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LeroyBumpkin
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"-Photography 101-"


  

          

(so it can be archived for the masses)

Every two months or so we have a person make a post saying how they want to...

...start shooting
...buy a camera (used, new or digital)
...develop their own film
...make a darkroom
...start taking classes

& so forth.

I figured with all the , we could come up with a good list of ideas for beginners and students. I'll try to come up with some subjects and everyone can reply under each heading with either a question or some advice.

In no way am I an expert. What I say is not law, just my experience in shooting really. I have no idea about how much it takes to make a darkroom (t510) or filters (emil, madwriter). Or how to get started in photojournalism (mpozi). Hopefully someone can use this post and learn something...i don't know.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
CAMERA BODIES
Oct 08th 2003
1
Leica Cameras.
Oct 09th 2003
94
      Pretty trash
Oct 09th 2003
123
FILM
Oct 08th 2003
2
pics and ?'s
Oct 08th 2003
17
You BEEN known I shoot Fuiji.
Oct 08th 2003
22
      I usually shoot with like 800...
Oct 08th 2003
37
           800
Oct 08th 2003
40
                right. (800)
Oct 08th 2003
42
                     Strange
Oct 08th 2003
47
Black & White Film.
Oct 08th 2003
18
niggerigged b&w film developing
Oct 08th 2003
33
kodak high definiton film 400
Oct 08th 2003
67
RE: FILM
Oct 08th 2003
78
      www.THA-RENAISSANCE.com
Oct 09th 2003
95
HOW TO GET STARTED?
Oct 08th 2003
3
i got hooked, i want more before i go back to school
Oct 08th 2003
10
niggerigging a darkroom
Oct 08th 2003
23
Cool. but speak on the chemicals i might need.....
Oct 08th 2003
38
      Chemicals. (from what i can remember)
Oct 08th 2003
46
      to add on..
Oct 08th 2003
54
           Right...ha ha ha.
Oct 08th 2003
56
      okay...
Oct 08th 2003
48
      chemicals and supplies:
Oct 08th 2003
51
Pearl.
Oct 08th 2003
27
getting a camera of course!
Oct 08th 2003
11
i got my camera at a pawn shop
Oct 08th 2003
24
      ive been carrying around my
Oct 08th 2003
26
in my opinion...
Oct 08th 2003
14
photography was one of my classes at school
Oct 08th 2003
DIGITAL
Oct 08th 2003
59
LENS' & FILTERS
Oct 08th 2003
4
Do I need a ZOOM lens?
Oct 08th 2003
21
agreed
Oct 09th 2003
111
somebody takle enlarger filters..
Oct 08th 2003
58
done & done
Oct 08th 2003
62
I got 20+ filters now....
Oct 08th 2003
68
Dope Post....
Oct 08th 2003
5
INTERESTING PHOTO WEBSITES
Oct 08th 2003
6
the okphotog site i love
Oct 08th 2003
13
*cough*
Oct 08th 2003
15
www.photojournalism.org
Oct 08th 2003
16
RE: INTERESTING PHOTO WEBSITES
Oct 08th 2003
77
dude...i'll be all over the darkroom topic.
Oct 08th 2003
7
nevermind. look up for donwill
Oct 08th 2003
25
reply 24
Oct 08th 2003
30
excellent...
Oct 08th 2003
8
RE: -Photography 101-
Oct 08th 2003
9
What do you want to know?
Oct 08th 2003
28
that would be cool
Oct 08th 2003
12
You need to ummm....
Oct 08th 2003
19
i'm about to go to work
Oct 08th 2003
20
DEVELOPING A PERSONAL ZONE SYSTEM
Oct 08th 2003
29
u dont do test strips?
Oct 08th 2003
32
yeah i do em...
Oct 08th 2003
36
      i've stopped using test strips altogther.
Oct 08th 2003
80
           do you have your own darkroom?
Oct 09th 2003
103
                yep.
Oct 09th 2003
124
oh wow...
Oct 08th 2003
34
      RE: oh wow...
Oct 08th 2003
55
           *swing bat*
Oct 08th 2003
57
                shhhhh
Oct 08th 2003
60
DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY
Oct 08th 2003
31
i saw a digital slr in best buy circular
Oct 08th 2003
39
After 36 frames..
Oct 08th 2003
41
yeah that canon looks nice
Oct 08th 2003
71
RE: DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY
Oct 08th 2003
44
      is that a .JPG? .TIFF? or a raw image?
Oct 08th 2003
49
           any of em
Oct 08th 2003
63
Can this be anchored for a few days?
Oct 08th 2003
35
DEPTH OF FIELD - APERTURE/EXPOSURE
Oct 08th 2003
43
the lower the number...
Oct 08th 2003
52
A lotta digicams can't handle DOF...
Oct 08th 2003
65
      Even more reason to go film.
Oct 08th 2003
66
           they handle it with
Oct 08th 2003
69
           mind if I CoSign??
Oct 08th 2003
70
up
Oct 08th 2003
45
i'm taking documentary photography now...
Oct 08th 2003
50
What do you plan on shooting?
Oct 08th 2003
53
      so far...
Oct 08th 2003
64
BEFORE YOU BUY A DARKROOM, TAKE A CLASS, PEOPLE
Oct 08th 2003
61
RE: BEFORE YOU BUY A DARKROOM, TAKE A CLASS, PEOPLE
Oct 08th 2003
73
      are you talking to me? if so
Oct 08th 2003
74
FILM SPEED FOR DIFFERENT SITUATIONS
Oct 08th 2003
72
here:
Oct 08th 2003
79
Much appreciated.
Oct 08th 2003
82
**AVOID SHOOTING AT NOON**
Oct 09th 2003
92
      i'll drink to that
Oct 09th 2003
110
WHAT FILTER DO YOU USE FOR GOLD TEETH?
Oct 08th 2003
75
im interested... you talkin B&W or COLOR?
Oct 09th 2003
97
      both, but mainly b&w. i wish someone wld answer it too
Oct 09th 2003
99
PHOTOJOURNALISM
Oct 08th 2003
76
thank you for this post
Oct 08th 2003
81
how did this post not get anchored yet?
Oct 08th 2003
83
Ima try to up it as I stay up tonight
Oct 08th 2003
84
      basically
Oct 08th 2003
85
Great post
Oct 08th 2003
86
TIPS FOR MAKING FLASH LIGHTING LESS HARSH
Oct 08th 2003
87
bam!
Oct 09th 2003
88
soft boxes are less than $20...
Oct 09th 2003
93
bounce wit it, bounce wit it
Oct 09th 2003
89
a Bounce Card.
Oct 09th 2003
90
      yup
Oct 09th 2003
91
           explain this bounce card concept a lil more
Oct 09th 2003
96
                Not over the flash...
Oct 09th 2003
100
                     im killin all rumors right here..
Oct 09th 2003
102
What about starting a Photo business
Oct 09th 2003
98
Business of what?
Oct 09th 2003
101
RE: Business of what?
Oct 09th 2003
105
      Do you have your own Studio?
Oct 09th 2003
106
           RE: Do you have your own Studio?
Oct 09th 2003
107
piggybacking:getting work w/ magazines n such...
Oct 09th 2003
104
PHOTOGRAPHY FOR THE YOUNG, GIFTED, AND BROKE
Oct 09th 2003
108
wow
Oct 09th 2003
109
      one of these days i'm gonna get one
Oct 09th 2003
113
           its more like 20 bones in nyc
Oct 09th 2003
120
                you yankees are getting screwed.
Oct 09th 2003
122
                     b&h is my price standard
Oct 10th 2003
127
                          holga here..
Oct 10th 2003
130
yep.
Oct 09th 2003
112
What B/W Film has the LEAST amount of Grain
Oct 09th 2003
114
ILFORD...
Oct 09th 2003
117
HOW DO YOU APPROACH SUBJECTS (PEOPLE)
Oct 09th 2003
115
this is subjective...
Oct 09th 2003
121
basically..
Oct 10th 2003
128
be honest
Oct 10th 2003
129
It's difficult at first.
Oct 10th 2003
131
up
Oct 09th 2003
116
uppage
Oct 09th 2003
118
^
Oct 09th 2003
119
don't let this fall, people
Oct 09th 2003
125
Let's all flood the mod's inboxes for archival of this
Oct 09th 2003
126
bump
Oct 10th 2003
132

LeroyBumpkin
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1. "CAMERA BODIES"
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94. "Leica Cameras."
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The mercedez benz of camera bodies. Point blank. It's German, and the technical optics used for this camera are amazing. Canon? Forget it. Nikon (my brand)? Nope. I've only used one once, but some of the black & white pictures I've seen come from these cameras are simply amazing. Excellent exposures, sharp images always.

If you can get one (and you're a baller), I highly suggest it.

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123. "Pretty trash"
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limited life span.

kinda like the Jaguar of cameras and my uncle's is still sitting in his garage.

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2. "FILM"
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17. "pics and ?'s"
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black and white
tmax 400
tcn 400 (its b&w u develop like color film so its not real b&w..more sepia..thanks donnie for putting me on!)

color
kodak portra vc 400

i could use more color suggestions please

  

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22. "You BEEN known I shoot Fuiji."
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Try some Fuiji 400 outside. I think you'll like it.

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37. "I usually shoot with like 800..."
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i like the colors but you think 400 outside is good?

Can you tell me some of the differences?

  

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40. "800"
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is better for darker settings

u dont notice how your pics may be a little grainy? thats because of the higher speed

400 is a versatile speed and wont give u that grainyness

  

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42. "right. (800)"
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>is better for darker settings

Or scenes with fast action like sports. I wouldn't use anything higher than 800 though (imo it looks terrible). If you need more light and 800 speed isn't doing it for you, you can adjust the ASA/ISO on your camera, then just trick the camera into thinking it's 1600 speed film by setting it to 1600.

damn, did that make sense?

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47. "Strange"
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I've never had that problem. I guess the more i switch it up the more i will see a difference..

  

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18. "Black & White Film."
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Kodak TRI-X 400: A very basic black 'n white film. Excellent for beginners. I still shoot with this today. In fact, all the B&W images on my website (i believe) are TRI-X. I don't use many other B&W films other than this, but the ILFORD brand isn't bad either.

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33. "niggerigged b&w film developing"
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if you have the proper chemisty to develop your own film at home

one tip that i learned from a local photographer to control the temperature of the the water is using ice cubes.

((its been so long since ive done this))

basically each cube decreases the water temperature a certain amount (i forget how many degrees) and you can use that to get your water to the correct temperature by adding accordingly

the key to most photog processes are not supplies but understanding the concepts behind why you need the supplies





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67. "kodak high definiton film 400"
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is the best kodak film out.... i took some in chi of the sears tower.... it even caught the rainbow...

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78. "RE: FILM"
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what's your web address?

  

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95. "www.THA-RENAISSANCE.com"
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3. "HOW TO GET STARTED?"
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10. "i got hooked, i want more before i go back to school"
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questions:

-where's the best place to cop a cheap 35mm camera for beginners?
-where exactly can one develop their pictures if they honestly have no room in their house to make a darkroom(apartments suck)?
-what is the best paper to work with as a beginner:matte or gloss?

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23. "niggerigging a darkroom"
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i used my kitchen

its only got one window which makes it easy to stop the light from coming in and it has running water

if your room you are niggerigging doesnt have running water i suggest a large water cooler w/ a tap. (like the kind you take on picnics)

the only real problem with this method is ventilation so i tend not to develop much in my kitchen but most amateur photogs use teh bathroom alot because of the running water factor.

all you generally need for any darkroom to work is:
-MINIMAL light
-decent to moderate sized workspace
-a water supply

anyroom can be a darkroom





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38. "Cool. but speak on the chemicals i might need....."
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like with
measurements'n such../
what they're called/
how much are they/

what's the step
by step process
in developing film
in a 'niGGeriGGed'
darkroom

haa. 'niGGeriGGed'

  

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46. "Chemicals. (from what i can remember)"
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>like with
>measurements'n such../

Ha ha ha...my professor would kill me. I can't remember at all it's been so long.

>what they're called/

Chemicals for processing film and prints:
-developer: D76 or HC110
-stop bath
-fixer

>what's the step
>by step process
>in developing film
>in a 'niGGeriGGed'
>darkroom

damn.

DEVELOPER: The time your print is in this tray depends on what your test strip says (i'll do that one later). But whatever you test strip says, try to go by that. It can be something as short as 2 seconds....to 20 minutes depending on the print.

STOP BATH: This tray stops the developing process. I'd say hold it in this tray for about 30 seconds.

WATER: Technically, a water tray should be in between each step just to clean the previous chemical off, and to prevent it from messing up the other chemicals. 10 seconds.

FIXER: This tray is very important. I don't know how to explain it really (donwill), but this tray solidifies your print. If you take your print into the light before this tray, or don't give your print enough time in the fixer, the print will go brown immediately. It's sort of a preservation. To be on the safe side...5 minutes at the least (i always hated waiting for that 5 minutes).

WATER: a good thorough rinse is very imporant. You don't want to leave excess fixer on your print. Let it rinse very well before you take it out. 5 minutes.

IMPORTANT: People, if this post teaches y'all one thing, let it be this. DON'T TOUCH THE CHEMICALS! Seriously. We never did it in high school, and my freshman year I came into school doing it again. By my sophomore year, I could see the chemicals destroying my fingers. That fixer chemical eats through clothes...what do you think it's doing to your skin? Use gloves or tongs ALWAYS! And ALWAYS wash your hands THOROUGHLY afterwards! Kids at Columbia steady printing their final and eating fries...probably dead by now (or got one working eye).

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54. "to add on.."
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yes water between each process (i think ill try that lol we niggerriggin niggah i be mixin chemisty like a mug) and donnie was on point w/ developer and fixer (i like to fix mines for about 45 seconds, you just want to make sure you nullify the developer. teh stop does exactly waht it says.. stops the developer)

fixer is IMPORTANT AS FUCK

leave it in there for 5 minutes AT LEAST... sometimes i leave my shit in for 10-15 min... its the most harmless yet helpful process.... it seals your image so the light can not effect it.
i have matted prints that are browning thanks to insufficient fixing. TRUST me on this one..

USE TONGS! DO NOT TOUCH THE CHEMICALS!

(they wont kill you immediately but if you use em alot...




>FIXER: This tray is very important. I don't know how to
>explain it really (donwill), but this tray solidifies your
>print. If you take your print into the light before this
>tray, or don't give your print enough time in the fixer, the
>print will go brown immediately. It's sort of a
>preservation. To be on the safe side...5 minutes at the
>least (i always hated waiting for that 5 minutes).
>
>WATER: a good thorough rinse is very imporant. You don't
>want to leave excess fixer on your print. Let it rinse very
>well before you take it out. 5 minutes.
>
>IMPORTANT: People, if this post teaches y'all one thing,
>let it be this. DON'T TOUCH THE CHEMICALS! Seriously. We
>never did it in high school, and my freshman year I came
>into school doing it again. By my sophomore year, I could
>see the chemicals destroying my fingers. That fixer
>chemical eats through clothes...what do you think it's doing
>to your skin? Use gloves or tongs ALWAYS! And ALWAYS wash
>your hands THOROUGHLY afterwards! Kids at Columbia steady
>printing their final and eating fries...probably dead by now
>(or got one working eye).





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56. "Right...ha ha ha."
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>USE TONGS! DO NOT TOUCH THE CHEMICALS!
>(they wont kill you immediately but if you use em alot...

Ha ha ha...I don't want cats thinking they gonna immediately start seeing 'the light' if they get some fixer on 'em. It takes a long time to show some effects, but overall it's a bad habit to touch the chemicals.

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48. "okay..."
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*i will have to answer these questions when i get home because i dont really remember and all this stuff is in my personal notes.

w/ chemicals you generally want to get a brand name you feel comfortable using and stick with it for the entire process. i like ilford brand. and i havent bought any yet as i used to steal them from my old school (THIS IS NIGGERRIGGING i was not playing)

to develop prints you need :
PRINT developer
stop
wash

to develop film you need:
FILM developer
stop
wash

the stops and washes are the same for both processess

as far as measurements its done in ratio's like 2:4 (chemicals to water) ((ill give exact measurements later))

ill describe the process later after i refresh my memory with the exact times and measurements...

*stay tuned*

>what's the step
>by step process
>in developing film
>in a 'niGGeriGGed'
>darkroom
>
>haa. 'niGGeriGGed'





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51. "chemicals and supplies:"
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>like with
>measurements'n such../

developer
stop bath
fixer

each costs about $5 a pack, enough for a liter apiece.

you'll need containers for each, and 3 trays for each chemical. you can improvise or buy the ones @ a photo shop. it's cheaper to improvise.

photo paper (prices vary)
thermometer (the good ones are costly)
an easel (costly as well)
a developer (besselers are good)
enlarger timer (prices vary)
red bulb (cheap)
grain finder (varies)

you can shop around for the hardware, but i came up on ebay for the developer.

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27. "Pearl."
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>-where's the best place to cop a cheap 35mm camera for
>beginners?

Here in Chicago? Central Camera on Wabash (i forget the address but it's near Wabash 'n Jackson south of Tower records). A lot of the guys in there are very knowledgable, but they can be assholes sometimes. SOME of them, not all. Great place to get film cause they got just about everything.

>-where exactly can one develop their pictures if they
>honestly have no room in their house to make a
>darkroom(apartments suck)?

I know the Art Institute has places, but I'm not sure the details. If you're taking a class, they should provide that for you (damn, Columbia College spoiled me). Other than that, you'll have to come out of pocket to get your film developed. There are a ton of places you can take your film to (and I'm talking B&W) and get good quality. Just don't expect the 1-hour treatment, and it can get expensive.

>-what is the best paper to work with as a beginner:matte or
>gloss?

Oooh, good question. I started out w/ glossy because the blacks really come out nice. A well printed glossy print looks good. I think it can help you see your mistakes better as well (at least that's what a professor told me). Matte is nice as well, but you might want to try semi-matte paper or Pearl. That's my favorite. The picture of the trumpet player playing in the subway at my house? That's pearl I think. It's like the best of both worlds.

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11. "getting a camera of course!"
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if u are on a limited budget, u can start. manual cameras rock..seriously. u will learn the most from a manual. manual/autumatic cameras are just pricier and can be confusing and u end up using autofocus and stuff way too much.

u can get a manual pentax or canon for less than 200 used. with a nice 50mm camera (its also best to start with that kinda lens. if u take photog in college, that will almost be the lens they want u to use exclusively. it will force u to get up close to get your shots)

used is the way to go also. find a reputable store in your area and check the used dept. ive even heard of people copping @ pawn shops. i got a good camera @ a garage sale.


  

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24. "i got my camera at a pawn shop"
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it was someones old set

i think i paid $150 for it

its a cannon AE-1

when im out on my freelance jobs most other photogs on the scene will have big snazzy digital cameras and they all have the same comment about my camera when they see it.

DEPENDABLE

general concensus on the manual cameras is that they work like hogs. and it is good to have a basic understanding of a manual camera to really know what you are doing when you shoot. i love my manual





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26. "ive been carrying around my"
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yashica 30 dollar manual instead of my canon elan

the pics are way better.

i took the canon to gem's baby shower and im really disappointed @ the results. i wish i had shot manual


  

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14. "in my opinion..."
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Don't feel you need a NEW camera to get started in photography. Of course the idea of a new toy to start a hobby never hurts, it's not necessary. You can start out with a point 'n shoot camera. Just because it's very commercial, cheap and easy to use doesn't mean you can't take good pictures with it. As cheesy and as cliche' as this sounds, the pictures are in your imagination. It's what you do WITH the tool that really matters.

If you're really interested in starting photography as a hobby, I suggest enrolling in a course. Shooting w/ an instructor really helps. They can guide you after you make mistakes (which will come often). If you can't enroll in a course at a local community college or wherever, then just get out and shoot.

SHOOT A LOT!

Go through film like a bag of sunflower seeds. Seriously.

The more you shoot, the more you train your eye to see nice compositions (I can't stress that enough). Just like a painter trains their hands to use the brush to achieve certain brush strokes, a photographer must learn how to train their eye to compose. If you see the camera as an instrument and a tool, you'll learn a lot more.

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"photography was one of my classes at school"


  

          

it all fell under the same category with my 2d class & my basic drawing class.

my instructor was too busy with trying to be a diva that she never really did take time to help students, i don't know how many times i asked to stay after class to understand why my shots always seemed to come out either too dark or too light.

matter of fact i still have my notes packed away.
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59. "DIGITAL"
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with manual controls. allows instant viewing and helps hone your technique. then go back to film.

reason i like film more is the sharpnes of film itself. digital...you accumulate so many pics that u get backlogged in editing them. im at about 850 shots at 11mb each.

  

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4. "LENS' & FILTERS"
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21. "Do I need a ZOOM lens?"
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If you're a beginner, HELL NO!

Seriously, if you really want to learn photography I suggest finding a fixed lens...something small. A 50mm lens is a great beginner lens because it forces you to approach your subject instead of sniping (a term we used in school) from across the street. On the more technical side, focusing is easier with a smaller lens.

So if you're just starting out, don't let your eyes get to big looking at the big zoom lens thinking you gonna capture Andre Agassi hitting that tennis ball. It ain't gonna happen.

Now, I won't go off on the use of zoom lenses entirely. Lots of photographers use them for concerts as well. And if you have access to a pit in front of the stage, a 50mm lens WILL NOT cut it. It's just too far. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a nice 70-210 lens would work.

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111. "agreed"
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also I was told by a photo prof at NYU to always match the lens brand with camera brand, i.e. Nikon body- Nikon lens, however a Tamaron(sp?) or another off brand can get the job done. truthfully speaking I can't tell the diff and at the time I was broke so I had to get a Tamaron zoom lens.

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58. "somebody takle enlarger filters.."
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62. "done & done"
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From what I remember...it's suggested you always start out with a #2 filter. And I know it's #2 because in all my years in the darkroom, people would always be missing theirs trying to borrow (or in my case, steal) one. It's like a bump of contrast. Adds some nice blacks. If you have a bad negative, you might need to jump up to 3 or 4 filter. Anything higher than that...pick another negative.

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68. "I got 20+ filters now...."
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Between colors and creative filters...

I found that the best thing to do is to get a basic 50mm lens non-zoom lens... witht he creative filters it's hard to get the zoom and get the effects to stay... the more manual settings wit the filters the better...

My favorite filters now are the blue graduated filter, and the red graduated filters... great for tackling landscapes and other obscure sights..

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5. "Dope Post...."
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I'll be camping out at this one....a bruh got dreammmmmsssss....

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6. "INTERESTING PHOTO WEBSITES"
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Whether it's yours, or one you came across on the web that you really like.

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13. "the okphotog site i love"
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www.verahartmann.com

and as much as i said it, and i know its been over a year (which actually makes me sad)..my site is a-coming


  

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15. "*cough*"
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my website.


(web design by squeeg)

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16. "www.photojournalism.org"
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VERY powerful site.

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77. "RE: INTERESTING PHOTO WEBSITES"
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sportsshooter.com
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/photo/?nav=hptop
digitaljournalist.org
foobonic.com - free space




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7. "dude...i'll be all over the darkroom topic."
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i wanna know that
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25. "nevermind. look up for donwill"
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30. "reply 24"
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i'll add to this, read this and archive this. don't forget to remind me.

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9. "RE: -Photography 101-"
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Yea, maybe i could pick up a few pointers from you...

like...how do you keep from goin off on your professor!!!?

i'm good when it comes to digital photography, all that good stuff w/megapixels, Photoshop, etc...

but i'd never picked up a manual SLR camera until recently...

and my prof. is driving me crazy b/c he doesn't TEACH, he SHOWS and then gets frustrated cause i get frustrated. (i'm gettin frustrated thinking about being frustrated right now!!)

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28. "What do you want to know?"
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specifically?

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12. "that would be cool"
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Im taking photography next semester.
I would definitely utilize that!
donnie you're smart.

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have Photography 050 for ppl like me

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20. "i'm about to go to work"
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so please someone make sure this gets archived or continually upped for the rest of the night.

thanks, LB!

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29. "DEVELOPING A PERSONAL ZONE SYSTEM"
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*maybe a sort of advanced topic*

for people who develop their own prints...

alot of times i find myself alot of times wasting alot of paper on trying to get the image down. my photog mentor was telling me i need to develop a zone system which is basically an all inclusive relationship between the photog their camera and the enlarger. it encompasses EVERYTHING from the film to the camera to the chemisty to the paper to the enlarger and etc...

does anyone here have a personal zone system?
if so... anytips on developing one?





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32. "u dont do test strips?"
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i wasted a lot less paper doing test strips

  

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36. "yeah i do em..."
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i live by em

but i still find myself wasting alot of paper at times.

this guy was pretty much just trying to get me to normalize my entire process to remedy the wasting. hes been at photography for like 20 years now proffesionally. he pretty much was saying that through his zone system he can now literally pick up any negative he shot and pop off a print without a test strip off rip.

i think i dont really know my enlarger that well either. that probably is part of my problem. i have to build that comfort level with my enlarger.





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80. "i've stopped using test strips altogther."
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contact sheets too.

eventually, you'll be able to just look at a negative and just know. at the extreme, maybe look at the 1st print and know the adjustments you need to make.

comes with time spent in the darkroom.

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103. "do you have your own darkroom?"
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124. "yep."
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34. "oh wow..."
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...now this is photography talk.

This is for B&W, right?

Developer: if you can help it, don't share developer with someone else while you're printing. Not everyone has this luxury, but the more people use it, the more you exhaust the developer. You'll find as time goes by, it'll take longer and longer for your picture to appear in old/used developer. Which in turn, is gonna throw your time off (if you made a test strip).

But the MOST important thing about developing (or even more so, that first tray) STAY CONSISTENT! If you do a test strip at 10 second intervals, and you find a time at let's say...35 seconds. Do 35 seconds in that first tray, and then take it out. If you're not consistent with your prints, you're gonna waste time in the darkroom.

damn, I could talk about this all day.

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55. "RE: oh wow..."
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>damn, I could talk about this all day.

Nerd.

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57. "*swing bat*"
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fool...you NEED to be reading. I done SEEN some of YOUR pictures.

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60. "shhhhh"
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don't be tellin everybody. I'm WORKING on my skills.

  

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31. "DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY"
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Where to begin?

One, I shoot film, and that's what I prefer if given a choice. I'm only in the market for a digital camera beacause in order for me to succeed in the newspaper business, I have to know how to shoot digital (and I'm saying w/ a digital SLR, not point 'n shoot).

What do I know about megapixels and stuff? Not to much. But the convenience of digital photography is to good not to pass up. It basically cuts out the middle man of buying and getting film processed, which anyone that shoots film knows, COSTS! Only problem, I have yet to see a beautiful large print from a digital camera w/o any distortion. With film, you can take it in the darkroom and blow it up to any size you want. With a digital camera, you have a MB file, and it can only get strectched so far.

I say if you're thinking of photography as a hobby, go film.

If you trying to start a website, go digital.

I'm sure someone else can highlight the advantages and disadvantages of film.

In the meantime, I'm gonna salivate over .

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39. "i saw a digital slr in best buy circular"
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canon 6.3 megapixels
for a g

i shoulda bought it.i would trade my canon elan in in a hearbeat



  

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41. "After 36 frames.."
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...my body just automatically goes into this mode of removing film. I think of all the pictures I've missed changing rolls...or losing rolls (chicago reunion)...or inserting rolls of film I've already shot. DAMN!

Yeah, I think my guy that shoots for the Northwest Herald has that same Canon.

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71. "yeah that canon looks nice"
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i recently copped the finepix s5000, which is slr style and has removable wide angle and telephoto lenses, but it doesnt even come close to that canon...

but the canon is like $900, and the lenses are about the same...i was like whoa...

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44. "RE: DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY"
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As long as you buy 5million pixels plus, there are no problems.

Top o the range cameras allow you to shoot up to about an A3-A1 size paper space initially, without having to blow pictures up in an image mixer.
All depending on how "arty" you take your pictures.

  

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49. "is that a .JPG? .TIFF? or a raw image?"
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63. "any of em"
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depends on what youres shooting.

i save as hq jpgs, 4mp and ending up being about 11mb each when opened in photoshop. tiffs are a lil better but they take time to capture to a card. raw is ok but it's really troublesome and only useful in some apps.

lots of press guys i know do hq jpegs and do the rest in ps, call it a day. i'll give u some good links about these topics tomorrow.

  

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35. "Can this be anchored for a few days?"
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I just don't want to see this post fall off, it's a damn good resource for those of us who are just getting into photography, and it would be a shame to lose this valuable info..


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43. "DEPTH OF FIELD - APERTURE/EXPOSURE"
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Anyone got any tips regarding this subject? Specifically, what is a nice balance to get objects in the foreground in sharp focus and objects in the background very blurry. It's something I've been trying to do with the manual settings on my digicam with no success...


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52. "the lower the number..."
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the more your background is blurred. works best with low light. i think the stop is 2.8



>Anyone got any tips regarding this subject? Specifically,
>what is a nice balance to get objects in the foreground in
>sharp focus and objects in the background very blurry. It's
>something I've been trying to do with the manual settings on
>my digicam with no success...
>
>
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65. "A lotta digicams can't handle DOF..."
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even with the manual settings...

Some of the high-end digicams have a dept-of-field preview that will help u with that.... but if u got an f stop setting the lower the no., the more your background gets blurred... but the foreground stays sharp
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66. "Even more reason to go film."
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Whoops. sorry, did I say that? ha ha ha.

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69. "they handle it with"
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the subject being about 3 feet from the background. plus, i got photoshop. cant een tell.

the new olympus 4/3ds systems seeks to address that issue.

(i got a fast lens at 2.0/iso 80 that does decent when u take distance into account)

  

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70. "mind if I CoSign??"
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More creative stuff can be done w/ film than digital, unless u got photoshop and time...

but it's more fun to experiment and play with film... u get waaay more effects thru film than digi..

but in the age of instant gratification... digital is on the comeup... I jus can't see puttin down 2g's on a camera that i can do the same with film and a scanner...

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45. "up"
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my dad has an old ass camera, i gotta do some inspecting, so keep this up

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50. "i'm taking documentary photography now..."
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bout my SLR about 2 months ago. my professor suggested a nikon n65 but after doing a lil research and talking to some folks i got a Sigma w/the 2 lense kit. LUV it!!!


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53. "What do you plan on shooting?"
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I loved my documentary photo class.

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64. "so far..."
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i've started working on documentary www.theriversidechurch.org and how it's much more than a church but a corporation. the building itself is amazing but taking shots of the many many people who work to maintain it, worship, go to school, and just visit was incredible.


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61. "BEFORE YOU BUY A DARKROOM, TAKE A CLASS, PEOPLE"
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hit up your local jc.

after a minumum of instruction and access to their equipment, this whole subject is a lot less overwhelming.

you can teach yourself the technicalities, but darkroom proficiency is trial and error.



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73. "RE: BEFORE YOU BUY A DARKROOM, TAKE A CLASS, PEOPLE"
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How are tamron lenses compared to sigma lenses?

  

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74. "are you talking to me? if so"
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sigma is a decent after-market lens. not great, but adequately functional.

i have one. a 200 zoom. i don't use it much, but it comes in handy when i need it.

tamron, iono.

but take a class.


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72. "FILM SPEED FOR DIFFERENT SITUATIONS"
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Basically, what are y'alls recommendations for film speed in different situations (indoors, outdoors sunny, outdoors cloudy, indoors artificial light, etc.)?


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79. "here:"
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>Basically, what are y'alls recommendations for film speed in
>different situations (indoors, outdoors sunny, outdoors
>cloudy, indoors artificial light, etc.)?
>
~~indoors, try to use 400 or above. i shoot a lot of concerts, and 400 tri-x b&w does fine. i've also used kodak's 125 b&w, with and without a flash, and they were excellent. i don't like to use a flash, so the key to both is to be patient and wait for your subject to come into the light. indoors color, use 200 and below with a flash, 400 + without. you can get 1600 and 3200 speed film too, and light no longer becomes an issue, but your prints will be a helluva lot grainier.

outdoors use 200 and below on sunny days. 400 works to, but it cuts your available camera settings considerably. if you're a people person, watch for irregular shadows and be aware of squinting in bright sunlight.

cloudy days are the best. no weird shadows, no squinting, and your camera is more forgiving with the light. it's really all about light. on cloudy days, the light is evenly distributed, and you have more leeway with your speeds and apertures.

if you're shooting outdoors, around sunrise and sunset are the best, lightwise.

indoors w/ flourescents: flourescent light makes color prints look green. with black & white, it doesn't matter. light is light.

with color, you need to use a flash and/or use a blue filter to counter the greenish cast. there are other colors you can use (like magenta), but blue is a catchall. but basically use a flash, or don't shoot color under flouro.

i almost went into light tempuratures and the color wheel, but i think i've said enough for now...

hope this helps.

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82. "Much appreciated."
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Great tips, thanks for the info!


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92. "**AVOID SHOOTING AT NOON**"
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Seriously. That is the WORST time to shoot. You get all kinds of harsh shadows and light, and it's difficult to avoid them. Like tex said above, cloudy days or even dusk is the best time to shoot. If you're shooting color, they tend to stand out during these times of the day more than noon. If you have to shoot on a bright day, I'd definitely pull out some 200 speed film. Nothing over 400.

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110. "i'll drink to that"
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cloudy days best for photo & film shoots...

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75. "WHAT FILTER DO YOU USE FOR GOLD TEETH?"
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seriously.

so they don't look like rotten teeth.



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97. "im interested... you talkin B&W or COLOR?"
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(i really wish someone would answer this question)





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99. "both, but mainly b&w. i wish someone wld answer it too"
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i ask cuz i saw 2 (two!) hotties at the laundromat with grills.

i could get a series outta this in texas.

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76. "PHOTOJOURNALISM"
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this is from my inbox replying to res1 asking about breaking into pro photojournalism. i'm not totally in yet, but i recently landed my first international assignments- with the major italian daily corriere della sera shooting the lakers and an italian coach with denver.


>some of my (recommended) methods and resources include:
>-getting a BA
>-taking classes/ shooting for a college paper, even a JC
>-joining pro societies (me: AAJA, NPPA, sportsshooter.com)
>-getting at least 1 internship, start with a weekly
>-freelance when ready, starting with a weekly
>-read, collect used/new photojournalism texts
>-call the local weekly and/or daily and ask to ride along
>with one of them
>-keep updating your portfolio photos by category often
>-be ready to be a little humbled by feedback saying your art
>photography should be completely separate from your news
>photography
>-shoot some of your own projects/essays
>-write thorough captions- very important
>-get another job or two (if you're out of school like me) to
>pay for all this shit
>-when ready, market yourself to businesses to do business
>photos for them
>-formally start your own business and consistently handle
>the paperwork, invoicing, etc.
>-use the online resources and research relentlessly - great
>pro sites like sportsshooter.com, washingtonpost.com (they
>have good bios here).
>-consider videography because there's so many more jobs and
>pay there unfortunately
>-get proficient with multimedia (it seems you already are-
>nice site btw)
>-get a wide angle lens and learn how to use it well ie 20,
>24mm.
>
>hope that helps




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81. "thank you for this post"
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this was on my mind recently and i would have eventually had some question for you all.

  

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83. "how did this post not get anchored yet?"
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hopefully it will tomorrow.
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84. "Ima try to up it as I stay up tonight"
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It really is a travesty that all this knowledge could possibly go to waste, can't let that happen though...


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85. "basically"
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i'm sitting over here having memories of photography class back in college.

i can't wait til i go back.
i'm getting giddy now & that's not for another 8 months at least.
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86. "Great post"
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Thanks LeroyBumpkin

  

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87. "TIPS FOR MAKING FLASH LIGHTING LESS HARSH"
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88. "bam!"
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flash is evil, but if you gotta use it:

try to move it farther away from your camera. get a bracket for it.

get an adjustable flash that allows you to angle away from your subject, and bounce the light off a wall or a ceiling.

use a flash diffuser or a soft box attachment. these spread and soften the light, and your subject looks less flat and washed out.

geurilla tactic: cover your flash with some tissue or sheer fabric.

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93. "soft boxes are less than $20..."
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id definately recommend one

i use one





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89. "bounce wit it, bounce wit it"
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and use diffuser

*it is what it is*


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90. "a Bounce Card."
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Like some of these cats have said already. Doesn't even cost you nothing if you got some cardboard around the house. Just cut out a rectangle of cardboard, get some tape and tape it behind your flash. Have your flash pointing straight up though.

The light will bounce from the flash to your card then out. It's not as harsh and it distributes the light evenly among your subjects.

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91. "yup"
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my flashes are adjustable to i put them @ a 45 degree angle. or i use a 3x5 index card


  

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96. "explain this bounce card concept a lil more"
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(i use a soft box but im interested...)

so you tape a piece of cardboard over the flash?

is this primarly for non adjustable flashes?





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100. "Not over the flash..."
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...but if you point the flash straight up so its aimed at the ceiling (if you can adjust it), you put some cardboard behind the flash, and it the light bounces from the flash to the card and then out. The effect is very similar to what your soft box does, only cheaper..ha ha ha.

Rumor has it you're coming to -4G's-. If you do, I'll show you then.

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102. "im killin all rumors right here.."
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yup

may even bring a homeboy...







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98. "What about starting a Photo business"
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If you had all the basics down, what do you think would be the best way to start a photo business. As far as getting clients, and pacing yourself with the clients. Is a website a huge factor, or is that a waste of time?






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101. "Business of what?"
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Weddings?
Studio work?

Either way, a website NEVER hurts if done right.

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105. "RE: Business of what?"
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>Weddings?
>Studio work?
>
>Either way, a website NEVER hurts if done right.

Like Fashion Photography...I already do photos of people trying to get portfolio's together for modeling purposes or beginner singers trying to get press kits together. Don't know if that is actually fashion photography, but I guess it's close. I want to make a business now, because with each person I've worked with they each gave my name to someone else who has in turn called to set an appointment. So, I think maybe I am ready for a small business.

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106. "Do you have your own Studio?"
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Or studio-like area to shoot? If so, you need to invest in business cards and a URL for a website. I'm not big on studio photogprahy, but it seems as if word-of-mouth is helping you right now. If you expand to the web, it's easier for people to see your work and what you can (or can't) do. You could also post up rates of what you charge and what you're capable of.

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TAJ
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107. "RE: Do you have your own Studio?"
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>Or studio-like area to shoot? If so, you need to invest in
>business cards and a URL for a website. I'm not big on
>studio photogprahy, but it seems as if word-of-mouth is
>helping you right now. If you expand to the web, it's
>easier for people to see your work and what you can (or
>can't) do. You could also post up rates of what you charge
>and what you're capable of.

I don't have a studio I usually take all my shots outside. I use to have free reign of a vacant office building and I would hang up back drops of various colors, but I don't have access to that anymore as it's been rented now. Do you think it's better to stay low-key or start spreading the news?

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104. "piggybacking:getting work w/ magazines n such..."
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how would one go about this?

i know there is no tried and true method but im pretty sure it all starts w/ the photo editor

id very much like to have my work in print...





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tex
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108. "PHOTOGRAPHY FOR THE YOUNG, GIFTED, AND BROKE"
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MEDIUM FORMAT

one word:
this "toy" camera uses 120 roll medium format film, and it only costs $12.99, cheaper in bulk. it leaks light, but that can make for some really cool flares and effects. you can tape up the camera body to counter this. i knew a pro photog who damn near used a holga exclusively.

why medium format? because you can blow shits up to poster size without all the grain. why holga? if it breaks, so what? get another one. and ppl are less camera shy with a "toy", as opposed to a 3 storey professional joint.

FILTERS

got an old uv filter? try smearing some vaseline™ on it. extra cheap diffuser, and you can tailor the "center spot" on it if you want one. it gives your prints a dreamy/hazy quality, and it'll also conceal blemishes on your subject.

LIGHT

can't afford those silver umbrellas and light boxes? well, a lamp covered with gauze can give you a similar effects. works better with black and white film. don't leave it on there for too long though, unless you like to fight fires.

BACKGROUNDS

non-reflective photographic paper comes on a 20 or 30 foot roll, and it costs about $15. you can cut it, use it over and over, and it comes in a variety of colors. it's designed to use with a stand, but you can just roll it out and staple it to a wall.

SHOOTING

try to avoid shooting "center frame". imagine a 'tic-tac-toe' grid in your viewfinder, and put the subject in one of the outside boxes or along where the lines intersect. this is the "rule of thirds". use the lingo often, and impress your friends.

try to fill up the entire frame with your subject whenever possible.

be aware of your background, then focus on the subject. plugs, wires, trash, clutter- messes up your shot. move your subject, crop it out, or tidy up a bit. slobs.

BRACKETING

for the "must have" shot, shoot at the meter-recomended f-stop, then one above, then one below. when in doubt, bracket.


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109. "wow"
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and cosign on the holga..though i wish i had gotten the one sans flash.

do u have one? how do u keep the brackets on the sides? i read a site and the guy was really insistent that tightening with pliers works, but it didnt

  

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113. "one of these days i'm gonna get one"
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i bought an old twin reflex minolta for the medium format, but i don't use it much. i need to get a different lens for my enlarger. i plan to get a few just to keep em strategically placed, ya know?

>and cosign on the holga..though i wish i had gotten the one
>sans flash.

~~get another one. $13 bones.




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120. "its more like 20 bones in nyc"
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even at b&h

i bought an old minolta too! an automat right?

a knob broke and it needs to be cleaned. its being held hostage right now.

  

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122. "you yankees are getting screwed."
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>even at b&h

~~i don't know what b&h is, but they're screwin' ya. you gonna stand for that shit?

but for really, you can get em at freestyle photo (in the holga link) for 13 dolla. they have the ones sans flash, too...

>i bought an old minolta too! an automat right?

~~autocord. it's really cool.

>a knob broke and it needs to be cleaned. its being held
>hostage right now.

~~i say negotiate. and clean it. in that order.

~~you've come a long way since we chopped it up on this a while back... got your darkroom, medium formats, holgas & whatnot; i see you!

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127. "b&h is my price standard"
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for film and accessories only. because its the cheapest u can get in nyc..tri x for like 2.30 a roll and shit..

i use another spot as my standard for used. www.cametacamera.com

  

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130. "holga here.."
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http://www.theworkshops.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TMPR&Category_Code=h





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112. "yep."
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114. "What B/W Film has the LEAST amount of Grain"
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???

  

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117. "ILFORD..."
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..makes a nice B&W film that has tight grains. I can't remember the name of it though. But there are a lot of factors that go into what gives a print grain. From the shooting to the processing.

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115. "HOW DO YOU APPROACH SUBJECTS (PEOPLE)"
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without scarin them off

do you ask first?

hide, shoot and run?


  

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121. "this is subjective..."
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and for the most part depends on your personality, where you are and what's going on...

i don't like to run up on people, so i miss a lot of shots (you know, the ones you see all day in your head), or just ask em (sometimes), or at other times, just shoot away... depends. of course all this only matters when you're out and about...

*story time. i have some "for instance"'

jazzfest, new orleans. everybody there was drunk and high and very photogenic and beautiful. the over-all vibe screamed "take my picture!" so it was easy. same with the bob marley fest in houston. festivals are pretty much fair game in my opinion. get your photodocumetarian on...

i've shot parties where my assignment was to shoot the partyers partying, and my attitude for that was "by any means neccessary". piss on how they felt about it; a buck's a buck. same with weddings too...

among friends, i carry the camera around for a while, aim it at nothing randomly and constantly, but don't snap; kinda let them get used to it. eventually they stop thinking about it and you can shoot at will.

this is what works for *me* though. if you have a good enough zoom lens, all that stuff i just said is moot.
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128. "basically.."
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in as far as just seeing interesting people on the street...

sometimes you get the shot sometimes you dont.

its rather ballsy to just take random strangers photos in the middle of their everyday life which they may not want to share with your camera...

ive done it at times

the zoom lens can be your best friend at times





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129. "be honest"
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and ask as if they are doing you a favor (they are) and dont be skaarrred

*it is what it is*


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131. "It's difficult at first."
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I mean, if it's some kind of event like a parade, sometimes people understand that you're a photographer and won't say anything. If there's no real even going on and you see a nice photo opportunity, I think preparing a nice lil' speech can work. Something like...

Hi, I'm a photographer and I was interested in taking your picture. You don't have to do anything, just don't look into the camera.

The worst they could say is no.

But I admit, it's hard at first. I've done it so much now, trust, I have no qualms with taking pictures of strangers. I get rude with almost..ha ha. "What? No picture? Ha...whatever."

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116. "up"
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118. "uppage"
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119. "^"
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125. "don't let this fall, people"
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126. "Let's all flood the mod's inboxes for archival of this"
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132. "bump"
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