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broke
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"TO COMMON: With all due respect, FUCK THAT SHIT!"


          

I own all 3 of your albums that I purchased my hard earned money on. And have seen you live every chance I can get, driving over 300 miles to do so. But I will not go to the store and buy this album. I am sorry you feel that soundscan dictates your success for you. But I do not think you should dare place the blame on fans like myself and others of your music who have chosen to download YOUR album that YOUR record label LEAKED OUT to this audience. <P>Maybe you should have realized that most of the fans on this site specifically, and worldwide generally, don't know that when they go to Tower Records or Sam Goody and spend money on your CD rather than a sandwich for lunch.<P>I will have one of my friends download the album for me and photocopy the album cover and credits. Because there is a bigger issue at hand. The issue is that when I purchase your album, I am willing to bet that more than half of the proceeds go to the the MAN at Universal. I will not stand for that. Call me a radical for believing that when I purchase an album I want the money to go to the artist. So I ASK you, to email me back with your home address and I will send you a money order addressed to you for whatever percentage you and your crew WOULD have gotten from me going to the record store and spending my $15-20 (whatever ridiculous fee they charging now) PLUS 9% Sales Tax in the State of Washington. I don't have all the answers. But I do know that this muthafuckin industry is EVIL. And I would LOVE to be apart of tearing it down and seeing artists represent themselves grassroots style. FUCK THE INDUSTRY, when I download your album for free and do not purchasing it, I'm not trying to diss you, I'm dissing the men pulling strings above you, not to say you are a puppet, but financially, man...Isn't your message more important? It is to me. Don't fall into their trap. If I'm an asshole let me know, I am pretty good at taking criticism. To all the nutswinging "FUCK YOU BROKE" robots, I encourage you to reasonable debate this. I am sending this message out to Common Sense. Like Water for Chocolate, can't wait to put it in my CD Player.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
What? Are u fucked up in the head??
Supreme
Mar 03rd 2000
1
READ!
Mar 03rd 2000
2
I understand...but
Supreme
Mar 03rd 2000
4
He can't do anything about it?!!
Mar 06th 2000
37
serioulsy though
Mar 04th 2000
18
This is effin rediculous!
Mar 06th 2000
41
***BROKE YOU BETTER READ THIS***
Mar 06th 2000
43
doesnt matter to me
djs
Mar 07th 2000
64
P.S.- I know you were dissin Gay-Z, LOVE IT!
Mar 03rd 2000
3
Sorry Staff...Didn't read that post until after I posted it
Mar 03rd 2000
5
Good intentions but it'll have a bad effect
Mar 03rd 2000
6
So your saying just accept the master's crumbs?
Mar 03rd 2000
8
      I think you're right, but...
Mar 04th 2000
24
      in theory, yes, but
Mar 04th 2000
25
           Strategic alliances
Mar 06th 2000
38
           TESTIFY!!!!!!!
Mar 06th 2000
39
           Two questions....
Mar 06th 2000
47
                Answers
Mar 06th 2000
58
           Hmmm...disagree slightly
Mar 07th 2000
65
I think you are missing the point.
Mar 03rd 2000
7
hey broke.....
will736
Mar 03rd 2000
9
C'mon now damn...
Mar 03rd 2000
10
damn
Mar 04th 2000
20
      Umm.. well lets see
Mar 04th 2000
26
           point taken
Mar 04th 2000
28
hmm..
Mar 03rd 2000
11
Supporting &quot;the man&quot;
Mar 06th 2000
42
Common Stalker? &quot;SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS&quot; WTF?
Mar 03rd 2000
12
damn broke....
Mar 03rd 2000
13
hmmmm i see broke is at it again huh?
Mar 03rd 2000
14
Fallacy Alert
Mar 03rd 2000
15
      Didnt mean to reply to Quest
Mar 03rd 2000
17
not again........
Mar 03rd 2000
16
I was thinking the same thing
Mar 04th 2000
19
CONTROVERSY!!!
Mar 04th 2000
21
I will....
Mar 04th 2000
22
Y'all fuckin' kill me...
Mar 04th 2000
27
      ummm, yeah
Mar 04th 2000
29
      lookie here....
Mar 04th 2000
31
      100%
Mar 07th 2000
61
youre a fucking retard
Mar 04th 2000
23
ummm....ok
Mar 07th 2000
62
Damn, this isn't my man broke from the EB, is it????
Forrest
Mar 04th 2000
30
JUST COP THE MANS ALBUM
Mar 05th 2000
32
what is the real issue here?
missphilippinethang
Mar 05th 2000
33
      you can't be truly broke
Mar 05th 2000
34
oh snap, this is the same &quot;roots you better read this&quot; guy?
Mar 05th 2000
35
question for broke
Mar 05th 2000
36
GOD DAMMIT BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 06th 2000
40
THIS IS THE ONLY THING I'M POSTING
Crossfaded
Mar 06th 2000
44
It's my be passion...
Mar 06th 2000
49
      Whoa!
Crossfaded
Mar 06th 2000
50
      LOOK MONEY...
Mar 06th 2000
51
           Yes,
Crossfaded
Mar 06th 2000
53
                Your takin' up for &quot;Ya Man&quot;...
Mar 06th 2000
55
                     Fade is like...
Crossfaded
Mar 06th 2000
56
      DAMN LOOK AT ME...
Mar 06th 2000
52
I wasn't gonna reply, but I got a trigger finger!
Mar 06th 2000
45
haha
Mar 07th 2000
63
common
Mar 06th 2000
46
Poor dude
Lyricist1
Mar 06th 2000
48
I agree in theory...
mogabog
Mar 06th 2000
54
WTF.
Mar 06th 2000
57
the issue is.....
Forrest
Mar 06th 2000
59
How this works....
Mar 07th 2000
66
      Exactly.......
Mar 08th 2000
67
EFF that!!
Mar 07th 2000
60
Real Implications
Mar 08th 2000
68
Get of the Ra Ra!!
Dredyorknot
Mar 09th 2000
69

Supreme

Fri Mar-03-00 01:31 PM

  
1. "What? Are u fucked up in the head??"
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I agree with you that artists don't get as much as they deserve but how is you not buying the album helping Common? Common is an artist in purest form. Why should he not get paid for his work? Listen to "The Truth". He says "I'm not in this just to rhyme great." He need to make a living somehow. Why take away from Common because u don't agree with record companies?<P>Peace

  

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broke
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2. "READ!"
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I don't wanna take from Common. I even offered to pay him his percentage (and I'll probably throw in a tip if I feel like it). He ain't gettin shit from his labels compared to what he should be gettin. He's making a bunch of rich white men richer.

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Supreme

Fri Mar-03-00 01:39 PM

  
4. "I understand...but"
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He can't do anything about it? I know that the majority of the money he makes will go to people other than himself. That post is uncalled for. Don't complain to Common, complain to the company, although that won't do much either. This is just like your ROOTS U BETTER READ THIS post. That was uncalled for as well as this. You are just trying to create controversy on the boards.<P>Peace

  

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nahymsa
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37. "He can't do anything about it?!!"
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I'm sorry but that's simply not true...nobody held a gun to Common's head & forced him to sign a record deal. There are other ways for artists to get their music out.<P>

  

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18. "serioulsy though"
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this is like a new label for him<P>how do you know how much he's getting. he might have a sweeter deal than with relativity. hey man listen, i'm sure common would prefer you to cop his album rather than do what you are going to do . because if that were the case. he would say. "download the ish and send me money" <P>helll he probably would get cash in the mail but you know what else he would get? dropped. look at the big picture bruh. 5-10 years down the .....wait a minute. i'm through.<P> surely he himself will come and respond<P>peace <P><BR>rappers i crush, kill, and destroy like STRESS.<BR>- common (sense)<P>D Angelo says thank you and 180 of us respond.<BR>Common Says whats up and over 60 of us respond.<BR>People in seattle get pissed and over 100 of us respond.<BR>Quest just says anything and they damn near have to shut the boards down<BR> -okayplayer LmaniV<P><BR>preview my new video before it hits the stores<BR><a href="http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html<;/a><P><BR>at times my going forward seems like retreat<BR>-common (sense)

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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41. "This is effin rediculous!"
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>I don't wanna take from Common. <BR>>I even offered to pay him <BR>>his percentage (and I'll probably throw <BR>>in a tip if I feel <BR>>like it). <P>If I feel like it?!!!<P>Fool, you've already said that Common deserves alot more than the record company's gonna give him,yet you are only willing to pay him "his percentage"?!!! You betta give him the full amount PLUS a big ol tip for this bullshit.<P>Sure the recor companies are takin the artists for a ride, but to put forward this as a solution is disrespecting the artist even further. You wanna do him a favor, buy that ish twice from the Okaystore and tell all your friends to do the same. Think he's gonna get his props from your MP3 or by us putting out the word so that people all over cop that ish. I'd love to desrtoy the profit system as much as anyone else, but until the revolution comes, I'm gonna do what I can to make sure his ish goes Platinum.<P><BR>love and respect,<BR>El Rey<P>"I prefer to speak of the impossible, because we already know too much about what is possible" Silvio Rodriguez<P>"If our profanity offends you, look around you and see how destructively society is profaning itself. It is the rape of the land, the pollution of the environment, the betrayal and suffering of the masses by corrupt government that is the real obscenity." - MOVE statement<P>FREE MUMIA!<BR>www.mumia.org<P>FREE THE MOVE 9!<P>FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!<P>FREE YOUR SELF!<BR>www.freeyourself.com<P>"Get free y'all, get free!" - Digable Planets<P>"Get Free" - The Artist<P>

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Jay
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43. "***BROKE YOU BETTER READ THIS***"
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SSSSSH, your looking like an idiot right about now

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djs

Tue Mar-07-00 11:26 AM

  
64. "doesnt matter to me"
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i will have to buy 2 copies on vinyl anyway. there is no way around that. its not like i can download that shit and press a record real quick. but my brother did download commons new album. he said it was tight and i thought the samething. mp3s help me find new music to buy on record. but the piont is i go buy the album i dont leave it at that. but i still think we owe it to common to buy the cd until he finds a better way to get money for giving us such great music.

  

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3. "P.S.- I know you were dissin Gay-Z, LOVE IT!"
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jeje

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broke
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5. "Sorry Staff...Didn't read that post until after I posted it"
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my bad y'all, delete it if you want, or let everyone pull my card and make me look dumber.

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6. "Good intentions but it'll have a bad effect"
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While, I don't buy the mp3s r evil hype and I do undersand that the main reason good artosts don't sell is due to RECORD COMPANIES not mp3s. CGiving money to Common directly would hurt him because until there's anew system, soundscan sales are how artists get paid.<P>My point is and will always be true fans download MP3s and still buy the album anyway. Thus Com will still get credit for a sal even though you download the MP3s.<P>Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and pimp-slap the motherfucker upside the head...

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"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

  

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broke
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8. "So your saying just accept the master's crumbs?"
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I mean, thanx for the knowledge, but I just think if Artist did the whole DO IT YA DAMN SELF, the dividends in the long run would be better, ain't that what its all about? Music and the message? I still love Common & The Roots despite putting out 3 albums with increasing success each time and then jumping ship from one major label to another. I would think both artists have the fanbase to go independant or do some sort of 50/50 distribution deal like The Coup & Public Enemy.

http://www.raindrophustla.com

  

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Nesta
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24. "I think you're right, but..."
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not many artists are willing to balze that trail. Sure you have the Ani DiFrancos of the world but being an artist and running a business is not the same thing., Some artists would be successful at running business, but many more would be horrible at it. Just think about all the artists that started their own labels and then think about how many artists actually dud anything worthwhile with those labels.<P>This new technology, however, gives artists a new chance of cutting out the middle man. They have to take advantage of it though. Artists liek Todd Rundgren are already doing it.<P>Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and pimp-slap the motherfucker upside the head...

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"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

  

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25. "in theory, yes, but"
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an artist definitely should get what they deserve. You're right, a big chunk of the percentage points go to the labels and other "industry" folks, but do you really know how the industry works?<P>Labels exist because THEY WORK. I'm all for grassroots, but if you want to distribute to a huge network of retailers across this big wide nation, and if you want to market yourself out there, major labels are the outlet. You think Com would have an ad in the Source if he was pushing his product outta his trunk, so to speak? <P>I believe you can be an outstanding artist, or you can be an outstanding businessperson, but you cannot do both. Requires different brain processes, and if you try to one the other suffers. Case in point, see: Prince (he went "underground" to questionable commercial success), Hieroglypics (3rd Eye vision shoulda blew up), even in other industries, Donna Karan was a good designer but she had poor business sense. you dig?<P>Besides if you want to just download the shit, make a copy of the credits... damn, the time you spend actually doing this you could be doing something productive to EARN $$ to buy the CD. Your heart's in the right place Broke, but see the big picture.<BR>

  

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nahymsa
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38. "Strategic alliances"
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It amazes me that we (meaning black people) will work as servants to known "enemies" but refuse to deal with some of our own because of "differences". There is enough money out there for black artists to be independant, establish black labels & begin making inroads into distribution (which will require some hardball tactics since shit like that has a heavy mob affiliation).<P>Being that in the end, the music still has to sell the record (despite what they tell you, if nobody likes the songs, nobody buys the records)...and that black music is/will continue to be in heavy demand....Why aren't more black artists reaping the benefits of their work & the black community financially rewarded for the products of our communities?

  

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39. "TESTIFY!!!!!!!"
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<BR>AMEN!!!!<P>Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and pimp-slap the motherfucker upside the head...

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"I think Brett Favre basically is a selfish guy, Brett Favre goes out there with his gray hair, his Wranglers and gets up when he gets hit. I understand why people like that. But there's another side. He's a selfish guy." - Teddy Atlas

  

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47. "Two questions...."
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>It amazes me that we (meaning black <BR>>people) will work as servants to <BR>>known "enemies" but refuse to deal <BR>>with some of our own because <BR>>of "differences". <P>Who are our "enemies" What are our "differences"?<P>BLING! BLING!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC <P>"Ima put a curse on you. Might as well cause honestly, don't want no one to have you but me....." Sleepy's Theme <P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Guess I shoulda known by the way you parked your car sideways that it wouldn't last." - Prince<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"The quickest way to fire's heart, is through her ears" - fire<P>"But, here I is slaving away for the man instead of entertaining the masses." - fire<P>"Bitch, tone this!" - Stress<P>

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58. "Answers"
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Our enemies: The current major media corporations & their subsidiaries that are linked to/working in conjuction with other major business corporations. They use their monetary power to promote their political representatives. Who are the owners/CEOs of most of these companies?<P>Our differences: Speaking metaphorically, you won't see a Common on a No Limit. Why not? Granted we could argue all day about how these types approach their hip hop, whether it good for "us", etc. but at the end of the day I don't believe MCA cares more about true hip hop than No Limit. And I don't believe MCA's CEO cares more about "the people" than a Master P. No do I believe that MCA would feel more obligated to give back to the the communities that produces the "Common's" than a P. <P>To me its like how so many black people complain about the quality of service at black owned establishments and will (in effect boycott) those establishments for not being up "to par". But at the same time, we'll persist in going to the business of those people who don't treat us well either (NEVER HAVE/NEVER WILL) and are always willing to give THEM our money.<BR>

  

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65. "Hmmm...disagree slightly"
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>an artist definitely should get what they <BR>>deserve. You're right, a big chunk <BR>>of the percentage points go to <BR>>the labels and other "industry" folks, <BR>>but do you really know how <BR>>the industry works? <BR>>Labels exist because THEY WORK. I'm <BR>>all for grassroots, but if you <BR>>want to distribute to a huge <BR>>network of retailers across this big <BR>>wide nation, and if you want <BR>>to market yourself out there, major <BR>>labels are the outlet.<P>I agree with everything you say, except you are working under the notion that every album SHOULD go out to every retailer, which is the problem with the major label system today. You see, some artists, like Com, are niche artists, that may not appeal to a wide enough cross section of music buyers to justify the expenditure of putting him in every store. That's how great artists fall in debt, because major labels tend to market every artist in the same way: try to encourage the artist to make a radio friendly single/make an expensive video, etc. That program just doesn't work for everyone, especially cats like Com. It finally worked for the Roots, but that can really be pinned more on radio's love for all things Badu (plus MCA's major push) than on some sudden 'change of heart' amongst radio programmers (it's not like they said "hey, he's a really ill lyricist, let's spin this joint!").<P> You <BR>>think Com would have an ad <BR>>in the Source if he was <BR>>pushing his product outta his trunk, <BR>>so to speak? <P>Well, he could. There are numerous indie artists who put ads in the Source, usually G-rappers.<P>>I believe you can be an outstanding <BR>>artist, or you can be an <BR>>outstanding businessperson, but you cannot do <BR>>both.<P>Nah. Rza, for example, is pretty good at both (at least in my mind). Wu Tang has built quite a marketing empire, mostly built around Rza's vision and he still remains a pretty creative producer.<P>> Requires different brain processes, <BR>>and if you try to one <BR>>the other suffers. <P>No scientific proof of that. Rza refutes that theory. So do other artist/businesspeople on a smaller scale...someone mentioned Ani DiFranco...there are also a lot of DIY punk rock folks who handle their business pretty well (keeping an indie label running more than 5 years takes good business acumen, trust me).<P>Case in <BR>>point, see: Prince (he went <BR>>"underground" to questionable commercial success), Hieroglypics <BR>>(3rd Eye vision shoulda blew up), <P>"blew up"? see, considering the money they put into it, it did "blow up". people are too used to thinking in industry terms, equating "blowing up" with double platinum. convincing even 100,000 people to purchase any one product is an amazing feat. the modern day music business views 100,000 in sales as a failure. that's because they spend way too much on marketing in the front end. i'm sure "3rd eye vision" pushed at least 40,000...selling that independently puts $400,000 in the pocket. I don't think they spent half of that marketing the album...that doesn't even factor in 12 inch sales...<P>Anyway, I think that Broke has an interesting idea. Someone pointed out, however, that Com would be dropped. If Broke could mobilize just 10,000 people to follow his idea though, Com would have $150,000 in his pocket ($15 a CD). Think about it.<P>Broke, if you can mobilize enough heads to follow you, you have a revolution in the music business on your hands.<P>Spread love,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR>www.soul-sessions.com<BR>Hip-hop forever...power to the people<P>R.I.P. Filli (Amphibians)<P>"There will be no peace until God sits at the conference table" - Chi-Lites

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7. "I think you are missing the point."
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"The MAN" as you put it, is reponsible for pressing the album and the distributions of hundreds of thousands of copies. Somebody has to pay for that, meaning us, but that's beside the point.<P>Bottom line, YOU ARE A THIEF! <P>You are STEALING from not only the industry, but the artist, which isn't cool anyway you break it down.<P>I think I'm wasting my time, so fuck it.<P>Pseudonym-less Wendell

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will736

Fri Mar-03-00 02:07 PM

  
9. "hey broke....."
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I agree to an extent. If you can find your favorite artist's music through the net or an traditional bootlegger, and you can't wait, get it. BUT, and I do mean BUT, make damn sure you go and purchase the legitimate album. Unless artists find a way for their contracts to work more in their favor then the most we as fans can do is buy their albums and support them when they come to town. <P>Maybe, if you change some of your spending habits you will have the 17-18 dollars needed to support COM. Like I said before I feel you, but I believe in supporting goood artists. Plus if soundscan sees that he is marketable then his record label will probably stop jerking him as much. Plus other hip-hop ARTISTS like him will get more support. But first there has to be a market for progressive, positive, peaceful, and pensive rappers. The only way these backwards ass record labels can tell if there is a market for something is through sales. And in the long run if Com's sales merit more label support then he in turn should be able to renegoitate his contract for a better percentage( or something like that, God Willing) and a better overall situation. Think about that.<P><BR>"It's all about the artistry, baby."

  

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10. "C'mon now damn..."
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Couldnt you have posted this ish under commons post instead of trying to look like a big man? Too many people come up on this site tryin to get a rep or get attention and that shit is lame. This site isnt supposed to compensate for your highschool experience. Im not objecting to what you are saying, i barely read it. Im just asking if this REALLY needed a separate thread.<P>peace n love<P>------<BR>"i have matriculated from aminas school of magnificent pimpish stylistics... and for the low price of just $19.95 you too can learn how to backhand a bitch ass muthafucca. Please make your checks and money orders payable to aminas house of pimpin FBO jazzgirl"<BR>-jazzgirl<P>"big pimpin, hoes on restriction"<BR>-meek meek<P>------<BR>Amina k.c.m.k.c<BR>Aqueen--> AOL/AIM

  

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20. "damn"
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respect dude for his opinion and although the LOGIC seems correct, it isn't. you coulda kept the flame to yourself. i didn't this as a post to shine, but merely to express anger at the fucked-up system whereby artists are getting raped. i mean come-on, you admitted that you barely read what dude had to say-hmmm, what does that say about you??? just curious.<P>either way, all love for ya'll and keep expressing your opinions despite what others say. innovators never care bout what nukas think, n/m.<P>'meeul<BR>erythang is erythang-rita tao asha, mishpat maat sedeq, shalom shari'ah dharma....<BR><a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771<;/a><BR>

  

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26. "Umm.. well lets see"
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i <BR>>mean come-on, you admitted that you <BR>>barely read what dude had to <BR>>say-hmmm, what does that say about <BR>>you??? just curious. <P>What does that have to say about me? Let me know.<P>I read most of what he had to say and it didnt make sense from the get-go so i decided not to waste my time by reading all of it. The title of his post was unneccesary and most of what he had to say i wasnt feeling. Im just a little tired of people making posts like this. Im not saying you cant disagree with the okayartists. Im saying anytime you direct a post to them or anyone else on this site for that matter, come with some respect. Plus im tired of people coming on this site trying to look macho, he could have posted this under commons original but NO, he wanted to be a big man. Its irritating. He may have had gotten extra heat from me because of the nuckle heads that do stuff like this all the time who i just take note of and just let it ride. But I cant let stupid shit ride all the time.<P><BR>------<BR>"i have matriculated from aminas school of magnificent pimpish stylistics... and for the low price of just $19.95 you too can learn how to backhand a bitch ass muthafucca. Please make your checks and money orders payable to aminas house of pimpin FBO jazzgirl"<BR>-jazzgirl<P>"big pimpin, hoes on restriction"<BR>-meek meek<P>------<BR>Amina k.c.m.k.c<BR>Aqueen--> AOL/AIM

  

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28. "point taken"
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i just think the tone was a little out of place. after all, he wasn't being hostile toward you OR the artists, but towards the record companies....<P>'meeul<BR>erythang is erythang-rita tao asha, mishpat maat sedeq, shalom shari'ah dharma....<BR><a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771<;/a><BR>

  

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How does not wanting to support the MAN fit into to all of this?<P>By not purchasing the album in the stores, it is merely showing MCA that artists like Common don't sell. Your action would neither help nor hurt the "MAN", but it WOULD hurt common.<BR>I am sure your idea is well-intentioned but it is naive.<P>Furthermore, people who have the time and money to access the internet and download MP3s GENERALLY can spare 15 dollars at their local record store..please.<P>Have you ever tried to release an album?<BR>sure its sounds noble doing it independently or by MP3s and avoiding the "MAN", but its unrealistic as fuck.<P>People need to stop justifying themselves for downloading free music when it is obvious that y'all are selfish and lazy, so be honest atleast.<P>but when a artist like common whose album sales would not be high anyways, gets his stuff downloaded, dissected and judged on the internet before its even released. That's wack.<P>But sinc you wanted attention by making your own thread and I just responded, I might as well go and play an over 21 show in seattle with my polka band. <P>I kinda got off the subject, but fuck it, quote my shit, get all internet-heated at me and continue on.<P>yawn.<P>Peace,<BR>Steve<P>Your post will get deleted IF you dont read: <a href="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/general1/3292.html" target="_blank">http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/general1/3292.html<;/a>

  

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42. "Supporting &quot;the man&quot;"
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>How does not wanting to support the <BR>>MAN fit into to all of this? <P>I think the important question is who owns MCA, who are the heads of leadership at MCA? Looking at the label historically & currently, relative to the amount of profits its gained from black artists/audiences - how much have they given back to either?<P>>By not purchasing the album in the stores, it is >merely showing MCA that artists like Common >don't sell. <P>True....and if Common doesn't sell (produce) how will MCA treat? If Common fears that then you know that Common is not the master of his fate when it comes to putting out his music for the public.<P>>Your action would neither help nor hurt the >"MAN", but it WOULD hurt common. <P>That's exactly the problem.<P>>I am sure your idea is well-intentioned but it >is naive. <P>I disagree..his ideas just requires more work & sacrifice but would bear fruit in the end.<P>>Furthermore, people who have the time and money >to access the internet and download MP3s >GENERALLY can spare 15 dollars at their local >record store..please<P>not necessarily true.<BR>><BR>>Have you ever tried to release an album? sure >its sounds noble doing it independently or by >MP3s and avoiding the "MAN", but its unrealistic <BR>>as fuck. <P>unrealistic because many of us are unwilling to try. Its been proven that you can become success & relatively rich as an independant.<P>>but when a artist like common whose >album sales >would not be high anyways, gets his stuff >downloaded, dissected and judged on the internet >before its even released. That's wack. <P>Chances are its someone at Common's label that's responsible for the shit being out for anyone to download. If Common had control of his product, this wouldn't be an issue. Also, artists make music to be listened to - once its out there, the gloves come off.<P>>But sinc you wanted attention by making your own >thread and I just responded, I might as well go <BR>>and play an over 21 show in seattle with my >polka band. <P>Isn't everyone posting on a message board looking for some attention, by seeking interaction thru conversation?<BR>

  

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12. "Common Stalker? &quot;SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS&quot; WTF?"
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I think he/she just wants to send you their demo..<P>But Seriously<BR>Umm Eff Corporate America but dont eff with people you respect at the same time.. Becuase my moms a teacher she should get paid right? I guess I shouldnt pay taxes cuz they go to THE MAN so then my mom doesnt get paid where does that leave me? <P>You might have your heart in the right place but your logic is all wrong.. everything isnt that simple when you are dealing with mass amounts of people.. <P>-Contagious<P><BR><a href="http://www.thejawn.com" target="_blank">http://www.thejawn.com<;/a>

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that's all bad. You may not be looking at the even bigger picture here. If Com's sales are poor, then will the label want to let him do another album? There is a thing called a contract - they can cancel it - he can't. If his sales are mediocre the ball is always in their court. Skip that damn Mickey D's for 3 days and buy the album on sale at Target. You can come to my house for dinner if it's all about food. Okay? Big Baby.<BR>And Steve - Don't make me hop my ass to Boston & kick your butt - one more Seattle joke & I'm in that ASS!!! Reunion's around the corner bratface - I'll be lookin for ya <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/wink.gif"><BR>Dove<BR>~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~<P>"I'm not a player I just "drop" alot" - One Drop - of course!!<P>People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.<P>"...its about time that we get back 2 the true essence in many aspects of life. folks so busy with tha peel they forget about the banana.." - Okayplayer Nubia<P>

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14. "hmmmm i see broke is at it again huh?"
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didn't you learn the first time around kid? hmmmmm......like mama says "a hard head makes..."<P><P><P><P><P><BR>THE SOULQUARIANS<BR>chewy (quest).....jan<BR>luke (d)........feb <BR>lando (jaydee)......feb<BR>cp30 (james poyser).....jan<BR>r2d2 (jazzy jeff)......jan<BR>hans (chaos)........jan<BR>anakin (lil mike)......feb<P>honorary members:<BR>kelo- soulacorn.......jan<BR>common- soulcies......march<BR>erykah- soulcies......feb<BR>

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15. "Fallacy Alert"
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Blaming the victim.

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17. "Didnt mean to reply to Quest"
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But to the original post.

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that could be the dumbest shit ive ever read.........oh well...........to each his own.......<P><P>One Love<BR>RamXL<BR>(beat junkie)<P>"Each soul is potentially divine, the goal is to manifest this divinity within by controlling nature: external and internal. Do this either by work, or worship, or psychic control, or philosophy -- by one, or more, or all these -- and be free." Swami Vivekanada<P><BR>"no man is an island, but at times i feel lonely, so i find peace thru om." Saul Williams<P><P><P><P>

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19. "I was thinking the same thing"
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Now I definitely know I'll keep that line "Seattle/players wanted to battle" for pt. 2 of the okayplayersong <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/wink.gif"><P>I guess posts like this will appear from time to time ... I've been waiting for this to happen for a couple of weeks.<P>krewcial<BR><a href="http://urgent.rug.ac.be/vinylators" target="_blank">http://urgent.rug.ac.be/vinylators<;/a><P>'We've got to change our own minds about each other. We have to see each other with new eyes. We have to see each other as brothers and sisters. We have to come together with warmth'<BR>

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21. "CONTROVERSY!!!"
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after reading what the rest of what you wrote, i have to say that many of u seem to be passive and not interested in taking active roles. shit has changed in the past, and can in the future if people stop accepting the status quo and fighting against it. what's wrong with a little healthy debate and controversy? i've never seen this post before or actually thought about the situation, but now it has come to my attention. thanks broke dude!<P>i don't care if i catch flack for promoting this, but fuck it. i'll talk to any of you one-on-one in an intelligent debate/discussion despite what u may think of me. i agree that the system is like modern-day slavery and that the artists need their cut (no matter how small), but ya'll are okay with that? not saying mp3 is the best way, or that buying the cd is the best either. we gotta find balance and figure out how to gain more control of this thing. <P>on that note, i'll retire to my cave and await the onslaught of negativity....<P>'meeul<BR>erythang is erythang-rita tao asha, mishpat maat sedeq, shalom shari'ah dharma....<BR><a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771<;/a><BR>

  

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I will be actively taking my ass to the record store on March 28th. <BR>Dove<BR>~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~<P>"I'm not a player I just "drop" alot" - One Drop - of course!!<P>People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.<P>"...its about time that we get back 2 the true essence in many aspects of life. folks so busy with tha peel they forget about the banana.." - Okayplayer Nubia<P>

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27. "Y'all fuckin' kill me..."
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While money is off base with some of his general assumptions he does raise valid issues surrounding how artist make money and how artists are held back/promoted and pushed to succeed to a certain extent by the system of labels and such. <P>Again, his points aren't well thought out or researched but I continue to dislike this board more and more because when someone says something some of y'all don't like, the person's immediately a fuckin idiot or something. How about some dialgoue discuss the issue at hand.<P>Contrary to what some of y'all are saying there are artists who are succesfully doing the direct marketing approach and independent stuff and with technology being the way it is these things will be become more prevalent, which is why the RIAA is scared shitless of MP3s and the technology because they know it can potentially cut in their market share. Are these artsist going paltinum, no but they probably make as much as a platinum artsist and they have very loyal fan bases that support them and get tehir material, although the independent route makes it hard to pick up new fans unless you have the money to properly promote.<P>Now most artists don't want the hassle of putting out their own music and getting distribution and such. And why should they, they're plates are full enough with the creative process. <P>BUT LET'S BE CLEAR!!!! Common's last two albums sold less than 500,000 units cobmined NOT becuase of MP3s, NOT because of CD-Rs, NOT because of bootleggers. It didn't move because the label he was on did not promote him and support him enough by getting his beautiful music played on the radio and video outlets. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I loved One Day but why is the first time I saw the video for Invocation was on thsi web site that lets you watch videos LAST WEEK. I mean I have cable watch BET and MTV for videos but I had to wait years to see thsi video?<P>And I'll let y'all in on another little secret, the bootleggers I've encountered in my lifetime are not bootlegging The Roots and Common, etc. They're bootlegging the names that everyone knows because they too operate in a market economy. If folks are buying mad Ricky Martin, Jay-Z, Britney Spears, and Celine Dion, that's what they're bootlegging. SO trust me bootleggers are having a minimal effect on the artists that most of us here care about. For example, Camp Lo only sold about 100,000 albums last time out and if you got rid of bootleggers and since there were no MP3s they still wouldn't have sold much more.<P>Bootlegging is still wrong and takes moeny away from the artists and labels, but PERSPECTIVE is a beautiful thing.<P><P>Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and pimp-slap the motherfucker upside the head...

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29. "ummm, yeah"
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ayo nes, i liked the part about "disliking the boards more and more b/c whenever anyone says something against the status-quo, they're labeled a fuckin idiot!" it went something like that. ya'll gotta think OUTSIDE the box. make it your mantra!!! <P>'meeul<BR>erythang is erythang-rita tao asha, mishpat maat sedeq, shalom shari'ah dharma....<BR><a href="http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7771<;/a><BR>

  

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31. "lookie here...."
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First of all broke is my cool. He's good people. A little on the wild side <img src="http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/Images/happy.gif"> but still cool. Just because he's cool with me does not mean I have to agree with him. As for me, the word "idiot" never left my keyboard. I don't think he's an idiot or anything of that nature. I simply don't agree with him. <BR>Dove<BR>~Sheepish Lordess of Chaos~<P>"I'm not a player I just "drop" alot" - One Drop - of course!!<P>People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do.<P>"...its about time that we get back 2 the true essence in many aspects of life. folks so busy with tha peel they forget about the banana.." - Okayplayer Nubia<P>

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61. "100%"
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on point, couldn't agree with you more...thats why we should do what i suggested in my thread called<BR>"beat em' at.."<P><P><BR>"why i seen your mom in the arcade with steel toe flip-flops, a fubu knee-brace, and a glow in the dark wave cap on?"--Michael Tuturice

"Fast, plays HARD D, rebounds, block shots, dunks at will, got a 3-ball, medium range J, got handles and 7 feet tall.....he is a player u used to make up on Live '96 but he is the real thing!!" - bnicedh on Kevin Garnett

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23. "youre a fucking retard"
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sales depends on how many people buy his CD....if shit don't sell, com doesn't get another album.<P>if you want to hear more com, and see more com tour dates, your ass better be online March 28th...<P>wtf?? tip him??? he's not a fucking bathroom attendant...<P>i'm not saying mca isn't making out like a bandit in this, but the money THEY get off of sales goes to com,the people who brought you the banging album(Ahmir,Roy Hargrove,Femi Kuti,Jay Dee...and whoever else he got to bless us) and to get com around the US touring...as well as line "THE MAN"'s pockets...<P>to get on here and say you arent buying the album,...and have the nerve to get peoplet to "think on it" to do the same thing is beyond disrespect...<P>and FUCK YOU if you think i'm dickriding...I support my own. <P>broke indeed...broke your head on a hard floor...<P><BR>R.I.P. Anthony Richards<BR>R.I.P. April Michelle Himes<BR>R.I.P Kayla Rolland

  

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62. "ummm....ok"
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wow, your cool<P><BR>"why i seen your mom in the arcade with steel toe flip-flops, a fubu knee-brace, and a glow in the dark wave cap on?"--Michael Tuturice

"Fast, plays HARD D, rebounds, block shots, dunks at will, got a 3-ball, medium range J, got handles and 7 feet tall.....he is a player u used to make up on Live '96 but he is the real thing!!" - bnicedh on Kevin Garnett

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30. "Damn, this isn't my man broke from the EB, is it????"
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Okay Player! I'm just checkin' in over here after a really long-ass hiatus. Lookin' good broke. If some closed-minded-assed nigs can't appreciate the beauty of freedom and the MP3 vs. Swindler's Lust, F--- em, dude! Stay strong, bro!<P>And is Common's record REALLY gonna be all that...? Well, with Femi Kuti, can't be ALL bad....<P>Forrest

  

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32. "JUST COP THE MANS ALBUM"
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just go get commons album MARCH 28, 2000 at tower, wherehouse, virgin, sam goody, and if u want to support the moms and pops, do that too. <P>this is to show support to COMMON. the more support, the more LOVE to common...simple.<P><P><P><P><P>"10 g's BANK on it!!!"- heather b.<P>"toOT toOT!!!"- me<P>"HI, im the HERB of the year!..." -b.t.<P><P>

  

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33. "what is the real issue here?"
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if its good music that you want then you gotta save money to buy it...i mean you are not forced to buy the album and if you can half on it with your little friends and record off each other...hey i aint mad at cha'either... although nothin' in life is free baby boo. i'm sorry that youre broke although you don't have to be in that position...you can get a damn job and buy you com's album! if its a matter of starving to death, thats another story right there. damn, thanks brotha' i just found a quote...<P> peace,<BR> the notorious B.I.Z Karlee<P>"The solution to a problem is to RECOGNIZE the fact that there is a problem." <BR> --primer of principles

  

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34. "you can't be truly broke"
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if you have a computer lol<P>read #18<P>rappers i crush, kill, and destroy like STRESS.<BR>- common (sense)<P>D Angelo says thank you and 180 of us respond.<BR>Common Says whats up and over 60 of us respond.<BR>People in seattle get pissed and over 100 of us respond.<BR>Quest just says anything and they damn near have to shut the boards down<BR> -okayplayer LmaniV<P><BR>preview my new video before it hits the stores<BR><a href="http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html<;/a><P><BR>at times my going forward seems like retreat<BR>-common (sense)

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35. "oh snap, this is the same &quot;roots you better read this&quot; guy?"
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oh ok now it all fits into place lol call me slow or late or whatever. <P><BR>rappers i crush, kill, and destroy like STRESS.<BR>- common (sense)<P>D Angelo says thank you and 180 of us respond.<BR>Common Says whats up and over 60 of us respond.<BR>People in seattle get pissed and over 100 of us respond.<BR>Quest just says anything and they damn near have to shut the boards down<BR> -okayplayer LmaniV<P><BR>preview my new video before it hits the stores<BR><a href="http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html<;/a><P><BR>at times my going forward seems like retreat<BR>-common (sense)

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i won't flame on you kid, like i said before, comm himself will probably come and defend/ debate this himself. <BR>i also won't front. everytime i see one of these okp's that says they got the mp3's from a website, i cringe like damn!!! i can't find it!!! lol no lie, i want them shit's. not to replace me buying the cd, cause i want the damn cd, but i want to hear the shit now, i don't want to wait. (damn y'all did a good job of getting a brother hungry for this. geuss who'll be at the record store trying to get them to break the street date on monday the 27th?)<P>my question sir is this. are you planning to do this with all your cd aquisitions? or just comm's. are you through buying cd's 4 ever. will you download, photocopy, and send money to every artist from now on?<P>i mean he has guests on his album, are you gonna send them money too? or are you gonna send one lump sum to comm, and let him distribute the money between the other folks that way? of course i'm being humorous but i'm curious as well.<P>do this send the money to lonnie rashid lynn c/o mca records. send a check and see who signes it and who cashes it. that would be some funny shit.<BR>rappers i crush, kill, and destroy like STRESS.<P><BR>- common (sense)<P>D Angelo says thank you and 180 of us respond.<BR>Common Says whats up and over 60 of us respond.<BR>People in seattle get pissed and over 100 of us respond.<BR>Quest just says anything and they damn near have to shut the boards down<BR> -okayplayer LmaniV<P><BR>preview my new video before it hits the stores<BR><a href="http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html" target="_blank">http://hometown.aol.com//layzboi/mywebpage.html<;/a><P><BR>at times my going forward seems like retreat<BR>-common (sense)

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40. "GOD DAMMIT BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!<P>

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44. "THIS IS THE ONLY THING I'M POSTING"
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And this goes especially to Jay (and to the rest of ya dissin him). <P>Look, Broke is my man. He's a little extra sometimes but that what I love about. At least he shows his PASSION for the culture he is a part of and loves. I have to respect that about him.<P>He may not have all his facts straight but his heart is in the right place. He has points about doing your shit grassroots and keepin the cheddar in pocket instead of going to a bunch of CEOs and A&Rs and whatnot. While y'all are dissin him he's really trying to look out for Common. I know him personally and I know that he's as big of a Common fan as anyone else on here and he just wants to see Common get what he really deserves as an artists.<P>So before you go jumpin down his throat really think about that shit. Try to understand where he's coming from. And besides, he's more right than he is wrong about this shit.<P>Peace.<P>**********<BR>Crossfaded<P>"I can't keep up w/ the Joneses, I'm on my own shit" - Senim Silla<P>Uplifting and unifying Northwest hip-hop: <a href="http://students.washington.edu/theshow" target="_blank">http://students.washington.edu/theshow<;/a><P>

  

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49. "It's my be passion..."
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... but that doen't mean he didn't open his mouth and insert his foot.<P>BTW, I'm not dissin', it's just that I know that you cats wanna be involved but your always going about it the wrong way.

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50. "Whoa!"
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>BTW, I'm not dissin', it's just that <BR>>I know that you cats wanna <BR>>be involved but your always going <BR>>about it the wrong way. <P>Hey, don't put it on me. My man Broke speaks for himself, not for me. So don't say "you cats" cuz I ain't got nothin to do with it. I'm just sayin...for the most part he's on point. Artist really need to go for theirs. <P><BR>**********<BR>Crossfaded<P>"I can't keep up w/ the Joneses, I'm on my own shit" - Senim Silla<P>Uplifting and unifying Northwest hip-hop: <a href="http://students.washington.edu/theshow" target="_blank">http://students.washington.edu/theshow<;/a><P>

  

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51. "LOOK MONEY..."
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You called me out by name right?<P>You put yourself in it.<P>

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53. "Yes,"
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I did call you out by name for bein hard on my man, however, you implied that Broke's views were those of the original, controversial Seattle Players or whatever you want to call it. Which isn't the case.<P>That's why I'm not in it. That's what I was referring to. Aight...Jay???<P>**********<BR>Crossfaded<P>"I can't keep up w/ the Joneses, I'm on my own shit" - Senim Silla<P>Uplifting and unifying Northwest hip-hop: <a href="http://students.washington.edu/theshow" target="_blank">http://students.washington.edu/theshow<;/a><P>

  

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55. "Your takin' up for &quot;Ya Man&quot;..."
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So now you're a couple of cats to me.

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56. "Fade is like..."
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done w/ you. Whooohaa!<P>**********<BR>Crossfaded<P>"I can't keep up w/ the Joneses, I'm on my own shit" - Senim Silla<P>Uplifting and unifying Northwest hip-hop: <a href="http://students.washington.edu/theshow" target="_blank">http://students.washington.edu/theshow<;/a><P>

  

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52. "DAMN LOOK AT ME..."
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Mispelling shit, guess I get a foot too.

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45. "I wasn't gonna reply, but I got a trigger finger!"
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>I own all 3 of your albums <BR>>that I purchased my hard earned <BR>>money on. And have seen <BR>>you live every chance I can <BR>>get, driving over 300 miles to <BR>>do so. But I will <BR>>not go to the store and <BR>>buy this album. I am <BR>>sorry you feel that soundscan dictates <BR>>your success for you. But <BR>>I do not think you should <BR>>dare place the blame on fans <BR>>like myself and others of your <BR>>music who have chosen to download <BR>>YOUR album that YOUR record label <BR>>LEAKED OUT to this audience. <P>Hmmmmm, so if doing something is wrong, even if a record company does it, does that make it right? I don't think so. In the words of my beautiful mother, "wrong is wrong if everybody's wrong.".<P>>Maybe you should have realized that most <BR>>of the fans on this site <BR>>specifically, and worldwide generally, don't know <BR>>that when they go to Tower <BR>>Records or Sam Goody and spend <BR>>money on your CD rather than <BR>>a sandwich for lunch. <P>Not to be ignorant or anything, well, to be ignorant, but if your ass is hungry and you buy an album over a meal, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!! ANd I say that with surety and sincerity.<P>>I will have one of my friends <BR>>download the album for me and <BR>>photocopy the album cover and credits. <P>That's pretty fucked up!<P>> Because there is a bigger <BR>>issue at hand. <P>YOU ARE A CHEAPSKATE, that's the bigger issue.<P>The issue <BR>>is that when I purchase your <BR>>album, I am willing to bet <BR>>that more than half of the <BR>>proceeds go to the the MAN <BR>>at Universal. <P>Every album you own, if you own any the right way, the money goes to the "man". Get used to it, get over it and get with it.<P>I will not <BR>>stand for that. <P>Uh, hello? Do you live IN America? It's called capitalism. Free enterprise. Marketing. Most record labels, big and small are based on it. Do you grow your own food? Make your own clothes? Get a fucking grip! Why am I even continuing this response?<P>Call me <BR>>a radical for believing that when <BR>>I purchase an album I want <BR>>the money to go to the <BR>>artist. <P>Welcome to reality.<P>So I ASK you, <BR>>to email me back with your <BR>>home address and I will send <BR>>you a money order addressed to <BR>>you for whatever percentage you and <BR>>your crew WOULD have gotten from <BR>>me going to the record store <BR>>and spending my $15-20 (whatever ridiculous <BR>>fee they charging now) PLUS 9% <BR>>Sales Tax in the State of <BR>>Washington. I don't have all <BR>>the answers. But I do <BR>>know that this muthafuckin industry is <BR>>EVIL. And I would LOVE <BR>>to be apart of tearing it <BR>>down and seeing artists represent themselves <BR>>grassroots style. FUCK THE INDUSTRY, <BR>>when I download your album for <BR>>free and do not purchasing it, <BR>>I'm not trying to diss you, <BR>>I'm dissing the men pulling strings <BR>>above you, not to say you <BR>>are a puppet, but financially, man...Isn't <BR>>your message more important? It <BR>>is to me. Don't fall <BR>>into their trap. If I'm <BR>>an asshole let me know, I <BR>>am pretty good at taking criticism. <BR>> To all the nutswinging "FUCK <BR>>YOU BROKE" robots, I encourage you <BR>>to reasonable debate this. I <BR>>am sending this message out to <BR>>Common Sense. Like Water for <BR>>Chocolate, can't wait to put it <BR>>in my CD Player. <P>You are incredulous! I'm out! Peace!<P>BLING! BLING!<P>I AM BLACK MUSIC <P>"Ima put a curse on you. Might as well cause honestly, don't want no one to have you but me....." Sleepy's Theme <P>"Now, who else wanna fuck with Hollywood Coles?"- Dre/Kast<P>"Guess I shoulda known by the way you parked your car sideways that it wouldn't last." - Prince<P>"If trouble were money, I swear I'd be a millionaire" - Stokely/MintCondition<P>"The quickest way to fire's heart, is through her ears" - fire<P>"But, here I is slaving away for the man instead of entertaining the masses." - fire<P>"Bitch, tone this!" - Stress<P>

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63. "haha"
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na na "that one 'bolet", your incredulous<P>"He had lookeded samiliar"-me<P>While reporting an incident of violence to a reporter, the girl points to the back of her head and says (True Story)<BR>"then he had got thrown out da bus and he had hit his head on the back o da groun'"--some chicken from philly(NE i think)<P><BR>"why i seen your mom in the arcade with steel toe flip-flops, a fubu knee-brace, and a glow in the dark wave cap on?"--Michael Tuturice

"Fast, plays HARD D, rebounds, block shots, dunks at will, got a 3-ball, medium range J, got handles and 7 feet tall.....he is a player u used to make up on Live '96 but he is the real thing!!" - bnicedh on Kevin Garnett

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I agree with a lot you have to say broke, but how is common supposed to get paid if you cant pay the 15$ to get it. The money may not go directly to him but how is one of the dopest emcees around gonna get recognized. I agree with getting some cds copied and what not, like some bullshit like dmx or jayz or something, they dont need the damn money. Common is releasing an album for the people, i dont care how far you travel, give the man some respect. As for you common, this shit better be hot, if the 6th sense and doonit are a preview, its a classic already. Just keep makin shit that is real and sends a message, you are a true artist. But one last thing you and d'angelo, wtf, tix a little high man, cant even support my favorite artist without forkin over half my paycheck, thats f'd up. <BR>peace

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Lyricist1

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48. "Poor dude"
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<BR>I wont knock Broke because his intentions were good, but just buy the LP man.<P><BR>Fuck being hard Posdunous is complicated-Posdunous<P>Peace!

  

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54. "I agree in theory..."
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I agree because ideally - I want the music _industry_ to fall, and see music take its place.<P>Why is there no okayplayer records?<BR>Why do the roots, common & d'ang insist on being part of the industry?<P>@ least Mos is on Rawkus. @ least SV is on Good Vibe.<P>If enough artists get together they can make a change. They can make a label with ideals. They can make a label that works like music should.<P>But that would be too hard.<BR>Take too much work.<P>After all, Snoop just did it.<P>{a}

  

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57. "WTF."
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While I understand about the record companies pimping artists, the reality is this- you ain't gonna send Common no money personally, so if you have a copy of LWFC and didn't pay for it... you stole it. You are violating. Straight up and down. If Common does't sell, he gets dropped from his label. MCA made an investment in Common. They gave money up front for Com to make a record. They expect a return on their investment, and return means profit, not just break even. What about all the other people that are on the album? You gonna send money to ?uest or even MC Lyte for their work that they did and deserve to get paid for. Yes there are means for Common to put out the album himself. But that requires money that Common may not have. Maybe if he goes platinum, he could have enough money to start his own label. Maybe he doesn't want to worry about all the marketing, promotion, distribution, etc. and just concentrate on making good music. Also, being on a label provides more stability than being indpendant. If MCA loses money (yeah right, but it could happen) but they still believe in Common, that's money they lost, not him. Look at like this, I'm a consultant. I work for a major consulting firm. I'm paid well, but I could make more money if I was indpendant, but I would lose security. Right now I'm on the bench (not on a project) but I still get paid, if I was indpendant I'd be assed out. While it is true that the system sucks, but instead of saying "fuck it, I'm not supporting MCA" and in the process screwing the artists, work within the system, support the artists so they can make money and maybe one day start their own company to put other people on.<P>There are millions of stars, but there's only one Sun.<P>J-Sun - Professional Weed Smoker<BR>T.O.P.A. Chief Kneecap Shatterer<P>"Still pull the hoes most likely to succeed. Where that ni&&a J-(Sun)? Most likely smokin weed" - Tash<P>"Individuals who are never satisfied with the static standards set by the masses. The masses have always been lethargic. They have always opposed greatness for it is beyond them to even comprehend greatness" - 3rd Bass

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59. "the issue is....."
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Something that broke has become quite familiar with by being at another hip-hop web site, and that is that FREE, downloadable music is about to rise to a popular apex in this country in the next two years. I think broke is pissed at the thought of what is becoming an outmoded function, which is giving money to the major record companies and their little subsidies for music. This may not be the dominant reality for music purchasing in the next five years or so...one of the CEOs at BMG recently said that the CD will die as the #1 music format in two years. <P>HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH COMMON that the downloaders of his album are not supporting him as an artist or a proponent of progressive hip hop. There is currently a rift between different segments in hip hop - artists signed with major music companies, downloaders of free music, and the execs at the companies themselves. <P>

  

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>What about all the other <BR>>people that are on the album? <BR>>You gonna send money to ?uest <BR>>or even MC Lyte for their <BR>>work that they did and deserve <BR>>to get paid for.<P>It is my understanding that artists who are guests on an album are paid out of that album's recording budget. so, that means Quest, Lyte, et al, have already been paid for their musical contributions.<P> Yes there <BR>>are means for Common to put <BR>>out the album himself. But that <BR>>requires money that Common may not <BR>>have. Maybe if he goes platinum, <BR>>he could have enough money to <BR>>start his own label.<P>Ha. Some rappers who went platinum can barely pay their rent.<P>> Maybe he <BR>>doesn't want to worry about all <BR>>the marketing, promotion, distribution, etc. and <BR>>just concentrate on making good music.<P>And maybe Broke doesn't want to pay the label for any of that, he only wants to give his full $15 to Com. Basically, he's fucking over the record company and Com may get dropped. But if, and this is a HUGE if, say, 10,000 Com supporters decided to pay Com directly after downloading an MP3 (as Broek suggested) rather than buy his album at a store, Com would make $150,000, which is probably more than he will likely make even if the album goes platinum, after everything is recouped.<BR> <BR>>Also, being on a label provides <BR>>more stability than being indpendant.<P>Tell that to countless rappers who were dropped or underpromoted or saw their albums delayed for years, only to be released to an apathetic audience.<P>>on a project) but I still <BR>>get paid, if I was indpendant <BR>>I'd be assed out. While it <BR>>is true that the system sucks, <BR>>but instead of saying "fuck it, <BR>>I'm not supporting MCA" and in <BR>>the process screwing the artists, work <BR>>within the system, support the artists <BR>>so they can make money and <BR>>maybe one day start their own <BR>>company to put other people on.<P>That's like saying buy cotton from the plantation, so the sharecroppers can eat a little better. I don't know why everyone on here believes so firmly in the major label system. Hieroglyphics, as a collective, is probably making more money now indie than they ever did on Jive and Elecktra (after everything was recouped).<BR> <BR>Broke's idea sounds nuts in the abstract, but if he could mobilize enough people to follow his lead, the economic effect would be measurable.<P>Spread love,<P>Spirit<BR><a href="http://amphibians.iuma.com" target="_blank">http://amphibians.iuma.com<;/a><BR>www.soul-sessions.com<BR>Hip-hop forever...power to the people<P>R.I.P. Filli (Amphibians)<P>"There will be no peace until God sits at the conference table" - Chi-Lites

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67. "Exactly......."
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I don't understand the loyalty to the major label system either. Master P is the wealthiest hip hop "artist", he OWNS THE MASTERS for most of the music his camp puts out, and became relatively rich WITHOUT a major label affiliation.

  

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60. "EFF that!!"
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Forget everything else!!<BR>I just wanna know where the hell you go to eat where a sandwich for lunch costs as much as a got'tam album?!?!?<P>What the hell playa? your sandwich's bread got gold crust err somethin?<P><P>"why i seen your mom in the arcade with steel toe flip-flops, a fubu knee-brace, and a glow in the dark wave cap on?"--Michael Tuturice

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First, if you beleive that the record industry will continue to let people take music off the internet, you are sadly mistaken. When this theft starts to hit their pockets, they will place controls on the net that will make people buy music in MP3 form. It may cost less, but they will find a way to monitor this way of sales. <P>Second, the artist would have HUGE TAX consequences if consumers just sent them money. Uncle Sam will find a way to get his cut.<P>Lastly, who do you know that would pay for a product after they bought it, and nobody knew they bought it? Nobody! You are lying to yourself if you think that 99.9% of the people who take music of the net, will then send monies the the artist for the music they just downloaded.<P>Peace<P>Pseudonym-less Wendell

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Dredyorknot

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69. "Get of the Ra Ra!!"
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I find your attitude about the situation to be unjust and self serving. With such few great artist out as Common...Aww you effen with my head here. With all the inspiration, laughs, and hope that this brotha breaths into his work I feel the very least you can do buy the effen album. Get the ish straight kid.

  

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