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money green
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"If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"


  

          

don't get me wrong, love the album.....5 stars in my book....

but...I wish there was a different hook on "In The Music"....the intro, beat, and BT are on fire....but once that chorus hits....(screwface).

  

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they would have put bread and butter on there
Aug 30th 2006
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yeah
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
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maybe the mix on "Long Time"?
Aug 30th 2006
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RE: maybe the mix on "Long Time"?
Sep 01st 2006
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
Aug 30th 2006
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
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      RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
Aug 30th 2006
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           I think ?uest said it was planned BUT
Aug 31st 2006
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New World
Aug 30th 2006
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RE: New World
Sep 02nd 2006
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Add a few more tracks. Other than that I love it.
Aug 30th 2006
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add another verse to New World. add b & b and pity the child.
Aug 30th 2006
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Jay-Z
Aug 30th 2006
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      Black Star
Aug 30th 2006
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i'd promote the fuck out of it.
Aug 30th 2006
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RE: i'd promote the fuck out of it.
Aug 31st 2006
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RE: i'd promote the fuck out of it.
Aug 31st 2006
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I would start false media with the verse instead of the chorus
Aug 30th 2006
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the song game theory
Aug 30th 2006
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make the album longer.
Aug 30th 2006
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
Aug 30th 2006
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nothing
Aug 30th 2006
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2 things
Aug 30th 2006
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re work the chorus on Clock With No Hands
Aug 31st 2006
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keep it on geffen
Aug 31st 2006
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this may be of small comfort,
Aug 31st 2006
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i thought i was the only one.
Sep 01st 2006
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      it's 'cause we remember the glory days
Sep 02nd 2006
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you really think Geffen would let you release it as is?
Aug 31st 2006
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RE: keep it on geffen
Aug 31st 2006
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honestly, i dont think Geffen woulda putup any more promo
Aug 31st 2006
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ouch.
Aug 31st 2006
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Ouch....Def Jam Lost.
Sep 01st 2006
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I think he's joking guys...
Sep 01st 2006
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
Aug 31st 2006
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Game Theorys Length
Aug 31st 2006
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Living In A New World.
Aug 31st 2006
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RE: Living In A New World.
Aug 31st 2006
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atonement
Aug 31st 2006
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That song is great!
Sep 01st 2006
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
Aug 31st 2006
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i fuckin' LOVE the hook on that joint! are you nutz?!
Aug 31st 2006
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lol
Aug 31st 2006
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      *cringe*
Aug 31st 2006
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hm...
Sep 01st 2006
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RE: Nuthin, man
Sep 02nd 2006
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Nothing. it is what it is.
Sep 02nd 2006
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Quest Thank YOUS!!!!
Sep 02nd 2006
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I know, I know!
Sep 02nd 2006
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RE: I know, I know!
Sep 05th 2006
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
Sep 02nd 2006
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It'd be selling 5 million copies.....
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RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?
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Menphyel7
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1. "they would have put bread and butter on there"
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The_Orange_Ninja_Turtle
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2. "yeah"
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kicksnarehats
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3. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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To me, as a musician and a fan I try not to think about what i'd change. I mean this is the Roots vision, they spent two years on this, made the decisions, I wouldn't want to change a thing, I take it for what it is.

"Perfection is not attained when you can't add anymore, perfection is attained when you can't take anymore away."

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4. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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good point... it is the best it could be, but one thing is I would make "take it there" longer, its too short, i love that beat where each intrsument comes in after Razhel

Game Theory- Perfection in musical form

  

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money green
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5. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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totally feel ya man....it is what it is....

this question just struck me though with that song...

it's the arm chair quarterback thing

  

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kicksnarehats
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6. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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but if i had to say one thing, i would of liked to see comm, mos or talib on there, change is good though.

"Perfection is not attained when you can't add anymore, perfection is attained when you can't take anymore away."

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Andrew595
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7. "maybe the mix on "Long Time"?"
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not sure, but it sounds to me like the mix on this track is a little muddier than the rest of the album.

that said, GT is hands-down phenomenal. other than that, not a damn thing. i can even see now why bread and butter isn't on here.

  

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47. "RE: maybe the mix on "Long Time"?"
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I think its drier, it has a great vintage quality to it and i think thats what your hearing.

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kida327
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8. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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I wish it was a little longer... albums like TFA and Illadelph spoiled me with approx. 20 tracks each. but hey, at least there is no filler.
I'd much rather have 13 solid tracks with no filler, than 20 tracks with some filler.

  

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9. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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defintiely would have wanted the track with blackstar that Quest mentioned months ago, but i have had it for months and still banging number one on my cahnger.

  

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10. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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????

Where does a guy get that?!?


>defintiely would have wanted the track with blackstar that
>Quest mentioned months ago, but i have had it for months and
>still banging number one on my cahnger.

  

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33. "I think ?uest said it was planned BUT"
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He didn't confirm that it was actually recorded...

  

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11. "New World"
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Simple change...Livin in a New World should have been A LOT longer. Amazing track, my jaw hit the floor...can't handle how short it is...

  

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48. "RE: New World"
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>Simple change...Livin in a New World should have been A LOT
>longer. Amazing track, my jaw hit the floor...can't handle
>how short it is...

Word, but how short it is it leaves you wanting more, which is also good. Makes it more special like that one brief moment...

But yeah, if it were longer......!!!

  

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12. "Add a few more tracks. Other than that I love it."
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13. "add another verse to New World. add b & b and pity the child."
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damn good album though.

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14. "Jay-Z"
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i was against Jay being on the album
and understood the Roots not wanting him on it,
but when i listen to it and how darkly melodic the instruments are
i would've loved to hear Jay and Black Thought on a track
'cause you know they would've challenged the hell out of each
other.

would've loved to hear Jay on a third verse for Baby


  

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15. "Black Star"
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yeah, what happened to that track?
these beats would have been good for them.

  

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16. "i'd promote the fuck out of it."
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35. "RE: i'd promote the fuck out of it."
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co-sign!

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38. "RE: i'd promote the fuck out of it."
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yup!

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17. "I would start false media with the verse instead of the chorus"
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and i would have put please don't go on there.

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18. "the song game theory"
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take the first :30 and add to the end, so there is more of a transition into Don't Feel Right. That's the only one that abruptly ends, every other track just bleeds right into the next (which was an excellent idea, who does that these days??)


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19. "make the album longer."
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its great but it seems to go buy way too fast. especially with can't stop being 8+ mins. long. also the album kinda seems to "die" after "long time". i mean i like the last 4 tracks but the album had so much momentum after "here i come" and "long time" and it seemed to have lost it.

  

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20. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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Damn it wasn't long before someone had to put a bullshit post like this up. Why aren't niggaz never satisfied. The album is what it is. You can't change it. The Roots are not going back to the studio to re-record it. Just leave it the fuck alone.

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21. "nothing"
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22. "2 things"
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Make "Livin' in a New World" longer, maybe just another 30 seconds to a minute of the music at the end.

Add another track or two.

  

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23. "re work the chorus on Clock With No Hands"
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and the album is 5/5 for me.

  

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24. "keep it on geffen"
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...oops

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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25. "this may be of small comfort,"
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but i liked seeing THAT logo on your cd

  

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42. "i thought i was the only one."
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when i opened the CD cover and saw the DefJam imprint...i smiled big.

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53. "it's 'cause we remember the glory days"
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26. "you really think Geffen would let you release it as is?"
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you have to at least like the creative freedom that Jay gives you.

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27. "RE: keep it on geffen"
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damn!!!! sorry to hear that....

  

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29. "honestly, i dont think Geffen woulda putup any more promo"
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and the fact that it was on def jam period gave it a sliiiiiiiight buzz compared to if it wasnt. so unless you guys woulda gotten more $ out of it on Geffen, i dunno how to read that.

  

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36. "ouch."
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43. "Ouch....Def Jam Lost."
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46. "I think he's joking guys..."
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tell me you're joking...lol

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28. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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I wouldn't really change a thing but to have Black Thought come back in and spit a few bars over that last beat on 'Can't Stop This' would have been nice.
That beat is too nice.

  

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30. "Game Theorys Length"
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is one of its strongest aspects.
its concise, says everything that it needed to say.

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n!gg@z commenting on my shit for?" - Hov

  

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31. "Living In A New World."
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I wouldn't have necessarily added another verse, but maybe rode the outro a little longer..... I have to play it two or three times before going to the next song... it's the "Crazy You" of this record

  

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32. "RE: Living In A New World."
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I would make this a bit longer...

  

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34. "atonement"
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i skip it

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44. "That song is great!"
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n/m

  

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37. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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make it longer. put some kweli or mos on it too.

  

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39. "i fuckin' LOVE the hook on that joint! are you nutz?!"
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and since when does one listen to hip hop for the hook? either way, dude says "It's in the MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSIC!" like he's answering a stupid rhetorical question. Matter of fact, at the *end* of that hook he even says "what is y'all, stupid?" If the inflection was any different, it wouldn't have the same effect.

If I could change one thing about GT? Different vocalist for "Livin' in a new world". Hook is too nasaly for me. John John or whoever sounds like he's trying too hard to be laid back. Like Beck when he's hung over or something. The only other thing is BT's vocals on Atonement are a little too aggressive and doesn't match the track enough. I'd like to have heard him chill out a bit like he did on "complexity".

But who the fuck am I?

Plus I got niggas in DC
That'll hit you for 3G's and a box of Yum's carry out!
Little Brother


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40. "lol"
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you criticize me for critiquing a hook and then you do the same thing....

and I don't really have anything against WHAT he's saying...but how it sounds....dude's voice somehow reminds me a bit of (gulp) Fred Durst.

  

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41. "*cringe*"
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>you criticize me for critiquing a hook and then you do the
>same thing....

lol....busted. You right. That's a bit hypocritical. I guess everybody has their preference.

Plus I got niggas in DC
That'll hit you for 3G's and a box of Yum's carry out!
Little Brother


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45. "hm..."
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Yea somethin to do with the a how a few songs on there sound abit cut down. ie: Baby, Livin in A New World...maybe Atonement?? and. I dunno.. But I love this album.

So if the purpose or mission was to "leave em hangin for mo" than sir quest you win! But in this case WE win as well..











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49. "RE: Nuthin, man"
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i will just like to give my thanks to the roots and hats off, because the album is killing. and ?luv, you really killing on the drums(you are up there with art blakely).

  

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50. "Nothing. it is what it is."
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-T
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51. "Quest Thank YOUS!!!!"
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But he din't thank me!?!

jk

  

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52. "I know, I know!"
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This shit bangs from track 3 to 9. BANGS.
The intro and False Media are a good intro, but the album takes a turn when Livin In A New World (which kind of seems out of place on a hip hop album much less a Roots album) comes on after Long Time.
I would continue the banging throughout the album.
How about the Saigon and Black Star tracks?
Why wasn't Bread and Butter on the regular album?

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55. "RE: I know, I know!"
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>This shit bangs from track 3 to 9. BANGS.
>The intro and False Media are a good intro, but the album


I don't get the intro... it's like 2 seconds, just seems like a waste to me, I don't even notice that it's a separate track from False Media so I don't get it...

It's not like the intro on Phrenology, where Rock you just comes and takes over, which has a good effect on the song. Maybe it's just me...


>takes a turn when Livin In A New World (which kind of seems
>out of place on a hip hop album much less a Roots album) comes
>on after Long Time.
>I would continue the banging throughout the album.
>How about the Saigon and Black Star tracks?
>Why wasn't Bread and Butter on the regular album?

  

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54. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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My hubby downloaded Game Theory from iTunes. But, I was adament that I would not listen to it until I got my copy from OKP. Couldn't pick it up during the weekday because I got home after 6 pm every day this week and the Apartment Complex office was closed. So, Saturday afternoon at 12:30 pm, I received my copy of Game Theory. And, I took a drive. That CD is the BEST CD I have heard ALL YEAR. From beginning to end, it is a masterpiece. I was blown away. So, I have to thank the Legendary for such a great CD. Every song touched my soul in some way. So...thanks.

I wouldn't change a thing. Except maybe to have put Bread and Butter as a hidden track

  

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56. "It'd be selling 5 million copies....."
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57. "RE: If you could change one thing about GT, what would it be?"
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Enjoyed the Album greatly and agree with some of the points made here although we all know we will listen to the tracks that were released else where. I would have loved to see a return of scratch and rhazel for the tour and some time on the album in the lime light. Malik B is great to hear agin and it felt like more complete with him stepping in here and there.

  

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