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"anti-baby machine"


          

okay let me get this straight.....when u fall in love with someone and decide that u want to spend the rest of ur life with them......all the good/bad times, sickness/health, richer/poorer, life/death do u part times, spooning, vacationing, holidays, commute to work, friendship.....besides the companionship factor....what the fuck is wrong with having a baby, starting a family and raising kids?....now i do understand the career thing on both sides (men & women)....wanting to live a fulfilled life before u bring another human being into this world....but um, if two folks get hitched ....besides the companionship and life partnership.....what the hell is wrong with having a baby or 4? and why all of a sudden are young upwardly mobile black women against giving birth? and/or adopting some disenfranchised kids?...like seriously? u got some kind of success and u just wanna keep it to yourself? if u dont like kids fine, understood, but otherwise what's the fuss (c) stevie?... my mother worked her whole life making lots of dough birthed 4 great children and still got her career on and still had a great marriage and life with my father....im trying to understand why having babies is all of sudden "not the move"?

***this post was inspired by the angelina/black baby post.

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nothing's wrong with it
Feb 06th 2006
1
the state of the world
Feb 06th 2006
2
my ex used to say that he wasnt bringing babies into this f'ed up
Feb 06th 2006
7
that's beautiful.
Feb 06th 2006
32
I agree with this wholeheatedly...
Feb 06th 2006
the world's always been fucked up though
Feb 06th 2006
15
      its not getting better
Feb 06th 2006
37
Everybody don't want babies
Feb 06th 2006
3
Seems simple enough to me.
Feb 06th 2006
5
I don't see why its so hard to understand.
Feb 06th 2006
13
This is essentially where the convo should begin and end.
Feb 06th 2006
17
everybody shouldnt have babies.....that's why there are so
Feb 06th 2006
18
      this is all so radical & silly.
Feb 06th 2006
59
           yes they should
Feb 06th 2006
69
                LMAO.
Feb 06th 2006
76
                     :-/
Feb 06th 2006
93
understood, but SOME of the not wanters are being misled
Feb 06th 2006
14
      that's YOUR opinion
Feb 06th 2006
19
           didnt i say that in my post? i agree if u dont like kids u shouldnt
Feb 06th 2006
22
           you mean, have them, right?
Feb 06th 2006
151
           It's funny how people say they don't like kids
Feb 06th 2006
198
they cost too much
Feb 06th 2006
4
ya know
Feb 06th 2006
there's nothing wrong w/not wanting and/or not having kids.
Feb 06th 2006
6
I think you're exaggerating a little bit
Feb 06th 2006
8
the end.
Feb 06th 2006
16
i understand people dont want them...what i dont understand
Feb 06th 2006
25
      RE: i understand people dont want them...what i dont understand
Feb 06th 2006
31
      okp boards=general consensus?
Feb 06th 2006
60
      I don't even think it was a general consensus in that post
Feb 06th 2006
66
           That would be b/c it wasn't.
Feb 06th 2006
72
      What in the blue hell?
Feb 06th 2006
71
so yeah...
Feb 06th 2006
9
WIC
Feb 06th 2006
26
      WOWIE WOW WOW!
Feb 06th 2006
35
      squawk!
Feb 06th 2006
      so if i can't afford them, i should still have them?
Feb 06th 2006
79
      You didn't know?
Feb 06th 2006
81
      wic, its whats for dinner
Feb 06th 2006
115
      this some backwards shit.
Feb 06th 2006
146
           this some joke missing shit
Feb 06th 2006
149
                i'm glad you're joking
Feb 06th 2006
158
      evidently there is no shame left in the game...
Feb 08th 2006
254
      the fvck?
Feb 08th 2006
253
some ppl don't like kids, & would make terrible parents as a result.
Feb 06th 2006
10
RE: some ppl don't like kids, & would make terrible parents as a result.
Feb 06th 2006
you got all up in that colon too, huh???
Feb 06th 2006
24
      lining those walls is a life changing experience.
Feb 06th 2006
53
           i found all sorts of children up in the colon
Feb 06th 2006
57
           i found all sorts of children up in the colon
Feb 06th 2006
58
                i saw many children too!
Feb 06th 2006
90
                     kids of all ages and races like getting in a piece of colon.
Feb 06th 2006
98
tutelage (Zoo luh the kids... but can't afford em right now)
Feb 06th 2006
11
There's this dude in my neighborhood who every time he sees
Feb 06th 2006
12
self absorbed fuckers n/m
Feb 06th 2006
20
it all boils down to selfishness for the most part
Feb 06th 2006
28
      i don't even see why the reason they don't want kids matters.
Feb 06th 2006
40
      RE: i don't even see why the reason they don't want kids matters.
Feb 06th 2006
45
      basically
Feb 06th 2006
48
      if u dont want kids cuz u dont like them, fine
Feb 06th 2006
65
           RE: if u dont want kids cuz u dont like them, fine
Feb 06th 2006
83
                RE: if u dont want kids cuz u dont like them, fine
Feb 06th 2006
119
      How you gonna go from "I understand" to "it's selfishness"?
Feb 06th 2006
51
      ROFL.
Feb 06th 2006
54
      It's more selfish to have kids when you can't provide for them
Feb 06th 2006
52
           ^^^egzzactly
Feb 07th 2006
242
           please tell me it didn't take 200 replies to get here? END of post
Feb 07th 2006
243
I can't lie
Feb 06th 2006
21
RE: I can't lie
Feb 06th 2006
34
the earth can realistically sustain only about a billion humans
Feb 06th 2006
171
      thats what death is for
Feb 06th 2006
174
no one is required to have children.
Feb 06th 2006
23
Yes they are. Were you not cc'd on the memo?
Feb 06th 2006
27
all my babies are drunks.
Feb 06th 2006
29
      Welp... better drunk, unwanted babies than no babies. Hop to it.
Feb 06th 2006
30
           who said they was UNWANTED?!
Feb 06th 2006
33
where did i say requirement?
Feb 06th 2006
38
oh. i know you didn't.
Feb 06th 2006
44
you did say ppl who don't want kids are selfish.
Feb 06th 2006
49
ask me how many 40 year old women i know who put babies
Feb 06th 2006
56
      i'll find just as many w/kids who wish they didn't have them.
Feb 06th 2006
61
      40 isn't too late to adopt
Feb 06th 2006
63
      having a baby in an attempt to keep a mate = selfish.
Feb 06th 2006
67
           who are you telling?
Feb 06th 2006
88
           this 1 isn't about that but was inspired by it.
Feb 06th 2006
92
           not in order to keep....i dont support stupidity in relationships
Feb 06th 2006
130
           stringing a mate along who wants a baby for 7 years= selfish/insane
Feb 06th 2006
94
                having a baby just b/c your mate wants you to = stupid and insane.
Feb 06th 2006
99
                let the person GO. waffle on the idea
Feb 06th 2006
108
                strung along?
Feb 06th 2006
100
                yeah he made a choice angelina
Feb 06th 2006
106
                Honestly...
Feb 06th 2006
101
                true, cause for someone repeatedly stated she wanted kids
Feb 06th 2006
109
                     And based on that, we know what happened?
Feb 06th 2006
110
                          truly.
Feb 06th 2006
116
                          Brad said in an interview that they'd tried to get pregnant
Feb 06th 2006
121
                               frankly brad should have kept his mouth shut
Feb 06th 2006
123
                          are you really trying to reason with a bored person?
Feb 06th 2006
120
                               We have consensus.
Feb 06th 2006
122
                                    *watchs argument peter out* | ahhh SHADDAP!
Feb 06th 2006
127
                what a vicious, calculating whore jennifer aniston is!
Feb 06th 2006
105
                     you should do something about them exclamation points
Feb 06th 2006
114
                          i can't help it!!
Feb 06th 2006
129
                               don't you pull a soulpsychodelicyde on me!
Feb 06th 2006
134
      putting babies on hold is not the same as not wanting them
Feb 06th 2006
70
      please stop posing FICTION as FACT
Feb 08th 2006
255
you did say ppl who don't want kids are selfish.
Feb 06th 2006
50
ppl who don't have children = selfish.
Feb 06th 2006
42
my babies got rum in they bottles.
Feb 06th 2006
47
      do u support gay adoption?
Feb 06th 2006
74
           "gay" parents are legendary.
Feb 06th 2006
86
ppl who don't have children = selfish.
Feb 06th 2006
43
the bitch can afford 24/7 child care
Feb 06th 2006
36
24/7/life
Feb 06th 2006
39
cause kids are SCARY!
Feb 06th 2006
41
sometimes medical conditions are a factor
Feb 06th 2006
46
brad said that he wanted to adopt....they didn't do ti
Feb 06th 2006
75
the Brock excuse
Feb 06th 2006
55
what's wrong with not wanting them?
Feb 06th 2006
62
CAN'T YOU READ??? ITS SELFISH!
Feb 06th 2006
64
so is getting head and not reciprocating
Feb 06th 2006
68
WTF? and STOPPING SCREAMING AT ME.
Feb 06th 2006
77
      :)
Feb 06th 2006
84
      I think she just joking with you sis.
Feb 06th 2006
85
           tara had my bottom lip poked out. lol
Feb 06th 2006
95
nothing, i never said something was wrong w/not wanting them
Feb 06th 2006
80
      i'm confused.
Feb 06th 2006
82
      so is she.
Feb 06th 2006
89
           lol.
Feb 06th 2006
107
           lol ...word. n/m
Feb 08th 2006
256
      you said it was selfish fire. what are you smokin today?
Feb 06th 2006
111
           in some cases it's selfishness in others its brainwashing
Feb 06th 2006
142
Hmmm.... I don't think all couples should have kids....
Feb 06th 2006
73
thank you.
Feb 06th 2006
78
this reply is so perfect
Feb 06th 2006
87
.
Feb 06th 2006
139
*************************APPLAUSE****************************
Feb 08th 2006
257
It's equally selfish to have kids as it is to not have kids.
Feb 06th 2006
91
It is not a new
Feb 06th 2006
96
HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU HAVE?
Feb 06th 2006
97
fire, where yo tribe of kids at nigga??
Feb 06th 2006
102
STOP IT NAH! | ya'll making my ovaries
Feb 06th 2006
103
the duality of contemplating children is maddening
Feb 06th 2006
104
technically...youre physically able to have babies once u start
Feb 06th 2006
113
      true
Feb 06th 2006
124
i got one and that's enough.
Feb 06th 2006
112
i'm seeing the opposite
Feb 06th 2006
117
HOW OLD ARE YOU?
Feb 06th 2006
118
how long you been quoting me without giving credit?
Feb 06th 2006
126
THIS STEMMED FROM LUSTING OVER THE CRACKER ACTOR
Feb 06th 2006
125
Girl, I fucked around and MISSED this whole post.
Feb 06th 2006
128
BEFORE you even get involved
Feb 06th 2006
132
      im sayin. let 'em know what you want from the get go.
Feb 06th 2006
147
*ahem*
Feb 06th 2006
131
no one said all that
Feb 06th 2006
136
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 06th 2006
143
While I hear you.
Feb 06th 2006
148
this exactly what bothers me
Feb 06th 2006
152
Like, if I'm so selfish, why would you be encouraging me to have kids?
Feb 06th 2006
155
      ^^ crazy justification.
Feb 06th 2006
159
      ^^ crazy justification.
Feb 06th 2006
160
      ^^ crazy justification.
Feb 06th 2006
161
      i wasnt calling *you* selfish...i was calling others selfish
Feb 06th 2006
163
      Others like who? Married women who opt not to have children?
Feb 06th 2006
170
           RE: Others like who? Married women who opt not to have children?
Feb 06th 2006
179
                oh, okay.
Feb 06th 2006
186
                Oh, Fire.
Feb 06th 2006
188
                this is so completely absurd & disturbing.
Feb 06th 2006
197
      ^^ crazy justification.
Feb 06th 2006
164
      ^^ crazy justification.
Feb 06th 2006
165
           u be quiet!
Feb 06th 2006
166
fair enough
Feb 06th 2006
162
i see you.
Feb 06th 2006
153
why i gotta hate anybody though?
Feb 06th 2006
168
      i didn't say you hate ppl w/o kids
Feb 06th 2006
      NOTHING!
Feb 06th 2006
178
           if you say so.
Feb 06th 2006
           darling i was 30 when i gave birth!!!!
Feb 06th 2006
185
                that's why i was asking.
Feb 06th 2006
189
                I think 30 is the perfect age to have kids
Feb 06th 2006
213
                     yup, I TOTALLY agree.
Feb 07th 2006
252
           if you say so.
Feb 06th 2006
180
      i didn't say you hate ppl w/o kids
Feb 06th 2006
173
i see you.
Feb 06th 2006
154
      fire loves the kids (c) me via trick daddy
Feb 06th 2006
167
i cant wait to start a family
Feb 06th 2006
133
you're supposed to be preggers now then
Feb 06th 2006
144
      wtf???
Feb 06th 2006
145
           most of yall missed my point
Feb 06th 2006
150
           i replied to the wrong poster,my bad hypnotic
Feb 06th 2006
156
                huh i just want one i also want a tudor mansion
Feb 06th 2006
157
                WTF???
Feb 06th 2006
181
                     no. im not mad at anyone.
Feb 07th 2006
250
I want them.... just not today.
Feb 06th 2006
135
LE SIGH.
Feb 06th 2006
137
^^Le Faible
Mar 19th 2006
266
There is no culture in the world that I'm aware of
Feb 06th 2006
138
^^^they aren't hearing you. n/m
Feb 08th 2006
258
fuck having kids...
Feb 06th 2006
140
Go to surburbia....
Feb 06th 2006
141
most of my immediate family lives in & has always lived in suburbia
Feb 06th 2006
169
      "Compromise" and "have children" should NEVER be uttered in the same sen...
Feb 06th 2006
172
      true that
Feb 06th 2006
177
      T, I'm just floored.
Feb 06th 2006
183
           fire is SO ANTI-DOING SHIT JUST TO KEEP A MAN
Feb 06th 2006
192
                that's different
Feb 06th 2006
194
                     THANK YOU!
Feb 06th 2006
195
                          in 183 u alluded to that being what this post was about
Feb 06th 2006
201
                               Fire, you're backpeddling.
Feb 06th 2006
204
                                    okay well lets erase every reply & start over:
Feb 06th 2006
206
                                         LOL @ forget what I said.
Feb 06th 2006
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                                              RE: LOL @ forget what I said.
Feb 07th 2006
239
                                                   Fire, Fire, Fire.
Feb 07th 2006
246
      there is always compromise in child rearing
Feb 06th 2006
184
           Compromising in child rearing
Feb 06th 2006
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                EXACTLY. wtf?
Feb 06th 2006
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                Like is it ME?!?!?!?!?
Feb 06th 2006
191
                RE: Compromising in child rearing
Feb 06th 2006
193
                     no that is not
Feb 06th 2006
196
                          how many wonderful people do u know that are here
Feb 06th 2006
203
                               That doesn't really have anything to do with what we're discussing thoug...
Feb 06th 2006
207
      i look down on ppl that have children just to keep their spouses happy
Feb 06th 2006
200
It's just part of being America
Feb 06th 2006
175
i want babies so badly
Feb 06th 2006
176
it's not the move if u say it's not the move...
Feb 06th 2006
182
they dont hear u though
Feb 06th 2006
205
      i don't know if that's altogher true...
Feb 06th 2006
230
Kids are so annoying, though.
Feb 06th 2006
199
*aborts post w/the RU-487 post pill*
Feb 06th 2006
202
Feb 06th 2006
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      cuz i HATE being misconstrued
Feb 06th 2006
210
           but you DID attack them
Feb 06th 2006
211
           I don't think you're being very reasonable here
Feb 06th 2006
212
           dont be whoring in my post!
Feb 07th 2006
240
           attacks
Feb 06th 2006
214
           RE: attacks
Feb 07th 2006
241
           yeah. welcome to my world.
Feb 06th 2006
215
           girl, i've been fighting these folks for over 6 years, i gives a fuck
Feb 07th 2006
245
           youre doing a nika
Feb 06th 2006
216
           *places coat over Fire's head and runs her past the paparazzi*
Feb 06th 2006
217
           Fire, you words aren't being misconstrued. You did attack.
Feb 06th 2006
218
           yeah...i don't---*smh* nevermind.
Feb 06th 2006
219
           Soulpsychedelicide your words are attacking!
Feb 07th 2006
247
                O.
Feb 07th 2006
249
          
Feb 08th 2006
259
not everyone should be a parent
Feb 06th 2006
220
I think motherfuckers should have to apply for kids like its a mortgage.
Feb 06th 2006
221
i.e. China?
Feb 08th 2006
260
i want a grip of kids
Feb 06th 2006
222
I'm too late to this post, but can I just say that iont get the
Feb 06th 2006
223
why do ppl want kids?
Feb 06th 2006
224
      I still dont get it.
Feb 06th 2006
225
           i know its hard work
Feb 06th 2006
238
Folks is selfish, plain and simple....
Feb 06th 2006
226
OMG! This shit is contagious.
Feb 06th 2006
227
wow! I thought u were smarter than this
Feb 06th 2006
229
It's an epidemic!
Feb 06th 2006
.
Feb 06th 2006
231
Let me clarify....
Feb 06th 2006
233
      i respect your right to your opinion
Feb 06th 2006
234
      OK......
Feb 06th 2006
235
           RE: OK......
Feb 06th 2006
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      as long as they're taking care of themselves ...
Feb 08th 2006
262
^^^^I've been more disgusted by the parents in this post!
Feb 08th 2006
261
a lot of people claim they do not want to have children
Feb 06th 2006
228
a pet rock has a higher IQ than this post
Feb 06th 2006
232
ahhh shaddup!
Feb 07th 2006
248
its not that they dont want them.
Feb 06th 2006
237
:-)
Feb 07th 2006
244
KOKU said it best...
Feb 07th 2006
251
but according to ur past statements...
Feb 08th 2006
263
      i ain't flinched. n/m
Feb 08th 2006
264
Without children there's no point of couples and marriage.
Mar 18th 2006
265
wow. this post got ressurected.
Mar 19th 2006
267
this shits still around?
Apr 12th 2006
268

atruhead
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1. "nothing's wrong with it"
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just like nothing's wrong with deciding you dont want children

  

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2. "the state of the world"
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makes folks jaded on bringing kids into the world
even the men @ my job with youngins now are worried

i defnitely want to adopt if i have kids at all

  

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7. "my ex used to say that he wasnt bringing babies into this f'ed up"
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world....& i understood where he was coming from...but my belief is that every new baby born is gods way of saying he hasn't given up on the world yet....i also believe that it takes a village & people with a little bit of something in this world have to @ some point give back...there are too many abandoned black kids around here for me to sit back and not try to raise one or two. my hope is that i birth as well as adopt.....i love kids!

  

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32. "that's beautiful."
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>my
>belief is that every new baby born is gods way of saying he
>hasn't given up on the world yet

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"I agree with this wholeheatedly..."


  

          

children are definitely a gift from God and with each child created we have a chance to get it right. Unfortunately, we have some f***ed up individuals bringing children into this world and doing harm to their tiny, fragile spirits. To me, the children aren't the issue, it's the environment that we bring them into. That's what we have to change.

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woman doing what a woman
does when she's natural
i would have a revolution
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15. "the world's always been fucked up though"
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37. "its not getting better"
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3. "Everybody don't want babies"
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5. "Seems simple enough to me."
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13. "I don't see why its so hard to understand."
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Everybody don't want babies.

Everybody don't need babies.

The ones that don't want them should not be having them.

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soulpsychodelicyde
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17. "This is essentially where the convo should begin and end."
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>The ones that don't want them should not be having them.

Are we trying to convince those folks to have children? That makes no sense.

  

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fire
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18. "everybody shouldnt have babies.....that's why there are so"
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many kids up for adoption, u got a ton of no good moms & dads having babies...while the people that are stable mentally & financially dont want them....and we wonder why the black population in america is falling off...go figure.

  

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Koku
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59. "this is all so radical & silly."
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the anti-baby machine.
the declining black population in America.

>...while the people that are stable mentally &
>financially dont want them....and we wonder why the black
>population in america is falling off...go figure.

so the financially stable black people should start raising these
unwanted children because they have the $$$ to do it?

lol.

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@kokupuff

  

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69. "yes they should"
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if theyre mentally fit, why not? its the same reason why i support gay adoption...if two people can provide a life for kids that would otherwise be neglected and abused, more fucking power to them.
>
>so the financially stable black people should start raising
>these
>unwanted children because they have the $$$ to do it?
>
>lol.
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76. "LMAO."
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93. ":-/"
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14. "understood, but SOME of the not wanters are being misled"
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into thinking that thier lives will somehow be stunted by birthing,....kids are great!

  

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19. "that's YOUR opinion"
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everyone doesn't like kids.

  

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22. "didnt i say that in my post? i agree if u dont like kids u shouldnt"
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raise them.

  

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151. "you mean, have them, right?"
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198. "It's funny how people say they don't like kids"
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when they were once a damn kid themselves.....I mean regardless of what you go through...how u just gon say you don't like kids...sound like you don't like yoself....uuuh huh!! uuuuuuh huh!

  

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4. "they cost too much"
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nothing's wrong with it
it's just not for me
i may change my mind one day
but right now, no bottomfeeders for me

  

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"ya know"


  

          

I keep looking around and wondering how the fuck people are managing these days?
Maybe its cos I live in the most expensive city in Canada--but damn--between housing and daycare(cos its close to impossible to survive on one salary here), I just don't know how folks can afford it?

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6. "there's nothing wrong w/not wanting and/or not having kids."
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fuck you.

  

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8. "I think you're exaggerating a little bit"
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I don't think there is an anti-baby machine, or a big anti-baby sentiment among young, professional black women, or women in general. Some people want kids. Some people don't. Some people want to have them immediately. Some people prefer to wait. That's all it is to it.

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16. "the end."
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25. "i understand people dont want them...what i dont understand"
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is that being the general concensus.....u'd be hard pressed to find many young women w/bright futures (specifically black) ready to have kids...i mean look @ the angelina post! and the women on these boards are highly educated (for the most part) & have a good head on thier shoulders (despite what these men tend to think).

  

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31. "RE: i understand people dont want them...what i dont understand"
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>is that being the general concensus.....u'd be hard pressed
>to find many young women w/bright futures (specifically
>black) ready to have kids...i mean look @ the angelina post!
I honestly don't think this is the case though. Nearly every young, professional, married, black woman I know has kids. Most of the ones who aren't married, but are in long term realtionships are considering it as well. I don't think it's any kind of general consensus. I mean, you are a young, black, woman so I guess you know better than I do. I just ain't seeing this phenomenon that you'r referring to here.

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60. "okp boards=general consensus?"
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bull and shit.

matter of fact out of all the professional black women (doctors, execs, etc), i'm the only one i know not trying to have kids
and even for me this idea is based mostly on the idea i am no where near ready for that NOR marriage

so there's no way i'd believe its general consensus either way to think professional black women do or don't want to have kids

  

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66. "I don't even think it was a general consensus in that post"
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72. "That would be b/c it wasn't."
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71. "What in the blue hell?"
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This is not really making much sense. Are you really hardpressed to find women like the ones you described who want to have babies? That's just silly. You're painting with an unbelievably broad brush, here.

And what about the women in the Angelina post? Because the sensible ones were defending Jen's right NOT to have a baby means they don't want/have families of their own?

This is laughable to me.

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9. "so yeah..."
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i was crusing through the baby section at Target yesterday for some baby oil gel(for my baby nephew) and GYADAYUM do those lil crumb snatchers cost alot.

Do you know how much Similac costs??

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26. "WIC"
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35. "WOWIE WOW WOW!"
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"squawk!"


          

  

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79. "so if i can't afford them, i should still have them?"
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get on WIC. That's whats hot now?

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81. "You didn't know?"
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115. "wic, its whats for dinner"
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146. "this some backwards shit."
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149. "this some joke missing shit"
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158. "i'm glad you're joking"
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but yeah, i admit that i missed that.

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254. "evidently there is no shame left in the game..."
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i feel sorry for the the folks who've
fallen on hard times that get the rep
from the TRULY TRIFLING and treacherous.



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253. "the fvck?"
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WIC?

as in PURPOSELY setting yourself up to be totally
reliant on government assistance?

with mentalities such as these, no wonder they "manage" us so well.





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10. "some ppl don't like kids, & would make terrible parents as a result."
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i don't understand how anyone can make the argument that a person
SHOULD have kids just because their spouse wants it?

having children is a huge commitment. you don't just have a
baby 'cause your wo/man wants you to.

it's unfortunate those desires weren't fleshed out before the
marriage, or ppl thought they could call their SO's bluff about it.
but if you don't want kids, you shouldn't have or adopt them.

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"RE: some ppl don't like kids, & would make terrible parents as a result."


          

And the discussion of "why don't you?" is completely nonsensical to me. For those who don't want them, and don't have them, I say a huge thank you.

  

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24. "you got all up in that colon too, huh???"
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isn't it great! i love being inside colon.

fuck you.

  

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53. "lining those walls is a life changing experience."
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everybody should get up inside a colon.
it's the ultimate sacrifice!

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57. "i found all sorts of children up in the colon"
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once i got in there. i hesitated at 1st b/c i'm kinda iffy on kids sometimes but i knew it would have been selfish of me not to get up in a piece of colon just to avoid the children. it was a tight fit for me b/c i'm relatively large so being in there w/them was quite a sacrifice indeed. ultimately i found the experience highly rewarding. i recommend it to everyone.

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58. "i found all sorts of children up in the colon"
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once i got in there. i hesitated at 1st b/c i'm kinda iffy on kids sometimes but i knew it would have been selfish of me not to get up in a piece of colon just to avoid the children. it was a tight fit for me b/c i'm relatively large so being in there w/them was quite a sacrifice indeed. ultimately i found the experience highly rewarding. i recommend it to everyone.

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90. "i saw many children too!"
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all manner of kids, you understand me?!?

i swear there were @ least two ethnic cambodians, and an african
or three. i could tell the other adults occupying the colon were a
little selfish, and knew that i could do a better job of pushing the
children along. so i quickly slid them through the pathways, and
shoved money in their hands to temporarily relieve them of their
undeserved suffering.

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98. "kids of all ages and races like getting in a piece of colon."
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it has a universal appeal...and w/good reason! it's great.

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11. "tutelage (Zoo luh the kids... but can't afford em right now)"
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What I mean by that is I don't feel like I can sustain my current lifestyle and raise a kid right now... even with the mommy pitching in... but it'll happen eventually...
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12. "There's this dude in my neighborhood who every time he sees"
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me he walks over and pleads with me not to have any kids because they take all you're money and sanity

the crazy thing is his kids are with him everytime

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20. "self absorbed fuckers n/m"
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28. "it all boils down to selfishness for the most part"
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talking bout "i dont like kids".....well our mothers probably didn't want us pulling on thier apron strings either....thank god they knew what sacrifice was...i mean would u rather sacrifice for your boss or for ur offspring?

  

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40. "i don't even see why the reason they don't want kids matters."
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personally i love kids.

but i know people who hate children, or hate being around them.

who cares if our mothers loved us, or if their mothers loved them?

lol @ the whole premise of this.

lol @ viewing children as the ultimate sacrifice.

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45. "RE: i don't even see why the reason they don't want kids matters."
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It doesn't. But hey, what do I know?

LOL@this whole line of reasoning.

  

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48. "basically"
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65. "if u dont want kids cuz u dont like them, fine"
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if u dont want kids cuz u have some ribald idea that success in life has to do with money and not humanity then there's something wrong there....we are the same people that are so appalled when kids are abused & killed yet none of us would put our "careers" on hold to adopt some kids or would be quick to be up in the abortion clinic getting rid of some babies we made.....yes it does matter.

>
>but i know people who hate children, or hate being around
>them.

i do too, this post doesn't apply to them.


>
>who cares if our mothers loved us, or if their mothers loved
>them?
>

i care..my mother is the greatest mother on earth....she raised us well....her mother raised her well...whats wrong w/repeating that cycle of good and being an example and having a legacy and making sure that we're not alone in this world...cuz the man u or i may marry may not always be there.


>lol @ the whole premise of this.

lol, it's real tho.....blame the angelina post...its something to be discussed.


>
>lol @ viewing children as the ultimate sacrifice.

thats what everyone is acting like in the other post...i dont think its a sacrifice @ all especially if u're married and have some sort of financial stability...it should be easy as hell.

  

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83. "RE: if u dont want kids cuz u dont like them, fine"
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>if u dont want kids cuz u have some ribald idea that success
>in life has to do with money and not humanity then there's
>something wrong there....we are the same people that are so
>appalled when kids are abused & killed yet none of us would
>put our "careers" on hold to adopt some kids or would be quick
>to be up in the abortion clinic getting rid of some babies we
>made.....yes it does matter.

i can't see myself putting my 'career' on hold to raise kids
because i'd be on welfare and section 8 raising those kids. shit they wouldnt even GIVE me kids if i requested to be a foster parent.

no one here is in that good a position to quit their jobs or get off the fast track they *might* be on to raise children. as a matter of fact very few folks are in that position in this day and age.

and those who do not want kids do not necessarily have this idea that success=money and status. some folks just want to be happy doing what they do and oftentimes that DOES include helping others. you CAN do that without having kids you know.

  

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119. "RE: if u dont want kids cuz u dont like them, fine"
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>i can't see myself putting my 'career' on hold to raise kids
>because i'd be on welfare and section 8 raising those kids.
>shit they wouldnt even GIVE me kids if i requested to be a
>foster parent.

i placed this question to married, semi-succesful women, not women just beginning to get on thier feet.


>
>no one here is in that good a position to quit their jobs or
>get off the fast track they *might* be on to raise children.
>as a matter of fact very few folks are in that position in
>this day and age.
>

so what will happen to "us" if we dont make time?


>and those who do not want kids do not necessarily have this
>idea that success=money and status. some folks just want to be
>happy doing what they do and oftentimes that DOES include
>helping others. you CAN do that without having kids you know.

i know it can be done....i'm just asking the aniston women ...the ones who have everything and claim they want kids and then dont have/adopt them...thats mind boggling.

  

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51. "How you gonna go from "I understand" to "it's selfishness"?"
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were you just waiting for somebody else to say it?

  

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54. "ROFL."
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52. "It's more selfish to have kids when you can't provide for them"
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or aren't ready for them

  

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242. "^^^egzzactly"
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243. "please tell me it didn't take 200 replies to get here? END of post"
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http://www.43things.com/person/kimluv

  

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21. "I can't lie"
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I'm scared. Like children? I like my money and my space. Color me selfish. Like, as I get older (and time starts running out) I really wonder what all the fuss is about.

Isn't the world overpopulated or something? LOL.

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Facts and news are reports from the current TV drama.
They have no relevance to your 2-billion-year-old divinity.
Myth is the report from the cellular memory bank.
Myths humanize the recurrent themes of evolu

  

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34. "RE: I can't lie"
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>Isn't the world overpopulated or something? LOL.
>

not by black people...and w/the aids rate in africa...we gonna be gone.

  

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171. "the earth can realistically sustain only about a billion humans"
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we're 5 billion over that number.

https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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174. "thats what death is for"
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23. "no one is required to have children."
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27. "Yes they are. Were you not cc'd on the memo?"
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29. "all my babies are drunks."
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30. "Welp... better drunk, unwanted babies than no babies. Hop to it."
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33. "who said they was UNWANTED?!"
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i luvs my babies.

*nurses*

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38. "where did i say requirement?"
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44. "oh. i know you didn't."
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i'm just sayin. since folks aren't required, then many won't. others will.

like, it just is what it is.

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49. "you did say ppl who don't want kids are selfish."
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which implies that in order to be a good person 1 has to have or at least want kids.

wiggle out of that 1.

fuck you.

  

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56. "ask me how many 40 year old women i know who put babies"
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on hold for thier careers and said it was the biggest mistake of thier lives cuz thier careers flourished & they dont have anyone to hold onto or thier careers didn't flourish & they missed the window of opportunity...the percentage that were successful & didn't have kids and are happy about that is minimal.

  

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61. "i'll find just as many w/kids who wish they didn't have them."
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fuck you.

  

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63. "40 isn't too late to adopt"
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and when you get right down to it, making new ones for the hell of it* is pretty damn selfish, blah blah blah overpopulation kids that need parents blah blah blah

i'm still gonna do it, but i make myself feel better by saying that i might adopt too.



*i really don't think there is an unselfish reason to have a child. ever.

-k-
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67. "having a baby in an attempt to keep a mate = selfish."
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and insane.

fuck you.

  

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88. "who are you telling?"
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i nearly had an aneurysm reading that garbage.

but i think (hope) that's not really what this new one is about?

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92. "this 1 isn't about that but was inspired by it."
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fuck you.

  

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130. "not in order to keep....i dont support stupidity in relationships"
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i do support compromise.

  

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94. "stringing a mate along who wants a baby for 7 years= selfish/insane"
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~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


...you're direct, sincere, uncomplicated. You're the type of woman to bring out the worse in a man, his conscience. ~That Touch of Mink

  

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99. "having a baby just b/c your mate wants you to = stupid and insane."
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fuck you.

  

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108. "let the person GO. waffle on the idea"
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be clear on where you stand.
~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


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100. "strung along?"
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as if he had no choice.

like, if the only reason he got married was to get some kids. that's just...well, not smart. as he learned.

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106. "yeah he made a choice angelina"
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next!
~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


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101. "Honestly..."
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How do we know what *really* went on in their marriage? Like, folks are really debating something we know nothing about.

  

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109. "true, cause for someone repeatedly stated she wanted kids"
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in most major periodical and television interviews
and had a man who said the same
7 years later, no kids
and now has a woman who has adopted two and is having his third



we have no clue
~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


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110. "And based on that, we know what happened?"
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O.

  

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116. "truly."
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she could have miscarried multiple times. we have no idea.

the attacks are flabbergasting.

-k-
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121. "Brad said in an interview that they'd tried to get pregnant"
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and it hadn't worked.

fuck you.

  

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123. "frankly brad should have kept his mouth shut"
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about their very personal business, but i suppose there's something to be said for the pressure to perform for the fans.

-k-
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120. "are you really trying to reason with a bored person?"
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you up in okp
in america...for that matter
tryna talk sense?

pshaw woman!

i will give my opinions and theories
on assumptions
and gleamings of puffs of information
does it make it any less valid
of course not

we aren't writing doctorate thesis's
or nobel prize essays
footnotes ain't required

just lofty opinions
based on jack. shit


now i suggest you stop reading at this point
because i'll continue the back and forth
to and fro
until it's time for my appt
unless you also are still bored then proceed
*cheese*
...
people barely know what goes on in their own
failed marriages
and they were there

but agreed my suppositions
on a failed celebrity marraige
are just that
~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


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122. "We have consensus."
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>but agreed my suppositions
>on a failed celebrity marraige
>are just that

  

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127. "*watchs argument peter out* | ahhh SHADDAP!"
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~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


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105. "what a vicious, calculating whore jennifer aniston is!"
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how dare she string a grown man along!

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@kokupuff

  

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114. "you should do something about them exclamation points"
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as well as about attempting to put words in my subject line.
lol
got the wrong poster ma'am

i'll give on calculating. 'cause how would you hold on to a marraige for 7 years knowing your partner wants kids by... stating you don't want them?
nope
just keep stating you want them and don't adopt or produce any.

when someone loves you grown people will buy some serious bullshit
and 7 years of 'yeah i want kids too!'
just gimme a minute...
umm yeah his bad for staying and buying that crap
but when you love someone
you'll buy anything
~~~~~~~~~~~
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129. "i can't help it!!"
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i'm being very tongue-in-cheek, you shouldn't take that personally.

this is one of the most wildly emotionally charged, threads
i've participated in, in quite some time. i'm thoroughly enjoying
my stay here; the exclamation marks are just a byproduct of said
enjoyment!

but the bottomline here is, we really don't know what was happening
w/in that marriage _AT ALL_.

the whole wanting children angle, may have very well been a PR move,
and a scripted act to keep her likeable & bankable. i doubt a woman
could pull the wool over her husband's eyes for SEVEN YEARS.

i suspect he knew what was going on, and decided to do something
about it, when he couldn't _CHANGE_ her, and make her have those
children, or adopt them.

i think that it's great that she didn't back down, and didn't chose
to have children she didn't want to have. everybody's happier now,
and he's fulfilled, and if Jenny isn't, surely she'll get over it.

it doesn't even matter why she didn't want those children, if she
didn't want them, she shouldn't be forced, coerced, or painted a
demon, or the 'bad guy' for not having them, simply because her mate
wanted her to.

i don't think anybody's a victim here tho.

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@kokupuff

  

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134. "don't you pull a soulpsychodelicyde on me!"
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>but the bottomline here is, we really don't know what was
>happening
>w/in that marriage _AT ALL_.

there right there
what thee hell?
all common sense an shit
you just tryna kill this thread
thread killer!

>the whole wanting children angle, may have very well been a PR
>move,
>and a scripted act to keep her likeable & bankable. i doubt a
>woman
>could pull the wool over her husband's eyes for SEVEN YEARS.

actually i don't doubt that...people be on some bullshit
and you can tell them about it but they'll just wallow blindly
for years

>i suspect he knew what was going on, and decided to do
>something
>about it, when he couldn't _CHANGE_ her, and make her have
>those
>children, or adopt them.

now your saying this like he knew she ain't want them...the heffa lied.
and yes he realized 7 years later that this woman was on some bullshit
and not being honest about her stance on children. and did his thang but up there you tryna make it like he KNEW she ain't want them. it took dude 7 years to figure this out.
there was definitely some wool pulling going on
7 years?
come on man.

>i think that it's great that she didn't back down, and didn't
>chose
>to have children she didn't want to have. everybody's happier
>now,
>and he's fulfilled, and if Jenny isn't, surely she'll get over
>it.

see that's the thing she's all woah's me in the press and while normally i
can sympathize with the 'my man was stolen, them cheating mofo's' woah's me
in this instance i just couldn't why?
she lied for 7 years, so to try to wean sympathy through the press...
it's just annoying
plus
i don't like her (heehee)

>it doesn't even matter why she didn't want those children, if
>she
>didn't want them, she shouldn't be forced, coerced, or painted
>a
>demon, or the 'bad guy' for not having them, simply because
>her mate
>wanted her to.
>
>i don't think anybody's a victim here tho.

welp if you go into a marriage stating you want kids
and then not clearly stating you have changed your mind

that is misleading and just wrong to the person you married.

~~~~~~~~~~~
<--she's preeeety


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70. "putting babies on hold is not the same as not wanting them"
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that's their bad

  

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255. "please stop posing FICTION as FACT"
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>>>the percentage that were successful & didn't have kids and are happy about that is minimal.<<<

^^ i demand stats. you're inclined to SAY anything to support your
twisted view.





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50. "you did say ppl who don't want kids are selfish."
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which implies that in order to be a good person 1 has to have or at least want kids.

wiggle out of that 1.

fuck you.

  

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42. "ppl who don't have children = selfish."
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^^ wake up, Huey.

you selfish monster.

fuck you.

  

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47. "my babies got rum in they bottles."
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they sitting right here under my desk.

i love them!

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74. "do u support gay adoption?"
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86. ""gay" parents are legendary."
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they exist in same sex couples, single, f-m couples, some are even polygamists.

raising kids aint nothing new for non straights.

i support adoption to reasonably healthy homes. gay, straight, otherwise.

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43. "ppl who don't have children = selfish."
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^^ wake up, Huey.

you selfish monster.

fuck you.

  

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36. "the bitch can afford 24/7 child care"
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_____________________
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39. "24/7/life"
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41. "cause kids are SCARY!"
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yes, we are young, black, married and CHILDLESS and its like a crime to be childless and its a crime to have kids.

Fact is, we understand the WEIGHT that kids bring and we want to be totally prepared, but until then we dont want to hear that mess. Kids are WORK, yes they are worth it, but they are WORK and until we feel even a FRACTION ready, we not tryna hear kids, fa real, lol

Love the kids, tho! LOL!

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46. "sometimes medical conditions are a factor"
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I don't why folks didn't think that perhaps, just maybe, Jen had a medical condition that she didn't "share with the world" and thus her reasoning for not having kids.

I know for myself, I just can't wrap my head around childbirth, plus I have a blood condition that would jeopardize both our lives.
I'm not oppose to adoption though.

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75. "brad said that he wanted to adopt....they didn't do ti"
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now that hes w/angelina "I wanted kids" (c) jennifer in every magazine

  

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55. "the Brock excuse"
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(c)girlfriends

is selfish

  

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62. "what's wrong with not wanting them?"
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64. "CAN'T YOU READ??? ITS SELFISH!"
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68. "so is getting head and not reciprocating"
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but sometimes that's just how it goes

  

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77. "WTF? and STOPPING SCREAMING AT ME."
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i can't believe ya'll are serious. u can't be.

you mean, so you should bring kids into the world (even though don't want them) so as to attempt to negate some character defect, moral judgment, societal expectation?

gtfohwtbs.

that would be selfish.

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84. ":)"
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85. "I think she just joking with you sis."
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It's okay.

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95. "tara had my bottom lip poked out. lol"
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80. "nothing, i never said something was wrong w/not wanting them"
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82. "i'm confused."
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89. "so is she."
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107. "lol."
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this post is a strange place.

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256. "lol ...word. n/m"
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111. "you said it was selfish fire. what are you smokin today?"
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28. "it all boils down to selfishness for the most part"
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talking bout "i dont like kids".....well our mothers probably didn't want us pulling on thier apron strings either....thank god they knew what sacrifice was...i mean would u rather sacrifice for your boss or for ur offspring?




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142. "in some cases it's selfishness in others its brainwashing"
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by women of the sexual revolution that led us to believe in order to be "equal" with men we had to throw the baby out with the bathwater....pun intended.

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73. "Hmmm.... I don't think all couples should have kids...."
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Personally, I want to have children. I'm all for adopting, and in fact plan to adopt some kids when the time is right for me. The time being right would mean that I am married and at a point in my life where my husband and I can juggle things around to make our situation work.

As someone who works in the system teaching art to children who live in foster homes, I can tell you that some people SHOULD NOT be parents. It's a lovely idea that two people get together, fall in love, get married, and naturally begin a family, but we don't live in that type of world. Shit happens and some people should not, I repeat, SHOULD NOT be parents. If people are not into it, even if they have the money and means, they shouldn't be a parent if they aren't willing to make the necessary sacrifices. Willing is the operative word, because there will no doubt be sacrifices, but if you raise your child resenting them because they kept you from something, that will reflect in your child raising and eventually effect their lives.

This subject touches close to home in another way. My godsister was unable to have children, but is was not for lack of trying. Her husband, on the other hand, wanted them badly. She tried everything from therapy to In Vitro (sp?) and eventually developed cancer and died. Not saying that In Vitro has anything to do with it, but she was perfectly healthy before she went on this quest to fulfill her mates wish. I have nothing against wanting to procreate with your spouse or partner, but make sure both people are willing, ready, and ABLE to be parents before you get involved like that. (And for the record, she suggested adoption, we all suggested adoption, but he wanted a child of their own. Stupid bastard...but I digress) There is nothing selfish about wanting to live your life without being an actual parent. And the word parent is relative. Most of us are involved with children either directly or indirectly at some point in our lives and that has an impact, so who's to say your calling in life is to be a parent. Maybe your calling is be a teacher or a pediatrician, at which point you are helping the lives of children.

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78. "thank you."
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There is nothing selfish about wanting to live your
>life without being an actual parent. And the word parent is
>relative. Most of us are involved with children either
>directly or indirectly at some point in our lives and that has
>an impact, so who's to say your calling in life is to be a
>parent. Maybe your calling is be a teacher or a pediatrician,
>at which point you are helping the lives of children.

^^ i wholeheartedly agree w/this part.

fuck you.

  

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87. "this reply is so perfect"
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139. "."
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thank you for sharing this

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257. "*************************APPLAUSE****************************"
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>>>There is nothing selfish about wanting to live your life without being an actual parent<<<


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91. "It's equally selfish to have kids as it is to not have kids."
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People either have kids because they believe that the kids will compliment their lives, or they don't have kids because they don't believe the children will compliment their lives.

  

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96. "It is not a new"
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phenomenon(sp).

I had this same conversation with a friend 13 years ago. Middle class black folks just are not having children, while poor and low income are having them by the truckloads. One poster was right when she stated some people are physically unable to have children, I have seen that happen to several couples I know. They waited until their late 30's to try to have children , but their bodies wouldn't let them. Some wound up adopting and others went through invitro treatments.


I think during the prime childbearing years couple are trying to build a steady home and once they are ready they are finding it hard to become pregnant.

Then there are some folks who just do not want to have children. I know it is that persons choice , but I don't buy into that the world is effed up excuse. I use to use that one, before I had my son. The world has been effed up since the beginning of time, it is not going to get any better.

Right now I am looking into adopting a child.It may be hard because I am a single parent.



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97. "HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU HAVE?"
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this said because you stop swallowin'?

g'eah!

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102. "fire, where yo tribe of kids at nigga??"
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say what? say who?

You need to get on this baby producing now, I'll crochet the blankets.

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103. "STOP IT NAH! | ya'll making my ovaries"
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slam dance in my womb.
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104. "the duality of contemplating children is maddening"
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sometimes. Because when u are in your 20's its THE perfect time to be birthing babies, BIOLOGICALLY SPEAKING, your body is ripe and everything. BUT, USUALLY, during this time, people are trying to become stable in their lives and have no earthly good reason to bring children into the world. Then when they DO get stable, its like, ok, lemme enjoy this a lil bit and by then they are hitting they're early to mid 30s, maybe even later, and its MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to get pregnant and birth babies. All kinds of complications and such.

Its such a maddening thing, i tell ya.

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113. "technically...youre physically able to have babies once u start"
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menstruating....but i'm just being technical...cuz 14 year olds should not be raising kids.

  

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124. "true"
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but technically, its biologically hurtful for teens to have kids since they are still developing and all. But it seems that is really no REAL good time to have kids, anymore at least.

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112. "i got one and that's enough."
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I dont want anymore, married or not.




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117. "i'm seeing the opposite"
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me and most of my friends male and female are preparing to have families...but i think i'm older than most of the ppl on this site

the sentiment that you speak of is more prevalent among women in their mid twenties and under...i think most women around that age are enjoying their freedom and independence and the thought of interrupting all that to have children just seems ridiculous...i also think there's a bit of resentment that younger women feel when they realize how much of an impact having a child will have on their lives (specifically their bodies and their careers) when their partners will most likely be unaffected in those ways...



  

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118. "HOW OLD ARE YOU?"
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G'eah

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126. "how long you been quoting me without giving credit?"
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125. "THIS STEMMED FROM LUSTING OVER THE CRACKER ACTOR"
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128. "Girl, I fucked around and MISSED this whole post."
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now i gotta catch up. lol.


but i think you know how i feel on this:

Marriage is about sacrifice and compromise.
That includes children.
If you dont want children
or even QUESTION if you want children
let your mate know that


BEFORE You get married.



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132. "BEFORE you even get involved"
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i'm that girl thats gonna let a dude know what the deal is before the end of the first date...

lol...me and my current knew each others outlooks before date one...

  

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147. "im sayin. let 'em know what you want from the get go."
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if you can do that, you can advoid HELLA drama. lol.

  

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131. "*ahem*"
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wow...where does one begin?
i mean as someone who has a child (and who is on OKP and who is not rich and who has not put her career on "hold" to have a child and who is pretty happy about it), it's kind of offensive to read all the responses that basically equate having a child with death/poverty/depression/career suicide, but then again i'm happy that those folks don't have children. it's not surprising that, in these ME-centric times, people can come up with all kinds of crazy justifications for wanting to remain single/childless/both...whatever. but this is AMERICA, and you can DO that. that's the beauty of living in this country. you more worried about your manolo blahniks and your career right now than starting a family? DO YOU!!! so i don't agree with making people feel freakish/wrong for having thier priorities. BUT it's surprising how many folks WELL INTO thier thirties/pushing 40 in this country ride off of that energy until they wake up and they're 42 and they were having so much fun being single/childless that they forgot to think about the fact that they wanted kids "at some point".

i told y'all about all the 45 year olds in my childbirth education class having their first babies. i mean...this is a national epidemic. NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT!!!!!! DO YOU!!!

i also don't think that everyone is meant to be a parent, becaue YES it requires sacrifice, maturity, hard work, adjustment, and a level fucking head (most of the time ), and a desire to see something BEYOND you...bigger than YOU...thrive and grow.

we live in interesting times, where we can even HAVE a discussion like this. and i'm glad that we can.

i mean thank god the world is overpopulated b/c i'd be really scared if some of you ever procreated.

Finally, it's kind of scary how WAY OFF some folks are about the realities of raising children in "this day and age". HELLO...it ain't that bad. Chill the fuck out. This world has been fucked up for a very long time, dearies. People raise children on less than six figure incomes, and here's the kicker...people CAN have children and not end up poor, unhappy, or wearing clothes from Sears.

y'all kill me....




  

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136. "no one said all that"
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i know i referenced it for one because i truly do not have the means or the $$ to have a kid right now

im not saying if i ever had a kid that is what would happen but considering i dont have the best paying job and go to school and have no husband, me having a kid right now would require quitting school or job to raise a kid

but no one is saying in general kids=financial or career ruin

  

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143. "THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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i mean we weren't poor growing up but my parents had FOUR kids on an upper middle class income AND paid for our mortgages, cars, COLLEGE TUITION FOR ALL OF US, clothing and everything else that came with child rearing...we were happy as shit....i now have 7-1/2 nieces & nephews (my sis is pregnant again)...& i love those little crumbsnatchers....i.cant.imagine.life.without.them....they really make me happy...i can't imagine how happy my own are going to make them.

  

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148. "While I hear you."
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I don't think folks are implying that children equals depression/financial ruin, etc. Well, some may feel that way, but as I scroll this post, I don't think the vast majority would agree. And if they truly feel that way, then they probably SHOULDN'T have children and we should all rejoice for the babies that won't have to endure these parents.

What we DO seem to agree on is that parenthood is a HUGE sacrifice (you certainly know this better than all of us here who don't have children, no doubt), and some have simply decided they don't wanna take that on. My hat goes off to them for recognizing their limitations rather than doing what most of us are EXPECTED to do, when it's not ultimately what they want, with the child/ren caught in the middle.

However, the idea that making that VERY personal decision for oneself is selfish, is offensive and short-sighted.

Like, I can't imagine what kind of "crazy justifications" there could possibly be. I don't have to justify shit. The idea that people are expected to defend their own personal choices about their lives/bodies is BEYOND me. I simply cannot get my head around it.

Personally, I can't wait to have a gaggle of mini-me's running around. But I couldn't fathom questioning why someone else has decided that's not the road for them, and then having the gall to call that decision "selfish," the "justifications" crazy?

The notion that they (or I) *have to* procreate offends me, really.

Moreover, if folks say they don't wanna be parents. BE HAPPY. Those children deserve parents who want them. Not those who felt obligated/coerced to reproduce.

  

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>>>However, the idea that making that VERY personal decision for oneself is selfish, is offensive and short-sighted.

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155. "Like, if I'm so selfish, why would you be encouraging me to have kids?"
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I don't get it.

  

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159. "^^ crazy justification."
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161. "^^ crazy justification."
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163. "i wasnt calling *you* selfish...i was calling others selfish"
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ur utuerus, ur choice
i just know that alot of people wait for that magical moment when it's right & then it's too late.......having a career in lieu of kids & then wanting the kids & then u cant have them when all the while u coulda had both...we dont wanna see that happen...i'm just asking a general question that was geared toward married folkwomen....that angelina post triggered this post...if people dont have babies its really none of my business....i am still interested to know why..... got it?

now there are people attacking prince in the lesson.........i must go

  

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170. "Others like who? Married women who opt not to have children?"
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So... the difference between my choice, and someone else's is that I'm not married?

So as a married woman I'm obligated to have children? Is there some sorta black baby debt we're supposed to repay that I'm not aware of?

This is bogus.

This doesn't apply to me in any case because I *want* to have children. But that's inconsequential.

I'm offended for WOMEN in general who find themselves having to justify and defend their personal choices.

  

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179. "RE: Others like who? Married women who opt not to have children?"
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>So... the difference between my choice, and someone else's is
>that I'm not married?

no, the discussion arose from the man (brad) wanting to have kids & the wife (jennifer) waiting/not wanting kids....so i made this post trying to understand why a married couple....happily married, financially stable, etc....if one spouse BEGS for years & years to symbolize thier love via the birth/adoption of a baby, why one spouse, that already promised parenthood...reneges on the deal...thats what this post is really about...i'm kinda crestfallen that u guys arent getting what i'm trying to say...i'm not attacking nonbirthing folks...i am attcking people that act like its a crime to compromise for you spouse by having a child...i mean marriage is about compromise on so many levels....noone is saying jennifer HAD to have a baby for him, hell he coulda been the worst husband on earth, BUT after the fact (when he's booed up w/angelina & having & adopting kids) dont go around: "i wanted a baby!".....it looks mad suspect, she MAY have taken his patience for granted....hell, maybe he aint the man for her...all i know is that love is unconditional sometimes u gotta do shit u dont wanna do...like waiting to have a baby or having a baby cuz ur SPOUSE doesnt want to wait......

>
>So as a married woman I'm obligated to have children?

no, hell no.

Is
>there some sorta black baby debt we're supposed to repay that
>I'm not aware of?

u r missing my point

>
>This is bogus.
>
>This doesn't apply to me in any case because I *want* to have
>children. But that's inconsequential.
>
>I'm offended for WOMEN in general who find themselves having
>to justify and defend their personal choices.

if u have a discussion with ur future spouse prior to marriage and say u want kids & then renege.....for no good reason, they have a right to renege on the marriage...kids are more important than finances, housing, cars & any other material decision we make, if people get divorced over money y in the hell are we so mad cuz they get divorced over kids?
>
>

  

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186. "oh, okay."
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>no, the discussion arose from the man (brad) wanting to have
>kids & the wife (jennifer) waiting/not wanting kids....so i
>made this post trying to understand why a married
>couple....happily married, financially stable, etc....if one
>spouse BEGS for years & years to symbolize thier love via the
>birth/adoption of a baby, why one spouse, that already
>promised parenthood...reneges on the deal...thats what this
>post is really about

re Brad & Jen: we don't know what happened. both of them said they wanted a baby after 'Friends' ended. Brad said they even tried to have 1...if that's true then it must not have worked. <-THAT right there can drive a couple apart. trying to have a baby and it not working...that's rough on anyone and it can put strain on a relationship. we don't know if that happened w/them either though.

i just don't like the way Jen is being attacked on this board. lol i'm not a fan but i think she's being treated unfairly. since they both wanted kids i don't think it's right to say they didn't have 1 b/c Jen wasn't willing to put the marriage 1st or b/c she's selfish or b/c she wanted to focus on her career. there was some other reason.

...i'm kinda crestfallen that u guys arent
>getting what i'm trying to say...i'm not attacking nonbirthing
>folks...i am attcking people that act like its a crime to
>compromise for you spouse by having a child

i can't believe you advocate for that. where does the child fit into that scenario?

...i mean marriage
>is about compromise on so many levels....noone is saying
>jennifer HAD to have a baby for him,

"for him"

a baby/child/person is not a gift 1 person gives to another. a baby is not a sacrifice a person makes for someone else.

hell he coulda been the
>worst husband on earth, BUT after the fact (when he's booed up
>w/angelina & having & adopting kids) dont go around: "i wanted
>a baby!"

she wanted a baby while they were married. there's a reason they didn't have 1..we don't know it.

>hell, maybe he aint the man for
>her...

they seem fine w/the split. both of them.

all i know is that love is unconditional sometimes u
>gotta do shit u dont wanna do

LOL

some things cannot be compromised.

fuck you.

  

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188. "Oh, Fire."
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no, the discussion arose from the man (brad) wanting to have
>kids & the wife (jennifer) waiting/not wanting kids....so i
>made this post trying to understand why a married
>couple....happily married, financially stable, etc....if one
>spouse BEGS for years & years to symbolize thier love via the
>birth/adoption of a baby, why one spouse, that already
>promised parenthood

Let's start with the fact that none of us know what happened in their marriage. We're guessing based on PR-filtered quotes and coverage. So we have *no* idea what the real story is.

...reneges on the deal...thats what this
>post is really about...i'm kinda crestfallen that u guys arent
>getting what i'm trying to say...i'm not attacking nonbirthing
>folks...i am attcking people that act like its a crime to
>compromise for you spouse by having a child...

See below. Fire, how in the hell does one compromise on a life? Please explain that. You're advocating that people bear children THEY DON'T WANT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

i mean marriage
>is about compromise on so many levels....noone is saying
>jennifer HAD to have a baby for him, hell he coulda been the
>worst husband on earth,

But she should've had a baby for and with him?!?!?!

BUT after the fact (when he's booed up
>w/angelina & having & adopting kids) dont go around: "i wanted
>a baby!".....it looks mad suspect, she MAY have taken his
>patience for granted....hell, maybe he aint the man for
>her...all i know is that love is unconditional sometimes u
>gotta do shit u dont wanna do...like waiting to have a baby or
>having a baby cuz ur SPOUSE doesnt want to wait......

So, I don't wanna have a baby, but I should have one for my husband b/c he does? Well... talk about being made from love. WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK KINDA BASS ACKWARDS LOGIC IS THIS?
>
>>
>>So as a married woman I'm obligated to have children?
>
>no, hell no.
>
> Is
>>there some sorta black baby debt we're supposed to repay
>that
>>I'm not aware of?
>
>u r missing my point

Fire, you specifically said that black folks are dying out and that you married, financially stable adults should have children. Scroll up. So no, I'm not missing your point. I'm challenging it.
>
>>
>>This is bogus.
>>
>>This doesn't apply to me in any case because I *want* to
>have
>>children. But that's inconsequential.
>>
>>I'm offended for WOMEN in general who find themselves having
>>to justify and defend their personal choices.
>
>if u have a discussion with ur future spouse prior to marriage
>and say u want kids & then renege.....for no good reason, they
>have a right to renege on the marriage...kids are more
>important than finances, housing, cars & any other material
>decision we make, if people get divorced over money y in the
>hell are we so mad cuz they get divorced over kids?

Here's the only place we agree... if we agree that we don't want children, and a year or 7 in, I suddenly want them, well then, yes, I've changed the game. And for all intents and purposes, my hubby is well within his rights to bounce. But as I'm not a personal friend of either one of these folks, I have no idea what went on in THEIR marriage.

  

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197. "this is so completely absurd & disturbing."
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>...i am attcking people that act like its a crime to
>compromise for you spouse by having a child...

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164. "^^ crazy justification."
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166. "u be quiet!"
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162. "fair enough"
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the "crazy justification" comment...my judgement was showing. bygones.

and i wouldn't want anyone who did not WANT children to have them...period. so i don't agree with the "selfish" comment either

and you're right...you ain't gotta justify shit

  

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153. "i see you."
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it's kind of
>offensive to read all the responses that basically equate
>having a child with death/poverty/depression/career suicide,

why? none of them are about you.

>but then again i'm happy that those folks don't have children.
>it's not surprising that, in these ME-centric times, people
>can come up with all kinds of >>crazy justifications for wanting
>to remain single/childless/both...whatever.

i see you, Gemini. you got a problem w/ppl who choose to remain single and/or childless. get it out in the open, ma.

but this is
>AMERICA, and you can DO that.

you don't even mean that. LOL get it out in the open, ma.

that's the beauty of living in
>this country. you more worried about your manolo blahniks and
>your career right now than starting a family? DO YOU!!!

get it out in the open, ma.

so i
>don't agree with making people feel freakish/wrong for having
>thier priorities.

bull
shit.

you just did that very thing in the 5 sentences that preceded this 1.

get it out in the open, ma.

be like Fire...at least she has the cajones to own up to judging ppl (read: women) who choose not to have kids. personally i think she's 125% wrong but at least she put it out in the open. open up your hate.

BUT it's surprising how many folks WELL INTO
>thier thirties/pushing 40 in this country ride off of that
>energy until they wake up and they're 42 and >>they were having
>so much fun being single/childless<< that they forgot to think
>about the fact that they wanted kids "at some point".

so what exactly is your beef w/the ppl who don't have kids? the bit i highlighted...it makes me wonder if down deep somewhere underneath you don't envy ppl w/o kids a little bit? you wonder if you're missing out on something? i don't expect you to admit to that even it's true and i'm sure it's not.

so, what's your beef? get it out in the open.

>i told y'all about all the 45 year olds in my childbirth
>education class having their first babies. i mean...this is a
>national epidemic. NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH
>IT!!!!!! DO YOU!!!

liar.

>i also don't think that everyone is meant to be a parent,

*holds breath*

>becaue YES it requires sacrifice, maturity, hard work,
>adjustment, and a level fucking head (most of the time ),
>and a desire to see something BEYOND you...bigger than
>YOU...thrive and grow.

LOL x1000

parents don't get brownie points.

>we live in interesting times, where we can even HAVE a
>discussion like this. and i'm glad that we can.

liar.

fuck you.

  

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168. "why i gotta hate anybody though?"
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why does my opinion have to be steeped in some sort of hate
or resentment
for the record
my pregnancy was not planned
so miss me with all the "let your hate out"
i think i can fully understand both sides of the issue
i gave birth at 30, not 21
i was not stuttin havin a child before then
so yeah i can full well appreciate
someone in thier 20's who doesn't want kids
and thier reasons why
and my "crazy justification" comment notwithstanding
what about what i said leads you to believe that i hate people
who are single/childless
or that i secretly envy them?
like...can't a negress just hold an opinion
can't i offer up my perspective?
maybe my judgement *is* showing
but it's not steeped in hate or resentment or any of that bullshit
for real
miss me with the venom
i'm tryna DISCUSS
not throw shade

  

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"i didn't say you hate ppl w/o kids"


  

          

i said going by your reply it seems you got something against them. i didn't know what you could have against them beyond my theory about resentment...so i asked.

and i still don't understand b/c you didn't answer.

what's wrong w/ppl not having kids? you said it leads to 45 yr olds being childbirth classes (or som'n like that)...other than that what's wrong w/ppl not having kids?

fuck you.

  

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178. "NOTHING!"
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where did you read me write that there was something wrong w/people not having kids???

i think you are mis mis misreading me
i never, ever said anything like that

and i certainly don't have any RESENTMENT toward them

all i did was offer up my opinion, which had nothing to do with hate or resentment. shit, why would i hate someone for not giving birth? THAT SHIT HURTS

all i said was that i'm seeing a plethora of women in their 40's scrambling to have a baby before it's "too late", and that the whole "i don't want kids" thing can sometimes be a passing phase that ends sometimes just before menopause. that's all i said.

i mean okay my "crazy justification" comment was ill advised, but your whole tone is just MEAN and i don't like it, b/c i didn't post anything mean (or at least i didn't intend to)

  

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"if you say so."


  

          

>where did you read me write that there was something wrong
>w/people not having kids???

"crazy justifications"

>i think you are mis mis misreading me
>i never, ever said anything like that

not directly, no.

>and i certainly don't have any RESENTMENT toward them

word.

>all i did was offer up my opinion, which had nothing to do
>with hate or resentment. shit, why would i hate someone for
>not giving birth? THAT SHIT HURTS

LOL

>all i said was that i'm seeing a plethora of women in their
>40's scrambling to have a baby before it's "too late", and
>that the whole "i don't want kids" thing can sometimes be a
>passing phase that ends sometimes just before menopause.
>that's all i said.

the tone of it though...it was like you were pointing and laughing at those women b/c they didn't have the babies when they were younger. if that's not what you intended then that's cool.

>i mean okay my "crazy justification" comment was ill advised,

lol

>but your whole tone is just MEAN and i don't like it, b/c i
>didn't post anything mean (or at least i didn't intend to)

it came across to me like an attack on women who choose not to have kids in their youth.

fuck you.

  

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185. "darling i was 30 when i gave birth!!!!"
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3-0

how am i gonna attack someone for not having kids in thier youth when obviously I DIDN'T???????????

you're killing me

y'all gon' start remembering my NARRATIVE

do i have to go and write a book boo??

this is mad frustrating when did i become the posterPOSTER for young motherhood?

I AM OLD AS BLACK PEPPER

but young enough to know that alot of shit i "said" in my 20's i have backpedaled on in my 30's and i suspect the same will be true of my 40's and 50's and so on and so on...

i wasn't so much laughing at those women as i was using the example of folks who change their minds once it appears that "time" is "running out"

folks should have babies when they can handle kids. period. me? i got knocked up i had to rise to the occasion. and i'm not resentful or bitter or jealous because shit i was 30 i had BEEN DONE sowed my wild oats, been to grad school, been all over the world...alla dat. i don't begrudge any woman anything.

  

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189. "that's why i was asking."
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it didn't make sense.

fuck you.

  

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213. "I think 30 is the perfect age to have kids"
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if you want them..just my opinion.

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252. "yup, I TOTALLY agree."
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>>I think 30 is the perfect age to have kids"
if you want them..just my opinion.<<




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180. "if you say so."
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>where did you read me write that there was something wrong
>w/people not having kids???

"crazy justifications"

>i think you are mis mis misreading me
>i never, ever said anything like that

not directly, no.

>and i certainly don't have any RESENTMENT toward them

word.

>all i did was offer up my opinion, which had nothing to do
>with hate or resentment. shit, why would i hate someone for
>not giving birth? THAT SHIT HURTS

LOL

>all i said was that i'm seeing a plethora of women in their
>40's scrambling to have a baby before it's "too late", and
>that the whole "i don't want kids" thing can sometimes be a
>passing phase that ends sometimes just before menopause.
>that's all i said.

the tone of it though...it was like you were pointing and laughing at those women b/c they didn't have the babies when they were younger. if that's not what you intended then that's cool.

>i mean okay my "crazy justification" comment was ill advised,

lol

>but your whole tone is just MEAN and i don't like it, b/c i
>didn't post anything mean (or at least i didn't intend to)

it came across to me like an attack on women who choose not to have kids in their youth.

fuck you.

  

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173. "i didn't say you hate ppl w/o kids"
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i said going by your reply it seems you got something against them. i didn't know what you could have against them beyond my theory about resentment...so i asked.

and i still don't understand b/c you didn't answer.

what's wrong w/ppl not having kids? you said it leads to 45 yr olds being childbirth classes (or som'n like that)...other than that what's wrong w/ppl not having kids?

fuck you.

  

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154. "i see you."
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it's kind of
>offensive to read all the responses that basically equate
>having a child with death/poverty/depression/career suicide,

why? none of them are about you.

>but then again i'm happy that those folks don't have children.
>it's not surprising that, in these ME-centric times, people
>can come up with all kinds of >>crazy justifications for wanting
>to remain single/childless/both...whatever.

i see you, Gemini. you got a problem w/ppl who choose to remain single and/or childless. get it out in the open, ma.

but this is
>AMERICA, and you can DO that.

you don't even mean that. LOL get it out in the open, ma.

that's the beauty of living in
>this country. you more worried about your manolo blahniks and
>your career right now than starting a family? DO YOU!!!

get it out in the open, ma.

so i
>don't agree with making people feel freakish/wrong for having
>thier priorities.

bull
shit.

you just did that very thing in the 5 sentences that preceded this 1.

get it out in the open, ma.

be like Fire...at least she has the cajones to own up to judging ppl (read: women) who choose not to have kids. personally i think she's 125% wrong but at least she put it out in the open. open up your hate.

BUT it's surprising how many folks WELL INTO
>thier thirties/pushing 40 in this country ride off of that
>energy until they wake up and they're 42 and >>they were having
>so much fun being single/childless<< that they forgot to think
>about the fact that they wanted kids "at some point".

so what exactly is your beef w/the ppl who don't have kids? the bit i highlighted...it makes me wonder if down deep somewhere underneath you don't envy ppl w/o kids a little bit? you wonder if you're missing out on something? i don't expect you to admit to that even it's true and i'm sure it's not.

so, what's your beef? get it out in the open.

>i told y'all about all the 45 year olds in my childbirth
>education class having their first babies. i mean...this is a
>national epidemic. NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH
>IT!!!!!! DO YOU!!!

liar.

>i also don't think that everyone is meant to be a parent,

*holds breath*

>becaue YES it requires sacrifice, maturity, hard work,
>adjustment, and a level fucking head (most of the time ),
>and a desire to see something BEYOND you...bigger than
>YOU...thrive and grow.

LOL x1000

parents don't get brownie points.

>we live in interesting times, where we can even HAVE a
>discussion like this. and i'm glad that we can.

liar.

fuck you.

  

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167. "fire loves the kids (c) me via trick daddy"
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i should change my name to trick the mommy

  

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133. "i cant wait to start a family"
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144. "you're supposed to be preggers now then"
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WITH exsisting toddlers
if money/mindset/mate doesn't matter
&
if you go by what you and gemini are saying in this post.

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145. "wtf???"
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>WITH exsisting toddlers
>if money/mindset/mate doesn't matter
>&
>if you go by what you and gemini are saying in this post.

dude...did i say ANY of that?
show me where i said money/mindset/mate don't matter?


folks don't read mayne...

  

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150. "most of yall missed my point"
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i'm over it anyway

  

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156. "i replied to the wrong poster,my bad hypnotic"
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..but gemini

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157. "huh i just want one i also want a tudor mansion"
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doesnt mean ill get either one

  

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181. "WTF???"
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why are you mad at me for something i never even said?

ROFL

  

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i just thought you were diplaying a hint of hate in one post.
we're just debating, no anger.

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135. "I want them.... just not today."
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I don't have a thing to give them. because I don't have shit. I'm not married and I'm not doing the out of wedlock gig. My Mom did it with four and its left a sour taste in my mouth. Not that marraige is %100, but I'm going to try

When I get married, after a few years of figuring out some of what marraige means, I'll figure out what being a mother means.

But if I never get married, then I'll never have kids of my own. I may adopt or foster way in the future, though.

But to add. Its pretty hard for a guy to preach on this unless you can show me where there are men knocking down doors to put their careers down and become stay at home daddies. Or put their shit on hold for anybody.

  

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137. "LE SIGH."
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266. "^^Le Faible"
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Even flow,
thoughts arrive like butterflies
Oh, he don't know,
so he chases them away

(c) Pearl Jam

revive or ruin,
my theory on mic...
sony or aiwa,
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_I_ fit in all stereo-types

(c) Wordsworth

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138. "There is no culture in the world that I'm aware of"
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in which increased economic stability doesn't correlate with a lower reproductive rate. Why would black ppl be different?

( o )( o )

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258. "^^^they aren't hearing you. n/m"
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http://www.43things.com/person/kimluv

  

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140. "fuck having kids..."
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...for now.

...laters, when i'm situated and shit... maybe...

...selfish? yep. fucking right. spent eighteen years under my parents' roof. only right i should get to spend ten to fifteen of the next years doing my own shit without some anklebiter needing a bottle or new clothes or for me to stop drinking...

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141. "Go to surburbia...."
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Don't you think that your opinion is at all swayed because you live in NYC, where most people come for their career and not to raise a family....go out to suburbia and I'm sure your whole opinino would be different on this.
Shit..I went to more baby showers than graduation parties
I went home for christmas break and fools is married working on their 2nd child...mind you, I'm not even 21.


Besides people have the right to choose whether they do or do not want children...whatever their reasons are, rests solely upon them....your opinion and mines holds no weight.

  

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169. "most of my immediate family lives in & has always lived in suburbia"
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i know mad folks in nyc having babies...i'm saying though in that angelina post people were acting like it was a capital crime for a woman to compromise in her marriage & chuck out a kid.

  

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172. ""Compromise" and "have children" should NEVER be uttered in the same sen..."
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Like, EVER.

On edit:

Like, how does one "compromise" and bring forth a life that you are responsible for molding and shaping for the next 18 years or so? How does that work?

Learn me.

  

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177. "true that"
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something like having children, when you don't want them, should not be a compromise. that is some seriously life alterting shit. for many folks.

u shouldn't 'chuck out' a kid to make someone happy. u should be able to make that decision for yourself and not be attacked for it.

  

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183. "T, I'm just floored."
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The idea that a woman would advocate women "compromise" and have a baby to keep her husband is (not to mention what happens to the kid) ... like... I don't even have the words.

I seriously want to throw my computer.

  

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192. "fire is SO ANTI-DOING SHIT JUST TO KEEP A MAN"
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ITS NOT FUNNY, i would NEVER condone that....but marriage is a UNION of 2 people, not 1 & if beforehand 50% of that union says they are going to do something & they wait until after the union to renege on the deal......well, they've lied.

  

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194. "that's different"
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and has nothing to do with the original point of this post

i dont think anyone can argue that it is 'right' to agree to marry someone and having discussed significant life events and then change their minds and their mates have to deal. its not right. but folks can change their minds just like their mates can choose to leave them based off this

but that's not the point of your post

  

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195. "THANK YOU!"
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That's *not* what this post was about... AT. ALL.

  

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201. "in 183 u alluded to that being what this post was about"
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i answered it via t510....did i not? the whole of the post is about married thriving couples, yes.....the angelina/jennifer issue is what triggered it......again, i reiterate, for the millionth time, if a woman chooses not to birth fine, thats her choice

  

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204. "Fire, you're backpeddling."
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This post was *never* about changing your mind once you're married. NEVER. Fact is, we don't KNOW what happened in their marriage.

This post, as authored by you, was about...

a) Jennifer should've "compromised" and had Brad's kids to keep him;
b) "Upwardly mobile" black women should have children whether they want them or not, since, with AIDS in Africa and all, there won't be any of us left (c) Fire.

Those are YOUR WORDS (scroll up)... and they are the most ridiculously absurd and offensive mine eyes have seen from a woman here in a long time.

  

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206. "okay well lets erase every reply & start over:"
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(since u claim i'm backpedaling)

here is the gist/meat:

"when u fall in love with someone and decide that u want to spend the rest of ur life with them......all the good/bad times, sickness/health, richer/poorer, life/death do u part times, spooning, vacationing, holidays, commute to work, friendship.....besides the companionship factor....what the fuck is wrong with having a baby, starting a family and raising kids?...."


whats wrong with that, & why wait when u dont know if you'll ever get that fertile egg window open after a certain point & why were some people acting like a baby is a disease u wouldn't wanna catch?

  

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209. "LOL @ forget what I said."
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> (since u claim i'm backpedaling)
>
>here is the gist/meat:
But you know what... I'll play.

>"when u fall in love with someone and decide that u want to
>spend the rest of ur life with them......all the good/bad
>times, sickness/health, richer/poorer, life/death do u part
>times, spooning, vacationing, holidays, commute to work,
>friendship.....besides the companionship factor....what the
>fuck is wrong with having a baby, starting a family and
>raising kids?...."

Fire, what post are you reading? WHO SAID ANYTHING WAS WRONG WITH IT? Who? Point them out to me. You're not hearing b/c you don't want to. NO ONE. NOT ONE PERSON said anything is wrong with falling in love, and having a plethora of babies IF THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.

What we are saying is.... not everyone CHOOSES that life. And it doesn't make them selfish, or crazy, or anything LESS than adults exercising ADULT CHOICES. And your passing judgment on the folks who CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE THAT LIFE, is fucking crazy. I'm not obligated to populate the fucking nation/world/city/borough anymore than you are.
>
>
>whats wrong with that, & why wait when u dont know if you'll
>ever get that fertile egg window open after a certain point

Oh... now I can't even wait? I gotta have this baby right now b/c you say so? What in the damn?!?!?!

>why were some people acting like a baby is a disease u
>wouldn't wanna catch?

AGAIN... point me to the person that did this. PLEASE. Fire, you're not even making sense. No one is acting like a baby is a disease. And if they are, send up some thanks to the heavens that they DON'T and/or WON'T have children b/c those children deserve better.

We are arguing for a person's right to choose NOT TO, and are challenging your prehistoric notions that women (black or otherwise) are OBLIGATED to have children FOR THEIR HUSBANDS, or for any other reason aside from the fact that they CHOOSE TO DO SO.

What the fuck is so hard to understand about that?

This is clearly about some other shit with you b/c what you're suggesting is BEYOND absured.

  

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239. "RE: LOL @ forget what I said."
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>
>>"when u fall in love with someone and decide that u want to
>>spend the rest of ur life with them......all the good/bad
>>times, sickness/health, richer/poorer, life/death do u part
>>times, spooning, vacationing, holidays, commute to work,
>>friendship.....besides the companionship factor....what the
>>fuck is wrong with having a baby, starting a family and
>>raising kids?...."
>
>Fire, what post are you reading? WHO SAID ANYTHING WAS WRONG
>WITH IT? Who? Point them out to me.

u guys are acting like something is wrong with god forbid a married woman compromise & have a baby.

You're not hearing b/c
>you don't want to.

you want me to fully agree with you without giving some concession to my ideas.

NO ONE. NOT ONE PERSON said anything is
>wrong with falling in love, and having a plethora of babies IF
>THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.
>

so y the aggyness?


>What we are saying is.... not everyone CHOOSES that life.

i said the same thing.....

And
>it doesn't make them selfish, or crazy, or anything LESS than
>adults exercising ADULT CHOICES. And your passing judgment on
>the folks who CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE THAT LIFE, is fucking crazy.

i didn't pass judgement, i passed judgement on the folks in an uproar cuz one or 2 folks suggested that maybe having a baby isn't the worst idea in the world & it doesn't make u a "weak" individual to have one because thier spouse wants one...now if a woman doesn't want a baby she shouldnt have one...but if she's on the fence & her better half is fully in support of a kid she may get off that fence & have a baby....there's nothing wrong w/that either.
+

>I'm not obligated to populate the fucking
>nation/world/city/borough anymore than you are.

i haven't added to the population yet...i'm only speculating based on people that i know.


>>
>>
>>whats wrong with that, & why wait when u dont know if you'll
>>ever get that fertile egg window open after a certain point
>
>Oh... now I can't even wait? I gotta have this baby right now
>b/c you say so? What in the damn?!?!?!
>

i am the egg queen...kinda like the queen bee cept my worker eggbees (u guys) dont wanna listen.


>>why were some people acting like a baby is a disease u
>>wouldn't wanna catch?
>
>AGAIN... point me to the person that did this. PLEASE. Fire,
>you're not even making sense. No one is acting like a baby is
>a disease. And if they are, send up some thanks to the
>heavens that they DON'T and/or WON'T have children b/c those
>children deserve better.

im making sense, u just dont agree...its fine.


>
>We are arguing for a person's right to choose NOT TO, and are
>challenging your prehistoric notions that women (black or
>otherwise) are OBLIGATED to have children FOR THEIR HUSBANDS,
>or for any other reason aside from the fact that they CHOOSE
>TO DO SO.
>
>What the fuck is so hard to understand about that?
>
>This is clearly about some other shit with you b/c what you're
>suggesting is BEYOND absured.
>

its not absurd u just dont agree...its fine.

  

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246. "Fire, Fire, Fire."
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>u guys are acting like something is wrong with god forbid a
>married woman compromise & have a baby.

I asked how one compromises on having a baby several times and you've yet to answer. Please explain it b/c I can't, for the life of me, understand this as a concept.

I asked you. Begged you, in fact. To point me to the person who said having a baby "was like a disease." I'm still waiting for you to do that.

Aggy? Yeah, I was kinda. Like, I was (still am) genuinely perplexed as to how a seemingly smart and forward-thinking woman like yourself is actually advocating that women have babies that they don't want in the name of "compromising" with their spouses.
Like... HUH? Is that what's hot in the streets? Is this what we're telling our young girls now?

"Sis, I know you may not want children, but if your husband does you should COMPROMISE, and give him one."

What in the damn?


>
> You're not hearing b/c
>>you don't want to.
>
>you want me to fully agree with you without giving some
>concession to my ideas.
>
> NO ONE. NOT ONE PERSON said anything is
>>wrong with falling in love, and having a plethora of babies
>IF
>>THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.
>>
>
>so y the aggyness?
>
>
>>What we are saying is.... not everyone CHOOSES that life.
>
>i said the same thing.....
>
> And
>>it doesn't make them selfish, or crazy, or anything LESS
>than
>>adults exercising ADULT CHOICES. And your passing judgment
>on
>>the folks who CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE THAT LIFE, is fucking crazy.
>
>
>i didn't pass judgement, i passed judgement on the folks in an
>uproar cuz one or 2 folks suggested that maybe having a baby
>isn't the worst idea in the world & it doesn't make u a "weak"
>individual to have one because thier spouse wants one

No one said this, Fire. I ask again, please point out the person who did.

...now if
>a woman doesn't want a baby she shouldnt have one...but if
>she's on the fence & her better half is fully in support of a
>kid she may get off that fence & have a baby....there's
>nothing wrong w/that either.

Fire, that's not what you said. In fact, you've never said "if she's on the fence."

You said, "if you have the money you should have/adopt children b/c with AIDS in Africa, wont' be no more black folks left."

Your words. Not mine.


  

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184. "there is always compromise in child rearing"
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ur immediate freedom is gone (unless u have a 24 hour nanny), there will be times @ night when u'll wanna sleep but jr decides that he just aint gonna let u, u may have to spend that st barts vacation money on school tuition...but in the long run ive seen the pluses of parenthood for even the most "i dont wanna kid people" & it's rare that ive seen a good person end up hating being a parent....they always tell me its the BEST thing that ever happened to them....&this is coming from people that were 2 days away from an abortion clinic.

  

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187. "Compromising in child rearing"
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and compromising whether or not you want to have a child in the first place are two VASTLY different ideas.

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190. "EXACTLY. wtf?"
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deciding to breast feed vs formular != deciding to even have a kid at all

  

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191. "Like is it ME?!?!?!?!?"
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We ain't talking about bathing and burping, we're talking about the decision to bring a life that you are solely responsible for, in this world.

W.T.F.?????

  

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193. "RE: Compromising in child rearing"
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>and compromising whether or not you want to have a child in
>the first place are two VASTLY different ideas.

i know that but if ahead of time u say ure gonna do something & then change ur mind after the fact...u've compromised ur honor.

  

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196. "no that is not"
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that is changing your mind
its not right considering this is someone's life plans your fucking with in the process
but folks do have that choice

  

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203. "how many wonderful people do u know that are here"
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even tho thier parents weren't "ready"? i want all of u to think about that hard...i'm the only child out of 4 that was planned...& i'm the third child...my two older sister were unplanned, we're not ready pregnancies

  

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207. "That doesn't really have anything to do with what we're discussing thoug..."
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The idea that a mother or father will get their shit together once the baby arrives, that they will look innto those pretty eyes and forget whatever trepidation they had before the pregnancy, is some naive, fairy tale stuff. It's not based in reality.

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200. "i look down on ppl that have children just to keep their spouses happy"
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i have a friend thats been swearing up and down for 13 years that she'd never have children...now she's with a man that wants kids and she's all like, ok, well i GUESS i'll squeeze out one FOR HIM...i'm like WTF?

i think its poor judgement to choose a mother or father for your children that is reluctant about being a parent...

the decision to have a child is not something someone should coerce someone else into...either you want children or you dont...its just that simple...personally i wouldnt even consider having a relationship with someone that was even iffy about having kids...i want them to be as gung-ho about it as i am...

  

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175. "It's just part of being America"
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a sick sense of agreed that grows into the most of unholy of beasts....Americans...lol

  

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176. "i want babies so badly"
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like...right now. I mean, my common sense and professional goals help keep my impulses at bay, but shit yeah i want 'em.

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182. "it's not the move if u say it's not the move..."
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no one has to qualify it
actually u can't by one sweepin measure
there are lots of women who want it all
they just ain't
but they may not be tellin u why
they may not be havin babies because they're infertile
& that's some "white woman" shit
they or their men may be HIV+
that's some "gay ass shit"
if they really are successful
chances are they may be supportin a household not their own already
sister strung out, leavin 3 babies on grandma
that's some "crack-ish shit"
or like alot of women
they think they have all the time in the world
that's some "man shit"
it could be: my ovaries, my time
that's "new nigger shit"

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205. "they dont hear u though"
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>or like alot of women
>they think they have all the time in the world
>that's some "man shit"


ovariy eggs last as long as sperm...well into our 80's right?

  

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230. "i don't know if that's altogher true..."
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i know when u're born u have all the eggs u're ever goin to have
but when u go thru menopause
u're body stops releasin those eggs
now i don't know what actually happens to those eggs in ur body
i mean
all providin
i'm thinkin someone should be able to extract them & implant them in someone else
but i'm certain age & other influences determine their viability

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199. "Kids are so annoying, though."
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Like, I went to this one year old's bday party on Saturday and couldn't leave fast enough.
All this crying and whining and neediness. I'm so over it.

  

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202. "*aborts post w/the RU-487 post pill*"
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208. ""
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im pissed off i missed it.
dammit.

  

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210. "cuz i HATE being misconstrued"
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hate.it....@ that point i just wanna kill the post....most of the people in here totally missed the posts desired direction. i just wanted a question answered, not for people to feel like i was attacking them.

  

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211. "but you DID attack them"
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how can you not see that?

  

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212. "I don't think you're being very reasonable here"
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Look at what you gave folks to work with. A bunch of times people even asked you what you meant by the whole "selfish" thing and you never responded to them. Nobody can figure out what you mean on a message board unless you make it clear. Going by what you typed, I don't think folks were wrong to react the way they did. If you meant something different that what you typed, you didn't do a very good job of explaining it. Greg loves the kids though. Who wanna go half on one?

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240. "dont be whoring in my post!"
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>it. Greg loves the kids though. Who wanna go half on one?

  

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214. "attacks"
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>>"anti-baby machine"

(The title alone is sort of an attack.)

>>and why all of a sudden are young upwardly mobile black women against giving birth? and/or adopting some disenfranchised kids?...like seriously?

This is like saying just because folks make money they are automatically supposed to want kids. Some people, poor or rich just don't want or need children.


>>u got some kind of success and u just wanna keep it to yourself?

*attack*


if u dont like kids fine, understood, but otherwise what's the fuss (c) stevie?... my mother worked her whole life making lots of dough birthed 4 great children and still got her career on and still had a great marriage and life with my father....im trying to understand why having babies is all of sudden "not the move"?

Yay Momma!! More power to you but why is it not okay if I don't wanna be like fire's Momma??

Then you started calling folks selfish and brainwashed in later replies.




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241. "RE: attacks"
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>>>"anti-baby machine"
>
> (The title alone is sort of an attack.)
>
>>>and why all of a sudden are young upwardly mobile black
>women against giving birth? and/or adopting some
>disenfranchised kids?...like seriously?
>
>This is like saying just because folks make money they are
>automatically supposed to want kids. Some people, poor or rich
>just don't want or need children.+

that is NOT what i meant, at all


>
>
>>>u got some kind of success and u just wanna keep it to
>yourself?
>
>*attack*
>

no thats not an attack, an attack would be:

u got some kind of success and ur spoiled selfish ass doesn't wanna share it with some kids?...u're fucked up.

see, thats an attack.


>
> if u dont like kids fine, understood, but otherwise what's
>the fuss (c) stevie?... my mother worked her whole life making
>lots of dough birthed 4 great children and still got her
>career on and still had a great marriage and life with my
>father....im trying to understand why having babies is all of
>sudden "not the move"?
>
>Yay Momma!! More power to you but why is it not okay if I
>don't wanna be like fire's Momma??
>

my momma is the shit.


>Then you started calling folks selfish and brainwashed in
>later replies.
>
>

some folks are selfish and brainwashed & some just know what the hell they want out of life...tis all.
>
>
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215. "yeah. welcome to my world."
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that whole angelina thread was one misunderstanding after another



just dont take it TOO seriously
you can always just log off


fuck that.
you FIRE!!!
and you got the OK symbol of power!
You can DELETE your OWN SHIT!





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245. "girl, i've been fighting these folks for over 6 years, i gives a fuck"
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i'm the queen of drama.

  

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216. "youre doing a nika"
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if you feel like youre being misconstrued, you can always express yourself better *shrugs*

  

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217. "*places coat over Fire's head and runs her past the paparazzi*"
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fuck you.

  

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218. "Fire, you words aren't being misconstrued. You did attack."
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219. "yeah...i don't---*smh* nevermind."
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247. "Soulpsychedelicide your words are attacking!"
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249. "O."
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259. ""
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>>most of the people in here totally missed the posts desired direction. i just wanted a question answered, not for people to feel like i was attacking them.<<<







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220. "not everyone should be a parent"
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there are a gang of unfit parents out there, and if someone is admitting that they are too selfish to have a kid, what's wrong with that?

kids aren't for everyone man

for the longest time, i never wanted kids
neva!
i couldn't stand them

the only reason why i want them now is because i've found a person i feel could help me to become a good parent and it would be great to have a mini-us.

  

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221. "I think motherfuckers should have to apply for kids like its a mortgage."
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Like on some, "Okay your paperwork seems complete, we'll contact you when we make our decision" type shit.

  

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260. "i.e. China?"
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: )

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222. "i want a grip of kids"
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my little neice is about six months old, she's truly the light of my life

i need some for myself, but not for like five or six years. i'm not mature enough for all that.

  

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223. "I'm too late to this post, but can I just say that iont get the"
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big deal.

like, why the hell would a person WANT to have
kids?? that shit looks painful. plus, damn,
there are already enough kids here on earth.
why not just take care of one that doesnt already
have a mommy or daddy if u wanna take care of
something so badly?

it just seems like having kids is a hellova
vain thing to do, yahnamean.



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224. "why do ppl want kids?"
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i want children because first and foremost i LOVE to love and to give and i think children are the only ppl that are capable of absorbing all the love and nurturing and education i can give them...also because i love life and i want to produce more beings that can love life too...(yeah i know cliche)

i admit it is kind of vain...it must be bugged out to have a creature walking around with the characteristics of yourself and the person you love...its like, theyre more important to you than you are yourself, but at the same time, theyre better than you becasue you can teach them from your mistakes and give them things you didnt have...which kind of makes them the ultimate pet project lol...

  

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225. "I still dont get it."
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first of all, its not like whatchu described.

raising a child is HARD work.
no lie. I've got a bunch of nieces
and nephew and I help out with em.
and its hard.

plus, it just never made much sense to me
that ppl would wanna PLAN on giving birth knowing
dag on well there are some cherubs here already
that need someone to love and care for them.
it doesnt seem fair or right.

nope. I see little kids everyday who dont have anyone
to properly take care of em and its a cotdamn shame...
such talent, beauty and hopefulness that will never
get realised cuz not enough ppl care.

nah, I'm mos def gonna adopt; if I "accidentally" get married
and get prego, okay. but, Imma mos def adopt me a couple o' little ppl
word.



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238. "i know its hard work"
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but personally i think its worth it...i believe it is everything like i described it and then some...

as far as adoption goes if i cant have any children myself i most def. would like to adopt but honestly i would prefer for the entire cycle of life--falling in love, getting married, getting pregnant, giving birth, breastfeeding and raising children...

  

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226. "Folks is selfish, plain and simple...."
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if you got a kid, it ain't about you no more, its about them and putting their needs first. They can't hit Ladies Night and get free drinks before 10 if they don't have a babysitter for lil' Rayquan, so they just choose to not have em......



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227. "OMG! This shit is contagious."
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*administers cooty shots*

Idiots.

  

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229. "wow! I thought u were smarter than this"
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"It's an epidemic!"


          

  

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231. "."
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233. "Let me clarify...."
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especially for you since, your taste in sneakers not withstanding, you're one of the people on here I like.

Maybe I shouldn't have generalized, but I know a few of the women that Fire was talking about in the original post, young, black, professional, educated women who don't want kids. The majority of them state that they don't want kids cause they'll "get in the way" of what they want to do. They say that kids are too expensive, and that they'd rather spend that money on themselves at the mall. That to me is a selfish way of thinking. Are they wrong for it? I don't think so, this is America and one of the great things about this country is you have that right to choose. But I still will think that you are selfish for thinking that way, because you're only concerned about yourself and no one else.

That said, if someone really doesn't want kids or doesn't like kids, they're better off not having kids. Its enough kids that are in this world who had mammies and pappies who didn't want them, we don't need people to continue to add to the pile. Kids are expensive and a lot of hard work, I should know, I got 2 of em. But at the same time, they are two of the biggest blessings I have in my life......



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234. "i respect your right to your opinion"
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i disagree totally
for the kind of mindset that you talked about in your post
to be considered selfish
in my opinion
would mean that having kids are some type of requirement or obligation
and they arent
to be classified as selfish one would have to be putting less important things over some type of obligation
kids arent an obligation
ppl just have different priorities
being selfish is spending grocery money on nike dunks
putting something that isnt a necessity over something that is
kids arent a necessity
i also think its talking doublesided
to say that its selfish not to have children then turn right around and say that if someone doesnt want kids they shouldnt have them
which one is it?
yall cant play both sides of the fence
just stick with saying you think its selfish, event ho ppl will disagree
at least you have stuck to your obvious convictions
which is more respectable than fence straddling
also nobody has examined why ppl have kids
and all the "selfish" reasons that can accompany that
i mean really
if someone is selfish for not having kids, at least they arent effecting anyone but themselves
while those who take the other route have the potential to not only cause stress in their lives, but cause it to a human being who hasnt even asked to come here

also dont hate on my kicks

hee hee
im browsing shoe sites right now!
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235. "OK......"
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>i disagree totally
>for the kind of mindset that you talked about in your post
>to be considered selfish
>in my opinion
>would mean that having kids are some type of requirement or
>obligation
>and they arent
>to be classified as selfish one would have to be putting less
>important things over some type of obligation
>kids arent an obligation
>ppl just have different priorities
>being selfish is spending grocery money on nike dunks
>putting something that isnt a necessity over something that
>is
>kids arent a necessity

I see what you're saying here. Kids aren't an obligation or a necessity.....


>i also think its talking doublesided
>to say that its selfish not to have children then turn right
>around and say that if someone doesnt want kids they shouldnt
>have them
>which one is it?
>yall cant play both sides of the fence

I don't see it as fence straddling. I can say that I believe that you're doing something wrong, and at the same time say that as an adult you have the right to do that. Zorasmoon posted a couple of weeks ago about shacking up with her boyfriend. Do I think that shacking is wrong? Of course. But does Zora have the right to do that as a grown ass woman? Of course she does.

Its kinda how your parents will tell you once you reach adulthood that they may disagree with some of the decisions you've made, but as an adult you have the right to make those decisions.....

>just stick with saying you think its selfish, event ho ppl
>will disagree

event ho???? LOL, I know what you meant though.....

>also nobody has examined why ppl have kids
>and all the "selfish" reasons that can accompany that
>i mean really
>if someone is selfish for not having kids, at least they arent
>effecting anyone but themselves
>while those who take the other route have the potential to not
>only cause stress in their lives, but cause it to a human
>being who hasnt even asked to come here

Yeah, some people do have kids for selfish reasons (trying to keep a man, get child support, tax writeoff, etc.), they're wrong too....

>also dont hate on my kicks
>
>hee hee
>im browsing shoe sites right now!
>:p
>

I had to throw that in there. I can't wait for March 9th to get here so I can design some custom all-white Air Max 95s......



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236. "RE: OK......"
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lmao@event ho

even tho

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262. "as long as they're taking care of themselves ..."
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they've earned the right to be "selfish".

Hell, fiscally, people who choose NOT to have children
drain the least resources (i.e. pay MORE in taxes)
and topped off with the fact that they receive higher incomes....

ironically, in many ways, you are indebted to them
because the imbalance weighs in your favor.

All those sweet deductions and child tax credits that
you enjoy for your dependents wouldn't be made possible
without all of those "selfish" child-less professionals you detest.

So why all the hate? Are you jealous or something?

Just because children easily filled your life's "void"
does not mean thats the way for everyone.

Everyone on this planet has their own
personal spiritual journey to lead fulfilling life
via their own personal CHOICES in THEIR terms.

Yes, even if those terms are informed by Ayn Rand School.







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261. "^^^^I've been more disgusted by the parents in this post!"
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they are the worst in this post.


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228. "a lot of people claim they do not want to have children"
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i'm all for it. hopefully, i'll meet the rite beau sooner or later, we'll build, spend some years together, then start our own little legacy...

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232. "a pet rock has a higher IQ than this post"
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248. "ahhh shaddup!"
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237. "its not that they dont want them."
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it just makes them feel subserviant when they say it. For some reason alot of women upwardly mobile women see babies and think of being "barefoot and pregnant"

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244. ":-)"
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251. "KOKU said it best..."
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>>>lol @ viewing children as the ultimate sacrifice. <<

so please, get over yourself.
having children doesn't raise you up to some higher moral regard
over others that haven't.



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havin them w/in a marriage does


okay

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265. "Without children there's no point of couples and marriage."
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ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh

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267. "wow. this post got ressurected."
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or however you spell it.
why?

  

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: )


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