean the roots should be rocking like a george clinton show all that music they got. but they should be doing there music. cause some people cough "commom" cough like to recite others music and have a little jam session with the band and do a verse from like 6 songs and full songs for 5. you know. i expect the nelly's and 50 cent to give me an hour and a half. i want a good show no matter what just pass the one hour mark. underground shows should be long why not. but if they are catering to mostly people who dont know their music they should rock impressive hits and keep it short. nooooooooooooooooooo quest the roots should not be doing 90 minute shows unless thats all the time they have.
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when you have a reputation for doing long ass shows. People obviously expect that.

Look at Allan Houston, he has a reputation for playing 3 quarters. So people aren't dissapointed when he only shows up for the first 3. Someone like Ron Artest on the other hand would get booed out the arena for not playing a full game like people expect him to.

Its all relative.

to always leave them wanting.

90 minutes is a long show...60 minutes of show + 30 minutes of encore should make the average fan more than happy.

wouldn't the live backing (ie dat/tables/live band) be a determining factor? its different techniques/apparatus' to work with that could make any give show shorter or longer. roots have a wider window cause you're live band, even though not commercial with mega hit albums. kast could get away with the longest....hits for days, live band, respected group, and arguable underground credibility (maybe not backpack but from cats like greg tate. sheeeit, you can still see them in a club of 2000 or less, with an all black audience.)


average show of say...

a PE (respected hip hop group):
respect doesn't mean the majority are trying to see hours and hours. 1 hour would suffice to get the hits in, get a couple non-release for the heads, and leave the crowd hungry for more (not oversaturated)

a nelly (commercial new cat with 2 records),
hour. have to save hits for final blow out....pre hit show, you can't drag on for too long or the majority of the audience (non-fanatics just there to chill) will get tired

a def jux or blackalicious (underground respect),
40 minutes. for real. as much as i personally could watch blackalicious and know all the words.....barring a set with live musicians....they should stick to the handful of hits, get gab to to a gagolicious rundown of A to Z and Chemical Calesthenics/freestyle...then close out with singalong. hit them quick and hard.

de la (group with classics)
i saw de la perform (pre-AOI) for 2 hours during freaknik 1997 and the crowd was not bored. left hungry for more.

matter of fact--include singers too. does anyone in black music even give a 2 hour show? i think last show i went to that i had nothing to do with was......janet?

Janet, Sade, Maxwell, Outkast, Prince, Lenny, R.L. Burnside....

nuff respect do though. Roots are unique in that they got one grammy certified hit, and maybe 2 or 3 more hits. but can pull off a two hour show and it is never boring. you can see them 4 times in a year and even when there is not enough distinction between them (which is rare) it is still fresh.

but for BIG acts like em, jay, YOU GUYS people expect more.

i do rememebr you guys getting a rep for marathon shows (2 hours +)

promotional shows before phren were like 2+ hours (well dc anyway)

i think when the vibe is good and you are rockin..90 minutes just makes you want more

but for a between album show 90 min. is aight...though i woudl really enjoy a 2+hour set

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YOu spoil people too much. I mean i can�t understand how you guys do this every night. I been to numerous Roots shows herein Germanyandthe average was 2 hrs plus you spinnin shit afterwards. That�s what the people know when they come to a Roots show, they don�t knowanybetter. When you come with a 90 minute show, wich is in myopinion good but average time, people get pissed. Why? Because you spoiled em and these mofos ain�t bright enough so see that theyshould be already happy with what they get.

They have no right to be mad but theystill get mad...i wondered so often howyou guys could perform night after night for soooo long andthen you DJ afterwards...please don�t shorten the shows because of that because i know that if it�s "only" 90 MInutes that you guys give 100% at every show. I eman i seen you guys perform in half empy venues and still give ALL. NOBODY else does that but people aren�t bright enough to read between the lines, that there could also be different circumstances.

That my friend is why you guys are labeled as the best live performers in HipHop.
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knowing someone personally who tours just about as hard as y'all do, i really believe the show ends when the performer is ready to end it. i've been to shows that seemed to draaaag and were relatively short timewise, and i've been to shows that leave me wanting more (like a roots show, the last radiohead show i went to), even though y'all had played for 2+ hours and radiohead played 20+ songs.

BUT, just in terms of the bottomline. if i pay $25-30 (or more) for a show, i expect it to be at least 90 minutes just in terms of getting my money's worth. 90 minutes is reasonable in terms of getting to hear a survey of the catalog, the latest hits, and for the requisite tomfoolery/showman jive in between songs...

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I went to a blackalicious show at Bimbo's for 20$ and they rocked it for nearly three hours, and the next night i went to a musiq concert with Cee-lo as the opener for 30$ at the Fillmore and cee-lo was on for an hour then musiq was on for an hour, i was highly dissappointed. but 90 min sounds like a decent show, i wouldn't be mad at that.

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for a show where its just one act. If you guys played for 90 minutes but had Kweli play for 45 minutes beforehand, I would be perfectly satisfied. But, if it was just you guys for 90 minutes, I might be a little disapointed. The last time I saw you guys it was like an hour and 45 minutes, and that was the shortest show of the 8 times that I've seen you. It really depends on the number of acts, but I dont like it when concerts are less than 2 hours. Maybe it was because I've been spoiled and my first 10 or so concerts were all at least 2 and a half hours, but if a concert is too short it can be kind of a letdown.

If I know a show is only going to be 90 minutes, I'm not going to shell out $25 for it.

I dunno where you live, but be glad it's not Indiana. $25 for a concert is a steal around here.

Saw a show where Nelly was the headliner (opened by Stickyfingaz. Boo yah!). Dude was on stage for like 25 minutes. Woulda complained, but I was glad to be leaving.

On the other hand, I saw a Ben Folds performance at a FESTIVAL concert (Ben folds solo - just him and a piano, mind you) where he rocked it for an hour and a half.

Also saw a Roots concert in Cincy where Thought was sick, the place was smoky as hell, and y'all still rocked it for two hours.



So, in my opinion,
-25 minutes - weak
-90 minutes - I feel like I got my money's worth and the performer gets my respect
-2+ hours - Like eating steak and a sweet potato for dinner and finding out you get cheescake for desert.

By the way, prices:

Nelly - $40 (it was one of TWO concerts at my school that year. I woulda paid anything just to hear some music at that point.)

Ben Folds - $21 (that was for a 5 hour festival)

Roots - I think it was between $15 and $20, but can't remember exactly. Pretty sure it was the cheapest.

Saw People Under the Stairs rock it for about 2 1/2 hours. Saw Bionic Brown rock it for 3 hours.

In my opinion the roots should be giving at least 2 hours. You have so much material, what's another half hour? Especially for the price. My ticket for the Montreux Jazz Festival in Switzerland was damn 50 bucks! That's crazy, not to mention my damn plane tickets. Anyway, two hours would give you guys maybe the opportunity to play a little more mix of oldies and newbies. holla

90 minutes is okay to me. it's the energy that counts.

of course the people expect a looong show since this is the roots and they supposed to play 3 hours.
and i think a lot of people take it as if you leave early since you don't really play encores.
okay, the band leaves while you mostly do your drum solo but i don't think a lot of people consider the part that comes after that the encore.
i noticed that a several times, the show is over, of course the people want more and clap for an encore but that's it.
a lotta peeps having the ''what??? that's it???'' look on their face...
not appreciating anymore what they just got

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does anyone in black
>music even give a 2 hour show?

i don't want to start shit here but why limit this to black music?
is it that there are no real performers left in black music or does the music just fit a certain time frame???
prince and maceo parker both played over 2 and a half hours the last time i saw them.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

seeing that you guys have ALOT of stuff/albums to play, 2 hours should be cool. for you guys.

the last show i saw was terence trent darby and he rocked it for 3 hours straight (plus a 10 mins encore)!

AND seing that you guys are coming to finland next month, i'm expecting atleast 2 hours. pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

thats just my opinion. like no one wants to go to the roots show and hear break you off, the seed and you got me, with a few more new joints and maybe the next movement. peeps want the classics. as many as you can jam in. we want a couple organix, a bunch of dywm, some ill and things, and tyhen some phren (of courese all mixed in together). i would say a roots show should be 1:45, to 2hrs. not just cause thats what it should be, but because us desperate bloodsucking rootspires need us some roots. anything less than 2 hrs, is like going to see bep on the stripped tour. fo real.

i just love when quest wants to know what WE, the fans think. its so seldom these days to find down to earth, doin it for the love of the game type musicians. thznk you.

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Willie plays for over 2 hours. The man goes through his entire catalouge. The guy is 70 fuckin years old, lived a hard life, and still tours like crazy. I dont want to hear anybody praise a concert thats under 2 hours. I would have booed the Roots too. 90 fuckin min, and then they turn around and bitch about the amount of shows they do. Thats hella weak.

Albums in the ride
Bob Dylan - The Essential
The Stooges - Fun House
The White Stripes - Elephant
Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

Karen O is my Goddess.
R.I.P Johnny Cash + John Ritter

you've prolly been to more hip-hop shows than all of us but

i thought a good set was like 45mins-1hr. i guess it depends on who you're touring with. if there's a lot of people on the bill, as you mentioned about Smoking Grooves, then the time will be shorter. but if you perform by yourself with maybe 1 opening act...you better do at least 1 hr/ hr and a half cuz the people wanna get their money's worth.

Are the 2 deciding factors for me...
Examples:
Red Hot ChiliPeppers and Snoop ($40)
Snoop: 45 min (not long enough)
RHCP: 2 hrs (woulda been fine if they started promptly)
Acceptable? Yes

Prince: 1 hour and 15 minutes, Charlotte NC 1998 plus waited 30 min for a one song encore of 'Baby I'm a Star' ($40 roughly)

Acceptable: Oh HECK no! I am sorry after all the changes he took heads through to not have his tickets scalped that tour (couldn't pick up tix till day of, if you went in couldn't leave, click your heels 3 times) I didn't care if I ever saw his ass again in this life. If you have been out since '77 I am sorry I deserve 2 1/2 3 hours. Hell Maxwell only had one album plus unplugged out and played well over 2 hours!

To top it off,as his parting shot,Price plays a tape after going off saying go to npg.com to buy the CD? I woulda punched him if I saw him...

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Have you ever been to a show that started promptly. Its part of the build up. Quit your bitchin

Albums in the ride
Bob Dylan - The Essential
The Stooges - Fun House
The White Stripes - Elephant
Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

Karen O is my Goddess.
R.I.P Johnny Cash + John Ritter

Actually yes I have and if I'm paying I'll say what I like...

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especially one with a decade + of material. I mean, honestly...you need to play some more shit. Eff a 90 min set for a headliner.

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2 hours is decent.

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u have to understand that people expect at least 3 hours out of you...you set that fa yaself homie

As far as singers go, I went to see Vivian Green and Musiq in Detroit this past week. Vivian sang her heart out for an hour and Musiq seriously rocked it for 90 minutes. I was definitely satisfied when I left, but I could have stayed for more from both of them. So I think 90 min to 2 hours is really good. Those Germans must be hard to please, they should be glad to get what they got.

Public Enemy - I've seen them a few times and they generally rocked between 90 mins. to 2 hours on average

De La - seen them more times than I can count,and will continue to see them as much as possible,and I've seen sets range from 45 minutes to 2 1/2 hours. I don't feel 2 1/2 hours is too much because there is so much material I'd like to hear outside of the singles.

Kweli - basically has like close to 3 albums worth of material and I've seen Kweli rock between 1-2 hours easy.

Jill Scott - saw her twice and both times her set clocked in at about 90 minutes.And that is with only one album worth of material.

Zion I - Amazing live performers who can give you 2 hours easy and still leave you wanting more...

as for y'all ?uest... I've yet to see a Roots show clock in more than 90 minutes (as far as I remember).I'd like for the SF bay area to be blessed with one of these 3-4 hour spectaculars.What can you do for us??? I mean having 5-6 albums worth of material you can afford to drop a 2 1/2 to 3 every so often... Especially on the Bay Area where we love us some Roots.I look at y'all similar to how I view De La,there are so many songs I'd love to hear live outside the more popular selections and singles...

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