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okaydebbie
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"Enter the Haters: John Pareles Reiviews Bonnaroo and Hates on Questlove...."


  

          

What did he do to those guys at the New York Times???!!!
So often so unkind...

June 16, 2007, 2:30 pm
Bonnaroo: Late Night Led Zep Medleys and Passed-out Fans
By Jon Pareles

MANCHESTER, TENN.–

Bonnaroo’s late nights are bewildering. After the headline set, the mid-level jam bands vamp into the night. The same fields where I’ve been wandering all day are now unevenly lighted and populated by more or less vertical dancers, seated groups and sacked-out people who peaked too early to get back to their campgrounds. It’s a tribute to the courtesy of Bonnaroo’s audience that more people don’t wake up with footprints on them.

And then there are the crowds, like the one I’m now standing in at the Other Tent for Superjam: Ahmir (?uestlove) Thompson from the Roots on drums, Ben Harper on slide guitar and none other than John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin on bass. One of the loudest roars all day went up when they started a Zep medley with a recognizable “Dazed and Confused.” But replacing Robert Plant and Jimmy Page with Mr. Harper changes things toward wah-wah and rootsy slide parts, while Mr. Jones is more than willing to toy with his old parts. The trio veered toward a P-Funk riff.

Mr. Thompson’s snappy drumming, in rock and funk, has partly atoned for the Roots’ earlier set. Instead of playing songs from the Roots’ long album catalog, they filibustered: first with an overextended version of their remake of Bob Dylan’s “Masters of War”–the beginning is sung to the tune of “The Star-Spangled Banner”–and then with Mr. Thompson singing “Roxanne.” Not a snippet or a hip-hop revision, but the whole song. They could have left that to the Police tomorrow–or, actually, later today.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/bonnaroo-late-night-led-zep-medleys-and-passed-out-fans/

  

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RE: Enter the Haters: John Pareles Reiviews Bonnaroo and Hates on Questl...
Jun 17th 2007
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this dude is complaining about Masters of War and Roxanne
Jun 17th 2007
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RE: this dude is complaining about Masters of War and Roxanne
Jun 17th 2007
3
lol....im a grown man dog.
Jun 17th 2007
4
You right, they're tripping, the performance was sick.
Jun 17th 2007
5
RE: lol....im a grown man dog.
Jun 17th 2007
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RE: lol....im a grown man dog.
Jun 17th 2007
7
They had More Fish up there, too!
Jun 17th 2007
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RE: lol....im a grown man dog.
Jun 18th 2007
10
ouch...
Jun 21st 2007
25
i'd honestly rather they play the whole song than...
Jun 17th 2007
9
i's mad and i got revenge
Jun 21st 2007
11
nice response.
Jun 21st 2007
12
well played!
Jun 21st 2007
13
niice response indeed
Jun 21st 2007
14
RE: i's mad and i got revenge
Jun 21st 2007
15
RE: i's mad and i got revenge
Jun 21st 2007
18
*edit*
Jun 21st 2007
28
someone got served
Jun 21st 2007
16
RE: i's mad and i got revenge
Jun 21st 2007
21
hah, DIGG IT
Jun 21st 2007
23
RE: i's mad and i got revenge
Jun 21st 2007
26
well-played. you're my hero, man...n/m
Jun 21st 2007
27
"tiger.. UP-PERCUT!!!"
Jun 21st 2007
29
game.........blouses
Jun 22nd 2007
30
kudos, young man
Jun 22nd 2007
32
ethered
Jun 22nd 2007
33
Get Him Dog!
Jun 22nd 2007
34
Oh hell yeah
Jun 21st 2007
17
is there video of original performance?
Jun 21st 2007
19
Video footage of MOW at Bonnaroo
Jun 21st 2007
20
of course it's ok
Jun 21st 2007
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      RE: of course it's ok
Jun 21st 2007
24
I want 15 on my debating team.
Jun 22nd 2007
31

theAbominable
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1. "RE: Enter the Haters: John Pareles Reiviews Bonnaroo and Hates on Questl..."
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Roots hate aside, the swipe above is a poor piece of writing - let alone a poor review. This swipe gives a slightly more favorable evaluation of the all-star jam....

Tool, all-star Zeppelin jam highlight Bonnaroo day 1
By Jonathan Cohen Sat Jun 16, 11:58 PM ET

MANCHESTER, Tennessee (Billboard) - A headlining performance from quirky hard rock act Tool and a once-in-a-lifetime jam session between Led Zeppelin bassist
John Paul Jones, guitarist
Ben Harper and drummer ?uestlove highlighted the first full day (June 15) of the Bonnaroo festival, which has drawn 80,000 people to rural Manchester, Tennessee.

Tool drew a massive crowd to the main stage for a set heavy on material from the band's latest album, "10,000 Days," including the single "The Pot," as well as older hits such as "Stinkfist" and "Schism." Rage Against the Machine guitarist
Tom Morello joined the group near the end of its set for "Lateralus" and conjured a tornado of sound from his instrument. Earlier, frontman Maynard James Keenan teased the dusty, dirty audience by gloating about the hot shower he had taken. "Thank you for putting up with our cynical attitudes," he said near the end of the performance.

As midnight passed, Jones, Harper and ?uestlove treated an amped-up, overflow crowd at the Other Tent to frequently jaw-dropping jams on Led Zeppelin's "When the Levee Breaks," "Good Times, Bad Times" and "Dazed and Confused," the latter a 25-minute epic that drove the audience into hysterics. The impromptu trio also covered Marvin Gaye's "Inner City Blues" and
Stevie Wonder's "Superstition," the later with the help of Roots guitarist
Kirk Douglas.

DJ Shadow held down the fort in the This Tent during a set that began after 2 a.m. The artist mixed and matched elements from throughout his song catalogue, on one number laying the vocal melody from "Six Days" atop the hip-hop beats of "Walkie Talkie." Other highlights included "Changeling," from Shadow's acclaimed 1996 debut, "Endtroducing," and "3 Freaks," the first single from his 2006 release "The Outsider."

Friday also featured performances from the Roots, the Black Keys, Lily Allen, Hot Chip, the String Cheese Incident, Manu Chao and Kings of Leon. Saturday evening's headliner is the Police, in their first major festival appearance since reuniting.

On a sad note, the festival's first fatality was confirmed to be a 25-year-old man from Kentucky. It was the sixth death in the festival's six-year history.
And now its time to say goodnight.

  

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HighVoltage
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2. "this dude is complaining about Masters of War and Roxanne"
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Sun Jun-17-07 11:02 AM by HighVoltage

  

          

in the meantime, the crowd was going absolutely ape shit during both.

besides, is this the type of guy who looks like a hip hop connoisseur?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/06/16/arts/pareles.jpg

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okaydebbie
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3. "RE: this dude is complaining about Masters of War and Roxanne"
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lol!
why would the nytimes even let him talk about bonnaroo???
too bad. its one of the last decent papers left in the country.

  

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qoolquest
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4. "lol....im a grown man dog."
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there was absolutely no sign of any type of dissatisfaction on the crowds end. and personally i thought that was our best MOW ever,

anyone who wanted to hate on that was just...i dunno looking for something to judge.

the audience was with us and that is all that counts. rock critics hate jam bands anyway and that was clearly the hat we were wearing for this weekend.

not to mention that was his backhanded "stay in your place nigga" remark with "these guys are hip hop what the fuck do they know about dylan"

shakes head.

im shocked cause this whole time jon has been a friend (this is the same jon prince had thrown out of the park during that miles davis sign of the time new years show in 1988.)

normally he has been supportive of this entire unit. so this is coming from left field.

it becomes a problem when you veer away from your corner....that is him judging me.


its like HELLO CRITICS!!!! you fuckers wanna always write about my 60,000 record collection!!! but let me actually show the evidence of studying those records for near 40 years and it becomes a problemo?


that show was bulletproof believe you me. in 90 mins we showed a range that no rap gr---NO GROUP has shown ---even his beloved Police which gave an (at that) satisfactory and quiet performance.


mofos trip me out---i just read the coachella review in blender and fuckers said the same shit (worst cover to the roots for doing the entire "masters of war" to "star spangled banner") and then turn ghostface's lackluster performance (was NOT clear on the mic, forgot lyrics, breath control and communication skills was "eh at best" and praised that shit to the high heavens) in a festival highlight.

i guarantee you: he didn't want to like it. cause critics hate musicians who think they are smarter than them.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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ActWon
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5. "You right, they're tripping, the performance was sick."
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>i guarantee you: he didn't want to like it. cause critics hate
>musicians who think they are smarter than them.

Hi Haters (c) Joe Budden

  

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allison
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6. "RE: lol....im a grown man dog."
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Sun Jun-17-07 01:25 PM by allison

  

          

>there was absolutely no sign of any type of dissatisfaction on the crowds end. and personally i thought that was our best MOW ever,

i agree, caught the live set (bonnaroo) and it was INTENSE to say the least


>its like HELLO CRITICS!!!! you fuckers wanna always write about my 60,000 record collection!!! but let me actually show the evidence of studying those records for near 40 years and it becomes a problemo?


lol...good call

~You only know what you see. You don't understand what it takes to be me~

~Don't let other people's expectations of you determine your choices~

  

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funshine
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7. "RE: lol....im a grown man dog."
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>mofos trip me out---i just read the coachella review in
>blender and fuckers said the same shit (worst cover to the
>roots for doing the entire "masters of war" to "star spangled
>banner") and then turn ghostface's lackluster performance (was
>NOT clear on the mic, forgot lyrics, breath control and
>communication skills was "eh at best" and praised that shit to
>the high heavens) in a festival highlight.

It's funny how all the critics praised the hell out of Fishscale and didn't really jump on Game Theory. Almost all the best of 06 lists had Fishscale but no GT - it makes me wary of (non-hip hop) critics and their reliance on 'image' and perception rather than the album itself... and this is coming from a huge ghost fan.

Fishcale was a scattered album with moments of brilliance, GT was just brilliant all the way through. But ghost has that image of quirky street character that is very easy to latch onto in a review...

  

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8. "They had More Fish up there, too!"
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>It's funny how all the critics praised the hell out of
>Fishscale and didn't really jump on Game Theory. Almost all
>the best of 06 lists had Fishscale but no GT - it makes me
>wary of (non-hip hop) critics and their reliance on 'image'
>and perception rather than the album itself... and this is
>coming from a huge ghost fan.
>
>Fishcale was a scattered album with moments of brilliance, GT
>was just brilliant all the way through. But ghost has that
>image of quirky street character that is very easy to latch
>onto in a review...

  

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boyd
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10. "RE: lol....im a grown man dog."
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>there was absolutely no sign of any type of dissatisfaction
>on the crowds end. and personally i thought that was our best
>MOW ever,
>
>anyone who wanted to hate on that was just...i dunno looking
>for something to judge.
>
>the audience was with us and that is all that counts. rock
>critics hate jam bands anyway and that was clearly the hat we
>were wearing for this weekend.
>
>not to mention that was his backhanded "stay in your place
>nigga" remark with "these guys are hip hop what the fuck do
>they know about dylan"
>
>shakes head.
>
>im shocked cause this whole time jon has been a friend (this
>is the same jon prince had thrown out of the park during that
>miles davis sign of the time new years show in 1988.)
>
>normally he has been supportive of this entire unit. so this
>is coming from left field.
>
>it becomes a problem when you veer away from your
>corner....that is him judging me.
>
>
>its like HELLO CRITICS!!!! you fuckers wanna always write
>about my 60,000 record collection!!! but let me actually show
>the evidence of studying those records for near 40 years and
>it becomes a problemo?
>
>
>that show was bulletproof believe you me. in 90 mins we showed
>a range that no rap gr---NO GROUP has shown ---even his
>beloved Police which gave an (at that) satisfactory and quiet
>performance.
>
>
>mofos trip me out---i just read the coachella review in
>blender and fuckers said the same shit (worst cover to the
>roots for doing the entire "masters of war" to "star spangled
>banner") and then turn ghostface's lackluster performance (was
>NOT clear on the mic, forgot lyrics, breath control and
>communication skills was "eh at best" and praised that shit to
>the high heavens) in a festival highlight.
>
>i guarantee you: he didn't want to like it. cause critics hate
>musicians who think they are smarter than them.


man, continue doing u. critics are just people who wish they can do, what the artist(s) do on any given night. critics are just over hyped. if the music/art or whatever move u, who cares what the critics say.

i say "don't listen to the naysayers unless they have informative critiques, and not just going to tell u....yo, man, u suck, negative energy, and we definitely dont need more negative energy in the world...

keep bringing ur musicianship to the people, because the right ones are listening!



  

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jamesL
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25. "ouch..."
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>that show was bulletproof believe you me. in 90 mins we showed
>a range that no rap gr---NO GROUP has shown ---even his
>beloved Police which gave an (at that) satisfactory and quiet
>performance.

satisfactory and quiet? quiet?! that's harsh.

haha, i don't really like the police that much anyway.

  

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prophet j
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9. "i'd honestly rather they play the whole song than..."
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just a snippet. in fact i would kind of get tired out when i went to roots shows back in the day and they'd play about five seconds of "smells like teen spirit" into five seconds of some other song. it made you unable to get into the groove and listen to a song. it was more like flipping through the radio. when covering a song, i think it's GOOD to "cover" the song.

- - - - -

jy
1974-2006

peace & love

  

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11. "i's mad and i got revenge"
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http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/bonnaroo-late-night-led-zep-medleys-and-passed-out-fans/

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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12. "nice response."
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I learned some things from that.

-T
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"rick ross got old african woman swag" (c)nayaa

  

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13. "well played!"
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thanks for the treats and the read.

good ish !

peace.

one.

  

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14. "niice response indeed"
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lay it down

www.theparkmusic.com

  

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15. "RE: i's mad and i got revenge"
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Excellent rebutle sir. I actually read all of his reviews and he praised the police performance, and trashed yours. i laughed my ass off, as i have heard nothing but mediocre reviews and kind of lackluster performances of there reunion tour so far, and definitely have never heard the police described as "experimental". i'm sure you guys killed it, and can't wait for RTB in SF, since i missed you guys in Richmond a couple weeks ago. Great work can't for more shows and more music.

  

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josephmurf2384
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18. "RE: i's mad and i got revenge"
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that was supposed to say can't wait. pardon my abuse of the english language.

  

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28. "*edit*"
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:45 PM by sher-mighty

  

          

n/m

---

"When we realize that it makes very little sense to
babble on in superlatives, we'll just play the music.
Then they'll understand"

www.last.fm/user/minty_fresh81
www.myspace.com/spearminttbeats

  

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16. "someone got served"
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hard

  

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21. "RE: i's mad and i got revenge"
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Get Johnny Drama on they ass

  

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23. "hah, DIGG IT"
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http://digg.com/music/The_Roots_lash_out_at_NYTimes_critic_over_their_covering_of_Masters_of_War

..|.,

If you still don't know what Jade Typhoon is, click here:
http://jadetyphoon.blogspot.com/ (WS)

  

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26. "RE: i's mad and i got revenge"
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IN YOUR FACE, PARELES!!!

ha ha ha! vengeful and informative...

tell us again why you don't write more often??!!

And give us something better than the hardest working man in music bit...

  

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27. "well-played. you're my hero, man...n/m"
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www.twitter.com/seandammit

  

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29. ""tiger.. UP-PERCUT!!!""
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© Sagat (circa 1990)

Good on ya, Quest.

>http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/bonnaroo-late-night-led-zep-medleys-and-passed-out-fans/

---

"When we realize that it makes very little sense to
babble on in superlatives, we'll just play the music.
Then they'll understand"

www.last.fm/user/minty_fresh81
www.myspace.com/spearminttbeats

  

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30. "game.........blouses"
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http://www.myspace.com/blackmyth84
http://www.spitfirepoetrygroup.com/

  

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32. "kudos, young man"
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Fri Jun-22-07 04:43 AM by supablak

  

          

I think you guys are getting more and more interesting by the day.

I think y'all should continue to go hard (Tariq was on the verge of NNN...in that recent interview posted in the Lesson*) on cats that ain't even bothering to connect nann dot beyond "Everybody Say HOOOOOOOOOO", especially in this the plastic age of not just HIP-HOP, but the music industry period.

To paraphrase Chuck D.: "the suckers are simple and plain"
(see my "HIP-HOP TALKS TO MUCH...DOES TO LITTLE"** post in the Lesson)

Keep up the good work.

s.blak
Yr Gonna Get Yrs

footnotes:
*-http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1267928&mesg_id=1267928&page=
**-http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1262941&mesg_id=1262941&page=2

keep: looking,searching,seeking,finding

  

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33. "ethered"
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Seriously, anyone seeing crappy quality youtube video of just the Masters of War cover couldn't possibly write what he did without having some kind of fucked up grudge.

You guys covering Bob Dylan sucks in the same way that Hendrix covering Bob Dylan did.

  

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34. "Get Him Dog!"
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tonytoca11
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17. "Oh hell yeah"
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Now that was worth reading.

  

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Paranoid Android
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19. "is there video of original performance?"
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is there video of the bob dylan tribute performance? I think i remember seeing it, but i can't find it.

  

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lad25
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20. "Video footage of MOW at Bonnaroo"
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Someones got video of nearly the entire song posted in their blog. Is it ok to link it here so people can see it and critique for themselves???

  

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22. "of course it's ok"
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lad25
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24. "RE: of course it's ok"
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I figured i should ask, cuz I know that in some previous post ?uest explicitly didnt want material from the current tour posted. Presumably this was to prevent spoilers, and to keep keep the element of surprise for people who catch their live shows. The Roots put so much effort into keeping their live shows fresh, and ?uesto does so much for us that I didnt want to cross anyone.

The video link can be found here: http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/jbj/?p=478

The link is still active though the video is huge (1.3 GB), and if this is inappropriate, the moderators can remove the link.
Enjoy!

  

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Anfernee
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31. "I want 15 on my debating team."
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As third speaker, so he can just shut it down.

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