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southphillyman
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"CHRISTIANS WHO HATE ON BUSH DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE BIBLE"


  

          

u think God endorses christians hating on the government?
get real
jesus said "give ceasar things to ceasar"
now in the specific context that he was saying this he was referring to the jews paying a heavy tax levied by the romans
but still the general tone is that we as christians should be law abiding citizens and respect the authority of the government
jesus also alluded to this when one of them cats, paul i think, cut off the roman soldier ear
did jesus scream "revolution!!!!" and grab a sword and go to work?
uh,no. he healed the mans ear and allowed his self to be arrested
because he respected the authourity of the land for one AND the event was previously predicted to occur anyway (which ties in with what i say later)

another point which should be considered is the fact that a true christian should realize that a fair and just government will NEVER occur as long as imperfect man is the ruler of it
if u think i'm lying look in the history books and show me ONE government which was free of corruption and misdoings
it doesn't exist
therefore don't waste ur time fretting over situatins which are blatantly predicted in the bible
jesus said we will live in a time of lawlessness, corruption and wrong doing
and that certain events will signal the beginning of the end
that being the case, imo, it is futile to waste ur time and energy fighting a circumstance that is predicted to happen
that is exactly why i don't vote
what ever is going to happen
is going to happen
alot of ppl i know had hope in their hearts about the last elections
lmao
u can't stop what is destined to happen ock
somebody already outlined these precussors mad yrs ago
just fall back and stop hating on bush
it's not christian like

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You're absolutely right.
Sep 01st 2005
yes.
Sep 01st 2005
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*weeps*
Sep 01st 2005
37
*sighs*
Sep 01st 2005
44
okay, maybe that was a little harsh...
Sep 01st 2005
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unfortunately, yes.
Sep 01st 2005
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i'll pray for his downfall
Sep 01st 2005
48
it really must be the end of days...
Sep 01st 2005
1
LOL!
Sep 01st 2005
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uh, believe it or not .. i know ALOT about alot
Sep 01st 2005
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RE: uh, believe it or not .. i know ALOT about alot
Sep 01st 2005
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      thanks
Sep 01st 2005
15
i hate to tell u
Sep 01st 2005
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yo in case its really the end of days... :)~
Sep 01st 2005
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That don't mean we gotta agree with him n/m
Sep 01st 2005
2
jesus didn't agree with the pagan Romans
Sep 01st 2005
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      who's endorsing stuff... besides Pat Robertson? n/m
Sep 01st 2005
           RE: who's endorsing stuff... besides Pat Robertson? n/m
Sep 01st 2005
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                is that rising up or stating an opinion? n/m
Sep 01st 2005
this may well be yr GOAT post.
Sep 01st 2005
3
word..Bush is a Tool.. (in more ways than one)..
Sep 01st 2005
5
Have time to elaborate?
Sep 01st 2005
7
not at the moment but lets just say.....
Sep 01st 2005
53
this is the deep part
Sep 01st 2005
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There are statutory laws and supreme laws.
Sep 01st 2005
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respect....yes
Sep 01st 2005
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no it's not
Sep 01st 2005
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      so what about the bush administration's
Sep 01st 2005
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      In That Case
Sep 01st 2005
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i didn't actually read into all that
Sep 01st 2005
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Bush = Satan
Sep 01st 2005
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i'm a buffet christian. that's one of the parts i don't believe. nm
Sep 01st 2005
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buffet meaning what?
Sep 01st 2005
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and now u get the liberty to pick and choose what u believe?
Sep 01st 2005
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basically. i always have this conundrum. parts which seem to serve no
Sep 01st 2005
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      thats word, b.
Sep 01st 2005
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      this part has been critical for me:
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      the last 2 years of my life
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      ^^^ REAL TALK
Sep 01st 2005
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           don't follow me. one of my biggest fears is of leading someone else
Sep 01st 2005
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i know you are. jesus also destroyed the temple. thing is, that's the
Sep 01st 2005
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      how are u taking part in the evil by disassociating urself from it?
Sep 01st 2005
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           POST #54 makes my entire outlook manifest. if you have questions
Sep 01st 2005
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                post 54 suggests u have little faith in God man
Sep 01st 2005
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                     i have utmost faith in God, and 0 faith in man. i don't know His plan.
Sep 01st 2005
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i love you
Sep 01st 2005
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God's Kids 75 & Under Eat Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 01st 2005
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      u stupid, cole-ina. but get some of that manna, it's fresh from the sky.
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It was PETER, not PAUL...
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!?!?!?
Sep 01st 2005
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RE: CHRISTIANS WHO HATE ON BUSH DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE BIBLE
Sep 01st 2005
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uh if u think jesus and his followers didn't openly respect the law
Sep 01st 2005
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      RE: uh if u think jesus and his followers didn't openly respect the law
Sep 01st 2005
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           lmao, u must be new here
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           ie., healing on the sabbath
Sep 01st 2005
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You didn't point out where that is in the Bible.
Sep 01st 2005
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Ding ding ding!
Sep 01st 2005
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i gave the context of the qoutes and the ear incident is pretty well
Sep 01st 2005
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      ...
Sep 01st 2005
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      what is the link for?
Sep 01st 2005
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      Yeah, i've heard of that...
Sep 01st 2005
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      again how are u following bush blindly by not involving urself ?
Sep 01st 2005
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      i will take the test but i wont study for it
Sep 01st 2005
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      also, peter at gethsemane, could not have interceded because it
Sep 01st 2005
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      Jesus in Gethsemane...
Sep 01st 2005
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I love Jesus
Sep 01st 2005
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MUGFUCKER YOU PREACHIN'
Sep 01st 2005
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so how do you reconcile all this admonition on your part
Sep 01st 2005
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i have the same problem u do
Sep 01st 2005
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      ^^PLEAS COPPED
Sep 01st 2005
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           i'm not being hypocritical of anything
Sep 01st 2005
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                hypocrisy never nullifies the message, if it's true.
Sep 01st 2005
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                     i'm not doing the exact opposite tho
Sep 01st 2005
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i respect his office (the presidency itself)
Sep 01st 2005
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thanks negrod-anus
Sep 01st 2005
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god's law supercedes man law, ultimately....as in..
Sep 01st 2005
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New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures...
Sep 01st 2005
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yo we need to hang out at the RE
Sep 01st 2005
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and that's why he got re-elected!
Sep 01st 2005
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your reference is a little off
Sep 01st 2005
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Thank you, that's what I was looking for.
Sep 01st 2005
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i pointed out what the qoute was specifically about
Sep 01st 2005
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      eh
Sep 01st 2005
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           word. that passage specifically is talking about money - taxes -
Sep 01st 2005
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           my rememberance was that the ppl were getting hype at
Sep 01st 2005
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                for clarification
Sep 01st 2005
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this is a great post, btw. nm
Sep 01st 2005
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to further address your assertion:
Sep 01st 2005
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imo that is the only allowance to react
Sep 01st 2005
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wow. good insight.
Sep 01st 2005
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P.S. if you don't vote
Sep 01st 2005
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In That Case
Sep 01st 2005
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Yet another reason why I will NEVER be a Christian.
Sep 01st 2005
this Buildingblock/Basailga steez is working out well for you
Sep 01st 2005
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NinAnin
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"You're absolutely right."


          

We should be praying for him. Don't have to like him or what he does or even what he stands for but he is our leader for now.

Just like our bosses at the job, parents, all that...They are in a place of authority and need to be treated as such. Not to say that they're always right by any means...I'm just sayin.

I may not be saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I may be saying something that someone's never heard before.

  

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8. "yes."
In response to Reply # 0


          

  

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aurora borealis
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37. "*weeps*"
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My God.

This is so dumb I don't even know what to say.

Is this really how people think of the world?

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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

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NinAnin
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44. "*sighs*"
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Thu Sep-01-05 02:25 PM by NinAnin

          

What is dumb? Please help me understand you're great intelligence in comparison to my simplemindedness...please oh wise one? *bows to you...but not really*

I may not be saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I may be saying something that someone's never heard before.

  

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aurora borealis
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56. "okay, maybe that was a little harsh..."
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I was also reacting to the original post.

But just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't mean that they deserve that authority, or that they are using it wisely, or even that they should be treated with respect, necessarily.

I hate to invoke Hitler, it's too easy, but...you know?

What would this world look like if authority were always blindly obeyed and never challenged? Can you imagine?

People in positions of authority abuse their power all the time, they make disastrous decisions, they act foolishly, etc. Don't they need to be held accountable for that? Should there be no criticism, no consequences? How could you possibly think that?





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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

-- Bertrand Russell

  

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68. "unfortunately, yes."
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>>Is this really how people think of the world?<<

  

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48. "i'll pray for his downfall"
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1. "it really must be the end of days..."
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cuz i never thought i'd see SPM of all people up here telling folks what is and what is not Christian-like behavior. Tryna interpret scripture and whatnot. *shrug* Hunh, who woulda thunk it?

  

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4. "LOL!"
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I might need to back n reread them prophecies...iunno if I saw SPM in em on the last go!

*{gets magnifying glass}*

"I have a commitment to worship the Prince of Peace, not the Prince of Preemptive War." -Jimmy Carter

tashiesanoreo: *kicks phillyjawn in the nuts*

  

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6. "uh, believe it or not .. i know ALOT about alot"
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the bible is only one of them

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11. "RE: uh, believe it or not .. i know ALOT about alot"
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>the bible is only one of them

"jesus also alluded to this when one of them cats, paul i think, cut off the roman soldier ear"

It was Peter.

Paul was never even mentioned until the book of Acts, when he was first a persecutor of Christians.

  

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15. "thanks"
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i haven't picked up a bible since 99
becoming rusty with some details

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21. "i hate to tell u"
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but dude's a genius

he might not have wanted all of yall to know that shit

but its true

  

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23. "yo in case its really the end of days... :)~"
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2. "That don't mean we gotta agree with him n/m"
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10. "jesus didn't agree with the pagan Romans"
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but he didn't endorse out rising against them either

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"who's endorsing stuff... besides Pat Robertson? n/m"


  

          

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20. "RE: who's endorsing stuff... besides Pat Robertson? n/m"
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i just be seeing mad christians on this board saying bush should do this and that and this and that

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"is that rising up or stating an opinion? n/m"


  

          

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3. "this may well be yr GOAT post."
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im not sure you can top this.

  

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5. "word..Bush is a Tool.. (in more ways than one).."
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and he dont even know it.

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7. "Have time to elaborate?"
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?

I may not be saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I may be saying something that someone's never heard before.

  

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53. "not at the moment but lets just say....."
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he fulfilling madd prophecy!

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13. "this is the deep part"
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>and he dont even know it.

^^^true story^^^

it's like nigga don't even know what he fulfilling,lol

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9. "There are statutory laws and supreme laws."
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What does government have to do with god?

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12. "respect....yes"
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Just like if your boss at work was calling people niggers, harrassing the female workers and other unfair things, you would need to stand up. Respectfully....but its your duty to say something


that scripture doesnt call for blind obedience

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24. "no it's not"
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i think thats obvious to a point
but when ppl (christians) start to actively pursue political agendas in order to "promote" whats right i think it contradicts examples we see in the bible
excluding the old testament when the government itself was "Gods law" , christians for the most part were passive in their political involvement and aggressiveness and imo the government they lived under was more corrupt then ours and had a much more intimate impact on their daily lives

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52. "so what about the bush administration's"
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>i think thats obvious to a point
>but when ppl (christians) start to actively pursue political
>agendas in order to "promote" whats right i think it
>contradicts examples we see in the bible
>excluding the o


stance on gay marriage & abortion...the law only applies to them,..is that it?

  

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86. "In That Case"
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TO should've never bitched about his contract

Abdul Jabbar, Muggsy Malone you
I don't know what that means but you know what I meant when I told you (c) Sean Price

  

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14. "i didn't actually read into all that"
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& i doubt others cosigning fully read what you wrote yo

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16. "Bush = Satan"
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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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17. "i'm a buffet christian. that's one of the parts i don't believe. nm"
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peace & blessings,

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27. "buffet meaning what?"
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and now u get the liberty to pick and choose what u believe?
i'm just going off trends and specific examples of early christian involvement wit the govt. as detailed in the bible

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38. "and now u get the liberty to pick and choose what u believe?"
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everyone does this. no one that follows any bible based religon follows all the laws... im not saying its right, but you asked him if he is going to pick and choose.

take for isntance the mosaic laws... the only ppl i know who practice those on a day to day basis are the hasidic jews... and i dont even think they follow all of them. im not versed enough in that religion to say all or not... all i know is that one verse satates: do not cut the hair close to your ears, and thats why they have them curly q's. however, deutoronomy clearly states that you should not eat pork. some religions follow this and some do not. my parents are sda. they follow that principle. but baptists, etc so not follw that.

thats picking and choosing.

so every one that abides by the bible doenst abide by the bible.

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54. "basically. i always have this conundrum. parts which seem to serve no"
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purpose other than man's need for control, i look at them very skeptically, or at least consider them more allegorically.

christians were getting murked left and right by the romans. had they all went out and just tried to bumrush the gov't, they'd all be dead, and there'd need to be a new revelation to teach and reach new believers.

clearly, then, the bible can't sanction wholesale suicide missions. and yet many, unquestionably, died for their faith in christ. their bloodshed and sacrifice i take to be secondary evidence of His.

but all that said and done, the bible was written by men, and even throughout the bible, no man perfectly obeyed God's will. and you got preachers nowadays that get on tv and in pulpits and say things that are patently false, and if God don't strike them down with lightning for milking old ladies retirement funds, i find it probable that folks with other agendas slipped some stuff in and pulled some stuff out of the bible over the years that it took for it to be collated.

there's differences between the catholic and protestant bibles (apocrypha, etc). if God was micromanaging the reproduction and translation of his Word, i don't see how that could be the case.

so i read and i pray for understanding and i will adhere to the parts that seem true (and repent for those areas in which i fall short), and take with a grain of Lot brand salt those areas that seem to serve the interests of men.

THAT is the best that i can do, honestly, in my heart, and i have prayed and struggled for years on this. if this is not enough, i trust that my God will make my errors clear to me on my day of judgement. and i have no recourse but His Mercy.


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58. "thats word, b."
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59. "this part has been critical for me:"
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>so i read and i pray for understanding and i will adhere to
>the parts that seem true (and repent for those areas in which
>i fall short), and take with a grain of Lot brand salt those
>areas that seem to serve the interests of men.
>
>THAT is the best that i can do, honestly, in my heart, and i
>have prayed and struggled for years on this. if this is not
>enough, i trust that my God will make my errors clear to me on
>my day of judgement. and i have no recourse but His Mercy.

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65. "the last 2 years of my life"
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that's ALL it's been.

what poetx said is word life.

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76. "^^^ REAL TALK"
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Damn, I find myself cosigning your shit constantly. You're an example of "When Keeping it Real Goes Right."

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78. "don't follow me. one of my biggest fears is of leading someone else"
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astray, which is why i tend not to voice my doubts.

irreverent as i have been for most of my life (including a long stretch of agnosticism) , i nonetheless try to follow Jesus' example, even if i'm not always 100% sure i'm walking in the right direction.

the two main commandments he gave are hard enough in themselves "first, that you would love the Lord thy God with all of your mind, body and soul, and that you would love your neighbor as yourself".

the second, i do ok with, but the first is always chastening. i have numerous things which distract me from having a godly perspective and behaviour. i *try* to be an example but more often than not fall short.
thanks, though.


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39. "i know you are. jesus also destroyed the temple. thing is, that's the"
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thinking (ceding all power to caesar and obeying the government) that woulda had us still slaves . and no civil rights movement. so i can't clap to that.

we're to obey the government if it is just (just as when women are ordered to obey their husbands, it's as their husbands submit to God -- the point being that you do not have to submit if he does not submit).

if my government is evil i am not commanded to participate in that evil.

i'm not wit that.

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47. "how are u taking part in the evil by disassociating urself from it?"
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i don't understand that part
and btw the jews were damn near slaves of the romans in jesus era
so tho it was good point about american slavery i dont even know if violent or aggressive uprising is in line with Gods philosohpy in that instance

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57. "POST #54 makes my entire outlook manifest. if you have questions"
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beyond that, i'll be happy to answer.

i don't claim at all to be an expert, but i've read much more of the bible in the past 3yrs than in all the previous years of my life.

the pastor of my church could be considered to be fundamentalist, literalist, etc. i have learned a lot. and a lot of things that i previously may not have understood, i have a better understanding/appreciation of as he is an excellent teacher. still, his thought != my thought.


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63. "post 54 suggests u have little faith in God man"
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if you think he couldnt transmit his teachings to his followers accurately
i too believe there are MANY false teachings being pumped out here, but imo many of them are damn obvious
i'm not sayigng get on ur knees and pray to a statue of a dude that died in 1805 or give 100K to preacher shiny suit
i'm saying going off tones thru out the new testament and direct qoutes from jesus i believe we are to respect the authority of the govt. and not worrying ourselves with being revolutionaries because this is not the kingdom of God and as result is destined to be evil and hard to deal with

another thing imo trying to determine what should be followed and what should not is VERY dangerous
u are a mere human dawg
i mean really, who are u to deem what is right and wrong?
don't let ur imperfect being decide which of Gods law are good enough for u to follow,etc

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75. "i have utmost faith in God, and 0 faith in man. i don't know His plan."
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i know what i am told is His plan. but i also know that other people are told that He has another plan (ie, lardlad's post about comparative religion, and whether the same justifications for christianity can't be used for judaism, islam, hinduism, buddhism, etc).

if God was that hands on with his message, every TRUE bible would have glowing letters that illuminated that this was, indeed, the irrefutable Word Of God, untampered with, unexpurgated, and unavoidable. faced with that, we could still have free will and choose to ignore or obey. but there would be no uncertainty.

>if you think he couldnt transmit his teachings to his
>followers accurately
>i too believe there are MANY false teachings being pumped out
>here, but imo many of them are damn obvious
>i'm not sayigng get on ur knees and pray to a statue of a dude
>that died in 1805 or give 100K to preacher shiny suit
>i'm saying going off tones thru out the new testament and
>direct qoutes from jesus i believe we are to respect the
>authority of the govt. and not worrying ourselves with being
>revolutionaries because this is not the kingdom of God and as
>result is destined to be evil and hard to deal with

the thing is. we SEE the false teachings. we SEE people pervert god's word for their own personal benefit and to inflict pain and suffering and further evil in this world and they do so blithely, without visible repercussion. of course, that is god's prerogative to deal with them later but what of those who are led astray by false teachings in the meantime?

>another thing imo trying to determine what should be followed
>and what should not is VERY dangerous
>u are a mere human dawg
>i mean really, who are u to deem what is right and wrong?

i don't deem what's right and wrong. i pray to God to guide me in decisions major and minor. but, again, if there are a zillion 'sects' or denominations of christianity alone, not to mention all of the other religions out there, then based upon these facts alone God doesn't seem to be very hands on in dealing w/ apostacy and man's substitution of 'his' earthly will for God's divine one. and we know from documented history the many perversions and manipulations of the church to suit the will of little men. how then can ANYONE stand and declare that this one version of the bible (pick the protestant or catholic) is totally accurate and contains not a speck of addition or subtraction?

>don't let ur imperfect being decide which of Gods law are good
>enough for u to follow,etc

i try to follow them. but i recognize that there are cultural and human influences. the prohibitions about certain foods were necessary prior to refrigeration and sanitation. likewise, the jewish taboo dealing with dead bodies (which jesus violated on many occasions, making his resurrection of lazarus and the little girl even MORE incredible in context. he also violated the one about the impurity of menstruating women by healing the woman who had 'an issue of the blood' who was, in other words, hemorraghing) sprang from the limits of medicine at that time.

i would be lying to myself and equally double minded if i said i believed, absolutely, in all of these things and i didn't. i've asked folks in previous churches about this and they said pray the lord will "cure my unbelief".

thomas doubted and he was right there on the spot w/ jesus watching it happen.

i believe God is real. my faith is real. and he has delivered me and mine from so many circumstances and blessed me abundantly beyond my wildest dreams and imagination, and infinitely above what a sinner such as myself deserves.

he has created me, including my positives and my flaws, and if, ultimately, my reasoning (and i know the scripture says to 'lean not on thy own understanding) is faulty, i CAN say that i have nonetheless believed in Him and tried to do his will. and if that is not enough then so be it. but that is all that i can give.

my understanding of God and knowledge of the bible is evolving (no pun intended) and who knows, i may be somewhere else in time. my kids can already quote and explain more scripture than i could at 30 (although i am fast catching up). i actually teach children's church and another youth ministry and have led children to christ, and do not deviate from the biblical teachings in doing so. (i keep any of my doubts and misgivings to myself and give them the Word as written). and i never believe it more than when i am teaching it to them, explaining to a ten or eleven year old the meaning of romans 3:23 "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God", or explaining the verse "if you should mark iniquities, O lord, who could stand?" and "there is no other name given among men (Jesus) by which you can be saved" and even incorporate that into my parenting.

it took the longest time to assure my now 8yr old son that his salvation was assured by his acceptance of Christ as his savior and that his misdeeds in school did not warrant his literal death, or that he was jeopardizing his soul on a daily basis, but that salvation is God's gift and that his adherence to God's word was his gift to God, and that righteousness, though as filthy rags, is a declaration of thanks for God's indescribable gift.

and i do thank you for your questions. i talk about things on here that i can not talk about in real life. folks would look at me like i got horns growing out of my head.


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35. "i love you"
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61. "God's Kids 75 & Under Eat Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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80. "u stupid, cole-ina. but get some of that manna, it's fresh from the sky."
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and don't sit down unless you get a heapin' helpin' of that grace and mercy. (don't waste it).


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18. "It was PETER, not PAUL..."
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>jesus also alluded to this when one of them cats, paul i
>think, cut off the roman soldier ear


"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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19. "!?!?!?"
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22. "RE: CHRISTIANS WHO HATE ON BUSH DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE BIBLE"
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>because he respected the authourity of the land for one AND
>the event was previously predicted to occur anyway (which ties
>in with what i say later)
^^^^^
NO - Jesus respected the authority of GOD and he didn't allow HIMSELF to be arrested because of any respect of Roman Law...there was a MUCH BIGGER PICTURE...like the saving of people from their sins...he allowed what happened so he could get to the end...

Respecting Government doesn't mean that you allow LAWLESSNESS from government officials. You repsect the LAW...not the corruption of the people in charge of the law...
Thats just bad interpretaion - this is part of the reason people don't deal with religion - because of such perversions of the interpretaions.

JESUS was a radical in one sense that he fought injustices..wherever they were...govt or otherwise.


>lmao
>u can't stop what is destined to happen ock
>somebody already outlined these precussors mad yrs ago
>just fall back and stop hating on bush
>it's not christian like
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and i'm not one to say shit like this usually...but thats just dumb!
so i guess DR. Martin Luther King wasn't Christian-Like

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29. "uh if u think jesus and his followers didn't openly respect the law"
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i seriously think u need to re read a bit ocky

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33. "RE: uh if u think jesus and his followers didn't openly respect the law"
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...the LAW yes...but the scriptures are littered with stories about Jesus standing up against people and their mis-interpretations of the law...ock.

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36. "lmao, u must be new here"
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ur confusing this wit jesus conflicts wit the pharrises and rabbis on misinterperations of religious law
they were telling ppl to do stuff like don't touch a woman on her period and all kinda crazy stuff
he never told any one to disobey roman law, which was their govt. back then

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42. "ie., healing on the sabbath"
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25. "You didn't point out where that is in the Bible."
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You put your interpretation ontop of an urelated subject.

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28. "Ding ding ding!"
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30. "i gave the context of the qoutes and the ear incident is pretty well"
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known as happening in the garden when judas snitched
malachi or somebody can give u the specific verse
i'm at work and don't have a bible on me

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32. "..."
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www.biblegateway.com

And, I know some people have used that arguement before, not saying you're wrong, but I couldn't find it either.

BUt, then again, folx can pretty much make the Bible say what they want it to.

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43. "what is the link for?"
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u never heard of "give ceasar things to ceasar and Gods things to God"?
if u think i'm lying ok
but i ain't hopping on links to prove a scripture which imo is pretty well known

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50. "Yeah, i've heard of that..."
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...and, again, it has nothing to do w/ following bush. it has to do with Taxes. You said that yourself. All that means today is to pay your income taxes. It says nothing about following Caesar.


I think the BIble says you are to obey the laws of the land, but not necessarily follow the leader blindly. If it doesn't condone following Jesus/God blindly, how could it possibly justify following any other human?

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60. "again how are u following bush blindly by not involving urself ?"
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i'm not following anything right now
and i'm sure not gung ho about rebuilding our govt.

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62. "i will take the test but i wont study for it"
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>but i ain't hopping on links to prove a scripture which imo is
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46. "also, peter at gethsemane, could not have interceded because it"
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was Christ's mission and will to be crucified, or else his coming would have been in vain. that does not mean you let all atrocity and injustice slide, it just means that it was neither the time nor place for peter to wild out. likewise, if peter had been martyred on the spot, he would not have been the rock upon which christ ordained that his church be built, nahmean?


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49. "Jesus in Gethsemane..."
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Matthew Chapter 26 verses 36 through 53.

Mark Chapter 14 verses 32 through 49.

Luke Chapter 22 verse 39 through 53.

John Chapter 18 verses 1 through 11.

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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26. "I love Jesus"
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but I ain't no christian 4 sho

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31. "MUGFUCKER YOU PREACHIN'"
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POTY

  

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34. "so how do you reconcile all this admonition on your part"
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plus the admission that you know the end is coming

with the fact that you don't make an attempt to live by any of these standards?

theoretically, it's tantamount to suicide, right?

not trying to dis or anything, honest question. if its real to you i dont get why you would be anything less than immersed in the activity required of you.

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51. "i have the same problem u do"
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u of all ppl should know the struggle i go thru

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55. "^^PLEAS COPPED"
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lol

nigga

in theory, possibly, but iont be on here condemning

furthermore i read the bible eyday tryna make sense of things, to figure out what's really being asked of me.

*and* what's not.

besides,
you should know by now that hypocrisy is a terrible witness.

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69. "i'm not being hypocritical of anything"
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everybody knows what i do , shit and sometimes when i do it
u tried to bring this same argument against the other jawn in that other post
iono whats ur motive or what point u trying prove wit it tho
truth be told if i was really on my "deen" i wouldnt even be here, period
but because i am, and because i fuck and i drink and i curse does that make the facts invalid?
i don't think so
i just read the teachings , analyzed the logic and recanted it
u might walk in a room and catch a nigga fucking raw, have him turn and say "u can catch aids from this"
is that nigga foolish? sure, suicidal even maybe
but dude ain't lying to u
let that man deal wit his implementation issues
just know the truth thats beign told and do u wit it or dont do u

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73. "hypocrisy never nullifies the message, if it's true."
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and hypocrites make good suggestions for others all the time. but if you're trying to introduce an idea like to an uninitiated person, meanwhile doing the exact oppsoite, its just not a good look.

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79. "i'm not doing the exact opposite tho"
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u never see me in a fornication is wrong thread
i struggle wit shit i struggle wit on the low
and speak out on issues my voice might be heard on at other times
and really u ain't gon find a person thats trying 100% on this board
thats why i said if i WAS doing right i wouldnt even be here

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40. "i respect his office (the presidency itself)"
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but i dont have to respect the man.

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41. "thanks negrod-anus"
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45. "god's law supercedes man law, ultimately....as in.."
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yes, christians should GENERALLY obey
government, but when government begins
to go against god, we have to speak/act/move.

(see:amos, nathan, isaiah, and jeremiah
who were all charged with speaking out
against governments that were counter
to god's law.)


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64. "New World Translation Of The Holy Scriptures..."
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....Vol. SPM

"The more a country produces..the richer it is...the better it should take care of it's people. - Dr. Aleida Guevara"

  

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71. "yo we need to hang out at the RE"
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u be poppin up outta nowhere coming at my neck hard,lol

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66. "and that's why he got re-elected!"
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67. "your reference is a little off"
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the "render unto Caesar" passage has zero to do with totally following government

if anyting you could have pointed to:

"First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, for kings and all who are in high positions ..." (1 Timothy 2:1-2)

"Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, and are over you in the Lord and who admonish you. Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other" (1 Thess. 5:12-13).

Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. (2 Peter 2:13-19)

  

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70. "Thank you, that's what I was looking for."
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72. "i pointed out what the qoute was specifically about"
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then suggested why i thought that was appropriate for my argument

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74. "eh"
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you had to stretch a bit though. in fact this part:

"the general tone is that we as christians should be law abiding citizens and respect the authority of the government"

isn't what he was getting at at all. he was more saying that being concerned about earthly riches are a concern here, but the work you do for God should be for God (the sentence reads: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.")

  

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77. "word. that passage specifically is talking about money - taxes -"
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i've heard it brought up more in context of tithing discussions (ie, should i tithe gross or net, to which the answer is invariably, do you want a gross or net blessing, which, while funny, implies a quid pro quo between tithing and material blessings which does not exist).

i think that's a record run on even for me.

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83. "my rememberance was that the ppl were getting hype at"
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being overtaxed and generally just treated unfairly
i'll look into it more at home
omitting that qoute or not tho i still stand by my argument that God doesn't promote revolutionary attitudes in regards to secular governments

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90. "for clarification"
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>being overtaxed and generally just treated unfairly
>i'll look into it more at home

the pharisees where playign that whole "lets try to get his to say somethign that'll get him in trouble" game

as usual he made them look stupid

the account is given in:

matt 22:15-22
mark 12:13-17
luke 20:20-26

>omitting that qoute or not tho i still stand by my argument
>that God doesn't promote revolutionary attitudes in regards to
>secular governments

personally i disagree....to a point. "revolutionary attitudes" is a slippery slope. i doubt God would want you to bow to an anti-God regime.

the key is to not get so caught up in your "struggle" that you act in an unGodly manner. righteousness, faithfulness, grace, mercy and forgiveness are key.

look at how God "deals" with the rulers/government of his chosen people in the testaments, and how he WILL deal with shady governments in the last days.....noting of course that this is HIM doing the work and not necessarily us on our own agenda


  

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81. "this is a great post, btw. nm"
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82. "to further address your assertion:"
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the bible admonishes folks to have respect for the authority vested in human governments ::as far as it doesn't conflict with Gods principles or purposes, our the ministry that is to be carried out::

this particular administration is not just a politically un-sound one. it also has proven to be a quiet affront to so many human rights, so many things that God explicitly required of those that are allowed to act as governing bodies...

political neutrality is suggested, but you can definitely take a strong opinion against this administration and be well within your rights as a christian.

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84. "imo that is the only allowance to react"
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if the gov is directly inhibiting ur right to serve God
imo this govt. is not that far along in it's disruptiveness yet
i see it getting there real soon tho
maybe starting with restrictions on islam, they already wire tapping "hot wire" mosques
ain't long before certain christian spots feel the wrath

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85. "wow. good insight."
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*****
i dunno.

  

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87. "P.S. if you don't vote"
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because shit is just going to happen the way it is going to happen.. that's not a legitimate excuse. politicians don't give a fuck at all about people who don't vote.

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88. "In That Case"
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TO should've never bitched about his contract

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"Yet another reason why I will NEVER be a Christian."


  

          

Yeah what the fuck ever. That's like saying 'Pick that cotton nigga and the lord will love you'. I don't want that kind of God to love me, fuck that.

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89. "this Buildingblock/Basailga steez is working out well for you"
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congrats

oh well

  

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