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Eddy
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"UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"


  

          



http://www.hiphopgame.co.uk/audio.php

peep the Dear Common track, made by Rising Son (nas thiefs theme contest winner), Doc Brown & Yungun which is their response to his outspoken opinions about inter-racial relationships.

  

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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 15th 2005
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what?
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 23rd 2005
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hxxp://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3V9GFS5T5XVQN3EOIQR8BHZXMB
Aug 15th 2005
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hxxp is not a registered protocol
Aug 18th 2005
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      It's to kill the link
Aug 19th 2005
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I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand
Aug 15th 2005
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RE: I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand
Aug 16th 2005
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      To make a statement like that ...
Aug 16th 2005
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           shits the same everwhere
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: To make a statement like that ...
Aug 16th 2005
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                RE: To make a statement like that ...
Aug 23rd 2005
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'turn a conscious rapper into an unconscious rapper'
Aug 16th 2005
10
yeah i agree on the irking
Aug 16th 2005
11
      RE-UP PLEASE
Aug 16th 2005
12
           yall really don't get it.....
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: yall really don't get it.....
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: yall really don't get it.....
Aug 22nd 2005
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           PLEASE RE-UP
Aug 16th 2005
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What is wrong with you people?
Aug 16th 2005
13
why isn't anyone listening tot he song beyond that line
Aug 16th 2005
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RE: why isn't anyone listening tot he song beyond that line
Aug 16th 2005
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Here Are The LYRICS WORD 4 WORD.....READ THE SHIT!!
Aug 16th 2005
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      Firstly
Aug 16th 2005
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           this is it...
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: this is it...
Aug 16th 2005
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           RE: this is it...
Aug 23rd 2005
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           he's was probably upset cos he feels guilty but he has to ask him
Aug 18th 2005
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not necessarily. that's not how i read it at all.
Aug 16th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 16th 2005
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I'm like WTF... "the corner is where white and blacks hold hands..."
Aug 17th 2005
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      I was suprised... I thought this was going to be wack...
Aug 17th 2005
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      I was suprised... I thought this was going to be wack...
Aug 17th 2005
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this shit is SO stupid
Aug 16th 2005
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the rappers are biracial too
Aug 20th 2005
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how many times has this been spoken on?
Aug 16th 2005
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RE: aren't they all mixed race artists?
Aug 17th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 18th 2005
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from touch magazine? sad puppy eyes did a thread on it
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
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      RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 18th 2005
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           Fuck You British faggot
Aug 19th 2005
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I feel that the interview confirms that Com is NOT a racist
Aug 18th 2005
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considering that Yungun and Doc Brown are mixed race im not
Aug 18th 2005
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I'm Glad Com said it.
Aug 18th 2005
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co-sign
Aug 18th 2005
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finally!!
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 18th 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 18th 2005
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In all modesty, lemme set one thing straight for all you jokers.
Aug 18th 2005
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word
Aug 19th 2005
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he said fish and chips
Aug 19th 2005
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Definitely a diss track
Aug 19th 2005
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      RE: Definitely a diss track <<<<<<< Um, no.
Aug 19th 2005
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Wow...
Aug 19th 2005
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i guess u muthafuckas dont know any REAL PEOPLE....
Aug 19th 2005
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Check the interview that inspired the track....
Aug 20th 2005
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He makes a lot of sense
Aug 23rd 2005
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RE: Check the interview that inspired the track....
Aug 23rd 2005
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      Truth right there. Yall need to read above.
Aug 24th 2005
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meh
Aug 20th 2005
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This is what happens when talented artists express their frustrations...
Aug 22nd 2005
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RE: This is what happens when talented artists express their frustration...
Aug 22nd 2005
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      What's idiotic is that you took it personal...
Aug 22nd 2005
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           RE: What's idiotic is that you took it personal...
Aug 23rd 2005
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RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)
Aug 23rd 2005
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let's really understand one anothers positions first
Aug 23rd 2005
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up
Sep 08th 2005
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SmalleyeriZ
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1. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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what outspoken ness??


"Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
I be mad at em as if I know they moms
Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen"


idiots...did they even listen to the lyrics in the song?

"Sling Shots To Ya Soul, Im Dennis The Menance Man"
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Eddy
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2. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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word.

  

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andrizzle
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3. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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ehh.

  

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Eddy
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4. "what?"
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Mon Aug-15-05 11:03 AM by Eddy

  

          

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lionroar
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44. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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>word.

how sad to see another blackman misunderstood

Tell me is it still all GOOD.

listen!!!

ONE LOVE!!

  

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The Mish
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7. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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>what outspoken ness??
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>"Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
>I be mad at em as if I know they moms
>Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
>When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen"
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>idiots...did they even listen to the lyrics in the song?

considering that the third verse features quotes from that song and others, i'd say they did listen to the lyrics.

  

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72. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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These cats are garbage.

  

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Eddy
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5. "hxxp://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3V9GFS5T5XVQN3EOIQR8BHZXMB"
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48. "hxxp is not a registered protocol"
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the fuck do ppl keep posting that shit for?

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_JP
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54. "It's to kill the link"
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It's to kill the link. It forces you to copy and paste into the address bar. Supposedly when you click a link they can tell what site you came from and if you're sharing stuff that you're not supposed to it can lead to problems. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I hear.

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UPDATE: It's a boy!!!!!!

  

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_JP
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6. "I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand"
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I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand the complexity of race relations in the States. It's different over here.

<------- The most important release of 2006, coming on July 23.
UPDATE: It's a boy!!!!!!

  

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The Mish
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8. "RE: I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand"
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or maybe they do understand, but they just don't agree with how the issue is handled.

  

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Nij
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9. "RE: I still say that folks outside of the US can't understand"
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This is an ignorant statement.

Race is complex everywhere. I mean, I have the same trouble getting in to clubs, shopping centres, lookins for jobs, as much as a US counterpart.

Race is race. Common is getting dissed for his feelings on inter-racial relationships. Which is fine in my opinion.

Peace

  

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_JP
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18. "To make a statement like that ..."
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>This is an ignorant statement.
>
>Race is complex everywhere. I mean, I have the same trouble
>getting in to clubs, shopping centres, lookins for jobs, as
>much as a US counterpart.
>
>Race is race. Common is getting dissed for his feelings on
>inter-racial relationships. Which is fine in my opinion.
>
>Peace

To make a statement like that you either are from the US and have never lived anywhere else, or you're from outside the US and have never lived here in the US.

I'm not saying that in other places race relations are simple or non-existent, but it is different here in the US. The rest of the (developed) world is light-years ahead of us in mixing of the races and mixing of the cultures.

Here's an extremely simple example. In the UK you have radio stations that play eclectic mixes of various genres of music. You can have rock, hip-hop, jazz etc on the same station ... even on the same radio show. That doesn't exist in the US. A radio station plays a single genre of music; there is no mixing.

That example is just a simplified result of the overwhelming phenomenon in the US. You're either one or the other. Some cultural anthropologists have theorized that US culture doesn't even truly recognize other races besides black and white. Meaning in the US you're either black or white, there is nothing else. As new nationalities come to the US they are initially seen as different but eventually assimilated to one or the other. This can be seen with the Italians, Jews, Polish, and Greeks. Initially when people of those nationalities came to the US they were looked down upon by the majority as something different, but after several generations they are no longer seen as a different group. Now they are all just white. All of those groups listed are Europeans so it can be easy to dismiss, but some cultural anthropologists are speculating that the same phenomenon is beginning to happen with Asians (at least the fair-skinned ones).

The US inherently has an "us vs. them" attitude about everything. You are either one or the other; there is no third option. This can even be seen in our government. Democrats vs. Republicans. It's a 2 party system because it's perceived that if you're not a Republican then you have to be a Democrat. There are no other options. This attitude permeates every aspect of our society.

Like I said ... it's different over here.

<------- The most important release of 2006, coming on July 23.
UPDATE: It's a boy!!!!!!

  

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25. "shits the same everwhere"
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we are all basically the same people everywhere, you cant use these rappers ignorants comment to make a generalization about the UK, where ever i am on this planet .. i am seen as black first before anything else, goes for every black person on the planet

Sig ?
"No matter how good she looks right now, some bloke somewhere is tired of putting up with her sh*t."

I’m going to kill myself tomorrow (The Baumer)

  

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Wonceagain
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27. "RE: To make a statement like that ..."
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>Here's an extremely simple example. In the UK you have radio
>stations that play eclectic mixes of various genres of music.
>You can have rock, hip-hop, jazz etc on the same station ...
>even on the same radio show. That doesn't exist in the US. A
>radio station plays a single genre of music; there is no
>mixing.
>


i dont know where your from but i live in ny and there are radio stations that play different genres of music (e.g. z100)...regardless of the quality of the music they play, it DOES exist in the US

  

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69. "RE: To make a statement like that ..."
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Check out DJ Spinna - THE GREATEST!!! and Masters at Work....Mix it all up....come to London...sounds like hell in the US....X

  

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Nij
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10. "'turn a conscious rapper into an unconscious rapper'"
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That's a line right there!

But no doubt, Real People is my joint. But that line kinda irks me a bit too.

Big up to the UK for spittin some fire. I wonder whether Common will respond?

Peace

  

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11. "yeah i agree on the irking"
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its kinda hypocritical of him, but it aint like no one else alive is a hypocrite.

  

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12. "RE-UP PLEASE"
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SmalleyeriZ
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14. "yall really don't get it....."
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what hes saying in the song is...he no longer is up on looking into what race a person is. "go beyond the surface"... hes saying thas not as important to him as it use to be anymore.....so i really dont see how these dudes could try to diss him.....ppl really dont listen to shit closely anymore......

"Sling Shots To Ya Soul, Im Dennis The Menance Man"
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SavageFlowers
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19. "RE: yall really don't get it....."
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my thoughts exactly... these cats are sounding real foolish right now.

Check out some tracks off of Mane Event's upcoming release In Fluid Concrete.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/maneevent_music.htm

  

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63. "RE: yall really don't get it....."
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>what hes saying in the song is...he no longer is up on looking
>into what race a person is. "go beyond the surface"... hes
>saying thas not as important to him as it use to be
>anymore.....so i really dont see how these dudes could try to
>diss him.....ppl really dont listen to shit closely
>anymore......

The certainty in this statement, given that you are not the author of the original lyrics is slightly ridiculous. The spoken/ written word is almost always legitimately subject to more than one interpretation. What do you think attorneys do.

In any event, I disagree with your interpretation. I think what he is saying that black men need to get below the surface, stop falling prey to the white beauty myth and see black women as the beautiful people that are. In other words stop chasing the other for superficial reasons, recognize the beauty within your own, and embrace.
That is why he is upset, because he believes that black woman are being disrespected by their own ("when we lessen our women our conditions seem to worsen").

In any event, I respect the response track. A lot of people talking about the song. They spoke their mind on it and put it out there - sparking further discussion. that demands respect.

  

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28. "PLEASE RE-UP"
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i like Risin' Son...

I wanna hear this joint.

"The new age of education is programmed for discovery rather than instruction.Art as radar environment, radar feedback, early warning system: the antennae of the race." – Marshall McLuhan

peace

  

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13. "What is wrong with you people?"
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If you wanna marry a cave bitch go ahead. He don't its as simple as that. If you are so insecure in your interacial relationships that a line in a song can upset you, you need to look at yourself not the artist who made the song.

"I'm one of the world's great survivors. I'll always survive because I've got the right combination of wit, grit and bullshit."

© Don King

  

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15. "why isn't anyone listening tot he song beyond that line"
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com says he is wrong for thinking what he USED to think about interracial couples.

told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person.


wow, was an entire diss track really cessassary....

  

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Nij
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16. "RE: why isn't anyone listening tot he song beyond that line"
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but listen to the whole verse.

He is still commenting on the inter-racial shit. And on the millionth listen it sounds negative.

But I coulda got it wrong .. i dont know

Peace

  

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17. "Here Are The LYRICS WORD 4 WORD.....READ THE SHIT!!"
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Tue Aug-16-05 09:58 AM by SmalleyeriZ

  

          

yea u defintely do....

The part ur talkin bout is the last verse...and its not even 6 bars..cats need to wake the fuck up and listen to Whats being said in a song...instead of putting your own inferences in it...

Here are the Complete..lyrics..now let somebody tell me..."he talkin bout interacial stuff the whole song"

man...yall cats need to stop trippin...

p.s: whoever made this bullshit diss track realkly needs to rethink why there dissin comm...before they embarass themselves..cuz either there just stupid...or cant hear what he was saying in the song...HES SAYING HES COOL WITH INTERRACIAL DATING NOW..CUZ ITS ABOUT BEING HUMAN!...so yea.....Rethink..ur shit...whoever made this trash...

Artist: Common
Album: Be
Song: Real People


Yeah, yeah, you know how me and 'Ye do


Real People walk in the streets, the streets is talkin'
Often it's beef this city never does
People walk and talk in they sleep
Cold sweats and wet dreams
On how to get green our faith is all in a jeep
Black souls raw and they deep
Hypes tryna talk with no teeth
Shorties sayin' ball or retreat
A lesson we all speak at one point or another
Whatchu expect from one who smoke a joint with his mother
Anointed hustlers in a fatherless region
Through the pain wish they know that God was just teachin'
We want decent homes
So dreams we say out loud like speakerphones just to keep em on
It's like a colored song that keep keepin' on
I guess knowin' I'm weak is when I'm really bein' strong
Somehow through the dust I could see the dawn
Like the Bishop Magic Juan, that's why I write freedom songs
For the real people


I wonder is the spirits of Bob Marley and Haile Selassie
Watch me as the cops be tryna and pop and lock me
They cocky, plus they mentality is Nazi
The way they treat blacks I wanna snap like paparazzi
We're the children of a better God searchin' for better jobs
We could cop ghetto cars tryin' not to catch a charge
They say the dope game is sour
Now they doin' homework that's when they follow you for hours
Come to your crib and devour all that you work for
Must be more than paper these niggaz hurt for
Through the purple haze I circle days I rhyme that work for pays
Tryna reverse the slave's mind and insert the brave mentality
Heard that it's drama at home
Can a dude break free and still get honored at home
I was told by a chief it's the games nature
When you're glowin' some will love and some will hate ya
It's real people


Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
I be mad at em as if I know they moms
Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen
The weary cursin' the sky
Talkin' to themselves givin' the version of why help and hurt in they eye
I live across from it, some of it I do be in
I be showin' niggaz lives
Like UPN
It's real people

Yeah.
For you and yours
Good music
Forever
Yeah
Rock on
We keep on
Uh.. Yeah
Yeah, yeah
The real...

"Sling Shots To Ya Soul, Im Dennis The Menance Man"
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http://www.CheSingTheCool.com <- The Blog

  

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20. "Firstly"
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Calm down bro.

I dont think the lyrics are very clear. And if ure talking about that shit and its misinterpreted people are bound to get upset.

I mean the first four lines are debatable and the rest aint exactly crystal fuckin clear is it??? The line can easily be interpreted on some racist tip.

>Black men walking wit white girls on they arms
>I be mad at em as if I know they moms
>Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person
>When we lessen our women our condition seems to worsen

I mean Common could be sayin that he is pissed off at inter-racial relationships, even tho he's been told to go beyond the surface. It just seems like he is accepting it because its what real people do, but he doesn't agree with it.

Me and my man's spoke about this verse for hours once, because he was marryin a white girl and was upset. I tried to argue for Common but i think that Common does come across a bit racist.

But like i said, it aint that clear. So dont get on some 'i hate it when people mis-interpret shit and look like idiots after' because u may well have got it wrong urself and that means u'll be the one who looks like an idiot.

Peace

  

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21. "this is it..."
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im done arguing this b/c folks wanna put stuff in their thas not in it....thats why the SONGS CALLED REAL PEOPLE!!!. hes saying he waS mad at one point until someone told him to go beyond the surface.....When we lesson our women....meaning put them in categorys things go wrong...So..yea..u aint gotta take my word for it...im only an emcee..whos been doin this for years...and has followed Common since i was 12......let somebody offical clear this up since you wont take my word for it..but trust me..whoever made this diss record..will..look like an ass..if they dont rethink and stop putting a spin on what comm's sayin in the record....Its about Real life! hes not being racist...

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24. "RE: this is it..."
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yeah...i'm with you SmalleyeriZ.
I don't really see how they could read the lines like they do...
Gotta be embarrasing writing a diss- song because of a missunderstanding.

  

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70. "RE: this is it..."
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Yep...You could interpret it in this way until you read the interview Common gave in the June issue of Touch mag.....I want to hear it from Common...."all publicity is good p....."???

  

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43. "he's was probably upset cos he feels guilty but he has to ask him"
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self why does he feel that way? cos its real easy to project that emotion onto a song lyric and say "why is he making me feel bad?"

all I know is its really all over for african/black people when you cant actually comment on something that affects the community directly....If a Jewish or Asian person says the same thing why is there silence? what is this really about? hmmmmmmm.......
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29. "not necessarily. that's not how i read it at all."
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i read it like he's talking in the present, and talking about black men who chase white women for the superficial.

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22. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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this is too funny. Even if he hates interacial relations. So what!

  

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31. "I'm like WTF... "the corner is where white and blacks hold hands...""
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32. "I was suprised... I thought this was going to be wack..."
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Its not a diss track really, but its still good.

  

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w7LL
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33. "I was suprised... I thought this was going to be wack..."
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Its not a diss track really, but its still good.

  

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23. "this shit is SO stupid"
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and i'm biracial.

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61. "the rappers are biracial too"
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some stupid ish

  

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temps2020
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26. "how many times has this been spoken on?"
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he's not dissing interracial relationships. He simply says when he sees a black man with a white woman on his arms, it may make him shake his head a little because he'd rather see black men and black women together. He would like there to be strong black families. He is not against black men and white women together. The next line says "Told to go beyond the surface, a person's a person."

Folks need to think a little bit more before they react, and start making diss tracks.


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mana_mana
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30. "RE: aren't they all mixed race artists?"
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I know that Doc Brown definately is -he's Zadie Smith's younger bro (author of White Teeth).

I like the idea behind it... but it sounds like a rushed and sloppy track IMO.

  

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34. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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>
>
>http://www.hiphopgame.co.uk/audio.php
>
>peep the Dear Common track, made by Rising Son (nas thiefs
>theme contest winner), Doc Brown & Yungun which is their
>response to his outspoken opinions about inter-racial
>relationships.
>

Easy,

I'm the person who upped this track on HipHopGame.co.uk and i've been checking our logs to see who's been looking at it and what they've been saying.

Just to clarify a couple of things so maybe the track is more in perspective to those who disagree with it...

The artists arent trying to use this to get known, the uk scene doesnt work like that, they are simply the products of mixed race relationships and feel that commons comments were offensive to them.

also the tracks not about the single line that everyone has been dissecting to death its actually regarding what he said in an interview in a british music magazine.

i've been trying to find a scan of the actual magazine pages but havent had any luck yet, however the magazine has posted the text of the interview in its forums, i can't say 100% this is the full interview but i assume they've upped at least the relevant parts following the attention the track has received.

anyways you can check the interview here..
http://www.touchmagazine.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=448

of course what he says is still up for interpretation but theres more to contemplate than just assuming they misunderstood a single lyric.

if you've seen this on another forum i'd appreciate if you would copy/paste this there as well, just to get the story straight.

safe,
Fiasco.
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The Mish
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39. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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>>
>>
>>http://www.hiphopgame.co.uk/audio.php
>>
>>peep the Dear Common track, made by Rising Son (nas thiefs
>>theme contest winner), Doc Brown & Yungun which is their
>>response to his outspoken opinions about inter-racial
>>relationships.
>>
>
>Easy,
>
>I'm the person who upped this track on HipHopGame.co.uk and
>i've been checking our logs to see who's been looking at it
>and what they've been saying.
>
>Just to clarify a couple of things so maybe the track is more
>in perspective to those who disagree with it...
>
>The artists arent trying to use this to get known, the uk
>scene doesnt work like that, they are simply the products of
>mixed race relationships and feel that commons comments were
>offensive to them.
>
>also the tracks not about the single line that everyone has
>been dissecting to death its actually regarding what he said
>in an interview in a british music magazine.
>
>i've been trying to find a scan of the actual magazine pages
>but havent had any luck yet, however the magazine has posted
>the text of the interview in its forums, i can't say 100% this
>is the full interview but i assume they've upped at least the
>relevant parts following the attention the track has
>received.
>
>anyways you can check the interview here..
>http://www.touchmagazine.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=448
>
>of course what he says is still up for interpretation but
>theres more to contemplate than just assuming they
>misunderstood a single lyric.
>
>if you've seen this on another forum i'd appreciate if you
>would copy/paste this there as well, just to get the story
>straight.
>
>safe,
>Fiasco.
>www.HipHopGame.co.uk

Very interesting. Sod's law that he quotes the line in question, but doesn't explain it at all.

  

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40. "from touch magazine? sad puppy eyes did a thread on it"
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but i find the thread.

i think she posted up the entire article?

  

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carlitas
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35. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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Hey thanks for bringing this to my attention, now I understand why I felt invisible front of stage at the gig...such ignorance...I hate black and white labels....perpertuating stereotypes....x

  

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carlitas
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36. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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Hey, thanks for this, any chance you can mail me the lyrics of Dear Common track, I get seem to get them online...thanks...and greeting from London X

  

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37. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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As long as Blacks are singing, dancing, or shooting hoops...they are cool and acting in their place BUT as soon as we start thinking, evaluating, or commenting on our experience, race relations, etc...White people want us to explain ourselves...the whole, "what did he mean by that" starts.

I'm glad Common expressed himself on this issue...and I'm glad his art has moved everyone else into a discussion. That's what art is supposed to do - move you.

I agree with some of the posts made earlier...stating that people outside of the race, outside of the country may not understand...no matter how much Bob Marley you listen to...its not the same as wearing the skin. Its a sensitive topic because there are still many tensions and unresolved issues...

Shine on Comm - Philly loves you.

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The Mish
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38. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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>As long as Blacks are singing, dancing, or shooting
>hoops...they are cool and acting in their place BUT as soon as
>we start thinking, evaluating, or commenting on our
>experience, race relations, etc...White people want us to
>explain ourselves...the whole, "what did he mean by that"
>starts.
>
>I'm glad Common expressed himself on this issue...and I'm glad
>his art has moved everyone else into a discussion. That's
>what art is supposed to do - move you.
>
>I agree with some of the posts made earlier...stating that
>people outside of the race, outside of the country may not
>understand...no matter how much Bob Marley you listen to...its
>not the same as wearing the skin. Its a sensitive topic
>because there are still many tensions and unresolved
>issues...

This post really is some patronising nonsense. No-one has said that common shouldn't be commenting on race relations etc (there has been no "oh, he's acting out of place: type comment), but there are plenty of people who disagree with his opinions - and contrary to your suggestion, those people have not all been "outside of the race, outside of the country". Don't try to stifle discussion by suggesting that anyone who disagrees with common is a racist or a foreigner.

  

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56. "Fuck You British faggot"
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All british blacks are uncle toms anyway so fuck them.

MF DOOM SUCKS

  

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_JP
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41. "I feel that the interview confirms that Com is NOT a racist"
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The interview that HipHopGameUK gave a link to in reply 34 to me confirms that he's not a racist. He's talking about building black love. No where does he say that he has a problem with all inter-racial dating (in fact he implies the opposite). But often (at least here in the US) people date outside of their race because of self-hate, and that is wrong.

Now, I'm feeling Com more than I was before.

Interview link here in case you missed it: http://www.touchmagazine.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=448

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42. "considering that Yungun and Doc Brown are mixed race im not"
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surprised - I would jus like to say that being based in the UK these fools are NOT representative of me at all....being that this IS the UK I wouldn't be surprised at this dis growing into something big cos it would find a LOTTA support....nothing but brothas and white women here while a lot of sistas are stepped over.....

another thing....Yungun...you f****** suck...I dont care if members of the team wanna work with you but if somehow you read this BW says your s***!
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45. "I'm Glad Com said it."
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Is it really racist to want to see Black men with Black Women?

I think I know exactly how COm feels and its got nothing to do with racial superiority or inferiority. though it does something to do with the history of racism where the beauty of Black women has always been discounted and the status of white women has always been so greatly valued. No one is supporting segregation or intergration.



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46. "co-sign"
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!

  

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50. "finally!!"
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somebody feels me..i was trying to commuincate this for days..none of these "UK" ppl were trying to listen...Loving black women and wanting to see them with black men does not make you a racist....Comm loves his ppl simple as that..but that does not mean he does not love all of humanity as well....i wish comm if he wanted to waste energy would respond to these cats..and put them upon some real education..on race relations..

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47. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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What the Fuck!

Damn.... The Shade 45 interview --Common clear that ish up.

A Pink toe can make a brother write a diss record---

What is this world coming 2 (who!)

  

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49. "RE: UK Common Diss Track (LINK)"
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Com was alluding to the way some black men view white women as the epitome of beauty.' When we lessom our women our conditions seem to worsen' he summed up the whole sentiment right there. If you dont agree fine but labeling his lyrics 'negative' and 'ignorant' means you probably have a snow bunny on your arm.

  

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51. "In all modesty, lemme set one thing straight for all you jokers."
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Just because some MC(s) makes
a RESPONSE track to something
another Hip Hop artist said
or did, does not automatically
qualify it as a "diss" track.

It's only a diss track if the
recipient of the response truly
got DISSED (murked or whatever
you youngbloods call it).

This term is being thrown around
too loosely much like the word
diva, as a result it looses it's
entire meaning and impact.

Clearly, this chicken shit you
provided a link to is hardly a
diss. This is some hot garbage
that is so pathetic, it makes
the Cookie Crew look like serious
British rappers.

The worst thing Com could ever do
is give these fish n' chip eating
suckers even a modicum of his att-
ention. They are not in the same
league as Ice Cube and hold zero
weight

It's obvious from the way they spit
about this matter that their feelings
are clearly hurt.

*Sends them a big hug via the Trans-
Atlantic*

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the same level of human rights, equates the status of things with the
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52. "word"
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i agree

"but now i stay on Point like Rod in this Strict Land,
if Brooklyn courts was the campus than i would be the big man" -common

  

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53. "he said fish and chips"
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I'm hungry now

Sig ?
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55. "Definitely a diss track"
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>Just because some MC(s) makes
>a RESPONSE track to something
>another Hip Hop artist said
>or did, does not automatically
>qualify it as a "diss" track.
>
>It's only a diss track if the
>recipient of the response truly
>got DISSED (murked or whatever
>you youngbloods call it).
>
>This term is being thrown around
>too loosely much like the word
>diva, as a result it looses it's
>entire meaning and impact.
>
>Clearly, this chicken shit you
>provided a link to is hardly a
>diss.

"Turn a concious rapper into an unconcious rapper."

It's been a couple of days since I listed to this, so I don't remember all the quotes, but I know he refered to hold the other dude back because he wants to kick Com ass. He called Com wack.

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58. "RE: Definitely a diss track <<<<<<< Um, no."
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Fri Aug-19-05 08:44 PM by HoChiGrimm

  

          

And if do wants to bring
the noise, tell him to
get his Jelly Baby eating
ass on over here and
confront the brother like
a man.

Talk is cheap, it takes
money to buy whiskey.

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57. "Wow..."
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Yeah, these cats is pretty upset about Common's remarks in the the article and on "Real People" and the lyric about the "Sellin out like a dread with a white girl" on LWFC...

I think if Common heard this track, he'd prolly be amused at first, but I think he'd respect these cats for standing up for who they are and their perceived notion of somebody trying to attack that. I doubt he'd be upset at all, but I'm sure he would like the chance to better explain to them his motivation behind what he's said. As many have already said here, all it's about is Pro-blackness, not anti-whiteness, or anti-interracial. I think for every race, especially minorities, it's a natural thing to want your people to love and be with your own people. If someone has a problem with that, then you probably feel guilty about your interracial relationship, or just don't understand, as it seems with these cats. I can understand them getting upset based on Common's words "I be mad at em" referring to black dudes with white girls, because he's referring to their dad (or mom). And they are bi-products of that inter-racial relationship, so they feel their being is attacked. But when common says "mad" I doubt he's referring to a situation where someone has found love in another and they're a different race. Like he says in the article, he's mad at what it may imply. A lack of love for your own people, and black women, hence the line "When we lessen our women, the situation worsens", the situation being the building up of black families and community. Black women are left out and rejected in favor of white women. And that is what Common is concerned about. And I feel the same way. It doesn't mean you hate all interracial couples and disapprove. But you just disapprove of the mentality behind it. Not that this is the case for all interracial couples, but it does exist.

But yeah, I do give Common mad props for being "real" in making these type of lyrics. It does provoke thought and discussion, and that's what can maybe open someone's eyes. Unfortunately, some people have mis-interpreted his meaning, and taken it personally which results in this track being made.

  

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59. "i guess u muthafuckas dont know any REAL PEOPLE...."
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that was just some REAL TALK.... REAL PEOPLE do talk like that... aint about bein wrong or right.. just a reflection of reality.... imo... if u THAT sensitive... ur ass shouldn't be listening to hiphop in the 1st place... funny how half of rappers b disrespectin women, blk women in particular, on a daily basis yet no one makes a song callin them out... niggas sure do love their caucasian women.....

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60. "Check the interview that inspired the track...."
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Hi,

Thought you might be intersted to know that I'm the UK journo that wrote the article that apparently inspired this track. I interviewed Common in April this year. A version of my interview (below) was printed in the May issue of Touch magazine- bit like America's Vibe.

Common's UK press officer emailed me to say that Common enjoyed my article.

Hope this answers a few questions....

Common Dispute
Words by Elle J Small

Musically gifted emcee Common speaks his mind, straight down the line. Music is a freedom of speech, but (as we discovered with the homophobic reggae lyrics versus pro gay campaigners scenario) that doesn’t mean we can’t question the reasoning behind certain philosophies. On the verge of his sixth album release, Common talks frankly to Touch.

TOUCH: There’s a lyric on the track ‘Heat’ from your ‘Like Water For Chocolate’ album: “State senators, life twirls, most sell out - like a dread with a white girl.” Explain…
COMMON: “Rastafarianism is a black culture. When you see dreadlocked dudes with white girls that’s like they going against what the dreadlock’s purpose was. The dreadlock was a symbol of black love and the black people gettin’ to a certain level… In America we’ve got a lot of dreadlocked dudes and all you see them with is white girls. I don’t think there’s anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race but it’s almost like a prototype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl…I just feel like, as black men, we do have to be aware that, yo, every time we step out with some woman it’s setting an example for our daughters and it’s also representing something for our mothers. If you can’t really love your own, how can you really love others?”

T: So you don’t agree with mixed race relationships?
C: “I don’t disagree with them. It’s just I’ve been around black girls that say, ‘I only date white men.’ I’ve been around black dudes who I see only be with white girls. Is that a lack of self-love? To say ‘I only deal with these type of people’ has gotta be a problem.”

T: Have you ever dated outside your race?
C: “Nah, not dated .”

T: Have you slept with anybody outside your race?
C: “Yeah, I definitely have.”

T: So sleeping with someone outside your race is OK but dating isn’t?
C: “People got they choice. I’m not telling them how to live their lives. I just tell them what I think about and what I feel about certain situations… Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered and I’m not acting like white girls and other races are not people. We all people: children of God. But our race has been damaged. Sometimes to get back up to the level of respect and love, you’ve gotta stick with your own for a minute and build a certain amount of strength and community within yours so that other people can respect and honour your traditions.”

T: How do you feel about a black person dating a mixed race person of black and white parentage?
C: “Ah man, if you’ve got one black parent and one white parent, then the majority of the time you considered black. People don’t look at Tiger Woods and see he’s mixed. They say he’s a black golfer, even if he say he’s something else... Look, I ain’t here to judge people’s relationships. I’m more about, ‘Hey black people, I see you out there talking about how you a Rastafarian, but you only wanna date white women.’ Is that what Rastafarianism is based on?”

T: Rastafarianism has different houses with different views. Though Rastafarianism is about celebrating who you are and where you’re from, isn’t it also about loving people regardless of creed or colour?
C: “I don’t know all the bases of Rastafarianism, but I know that it stems from Africa and Ethiopia and really came into fruition in Jamaica during the time that the blacks were being oppressed. It was about black people paying homage to their culture; embracing their culture. So when you embrace your culture and then say, ‘OK, but I’m only gonna date the opposite race’ -to me that’s a little opposite to what you’re projecting out through your hair and the way you looking. I know you don’t agree, but I’m glad that you bringing these things up. How do you feel, as a white lady?”

T: I absolutely loved your album ‘Like Water For Chocolate’, but that lyric pissed me off. I live in a very multicultural environment, maybe if I lived in America I would feel differently…
C: “Yeah, it definitely has something to do too with the way I was raised. I mean, not even from my parents, but from being in Chicago- a very segregated city. There is very much an enforcement of black culture where I grew up.”

***
Common boards his plane. We agree to disagree. I tell him I respect that he speaks his mind in music. Days later our conversation continues…
***

T: Last time we debated about mixed race relationships…
C: “It was good that we talked about that. I talked about it even more after I hung up. I was talking to my team about it and they had their own views. My whole thing is that black women have been so put down –whether it’s due to the oppression of a white government or we putting our own women down. When dudes say they only gonna focus on white girls, to me, it’s like a slap in a black girl’s face… What’s ironic is when you hear this song on my new album called ‘Real People’. It deals with something almost of the same nature. I say: ‘Black men walking with white girls on they arms. I be mad at ‘em as if I know they Mums. Told to go beyond the surface; a person’s a person. When we lessen our women our conditions seem to worsen.’… I’m glad we got to discuss this though…Ya know I still feel like because I’m an artist and I say certain things I have a responsibility to let people know what I mean. I can’t claim to be perfect. I’m working too to be a better guy.”

· Common’s new album ‘BE’ out May 23rd
· The single ‘The Corner’ is out May 30th

Words by Elle J Small
www.ellejsmall.co.uk

  

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71. "He makes a lot of sense"
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>T: So you don’t agree with mixed race relationships?
>C: “I don’t disagree with them. It’s just I’ve been around
>black girls that say, ‘I only date white men.’ I’ve been
>around black dudes who I see only be with white girls. Is that
>a lack of self-love? To say ‘I only deal with these type of
>people’ has gotta be a problem.”
>


>T: So sleeping with someone outside your race is OK but dating
>isn’t?
>C: “People got they choice. I’m not telling them how to live
>their lives. I just tell them what I think about and what I
>feel about certain situations… Dealing with having sex with a
>white girl is something I have encountered and I’m not acting
>like white girls and other races are not people. We all
>people: children of God. But our race has been damaged.
>Sometimes to get back up to the level of respect and love,
>you’ve gotta stick with your own for a minute and build a
>certain amount of strength and community within yours so that
>other people can respect and honour your traditions.”

Word.

  

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73. "RE: Check the interview that inspired the track...."
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"so when you say that there should be no interracial realationships/ you attackin my whole existance/its only right that i respond to this shit/i predict the future is mixed/ markin an end to all this racism shit"

not every interracial relationship is built with a complete understanding and respect for the other's backgrounds. the fact that some kind of Eutopia, free of racism, is gonna come about because we ALL will be mixed is ridiculous.

nice thought, but it's not going to happen.

if these dudes grew up in households where both black and white culture could be taught and appreciated, i think that's great, and they got a reason to stick up for the way they were raised. on the same tip, like Com said in the interview, he came up around *both* races stating how they exclusivley only date outside of their race.

Chi is very segregated, a lot like the rest of the Midwest, and there is always an assumption about the statement you're making with your dating preferances. maybe the same aint true in the UK, but, here, if you a black man and have no problem voicing the fact that you only date white chicks, you sayin something wrong with Black women. Obviously something aint up to par with the women who look like your Mom. if you a white chick who only dates black men, white men must not be good enough for you. It would seem logical that you don't think your mom's choice in getting with your dad was a wise one to be repeated, either.

i realize there are some people who would say that it's just a matter of personal taste, but dat don't change the way people are going to judge your actions. the fact that you completely turn down ANY RACE is definately not "goin beyond the surface." it's subconcious to a lot of the observers, themselves, but the reason people usually have problems with white-black relationships is because they ASSUME that there is that "self-hate" that Common spoke about. whats more- mixed kids are often sterotyped as having the internal conflict of a person who has one "reverse-racist" parent. that shit aint always true. but a Eutopia of a bunch of mixed people aint gon to erase the fact that some people are hookin up for the wrong reasons, despite the fact that there are some who are the product of legitimate love.

i've met plenty of white girls who simultaniously resent their man's blackness, and worship it.

personally, i can't count on one HAND the amount of times brothas have stepped to me with mad baggage, too: they hype that "white beauty myth" shit to death
... such a fuckin turn off to me. i don't want to be yo damn trophy.

but that's definately not the inspiration behind every black man who expresses interest in me. nor am i some caucasion woman who trys to holla at black men because she just watched "Save the Last Dance" and thought she'd try it out. i will never, however, limit myself to one race. you never know WHO God will bring in yo life to help you make your way thru it better.

What Mr. Rashid said, i definately agree with: black women are not shown enough appreciation or given enough chances in the United States, both by white society, AND their own men. i've lived in Brasil, and I would say the same shit x100 about their situation there.

The honor and traditions of Africa do need to be remembered, and embraced by ALL people, but especially those of African heritage, because this is THEIR history. Still, this love for self and appreciation for the ancestors aint gon come about just by pairin up black people with other black people: there's gotta be supportive love and balance and a desire to learn, too.

Common's little girl is gon learn all that (saw mami at the concert in the 'Nati... she was so cute and so SERIOUS!). Doc Brown, Yungun, and Rising Son are adament about the fact that they have learned all that, too, even tho they, or maybe just some of them, got parents of different backgrounds. Maybe there's some Rasta guy out there who has dated all races, and eventually settles down with a white woman who he feels really compliments all that he has to offer, and who understands the message of Rastifarianism, and he loves that and everything else about her. Is he still gonna get judged? Yeah. why? cuz the stereotype exists and a lotta folks gon' take the liberty to mentally map out his motives befo he ever opens his mouth.

we all do that. how many times have YOU assumed some shit about:

the black girl huggin on the white man in the subway.

the white girl who gets into the car with that black guy every morning down the block.

the black/white man who takes his white/black girlfriend shopping.

most of us assume when we really have no way of knowing.

funny shit is, we hate when other people do it to us.

~~
"SCREAM at me."
-m.dot


  

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<------- The most important release of 2006, coming on July 23.
UPDATE: It's a boy!!!!!!

  

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62. "meh"
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64. "This is what happens when talented artists express their frustrations..."
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...gossip bitches pounce.

  

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65. "RE: This is what happens when talented artists express their frustration..."
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>...gossip bitches pounce.

Thats just idiotic. It is called discussion.

  

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66. "What's idiotic is that you took it personal..."
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when I wasn't even talking about you. I was talking about Rising Sun and the other nameless fools who are trying to make themselves known by shouting insults at Common when they don't even know the whole story

In They Say Common expresses a conflict within himself he's trying to correct -- and that's when the gossip bitches pounce.

^ And there's a diff between gossip and discussion.

  

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67. "RE: What's idiotic is that you took it personal..."
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>when I wasn't even talking about you. I was talking about
>Rising Sun and the other nameless fools who are trying to make
>themselves known by shouting insults at Common when they don't
>even know the whole story
>
>In They Say Common expresses a conflict within himself he's
>trying to correct -- and that's when the gossip bitches
>pounce.
>
>^ And there's a diff between gossip and discussion.


there is nothing personal about it. just discussion. they responded to his song "real people" cause they disagree. how is that a problem? Maybe I dont understand where you are coming from, but this post was about the lines in "real people."

  

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>
>http://www.hiphopgame.co.uk/audio.php
>
>peep the Dear Common track, made by Rising Son (nas thiefs
>theme contest winner), Doc Brown & Yungun which is their
>response to his outspoken opinions about inter-racial
>relationships.
>


quick way for recognition? diss one of the hottest cats out now, i'm sure common's not the only artist to have brought up interracial relationships. bunch of nobody's looking for a little fame.

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i feel like people can think this all through and make themselves aware, and then come to a decision about it all. blacks and whites can get together and it's perfectly fine, and can be beautiful. same with those who are within the same race. but the interacial thing can really make you think and challenge you. i mean, you could just say, forget how everyone feels...but is that really how you wanna appproach it. particularly considering the dehumanizing common past that black males and females shared. i think most people who are thinking about these issues would want to at least really understand anothers position




when black men date a white women, they might come off like it's kinda sayin that a black women is not good enough. i bet it is maddening for a black female and also frightening and disheartening. should we ignore such a lightening rod and hurtful emotion we cause in others?

the next line in the lyrics is about how we are "told" to go beyond the surface of it, that skin color doesn't matter. but nevertheless, it could be a huge blow to the conscience of the other human beings we share this world with.

sometimes an interacial relationship will have all the good intentions and love...no animosity towards races. but other people see it. and the relationship may unintentionally "lessen" the merit or worth of another human being. and if that happens too much, everyone ends up being hurt in the long run.

  

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