http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030908-480289,00.html

Sunday, Aug. 31, 2003
The Roots Reinvent The Rock-Rap Sound
By CHRISTOPHER JOHN FARLEY

One of the Roots' early albums was titled Do You Want More?!!!??!, and the band's answer to that question is still yes, with just as many exclamation points (and maybe not so many question marks). But despite a career that has lasted more than a decade, the band is looking to shake things up. Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson, the Roots' drummer, says the group is considering calling its next album The Tipping Point, a reference to the Malcolm Gladwell book about the momentum of ideas, and to the fact that the band members are still seeking to take their career to that next level. "Our original fans are in their 30s," says Thompson. "Their little brothers or cousins are our new audience."

So the Roots are making some changes. The group plans to start recording a new album this month, for release next year. A guitarist, Kirk Douglas (nope, not that Kirk, and yes, he's heard the jokes), has been added to the core lineup — Thompson, vocalist Black Thought, keyboardist Kamal and bassist Hub. Another guitarist, Martin Luther (not that one either), will also play on some cuts.

The band, which has combined rock and rap on past releases, hopes to pioneer a more sophisticated blend of the genres. Says Thompson: " Exile on Main St. is my blueprint." The plan is to invite other musicians — John Mayer, Macy Gray and Nas are on the wish list — to drop by for jam sessions out of which, they trust, songs will emerge. The Roots' Philadelphia studio has even been tricked out with a whole bunch of amenities so the band can play host to longer, later jam sessions. "We definitely want a darker, murkier texture," says Thompson. We'll know next year how well it works out.

Nice article, but a few questions. What about Scratch? RahZel???Dice Raw??? It does not mention them at all.

let's not even go there with Rahzel. But the question is where's Malik B.? I would think after "Water" he'd be anxious to kinda get back in the game.

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word is when thought & ?uest played the song for him, he didn't even realize it was about him. does that sound like someone who can get their shit together over a long weekend?

i hope he gets better. the roots need him

"...let my children hear music - for God's sake - they have had enough noise."
Charles Mingus

That's a terrible thing.

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There's no room for the likes of Scratch, Rahzel, and Dice Raw. That's too much hip hop for The Roots' "new sound".

dark, murky sounds. captain kirk and martin luther. nas. now how about dice, malik, and scratch get on some tracks too.

overall, sounds dope.

I don't think the ROOTS are capable of that without Malik B...I mean that aint a diss...but to me Malik was the gutter soul of illadelph Halflife sound.....he IS the 'Invisible Enigma'...whether dawg will resurface for the jawn is doubtful..but if the ROOTs are serious about a darker texture...they better breakout the hardhats and torches and start looking for m illitant...that bro has been in the trenches..and not touring round the world hanging out with celebs (for the record ,no subliminal disses aimed at anyone)

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The plan is to invite other musicians — John Mayer, Macy Gray and Nas are on the wish list — to drop by for jam sessions out of which, they trust, songs will emerge. The Roots' Philadelphia studio has even been tricked out with a whole bunch of amenities so the band can play host to longer, later jam sessions. "We definitely want a darker, murkier texture," says Thompson

phren flowed as well as an album which seemed (through the different dates and styles) to be plucked from many many different moods and 'targets' (and projects?).

But long recording sessions must mean that the guys are ready to step it up a notch and make an album which flows like a river and almost has its own subliminal 'narrative'...
like voodoo. but obviously nothing like voodoo.

exciting to me too, basically.

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If a course is not cut for it, it turns the ground round it into a swamp."
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Says Thompson: " Exile on Main St. is my blueprint."

Can't the Roots take some tight, 50 minute set as their blueprint? Just once?

If they're really committed to the 'jam session' concept, then this can work. As I see it, the Roots need to go one of two ways. Either tighten their sound to its essence, and make that short, sweet, rootsmatic album we know they have in them, or go the way of the last 3 minutes of break you off plus the seed 2.0, and start spacing out and letting their musical concepts develop, while letting their spontenaity show and not recording, mixing, editing, for three year's time. they would have to be fully committed to an exile on main street concept to embrace the latter. no half assin'.

"...let my children hear music - for God's sake - they have had enough noise."
Charles Mingus

...this sounds great. Exile as their blueprint?!? This has me more excited than I was when I first read about Phrenology.

(sigless)

"what do you mean no set blueprint : you're just gonna play???"


and with good reason

the beatles broke up over the let it be sessions, and i still dont understand how spector assembled that stereophonic mess

i jsut hope that not too many "break you offs" are pulled, and artists drop out

or more likely their label won't clear the appearance

man i am scared....but totally excited

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it's a great book. where else can you read about chlamydia in one chapter and blue's clues in another? (those that read it know what i'm talking about). malcolm gladwell is a cool speaker too. he spoke at a conference i went to...he kinda looks like a half black screech.

if scratch isn't on the album i'm going to cry.

Scratch is truly a must, and to tell you the truth, I am hoping The Roots not play with John Mayer. I mean that guy when he sings, makes funny faces. DAMN, why would you want him doing anything with you? Also, I miss the old stuff from The Roots, it was so much more jazzy. I liked Phrenology, but it really had me Wanting MOre!?!?!?! like, phrenology missed Dice, he would have been perfect for some of the harder tracks, like Rock you, he would drop crazy hardcore rhymes about jacking suckas for all they have. Man one of the reasons i fell in love with the music of The Roots was Dice Raw going on and on with his bad ass self.

>Scratch is truly a must, and to tell you the truth, I am
>hoping The Roots not play with John Mayer. I mean that guy
>when he sings, makes funny faces. DAMN, why would you want
>him doing anything with you?

imma have to agree with this. maybe i'm not a musical genius, but you should never get down with a guy who cannot properly sing the words 'body' and 'wonderland' a collab with vanilla ice be 10x hotter than anything with john mayer...

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Although I think John Mayer could be an asset, depending on how he's used.

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im intrigued by the possibilities

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Mayer may look funny ass hell when he sings
but so do many other cats
when they sing and/or play guitar/drums at the same time
and just cause he looks funny he cant play with the roots???????

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"go home,
put on a silly hat...
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Now this is the most exciting news I have heard in awhile. The Roots have a new album coming next year? I hope to God that it does not get pushed back like 'Phrenology' did. If that happens then I think that us fans will be extremely dissapointed. 'The Tipping Point' sounds like a winner to me though. Nas? Hell fucking yeah. That would be great to hear him and B.T. spitting over the band's beats. I think it would be interesting to hear some stuff with John Mayer and Macy Gray, but I do not really like them as artists. But what really caught me was the fact that Scratch was missing. He is gone from recent shows and no one on the site seems to know why. And if he isn't on the new album then it sounds like he may be on the outs with the band or possibly leaving. I hope that is not true. And where is Malik? But I am needlessly to say very excited to hear this. Yeeuhh!

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definitely want to know what's up with scratch.

as far as malik, when was the last time people saw him with the roots?

it wouldve been more of a surprise if they announced he WAS on the next record

t_ n
th _ _ g _ n_
_ _ _ s t.

someone is lying

"...let my children hear music - for God's sake - they have had enough noise."
Charles Mingus

i swear i'm remembering reading something he wrote about how it's the permanent title. and why you gonna have me (and others) racking our brains playing hangman for some bogus shit?

edit*plus if it was what i had called it as, then i woulda felt special. shit, i had mythological texts as reference.

...there goes "Tan Theogony Beast". *sniff* Loved that title. LOL

OH THE IRONY

CANCEL YOUR TOUR

i suggest all "fans" save their money

you can view your shit while looking in the mirror jacking off
and telling yourself how great you are

someone came real close a while back, so he threw in some other letter to throw people off.... I thought it was funny

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you need to get a session with eminem

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sounds like we'll hear the roots as a band on this one, whcih i'm definitely in favour of (my favorite track on phren is the seed- though i loved rhymes and ammo too)

not ecstatic about john 'MOR' mayer being on there- but i'm sure ?uest will make it work well

be good if they could get jay-z and eminem to return the favour and appear- on a single even

the whole concept is really exciting, but this part worries me:

"Our original fans are in their 30s," says Thompson. "Their little brothers or cousins are our new audience."

when i read this i hear "we need to move in the direction of b.e.p." you know, appeal to the kids who line up for t.r.l.

but then again, the long songs and darker, murkier feel don't exactly sound like mtv.

"I maintain with clemency and munificence" -- J-Live

...even though i aint heard a note yet, i thought quest was working with david banner, no "feat jigga" track? no dj quik?? no jay dee? Hopefully thought and nas sit down together and write and it aint some stop by and drop off a verse type deal.

"Ain't no future in yo frontin" -MC Breed

"I love the Lord, and if lovin the Lord is wrong, I dont wanna be right" -Reverend Brown

new album next year
probably means it'll drop in
like Feb. '05
but still
that's news to me
and it be good


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Nas. wow expectations y'all expectations.

and i thought i was the only one who loved dice? come alive got me hooked on the roots i would love to see more of dude.

Hell yeah. I can't wait to hear Nas and Black Thought rhymin' on the same track. Definitely has me excited.

i am really excited to hear about the new album and all but, NAS?...if the roots want to hook up with nas then they should experiment by doing something like an unplugged on mtv or something. cuz i'd definitely have to make use of kaza to see if it's worth buying.

i mean i don't even classify the roots and nas on the same level. it would be like them asking me to come sing instead of cody. nas has a lot of lyrical maturing that needs to take place before he can be worthy of playing with the roots

and i'd take malik b back over nas anyday

Should be a tight record. Where's Scratch?

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but sue me if you want, i cant stand macy gray. other than ghetto heaven.

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grrr

No Scratch? Is he gone for good?

LOL, we'll see what type of album this is, cuz IMO Phrenology was far from the experimental masterpiece that you people rave about. i would love to hear Nas on a track though.

damn homie, i saw you at HU in 93 and I'm only 28. What's an "original fan", somebody from the South and Market days? LOL.

and surely they don't plan to ignore the racial implications in the phrase "the tipping point", do they?*

* don't know what that reference means? use your good friend google!

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i've been a fan since DYWM? and i'm only 29

thirties?

that's, uh, way offbase

he's not too offbase.....

ten and a half months at least

he's WAY offbase

and i'm only 21. just when i start feeling old, you people make me feel young again, thanx.

us kids in our twenties are YOUNG fans that have..

*sigh*

never mind

fa real im 21 too and in 94 i was. 10 turning 11 years old. dywm clearly wasn<'t on the radar and unless you lived in the northeast (im frm tx) i don't see how it was on yours. really admit it you were listening to hammer[br />

mvmt.com

and now:

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don't be fkn evil.

I think these would be dope callabos

Politcs are so corrupt even the dishonest
People get screwed


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no

Thought was on they(Linkin Park) Reanimation cd.Music should have no boundaries.Look @ that callabo Run D.M.C. & Aerosmith-Walk this way.Rest my case

Politcs are so corrupt even the dishonest
People get screwed


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I'll leave it at that.

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just giving an example

Politcs are so corrupt even the dishonest
People get screwed


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Unless the three acts mentioned suddenly start making worthy music.

Go see them in concert

Politcs are so corrupt even the dishonest
People get screwed


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shit, you lucky I ain't robbin' you!
fuck rap/rock latecomers. Judgement night was ill, Fatih No More was Ill, Beasties were ill, Linkin park just makes me sick.

yep

thanks for helping me clear that up

Sorry, I just had to do it.

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The phrase "the tipping point" has taken on a life of its own since Malcolm Gladwell's book by the same name was published a few years ago. It refers to the moment when something--usually a trend--becomes an epidemic. It's difficult to create a tipping point--I hope the Roots don't do themselves in with a title like that!!

i encourage people to learn on their own.

search "tipping point, white flight".

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This will be great. How bout a song with Jessica Simpson and that fuckin husband of hers. Christ are they really this desperate for airplay

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Boy....she is a freakin cry baby....at least her hubby does shit himself.....I'd be irate if i came home and there was a pile of cloths that had been laying in the main entry way of the house for a week.

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Shes not that fuckin fine. The dude needs to keep his shit in check

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Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

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>Says Thompson: " Exile on
>Main St. is my blueprint."

I found a mint copy of Exile for $4 last week ...




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nas and black on the same track...

man that's too good to be true.

one,
-ram

"shit, been the same since '86 and kane"

nas? i guess the porch monkey insult only caused temporary bad blood.




>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030908-480289,00.html
>
>Sunday, Aug. 31, 2003
>The Roots Reinvent The Rock-Rap Sound
>By CHRISTOPHER JOHN FARLEY
>
> One of the Roots' early albums was titled Do You
>Want More?!!!??!, and the band's answer to that question is
>still yes, with just as many exclamation points (and maybe
>not so many question marks). But despite a career that has
>lasted more than a decade, the band is looking to shake
>things up. Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson, the Roots' drummer,
>says the group is considering calling its next album The
>Tipping Point, a reference to the Malcolm Gladwell book
>about the momentum of ideas, and to the fact that the band
>members are still seeking to take their career to that next
>level. "Our original fans are in their 30s," says Thompson.
>"Their little brothers or cousins are our new audience."
>
> So the Roots are making some changes. The group plans to
>start recording a new album this month, for release next
>year. A guitarist, Kirk Douglas (nope, not that Kirk, and
>yes, he's heard the jokes), has been added to the core
>lineup — Thompson, vocalist Black Thought, keyboardist
>Kamal and bassist Hub. Another guitarist, Martin Luther
>(not that one either), will also play on some cuts.
>
> The band, which has combined rock and rap on past
>releases, hopes to pioneer a more sophisticated blend of
>the genres. Says Thompson: " Exile on
>Main St. is my blueprint." The plan is to invite other
>musicians — John Mayer, Macy Gray and Nas are on the wish
>list — to drop by for jam sessions out of which, they
>trust, songs will emerge. The Roots' Philadelphia studio
>has even been tricked out with a whole bunch of amenities
>so the band can play host to longer, later jam sessions.
>"We definitely want a darker, murkier texture," says
>Thompson. We'll know next year how well it works out.

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This album is going to be thier "Music N Hour Message". A big piece of crap.

Albums in the ride
Bob Dylan - The Essential
The Stooges - Fun House
The White Stripes - Elephant
Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker

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