21,507 units

Strong start out the gate...

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

these cats are so used to seeing people like Jay push hundreds of thousands in a week that they won't even recognize that as a success...but that is DEFINITELY a big debut for a female R&B artist...especially without a mega-platinum producer behind her single or whatever...

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

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Peace,

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I've always been curious about that. Or just the labels get those?

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>I've always been curious about that.
> Or just the labels
>get those?

It's on subscription basis. Don't call me a hater, but that's kinda weak especially since the CD was mad cheap. I've been talking to alot of people about the album, and some of the older folks, 32-45 aren't feeling all the cursing. I know some may feel they're out of the demo, but yo they are really supporting the "neo-soul" artists. These are the same people who copped Jill, India.Arie, Erykah, Musiq, Maxwell, D'Angelo, and one cat in particular (pretty open-minded) said that he wasn't feeling Bilal for the same reason. All the best to Jag, 'cause I thought the album was cool, but the language is definitelty alienating folks. Partcularly some of those listeners who listen to the Adult R&B stations. Those folks buy albums!!! "Cause they have the discretionary income, and alot of them aren't computer savvy enough to download the stuff off the net.

21k, Jag is in for an uphill battle, hope she has a hot second single. 'Cause she damn sure can't push the album by touring in her pregnant state.

But by the way LG, could we get some soundscan #'s on other relevant artists latest works? Reflection Eternal, LWFC, De La Soul, Bilal, Mos Def...
>
>=============--
>.:dee ph!:.
>(aol/aim: Dee Phunk)
>(audiogalaxy: Dee_Phunk)
>
>MY BRAIN CHILDREN:
>You should know by now.
>Really.
>
>I'm a , I spit
> and I get
>easily.
>
>"It's 2002, and you thought you
>was gonna see flying saucers
>when you was
>watching The Jetsons back in the
>day. I thought we
>were gonna have moon
>boots and all of that, but
>ain't none of that so
>a nigga right now is
>like
>'Fuck it! Let's see some
>change.' " -G. Dep,
>XXL Magazine (Mar 2002, pg
>44)
>
>Kam: "how are white girls?"
>Steve: "white girls are okay."
>-late nite chat room, 01/30/02


"Unlike those underground cats who rock for heads, we include the throat, chest, arms, and legs"

-Posdnus
'01

Isn't there was a clean version of the album?

Shaun G.

If you don't like it , too bad !

Shit happens

That was an "okay" first week-definitely not the best, but certainly nothing to brag about. MCA definitely needs to throw some PUSH behind her album rather than a revamped Mary joint. Does Jag even have a video? Oh, and the cursing does affect her-believe me. I love her, but I'm not blind to the fact that she turn a lot of people off with her language.

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Ya'll are trippin'...21K is a great debut for an unknown artist. With NO video, NO radio....strictly press and word of mouth, thats a great start. MCA shouldn't be braggin' i agree...Spend some money, get a video, get more radio play...

Label Guy...Tell'um how many units The Roots sold first album, first week. (I was there...it wasn't pretty)

I hate bashin' okayplayers but...if you don't know what you're talking about...


Peace,
Keith Mack

see my earlier post, the first reply in this piece...

no video rotation, no real radio rotation, and moving 21,000? that's like selling 21,000 *indie* (cuz the only real diff b/t indie and major label artists, 5 times outta ten, is the indie guys never get radio or video rotation).

(and I don't think the press ads helped)

All I can figure is that the appearance on Unplugged and the (relatively) steady touring + word of mouth did it.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

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Peace,

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http://wutangbook.com

I work within the business, 21k is sorry. Fuck that let's be frank, they can build with it, since it's an R&B album, but as far as a first week total that is totally lackluster. You say it would be good if it was a "indie" artist-but shit Jaguar is signed to a MAJOR laber putting up MINOR numbers. As far as cat's not knowing what they talking about, save that shit.

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Now, name for me the female R&B artist in 2000/2001 who did over 20,000 in their debut week with virtually no radio or video play.

Better yet, scroll down to the part of the thread where label_guy compares Jag's stats with other "famous" debuts (she tops debuts from the roots, jill (even tho she was on MTV2 almost on the daily before her joint dropped!), and several others).

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back

Abolitionist Movement representing...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

shawn gee says later in this thread that jill had no video play before her album dropped. maybe my memory is faulty.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back

Abolitionist Movement representing...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

8,000 her first week out.

and her video came 3 weeks later.

so in hindsight, this is no nsync. but this to me explains the power of the net, the press, and satellite cable (mtv2).....

and jag of course.

so let's hope the powers that be (read my label) wont let a good thing (read res album) go to waste.





if i ever went solo, my favorite drummer would be me bragging sig:

"How great are the Roots live? Their drummer.oh my god, he's such a great
drummer. He's so good. So good! Such a great drummer. Is he one of those
musicians that knows how to play everything? He's such a great drummer. I
love them."
-james king

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

>so let's hope the powers that
>be (read my label) wont
>let a good thing (read
>res album) go to waste.

I know you're out of the behind the scenes RES loop but you're a little too early to call it a "waste".... the next 3 months will tell the tale.
#1 - her video is dope (we spent some $ - Gregory Dark directed it) and was well received at MTV this week...already added this week to VH1
#2 - we impact at Top 40 in 2 weeks and the response at radio in the Top 50 markets has been very positive so far
#3 - she's opening for Mary J Blige on her month-long European tour. she switched agents who has solid tour offers after she gets back from Europe

Holla at me in a couple of months......time will tell.

LG
Still grindin'.........
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

she switched agents
>who has solid tour offers
>after she gets back from
>Europe


lies!!!!!
CAA be creepin up on WMA acts on some jerry maguire shit, promising shit to artists and not delivering. contrare....wise woulda been for res to be at an agency in which there are SIMILAR artists so that she may tour with them.

and with every left to center act in black music at WMA.....wouldn't you want your artist there too so that you can benifit on some instant opening act shit?

i blame res' managment for that one. performing is the only thing that kept us alive for so long. that's the shit i'd look at when making up my mind where do i go.....

i know no CAA artist surviving without a hit record. case and point (macy)

album flop.
tour stop.
caa....





if i ever went solo, my favorite drummer would be me bragging sig:

"How great are the Roots live? Their drummer.oh my god, he's such a great
drummer. He's so good. So good! Such a great drummer. Is he one of those
musicians that knows how to play everything? He's such a great drummer. I
love them."
-james king

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

...i know heads that can hustle that out the back of their trunk without any lable, video, airplay, tour dates. And normally profanity on a record doesn't bother me none, but some of the language on her joint seemed a bit gretuitous...like i'ma curse just to show i aint takin' no shorts and i'ma a "strong black woman from the ghetto" naaaaaawww...

have you ever seen her perform? cuz she curses waaaay more and she is muuuuch "stronger" on stage, the album is a more tame and focused studio jag, so trust that them curses is not just provin a point, they are probably more likely the curses that they didnt take out

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how can a non-computer saavy person such as myself obtain YahZahrah and Ursula Rucker w/o purchasing via the Net?



>>Partcularly some of those listeners
>who listen to the Adult
>R&B stations. Those folks
>buy albums!!! "Cause they
>have the discretionary income, and
>alot of them aren't computer
>savvy enough to download the
>stuff off the net.

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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SoundScan is on a subscription basis and they definitely price it for Record Companies that can afford. You pay quarterly and the prices range from 1,500 per quarter for demographics on 1 genre to 14k per quarter for full access. Definitely not for the "shoestring budgeteers"

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i told my barber about it and the best buy deal and he went to get after he finished my hair.

better promotion along with cheap cds would help.
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"Get together yo shit and move your ass to a proper toilet..."---

"You must sincerely be out of your god-damn mind. Shit like that makes the civilized become uncivilized. I suggest you stay away from me upon my return."---ADub

And this is why he is

_________________________
Man up

“Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist”---George Carlin

'prov....unfortunately in Motive's situation we don't control the purse strings. I mean we have an imprint but MCA still controls all of the budgets. It's kinda like finally getting your own room, but you're still in your parents house...so you still can't do shit. They make all of the decisions as to how to allocate funds. Jag's first week numbers aren't earth shattering like Mary,...etc. but you can't really compare her to a Mary. I mean in order to put it in perspective, examine 2 artists that have had similar situations (no video, no radio before album dropped) Res and Jill Scott. Res did about 7K (I think) her first week without a video or major radio play and Jill did about 10K (I think) in the same situation, so if you compare apples to apples then I'd say Jag did relatively well.

The key is to follow Jill's lead and continue the momentum...granted we don't have a video now, but hopefully the folks that control the purse strings will put some money behind a video, and we can continue the momentum. Now is the time to get the word out and spend some money. Hopefully we've proven that Jag could provide a great return on MCA's investment.

"Ernest Lee is Shorty. In the Little Leagues, he can front like he’s something important, but any attempt to move into the big time leaves him exposed, shocked, and utterly outclassed". - (taken from the Blowhard league archives)

are people still saying that releasing her on the same day as that Mary J remix was a bad idea?

Did it hurt her? Help her? Make no difference whatsoever?

RED
No dream. Lose the race, fat boy.

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[]i know yall decided not to release it, but how did it get put on the Rolling Stone website for Jag?

i searched for her and bam! there it was

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The industry is BUZZING STRONG about Jaguar, and the content feeding frenzy is in full swing as media publications and websites are trying to have pictures, and articles, Q&A, and contests, and reviews... trying to show 'HEY LOOK WHAT WE GOT ON JAG'. The video shoot istself is no big secret, but completed versions DO exist... it was just 'unauthorizedly' added to their site.

That was a good question. The video has been sitting here 2 weeks since it was shot last Aug. If it was to be public, we would have long since showed it right here on OKP. pictures and video stuff from 'The Making Of The Video' (that never was) would be all over the place.

Such as life.

B.Kyle
_______________________
Jag: I was stunned when the n*@@a pulled the tied up unconcious dude from the trunk and tossed him over the bridge.
B.Kyle: Damn Jag, so you're a singer, songwriter, and an accessory to murder!?

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Got some folks to cop the album...so far they like it, hopefully they'll spread the word.

You're maintaining, brah? Been a minute.


"Get together yo shit and move your ass to a proper toilet..."---

"You must sincerely be out of your god-damn mind. Shit like that makes the civilized become uncivilized. I suggest you stay away from me upon my return."---ADub

And this is why he is

_________________________
Man up

“Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist”---George Carlin

I thought I saw a snippet on mtv...

f12
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f12

how well did dice raw and the jazzyfat's
albums do in terms of sales? is 21 thou good
for a small imprint like motive? i hope so...

"If you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready." -Suga Free

dice and the jazzy's did that much all together..

jazzies maybe 40 K?

but they had press too, time magazine, decent promo and a video with hardly any air play...

so yeah, jag's numbers are alright with me, but now is the time where MCA can't lag behind.

Much love,
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God bless em, they worked hard for every sale...hard to do when your label ain't really behind you like that...

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back

Abolitionist Movement representing...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

First time I saw a Jazzy video was around 5am in the morning and it was on BETJazz.

"There is no darkness like Ignorance"

no joke.

i swear i read somewhere, from LG or somewhere else, that dice only did, like, 2500 in his first week. i remembered thinking, "he could have sold that many out his trunk, freestyling on the corner in Philly".

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back

Abolitionist Movement representing...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

i know i saw a clip of her performing "what if" for a cocacola commercial

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The most important thing a lot of people are missing is that the album isn't very good. The cursing is definitely a turn off, and you don't really like Jag as an artist. The foul liner notes where she's calling out her in laws, is just crass. Jill's album was good, so it sold itself through GOOD word of mouth. Jag's Cd will not sell that well, because it simply isn't that good. Press, or no press if it's not good product it won't sell. Not unless you're Clive Davis and can overhype an album like he did Alicia's CD (so overrated its ridiculous and criminal), this CD will not take off. I saw Jag live when she played before Maxwell in Chicago and she was madd nice. She has a great voice. But I was very disappointed with the "experience" of the CD.


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"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

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"And yo whereabouts??? Please, ain't a bone in my body that'll prolly allow me to attempt to pretend U sumthin I care about"-SugaFree

No the Cd isn't a Jill Scott or Erykah Badu, but it is good for a new artist with damn near no funds (you know how MCA does there artists).

True the cussing is a turn off, but hopefully people that really like the cd, but prefer no cursing, will go and purchase a clean version. I mean hell, if you spend $7 on the one with explicit lyrics (give it away), and spend another $7 for the one with clean lyrics, you've just paid for a regular price cd. But you have also enlightened someone else with music when you give it away.


"There is no darkness like Ignorance"

that cd is terribull. I don't think Jill was rollin in dough either befoe her shit dropped. Stop makin excuses. considerin her shit WAS only Semn dollas 21 thou ain't shit. Skeelo's first cd did that shit and mo and his shit was like 14.99.

I'm curious to see why you think the CD is "terrible". I think it sounds good and don't hear anything remarkably unlistenable on it. "Terrible" is a very strong word. "Terrible" = unlistenable. I disagree with you completely.

ps: To those complaining about the cursing, you've got to be kidding me...you'll hear WAY more cursing on an album by "conscious" artists like Common or Kweli than you'll hear on the Jag album...I wouldn't recommend the album to devout Christians or anything, but since when has contemporary R&B been squeaky clean? Did y'all hate "Shit Damn Motherfucker" too?

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back

Abolitionist Movement representing...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>I'm curious to see why you
>think the CD is "terrible".
>I think it sounds good
>and don't hear anything remarkably
>unlistenable on it. "Terrible" is
>a very strong word. "Terrible"
>= unlistenable. I disagree with
>you completely.
>
>ps: To those complaining about the
>cursing, you've got to be
>kidding me...you'll hear WAY more
>cursing on an album by
>"conscious" artists like Common or
>Kweli than you'll hear on
>the Jag album...I wouldn't recommend
>the album to devout Christians
>or anything, but since when
>has contemporary R&B been squeaky
>clean? Did y'all hate "Shit
>Damn Motherfucker" too?

Come on bro', like it or not there is a double standard that we apply to R&B vs. Hip-Hop music. That's likely because we're more accustomed to rappers using profanity. We can accept in doses with R&B artists (the aforementioned D'Angelo, Prince etc.), but when it's on damn near every song, it gets a little too much. It is what it is.
>
>Thoughtfully yours,
>
>Spirit Equality
>
>If you really loved me, you'd
>check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality
>
>Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A
>is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram
>
>
>exhibit b of blackalicious illness is
>below...
>http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram
>
>I love em, I'm street teaming
>without being asked. LOL!!!
>
>If you believe in avant garde
>music with soul, peep out
>http://www.miscflux.com
>
>2002: The Underground Strikes Back
>
>Abolitionist Movement representing...


"Unlike those underground cats who rock for heads, we include the throat, chest, arms, and legs"

-Posdnus
'01

i don't remember hearing cursing on every song. maybe i'm so used to cursing on records that i don't even notice it anymore. i really only remember cusses on maybe 4 tracks. might have to listen closer.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram

exhibit b of blackalicious illness is below...
http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram

I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back

Abolitionist Movement representing...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

RED
No dream. Lose the race, fat boy.

RED
http://arrena.blogspot.com

3 copies free
does that count?


http://people.unt.edu/~mmp0015/

>The most important thing a lot
>of people are missing is
>that the album isn't very
>good. The cursing is definitely
>a turn off, and you
>don't really like Jag as
>an artist. The foul liner
>notes where she's calling out
>her in laws, is just
>crass.

Is she supposed to stop being who she is? Personally, I wouldn't have _ever_ called folks out like that but that's me...she's not me, I'm not her. Why do folks get so caught up in images, personalities, etc.? Jag can sing her ass off and I like cd. Granted, she's no Jill but she's good, nonetheless. Her cd is far from crap. Jag is an individual so why compare her to anyone else? Esp. Jill?

>Jill's album was good,
>so it sold itself through
>GOOD word of mouth. Jag's
>Cd will not sell that
>well, because it simply isn't
>that good. Press, or no
>press if it's not good
>product it won't sell. Not
>unless you're Clive Davis and
>can overhype an album like
>he did Alicia's CD (so
>overrated its ridiculous and criminal),
>this CD will not take
>off. I saw Jag live
>when she played before Maxwell
>in Chicago and she was
>madd nice. She has a
>great voice. But I was
>very disappointed with the "experience"
>of the CD.

the "experience" of the cd? what's that? Her music is all that should be judged. Not her personality, how she lives her life, her image, etc.
I showed a co-worker a picture of Jag after she'd come running to me, talking about she's heard "SUCH good things about this girl" and she frowned, saying "what's w/ her hair?" she immediately got stuck on image and didn't even give the girl a chance (my co-worker is an oreo who despises natural hairstyles). I suppose that's why Jill didn't want her face to be shown on her cd, etc. She wanted to be judged on her music.

But then, to each his own. I think her cd is a good first effort.

y'all *really* think" that you're tricking somebody into something don't you? what you don't realize is that most women decide within the first 5 minutes of meeting a dude whether or not they'll sleep with him. all your "game" is merely entertainment. - H

It's okay for Jag to be who she is, no question. But without the big budget and press, being an unlikeable artist/person doesn't help. But the CD itself, the music itself, just isn't that good. It's not the worst, but it wasn't good. I only used the Jill analogy because her CD sold because of word of mouth, which is how it seems that Jag's CD will have to sell. It's without question that Jag can sing, and live she's good, but the CD lacks a lot.

It has nothing to do with her hair or how she looks, although I know what you mean when people are suddenly turned off by an artist who looks "cultured" or "conscience", I've seen people do that too. But, I'm just saying in order for a CD to sell well by word of mouth, people have to like it and say good things about it. This CD is not good. I will not tell my peeps to go out and cop this CD because it isn't good enough to recommend. It ain't the worst, but I wouldn't RECOMMEND it. I hope she does a second Cd and get better production from producers who can bring out the raw talent she has. She can definitely rock it live, but she's gotta show it on the CD too.

Remember.....these are the days of your Life. Don't forget that.
-me

Princeguy reviews:

"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

The cursing is definitely
>a turn off,

now...hang on. i'm as pc as the next motherfuckin carlton banks nigga (i got jokes)...i'm assuming that with the name "princeguy" you seem to like prince. cool! we got something in common. cause i like him too. but i have to ask....is prince ("i sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth"...."my sister never made love to anybody else but me"....i can go on)also offensive to you? i can name mad rnb niggas that "offend"...oh wait...maybe that is the key word: niggas.

so are you saying that jag (who really dosn't offend no more than your average neo-phile (jill does songs about swallowing, d does golden shower songs, bilal goes to ike measures for his tina.....but most cats are so lost by the texture that they NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT'S BEING SUNG) is reinventing the wheel by fussin and cussin on her joints?



The foul liner
>notes where she's calling out
>her in laws, is just
>crass.

most cats i know don't even care about liner notes and in the age of "for all y'all motherfuckers who said i wouldn't make it!!!!! how ya like me now fuckers!!!!!!--type liner notes....i dunno yo. i kinda got a kick outta reading them (note to self: never cross jag when she's doin notes)


Jill's album was good,
>so it sold itself through
>GOOD word of mouth.

indeed. let's not forget timing as well. erykah backlash (hair issues, model build, mother nature shit) couldn't have been better. jill comes across as your next door neighbor. someone who's access dosn't make u feel like you aint one of her.

Jag's
>Cd will not sell that
>well, because it simply isn't
>that good.

here i disagree with you. jag is far far far above your "on my mind all the time" love you bullshit. she gets half a star for the subject matter...--fuck dat, i doubt no one in rnb even knows the definition of the word "lineage". contrare. i feel these are fresh outlooks on a broken heart:

-"what if" is not your average "bizounce"
-i love the "we gonna make it" angle of "country song"
-"same shit...."--sorry dukes i feel it hard. i know mad women that go through this. i counci---sheeeit i made em go through it.

look. i can go song for song. i will respect your opinion. (this is a far cry from "JAG'S ALBUM SUX"- posts as of late. but i am curious as to how you see the artistic failure of this record.

jag's singing performance is on point. not like i can say for most rnb diva's in which you can hear flat notes galore

the production is on point. i heard nan wrong notes, or execution on this record by any musician. myself included (i love my performance on "same shit" and "what if"...i think it's one of my better breakbeat 92 era performances....and i never brag on my drumming --sans the masterpiece "double trouble")





Press, or no
>press if it's not good
>product it won't sell. Not
>unless you're Clive Davis and
>can overhype an album like
>he did Alicia's CD (so
>overrated its ridiculous and criminal),
>this CD will not take
>off.

again...opinion counts. so i will respect yours. i love alicia as a person, and i respect her art, but i think there are some bland moments on her record. and dog, i don't feel that way about jag. she also hits a nerve with some jilted sistas out there. i seen jawns straight crying in the audience. sorry. this aint the "citzen kane" of neo soul.....but this aint the "shanghi surprise" either. (i really wanted to say graffiti bridge...)





I saw Jag live
>when she played before Maxwell
>in Chicago and she was
>madd nice. She has a
>great voice. But I was
>very disappointed with the "experience"
>of the CD.

so you accepted the way fouler rated x jag (out of all places a maxwell concert! a place where they stamp "pc" on your forehead upon entry) in concert, but felt the cd was whatever?

well...hey i'll take what i can get. but i dare you to grab 20 female rnb joints in the last 2 years and damn if jag aint in your top 5







if i ever went solo, my favorite drummer would be me bragging sig:

"How great are the Roots live? Their drummer.oh my god, he's such a great
drummer. He's so good. So good! Such a great drummer. Is he one of those
musicians that knows how to play everything? He's such a great drummer. I
love them."
-james king

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

> The cursing is definitely
>>a turn off,
>
>now...hang on. i'm as pc as
>the next motherfuckin carlton banks
>nigga (i got jokes)...i'm assuming
>that with the name "princeguy"
>you seem to like prince.
>cool! we got something in
>common. cause i like him
>too. but i have to
>ask....is prince ("i sincerely wanna
>fuck the taste out of
>your mouth"...."my sister never made
>love to anybody else but
>me"....i can go on)also offensive
>to you? i can name
>mad rnb niggas that "offend"...oh
>wait...maybe that is the key
>word: niggas.
>
>so are you saying that jag
>(who really dosn't offend no
>more than your average neo-phile
>(jill does songs about swallowing,
>d does golden shower songs,
>bilal goes to ike measures
>for his tina.....but most cats
>are so lost by the
>texture that they NEVER LISTEN
>TO WHAT'S BEING SUNG) is
>reinventing the wheel by fussin
>and cussin on her joints?
>
>
>
>
> The foul liner
>>notes where she's calling out
>>her in laws, is just
>>crass.
>
>most cats i know don't even
>care about liner notes and
>in the age of "for
>all y'all motherfuckers who said
>i wouldn't make it!!!!! how
>ya like me now fuckers!!!!!!--type
>liner notes....i dunno yo. i
>kinda got a kick outta
>reading them (note to self:
>never cross jag when she's
>doin notes)
>
>
>Jill's album was good,
>>so it sold itself through
>>GOOD word of mouth.
>
>indeed. let's not forget timing as
>well. erykah backlash (hair issues,
>model build, mother nature shit)
>couldn't have been better. jill
>comes across as your next
>door neighbor. someone who's access
>dosn't make u feel like
>you aint one of her.
>
>
> Jag's
>>Cd will not sell that
>>well, because it simply isn't
>>that good.
>
>here i disagree with you. jag
>is far far far above
>your "on my mind all
>the time" love you bullshit.
>she gets half a star
>for the subject matter...--fuck dat,
>i doubt no one in
>rnb even knows the definition
>of the word "lineage". contrare.
>i feel these are fresh
>outlooks on a broken heart:
>
>
>-"what if" is not your average
>"bizounce"
>-i love the "we gonna make
>it" angle of "country song"
>
>-"same shit...."--sorry dukes i feel it
>hard. i know mad women
>that go through this. i
>counci---sheeeit i made em go
>through it.
>
>look. i can go song for
>song. i will respect your
>opinion. (this is a far
>cry from "JAG'S ALBUM SUX"-
>posts as of late. but
>i am curious as to
>how you see the artistic
>failure of this record.
>
>jag's singing performance is on point.
>not like i can say
>for most rnb diva's in
>which you can hear flat
>notes galore
>
>the production is on point. i
>heard nan wrong notes, or
>execution on this record by
>any musician. myself included (i
>love my performance on "same
>shit" and "what if"...i think
>it's one of my better
>breakbeat 92 era performances....and i
>never brag on my drumming
>--sans the masterpiece "double trouble")
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Press, or no
>>press if it's not good
>>product it won't sell. Not
>>unless you're Clive Davis and
>>can overhype an album like
>>he did Alicia's CD (so
>>overrated its ridiculous and criminal),
>>this CD will not take
>>off.
>
>again...opinion counts. so i will respect
>yours. i love alicia as
>a person, and i respect
>her art, but i think
>there are some bland moments
>on her record. and dog,
>i don't feel that way
>about jag. she also hits
>a nerve with some jilted
>sistas out there. i seen
>jawns straight crying in the
>audience. sorry. this aint the
>"citzen kane" of neo soul.....but
>this aint the "shanghi surprise"
>either. (i really wanted to
>say graffiti bridge...)
>
>
>
>
>
>I saw Jag live
>>when she played before Maxwell
>>in Chicago and she was
>>madd nice. She has a
>>great voice. But I was
>>very disappointed with the "experience"
>>of the CD.
>
>so you accepted the way fouler
>rated x jag (out of
>all places a maxwell concert!
>a place where they stamp
>"pc" on your forehead upon
>entry) in concert, but felt
>the cd was whatever?
>
>well...hey i'll take what i can
>get. but i dare you
>to grab 20 female rnb
>joints in the last 2
>years and damn if jag
>aint in your top 5

Do you attribute that to the quality of Jag's album, or the sad state of R&B?

But since you went there, lemme think.

Jill
Erykah
Sade
Res
Angie Stone?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>if i ever went solo, my
>favorite drummer would be me
>bragging sig:
>
>"How great are the Roots live?
>Their drummer.oh my god, he's
>such a great
>drummer. He's so good. So good!
>Such a great drummer. Is
>he one of those
>musicians that knows how to play
>everything? He's such a great
>drummer. I
>love them."
> -james king
>


"Unlike those underground cats who rock for heads, we include the throat, chest, arms, and legs"

-Posdnus
'01

perhaps it's just me but lovers rock didn't hardly move me as much as the previous 4 did.

and even though i was part of the production team of "mama's gun", i can count a few moments i could do without, not to mention some cleanup work that coulda been done engineerwise.

ang's album is growing on me.

i already fucks with res and jill.

so i agree with some of your choices.

but jag is in my top 5.

(this sade album is not. i love her lyrics, and melody....but i am so accustomed to her previous production work, that i just feel it is a step backwards


yes this coming from a man involved with 3 major production changes of cats y'all wouldn't mind doing the same album over and over and over again (ery, d, com))






if i ever went solo, my favorite drummer would be me bragging sig:

"How great are the Roots live? Their drummer.oh my god, he's such a great
drummer. He's so good. So good! Such a great drummer. Is he one of those
musicians that knows how to play everything? He's such a great drummer. I
love them."
-james king

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

>perhaps it's just me but lovers
>rock didn't hardly move me
>as much as the previous
>4 did.

>(this sade album is not. i
>love her lyrics, and melody....but
>i am so accustomed to
>her previous production work, that
>i just feel it is
>a step backwards

you are probably the first person i heard say that cuz that's exactly how i feel. Sade's music has always spoken directly to me and I was so let down by Lover's Rock that i barely even play it any more. Every other Sade fan i talk to is sooooo in love with Lover's Rock but i swear i just don't understand why.

d

>and even though i was part of the production team of "mama's >gun", i can count a few moments i could do without, not to >mention some cleanup work that coulda been done engineerwise.

cleanups or not, mamas gun i think is the better record in virtually all aspects. jags album should be compared to baduizm in my humble opinion, not mamas gun. its a great debut, maybe a little more streamlined than people expected but its more than solid.

>perhaps it's just me but lovers
>rock didn't hardly move me
>as much as the previous
>4 did.
>
>and even though i was part
>of the production team of
>"mama's gun", i can count
>a few moments i could
>do without, not to mention
>some cleanup work that coulda
>been done engineerwise.

It's obvious that you're a perfectionist brother, and it comes across most of the time with your projects. But damn if I've heard a flawless album, it's "Mama's Gun" (Minus the confusion with the track listing). I was just listening to that the other day and I was privately giving you props for being part of that masterpiece. "AD 2000", easily one of my favorite album cuts of the last few years.
>
>ang's album is growing on me.
>
>
>i already fucks with res and
>jill.
>
>so i agree with some of
>your choices.
>
>but jag is in my top
>5.

I don't think the Jag album is bad (the cursing does bother me a bit, as it did with Bilal), but I really have to give it a chance to grow on me. And I got a kick out of her liner notes. Funny as hell.
>
>(this sade album is not. i
>love her lyrics, and melody....but
>i am so accustomed to
>her previous production work, that
>i just feel it is
>a step backwards

Funny, of all the ones I listed, Sade was the last one I thought you'd disagree with. I've never been a huge Sade fan, 'cause she never had brothers in her videos back in the day (my issue), but I liked "Lovers Rock" better than the one with "No Ordinary Love" on it.
>
>
>yes this coming from a man
>involved with 3 major production
>changes of cats y'all wouldn't
>mind doing the same album
>over and over and over
>again (ery, d, com))
>

But back to the original question, your ranking of Jag's album, more a statement of the quality of the album, or the sad state of R&B?

By the way, I miss your reviews, bless us when schedule permits.
Peace.
>
>
>
>
>
>if i ever went solo, my
>favorite drummer would be me
>bragging sig:
>
>"How great are the Roots live?
>Their drummer.oh my god, he's
>such a great
>drummer. He's so good. So good!
>Such a great drummer. Is
>he one of those
>musicians that knows how to play
>everything? He's such a great
>drummer. I
>love them."
> -james king
>


"Unlike those underground cats who rock for heads, we include the throat, chest, arms, and legs"

-Posdnus
'01

i'm surprised you didn't point that out, questo.

i don't even think res herself would claim to be an r&b artist. she strikes me more as alt-rock.

anyone disagree?

point is, it's not whether jag's album is so good or her peers are so bad. it's both. LOL. jag has a good album AND a lot of her peers in r&b are lacking.

i don't think too many people would argue that it's the best r&b album released so far this year. the raphael saadiq album is coming though...

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

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I love em, I'm street teaming without being asked. LOL!!!

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Peace,

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>i'm surprised you didn't point that
>out, questo.
>
>i don't even think res herself
>would claim to be an
>r&b artist. she strikes me
>more as alt-rock.
>
>anyone disagree?

"If It Ain't Nothin'" ain't R&B? What about "Sittin' Back"?
>
>point is, it's not whether jag's
>album is so good or
>her peers are so bad.
>it's both. LOL. jag has
>a good album AND a
>lot of her peers in
>r&b are lacking.
>
>i don't think too many people
>would argue that it's the
>best r&b album released so
>far this year. the raphael
>saadiq album is coming though...
>
>
>Thoughtfully yours,
>
>Spirit Equality
>
>If you really loved me, you'd
>check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality
>
>Blackalicious is gonna kill 2002....exhibit A
>is the link below http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_paragraphprez_auf.ram
>
>
>exhibit b of blackalicious illness is
>below...
>http://www.mcarecords.com/web_assets/blackalicious/audio/00_makeyoufeel_auf.ram
>
>I love em, I'm street teaming
>without being asked. LOL!!!
>
>If you believe in avant garde
>music with soul, peep out
>http://www.miscflux.com
>
>2002: The Underground Strikes Back
>
>Abolitionist Movement representing...


"Unlike those underground cats who rock for heads, we include the throat, chest, arms, and legs"

-Posdnus
'01

Peace,
Steve
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bust out a knife.. peep this..
"The most unusual success in next week's chart is Keke Wyatt's Soul Sista, which will appear at #43 with nearly 25,000 copies sold last week. When the R&B album was released in mid-November, it debuted at #60 but fell to #190 by Christmastime. Then over the holidays, Wyatt allegedly stabbed her husband five times with a steak knife. Ever since, Soul Sista has been steadily rising up the chart, moving to #143, #95, #77, #67, #50 and #43 in the weeks following the alleged incident. The single "Nothing in This World" has been receiving major spins at radio, and the LP has sold more than 250,000 copies. "


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Without changing the subject to much... I think it is a little sick that we live in a world where people will go out of their way to buy something that they normally wouldn't because the artist allegedly stabbed someone... Thats sicks. But I guess thats partly how Eminem gained his celebrity. Just be a jerk, kill a few people, maybe get arrested and then your shit sells.

About the JAG album... I personally have seen JAG numerious time at what was the Black LIlly at the wetlands back in the day. I was always happier when she was in attendance and when she contributed to the show. I must say that I was a little dissapointed with the album as a whole... I like An't nobody playing which I think was partly spawned at the lillies. Big up to Scott Storch who hooked up the keys and production... (I must admit that being a jew I love seeing the TuffJew name as a credit.) I personally feel like JAG can do better work and I look foward to seeing her move to the next level. Good luck and say fuck you to the haters.... Peace ~Geppetto

So many albums come out in the R&B field that it's pretty easy to miss a newcomer (particularly since radio has fairly closed playlists), so what probably happened was, the stabbing incident got KeKe name recognition in urban markets and people checked out the album, liked it, and spread the word. It's kinda like how Pac got name recognition just for constantly getting arrested and then for his incendiary comments in Vibe interviews, then people tuned into his albums and discovered they actually dug his stuff (having Dre produce and rap on "California Love" obviously played a big part too).

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

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THE CD MAY HAVE SOLD ALOT MORE. ALL MUSIC STORES DO NOT HAVE SOUND SCAN. MUSIC LOVERS! REMEBER. YOU ARE YOUR OWN BEST CRITIC! I NEVER LISTEN TO CRITICS WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING MUSIC.

THE JAWJUH MAN
DUTTY SOUTH NATIVE

>21,507 units
>Strong start out the gate...

Other 1st week soundscans:
The Roots/DYWM - 11,021 (#104 on Top 200)
Dilated Peoples/Platform - 19,607 (#74 on Top 200)
Nikka Costa - 12,014 (#120 on Top 200 & w/MTV Buzzworthy video)
Jill Scott - 7891 (#168 on Top 200)
Kina - 6167 (w/MTV Buzzworthy video)
Lina - 2290

just some raw data for y'all to look at while further assessing Jag's 1st week.

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

tomorrow, i'm heading out to buy jaguars album.


1. when do the non soundscan purchases finally trickle down into the published sales totals?


2. i usually buy music from an independent store in my area. i've noticed that a number of CDs i've purchases there, are labled as being made in Canada, by record company X, Y or Z located in Canada. where does the credit for my purchase show up in published stats. US or Canada?


although, i'm one person buying her album, i want that one album to count early.









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>1. when do the non soundscan
>purchases finally trickle down into
>the published sales totals?
>
they are "estimated" in the overall number. For instance, independent store in a certain area may be "weighted" so that when you buy 1 there, soundscan may counts it as 4 sold for the entire area by estimating that 3 other NON-soundscan stores in the area also sold one simulateously.

>2. i usually buy music from
>an independent store in my
>area. i've noticed that a
>number of CDs i've purchases
>there, are labled as being
>made in Canada, by record
>company X, Y or Z
>located in Canada. where does
>the credit for my purchase
>show up in published stats.
>US or Canada?
>
If its a Canadian release, it is technically an import with a different bar code so it won't be counted along with the US album with a certain bar code.
Don't think it counts for Canadian scans if bought in a US store.

LG
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Has Jag charted on the top 200 yet? you only gave the numbers for her. Is she a heatseeker on billboard? Is there a set number she has to reach before she can be a heatseeker?

second week it dropped to 82.

nazdak just posted the 2nd week sales numbers and said she did 17,000. that means she held pretty steady, which is amazing considering she STILL doesn't really have a presence at video and -- unless I'm mistaken -- she doesn't have a video in rotation yet either. that puts about $400,000 in MCA's coffers for two weeks' work ($10 an album, roughly). Um. Maybe they could take 200,000 of that and shoot a video? Heh.

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...well, in the ordinary world, this ain't a problem, but in VIDEO world, it IS a problem.

jag is pregnant.

I take it this means the corporate guys aren't trying to shoot her first video until she conceives?

Sigh.

I guess if they are concerned about that, they could shoot her from the chest up, right?

I'm only assuming this is a problem, but for videos, the female image is...well...definitely not being pregnant.

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Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>
>jag is pregnant.
>
>I take it this means the
>corporate guys aren't trying to
>shoot her first video until
>she conceives?

just a shot in the dark..but don't you mean delivers??

Kyle

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>Strong start out the gate...
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!! That wack b!tch is lucky she sold so many records. This the same hoe that blamed Jadakiss and Dr Dre for Bilal's album flopping..I wonder what her excuse is gonna be for her sh!t not moving anything. I didn't know there were 21,507 "Okayplayers" out there...That hoes album didn't sell outside of this site.

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San Francisco (Reuters) - After an exhaustive search, hip-hop journalist Cheo Coker has finally located the gay rapper: Nasir "Nas" Jones, known better to Internet newsgroup posters as BootenLeeFonsworth.

"I was shocked when I discovered Nas was posting on our boards," noted an exasperated Hub, of hip-hop band The Roots, between chew sticks. "I was even more shocked when one of our Web masters traced his IP address to a computer located in a gay porn post production facility."

Hub was not the only hip-hop figure to be shocked that Booten was the first rapper outted online. Superstar rapper Jay-Z also registered some surprise. "Well, when he talked about me having 'd--k sucking lips', I was questioning his sexuality, but once I found out he was posting on the Internet under an assumed name about me, I was pretty much convinced. The baggy pink suit was a tip-off, too." When asked whether he thought Nas could win a battle with Black Thought, the charismatic rapper replied with a smirk, "I don't believe him, he needs more people."

"Tracking Nas -- excuse me, Booten -- through the information superhighway was quite a task, but I was able to do it with the help of the staff at my site," noted Brian Kyle, a prominent figure at one hip-hop web site.

Nas, spotted limping away from Columbia label offices with an empty jar of Vaseline, could not be reached for comment.

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