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Tue Jun-07-05 02:49 PM

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"this cat said that niggas are diluting their race?"


          

his argument is that those of us who are relatively educated and financially secure are either childless or have like 1 kid.

meanwhile, in the hood, Lakreesha & DeAndre got a house full of youngins they 1/2 ass take care of.

any logic to this cat's theory? or was i right by tellin him to get the fuck outta my face with that bullshit?

  

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some truth. we could be extinct one day...lol
Jun 06th 2005
1
no just majorly disenfranchised and poorly educated
Jun 06th 2005
2
I've got a way to fix the race......STOP FUCKIN UP
Jun 06th 2005
3
KEEP FUCKING!!
Jun 06th 2005
8
but who isn't though?
Jun 06th 2005
4
abortions are cheap even in the short run
Jun 06th 2005
6
how is an abortion cheaper than a condom, the pill, and the a-word?
Jun 06th 2005
18
      cheaper than both - both being carrying to term/abortion
Jun 06th 2005
20
the pill issue...
Jun 07th 2005
      i've never heard of insurance
Jun 07th 2005
303
that's funny...
Jun 06th 2005
5
i thought u meant..
Jun 06th 2005
7
me too nm
Jun 06th 2005
9
yes, this isht is mad confusing.. n/m
Jun 06th 2005
14
education /socionomic position = inversely proportional to # of kids
Jun 06th 2005
10
I've said it a MILLION times, but there are only 2 Million Jews...
Jun 06th 2005
11
Can YT co-sign this?
Jun 06th 2005
12
no, you can't co-sign that shit, cracker.
Jun 07th 2005
31
i'm laughing so hard
Jun 07th 2005
36
me too... LMBAO n/m
Jun 07th 2005
52
You sound mad...you mad?
Jun 07th 2005
128
      You might wanna STFU and exit stage left, dude.
Jun 07th 2005
130
you're fucking disgusting.
Jun 07th 2005
110
that wasn't funny, Doug.
Jun 07th 2005
116
Them motherfuckers ain't jewish they eastern europeans that...
Jun 06th 2005
19
ugh, not you again. n/m
Jun 06th 2005
21
okay?
Jun 07th 2005
117
more gun shot
Jun 07th 2005
270
..........
Jun 06th 2005
23
wow.
Jun 07th 2005
29
wow...
Jun 07th 2005
54
fuck it, call me crazy...We are not going to solve our problems
Jun 07th 2005
102
LOL
Jun 07th 2005
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Adios Mio *Makes sign of the cross*
Jun 07th 2005
34
isn't it dios mio?
Jun 07th 2005
38
      I failed spanish!
Jun 07th 2005
40
      its........ay dios mio
Jun 07th 2005
55
u're setting ur own self backwards, backwards ass
Jun 07th 2005
41
and how is that?
Jun 07th 2005
49
      RE: and how is that?
Jun 07th 2005
70
           amen
Jun 07th 2005
76
           U and I have VERY different ideas about PERSONAL account
Jun 07th 2005
98
                cosign just about everything you said
Jun 07th 2005
107
                i think we must resist imposing our own personal formulas of..
Jun 07th 2005
115
                you could've let it at this....
Jun 07th 2005
119
                LMAO. it's speculative to say that none of us has it figured out?
Jun 07th 2005
122
                     no, but calling me "self-righteous" and such is...
Jun 07th 2005
126
                          actually, i said the perspective is condescending, self-righteous,
Jun 07th 2005
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                               Individual perspective is inherently "condescending" so be it...
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    all i'm saying is that maligning folks as "keeping us down"
Jun 07th 2005
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                                         unlike you, I don't have LOWERED expectations of black folks
Jun 07th 2005
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                                              lowered? LMAO! actually, i don't have any.
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                   and thats whats sad about you.
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                        *yawn* now i'm sad?
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                             call me what the hell you want...
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                                  i called you a name?
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                                       quit trying to sneak in the last word and inbox mofo...n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                                            i don't be gettin inboxes, ever
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                                            well i sent you one mofo (too bad for you no : }~~~ either) n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                                            nah it's not bad...my : }~~~ come over AIM
Jun 07th 2005
300
                i think this is bullshit
Jun 07th 2005
146
                     i'm sayin, don't expect others that haven't signed on to live up to it
Jun 07th 2005
149
                hmmm.
Jun 07th 2005
140
                stay on point
Jun 07th 2005
147
                right quick.
Jun 07th 2005
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                !!!!!
Jun 07th 2005
151
                I'm tryna figga out what's !!! worthy about this
Jun 07th 2005
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                     here's my issue: ppl wanna give a treatise on what's holding us back
Jun 07th 2005
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                          *pulls up chair*
Jun 07th 2005
                          m'sayin.
Jun 07th 2005
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                          QUESTION: Is this person on Social Services?
Jun 07th 2005
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                          that's negligible...unless we have hangups about folks
Jun 07th 2005
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                               naw, I'm just saying that would be the easy answer ...n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                          your question is retarded
Jun 07th 2005
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                how are YOU gonna make assumptions about people?
Jun 07th 2005
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                you tell me.
Jun 07th 2005
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                     No, you don't know what the hell you're talking about...
Jun 07th 2005
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                this is genius posting.... n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                thats fucked up
Jun 07th 2005
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                crab. in. the. barrel.
Jun 07th 2005
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                even quicker: i tutor her children
Jun 07th 2005
192
                I wished they'd stick to the POINT.
Jun 07th 2005
153
                     you really ARE crazy.
Jun 07th 2005
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                          eff you, Quixotic...(yeah I know its you)
Jun 07th 2005
157
                you've given every scenario/story/situation I've heard before...
Jun 07th 2005
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                RE: U and I have VERY different ideas about PERSONAL account
Jun 07th 2005
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                do better or don't bother n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                     i dont have time, im at work bettering myself & my race concurently
Jun 07th 2005
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                          then next time just be HONEST, say you don't have TIME...
Jun 07th 2005
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                               i had time this a.m., this afternoon i didn't
Jun 07th 2005
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                *ding, ding, ding* It's a first round knockout . . .
Jun 07th 2005
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i'm disappointed.
Jun 07th 2005
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Quioxtic, I don't expect for you and I to always agree...
Jun 07th 2005
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you shouldn't be...
Jun 07th 2005
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      i never saw anything that would make me think
Jun 07th 2005
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           read post #98...
Jun 07th 2005
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ridiculous...
Jun 07th 2005
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do better n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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poor jews don't have mad kids?
Jun 07th 2005
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ha! i don't doubt that they do.!
Jun 07th 2005
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      yes, cuz they're white. lol
Jun 07th 2005
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           yup...
Jun 07th 2005
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well, to the larger point...
Jun 07th 2005
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but what about germ-warfare, WMD, i.e. bombs?
Jun 07th 2005
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      life isn't a corporation tho
Jun 07th 2005
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           call it what you want, but it is the UNDER-LYING force...
Jun 07th 2005
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YES! WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE THE JEWS!!!!
Jun 07th 2005
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      you all late, mofo : D
Jun 07th 2005
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           when di smoke dun clear already
Jun 07th 2005
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                Did anybody say that we had to BE like the JEWS?
Jun 07th 2005
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                     ma. do you know how the jews were able to aquire their
Jun 07th 2005
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                          I'm gonna say this ONE more time and once only....
Jun 07th 2005
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                               RE: I'm gonna say this ONE more time and once only....
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    finally n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                                         i wasn't arguing any of that
Jun 07th 2005
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                                              wow. and look at that ....we actually agree on that POINT ....
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                   dude...its too late for any of that. i'll take ur word
Jun 07th 2005
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                                                        gitchur ass out of here!!!!
Jun 07th 2005
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you niggas are really scaring me right now.
Jun 06th 2005
13
u mad scooby? n/m
Jun 06th 2005
15
the trends are what they are
Jun 06th 2005
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      but he's obviously not trying to hear the TRUTH, tho....
Jun 06th 2005
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           well u seem to have equally strong preconcieved notions re "lakreesha
Jun 07th 2005
25
                no doubt that people can rise above their conditions...
Jun 07th 2005
87
Well since 1973 the legalization of abortions
Jun 06th 2005
17
We'll still be around, but we're pretty much on the road to Screwedom.
Jun 06th 2005
22
seems like y'all puttin value on lives based on education &
Jun 07th 2005
26
Its the Amerikkkan/white way
Jun 07th 2005
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u haven't lived until u've lived like a yt
Jun 07th 2005
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What is WRONG with establishing a LEGACY?
Jun 07th 2005
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ive heard of this before
Jun 07th 2005
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i'm glad condoleeza rice ain't got no mufuggin kids
Jun 07th 2005
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y?
Jun 07th 2005
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      she doesn't deserve beautiful black babies
Jun 07th 2005
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           that is a stupid thing to say
Jun 07th 2005
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                no, i'm not being sarcastic. fuck that bitch.
Jun 07th 2005
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                sorry, i rather her have kids
Jun 07th 2005
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                oh yea, cuz what condi does is SUCH a benefit to society
Jun 07th 2005
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                     and you are an idiot
Jun 07th 2005
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                          whoops, my bad
Jun 07th 2005
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                               i know, thats why i put the winking smiley at the end
Jun 07th 2005
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                Thats quite a leap to make tho
Jun 07th 2005
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                     oh, this is a complete side argument, player
Jun 07th 2005
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                          she's satans concubine
Jun 07th 2005
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                really.
Jun 07th 2005
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                wow...this is a bit sensitive.
Jun 07th 2005
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                i agree
Jun 07th 2005
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it's not a black thing though
Jun 07th 2005
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      Well, its career vs family
Jun 07th 2005
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      as silly as im being this is real right here
Jun 07th 2005
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           But they are genetically inferior!
Jun 07th 2005
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           lol
Jun 07th 2005
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           welll i will help them
Jun 07th 2005
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           conditions change and ppl change, being born into a less then desireable...
Jun 07th 2005
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           oh i totally agree
Jun 07th 2005
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           but why do we have to TAKE the route of struggling?
Jun 07th 2005
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      i dont care, im talking about black folks right now
Jun 07th 2005
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It's about economic power of which we have yet to realize
Jun 07th 2005
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yes, you were right to say GTFOOHWTBS
Jun 07th 2005
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The fact that Clarence Thomas has no kids with his honkey wife...
Jun 07th 2005
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Nope. The black middle class and bourgeois have diluted the race
Jun 07th 2005
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!!!
Jun 07th 2005
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Hey, its true. Whitey cares more about the poor negros
Jun 07th 2005
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      yo. i'm not disagreeing.
Jun 07th 2005
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preach
Jun 07th 2005
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right!
Jun 07th 2005
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Think about what you wrote
Jun 07th 2005
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RE: Think about what you wrote
Jun 07th 2005
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Again, let us think about what you wrote
Jun 07th 2005
185
exactly, cause CLASS ENVY ain't getting mofos anywhere...n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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theres your answer right fucking there.
Jun 07th 2005
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i was gone say somn along this level..
Jun 07th 2005
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      Ha ha, I beat you. Up your words per minute Ma!
Jun 07th 2005
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their conditioning has been conditioned... n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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my aunt said this to me once
Jun 07th 2005
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this topic makes my ovaries hurt :^(
Jun 07th 2005
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If you make less then 30k and live in the hood, slice them out now!
Jun 07th 2005
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      lol
Jun 07th 2005
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Stop future criminals by aborting black babies!
Jun 07th 2005
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stop black procreation kill all black women
Jun 07th 2005
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We aint goin nowhere.
Jun 07th 2005
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exactly, the fear of becoming extinct is irrational and FOOLISH.
Jun 07th 2005
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I am chocolate.... eff the black folks... all my candy race people..
Jun 07th 2005
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a proper bitch slap was called into effect ....
Jun 07th 2005
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This is absurd and silly
Jun 07th 2005
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Black Folks are gonna be extinct!
Jun 07th 2005
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      they cain't hide that hair though! it's all in the hair...
Jun 07th 2005
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its not a racial issue... its economic..
Jun 07th 2005
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as far as I'm concerned its *always* economics...
Jun 07th 2005
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naaaah 'Knowledge of Self' is
Jun 07th 2005
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      i know that you...
Jun 07th 2005
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it's racial, when it's "niggas in the hood, named Lakreesha & DeAndre"
Jun 07th 2005
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      She's talking about the generic issue. Not the nonsense popped
Jun 07th 2005
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           I just hate that "what about us" shyt, I mean if we are talkin...
Jun 07th 2005
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                Angelo said something about Knowledge Of Self
Jun 07th 2005
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Excellent example:
Jun 07th 2005
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There is a difference between that
Jun 07th 2005
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Dilute = Less potent.
Jun 07th 2005
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      But, its not as if they magically stopped having kids out of wedlock
Jun 07th 2005
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      This generation may be the first to do WORSE than
Jun 07th 2005
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As an 80's babe I resent that!! lol n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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As if some black professionals working 60 hour weeks
Jun 07th 2005
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THERE IT IS, BAM, IN UR FACE GOTDAMN, THIS IS A DOPE
Jun 07th 2005
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chances are they have a nanny though. so somebody is
Jun 07th 2005
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Yeah true...I guess it depends
Jun 07th 2005
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      130 is enough to afford a nanny. n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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this isn't about good parenting vs. bad parenting
Jun 07th 2005
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Exactumundo!! There are plenty of stupid ,lazy....
Jun 07th 2005
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      truth
Jun 07th 2005
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they can pay someone to take care of their kids...
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I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I know this
Jun 07th 2005
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they aren't trying to hear this though.....
Jun 07th 2005
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inbox
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CO-SIGN.
Jun 07th 2005
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CO-SIGNing this co-sign
Jun 07th 2005
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      Then why aren't y'all have had kids yet.
Jun 07th 2005
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           i'm poor, not crazy
Jun 07th 2005
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           Some of us don't choose to have children...
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                i think he was being facetious
Jun 07th 2005
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                     I was kind of half was. Socioglicalisitalqowehuwe gave me the idea
Jun 07th 2005
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                          RE: I was kind of half was. Socioglicalisitalqowehuwe gave me the idea
Jun 07th 2005
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pretty much
Jun 07th 2005
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there are a lot of mad motherfuckers here.
Jun 07th 2005
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100% correct, there are some stupid folks out there... n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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you all are trippin
Jun 07th 2005
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...
Jun 07th 2005
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      let's think about this for a second
Jun 07th 2005
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           Nobody is arguing against this
Jun 07th 2005
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           i'm talkin about her first 'jews' response
Jun 07th 2005
                there's nothing you can do. this is not some new phenom
Jun 07th 2005
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                The jews success has little to do with their birthrate
Jun 07th 2005
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                     the more education the less children on avg.
Jun 07th 2005
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                          But my point its
Jun 07th 2005
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                               the high birthrate is a by-product
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    *Holds chess piece in hand and ponders*
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           Dr. Claw can agree with that...
Jun 07th 2005
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           cuz Doc,.....its much easier to call Zora a BITCH rather than...
Jun 07th 2005
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           if u wont say it then i will: fuck poor blacks
Jun 07th 2005
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                because Quints think this way by default.
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                stupidity
Jun 07th 2005
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                stupidity is not realizing everyone doesn't share ur ideals
Jun 07th 2005
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                lmao---i knew your crazy ass wasn't too far away...n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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real talk: one thing that is diluting the race
Jun 07th 2005
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Please stay with those white boys n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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thats an issue of class though
Jun 07th 2005
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it's an issue of race b/c poverty disproportionately affects blacks
Jun 07th 2005
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      it's an issue of race b/c poverty disproportionately affects blacks
Jun 07th 2005
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           what?
Jun 07th 2005
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                LOL!!
Jun 07th 2005
                ^^^^ THE STONE COLD ALIAS EXPOSED!
Jun 07th 2005
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                     um hell no
Jun 07th 2005
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ok now you talking crazy
Jun 07th 2005
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      kween stop trippin
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           correction
Jun 07th 2005
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                There are more successful black women than black men - period
Jun 07th 2005
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Quality not Quantity.
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but people shouldn't have more people than they can afford
Jun 07th 2005
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raool, let them have their "dreams"...
Jun 07th 2005
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Big families natural only in the post industrialization period
Jun 07th 2005
Big families natural only in the post industrialization period
Jun 07th 2005
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sounds like your grandparents and parents . . .
Jun 07th 2005
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I luv to hear advantaged kids explain how disadvantaged kids
Jun 07th 2005
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what makes you think some people didn't come from a disadvantage?
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it's just conjecture, but I would luv to hear some personal accounts....
Jun 07th 2005
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      I'll gladly share my story....
Jun 07th 2005
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      that's commendable, but did u consider yourself impoverished?
Jun 07th 2005
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           yeah, at times in certain households...
Jun 07th 2005
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      While this has been highlighted numerous times already,
Jun 07th 2005
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           thats pretty much all people have been saying...
Jun 07th 2005
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           I could be wrong, but I thought that was inferred in the 1st post...
Jun 07th 2005
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I know , right?
Jun 07th 2005
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      who are u talkin' about?
Jun 07th 2005
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           within the context of this conversation, it seemed
Jun 07th 2005
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                that's exactly who I'm talkin' about
Jun 07th 2005
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RE: this cat said that niggas are diluting their race?
Jun 07th 2005
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this happend to black women too, hence the STIGMA
Jun 07th 2005
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Poor & Low Income People CAN Hurt their own cause
Jun 07th 2005
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*APPLAUSE*
Jun 07th 2005
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that's pretty much the deal zora,
Jun 07th 2005
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RE: Poor & Low Income People CAN Hurt their own cause
Jun 07th 2005
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      Dude - that was barely cogent
Jun 07th 2005
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           RE: Dude - that was barely cogent
Jun 07th 2005
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                my dear, thinking of children as a 'burden' isn't the point
Jun 07th 2005
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                     RE: my dear, thinking of children as a 'burden' isn't the point
Jun 07th 2005
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                          WHAT??
Jun 07th 2005
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                          RE: WHAT??
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                               plutonic thought?
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    Sure and I spelled it wrong it is PLATONIC THOUGHT
Jun 07th 2005
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                                         it was an obvious spelling error on her part...
Jun 07th 2005
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                                              Your a hater and what I typed was all by memory
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                                                   even more sad . n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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                          you mis-read
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                               Actually it's not plain and simple
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    um actually it is really simple
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    Nope
Jun 07th 2005
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                                         I got lost in what "Taharka" was saying b/c it wasn't COHERENT
Jun 07th 2005
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                                    bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaa
Jun 07th 2005
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His theory expose one of the most crucial problems
Jun 07th 2005
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True but that is a result of ASSIMILATION!!!!!!!
Jun 07th 2005
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      That's putting it waaaay too mildly.
Jun 07th 2005
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cliff notes, please.
Jun 07th 2005
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People are dumb.
Jun 07th 2005
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basically
Jun 07th 2005
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      I must be left of the middle, then ; )
Jun 07th 2005
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      I'm with you Soci.
Jun 07th 2005
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      RE: basically
Jun 07th 2005
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i'm printing this whole thread out and reading it on the train...wow n/m
Jun 07th 2005
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Do we have a concensus here yet?
Jun 07th 2005
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THIS POST IS DUMB AS FUCK.
Jun 07th 2005
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i missed this post.
Jun 07th 2005
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my mother's name is lakreesha, you clenchmouth motherfuckers.
Jun 07th 2005
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Niggas love to not know . . .
Jun 07th 2005
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I have finally opened this post
Jun 07th 2005
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decaturpsalm
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1. "some truth. we could be extinct one day...lol"
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touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

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Darryl_Licke
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2. "no just majorly disenfranchised and poorly educated"
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but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
Binlahab is a bitch.
I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP

  

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Lardlad95
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3. "I've got a way to fix the race......STOP FUCKIN UP"
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The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

  

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BISON CLASS of 97
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8. "KEEP FUCKING!!"
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"I'm one of the world's great survivors. I'll always survive because I've got the right combination of wit, grit and bullshit."

© Don King

  

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Darryl_Licke
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4. "but who isn't though?"
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just cause you're poor with few goals and expectations doesn't mean you stop fucking. Abortions cost money....probably more than going through with the pregnancy considering the need to collect all the money at once now for the abortion than paying 9 months from now for child birth. I don't know those logistics though...but yeah being poor don't mean you stop fuckin.

but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
Binlahab is a bitch.
I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP

  

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k_orr
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6. "abortions are cheap even in the short run"
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There's lots of reasons that people don't get them.

But cheaper than both
1) the pill
2) the condom
3) I would mention the A word, but I'd be laughing to hard to finish typing it.

Unfortunately proper education and the willingness to use the knowledge is infinitely expensive. Figure out how to do that for cheap, and you've got an army on your hands.

  

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18. "how is an abortion cheaper than a condom, the pill, and the a-word?"
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but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
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20. "cheaper than both - both being carrying to term/abortion"
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But Carrying to Term will cost 300-350 dollars in the short run (avg price for an abortion in TX).

When it really comes down to terminating a pregnancy, the financial aspect of it weighs far less than other concerns.

  

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"the pill issue..."


          

I was just talking to my mother about this. If you have insurance, more so than not, they don't pay for birth control....but they will pay for abortion and childbirth....this makes no sence to me.

wah?!?!?!

  

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303. "i've never heard of insurance"
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that doesn't pay for birth control but does pay for abortion.

Ĵεŋ
she's a very nice bitch

  

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5. "that's funny..."
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i'm finishing up school in a few years and I'm not planning on being a father for a VERY long time, if ever...


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7. "i thought u meant.."
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by having children w/ ppl outside our race @ reading the title of post

If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow."
-Miles Davis

  

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9. "me too nm"
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14. "yes, this isht is mad confusing.. n/m"
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10. "education /socionomic position = inversely proportional to # of kids"
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edit- thats true across all ethnicities

in the US atleast



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11. "I've said it a MILLION times, but there are only 2 Million Jews..."
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and they've got the power and influence of 100 million.

Population #'s alone, are NO longer a threat, since it doesn't
take much to take out a population (germ-warfare, bombs, etc.)

An uneducated and diseased population is no threat to
anyone but themselves.

QUALITY not QUANTITY of black folks is ALL that matters.


So basically, fuck Lakreesha and DeAndre cause they're really
setting us BACKWARDS.


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12. "Can YT co-sign this?"
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..if so, 1 up.

  

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31. "no, you can't co-sign that shit, cracker."
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she's a stupid bitch for agreeing with that shit.

<--All-American couple


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36. "i'm laughing so hard"
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52. "me too... LMBAO n/m"
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My Mantra when dealing with White folks:

When you are playing with a dog, do not ever forget to keep a stick within reach

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128. "You sound mad...you mad?"
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130. "You might wanna STFU and exit stage left, dude."
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You're out of line here.

  

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110. "you're fucking disgusting."
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~G.D.

  

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116. "that wasn't funny, Doug."
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fuck you.

  

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19. "Them motherfuckers ain't jewish they eastern europeans that..."
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converted to judaism simply saying WHITE. True Hebrews don't control shit.

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21. "ugh, not you again. n/m"
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117. "okay?"
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fuck you.

  

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270. "more gun shot"
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http://bkbrickhouse.blogspot.com
last updated 051505

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one of dem fassys flashes the 'gaybatsignal'
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Bomberclart, what ah ting.

  

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23. ".........."
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<So basically, fuck Lakreesha and DeAndre cause they're really
setting us BACKWARDS.>

*sigh* wow......just.......wow....i mean....fuck it. just.....wow


*poof*

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29. "wow."
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you really are fucking crazy.

-k-
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una y otra vez

  

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54. "wow..."
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you & I agree on something...


My Mantra when dealing with White folks:

When you are playing with a dog, do not ever forget to keep a stick within reach

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102. "fuck it, call me crazy...We are not going to solve our problems"
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by OUT-populating anyone. Numbers don't mean shit in modern society.

Thats the bottomline.

Especially, if we're half-ass taking care of the kids that are here.

I stand by what I said.





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271. "LOL"
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i think that sometimes when i read her posts. she's still the homie tho lol

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"sis...there is a cabal of dem bitches on this board,
one of dem fassys flashes the 'gaybatsignal'
and you can hear the chi-chi dem ostrich stampeding towards your post...

Bomberclart, what ah ting.

  

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34. "Adios Mio *Makes sign of the cross*"
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38. "isn't it dios mio?"
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juss jokin

  

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40. "I failed spanish!"
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55. "its........ay dios mio"
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finish your common and take TWO bites of your Stevie, and then you can have some dipset- dUD

  

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41. "u're setting ur own self backwards, backwards ass"
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49. "and how is that?"
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having children you CAN'T even provide the basics
(healthcare, quality education) without relying heavily
on the mercy of government intervention?

Thats forward movement for black people?

If YOU know better, then please, by all means school me.

I stand firmly when I said, as a race, NUMBERS don't mean shit--
especially when you have nothing to offer a child but YOUR sorry ass disposition in life.







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70. "RE: and how is that?"
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by # thinking u can exclude ANY PORTION of your race from an equation that includes you. until we are all "living well" none of us are living well. do discount lakreesha & dejuan based on the fact that they are born into situations that are set up to keep them the fuck down & then have the fucking audacity to look down upon them as if you are so much better just because u happened to get ur shit together makes me fucking sick.


>having children you CAN'T even provide the basics
>(healthcare, quality education) without relying heavily
>on the mercy of government intervention?

um, in canada, not one fucking individual walks around w/o healthcare. u need to be mad at the government which should be guaranteeing basic needs to citizens instead of helping private organizations to make even more money off of the misfortunate...but thats a whole nother animal. & the education shit is bullshit. unless u teach at an innercity or poor rural school, u don't know 1/2 of 1/2 of what the fuck you are talking about.


t
>
>Thats forward movement for black people?

forward movement for black people would be giving the reparations that they were guaranteed w/the emancipation proclamation to their communities, schools, hospitals, housing inorder to put them on the same playing field as their yt counterparts.


>
>If YOU know better, then please, by all means school me.
>
>I stand firmly when I said, as a race, NUMBERS don't mean
>shit--
>especially when you have nothing to offer a child but YOUR
>sorry ass disposition in life.
>

*rolls eyes hard at this bullshit ass bourgeois shit*

yall motherfuckers REALLY aint bourgeois. one thing that wealthy yt folks do is give money back to this society. angelina jolie gave $8 million dollars to different charities to help poor underpriveleged kids last year, how much money did u give to the kids in ur community that u got ur nose up to? & theres no monetary exchange rate for lip service. have u tutored any of those single parent kids? huh?


>
>
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76. "amen"
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<--All-American couple


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98. "U and I have VERY different ideas about PERSONAL account"
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U and I have VERY different ideas about PERSONAL accountability.

And before I begin, let's not make any assumptions about each other.
I would gladly appreciate it if you would have a conversation
with me as an individual without all of the unnecessary name calling.

alright?


>by # thinking u can exclude ANY PORTION of your race from an
>equation that includes you. <<<

As the saying goes, the "poor will always be among us"...
There will always be people in every society that reject
or subvert the mainstream conventions (status quo), or underclassed...etc. to what degree black people continue to *disproportionately* fall into that category is my concern. No, I don't believe that we could (or should) all lead the same lives.

>> until we are all "living well" none of us are living well. <<<

Tell that to the folks who are "living well" without a care.
What you say sounds nice, but in reality, people move on and
live their happy lives everyday. I don't doubt that our lives are inter-connected...but I digress because I believe that is a whole
other topic altogether.

>>> do discount lakreesha & dejuan
>based on the fact that they are born into situations that are
>set up to keep them the fuck down <<<<

Stop. I don't discount that people are born into this world
with disadvantages primarily due to (in this case) history of systemic racism/slavery/exploitation/exclusion.

However, here is where you and I may see things differently.
I don't believe that Lakreesha and the newly renamed "DeJuan"
are PASSIVE players in their predicaments. You said it yourself
"set-up" to keep them down. Does this mean that just because
the mousetrap is present that the mouse has to enter?

We have more power than we ADMIT regarding the cultural and behavioral. Drugs are there, sure, but you don't HAVE to take them.
Schools are bad sure, but learning doesn't HAVE to start and end there. Jobs pay meager earnings, sure, but you don't HAVE to buy
those new Nike's or that floor model TV.


>>>& then have the fucking
>audacity to look down upon them as if you are so much better
>just because u happened to get ur shit together makes me
>fucking sick.<<<

I'm gonna disregard this. Because you're making assumptions-and
you're arguing the PERSON not the ISSUE. If you pay attention
to the latter, you may surprisingly see that we have very similiar goals but quite different perspectives on HOW they can be attained.

>
>>>>um, in canada, not one fucking individual walks around w/o
>healthcare. u need to be mad at the government which should
>be guaranteeing basic needs to citizens instead of helping
>private organizations to make even more money off of the
>misfortunate...but thats a whole nother animal. <<<


This is NOT Canada, so your point is moot. And whether you like it or not, Healthcare is NOT a right. I, personally, support and actively ADVOCATE universal healthcare..as you said...another topic altogether.

>>>& the
>education shit is bullshit. unless u teach at an innercity or
>poor rural school, u don't know 1/2 of 1/2 of what the fuck
>you are talking about.<<<<

see above.


>>>>forward movement for black people would be giving the
>reparations <<<<

I do NOT agree with you. Before I knew better, I used
to think that reparations were the answer. Not gonna happen. Especially in this country. And we'd be fools to rely on THAT as our SOLUTION.


>>>that they were guaranteed w/the emancipation
>proclamation to their communities, schools, hospitals, housing
>inorder to put them on the same playing field as their yt
>counterparts.<<<<


Again. Not gonna happen. If you believe in the EXTERNAL approach, that our problems will be "solved" externally...then good luck with that. But I personally can't understand how anyone can advocate being so PASSIVE about the improvements of their communities.

Just so there's no further misconception of what I'm proposing,
I tell you exactly what I adovcate.

1) A re-evaluation of VALUES as a culture. Something very practical that could be put in place TODAY. Unfortunately, we hold the same materialistic values as our mainstream white counterparts. Not only does this mentality enslave us by keeping us in debt, from accumulating wealth, it de-humanizes --we lose a sense of self

2) Lakreesha and DeAndre and DeJuan (assuming that they are adults)
can practice BIRTH PLANNING and have fewer children out of wedlock.
The numbers don't lie. WANTED children who live in TWO parent households feel more loved, stable, and do better in school.
Three out of Four black children are born to single mothers and it is BEYOND epidemic status. I don't doubt that alternative families (i.e. grandma pitching in) can nuture a healthy child--but people deserve to have the influence of both so that they can grow up to become well-adjusted adults with a sense of IDENTITY.


Feel free to disagree. I stand by it.


3) More sense of PERSONAL accountability. Less dependency on
EXTERNAL forces to repair our INTERNAL problems. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Our folks tend to focus TOO heavily and SOLELY upon the "Structural" where we have the LEAST influnece/Power.

White people do the opposite by focusing solely, and too heavily on the behavioral and cultural issues of black people...whenthe only thing THEY can control *is* the STRUCTURAL.

If people placed as HALF as much energy where they have the MOST influence/Power, then real change could occur.

Of course I'm not banking on White folx to do shit, so therefore I advocate that my people assume more personal responsibility
over their CHOICES.

The bottomline is that the WORLD doesn't owe you shit.















>
>*rolls eyes hard at this bullshit ass bourgeois shit*<<<

I'm gonna disreagrd all the rest of your reply that follows.
I've ALWAYS been an active member in my community--and I need
not present to you with my CV of communinty service and charity
giving to prove anything.

>
>yall motherfuckers REALLY aint bourgeois. one thing that
>wealthy yt folks do is give money back to this society.
>angelina jolie gave $8 million dollars to different charities
>to help poor underpriveleged kids last year, how much money
>did u give to the kids in ur community that u got ur nose up
>to? & theres no monetary exchange rate for lip service. have
>u tutored any of those single parent kids? huh?
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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115. "i think we must resist imposing our own personal formulas of.."
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"Black progress" (or whatever we want to call it) on others.

imo, it's fundamentally condescending, self-righteous, and mean-spirited to suggest that "niggas" (as a specific call of Black folks) are "keeping us back."

is it wise for folks that lack resources (or access to resources) to embark on a mission to have fifty'leven children? not so much.

we should afford folks the ability to make "bad" decisions, i think. cuz really not one of us has it figured out, otherwise we wouldn't be having this convo.

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119. "you could've let it at this...."
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>>is it wise for folks that lack resources (or access to resources) to embark on a mission to have fifty'leven children? not so much.<<<

It addresses the point, objectively.

Everything else is speculation.



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122. "LMAO. it's speculative to say that none of us has it figured out?"
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okay, zora. righteous much?

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126. "no, but calling me "self-righteous" and such is..."
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simply because you don't agree with me
doesn't mean my point is less valid.

I'd love for people to go beyond the romanticizing
of poverty and disempowerment and explain
why it should not be a concern that one should not be able to
address explicitly.



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129. "actually, i said the perspective is condescending, self-righteous,"
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and mean-spirited not you individually. clearly, i don't know you.

you're over "romanticism," which is fine. but we all need to be very conscious in not imposing our personalized ideas and notions about shit on others as if they are necessarily relevant to them.

shit, i dunno. i think it's more detrimental to us that colin powell is used to invade grenada as opposed to some hood chick deciding to have her fourth child. gen. powell's actions are "keeping us down."

*shrug*

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136. "Individual perspective is inherently "condescending" so be it..."
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doesn't bother me. I know that I'm commenting
from my OWN point of view and I OWN up to that.

No doubt that its all in the "packaging" and "presentation"
to the masses. I tend to be more blunt at times, so what, sue me.

>>need to be very conscious in not imposing our personalized ideas and notions about shit on others as if they are necessarily relevant to them.<<<

And as for my "personalized ideas", they are NOT, I repeat NOT solely my own. You give me too much credit for this. I present to you VERY practical ideas that are tried and true...Some shit is just PLAIN common sense for real.

I'll go as far and make the leap and call them UNIVERSAL...meaning on some level..EVERY culture/ independent nation has some practice of "progression" in place.

It may vary, but traditionally on an economic level, people prefer to be:

1) autonomous, self-determined;

2) Build upon foundations; and

3) passing on that Legacy (i.e. education, wealth, ideals) to their offspring.

>>shit, i dunno. i think it's more detrimental to us that colin
>powell is used to invade grenada as opposed to some hood chick
>deciding to have her fourth child. gen. powell's actions are
>"keeping us down."<<<


Please. that is nothing but a symptom of the issue being (or not being) addressed.


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141. "all i'm saying is that maligning folks as "keeping us down""
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prolly won't change their behavior.

some will, some won't. and for others going through that experience is prolly what some folks need. *shrug*

but like i said, is having mad many kids wise imo? not really. but me saying that isn't gonna stop anything, i know that.

i'm just not gonna get into the business of firing Black folks who really didn't do anything bad for Black folks.

*shrug* i just don't expect us to be superpeople.

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164. "unlike you, I don't have LOWERED expectations of black folks"
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see post #105 for details.


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196. "lowered? LMAO! actually, i don't have any."
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because, really. how the wth am i to expect anything?

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200. "and thats whats sad about you."
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>>lowered? LMAO! actually, i don't have any."
because, really. how the wth am i to expect anything?<<<

You are the descendent of slaves. You have more
opportunity than they could even CONCEIVE.

Strive and MOTIVATE others to discontinue that legacy of bondage/disempowerment....

Build something, give something, leave something for black children.

Live deliberately, so that you're not just fucking complaining
about all thats wrong in the world during your insignificant blink of a life in this galaxy.

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212. "*yawn* now i'm sad?"
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spare me the motivational speech, mama.

in the work i've done, i've learned preachiness doesn't go over well. especially not with the folks that are the center of this convo. it may work with some striver kids to help them establish some sort of pride. MAYBE.

first you say, "the world doesn't owe you shit" then you call me sad for saying i don't walk around with expectations. adding up? i don't think so.

my point is real easy, the Black folks i know aren't gonna take kindly to some bourgie mofo telling them they are holding us back because they have kids. especially without ANY investigation into that person's individual circumstances.

that blanket doesn't cover everyone, miss zora.

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213. "call me what the hell you want..."
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i've got MY shit together.

i'm happy with the life I'm leading and i know who the hell i am.

glad you're doing "you".

*the end*


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215. "i called you a name?"
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*stratches head*

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220. "quit trying to sneak in the last word and inbox mofo...n/m"
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228. "i don't be gettin inboxes, ever"
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lol

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231. "well i sent you one mofo (too bad for you no : }~~~ either) n/m"
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300. "nah it's not bad...my : }~~~ come over AIM"
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holler!

lol.

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146. "i think this is bullshit"
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You're basically saying that no one should say what they think black progress looks like and try others to conform to that vision.. I disagree. If that's the case, then we really ARE fucked. What we need is a collective vision - and we need leaders to help articulate where we need to go and how we should get there. Otherwise, why the need for Du Bois, Malcom, Garvey or Martin?


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149. "i'm sayin, don't expect others that haven't signed on to live up to it"
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and then judge them for it, as if you're King/Queen Black. esp when the level of detriment to the group they caused is questionable at best.

if you kick that raise "quality" kids ish to some folks i know, you're liable to get your feelings hurt. it's a bad strategy to interrogate folks for making what may have been a bad decision.

look @ malcolm. his life was less than stellar before he became the malcolm we all know and we should all be allowed that space.

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140. "hmmm."
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>We have more power than we ADMIT regarding the cultural and
>behavioral.

if you're among the millions of working poor in this country, and you're making the laughable federal minimum wage, you're probably working 40 hours a week (if you're lucky). you have no benefits. you can't get sick because you can't afford to miss work. if you have kids, and you're making $200 a week (before taxes), you can't afford to pay for daycare, so (again if you're lucky)you leave them with a relative. you're working a brutal job where you are *spent* when your shift is over.

when, with little time and little resources, do you manage to supplement the educations of your children who, you’re sending to ill-equipped, understaffed and under-funded schools all day? you don’t, unless you have help. the driving motivation in your daily existence is not college. it's not home ownership or any of the other markers of the middle-class. it's keeping the lights on and the roof above your head.

poor people ain't poor because they're not trying. poor people are poor because poverty erodes the social networks that bougified negroes take for granted. poverty means being 20 and never have been on a plane to *anywhere*. it means navigating the block and/or the system is all you know. it means not having someone to give you pointers on where to look for good jobs, or having someone point out to you what you should say and wear to a job interview.

there's no evidence that drug use is higher among poor people than it is among any other group. it's just that they're more heavily policed and prosecuted. that's STRUCTURAL. most poor people ain't selling/smoking crack. why are 70% of the people in American prisons in jail for nonviolent drug offenses? that's structural.

you should read "Life on the Outside : The Prison Odyssey of Elaine Bartlett" by Jen Gonnerman. true story....the author follows a family in which the mother was thrown in jail for 15 years accompanying her boyfriend on a drug deal. this has profound implications on her children, who all grow up with little stability and a host of emotional issues. they're all in and out of jail, too.

if you're a poor kid, and your moms is in jail, and your uncle is in jail, and you visit them once a month and you spend a decent amount of time in your pre-adolescent life in prison visiting your people, the shit becomes normalized. it's something you expect (or at least, don't think it's ever out of the realm of possibility for you). it's part of life. doing a bid isn't a major setback for you, because it's part of the personal narratives of your family and friends.




Jobs pay meager earnings, sure, but you don't HAVE
>to buy
>those new Nike's or that floor model TV.

people can only do what they know, love. just because one is poor does not mean that they don't digest and internalize the same consumerist bullshit the rest of the populace does.

if the self-worth of most Americans is inextricably tied to what they have bought and what they can buy, why would poor people be excluded in wanting to make impulsive purchase and buy frivolous shit?

I’ve heard it said before that poor people and rich people have the same spending habits; neither group has to worry about saving…so they buy impulsively.

>3) More sense of PERSONAL accountability. Less dependency on
>EXTERNAL forces to repair our INTERNAL problems. I've said it
>before and I'll say it again. Our folks tend to focus TOO
>heavily and SOLELY upon the "Structural" where we have the
>LEAST influnece/Power.

but if the internal problems were set in motion, exacerbated and perpetuated by those structural forces, how can someone who *does* strap up before they fuck and who *does* eek out an hour a day to read with their kids escape the cycle of poverty?

seriously. how?


  

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147. "stay on point"
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Y'all are mixin all kindsa shit in here. I don't think the point is about assigning blame for poverty -- the point is, you are doing a DISSERVICE to not only "the race" but more importantly, your own CHILDREN if you are having six, seven or eight kids when your income could only viably support one or two.

That's the major point of this - plain and simple.

No one in their right mind could disagree.


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148. "right quick."
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>Y'all are mixin all kindsa shit in here. I don't think the
>point is about assigning blame for poverty -- the point is,
>you are doing a DISSERVICE to not only "the race"

explain to me how your life as a Harvard-educated woman is affected by the struggles of some black woman in Roxbury?

i mean, outside of your bougie embarassment.

  

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151. "!!!!!"
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193. "I'm tryna figga out what's !!! worthy about this"
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How am I affected ? I make it my business to be affected and proactive. But to think about it a little more critically.. we're all inextricably linked to each other - rather it's through relations of domination or relations of cooperation - we make the choice about how it is we're going to play the game. There's a lot of shit that holds "us" back collectively as a people, and most of it does not have to do with the behavior of impoverished people of color.

I can't blame cats for making assumptions about a "harvard educated woman" but I'm not even gonna make this personal and go into some long explanation of where I come from and how my family has struggled and continues to do so. Suffice it to say that it's best to stay on point cuz some of y'all have no idea what in thee fuck you are talking about.

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201. "here's my issue: ppl wanna give a treatise on what's holding us back"
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and are rarely introspective.

i think it very convenient when folks get on the soapbox and they describe everything but themselves. as if they have it all right.

seriously, how does someone in roxbury having a child affect you? lay it out. beyond the "making us look bad" analysis.

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~G.D.

  

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218. "m'sayin."
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224. "QUESTION: Is this person on Social Services?"
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>>seriously, how does someone in roxbury having a child affect you? lay it out. beyond the "making us look bad" analysis. <<<

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234. "that's negligible...unless we have hangups about folks"
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253. "naw, I'm just saying that would be the easy answer ...n/m"
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235. "your question is retarded"
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I don't agree with fire on much of aything, but she's the one who argued (post 70) that "until we're all living well, none of us are living well". Do you disagree with that?

Your question is retarded to me because I am talking about this issue on an aggregate level -- I'm not talking about how the actions of a particular family negatively affect me. This isn't about "making us look bad" - this is about cold, hard statistics. If a large number of poor black families continue to have children they can't afford, then it will help to reproduce a disproportionate amout of poverty in the black community - this, along with about a million other factors, works to keep us from moving forward as a *group*. But I'd love to hear you explain to me what it is you disagree with about what I'm saying, since you're so much more introspective than I am.


>and are rarely introspective.
>
>i think it very convenient when folks get on the soapbox and
>they describe everything but themselves. as if they have it
>all right.
>
>seriously, how does someone in roxbury having a child affect
>you? lay it out. beyond the "making us look bad" analysis.

  

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155. "how are YOU gonna make assumptions about people?"
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how do you KNOW where she started? That she's NOT
the descendent of that woman in Roxbury?

It doesn't matter anyhow...because the majority of us black people
are only a few, if any, generations removed from poverty anyhow.

A mofo gotta be ashamed that they took advantages of the
opportunities that immigrants come here and grab every fucking day?




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168. "you tell me."
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this whole thread...the whole idea of 'keeping us down' is about you and she being embarrassed more than anything else.

how exactly are they keeping someone down who made it into the most elite of elite universities? i'm really trynna figger out how those shiftless jigaboos aversely affect her life.

  

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181. "No, you don't know what the hell you're talking about..."
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I advise you to take heed to what I SAY/ WRITE.

Sorry kid, I have my INDIVUALISM --- COLLECTIVISM
balance down packed.

No one is embarrassing me. I'm doing MY shit.
I just advocate less dependency for err'body else.

Kind of fucked up that we talk about how we want collective improvement--but afraid to talk about how that can realistically
be accomplished.

Two-dimensionalizing us just cause we don't agree with you
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162. "this is genius posting.... n/m"
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My Mantra when dealing with White folks:

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166. "thats fucked up"
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crab in the barrel motherfucka


finish your common and take TWO bites of your Stevie, and then you can have some dipset- dUD

  

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175. "crab. in. the. barrel."
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because i disagree, and because i think these Cosby-ass diatribes have more to do with being ashamed than it does with actual concern with the actual welfare of poor black folk?

i'll be that, then.

  

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192. "even quicker: i tutor her children"
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and work with her baby daddy who's locked up in prison.

Now why don't you run down a list of whatever the fuck it is YOU do to help anybody?

>>Y'all are mixin all kindsa shit in here. I don't think the
>>point is about assigning blame for poverty -- the point is,
>>you are doing a DISSERVICE to not only "the race"
>
>explain to me how your life as a Harvard-educated woman is
>affected by the struggles of some black woman in Roxbury?
>
>i mean, outside of your bougie embarassment.
>
>


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153. "I wished they'd stick to the POINT."
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it would save me time from typing.



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154. "you really ARE crazy."
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157. "eff you, Quixotic...(yeah I know its you)"
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its gonna take a lil "crazy" to get people
out of this tired ass "we have no choice/power" logic you're touting.




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152. "you've given every scenario/story/situation I've heard before..."
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and have seen with my own eyes.

And on some level, I TOTALLY agree about the need for social networks
in order for one to progress forward. However I can't clap to this idea of the American vacuum. That people aren't exposed to different models. That there isn't a way OUT.

I came from a working class background. And my parent's struggled,
not because the cost of living was high, but mainly because they mis-managed their finances and had their priorities fucked up.
Like it or not, thats the story of the vast majority. The opportunities of self-improvement are there--its up to YOU to grasp them.

I'll tell you what did it for me. My Phillipine immigrant co-worker at a retail store, who came here with nothing, unable to speak english--worked her ass off for 12 years and saved up something like $20G's, she lived with her aunt and provided baby-sitting in exchange for room and board. She's gone on to school to become a nurse.

The BLACK guy that I'm now dating has a similiar story--and
is finishing up grad school.

As much as you all hate the comparisons to immigrants...HOW is it that so many people can come here with NOTHING and build from that shit?

I know that the way people came here (voluntarily or not)affects there persepctive on the OPPORTUNITY. But the fact remains that there is MORE opportunity here than elsewhere.

We seriously under-estimate the active role that poor people
play in perpetuating their cycle. Feel free disagree, but I know what I SEE and HEAR on the daily. I DO believe that we can improve
our mindset on a CULTURAL-behavioral level. (i.e. or attitudes about education, money-management)

And I believe there are preventive measures that we can take
to minimize poverty on OUR end. (i.e. birth planning)

These simple measures that I present are WELL within our control
and in my opinion better prepare us to attack social policy.

I can't reinforce these ideas of disempowerment when I know
that we aren't doing the best we can.

We're far from innocent in this.















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195. "RE: U and I have VERY different ideas about PERSONAL account"
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>U and I have VERY different ideas about PERSONAL
>accountability.
>
>And before I begin, let's not make any assumptions about each
>other.
>I would gladly appreciate it if you would have a conversation
>with me as an individual without all of the unnecessary name
>calling.
>
>alright?

okay mad doggie, but everything u typed was 100% pure uncut huff.

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202. "do better or don't bother n/m"
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203. "i dont have time, im at work bettering myself & my race concurently"
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206. "then next time just be HONEST, say you don't have TIME..."
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instead of insulting me and my intelligence.

A mofo cared enough to take your post seriously
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216. "i had time this a.m., this afternoon i didn't"
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it will take me longer than 10 minutes to respond to everything & i don't want to do a disservice to my people by not responding accordingly. trust me, i've got a gang of shit to say.....i just cant do it right now.

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281. "*ding, ding, ding* It's a first round knockout . . ."
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cosign on everything!!! But the sad part is that you're talking to a lot of "Lakreesha & DeAndres" so half the shit you said went way over their heads. Some people can't take looking into a mirror to see their flaws, whether individual or our race as a whole.


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47. "i'm disappointed."
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~G.D.

  

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56. "Quioxtic, I don't expect for you and I to always agree..."
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In fact, something would be wrong if we did.

You can be disappointed all you want, but this MY opinion.
Shaped of course from my own observation/perspective in the world.

Politically correct hard liberalism is not my cup of tea.

So unless you can refute it with your own informed opinion, then spare me.

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58. "you shouldn't be..."
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that's classic zora.

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104. "i never saw anything that would make me think"
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she was a classist.

blinders, perhaps.

~G.D.

  

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106. "read post #98..."
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if you still think of me as a classist.

I'll accept it gladly.



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50. "ridiculous..."
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57. "do better n/m"
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118. "poor jews don't have mad kids?"
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come to brooklyn.

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120. "ha! i don't doubt that they do.!"
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but those mofos are far from imbalanced and disempowered as a WHOLE.




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123. "yes, cuz they're white. lol"
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*shrug*

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125. "yup..."
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now beyond the use of the analogy, that I used for the sake of
demonstrating that Population #'s are not a threat in modern soceity...

can you move beyond the "Jews" and comment on
that overall POINT?

It would make for more interesting, thought-provoking conversation. : )


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133. "well, to the larger point..."
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i think you understate what population means globally.

in "the arab world", 2/3 of the population is younger than 18. while in the west birth rates have declined significantly (a product of bourgeois health care, "education," and sensibilities).

now, do you think it coincidental that the middle east project is in effect right now? it's the only way, imo, to sustain long term western dominance. it's strategic.

so population does matter.

clearly, i'm not one of those "women should have ninety kids to replenish the race" folks. however, i balk at the notion of "quality vs. quantity."

why can't we just have a bunch of bomb ass Black kids? they aren't mutually exclusive.

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139. "but what about germ-warfare, WMD, i.e. bombs?"
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hell, machete's in Rwanda?..you talk as if their are no means of quickly exterminating people, if one so desired.

It has been done and CAN be done.

Numbers harm you if you don't have enough resources (education, housing, healthcare) to support them. That in its self is WMD.

My point is this. Be strategic in your growth. Be able to provide people the basics they need to survive and flourish as a civilization. How can you argue against this?




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144. "life isn't a corporation tho"
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that's why i can't ride with it.

it's uber bottom line. and it's disconcerting, in the least, to analyze human reproduction as such.

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161. "call it what you want, but it is the UNDER-LYING force..."
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of autonomous independent nations.

Do you read/ or have an interest in about how leaders manage their populations?

I highly recommend the autobiography of Lee Kuan Yew of
Singapore...he may be a perverse example...however, the fundamentals of nation building... yeah the shyt interests me very much on an analytical level.

At least we now know that we're coming at
this topic from different angles. : )





>>analyze human reproduction as such.<<<

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258. "YES! WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE THE JEWS!!!!"
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261. "you all late, mofo : D"
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269. "when di smoke dun clear already"
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but yea i don't know about telling our people we should become more like 10%ers
that shit is assbackwards.

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280. "Did anybody say that we had to BE like the JEWS?"
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or did you miss the point entirely of using the analogy of the low population vs their power/influence in America as an example of how HUGE population #'s DON'T matter much in a modern society, especially if you can't manage them? (i.e. resources, healthcare education)

Please don't get it twisted.



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284. "ma. do you know how the jews were able to aquire their"
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stability?? something we will never have in a million and one years
WHITENESS
telling black people you need to do this and that like the jews
we don't even know how to act like black people
we're all fucked up tryin to model our shit after white people already.


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286. "I'm gonna say this ONE more time and once only...."
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POPULATION does not equal POWER.

POPULATION is not a THREAT to anyone
but itself if it can not SELF-MANAGE.

I don't know how to put it more plainly than that.

If you're stumped...substitute the word JEWS with ASIAN
and the term Power/influence with ECONOMIC/EDUCATION/Power.








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287. "RE: I'm gonna say this ONE more time and once only...."
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>POPULATION does not equal POWER.

NO REALLY!!:?!?!?!?!?! (10% is a lot smaller than 85)

>POPULATION is not a THREAT to anyone
>but itself if it can not SELF-MANAGE.

...duh

>I don't know how to put it more plainly than that.
>
>If you're stumped...substitute the word JEWS with ASIAN
>and the term Power/influence with ECONOMIC/EDUCATION/Power.

no.. YOU are the stumped one.


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288. "finally n/m"
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290. "i wasn't arguing any of that"
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everybody knows what black people need to do
it's HOW we need to do it that got people stumped.
its definitely never gonna be the way the jews did it.
and its definitely never gonna be under this government

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292. "wow. and look at that ....we actually agree on that POINT ...."
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but if you read the other posts instead of jumping
to conclusions you would've seen that.

HueyShakur/Quixotic/QuestON4 /sociologik and I
have already covered this portion of the topic...

I'm not going over it again...Much of everything
has already been said.


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294. "dude...its too late for any of that. i'll take ur word"
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i'm not even supposed to be in here

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296. "gitchur ass out of here!!!!"
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*chases with broom*

lol.


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13. "you niggas are really scaring me right now."
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i'm out. somebody please up this shit later so the day folks can chime in.

so far, all you bammas singin the same tune. maybe the day folks will offer other opinions.

  

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15. "u mad scooby? n/m"
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16. "the trends are what they are"
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ionno bout that 'dilutin the race' foolishness



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24. "but he's obviously not trying to hear the TRUTH, tho...."
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folks are letting their idealism blind them
from the fiscal realities.


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25. "well u seem to have equally strong preconcieved notions re "lakreesha"
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& deandre"

and what they and they kids are capable of


but im logging out.



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87. "no doubt that people can rise above their conditions..."
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There are many exceptional gifted people that
come from meager beginnings and contributed greatly
to the world, Dr. Ben Carson , local Baltimore neurosurgeon
comes to mind.

Thats not my real point though.

Black folks have been obssessed with "numbers"
long before, but especially during the 60's 70's
Black Power Movement. When "revolutionaries" encouraged
black women to stay at home and "birth soldiers"...

What did that give us but more inter-generational
reliance on welfare since people were having more
children than they could support?

The reality is this: Until we pro-create with some greater sense of purpose and self-determined LEGACY, we will ALWAYS be slaves (in some capacity..i.e. cheap labor, military, prison labor) in America.

Cultural Groups that delay and PLAN their children are at
an advantage in THIS society.

Not only do they have more to provide them (mentally, financially)
but they are instilling in them a sense of LEGACY. "Do better, be better than me, pass on the wealth..." etc.)

Meanwhile, many of us (black people) are not being as strategic
in our birth planning. Far too many of our youth become parents
before they can even establish themselves.

It is a vicious cycle. And excuse-making helping the problem.





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17. "Well since 1973 the legalization of abortions"
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over 13 million abortions have been carried out on black women.

the population is roughly 40 million plus 13 million is 53 million.

Niggas following white folks will be in the same situation in a few generations which is old childless and not very wealthy.

Industrialization exploitation genocide captialism have allowed europeans nations to get fat and the people simply say fuck children get money now the global white birth rate is 0. damn near 0 why because they value money over life.

Who do yall think are the motherfuckers getting artifical shots to have sex and septuplets(if thats how you spell it).

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22. "We'll still be around, but we're pretty much on the road to Screwedom."
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*shrug*

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26. "seems like y'all puttin value on lives based on education &"
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economic status

  

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27. "Its the Amerikkkan/white way"
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!!!!!!

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42. "u haven't lived until u've lived like a yt"
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105. "What is WRONG with establishing a LEGACY?"
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What is so wrong with minimizing unnecessary
suffering that comes with poverty?

What is so wrong with working towards greater AUTONOMY as a people?

I'm so sick of people suger-coating the consequences of
being on the passive end.

Education and Economics MATTER. Building and progression, MATTERS.

Civilization is NOT a European concept. Our people
have not always been at the mercy of others to fulfill our
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28. "ive heard of this before"
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speaking specifically about black women who are educated and tend to put off having kids, or have very few or one...........it was told to me as the condoleeza rice syndrome.


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32. "i'm glad condoleeza rice ain't got no mufuggin kids"
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<--All-American couple


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37. "y?"
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43. "she doesn't deserve beautiful black babies"
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<--All-American couple


"people on here just be like " go for it man! its sex! god forbid you turn down SEX! *dances around the baal statue*" -- Stephbit

  

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48. "that is a stupid thing to say"
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are you being sarcastic?


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59. "no, i'm not being sarcastic. fuck that bitch."
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why the fuck would i want somebody fucked up in the head like her raising children? f.u.c.k. h.e.r., and i am glad she ain't got no kids, she's retardacrazy like that bitch zorasmoon.

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63. "sorry, i rather her have kids"
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then somebody sitting on their azz all day collecting welfare checks not contributing a damn thing to society...

having 4 and 5 kids collecting more checks, and dont even know who the father is......

bad ass kids in diapers at age 2 bank head bouncing and singing the whipser song, and cant count to 10

spending government checks on daycare proms and buying expensive vehicles while paying 50 dollars a month rent

*waits
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69. "oh yea, cuz what condi does is SUCH a benefit to society"
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you sound like an idiot.

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73. "and you are an idiot"
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because you cant catch sarcasm worth a damn

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81. "whoops, my bad"
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posts like this make my blood boil.

edit: yo, i ain't read that post at all! LMAO!

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85. "i know, thats why i put the winking smiley at the end"
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lmao

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68. "Thats quite a leap to make tho"
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I have never heard her make a statement even close to the one we are arguing.

Her politics and who she hitched her politcal career wagon too may suck.

But what does it have to do with the price of tea in China?

  

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74. "oh, this is a complete side argument, player"
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and i have read her make very foul arguments about the black condition in america. she's a despicable human being imo

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90. "she's satans concubine"
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fuck her & her uterus

  

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60. "really."
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bad sort of hate

  

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67. "wow...this is a bit sensitive."
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i mean it's not like he cursed her not to have children.

she NEVER had kids and she's in her 50s now. either has been through menopause or bout to be. so it's not like she's gonna have anyways.

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65. "i agree"
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51. "it's not a black thing though"
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that is what happens in the upper classes and it makes sense.



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61. "Well, its career vs family"
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I mean, while some can do it its a MUCH more difficult task juggling three kids and a career going at full furnace. Even on the father side.

So waiting later for kids and having them ten years in your career while your on a steady slower incline isn't a bad strategy.

But the original posts ignores the fact that Lakreesha & DeAndre kids even as bad as it may feel to us sometimes here, can go to college, make six figures and waste all day posting on a messageboard.

  

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71. "as silly as im being this is real right here"
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>But the original posts ignores the fact that Lakreesha &
>DeAndre kids even as bad as it may feel to us sometimes here,
>can go to college, make six figures and waste all day posting
>on a messageboard.

conditions change and ppl change, being born into a less then desireable situation isnt the end of your life.

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75. "But they are genetically inferior!"
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We, the talented tenth that post on okayplayer must breed together to save the black race!

Our kids will be smarter, faster, geekier, and will be able to type at over 100 words a minute

  

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78. "lol"
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but yeah, i agree, it stems from classism...



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80. "welll i will help them"
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but i be damn if i have a child from one of them


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132. "conditions change and ppl change, being born into a less then desireable..."
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but duplicating that cycle isn't healthy for the greater good either. The problem is comming up with ways to deter the less than desirable situations from becoming so common place.
<-----Me and Pop circa '99





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169. "oh i totally agree"
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and I am inclined to cosign what Zora has been saying actually
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198. "but why do we have to TAKE the route of struggling?"
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too often?

Why do we have to struggle to redeem ourselves?

I'm all for the *avoidance* of unnecessary struggle.
We can cross the river in a boat easier if we're not
wasting time patching up "holes" on the way.

>>>conditions change and ppl change, being born into a less then desireable situation isnt the end of your life.<<<



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66. "i dont care, im talking about black folks right now"
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30. "It's about economic power of which we have yet to realize"
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33. "yes, you were right to say GTFOOHWTBS"
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shit is stupid.

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35. "The fact that Clarence Thomas has no kids with his honkey wife..."
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...is cause enough for celebration.

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39. "Nope. The black middle class and bourgeois have diluted the race"
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is what I get from the replies in the post.

Lower income families having more kids isn't anything new or unique to African Americans. The logical leap that the original posters friend and some of you guys are making is disappointing and shows how disconnected some of us are.

  

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44. "!!!"
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45. "Hey, its true. Whitey cares more about the poor negros"
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then we do. Sure, its liberal 'white guilt' but at least they acknowledge it.


Negro's get some status and want to either

1)Be whitey
2)Ape the worse aspects of upper middle class into our own mutated form
3)Play the Bill Cosby role but offer no solutions/and or help

  

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53. "yo. i'm not disagreeing."
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that's just the official end of this post.

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46. "preach"
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fuck you.

  

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138. "Think about what you wrote"
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>Lower income families having more kids isn't anything new or
>unique to African Americans.

No fucking kidding - lower income families having more kids is a FUNDEMENTAL reason why those poor folks STAY poor.

The logical leap is that since blacks are DISPROPORTIONATELY poor then it may be a good idea for us to re-evaluate this particular dysfunctional pattern.

The logical leap that the
>original posters friend and some of you guys are making is
>disappointing and shows how disconnected some of us are.
>
>

What exactly are you disappointed about? The fact that some single mothers are having five, six, seven kids? Or the fact that some folks brought attention to it and said MAYBE that might not be a good thing?



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159. "RE: Think about what you wrote"
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>>Lower income families having more kids isn't anything new
>or
>>unique to African Americans.
>
>No fucking kidding - lower income families having more kids is
>a FUNDEMENTAL reason why those poor folks STAY poor.

The above sentence was written to prove

1)Lower income folks across all racial lines have the same issue, yet the rumble for them to stop having kids isn't as loud

2)Its not a fundemental reason. Rising teen and out of wedlock births are a relatively new phenom...but black folks have been poor even BEFORE that became an issue. Its a symtom of lack of education, and other things, but not the reason.

Your buying into the 'All negros do is have kids on welfare' conditioning.

>The logical leap is that since blacks are DISPROPORTIONATELY
>poor then it may be a good idea for us to re-evaluate this
>particular dysfunctional pattern.
>
>The logical leap that the
>>original posters friend and some of you guys are making is
>>disappointing and shows how disconnected some of us are.
>>
>>
>
>What exactly are you disappointed about? The fact that some
>single mothers are having five, six, seven kids? Or the fact
>that some folks brought attention to it and said MAYBE that
>might not be a good thing?
>
>

Its not a good thing. Not at all, it strains what little resources they have, and makes a tough situation tougher. However 'Quality, not quantity' is on some next level shit, and frankly some of the arguments in the post reek of 'Dont let those niggers bread to make more niggers;.


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185. "Again, let us think about what you wrote"
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>>>Lower income families having more kids isn't anything new
>>or
>>>unique to African Americans.
>>
>The above sentence was written to prove
>
>1)Lower income folks across all racial lines have the same
>issue, yet the rumble for them to stop having kids isn't as
>loud
>
>2)Its not a fundemental reason. Rising teen and out of
>wedlock births are a relatively new phenom...but black folks
>have been poor even BEFORE that became an issue. Its a symtom
>of lack of education, and other things, but not the reason.
>

Your "above" sentence mentioned nothing about out of wedlock births - it mentioned the fact that lower income families having more kids isn't anything new.. I agree with you that it's a basic and enduring social fact - as far as I know, it's true generally across the board. To the extent that it isn't anything new, and it isn't unique to blacks, I think it's safe to say that it IS a fundemental mechanism in the reproduction (no pun) of poverty. Any and all behavior that makes it more difficult for poor folk to support their kids and get by is a central component of what keeps in the lower echelons of the social hierarchy.

>Your buying into the 'All negros do is have kids on welfare'
>conditioning.
>

Um, no fucking no. I never said that and I don't believe it. What I do know is that there is a fairly large contingent of poor folk, who are disproportionately black, having kids they can't support. Irrefutable.

>Its not a good thing. Not at all, it strains what little
>resources they have, and makes a tough situation tougher.
>However 'Quality, not quantity' is on some next level shit,
>and frankly some of the arguments in the post reek of 'Dont
>let those niggers bread to make more niggers;.
>

Well I definitely see the problematic and dangerous implications of that kind of classist philosophy. point taken.

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176. "exactly, cause CLASS ENVY ain't getting mofos anywhere...n/m"
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158. "theres your answer right fucking there."
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207. "i was gone say somn along this level.."
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209. "Ha ha, I beat you. Up your words per minute Ma!"
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62. "their conditioning has been conditioned... n/m"
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64. "my aunt said this to me once"
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because i only want 2 kids
she said i should have like 8 cuz i'm a good parent

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72. "this topic makes my ovaries hurt :^("
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77. "If you make less then 30k and live in the hood, slice them out now!"
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Save our future!

  

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88. "lol"
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79. "Stop future criminals by aborting black babies!"
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91. "stop black procreation kill all black women"
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82. "We aint goin nowhere."
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even though a lot of us are dying due to all sorts of factors, we produce at a high rate, and considering the one drop rule in this country, we are bleeding into other ethnic groups as well. black genes pop up even after several generations just to remind folks of the power of the black gene.

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99. "exactly, the fear of becoming extinct is irrational and FOOLISH."
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83. "I am chocolate.... eff the black folks... all my candy race people.."
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follow me............ chocolate and caramel folks follow me.

  

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86. "This is absurd and silly"
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cause if we haven't become extinct from diabetes aka sugar, cancer and all other diseases because as a whole we're too scared to go to the doctor, having 2 vs. 9 kids are not going to be the issues.

So basically, folk are saying that our only options are to have a bunch of kids we can't afford vs. seeking education and starting a family at whatever time we feel ready for it.

  

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89. "Black Folks are gonna be extinct!"
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Latinos will have to get darker tans to replace us!

  

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93. "they cain't hide that hair though! it's all in the hair..."
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..it is!

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92. "its not a racial issue... its economic.."
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thats across the board..

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more kids in the trailer park then in the condos
more kids in the hood than in the burbs

Breathe E.Z.

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it trumps all...that is the backbone of survival right there.


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171. "naaaah 'Knowledge of Self' is"
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you may understand that in your next lifetime...


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ain't about shit. according to sources who know your
creepy ass.

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205. "it's racial, when it's "niggas in the hood, named Lakreesha & DeAndre""
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211. "She's talking about the generic issue. Not the nonsense popped"
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in this post.

  

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232. "I just hate that &quot;what about us&quot; shyt, I mean if we are talkin..."
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...the Black communities in the Americas, which holds no similarities to any other situation in the world, then any other comparison is irrevelant.


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309. "Angelo said something about Knowledge Of Self"
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every original person who suffers in the world suffers at the same hands for the same reasons.

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94. "Excellent example:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=664970&mesg_id=664970&listing_type=search

Parents not raising the kids...
They grow into less than capable adults.

You can see the kids from the 80s turning into adults right now.
A good deal of them aren't mentally prepared to take good care of themselves.

  

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95. "There is a difference between that"
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and them 'diluting the race'.

Most of the issues they are facing had nothing to do with how many kids their parents had or didn't have, its just the fact that they are passing down their bad parenting skills to a new generation.

But the original post is on some other shit.

  

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103. "Dilute = Less potent."
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The generation before us had less opportunities, but still fought to stay afloat.

The current generation sees those opportunities and takes them for granted.

Will the next generation even care?

  

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108. "But, its not as if they magically stopped having kids out of wedlock"
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and a biblical plague passed and killed their offspring they would suddenly be better off. Its a byproduct of other issues.

I would love to see statistics showing the birthrate of african american children, I seriously doubt its that much more then their white counterparts...

  

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109. "This generation may be the first to do WORSE than"
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their predecessors...who said that? Tavis Smiley.


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96. "As if some black professionals working 60 hour weeks"
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don't 1/2 ass take care of their kids.

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97. "THERE IT IS, BAM, IN UR FACE GOTDAMN, THIS IS A DOPE"
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JAM! (C) CHUCKY D

  

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100. "chances are they have a nanny though. so somebody is"
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there in an advisory role.

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101. "Yeah true...I guess it depends"
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I mean some professionals gotta grind that hard to make only abt 65K a year. Is 130K total income enough to afford a nanny? I don't really know. Anyway, let me shut up b/c I agree with you and I don't want to ruin this sweet, tender moment that we're sharing.

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137. "130 is enough to afford a nanny. n/m"
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113. "this isn't about good parenting vs. bad parenting"
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and the fact of the matter is - boogie black parents who work 60 hour weeks can generally afford high quality day care for their kids..

everyone knows that there are some wonderful poor parents out there, and some HORRIBLE well to do parents.. that isn't the point - the point is, the more resources you control, the more you can transfer to your kids and the more opportunities they'll have to be something other than a criminal.

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145. "Exactumundo!! There are plenty of stupid ,lazy...."
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white kids, the only difference is more oft than not there is enough economic pull in their home, or enough of a wide network base to keep 'Jacob' or 'Lindsay' with an internship in college, trips abroad,and a foot in the door for a job, that they probably don't even qualify for. And also a lot of races aren't rich per say, but they do know how to pass along what they do have, in a way that it becomes routine behavior.
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163. "truth"
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that's exactly it right there.. although i'd modify that to say that it isn't fair to refer to 'white kids' per se - generally we're talking about middle and upper class whites - because working class and poor whites suffer many of the same social dysfunctions and handicaps and poor folk of any color.. but they do have that a bit of a heads up cuz of their skin.. but it's not enough to launch them into the middle and upper classes.

>white kids, the only difference is more oft than not there is
>enough economic pull in their home, or enough of a wide
>network base to keep 'Jacob' or 'Lindsay' with an internship
>in college, trips abroad,and a foot in the door for a job,
>that they probably don't even qualify for. And also a lot of
>races aren't rich per say, but they do know how to pass along
>what they do have, in a way that it becomes routine behavior.
><-----Me and Pop circa '99
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230. "they can pay someone to take care of their kids..."
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...when a father who does not live in the hosehold does it, he's called an absentee parent.

...when Black women did that shyt from slavery to the mid to late 20th century, we called those daycare providers "mammies, but in this case the ones that shirked their parental replace the "oppressors".


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112. "I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I know this"
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Poor folks tend to raise poor folks - regardless of race.. but this is particularly true in the black community. I do think there is a problem if families with the scarcest resources are having the most children .. simply for the fact that those kids will generally have fewer life chances than those who grow up with more cultural, economic and social capital. I'm not talking about whether or not the children born to poor families are 'worth less' or a dilution of the race.. but rather, the fact that intentionally bringing children into the world that you KNOW you can't support .. repeatedly .. is a recipe for social dysfunction and is fundamentally unfair to those kids.


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114. "they aren't trying to hear this though....."
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the quest for autonomy, self-reliance and legacy
are foreign to their deaf ears.

With notions of "power" like these, no wonder
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142. "inbox"
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127. "CO-SIGN."
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173. "Then why aren't y'all have had kids yet."
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179. "i'm poor, not crazy"
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182. "Some of us don't choose to have children..."
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and some of us may choose to adopt.

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184. "i think he was being facetious"
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188. "I was kind of half was. Socioglicalisitalqowehuwe gave me the idea"
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With one of her replies where she tried to post jack into a 'Educated black women don't date outside of their peers'. It gave me the idea(not that exactly agree with this either) that maybe its not the poor people, but the middle to upper middle class for being selfish and not raising kids asap in search of furthuring their career.

  

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191. "RE: I was kind of half was. Socioglicalisitalqowehuwe gave me the idea"
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>With one of her replies where she tried to post jack into a
>'Educated black women don't date outside of their peers'. It
>gave me the idea(not that exactly agree with this either) that
>maybe its not the poor people, but the middle to upper middle
>class for being selfish and not raising kids asap in search of
>furthuring their career.


It is not selfish for one to delay starting a family to seek career advancement. Too many people have started families much earlier than planned only to regret it. I'm not saying that they regret having children, but that they wished they'd delayed it for a moment to pursue their dreams and/or career. A miserable only makes an entire family miserable.

Futhermore, not everyone wants children. Personally, to have children would be nice one day, but I'm not pressed. There is a freedom to life and finances that I enjoy at the moment.

  

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273. "pretty much"
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124. "there are a lot of mad motherfuckers here."
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not to be confused with M.A.D. motherfuckers, no incesto.

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135. "100% correct, there are some stupid folks out there... n/m"
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143. "you all are trippin"
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I haven't read one well thought out and thorough rebuttal to anything Zorasmoon said.

Sure, whoever the original poster's friend was - their comment IS laden with classist overtones and general ignorance. But the core of the issue seems really, really basic to me: It's rarely a good thing for a family (single parent or otherwise) to bring more kids into the world than they can afford to support. This is something that's problematic for any group of folk, regardless of race, but the fact that this is a particularly rampant phenomenon in the black community is problematic in my book because the welfare (in the original denotation of the word) of our people is important to me. Who can really argue with that?

The reasons BEHIND the phenomenon are multifaceted and it isn't just a question of individual choice - there are systematic and historical issues at hand here. But what I'm thinking is - if this continues, the future of the race will look basically like this: a contracted middle class, a burgeoning lower and working class and a miniscule upper class. I, personally, would rather see a more normal distribution of resources.


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150. "..."
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>>>QUALITY not QUANTITY of black folks is ALL that matters.<<<<

someone needs to concoct a response to this eugenicist bullshit?

>>So basically, fuck Lakreesha and DeAndre cause they're really
setting us BACKWARDS.<<<

you keep on riding w/ her on this.

this is disgusting.

  

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156. "let's think about this for a second"
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I mean shit.. that does sound mad eugenicist.. I think she shot herself in the foot with that comment, and maybe she is a bit out there on that point, but I would ride with her if she meant that it's the quality of the kind of upbringing you can provide for your kids that matters - not the quanitity. And in terms of collective power - power isn't simply a matter of numbers so much as it is a question of the kind of skills and capital that your people control. Do you disagree with that?

I think it's fairly extreme to say "fuck lakreesha" or whatever the fuck the hypothetical baby momma of 14 chilren's name is -- We shouldn't abandon any segment of our people.. but what we should be able to do is agree that it's not a good idea for folks to over-reproduce when their income can't handle it.


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165. "Nobody is arguing against this"
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>but what we should be able to do is agree that it's not a good
>idea for folks to over-reproduce when their income can't
>handle it.
>

For someone who is talking about people not reading, I think its you who isn't reading.

Zora's original post, and some of her replies are pure classism.

If you put a post up there having the above paragraph as a topic, you probably wouldn't find one naysayer.

However, the original posters friend, and some of the replies implied something entirely different.

Your picking the wrong battle.


  

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"i'm talkin about her first 'jews' response"


          

I don't understand the disappointment people expressed about that

later down the line, maybe she did go wrong, but many of her early points rang true to me.

and what did the original poster's friend's 'niggas dilutin the race' comment imply that is so objectionable?

shit they probably ARE diluting the race.. but the response shouldn't be to 'fuck em' - the response should be to intelligently probe the structural *and* cultural reasons why this is something that disproportionately affects us, and to critically examine what it is we can do about it. Some folks (huey, etc) are arguing that we shouldn't do anything about it.. ppl should be free to make their own mistakes, yadda yadda yadda. I don't agree.

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177. "there's nothing you can do. this is not some new phenom"
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this problem didn't evolve last yr
been this way
and the ppl who are victim to it are fine with how they live
so let them be
u can drag a horse to water , but....
thats why i quit trying
besides many these ppl LIKE the way they live
they rather have 4 kids , pay $50 a month rent thru section 8, wait a whole YEAR for their income tax to come so they can buy that new throwback or rims
thats their pleasure
let them have it
nutin wrong wit that kinda
imo it's part of the culture
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180. "The jews success has little to do with their birthrate"
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it has everything to do with their sense of community. Hasidim have kids by the fucking boatload.

Of course people shouldn't be having kids they can't support. Duh. Its a problem in poor communities because of a general lack of education. The blind leading(or in this case raising) the blind will be a problem we will be dealing with for decades.

But is the solution to neuter them, or to EDUCATE them?

'Diluting the race'? Really.


  

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183. "the more education the less children on avg."
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but you are correct about the Hasidim with boatloads of children.
Depending on the sect (Satmar, Lubavitch,etc.., few pursue higher education...

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189. "But my point its"
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Its not the fact that they have less kids they are successful.

They go to school, they go to college, they start their career. They realize that they will have to put kids on hold now while they can so that way when they are in their 30's they will have a nest egg to support them.

On the flipside

They drop out of school, don't even make it to college...whats stopping them from not having kids? Or, depending on the quality of that education using half-assed birth control?

The education, opportunities, community support is what made them a success, the lower birthrade is a byproduct.

The lack of education, opportunities, and community support is what made 'Laquesha' not a success, the high birthrate is a byproduct.

  

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197. "the high birthrate is a by-product"
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that contributes to the reproduction of poverty.. agreed?

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199. "*Holds chess piece in hand and ponders*"
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Um

Agreed!

  

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170. "Dr. Claw can agree with that..."
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and true, dear Zora was going a little extreme on the whole "Bumqueisha" flibbity-floo, but all The Doc saw jabronis do up there was attack her instead of offering an alternative. Like The Doc said, jabronis were mad, big time. Instead of being mad, why not say something to refute it instead of putting your nose up in the stratosphere? That's just about as "bougie" as some roody-poos claim to be against.

Personally, The Doc agrees with the core of what Zora was trying to say: "Quality, not quantity". That doesn't mean you have to make a bunch of money to raise "quality" people. Hell, a number of prominent Black figures were from families that were WAY down in the dumps. Even if their families came out better-off than most, they probably may have had a link or two in the family tree that wasn't far removed from what some may term the "dregs". As long as business is being handled in the home to the best of their abilities, who gives a pair of Britney Spears's dirty panties how much money the families make, or what kind of cuckoo names the children have? Of course, that goal can't be attained without some standards being set, and some socioeconomic hurdles being jumped. Unfortunately, and not to sound defeatist, but The Doc's cynical side has him thinking that's not going to happen in his lifetime...

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302. "cuz Doc,.....its much easier to call Zora a BITCH rather than..."
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construct a well-thought out intelligent, rebuttal
to the case she presents.

But for real, Zora says FUCK those jabroni's because she knows
that she's dealing with co-signing okpsheeple...who have no orignal thoughts/ opinions of their own.

I don't hate them...the task of broadening the minds of narrow-minded people it comes with the territory.

10-20 of you at a time? Come one with it, I can hold my own.


>>and true, dear Zora was going a little extreme on the whole "Bumqueisha" flibbity-floo, but all The Doc saw jabronis do up there was attack her instead of offering an alternative. Like The Doc said, jabronis were mad, big time. Instead of being mad, why not say something to refute it instead of putting your nose up in the stratosphere? That's just about as "bougie" as some roody-poos claim to be against.

Personally, The Doc agrees with the core of what Zora was trying to say: "Quality, not quantity". That doesn't mean you have to make a bunch of money to raise "quality" people. Hell, a number of prominent Black figures were from families that were WAY down in the dumps. Even if their families came out better-off than most, they probably may have had a link or two in the family tree that wasn't far removed from what some may term the "dregs". As long as business is being handled in the home to the best of their abilities, who gives a pair of Britney Spears's dirty panties how much money the families make, or what kind of cuckoo names the children have? Of course, that goal can't be attained without some standards being set, and some socioeconomic hurdles being jumped. Unfortunately, and not to sound defeatist, but The Doc's cynical side has him thinking that's not going to happen in his lifetime...




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172. "if u wont say it then i will: fuck poor blacks"
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i'm sick of trying to convince poor "ghetto" ppl i know that they need to improve their lives
those ppl had the same opportunity I had
didn't make the most out of it
fuck em
i owe them nothing imo
in my eyes i'm not the same kinda black person
(if that makes sense)
if there is a such thing as poor white trash
why can't there be poor black trash?

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178. "because Quints think this way by default."
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>if there is a such thing as poor white trash
>why can't there be poor black trash?

the reason why "poor white trash" as a term even exists is because "The Man" equates them with Black people. No 3-X-O.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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190. "stupidity"
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291. " stupidity is not realizing everyone doesn't share ur ideals"
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and its nothing wrong wit their stance
ain't u african or some shit anyway
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160. "real talk: one thing that is diluting the race"
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is the fact that highly educated black women generally refuse to date/reproduce with/marry working and lower class black men. Black women with the most economic and cultural capital to transfer to their offspring are generally not having them.. and I think that IS a problem, and a large part of it is due to classicism.


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187. "Please stay with those white boys n/m"
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My Mantra when dealing with White folks:

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204. "thats an issue of class though"
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and to say that black women should do that you should say that across the board: white, black, asian, etc. but that sort of counter-intuitive to the whole moving up idea isn't it?

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236. "it's an issue of race b/c poverty disproportionately affects blacks"
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>and to say that black women should do that you should say
>that across the board: white, black, asian, etc.

This is the deal babe: the analogy isn't relevant "across the board" because asians and whites don't have the same demographic issues as we do.. the deal with us is that there simply aren't enough high income/well-educated black men to go around.. I think the gap is like 2:1 in some instances.. there are just more black women with a degree and a middle-class job than there are similar black men (hmm.. wonder why: prison industrial complex?) Point is - yes, other women of other races tend to marry folks of their own class.. many well to do black women don't have that "luxury" if you want to call it that.

>but that sort
>of counter-intuitive to the whole moving up idea isn't it?

No, it isn't. If high income black women continue in their current trends (not marrying or not having children at all), then on a macro level, we'll see contraction in the african american upper and middle classes.. meaning simply, there will be less 2 parent households, 2-income black households. On an individual level, I suppose you could say this is antithetical to the idea of "moving up" (but that's rather classist.. take it there if you want to tho) - but on an aggregate level, inter-class dating and marriage is neccessary for us to "move up" as a race.



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241. "it's an issue of race b/c poverty disproportionately affects blacks"
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Which all relates back the issue of poverty. Again this society is trying to say that children are a burden when in reality economics in this society and around the world are determined by race not how many children you have.

Although having many children will surely leave you broke it is about sacrifice with all the stupid and uneccessary crap we buy what better to spend the money we waste than on our children!!!!!!

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243. "what?"
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>Which all relates back the issue of poverty. Again this
>society is trying to say that children are a burden when in
>reality economics in this society and around the world are
>determined by race not how many children you have.
>

What?

>Although having many children will surely leave you broke it
>is about sacrifice with all the stupid and uneccessary crap we
>buy what better to spend the money we waste than on our
>children!!!!!!

What?


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255. "^^^^ THE STONE COLD ALIAS EXPOSED!"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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265. "um hell no"
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that isn't my alias

i have no idea why s/he repeated my subject line

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276. "ok now you talking crazy"
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a highly educated black woman deserves her equal like everybody else...and should not be made to feel bad about her choices.


finish your common and take TWO bites of your Stevie, and then you can have some dipset- dUD

  

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283. "kween stop trippin"
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>a highly educated black woman deserves her equal like
>everybody else...and should not be made to feel bad about her
>choices.
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>

assuming you're not joking.. cuz i ain't see a anywhere.. there just aint enuff highly educated black men around for every highly educated black woman. Now that means about half of black women with a degree are gonna have to either remain single, marry outside their race of the same class, or marry a black working or lower class dude.

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295. "correction"
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>there just aint enuff highly educated black men around for
>every highly educated black woman.
>


naw
it's plenty educated black men out there
they just have more options obviously
and prolly choose not to date delusioned black women like urself

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304. "There are more successful black women than black men - period"
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25% of young black men go to college - 35 percent of black women do.

17% of black men drop out of high school - the number is 13.5% for black women.

24% of black women make it to the professional/managerial class while only 17% of black men do.

No matter how you slice it, there are more successful black women than black men.

And please don't come at me sideways with your bullshit "they're not dating women like you" - Negro please - I have more dates than a calandar, and most of them are black men with PhD's. I'm not "delusioned" - I'm a realist. I know I'mma get mines, but a lot of well educated black women won't.

Check yourself.

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http://www.msnbc.com/m/nw/talk/archive.asp?lt=022503_cose
http://blacktown.net/newsweekarticle.htm

In the library:

Levy, Frank. 1999. The New Dollars and Dreams: American Incomes and Economic Change. Russell Sage Foundation.

Grusky, David B (ed). 2000. Social Stratification: Class, Race, and Gender in Sociological Perspective. Westview Press.

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167. "Quality not Quantity."
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this may be true...but its somewhat disturbing that you would look at a family that..."black and white" (no pun intended).

some people dont have families just to bring large numbers of kids in the world and "populate".

some people have families because they love their children and love the thought of having their ideal "complete family".

both my parents grew up piss poor. 7 siblings a piece. i doubt my grandmas sat down with my grandfathers and were like "how can we further populate this block?". no. they said i love you. and they said i love the idea of having a family.

they didn't have floor model tvs. or nikes.
they were just poor.
shit my daddy told me he didn't even taste tuna fish until his teens cuz it was a lil too much to buy enough for all of him and his sisters.

i'm not a big economics person. but i do think it is wrong to look at children like numbers that should be eliminated or deplinished. and that goes for white people and black.

ps - oh and i do believe that 90% of why jews are so powerful lies within the fact that they're white. sure they're smart and work together as a community to consistantly better themselves. but thats only 10%. the reason why they get their results...is cuz they're white.

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