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MALACHI
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"Do you consider drug dealers 'sell-outs' to the race?"


  

          

Explain your answer.

PEACE

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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lol
Feb 09th 2005
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This is a purely cynical, cop-out answer...
Feb 09th 2005
98
naw, everybody gotta get by
Feb 09th 2005
2
?
Feb 09th 2005
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yes
Feb 09th 2005
4
look at the reality of it though
Feb 09th 2005
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it's funny that this issue is about FINANCE though! seriously
Feb 09th 2005
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you're the only one discussing community
Feb 09th 2005
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      so why complain about white people then?
Feb 09th 2005
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           very well played.
Feb 09th 2005
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           you'll have to play that angle somewhere else
Feb 09th 2005
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                but you DO complain
Feb 09th 2005
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                list of things i complain about
Feb 09th 2005
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                what they're doing to us doesn't faze you anymore.
Feb 09th 2005
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                you're right.
Feb 09th 2005
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                Cats ain't selling drugs 'cause they feel 'hopeless',
Feb 09th 2005
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                     quick loot and feeling like there's a lack of alternatives
Feb 10th 2005
137
*shakes head*
Feb 09th 2005
42
so we'll still have the loss of human life/spirit
Feb 09th 2005
48
      calm DOWN. u know ur preaching to the choir
Feb 09th 2005
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           you support it.
Feb 09th 2005
71
                huh?
Feb 09th 2005
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                     that whole "with any regularity" shit won't matter in court.
Feb 09th 2005
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                          no shit, sherman
Feb 09th 2005
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                               my motivation IS love.
Feb 09th 2005
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                                    again, you're *just* missing the point
Feb 10th 2005
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So with THIS being the case:
Feb 09th 2005
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Excellent points...
Feb 09th 2005
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absolutely.
Feb 09th 2005
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that's basically what i was trying to say
Feb 09th 2005
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one thing you have to consider when asking this on okp
Feb 09th 2005
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what if they only sell to yt?
Feb 09th 2005
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there is a HUGE market for kiddie porn
Feb 09th 2005
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      there are also DIRECT victims to the activities you're listing
Feb 09th 2005
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      like people CHOOSE to commit illegal actions right?
Feb 09th 2005
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           in most cases
Feb 09th 2005
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                i mean the inevitable use the community's CHILDREN
Feb 09th 2005
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                     there is no "recruitment"
Feb 09th 2005
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                          people are social creatures
Feb 09th 2005
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                               you're asking sacrifices
Feb 09th 2005
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                                    every being in the universe knows right from wrong.
Feb 09th 2005
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                                         honey, you're thinking this through
Feb 09th 2005
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                                              you should look for or find examples...
Feb 09th 2005
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                                                   again, i don't disagree with you
Feb 10th 2005
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      if there was a "HUGE market for kiddie porn" in the hood
Feb 09th 2005
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           black people HAVE retained some sense
Feb 09th 2005
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nope they consider military people sell outs instead
Feb 09th 2005
10
That is a whole different conversation...
Feb 09th 2005
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not at all
Feb 09th 2005
11
Dumbest comment yet...
Feb 09th 2005
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i mean okay.....
Feb 09th 2005
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      I was trying to see what OTHERS think, not trying to
Feb 09th 2005
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What do you consider a sell out then?
Feb 09th 2005
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RE: Do you consider drug dealers 'sell-outs' to the race?
Feb 09th 2005
13
With all due respect to your family,
Feb 09th 2005
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but they had to SURVIVE!
Feb 09th 2005
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RE: With all due respect to your family,
Feb 09th 2005
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Why'd he have so many kids
Feb 09th 2005
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      RE: Why'd he have so many kids
Feb 10th 2005
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           Well that answers my question
Feb 10th 2005
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                RE: Well that answers my question
Feb 10th 2005
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                     Oh I'm not excusing the drug dealing thing
Feb 10th 2005
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naahhh....i'm slangin dem roooockks biooothch...
Feb 09th 2005
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Okay comedian...
Feb 09th 2005
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RE: naahhh....seriously
Feb 09th 2005
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      Jay Z later said he said his mother as a metaphor for
Feb 09th 2005
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           i know thats why i said literal or not he sold to someones
Feb 09th 2005
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you mean crack or weed?
Feb 09th 2005
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I know I'm gonna step on a bunch of toes, BUT
Feb 09th 2005
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Yall cats that are saying "no"...
Feb 09th 2005
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im sorry but i gotta say it
Feb 09th 2005
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.
Feb 09th 2005
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hold on...blk ppl are dying from smoking weed?
Feb 09th 2005
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only if they use all the money they get
Feb 09th 2005
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When you say "drugs" what do you mean.
Feb 09th 2005
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yes, i do.
Feb 09th 2005
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green is one thing
Feb 09th 2005
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the fuck ever weedhead
Feb 09th 2005
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      first of all, i'm no one's weedhead
Feb 09th 2005
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           but that's not reality.
Feb 09th 2005
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           i was just stating another point of view.
Feb 09th 2005
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                do it up like rockefeller???
Feb 09th 2005
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                     like i said, with the system vs. working outside it.
Feb 09th 2005
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                          there are shining examples of success...
Feb 09th 2005
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                               ha ha ha
Feb 09th 2005
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           Lex, you my girl and all
Feb 09th 2005
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                imagine the benefit to the status quo
Feb 09th 2005
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                but hold on
Feb 09th 2005
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                i agree about the revolt against injustice
Feb 09th 2005
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                i'm somewhere between
Feb 09th 2005
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                i'm saying we should treat addiction as a health problem
Feb 09th 2005
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                there are a lot of legal drug addicts, too.
Feb 10th 2005
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It seems that people have a fucked up
Feb 09th 2005
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i see them as quintessential americans. valuing $$$
Feb 09th 2005
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that's why it's fuuny that they complain about white people
Feb 09th 2005
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      again i ask you
Feb 09th 2005
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"legalize it, and *i'll* advertise it"
Feb 09th 2005
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I agree w/ Uta...
Feb 09th 2005
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I'm cracking up at how folks are like...
Feb 09th 2005
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Anybody can justify the things they do
Feb 09th 2005
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supply & demand
Feb 09th 2005
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Hell yes
Feb 09th 2005
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Thank you...I'm glad there is somebody besides
Feb 09th 2005
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      Wait now
Feb 10th 2005
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           Of course not sister, having an opinion
Feb 10th 2005
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maybe, but i hold SHELBY STEELE in lower regard
Feb 09th 2005
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i agree with this
Feb 09th 2005
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Bullshit
Feb 09th 2005
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      Word up...my mother is the oldest of 11 kids her
Feb 09th 2005
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Feb 10th 2005
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           thank u for bringing that up
Feb 10th 2005
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I don't agree with this:
Feb 09th 2005
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      different strokes
Feb 10th 2005
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This post is racist
Feb 09th 2005
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No because people never realized how nasty
Feb 09th 2005
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RE: No because people never realized how nasty
Feb 09th 2005
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      I guess you can say sellout
Feb 09th 2005
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whats a "sell out"?
Feb 09th 2005
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sell outs -no, heroes, no...
Feb 09th 2005
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we must be talking about capitalistic drug-dealin...
Feb 09th 2005
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RE: Do you consider drug dealers 'sell-outs' to the race?
Feb 09th 2005
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100 posts
Feb 09th 2005
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anyone who provides a means to destruction... for personal gain
Feb 09th 2005
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Isn't that capitalism and the amerikkkan way?
Feb 09th 2005
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*shrugs* im only responsible for my own morality...
Feb 09th 2005
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Now this is the truth...PEACE
Feb 09th 2005
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BTW, the "NO USERS NO DEALERS" argument is bullcrap...
Feb 09th 2005
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cosign.
Feb 09th 2005
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this is bullshit
Feb 10th 2005
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only the 1s who won't give me the friend discount.
Feb 09th 2005
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Morph kinda touched on it... but
Feb 09th 2005
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If someone TRULY HATES what they are doing,
Feb 09th 2005
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      Brother read my post again plz n/m
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I thought...
Feb 09th 2005
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DING DING DING!!!
Feb 09th 2005
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In the purest sense of the words, YES
Feb 09th 2005
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and most wouldn't DARE step up and reply here either.
Feb 09th 2005
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seriously tho I never understood they say they sell to get by
Feb 09th 2005
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inbox
Feb 09th 2005
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if ur gonna get d. dealers u gotta get likka store owners too
Feb 09th 2005
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Both of those situations have to go.
Feb 09th 2005
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yeh cuz Islam is the original religion of the black man
Feb 10th 2005
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most of "them" ain't "us" tho
Feb 10th 2005
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2 things
Feb 09th 2005
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What is your basis for #2?
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autonomy
Feb 10th 2005
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      I'll be 100% honest...I really don't care if drugs
Feb 10th 2005
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cosign
Feb 10th 2005
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PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES STAND UP!!!!
Feb 10th 2005
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no.
Feb 09th 2005
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You really can't say no to this.
Feb 09th 2005
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I feel the same way about Drug Dealers as I do about Liquor Store Owners
Feb 09th 2005
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holla at that exodushustler
Feb 09th 2005
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WAAAY too many of y'all are focusing on the plight of
Feb 10th 2005
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And there it is.
Feb 10th 2005
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conversation over...there is no argument after that
Feb 10th 2005
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      Did you expect any less?
Feb 10th 2005
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how am i being sold out?
Feb 10th 2005
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So you mean to tell me that you live in an
Feb 10th 2005
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      everything you said in reply 145
Feb 10th 2005
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           Does what I said in reply #145 happen or not?
Feb 10th 2005
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The irony here is
Feb 10th 2005
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DING DING DING!!! We have another winner!!!
Feb 10th 2005
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not that the 2 are related....
Feb 10th 2005
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      So based on that tricknowledgey:
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           i mean
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           And I keep saying that a bang of these
Feb 10th 2005
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           RE: So based on that tricknowledgey:
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Another View
Feb 10th 2005
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I concur...
Feb 10th 2005
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As do I
Feb 10th 2005
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well put
Feb 10th 2005
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The real blip in this post is that some of your motherfucks..
Feb 11th 2005
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What exactly does this comment mean?
Feb 11th 2005
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Before I answer, you tell me:
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Read #145...
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      Okay.
Feb 11th 2005
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.
Mar 09th 2005
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Binlahab
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1. "lol"
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no.

they dont force anyone to cop from em

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on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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MALACHI
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98. "This is a purely cynical, cop-out answer..."
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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2. "naw, everybody gotta get by"
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if there weren't users there wouldn't be sellers.

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3. "?"
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peace
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4. "yes"
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contributing to a net "negative" health for the community you're a part of is not honorable. i can remember a time when people of OUR community (and by that i mean afrikan/black people) would choose even death than participation in activities they knew were defeatist for themselves.

then again this WHOLE conversation (for me) implies an allegiance TO your community...of which i don't think allota people on here agree with or engage in.

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17. "look at the reality of it though"
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shitty living conditions lead to bad decision making

black people feeling pain in the hood use drugs to escape

we didn't find drugs in a scavenger hunt, they were brought here

drug dealers are far from the cause of the problem, they just enable it to continue. But really if you're struggling to make a buck with a lack of quality education it's hard to turn down quick money, no matter the risks or who may get hurt

  

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Utamaroho
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24. "it's funny that this issue is about FINANCE though! seriously"
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it is absolutely INSANE to think acommunity can flourish by bettering itself through the construct of finance.

if this is supposedly HELPING those individuals (and by progression the community) then why ISN'T it.

i swear, people on this board accept ANYTHING as long as it's "trying to make a difference". no matter whether o not it's actually WORKING. no. let's just identify with ideas and concepts that are familiar to us (poverty) and put honorable actions on the back burner. the very reason ideas like honor and accountability are so highly prized is that it takes a LOT more to achieve than simply making a buck.

but i undersatnd. sacrifices needed to improve black communities are so high that few will heed the call. hell, something as simple as "telling the truth" comes under scrutiny because people are USED TO and conditioned to support a reality of lies in their lives, so whatta ya gonna do?

the overall question to answer is that: if dealing is for the benefit of survival in a construct centered around financial success and benefit...then why HASN'T it or IS it working for the COMMUNITY?????

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35. "you're the only one discussing community"
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it completely fucks the community up but like the kid said about Snot Boogie, this is America.

i understand someone with their back against the wall doing what they have to do. in turn i wish the best for me & mine and those surrounded by the environment

  

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41. "so why complain about white people then?"
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in their ever needing expansion of the world, why complain about THEIR actions? they're just "doin' what they gotta do" too.

Red, Black, Green

  

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49. "very well played."
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And I agree w/ what you said above.

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55. "you'll have to play that angle somewhere else"
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im well aware of the system, how it's enslaved us mentally and i dont complain because i've been fortunate enough to live in a decent house (in a shitty neighborhood), i have a 40 hour work week, and im working towards more.

i dont complain about white people, america is what it is whether i like it or not.

i do have the right to not like it, just like i don't like drug dealing going on. to label them sellouts though is undermining their sense of hopelessness.

  

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Utamaroho
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57. "but you DO complain"
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most of the issues we have with the status quo here are MORAL contentions. people complain about the CIA duming drugs on us cuz it's insane! it's wrong! but for THEM it is an effective strategy for their purposes and aims.

black people wanna complain against the values and morals of the oppressor, but when similar actions are engaged by US, we see the value and understand it. funny thing is...when THEY carry out their aims, they're successful (i.e. crippling our communities) but when WE engage in similar activities on a smaller scale, we wind up RE-DEFEATING ourselves and benefiting them a SECOND time by profiting them in the prison system or dying and killing each other off.

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63. "list of things i complain about"
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girlymouth okayplayers on my dick
women and their funny ways
not getting enough sleep

etc.


i've been dealing/coming to grips with how this (white) world operates for so long that it doesn't faze me anymore. drug dealing is a fucked up part of reality that it's too late to change

  

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Utamaroho
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68. "what they're doing to us doesn't faze you anymore."
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noted.

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88. "you're right."
In response to Reply # 57


  

          

>black people wanna complain against the values and morals of
>the oppressor, but when similar actions are engaged by US,
>we see the value and understand it. funny thing is...when
>THEY carry out their aims, they're successful (i.e.
>crippling our communities) but when WE engage in similar
>activities on a smaller scale, we wind up RE-DEFEATING
>ourselves and benefiting them a SECOND time by profiting
>them in the prison system or dying and killing each other
>off.

my question to you is: how do we begin to change this mentality?

we live in this society, and for many of us, it's all we know.

it is *extremely* difficult to separate your mentality from the one of the mainstream culture around you, even if it's pathological (how do you know it's wrong when it's all you know).

unfortunately, that mentality has been the one that's enslaved/hated us. but it's the mainstream.

e.g., all i speak is english. i can read some french & understand a smattering of spanish. and i had a "good" education.

so what do we do about it? how do we reach people? what options do we give these kids on the corner?

i have some ideas, but i'm sayin....

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MALACHI
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129. "Cats ain't selling drugs 'cause they feel 'hopeless',"
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they are doing it to make fast loot.

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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137. "quick loot and feeling like there's a lack of alternatives"
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42. "*shakes head*"
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>shitty living conditions lead to bad decision making

true

>black people feeling pain in the hood use drugs to escape

true again

>we didn't find drugs in a scavenger hunt, they were brought
>here

indeed.

>drug dealers are far from the cause of the problem, they
>just enable it to continue. But really if you're struggling
>to make a buck with a lack of quality education it's hard to
>turn down quick money, no matter the risks or who may get
>hurt

well, just to take one example, how about getting parents more involved in making sure their kids' education is quality?

building community centers where they can become educated enough to help their kids with homework?

getting more affordable housing & childcare options so they're not burdened with having 2-3 jobs to make ends meet?

...and if i saw more drug dealers investing in mutual funds and/or the stock market, building legitimate (and successful) "fronts"--like the mob, or maybe saving their money to go to college (basically: pimping the game like white folks), i might think otherwise. but they're just getting, spending, and going to jail.

that's not doing shit for anybody.


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48. "so we'll still have the loss of human life/spirit"
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due to addiction...all for profit?

and this whole "invest in mutual funds" bullshit?!?!? WTF

the whole SLAVE trade was an economic venture. money was invested, profit made, but a whole people lost to themselves.

while you're trying to make some economic improvement point, you COULD think of non-expolitative means to ARREST the problem vs. put a bandaid on what has shown historically to be a detriment to EVERY community it's been introduced to.


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64. "calm DOWN. u know ur preaching to the choir"
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i wasn't justifying by any means.

i'm just saying that IF that were the case, then we could say, "all right. we got a start. now how can we phase this out of the equation, make this money legit & rebuild?"

then again, would drug addiction even BE as big a problem if communities/families were in good enough shape to even HAVE that kind of mentality?? probably not.

either way, 400 years doesn't disappear in 140. and that's being generous. if we count jim crow, we've really only been out of the hole about 40 years.

this is all part of a vicious cycle in a sick society. there are no easy solutions.

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71. "you support it."
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you'll protest companies that provide diamonds KNOWING of the impact on the people and communities mining them...

but participate, or rather DON'T PROTEST, when it comes to actions which inevitably hurt the people selling. as someone with the knowledge and consciousness of the ramifications for those UNAWARE members of the community and those who "just don't know any better' or even "those who don't CARE about the community"... you'll still avoid a responsibilty to avoid fueling their actions.

not that only YOU stopping will even make a difference, but it's funny that you'll NOT participate in the supply/demand relationship of the diamond trade, but participate in a similarly detrimental relationship where the people you engage in are endagering themselves to supply people like you.

and you wanna complain about the DeBeers.

get the fuck outta here.

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76. "huh?"
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>you'll protest companies that provide diamonds KNOWING of
>the impact on the people and communities mining them...
>
>but participate, or rather DON'T PROTEST, when it comes to
>actions which inevitably hurt the people selling. as someone
>with the knowledge and consciousness of the ramifications
>for those UNAWARE members of the community and those who
>"just don't know any better' or even "those who don't CARE
>about the community"... you'll still avoid a responsibilty
>to avoid fueling their actions.

what are you talking about?

have i *tried* weed, yes. i can count the times on one hand.
have i ever *bought* it? no. not so much as a nickel.


>not that only YOU stopping will even make a difference, but
>it's funny that you'll NOT participate in the supply/demand
>relationship of the diamond trade, but participate in a
>similarly detrimental relationship where the people you
>engage in are endagering themselves to supply people like
>you.
>
>and you wanna complain about the DeBeers.
>
>get the fuck outta here.
>
>"when actions speak, words are useless." -Akan proverb

i understand where you're coming from, but you're jumping down my throat for something i don't do or even plan to do with any regularity.

if your jibes are coming at me from that standpoint, we can just stop talking right now.


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82. "that whole "with any regularity" shit won't matter in court."
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you get caught breaking the law (not necessairly weed) one time in the right time and right place, and you're gone. period.

and that nigga bin down there saying he KNOWS of the risk, and accepts it, while he has a CHILD?!?!?! i know young people feel invicible, think that it won't happen to THEM...but when you look at cases where gettin knocked up over bullshit happens...and the sheer frequency that it DOES happen, and you start understanding why it's just not intelligent. to risk the future of our communities on gettin' high.

it don't matter how much you DON'T do it...get cauht that one time and try explaining to your familiy, community, or son why you couldn't be there because you chose that risk. over weed?!?!

the fuck outta here.

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85. "no shit, sherman"
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i could also get locked away for 20 yrs for getting arrested at the wrong protest rally. 'specially w/ these fuckers in office.

i understand what you're saying. and i think that somewhere in there is a motivation of love. so i appreciate it.

but, for me personally, it's not. that. deep. never will be.

believe me, there are ppl in my circle who i worry about *because* they are willing to indulge so freely/frequently.

however, i will not apologize for deeming the illegality of marijuana bullshit. i'm w/ jon on that one.

are there bigger/better things to fight for? fuck yeah. i'm not joining norml anytime soon. that's not my fight.

but the POST is about drugs. lol.

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120. "my motivation IS love."
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jsut love for those in the black community willing to DO waht it takes and make the sacrifices to help the community.

not to these new-age, modern negroes who can excuse damn near EVERYTHING in their pursuit of intellectual liberalism to hide from taking a stance or moving towards those HARD choices.

hell...these niggas can't even beat DIABETES! which for teh majority of those having it, and the younger and younger fat fuck niggaz being diagnosed, IS FUCKING PREVENTABLE! solutions and options already here.

while you're trying to study and look at teh problem more and more, i'm engaging in solutions that ALREADY work. when you find out why this modern diabetes band-aid treatment isn't working come talk to me...cuz i think you'll find the reasons built around VALUES the people have and not the lack of options or external problems that people dream up.

man up.

now.

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141. "again, you're *just* missing the point"
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>jsut love for those in the black community willing to DO
>waht it takes and make the sacrifices to help the community.
>
>not to these new-age, modern negroes who can excuse damn
>near EVERYTHING in their pursuit of intellectual liberalism
>to hide from taking a stance or moving towards those HARD
>choices.

ok. i can understand that.

>hell...these niggas can't even beat DIABETES! which for teh
>majority of those having it, and the younger and younger fat
>fuck niggaz being diagnosed, IS FUCKING PREVENTABLE!
>solutions and options already here.

yo. i don't know where you grew up, and i was blessed w/ a good deal myself. but i know people who had to grow up going to the free/community clinics where 90% of those people don't give a good gotdamn about you OR your health.

if you don't even have a decent supermarket in your neighborhood...

resources, man. resources. yes, there are people who break the cycles all the time, but that takes time and effort. and it's no use in browbeating people who need a little help doing that.

location's a factor, too. the "hood" in baltimore ain't the "hood" in boston.

that's all i'm saying.


>while you're trying to study and look at teh problem more
>and more, i'm engaging in solutions that ALREADY work. when
>you find out why this modern diabetes band-aid treatment
>isn't working come talk to me...cuz i think you'll find the
>reasons built around VALUES the people have and not the lack
>of options or external problems that people dream up.
>
>man up.
>
>now.

again (and these ?s are rhetorical...you can inbox me or somethin, we don't have to hash it out here):

what are these values?
what are these solutions? do they apply to anyone but you and/or likeminded folks?
where are people supposed to get these values? out of thin air?
where are the examples?

e.g., i don't dig christianity, but if these preachers can get these kids off the streets, DO IT. they can deal w/ their crises of faith later.

again, if that's compromise, fuck it. take the first steps now. fill in the details once you're out of danger.


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96. "So with THIS being the case:"
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>we didn't find drugs in a scavenger hunt, they were brought
>here
>
>drug dealers are far from the cause of the problem, they
>just enable it to continue. But really if you're struggling
>to make a buck with a lack of quality education it's hard to
>turn down quick money, no matter the risks or who may get
>hurt

When we try to make "a buck" or get "quick money" and we are HURTING OUR OWN PEOPLE, while serving the purposes of THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT THE DRUGS, we are SELLING OUT our own people, and selling our individual and collective souls.

How can these cats NOT be sell-outs? Just because you have it bad, don't have a lot of education, etc., that doesn't mean you HURT other people to "get by". Why further destroy somebody else?

I swear, Black people need to get out of this "crabs in a barrel" syndrome...

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47. "Excellent points..."
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>then again this WHOLE conversation (for me) implies an
>allegiance TO your community...of which i don't think allota
>people on here agree with or engage in.

This is the problem not just with okayplayer, but with African/Black people in America as a whole.

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5. "absolutely."
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i've asked this question on here too many times to count...its one thing to see the effects of drugs on individuals, but to see the way these drugs have torn apart entire families/communities? and then to see the muthafuckas that SELL the shit live life like its a party? these niggas ride around the streets with their spinning rims and expensive clothes fucking all the (younger) hoes gettin' em pregnant. using the money that they've used to literally destroy the community for personal gain? NOT put it BACK in2 the communities?

how are these muthafuckas NOT sellouts!?

  

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89. "that's basically what i was trying to say"
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even if they contributed, they'd still be "selling out".

but there would be a different set of issues.

now, it's just a bad deal all around.




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6. "one thing you have to consider when asking this on okp"
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is that there are PLENTY of drug users here.

so their allegiance would be for those ideas or behaviors that allow them to continue their lifestyle, NOT limit or take away from it.

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7. "what if they only sell to yt?"
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but seriously, it ain't that deep. most cats who pitch see it as their only option to get $$$. to the average youth around the way, college is a pipe dream. they see that shit as unattainable, something only yt ppl can do. and grinding 40 hrs a week at wacarnold's ain't the move either, so they figure, fiends are gon' fiend regardless, somebody is gon' get that dough, why not me?

to me it's more a poverty thing than a race thing.

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8. "there is a HUGE market for kiddie porn"
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kidnapping, murder, etc.

will these activities one day be "up for sale" and "understandable" so that the disenfranchised can make a buck?

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9. "there are also DIRECT victims to the activities you're listing"
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someone doesn't CHOOSE to be murdered, but they CHOOSE to take that blast.

now sure you could come with some secondary, "but the community as a whole is the victim", but no.

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16. "like people CHOOSE to commit illegal actions right?"
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because when looking at the impact of drug INSIDE of a community you not only witness the increase in crime BECAUSE of the supply/demand construct, but that of reinforcement of said activity among the dealers. they HAVE to come from somewhere (i.e. the community) so you not only have illegal and dishonorable action among those who are simply "providing" the problem, but the necessary employment of OTHER members of the community to handle it when they're gone. (i.e. the children that grow up IN that community that have the same lack of options as their predecessors who refused to BUILD those options)

it's not even some kinda "vicious cycle either) it's simple cause and effect. negative actions breed negative actions and patterns.

not to mention the short lifespan OF the dealers themSELVES which feeds into the IMMEDIATE and continual need for more dealers.

you see direct victims in my molestation example. all i see is members of the community dying (landing in prison) at BOTH ends in this drug dealing scenario.

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20. "in most cases"
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the people who choose to sell drugs don't have the luxury of looking at the effects their actions have on The World and The Black Community. It's all about gettin money.

and i dont even know what the hell ur talkin about employment of other people, explain?

i'm takin lunch, but i'm comin back!

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28. "i mean the inevitable use the community's CHILDREN"
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as a resource that fulfills the empty slots.

recruitment has to come from SOMEWHERE. illegal activity feeds in illegal activity. and the people reinforcing said activity are coming from THOSE communities.

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58. "there is no "recruitment""
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it's a "trap", and that's why they call it as such.

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65. "people are social creatures"
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and the environment provides that socialization.

since people don't HAVE to be one way or another by default, it is the environment that influences the options and choices people have and make. if what you're saying is true, then ALL people in these environmetns would engage and there would be NO reason to even pay attention to those that do NOT.

even in the wild, a single animal coming upon a trap can recognize and evade it. MORE IMPORTANTLY, an animal SEN BY THE GROUP to have fallen in a trap get up and LEAVE!!!! the antelopes do NOT stay around the scare watering hole when the crocodile snaps up the unfortunate one close to him. they run! some die in trying to find another watering hole, some make it... but they don't REINFORCE for their young that the KNOWN danger in the original watering hole should be approached.

god damn, this shit aint hard to understand. people, it seems, are simply unwilling to make sacrifices that mean MORE hardship and struggle in efforts to even GET us to that better place.

some of us ARE though. and we're unwilling to accept detrimentall mentalities and excuses from those MARCHING towards their own end.

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69. "you're asking sacrifices"
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of people who, for the most part, don't HAVE anything to sacrifice.

maybe i don't get it.

what YOU'RE trying to say, that is.

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83. "every being in the universe knows right from wrong."
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-Prote, rfom K-PAX

they're sacrificing their intergity. i can't get into this discussion now... but in short...everyone knows when they're lying and how that lack of fusion of thought and deed affects their reality. from wondering and brooding over being caught in the lie, to the affects it can have on relationships with the peopel you lie to. similarly, people understand how hurting others is detrimental to others and how it causes suffering. being that we all know suffering ourselves and how we don't approve of it when imposed by others...it's easily known to be "bad" or "problematic" to hurt others. DESPITE financial gain.

without getting into explaining the progression from individual to community identity and structure i can't exlain this further. maybe one day.

you say they have nothing to sacrifice. i say they're already sacrificing TOO MUCH and know it.

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91. "honey, you're thinking this through"
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5 levels deeper than most people ever would.

you're talking about folks who don't know--or grew up not knowing--where their next meal is coming from. you know just as well as i do that integrity is almost always gonna come second to self-preservation. all the lines get blurred at that point.

the person that *doesn't* apply to, is a rare individual.

i can't even speak on that reality 'cause i've never *had* to go hungry. or watch my mother struggle.

this is what i'm talking about. meeting people where they are. you assume too much.


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113. "you should look for or find examples..."
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of people who had it just as bad...or WORSE (according to htese standards that people keep saying) who took other routes.

it seems to me that your perspective is limited to thinking and dealing with people WITHIN who's actions and histories KEEP them within said system. instead look for people who opted out and what they had to do.

it'll seem VERY foreign. the actions they had to take, but if those actions left them and their communities healthier, then there is NO excuse to continue along the road of "meeting people where they're at" in light of solutions that can be engaged NOW. the reasons people aren't able to actualize them HERE and NOW belongs top the same ideology that got them there in the first place.

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142. "again, i don't disagree with you"
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>of people who had it just as bad...or WORSE (according to
>htese standards that people keep saying) who took other
>routes.

ok.

>it seems to me that your perspective is limited to thinking
>and dealing with people WITHIN who's actions and histories
>KEEP them within said system. instead look for people who
>opted out and what they had to do.

i'm already out 'cause i was never in. i'm not speaking personally here OR excusing behavior. i was just trying to present another view to you.

that said, of course i would tell a group of kids (or whoever) that or something similar. but many of them will look at me like i'm nuts because i never had to live their lives. or see what they've seen.

that is not to say that i can't affect a change or be an example. i'm not defeatist by any means. just realistic.

it does make a difference.


>it'll seem VERY foreign. the actions they had to take, but
>if those actions left them and their communities healthier,
>then there is NO excuse to continue along the road of
>"meeting people where they're at" in light of solutions that
>can be engaged NOW. the reasons people aren't able to
>actualize them HERE and NOW belongs top the same ideology
>that got them there in the first place.

when i say meeting people where they are, i'm just saying getting in the door long enough so they listen to you, get them thinking.

if you alienate them from jump, then you could have a working plan to save the world, but no one's gonna hear you.

you think i'm excusing when i'm just saying that if i haven't walked a mile in your/their shoes, i have to tread very carefully if/when i come in on what can be seen as my high horse.

is that not clear?

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12. "if there was a "HUGE market for kiddie porn" in the hood"
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and $ to be made off of it, you don't think cats would be out there slinging it?

i'm not defending it, just commenting on the psychology behind it. when the only options (in their mind at least) are walking around bummy or dealing, it's not a hard decision we're talking about.

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18. "black people HAVE retained some sense"
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and our family units are the strongest EVER. despite the onslaught against our communities and family units we're STILL resilient enough to see that participation in the more destructive actions like those are TOTALLY unacceptable.

this is why so much interest and focus is on MAINTAINING the family unit with us, because that is where the community starts. we haven't forgot THAT!


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10. "nope they consider military people sell outs instead"
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31. "That is a whole different conversation..."
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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11. "not at all"
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it's not the straight and narrow path but anyone who says they're sellouts is more than likely not from the hood

  

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22. "Dumbest comment yet..."
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40. "i mean okay....."
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but why ask the question if you already had your answer set in your mind?

  

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66. "I was trying to see what OTHERS think, not trying to"
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come to a personal conclusion based on other people's comments. I already KNOW and UNDERSTAND that Black drug dealers are little more than selfish, opportunistic vultures who prey off of their own people.

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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30. "What do you consider a sell out then?"
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At least they're not out there robbing ppl, that's much worse to the community

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13. "RE: Do you consider drug dealers 'sell-outs' to the race?"
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I come from a family of drug dealers and drug abusers. I dont think dealers are sell outs to their race because in my family that wasnt the intention. My pops huslted so we would have a better life. He didnt live extravagant because most of the money went to his 6 kids. My brother hustled to take care of his son and family. It used to be an honest hustle but now people just do it to make money for themselves. I dont condone dealing .

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Navem nu, cuando sol
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26. "With all due respect to your family,"
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there is NOTHING noble about your pops and brother hustling to help their respective families have "a better life". Destroying an untold number of other families to help your own is not anywhere close to being right.

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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32. "but they had to SURVIVE!"
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let's FORGET about living.

i've always said though, when it comes to peoples family...those bonds and ties and allegiances are stronger than ANYTHING, including religion sometimes, cuz people will excuse ANYTHING when it comes to loved ones.

at least here in this culture.

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62. "RE: With all due respect to your family,"
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>there is NOTHING noble about your pops and brother hustling
>to help their respective families have "a better life".
>Destroying an untold number of other families to help your
>own is not anywhere close to being right.

I didnt see the words noble and right in my post. I dont think what my dad and brother and cousins and good friends dealing are doing a noble or right thing. Thats why im in school getting an education because they taught me not to do that. The families you are talking about destroying has nothing to do with me and my family. What my dad,family and friends did aint right..never inched towards that but at the same time it was a matter of survival. My pops always told me dont grow up to be like him. I know My brother(rest in peace) didnt want me to be like him either. I gotta cousin(rest in peace Beebz) and another cousin who chose to live that life. One trying to take care of his family the other one with a baby on the way. "Better Life" aint what people in my family are looking for just surviving life is what is the objective period. I said i dont condone dealing but if you consider my pops a sellout then so be it. I wouldnt be here without a sellout so what can i say

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108. "Why'd he have so many kids"
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Unless he had sextuplets, or your dad was doing well financially and then got layed off or something.

Didn't he realize he was struggling just trying to take care of 3 kids, why'd he keep going?

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134. "RE: Why'd he have so many kids"
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i may look like my dad but aint him...asking the wrong person. He was a sheet metal worker who made pretty decent money and then got laid off when I was born(im the youngest). But i dont know why he had so many kids(glad he did though). Thats not a decison im going to make. He taught me to be responsible based on the bad decisions he has made.

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136. "Well that answers my question"
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IE: He was doing good money wise and then got laid off

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138. "RE: Well that answers my question"
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but even still there aint no excuse for selling drugs. To this day i hate that he did but:

A) i never ever seen him on the block
B) He never talked about it
C) He quit after my brother died and cleaned his act

He hasnt touched anything in about 10 years. He started his own non profit organization and is an NA sponsor(he used his own stuff sometimes). My father is a gift and a curse in my life. Taught me the wrongs and rights of being a man.

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150. "Oh I'm not excusing the drug dealing thing"
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Just wondering why someone who couldn't take care of 2 or 3 kids going on to have 6.

That wasn't the case here

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14. "naahhh....i'm slangin dem roooockks biooothch..."
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"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
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29. "Okay comedian..."
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"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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33. "RE: naahhh....seriously"
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there is no other way to explain it. people who are strung out have no concern for themselves, there families, or surroundings, therefore selling out to a substance. well the providers of this substance are assisting them to do so, and many times (not all) but many times this assistance comes from people who are from the same surroundings, who may know there family, therefore making them sellouts as well.

jay z once said "i hated me and everyone that created crack all it had me thinkin was the newest kicks the latest gat...in more than one way cocaine numbs the brain, all i cared about was how the funds they came" this is after he talks about givin crack to his mother to when she was vulnerable. now whether it was his literal mother or not, he gave it to someones mother, or father, someones son or daughter etc. but the point was that both the slanger and the addict are both addicts, just from different standpoints, but neither have regard for anyone or anthing around them. both are sellouts.

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43. "Jay Z later said he said his mother as a metaphor for"
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everyone's mom, he didn't actually sell his own mom crack.

Although if I were his mom I'd be pretty mad that he had people thinking I was a crackhead

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45. "i know thats why i said literal or not he sold to someones"
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mother, or father

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15. "you mean crack or weed?"
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weed: no (but you can't slang to people under say... 20 or so)
crack: most definitely. they doing the gov'ts job for them.

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86. "I know I'm gonna step on a bunch of toes, BUT"
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I think weed is both counter-productive to Black/African people, and counter-revolutionary as well...

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19. "Yall cats that are saying "no"..."
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"nobody "forces" anybody to buy drugs...", that is a non-factor.
Drug-dealers sell pain and death for profit. They are facilitating a deadly product that has been a detriment to Black people for generations...and ULTIMATELY, the $$$ is going into white hands...how are they not selling their own people out?

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25. "im sorry but i gotta say it"
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Nelly got on national television on his VH1 "driven" series and basically told the world that he sold drugs to keep up with the latest fashions...now for the black community not to be outraged by that is pathetic. especially when we go around spouting that bullshit "dey doin what dey gotta do"..

i grew up in the hood and shit wasnt pretty but muthafuckas weren't starving, kids arent walking around malnurished...yet they sold drugs anyway to impress hoes and stay up with the monthly 100 dollar jordans...there is a documentary on my CITY OF GOD dvd where they talk about how the guys with guns get females BECAUSE of their guns...same shit in our community, women like it and kids look up to dope dealers...


  

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61. "."
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>Nelly got on national television on his VH1 "driven" series
>and basically told the world that he sold drugs to keep up
>with the latest fashions...now for the black community not
>to be outraged by that is pathetic. especially when we go
>around spouting that bullshit "dey doin what dey gotta do"..


I completely agree, what he said was STUPID.


>i grew up in the hood and shit wasnt pretty but muthafuckas
>weren't starving, kids arent walking around
>malnurished...yet they sold drugs anyway to impress hoes and
>stay up with the monthly 100 dollar jordans...there is a
>documentary on my CITY OF GOD dvd where they talk about how
>the guys with guns get females BECAUSE of their guns...same
>shit in our community, women like it and kids look up to
>dope dealers...


you're right. sellin to impress hoes or to ball out is dumb. but to those that don't have a READILY AVAILABLE, IMMEDIATE alternative, it is what it is...

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59. "hold on...blk ppl are dying from smoking weed?"
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*dumps stash into toilet @ work*

the fuck outta here w/ that

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21. "only if they use all the money they get"
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to get new rims on their car. use the money to start a legit business, and i am cool with it.

remember back in the time when the only signs we had was pickets
but now '94 it be this way something come wicked
g-angs killin' others for color
thangs that we wear for fashion
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23. "When you say "drugs" what do you mean."
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Weed?
Illegal prescriptions?
Yea?

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27. "yes, i do."
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34. "green is one thing"
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but heroin? crack?

nah.

i mean, survival is what it is, but we have to start putting mechanisms in place that allow youth to survive without having to kill themselves and each other to do it.

the fact that you can watch ur neighborhood crumble around you in large part because of the poison you're feeding people....

yeah, people have always gotten/will always get high. but the dynamic's changed. greatly. e.g., in my parents' day, it was some 40-50 yr old lady down the street selling, and children were not involved. the community did its thing either way.

in this day & age when we can literally watch death creep up on us and have more resources than ever to understand the reasons why (especially the fact that we KNOW this mess was practically handed to us on a silver platter), we really need to be focusing on getting our shit together. and that's going to take a community effort.

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39. "the fuck ever weedhead"
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when you extract the DRUG and look kat the impact of illegal activity among our OWN and the affects of incarceration that happen everyday taking our potential leaders and members away from us it becomes bigger than a "drug". it becomes a matter of warfare where the status quo, no matter HO MUCH you liked to smoke weed, can send you away and take away options WE have within what's now THEIR game.

getting locked up or having shit on your record for WEED?!?!?! how sad is that for our ancestors to look at now who chose action TOWARDS upliftment and were persecuted for it. it's fuckin pitiful that the "risk" of dealing/using weed/drugs has become the primary way we interact with the system. take risks for REAL prizes.

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46. "first of all, i'm no one's weedhead"
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don't make assumptions.

secondly, i only meant that weed never killed anybody. if i had to choose between these kids slinging dope and slinging purple haze, i'd have to choose the latter.

that's all.

that said, i totally agree with your statement. so calm down.

actually, i advocate full and total legalization/regulation. take the criminal element/money out, you eliminate a LOT of problems.


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50. "but that's not reality."
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instead of "participation" as the form of resistance you have to deal with the reality at hand... that people in the community WILL get locked up, options ceased, and benefit only to the system existing now that WANTS this to happen.

it's like GIVING soldiers over to the enemy, weakening your ranks and losing the battle, while screaming and pleading to the other side "LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD FOR US SO WE CAN FIGHT MORE EFFECTIVELY".

with the historical accounts of the people we're dealing with. does that even SEEM intelligent???

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75. "i was just stating another point of view."
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if you want to talk now, right now?

yes. i agree with you. fully. there needs to be something done until there is enough of a paradigm shift to fix the healthcare (mental & physical) system in this nation so folks can get the help they need *long before* turning to addiction.

my only point was that, if they're determined to play the game, the least they can do is learn the rules. i'm not saying it's *right*. i'm just saying that if they wanna do it up, do it like a rockefeller w/ standard oil. do it like a kennedy w/ bootlegging. gain that power so they can't touch you.

now....if you want to go the afrikan route (which, again, you know i'm all for), then it's gonna have to be about reeducation. pimping the "system" a different way. by staying out of all that i described above, by playing by the rules while freeing your mind, body, and spirit.

HOWEVER, that also takes providing examples that are few and far between in america and/or the west, period. not to mention the homes/schools of these children. regardless of race/ethnicity.

while folks like you & i are in the process of preparing ourselves to be those examples, we're also labeled "weirdos", "bohos", and "fools tryin to go back to africa when we got it good here".

u know i'm on ur side. but i'm speaking from the reality of friends who grew up in these environments, what i see around me, my mother's stories from teaching. again, 400 yrs doesn't go away in 40.

i don't know what it is, but there has to be a happy medium.

that's just how i see it.

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80. "do it up like rockefeller???"
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wow. so i guess when you lose long enough, you should just imitate the people and ideas that got you where you are now?!?!

why not just listen to solutions and those who've achieved success?

i think the reason people who AREN'T successfull don't listen to the successful is that in order to achieve they'll have to be broken in a sense. their ideology has to be broken down to the extent to them having to either ACCEPT or DENY a solution. denying it usually means what we see here...people accepting and understanding what's in place in such a way as to be paralyzed by inaction or the presence of success. (as is the case with this discussion. after all, if it's SUPPOSED to help people get better, it would).

for those of us who ARE successful in maintaing a community or reality void of the problems, whether we went through it, or were born into it, certain axioms and ideas exist to KEEP those problems out, preventable measures (like our ancestors laid down AFTER their successes) to keep us healthy.

one of those is not accepting excuses. seeing that action and reality provide better lessons than "theory" or "coping", which is what i see you doing.

you say we're on the same side. i disagree. you know me, I'M uncompromising and have focus on what i think needs to be and happen, basing that perspective off experience and history. trying to HELP or REFINE the western paradigm and those in it is NOT my interest.


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84. "like i said, with the system vs. working outside it."
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>wow. so i guess when you lose long enough, you should just
>imitate the people and ideas that got you where you are
>now?!?!

again, you either work with the system and change it.
or work outside it and change it.

both can be effective. and both, imo, are needed. nothing wrong w/ having house slaves & field slaves...as long as the ones in the house will kill massa just as fast as the ones with the sickle.


>why not just listen to solutions and those who've achieved
>success?
>
>i think the reason people who AREN'T successfull don't
>listen to the successful is that in order to achieve they'll
>have to be broken in a sense. their ideology has to be
>broken down to the extent to them having to either ACCEPT or
>DENY a solution. denying it usually means what we see
>here...people accepting and understanding what's in place in
>such a way as to be paralyzed by inaction or the presence of
>success. (as is the case with this discussion. after all, if
>it's SUPPOSED to help people get better, it would).

i'm not *quite* sure i get your meaning here, and i want to be clear. examples?


>for those of us who ARE successful in maintaing a community
>or reality void of the problems, whether we went through it,
>or were born into it, certain axioms and ideas exist to KEEP
>those problems out, preventable measures (like our ancestors
>laid down AFTER their successes) to keep us healthy.
>
>one of those is not accepting excuses. seeing that action
>and reality provide better lessons than "theory" or
>"coping", which is what i see you doing.

well what, exactly, do you suggest until we can repatriate to the motherland?

'cause you're still living here same as i am. and i'm sorry, but reality is that until, somehow, we can broaden horizons and open minds, some folks aren't gonna be able to see past their corner.

and if we were to leave, where does that leave the folks we're trying--in our different ways--to save/help?

we didn't start thinking this way overnight. at least i didn't. what makes you think others will?


>you say we're on the same side. i disagree. you know me, I'M
>uncompromising and have focus on what i think needs to be
>and happen, basing that perspective off experience and
>history. trying to HELP or REFINE the western paradigm and
>those in it is NOT my interest.

well i do agree with you on that. every time we have a discussion like this, i keep reminding you that, imo, it's *essential* to meet people where they are. you have to make it real. you have to make it relevant.

i know you'd rather just let the "fools" kill themselves off and allow the talented afrikan tenth to move on, but i'd rather educate, offer solutions, compromise a little--in certain, specific areas (not necessarily the topic @ hand, either)-- towards a greater goal.

if that's an "excuse" in your book, fine.

many aren't hopeless. they just need to see another way. but you gotta get your foot in the door first.


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100. "there are shining examples of success..."
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...when dealing with this VERY issue. that said, it's interesting that people would rather "fix this broke ass ship" vs. getting on a new boat alltogether.

the answers are out there. okayplayer, imho, is NOT the place to even have those discussions though. (for what to SOME of us are obvious reasons) but alas... maybe another time.

what i'm dealing with right now in THIS post is the mindset that prevents people from even inquiring or LOOKING for those "better ways". seeing as my interest would really only be children being raised and nurtured in those better and afrikan centered communiteis vs. trying to reform western structures, my main involvement in this post is to observe the progressions of thought that even ALLOW for soem of the ideas stated here to exist so i can help the future reconcile them and/or steer them in a better direction, because that's prolly the ONLY benfit to being around or associating with a dead people/person...learning how NOT to live. like cee-lo said.

helping this system is FAR from possible. saving the future, providing for the getnerations to come with the intellectual, spiritual, and cultural tools needed to keep themselves healthy and intact instead of dying off like these caucazoids is my aim.

you can help the african americans be more american. *shrugs*




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102. "ha ha ha"
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>...when dealing with this VERY issue. that said, it's
>interesting that people would rather "fix this broke ass
>ship" vs. getting on a new boat alltogether.

i have no problem with that. in fact, i embrace it.

but how far off is that "new boat"?? we have to do something to save us NOW. i just worry that the impetus needed to get to that point cannot happen with so many people worried about simply surviving.


>the answers are out there. okayplayer, imho, is NOT the
>place to even have those discussions though. (for what to
>SOME of us are obvious reasons) but alas... maybe another
>time.

i agree.


>what i'm dealing with right now in THIS post is the mindset
>that prevents people from even inquiring or LOOKING for
>those "better ways". seeing as my interest would really only
>be children being raised and nurtured in those better and
>afrikan centered communiteis vs. trying to reform western
>structures, my main involvement in this post is to observe
>the progressions of thought that even ALLOW for soem of the
>ideas stated here to exist so i can help the future
>reconcile them and/or steer them in a better direction,
>because that's prolly the ONLY benfit to being around or
>associating with a dead people/person...learning how NOT to
>live. like cee-lo said.

understood. and agreed upon.


>helping this system is FAR from possible. saving the future,
>providing for the getnerations to come with the
>intellectual, spiritual, and cultural tools needed to keep
>themselves healthy and intact instead of dying off like
>these caucazoids is my aim.

i agree.

this is what i mean. just because we have different approaches doesn't mean we don't have the same goal.


>you can help the african americans be more american.
>*shrugs*

cute.

you know--or should--that my goal is and never has been that. and i fucking hate "african american". ugh.

i'm just saying i'm *accepting*, to a point, of those who choos that path.

it's not the route i feel is most efficient OR even most viable. but it *might* work. maybe. i'm willing to give those "work w/ the system" folks their shot.

but, believe me, i'm closer to you than you think. just because i argue both sides doesn't mean i haven't chosen mine.


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52. "Lex, you my girl and all"
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secondly, I only meant that weed never killed anybody. <--but you need to stop. Drugs is drugs. Whether you feel the green should be legal or not, whether you feel the effects on your body is minor compared to other drugs. Following the lette rof the law, that shit is illegal.




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54. "imagine the benefit to the status quo"
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to have us running around complaing about the illegal nature of weed and how we need to "legalize it", reinforcing the usage and the dealing.... all the while lockin' up every third or fourth brother outta our communities.

from a strategic standpoint, if i were them, i'd LET this rally continue. after all, i'd be 1)in control of the laws on the books
2)the benefactor of one of the most profitable industries available (PRISON)
3)and eliminating the black man and woman from my reality (which seems to be heir purpose when you analyze history)

they know what they're doing.

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67. "but hold on"
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now, I personally feel that that law is bullshit, and i dont recognize its legality

so yes, do i take my freedom in my hands when i go and cop? yes.

but i also feel very strongly abt legalizing

basically, one has to draw the line as to what laws one will or will not follow, because naan blk ass on this site is up there on the Hill passing em

if we just blindly silently followed whatever law some white man passed, hell, you'd have never made it to this country and my ancestors would still be picking cotton against our will somewhere

its ok to break laws if you think those laws are wrong, imo

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74. "i agree about the revolt against injustice"
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but if "weed" is the prize young people are championing for...it's pretty dark for black people these days. i mean, it's WEED! it's not freedom or other worthwhile shit...it's weed.

not to mention that while THIS is in the focus, mad other things are being ignored.

i commend your "courage" to take that risk though. that's at least SOMEWHAT commendable.

somewhat.

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81. "i'm somewhere between"
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you and uta on this.

i think you stated that far more succintly than i could

but again: *i've never copped and don't plan to*

seriously.

i've discovered legal blends. that's good enough for me. lol.

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70. "i'm saying we should treat addiction as a health problem"
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because that's what it is.

when i say legalize/regulate, i mean all of it. combined with specific programs in place to get addicted users off. some ppl have said use the taxes to create treatment centers/programs.

see: what some countries in europe are doing/have done.

most addicts are self-medicating anyway. give them the *proper* treatment for their problems, you've kicked a big part of the addiction.

recreational users can still do their thing, but it would be treated like alcohol or any other altering substance....you can't go driving around high & shit.

that's a LONG way down the road, if ever. but again. it takes the money & the criminality out. those are the biggest issues, imo.

some people are ALWAYS going to get high, be it off white-out or cocaine. but we can alleviate some of these other things.

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170. "there are a lot of legal drug addicts, too."
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the *true* problems are addiction and poverty and all associated ills. it's easy to forget that.

the substances have always--in some form or another--been there. of course some are more harmful than others.

however, their level of legality and/or "harm" has almost always been politically motivated. with the fda's track record lately, you start to wonder how bad the illegal shit really is.

that aside, the weed vs. her'on and crack thing was, in essence, a joke. like others have said, blk folk have too much housecleaning to do to be sitting around getting high and/or getting locked up behind that shit.

so while i maintain that weed never killed anyone, i'd rather us be sober and uplifting ourselves than what we've got going on now.

we can all get good & smoked out after the revolution. *grin*



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36. "It seems that people have a fucked up"
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understanding of what a sellout is.

  

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37. "i see them as quintessential americans. valuing $$$"
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over human life, in all it's manifestations.

they are as american as rj reynolds and general electric and other weapons makers.

i see it as a sellout if they 'know better' and still continue w/ that shit.

and i see them as a symptom of a deeper sickness.


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44. "that's why it's fuuny that they complain about white people"
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when cats internalize the SAME damn mentality and excuses.

but reckoning IS coming. *wink*

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95. "again i ask you"
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>when cats internalize the SAME damn mentality and excuses.

how do they NOT?

we can't give every blk child a copy of "the destruction of blk civilization" until they can all read @ grade level.

feel me?

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38. ""legalize it, and *i'll* advertise it""
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now speaking from an addiction understanding...in order to understand it, we must legalize it.

but what about this entreprenual spirit, THIS VERY AMERICAN THING, what can we isolate from this, and channel in positive ways?

naw, but yall dont hear me tho...

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51. "I agree w/ Uta..."
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even though my pops was a dealer for most of my childhood/teenage life.

it takes a muscle.

  

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53. "I'm cracking up at how folks are like..."
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... "if it's just weed, no.. but if it's crack/heroin/etc... then yes?"

Completely and utterly nonsensical.

  

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56. "Anybody can justify the things they do"
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and I can understand a person being in a position where they felt like they had to do it. Even still, it does nothing to better the community, and those who do it really are no different than the white folks we say are for our demise.

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60. "supply & demand"
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look suave hoe is salty because as a teenager some flashy kid who sold a lil dope got the girl he beat off abt every nite

if ya'll are talking REAL drug dealers, like suppliers, not just Snooks on the corner w/ dime bags

those cats are home owners, business men, they have kids and parents to support

and they supply something thats in demand, thats not selling out thats cashing in

who is a sell out are the bums who'd rather pan handle then get out there and scrape out a life

bah

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72. "Hell yes"
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Instead of Fight for equality or Bust ass for your family

you would sell drugs to your people or anyone elses people just for clout, rep, or to get by. You cant get anymore of a sell out than that.

esp when you know drugs Kill, Hold people back, destroy lifes, creates crack babies, its created and distributed by people who want blacks to die or become stagnant. Thats common knowledge and to ignore that just for personal gain is the definition of the Greatest Sell out.

fuck a Hammer

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97. "Thank you...I'm glad there is somebody besides"
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me and Utamaroho who has some sense...

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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151. "Wait now"
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I actually agree with what you are saying, but what's up with saying that if people don't agree with you that they don't have sense or that they don't make sense?

So everyone that has a differing opinion are just wrong?

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159. "Of course not sister, having an opinion"
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is one thing, flying in the face of hard, irrefutable, concrete facts, logic and reason is another.

PEACE

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73. "maybe, but i hold SHELBY STEELE in lower regard"
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when you BELIEVE your options are limited, you'll do what you have to in order to survive.

i've had conversations with small time drug dealers. they told me they HATED that shit but they felt they didn't have no other way to make real money. they even asked me to hook them up with jobs where i worked. i never was able to - and that fucks with me whenever i think about it.

if people are more reluctant to knock the hustle, its because they understand the circumstances that produce the bad decisions folks make.

i understand why a young kid whos mom is working mad jobs would start slanging to keep food on the table or whatever. that's a wack choice, but i understand it.

shelby'nem? what's their exscuse?

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they arent as judgemental and dont have as many sexual hangups as black folk.

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to do some shit like this, because they know a black woman would be quick
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77. "i agree with this"
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>
>if people are more reluctant to knock the hustle, its
>because they understand the circumstances that produce the
>bad decisions folks make.
>

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112. "Bullshit"
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I come from a southern Family of Cotton picker, literally, who had 8+ kids in one house and parents with elementary education and i have princples nurses, dentist, etc in my Family.

I grew up in the hood, but came out because my Folks BUST THEY ASS just as i have to do.

I know this country is made to keep black people down, but we have always overcome adversity, the only time we didnt is when we shot, or drugged our own allies.

Thats selling drugs/ hustle is a cop out. you can go against the grain or work hard without KILLING your fellow man

--fuck outta here with that

I know too many black folk, on low income who came out fine without sling one fucking rock. Im a product of it.

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125. "Word up...my mother is the oldest of 11 kids her"
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family grew up POOR (my grandparents are from rural Mississippi and neither one of them got past 8th grade) in a little 3 bedroom house...my grandparents in one bedroom, 5 girls in another bedroom, 6 boys in another...and none of them turned to crime to "get by" or make ends meet.


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139. ""
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>>I know too many black folk, on low income who came out fine without sling one fucking rock. Im a product of it.<<

yeah, join the crowd, dawg. most hip hop folks are a generation (AT MOST) out the hood.

the fact that you and me made it out doesn't mean much to me. i still understand why folks do what they do.

and honestly, unless mugs that made it out are also spending quality time trying to help other folks get out, i'm 'looking at you skeptically'© mos<----- when they come with that 'fuck them, i made it out, THEY CAN TOO' line.

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sometimes THEY know whats best for some of US. cause some of US aint
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janus
Is there any wonder why I hang out with mostly white or hispanic folks?
they arent as judgemental and dont have as many sexual hangups as black folk.

suave_bro
u know these muthafuckas are quick to run up on a black woman to ask her
to do some shit like this, because they know a black woman would be quick
to say yes to some shit like this...

MeDiNaStaR
"have you ever been to niggerland?" cuze,i'm wondering if a visa is required.

Juxtarose (you know what i like about white guys?" they don't think having
a house, job and a car and no criminal record means they really have some
thing going on...)

* read up on IDA B. WELLS
******************************************************

What character would you like to see Frank Castle end?

PALMIOTTI: Batman would be fun, 'cause no one ever shoots him in the head. And he's the only flesh-and-bone character.

ENNIS: Probably Batman. You're fucking Robin. I know you're fucking Robin. You can't not be fucking Robin. Child molester.

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144. "thank u for bringing that up"
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>yeah, join the crowd, dawg. most hip hop folks are a
>generation (AT MOST) out the hood.
>
>the fact that you and me made it out doesn't mean much to
>me. i still understand why folks do what they do.
>
>and honestly, unless mugs that made it out are also spending
>quality time trying to help other folks get out, i'm
>'looking at you skeptically'© mos<----- when they come with
>that 'fuck them, i made it out, THEY CAN TOO' line.

my main thing is, i'm not a product of it.

i can offer solutions/examples, but i don't judge, per se.

are they sellouts? yes. however, it's easy for my ass to say that.

and there's also a difference between those who stayed in/near the south and those who migrated & stayed up north as well.

there are so many factors @ play here...drugs is only one of them.

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111. "I don't agree with this:"
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>when you BELIEVE your options are limited, you'll do what
>you have to in order to survive.

Because in a whole lot of cases, it simply isn't true.
My three drug dealing cousins didn't have "limited options". They are all intelligent brothers...as a matter of fact, the youngest has a degree in interior design from the Art Institute of Dallas...they started selling drugs because they saw their pops doing it in Pompano Beach, Florida. He was making FAST money...and he already had a good job, he (and they) got enticed by money, cars and women. I'm not saying that there aren't some who do a little hustling to "get by",(which is still the epitome of self-destructive wackness) but the bottom line is a bunch of these cats are doing it of STRAIGHT UP, SELFISH, "I WANT A BENZ ON SPINNERS, A PLATINUM CHAIN, A HOUSE LIKE THE ONES'S ON MTV CRIBS, AND PLENTY OF HOES" GREED...PERIOD.


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140. "different strokes"
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'intelligence' doesn't equate to anything...certainly not MORE OPPORTUNITY.

similarly, in my experience most folks who go the drug route do so because they don't know or don't believe any other route will provide them with things that they want or need. in their understanding, 'you either slinging crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot.' or, you can work at mcdonalds.

are there more options out there for folks? yes. but it doesn't matter if they haven't seen pop duke work 'a good government job' for thirty years, bring home the bacon, and handle his b.i.

you said yourself, that the cats you know did it because there dad did it. that reinforces MY point, to me. folks do what they know, or what they believe is available to them. who has more impact on a young man than their father (or father figure?)

programs to get cats GED'S or teach vocational skills don't mean A THING if cats don't know they are there, or haven't seen anybody the admire participate in them.

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78. "This post is racist"
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You gotta sell that good shit to all races, not just your own.


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79. "No because people never realized how nasty"
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the drug thing would get or the origins of it. I just hate how people use it as an excuse tell the truth you want your money and you don't give a fuck like the next woman or man it is called capitalism dog eat dog.

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92. "RE: No because people never realized how nasty"
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>the drug thing would get or the origins of it. I just hate
>how people use it as an excuse tell the truth you want your
>money and you don't give a fuck like the next woman or man
>it is called capitalism dog eat dog.

So based on what you just said, wouldn't that make the dealer a sell-out? In the beginning if people know bad the drug trade was going to be(which I highly doubt) that is one thing...but NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS. And yes you are correct, these house negroes want money, they KNOW what they are doing to the community, and they DON'T CARE as long as their pockets are being lined.

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94. "I guess you can say sellout"
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87. "whats a "sell out"?"
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90. "sell outs -no, heroes, no..."
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it's hard, hard because drugs are wrong, BAD okay??? i know that, been knowin that...but i know some dudes {tho there are women, but for the sake of my response i'll just refer to the male dealers} who really *SiGh*

look, u put a fork in hand, a hungry nigga'll eat
we don't live in a utopian society...economically repress'd children are well aware of their position on the societal totem pole...they don't have to be "of age" to know rent's late or see ppl lookin at them cross-eyed when their mothers pay for their groceries w/food stamps/bridge cards...they know that their teachers tend to hurry a lil faster when 3 o'clock comes...they know what in the fuck cops do & don't do

but it's more than money

spiritually/morally...motherfuckers are FUCKED the fuck UP...poverty isn't an excuse but conversely it is a conduit for justified behaviour for ill-gotten gains...& when i said justified, u talkin about survival {utilities/clothin}...u got 16 year olds payin for grannies medication...buyin their sisters' homecomin dresses because u know what??? ppl take pride beyond what america tells them little poor color'd ppl should

i know drugs...the abusers those abused second-handedly by them the sellers the sellers' sellers...i mean, i know drugs & i have greatly loved all of the above...the drug dealers are as much "fam" as the college bound NHS member & tho we try to delineate how we value those of us who make certain good v. bad choices...some of those good v. bad ppl are closer than u think

slangin rock is nobody's fuckin picnic
not when the ants are fuckin bullets

i haven't offer'd much of anything...but i feel deeply

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93. "we must be talking about capitalistic drug-dealin..."
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99. "RE: Do you consider drug dealers 'sell-outs' to the race?"
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i call it selling out because its mostly a cop-out. most aren't even doing much to better themselves and their community. i'll at least give a little nod to those that find a way of going legit.

other jobs might not pay anywhere near as well, but they are still more respectable than dealing. i'm not even gonna dwell on people doin what they need to get by because that is bullshit. true, if there were no users, there would be no dealers, but its still contributing to negativity. kids see that shit and the money people are getting paid and think that is their way out as well.

funny how people will make obvious 'sell outs' of people like cuba gooding jr, and tiger woods for their antics and turn around and justify a dealer's actions.

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101. "100 posts"
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103. "anyone who provides a means to destruction... for personal gain"
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will have to face their demons.. period. there is no integrity in providing detrament to another human being to pad your own pockets, regardless of your situation..

and i speak from personal experience..

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104. "Isn't that capitalism and the amerikkkan way?"
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????????????

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109. "*shrugs* im only responsible for my own morality..."
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107. "Now this is the truth...PEACE"
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105. "BTW, the "NO USERS NO DEALERS" argument is bullcrap..."
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I have cousins that sell that poison...have done it since the early late 80's early 90's...from Florida to Texas. Wherever they go, the marketing strategy is the same...create customers by GIVING the product away at first, and when they come back, you SELL it to them.

So just as easily as you say NO USERS, NO DEALERS, I can go with the flipside...NO DEALERS, NO USERS.

Don't step to me with that "which came first, the chicken or the egg" trash...

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114. "cosign."
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the presence and distribution are the reason it's a problem.

companies create products that the public has no NEED or AWARENESS of..UNTIL it's offered. if they trash the product before release, there is no demand. and peopel go after other shit. period.

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157. "this is bullshit"
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and i'm replying now to remind myself to come back after lunch to tell you why.

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106. "only the 1s who won't give me the friend discount."
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i think Brothers who are in position to share their wealth w/other Brothers should do so. if a guy can slide me 4 pills for the price of 3 he should do so for the good of the race. it's what Rosa, Martin, Malcolm, and WEB would want. even Booker T and Marcus G could get w/that.

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110. "Morph kinda touched on it... but"
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Drug dealers aren't selling out nobody but 'themselves'.

I haven't met a drug dealer yet that doesn't fully understand what they are doing. They understand fully their part in the 'cycle' yet they 'choose' to continue doing what they are doing... Most of them hate the consequences of their actions, the cats I know don't that hand over that drug to the 6 month pregnant lady with glee thinking about how good it is that they are fucking up this unborn child...


Sadly though... If you cannot recognise the 'God' within you, then you'll forever be a slave to your most primitive basic 'person'. And one primitive characteristic is survival at all cost, even if it is at the cost of others... Greed is another, selfishness and so on and so on...




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115. "If someone TRULY HATES what they are doing,"
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and they know it causes detrimental consequences, then they should stop doing it...SAYING you hate something is one thing. You might SAY you hate it, it's disgusting, so on and so forth. But if you keep doing it, and keep TAKING MONEY for it, saying you hate is nothing but TALK...LIP SERVICE.

Case and point: needs money to pay his bills, but he hates his boss, and hates his job...and will quit in a minute...drug dealers don't quit because they don't want to part with the dough...

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116. "Brother read my post again plz n/m"
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117. "I thought..."
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this was a no-brainer. Exploiting the community for personal gain is being a sellout as far as I'm concerned. I'm amazed that anyone can sympathise with drug dealers....

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127. "DING DING DING!!!"
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We have a winner!

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118. "In the purest sense of the words, YES"
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It's scary that anyone would say otherwise. But like Utma said, alot of people are too personally involved in this subject to think clearly.

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119. "and most wouldn't DARE step up and reply here either."
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"real recognize real, and the FAKE, they REALLY REALLY recognize real."

period.

but hey, it's just okp. *shrugs*

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121. "seriously tho I never understood they say they sell to get by"
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like 50 cent...he says he had to sell to live but I personally know 50 used to drive down guy brewer with a Benz when he was dealing. that's not getting by that's getting fly

thats why I liked Jay'z allure cuz he confessed he did that shit for the riches.

and please spare me all this shit about how many families survive off of dealers. I know dealers in the hood, hell I got dealers in my family and none of them muthafuckas be on some robin hood shit helping anyone out except themselves. there's some exceptions but very few

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122. "inbox"
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123. "if ur gonna get d. dealers u gotta get likka store owners too"
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130. "Both of those situations have to go."
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I think as a community we are not at a point where we can just try and live like everyone else. We have been fucked up for way too long. It's like when Elijah started teaching the muslims in the N.O.I and told them to fast more than just for Islamic holidays. We as black folks have been eating pork and other biship so long we need to fast often to rid our bodies of that mess. So in my opinion we dont' have time to deal with recreational drugs and the like because we got too much cleaning to do. When the house is clean then you can go and watch TV. While the garbage is stinking up the house we just wanna sit there and watch TV.

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135. "yeh cuz Islam is the original religion of the black man"
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LOL

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147. "most of "them" ain't "us" tho"
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is that the same dynamic?


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124. "2 things"
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1) Drug Dealers are poison to our community
2) *All* drugs should be legal.


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126. "What is your basis for #2?"
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146. "autonomy"
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vs collective control.

I always go with autonomy.

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148. "I'll be 100% honest...I really don't care if drugs"
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"street" (for lack of a better term) are legalized or not...I ain't gonna touch that trash...just like I don't deal with no cigarettes or alcohol...

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143. "cosign"
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152. "PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES STAND UP!!!!"
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how many folks die a year of over the counter prescription drug use?

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not really

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131. "You really can't say no to this."
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For obvious reasons. You can't sell crack to a senior citizen for $bank and not call it selling out.

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132. "I feel the same way about Drug Dealers as I do about Liquor Store Owners"
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133. "holla at that exodushustler"
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145. "WAAAY too many of y'all are focusing on the plight of"
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the DEALER, and not what drugs do to the PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY.

Lets just take a quick look at how this is a detriment to the collective:

Let's say a brother wants to fulfill his Nino Brown dream, and starts selling crack...and he has a pretty good clientele on "Block X"...he has some regular customers, and lets say that the majority of his customers are "recreational" users, meaning that they have jobs and/or go to school...anyway, these "recreational", occasional crack-smokers start screwing up...not going to class, dropping out of school altogether...or it starts to affect their work performance, maybe they stop showing up to work at all, and they lose their jobs. The neighborhood is affected ECONOMICALLY for the following reasons: because these people who had jobs or were getting an education so they could get decent employment are crackheads.

Then what happens? The dudes start car-jacking, breaking in cars and cribs, and sticking folks up in the hood to get their regular fix...the females start stealing from family members, or start selling tail to get money to buy crack, so that means that the neighborhood has an increase in all types of CRIME. (Not to mention that the "straight" people are affected even more because their homeowners, renters, or car insurance rates go up because they live in a "high risk area"...further economic burden.)

Then what happens? The sisters who have turned themselves into crack whores, have kid after kid, they get on welfare, and because she is always out turning tricks, the kids have little to no supervision. So they hardly go to school, they hang out doing nothing, are not being educated, and constantly are in trouble. Her daughters, because they have been taught no sense of morals, and their view of Black women is relegated to their crackhead mother and the images they see of the video honeys on BET, start screwing when they are 12, and have 3 bastard kids by the time they are 17. Her sons have no strong male figure in their lives, are uneducated, they run with a gang doing all kinds of dirt, and they can't stand being at home with their strung out whore of a mother and their sisters' bastard kids everywhere, they have ZERO repect for women so they treat them as little more than sex objects, and the only cat they see making fat money is the drug dealer...SO THEY START SELLING CRACK, and the VICIOUS CYCLE STARTS AGAIN 10-FOLD.

Now what is a trip is that these young bucks start to "come up" and they want the original drug dealer's territory..."Block X", which means they move in on him, and somebody, inevitably is gonna wind up dead...gunned down in the streets. Either the original dealer, or the young buck...

I haven't even started to mention how throughout this whole process, through all these low morals and illicit sex AIDS is DECIMATING the block, the neighborhood, the entire part of town...

The whole time the dirty politicians, businessmen, and mobsters who are all in cahoots on the "wholesale" end of the drug trade (and who wouldn't dare let these drugs be sold in the streets where THEY live) are LAUGHING not only at the crackheads, are LAUGHING at the the decent people who are struggling in these now crime, vice, and drug-infested areas, AND they are also LAUGHING at the drug dealer that they sell to wholesale. WHY? Because this STUPID NIGGER (excuse my language please...I'm mad now) is willing to KILL his own people on all kinds of levels so he can have a platinum chain, some fancy clothes, a big house, and an Escalade with candy paint, sitting on 26-inch spinners...and to add insult to injury, he isn't saving one red cent. They are also LAUGHING at this SAMBO because it is only a matter of time before he gets arrested, and becomes another one of the countless Black men spending what is supposed to be their productive years in the belly of the beast...and that it the GOOD alternative...he MIGHT wind up dead before he hits 30.

So drug dealing is either directly or indirectly linked to the destruction of our ECONOMIC, MORAL, MENTAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL and PHYSICAL health.

HOW CAN Y'ALL SAY THESE DRUG DEALERS AREN'T SELLING OUR PEOPLE OUT?!?!?!?

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149. "And there it is."
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Very little, if any good comes from the whole drug trade, it just breeds more negativity

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165. "conversation over...there is no argument after that"
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my man mal broke down.

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167. "Did you expect any less?"
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153. "how am i being sold out?"
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don't give me a hypothetical 'what if you get robbed/hit by a stray bullet?' scenario.

the drug game doesnt affect my daily living whatsoever even though it goes on around me.

far as i know it, no one has ever made a fiend take anything outside of donald goines novels.

on a moral level it's wrong, but i can't knock anyone's choice of getting theirs. again if you don't live it in it you couldn't identify

  

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154. "So you mean to tell me that you live in an"
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area where there is drug dealing going on around you, and you are not affected in any way, shape, or form?

If that is what you are saying don't say anything about RACISM, because if you aren't personally getting beat down and shot to death like Yusef Hawkins or Emmitt Till, then racism isn't affecting you...

Get outta here with that cynical, ignorant trash. I provided a thumbnail sketch in response #145 as to how we are all affected.

And one more thing, even if we aren't personally affected(which is highly unlikely) it is ridiculous to say "Hey!!! I know this cat is killing my brothers and sisters in the community just like the white man wants him to do...but hey, I ain't smoking so what he does is COOL with me...who am I to knock HIS hustle?"

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158. "everything you said in reply 145"
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that's guaranteed to happen if you live in the hood?

i dont associate myself with drug dealers, but there's a common respect held of being a familiar face

what they do has yet to affect me.

again, i get the idea you're speaking from the outside looking in

  

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161. "Does what I said in reply #145 happen or not?"
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That is the question. Is what I oulined common or uncommon. I KNOW this is what happens because I'VE SEEN IT too many times...and NO I don't live in "the hood"...ANYMORE. I know what it's like to eat syrup sandwiches for breakfast, or to eat grits for dinner. But my parents worked hard to get us out, worked full time jobs during the day and did janitorial work at night and turned that night work into a thriving business...and ever since I was 18 I have done volunteer work mentoring young brothers in "the hood" 15-20 hours a month so I wouldn't ever forget where I come from...so you can KILL that outside looking in BULLCRAP.

And being a familiar face to drug dealers, that has WHAT to do with WHAT?

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155. "The irony here is"
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most of the people defending drug dealers(whose actions directly affect black communities) were the same ones defending Nas when he called black actors (whose actions DON'T directly affect black communities) coons

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156. "DING DING DING!!! We have another winner!!!"
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PEACE

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160. "not that the 2 are related...."
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but drug dealing is a reality in the inner city, whereas black folks shucking and jiving isn't all there is to us but it reflects a lot of the images in our music and movies.

if anyone, i'd be more prone to label rappers glorifying the negativity to be sellouts than the people actually living the life

  

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163. "So based on that tricknowledgey:"
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"Artists" imitating and glorifying drug dealing: sellouts.(which I think they are too...)

Actual real life drug dealers: NOT sellouts.

Hmmmm...maybe the DUMBEST reasoning I've EVER encountered.

Especially when you won't "knock the hustle" of a dealer who REALLY sells dope...but you'll "knock the hustle" of a cat who is selling records TALKING ABOUT selling dope...

Black, please stop...you CAN't really be this dumb...

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168. "i mean"
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i dont know how else to convey to you that they feel a sense of hopelessness.

im cutting this conversation short since you wish to look down at my adverse opinion with scorn

  

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171. "And I keep saying that a bang of these"
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cats AREN'T DOING IT out of "hopelessness", they are doing it out of GREED, and aren't willing to put in the work or time to get what they want legally.

And I apologize for my earlier sarcasm and name-calling, I tend to be a bit confrontational when I get heated about certain subjects...

(I'm trying to work on being a more peaceful debater...sometimes I don't do so well...)

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172. "RE: So based on that tricknowledgey:"
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You saved me the trouble here.
I'll never understand the logic that says a man who feeds his kids by portraying black stereotypes for the amusement of white people. is worse than the man who feeds his kids by selling drugs to the black community.

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162. "Another View"
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If drug dealers are "sell-outs" so are most image produced rap stars. The negative outcome are the same even though drug might have imminent impact, but the image produced today in most pop rap reintroduces the drug dealers as sell-outs.This image has a longer psychological impact especially in ways the world see African-American. Almost every rapper was a dealer at some put, now they got the world to preach their doctrine to. I guess if the dude around the corner that controls one block(actually a door front) is a sell-out, so are the 50 cents of the world that sell & create images that all African men are dealers, pimps and African women are just B######...




Yo, I love the way I am and can’t nobody out here change me
Rearrange me, tame me, try to game me, you don’t play me
When I grab the mic then shock the party spot
Your rhymes are flip-flop, I’ll rock, hip-hop
Non-stop, me nah stop rock
You can touch this, but you’ll get shot
Now what’s this all about? kris and humanity
In my face you’re happy, on vinyl you’re mad at me
Yo, pro-blackness is your solution
But I don’t really know about that style you using yo
Too many teachers in the class spoil the class
After awhile you got blabbering fucking fools
That’s worse than always talking about sex, let’s build
It ain’t enough to study clarence 13x
The white man ain’t the devil I promise
You want to see the devil take a look at clarence thomas
Now you’re saying, "who? " like you a owl
Throw in the towel, the devil is colin powell
You talk about being african and being black
Colin powell’s black, but libya he’ll attack
Libya’s in africa, but a black man
Will lead a black man, to fight against his homeland
An accomplice to the devil is a devil too
The devil is anti-human, who the hell are you?
I lecture and rap without rehearsal
I manifest as a black man but I’m universal-BDP(KRS-One)

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None is crying out for justice
Everyone is crying out for peace, yes
None is crying out for justice

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164. "I concur..."
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166. "As do I"
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and I think if we could get rappers to see this. Or maybe if there was a new rapper who could come out and attack all these ignorant fools and do it in a compelling way, perhaps that would do a world of good as far as getting ppl to put morality b4 materialism. Cuz my folks grew up in the hood and I spent my early years there too, we got out the old-fashioned way. They worked their asses off 'till we could move up. They taught that to me and if more parents taught their children that we'd be cool

As a side-note though I think we're missing something. Even if all the blk drug-dealers disappeared the hood would still be fucked bc the damage is driven by drug-demand, not supply. If we really wanna fix this problem we have to deal w/the users, not the dealers.

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169. "well put"
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173. "The real blip in this post is that some of your motherfucks.."
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....don't even see beyond the HTML displayed in front of you. And then we have a bunch of false intellectuals in here who read a few books and think they can dictate their new "philosophy" on a bunch of already grown motherfuckers.

Them the niggas that need to do better.

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174. "What exactly does this comment mean?"
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175. "Before I answer, you tell me:"
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What's the right answer?

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176. "Read #145..."
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177. "Okay."
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I see.

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