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iKilan
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"?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"


  

          

*sets intentional bait.......waits*

Fam, I came here for the roots and common. I love and support ya'll cats album for album ( well i didnt cop GT..didnt like it), but ya'll truly are on that Legend of the fall off shit....but whatever let me get to the point.

Dude, ive said this before. I'm just an Okayplayer who makes post. But you made this site for our opinion and input and shit as fans, I am that. What ive said was to DO SOME TRICKS DUDE... I love the artsy shit, and play along with the lable game all that... Its working ( keeping ya'll fed and touring) but it aint working ( plat sells, Critical AND Worldwide/Commercial/Radio/Platinum acclaim).

Dance for us Doggie... DO a split and a backspin, and michael jackson james brown move, while thought does some breathless freestyle, over Klangs and lighting several guitars on fire.

Tricks:

Essaywhatman
You got me
The next Movement (video)
What they do (video)
The Seed 2.0
Boom/Web
Thought@work
Dat Skat
The scratch/Rahzel joints
What you want

Also Make a song with some Hooks and BANGING beat:

Clones( beat)
COncerto of...
Adrenaline
Dynamite
You got me
Proceed
Ultimate
Thought@work
Stay Cool
STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Next Movement
Proceed


Make mufuckas oohhh and ahhh, and Nod their head really hard, and be scared of ya'll, something.

Mix that art shit and have cameos. No disrespect to Truck, Dice, and skills ( VA stand up), but get some cats who have a NAME, the Kanye's, Bustas, Floetry, Jigga, outkast, Will I am, Just blaze, Dre sit even Lupe.

If dre will walk it out.. we will work with ya'll. even that dude is playing the game

I truly love The roots as a band, but its killing me watching these albums fall off.

I know your have a career, a well deserved joint, but shit could be so much better.

Hip hop is dying.... ya'll can save it.


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RE: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!
Dec 15th 2006
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I'm talking about albums, dog..
Dec 15th 2006
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      maybe if they work with the lean wit it rock wit it boyz
Dec 15th 2006
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      I aint gonna say go that far but there are Hop pop
Dec 15th 2006
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      RE: maybe if they work with the lean wit it rock wit it boyz
Dec 20th 2006
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      RE: I'm talking about albums, dog..
Dec 20th 2006
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You are wack for not liking Game Theory
Dec 15th 2006
5
The shit was borning..
Dec 15th 2006
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no it doesnt compare to their past cause its so far ahead
Dec 16th 2006
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RE: i definitely agree with u!!!
Dec 16th 2006
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you say "boring"
Dec 16th 2006
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      'beats' lol good point
Dec 16th 2006
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      Quest you gotta find that medium, dude..
Dec 16th 2006
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      my whole career has been on this quest yo
Dec 16th 2006
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           To me, and this is all opinion... from the outside looking in
Dec 17th 2006
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                wtf
Dec 17th 2006
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                     aight.. i'll be that.
Dec 17th 2006
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                          but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old
Dec 17th 2006
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                               RE: but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old
Dec 18th 2006
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                                    RE: but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old
Dec 18th 2006
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                                         RE: but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old
Dec 18th 2006
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                                              ouch
Dec 18th 2006
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                                                   No disrespect... but I'mmusically mature
Dec 18th 2006
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                                                        word my bad
Dec 18th 2006
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                                                             Overstood. its all good.
Dec 18th 2006
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                                                                  good point
Dec 18th 2006
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      you are a producer....
Dec 16th 2006
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      seriously
Dec 19th 2006
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      RE: seriously
Dec 19th 2006
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      this kid aint that mature
Dec 19th 2006
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           lol..
Dec 19th 2006
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                hey I aint making this up right
Dec 19th 2006
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                     send me an email, fam.
Dec 19th 2006
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                          check your inbox
Dec 19th 2006
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RE: You are wack for not liking Game Theory
Dec 20th 2006
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didnt you post this in the lesson a while ago...?
Dec 16th 2006
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it was along the same lines
Dec 16th 2006
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re: VA STAND UP!!!
Dec 16th 2006
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actually reading this post a second time...
Dec 16th 2006
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How about make music for both of us...
Dec 16th 2006
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      But Game Theory is Ahead of its time
Dec 16th 2006
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           Holla at me in 20 years
Dec 18th 2006
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in the least pretentious tone I can muster
Dec 16th 2006
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There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent
Dec 16th 2006
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      RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent
Dec 16th 2006
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           RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent
Dec 17th 2006
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                RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent
Dec 18th 2006
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                     RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent
Dec 18th 2006
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                          RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent
Dec 18th 2006
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                               Fight!? son, i hold heat.
Dec 18th 2006
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                                    RE: Fight!? son, i hold heat.
Dec 22nd 2006
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                                         I'll take that shit too,,
Dec 22nd 2006
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I don't understand this post
Dec 16th 2006
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lol
Dec 16th 2006
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the person i'm aiming it at does.
Dec 17th 2006
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      looks like we interupted his personal convo with questo... excuse us.
Dec 17th 2006
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           i've replied to everyone..
Dec 17th 2006
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shut the fuck up
Dec 17th 2006
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none taken
Dec 17th 2006
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RE: Re:re: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!
Dec 18th 2006
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RE: Re:re: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!
Dec 18th 2006
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      RE: Re:re: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!
Dec 18th 2006
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           Time will tell-- Bob Marley
Dec 18th 2006
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RE: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!
Dec 20th 2006
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RE: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!
Dec 20th 2006
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I don't think a cameo would do much
Dec 20th 2006
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RE: I don't think a cameo would do much
Dec 20th 2006
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      why do you keep saying GT was bland like is some kind of fact
Dec 20th 2006
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           Its an opinion, but its not my own
Dec 21st 2006
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                you really are retarded
Dec 22nd 2006
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                     I normally dont stoop to the name calling level.. it aint that serious
Dec 23rd 2006
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                          well, im done replying to your posts
Dec 23rd 2006
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payton34
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Fri Dec-15-06 08:17 PM

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1. "RE: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"
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my lryical gymnastics will flip you like an ante jamima flapjack, now how bout that

ya hip hop is tying and thats they r in europe rockin it to thousands of people night after night a whole ocean acrose from philly. I HOPE YOU WHERE JOKEING.

  

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iKilan
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Fri Dec-15-06 11:06 PM

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2. "I'm talking about albums, dog.."
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no jokes.

I obviously said they're eating and killing on tour.

They pull out all the stops live and on tour. they show out and put on a spectacular show. they know all the right beats to play, great solos, thought goes nuts ( though i wish he'd do a no hands and freestyle here and there).


I'm talking about making singles, and albums, etc.

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3. "maybe if they work with the lean wit it rock wit it boyz"
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iKilan
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Fri Dec-15-06 11:30 PM

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4. "I aint gonna say go that far but there are Hop pop"
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artist they could work with


but thats really not it.

they need to bring people abord their ship, and rock there track, on their album.

and base up the tracks a lil bit on some craig mack shit.

there are ways to do it without loosing musical credibility and fucking up the box set.

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payton34
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66. "RE: maybe if they work with the lean wit it rock wit it boyz"
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my lryical gymnastics will flip you like an ante jamima flapjack, now how bout that
and slap on a pair of stunna shades

  

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payton34
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65. "RE: I'm talking about albums, dog.."
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my lryical gymnastics will flip you like an ante jamima flapjack, now how bout that

I def see your point but whats wrong with people saying 20 years from now that those cats where one of the hardest working bands of there time and def the best hip hop show out there. Thats something to be more than proud of as a fan or as a member of the band/crew

  

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MuZiK Macks
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Fri Dec-15-06 11:44 PM

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5. "You are wack for not liking Game Theory"
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you must not like music

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iKilan
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Fri Dec-15-06 11:58 PM

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6. "The shit was borning.."
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Maybe it will grow on me....but so far it hasnt.

Thought is getting redundant. the beats were eh...I'm still giving it a chance.

it doesnt compare to DYWM, Illa, TFA, or even Phren. Sorry.

there a couple banging tracks, just like on TTP

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MuZiK Macks
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9. "no it doesnt compare to their past cause its so far ahead"
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im telling you, and i dont mean to knock you, but a dislike for that album is ignorance in music. That album sounds like what Hip Hop should sound like in 2006 instead of this cookie cut formula that we have played out for 10 years. they made hip hop that no one can recreate, while most these cats are still just trying to exploit the same old formula (and yes I love this formular to death, but hip hop has not musically budged for 10 whole years!)

I do understand tho why people wouldnt like this record, but i DO think its a lack of understanding of the record rather than it being musically/artistically inferior to anything else they have done. I do understand what you mean on the Black Though tip cause his voice and flow doesnt stand out as much anymore, but his lyrics are still hard, its just that the flow that most of roots fans love and miss was really more of an interpretation of a Das EFX flow (lol), rather than thought's own, and now he has truly grown into his own interms of his style as an MC. its one that in my opinion requires you to pay attention rather than one that makes you pay attention, much like their music. They arent catering to the lowest common denominator like many artists are (not saying they ever were, but they definitely stepped up the expectation of their fans musical appriciation or knowlege on this one, which is why many cats dont understand it).

all im saying, the second game theory grows on you, it will be your favorite album of their catelog. It blows my mind everytime i listen to it

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boyd
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11. "RE: i definitely agree with u!!!"
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>all im saying, the second game theory grows on you, it will be
>your favorite album of their catelog. It blows my mind
>everytime i listen to it

every time i am listening there is something new buzzing in my ear musically as well as lyrically.

it's up there as the best hip hop album of '06, but what do i know i am someone who digs the phrenology (and not because of the seeds) as well as diggin' common's electric circus (and not because of come close)

i have loved for artist(s) who goes beyond their limitation and pushes and pushes. it is sad that 'music is not inspiring' (c) of lauryn hill. i still believe an artist can still inspired musically and lyrically, but in the state of music today, too many people are looking for a hit, now, instead of crafting their skills. it is also sad that rap, the hip hop culture is being treated as a disposable commodity, instead of more, because hip hop is more!

  

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13. "you say "boring""
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i say "mature"
dont worry....shit will hit you later.
but lol @ "beats"

"beats"

im tryna make "music"

not "beats"

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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no great pretender
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15. "'beats' lol good point"
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game theory was nice. I love playing it and the intensity it has musically and emotionally is mature and raw. So refreshing

  

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iKilan
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16. "Quest you gotta find that medium, dude.."
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Ya'll made Musical BEATS with Voodo...

shit even for Badu.


Ya'll did it on LWFC

Why can ya'll knock too.

Maxwell, sade, Meshell, they are all extremely musical with beats that are infinite. they keep going.

You were just as musical on pervious albums but shit wasnt as sleepy as GT. its a decent album, but ya'll can go harder. you an Knuckles get ILL in the shows, but on this album...zzzzzzzzz

I'm still playing it but its not growing on me so far.

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20. "my whole career has been on this quest yo"
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if i knew the answer i woulda been had it.

but one day you gonna understand that success has EVERYTHING to do with image and not just "beats"

well marketing too...

but you naming artists whose image has helmed them to an amount of success.

im about to go onstage but...

ill finish later

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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iKilan
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25. "To me, and this is all opinion... from the outside looking in"
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granted.


But I'm saying this not to hate, clown, or dog you as an artist. I Hold you HIGHLY as a musician. One of the best, no doubt. IN that i see what ya'll can do. I see how you can pick out the right song in a show to move a crowd, and dj-ing too. you KNOW music.

You know which song with beats to make people go ape shit, you know how to remix your own shit, but you NEVER give that affect anywhere on your (current)albums accept 1-2 song.

plus ya'll never allow people to adapt to one sound, you move around to a whole different group on each album. you can build a fan base. you know how shady okayplayers are on supporting groups.

all the people i named before make GOOD music, but they had a few tricks and images and allowed it to stick for a minute, then they evolved once people started to fade off.

all i'm saying is keep making music, keep pushing the envelope but do some tricks, show off, base that shit up, bring your industry friends into the act on a couple albums.

you aint gotta get shot, or battle jigga or whatever.

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MuZiK Macks
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29. "wtf"
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dude, you are so fully of shit its almost amazing lol

wow

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iKilan
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32. "aight.. i'll be that."
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i stand by what i'm saying.

you cant front though.. when the Roots show out, you wild out too.

and you cant say the songs i listed arent bangers


and you also cant say you wouldnt want to hear them with some other artist.

the only thing you can really disagree on is that GT was boring. I aint mad at that. i know some people liked it. too me along with def jams promotion this was the biggest 06 disappointment.

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MuZiK Macks
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34. "but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old"
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i mean, thats the thing with alot of cats askin for kweli to do blackstar and reflection eternal, or mos BOBS, or the roots TFA, is that all that shit that everyone misses is 8 years old at least (granted not everything you listed was that old but you see my point). who were you 8 years ago, and how easy would it be for you to be that person again. The Roots have grown considerably.

i dont know, my previous post was just internet bravado lol (yeah it comes out from time to time). My main issue is that, yeah, this album isnt very marketable because it doesnt have singles really, and thats what i like about it, nothing was forced. Its like a book, where you gotta enjoy the whole thing, not just individual chapters, and i think the people that dont like this album are the people that love the singles (nothing wrong with that, and i dont mean radio single, i mean that individual songs out shined the project as a whole, which is how MANY albums in todays market are made). The Roots made a full package album, in the true sense of what an album is supposed to be like, or at least how they used to be made in the 60s n shit.

I dont know, i mean i think we can agree to disagree, and I do respect your opinion even though ive been hatin since i saw this thread started (lol), and I do think that it would work in terms of sales and being more successful business wise, but it wouldnt in my opinion be much of an artistic achievement, because it wouldnt be that hard to do. Game Theory I think was a much more difficult album to create than the album you are sort of suggesting.

Just please, give game theory time, and listen to it from start to finish everytime (not saying you dont, but just in case). I do understand why someone wouldnt feel it, but I swear, the second it clicks, it will be your favorite album

sorry I wrote so much lol

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iKilan
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35. "RE: but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old"
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>i mean, thats the thing with alot of cats askin for kweli to
>do blackstar and reflection eternal, or mos BOBS, or the roots
>TFA, is that all that shit that everyone misses is 8 years old
>at least (granted not everything you listed was that old but
>you see my point). who were you 8 years ago, and how easy
>would it be for you to be that person again. The Roots have
>grown considerably.
>
>i dont know, my previous post was just internet bravado lol
>(yeah it comes out from time to time). My main issue is that,
>yeah, this album isnt very marketable because it doesnt have
>singles really, and thats what i like about it, nothing was
>forced. Its like a book, where you gotta enjoy the whole
>thing, not just individual chapters, and i think the people
>that dont like this album are the people that love the singles
>(nothing wrong with that, and i dont mean radio single, i mean
>that individual songs out shined the project as a whole, which
>is how MANY albums in todays market are made). The Roots made
>a full package album, in the true sense of what an album is
>supposed to be like, or at least how they used to be made in
>the 60s n shit.
>
>I dont know, i mean i think we can agree to disagree, and I do
>respect your opinion even though ive been hatin since i saw
>this thread started (lol), and I do think that it would work
>in terms of sales and being more successful business wise, but
>it wouldnt in my opinion be much of an artistic achievement,
>because it wouldnt be that hard to do. Game Theory I think was
>a much more difficult album to create than the album you are
>sort of suggesting.
>
>Just please, give game theory time, and listen to it from
>start to finish everytime (not saying you dont, but just in
>case). I do understand why someone wouldnt feel it, but I
>swear, the second it clicks, it will be your favorite album
>

Just like ya'll think Game theory is ahead of its time, i think the earlier songs either fit the time frame formula perfectly or they were ahead of their time.

However with game theory, i appreciate some songs, but thoughts flow is mad redundant now. quest jokes about him rhyming with his back to us, and basically thats what hes doing. its tired. Its not as progressive as it used to be. He needs to flip his vocals, and clown like he does on stage or in rehearsals and all that, instead of walking throw dull video or spitting a rhyme like hes done it 1 billion times. I love that thought gave a greater perspective lyrically, but he didnt do anything to spice that shit up.

they need to musically incorporate more hard knock beats into their albums instead of just the shows and mix it with the art, it can and has been done by them and others.

they are not revolutionizing anything, and they are not playing the GAME.


Straight up i respect how youre approaching this now, and the thought youre putting into this.


>sorry I wrote so much lol

Nah, folks this is all good. respect.


agree or disagree. much respect due.

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MuZiK Macks
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36. "RE: but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old"
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but if they were a head of their time then, is it realy a good idea to fall back to present time now?

i feel what you are saying tho, and im not saying they are revolutionizing anything, but i do feel that artistically, game theory is waht hip hop should be sounding like now, because if the majority of albums that dropped last week came out 5 years ago, you wouldnt be able to really see the progression at all. I think in many respects i could be overanalizing what it is you are asking for, but to me, game theory was the first time where hip hop suprised me. yeah the past 10 years have had an amazing ammount of incredible records, but it has really become predictable. you feel me? up until this point in hip hop, people were evolving the techniques of how a beat was made or how a lyric was contructed, and we sorta reached the top of the technology, so no one has anything new to offer. That why im so passionate about this record, because musically, the roots came in on some totally different shit. i have NEVER heard anything like it. ever.

I do agree tho on your complaints about riq. but my thing was that it seemed like it fit with what they were going for so i didnt knock em for it. it blends in with the music instead of commanding you to listen to him like alot of his older songs were like. I do feel you tho, I just think it worked well. I also listen to more than the lyrics and delivery, for me this album was much more musically driven, which is probebly why this post started in the first place, cause we all have are favorite aspects. I mean i love lyrics and all a that, but I am a musician, and a producer so after i get through the lyrics im usually paying closer attention to that instead of just thought.

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38. "RE: but im saying your suggestions are 8 years old"
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From what i read quest tetters on whether he was just critical acclaim and mainstream success. shit who wouldnt want a both? my thing is go get.

atleast on one album. bring it to the masses. they tried on Phren, but pop-rock, for a hip hop band....wtf?! and i dont even wanna talk about break you off and dont say nothing.(scott fucked them)
Game theory is NOT where hip hop should be, just like that snap music bullshit isnt.

granted i'd rather game theory anyday

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42. "ouch"
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lol

first off, phren was a "fuck you" to the media, at least according to ?uest. everything on that album is unconventional to the roots style

and yeah storch's post 2000 shit is wack.

I think at this point we can pretty much agree to disagree, but I did enjoy this argument lol. But I still think when your ears mature, game theory will knock you out

and yeah your ideas WILL work most likely to get them more successful, but wouldnt that be a degree of selling out?

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43. "No disrespect... but I'mmusically mature"
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I can work with everything else, and your opinions, but i I feel a lil way about you think i havent matured musically. You have no bases on my musical taste other than how i'm approaching The Roots.

Its not about musical maturity. I know music, folk. I listen to everything from Fela to Janis Joplin to Gregory issacs back to Lil Weezy and Amerie to Pantera.

I know music folk. I Love music. I appreciate Alot of things the Roots do. I defend artist like bilal and thicke on a regular basis, but at the same time you have to know how to get your medium to the masses, and not become a great postumous artist.

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49. "word my bad"
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thats good to hear, just this post sounded like some newbie backpacker still-in-high-school shit to me lol. but yeah my bad

agree to disagree

but i still think this album will grow on you

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50. "Overstood. its all good."
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lol

though i think a less experienced person wouldnt have gon into such detail and would have been on some

THIS IS WACK! take it back to 94. The roots fells off.

this is far from that.

and i'm a keep listening. i like a few joints but its not on constant rotation.

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51. "good point"
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lol

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24. "you are a producer...."
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not a beatmaker

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52. "seriously"
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every hip hop act does "beats". I think there should be a lot more bands in it and you guys should try to distance yourself from "beats" as much as possible. If anything that'll get you mainstream exposure, emphasising the instrumentation and musicianship.

  

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55. "RE: seriously"
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>every hip hop act does "beats". I think there should be a lot
>more bands in it and you guys should try to distance yourself
>from "beats" as much as possible. If anything that'll get you
>mainstream exposure, emphasising the instrumentation and
>musicianship.


My whole thing is that a BAND can make beats, and the roots have done a couple albums on the strength of just some band shit. Its time to change it up again.

There can be a successful combination of both. Solid band music + Knocking Beat= Instant "success"

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53. "this kid aint that mature"
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trust me. he thinks racism is ok, until you start opressing someone. wtf?

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54. "lol.."
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woooooow

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56. "hey I aint making this up right"
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you got a lot to learn kid. I know you listen to pantera and fela and jeezy, you so diverse but that dont mean you mature and shit. No one mature would tell me calling a person a "chink" is allright. now continue on with this mess of a post.

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57. "send me an email, fam."
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58. "check your inbox"
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64. "RE: You are wack for not liking Game Theory"
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my lryical gymnastics will flip you like an ante jamima flapjack, now how bout that

word.

  

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7. "didnt you post this in the lesson a while ago...?"
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and didnt we conclude that every album they lose some fans, but gain new ones so you cant please everyone...?

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10. "it was along the same lines"
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and no WE didnt..

and that excuse is lame

its not impossible to loose a few and gain more, instead of loosing a whole group and gaining a new group.

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8. "re: VA STAND UP!!!"
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>( VA stand up)

and game theory is hot son, one of the roots best imo

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12. "actually reading this post a second time..."
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im sorta disgusted by it fam, game theory is The Perfect Roots album, and all your suggestions are played out and lose site of the music for some commercialized nonesense. granted yeah it will probebly get them higher sales cause it would be catering to a lower common denominator, but I personally wouldnt want them to compromise their talent for numbers.

I dont want the Roots to make music for their fans, I want them to make music for themselves, and if the fans cant grow with em then yall need to step your musical appriciation game up or whatever. The roots havent been falling off, yall have (although I do agree that the tipping point, although had some high points, was not a very good album imo).

but yeah read my reply tho (post 9 or something), and for the record, I have been a Roots Fan for a long time, and im not some newbie who was only put on to GT (not saying you suggested it, but im just saying)

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18. "How about make music for both of us..."
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fans and them.

something both groups can chew on.

those song that i listed above stand the test of time, put them against anyone in the game right now and they could hang.

In 20 more years those will be the song remember

along with the notic, and silent treatment, panic, distortion static, and all that.


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19. "But Game Theory is Ahead of its time"
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just cause you cant hear it yet doesnt mean that they should change what they are doing.

in 20 years, Game theory will be the album you will be remembering

and yeah all the songs you listed are dope, but they are in the past, the music has grown exponentially since then. You are, quite literally, asking the roots to dumb down their sound. chew on that

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48. "Holla at me in 20 years"
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14. "in the least pretentious tone I can muster"
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I think "cameos," especially big name ones are what is holding back modern rap albums as art pieces. It even made me a little uneasy on Game Theory, but when it was in the hooks I didn't mind as much, and I understand when using em to show a pal or protege some publicity. But it definitely breaks the flow of a great rap album to hear new voices on each or even some tracks. then It's just a mixtape. It even butches the beauty of the jacket art to see half the song titles be followed by a set of parentheses.

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17. "There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent"
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making bad music.

just because youre commercial doesnt mean you make wack music. that ideal is bullshit.

Quest will play the game to an extent.. why not try to play it in a new fashion and straddle the fence. you dont have to sell out, just get people on the wagon, then sell em on YOUR art.

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23. "RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent"
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i wasn't arguing against you per say, just against the popularity of camoes on rap albums in the last decade.

But I think ?uest doesn't need to do tricks. Anyone who sees him live is plenty impressed, at his direction, and the solo. They're converting fans daily, its the trouble of letting those fans know when a new album is out and that its worth buying. Not ?uest's responisibility, he has enough on his plate.

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27. "RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent"
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>i wasn't arguing against you per say, just against the
>popularity of camoes on rap albums in the last decade.
>

C'mon fam, How often are people going ape shit over so and so doing a song with so and so.

That shit still draws attention, but it doesnt matter unless its fone right.

plus, when you got the right collabo it hightens the level of the song. That colab shit is still extremely valid on hip hop music.

>But I think ?uest doesn't need to do tricks. Anyone who sees
>him live is plenty impressed, at his direction, and the solo.
>They're converting fans daily, its the trouble of letting
>those fans know when a new album is out and that its worth
>buying. Not ?uest's responisibility, he has enough on his
>plate.


Again, i've mentioned how well he does live. We all know how great he is as a musician, same as kirk on the ask, thought as a lyricist, etc.But the shit they do live doesnt translate on wax anymore. to me, that shit stopped at TFA. Phren grew on me, but thats was kind of a jump the shark moment.

Promotion is key, but its not EVERYthing.

they could have taken shit much further with TTP if they went with Web as a street single, STAR as the first single, and stay cool as a follow up. it was just good music and exactly what people are looking for and want from the roots. but i aint even gonna go into depth about my speculations on that.

If they get peoples attention with the tricks that will be their PR. some times you gotta slap the machine or oil it up to get it rolling for you. that part is up to the roots.

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37. "RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent"
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jumped the shark? Each Roots album has been significantly different from the one before and after it. So, i don't see how they could jump the shark. I don't agree with pretty much anything you're saying.

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39. "RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent"
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>jumped the shark? Each Roots album has been significantly
>different from the one before and after it. So, i don't see
>how they could jump the shark. I don't agree with pretty much
>anything you're saying.

that totally different shit has its pro's and cons. after Illa they stop developing a steady fan base. they were all over the place.

and yes they jumped the shark with phren, they been trying to find the right recipe ever since then experimenting SO hard, and trying to please this and that person that they skipped the shit right under their nose.

you cannot tell me that TTP or Game compare to DYWM, IH, TFA, even the Legend EP.

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40. "RE: There is a way to bring in the names of cats who arent"
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I think they do. Wanna fight about it? Every album and ups and downs, every album was great. in my opinion. truly. The fan base has absolutely increased since illa. I picture you like the guy on Mad Money, throwing roots cds up in the air and lighting your hair on fire

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41. "Fight!? son, i hold heat."
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i shoot niggas over the roots.

*takes my ass back to GD*

i prefer the message board gansters there

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68. "RE: Fight!? son, i hold heat."
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you sir, are a twit

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69. "I'll take that shit too,,"
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i mean you taking it to "want to fight about it"


Man just giving my point of view, youre the pussyhole with her panties in a bunch over a suggestion

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21. "I don't understand this post"
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22. "lol"
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thats probebly the best thing to do

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26. "the person i'm aiming it at does."
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if i posted this shit in the lesson or GD more people would.

so dont sweat it. it aint about you.

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28. "looks like we interupted his personal convo with questo... excuse us."
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33. "i've replied to everyone.."
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but just because HE didnt get me didnt mean the main person, or others wouldnt.

im in OKartist, so i knew i'd catch flack for this, but.. i'll take some lumps

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30. "shut the fuck up"
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(no offense)

  

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44. "RE: Re:re: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"
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I used to think that blowing shit up onstage and beating up groupies who ask too many questions was what bands do. But I am seriously debating the " Sellout theory ". Is it cool to sellout stadiums or just the artform itself. I dunno, Ive been out of the game for too long to speak for a band that is still in the game. So I am stuck in my measly little world, made out of gold and uh,, cant be sold. I have one request tho, a nice guitar solo would prolly shoot yall to Numba One , ATAB (Aint that a Bitch?) :|

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45. "RE: Re:re: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"
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>I used to think that blowing shit up onstage and beating up
>groupies who ask too many questions was what bands do. But I
>am seriously debating the " Sellout theory ". Is it cool to
>sellout stadiums or just the artform itself. I dunno, Ive been
>out of the game for too long to speak for a band that is still
>in the game. So I am stuck in my measly little world, made out
>of gold and uh,, cant be sold. I have one request tho, a nice
>guitar solo would prolly shoot yall to Numba One , ATAB (Aint
>that a Bitch?) :|


I'm not talking about selling out. I'm just talking adding, as ?uest calls it: " Look ma no hands", tricks to the show, and feed the machine more of what they want.

I'm not saying give up all integrity just hype that shit up a lil more. They were playing with the Game on Phren, and TTP with the hooks and shit, and they labled this shit Game Theory, and tried to go with the whole show thoughts deeper lyricism and all that.. ok... closest thing to working was Phren..

now combine ALL of that shit, and "Look ma, No hands" thats shit and watch set a Roots movement into motion is what i'm saying.

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46. "RE: Re:re: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"
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Yea ,i know what you mean. But when it comes down to it,integrity gets taxed just like brand new sneaks. I am just waiting on the Hip Hop hero to tap into my inner Al Green and write a song with a bridge,hook,and chorus that match the damn video. You feel me on this ? If not I must be too old to lock heads on all this. I highly suggest someone do something crazy like crash a Ferrari and at least make it on MTV News. Otherwise Justin Timberlake will continue to WRECK R and B's only chance for resurrection. I will get better at sticking to the point when i blog. Sorry for not having faith in Cakewalk music programs and high gloss promo packs. Enough with the backpack bloggin..............I predict Erykah wins Best Alternative Rock/Rap category,,, ATAB (Aint that a Bitch) Holla back,,,,,,,,

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47. "Time will tell-- Bob Marley"
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59. "RE: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"
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First, these cats have doing what they do for 20+ years!

Second, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what makes the roots different from all of those cats you mentioned that they should stick on their records, their records are like $20 concert flyers. the goal is to get you to nod your head enough to say "damn, what would this sound like live?" and all those tricks you lookin for, they pull them out at every live show! have you ever been to a roots show?

sure the acclaim would be great, but at what cost? son, the way hip hop is going now days, acclaim is measured by the amount of BS that piles up on your CD, or the amount of ass you got in your video.


Roots 101: Never Do What They Do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNxURYNBuQo


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60. "RE: ?uest love, do some mufuckin tricks man!"
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>First, these cats have doing what they do for 20+ years!
>
>Second, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what makes the roots
>different from all of those cats you mentioned that they
>should stick on their records, their records are like $20
>concert flyers. the goal is to get you to nod your head enough
>to say "damn, what would this sound like live?" and all those
>tricks you lookin for, they pull them out at every live show!
>have you ever been to a roots show?
>


yes.. i've been to a roots show, thats how i was able to say they need to take from their show and put into their albums.

>sure the acclaim would be great, but at what cost? son, the
>way hip hop is going now days, acclaim is measured by the
>amount of BS that piles up on your CD, or the amount of ass
>you got in your video.
>
>

The cost of nothing. If they do what they do in their shows, on an album, then they would still be artsy, just provide more head nodding and win more fans.


>Roots 101: Never Do What They Do!
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNxURYNBuQo

Son, even ?uest said they been off that never do shit. They need to do more of what they did in the video. compare that video to what Break you off, dont say nothing or the seed. that video was hot for its satire and tricks.

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61. "I don't think a cameo would do much"
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And it'd probably be expensive.

The great thing about the Roots is that they attract fans that aren't even of the hip hop audience. I know plenty of folks who don't like hip hop but love the Roots. I also know plenty of hip hop heads that love the Roots. If you don't let them do them, then they'll foresake the fans they've got. Like HV said, they lose and gain fans with every album, but they certainly don't foresake them. They're growing and evolving. And to be honest, if they stayed static and did one DYWM after another, I might start yawning (AND have less appreciation for DYWM -- which is one of my favorite albums -- than I do now).

Plus, do you actually think another DYWM would sell today? Hell no. Game Theory may not have sold a shitload of units (*I* think because of faulty publicity, not because the album wasn't marketable) but it's sure a mature album and you can still dance to it too.

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62. "RE: I don't think a cameo would do much"
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>And it'd probably be expensive.
>
>The great thing about the Roots is that they attract fans that
>aren't even of the hip hop audience. I know plenty of folks
>who don't like hip hop but love the Roots. I also know plenty
>of hip hop heads that love the Roots. If you don't let them do
>them, then they'll foresake the fans they've got. Like HV
>said, they lose and gain fans with every album, but they
>certainly don't foresake them. They're growing and evolving.
>And to be honest, if they stayed static and did one DYWM after
>another, I might start yawning (AND have less appreciation for
>DYWM -- which is one of my favorite albums -- than I do now).
>
>Plus, do you actually think another DYWM would sell today?
>Hell no. Game Theory may not have sold a shitload of units
>(*I* think because of faulty publicity, not because the album
>wasn't marketable) but it's sure a mature album and you can
>still dance to it too.


Its not about just the cameos. its about the fomula of the entire albums, the chemistry, and catching the publics attention. The old fans, current fans, and new found fans.

the roots only catter to one of those groups at a time, and thats where they fuck up.



Nah I dont think DYWM would sell today.. however, i do think an album with that much passion and freshness behind it would. That album makes you say ohh and ahhh so many times its rediculous. The catchiness of proceed. the intro, concept, and lyrics of Silent treatment, the fun and originality of essaywhah man and Dat skat. The headnod value of mellow my man.... yo...It wasnt just because they fused the jazz, the album was just GOOD. It had replay value.

TTP and Game theory dont

**excluding certain songs.
No it didnt sell PARTIALLY because of marketing, and because the people are still buying music, didnt like it. it was bland.

there isnt one song that you throw on in a club, party, bar, etc except dont feel right, and even that dont feel right. I know its no that kind of album. dont get me wrong, but it needed more behind it including more kick and more promotion.

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63. "why do you keep saying GT was bland like is some kind of fact"
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the majority of OKP disagrees with you.

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67. "Its an opinion, but its not my own"
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it doesnt compare to the other albums, period..

Of course ya'll feel that way here(Artists). you talking majority like thats a fact, its not. show me stats on that.

People talking about how promotion killed the album. Bullshit. Dont feel right got its chance on the radio and flopped. why, because it was a boring song. simple and plain. it dissappointed me from gate. when it grew on me, it didnt last long. Dont say nothing stuck with me longer than that.

the album doesnt have much replay value. i force myself to keep listening. same thing happened with my coworks. they all returned the album to me disappointed.


Its an album, and peole have seperate opinion.

the FACT lies in the sales and the buzz about the album. Its lack luster.

The roots tours arent popping because of the Albums generating fan base. its poppin because the roots put on a great fucking show, and their a great band.

They need to make an album that can get ALL their fand on ONE FUCKING ALBUM.

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70. "you really are retarded"
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> it doesnt compare to the other albums, period..
>
>Of course ya'll feel that way here(Artists). you talking
>majority like thats a fact, its not. show me stats on that.

you're asking for statistics on how good an album is? Well, music is ENTIRELY subjective... but here you go since you asked for it: http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/roots/gametheory?q=game%20theory
(24th highest rated album of the year)



>People talking about how promotion killed the album. Bullshit.
>Dont feel right got its chance on the radio and flopped. why,
>because it was a boring song. simple and plain. it
>dissappointed me from gate. when it grew on me, it didnt last
>long. Dont say nothing stuck with me longer than that.

yeah, it had nothing to do with the fact that the video aired exclusively on VH1 Soul, a network not many people have.

>the album doesnt have much replay value. i force myself to
>keep listening. same thing happened with my coworks. they all
>returned the album to me disappointed.
>
>
>Its an album, and peole have seperate opinion.

this is correct. if you and your buddies didnt like the album, thats on you. you are absolutely entitled to your opinions.

>the FACT lies in the sales and the buzz about the album. Its
>lack luster.

what kind of dumbass equates music quality to album sales... especially in a year where music sales are heavily on the incline.
this is probably the most ignorant comment someone can make on a music messageboard, congrats- here's your L.


>The roots tours arent popping because of the Albums generating
>fan base. its poppin because the roots put on a great fucking
>show, and their a great band.
>
>They need to make an album that can get ALL their fand on ONE
>FUCKING ALBUM.

that will NEVER happen considering each album they pull a 180. Their fanbase is so diverse because all their albums drew people in a different group of people- so they know that not all of their fans dig all of their albums. But you are acting really selfish by whining to questo to go in the direction you want them to, not taking into account that they are fully aware of how diverse their fanbase truly is and that every album they make wont please everyone.

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71. "I normally dont stoop to the name calling level.. it aint that serious"
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but let the retard level you.

>> it doesnt compare to the other albums, period..
>>
>>Of course ya'll feel that way here(Artists). you talking
>>majority like thats a fact, its not. show me stats on that.
>
>you're asking for statistics on how good an album is? Well,
>music is ENTIRELY subjective... but here you go since you
>asked for it:
>http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/roots/gametheory?q=game%20theory
>(24th highest rated album of the year)
>
>
>

what does this have to do with the other albums?

thats compared to the albums that came out this year.

you could put in the argumrent that people make that music isnt what it used to be.. golden era, classic era blah blah blah.

>>People talking about how promotion killed the album.
>Bullshit.
>>Dont feel right got its chance on the radio and flopped.
>why,
>>because it was a boring song. simple and plain. it
>>dissappointed me from gate. when it grew on me, it didnt
>last
>>long. Dont say nothing stuck with me longer than that.
>



>yeah, it had nothing to do with the fact that the video aired
>exclusively on VH1 Soul, a network not many people have.
>


why did it air exclusively there? because it didnt strike well with the masses like it was suposed too. i know this isnt always the case, sometimes good music gets pigeoned holed.

my opinion is that Dont feel right didnt have what it needed to catch peoples attention to get on MTV or BET etc. The video was boring. the long wasnt that catchy and bland. its not a horrible song, but the roots could do better.


>>the FACT lies in the sales and the buzz about the album. Its
>>lack luster.
>
>what kind of dumbass equates music quality to album sales...
>especially in a year where music sales are heavily on the
>incline.
>this is probably the most ignorant comment someone can make on
>a music messageboard, congrats- here's your L.
>
>

I said sales and BUZZ, bobo. That means that If people like it, and know about it, people will buy it. Also, if people like it, people will talk about it.

the biggest promoter in music is word of mouth. when shit leaks and people LIKE it, the masses like it, the buzz fuels it. Take Lupe for example. Well when game theory leaked.... that buzz didnt start...why... because the shit wasnt that hot. it was good.. but not that shit that grabbed anyone more than okp's.

Sales matter in hip hop. Its not EVERYthing, but its speaks volumes.

why was common hyped when BE sold? or ?uest when TFA and DYWM went gold? because sales matter.

you want to reach more people and make more money with your your art. fuck that sale out shit. people want to pack shows, and sale albums with good music.

I am well aware that good music doesnt always sale or sale right away. some times you gotta ham up good music and get peoples attention

but we can do the mo betta blues argument all day.

>>The roots tours arent popping because of the Albums
>generating
>>fan base. its poppin because the roots put on a great
>fucking
>>show, and their a great band.
>>
>>They need to make an album that can get ALL their fand on
>ONE
>>FUCKING ALBUM.
>
>that will NEVER happen considering each album they pull a 180.
> Their fanbase is so diverse because all their albums drew
>people in a different group of people- so they know that not
>all of their fans dig all of their albums. But you are acting
>really selfish by whining to questo to go in the direction you
>want them to, not taking into account that they are fully
>aware of how diverse their fanbase truly is and that every
>album they make wont please everyone.

if you say so.

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72. "well, im done replying to your posts"
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because you didnt say one thing in that reply that was accurate.

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