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PungeePyPy
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"Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?"


  

          

how did they end up joining The Roots? I don't think Knuckles adds much that any other percussionist couldn't add. he seems to do pretty rudimentary stuff.

  

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RE: Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?
Aug 18th 2006
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RE: Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?
Aug 19th 2006
2
yea but...
Aug 19th 2006
3
you're high.
Aug 19th 2006
4
      not even tryin' to hate but...
Aug 19th 2006
5
           its his chemistry with quest that makes him special
Aug 19th 2006
7
           oh as a drummer I think I understand...
Aug 19th 2006
8
           "nothing moving"
Aug 19th 2006
12
                I get it
Aug 19th 2006
13
                i was "moved enough to write"
Aug 19th 2006
14
                Pause....
Aug 21st 2006
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                     LMAO!!
Aug 23rd 2006
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                     i wanted to say this, but okps and ?uest would have thrown a fit
Aug 23rd 2006
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RE: Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?
Aug 20th 2006
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      ^^^not fazed or stunned.
Aug 21st 2006
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      ^^^wish i knew how to take the high road like this guy
Aug 22nd 2006
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Kirk from BK
Aug 19th 2006
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because you think from the side of your neck
Aug 19th 2006
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no one's asking for spit fire
Aug 19th 2006
10
excuse me... eating fire.
Aug 19th 2006
11
.
Aug 19th 2006
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I know, right?
Aug 22nd 2006
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      ^^ no idea what an inquisitive mind is
Aug 23rd 2006
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           I refer you to Reply #3....
Aug 23rd 2006
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                see
Aug 23rd 2006
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Doesn't Add Much?!?
Aug 20th 2006
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      my point went a little deeper than that
Aug 20th 2006
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           RE: my point went a little deeper than that
Aug 20th 2006
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RE: because you think from the side of your neck
Aug 21st 2006
23
I been interested in a Kirk backstory myself...
Aug 20th 2006
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RE: I been interested in a Kirk backstory myself...
Aug 21st 2006
24
knuckles is my favorite addition of all time
Aug 21st 2006
25
....
Aug 23rd 2006
29
why can't someone challenge and ask ?uestions these days?
Aug 23rd 2006
32
i think quest took it a bit personaly myself,
Aug 23rd 2006
33
hm... well
Aug 23rd 2006
34
see my kamal post
Aug 23rd 2006
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you're a fucking idiot
Aug 23rd 2006
39
Shit....I want a job.
Aug 23rd 2006
35
For real.
Aug 23rd 2006
37
shit, lemme just be the dude that...
Aug 23rd 2006
41
And just in case you have a connection w/ Jean Grae...
Aug 24th 2006
42

punch
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1. "RE: Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?"
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He(Knuckles) does a pretty good job of playing several odd quest-produced noises at once.

he can dance like a buffoon.

what mo could you ask fo??

--_-__

  

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TheNewAddiction
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2. "RE: Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?"
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I don't know where they came from and don't really care. All I know i s that Cpt. Kirk blows Ben Kenney out of the water. Better singer and stage prescence too.

  

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PungeePyPy
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3. "yea but..."
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anyone could do what knuckles does. give me the spot ?uest and I'll rip it up for ya

  

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4. "you're high."
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(& knucks is from kingston, jamaica / capt. kirk from brooklyn?)

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PungeePyPy
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5. "not even tryin' to hate but..."
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he's not bringing a deep groove to the table. he's only displaying chops up on stage, nothing deep or moving.

  

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7. "its his chemistry with quest that makes him special"
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i dont think you understand the timing involves and the ability to be on the same page with him at all times to complete the drum grooves.

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PungeePyPy
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8. "oh as a drummer I think I understand..."
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and especially as a drummer who's really listened to ?uest's rock-solid timing, i understand the timing required.

  

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12. ""nothing moving""
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Sat Aug-19-06 02:14 PM by 15

  

          

lol--he moved you enough to write about him though....

that right there tells me that you wouldn't even understand the language.

my requirements for being down aint based on how you can juggle, do the dishes, sing "ring around the rosey" and chew gum at once.

its the language:


"rell that shit"

i yell that shit at a moments notice and he knows the 4 things that must be done to make me happy in 2 seconds.

"rade me up"

that is a reference that requires him to play congos/bongos/hand sonic/triggers at once.

"do this son!"

that is my on the dime "break" on the 3 that you must be lightening quick to get

"dre it"

add 808 cymbals on the kick.

"ye it"

you gotta know what patch i want and in an instant.

1."jay dee"
2."dilla"
3."ummah"
4."slum"
5."puck it"
6."detroit"
7. "nuts"

a) skip the pattern once every 3 times
b) use the "we will rock you" patch clap
c) go to patch 48 use the claps
d) use shuffle and snaps
e) the 8 second 808 kick
f) play real fucked up on this part
g) shuffles on the 16


you're right.
on surface the shit aint all that remarkable.
but that is missing the point in this day and age of musicians
tryna show off they chops.
id rather play with someone i got chemistry with than the best percussionist in the world.
there is no job training for this gig.
however what makes frank PERFECT for this gig
is his willingness to sponge shit in.

you gonna tell me if i tell you to "rell it up" that you gonna know off the bat which pharrell reference im talking about?

this is the result of two cats playing with each other for about 7 years now.

studying shit together
trying new ideas
and laughing along the way.


i mean i get you tryna get in by any means (dissing the next man is soooo tired though)---but if you walk away not impressed. or at least "getting it"

--then...

well....that tells me you dont speak the language.


that's it for this post.

i gotta work!

peace.





NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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PungeePyPy
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13. "I get it"
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and i'm tryn to cop the language but what i really wanted to know was how he landed the gig. and you answered me, an inquisitive mind. my teacher went on the road with max roach just because he had that same charisma you talk about with knuckles.

knuckles snaps, don't get me wrong. lol, maybe i should just stop here.

oh but i'd never diss the next person to get myself in, come on that shits been played too much. I'm eager just to kick with yall and ask questions. talked for awhile with the drummer for that opening act (with the DJ and guitar player). i asked him how you practiced getting that breakbeat sound, that dilla sound even. he said you'd probably say "listen to james brown." since i heard that I've been the reinvented clyde stubblefield.

  

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PungeePyPy
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14. "i was "moved enough to write""
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because i envy his position. because ever since my teacher told me to LISTEN to your playing, to really dig deep into and find its sources, i've been a student of yours ever since. you can't shake it off, i bet you went through the same thing with Jay dee's, prince's, and prolly even stevie wonder's music. (shit i bet you went through the same shit with that mesmerizing flute part in Aretha franklin's "until you come back to me", right?) so give me some credit for 'understanding the language.' its not even about dissing on someone to get ahead of 'em.

  

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21. "Pause...."
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^^this is the result of 2 cats playing wit each other for about 7 years now....^^

Lol....sorry.....but if he said it in person....he'd get paused....
If I said it.....I'd get paused.......
So ahmir.....

Pause......
{*^YnG'^ *TkR*}

  

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28. "LMAO!!"
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That most def deserved a pause.

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30. "i wanted to say this, but okps and ?uest would have thrown a fit"
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16. "RE: Cpt. Kirk and Knuckles --- where they come from?"
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>All I know i s that Cpt. Kirk blows Ben Kenney out of the water.
>Better singer and stage prescence too.

i couldn't agree with you more.










www.benkenney.com www.thedivisiongroup.com www.ghettocrush.com

  

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22. "^^^not fazed or stunned."
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27. "^^^wish i knew how to take the high road like this guy"
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NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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6. "Kirk from BK"
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Sat Aug-19-06 11:31 AM by Canela74

  

          

I don't like Knuckles cause when I was trying to get a ?quest-signed drumstick, he made me give the one I got to some chick behind me and when I asked him what do I get he gave me a nasty, sweaty towel. Which I promptly threw back at him. (YUCK!) :-p


>>>Avitar - Romare Bearden's "Reclining Nude" c. 1977

>>>"Oil? Who said anything about oil? You cooking, bitch?" - Dave Chapelle as "Black Bush"

>>>"I ain't scared of no Al- Qaeda. I'm scared of Al- Kracker!" - Chris Rock

>>>"That is one of the most useless jobs in the world right now." - Branford Marsalis on A&Rs. from 'Before the Music Dies'

  

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9. "because you think from the side of your neck"
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sometimes "simple" is all that is needed.

why a mofo gotta eat fire in order to get a thumbs up?

knucks is PERFECT for what we are doing.

call on sheila for tricks.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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10. "no one's asking for spit fire"
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all i was asking was how knuckles and kirk made it into The Roots. yall ain't gotta get all uptight and shit. but hey, ?uest i started listening to you, i mean REALLY listening to you after my drum teacher told me "that cat's done his homework!" you weren't even blowing fire to get attention. same shit kenny clarke used to do... just holdin' it down.

  

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PungeePyPy
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11. "excuse me... eating fire."
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and im not putting knuckles down, but he don't add a whole ton of groove to the rhythm section. now you may respond.

  

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15. "."
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i dont think he's going to hire you.

--_-__

  

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26. "I know, right?"
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hahaha....this kid just took a huge L.

This guy: "Hey Quest! Your percussionist sux! Lemme have his gig!"

15: "Sure! can you start Monday?"

LOL!

Peace,
Salim

https://soundcloud.com/salimsivaad/lets-get-free <-- my best work

http://www.soundcloud.com/salimsivaad <-- some other joints

  

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PungeePyPy
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31. "^^ no idea what an inquisitive mind is"
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a big L? its not a pissing contest, i was asking a question.

  

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38. "I refer you to Reply #3...."
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Wed Aug-23-06 09:01 PM by silkyhyde

  

          

...where you said, "anyone could do what knuckles does. give me the spot ?uest and I'll rip it up for ya".

Inquisitive mind, my ass. More like shark-ass nigga behavior.

You dissed Knucks, and implied that you could do much better. Tearing down the next man on some "Crabs In a Barrel"-type ish. So then everybody in here proceeded to clown you, including ?uesto.

If you just wanted to know how Knucks and Cap'n got down, why didn't you just ask that, instead on getting in the dig on Knucks...which is what everybody justifiably focused on because you played yourself and showed your ass.

That's nobodies fault but your own. Don't get mad at me for what you did to yourself.

And I AM a player, mind you...keys and vibes. So miss me with all that "you must not play" bullshit.

P.S. did you stop to think that ?uest and Knucks are FRIENDS and not just bandmates????...you dissed his BOY. That's what you are missing here. It wasn't called for, and shows that you think that the primary importance in a bandmate is chops above musical friendship.

Good luck on getting that gig, okay player?

Peace,
Salim

https://soundcloud.com/salimsivaad/lets-get-free <-- my best work

http://www.soundcloud.com/salimsivaad <-- some other joints

  

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PungeePyPy
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40. "see"
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you didnt have to trip. its all love. my b folks.

p.s. - lovely 'okay player' pun. i thought i was the only clever one in here. guess you showed me.

  

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17. "Doesn't Add Much?!?"
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I like the Roots the way that they are, and you can't tell me that he doesn't add much when they are going back in forth gettin after shit on stage. Show is live, because everyone brings that shit together. Every piece of the puzzle is important to the songs man. You gotta listen, go to the live shows, it speaks for itself.

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18. "my point went a little deeper than that"
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but yea you're right, each piece is def. worth having. i've only seem them live 5 times, and each time its been hard to hear knuckles during the actual song. from what i can gather, he makes the backbeat sound fatter and bigger.

but seem to miss my question, how did kirk and knuckles end up joining The Legendary?

  

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19. "RE: my point went a little deeper than that"
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Ha, I'm not gonna comment on what they "bring to the table," but I am curious on the history of it all, how did they end up joining The Roots?

  

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23. "RE: because you think from the side of your neck"
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Hey ?uest

Why was Knuckles absent from the recent Chicago show? Is he not touring this time around? I didn't notice him or hear him. We want Knuckles we want Knuckles!

  

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20. "I been interested in a Kirk backstory myself..."
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when Ben left I was kinda like... NooOoo! ...Kirk slid in nicely... but... who is he? I think his last name is Hazel

@TheBlackZappa

  

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24. "RE: I been interested in a Kirk backstory myself..."
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I'd love to know this too. The man is an incredible guitaurist, singer, and live performer, great addition to the Roots.

  

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25. "knuckles is my favorite addition of all time"
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miamiounia is second

he sets a groove and works well with ?uest (drum solos are proof of that)

  

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29. "...."
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knuckles is the man. i think he may have thrown a towel at me once but i kept that ish.

  

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32. "why can't someone challenge and ask ?uestions these days?"
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the minute I said I didn't care for Knuckles, all you "okay players" started dissin. if you wanna maintain hip hop as an art you cant have keep it black and white. yall some hating mofos though, i thought it was cool to post opinions. must have to have a superscripted 'ok' beside your name to have a legit opinion 'round here.

and for those who think I started this thread so I could cop Knuckles' gig? yall crazy. why would i try to "sneak" in through a post on this site? man i bet none of yall play shit. and thats the problem with hip hop, no respect for talent and passion.

  

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33. "i think quest took it a bit personaly myself,"
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but i dont think anyone can do what knuckles does.

..and i think there are a whole bunch of players in here.

--_-__

  

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34. "hm... well"
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<--- just trying to keep this post alive until ahmir decides to give us the inside scoop. lol

  

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58impala
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36. "see my kamal post"
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shockzilla
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39. "you're a fucking idiot"
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now you may respond.

  

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Clark Kent
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35. "Shit....I want a job."
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Can I drive the bus??? I have a CDL.

NICE TRY KOWALSKI

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quality music all the time.

  

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Canela74
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37. "For real."
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Can I be a goffer or ... SOMETHING on the Asian leg? I wanna go to Japan!!!

I'm pretty useful. I can read. And stuff.

>>>Avitar - Romare Bearden's "Reclining Nude" c. 1977

>>>"Oil? Who said anything about oil? You cooking, bitch?" - Dave Chapelle as "Black Bush"

>>>"I ain't scared of no Al- Qaeda. I'm scared of Al- Kracker!" - Chris Rock

>>>"That is one of the most useless jobs in the world right now." - Branford Marsalis on A&Rs. From 'Before the Music Dies'

  

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Ayatollah Watts
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41. "shit, lemme just be the dude that..."
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tunes the guitars and shit prior to the band taking the stage... lemme be that nigga..

@TheBlackZappa

  

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stephengbutler
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42. "And just in case you have a connection w/ Jean Grae..."
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Still lookin' for openings to be a groupie.

I'm trying to think outside the box like Henry Brown.

People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Writing
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