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"so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam"


  

          

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Feb 02nd 2006
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RE: ?
Feb 02nd 2006
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dude, they fired the editor.
Feb 02nd 2006
2
they've reprinted the cartoons all over Europe
Feb 02nd 2006
4
      what's all over europe?
Feb 02nd 2006
5
its the world's favorite new past time
Feb 02nd 2006
6
yeah thats nothing new but this blatant vulgar disrespect
Feb 02nd 2006
7
I heard about this on BBC a while back
Feb 02nd 2006
8
holy-shit-fit. nice
Feb 02nd 2006
9
      *bows*
Feb 02nd 2006
10
europeans are racist assholes
Feb 02nd 2006
11
is this statement intended to be ironic?
Feb 02nd 2006
13
RE: is this statement intended to be ironic?
Feb 02nd 2006
15
      i JUST now saw this post.
Feb 02nd 2006
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           RE: i JUST now saw this post.
Feb 03rd 2006
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should i remind u of 400 yrs?
Feb 02nd 2006
16
      who do u think started that
Feb 02nd 2006
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           but who kept it going on for decades after abolishment
Feb 02nd 2006
20
                are u really comparing the damage that America
Feb 02nd 2006
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                     ur comparing. i'm stating. deal wit it. america's racist. so's europe
Feb 02nd 2006
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                          no one said america isn't racist. he didnt and i certainly
Feb 02nd 2006
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                               nice attempt but it's clear where BOTH of y'all were coming from.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                    life must be harsh being this ignorant
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                         ad hominems abound in this post
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                              fool
Feb 03rd 2006
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i guess they're still mad about theo van gogh.
Feb 02nd 2006
12
RE: i guess they're still mad about theo van gogh.
Feb 02nd 2006
18
what does denmark has to do with theo van gogh?
Feb 03rd 2006
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      they're farther ahead on the One Europe thing over there than here
Feb 03rd 2006
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      danish, dutch, it's all the same shit.
Feb 04th 2006
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Yea I peeped it,
Feb 02nd 2006
14
white ppl gonna learn u reap what u sow
Feb 02nd 2006
22
get over it.
Feb 02nd 2006
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I concur
Feb 03rd 2006
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but I guarantee you...
Feb 03rd 2006
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is dressing up as jesus
Feb 03rd 2006
30
      of course it is.
Feb 03rd 2006
37
           scripture please?
Feb 03rd 2006
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                you need scripture to know not to blaspheme your own religion?
Feb 03rd 2006
40
                     im not xtian
Feb 03rd 2006
45
                          does that make you devoid of common sense too?
Feb 03rd 2006
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                               RE: does that make you devoid of common sense too?
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                    lemme get this straight..
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                         you dont even have an idea of what this convo is about
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                              I didn't make up anything.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                                   i am not trying to back out of anything
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                                        here's an idea: read the book.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                                             LMAO!
Feb 03rd 2006
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                                                             Read the sig...
Feb 03rd 2006
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puhleeze
Feb 03rd 2006
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RE: puhleeze
Feb 03rd 2006
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      Islam is not being sheltered
Feb 03rd 2006
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           oh boy
Feb 03rd 2006
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                well you could of said that from the go
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     wow
Feb 03rd 2006
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                          aight kiko
Feb 03rd 2006
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this is the dumbest reasoning in the history of man
Feb 03rd 2006
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ok so it wasnt just me
Feb 03rd 2006
34
      no this is coming from a NON-religious homo
Feb 03rd 2006
43
More likely they had some respect about them
Feb 03rd 2006
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u r so fuccing far gone, does being conservative = no respect?
Feb 03rd 2006
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right. Like they have respect for Christians.
Feb 03rd 2006
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      my heart goes out for those HOWEVER, there not forced to be there
Feb 03rd 2006
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      that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
Feb 03rd 2006
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      wow, you've heard alot retarded things lately it seems...
Feb 03rd 2006
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           so when the US gov't rounds up Muslims and throws them
Feb 03rd 2006
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                Not when the government cries foul about Geneva
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     u might want to read the exchange
Feb 03rd 2006
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                          My bad. I just really wanted to say that. I blame
Feb 03rd 2006
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                               RE: My bad. I just really wanted to say that. I blame
Feb 03rd 2006
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      RE: my heart goes out for those HOWEVER, there not forced to be there
Feb 03rd 2006
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      You obviously generalize when it comes to Muslims,
Feb 03rd 2006
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      I'm not generalizing anything.
Feb 03rd 2006
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      No, no.
Feb 03rd 2006
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           I didn't defend hatred; I defended free speech.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                Listen, little bigoted boy.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     WOW@this exchange!!
Feb 03rd 2006
139
                          Say something of substance or dont post at all.
Feb 03rd 2006
155
      good one.
Feb 03rd 2006
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      i agree with you, see post #93
Feb 03rd 2006
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      like i said, u seem really far gone
Feb 03rd 2006
51
           the logic isnt allowed to flow both ways
Feb 03rd 2006
53
           dialogue is always good IMO
Feb 03rd 2006
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           a few? Naive simp.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                Hey J.C. Watts...put a sock in it...you starting to give me a headache
Feb 03rd 2006
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                LMAO@ naive simp
Feb 03rd 2006
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                Yes, a few.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     I think he knows he's being dumb
Feb 03rd 2006
144
RE: get over it.
Feb 03rd 2006
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COSIGN!!!!!!!!!
Feb 04th 2006
184
I see a whole bunch of "Honor" killings resulting from this shit
Feb 03rd 2006
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^^^ "these mofos= "you people" in this context it seems
Feb 03rd 2006
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      I'm agnostic so..... hatred and intolerence is christians pastime too
Feb 03rd 2006
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           thats better....
Feb 03rd 2006
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           You're ignorant. Slap yourself.
Feb 03rd 2006
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           idiocy.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                WTF@last 3 responses!?!?!?!
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     I was being sarcastic manye...calm down and fall back..
Feb 05th 2006
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so many funny quotes!
Feb 03rd 2006
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RE: so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam
Feb 03rd 2006
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your free to talk about my mom. but if you do expect me to pop you
Feb 03rd 2006
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nice...its that simple...
Feb 03rd 2006
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RE: your free to talk about my mom. but if you do expect me to pop you
Feb 03rd 2006
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      wrong. if someone insults you on a personal issue for no reason
Feb 03rd 2006
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           RE: wrong. if someone insults you on a personal issue for no reason
Feb 04th 2006
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COSIGN...I feel like they trying run the world right now
Feb 03rd 2006
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If u really want to end terrorism talk to the people in power in D.C.
Feb 03rd 2006
142
      W H A T ????
Feb 03rd 2006
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           RE: W H A T ????
Feb 03rd 2006
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           the biggest terrorist in the world are sitting in Washington D.C.
Feb 03rd 2006
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                W H A T!!??!?!?!?!?!?
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     how is he wrong? american presidents
Feb 03rd 2006
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*****EXACTLY!*****
Feb 03rd 2006
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pretty much.
Feb 04th 2006
189
Feb 03rd 2006
78
now THAT's interesting.....didn't know that...
Feb 03rd 2006
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Feb 03rd 2006
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      I knew about the banned import goods into UAE/KSA but U didn't know
Feb 03rd 2006
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      Yep, last time they asked was only 5 days ago
Feb 03rd 2006
84
      actually the boycott extends beyond danish products
Feb 03rd 2006
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      you know Turkey is a huge trading partner with the EU
Feb 03rd 2006
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      the context has somehow (or purposefully) gotten lost
Feb 03rd 2006
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           well said
Feb 03rd 2006
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           i never took it as an overreaction....
Feb 03rd 2006
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           thanks for that tidbit...
Feb 03rd 2006
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                oh definitely
Feb 05th 2006
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Feb 03rd 2006
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exactly
Feb 03rd 2006
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when mankind feels the need to defend their god
Feb 03rd 2006
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God's cool either way
Feb 03rd 2006
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      no doubt-
Feb 03rd 2006
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they also got published in Kuwait, Morocco, Jordan & Bahrain
Feb 03rd 2006
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and also i want to say
Feb 03rd 2006
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the more europe is confronted with "the other,"
Feb 03rd 2006
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reading this post makes it so clear...
Feb 03rd 2006
95
What kinda Kumbaya shit is this?
Feb 04th 2006
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Nothing is above mockery
Feb 03rd 2006
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Religion Is Wack.
Feb 03rd 2006
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fuck ISLAM(e)
Feb 03rd 2006
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^^^^^^^^5555555555
Feb 03rd 2006
One thing that's wack about European society is their
Feb 03rd 2006
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i don't really see this
Feb 03rd 2006
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Nah...America is more of a "melting pot" jawn.
Feb 03rd 2006
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Yep
Feb 03rd 2006
145
RE: One thing that's wack about European society is their
Feb 06th 2006
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While it was disrespectful, some of the reaction are overboard
Feb 03rd 2006
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exactly, and the chicken shit media won't say a damn thing
Feb 03rd 2006
128
If the New York Times printed a Cartoon of Jesus watching.....
Feb 03rd 2006
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but would muthafuckas THREATEN TO KILL PEOPLE OVER IT!?!
Feb 03rd 2006
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Of course they would and have: Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh
Feb 03rd 2006
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...........BWAAHAHHAHAHA!!!!
Feb 03rd 2006
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Ann Coulter's crazy ass probably would
Feb 03rd 2006
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they dont run cartoons
Feb 03rd 2006
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Well aware of that, the reason I used it was because it supposedly
Feb 03rd 2006
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here's the difference
Feb 04th 2006
185
      A lot of people Support Pat Robertson, that nigga aint starvin for
Feb 05th 2006
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i just think the world can't wait for a global disaster....
Feb 03rd 2006
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I agree, althought I can't belee u put 9/11 in there.
Feb 03rd 2006
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global economy shit doh'
Feb 03rd 2006
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      you know how much commerce was borne out that shit?
Feb 03rd 2006
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yeah
Feb 03rd 2006
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the whole "controversy" is extremly funny...
Feb 03rd 2006
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There is this thing of respect.
Feb 03rd 2006
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      WHAT DO YOU WANT DENMARK TO DO ?
Feb 03rd 2006
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           Bongo, I want them to
Feb 03rd 2006
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           see i can understand that people feel personally offended
Feb 03rd 2006
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                Theres a deep history here that you either don't know or choose
Feb 03rd 2006
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           Fatah's trying to get their street cred back
Feb 03rd 2006
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                THEY ALL DO. All Of Them...
Feb 03rd 2006
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Islam needs a better Public Relations department
Feb 03rd 2006
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Let's see Pat Robertson can say homosexuals caused 9-11
Feb 03rd 2006
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Nothing on this planet is above mockery...
Feb 03rd 2006
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So we should break out the Jiggaboo cartoons and blackface
Feb 03rd 2006
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      Here's my problem
Feb 03rd 2006
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           I don't think the insurgents needed any more urging to aim
Feb 03rd 2006
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                you didnt even address the points, so this is hopeless
Feb 03rd 2006
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                     likewise. You brought up that some "group" lol at that first of all
Feb 03rd 2006
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                          If you're lookin for small minded people
Feb 03rd 2006
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                               get your heart clean before you talk to me.
Feb 03rd 2006
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pretty good Op-Ed piece from the Guardian
Feb 03rd 2006
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i dig this.
Feb 03rd 2006
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I like the Guardian and all but...
Feb 04th 2006
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      like the writer said, there's not really a legal remedy for this
Feb 04th 2006
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           which is what I said above, nor do I believe there should be
Feb 05th 2006
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                the other side:
Feb 05th 2006
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                it makes some good points
Feb 05th 2006
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                     RE: it makes some good points
Feb 05th 2006
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                          the Aborigenes are free to come to terms with writing however they like
Feb 06th 2006
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                what were the stories about then?
Feb 05th 2006
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                     RE: what were the stories about then?
Feb 05th 2006
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                          I really don't think that's equivalent
Feb 06th 2006
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They're BURNING Danish Flags like those shits are American. nm.
Feb 03rd 2006
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Burning flags is so fuckin Passe...
Feb 03rd 2006
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      Don't worry the gulf is banning Danish products as well
Feb 03rd 2006
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my thoughts
Feb 03rd 2006
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Muhammed is not a deity for muslims he is a Prophet.
Feb 04th 2006
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yea i know, thats what i meant n/m
Feb 04th 2006
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^^^The post can end here.
Feb 04th 2006
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^^^The post can end here.
Feb 04th 2006
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RE: ^^^The post can end here.
Feb 05th 2006
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      RE: ^^^The post can end here.
Feb 05th 2006
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           RE: ^^^The post can end here.
Feb 05th 2006
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okay...so this means those cartoonists should be killed
Feb 05th 2006
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not for nothing, but jesus isn't a deity.
Feb 08th 2006
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RE: so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam
Feb 04th 2006
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you should read more. or not.
Feb 04th 2006
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      ^^555 notice in this individuals responses
Feb 04th 2006
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           RE: ^^555 notice in this individuals responses
Feb 04th 2006
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                so simply minded...
Feb 06th 2006
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to me, bits in this thread is actually kinda offensive
Feb 05th 2006
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extremism is not bad if it is ISLAM/MUSLIM
Feb 05th 2006
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      Your premise is wrong
Feb 05th 2006
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           okay the press doesnt like islam
Feb 05th 2006
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                YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE!
Feb 05th 2006
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                     RE: YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE!
Feb 05th 2006
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                          so why post it?
Feb 05th 2006
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                               RE: so why post it?
Feb 05th 2006
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                                    i said
Feb 05th 2006
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                                         RE: i said
Feb 05th 2006
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ALL of this is helping the Bush Administration
Feb 05th 2006
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and all we have to do is observe the countless scandels
Feb 06th 2006
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Can't forget about Libby, Plame gate, illegal spying
Feb 06th 2006
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      you're reaching. none of that was done "in the name" of christianity
Feb 06th 2006
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           Well except the President calling people evil doers and saying
Feb 06th 2006
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cut it out already
Feb 06th 2006
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RE: so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam
Feb 06th 2006
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Tshirt view of history. tell some Sikh ppl how great Ghandi was
Feb 07th 2006
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Free speech in Europe....unless you deny the holocaust
Feb 07th 2006
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not even close
Feb 07th 2006
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same damn thing. Free speech for insulting others
Feb 07th 2006
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      I'm not surprised that you cannot see the difference....
Feb 08th 2006
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europe is not a country
Feb 08th 2006
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Teknontheou
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1. "?"
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Ason
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3. "RE: ?"
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http://www.yobserver.com/news_9407.php

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hyde
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2. "dude, they fired the editor."
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-k-
q.e.p.d.

una y otra vez

  

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Ason
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4. "they've reprinted the cartoons all over Europe"
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in a what the fuck yu gonna do about it
stance. bold.

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hyde
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5. "what's all over europe?"
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Thu Feb-02-06 10:00 PM by hyde

  

          

the fronch guy that got fired was the last one i heard of

i think i need to see these cartoons

edit- oh, shat, that really is all over europe

"As European Newspapers republished controversial images of the Muslim prophet Muhammad from a Danish daily, the cultural conflict between the Islamic world and the West over the drawings continued to flare around the world.

Across the political spectrum, European editors said publishing the images was a defense of freedom of expression. The images, which first appeared in the conservative Danish daily Jylands Posten in September, were republished this week in Die Welt, a leading conservative daily in Germany, France Soir, a independent daily with financial problems, de Volkskrant, a progressive Dutch daily, and Corriere della Serra, a leftist Italian daily, along with eight other European papers. "

O_O

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6. "its the world's favorite new past time"
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At the very least, one can agree that having the people who have victimized you quantify your mistreatment invokes a sizable conflict of interest.

  

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Ason
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7. "yeah thats nothing new but this blatant vulgar disrespect"
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towards the Prohet of Islam......
new low

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8. "I heard about this on BBC a while back"
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*shakes head*

but the world throws a holy shit fit when an artist smears the Virgin Mary with elephant dung (both things are traditionally seen as assisting in fertility)

"In a completely rational society the best of us would be teachers and the rest of us would have to settle for something else." -Lee Iococca

  

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9. "holy-shit-fit. nice"
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10. "*bows*"
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completely unintentional

"In a completely rational society the best of us would be teachers and the rest of us would have to settle for something else." -Lee Iococca

  

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11. "europeans are racist assholes"
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13. "is this statement intended to be ironic?"
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Thu Feb-02-06 10:43 PM by Stringer Bell

          

forgive me my sarcasm detector broke a long time ago reading a squeeg post.

  

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15. "RE: is this statement intended to be ironic?"
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Thu Feb-02-06 11:05 PM by AZ

          

>forgive me my sarcasm detector broke a long time ago reading
>a squeeg post.

no, you just don't know what irony is

  

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19. "i JUST now saw this post."
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this second.

i do know what irony is, that's why i asked, is the statement "europeans are racist assholes" meant to be ironic?

because uh, it seems to imply that racism is a bad thing...and yet, i can't for the life of me figure out how someone who took this position could nevertheless, *sincerely* (without irony) make such a blanket statement about europeans. not that "european" is a race per se, but it still seems contradictory.

what am i missing here? if it's the imperfect parallel between "racism" and anti-european sentiment ("regionalism?" "continentalism"?), i am prepared to be educated on this.

  

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154. "RE: i JUST now saw this post."
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>what am i missing here? if it's the imperfect parallel
>between "racism" and anti-european sentiment ("regionalism?"
>"continentalism"?), i am prepared to be educated on this.

"imperfect parallel?" There is no parallel.

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16. "should i remind u of 400 yrs?"
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"Exploited by many, understood by few" - J-Live

  

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17. "who do u think started that"
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20. "but who kept it going on for decades after abolishment"
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bringing about the need for a war. and lets not get started on the near extinction of a whole race from their native homeland (and i'm not talking bout blacks either).

"Exploited by many, understood by few" - J-Live

  

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21. "are u really comparing the damage that America"
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has caused as opposed to Europeans over race? You have to be kidding me. I'd suggest taking some world history classes because Europe's been around much longer than the US and besides slavery, you can tie much of the strife in Africa, India/Pakistan border conflict, the Holocaust and numerous other racial travesties back to the continent. Get some perspective, then talk to me

  

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23. "ur comparing. i'm stating. deal wit it. america's racist. so's europe"
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things is dude said europe is racist as if america isn't that's what i had a problem wit. i ain't here to compare devils wit cha so U go get some perspective.

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24. "no one said america isn't racist. he didnt and i certainly"
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didn't either. When you sign up for those history courses, see if they're offering reading classes too

  

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32. "nice attempt but it's clear where BOTH of y'all were coming from."
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u can shove ur history book. use some common sense.

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118. "life must be harsh being this ignorant"
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141. "ad hominems abound in this post"
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when people back yall in2 a corner, bust out the personal insults. it's like this in EVERY SINGLE POST ON OKp.COM THAT IS CRITICAL OF ISLAM...

this isn't because folks are die hard islamists, its because its the "in" thing to be right now to be against christianity. its "in" to DEFEND the folks who we are currently @ war with. this is why these muthafuckas can blow up all female schools and behead a different person a week, video tape it, AND scream "god is great" WHILE they are doing it and nobody says anything...

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173. "fool"
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thats like some white man saying 'those people all piss on little girls' because of something some foo did.

As far as Europeans being rasicist - everyone is racist, but lets not forget that untill 1771 White Americans were Europeans.

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12. "i guess they're still mad about theo van gogh."
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haven't seen the cartoons but it sounds like an inappropriate way of dealing with the issue on the newspaper's part.

depictions of sacred figures of religion (particularly islam) tied together with a political message are usually in very poor taste.

sounds like they are almost baiting islamic radicals to try some shit. that's the only part of it i actually like.

  

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18. "RE: i guess they're still mad about theo van gogh."
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>sounds like they are almost baiting islamic radicals to try
>some shit. that's the only part of it i actually like.


exactly I wonder if somone is trying for a response here

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88. "what does denmark has to do with theo van gogh?"
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152. "they're farther ahead on the One Europe thing over there than here"
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I'm #ffffff

  

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178. "danish, dutch, it's all the same shit."
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kidding, but wasn't there a big commotion throughout northern europe/scandanavia during that time, with immigration restrictions etc.? perhaps it wasn't an issue in denmark, but i remember hearing there was an uproar in several european countries about it, not just holland.

  

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14. "Yea I peeped it,"
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i've come to not be suprised at such things

  

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22. "white ppl gonna learn u reap what u sow"
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unfortunately sometimes the wrong ppl pay for the crimes of others

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25. "get over it."
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look at how many times Jesus and Christianity has been mocked. Islam isn't above criticism or mockery.
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26. "I concur"
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I have nothing against Islam. This idea, however, that it is supreme and above mockery is ludicrous. Maybe I'm biased because I'm not a part of the contigent that shares this view, but people get shitted on every day.

When CNN was like, "We're not going to show the cartoon so as not offend Islam." I was disgusted. Muslims, give yourselves a pat on the back cause y'all got these fools SHOOK.

  

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27. "but I guarantee you..."
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Kanye's ass dressed as Jesus got covered by them.

CNN has nothing but a bunch of brownnosers anyway; that's how they got into Iran.
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30. "is dressing up as jesus"
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a sin in the christian religion?
seriously im asking cuz i have no idea

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37. "of course it is."
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but that's besides the point anyway. There is no such thing as "freedom of speech...until it offends Muslims".

Like I said, get over it.
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39. "scripture please?"
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40. "you need scripture to know not to blaspheme your own religion?"
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that's retarded.
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45. "im not xtian"
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46. "does that make you devoid of common sense too?"
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48. "RE: does that make you devoid of common sense too?"
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common sense for ppl to use
the book they claim to be their guide as support for their argument?
LMAO!
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54. "lemme get this straight.."
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I am supposed to worship, pray, and live by the commandments of a diety, any diety...but yet mocking and disrespecting it is kosher?

Right. Makes perfect sense.
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56. "you dont even have an idea of what this convo is about"
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lmao
you are making stuff up
i never once asserted that
i asked you in the christian religion is dressing up as jesus considered a sin?
i was trying to get where the ppl who were upset with kanye were coming from..being that i didnt follow the whole cover thing and only saw it as a small avatar here
now u talking about some other shit
stay focused teese

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62. "I didn't make up anything."
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you made up an assertion, and are now trying to back out of it.

Kanye was mocking Christianity, which is the definition of blasphemy. Common sense would tell anyone that it isn't allowed within Christianity.

Besides, I wasn't mad about what Kanye did - in fact I didn't care about the whole thing - I was proving a point. Religious beliefs and icons have been mocked before. They will be mocked again. Islam isn't above the fray, especially in countries where Islam isn't the dominant culture and they believe in freedom of speech and expression.
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66. "i am not trying to back out of anything"
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i never said anything
i asked you a question
LMAO!
and still havent gotten an answer from you
i dont want "your common sense"
i want scripture from the book

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71. "here's an idea: read the book."
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see if you can find it for yourself.
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72. "LMAO!"
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107. "Read the sig..."
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Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended." -The Gospel of Thomas

  

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28. "puhleeze"
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yall are acting like we dont have right to be upset
yeah xtians are mocked and whey are they get upset
that is a natural reaction
same as as whiny ass black ppl and jews
give ourselves a pat on the back?
for having who shook?
oh for having ppl drive trucks thru mosques
or pregnant muslim women walking down the street getting harrassed
just like non muslims are becoming casualities
in so called terror attacks
innocent mulims are also taking the brunt in the streets everyday
so what cnn didnt run the cartoons
news media outlets tip toe around everybody under the guise of being pc
muslims
gays
jews
women
whatever
so we supposed to sit around and say
oh well they mocked our Prophet
no big deal
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47. "RE: puhleeze"
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BE UPSET! I'm not saying you don't have a right to. Shit, I hate when white people downplay flagrant racism and act like I'm overreacting when I'm offended.

But damn, if we applied the same standard to every racial/religious/ethnic/etc. group, every night on the news, black people would be getting another fucking apology. "Cops has been cancelled."

I'm not saying that just because we as black people (or Christians or whatever) aren't above mockery by the media, Muslims shouldn't be. However, I don't think Islam is above any other group such that the religion should be sheltered and given special treatment. That kind of thinking should be reserved only for the people who believe in it.

>yall are acting like we dont have right to be upset
>yeah xtians are mocked and whey are they get upset
>that is a natural reaction
>same as as whiny ass black ppl and jews
>give ourselves a pat on the back?
>for having who shook?
>oh for having ppl drive trucks thru mosques
>or pregnant muslim women walking down the street getting
>harrassed
>just like non muslims are becoming casualities
>in so called terror attacks
>innocent mulims are also taking the brunt in the streets
>everyday
>so what cnn didnt run the cartoons
>news media outlets tip toe around everybody under the guise of
>being pc
>muslims
>gays
>jews
>women
>whatever
>so we supposed to sit around and say
>oh well they mocked our Prophet
>no big deal
>it dont work like that

  

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52. "Islam is not being sheltered"
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you are taking one act of respect
and using that as a basis for shelter?
i dare say you blowing that out of proportion
very much so

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55. "oh boy"
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we can go on forever about how much Islam gets shitted on. However, in THIS instance, I think the media's treatment of the whole cartoon issue was a bit much.

  

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58. "well you could of said that from the go"
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and even tho i still disagree with you
it wouldnt have been anything go round with really
but please dont front as though your initial post was
more general than this once incident

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65. "wow"
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"Ain't no future in your frontin'"

First of all, I can't even point to another instance where I felt that Islam was being "sheltered". My comment was directly related to this particular situation.

When I was typing, I had the that whole Van Gogh situation in mind. That man felt that Islam was so much above ridicule and was so offended by Van Gogh's film, that he felt he needed to kill him. Other than that, I try my best not brush with broad strucks.

  

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67. "aight kiko"
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33. "this is the dumbest reasoning in the history of man"
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34. "ok so it wasnt just me"
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i thought perhaps i was being biased

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43. "no this is coming from a NON-religious homo"
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so i can assure u this aint just no ra ra co-sign shyt, what that poster said was just dumb

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96. "More likely they had some respect about them"
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CNN's usually on some drama tip so I'd give them props for being respectful, not clown them for being shook up.


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31. "u r so fuccing far gone, does being conservative = no respect?"
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38. "right. Like they have respect for Christians."
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tell that to the families in Indonesia that had to pick up their children's heads from the side of the road.
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44. "my heart goes out for those HOWEVER, there not forced to be there"
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cruel as it may sound, there not forced to do missionary work there..

meaning: they knew the possibilities and they knew the risk....

extremist are everywhere...


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49. "that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard."
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that's said, but they chose to be there? So that somehow gives them a pass to take their heads off?

Besides, these weren't missionaries...they were INDONESIAN SCHOOLCHILDREN. Natives.

Read up.

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57. "wow, you've heard alot retarded things lately it seems..."
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albeit, this was an issue with Europeans being in Asia too...

however, no it does not give them a pass or an okay...

and as for the europeans I'm refering too..the same applies..


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117. "so when the US gov't rounds up Muslims and throws them"
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in jail in Guantanamo, can we use that same rationale? Hey, my heart goes out to them, but they didn't have to come here?

  

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121. "Not when the government cries foul about Geneva"
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conventions in other areas. This government picks and choses which rules it will enforce and obey and then wonders why noone trusts them.


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125. "u might want to read the exchange"
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that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm talking about

  

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130. "My bad. I just really wanted to say that. I blame"
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the triple expresso I just had.


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148. "RE: My bad. I just really wanted to say that. I blame"
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>the triple expresso I just had.
>
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This is by far the most important comment in this post.
How good was the espresso? Where did the coffee beans originate?

As for myself, I prefer Colombian or Ethiopian coffee over Cuban.


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90. "RE: my heart goes out for those HOWEVER, there not forced to be there"
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Not that it has anything to do with the newspaper cartoons, and it probably won't get spotted, but I just want to correct this -

the girls who got beheaded in Poso were NOT missionaries, they were local Christians. Like in most parts of Indonesia (and similar to East Africa), Islam in Central Sulawesi was spread peacefully by trade, and so was limited to the coast. The people of the interior stuck to the ancestral traditions until the Dutch came in the late 19th century, when they converted to Christianity (although respect for the ancestors remains very important).

Because of overpopulation in other parts of Indonesia, Muslims from South Sulawesi, Java, & Madura have immigrated (most through government-sponsored programs of "transmigration") to Central Sulawesi since the 1970s, so nowadays the population is split 50-50 between Muslims & Christians. But to repeat, the Christians in Central Sulawesi are NOT the product of recent missionary activity; they have been there longer than 90% of the Muslims.

  

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50. "You obviously generalize when it comes to Muslims,"
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You obviously have a negative bias against them. And you obviously are too ignorant to realize "freedom of speech" does intail the propogation of hatred and ignorance.

Lets have Time magazine run caricatures of "niggers eating watermelon and fried chicken" with lips the size of bananas.

Freedom of speech right? You niggers better not get your feelings hurt.

AKA Shut the fuck up and realize what you're defending.

  

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59. "I'm not generalizing anything."
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Look at the initial thread "as if nothing is going to happen". They feel like blood has to be shed everytime something they don't like happens.

Look at how they reacted to Salmon Rushdie. Look WHAT happened to Theo Van Gogh, and if they ever get their hands on her, Ayman Hirst Ali. They feel like they have a justification in killing people who supposedly disrespects Islam. That isn't generalizations; that's FACT.
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64. "No, no."
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Don't try to deviate from what you stated: you DEFENDED the propagation of hatred and ignorance in national papers.

And who's "they"? The acts of literally less than 5 people dont reflect an entire people. And I'm not sure if you heard or not, but boyoctting and protests are Muslim reaction to this, not killings. It seems in your twisted hateful mind, whenever you read about Muslims reacting, you think of killing right away. The original poster never mentioned killing, and he obviously meant boycotts.

You're a hateful bigot. Admit it and move on. The simple fact that you're in a thread getting out of your way to justify that bullshit says everything about you.

  

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69. "I didn't defend hatred; I defended free speech."
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they have a right to put what they want in their papers. It's not the government's to punish them or force them not to publish them, nor is it the right of Muslims to retaliate for it.

If you actually think that only five people act in this manner, and that these are just isolated incidents, then you need to read more or watch the news, or something.
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73. "Listen, little bigoted boy."
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Here's the lesson of the day: (After this I want you to close your mouth and go home to your mommy) Hatred, in a huge majority of cases, is spread through SPEECH. So you defended hatred. I know it's fun to play with the English language and act like you didn't, but you did. And so is the rest of these European papers.

I didn't ask for the Danish government to do shit, I do feel Muslim anger is justified. Don't try to put things in my mouth.

  

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139. "WOW@this exchange!!"
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what thee FUCK!!! yall muthafuckas are in more denial than the people on american idol man, amazing.

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155. "Say something of substance or dont post at all."
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What are you arguing? Cause you just posted without saying anything.

  

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91. "good one."
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104. "i agree with you, see post #93"
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'freedom of speech' was never
intended to be unconditional.

the same way freedom of speech
does not let you yell FIRE
in a crowded theater, it should
not allow you to cavalierly dismiss
people's strongly held beliefs.

people are missing what this thing
is about. it is only PARTLY about religion.
even though europe - france in particular -
is pretty ambivalent about religion,
this is MORESO about the ruling
majority of this country trying
to exert psychological control
and dominion over a rapidly expanding
minority that scares them.

white folks didn't call black people
'nigger' just because they didn't
like them. they also did it as a
way to psychologically reinforce
their superiority over black folks.
it was a way to keep black folks in
their place.

freedom of speech is great, but at the
same time, why would anybody WANT to
hold on to the ability to disparage
things people believe in? People like
to hide behind HIGH MINDED shit like
'freedom of expression' but the true
motivation for folks who defend these
cartoons is gutter and mean spirited.

this is totally about showing muslims
who is in charge of europe. in a racially
diverse place like america, its racial
slurs. in europe, with its ugly religious
history, its religious slurs.

but the impulse comes from the same place.

black people defending these actions
need to look again. blink, and you can
replace that frenchman with massa.
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51. "like i said, u seem really far gone"
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i dont wanna get into a long back and forth with u tonite, that will probably end in u calling me some disrespectful gay insult, but i dont see how u can hold the actions of a few against the respect of a religion of millions


kkk killed in the name of Christ as did the waco texas ppl, but it would not be fair to just bash all christians (regardless if ppl do do that, its not right)

this whole thing is un-Christ like IMO, but whatever

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53. "the logic isnt allowed to flow both ways"
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the only thing he can say
is get over it
its funny too
cuz if a police was beating his black ass
he wouldnt want to get over it
im glad we having this convo tho
cuz its making me see the treatment of other
oppressed groups in a different light
i might have to change some of my views

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68. "dialogue is always good IMO"
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even some posters are come wit some absurd shyt

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60. "a few? Naive simp."
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go read a book or something.
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61. "Hey J.C. Watts...put a sock in it...you starting to give me a headache"
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again......


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63. "LMAO@ naive simp"
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that was good, but i knew it would eventually come to sumthin of that nature, have a nice nite BROTHA

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97. "Yes, a few."
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Do you seriously think even a significant percentage of Muslims in the world are suddenly trying to murk all non-Muslims over the cartoon?


Like, seriously?


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144. "I think he knows he's being dumb"
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He can do math, I would hope.

  

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75. "RE: get over it."
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>look at how many times Jesus and Christianity has been
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184. "COSIGN!!!!!!!!!"
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it's called a sense of humor, people!!!


the fact that so much of the Muslim world is up in arms over this speaks volumes to me.

  

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29. "I see a whole bunch of "Honor" killings resulting from this shit"
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thats these muthafuckas favorite pastime....

  

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35. "^^^ "these mofos= "you people" in this context it seems"
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*shakes head*


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36. "I'm agnostic so..... hatred and intolerence is christians pastime too"
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oh and enslaving black folks and exterminating natives

happy now?

but on the real though them muslim do be killin alot of women though... and rapin em too...

  

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41. "thats better...."
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I can't defend anyones actions...but thats generalizing mayne...

thats like me saying those Christian in San Diego who commited suicide in order to "get the motha ship" and those Christians in Guyana who all died from drinking poison are wild.

So in turn, "Christians are mad fanatics....."

I wouldn't be able to make that statement cause it doesn't ring true and the same goes for Islam too. You're only exposed to what western media feeds you. And its always concentrated in specific regions. So I say all of that to say, why generalize....it can't be applied here.



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42. "You're ignorant. Slap yourself."
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Knock your head against the wall repeatedly, too.

  

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70. "idiocy."
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prototype

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127. "WTF@last 3 responses!?!?!?!"
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so what he said wasn't TRUE!?!? a person can't say anything BAD about islam but can shit on christianity 100 times over!?!?!

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194. "I was being sarcastic manye...calm down and fall back.."
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74. "so many funny quotes!"
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I will list some here:

"We are angry — very, very, very angry," said the legislator, Jamila al-Shanty. "No one can say a bad word about our prophet."

Le Monde ran a sketch of a man, presumably Muhammad, made of sentences reading, "I must not draw Muhammad."

Saudi Arabia and Syria recalled their ambassadors from Denmark, while the Danish government summoned other foreign envoys in Copenhagen to talks on Friday over the issue, having already explained that it does not control the press.


  

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76. "RE: so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam"
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Muslims have a right to be offended at whatever they want to get offended at. They don't, however, have a right to impose their religious value system on the rest of the globe.

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77. "your free to talk about my mom. but if you do expect me to pop you"
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in your nose

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82. "nice...its that simple..."
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147. "RE: your free to talk about my mom. but if you do expect me to pop you"
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>in your nose

talk/speech doesn't equate with violence physical acts.


to wit: what you are saying implies an eye & an arm for an eye rather than just an eye for an eye. with that slippery slope you got on, you've justified genocide partner. that is reprehensible.

do better.


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171. "wrong. if someone insults you on a personal issue for no reason"
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You have a right to take it personal.

If you called a my mother a name
a woman that I love and honor very much


it might lead to an altercation
may not


but really why'd you ever want to disrespect my mother like that
unless your prepared for that outcome.

In general people interact civilly in person
for just that reason

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183. "RE: wrong. if someone insults you on a personal issue for no reason"
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>You have a right to take it personal.
>
>If you called a my mother a name
>a woman that I love and honor very much
>
>
>it might lead to an altercation
>may not
>
>
>but really why'd you ever want to disrespect my mother like
>that
>unless your prepared for that outcome.
>
>In general people interact civilly in person
>for just that reason

so free speech (even offensive speech) warrants censorship due to the threat of (islamic) retaliatory violence?

really. do better.

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99. "COSIGN...I feel like they trying run the world right now"
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Someone in Asia cannot dictate what someone prints in a newspaper in Europe. How can a country that does not have freedom of the press dictate to another country that does have freedom of the press print?

Why are there not marches in the streets, speeches and burning of flags when hostages are taken, people are beheaded, bombs are exploding and crazies with guns are running amuck? Why is there not this emotion placed in ending terrorism??????

  

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142. "If u really want to end terrorism talk to the people in power in D.C."
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You should be the one marching and upset
>Someone in Asia cannot dictate what someone prints in a
>newspaper in Europe. How can a country that does not have
>freedom of the press dictate to another country that does have
>freedom of the press print?
>
>Why are there not marches in the streets, speeches and burning
>of flags when hostages are taken, people are beheaded, bombs
>are exploding and crazies with guns are running amuck? Why is
>there not this emotion placed in ending terrorism??????

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149. "W H A T ????"
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151. "RE: W H A T ????"
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Ason needs to read reply #147 & rethink his stance.

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156. "the biggest terrorist in the world are sitting in Washington D.C."
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160. "W H A T!!??!?!?!?!?!?"
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Somebody needs to do a Bill Cosby a put the mirror up to their own people. Don't put all this craziness on Bush, DC or the Whitehouse. No doubt the US foreign policy is jacked up...but these crazies are drinking some of their own kool-aid.

  

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166. "how is he wrong? american presidents"
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in the 20th and 21st century, shyt 19th too, have issued the order for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents

i mean lets start with fuccing A-bombs, u have to recognize that

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174. "*****EXACTLY!*****"
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>>>Muslims have a right to be offended at whatever they want to get offended at. They don't, however, have a right to impose their religious value system on the rest of the globe<<<


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189. "pretty much."
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i wasn't going to bother commenting.

But you said what i was thinking so.....

Anyway. I don't think it's right to mock religion but people have the right to say what they want. If they're going to censor mocking of the Islamic religion...they need to do the same for Christianity.

  

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78. ""
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if it wasnt for the fact that their Prime minister refused to have a meeting with the muslim ambassadors from 11 countries in October when they wanted to discuss the matter. They have requested a meeting several times since then, but he refused to see them. His actions caused almost as much anger as the drawings. Today he is in a situation where it doesn´t really matter what he does, everything will turn out bad.
They deserve to suffer from serious economic crisis. He should have acted different.


  

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79. "now THAT's interesting.....didn't know that..."
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80. ""
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Denmark is in trouble right now. The drawings and I guess the actions of the Prime Minister has lead to boycott of Danish products by muslim countries which will of course have a great effect over the next years.
They are also suffering from a lot of other threats of course...



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81. "I knew about the banned import goods into UAE/KSA but U didn't know"
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he denied/refused seeing them multiple times...




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84. "Yep, last time they asked was only 5 days ago"
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but he didnt see them. But he has now decided after all to see them...question is what is he going to say to make things better...he
has to stand by his earlier statements/actions and stand by the freedom of speach but at the same time make some kind of apology on behalf of Denmark. Its very interesting to see the outcome of all this...


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83. "actually the boycott extends beyond danish products"
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85. "you know Turkey is a huge trading partner with the EU"
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as secular a state as they are I wonder if this won't cause some problems with that.


Then again the business between Turkey and the west is so profitable for both sides......


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101. "the context has somehow (or purposefully) gotten lost"
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i would assume over the last 10 years that people in muslim countries associate denmark with overt and violent racist treatment to immigrants and refugees who are muslim and/or darkskinned whereas in the general european community there is no particular association to denmark at all. it's pretty disingenous to turn it into a freedom of speech issue when there is more going on in this case. i don't see how you can untangle supporting this case of freedom of speech by reprinting the cartoons created in the context of danish society from supporting the general attitude and institutional racist policies in danish society.

the cartoons were not published in a historical/political vacuum. i think if more non-muslims were aware of the violent racists acts committed in denmark over the past 10 years the uproar might seem more as a build-up than an overreaction.

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103. "well said"
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i sure agree

  

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105. "i never took it as an overreaction...."
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and even though i think denmark
is the focal point, this issue
is really a trans-european issue....

i mean, folks are forgetting you had
youth of color (many muslim) rioting
all over europe. black americans need
to think about what is happening to
us when WE do that...and then perhaps
understand that the muslims and other
folks of color are going through similar
travails in europe, as they meet resisitance
from ruling whites who don't know how to
integrate these folks into their society.

i have a friend from suriname that put
me on a long time ago. he told me point
blank that europeans are just as grimey
as americans, they just swap out niggas
and replace them with muslims or africans.

europe has always had 'issues' with
the muslim world, and if yall don't
think THIS is an indication, think
about how long the EU has held TURKEY
at arms length, while simultaneously
incoporporating more bootleg eastern
european countries that were much
more war torn and broken down.

this is just the latest extension of
it, as far as i can tell.
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163. "thanks for that tidbit..."
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i wasn't aware and jumped to the conclusion
that they were over-reacting extremists.

Still, a shitty cartoon is no reason to kill someone.
Thats still insane in this "modern" world.


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195. "oh definitely"
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>i wasn't aware and jumped to the conclusion
>that they were over-reacting extremists.
>
>Still, a shitty cartoon is no reason to kill someone.
>Thats still insane in this "modern" world.

it's not a debate to me about rights to me. it's more about the irresponsibility of the media, rather than censorship. the insane response on both sides - the reprinting and extremist protests - are clearly being used to throw fuel on the fire. instead of looking at deeper issues, it's always framed as islam = would kill your ass over a cartoon. "cartoon protests" is an easier headline than "muslim ambassadors snubbed for months in continued attempts to meet with right-wing government about cartoon in a country where previously refugees requested the UN to be relocated to a secure place." for all we know the ambassadors may have wanted to address the content of the cartoons, which i found offensive.

i don't think the violent response should be downplayed but even that could be put into context, like high how unemployment is in the country, whether the protests are organized by certain groups, etc. only fools without jobs/teenagers are gonna be on the street during the middle of the week sewing together danish flags :/

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86. ""
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this is true. so was bluetiger's post.

1. i think the bomb drawing in particular was inconsiderate given today's political climate.

2. the danish government is right in saying that they can't control the press, but they are WRONG for not meeting with the 11 muslim ambassadors in October. that was plain arrogant and imo is the reason for the much of the row

3. like the (now fired) editor of the Jordanian paper which also showed the drawings, what portrays muslims in the worst light - a silly drawing in a danish cartoon, or suicide bombings done by muslims, both in and around the muslim world?

4. what's worst and displays the biggest lack of respect and cross cultural understanding - a 'cartoon' in a fairly right wing Danish newspaper, or widespread flag burnings and threats of violent action? the Danish PM fucked up no doubt, but that doesn't validate the fanatical response we see know

  

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94. "exactly"
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but who's sharing that PIECE of info...muthafuckas.
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87. "when mankind feels the need to defend their god"
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is their god worth worshipping?

can the omnipotent creator of all that is

really be offended by an extremely finite human?



  

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98. "God's cool either way"
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The principle of the lack of respect for the Prophet is problematic.

Obviously not everyone in the world is Muslim. But the ABSOLUTE LEAST that people can do is respect Islam's most central figure. Admittedly, the same is true for all of the religions; if their members ask for respect, why not give it? It's free.


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153. "no doubt-"
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however, you cannot be insulted without choosing to be

  

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89. "they also got published in Kuwait, Morocco, Jordan & Bahrain"
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92. "and also i want to say"
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that its funny to see the ignorance of ppl when it comes to Islam.
folks read too many sensational biased newspapers and watch too many action movies. go read a book or something. ppl acting like muslim = running around with bombs beheading ppl.

  

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93. "the more europe is confronted with "the other,""
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the more folks will see they can be
just as racist as 'ignorant white americans.'

people forget, historically, europe has done
WAY MORE RACIST dirt than America. And not just
one country - even the currently mild and genteel
countries like BELGIUM got loose in Africa.
(see: THE CONGO)

europe did a good job peddling that 'kinder, gentler
white man' thing around, but now with the influx of
much needed muslim labor to fortify their shrinking
job pool, it will be interesting to see if that is true.

the french like to think they are high minded because
they philosophize while they sip coffee and smoke
skinny brown cigarettes, but their argument is
quite bootleg. saying 'we wanna have the right to
insult somebody's religiouis beliefs' in the name
of 'freedom of speech' is hardly different than
white cats over here saying 'we wanna have the right
to call you nigger.'

ultimately, they will have to change, because they
need muslim immigrants more than muslim immigrants
need them. and if you think CHRISTIANS go hard
behind their religion, just wait.

folks won't get killed, but they will TAKE IT
TO THE STREETS in a heartbeat.

SKRONG, too.

i totally support where european muslims are coming from.
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95. "reading this post makes it so clear..."
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how easy it is to lose sight of the fact that we're all on the same side.

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190. "What kinda Kumbaya shit is this?"
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102. "Religion Is Wack."
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106. "fuck ISLAM(e)"
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they becoming more fake then christians man
well they always been as fake
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thank you. I'm getting tired of these dudes...for real.

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108. "One thing that's wack about European society is their"
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inability to see things from another perspective.

They preach this Multiculturalism bullshit, cus they know it's a farse. What it really boils down to is European social hegemony- a patriachal hierarchy with European norms as the gleaming ivory tower of reason.

That's that bullshit.

Just cus sumin is legal, don't make it right.

When are we going to realize cultural pluralism? Where everyone can respect another's culture for what it is as it is, and then make policy decisions from there?

Until we get to that place, we gonna keep having issues.

Where Eastern and Western cultural values clash in this SPECIFIC instance is that, Islam and many other eastern cultures don't embrace the "Turn the other cheek" mentality.

There will be retribution.

The issue with far many Islamic states nowadays- not so different from many Bible belt in the US's southern states (excluding of course North Carolina and Texas), is that Education is not embraced in many of these Islamic dominated states.

What does that mean?

It means the marginalized immigrant populations living within European borders with few options and built up angst due to racist European immigraion politics and have NOTHING TO LOSE will react.

They won't do it with the pen. They know little of the pen.

They'll do it otherwise, because in Islam we are mandated to defend ourselves, our religion and each other.

Now, do I agree with what might be impending violence as a Muslim, as a thinking being? Hell no.

Do I agree with the sentiment, their Intentions ? Yes.

But part of being GROWN is understanding that something is legally correct doesn't make it right. Grown people have to make grown decisions like NOT TEASING the angry, rabid stray dog on your block.

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110. "i don't really see this"
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>
>They preach this Multiculturalism bullshit, cus they know it's
>a farse. What it really boils down to is European social
>hegemony- a patriachal hierarchy with European norms as the
>gleaming ivory tower of reason.
>

i think in most european societies multiculturalism is embraced by a small minority and mostly seen as an american ideal.

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113. "Nah...America is more of a "melting pot" jawn."
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In either case, folk are going to see things from through the prism of their own life experience or whatever additives or inputs that might effect their thought process.

It's funny to see folk in here making statements like "religion sucks, or When you have to defend your 'god' statements" that consider their thought pattern to be divurgent from the throng when in fact the very basis of such comments comes from a very American, very Judeo-Christian base.

In so many parts of the world Religion/faith is just a part of life- and because someone else practices something different means NOTHING.

This either- or mentality is VERY European, very AMERICAN.

And quite frankly, it's kinda small minded, IMO.

It's even dumber to diss Islam when you have little or no understanding of it's PROPER practice.

If I based my ideas of Christianity off of what I see on TBN or Sikhism from what I see at the local likka store...

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145. "Yep"
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>>
>>They preach this Multiculturalism bullshit, cus they know
>it's
>>a farse. What it really boils down to is European social
>>hegemony- a patriachal hierarchy with European norms as the
>>gleaming ivory tower of reason.
>>
>
>i think in most european societies multiculturalism is
>embraced by a small minority and mostly seen as an american
>ideal.

  

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215. "RE: One thing that's wack about European society is their"
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>inability to see things from another perspective.
>
>They preach this Multiculturalism bullshit, cus they know it's
>a farse. What it really boils down to is European social
>hegemony- a patriachal hierarchy with European norms as the
>gleaming ivory tower of reason.

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109. "While it was disrespectful, some of the reaction are overboard"
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It's unrealistic to ask that no newspaper publish any likeness of the prophet period.

It's fucked up when its a disrespectful image, but to ask that nothing be depicted?

Like folks are going to start worshiping some cartoon image.



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128. "exactly, and the chicken shit media won't say a damn thing"
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it might be wrong to mock islamic leaders or whatever, and its okay to be offended - BUT TO THREATEN TO KILL MUTHAFUCKAS OVER IT!?!? and nobody is saying that the shit is taking it too far!? Im getting so sick of these muslim extremist mofoes...

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111. "If the New York Times printed a Cartoon of Jesus watching....."
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BrokeBack Mountain then christians would bomb the Times offices (just like Ann Coulter wants)


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123. "but would muthafuckas THREATEN TO KILL PEOPLE OVER IT!?!"
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all i will say is this, I think they should dump these middle eastern muslim muthafuckas (not you fake ass black muslims) down here in the south with the good ole boys with the confederate flags.

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124. "Of course they would and have: Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh"
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etc...THOUSANDS DEAD in India, and other countries...Ireland?

Come on.


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136. "...........BWAAHAHHAHAHA!!!!"
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man that response was so weak i won't even entertain it. I will say this though, 25-30 years from now, you will look back on all of this and realize how crazy you sounded and how warped your mind was for even THINKING this way...trust me.

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143. "Ann Coulter's crazy ass probably would"
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126. "they dont run cartoons"
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140. "Well aware of that, the reason I used it was because it supposedly"
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a liberal newspaper


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185. "here's the difference"
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you would have dudes like Pat Robertson and Ann Coulter advocating that type of shit and most people would recognize that they're hateful extremists.

most christians would dislike it but wouldn't consider violence as a means of achieving their goal. a LOT of the muslim world supports the people who are threatening violence.

  

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198. "A lot of people Support Pat Robertson, that nigga aint starvin for"
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an audience...Coulter too...it may not be as large as the muslim contingent that would support violence, but it is still relatively large.


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112. "i just think the world can't wait for a global disaster...."
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it's like they hype for it

the tsunami ain't enuff

genocides in africa cuz of war & disease ain't enuff

9/11 wasn't enuff

global warming ain't enuff

niggaz got they world war guns cocked

i can't wait for when it all falls down

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114. "I agree, althought I can't belee u put 9/11 in there."
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Might as well have put pearl harbor in there.


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120. "global economy shit doh'"
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122. "you know how much commerce was borne out that shit?"
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Any short term hit the economy took has been more than made up for since then.

All 'em government contracts? Just be mad about the no bid- closed proceedures.


The whole thing was a hustle move.

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119. "yeah"
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>
>i can't wait for when it all falls down

i feel u on all of that
it seems like its just coming to major build up
which will eventually simmer over

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115. "the whole "controversy" is extremly funny..."
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freedom of speech ?
yeah but it doesnt mean people can't get offended

but like what do the saudis and the indonesians and the iranians and the egyptians want the danish governement to do ?

ban an edition of a daily newspaper SIX MONTHS after it has been published ?
put the editors of the newspaper in jail ??
kill them ?



the overreaction smells like governement manipulation..

and a few days after the Hamas victory, it's quite easy to see why the governements of mainly muslim countries want to play the "don't touch islam" card so hard over a so small incident.


trust me, there is Europe more hatefull and dangerous ideas/thoughts that circulate without any reaction..


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116. "There is this thing of respect."
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And for some reason the Islamic world is not getting a great deal of it as if we are the only culture in this world with short comings.

I mean I could list the conflicts, but we all know what they are and that the war for providing the world's Energy for the next millenia is what is at stake.

From Europe to Asia and Africa this is going to be an ongoing problem. Just cus your dollars are there does not give you a right to be disrespectful.

I don't see why people can't be reasonable.


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129. "WHAT DO YOU WANT DENMARK TO DO ?"
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or are they just burning flags to say "we're mad" ?




and why now ?
why not 6 months ago ?
and why is Fattah more concerned with it than Hammas ?
and what Egypt does as far as limiting freedom of thought as long as it aint against the governement ?







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131. "Bongo, I want them to"
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turn back time.

I want them to allow the Reggae Boyz to qualify for the World Cup.

I want them to pay off my student loans.

I don't ask for anything unreasonable.

...I'm sayin. I am more upset about the uproar in response to the belated Islamic response.

Folk are making uneducated assumptions.


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132. "see i can understand that people feel personally offended"
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i guess i am when i hear y'all monotheists talk of us polytheists/animists/atheists



but those protests are something else.

they're political.

as political as the Abidjan protests a few weeks ago.

someone is pulling strings.

let the danish muslims write letters and protest and start trials and don't tell me Gaza is rioting spontanneously.
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137. "Theres a deep history here that you either don't know or choose"
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not to understand

For centuries Christian countires have invaded and attacked the muslim world and muslim people. The cursades, WWI, WWII and the after math of dividing up the middle east and the regimes the west props up to this day.

This aint something new that just coming outta nowhere
no
this is something old
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133. "Fatah's trying to get their street cred back"
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>and why is Fattah more concerned with it than Hammas ?

  

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134. "THEY ALL DO. All Of Them..."
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they want to outmuslim the religious Parties..

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135. "Islam needs a better Public Relations department"
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they need to holla at the Buddists PR rep

  

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138. "Let's see Pat Robertson can say homosexuals caused 9-11"
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http://www.beliefnet.com/story/87/story_8770_1.html

but can still have his grubby paws on billions of Christian dollars
a national cable network

and his political flunkies doing his biding in Washington


I would say his pr rep
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146. "Nothing on this planet is above mockery..."
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So Fuck'a Muhammed..Fuck'a Jesus...and fuck anyone who gets worked up over it to this point
As soon as someone can prove to me that those things are above mockery, without using those silly books, then we'll see
But that cannot be done

  

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157. "So we should break out the Jiggaboo cartoons and blackface"
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from Americas past and throw up some of that racist art
agaisnt Japanese from WWII

because it's "free speech" right?

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158. "Here's my problem"
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Look, of course people are going to be offended by depictions in the media..However, It's the response that I have a problem with...Protesting...Fine, I'm all for it..However:

-Palestinian Gunmen raiding EU offices demanding an apology
Raiding the offices or people who give over $600 million annually to the PNA? Please...


-In addition, the Palestinian Popular Resistance Committees and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade said Feb. 2 they will consider anyone from Denmark, France and Norway to be a legitimate target for retaliation unless the countries close their offices in the Palestinian territories. An al-Aqsa member told The Associated Press that terrorists are searching apartments in the West Bank city of Nablus looking for foreigners to kidnap.

Wow....Sounds like a legitimate response to you? Over a CARTOON

Kinda reminds me of the Rushdie incident...You know, where Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini urging Muslims to KILL British author Salman Rushdie, whose book, "The Satanic Verses," contains elements considered blasphemous by some Muslims.
I'm sorry, that shit is just fuckin hypocritical at best...Calling for someone's murder because you are personally offended by words on paper? Sorry...And we saw it again with the Van GOgh incident...Killing a man because of a film that did nothing but have koranic verses on a female body?...Whether you like it or not, it's a book...nothing more, nothing less, just like the bible

I've seen countless comics( this is what the fight is over remember, a comic strip) containing depictions of Jesus, yet I haven't seen armed gunmen take over international offices demanding apologies over it, I have not heard anyone call for the murder of someone for making a cartoon depicting jesus in a certain way, nor buddha, nor any other alleged diety...Just because it is considered blasphemous in the muslim world to portray Mohammed, there still exists a world outside of Islam where people are free to do whatever they want

Like I said before...at the end of the day, all it is is a book

Calling for someone's head over ink and paper is ludicrous

  

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159. "I don't think the insurgents needed any more urging to aim"
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for any occupation forces really

same deal in Palestine
these are places ehere there is armed conflict daily and Israeli and or American choppers shooting into civilian homes whenever they THINK they might hit one of their enemies and if they kill some innocents ...oh well.


You use those two incidents to characterize a religion with 2billion adherents world wide??

Whats the reaction in Lebanon, whats the reaction in India/Pakistan and the gulf?

Hit 'em where it really hurts
the pocket book. and thats just what they're doing.

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164. "you didnt even address the points, so this is hopeless"
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First off all, dont try using insurgents and terrorists interchangeable..Insurgents have nothing to do with this..(In Iraq) they are defending what is rightfully theirs, their home land...However, to defend a religion with violence is the utmost hypocrisy, which is what "the terrorists" are doing, and we see it all over the place, especially concerning Islam these days..Of course, CHristianity has a horrible history of doing the same thing, but I am talking about right now..the present..This is the issue we are dealing with..The past cannot be changed, however the present is fucked up beyond belief, and people are losing their minds over bullshit
Like I said, calling for someones life over a cartoon is fucking ignorant, stupid, and pointless


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167. "likewise. You brought up that some "group" lol at that first of all"
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is saying it's ok to hit Danish targets in Iraq

newsflash


the insurgents are gonna hit any damn western target they have a opptunity to regardless.

I usually write small minded people you off immediately
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169. "If you're lookin for small minded people"
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take a glimpse in the mirror kid...

  

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150. "pretty good Op-Ed piece from the Guardian"
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It's about discretion and good taste
Denmark's cartoons satirising Islam have inflamed Muslims, but the injury runs deeper than religious insult, says Sukhvinder Stubbs

Sukhvinder Stubbs
Friday February 3, 2006

Guardian Unlimited

The furore concerning the cartoons published in a Danish newspaper depicting the prophet Muhammad as a terrorist has yet to abate. In the wake of the government's defeat on the religious hatred bill, many have rushed to the defence of the cartoonists. These voices range from the chattering classes reaching for their book of Voltaire quotes and trumpeting the sanctity of free speech, to the sort of political-correctness-gone-mad types who email Radio Five live, grumbling that we already "bend over backwards" to accommodate Muslim sensibilities and that enough is enough.
Others might shrug.They're only a cartoons. What's the fuss? Cartoons, however, can be a powerful means of catalysing and disseminating ideas, be they pertinently satirical or hideously warped. Cartoons were, for example, used extensively by the Nazis in their anti-semitic propaganda campaigns, depicting Jews as hook-nosed, usurious grotesques molesting pure German women.

It would be excessive to suggest that there is a moral equivalence between those Nazi cartoons and the those that appeared in the Danish newspaper. The fact remains, however, that as an editorial act, rather than one of censorship, these items should never have been published. They are deeply crass. It suggests that Islam, as represented by the figure of Muhammad (blasphemy, of course, to represent him at all but that's by the by), is the font of all terrorism - the sort of syllogistic nonsense that leads some to conclude that, because some muggers are black men, all black men are muggers. There would be no general inclination to defend any cartoon which suggested that black men were thus predisposed - it would properly be condemned as racism.

Here, however, is the awkward point, one on which the government's ill-fated bill teetered. To have a go at someone on the grounds of their race is to have a go at them as people - to do so on the grounds of their religion is merely an attack upon their ideas, rather than their person. Technically, this is a valid distinction. However, in this instance, it has allowed our Danish cartoonists to get away with the crudest and most incendiary of generalisations.

In 1997, when I was director of the Runnymede Trust, I helped launch the Commission on Islamophobia, a newly coined phrase to describe a phenomenon that had grown in tandem with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. We found that "Islamophobia" wasn't just confined to BNP thugs hurling pigs' heads through the windows of Pakistani households, or the vile poison spouted by BNP chairman Nick Griffin. It manifested itself in middle class circles too, around dining tables, on Radio 4, much of it in (understandably) indignant response to the Salman Rushdie fatwa. Under the pretext of taking a rearguard action against religious dogma, it became permissible to unveil a cultural contempt for peoples who tended to be brown-skinned and poorly off. I sense a similar undercurrent today, in the cathartic excitement with which some have rallied to the Free Speech banner, a sense of fear and loathing of the troublesome, brown hordes we see jumping up and down brandishing guns on our TV screens.

Because Muslims are not a "race", they must endure such contempt; endure, for Voltaire's sake, jibes such as these cartoons. Such debating society pedantry, however, fails to acknowledge that in the case of Muslims, their religion and sense of cultural identity are so closely bound that an attack upon their faith is, to all intents and purposes, an attack upon their person.

There's more to it than that, however. Muslim grievances are not merely spiritual but, more pressingly, material. The rage expressed by demonstrators in Gaza against Scandinavian aid workers was, at a deeper level, the rage of the disenfranchised, the displaced. In the UK and across Europe, Muslims are socially and economically disadvantaged, among those at the bottom of the pile. Cultural gestures such as the Danish cartoons may please well-to-do secular liberals in helping push back the envelope of free speech and cock a snook at religious dogma. To Muslims, however, they merely add to a sense of disaffection, of themselves as a pariah people. Another insult to add to their social injury.

I suspect Muslim anger at this cartoon may be shorter lived and less widespread than initially feared. Some Muslims have themselves added to the pro-free speech chorus and suggested that Islam should be strong enough to withstand these brickbats. What the cartoon will add to, however, is a more long-term feeling of sadness, of exclusion and of being fair game for attack, either with the pen or with the bomb. Our first priority must be to address the material disadvantages many Muslims face worldwide. Until we do that in earnest, we should refrain from stupid, insulting cartoons, not by way of a self-imposed, legally binding gagging order (as the government has found, it's difficult to legislate in these matters) but out of discretion, good sense, good taste and goodwill.

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>It suggests that Islam, as represented by the figure of
>Muhammad (blasphemy, of course, to represent him at all but
>that's by the by), is the font of all terrorism - the sort of
>syllogistic nonsense that leads some to conclude that, because
>some muggers are black men, all black men are muggers.

I don't think that point is by the by at all. I think the point is that Europe is not governed by Sharia, but by the civil legal system (on the mainland), and the European Convention on Human Rights.

If the people offended by the cartoons have a cause of action then they can settle it through the courts (they can't by the way, because there is no valid cause of action in Denmark, nor, I think, should there be). If they are dissatisfied with that situation, well, Denmark is a liberal democracy and they can air their grievances through boycots, demonstrations, strong letters to the media etc. (which rights are, btw, protected by the ECHR), Jesus, even by voting for a party which might change the law.

  

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181. "like the writer said, there's not really a legal remedy for this"
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it's a matter of good taste and good sense and not antagonizing the disenfranchised just because you can. All the newspapers reprinting the cartoons are just fueling the fire so they can be like "look how intolerant Muslims are". What's really gained from that, aside from a sense of moral superiority? Really, what's the point of doing cartoons like that? While on the one hand it sucks to self-censor in the name of religious beliefs that one might find ridiculous, it just seems like an exercise in bad judgement, and unless the point was just to provoke and exacerbate tensions in a Europe that's already having big problems assimilating Muslims into society, I really don't see what was accomplished. This is a lot bigger than just free speech.

  

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191. "which is what I said above, nor do I believe there should be"
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>it's a matter of good taste and good sense and not
>antagonizing the disenfranchised just because you can. All the
>newspapers reprinting the cartoons are just fueling the fire
>so they can be like "look how intolerant Muslims are". What's
>really gained from that, aside from a sense of moral
>superiority? Really, what's the point of doing cartoons like
>that? While on the one hand it sucks to self-censor in the
>name of religious beliefs that one might find ridiculous, it
>just seems like an exercise in bad judgement, and unless the
>point was just to provoke and exacerbate tensions in a Europe
>that's already having big problems assimilating Muslims into
>society, I really don't see what was accomplished. This is a
>lot bigger than just free speech.

i don't think any of the newspapers set out to provike the kind of reaction they did - see most of the editors have now said that if they'd known what would happen they wouldn't have bothered.

also i note that the guardian is perfectly happy to antagonise some groups of society but not others (thinking of an example off the top of my head, the Myra Hindley picture springs to mind). i guess as on a level of pragmatism they just don't want to antagonise those who will burn down buildings and kidnap people to express their hurt feelings.

  

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193. "the other side:"
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/02/04/do0402.xml

(although I am slightly ashamed to be posting a link to a Torygraph site)

  

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202. "it makes some good points"
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but overall, I disagree. With a lot of the defenders of the cartoons (or even if they don't feel the cartoons themselves are defensible but the right to publish them and not worry about violent reprisals), there's sort of an undertone of "this is the way our societies are set up, so play by our rules or don't play at all". But the Muslims who are there are having real problems getting equal opportunities, and thus feel rejected and disenfranchised, so why should they follow the social compact when it's not working for them and now it's being used to insult their faith with impunity? Western Europe isn't offering them a good enough deal right now, and until it does flareups like this and the riots in France are inevitable.

  

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203. "RE: it makes some good points"
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well, the Australian media has a similar issue with reprinting the names of deceased Aborigines - this is apparrently offensive to Aborigines (although they are, or rather were until quite recently, a pre-literate society, so this taboo doesn't make complete sense to me) however, the aborigines are in a sense entitled to fall back on the claim that they were there first, and therefore the white/non-aboriginal Australians should abide by their laws. Could you not say a similar principle should apply in Europe?

Also, you will notice that the English response to the marches in London has been not to set fire to mosques etc., but to seek redress through the legal system if possible (ironically, through the new religious hatred Act to the extent applicable). But if the protesters didn't break the law, then you can't prosecute them. I think that's right - they exercised their rights in the way that they are entitled to (and in a way they might struggle to under a theocracy or certain other states I could mention, unless their demonstration was staged and agreed entirely with the aims of that state...)

  

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222. "the Aborigenes are free to come to terms with writing however they like"
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And I think an even more compelling claim is that disenfranchised minority rights should be respected, and extra sensitivity should be shown, partly out of pragmatism, partly just out of good taste and compassion. On the one hand everyone and their beliefs are free to be discussed and/or made fun of, on the other hand yes, I do think pragmatism should enter into the equation, and I don't really think those newspaper editors are as naive as they claim to be, I think they have something of a stake in forcing a confrontation between "Western" and "Muslim" values. That's not to say the people threatening violence over this aren't over-reacting, they are, but there is an element of baiting too, and it's disappointing to see.

  

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199. "what were the stories about then?"
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If the cartoons are a big enough deal to be reprinted, surely the editors already had some inkling about just what a big deal it is to show cartoons of Mohammed, let alone cartoons showing him as a terrorist. Maybe they didn't know the reaction would be so extreme,
>
>i don't think any of the newspapers set out to provike the
>kind of reaction they did - see most of the editors have now
>said that if they'd known what would happen they wouldn't have
>bothered.
>
>also i note that the guardian is perfectly happy to antagonise
>some groups of society but not others (thinking of an example
>off the top of my head, the Myra Hindley picture springs to
>mind). i guess as on a level of pragmatism they just don't
>want to antagonise those who will burn down buildings and
>kidnap people to express their hurt feelings.
>
What's the Myra Hindley picture? And obviously this isn't just about "hurt feelings", it's just become a touchstone for a much deeper issue.

  

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205. "RE: what were the stories about then?"
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>If the cartoons are a big enough deal to be reprinted, surely
>the editors already had some inkling about just what a big
>deal it is to show cartoons of Mohammed, let alone cartoons
>showing him as a terrorist. Maybe they didn't know the
>reaction would be so extreme,
>>
>>i don't think any of the newspapers set out to provike the
>>kind of reaction they did - see most of the editors have now
>>said that if they'd known what would happen they wouldn't
>have
>>bothered.
>>
>>also i note that the guardian is perfectly happy to
>antagonise
>>some groups of society but not others (thinking of an
>example
>>off the top of my head, the Myra Hindley picture springs to
>>mind). i guess as on a level of pragmatism they just don't
>>want to antagonise those who will burn down buildings and
>>kidnap people to express their hurt feelings.
>>
>What's the Myra Hindley picture? And obviously this isn't just
>about "hurt feelings", it's just become a touchstone for a
>much deeper issue.
>

link from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myra_Hindley

"In 1997 a painting of Hindley composed of children's handprints by the artist Marcus Harvey was shown as part of the Sensation exhibition at the Royal Academy of Art in London. It attracted widespread protest, including from Winnie Johnson, the mother of one of Hindley's victims. It was vandalised with eggs and ink and eventually had to be have two armed guards and be protected behind Perspex."

It doesn't mention it here, but I remember that when Myra died, every other English paper had the mugshot on the front page: the Guardian thought it appropriate to put the Marcus Harvey picture on the front page. Surely equally as offensive to the families of the victims (most of whom would have seen the paper on the newstands - it is after all the manchester guardian originally) and those who are offended by such things (I find it hard to judge such things).

However, the Guardian clearly thought it appropriate in these circumstances to publish the picture.

I write as a long time Guardian reader - I just find it a little hard to swallow, all their supposed concern over offending their readers and others - as I said earlier, I think pragmatism enters into it - the victims families, no matter how outraged, won't kidnap or murder guardian employees...

  

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221. "I really don't think that's equivalent"
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I mean I can understand people being outraged over the artwork, but printing it as her obituary picture actually seems appropriate in a way, it brings home the enormity of her crimes even more. I can understand the victims' families being upset, but I don't see that anyone else really has a claim.

  

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161. "They're BURNING Danish Flags like those shits are American. nm."
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165. "Burning flags is so fuckin Passe..."
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mostly because they've been burning them over the past 10 years like they are going out of business...
Its more of a joke at this point than anything

A lack of effort and creativity if you ask me

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168. "Don't worry the gulf is banning Danish products as well"
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which hurts them in the only place they value as much as Muslims value their relgion

their pocketbooks.


Ban all that shit I say and hike up the gas prices on those bitches

they can use windmill power



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172. "my thoughts"
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While Christianity has a long and rich history of physical depictions of Jesus, the same isn't true for Islam and Muhammad. Islam is very strict on this because in its foundation it wanted to separate the religion from its "pagan" neighbors. Muslim tradition sees depictions of a deity as idolatry. For Christianity, much faith and tradition revolves around the many depictions of Christ...such as altarpieces, icons, etc. This difference can never be understated because it is so fundamental. So while Muslims for good reason object to the mockery of Muhammad, just the idea of having their prophet depicted is blasphemy in itself.
So while the European newspaper editors have the right of freedom of speech, Muslims and others have the same right to be offended, protest, and boycott.
Unfortunately at the end of the day all this does is polarize these two groups more and more.

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175. "Muhammed is not a deity for muslims he is a Prophet."
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180. "yea i know, thats what i meant n/m"
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187. "^^^The post can end here."
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Iman. Islam. Ihsan.

  

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188. "^^^The post can end here."
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Iman. Islam. Ihsan.

  

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192. "RE: ^^^The post can end here."
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except that islam does have a history of representing the prophet

(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siyer-i_Nebi and also links at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons)

and Christianity also has a history of iconoclasm

(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm)

so I don't think that's the end of it.

  

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197. "RE: ^^^The post can end here."
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I'm aware of the things you posted, but those are exceptions rather than being representative of the religions. It does change the fact that Christianity has a long and rich history of depicting Jesus and Islam doesn't of Muhammad. Christians started depicting Jesus just a couple of centuries after his death and has continued steadily into present times. While you cited some exceptions in Islam, most Muslims (as stated in one of the wikipedia articles you presented) find images of Muhammad as idolatrous. Most Christian churches have many images of Jesus, can the same be said for Muhammad in Muslim mosques?

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208. "RE: ^^^The post can end here."
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>I'm aware of the things you posted, but those are exceptions
>rather than being representative of the religions. It does
>change the fact that Christianity has a long and rich history
>of depicting Jesus and Islam doesn't of Muhammad. Christians
>started depicting Jesus just a couple of centuries after his
>death and has continued steadily into present times. While you
>cited some exceptions in Islam, most Muslims (as stated in one
>of the wikipedia articles you presented) find images of
>Muhammad as idolatrous. Most Christian churches have many
>images of Jesus, can the same be said for Muhammad in Muslim
>mosques?

to put housenegro's comment below in more moderate terms, does this mean that non-religious newspapers should respect Muslim sensibilities to the extent of not publishing the cartoons?

should Rushdie not have written the satanic verses?

it goes wider - should people be able to critise the state of israel without being labelled anti-semitic?

  

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207. "okay...so this means those cartoonists should be killed"
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231. "not for nothing, but jesus isn't a deity."
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176. "RE: so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam"
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its funny how christianity gets mocked on a daily basis on tv, news papers, rolling stones covers, music etc etc and people just look at it as freedome of speech or a joke.. but the second somebody makes a joke about an islamic issue its an "attack". get over it. its a comic for fucks sake, christians have had to deal with this shit on a daily basis and theyve learned to deal with it, so I think muslims can learn to handle one joke. uptight mothafuckaz.

  

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177. "you should read more. or not."
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now that I think about it
stay small minded

everywhere is America

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182. "^^555 notice in this individuals responses"
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they never deal with the truth of folks comments, but will go RIGHT in2 the ad-hominem/"u-sure-are-stupid" responses instead of answering peoples questions or addressing their comments.

FACT: christianity is ridiculed on a daily bases in this country. christianity is often the butt of many jokes in the media and amongst intellectuals across the globe.

FACT: muslims hate being ridiculed and think they are above such. if you ridicule muslims and islam, prepare to defend your life.

ALSO notice that ALL muslims tell you to "read-read-read", nothing is wrong with reading, but I shouldnt have to READ shit if I ask you a simple question about why muslims are ALWAYS calling for BLOODSHED/DEATH/JIHAD over stupid shit like flushing a koran down a toilet or some cartoons...I wonder what the worlds reaction would have been if the catholic church told everyone to "READ" scribes and texts when those molestations came out...

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186. "RE: ^^555 notice in this individuals responses"
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>they never deal with the truth of folks comments, but will go
>RIGHT in2 the ad-hominem/"u-sure-are-stupid" responses instead
>of answering peoples questions or addressing their comments.
>
>FACT: christianity is ridiculed on a daily bases in this
>country. christianity is often the butt of many jokes in the
>media and amongst intellectuals across the globe.
>
>FACT: muslims hate being ridiculed and think they are above
>such. if you ridicule muslims and islam, prepare to defend
>your life.
>
>ALSO notice that ALL muslims tell you to "read-read-read",
>nothing is wrong with reading, but I shouldnt have to READ
>shit if I ask you a simple question about why muslims are
>ALWAYS calling for BLOODSHED/DEATH/JIHAD over stupid shit like
>flushing a koran down a toilet or some cartoons...I wonder
>what the worlds reaction would have been if the catholic
>church told everyone to "READ" scribes and texts when those
>molestations came out...
>

The European people's existance on this earth revolves around hating anything and everything that is not of them.Half of their lifetime energies is spent on hating and trying to make others sad like they are.
They hijacked christianity at some point and re-tought it to the world with intend to brainwash people like you,of which they succeeded.
Have you stopped to think what you are trying to justify?What happened to your natural intinct at to what is wrong and right???
who washed your brains off?

  

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223. "so simply minded..."
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>>They hijacked christianity at some point and re-tought it to the world with intend to brainwash people like you

And the same exact thing is being done...RIGHT NOW, with Islam around the world...

You sound like an ignorant moronic bigot

  

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196. "to me, bits in this thread is actually kinda offensive"
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For one, I don't particularily enjoy being called a racist.

Why should the actions of a private newspaper affect my entire country, especially when most of us (people in Denmark) cannot even agree upon the content in said newspaper? Lots of people here find this stuff to be distasteful.

And we're not just talking about economic rammifications here, a Danish embassy was burned down yesterday, and a consulate in Beirut was put on fire earlier today, too. Not to forget the people that have been assaulted, or the death threats that we have received.

The real problem lies in the fact that several right-wing extremists, and some radical islamists (sadly, most of the imams that currently reside in Denmark fall in under this category) have been clashing quite a bit as of late, and it seems that they're doing everything in their might to piss each other off at the moment. And sadly, this does have its effect on people who'd rather not be involved, most likely because they realise that the world isn't black or white.

It's been brewing for a long time too. Somebody mentioned Theo Van Gogh, and although he wasn't directly involved, we have been facing some of the same tensions the last couple of years. About 6 months ago, a lector at the university of denmark was assaulted because he read a passage of the koran to a couple of non-muslims, just like people have been afraid to represent islam in any kind of printed media. Something that sparked the entire discussion, which I actually feel was very necessary. I just happen not to agree with how it was executed by the newspaper, JP, either, mostly because they ended up pissing off a fuckton of moderate muslims as well. Obviously, this does go both ways, and especially one nationalistic party over here has been incredibly provocative, and arrogant.

In conclusion, extremism, whether represented through political or religous belief, is bad mkay?

  

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200. "extremism is not bad if it is ISLAM/MUSLIM"
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that is what the world is SUPPOSE to believe, and if you don't, prepare to die.

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204. "Your premise is wrong"
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Your premise is wrong. if the world/free press was so shook of Islam/Muslims the cartoons would have never been printed in the first place. The fact that they were printed, for no other reason than to insult Islam/muslims, by using a caricature of Prophet Muhammad wearing a bomb as a turban and other carictures proves that point. I don't see how you can say that the Media or world is shook by Islam/Muslims when the reality is that Western Media has an anti-Islam stance.

  

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206. "okay the press doesnt like islam"
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does that mean the members of the press should DIE?

now watch this person not answer...muslims NEVER answer when DIRECTLY asked about whether or not islam promotes MURDER of folks and they DAMN sure wont answer...all these muslims in this post, and not ONE has denounced these actions following these cartoons...and we all know that some, if not ALL of these cartoonist will be killed as a result of this....

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209. "YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE!"
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AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL- Sam Jackson. Is that what you want to hear? if so, too bad becuase I'm being so facetious. No I don't think they should be killed, and last time I checked no one has been killed over these cartoons.
will you admit that the sole purpose of the cartoons were to rile up/inflame tensions that already exist?

  

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j bowman
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210. "RE: YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE!"
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not confirmed whether or not this is connected yet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4683548.stm

  

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Zion3Lion
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211. "so why post it?"
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if it's not clear? and turkey is known for being a very secular country for the record.

  

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j bowman
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212. "RE: so why post it?"
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why say that noone has been killed over the cartoons yet when buildings are being torched and protesters are marching around my city with slogans saying butcher the unbelievers?

  

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Zion3Lion
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213. "i said"
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as far as I know , no one has been killed over it and as far as I or you or anyone else still knows, no one has. i never said people were not protesting/rioting.

  

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j bowman
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214. "RE: i said"
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no offense intended I know, peace

  

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201. "ALL of this is helping the Bush Administration"
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all bush has to do is sit back and watch these "freindly, peaceful, loving, intelligent and caring" muslims burn buildings, threaten to kill people, threaten a 9-11 style of attack over some CARTOONS and let the WORLD see what the islamic/muslim faith is really all about for themselves.

http://www.myspace.com/lovingrnbfromthe1990s

  

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216. "and all we have to do is observe the countless scandels"
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from Jack Abramhof to Tom Daley to the billions stolen in Iraq by felons the administration put in charge after the war. Or the Gay male prostitutes like Jeff Gannon that get access to the White House at all hours day and night.

to see what these fake Chirstian fundamentalists are all about.

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217. "Can't forget about Libby, Plame gate, illegal spying"
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on American citizens , torturting people in custody
Lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction, standing by while the people in New Orlenas got washed out by Katrina


and on and on and on


half the story hasn't been told. I can't keep track of all the evil shit these people are doing. What does that say to world to people who have eyes to see?

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218. "you're reaching. none of that was done "in the name" of christianity"
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***
when I come around, they frown
then wanna dap me down
but when I leave?

  

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219. "Well except the President calling people evil doers and saying"
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God is not neutral ina fight between the evil doers and the good.

The whole religious right in America have worked to change the entire direction of the framers mostely secular democracy based on their relgious beliefs.

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220. "cut it out already"
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there's enough people who are looking at both sides of the story here.

My opinion (please read all the way before jumping to your conclusion):

Those publishing the cartoons were at fault for intentionally hurting the feelings of millions of people around the world. Freedom of speech is great, but in this case it was abused to insult a religion. Wether this happens to other religions as well, or not, doesn't really matter. Most religions are the target of insults and mockery on a regular basis, and if they feel insulted, freedom of speech allows them to protest in a non-violent way if they wish so. The fact that Muslims are offended, and wish to protest, is just an exercition of the rights that are held so high in western society.
That is, as long as it's non-violent. The burning of embassies, physically injuring of innocent people (even a dutch photographer who happened to be at the scene), and general violent behaviour, is not only wrong from a moral perspective, it's also counterproductive. Your (and other's) reaction is a good illustration of what it produces: a 'told you so' sentiment amongst opponents of Islamic/Arabic beliefs and culture, in spite of any moderate/civilised response by peaceful Muslims.

In my opinion, the problem lies ultimately with the people who have something to gain by polarising the already delicate relationship between the Western and Arabic worlds. Those people can be found on both sides of the fence, and I think their motivation is the same: power. One the one hand you have Western nationalists rallying people under their flag in the name of freedom of speech/expression, and on the other hand you have extremists rallying people under their flag in the name of Islam. It's only the flag and methods that differ, their ulterior motives are just as bad as the others'.

It's just so hard to make people see that they're being played on all sides.


I'm #ffffff

  

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224. "RE: so European newspapers are getting their jollies off attacking Islam"
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Bottom Line is this:

Actually suceeded:
Nelson Mandela,
MLK,
Ghandi

Lost:
Arafat
Osama
Idi amin


Not because of their religion or who they are/were.. Rather,
because of their methodology.. If you cannot learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

  

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225. " Tshirt view of history. tell some Sikh ppl how great Ghandi was"
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226. "Free speech in Europe....unless you deny the holocaust"
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/secondworldwar/story/0,,1696896,00.html

I'm not defending this nut

point is all he did was make speeches

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227. "not even close"
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to the same thing...Not that I think he should be in jail at all...But we're talking apples and oranges here
Nice try though

  

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228. "same damn thing. Free speech for insulting others"
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when it hits close to home
not so nice

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229. "I'm not surprised that you cannot see the difference...."
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But I'm not one to hold your hand to explain simple concepts...
So i'll just tell you again
Apples and Oranges
Not comparable...
sorry

  

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230. "europe is not a country"
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