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>>Common= more poetic, speaks on a wide range of topics, has a
>>better voice, and can write a hit (if only a small one).
>
>-ok, can we stop this "no hit" thing? thought covers his
>fair share of topics. i agree that he's not as "eccentric",
>& "out-there" as com', but he's a better mc. i will hear,
>nor respond to ANY arguments on voice. i just WON'T.
Thought covers his "fair share of topics?" What topics has he covered besides different ways to diss wack MC's, love (women and hip-hop), and Malik B on one song? You're not providing any evidence here at all. you're just saying that he's the best MC over and over with your fingers in your ears. And why no arguments on voice?
>>Nas
>
>>I can see where you could contest this, but the fact is that
>>BT has never made an album close to as good as Illmatic, and
>>he's not half as influential as Nas.
>
>-sure. but he's a BETTER MC. you can take all that
>"influential" & "good album" shit, & blow it out your ass,
>'cause i'm postive he's influenced he's plenty (outside of
>me) & that album comment is null & void due to the fact that
>nas has MAYBE 2 or 3 good ones, but i DARE a mofo to tell me
>that ANY of the roots albums suck, or that 'riq sucked ON
>them.
Oh shit, you're POSITIVE he's influenced plenty. Well never mind then, I guess I'm wrong. Any evidence, by any chance?
True, Nas has made about 3 dope albums (4 if you count Lost Tapes), but Illmatic is the biggest hip-hop classic ever. That's the album that every MC wants to make. and plus, the best of Nas's lyrics defeat the best of Thought. Example? Illmatic vs. Illadelph Halflife.
>>Jay-Z
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>>On what fronts is he not?
>>Reasonable Doubt showcased his best flow and lyricism.
>>Thought has never topped the shit on RD. Jay can make hits
>>(you said not to mention this, but it has to be done) which
>>is a definite skill in of itself. He appeals to a lot of
>>people, has made 2 classic albums, and his range of topics
>>is just as broad as Thought's.
>
>-this is the only cat i'll even consider being convinced
>otherwise of. & not because of any of your points. you can't
>judge an mc on how many "hits" they have. you just can't. &
>while reasonable doubt was the shit, all that 'ish
>in-between that & the black joint (w/ the exception of the
>first blueprint) WAS NOT on some mc shit. that nigga was
>tryin' to get paid. & i don't hate 'em for it. but as far as
>an MC, that very reason may be why tariq's better. call it
>selling-out, or whatever, my bottom line is that i think
>riq's in it for the love, while jig's in it for the love of
>money. again, ION'T HATE 'EM FOR IT. but that don't gain you
>points on my list of great ones. & you should kill this
>"topics" bullshit. 'cause jay don't flow about shit but
>money, crack, & hoes (GENERALLY SPEAKING)
Jay is in it for the money, i won't argue that. That says nothing about his MCing, though. And "generally speaking" BT only flows about how dope his crew is and how wack other crews are.
>>Andre 3000
>
>>Why not? Dre has a big ass range in topics, has equal flow,
>>has poetic moments, and has a dope voice.
>
>-that nigga' ain't a better mc. i don't give a shit what
>anybody say. & maybe our definitions differ, but as much as
>i feel every thing 3000's ever written, i know, AND I'VE
>HEARD, tariq do must as well. and all of y'all need to stop
>saying 'riq ain't never written no ill shit, 'cause you know
>it's a lie.
Riq and 3000 are about neck and neck if you don't count songwriting. BT just spits three dope verses on a beat, puts on a simple little chanted hook, then calls it a day. Outkast's songs are far superior to the Roots' joints. So i guess like you said, this is where our definitions differ. To be a dope MC to me, you have to not only have technical ability but also the ability to write songs and talk about different things. Show some diversity.
>>2pac
>
>>MCing isn't just technical ability. He made some of the
>>most relatable and classic songs in rap. and he had
>>charisma out the ass, which thought severely lacks.
>
>-thought, to me, is much more than technical. but i will say
>that i think he's the MOST technical. i agree w/ everthing
>else you said here, except the part about him lacking
>charisma. you need to look that word up. he may not
>"outshine" 'pac in that dept., but he definitely don't
>"severely lack charisma"
Uh....point out to me one song where his charisma shines through on record.
>>Gift of Gab
>
>>No, you're high. Have you ever listned to a Blackalicious
>>record? Gift can rhyme about anything and his battle raps
>>are ferocious. the only thing he doesn't have over thought
>>is his voice.
>
>-iono about that battle. i can't see too many folks
>out-battling thought. i got all of blackalicious' 'ish, & i
>just don't agree that he's better. we'll leave it at that.
ok.
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