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mdiddy
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"Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"


          

I hope these are the outtakes.

Maybe it will grow on me, but it seems everything that comes out of this camp okayplayer sounds the Same.



  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
huh
Apr 18th 2002
1
or......
Apr 18th 2002
2
i was saying that too
Apr 18th 2002
3
Could not have said it better.
Apr 18th 2002
4
so...
Apr 18th 2002
5
No
Apr 18th 2002
6
      Please no more Fela Samples
Apr 18th 2002
8
           who sampled fela?
Apr 18th 2002
10
                RE: who sampled fela?
Apr 19th 2002
15
                     RE: who sampled fela?
Apr 19th 2002
16
                     RE: who sampled fela?
Apr 19th 2002
17
                     common "sampled
Apr 19th 2002
22
                          doh!
Apr 19th 2002
23
                               RE: doh!
Apr 19th 2002
24
                               pssh here YOU go!
Apr 19th 2002
25
                                    RE: pssh here YOU go!
Apr 19th 2002
28
                               RE: doh!
Apr 22nd 2002
44
                               and replayed T. Allen's joint
Apr 22nd 2002
57
then choose better subject headers
Apr 18th 2002
9
RE: Could not have said it better.
Apr 19th 2002
21
first in flight...
Apr 18th 2002
7
so low
Apr 18th 2002
11
interesting theory..
Apr 18th 2002
12
In it...
Apr 18th 2002
14
RE: interesting theory..
Apr 22nd 2002
30
Gil
May 03rd 2002
102
?UEST...
Apr 25th 2002
61
Gil Scott Heron?
May 01st 2002
81
This album is DAMN sexy
Apr 19th 2002
26
RE: i was saying that too
Apr 19th 2002
27
      dude
Apr 22nd 2002
33
           RE: dude
Apr 22nd 2002
38
           RE: dude
Apr 22nd 2002
56
           not 4 nuthin
May 01st 2002
96
                RE: not 4 nuthin
May 02nd 2002
98
           RE: dude
May 05th 2002
111
blazing arrow's kinda dope...
Apr 18th 2002
13
Your post makes my day...
Apr 19th 2002
18
Sounds repetitive?
Apr 19th 2002
19
Boy, You R so Right!
Apr 19th 2002
20
      This debate is whack
Apr 20th 2002
29
           RE: This debate is whack
May 04th 2002
108
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
Apr 22nd 2002
31
blah blah blah
Apr 22nd 2002
34
maybe the arguement is lost on me.....
Apr 22nd 2002
35
Bottom Line....
Apr 22nd 2002
36
only if
Apr 22nd 2002
40
      check
Apr 22nd 2002
45
      alright...
Apr 22nd 2002
48
      RE: alright...
Apr 22nd 2002
53
           Rounders
Apr 25th 2002
62
      you want apples?
May 01st 2002
70
RE: blah blah blah
May 01st 2002
83
dayz, you're bugging
Apr 22nd 2002
49
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
Apr 22nd 2002
32
Laughing
Apr 22nd 2002
37
      Stop laughing and start thinking
Apr 22nd 2002
50
           Stop thinking and start laughing
Apr 22nd 2002
51
           Hey Spirit
Apr 22nd 2002
54
           RE: Stop laughing and start thinking
Apr 23rd 2002
60
           hold that phone
Apr 25th 2002
63
                Mikah influenced Gab
Apr 25th 2002
65
                From my knowledge
May 01st 2002
92
                RE: Mikah influenced Gab
May 02nd 2002
99
                gab reminds me
Apr 30th 2002
69
                     oh you reachin..now
May 01st 2002
72
                     trugoy? explain
May 01st 2002
89
                     i guess he was referring to D.A.I.S.Y. AGE
May 01st 2002
93
                          RE: i guess he was referring to D.A.I.S.Y. AGE
May 03rd 2002
105
                     RE: gab reminds me
May 03rd 2002
103
           thanks spirit.
Apr 30th 2002
68
it's not the most groundbreaking album in the world
Apr 22nd 2002
39
AHAHAHAHA
Apr 22nd 2002
42
Refreshing
Apr 22nd 2002
43
      Didn't you just say that? (n/m)
Apr 22nd 2002
55
I havent heard it yet..
Apr 22nd 2002
41
dunno
Apr 22nd 2002
46
Yeah i think so...
Apr 22nd 2002
47
free your mind........
Apr 22nd 2002
52
      you dont know me...
Apr 23rd 2002
58
           Again, I'm confused
May 01st 2002
90
                RE: Again, I'm confused
May 03rd 2002
101
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
Apr 23rd 2002
59
well said playa
Apr 25th 2002
64
      I swear
Apr 25th 2002
66
      exhibit A
Apr 30th 2002
67
      Honestly
May 01st 2002
91
      RE: well said playa
May 03rd 2002
104
my views on this album
May 01st 2002
71
I know one thing
May 01st 2002
74
RE: I know one thing
May 05th 2002
117
blazing arrows take 2 ACTION
May 01st 2002
77
?
May 01st 2002
80
RE: ?
May 01st 2002
88
      2 & 3?!?
May 01st 2002
94
           feel that way
May 01st 2002
95
                RE: feel that way
May 03rd 2002
100
you really don't like it huh
May 01st 2002
84
RE: blazing arrows take 2 ACTION
May 03rd 2002
107
      this album
May 05th 2002
110
...now jerome....yeeeeeeeas (c) morris
May 03rd 2002
106
ahhahahahahahahaaaa
May 05th 2002
113
      i like
May 05th 2002
116
           but evidence is trash...and he spits half the time.
May 05th 2002
118
                ev is cool
May 05th 2002
119
Blazing Arrows is far from whack!
May 01st 2002
73
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
May 01st 2002
75
Wherehouse exclusiv 2 disc set..bonus trax, video $9.99
May 01st 2002
85
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
May 01st 2002
76
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
May 01st 2002
78
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
May 01st 2002
86
RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?
May 01st 2002
82
only thing i dislike
May 01st 2002
87
up
May 01st 2002
79
question -
May 01st 2002
97
Purest Love
May 05th 2002
109
      RE: Purest Love
May 05th 2002
112
           thats funny.
May 05th 2002
114
                ooops....
May 05th 2002
115

GB9
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1. "huh"
In response to Reply # 0


          

blackalicious were featured artists (they are not official okayplayer artists)
and how does this album sound like ANYTHING that has come from D'angelo the Jazzyfatnasteez Dilated Peoples The Roots or Reflection Eternal???

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GB9
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2. "or......"
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...Common or Jaguar

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and do what you love

  

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qoolquest
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Thu Apr-18-02 07:12 PM

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3. "i was saying that too"
In response to Reply # 0


          

"i dont't know" bites "the root" which bites "100% dundee" which bit "war" which is a bite of "the light" which bites "can i" which bites "chicken grease" which bites "feel that way"


but if u can't get into it. hey i understand. this album is not for everybody.


just us sexy people.

--playing, this album aint for everyone. it's not a dance jawn, it's not a kill your car stereo and fuck someone up vibe. but i will say, it does something to me (first in flight, feel that way, chemical, so much more) not all hip hop needs to make you dance, or be better than "the world is yours" or dj able. i mean "feel that way"'s drums? man u would never catch me dead drumming like that! but still it works like a charm. no other drum pattern would fit but those drums. and for that i love this album enough to say i think its one of the most creative hip hop joints of 2002.


the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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mdiddy
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Thu Apr-18-02 07:15 PM

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4. "Could not have said it better."
In response to Reply # 3


          

It aint for me, but I hate rap anyway.




>"i dont't know" bites "the root"
>which bites "100% dundee" which
>bit "war" which is a
>bite of "the light" which
>bites "can i" which bites
>"chicken grease" which bites "feel
>that way"
>
>
>but if u can't get into
>it. hey i understand. this
>album is not for everybody.
>
>
>
>just us sexy people.
>
>--playing, this album aint for everyone.
>it's not a dance jawn,
>it's not a kill your
>car stereo and fuck someone
>up vibe. but i will
>say, it does something to
>me (first in flight, feel
>that way, chemical, so much
>more) not all hip hop
>needs to make you dance,
>or be better than "the
>world is yours" or dj
>able. i mean "feel that
>way"'s drums? man u would
>never catch me dead drumming
>like that! but still it
>works like a charm. no
>other drum pattern would fit
>but those drums. and for
>that i love this album
>enough to say i think
>its one of the most
>creative hip hop joints of
>2002.
>
>
>the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson
>robot dance rating (aka..why i
>love ebay)
>
>soul train 73-@@@@@
>merv griffin 74-@@@@
>the carol burnette show-@@1/2
>mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
>dinah shore 74-@@@@
>the sonny and cher comedy hour
>74- @@@1/2
>cher! 75-@@@@@
>american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
>the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
>
>the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
>
>the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
>
>the rich little show-@@@
>the jacksons live in london 1978-@@
>(too busy focusing on audience
>frenzy instead of mike's robot
>break)
>the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
>michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@



  

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5. "so..."
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

you can't even appreciation the musical aspect of the album?

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mdiddy
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Thu Apr-18-02 07:31 PM

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6. "No"
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Cause I got my ears set on the new Roots and Comm

anything before that I aint tryin' to hear from this camp

well unless D comes with a rock album.




  

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mdiddy
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Thu Apr-18-02 07:32 PM

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8. "Please no more Fela Samples"
In response to Reply # 6


          

Please!




>Cause I got my ears set
>on the new Roots and
>Comm
>
>anything before that I aint tryin'
>to hear from this camp
>
>
>well unless D comes with a
>rock album.



  

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qoolquest
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10. "who sampled fela?"
In response to Reply # 8


          

the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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Aquaman
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15. "RE: who sampled fela?"
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Common did.

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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Quez
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16. "RE: who sampled fela?"
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>Common did.

Common sampled Femi... Fela's son...

Squeamish kids, yall get the eff outta this post (c) Jay-Z

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"Muthafucka, I pull your face off...
bout to show you what the fuck you look like" --- Kool Keith

oh well

  

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Aquaman
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17. "RE: who sampled fela?"
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no... I think Com sampled Fela and Femi sang on it...
could be wrong... where are my notes?

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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qoolquest
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22. "common "sampled"
In response to Reply # 15


          

the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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qoolquest
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23. "doh!"
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com didn't sample fela. he replayed the bassline to "water got no enemy"
for his pops to rap over. i mean, did you really expect him to say his poem over "night of the living baseheads"?

anyways, fela's catelouge is bad as fuck. if you can't feel fela then......

ok i won't finish that line.


but let a brother find himself. and if he finds himself in africa you can't get mad at that right brother? (assuming you are a fellow african)




the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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label_guy
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24. "RE: doh!"
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>but let a brother find himself.
>and if he finds himself
>in africa you can't get
>mad at that right brother?
>(assuming you are a fellow
>african)
>
>
As long as he doesn't find himself in the world music section of a record store bins I'm straight. (insert levity)
And not only am I a brother, I'm also a member.


LG
Download it, like it, BUY it......

LG
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Isaiah 54:17

  

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qoolquest
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25. "pssh here YOU go!"
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man don't you got a gene anthony ray bio/debbie allen film to exec produce?



the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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label_guy
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28. "RE: pssh here YOU go!"
In response to Reply # 25


          

>man don't you got a gene
>anthony ray bio/debbie allen film
>to exec produce?
>
>
AAAAAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Good one, on that note I'm going to call it a week.

Bruh, your album cover is SICK!


LG
doing my job since 1991
Download it, like it, BUY it......

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

  

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44. "RE: doh!"
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Fela is the ish... that's interesting about replaying the bass line... and the drums? No Fela huh? Interesting again...
Teacher Please Don't Teach Me No Nonsense... yeah ....

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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TDS
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57. "and replayed T. Allen's joint"
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just for the record,

Com's 'The Heat' is a great deal inspired by the first track of Tony Allen's Black Voices album. Saw him a few weeks a go with Doctor L, he still knows how to drum his bitch without spilling an inch. Did you ever try to collab with him, or did I mis it?

  

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9. "then choose better subject headers"
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>It aint for me, but I
>hate rap anyway.

ain't for me isn't "wack", it means it ain't for you. to me, your subject header sounded like a "dis"-claimer telling other people they would be "dis"-appointed by the joint (i.e., a dis). If you "hate rap" and are only waiting for Com and The Roots, do the rest of us a favor and don't review albums in a genre you mostly hate anyway...

ps: My Blackalicious bias ought to be shining through quite clearly, but the above points go for any genre...I don't want to see posts "Rock Band X, Kinda Whack" from someone who hates all rock except Pearl Jam...it might steer impressionable people away from an otherwise good record...for whatever reason, most people are more likely to remember a negative opinion (wack) than a positive one (dope).

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

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For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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21. "RE: Could not have said it better."
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why?

  

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7. "first in flight..."
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now that joint has alot of potential.

Speaking of which, did u hear how gil scot heron sounded on it?

he didn't sound too good. I heard he recently hit rock bottom with substance abuse problems.

Either way, that was cool to showcase him on the track.

  

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11. "so low"
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he's serving 7 years in rikers island with shine.


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soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
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12. "interesting theory.."
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You know when celebrities crash and/or burn, usually it's because of some hidden issue that's been magnified because of their status?

Well a friend of mine gave a really good theory as to why someone like gil scott heron has seemed to fall on hard times.

She was saying how people like gil scott who are passionate and very aware of the ill's of society and the world takes alot of things to heart.
Just looking back at the catalogue he's released and his infamous performances, you can see his insight.

She just stated, when you try to be pro-active and have an impact on people, then time continues on and things pretty much still stay the same, it may be very discouraging to people and they may lose hope...even someone like a gil scott heron.
Probably more so someone like him, too much deep thinking may have turned to depression, which turns to release and escape (artificial escape or not).

I admire gil scot for what he's done. I hope he has someone who can help him in his time of need. We're not all supermen in this life.

  

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14. "In it..."
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GSH's been using for a LONG time. At least since the early 70's, and I would guess since before.

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30. "RE: interesting theory.."
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true dat. caring about the world too much can get you way down. Not that my activist career has been as extensive as Gil Scott Heron's, but I remember I hit rock bottom when I had spent months organizing a speaking event for Noble Obani Nwibari, a Nigerian refugee and v.p. of the Movement for the survival of the Ogoni people. This was the Shell Oil thing for those who remember a few years ago. I had flyered the hell out of campus, gotten press releases, local newspaper articles, word of mouth, etc. 50 people showed up. that's it. A week later some stupid ass comedian or somebody like that came and everybody and their mother went. That was rough. I started to see why all my seasoned activist friends were nearly alcoholics. It's hard not takin it personally. People are so apathetic and self absorbed it makes you want to scream sometimes......patience, patience, patience

  

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102. "Gil"
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Gil is still doing so much for us. Letting us learn from his mistakes. I still hold him in the most highest regards, cause he is God.

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61. "?UEST..."
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I think his voice sounds good, I like the effects added to his voice too. Didn't you product that track ?uest? Was this a while ago, cause got locked up like 3 months ago at least



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81. "Gil Scott Heron?"
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You're not serious . . . Gill Scot Heron's a basehead?

  

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26. "This album is DAMN sexy"
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FO SURE





  

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27. "RE: i was saying that too"
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>it's not a dance jawn,
>it's not a kill your
>car stereo and fuck someone
>up vibe.

dude, he didn't say he didn't like it for not being danceable or hardcore. he didn't like it. those are pretentious assumptions for you to make. he said it sounded too much like okayplayer material, and you avoided that comparison by making new ones of your own. get of that shit. you wouldn't play drums this way or that.... so? excuses,excuses,excuses.

hankery.
it's what's for dinner.



  

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33. "dude"
In response to Reply # 27


          


>dude, he didn't say he didn't
>like it for not being
>danceable or hardcore. he didn't
>like it. those are pretentious
>assumptions for you to
>make.


well i think it's pretentious for someone to say "it sounds like "okayplayer" material.

if this is godamn okayplayer then......

is it me?

he said it sounded
>too much like okayplayer material,
>and you avoided that comparison
>by making new ones of
>your own. get of that
>shit. you wouldn't play drums
>this way or that.... so?
>excuses,excuses,excuses.

dude. i don't know what the fuck you talking about, and you sound like you on some bandwagon startin' something shit. if dude has a problem with my rebut then let him confront me on it. you his bodyguard or something? i saw nothing disrespectful in my original reply to him, and you taking it all personal.
bandwagon,bandwagon,bandwagon.






the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
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38. "RE: dude"
In response to Reply # 33


          

now Soullive.

ahh, one long Okayplayer record, yes indeed

then again it is hard to follow up Voodoo







>
>>dude, he didn't say he didn't
>>like it for not being
>>danceable or hardcore. he didn't
>>like it. those are pretentious
>>assumptions for you to
>>make.
>
>
>well i think it's pretentious for
>someone to say "it sounds
>like "okayplayer" material.
>
>if this is godamn okayplayer then......
>
>
>is it me?
>
> he said it sounded
>>too much like okayplayer material,
>>and you avoided that comparison
>>by making new ones of
>>your own. get of that
>>shit. you wouldn't play drums
>>this way or that.... so?
>>excuses,excuses,excuses.
>
>dude. i don't know what the
>fuck you talking about, and
>you sound like you on
>some bandwagon startin' something shit.
>if dude has a problem
>with my rebut then let
>him confront me on it.
>you his bodyguard or something?
>i saw nothing disrespectful in
>my original reply to him,
>and you taking it all
>personal.
>bandwagon,bandwagon,bandwagon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson
>robot dance rating (aka..why i
>love ebay)
>
>soul train 73-@@@@@
>merv griffin 74-@@@@
>the carol burnette show-@@1/2
>mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
>dinah shore 74-@@@@
>the sonny and cher comedy hour
>74- @@@1/2
>cher! 75-@@@@@
>american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
>the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
>
>the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
>
>the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
>
>the rich little show-@@@
>the jacksons live in london 1978-@@
>(too busy focusing on audience
>frenzy instead of mike's robot
>break)
>the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
>michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@



  

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56. "RE: dude"
In response to Reply # 33


          

good try.

i'm nobody's bodyguard.
i didn't take it personal.
that would be silly.

i could care less if buddy had a problem with your rebut.
i did.
if someone posts their dislikes about an artist you've collaborated with, you usually respond with an assumption that they "aren't ready yet" or go to comparative extremes to justify why the artist in question is dope, and i pointed that out. i didn't go on a mad "let's lynch ?uest" rampage, and you're jumping the gun to assume that i'm trying to start shit. please.


  

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96. "not 4 nuthin"
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but
i dont mean to intrude on your lil back forth forth back shit here but it sounded here like you have a problem with a guy defending music he loves when people shit on it with things that make no sense (i have yet to see this guy or anyones else make comparisons of blackalicious to any other ok stuff), shit if you did a collab that was different from your normal flave and someone said yo thats weak its the same garbage you always do, would you be wrong for disagreeing?
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98. "RE: not 4 nuthin"
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>but
>i dont mean to intrude on
>your lil back forth forth
>back shit here but it
>sounded here like you have
>a problem with a guy
>defending music he loves when
>people shit on it with
>things that make no sense
>(i have yet to see
>this guy or anyones else
>make comparisons of blackalicious to
>any other ok stuff), shit
>if you did a collab
>that was different from your
>normal flave and someone said
>yo thats weak its the
>same garbage you always do,
>would you be wrong for
>disagreeing?
>please man
>dont be wack
>cuz no one loves you when
>your wack (c)myboydennis


naw, what i'm saying is ?uest is ridiculous with making excuses for artists he's collaborated with but it he hasn't effed with 'em yet, they get the gavel and book thrown @ them. i mean, this is the guy who said Pete Rock was disposable and JayDee was the illest hip-hop producer ever. i just think dude gets carried away. someone posted about not liking the singing in "Thought At Work"... ?uest responded "there's nothing wrong with Tariq's singing...". and the fallback response to someone not liking okaymaterial is usually "well, you're not ready yet, blahblah".

My original response was made before i got to listen to "Blazing Arrows", and i stopped after half of it. man, was i disappointed. I'd already heard "Make You Feel That Way", "Chemical Calistenics" and "Release", and was hyped. But, Man, the joints with Jurassic 5, Keke Wyatt, and Jaguar SUCKED! why were there so many collabs, Gab is ill in his own right, and works better alone. "First In Flight" was an extremely redeeming moment in the lp, though. it was just insane hearing Gil-Scott and Gift of Gab on the same song. damn.

but this is supposed to be one of the most original joints of the year? come on, man, the same week MF Grimm dropped, which i can't WAIT to get after hearing "Break Em Off" and "Words". now THAT's some next shit.

i'm just sick of listening to boring hip-hop because it's supposed to be smart music or something. where's the adrenaline? tempos, people, TEMPOS!!@!!

whatever.

hankathon 2002 wants you.

  

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111. "RE: dude"
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That album is shit. Theres two good songs but the rest of it is bullshit. Best album this years going to be that new Dj Shadow joint. Yeah I said it

  

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13. "blazing arrow's kinda dope..."
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my kind of dope nahmean....us sexy people dope...
its okay ur name is wack.....but then again i hate names....im just waiting for ____ and ____ to name themselves....

eat a cold sandwich of warm ass...

http://www.myspace.com/fourtwoseven
come get some...

  

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18. "Your post makes my day..."
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Some people around here post shit on okayplayer just to get a response. Unless Prince put his seal of approval on it, some folks are oblivious to any other music. And like you, I would also like to invite these individuals to eat a warm ass sandwich.

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19. "Sounds repetitive?"
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then why are you a repeat visitor to these boards whenever okayplayer tries to introduce something new. Nobody came over to prince.org and shit on Christopher Tracy's parade when "the Jehovah's Witness meets Nation of Islam" album was released. I mean...I'm just saying, since you're not a rap fan and all.

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20. "Boy, You R so Right!"
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Okayplayers think they know everything.





>then why are you a repeat
>visitor to these boards whenever
>okayplayer tries to introduce something
>new. Nobody came over
>to prince.org and shit on
>Christopher Tracy's parade when "the
>Jehovah's Witness meets Nation of
>Islam" album was released.
>I mean...I'm just saying, since
>you're not a rap fan
>and all.



  

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29. "This debate is whack"
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Ok. So you say Blazin Arrow is whack. Does that mean anyone who likes it is wrong and has to defend themseveles by explaining to you what they like about the project? Is that what this board is supposed to be about?

That's whack.


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108. "RE: This debate is whack"
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>Ok. So you say Blazin
>Arrow is whack. Does
>that mean anyone who likes
>it is wrong and has
>to defend themseveles by explaining
>to you what they like
>about the project

no.
you're getting ahead of yourself.
all mdiddy said was he didn't like "Blazing Arrows". That's it.

get a grip


  

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31. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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I feel you, I have heard the whole album,(and since given it away)it's a departure from Nia, I can see what you're saying about everything from the Okayplayer (yeah, yeah, only featured artists...so what)camp is starting to sound like one long album, and this is no different. It's like they lost their b-boy intensity, and replaced it with joints with Gil Scott Heron, and Jaguar. Now I won't say that's totally wack, but in my opinion Gift Of Gab does not have a well enough defined rep as a lyricist yet to take the backseat to other performers-and ultimately get OUTSHINED!!! Can any verse of Gift's fuck with the shit Saul Williams dropped on Release, hell no. But anyway, I'm on a tangent, it's just a bit dissapointing, that everytime an artist gets with the Roots crew their sound is normally sacrificed, if you don't beleive me, just experience the softer side of Common on LWFC-which had to grow on me cause it just sounded like The Roots featuring the artist formally known as Com Sense.

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34. "blah blah blah"
In response to Reply # 31


          

dude. whatever rash wants to do is rash's idea.
we had this debate before////i aint about to argue again.
so tired of so called purists calling the game like they holding the holy grail manual
("thou shall always be rock hard 24-7!)

--i dunno...i'm listening to can i borrow right now.

aside from sounding quite drunk, this aint no straight outta compton.

gil scott and jag, dunno there partner what okayartists wrote the rulebook in singing collabs?

"hey x, in order to be down with us thou must embrace fallen 70's vet!!!"
-conversation btween me and x according to a purist.

dude my only connection to this record is one song (one hell of a song at that) and an introduction to x's new life partner in engineering, russ elevado. i didn't even know them in the nia period and they were doing stuff on this level (mad singsongy shits, poems, etc) so for you to assume they came down the assembly line of ?uest and came out soft sounds

tired to me.




the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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35. "maybe the arguement is lost on me....."
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first of all i don't see any of the similarities people are mentioning. second artists grow, and their sounds change (from the laid back jazzy DYWM to the electronicaish tao....)

but if a group or artist wants to work with the soulQ's or ?uest isn't it because he likes their sound and wants to incorporate it into their own art?

seems pretty stupid to criticize blackalicious, common, or any-one else for this..... it's the whole point of collaboration.
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36. "Bottom Line...."
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In my opinion the album is weak. Stop bitching Quest just cause muthafuckas don't see eye to eye with you on some ol' music shit. Dude, I never claimed to be a purist, I'm just a fan of the culture and music, and I will make no bones about saying whether I'm feeling some shit or not. As far as I'm concerned Blazing Arrows is weak!

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40. "only if"
In response to Reply # 36


          

you stop bitching first.
your post came before mine...
you can say what's on your mind.
and so can i.
you defend your opinion
i will defend my work.
tit.
tat.


apples?
APPLES?

the official bkyle/?uesto "dancing machine"/michael jackson robot dance rating (aka..why i love ebay)

soul train 73-@@@@@
merv griffin 74-@@@@
the carol burnette show-@@1/2
mike douglas 74-@@@1/2
dinah shore 74-@@@@
the sonny and cher comedy hour 74- @@@1/2
cher! 75-@@@@@
american bandstand 75-@@@1/2
the jackson 5ive live in mexico-@@@@1/2
the jackson weekly variety show 75-@@@
the jackson weekly variety show 76-@@@1/2
the rich little show-@@@
the jacksons live in london 1978-@@ (too busy focusing on audience frenzy instead of mike's robot break)
the triumph tour 1981-@@@@
michael jackson 30th celebration 2001-@@

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
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NICEflutinBOY
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45. "check"
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mate

  

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48. "alright..."
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teddy KGB...

calm down

fuck CT!! I"m in brooklyn now
baby!!?!!

  

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53. "RE: alright..."
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Don't wanna sound stupid, but...

Where have I heard the name Teddy KGB before?

Damn, I smoke too much pot.


I'm stubborn as a thousand born-agains avoiding questions
--Aesop Rock

There hasn't been two rappers who need to go away this badly since the early 90's heyday of Hammer and Vanilla Ice
--OKP Bombastic on Ja Rule and Nelly

This album doesn't just hit the target, it demolishes it.
--URB magazine on Blackalicious' 'Blazing Arrow'

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62. "Rounders"
In response to Reply # 53


  

          

I'm anti-Republican and Democratic
If they self destruct
That's anti-climatic

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70. "you want apples?"
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http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gilby/apples.gif
suck on those!
peace
w/love
dusty
fka daveyg

you may think i'm an idiot, well guess what....I AM

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gilby/homepage.html

i don't want to do this

  

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83. "RE: blah blah blah"
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to be dope or not to be dope that is the question...
if okayplayer hawks it then it is dope..
science at its best...
dickryda? you be the judge...
for the sake of the world everybody...listen to good music.
why?
cuz its good for you!
just like drinking 8 glasses of water a day
and
making meat dead last in yo diet...
fo you wind up dead in yo diet...
just a suggestion...
now....go!!!
be fruitful
multiply
and god bless
everybody!

  

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49. "dayz, you're bugging"
In response to Reply # 31


  

          

first of all, Gab and Chief sold 100,000 copies of "nia", so his rep as a lyricist is well established for those in the know. And As far as saying Quest influenced the album, how so when Xcel did the vast majority (if not all) of th production. it's not like Soulquarians did the boardwork. In fact, I thought Quest only drummed on one joint. What are you talking about?

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back


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32. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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u know i just copped that shit....and to be honest...this album is off the hook.....frum the intro to the last second...its just dope yahmean...
nelsons sound gets love for having that shit like a week and sum early for a fiend like me....

may the boogie be with you...

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37. "Laughing"
In response to Reply # 32


          

Blazing Arrow sounds like a conscience rap album cliche, from the lyrics to the beats, at least it is not as bad as the Jaquar Wright album.







>u know i just copped that
>shit....and to be honest...this album
>is off the hook.....frum the
>intro to the last second...its
>just dope yahmean...
>nelsons sound gets love for having
>that shit like a week
>and sum early for a
>fiend like me....
>
>may the boogie be with you...
>



  

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50. "Stop laughing and start thinking"
In response to Reply # 37


  

          

>Blazing Arrow sounds like a conscience
>rap album cliche

what is a "conscious rap album cliche"? "nation of millions" sounds nothing like "one for all" sounds nothing like "black on both sides" sounds nothing like "train of thought". So, honestly, did you think before you typed that at all?

>, from the
>lyrics to the beats

which conscious rap album has a song running through the entire periodic chart? or anything close? lol.

which lyricist does Gab mirror? Honestly. Where's the lyricist that writes just like Gab who he's biting his style from? Whose production style is Chief Xcel allegedly mirroring? You're absolutely bugging.

To me, you're just thinking of random keys to hit on your keyboard and pressing enter. Where's the critical analysis?

, at
>least it is not as
>bad as the Jaquar Wright
>album.

Two totally different genres of music. Why is Jaguar even in a conversation with Blackalicious? She sings on one track and now their albums get compared? Wtf? Are you comparing "The Blueprint" to her album after Unplugged? LOL.

STFU and NPA.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back


Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

  

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51. "Stop thinking and start laughing"
In response to Reply # 50


          

cause thinking aint helping you none.






>>Blazing Arrow sounds like a conscience
>>rap album cliche
>
>what is a "conscious rap album
>cliche"? "nation of millions" sounds
>nothing like "one for all"
>sounds nothing like "black on
>both sides" sounds nothing like
>"train of thought". So, honestly,
>did you think before you
>typed that at all?
>
>>, from the
>>lyrics to the beats
>
>which conscious rap album has a
>song running through the entire
>periodic chart? or anything close?
>lol.
>
>which lyricist does Gab mirror? Honestly.
>Where's the lyricist that writes
>just like Gab who he's
>biting his style from? Whose
>production style is Chief Xcel
>allegedly mirroring? You're absolutely bugging.
>
>
>To me, you're just thinking of
>random keys to hit on
>your keyboard and pressing enter.
>Where's the critical analysis?
>
>, at
>>least it is not as
>>bad as the Jaquar Wright
>>album.
>
>Two totally different genres of music.
>Why is Jaguar even in
>a conversation with Blackalicious? She
>sings on one track and
>now their albums get compared?
>Wtf? Are you comparing "The
>Blueprint" to her album after
>Unplugged? LOL.
>
>STFU and NPA.
>
>Thoughtfully yours,
>
>Spirit Equality
>
>If you really loved me, you'd
>check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality
>
>For some political rap with biblical
>imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production,
>check out my man Born
>Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a
>nice guy on top of
>all tha

  

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54. "Hey Spirit"
In response to Reply # 51


  

          

He's doing that random typing thing again.


I'm stubborn as a thousand born-agains avoiding questions
--Aesop Rock

There hasn't been two rappers who need to go away this badly since the early 90's heyday of Hammer and Vanilla Ice
--OKP Bombastic on Ja Rule and Nelly

This album doesn't just hit the target, it demolishes it.
--URB magazine on Blackalicious' 'Blazing Arrow'

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millyhank
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60. "RE: Stop laughing and start thinking"
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>which lyricist does Gab mirror? Honestly.
>Where's the lyricist that writes
>just like Gab who he's
>biting his style from?

honestly? Mikah Nine.
Believe me, i love Gift of Gab's body of work, but there have been times when he's swiped Mikah's delivery, at least once on each of their projects.

hankonia, boy.

  

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spirit
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63. "hold that phone"
In response to Reply # 60


  

          

I love Mikah and Gift.

I have listened to them both extensively.

Mikah clearly has had a massive influence on much of the West Coast underground (AND I have a theory about his influence on the East Coast underground as well, but that's another post).

In any case, I have Mikah's solo album, all three Fellowship albums, and I have Gab's two EPs (Melodica and the A to G EP) and his LP (Nia). If you listen to all this material, you can see that Gab stands on his own two feet as a distinct artist.

Further, the original poster stated that the Blackalicious album is a "conscious album cliche". Mikah is not popularly referred to as a "conscious rapper". In fact, quite a few of Mikah's lyrics are by turns quite violent or misogynist (particularly on the 'Temptations' album) and with the exception of songs like 'Five O'Clock Follies' or 'Tolerate', Mikah doesn't really engage in much social commentary (we can debate this at length, believe me). Mikah is primarily an abstract rhymer and a battle rhymer.

That said, I should have qualified my comments to say "What CONSCIOUS rapper is Gab mirroring (to justify stating that "Blazing Arrow" is a conscious album cliche, because to be a cliche, one must be clearly following in well-treaded footsteps)".

Mikah 9, in my opinion, even if he was somehow considered a "conscious rapper", is far from a "cliched conscious rapper".

Perhaps that insult might be levied against someone like dead prez, who more clearly follows the conscious rap tradition than mikah or blackalicious, but I don't think it applies here at all.

Is my point clearer now?

ps: I thank you for the opportunity to expose a few more people to Mikah 9, even inadvertantly.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back


Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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65. "Mikah influenced Gab"
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I forgot to directly admit my opinion on that. Yes, I think Mikah influenced Gab. I would never argue that point.

Much like Rakim and G. Rap influenced Nas.

Clearly, both artists have grown beyond their influences.

In retrospect, Mikah may be considered conscious if only because of his decision to avoid making gangsta records when that was the only thing expected from people with his geographical background (Watts, specifically The Jungles).

When conscious rappers are listed though, Mikah is never mentioned, probably due to his relative lack of solo material. Whether this is an oversight or a justifiable decision is debatable. He does seem to have few songs which could be dubbed "conscious" in nature. 'Five O'Clock Follies' might qualify. My memory is poor, however, and there is probably a track I am forgetting.

ps: Wow. This is the most I've gotten to post about Mikah since I came to okayplayer. LOL.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back


Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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92. "From my knowledge"
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The Jungles aren't in Watts..

But I could be wrong

sorry continue..

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99. "RE: Mikah influenced Gab"
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>In retrospect, Mikah may be considered
>conscious if only because of
>his decision to avoid making
>gangsta records when that was
>the only thing expected from
>people with his geographical background
>(Watts, specifically The Jungles).
>
>When conscious rappers are listed though,
>Mikah is never mentioned, probably
>due to his relative lack
>of solo material. Whether this
>is an oversight or a
>justifiable decision is debatable. He
>does seem to have few
>songs which could be dubbed
>"conscious" in nature. 'Five O'Clock
>Follies' might qualify. My memory
>is poor, however, and there
>is probably a track I
>am forgetting.
>

i think you're being a bit narrow with your "conscious" category. a lot of folks think "conscious" mc's talk about positivity all the time and are usually about revolution and things like that. but consider the term literally, and Mikah's one of the most conscious cats out there, meaning he's conscious of his reality. the reason more cats can relate to Nas than Mos and Kweli is Mos and Kwa usually talk about the uplifting side of things while Nas speaks on upliftment AND tragedy (as well as the projects, Africa, hoes, weed, etc, - but that's another post...)

There aren't too many so-called conscious mc's who've written songs as dense and intense as "Park Bench People", "Seventh Seal" or "Life Or Death".

and he's NOT BORING.


((millyhank in mono, boyee))

  

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69. "gab reminds me"
In response to Reply # 63


          

of prime trugoy.

and that's a beautiful thing.


this is the official ?uesto/little brother endorsement.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
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72. "oh you reachin..now"
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R.I.P

Yall share dat- Badu
N E E KeeP Makin music

From this point, I vow to

  

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89. "trugoy? explain"
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Vocally, I don't see the resemblance.

Lyrically, I also see very little shared ground.

Maybe you hear something I'm missing...

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

2002: The Underground Strikes Back


Peace,

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93. "i guess he was referring to D.A.I.S.Y. AGE"
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the technique is simular,their voical tones resembles also.
I'm not going there with lyrical content,worlds apart.



R.I.P

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105. "RE: i guess he was referring to D.A.I.S.Y. AGE"
In response to Reply # 93


          

tone
pattern
i mean 87-91 tru.
it sneeks in now and then.


this is the official ?uesto/little brother endorsement.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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103. "RE: gab reminds me"
In response to Reply # 69


          

>of prime trugoy.
>
>and that's a beautiful thing.
>
>

Real Beautiful

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

  

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68. "thanks spirit."
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this is the official ?uesto/little brother endorsement.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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39. "it's not the most groundbreaking album in the world"
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but as a hip hop fan that has gotten real sick of boring music and repetitive flows/lyrics, (not to mention boring samples)
Blazing Arrow is refreshing to say the least.

Say what you want about it being wack, but the production is beautiful to me...it's not overdone...it's not off the chain or about to make me jump out the window, but it's the perfect album for a sunday afternoon. sounds like they're growing and i like it.

as for everybody in the camp sounding the same, i don't think folks are listening close enough cuz that's just a dumb statement. if you can't back it up, why put it out there?



.......................................

Love, I find, is like singing. Everybody can do enough to satisfy themselves, though it may not impress the neighbors as being very much. ~Zora

“I think that I am trying to keep myself free, that I am trying to become responsive and responsible to every aspect of my human being...This last concept of my work remains the governing criterion, as I write these thoughts tonight: to be accurate about myself and to force my mind into a constantly expanding apprehension of my political and moral situation.”
~June Jordan, 1977, "thinking about my poetry"

  

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42. "AHAHAHAHA"
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dissing Blackalicious is a sin!









blah

  

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43. "Refreshing"
In response to Reply # 39


          

the album is a conscience rap cliche.



>but as a hip hop fan
>that has gotten real sick
>of boring music and repetitive
>flows/lyrics, (not to mention boring
>samples)
>Blazing Arrow is refreshing to say
>the least.
>
>Say what you want about it
>being wack, but the production
>is beautiful to me...it's not
>overdone...it's not off the chain
>or about to make me
>jump out the window, but
>it's the perfect album for
>a sunday afternoon. sounds like
>they're growing and i like
>it.
>
>as for everybody in the camp
>sounding the same, i don't
>think folks are listening close
>enough cuz that's just a
>dumb statement. if you can't
>back it up, why put
>it out there?
>
>
>
>.......................................
>
>Love, I find, is like singing.
>Everybody can do enough to
>satisfy themselves, though it may
>not impress the neighbors as
>being very much. ~Zora
>
>“I think that I am trying
>to keep myself free, that
>I am trying to become
>responsive and responsible to every
>aspect of my human being...This
>last concept of my work
>remains the governing criterion, as
>I write these thoughts tonight:
>to be accurate about myself
>and to force my mind
>into a constantly expanding apprehension
>of my political and moral
>situation.”
>~June Jordan, 1977, "thinking about my
>poetry"



  

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55. "Didn't you just say that? (n/m)"
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I'm stubborn as a thousand born-agains avoiding questions
--Aesop Rock

There hasn't been two rappers who need to go away this badly since the early 90's heyday of Hammer and Vanilla Ice
--OKP Bombastic on Ja Rule and Nelly

This album doesn't just hit the target, it demolishes it.
--URB magazine on Blackalicious' 'Blazing Arrow'

http://charlesonlymusic.bandcamp.com
http://soundcloud.com/charlesonlymusic
http://theyesyesyalls.com
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41. "I havent heard it yet.."
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But I am curious..I want to try to review it for the paper next week..if I can get ahold of it.

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46. "dunno"
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i dont really think it sounds like an "okayplayer" joint... i dont even know what an "okayplayer" joint sounds like... whatever it is i like it, and itll be on my rotation for quite a while

  

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47. "Yeah i think so..."
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I mean there is some definate talent in the group but the sound is annoying as hell. I couldnt even get thru the mix-tape sampler without a headache. I think the album would kill me. Just sounds like nerds on computer mics rhyming to instrumentals they found. I cant fuck wit it.


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"I wasnt proud of it but I was a child... FUCK IT" --- Jay-Z

"Muthafucka, I pull your face off...
bout to show you what the fuck you look like" --- Kool Keith

oh well

  

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52. "free your mind........"
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"I am an alien from the other world, from outer space, I don't have no land, no estate, no property, no house. Not on this earth. I live in space - I'm only a visitor here. Some people are only here to collect property. I am here with my suitcase to collect only the good brains."-Lee Scratch Perry

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58. "you dont know me..."
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get off my dick.............


Squeamish kids, yall get the eff outta this post (c) Jay-Z

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"I wasnt proud of it but I was a child... FUCK IT" --- Jay-Z

"Muthafucka, I pull your face off...
bout to show you what the fuck you look like" --- Kool Keith

oh well

  

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90. "Again, I'm confused"
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I think I might have asked you this before. In fact, I *know* I have. You have two Kool Kieth quotes in your signature, but on several occasions I've seen you dis rappers who are influenced by the abstract style Kieth pioneered. I just don't see how you could be a Kool Kieth fan and find Blackalicious "unlistenable". Could you maybe be more specific about your criticism of Blackalicious?

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Spirit Equality

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For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

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Quez
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101. "RE: Again, I'm confused"
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>I think I might have asked
>you this before. In fact,
>I *know* I have. You
>have two Kool Kieth quotes
>in your signature, but on
>several occasions I've seen you
>dis rappers who are influenced
>by the abstract style Kieth
>pioneered. I just don't see
>how you could be a
>Kool Kieth fan and find
>Blackalicious "unlistenable". Could you maybe
>be more specific about your
>criticism of Blackalicious?

Here is where you might see my point of view... As I said, Gift is a highly skilled MC I cannot doubt that. I just dont like the output and the overall sound of it although there are some good things going on. Kool Keith I kind of feel the same way about... he is not on my fav MC list, there isnt a Kool Keith album I would put in my fav albums list. When all is said and done, Kool Keith is wack... but again you cant deny his talent. And some of the completely original and obscure (yet brilliant) things he says from time to time interest me enough to sit thru a Kool Keith album and hear it out... (how ever painfull that is).


Squeamish kids, yall get the eff outta this post (c) Jay-Z

AIM Screename: Quez Eastwood

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"Kneel down, I'll make a nigga like you call me Big Earnest" --- Kool Keith

"I wasnt proud of it but I was a child... FUCK IT" --- Jay-Z

"Muthafucka, I pull your face off...
bout to show you what the fuck you look like" --- Kool Keith

oh well

  

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QuestForKnowledge
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59. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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Well I do think most of the Okayplayer records compliment each other (which is more of a good thing) but I wouldn't say they all sound alike.

Now if Black Thought were on EVERY Comm album.. who was on EVERY Roots album, who was on EVERY Dilated album.. who was on EVERY Jazzys album.. and they all had the exact same song content and musical style... they I would agree.

Compare "The Light" to "The Blast".. two tight OKP joints.. but they're nothing alike. "Untitled" to "Worst Comes To Worst" even more different. "The Way" to "Dynamite!" ...I think you get the point.

I think the OKP sound is more of a musical, and personal maturity that usually isnt appreciated by most purist Hip Hop cats.

(Excuse me if I just repeated everyting some of you already said).

Regarding Blackalicious.. I'm sure the album is tight.. but I have a feeling its gonna be way different than that BBoy-Premo-Gangstarresque-East Coast Hip Hop. That's not always a bad thing though.

What keeps this genre alive is the fact that MCs can't take the music in a new (and totally different) direction. Even a direction that people may not initially feel.

I'm gonna cop "Blazing Arrow" 1) cause I like "Make you feel that way". It's different than most joints I've heard before, but I still feel it. 2) Because I've decided to support Hip Hop this year by buying all the "real" joints that come out...even if they aren't classic.


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64. "well said playa"
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people need to just take a chance if they like..and decide for themselves...

and to all the posters that come with

"consciencous rap cliche"
to
"okayplayer camp'ish' "

need to explain or have some kind of backup...cause those arguments are holding no weight..

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66. "I swear"
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I heard Mikah 9 on this album.


>people need to just take a
>chance if they like..and decide
>for themselves...
>
>and to all the posters that
>come with
>
>"consciencous rap cliche"
>to
>"okayplayer camp'ish' "
>
>need to explain or have some
>kind of backup...cause those arguments
>are holding no weight..


Quest has a fro, Blackwell has a fad

How Quest gone pick that shit and
pound?

  

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67. "exhibit A"
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much love,
Kyle

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91. "Honestly"
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Could you even name five songs by Mikah 9? Better yet name the ones that are vocally similar to Blackalicious songs?

It looks like you just said that because someone else did earlier in the thread.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit Equality

If you really loved me, you'd check out http://www.mp3.com/spirit_equality

For some political rap with biblical imagery and Middle Eastern-influenced production, check out my man Born Infinite at http://www.199records.com/artists.htm (he's a nice guy on top of all that...AND THE MISCELLANEOUS FLUX ALBUM IS ON SALE NOW AT http://www.cdbaby.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you believe in avant garde music with soul, peep out Miscellaneous Flux at http://www.miscflux.com

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Peace,

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104. "RE: well said playa"
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>people need to just take a
>chance if they like..and decide
>for themselves...
>
>and to all the posters that
>come with
>
>"consciencous rap cliche"
>to
>"okayplayer camp'ish' "
>
>need to explain or have some
>kind of backup...cause those arguments
>are holding no weight..

that's bullshit. entire bullshit.

what if i take a chance with an album, and decide for myself that it's not fresh? if it's an okayrelease, then i need go to extra lengths to back up why i think it's not good? who are you, the walking hip-hop atlas or something?

elitism is for suckers.

what if dude who made the original post freed his mind already?
did you think of that?

there's two kinds of hip-hop. good and bad.

if it's good, you head will nod, body will move, mind will be stimulated, etc.
if it's bad, you'll turn that shit off.
it should be that simple.

anyway..........
hankonia

  

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71. "my views on this album"
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Im glad I didnt listen to it via audiogalaxy because if I did I wouldnt have purchased it based upon my first listen. I've come to the conclusion with the release of this lp that okayplayers will hype an lp like its the greatest thing ever if it is promoted via this website. (scared to say when shit is wack out of fear of being called a hater imagine that). Everyone who heard this album beforehand swore it held candidacy for the best hip-hop album of the year etc.

the songs I liked

nowhere fast - I paid 7.99 for this at Best Buy, this song alone is worth about 4 or 5 dollars, thats what soulful hip-hop is about, glad to see the aoulquarians still have it (jokes)

chemical calisthenics- you cant help but like this song based upon the sheer creativity

passion- this song has the energy most of the rest of the lp lacks

release parts 1 and 2 - just something you have to experience on your own

thats 4 tracks out of 17, I feel while Gab's flow is extraordinary time after time, there is little life in the rest of these tracks.

Im about to run errands in a few I'll take this cd with me again and digest it a 2nd time. Duck Season impressed me a lot based on 1 listen yesterday. Creativity doesnt always equal good music, if Kobe comes up the court dribbling with the illest technique but cant execute what good is he?

the last outstanding okayplayer album was expansion team

  

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74. "I know one thing"
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On passion they switch the drum sounds behind Rakka vocals and he sounded better it made his vocals stand out more.
I haven't copped Expansion Team yet.



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117. "RE: I know one thing"
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>I haven't copped Expansion Team yet.

don't bother. usually i agree with atruhead on most shit, but i gotta say i really wasn't feeling it too much. some of their beats are really dope, but i just can't really get with the mc's. if you like them though then you'd prob like expansion team...
as for balzing arrow, i haven't heard it yet. but i wasn't really feeling nia all that much anyway. as someone else just said, creativity alone doesn't always deliver...





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77. "blazing arrows take 2 ACTION"
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after listening to it again I feel exactly the same. gift of gab's flow is the obvious star of the show. nowhere fast is the gem of the album, chemical calisthenics still gets points for creativity, passion and release parts 1 and 2 are still cool.

but besides that I cant f with this album. if I wanted to hear sweetback's attempt at hip-hop thats what I would buy.

this album lacks everything that hip-hop is supposed to be comprised of: edge, grit, maybe a curse or 2, rebellion just to name a few elements.

i could play this album while helping set up a family barbecue and get 0 objection from 30-50 year old relatives.

its way too friendly. if i needed the dough bad enough i would head back to best buy with my receipt or at least get some store credit

  

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80. "?"
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[]did you have this reaction to Nia as well?


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88. "RE: ?"
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nia isnt too bad, if I had to I would bang the fabulous ones for an hour straight, that song is my idea of hip-hop. if that has an edge level of maybe 8/10 the songs on blazing arrow are shooting towards 2s and 3s

  

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94. "2 & 3?!?"
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[]i admit it does lack that "grit" somewhat but come on a 2?

the intro has loads of "grit", actually i wish they would have extended that

but i think they mixed down Gab's voice or something b/c it doesnt stick out to me as much as it did on NIA

oh well it was definitley worth my $8 and that's pretty much all that matters

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95. "feel that way"
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would have fit perfectly at the original woodstock if hip-hop was being made then.

im 21 years of age i dont need my hip-hop this peaceful and dull











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100. "RE: feel that way"
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>
>im 21 years of age i
>dont need my hip-hop this
>peaceful and dull
>
>

ouch.

if you werent feeling nia, then i dont understand why you bought this album.

if you've been a fan of blackalicious through melodica to a2g to nia to all the shit they've putting down on solesides and quannum, then it the 'peaceful' vibe of this album would not have been a shock to you at all. this album is just an extension of what blackalicious has been doing from day one.

  

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84. "you really don't like it huh"
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i don't know, i understand what you are sayin bout the grit edge and curses...well, no, i guess i don't...without a doubt that is where hip hop came from, but now it's reached people who might not have the grittiest stuff to rap about, and they aren't gonna rap about something that isn't real to them...i dont' know, i think there can be happy hip hop as well, it might be a west coast thing, but i dig the fresh pleasant sound every once in awhile. don't take this as me not sayin that you can't dislike "blazing arrow" cuz i mean, clearly you do dislike it, but i just think your last point about why you don't might be a lil off base
peace
w/love
dusty
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you may think i'm an idiot, well guess what....I AM

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gilby/homepage.html

i don't want to do this

  

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107. "RE: blazing arrows take 2 ACTION"
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>this album lacks everything that hip-hop
>is supposed to be comprised
>of: edge, grit, maybe a
>curse or 2, rebellion just
>to name a few elements.


j cmon now.
isn't that a lil narrow minded?

this is the official ?uesto/little brother endorsement.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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110. "this album"
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is perhaps taking things in a new direction. I liked what I heard from saul's amethyst rock star lp, thats showing experimentation yet with grit.

i accept blackalicious for the artists that they are but very little of this album gets me open or excites me and thats what I look for in hip-hop. maybe thats not what they look to accomplish with their music

but im no one to label what hip-hop should sound like, blazing arrow just isnt what I was raised on though.

gift of gab's flow cant be denied though, i think i could like this album more if I stopped paying so much attention to the fact that I find most of the music backing the lyrics to be dull and repetitive.

nia - @@@@
blazing arrow - @@@ 1/2

  

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106. "...now jerome....yeeeeeeeas (c) morris"
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true.
do this.
listen to "feel that way".
loud.
in a good ass pair of cd headphones.
real loud and clear.
close your eyes.
listen to that horn.
feel it.
listen to what he says.
man that shit is too beautiful to deny.

for real.
uninterrupted. peep it twice in a row.





this is the official ?uesto/little brother endorsement.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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113. "ahhahahahahahahaaaa"
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Expansion team!!!!!!!
Outstanding!?!?!!?
Oh my god.

The 4 songs on Blazing are better than the 2 on Expansion.


________________________________________
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FROM THE GROUND UP- ROOTS 2nd CD- BUY NOW: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000073F6/qid=989953006/sr=1-1/202-6163542-0903066


MY LATEST RAP ALIASES- mcbadfeet aka: the mayor goldie wilson of rap, aka big chris the juicebox, aka jesus jones retired messiah, aka the black jamie lawson of rap, aka thurgood killabitch the IV, aka brooklyn jackson from queens, aka homer pimpson, aka alex p. cheatin, aka benny ill, aka stank sinatra, aka michael j. rocks

The "damn truth" quote of the month (1st Inaugural!):
As a foreigner, I always said that there is no way I would ever raise a kid here. Abismal educadional system, no free health care, guns and the ridiculous amounts of racism and homophobia. This country is a place to come when you know who you are and the direction you are heading in. It is no place for impressionable infants...

  

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116. "i like"
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live on stage
worst come to worst is ok
the liks collab is great to me
proper propaganda is heat
panic i like (when babu scratches the singing "evidence...evidence" that makes the song for me)
pay attention is also sick
but really i like the whole expansion team album.

rakaa puts feeling into what he spits

  

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118. "but evidence is trash...and he spits half the time."
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Yeah...not completely trash...but he aint fuckin with gab....and rakka aint either.

I don't know how you don't like Feel that way.
But regardless...this album is in line with what Blackalicious has been doing. They have been musical (outside of the traditional hip hop paradigm) and experimental since A2G (i haven't heard Melodica).

Still if you don't like...I can see why, it aint for everybody.
Especially if you really do think that Expansion Team is an example of an Outstanding album...rap or otherwise.

________________________________________
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MY LATEST RAP ALIASES- mcbadfeet aka: the mayor goldie wilson of rap, aka big chris the juicebox, aka jesus jones retired messiah, aka the black jamie lawson of rap, aka thurgood killabitch the IV, aka brooklyn jackson from queens, aka homer pimpson, aka alex p. cheatin, aka benny ill, aka stank sinatra, aka michael j. rocks

The "damn truth" quote of the month (1st Inaugural!):
As a foreigner, I always said that there is no way I would ever raise a kid here. Abismal educadional system, no free health care, guns and the ridiculous amounts of racism and homophobia. This country is a place to come when you know who you are and the direction you are heading in. It is no place for impressionable infants...

  

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atruhead
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119. "ev is cool"
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he gets to the point of what he has to say even though it doesnt seem like a lot of thought goes into his shit. i'm a beat head anyway, so we can agree to disagree on dilated.





from then to now
1999 - "Im only 19 but my mind is older" Prodigy
2000 - "Black prodigy since the age of 20" - Sadat X
2001 - "From cities where making 21 is a big accomplishment" - Talib Kweli
2002- "Its been 22 long hard years and still struggling" - Inspektah Deck

  

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73. "Blazing Arrows is far from whack!"
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R.I.P

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75. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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The cd is refreshing. I don't think every song on there is good, but there are alot of great tracks. Gab is a bad emcee w/ styles unlike any other.
This was a great pickup for $7.99, would have been just as great for $18.99


Word?
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85. "Wherehouse exclusiv 2 disc set..bonus trax, video $9.99"
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"Just cuz we hate your punk ass that don't make you no player!"--Freddie Foxxx

"There are two types of people who oppose pornography -- people who don't know what they're talking about and those who don't know what they're missing."--Larry Flynt

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76. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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i'm glad somebody has the balls to express a dissonanat opinion once in a while. ppl seem mad quick to condemn somebody for not jumping on the bandwagon. everybody's entitled to their opinion...as much as the "conscious" hip-hop head in me would like to dog somebody for listening to DMX or something, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I like EVERYTHING that Common, Dilated, or another OKP puts out. Some stuff is just plain corny and people have the right to that opinion.

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I ain't the toughest motherfucker in the world. I ain't Mr. Superman. Not trying to be Mr. Tough Guy. Don't want to be. Tell you one thing, though: I'm one of the smartest motherfuckers in the world. You've been talking to a fuckin' genius.
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Xenophobia
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78. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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shit sounds like a white boy rapping over instrumentals.


>i'm glad somebody has the balls
>to express a dissonanat opinion
>once in a while.
>ppl seem mad quick to
>condemn somebody for not jumping
>on the bandwagon. everybody's
>entitled to their opinion...as much
>as the "conscious" hip-hop head
>in me would like to
>dog somebody for listening to
>DMX or something, I'm not
>gonna sit here and pretend
>I like EVERYTHING that Common,
>Dilated, or another OKP puts
>out. Some stuff is
>just plain corny and people
>have the right to that
>opinion.


Rap sucks!

  

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86. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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>shit sounds like a white boy
>rapping over instrumentals.

haha
don't take this as me agreeing with you, nor as me making fun of your statement, i just think it's funny
peace
w/love
dusty
fka daveyg

you may think i'm an idiot, well guess what....I AM

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gilby/homepage.html

i don't want to do this

  

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82. "RE: Blazing Arrows, kinda whack?"
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No Doubt, everyone's a right to their opinion. It's just puzzling why someone who doesn't like shit the OkayPlayer camp dodes would take the time to come onto this website at all.


Sort of makes you look sad, doesn't it?

  

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87. "only thing i dislike"
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is anymore, if you don't come with that dissonant opinion you are automatically accused of being a dickrider and just eatin up all the shit okayplayer puts out....and ya know, for the most, MOST part, i do eat up the shit that is put up by okayplayer, but thing is, i would reguardless, the way i see it as, they put a bunch of quality music in one easily accessable place so i can stay up on these artists. i'm picky bout food, but i'm not that picky bout music. i know how to talk about what i like/don't like in art, i don't really know how to do that with music. music isn't my background, but if i hear something, and i like, or sometimes even just remember that beat, i'm gonna want that with me...i don't know how to explain it, but like the kids from apple jacks, I LISTEN TO WHAT I LIKE!
peace
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fka daveyg

you may think i'm an idiot, well guess what....I AM

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gilby/homepage.html

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79. "up"
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sig

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chasing my man until 5/6/02 is over...

  

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97. "question -"
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what the fuck happened to 'purest love'???!??

on the advanced copy, it was my favorite .. super-melodic and just complete beauty. now, its been stripped down and is quite bland. did they have to change it due to sample issues? and if so, what is the sample .. ?

+ ZERØ
- monkeybarsj5
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109. "Purest Love"
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the beat on the released cd reminds me of an E-40 instrumental.
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112. "RE: Purest Love"
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people need to face it. The album is ass.

  

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114. "thats funny."
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________________________________________
-representin the real since tuesday
-illified illustrated.word.fresh.

FROM THE GROUND UP- ROOTS 2nd CD- BUY NOW: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000073F6/qid=989953006/sr=1-1/202-6163542-0903066


MY LATEST RAP ALIASES- mcbadfeet aka: the mayor goldie wilson of rap, aka big chris the juicebox, aka jesus jones retired messiah, aka the black jamie lawson of rap, aka thurgood killabitch the IV, aka brooklyn jackson from queens, aka homer pimpson, aka alex p. cheatin, aka benny ill, aka stank sinatra, aka michael j. rocks

The "damn truth" quote of the month (1st Inaugural!):
As a foreigner, I always said that there is no way I would ever raise a kid here. Abismal educadional system, no free health care, guns and the ridiculous amounts of racism and homophobia. This country is a place to come when you know who you are and the direction you are heading in. It is no place for impressionable infants...

  

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115. "ooops...."
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I mean that for real.
Not sayin that you are wrong (even though I dig the album)
But gettin to the end of this long ass post and having you sum that shit uo with "this is ass"...is cracking me up...

peace.
________________________________________
-representin the real since tuesday
-illified illustrated.word.fresh.

FROM THE GROUND UP- ROOTS 2nd CD- BUY NOW: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000073F6/qid=989953006/sr=1-1/202-6163542-0903066


MY LATEST RAP ALIASES- mcbadfeet aka: the mayor goldie wilson of rap, aka big chris the juicebox, aka jesus jones retired messiah, aka the black jamie lawson of rap, aka thurgood killabitch the IV, aka brooklyn jackson from queens, aka homer pimpson, aka alex p. cheatin, aka benny ill, aka stank sinatra, aka michael j. rocks

The "damn truth" quote of the month (1st Inaugural!):
As a foreigner, I always said that there is no way I would ever raise a kid here. Abismal educadional system, no free health care, guns and the ridiculous amounts of racism and homophobia. This country is a place to come when you know who you are and the direction you are heading in. It is no place for impressionable infants...

  

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