Some people who heard voodoo said it sounds really similar. And alot of what im hearing has to do with the drums. Which brings to my interesting question. WHAT is Questloves obsession with sounding like a drum machine when he plays the drums?? Why no snare sound hardly?? I understand hes hip hop but doesnt he realize it is kind of monotonous?? Im just saying why does Ummah and Questlove think their new drums are "Da hypnotic " to me its the "LA-CONIC" ALl the drums sound the same. Doesnt Quest understand the absurdity of sounding like a drum machine when you have the skills of his caliber?? I dont get it...and believe me you are gonna get flack from it. From not just critics but drummers. IT doesnt add up and it just limits yourself as a drummer. I think personally quest should rethink because brother if people could play like you they wouldnt be using drum machines in the first place. When I listened to left n right I thought why does somebody want to sound like a drum machine?? Does this have somethin to do with getting it played on the radio?? Or do you prefer to sound like a drum machine?? The last thing we want quest is you sounding like trackmasters on a track. <P>

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I am not knocking drum machines. I like when its done creatively and they use alot different drum sounds. For instance autechre is one group that has amazing programming on their albums. Another is aphex twin. Squarepusher and Prince in the 80's had pretty nice drum programming with the LINN. Why the thud snare? Thats all im getting at ... I know alot drummers who would be like why the heck is there no snare sound hardly? Rimshots a good example of somebody playing this out is on Erykah Badu. Every single track sounded almost the same type of drums its like hardly any diversity. <P><BR>"Course thats my opinion I could be wrong" <P>

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i understand where dude's coming from. i noticed the same thing on badu's album. but i figured that it was just something i had to get used to. the thing that's always bothered me most about contemporary r&b--and even more so in the "neo-soul" thing--is the flaccidity of the drum sounds. when you listen to someone like stevie wonder (highly underrated drummer), you can even tune out the rest of the music and hear the story in the drums as he pounded with such wit and ebullience. even under a tender ballad, the drums gave the songs balls.<P>but i know quest knows all this (as he showed on DYWM???!!???, and he has maintained that every drummer has their own style. he has also maintained that the work on "voodoo" defines him as a drummer. maybe it's just something i'll get used to. after all, most of prince's work was unlistenable to me back in the 80s cos of the monotonous linn drum patterns, but looking back, i guess it worked in the context.

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i really must commend you on your music tastes; have you heard that aphex/squarepusher track on the Wap100 compilation? now THOSE were good drums.

I wonder with all the different sounds and styles that were used on Voodoo. Why are the drums the only thing that never changes? I've heard or read Quest say that "less is more", I'm wondering if he means the structure of the beat or just his sound?<P>"it's not paranoia when they are really out to get you"-Unknown

...the title of your post reminded me of this convo:<P>Co-Worker: Yo, I didn't know Erykah got down like that!<BR>Me: Huh?<BR>CW: you heard that song Rimshot, right<BR>Me: yeah<BR>CW: well i was talking with this girl and she said that rimshot had something to do with anal sex...<BR>Me: (laughing hysterically)<BR>CW: I mean, cmon dawg...<BR>Me: (still laughing)<BR>CW: (singing) "I need a rimshot...yeah...a rimshot"<BR>Me: (tears streaming) nah...nah...nah...a rimshot is when you hit the drumstick on the rim of the snare drum (showing him). It has NOTHING to do with anal sex, man<BR>CW: oh! Oh ok. I'm just saying, if she gets down like dat she gets down like dat...<BR>Me: (starts laughing again as my supervisor comes in telling me to be quiet...)<P>One<BR>Improv!?, yadda yadda yadda...<P>Rest In Dunn-ness, Peter Dunn (1978-1999) "The young dies too early"

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there is some complex ish going on in ?uestlove's so called drum machine impression. To maintain those beats is spectacular...that's the beauty of ?uests style. To say anything negative about the beat from the hypnotic(or the notic) is crazy...I remember the first time I played the roots for my father(he's been listening to jazz his whole life). he basically dropped his jaw when the hypnotic came on. the patience and discipline it takes to lay down a beat like that and keep it going for 5 minutes is amazing. if you are just looking for lazy drum fills, pick up some 80's rock and go bananas. Otherwise, smoke some weed, grab a bag of cheetos and just relax to some hynotic ish from brother ?uestion.<P>support your local underground

i wasn't dissing ?uest at all! i feel his drumming style. personally, i'm used to more "raucous" drumming, but i know that ?uest does what he does deliberately, not out of incompetence or laziness, so i'm willing to see where he's going with it.

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manufactured? nope. not one bit. IMHO, ?uest is the undisputed king of the live breakbeat (real drums-not machine). Granted, sometimes I feel fooled when I listen to Illadelph Halflife (not enough cymbal crashing); but then I think of the skill it takes to create a beat like that consisently on a real drum set, and I can really appreciate what Ahmir is trying to do: FOOL ALL OF Y'ALL hahahahaha!<P>One world, many minds.<P>Framamind<BR>(the okp formerly known as eD)<BR>SPAS accredited<P>Support okayfam! pick up 'The AutNoyz Project' cd (featuring Ya Ya) at mp3.com<BR><a href="http://www.mp3.com/artists/60/autnoyz.html" target="_blank">http://www.mp3.com/artists/60/autnoyz.html<;/a><P>"it aint no settling in my settling down, settling ends in settlements, see we should---be suttle, how we a team, but never<BR> been in a huddle?" - P!<P>"Our so-called leaders speak/with words they try to jail ya/they subjugate the meek/but it's the rhetoric of failure"<P>"Youngbloods can't spell but they can rock you at playstation..."- Mos Def<P>"Well, of COURSE everything looks bad if you remember it!" -Homer Simpson<P>"...Nick is superhumanhiphophead!!"-MBclassick

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first of all, in this day and age of swiss cheese, who are you comparing me to? i mean if i wasn't so vocal, you wouldn't know that my shit was me playing. you would asume that it was a machine.<P>eff it. maybe i had one to many sours tonight (new years) but i never brag on my shit. but when it comes to "voodoo". i'm sorry. i will turn into a monster. can you listen to "player, player" and not sit still? i mean money please. my shit is funky like mildew drawers. my style varies on "voodoo". it's just a coincidence that all my rim shot funk shits got choosen. i did deep snare. no snare. rock shits. i did it all. but these are the songs d choose.<P>but as for me. sorry but i will always keep my shit funky and disiplined. i hate show off ass drummers cause they selfish and always tryin to show their skills. eff that, my bank account stays full because, i keep my shit funky, and in the pocket. this ain't "tom sawyer".....<P><P><P><P><P>"....start your own company??!? your parents don't have enough money to buy you a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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>first of all, in this day and <BR>>age of swiss cheese, who are <BR>>you comparing me to? i mean <BR>>if i wasn't so vocal, you <BR>>wouldn't know that my shit was <BR>>me playing. you would asume that <BR>>it was a machine. <BR>>eff it. maybe i had one to <BR>>many sours tonight (new years) but <BR>>i never brag on my shit. <BR>>but when it comes to "voodoo". <BR>>i'm sorry. i will turn into <BR>>a monster. can you listen to <BR>>"player, player" and not sit still? <BR>>i mean money please. my shit <BR>>is funky like mildew drawers. my <BR>>style varies on "voodoo". it's just <BR>>a coincidence that all my rim <BR>>shot funk shits got choosen. i <BR>>did deep snare. no snare. rock <BR>>shits. i did it all. but <BR>>these are the songs d choose. <BR>><BR>>but as for me. sorry but i <BR>>will always keep my shit funky <BR>>and disiplined. i hate show off <BR>>ass drummers cause they selfish and <BR>>always tryin to show their skills. <BR>>eff that, my bank account stays <BR>>full because, i keep my shit <BR>>funky, and in the pocket. this <BR>>ain't "tom sawyer"..... <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>"....start your own company??!? your parents don't <BR>>have enough money to buy you <BR>>a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <P>as a fellow drummer I'd like to say that if I had to choose a sound to stick with for the rest of my life it would be somewhere between you and Carter Beauford- but what I'm trying to get at was that I'd like to hear your approach to different sounds. its just to bad that D left those sounds out, I'd like to listen to a track and be fooled every once and a while(damn that was quest, I didn't think he could get down like that!) so I guess I have to say something nice after talking about your style so I'll end with this, I played Double Trouble for a "I can't stand hip-hop white dude" and when the intro to the track began-his ears perked up and but he still tried to front until I told that those drums were live, the result was he bought all a The Roots ablums and has become questluv afficianado-peace<P>Its not paranoid when they are really out to get you"-Unknown

(And I dont post frequently to compliment the Roots personnel but..)<P>Ahmir, I loved your work on "Africa."<P>That is my misty-eye song on Voodoo. The drumming really takes D's beautiful tunr to a new level. It makes me dream of the night that I finally will see a sky full of stars on a West African beach, hopefully with my little girl Ayorinde <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif"> ((blush)). That song is a blacksouldaddyluvsbaby-tye thang, and I cant get enough. (Boom, Boo-KAK, KA-Boom-boom-KAK Tzzzz-TZZZZZT! kak!!) Ahh man LOL<P>Good work, baby Bruva!

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I would hope that YOU actually heard VooDoo from beginning to end before going on how there's some type of "backlash" against it because of the drumming. I hope that you're not going on some he said, she said ish.<P>If you go from "Player, Player" to "Africa" I doubt any person that apprecaites good music could say that the drumming was monotous. Have you heard "Spanish Joint"? <P>Yes, for the most part on this album the drumming is spare. I think that anything else would've have taken away greatly from the spirit of the album. As I understand it, the album is about the the spirit of music or music creation, not necessarily the practice of Voodoun, but simply letting the music come to you and following its lead (which is probably why it took the brother so damn long to finish teh album). And IMHO only a laid back, spare style of drumming would've properly complimented songs like "The Root", "Untitled", "The Line" and "Greatdayinnamornin'". <P>But the drumming on cutss like Spanish Joint and Africa rose to the occassion of those songss which called for a slightly different mood.<BR>A drummer is not supposed to get in the way of the music. Unfortunately so many drummers these days, of all genres, feel the nedd to get in the way of the music and the message.<P>Now Greg Tate took issue with Quest's drumming in his wonderful and glowing review of VooDoo. I actually think the points Greg made were fair critiques even though I disagreed that the Quest's style took away from the music. Greg felt, as I assume that you do, that a more varied style throughout the album would've added to the album. And as I first read his review I was inclined o agree. But as I listened to Voodoo over and over again, I have to disagree wholehertedly. <P>VooDoo is reminiscent of old-school funk. The type of funk that came out of Stax Records, The Ohio Players, etc. and the drummingn fits that bill as well.<P><BR>Now if you dislike like Ahmir's signature style ( playing like a drum machine), that is your right. But the discipline and rigor that it takes to drum like a drum machine is amazing and is well suited to the work he has done thus far, IMHO (COME ON, "Double Trouble", the breakdown in "You Got Me"). However in regards to VooDoo I think the drumming fits very well with the over all vision of the album. If you listen to teh album and absorb the whole vibe, I doubt you'll disagree.<P>This whole conversation is funny to me because you can log onto Prince websites or newsgroups and read people berate Prince's monotnous drum machine programming on one album and then say how amazing the drums were on Sign of the Times even though he used the same technique and same drum machine for so many of his albums during that period.<P>Oh well.<P>"Only when lions have historians will hunters cease to he heroes." - African Proverb

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>This whole conversation is funny to me <BR>>because you can log onto Prince <BR>>websites or newsgroups and read people <BR>>berate Prince's monotnous drum machine programming <BR>>on one album and then say <BR>>how amazing the drums were on <BR>>Sign of the Times even though <BR>>he used the same technique and <BR>>same drum machine for so many <BR>>of his albums during that period.<P>That is madd funny cuz that reminded me back in 90 when me and my man O was having a talk about how simular Bobby Z drumming was. Boom Bap Boom Bap...on madd songs. Yet we both was like whatever the songs are banging. Nesta on point as always!<P>Uno<BR>Improv!?

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First off you made the mistake about similar programming. Sorry to say theres areason why people dislike Kirky J its cuz he uses presets. Its been proven already that he does. Second you compare Prince to Kirky js monotonous programming. AND you steppped your bounds 2 far. sorry but lets take a look at the differences Track by track<P>Sign O the times ...complete different drum programming unorthodox rhythm pattern has the fairlight in effect on this one. Different.... <P>next song is live drums...so will skip that ... <P>Housequake-this has some interesting bass kick drum pulses plus mixing with the live drums. Dont try to compare this to kirky J please. <P>Ballad of Dorothy Parker-Im not even gonna say or explain the greatness of this beat. Completely different.... Id also like you to add that eeach snare and kickdrum is different sounding as well. When I say Presets this is not it amigo<P>It -this is the first clap drum thats real loud on here. I never really liked that song <P>Starfish and Coffee- this is a backwards drum beat lets not even compare this to Kirky js programming <BR> Slow love -live drums <P>Hot thing:The use of the fairlight and some different type of bass sound plus a pop sounding snare. <P>Forever in my life-another creative use of the fair light different type of bassline <P>U got the look-Live drums with Drum programming some timbale action once again a different sounding beat. There is variance on the drums very much so <P>If I was your girlfriend-Fairlight programming with some weird off accent bass plus some live slap bass to keep it in the pocket. Once again different and so forth.... <P>Basically if you take a look at princes programming in the 80's he didnt use presets which is the huge complaint of Kirky J. You can say you dont like the drums but all the drum sounds prince used was varied. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. He put thought into it where Kirky J just presses a button. But Prince has always been a great programmer see for example <BR>777-9311<BR>I would die for you <BR>Batdance <BR> The list goes on and on ... Somethin in the water... The big difference between prince and kirky j is one is montonous I mean you can even tell when prince programs on Rave The sun moon and stars with its finger snaps and jittery Hi hat Id love to back you on your claim of it being similar to SOTT and the 90's drum work but it isnt and never will be. Thats a fact. <P><BR>After all of that you can see where everything didnt have thought. The big difference is when Kirky J started seeping in after 95 and started programming exclusively for prince. Basically used loop programs found off cd roms as well. It became more plastic........<P>Sad but true.... <P>

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Sign of the Times is one of my all time favorite albums of all times and my favorite Prince album (well tied with Parade). If you read what I wrote carefully, you would see , I was referring to the nature of this conversation and how it reminded me of Prince fans complaining about how everything sounded monotonous while they berated certain tracks that were done pretty much the same way as other tracks that they claimed were unbelievable and trust me they were not making the distinctions that you made between Kirky J presets and Prince's drum programming on cuts like Dorothy Parker.<P>That was what I said. I wasn't trying to compare Prince vs. Kirky J. I threw that little piece in as an aside. I'd prefer that this conversation get back to the drumming on VooDoo. I know ther are plenty of other players that heard VooDoo and I'd like them to way in on this issue.<P>"Only when lions have historians will hunters cease to he heroes." - African Proverb

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This post is a total waste of typography. I can not believe that you, Mr. Johnson, has a problem with Quest's drumming? Questlove saved my life! Until I heard The Roots and Erykah I thought the use of live drumming in "R&B" (I use this term loosely) had died. I didn't want to reply to this post, because for some reason I always seem to reply to yours. But, I came back to it after the Y2K, and I have to say: You are critical of the wrong folk. I know, I know, I shouldn't talk. I have something to say about everything, but MONONTONOUS?! You have obviously never heard monotony. If you did it wasn't on Voodoo. And it sure wasn't from Questlove. With the exception of Tony, Toni, Tone (Tim Wiggins), and Mint Condition (Stokely, Chris Daddy Dave), you won't hear live drums on black radio. <P>Yeah, you can get into the science of drumming and all that, but I haven't heard a song like "Untitled" on the radio since 1990. If I did it was probably on the Quiet Storm or some shit like that. I mean this song has reached chickenheads hearts. Do you know the impossibility of that? I think radio could be onto something here. So if it takes what you think are monotonous drums to do it, so be it. Most of the "great" songs by Prince, Earth, Wind & Fire, The Commodores, etc., "suspiciously" have similar drum patterns. I'm a singer. "Suspiciously" my voice has the same pattern, but I pray to God no one notices.

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What I said was that quests goal to play like a drum machine on tracks doesnt make sense to me. Why not use a drum machine if its so difficult in the end to do that? AND also I wondered why I didnt hear hardly any snare. And I didnt diss quest it was just questioning why...People got riled up but really I wanted to sincerely know the reason why quest didnt have a snare sound hardly. Now I have that answer D picked the sounds. Oh and quest as for dissing show off drummers WELL... if you are good at showing your fills and ish it then I say do it when the time is right. Can you say Steve Smith? I knew you could. I know Quest is a great drummer I never said that I just questioned the drum sounds THAT is all. Aint nothing wrong with that ID question ya mama if she bought Pure Moods off the Tv when you can get it in the stores for less. Im just a inquisitive person aint no need for "YOUUUU HAVE DESECRATED THE HOLY TEMPLE OF QUESTLOVE" from the fans. I am much as a fan as you its just I operate on different terms. I asked George Duke why he stopped doing jazz fusion albums and he told me in a email. I asked him matter of factly "Did you know alot people give you alot of flack for making contempoary sounding stuff?? " And he answered me in a great way. I always wonder about musicians its part of my quirks. It leads me to other paths and things. Thats why I ask the things I do on here.

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when i try to drum for other folks i try to give an unique sound to each artist which is hard. dirty mind was a major influenece on this record. if you listen to it, those sounds are the same on all the songs. <P>as these songs have the same feel becasue these are d's sounds. rimshot shit is his. sometimes i laid drums first to different music to come back and hear a whole new arrangement. (2nd half of "great day inna morning was different then what i played to; "untitled" was crash free because the song wasn't written yet. i just played for 8 minutes straight.<P>however if indeed you have "voodoo" i would like to hear how you would approach the drums. i did rim because even though each song "sounds" sparse, i guarantee you we used at least 60 tracks a song (synched 2 a dat machines). and when you deal with a vocal based artist, you have to step outta the way. think of this as ball. take all music away, and you will hear d is clearly a jordan. and we all can't be a jordan. so yes am i a bench warmer? yes. if i overplayed, then it wouldn't have been balanced right.<P>and as for my stlye. sorry. my shit is that tight. but if you listen closely (and i'm assuming you do have the record) you would actually have to acknowledge that this is some of my sloppiest shit in eons. very anti machine. well this argument is over. can't wait to see what you say for the next roots record. <P><P><P><P><P><P><P>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>aniakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

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the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
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First off, I would like to thank you for the beautiful music you've contributed to putting out here,and advancing as well as furthering the art of black music. NOw straight up I remind you of this, simple reality. One of the greatest albums of all time, KIND OF BLUE. YOu know the drums, you know how they sound. Has anyone on here ever even mentioned Miles to you. Dig this man, TOny Williams, do they know about Tony, or Danny Richmond, or Elvin Jones. Hell no, they don't. Sheeeiiiit, they probably thank jazz is Winton Marsalis and Kenny G. lol... ANyway man. I live, breath study and was raised in a household full of the roots of black music going all the way back to the first instrument, mouth, body and drum. But not to go off on a tangent man, these cats have no clue what that rimshot is all about, nor do they understand building up moods with rhythm. I mean these cats is talking about you try to sound like a drum machine. man fuck that, do they even understand what a drum machine does. I doubt it. At any rate. I love your work on not only the Roots but D's shit as well. Especially D's shit. I was at the concert in Frisco were you had two drummers to attempt to produce your sound and they couldn't. I mean check, these cats don't have a clue about communication, soul communication and getting that musical Vibe you and D got. Yall niggas is str8 connected you here me. I here it in the way yall talk about each other as well as the music. And that is most likely why he built songs around what your drums did. At anyrate, these are people who either want flashy gaudie, Timbo shit, or that old fashioned as 2-4 shit you know. Just the way you transition in you r style is the shit. But yo' sorry to bore you man.<BR>But on the real I respect you and take direction from you and D musically. Ya'll is lookin' like the new Mingus and Richmond, for reall, Miles and Philly Joe. Straight up though.<BR> Just a question how do you feel about Prince live 1984, "When Doves Cry" the one with the bass in it. That shit is the ultimate Prince tear jerker for me, especially when he tears his hat off and just throws that shit.<BR>Halla at me on here or in E-mail.<BR>Keep leading and ascending Quest. Cuz the knowing is certainlly understanding.<BR>PEACE:<BR>AKHENATON aka, SANTERO.

dude, i did not agree with jefleejohnson's evaluation of quest's drumming and i definitely can't comment on the work he did on "voodoo" since i one of the people waiting impatiently for the 25th to roll around. but i think the man has the right to ask a few questions and voice his view. what's up with all that "y'all's ign'ant" shit? just cos they don't agree with you? so you assume that he was saying he wanted "timbo shit"? fuck that, man...<P>...and while we're at it, what the fuck is wrong with wynton marsalis? i think he's a bit of a jerk, and maybe leans a bit too much on technique over passion, but you can't front: the boy can blow!<P>"...i put no faith in the majority" - El P<P>"do i have a chance if i don't sing or dance/write about romance/or wear short pants?" - Mistachuck

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

Ignorance is no were near the same as stupidity and should not be taken in any way as a form of disrespect. To be ignorant as we all are, concerning several subjects is to be unaware of something. As the many people such as Jefflee or anyone else who would say Voodoo is a backlash is unaware of what voodoo is in it entirety. Or who Wynton Marsalis is in his entirety. Who is Wynton? Wynton like many people is about as they would say "the perservation, reservation of classic jazz, and classical music as well as the blues." Why is this horrible? Because if it weren't for the evolution of the blues and classical music he would not exist and we would have no idea of the beauty possesed in American music (jazz). YOu see Wynton is not about furthering the art form. He composes songs and plays songs in an oldfashioned manner. Nothing he has done has done anything to amplify jazz nor further it. Jazz has been stagnant ever sinse Miles died. And Wynton blatantly disrespected MIles. Now, Miles is who Wynton took his direction from and still does and even sounds like. Now how does this apply here? Wynton can't see beyond his comfort zone. The jazz he and his father grew up on. Regardless if he can blow or not, which he can fairly well. Wynton has blown jazz back 100 hundred years. And because he has won awards and is popular people think he's the shit. Now Quest and D'angelo all know this hopefully and thats why they got with Roy Hargrove and Charlie HUnter. Two men of which are about the constant progression of the music and the resurrection of its roots. These roots being rhythm, melody, and harmony, played with all the souls forces found in ones lineage and inspirational backgrounds. This music is about communicating from one soul to another and enlightening one soul to another. Or turning the ignorant into the knowing, and allowing the stupid's to realize their ignorance and becoming the knowing. See its a cycle. And "Voodoo" as a religious practice as well as Santeria all explain this cycle of forces that be and the awareness they create. If I lost you at the end forgive me.<BR>PEACE:<BR>SANTERO><P>hopefully understood, much respect AFKAP.

This is so effin bullshit!! BULLSHIT!! You are disrgarding all the great jazz works of the 90s? Sure Metheny ...Hunter ... Hancock all these guys are just making nothing interesting!! Whatever thats a load of crap to me. To disregard every artist of the 90's just because a jazz icon has died. I think theres some fine releases of the 90's Theres Jim Halls album releases. Dont even try to tell me those are stagnant. He has a sense of creativity and artistry. Theres Steve Coleman. Theres Graham Haynes... Theres so many people in music today who are doing great albums. The only thing stagnant is the close minded view on elitist jazz people.

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But to me he teaches what he knows about music to people who want to listen. Why is it you would disregard one mans legacy over some views on music? You know I read something on John Fahey avant jazz guitarist and I thought this guy was interesting. So im reading and he says "Im GLAD JERRY GARCIA IS DEAD" and I thought what a aasshole. Its music and thats a guy you are glad isnt making music anymore. But it doesnt mean I dont like what Fahey does. His slide work is great. So in contrast with Wynton I might disgree with alot of his views on jazz but I also think he has a great outlook on discussing music and explaining what it is to him. He gets along with kids too explaining music. Whats so bad about helping out schools?? But you know what? Leonard Bernstein was hard to deal with too. But aint nobody gonna say he didnt do nothing for music. It would just be a funny statement. Alot of people didnt like Zappa cuz of the things he said. He was a button pusher. I mean artists have their quirks im not gonnna disregard somebodys work by what they say or think. Which is what you seem to be saying Santero.

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i wanted to reply yesterday, but the server was giving me a little trouble. anyway, it looks like jefleejohnson's already said a lot of stuff i wanted to say. i'll just add that it's a frigging insult to say that wynton marsalis isn't jazz and to mention him in the same breath as kenny g. is he overly obsessed with ellington and miles' classic late-50s work? maybe. is his work more curatorial than innovative? i think so. but he sure as hell ain't taking jazz back 100 years! maybe he's not taking it forward, either, but...<P>anyway, my main problem with your comments was your supercillious tone. frankly, i thought you were trying to kiss quest's ass (oooh meestah quest, you are such great hero of black music! i loooove black music and know many black musicians like tony williams! do THESE CATS know tony williams? no! they are not like you and me, meestah quest! please email me!)<P>i know who tony williams and i'm sure jeflee does as well. you gotta be careful how you talk to people on a forum like this, cos for all you know, i might be jeff "tain" watts... shit, i might be tony williams his damn self resurrected from the grave!<P>it's not beef, though, y'know. we cool.

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

I will not argue with you or try to change your oppinion on the subject matter of Wynton Marsalis and jazz in the nineteen nineties. Personally underground bands are making wonderful music and pushin' it even further my freinds yet they have no recognition. I have seen Marsalis's beginners video and it was cute. I've read articles on him and listened to his music, giving him a chance to move me. Unfortunantly I was not moved. The only album of his that moved me was Reinassance. The third song is nice. The other new music of the nineties that is considered jazz, doesn't move me. I still dig HErbie, and Chick Corea, and Pharoah Saunders, but as far as the cats yall mentioned I don't feel. Yet I have tried and their music does not move, nor inspire me. To put it bluntly I have heard nothing from popular jazz that is inovative sinse MIles died. By saying this I am not saying you shouldn't be moved but I'm just informing you of what popular jazz hasn't done. Yet with in the next ten years you will see a change, trust me. NOw as for saying that you all don't know certain muscians, that was taken out of context. My statement did not refer to you AFKAP, my response referred to people who dissed his drummin'. And regardless of if you know them or not, the point is do they understand them or not. As for my ass kissin' wit' Quest, That was me simply reassuring Quest that he need not worry about cats that don't feel him cuz its a bunch a cats that do, and I further went on to explain why he shouldn't sweat cats you know. Because through my many years as a struggling artist, I've always taken crtism serrious especially constructive critiscm. And that critism at times has the ability to drive an artist crazy. YOu see how Quest was trying to make up for the constant rimshot shit by blaming it all on D. Thats all, alot of people on here love to bashthe artist instead of reassuring the artist and thats not what this type of forum should be used for. True I bashed Wynton, yet this isn't Wyntons site you understand... Regardless of our discussion I sincerly hope you all buy D'Angelo's album and judge for yourselves.<BR>PEACE.

this post reminds me of a saying i once heard that goes something like: "a critic is like a crippled person who gives advice on how to run."<P>jeflee- are you a drummer? just curious. i don't disrespect anyone for sharing their opinion, i just don't agree. <P>i trust quest to know how he wants a certain song to sound, he's by far the best drummer i've ever seen with my two eyes, he is too qool.<P>ASALAAM ALAYKUM<BR>heaven<P>"self preservation is a full-time occupation..." ani

.......is I just won a bet. I told my friend that the drumming on "Untitled" was real drumming. He said it was a drum machine. Basically, we almost came to blows over this(good thing I walked away, cause I would've kicked his....nevermind). So, I made a bet with him. Now I can't wait to throw this in his face and see him get mad for being wrong. HA HA !!!! Quest, I knew you had the tight drum skills. Keep tapping.

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I have had Voodoo for about a week now.I have been tryin to duplicate the same techniques Quest used with my drums. That $#!t is tight as hell.The fact that my man can keep his beats that raw and so precise to emulate a drum machine is amazing.No one ever knocks Premiers shit, cuz he's the man of course,but every Primo joint has the exact same beat!!!!Every single one.Don't get me wrong I love Primo but leave my nigga Quest alone, cuz his shit is tight!

which makes the pain of the credits/liner notes thing so friggin painful.<P>"ahmir thompson" is credited with "player","send it on","chicken grease","spanish joint","that's the time","greatdayinnamornin/booty", and "africa".<P>this was supposed to be a---god nevermind, i bitch too much.....<P>devil's pie, and left and right are the only joints i'm not on.<P><P><P><P><P>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne