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"Do people assume Islam is a more "African" religion?"


  

          

to a lot of people it seems almost synoymous. and im trying to figure the logic behind that.

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PEACE is the basis for that.
May 23rd 2005
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expound.
May 23rd 2005
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oh, dear god.
May 23rd 2005
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basically.
May 23rd 2005
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      I just wanna know why someone with a 5%er avy is
May 23rd 2005
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      lol yall musta been jumped by a gang of Gods and Earths
May 23rd 2005
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      RE: basically.
May 24th 2005
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RE: PEACE is the basis for that.
May 23rd 2005
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      wwwwooooooooooosaaaaaaaaaaaa
May 24th 2005
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           don't mind him. he mad.
May 24th 2005
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                RE: don't mind him. he mad.
May 24th 2005
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ignorant people assume lotsa stupid shit
May 23rd 2005
3
no.....where r u getting this from?
May 23rd 2005
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inspired by a few posters i've seen
May 23rd 2005
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      well then i think it has a lot to do with the nation of islam
May 23rd 2005
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      i can see how that might happen.
May 23rd 2005
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      depends on how you cee "islam"
May 23rd 2005
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           if islam isn't a religion then what is it?
May 23rd 2005
                a way of life.
May 23rd 2005
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                     how is that different from christianity or buddhism
May 23rd 2005
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                     RE: how is that different from christianity or buddhism
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                     dang woman
May 23rd 2005
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                     lol many many reasons.
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                     that's semantics.
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                          yes. that's the islam we see today.
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                               shut up. Islam is a religion...
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                               lol go read a quran verse and relax.
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                               huh?
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                                    you missed the part about Islam being older than
May 23rd 2005
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                                         original people spoke arabic ?
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                                              nope.
May 23rd 2005
                                                   oh
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Good question
May 23rd 2005
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I believe it is the original faith of the black man
May 23rd 2005
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so the black man is only 1400 years old?
May 23rd 2005
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      ding ding ding.
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      ISLAM
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           They dont feel you girl.
May 23rd 2005
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           hey i have an idea. lets try engaging in discourse?
May 23rd 2005
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           lol i'm no fun, right?
May 23rd 2005
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           Key is right
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                Small problem here
May 23rd 2005
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                polytheism is not Islam
May 23rd 2005
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                You're the one who claimed its the original religion of man
May 23rd 2005
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                     *sigh*
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                          *sigh* I'll try this again
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                               yeah but if you do
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                               I was just arguing with this statement
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                                    oh ok "everybody agrees on that" was wrong
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                               I never thought the islamic story of creation was to be
May 25th 2005
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                Is an orisha a god?
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                Animism (sp?)
May 23rd 2005
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                PLEASE go read a book
May 23rd 2005
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                Shit, tell me...
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                     What, they don't have libraries
May 23rd 2005
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                          Apparently the books ive been readin
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                               Most African religions(west African)
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                Animism is an outmoded term among scholars of religion
May 23rd 2005
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                     exactly.
May 23rd 2005
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                I don't know about Yoruba
May 23rd 2005
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                Yeah, I def. see the Egyptian point
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                so Gye Nyame is not the only God?
May 23rd 2005
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                Funny story there
May 23rd 2005
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                in Congo, they call (the christian) god NZambi
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                     Can I get a recap?
May 23rd 2005
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                     hmmmm
May 23rd 2005
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                          Thanks for the info
May 23rd 2005
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                          de rien
May 23rd 2005
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                          RE: hmmmm
May 23rd 2005
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                               there was an article on messianic figures
May 23rd 2005
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                     Thing is, what would make it funny is not the term's pre-existing
May 23rd 2005
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                          hmmmm...
May 23rd 2005
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                               RE: hmmmm...
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                considered by whom?
May 23rd 2005
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                there is one god in yoruba
May 23rd 2005
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                Olodumare right?
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                Olorun...yes
May 23rd 2005
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                Then what are the orishas considered as?
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                     Here's an interesting article I found
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                     more interesting thing abou tmost peepL who practice/follow yoruba...
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                     Interesting
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                     extentions of gods energy
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                          bingo.
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                damn, you beat me to it!
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                and isn't monotheism initially a Jewish concept?
May 23rd 2005
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                     Interesting. Never thought about it that way.
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                     Depending on how you define monotheism
May 23rd 2005
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                     umm- I forget the exact dates
May 23rd 2005
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                     I don't have the dates either
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                     i think you're right..
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                     Not Zoroaster, Mithra
May 23rd 2005
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                     There was also Zoroastrianism, Manicheism, Mithrainism... man.
May 23rd 2005
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                     RE: and isn't monotheism initially a Jewish concept?
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                not exactly what i meant.
May 23rd 2005
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           do u consider the NGE definition of Islam the same as Muslims?
May 23rd 2005
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                from what little i know of them...
May 23rd 2005
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                well here's one to grow on w/regards to the NOI
May 23rd 2005
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                skimmed the post. but the reply is the same.
May 23rd 2005
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                I know they aren't, I just asked to clear up any confusion
May 23rd 2005
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                if you're asking if muslims and Gods/Earths cee
May 23rd 2005
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                     that's because we see saying that Allah is a man
May 23rd 2005
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                          understanding understood.
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      I'll rephrase
May 23rd 2005
           so a black man who isnt muslim
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                Of Course not
May 23rd 2005
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                     so basically you're contradicting yourself
May 23rd 2005
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                          Two different prophets, One God
May 23rd 2005
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                               huh?!
May 23rd 2005
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                                    Im just sayin....
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I think this is a common misconception
May 23rd 2005
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the NOI dudes that stand outside my apartment complex's parking lot
May 23rd 2005
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atleast they call them ay-raabs. here they're sand niggers and towel hea...
May 23rd 2005
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      nah I'm too close to Dearborn for any of that stuff to fly in public
May 23rd 2005
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not I
May 23rd 2005
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well whats the math behind it?
May 23rd 2005
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but are you trying to tell me that was their original practice?
May 23rd 2005
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of course it wasnt
May 23rd 2005
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Nope
May 23rd 2005
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i said continent. so asia wins? or no?
May 23rd 2005
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      Yep
May 23rd 2005
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Nah south east asians take that record
May 23rd 2005
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Central, West, South and East Africa
May 23rd 2005
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There's no country in the world that's mostly Rasta
May 23rd 2005
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which books did that come out of?
May 23rd 2005
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the most muslims are in indonesia.
May 23rd 2005
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Pakistan + Indonesia + Bangladesh beats it
May 23rd 2005
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for some people, anything away from YT
May 23rd 2005
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There's that sad problem of some black muslims
May 23rd 2005
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than what? Christianity? if so i think it used to be.
May 23rd 2005
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I think some of you are missing the point.
May 23rd 2005
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I don't think it's possible to demarkate any one religion
May 23rd 2005
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that makes sense to me.
May 23rd 2005
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Not really
May 23rd 2005
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christianity isn't any less Afrikan than Islam.
May 23rd 2005
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*walks into post*
May 23rd 2005
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wwdyd?
May 23rd 2005
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lol
May 23rd 2005
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i didn't know where to put this up there b.u.t.
May 23rd 2005
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You are going to argue this
May 23rd 2005
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there are no 85ers in Afrika???
May 23rd 2005
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      Born in Ghana, lived in Nigeria and Togo for spells
May 23rd 2005
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           did they say to you that they worshipped several gods?
May 23rd 2005
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                Who made the generalization about ATR's?
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                     nah you didn't specify where on the continent you grew up
May 23rd 2005
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                          *looks at name of blog*
May 23rd 2005
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                          oh. in the words of the homie nk "i don't be payin attention to sigs"
May 23rd 2005
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                          he said he only knew about (insert ghanean ethnies here) though
May 23rd 2005
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                               i did not read every reply FORGIVE ME!!!
May 23rd 2005
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                                    *hugs*
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                                    Thats ok
May 23rd 2005
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                                         :D
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one thing that worries me here
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      can you rephrase?
May 23rd 2005
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           lemme try:
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                polytheism and monotheism
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                     so it's because it's closer to our current beliefs ?
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                     that's not what i said
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                          then you haven't replied
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                               oh but i DID
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                                    what about one that i understand ?
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                                         lol
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                                              not only it makes sense but
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                     RE: polytheism and monotheism
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                          please go to hell and let adults talk
May 23rd 2005
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                               RE: please go to hell and let adults talk
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                                    adults discuss things. children cuss at people.
May 23rd 2005
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                                    you seem...
May 23rd 2005
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                                         nooooo...
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                                              yup. ur mad.
May 24th 2005
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i think a good % of philadelphia's black muslims do
May 23rd 2005
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RE: Do people assume Islam is a more "African" religion?
May 23rd 2005
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Me too
May 23rd 2005
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      Yeah, further research is what we need
May 23rd 2005
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           True
May 23rd 2005
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does polytheism actually exist ?
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according to the article I linked
May 23rd 2005
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hmmmm
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      You are perceptive
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           ahahaha
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           Yo...
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           thanks
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           RE: Yo...
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           In ancient Greece there are the Titans, then the gods...
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i was finna ask dat
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Islam observes Africans as key players in its creation more open
May 23rd 2005
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For me, I always keep in mind that it's from current day Saudi
May 23rd 2005
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great post
May 23rd 2005
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The way I see it
May 23rd 2005
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couldnt agree more.
May 23rd 2005
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^^listen to this woman
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ISLAM:
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      Islam is not only Peace
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           TRUE INDEED
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                now you've really lost me
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                     original people = afrikans, asians, native americans,
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                          oh ok
May 23rd 2005
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                               with which part?
May 23rd 2005
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                                    your original post
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Prolly due to it's "Un-Euroness".
May 23rd 2005
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This post proves that all religions are equally batty
May 23rd 2005
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It dont really make that much difference...
May 23rd 2005
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Assume
May 24th 2005
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Re: On polytheism
May 24th 2005
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Do people assume Islam is a more "African" religion?
May 24th 2005
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^ are we done? should this be archived?
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RE: ^ are we done? should this be archived?
May 25th 2005
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keybored
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1. "PEACE is the basis for that."
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2. "expound."
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42. "oh, dear god."
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60. "basically."
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Mon May-23-05 05:56 PM by Science_Fiction

  

          

people trying to 'drop knowledge' but can't even formulate an argument or have a real discussion.

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73. "I just wanna know why someone with a 5%er avy is"
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the 1st to respond to this post?


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82. "lol yall musta been jumped by a gang of Gods and Earths"
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'cause i swear yall be sounding bitter as fuck.
don't be mad though...do the knowledge.
i'm not muslim so i didn't want to get into it

but my reply meant
that Islam is Peace
being the way of life of the original black man, woman and child.

lol


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192. "RE: basically."
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What is your point? Is Islam a so-called religon more associated to africa and the middle east?

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140. "RE: PEACE is the basis for that."
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"PEACE IS THE BASIS FOR THAT" (said in slurring tones of the semi brain dead) what the hell are you talking about and who the hell are you talking to? i know that you are using your silly nge acronyms but why are you using them on people who don't use your same code. if you wanna talk about peace, then you don't wanna talk about islam. islam has been responsible for more black deaths than christianity even. it is just that familiarity breeds contempt and we black be hatin on that which is closest to us (myself included, raised in the thumpinest bible banginest jamaican pentecostal church). how do you islam jockers propose that islam got all over the continent. at the end of a sword, that's how, ho.

  

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197. "wwwwooooooooooosaaaaaaaaaaaa"
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199. "don't mind him. he mad."
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200. "RE: don't mind him. he mad."
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He does have a point, It ("Islam has been responsible for more black deaths than Christianity even") may be a bit exaggerated, but still. If you go back, all the way to the Islamic conquests of Morocco or like he said prior, if you think back on how Islam got all over the continent, "At the end of a sword", you realize that neither religion is really peaceful. Mohammed: "I, The last of the prophets, am sent with the sword. Let those who promulgate my faith enter into no argument or discussion, but slay all who refuse obedience to the law". Not that it is to be taking literally but anyway Christianity and Islam are the only 2 religions that I can think of off the top off my head that insist on trying to convert people, whether by peacefully or violently.

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3. "ignorant people assume lotsa stupid shit"
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religion can't belong to any nationality/continent/etc if they openly accept any and all converts. because in the beginning, every muslim was a convert from something else right. so that cant make sense to me.



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4. "no.....where r u getting this from?"
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everyone, at least post 9-11, associates islam with the middle east.

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11. "inspired by a few posters i've seen"
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who somehow link islam to being more of an...original black man/african...(for lack of a better term) practice.

im speaking more of african americans, not america in general.

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15. "well then i think it has a lot to do with the nation of islam"
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28. "i can see how that might happen."
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is it fairly agreed upon, that this isn't accurate?

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27. "depends on how you cee "islam""
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do the knowledge to it.
if you see islam as a religion i can see how its hard for you to see.


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"if islam isn't a religion then what is it?"


  

          

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33. "a way of life."
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it has been put into the context of religion though
hence what you have now.

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36. "how is that different from christianity or buddhism"
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dont most religions dictate the way of life and culture of its followers to some degree?

ive heard people say hip hop is a way of life.
what does that have to do with its origin?(the point of this post)

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62. "RE: how is that different from christianity or buddhism"
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>dont most religions dictate the way of life and culture of
>its followers to some degree?

of course. they all do.
there is a difference between religion and culture.
ISLAM is my culture. but i don't celebrate holidays or pray or attend a "holy" santuary of any kind.

>ive heard people say hip hop is a way of life.
>what does that have to do with its origin?(the point of this
>post)

what the way of life is has EVERYTHING to do wit it's origin.
hip hop at it's root is very NY




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40. "dang woman"
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lol you spittin that knowledge...why come you ain't MOOSLEM like me? LOL

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99. "lol many many reasons."
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47. "that's semantics."
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religions are structured beliefs and rituals that orient their adherents toward the divine.

is that not what Islam is? is that not what Christianity is?

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67. "yes. that's the islam we see today."
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a religion.

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77. "shut up. Islam is a religion..."
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it always has been. dude, that 5% stuff is TRASh, thats why you never see any 5%er's with ANYTHING, that shits bullshit. Ngz talkin bout they god, but work for the white man.



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83. "lol go read a quran verse and relax."
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88. "huh?"
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Islam has always been a religion, except for when it was just Muhammad discoursing with Jahbryll.

as soon as he preached to someone else and had one follower, it was a religion.

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89. "you missed the part about Islam being older than"
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the Sun Moon and Stars, eh?

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95. "original people spoke arabic ?"
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"nope."


  

          


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104. "oh"
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I've been wondering about that too. Its not like Mohammed was born on the continent or anything

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6. "I believe it is the original faith of the black man"
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as well as christianity.

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10. "so the black man is only 1400 years old?"
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16. "ISLAM"
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is older than the Sun, Moon and Stars.

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20. "They dont feel you girl."
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23. "lol i'm no fun, right?"
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35. "Key is right"
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Islam is the original religion of man. Simply put Islam means "Submission to the will of Allah" It's most basic principal is the belief that there is only One God. That said a Muslim is, in the most basic of definitions, a person who submits themselves to Allah and believe that He is the One True God and associates no one and nothing with him.

If you want to go deep, Islam starts with the Angels who spend their time in constant worship of Allah and fulfilling His will as they are commanded. Thus Key is correct, Allah created the heavens and earth and angels long before He created man.

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44. "Small problem here"
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Not all religions believe in one god. Some of them leave god out of the picture altogether. Most west african religions are polytheistic so what is their connection to your definition of Islam?

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52. "polytheism is not Islam"
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it's just that simple. Anyway I was responding to Keybored's statement that Islam is as old as the Universe itself. If Islam's basic tenent is monotheism then I would think that any polytheistic or atheistic belief system would kind of automatically be ruled out...but hey, that's just me.

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55. "You're the one who claimed its the original religion of man"
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I'm just pointing out that there are lots of religions which predate mohammed that aren't momotheistic. Kind of shoots a hole in your statement

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76. "*sigh*"
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ok I'll take this slow for you. The original man is Adam, on this most people agree. He was created by God and given instructions for living by God. Thusly he lived his life in submission to God's Will and associated no one with God. He and his wife then sinned, but were both forgiven by God after being cast out of Paradise. On Earth they continued to live their lives in submission to God's Will and placed no associates with Him. It is the decendants of Adam that deviated from the path of submission to and worship of One God.

Islam. Muslim. Read my basic definitions above if you need further clarification.

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91. "*sigh* I'll try this again"
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>ok I'll take this slow for you. The original man is Adam, on
>this most people agree. He was created by God and given
>instructions for living by God. Thusly he lived his life in
>submission to God's Will and associated no one with God. He
>and his wife then sinned, but were both forgiven by God after
>being cast out of Paradise. On Earth they continued to live
>their lives in submission to God's Will and placed no
>associates with Him. It is the decendants of Adam that
>deviated from the path of submission to and worship of One
>God.

I understood where you were coming from perfectly. Here's where I'm coming from.

If you believe in Christianity, Judaism or Islam, all of which started in the middle east, then you believe in Adam and Eve and that particular creation story. This is not something most people agree on. My father's prople, the Ashantis, believe that Asase Yaa, the earth goddess, gave birth to the first men from a sacred hole in the ground. My mother's people, the Gas believe that man was born from the ocean. The Yuroba people believe something else. Hindus believe something else, Buddhists, something entirely different. Not all people believe the judeo-christian story of creation. Its never been that way.

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106. "yeah but if you do"
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then Islam is eternal..

It's like telling people that other stories are valid.

It doesn't work.
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126. "I was just arguing with this statement"
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>The original man is Adam, on this most people agree<

I'm not trying to argue about who's right. Just pointing out that, right or not, his view isn't shared by everyone on the planet.

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139. "oh ok "everybody agrees on that" was wrong"
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202. "I never thought the islamic story of creation was to be"
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believed word for word, I figured it was to be an example of sorts.



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53. "Is an orisha a god?"
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I'm not sure how accurate it is to call most traditional African religions polytheistic - in fact, I've heard some scholars say that all traditional African religion is monotheistic. The reason I bring up orishas is because Yoruba religion is a good example of what makes me sceptic about such scholars' claim. What do yall think?

  

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57. "Animism (sp?)"
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I thought that most indigenous African religions were poly in that
they, worshipped the spirits of their family, trees, yam plants.
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66. "PLEASE go read a book"
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and stop talking now

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74. "Shit, tell me..."
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85. "What, they don't have libraries"
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where you live? Google doesn't work for you?

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92. "Apparently the books ive been readin"
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are obsolete and you cant believe everything you read on the internet.

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174. "Most African religions(west African)"
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are not polytheistic they simply have players much like prophets in other religions or angels. IN THE YORUBA religion it is made clear that Oludumare is the highest being and the Orisas like Obatala Ogun etc. are the helpers.

Another thing about African religions is that they observe ancestors some of which are elevated to that of deity(Yoruba religion is discussing elevated El Haji Malik El Shabazz to deified ancestor.

In the Abrahamic faiths these deified ancestors are sometimes angels and even believed to be god as is seen with CHRISTIANS AND YESHUA BIN YAWEH.

Animism is a bad word but many African religions believe that animals have spirit too like all living things.

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72. "Animism is an outmoded term among scholars of religion"
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But to deal with what you're asking, the question is this: is praying to someone/something the same as thinking of him/her/it as a god? Because the issue is that, while traditional African religion involves venerating the ancestors and asking for their guidance/help, they also (in all cases I've read about) involve the idea of a single Creator.

  

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153. "exactly."
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64. "I don't know about Yoruba"
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But from what I know of Akan and Ga traditional religious practices, they are definitely polytheistic. There is a hierachy of gods though, which is what scholars tend to use as their argument for monotheism. Of course there were hierachies in Egyptian, Greek and Roman pantheons as well. Last I checked those were still considered polytheistic.

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75. "Yeah, I def. see the Egyptian point"
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Thanks for your response.

  

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94. "so Gye Nyame is not the only God?"
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105. "Funny story there"
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Nyame in the Ashanti pantheon is the sky god. He's the one Okomfo Anokye prayed to for the golden stool. He isn't the head of the pantheon though, but he and Asase Yaa are considered the parents and guardians of Ashantis. That's the way it was explained to me. Apparently, Nyame became synonymous with God because of the christian habit of pointing to the sky when referring to God. So christian Akans refer to god as Nyame.

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108. "in Congo, they call (the christian) god NZambi"
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funny thing is that NZambi pre-exists introduction of Christianity..

then again, I already told you about the particularity of Kongo beliefs and the notion of Messiah
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115. "Can I get a recap?"
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I find that stuff really interesting

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124. "hmmmm"
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apparently in the Traditionnal Kongo tradition they waited for a Messiah...

So they absorbed Xtianism quite easily actually..;

but it gets funny later:

Kimpa Vita :
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Kimbangu:
http://www.dacb.org/stories/demrepcongo/kimbangu_simon.html


and a few others...
It seems that Kongo people have not only absorbed Xtianism but they even develloped a very local and often revolutionary (especially in colonial times) understanding of it.

(of course those links were the first I googled, so i didn't read them.. may be there are more accurate articles)

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130. "Thanks for the info"
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Its always interesting to see how religions are affected by the societies they are in

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143. "RE: hmmmm"
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>Kimpa Vita :
>http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2082/is_1_63/ai_68952046
>
>Kimbangu:
>http://www.dacb.org/stories/demrepcongo/kimbangu_simon.html
>
>
>and a few others...
>It seems that Kongo people have not only absorbed Xtianism but
>they even develloped a very local and often revolutionary
>(especially in colonial times) understanding of it.
>
>(of course those links were the first I googled, so i didn't
>read them.. may be there are more accurate articles)

The first is a useful review of a book on your own Joan of Arc, and the second is a nice little summary of Kimbanguism (I didn't know Kasavubu was influenced by him! but then again, it doesn't explain much about that).

  

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147. "there was an article on messianic figures"
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old Kongo religion and colonial and even post-colonial Congo and Zaire history on les cahiers d'afrique's website..

i need to re-read it


but that thing about Messianic figures ?


It's incredibly rooted in Kongo's mindset.. (from my memories)
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131. "Thing is, what would make it funny is not the term's pre-existing"
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but rather something about Nzambi that differs from the Christian God in as fundamental a way as Olu suggests Nyame does.

In Arabic, the Christian God is "Allah".

  

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142. "hmmmm..."
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i think i got what you mean but i'm not exactly sure:


- Nowadays Nzambi is a reference to the xtian god and the xtian god only
- i don't know that much about the Kongo religion... I have a hard time finding info on it.
- Zombie = comes from Nzambi.
I wonder how we got to that..

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146. "RE: hmmmm..."
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>
>i think i got what you mean but i'm not exactly sure:
>
>
>- Nowadays Nzambi is a reference to the xtian god and the
>xtian god only

Yeah that IS quite interesting...

>- i don't know that much about the Kongo religion... I have a
>hard time finding info on it.
>- Zombie = comes from Nzambi.

Didn't know that!

>I wonder how we got to that..

I would like to know myself.

  

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98. "considered by whom?"
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93. "there is one god in yoruba"
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96. "Olodumare right?"
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109. "Olorun...yes"
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110. "Then what are the orishas considered as?"
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Just curious

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122. "Here's an interesting article I found"
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Reading it you'll see why the issue of distinguishing what or who is or not a god AND THEN deciding what constitutes mono- vs. polytheism is now appearing to me to be a very complex thing...

http://organizations.uncfsu.edu/ncrsa/journal/v03/johnsonoyinade_yoruba.htm

  

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129. "more interesting thing abou tmost peepL who practice/follow yoruba..."
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is that getting into these type of exchanges do nothing @ all


it's more about what it means for us now & how the orisa & God apply to our daily lives

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138. "Interesting"
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I might have to rethink a couple of things based on that

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123. "extentions of gods energy"
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sort of like angels



also people that think africans worshipped sticks & stones are ignorant to african ideology

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133. "bingo."
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152. "damn, you beat me to it!"
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56. "and isn't monotheism initially a Jewish concept?"
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followed by Christianity and THEN Islam?

Islam is not the root of monotheistic religious thought.

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61. "Interesting. Never thought about it that way."
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I think it's all in how you view your ethnicity too.
Niggas be on the "black is better" tip alot.

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79. "Depending on how you define monotheism"
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Akhenaten of Ancient Egypt comes along before Abraham.

  

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81. "umm- I forget the exact dates"
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...but I think the Pharaoh Akhnaten and/or Zoroastrians were on that monotheism before the Jews.

I could be wrong, but I don't feel like doing the research this second.

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87. "I don't have the dates either"
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But off the top of my head, Zoroaster does not precede Abraham (tho you're right about Akhenaten).

  

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100. "i think you're right.."
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and even if you're not, they're not related contrary to the other three sooooo...
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156. "Not Zoroaster, Mithra"
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Mithra being a Persian sky god that people took as the one true God around the time of Christ, Mithraism was the major threat to Christianity as a spiritual movement at its inception.

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114. "There was also Zoroastrianism, Manicheism, Mithrainism... man."
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This convo is a load of horseshit.

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181. "RE: and isn't monotheism initially a Jewish concept?"
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>followed by Christianity and THEN Islam?
>
>Islam is not the root of monotheistic religious thought.


In the Muslim view, islam (submission) has always been. There are like 124,000 messengers. Every people had their messenger. So Abraham (pbuh) was Muslim, Moses (pbuh) was muslim as was Jesus(pbuh). If you mean Islam as the category then maybe you have a point but the basic submission factor(islam) Muslims beleive to have always been there.

  

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84. "not exactly what i meant."
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>Islam is the original religion of man. Simply put Islam means
>"Submission to the will of Allah" It's most basic principal is
>the belief that there is only One God. That said a Muslim is,
>in the most basic of definitions, a person who submits
>themselves to Allah and believe that He is the One True God
>and associates no one and nothing with him.
>
>If you want to go deep, Islam starts with the Angels who spend
>their time in constant worship of Allah and fulfilling His
>will as they are commanded. Thus Key is correct, Allah created
>the heavens and earth and angels long before He created man.


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29. "do u consider the NGE definition of Islam the same as Muslims?"
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32. "from what little i know of them..."
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no.
but then you might start getting into...catholics vs angligans vs baptists...and they're all christian. so...

im not very well versed on the NOI though.

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41. "well here's one to grow on w/regards to the NOI"
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they are not NGE.

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49. "skimmed the post. but the reply is the same."
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what i know of the nge comes from wutang and okplayer.
and i definitely wouldn't consider the nge muslim from what i know of both practices.

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59. "I know they aren't, I just asked to clear up any confusion"
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39. "if you're asking if muslims and Gods/Earths cee"
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islam under the same definition
i have not met any orthodox muslims who do. they be ready to riot over that.

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45. "that's because we see saying that Allah is a man"
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as a blasphemy.

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101. "understanding understood."
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"I'll rephrase"


  

          

The "modern" original black man
that sounds funny....

I'll say this, anything after the fall of the Egyptian Empire.
this is when religions started poppin up right?

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30. "so a black man who isnt muslim"
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cant call himself a modern original black man today?


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37. "Of Course not"
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I'm sayin that the "modern original man" adopted islam.
Just as well that the "modern original man" adopted christianity.

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46. "so basically you're contradicting yourself"
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if they adopted both christianity and islam, how could one of them be "the" religion as you put it.


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51. "Two different prophets, One God"
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Same difference. They either chose one or the other.
Just because the early Africans were early doesn't mean that they didn't have a grasp on what and who was teaching such and etc.

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63. "huh?!"
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70. "Im just sayin...."
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They are different interpretations of what the original man was.
so they are different interpretations of what religion they chose.

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7. "I think this is a common misconception"
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8. "the NOI dudes that stand outside my apartment complex's parking lot"
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regard it as a Ay-raab religion...but then again they call themselves Muslim so what does that tell you?

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14. "atleast they call them ay-raabs. here they're sand niggers and towel hea..."
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..

do the down the way
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in the beginning
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18. "nah I'm too close to Dearborn for any of that stuff to fly in public"
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as for what's said in private, that's another matter...

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9. "not I"
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I always thought it was more of a middle eastern religion

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12. "well whats the math behind it?"
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i'd be willing to bet there are more muslims in africa than any other continent

  

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17. "but are you trying to tell me that was their original practice?"
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my dad was raised muslim. my mother raised catholic. both in the same african country.

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24. "of course it wasnt"
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orthodox islam isnt as old as africa.
orthodox islam is not an african religion
it came from asia
but its easy to see why people would think that

  

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19. "Nope"
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The world's largest single muslim population is the Hui Muslim community in China. Roughly 200 million people

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25. "i said continent. so asia wins? or no?"
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do the down the way
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31. "Yep"
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Asia wins

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22. "Nah south east asians take that record"
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but africans are a close second...arabs are only 15%

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26. "Central, West, South and East Africa"
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besides the indigenous peoples....
is mostly christian or rasatafari

Thats my opinion from reading school books and shit

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43. "There's no country in the world that's mostly Rasta"
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50. "which books did that come out of?"
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Find new ones because you are waaay off.

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68. "the most muslims are in indonesia."
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im not sure who comes in second.


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102. "Pakistan + Indonesia + Bangladesh beats it"
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and then add a low percentage of Indians, Chinese, Iran
and you have like 2wice as many as in Africa

(this can be a gross exageration)

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34. "for some people, anything away from YT"
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seems more black

  

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38. "There's that sad problem of some black muslims"
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calling Christianity a "slave religion"... I'm not sure they take the time to think about the fact that, while Christianity's introduction to black Africa precedes Islam's, so-called Muslims have been trading African slaves longer than so-called Christians.

For those Muslims who would call Islam "the black man's true religion", I can only hope they mean that from a theological perspective rather than a historical one.

  

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48. "than what? Christianity? if so i think it used to be."
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54. "I think some of you are missing the point."
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first of all, im not attacking islam.

what im asking is, how is it any more the Black man's relgion than christianity. when for the larger part your anscestor(im referring to african americans) weren't originally muslim(or christian obviously).

using arguments stemming from the tenets of Islam doesn't necessarily make sense here because anyone from any other practice could argue the same thing.

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65. "I don't think it's possible to demarkate any one religion"
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as the black man's "original" religion. Much of the knowledge dating that far back is lost to time.

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69. "that makes sense to me."
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80. "Not really"
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We know that islam, christianity and Judaism spread from the same part of the middle east into parts of Africe. We also know that pre colonial West african cultures were, for the most part, polytheistic. As far as sci-fi's questions go, we do have answers.

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90. "christianity isn't any less Afrikan than Islam."
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the only thing (from my understanding) that separates the two
is the prophet/messiah thing and their books are different...but the message is the same.

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58. "*walks into post*"
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*buys a bean pie*

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71. "wwdyd?"
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what would dr yakub do?

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78. "lol"
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*sails away to island on cruise ship and raises monkeymen*

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86. "i didn't know where to put this up there b.u.t."
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ATRs are not POLYTHEISTIC.
they are very much monotheistic
they personify the ALL through different representations of that ALL
giving these different representations names.



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97. "You are going to argue this"
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With someone who grew up on the continent and snuck out to hear the stories as a kid? Please, feel free to do so.

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103. "there are no 85ers in Afrika???"
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coulda fooled me.

this is the problem with RELIGION.

and also just a question...how many places in afrika are you from?


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107. "Born in Ghana, lived in Nigeria and Togo for spells"
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Which affects my point how? My knowledge of traditional religions came from talking to and watching practitioners as well as a couple of researchers in the field

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112. "did they say to you that they worshipped several gods?"
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with Religion i can see how over time this could happen.
and i asked because you said "afrika" and i know afrikan people don't like when you generalize like dat so i knew you either had parents from two different places in afrika or you been around afrika.





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116. "Who made the generalization about ATR's?"
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Look at my previous posts. I was very careful to specify which religions I was talking about

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117. "nah you didn't specify where on the continent you grew up"
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that's what i was talking about.


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119. "*looks at name of blog*"
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*blinks*

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120. "oh. in the words of the homie nk "i don't be payin attention to sigs""
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my bad.

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125. "he said he only knew about (insert ghanean ethnies here) though"
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but yeah..
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127. "i did not read every reply FORGIVE ME!!!"
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135. "*hugs*"
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145. "Thats ok"
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I have to rethink the entire polytheism angle based on Chike's article too. You might have been right and I could have been looking at it the wrong way.

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148. ":D"
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each one teach one! peace! keep striving.
i feel like goin to the library now...haven't been in a few weeks.


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111. "one thing that worries me here"
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is how pleased we are by the idea that they may not be THAT polytheistic



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113. "can you rephrase?"
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118. "lemme try:"
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Is it a bad thing if they're polytheistic ?

in the same train of thought:

Is it a bad thing that Xtianity or Islam don't have african origins ?
Is it a bad thing if Africans didn't have much to do with Greece, early Judaism, Ancient Persia or Babylon ?

or:

why are we so happy when we read that ATR were monotheistic ?
why are we happy when we read that Greece/Ethiopia'n'em have influence Ancient Greece ?
Why are we claiming that ?



the issue of it's true of not really don't matter for me.
well except for history reasons, but i'm a history nerd.
And after 2,000 or more years of revisionism, propaganda, conter-revisionism and counter-propaganda, we may as well NEVER know for sure...
But our hearts make us inclined to believe one rather than the other..

why ?
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121. "polytheism and monotheism"
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speak to the mindset/frame of the people under these 'isms.
a monotheist is closer to the truth.

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128. "so it's because it's closer to our current beliefs ?"
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134. "that's not what i said"
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AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

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137. "then you haven't replied"
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but don't you find that question interesting ?

i mean without it even specific about THIS argument (poly/mono)..
in general ?


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155. "oh but i DID"
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158. "what about one that i understand ?"
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162. "lol"
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what i was saying WAS
that black (we're talkin about black people right?)
people's current belief in monotheism is the way it is
because monotheism is closer to what they "know" to be right

does that make sense?


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165. "not only it makes sense but"
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>what i was saying WAS
>that black (we're talkin about black people right?)
>people's current belief in monotheism is the way it is
>because monotheism is closer to what they "know" to be right

i agree..

not only closer only to our current beliefs


but the other idea seem repulsive

it's sad, really.
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132. "RE: polytheism and monotheism"
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aint you dat jafakin ass fake jamaican bitch. then shet the fuck up cuz you already done played yoself too many times. you are so whack and you's a fake ass muslim too. if they say yall aint muslim, then you aint. come up with your own title and stop sprayin all that rhetoric. talkin in yo stupid circular logic based code that don't nobody give a fuck about.

  

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136. "please go to hell and let adults talk"
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144. "RE: please go to hell and let adults talk"
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a-izz-i-a-izzi-can-i-say-huuuuhhhhhh? captain save a ho, put that cape down, cuz i wasn't talking to you, and you know the ho deserves it.

  

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149. "adults discuss things. children cuss at people."
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150. "you seem..."
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mad.

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193. "nooooo..."
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disgusted

  

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198. "yup. ur mad."
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141. "i think a good % of philadelphia's black muslims do"
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or have come from a generational background of islam that initially thought so

but that may have more to do w/ NOI teachings than anything else

however

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151. "RE: Do people assume Islam is a more "African" religion?"
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I've gotten a lot out of this thread.

  

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159. "Me too"
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I'm wondering if the separation of Nyame from Odumankuma(the Alan name for the divine) has to do withsome kind of reaction to christians appropriating Nyame for the Christian God

Then again, that doesn't explain Asase Yaa's position as the mother of the people. I need more info to be sure.

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160. "Yeah, further research is what we need"
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The good thing is, if you come to the conclusion that Akan traditional religion and most other other traditional African religion is monotheistic, you can know that it is not because you had wrong data or a wildly wrong view of things in general that you needed to change your mind.

  

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166. "True"
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we still need a gang of people doing research on all of this. One of my Sister's college profesors was in Ghana for a year doing research on local Ga divinities. It was interesting stuff.

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157. "does polytheism actually exist ?"
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anywhere ?

ancient greece ?
pre-colombian america ?
asia ?
nordic europe ?
celts ?
inuits ?



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161. "according to the article I linked"
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The mark of polytheism is the total independence of the different gods - so a religion in which there is an ultimate Creator upon whom the existence of any other divinities depends (i.e., they are his creation) is monotheistic.

This, of course, could be up for discussion, but it seems like an important point.

  

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164. "hmmmm"
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>The mark of polytheism is the total independence of the
>different gods - so a religion in which there is an ultimate
>Creator upon whom the existence of any other divinities
>depends (i.e., they are his creation) is monotheistic.

those are 2 different thing.

-his creation
-other divinities' existence depends on him

like one can be the creator AND THEN the other divinities could still be independant (ain't that the case in Ancient Greece for instance ?).

this is interesting


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167. "You are perceptive"
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>>The mark of polytheism is the total independence of the
>>different gods - so a religion in which there is an ultimate
>>Creator upon whom the existence of any other divinities
>>depends (i.e., they are his creation) is monotheistic.
>
>those are 2 different thing.
>
>-his creation
>-other divinities' existence depends on him
>
>like one can be the creator AND THEN the other divinities
>could still be independant (ain't that the case in Ancient
>Greece for instance ?).

What I meant by ULTIMATE Creator is that any other divinites would be created by this Creator. Can we describe Greek polytheism this way?

  

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168. "ahahaha"
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well no..

the creator created and moved on (didn't he got killed, even ?)

and Divinity status was transmitted by filiation..

so i guess Greece is totally polytheistic in that regard.

still, it's interesting to see how subtle ATRs can be in regard to the poly/monotheistic issue AND in general too..

i frigging luh that

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169. "Yo..."
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>What I meant by ULTIMATE Creator is that any other divinites
>would be created by this Creator. Can we describe Greek
>polytheism this way?

I don't think so. In Greek mythology the universe was not created, it already existed, and I think for a true monotheistic religion, the Creator would have to predate all Creation. Instead their myth starts after the Universe already exists.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/greek_creation_myths.html

In the beginning, Chaos, an amorphous, gaping void encompassing the entire universe, and surrounded by an unending stream of water ruled by the god Oceanus, was the domain of a goddess named Eurynome, which means "far-ruling" or "wide-wandering".

She was the Goddess of All Things, and desired to make order out of the Chaos. By coupling with a huge and powerful snake, Ophion, or as some legends say, coupling with the North Wind, she gave birth to Eros, god of Love, also known as Protagonus, the "firstborn".

Eurynome separated the sky from the sea by dancing on the waves of Oceanus. In this manner, she created great lands upon which she might wander, a veritable universe, populating it with exotic creatures such as Nymphs, Furies, and Charites as well as with countless beasts and monsters.

Also born out of Chaos were Gaia, called Earth, or Mother Earth, and Uranus, the embodiment of the Sky and the Heavens, as well as Tartarus, god of the sunless and terrible region beneath Gaia, the Earth.

Gaia and Uranus married and gave birth to the Titans, a race of formidable giants, which included a particularly wily giant named Cronus.



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170. "thanks"
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172. "RE: Yo..."
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>I don't think so. In Greek mythology the universe was not
>created, it already existed, and I think for a true
>monotheistic religion, the Creator would have to predate all
>Creation.

Or at least have no beginning. I add this because I don't think most traditional religions believe in "ex nihilo" (out of nothing) creation the way the Abrahamic faiths do... but that's just a small addendum.

  

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171. "In ancient Greece there are the Titans, then the gods..."
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Kronos is the "main" Titan or ruler, he ate his offspring(Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Hera) becuz they were prophesied to overthrow him, they did; I think Zeus opened up his belly with a lightning bolt and became "ruler" of the "gods". Kronos could be considered the beginning as in chronos=time, but becuz there are different gods and each one played their part in nature, so it is still polytheistic.

Egyptian gods didn't really have a distinct hierarchy Re/Ra was the sun god, but different myths show him as being the "creator", but some just show him as the creator of the sun. U could see as, there would be no life without the sun.

In Norse mythology, Odin is seen as the father of the gods, but again, it's still polytheistic becuz other gods exist. I think monotheism is just one god and only one god, not different gods of varying importance.



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163. "i was finna ask dat"
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173. "Islam observes Africans as key players in its creation more open"
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175. "For me, I always keep in mind that it's from current day Saudi"
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176. "great post"
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lots of discussion that makes me wanna read more.

  

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177. "The way I see it"
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Some people's arguments are based on faith/theology. not facts. For knowing Islam, I understand where their perspective comes from.

The truth is while muslims believe the Qu'ran is the word of God Africans who still practice traditional religions can also claim to know their stuff from God.

this becomes my faith vs your faith. So it's really pointless to discuss this issue with such a perspective.

Historically Islam is NOT the religion of the original black man (where does this expression come from anyway?). Go to any predominantly muslim country in Africa and you'll see that old beliefs are still there.

And because Many Africans are properly confused about religion anyway, they have absolutely no problem practicing their original religion along with imported religions. Islam is no exception.

In another post I explained why I think many Africans are confused. If you really think Islam was their original religion they wouldn't be so confused.

anyway this post has been informative. Because adopting a religion is something I've been struggling with for a little while, I had to think about all this stuff. And I am about to give up trying.

life needs to be simple.

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178. "couldnt agree more."
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180. "^^listen to this woman"
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182. "ISLAM:"
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arab religion

afrikan/original way of life

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184. "Islam is not only Peace"
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From what I read above, you seem to insist that islam = Peace. I agree that it is the case, but islam is many other things as well.

A random tribe from Amazonia's lifestyle might be built on the peace ideal of Islam as well. Peace is not an Afrikan monopoly.

There are islamic rulings which challenge some basic African traditions. For expample matrilinear societies. And this is not something small. And there are many other examples I could give you.

I agree that certain elements from the Islamic way of life make sense for many africans. But not all Islam or all Christianity for that matter.




>arab religion
>
>afrikan/original way of life
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>http://bkbrickhouse.blogspot.com
>last updated 051505
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185. "TRUE INDEED"
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hence why afrikan is coupled wit ORIGINAL.
also i push NO religion.
i'm for righteousness (right and just-ness)
you don't need religion for peace.


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187. "now you've really lost me"
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>hence why afrikan is coupled wit ORIGINAL.

im not sure ... what does original change

>also i push NO religion.
>i'm for righteousness (right and just-ness)
>you don't need religion for peace.

I can agree with this

  

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188. "original people = afrikans, asians, native americans,"
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aborigines, polynesian, eskimos, you know.....

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189. "oh ok"
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but I still respectfully disagree with what was said above

  

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190. "with which part?"
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the reply directly above yours?

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179. "Prolly due to it's "Un-Euroness"."
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If that makes any sense...

  

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183. "This post proves that all religions are equally batty"
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I worship the Stay Puff Marshmallow man!

He is the original man, its written in ancient egyptian hieroglyphics that 'He, who is, is fluffy'.

I also believe in the five fundemental pieces of DUMMY, as thought to me by my shaman/priest/home slice from down the block

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Unique
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Ya-way(notice the spelling, this is how the original man spells he who is unspellables name, without infringing on he who is unspellable so we must mispel.

  

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186. "It dont really make that much difference..."
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...whether one is more "african" than another. Its "african" right now. It is part of "Africa" and its peoples. Islam has been there for a minute. The colonial european christianity has been there for a long time now too. Those are the facts on the ground.

Also define "african." Youre saying that a Zulu person has something to do with a Yoruba person or a Darfurian? These different ethnic groups have lived thousands of miles away from each other and all of a sudden they have similarities and can be grouped generically as "african"? Somalians probably have more cultural similarities to Arabs than they do with Zulus, why are they grouped in the same group? Because of the THEORY of Bantu migrations?

Im considered South asian but I wouldnt know a damn thing about some tamils or some gujuratis or nothing. But somehow me and the tamil and the guju is all the same?

If someone can clear it up for me it would be good.

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194. "Assume"
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yeah lotta people do assume that. the link between slavery and chiristians is real fresh i people's minds, whereas the one between muslims and slavery isnt as well known.

basically people covered all the basic points above.


BUT to address the bigger question...depending on one's understanding, islam is not an arab religion, or a religion at all. and it is not 1400 years old.

the deeper significance and understanding of islam is that it is 'way of life' or 'submission' to God. and it has been the 'way' of man since 'Adam' and has been been from time to time revealed to people of ALL nations from time to time. certainly africans were receiving islam before arabs.

esoterically this is further extended to all 'creation'...the planets are 'submitting' to the 'way' designed for them, molecules are submitting to the way designed for them, and so are animals...

"Islam" as it gets recognised today is only the LAST manifestation of it but it is, as the Quran says "a confirmation of what has been since before"....

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195. "Re: On polytheism"
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...in some parts of W.A still very much popular. It will explain the various gods of..and their functions, rites, sacrifices etc.

I think the monotheistic idea pretty much stemmed from the influence of Christianity and hence people began changing names around..but its a guess not theory.

However, I know in my culture (at least how my parents explained it to me) prior to Christianity they believed in 'Osanobua' who is the greatest of the gods in the sky and underneath him are all the other gods...

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196. "Do people assume Islam is a more &quot;African&quot; religion?"
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Not really. Many people see it as an Arab religion, even though one of the first believers (Bilal, the first caller to prayer) was an African, and Prophet Muhammad's (saw) mother was from Africa (maybe northern) (which is why his natioanlity is never really discussused along with the fact that no pictures of him being drawn.) Islam did spread to Africa and it came to America with many of the enslaved africans. However, many were forced to forget their religions, whether it be islam or a traditional african religion and were forced to practice Chrisitianity. What you may be thinking about is the Nation of Islam. While there were muslims in America prior to the Nation of Islam, the changed their names from Muhammad to "Mo" and tried to fit in and seem like normal Americans. However, when the Nation of Islam hit and you had a bunch of black folks saying that they are muslims and the black man was god and so forth, then many other nationalities started coming to the forefront. So while Islam may not be seen as an "african" religion, it was the African Americans through the rise of the Nation that introduced America to Islam. Many of the members of the Nation made their transition to orthodox Islam in 1975 when Imam W.Deen Muhammad became the leader of the Nation of Islam and led many to orthodox Islam.

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201. "^ are we done? should this be archived?"
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203. "RE: ^ are we done? should this be archived?"
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