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"Poll question: RATE IT! MOS DEF "THE NEW DANGER" is....(discuss)"


  

          


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Subject Author Message Date ID
I don't know
Oct 11th 2004
1
this cd sucks
AngryLyricist
Oct 12th 2004
18
RE: I don't know
RoeCyris
Oct 12th 2004
24
RE: I don't know
Oct 13th 2004
38
I'll go with average. This album is a mess
Oct 11th 2004
2
HOW THE FUCK YOU GONNA HAVE SLEPT ON
Oct 11th 2004
3
RE: HOW THE FUCK YOU GONNA HAVE SLEPT ON
Oct 12th 2004
4
basically. slept on and classic...
Oct 12th 2004
22
Yes I voted this a classic!
Oct 12th 2004
5
RE: Yes I voted this a classic!
Oct 12th 2004
6
RE: Yes I voted this a classic!
Oct 12th 2004
8
RE: Yes I voted this a classic!
Oct 12th 2004
15
Slept On
sylence
Oct 12th 2004
7
Boogieman
asaspade421
Oct 12th 2004
9
Sigh
Oct 12th 2004
10
Crap
Oct 12th 2004
11
Taking a stand!!!
Oct 12th 2004
12
      Not really
Oct 12th 2004
14
      where was it billed as a hip hop album? n/m
Oct 12th 2004
16
The term 'Classic' might as well be done away with...
Oct 12th 2004
13
Rock tracks and singing aside...
Oct 12th 2004
17
is Mos an OKArtist now?
Oct 12th 2004
19
Mos and the panties!
Oct 12th 2004
20
There is nothing that Mos can't do
Oct 12th 2004
23
Mos' Hardcore Roots band?
Oct 12th 2004
21
whoever said slept on classic
Oct 12th 2004
25
what?
Oct 12th 2004
26
war the song
Oct 13th 2004
27
It's a sad day
Oct 13th 2004
28
Review "New Danger"
Oct 13th 2004
29
Cosiggy
Oct 13th 2004
30
      Here's the problem
Oct 13th 2004
31
i LIKES this shit
Oct 13th 2004
32
RE: i LIKES this shit
Oct 13th 2004
33
I hated Phrenology! Will I like The New Danger?
Oct 13th 2004
34
What does Phren have to do with New Danger?
Oct 13th 2004
36
it's one of those slept on's
Oct 13th 2004
35
This shit is like a breath of fresh air to hiphop right
Oct 13th 2004
37
This album is
Oct 13th 2004
39

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1. "I don't know"
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But I am a Mos Def fan for life, and everyone is entitled to grow. I've only had one full listen but I'ma not going to judge the album at all. I'm just gonna see if I can relate to where he is coming from artistically.

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AngryLyricist

Tue Oct-12-04 02:05 PM

  
18. "this cd sucks"
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mos def fell off hard

  

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RoeCyris

Tue Oct-12-04 04:55 PM

  
24. "RE: I don't know"
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even if you say its a classic it certainly isn't a classic RAP album. Thats for damn sure.

  

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38. "RE: I don't know"
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This shyt is fire.


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2. "I'll go with average. This album is a mess"
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3. "HOW THE FUCK YOU GONNA HAVE SLEPT ON"
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ALREADY????????????????

  

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4. "RE: HOW THE FUCK YOU GONNA HAVE SLEPT ON"
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is the shit even out?

oh it's out today.

hm.

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22. "basically. slept on and classic..."
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two words that hold no weight until at least a year after the album comes out. i mean shit.

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5. "Yes I voted this a classic!"
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Hip-hop in the traditional sense is dead and has gone as far as it can. It time for something new. This is just the beginning. Oh and fuck you in advance if you disagre


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6. "RE: Yes I voted this a classic!"
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hot to def....
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8. "RE: Yes I voted this a classic!"
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It actually gets better and better the more I listen to it.
Mos Def for President!!!!!!
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15. "RE: Yes I voted this a classic!"
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my opinion dont count until i hear it for a week. its different though.

I KNOW WHAT IS A CLASSIC. YOUR AVY KID, SHIT HAD ME HYPNOTIZED FOR ABOUT 2 MINUTES

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sylence

Tue Oct-12-04 04:27 AM

  
7. "Slept On"
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This definitely took a few listens to sink in, but this album is dope. And yes, I was one of the peeps hating on this after the first listen. I could've done without some of the rock tracks at the beginning though...

  

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asaspade421

Tue Oct-12-04 07:18 AM

  
9. "Boogieman"
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Very Musical album..... "Blue Black Jack" has so much soul leaking from it and "Modern Marvel" is just insane with the Marvin Samples...probably will take some time for people to adjust to this album, especially for those not into the rock thing all that much

  

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10. "Sigh"
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11. "Crap"
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It's really average compared to what's out there, but compared to what mos is capable of, it's really subpar.

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12. "Taking a stand!!!"
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i'm taking a stand against all this "next level", "experimental" bullshit. if its gonna be a rock album, don't bill it as a hip hop album. i watsed my money on this very sub par album (even if it were billed as a rock album the shit would be very subpar). dre 3000 was the exception. maybe i'm just a little pissed since kweli's album was garbage too. the bottom line...get some beats...WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE BOOM-BAP YALL?


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14. "Not really"
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I can handle experimentation to a certian extent, just don't go to far with it. I could digest EC, but I wouldn't like it if Com kept that as his style. The reason on could handle EC is because there were some tracks where his lyrics were still on point.

So my biggest beef with Mos's album is not that he's experimenting with rock, it's that even on the best song his lyrics are barely average.

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16. "where was it billed as a hip hop album? n/m"
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-@-@-@-@-@-@-

  

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13. "The term 'Classic' might as well be done away with..."
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Its been used way too much for shit that doesnt deserve it...

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17. "Rock tracks and singing aside..."
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Mos' lyrics were horrible(apart from the Rape Over and War, which adds up to only 2 verses). It sounded like he freestyled the whole album. If you heard BOBS and BlackStarr, I don't see how you can possibly be satisfied with his lyrical performance.

  

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19. "is Mos an OKArtist now?"
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all these Mos post got me curious....
is he or isn't he...
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20. "Mos and the panties!"
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I just love the panties, freaky black, black donte! SAY WORD!!!! that song is rocking! Then the boogie man, the most beautiful! and zimzallabim to the haters cause he said you can't even shine his shoes! BRAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! and I will admit that I still need him to throw a couple of raps out on mixtapes this year, straight rap, on the issues rap, like rip a whole in these crackers ass wholes, RAP!!!!!!!!! BUT, I know it must be hard, movie star, dad, rock and roll! I accept this installment, CLASSIC! DON'T SLEEP!

  

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23. "There is nothing that Mos can't do"
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He was given two things in life: Talent and Oppurtunity.. and he takes advantage of both of them.. I'll just go with excellent though until I hear the album in better quality (Damn Canada)

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21. "Mos' Hardcore Roots band?"
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Sounds like Mos created his own Roots band, just a little more intense. Think ???? on Phrenology? Regardless, it is a hot album, Mos knows how to experiment. It tops Kweli's album by far.

  

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25. "whoever said slept on classic"
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should have their ears revoked.

  

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26. "what?"
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what's the difference between awful and crap?


i voted "excellent" by the way.
sunshine is my shit!

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27. "war the song"
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wasnt there a version with pharoahe, where the hook is "fire. when you see the whites of they eyes. war." or is that another song

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28. "It's a sad day"
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when I vote 'average' on Mos Def's new record. But alas there it is... I've played it non-stop now hoping I would get it. I don't. No great beats. No real guest spots. Those rock tracks are garbage. The blues tracks are boring. His raps are decent but nothing comes close to even the 1st verse off "BOBS". He says "ghetto" on par with W.Bush saying "freedom". I'm sorry Mos, I love you and I've bought just about everything you've put out since '97 but this one just doesn't do it for me.

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29. "Review "New Danger""
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Rapper, poet, activist, actor Mos Def is a respected member of the hip-hop community despite having recorded a small volume of work. He began his recording career as a member of Black Star along with kindred of spirit Talib Kweli. He then released a critically acclaimed (but very underground) cd Black On Both Sides in 1999. That record seamlessly fused hip-hop with neo-soul resulting in a very positve and innovative hybrid. Since that release he has furthered his acting career also receiving critical success.

With the release of New Danger, Mos Def has once again broken the mold of what hip-hop is expected to be. After listening to this release, it is pretty clear that Mos Def is an artist who cannot be pigeon holed. For you to appreciate artists like this, you have to be into their persona and what they are about. If you are into Prince, you will generally like whatever he puts out in whatever genre he chooses cuz you are feeling him as a creative artist. The same applies to Mos Def.

New Danger, is a bold badass rock/hip-hop record. Ever since Outkasts Andre 3000 put out his disc The Love Below, any hip-hop cd that is not in sync with the mainstream is compared to that. While New Danger is not a typical hip-hop record, any comparisons to Outkast are not valid. New Danger is a flat out rock/hip-hop record. A better comparison would be to a Beastie Boys or N*E*R*D record.

The cd begins innocently enough with The Boogie Man Song, (produced and performed by Raphael Saadiq) a laid back mysterious sounding track with a slight Middle East sound lurking underneath. All that mellowness is blown away with the next track Freaky Black Greetings, which features some hard-hitting guitars, one slashing the chords and the other on the wah-wah peddle. Since this album is rock, it would have probably been better if he started the cd with this track. On the other hand you would not have been so jolted if he had.

Ghetto Rock, is a perfect example of fusing rock and hip-hop sensibilities. The track has a booming drum and an electric guitar sounding more like a sitar, which plays the chorus. Mos freestyles on the track. He does this on the majority of the record.

Mos Def has been quoted as saying that he wanted to release a rock cd with his group Black Johnson, but this never materialized. I would assume that a lot of tracks that was planned for that project are on here. Zimzallabim features the group in all their Jimi Hendrix glory. The guitars going backwards and other distortions are used to great effect here. At the end of the track they let loose in the best bang your head Living Colour mode.

Just in case you didnt get the message that this is a rock/hip-hop record, Mos raps over The Doors Five To One (from their Waiting For The Sun record) on The Rape Is Over, I think you get the message. Jim Morrison free styled a lot himself so rapping over him is very appropriate. Super producer Kanye West did this song.

One of the best tracks on this cd has got to be Blue Black Jack, a blues laced gem where the band cuts it loose as well as Mos on the vocals. Once again he sounds like he improvising and that makes it more real sounding. This is some down home nasty blues type stuff that they used to play at the juke joints. The organ is in here too grinding it out. You jus gotta nod your head while hearing this.

Bedsty Parade & Funeral March sounds more like something that would have been on Black On Both Sides, similar to Umi. It has a free wheeling beat with the drummer ridding those cymbals. It has a vague blues feel to it sounds like something Steve Miller might have done back in the day.

Sex, Love and Money is a more traditional hip-hop freestyle joint with a menacing horn sample and a flute, giving it that Gil Scott-Heron feel.

If there is one song that I am not feeling, its the Kanye West produced Sunshine. The damn speeded up chipmunk style sample is there in full effectagain. The sample is Let The Sunshine from the Broadway musical Hair. I think this is from the original cast album. It is not The Fifth Dimension version. The rap is good on this joint; its the sample that is annoying as hell. Close Edge, which follows, is another traditional hip-hop joint that has Mos quoting The Message.

On The Panties, Marvin Gaye makes his first of three appearances. Sampling the strings and some of the vocals from I Want You, Mos sings/raps his song of seduction guaranteed to get the honeys in da mood. As an added bonus, at the end he quotes from The Moments Sexy Mama.

War is a song with a schizophrenic feel to it. The beginning starts off as traditional hip-hop and then after inserting a sample from a movie, in case you forgot this is a rock album, the guitars come back with full force.

Two more traditional, mundane songs Grown Man Business, sampling Barry White Im Gonna Love You Just A Little More, for no particular reason and Life Is Real are pretty much forgettable.

Marvin Gaye makes his next appearance on Modern Marvel, a nine-minute free form masterpiece. Mos starts speaking/singing over Marvins Flying High In The Friendly Sky, sometimes sounding like Pharrell on the N*E*R*D track Bobby James. He also quotes Curtis Mayfields opening monologue to If Theres Hell Below We All Gotta Go. After some more free styling the song shifts and samples Marvins Whats Going On." Mos unleashes a rant asking,

If Marvin was alive now
Wow
What would I say to him?
Where could I start?
How could I explain to him?
I know the world would probably look strange to him
Would he feel like the day had a place for him?
Global imprisonment,
Sickness indifference
When he said save the babies whos listening?
When he said mercy mercy did he really know
That decades later wed still be killing folks?
Or did he hope that we would realize
That we the first, the sun the earth, the moon, the stars, the great beyond
We Black and proud
We brave and strong
We raise it up
We quiet storm
Forever fresh and keeping on

The record could have ended there but there it continues with The Easy Spell, another rocker. The Beggar is a beautiful mesmerizing love song with hypnotic drums beating that keeps the song from slipping into the mush zone. It has distant echoes of Donny Hathaways More Than You Ever Know, in its sentiment.

Champion Requiem closes this brilliant cd with a guitar sample hook that sounds like its from The Supremes song Keep Me Hanging On. The song pays homage to those entertainers and average folk who have passed soldiers locked down in the cell.

For those who want more traditional hip-hop, there is always Masta Ace (on the underground tip) LL and Big Boi (on the commercial/pop tip). For those who want to have their musical palate expanded and titillated, this is your release. The five year wait was worth it for this record. Mos Def is back and he has come correct!
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30. "Cosiggy"
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*tear drops*


  

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31. "Here's the problem"
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The album is supposed to be a "Mos Def" album. I live in NYC and the only songs on the radio make it seem like a "hip-hop/rap" album. I have no problem with the CD itself, but the promotion of it as a "Mos Def" album is misleading beacause it's WAY more a "Black Jack Johnson" album than anything else. LIke i said, i like it, but it's dissapointing that they need to disguise the product as something else so that they can get some sales...........I'm sure there are some dissapointed heads in BK now thinking this was gonna be straight killer hip hop album.

  

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32. "i LIKES this shit"
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fuck what yall say.

  

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33. "RE: i LIKES this shit"
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Modern Marvel #14 is the hottest song of the year!!

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34. "I hated Phrenology! Will I like The New Danger?"
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I'm still split on whether or not I want this album. I was none too pleased with Mos' performance on Leno. Is the album The Love Below good as far as innovation?

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36. "What does Phren have to do with New Danger?"
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And his performance on Leno was a blues song, the whole album aint all like that.. just a piece of the puzzle

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35. "it's one of those slept on's"
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it's different, but not too far from what mos is about.
most of the songs sound like they were from scrapped blk jack johnson project. But i think that this album will be something that my children will appreciate overtime....


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37. "This shit is like a breath of fresh air to hiphop right"
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I love this shit when I got it from the store you gotta have a open mind wit shit like this.It's like Rock-jazz-Rap and that shit blended nice though.
Now as for the rock elements I have mixed emotions some of them are tight some are not
this album is like evolution
my vote was excellent.I'd say almost classic
Plus I was faded when I listened to It first

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39. "This album is"
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what Mos himself said - its part of his CATALOG - he's not a 'single' way. With this album he expanded on what he said about MUSIC in general, on BOBS. he said WE (blackfolk, sorry my fellow lighter ones) created most of this ishh. Why not get into & jam in other genres?

I don't have an issue with the album - its DOPE - Mos's mystique over time has created space for this fool to get down any way he pleases - he's gon' still have an audience. The fact that he's expanded himself into other mediums shows he's interested in expanding - this album reflects that. & naw, i doubt he's given up on "traditional" 16bar/4-beat bangin either - NOT the point of this album.

I am in agreement though, the album is more of a BJJ project - that's FINE, as long as everybody gets props. It does come off as a more relaxed, freestyle enviroment. He's gonna perfrom at BlueNote nextmonth - you can beleive there won't be DATS there, just musicians doing what they feel that night or week.

Really, as Common did, Kwe tried to do, the Roots do regularly now, they all seem to look as hip-hop NOW

NOW

as being a vehicle for them to expand its current sound & way. They did it one way back then, & are coming on a new way now - fuk it, i'm down w/that. They all said, hip-hop (KRS & many others say this too) is a lifestyle - there ain't real specifics to how you live that life.

That said, these mufuccckkkkkkas are trying to get the wheels rolling on the NEXT level y'all. They seem to keep in mind, "Where are we taking this shit today to, TOMMOROW?" This is isssshhhhhhh for y'all kids to crate dig & discover over spacey blunts in 25 yrs yo. Can't hate on that.

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