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"U.S. COVID-19 (Novel Coronavirus) Update Post"
Sat Feb-29-20 08:15 PM by Damali

          

Can this be the catchall?

Can folks post local updates from where they live?

Here's the John's Hopkins tracking map:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

And here's a reddit post from a guy from Brooklyn who says he came back from Japan a week ago, got sick and an NYC hospital declined to test him for Coronavirus and sent him home...he decided to self-quarantined at home.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fayko1/my_covid19_story_brooklyn/

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Washington state in a state of emergency
Feb 29th 2020
1
any idea of the testing plan for your state?
Feb 29th 2020
2
They're "hoping" to ramp up
Feb 29th 2020
3
then again i'm reading thing
Feb 29th 2020
4
      China welded and chained doors shut
Mar 01st 2020
6
South Korea tested 10,000 people today
Feb 29th 2020
5
looks like it’s been in Washington for a min now:
Mar 01st 2020
7
Yup just read that
Mar 01st 2020
8
100% anecdotal
Mar 01st 2020
9
It looks like Northshore School District is prepping to shutter.
Mar 02nd 2020
11
Man i was in lake Forest park today
Mar 02nd 2020
48
I'm in wa..Susan 'nem are going into full meltdown
Mar 03rd 2020
56
1st case confirmed in NY State:
Mar 01st 2020
10
In Manhattan.
Mar 02nd 2020
15
      yup a woman in her 30s
Mar 02nd 2020
17
why the FUCK are people buying all the the fckin toilet paper !!!??!!!?!
Mar 02nd 2020
12
in case we're all told to stay home for 2 weeks lol
Mar 02nd 2020
18
it was all gone in Aldis today - first time I have seen it since this po...
Mar 10th 2020
198
      it's nuts....annoying AND nuts...
Mar 12th 2020
283
just found out some folks in maryland are infected since January. so
Mar 02nd 2020
13
Since January?
Mar 02nd 2020
14
yep
Mar 02nd 2020
16
naw, China fucked everyone.
Mar 02nd 2020
19
actually 3 tested negative in MD
Mar 02nd 2020
30
I feel like the US media may be slightly over hyping this like they...
Mar 02nd 2020
20
definitely.
Mar 02nd 2020
21
TOILET PAPER gone.. fam...TOILET.PAPER.. WTF!?!
Mar 02nd 2020
22
Most people in the US don't own bidets, bruh.
Mar 02nd 2020
24
Japan probably has one of the best healthcare systems in the world
Mar 02nd 2020
23
Japan closed their schools for a month
Mar 02nd 2020
47
better than underhyping
Mar 03rd 2020
64
This aged poorly.
Mar 11th 2020
255
      a lot did, are you claiming a win?
Mar 12th 2020
272
           Just trying to get a laugh in a shitty situation bruh relax.
Mar 12th 2020
282
           if nothing else, its evidence of how often wrongheaded you are.
Mar 16th 2020
484
Costco was kinda nuts right now
Mar 02nd 2020
25
I dont get the water thing
Mar 02nd 2020
31
      i think it's more the possibility of being stuck indoors
Mar 02nd 2020
32
           Water will still run if one is stuck indoors.
Mar 02nd 2020
33
                sure but say you're confined to your house for 2 weeks
Mar 02nd 2020
34
                I have a Brita filter
Mar 02nd 2020
35
                     i don't have a filter, and tap water sucks in cali
Mar 02nd 2020
39
                In places like SoCal and the SW it makes sense
Mar 02nd 2020
36
5 confirmed deaths in Washington State
Mar 02nd 2020
26
make that 6...
Mar 02nd 2020
27
      LoL @ reply #20
Mar 02nd 2020
28
      Hold up. 4 of them in nursing homes?
Mar 02nd 2020
37
           4 from the SAME nursing home.
Mar 02nd 2020
40
           Definitely worries about my FIL who just had lung surgery
Mar 02nd 2020
49
                Bro, can you please grab some extra food for the house?
Mar 03rd 2020
54
                     man, real talk...
Mar 03rd 2020
57
           Yeah, that's another reason I'm not gonna panic
Mar 02nd 2020
41
                not that you should panic, but THEIR LIVES MATTER TOO
Mar 02nd 2020
42
                     right?
Mar 02nd 2020
43
                     You jumped way out to an incorrect conclusion...
Mar 02nd 2020
45
                          you right
Mar 02nd 2020
46
2 cases confirmed in the Tampa Bay area.
Mar 02nd 2020
29
Already spread around the country. I'd guess it's a 5-digit number...
Mar 02nd 2020
38
Yeah, I think the numbers are a lot more widespread than
Mar 02nd 2020
44
yo Philly.......
Mar 03rd 2020
51
we are treating this like china. there are more cases than they let on.
Mar 03rd 2020
52
2 folks confirmed in Atl have it.
Mar 03rd 2020
50
vp mike pence might have come into contact with the virus.
Mar 03rd 2020
53
*thoughts and prayers*
Mar 03rd 2020
55
damn
Mar 03rd 2020
60
stop making me laugh during the apolcalypse :\
Mar 03rd 2020
58
I will be praying for him....
Mar 03rd 2020
59
dont threaten me with a good time
Mar 03rd 2020
70
I don't get why sick mofos are still coming into work.
Mar 03rd 2020
61
This is infuriating
Mar 03rd 2020
62
      would help if carrot top stopped saying
Mar 03rd 2020
63
2 cases in New York State
Mar 03rd 2020
65
CLOSE THE FUCKING SCHOOLS YOU FUCKS!
Mar 03rd 2020
66
#DontTestDontTell
Mar 03rd 2020
67
First confirmed case in North Carolina (Wake County, link):
Mar 03rd 2020
68
patient in Wake came from the nursing home in Washington
Mar 04th 2020
75
      too close to home. person went to a restaurant, church, RDU, etc.
Mar 05th 2020
97
9 deaths
Mar 03rd 2020
69
I wonder if this is what the post would have looked like in the first da...
Mar 03rd 2020
71
Yup. Just like this.
Mar 04th 2020
80
Vietnam Coronavirus Pop Song
Mar 03rd 2020
72
Apple co-founder Woz thinks he is patient zero
Mar 03rd 2020
73
that host looks mad...porn actress-y. wtf.
Mar 03rd 2020
74
Woz ain't quite right anymore
Mar 04th 2020
81
don't watch youtube videos about stupid fucking tweets
Mar 05th 2020
84
Anyone having problems buying toilet paper and paper towels.
Mar 04th 2020
76
Nah. Grab what you need now man.
Mar 04th 2020
78
Patient under investigation for COVID-19 in Philadelphia
Mar 04th 2020
77
One confirmed case in Camden County
Mar 06th 2020
102
same across the board
Mar 06th 2020
104
Tampa coronavirus patient says CDC didn't take her seriously (swipe)
Mar 04th 2020
79
11 dead including first death in California
Mar 04th 2020
82
tonight they shut down my kid's school district for 2 weeks.
Mar 05th 2020
83
wow...so are you staying home too or you have help?
Mar 06th 2020
103
The coronavirus spread in NY in less than 48 hours from
Mar 05th 2020
85
im surprised there isnt more activity around atlanta.
Mar 05th 2020
86
"Novel" means "never seen before"
Mar 05th 2020
87
exactly. SARS & MURS are also corona...this strain is new.
Mar 05th 2020
88
      New Jersey has its first confirmed case today
Mar 05th 2020
89
Must be nice to be wealthy rich to avoid a virus outbreak
Mar 05th 2020
90
Don't forget the isolated land that many probably own
Mar 05th 2020
91
oh word, phuck being in solitary confinement while I sip this
Mar 05th 2020
93
i never get this take.
Mar 05th 2020
92
im not hating, i would do the exact samething if I was jeff bezos
Mar 05th 2020
94
      me too. if you have the means to protect yourself, why not?
Mar 05th 2020
95
There's a good chance there's no escaping this long term.
Mar 06th 2020
98
      right because people that have all that still have employees and staff.....
Mar 06th 2020
101
Coronavirus patient recovers treated with HIV drug
Mar 05th 2020
96
is this story real? is the MSM scamming us?
Mar 06th 2020
105
      I don't know
Mar 06th 2020
106
      they've definitely tried retrovirals in treatment in China
Mar 06th 2020
109
           word. that part did actually make sense...
Mar 06th 2020
112
                all the later updates I saw suggested it didn't really work
Mar 09th 2020
148
this virus hates men
Mar 06th 2020
99
Seems fair.
Mar 06th 2020
108
2020 would bring the cancel culture virus
Mar 06th 2020
110
      *snicker*
Mar 06th 2020
111
      times up (c)
Mar 06th 2020
114
this atlantic article is sobering
Mar 06th 2020
100
sxsw cancelled
Mar 06th 2020
107
This was an overreaction
Mar 07th 2020
116
not in a country that isn't adequately testing people
Mar 07th 2020
119
No, it’s not really like that
Mar 07th 2020
128
maybe you dont know that much about SXSW
Mar 08th 2020
130
*insert bugs bunny "no" meme*
Mar 09th 2020
134
Man. I don’t think you grasp what SXSW is like
Mar 09th 2020
147
I just found out that they're refusing refunds to the thousands who
Mar 11th 2020
226
government are some idiots. making a perfect storm for transmission.
Mar 06th 2020
113
right now *our* mortality rate is 2-3x the global avg.
Mar 06th 2020
115
      that mortality rate is driven by the denominator
Mar 07th 2020
118
           right, our mortality rate is way overstated...
Mar 07th 2020
122
           the issue is that not testing is hastening the spread. each infected
Mar 07th 2020
125
           ah good points.
Mar 07th 2020
126
                possible. but i don't think so. look at the curve we've been on since
Mar 09th 2020
152
wife's job handed out 1st aid kits yesterday
Mar 07th 2020
117
How Bad is the Corona Virus? Let's Run the Numbers (Swipe)
Mar 07th 2020
120
Stanford just cancelled in person classes for the rest of the quarter.
Mar 07th 2020
121
U of Washington already did.
Mar 08th 2020
129
it's going to be a problem when people get fed up with quarantines
Mar 07th 2020
123
Low key reminds me of that Chris Rock joke about being blind
Mar 07th 2020
124
      lol
Mar 07th 2020
127
They just closed my office (NYC).
Mar 09th 2020
131
i have an educated guess :) only cuz i know someone else
Mar 09th 2020
142
View from the other side of the world
Mar 09th 2020
132
My theory... it’s been here for a while we just didn’t test for it.
Mar 09th 2020
133
define a while...bc...the impact on nursing homes
Mar 09th 2020
135
3 to 6 months
Mar 09th 2020
136
i agree with this... it's been here for a minute..
Mar 09th 2020
137
they think it's been in Washington state
Mar 09th 2020
138
YUP.
Mar 09th 2020
141
It’s here in San Antonio too
Mar 09th 2020
145
i agree
Mar 09th 2020
149
yeah, seems like everyone in my circle
Mar 09th 2020
150
"We out-chea!" - Coronavirus
Mar 10th 2020
161
NY Port Authority Head Tests Positive For Coronavirus
Mar 09th 2020
139
Add Louisiana to the list (swipe). We just had Mardi Gras so it was...
Mar 09th 2020
140
fulton county schools closing for tomorow to clean the
Mar 09th 2020
143
The shitty Outbreak/Contagion parody continues (CPAC fall-out)
Mar 09th 2020
144
imagine these people if Obama was president
Mar 09th 2020
146
One of my neighbors works at Biogen
Mar 09th 2020
151
Oof
Mar 09th 2020
153
Thanks player
Mar 09th 2020
154
Please tell your mom I’m thinking of her.
Mar 09th 2020
155
I wish her and you the best.
Mar 10th 2020
160
so if I have theater tickets in NYC this weekend...
Mar 10th 2020
156
I went to the theatre a week ago
Mar 10th 2020
159
just go.
Mar 10th 2020
164
No way I'd go to the theater, or any other large gatherings right now
Mar 10th 2020
166
Everyone should be staying home. I hope you do too.
Mar 10th 2020
168
DON'T GO.
Mar 10th 2020
173
should we go to work or nah?
Mar 10th 2020
180
      you need to go to work to make money
Mar 10th 2020
189
           You realize that all the other stuff is work for someone
Mar 11th 2020
203
                This is my worry.
Mar 11th 2020
217
                     Yep...i hear you
Mar 11th 2020
231
Cuomo made your decision for you today, effective tomorrow
Mar 12th 2020
325
      Yeah, I saw. The theater is automatically refunding.
Mar 13th 2020
354
the US is short 300,000 ICU beds
Mar 10th 2020
157
I see a lot of people saying right now that it's all media hype
Mar 10th 2020
158
we need to skip media talking heads.
Mar 10th 2020
193
The American “experiment” has been a disaster
Mar 10th 2020
162
my coworker warned me this morning that my officemate is sick
Mar 10th 2020
163
Less worried now than 3/4 weeks ago.
Mar 10th 2020
165
Bruh, this ain't the flu. This is SARS Lite.
Mar 10th 2020
167
Entire country of Italy under quarantine / lockdown
Mar 10th 2020
169
CANCEL EVERYTHING! (the atlantic, swipe)
Mar 10th 2020
170
extreme and irrational response
Mar 10th 2020
171
      IT ISN'T. that dumb response is why Italy is in the shit its in
Mar 10th 2020
172
      but work is ok?
Mar 10th 2020
182
           If one can work from home. Otherwise, it's time for the .gov to bail us ...
Mar 10th 2020
184
                how does that work?
Mar 10th 2020
186
                     the same way it worked for the banks
Mar 10th 2020
187
                          THIS.
Mar 10th 2020
190
                          How does it work for banks? They shut down?
Mar 10th 2020
191
                               you forgot about 2008 stimulus packages?
Mar 10th 2020
192
                                    Huh? My question was how does it work if no one goes to work?
Mar 10th 2020
196
                                         You're being dense.
Mar 11th 2020
220
                                              yeah bruh i get all of that. If you get a check from the gov't, other th...
Mar 11th 2020
235
                                                   you can’t not buy food
Mar 16th 2020
487
      i don't get what the big deal is about staying in the house
Mar 10th 2020
177
      fam, now is not the time to troll.
Mar 10th 2020
188
SO, I got TWO 10mile races in April...should I pass or nah?
Mar 10th 2020
174
Bike races?
Mar 10th 2020
176
foot races
Mar 10th 2020
183
      I would skip those, honestly.
Mar 11th 2020
206
      Speaking of foot races and COVID-19
Mar 11th 2020
207
           Yeah, i'm quite surprised how little impact it's had on the local scene
Mar 11th 2020
216
           Best of luck.
Mar 12th 2020
275
           Oh dammit, I didn't even think about Penn
Mar 11th 2020
238
                Since I imagine it's a lot of moving parts
Mar 12th 2020
274
If they are held
Mar 10th 2020
181
1st one is in a few weeks, Cherry Blossom 10mile...it's 20K participants
Mar 10th 2020
185
Canceled
Mar 15th 2020
470
im worries this could influence voter turnout...
Mar 10th 2020
175
Right? As if this election season hasn't been crazy enough.
Mar 10th 2020
178
me too which is why i wish everything could be cancelled NOW
Mar 10th 2020
179
I got forwarded a doctor to doctor correspondence:
Mar 10th 2020
194
aren’t they proving everyone COULD get Medicare
Mar 10th 2020
195
yes they are. smart pol would justify some blanket level of care as part
Mar 10th 2020
197
      sorry, this made me LOL IRL
Mar 11th 2020
209
I think my classes are all gonna get moved online
Mar 10th 2020
199
Sorry to hear about the large amount of work/energy/time
Mar 10th 2020
200
      Thanks, boss
Mar 10th 2020
201
           I feel you homie, let that shit out
Mar 10th 2020
202
We need to have a plan for our kids...
Mar 11th 2020
204
Well it's in my immediate vicinity now (kinda)
Mar 11th 2020
205
WHO says its pandemic
Mar 11th 2020
208
SF bans large crowds incl. Warriors gms for 2 wks because of coronavirus
Mar 11th 2020
210
Washington banned these in King, Snohomish and Pierce counties.
Mar 11th 2020
211
      yeah that's the crazy part...
Mar 11th 2020
213
           my friend owns 3 bars, one of which is arguably the most active...
Mar 11th 2020
214
                wow that hurts, but on another level I think about the employees...
Mar 11th 2020
218
                     oh for sure. my other friend is his head of security.
Mar 11th 2020
221
                          not to mention hourly people and those who depend on tips...
Mar 11th 2020
222
                               ^^^^
Mar 11th 2020
223
The new spin on coronavirus is pretty disgusting
Mar 11th 2020
212
They canceled the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo
Mar 11th 2020
215
I was going tonight...
Mar 11th 2020
219
So my head of HR is a Fox News Loving Trump Supporter who thinks
Mar 11th 2020
224
Does he also think Italy's quarantine is part of the act?
Mar 11th 2020
225
other countries aren't real to people like that
Mar 11th 2020
227
unfortunately we'll have to wait until it gets much worse
Mar 11th 2020
228
Chairman of our board swooped in and shut the office down
Mar 12th 2020
278
trump orders govt to keep coronavirus meetings classified smh
Mar 11th 2020
229
all he cares about are the markets.
Mar 11th 2020
230
No fans for March madness
Mar 11th 2020
232
yall hear that tin foil malanin prone are immune theory? lol
Mar 11th 2020
233
that's a new one
Mar 11th 2020
234
seems fair
Mar 11th 2020
236
edit: melanin
Mar 11th 2020
237
tom hanks got it. theory over
Mar 11th 2020
257
lol
Mar 12th 2020
270
I had the same thought
Mar 13th 2020
356
Those are some pretty socialist ideas. Trump is a socialist it seems.
Mar 11th 2020
239
Did Trump say anything about increased testing?
Mar 11th 2020
240
He doesn't want to mess his numbers up
Mar 11th 2020
249
No travel from Europe to the US?!?!
Mar 11th 2020
241
apparently it's foreign nationals only, for certains countries
Mar 11th 2020
258
How is it possible that a prepared statement abt policy is so unclear? l...
Mar 11th 2020
261
Dude has one trick in his bag.
Mar 12th 2020
267
Well THAT was reassuring.
Mar 11th 2020
242
At the end his face looked like: "Oh god...please don't let me sneeze"
Mar 11th 2020
243
Yeah it did seem like something was going on
Mar 11th 2020
245
Hasn't he been like that forever though?
Mar 11th 2020
250
He has.
Mar 11th 2020
252
I'm pretty sure he didn't know what he was saying as he read it
Mar 12th 2020
266
he looked like a hostage
Mar 12th 2020
284
      I'm sure he did a looooooooot of coke in the 80's.
Mar 12th 2020
326
Trump gonna toss rolls of toilet paper to people or nah?
Mar 11th 2020
244
The NBA has shut down!!!
Mar 11th 2020
246
uh, they're not suspending because of Rudy lol
Mar 11th 2020
251
      *shrug* Just reporting what's in the news
Mar 11th 2020
253
           it's the impetus, for sure, but they were gonna do it soon anyway
Mar 11th 2020
254
Tom Hanks and Rita
Mar 11th 2020
247
every time i hear trump speak i hate white people.
Mar 11th 2020
248
All this over a liberal hoax ?! Hard to believe.
Mar 11th 2020
256
Dow futures down more than 1,000pts
Mar 11th 2020
259
BUT UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT AN ALL-TIME LOW!!!
Mar 11th 2020
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      SHIT, IT'S ABOUT TO BE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH...
Mar 12th 2020
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this mutherfucker
Mar 11th 2020
260
He's a despicable human being.
Mar 11th 2020
263
meanwhile, China is slowly coming out of their 2 month quarantine
Mar 11th 2020
264
I don't believe anything China is saying. Y'all shouldn't either....
Mar 12th 2020
269
this might be trumps 9/11.
Mar 12th 2020
265
when they write the story about how american civilization collapsed
Mar 12th 2020
268
we deserve whatever's coming
Mar 12th 2020
271
      what's this WE shit???!
Mar 12th 2020
279
           Right? I think T Reynolds is white.
Mar 12th 2020
280
           nah bro. But if that makes you feel better go ahead
Mar 12th 2020
285
           I'm just echoing the sentiment of this tweet. We are in a bad
Mar 12th 2020
287
           Never take ownership of something you had no hand in......
Mar 12th 2020
288
                Our culture is pretty fucked up. That's all I'm saying
Mar 12th 2020
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                     The reality is that humankind in general is fcked up in many aspects...b...
Mar 12th 2020
294
                          True true. The tweet was about the decline of our civilization
Mar 12th 2020
295
                               I just want us all to go out with our heads held high!
Mar 12th 2020
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                                    *snaps off crisp salute*
Mar 12th 2020
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           when they write the book it's not gonna say "Americans, except FLUIDJ"
Mar 12th 2020
303
                lol...
Mar 12th 2020
305
Oh and they're still cutting SNAP benefits for 700,000 on April 1.
Mar 12th 2020
273
This is outside the scope of this thread of course
Mar 12th 2020
277
Judge Blocks Rule That Would Have Kicked 700,000 People Off SNAP
Mar 15th 2020
474
stay well Biden/Sanders
Mar 12th 2020
276
Digging mass graves in Iran
Mar 12th 2020
281
Tax breaks, bailouts? Socialism is bad tho, right?
Mar 12th 2020
286
you took my post.
Mar 12th 2020
290
smh base
Mar 12th 2020
291
they care more about the economic response than the medical/health one.
Mar 12th 2020
292
Republicans Want Medicare for All, but Just for This One Disease (swipe)...
Mar 12th 2020
293
great piece. a interdependent human needs-based worldview
Mar 12th 2020
300
We can’t let this turn into 2008-9
Mar 12th 2020
321
Thats what Im saying
Mar 12th 2020
296
My kissing Booth stock is way down
Mar 12th 2020
299
when I made this post on 2/29, there were 66 Covid-19 cases here
Mar 12th 2020
301
Yea the curve being so exponential is what's alarming.
Mar 12th 2020
304
Damn..Cancel Culture done got SOCIETY
Mar 12th 2020
306
my job wants us to alternate work from home every 3 days...
Mar 12th 2020
311
we just had a call to WFH the rest of March
Mar 12th 2020
319
S Korea is up to almost 20k tested per day
Mar 12th 2020
344
What even is the testing protocol?
Mar 12th 2020
307
Why? Most places don't even have the capabilities to test.
Mar 12th 2020
309
our health dept said MARCH 23
Mar 12th 2020
323
i think you call the CDC and they tell you where to go.
Mar 12th 2020
310
Seems like the Johns Hopkins site is down. WTH? n/m
Mar 12th 2020
308
yeah i thought it was just me...damn
Mar 12th 2020
312
UNC school system only doing remote classes...
Mar 12th 2020
313
Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills(link):
Mar 12th 2020
314
there definitely should be a hold on bills
Mar 12th 2020
315
yeah right lol...
Mar 12th 2020
317
they're starting to take measures like that in Europe
Mar 12th 2020
330
Omaha's power and water utilities won't cut power for late fees
Mar 13th 2020
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I'm officially concerned my place of business is going to close
Mar 13th 2020
372
Biben's response definitely sounds more presidential than all of Trumps ...
Mar 12th 2020
316
I appreciate Cuomo’s updates for NYS...
Mar 12th 2020
318
Trump's go to response of "It's possible" is the worst in these situatio...
Mar 12th 2020
320
hold on LOL you can actually catch this shit TWICE?
Mar 12th 2020
322
Call this shit Bébé's Virus.....
Mar 12th 2020
324
yes, just like you can get a cold, flu, or pneumonia multiple times.
Mar 12th 2020
328
it's unknown. they suspect a lot of people who were "cured"
Mar 12th 2020
339
mod note: avoid sensationalized news
Mar 12th 2020
327
damn that shit prolly look like resident evil over there.
Mar 12th 2020
331
Old images, but look at the pollution images pre vs post:
Mar 12th 2020
332
peep
Mar 12th 2020
336
should i still go to the strip club?
Mar 12th 2020
329
if you gotta catch it somehow
Mar 12th 2020
343
No March Madness
Mar 12th 2020
333
Dr Anthony Fauci...please pick up the white courtesy phone
Mar 12th 2020
334
...and just like that, he was gone... (c)
Mar 24th 2020
670
joe biden looked like a real president in his address.
Mar 12th 2020
335
sigh
Mar 12th 2020
337
King/Snohomish/Pierce counties in WA order to close all schools...
Mar 12th 2020
338
What’s the workload like/child’s age?
Mar 12th 2020
341
      she's 11...5th grade.
Mar 12th 2020
342
           Thanks
Mar 13th 2020
350
                UPDATE: well, your your point about King County...
Mar 13th 2020
375
                     I’d hope to see community groups work out options
Mar 13th 2020
382
Congresswoman Katie Porter just FLAMBE'd the CDC head.
Mar 12th 2020
340
San Diego stores are being mobbed
Mar 12th 2020
345
i went to the store after work for milk and a salad..
Mar 12th 2020
346
same shit in Houston
Mar 12th 2020
347
Yes they are, my wife went to Mission Valley Costco tonight
Mar 12th 2020
348
i put in a $100 order for walmart delivery.
Mar 13th 2020
351
I've had to go to Costco in La twice this week for the pharmacy
Mar 13th 2020
352
I saw photos on social media last night
Mar 13th 2020
362
this feels like the 9/11 post, in slow motion.
Mar 12th 2020
349
yup and every day the plane gets closer to hitting the building
Mar 16th 2020
483
Trudeau's wife
Mar 13th 2020
353
optics.. same reason we wont know if trump has it till he's gone..
Mar 13th 2020
360
Took a shared Lyft as my boss doesn't want us on the train
Mar 13th 2020
355
i would hate to be a doctor who has to play gawd at this time.
Mar 13th 2020
357
lmao. we putting up Biden to replace these bums
Mar 13th 2020
358
where did this money come from?
Mar 13th 2020
359
^^^^
Mar 13th 2020
361
LOL I literally sent this exact tweet last nite.
Mar 13th 2020
373
it's 1000% tax money
Mar 13th 2020
383
If I was Bern, I’d crunch the numbers on where
Mar 13th 2020
363
This post is stupid as FUCK
Mar 13th 2020
374
look, motherfucker. Did you see this dude's town hall
Mar 14th 2020
441
marginal improvement?
Mar 13th 2020
419
      You can read, right? It said MARGINAL.
Mar 14th 2020
442
Trump Admin Blocks States from Using Medicaid to Respond to Corona Virus
Mar 13th 2020
364
the republican party is a death cult.
Mar 13th 2020
367
how vile and low can you go
Mar 13th 2020
376
      Just remember, there is no bottom.
Mar 13th 2020
379
Brazil Pres. Bolsonaro tests positive
Mar 13th 2020
365
Sounds like he's smarter than Trump
Mar 13th 2020
366
He's def being tested, and he's def lying
Mar 13th 2020
370
the 2 brazilian folks around trump for the visit tested poz.
Mar 13th 2020
368
miami mayor tests poz after event with brazil prez bolsonaro.
Mar 13th 2020
380
australias home affairs minister (who met with ivanka) tested poz.
Mar 13th 2020
369
Well if Ivanka has it then Trump definitely does
Mar 13th 2020
377
Trump's budget director stands by plan to cut CDC budget by 15 percent
Mar 13th 2020
371
Sorry i LOL'd at this
Mar 13th 2020
378
You should be sorry because it's mindless and misleading.
Mar 13th 2020
387
      i agree with you 100% but i still let out a Ha (c)Matthews
Mar 13th 2020
388
      I'm sorry bro. Shit's funny though.
Mar 13th 2020
389
      I don't get it?
Mar 13th 2020
390
      hold on so you agreed with the guy on bottom then
Mar 13th 2020
391
           No
Mar 13th 2020
396
      You know what. You're right. Because then you see something like
Mar 13th 2020
393
louisiana postpones next months primary due to coronavirus concerns.
Mar 13th 2020
381
is it unreasonable to worry about november?
Mar 13th 2020
384
LOL I had the *exact* same thought.
Mar 13th 2020
385
The smart thing would be to allow mail-in for everybody
Mar 13th 2020
386
you already know theyre looking for ways to cancel the election.
Mar 13th 2020
394
RE: is it unreasonable to worry about november?
Mar 13th 2020
395
      LOL yep. That map was jarring as fuck.
Mar 13th 2020
397
      yall remember that russian virus lab that blew up?
Mar 13th 2020
405
      0 cases in greenland
Mar 13th 2020
415
uk is delaying local & mayoral elections for a year.
Mar 13th 2020
392
      Yep. This is his chance. And you know he will seize it.
Mar 13th 2020
398
      free tacos?
Mar 13th 2020
399
           lolz
Mar 13th 2020
400
           or at least chalupas.
Mar 13th 2020
402
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xSV-BO4ILY
Mar 13th 2020
404
K-12 Schools are being closed indefinitely.
Mar 13th 2020
403
schools are extending spring break here until the end of the month
Mar 13th 2020
407
i feel sorry for yall parents who gotta spend time with your kids now.
Mar 13th 2020
411
      im worried for folks with young kids who cant get time off from work
Mar 13th 2020
416
this motherfucker
Mar 13th 2020
406
what happened? i had the news on but
Mar 13th 2020
408
i dont see how anybody could listen to this dude talk
Mar 13th 2020
409
every time he speaks Costco gets more crowded
Mar 13th 2020
414
low priority this week but I'm curious
Mar 13th 2020
417
he wishes so bad he was home tweeting how hillary is fucking this up
Mar 13th 2020
410
Yeah that press conference was REALLY Bad.
Mar 13th 2020
412
I hate it...
Mar 13th 2020
413
lol @ I think it’s a nasty question...
Mar 13th 2020
418
      anytime a black woman confronts him
Mar 13th 2020
421
watching world leaders, politicians & corporate leaders.
Mar 13th 2020
420
bruh this is the ONLY thing fun about it!
Mar 13th 2020
428
Tacoma, Wa WinCo was like everyone was playing Supermarket Sweep
Mar 13th 2020
422
we almost went to a Winco near us (Lynnwood)...
Mar 13th 2020
430
      Wassup fellow Washingtonian
Mar 14th 2020
451
make your final amazon pantry orders tonight folks...
Mar 13th 2020
423
omG, damn near every NPR story, all my personal emails,
Mar 13th 2020
424
you have no idea what's coming and its sad.
Mar 15th 2020
463
ur Condescension aside. U were right. This really has changed
Mar 18th 2020
553
One person, who refused to be tested and instead went to church and a bu...
Mar 15th 2020
475
There were 254 deaths in the Italy within 24 fucking hours.
Mar 13th 2020
425
see this is the shit i hate. these numbers need CONTEXT.
Mar 13th 2020
432
      why is Italy being hit so hard (link)
Mar 13th 2020
435
      RE: see this is the shit i hate. these numbers need CONTEXT.
Mar 13th 2020
438
prediction: Trump resigns behind this, citing undisclosed health reasons...
Mar 13th 2020
426
i love this prediction. I think its valid. *fingers crossed*
Mar 13th 2020
429
RE: prediction: Trump resigns behind this, citing undisclosed health rea...
Mar 13th 2020
431
he should be removed
Mar 14th 2020
443
Trump will NEVER give up power
Mar 14th 2020
444
Oh pray to whoever the fuck you pray to.
Mar 13th 2020
436
nightmare scenario indeed lol
Mar 14th 2020
450
      Damn that's fucked up. They should be ex friends, lol.
Mar 14th 2020
454
           lol yeah
Mar 14th 2020
455
                Yea I hear you for sure.
Mar 14th 2020
456
I'd be happy if that were the case
Mar 15th 2020
469
Social Isolation - for the first time I am proud of my weekend plans
Mar 13th 2020
427
GOOD NEWS
Mar 13th 2020
433
Did you guys watch Counterpart on Starz? ... this got me think about it
Mar 13th 2020
434
shutdowns could last '8 weeks or more' - top health official
Mar 13th 2020
437
lots of people are gonna die from this. fuck.
Mar 14th 2020
439
...and here come my allergies...
Mar 14th 2020
440
rnc chairwoman tested after feeling sick
Mar 14th 2020
445
Is RBG in her bunker yet?
Mar 14th 2020
446
THIS.
Mar 14th 2020
447
He tested negative, sorry y'all
Mar 14th 2020
448
I don't trust him and his doctors
Mar 14th 2020
449
me either!
Mar 14th 2020
452
This.
Mar 14th 2020
453
them niggas lying.
Mar 15th 2020
458
and you're gullible AF if you believe that.
Mar 15th 2020
473
interesting post circulating on FB, breaking down the math
Mar 15th 2020
457
excellent article. problem is we're only as good as what everyone else
Mar 15th 2020
465
elon musk gotta answer for this:
Mar 15th 2020
459
Why Outbreaks Like Corona Spread Exponentially and How to Flatten the Cu...
Mar 15th 2020
460
the 'unintended' consequence of hyper-partisanship
Mar 15th 2020
461
China is not fucking around.
Mar 15th 2020
462
Yep all that plus Nunes is being Nunes
Mar 15th 2020
472
in the middle of a pandemic...trump is focused on...a flynn pardon.
Mar 15th 2020
464
Just about every tribally owned casino in SoCal
Mar 15th 2020
466
oh shit my man's family is part of Pala
Mar 16th 2020
490
No testing kits at any Indian Health Clinics (IHC) in San Diego
Mar 15th 2020
467
So will they transport to San Diego?
Mar 16th 2020
512
Ohio's GOP governor > 45*
Mar 15th 2020
468
this is the way
Mar 15th 2020
471
RE: Ohio's GOP governor > 45*
Mar 15th 2020
476
those ft lauderdale spring break videos are fuckin infuriating
Mar 15th 2020
477
walmart in my area completely shut down pickup/delivery.
Mar 16th 2020
478
keri hilson has weighed in:
Mar 16th 2020
479
no Keri no.
Mar 16th 2020
480
welp, 2 cases showed up in my city over the weekend
Mar 16th 2020
481
they've been there for weeks. the data says there are likely many more
Mar 16th 2020
482
      for sure
Mar 16th 2020
485
           that's excellent...most cities waited till after there were cases
Mar 16th 2020
486
           San Antonio Mayor has not at all been leading.
Mar 16th 2020
491
           NC gov stepped in to save us from the Charlotte school district.
Mar 16th 2020
488
WA State closes all bars and restaurants.
Mar 16th 2020
489
texas being texas
Mar 16th 2020
492
All but WV as of yesterday
Mar 16th 2020
494
      No one goes to WV.. and no one leaves WV
Mar 16th 2020
496
Stringer Bell tested positive
Mar 16th 2020
493
Bay Area - "Shelter in Place" til 4/7 SWIPE
Mar 16th 2020
495
this will be nation wide very soon.. What a time to be alive :(
Mar 16th 2020
497
So every state is on its own regarding respirators?
Mar 16th 2020
498
we are in the worst twilight zone episode
Mar 16th 2020
500
Everything is terrible
Mar 16th 2020
499
seems Trump may have finally grasped the urgency of the situation
Mar 16th 2020
501
optic wise he looks better today
Mar 16th 2020
502
it's a low bar, but yeah
Mar 16th 2020
503
      yuup that's the one part i saw where i wish Fauci batman slapped him
Mar 16th 2020
504
For sure. He had a totally different tone. Still passing blame around...
Mar 16th 2020
507
What did Trump do that was different ?
Mar 16th 2020
508
lmao I highly doubt it was one of his dumb, obsequious kids that did it
Mar 16th 2020
510
being able to read the room is one of his few actual abilities
Mar 16th 2020
511
apparently clinical trials just started
Mar 16th 2020
505
SWIZZY (not beats):
Mar 16th 2020
506
RE: apparently clinical trials just started
Mar 16th 2020
509
Amazon hiring 100k workers & raising pay +$2/hr through end of April
Mar 16th 2020
513
media really tryna sell us on the trump presidential pivot again.
Mar 17th 2020
514
It's fucking disgusting.
Mar 17th 2020
516
fam look at this goofy ass shit:
Mar 17th 2020
519
      jesus.. they're so pathetic
Mar 17th 2020
521
      My new reply to his base: “uh huh. And how does his dick taste?”
Mar 17th 2020
526
now you see how they do.
Mar 17th 2020
536
there needs to be criminal charges against this administration
Mar 17th 2020
515
Good luck with all that.
Mar 17th 2020
517
where are all the "exaggerating!" accusers now?
Mar 17th 2020
518
If these extreme measures are effective, they'll be gloating
Mar 17th 2020
527
this is too eerie
Mar 17th 2020
520
damn thats one hell of a coincidence
Mar 17th 2020
522
wtf
Mar 17th 2020
523
Dean Koontz is the infinite number of monkeys
Mar 17th 2020
524
wut
Mar 17th 2020
532
Im at work :-/ they don't value the IT department as human beings here
Mar 17th 2020
525
I’m in the same boat, I making sure everyone else can work from home
Mar 17th 2020
531
Yep! The laptop tree is in bloom. People saying things like ...
Mar 17th 2020
538
      Why can't they just take the mini desktops home?
Mar 18th 2020
560
           Network Administrator says it’s going to be a disaster getting
Mar 18th 2020
568
same. fortune 500 company. titan in the banking industry
Mar 17th 2020
534
      We have been discussing telling people to take their little Dell mini's ...
Mar 17th 2020
539
To all the "only 1% death rate, the flu kills more people" morons....
Mar 17th 2020
528
we need to nationalize manufacturing to produce PPE, ventilators and
Mar 17th 2020
529
yep, pretty much
Mar 17th 2020
530
And we'll never do it. We'd be proving Bernie right.
Mar 17th 2020
545
Flight Controllers at Midway Airport test positive.
Mar 17th 2020
533
my dad flew last Friday and flew back yesterday, smh
Mar 17th 2020
535
      One of my best friends is this guy.
Mar 17th 2020
541
           smh. And now he’s inviting a bunch of family over for pizza today
Mar 22nd 2020
646
the world is upside down.
Mar 17th 2020
537
I agree but at the same time am fearful as fuck that ...
Mar 17th 2020
542
      in all reality.. if we get an ONLINE election going by november...
Mar 18th 2020
546
      So risky. Guess in person elections are too but still.
Mar 18th 2020
550
      if there's no election, Trump's term expires. Period.
Mar 20th 2020
616
           Ha um you may have a wee bit too much faith in our institutions.
Mar 20th 2020
619
How would the proposed government “cash stimulus” actually work?
Mar 17th 2020
540
Who knows but it sounds like it’s going to on some Oprah you get a car
Mar 17th 2020
544
      which is why means testing the stimulus is a losing proposition
Mar 18th 2020
547
This has been a long month!
Mar 17th 2020
543
there's no way this country can control over 300 million americans
Mar 18th 2020
548
These people will unwittingly be the guinea pigs for the virus
Mar 18th 2020
551
martial law comin
Mar 18th 2020
570
Edit: Daycare down the street from ours had a possible exposure.
Mar 18th 2020
549
my city is stepping up
Mar 18th 2020
552
We’re not going back to normal - MIT Technology Review
Mar 18th 2020
554
we won't get back to "normal" until there's a vaccine for all [LINK]
Mar 18th 2020
555
good read
Mar 18th 2020
556
      i mean, there will always be another virus
Mar 18th 2020
557
           My friend, a science professor, had an interesting take on this.
Mar 18th 2020
558
                which is exactly why i refuse to live the rest of my life in the US.
Mar 18th 2020
559
                Felt.
Mar 18th 2020
561
                not even mad at you.
Mar 21st 2020
635
                Thats an interesting take
Mar 18th 2020
562
                my question though (and i'm no scientist, obviously)...
Mar 18th 2020
563
                     Haha yea I'm not sure either.
Mar 18th 2020
565
                     That immunity fades.
Mar 18th 2020
566
                          that sounds correct to my dumb ass. lol.
Mar 18th 2020
567
                they found the age old chlymydia in the arctic recently
Mar 18th 2020
571
Hint: same goes for the election.
Mar 18th 2020
564
this is like a science fiction novel. that imperial college study from t...
Mar 18th 2020
569
Yeah. NBC interviewed an expert italian doctor, who was
Mar 18th 2020
572
      Man
Mar 19th 2020
574
How does this sending checks to everyone work?
Mar 18th 2020
573
Conspiracy theory: The US Census
Mar 19th 2020
584
It's where I live!
Mar 19th 2020
575
apparently young people are more susceptible than we thought.
Mar 19th 2020
576
personally....I think this is more propaganda than anything...but i'm do...
Mar 19th 2020
577
agreed
Mar 19th 2020
579
I've heard conflicting reports on this.
Mar 19th 2020
578
Dutch papers were reporting many IC patients under 50
Mar 19th 2020
582
      Yeah, anyone who says "I can go on as usual because it doesn't effect me...
Mar 19th 2020
585
The binning on that is bizarre.
Mar 19th 2020
583
Testing in the US is so bad
Mar 19th 2020
588
I don't know about anybody else, but...
Mar 19th 2020
580
So apparently Ammunation is doing well.
Mar 19th 2020
581
a food shortage and medication is being rationed for the elites
Mar 19th 2020
589
Senator Burr Recorded Telling Group Of Donors COVID19 More Serious Than ...
Mar 19th 2020
586
Everyone following this from early knows that it's more serious...
Mar 19th 2020
587
Not everyone but I get your point.
Mar 19th 2020
591
      I get your point. Clearly not "everyone" even with CLEAR info...
Mar 19th 2020
595
           Yep.
Mar 19th 2020
606
He unloaded stocks in mid-February before coronavirus rocked markets
Mar 19th 2020
602
      Damn putting people in danger is not enough
Mar 19th 2020
605
           #republicansaretrash, always.
Mar 19th 2020
607
Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalization
Mar 19th 2020
590
So...my wife and I may have it.
Mar 19th 2020
592
I'm not trying to make light of your situation at all
Mar 19th 2020
594
Yeah it seems pretty random. I think the reason though is she
Mar 19th 2020
597
how uncomfortable is the test?
Mar 19th 2020
599
Very uncomfortable for me, I’m a wimp though.
Mar 19th 2020
603
      i had seen a picture showing that
Mar 19th 2020
604
      yeah they take swabs for flu sometimes too
Mar 19th 2020
609
      ahh thanks. get well, fam
Mar 20th 2020
613
I hope you got the mildest case of it possible
Mar 20th 2020
610
We *added* Iran sanctions
Mar 19th 2020
593
Gross.
Mar 19th 2020
608
US jails begin releasing prisoners to stem Covid-19 infections
Mar 19th 2020
596
Some interesting vids about coronavirus origins/zoonotic jumps:
Mar 19th 2020
598
Bruh, this came out of a lab. Occam's Razor to a tee.
Mar 19th 2020
600
      Lol, I'm not a bruh I'm a sis. Anyway, your lab theory is compelling...
Mar 19th 2020
601
Hawaii hit 26 cases today
Mar 20th 2020
611
without accurate testing numbers, the reported case numbers are inaccura...
Mar 20th 2020
618
I guess this motherfucker's just gonna call it 'the Chinese virus' now.
Mar 20th 2020
612
it's his move. he wants the media to focus on it so he can play victim
Mar 20th 2020
614
How on earth do you figure that ?!
Mar 20th 2020
620
      this is the first thing that affects everyone
Mar 20th 2020
624
           I don't share in your optimism but I hope you're right.
Mar 20th 2020
625
           I hope he doesn't come back from this.
Mar 22nd 2020
652
this + the lip service given to UBI = backdoor to national socialism
Mar 21st 2020
637
jobless claims forecast: 3x the weekly record of last 50 years.
Mar 20th 2020
615
I'm considering taking home my laptop and some supplies
Mar 20th 2020
617
Vacation? That dude is in quarantine
Mar 20th 2020
622
      i legit thought he was on quarantine
Mar 20th 2020
623
republicans taking this war on the coronavirus literally.
Mar 20th 2020
621
They just canceled the school food assistance program here
Mar 20th 2020
626
RE: They just canceled the school food assistance program here
Mar 20th 2020
627
the Food Bank is handling it now
Mar 23rd 2020
658
Goddamn.
Mar 20th 2020
629
Passengers on the Grand Princess cruise ship refuse to take
Mar 20th 2020
628
What could their reasoning possibly be
Mar 20th 2020
630
Coronavirus Florida: Lake Worth Beach city commission meeting turns ugly
Mar 21st 2020
631
it's about to be a lot of dumb leaders getting mad at being called out
Mar 21st 2020
632
lol that dude who keeps calmly asking what a recess means
Mar 21st 2020
633
wow, those people aside from the Commissioner
Mar 21st 2020
640
Since Dolt45 cant do rallies hes just gonna be a baby at daily pressers?
Mar 21st 2020
634
this whole thing is an indictment on the USA
Mar 21st 2020
636
Yep China has pretty much recovered already
Mar 21st 2020
638
RE: Yep China has pretty much recovered already
Mar 21st 2020
639
Yup
Mar 22nd 2020
651
Why is Shout in short supply? Are people hoarding everything they
Mar 21st 2020
641
So this woman not only buys out a local Dollar Tree of every single box ...
Mar 21st 2020
642
There's a story in the Times about the huge spike in bean sales.
Mar 22nd 2020
645
This is how a stimulus is properly done
Mar 21st 2020
643
Cuban doctors' "revolutionary duty" in mission to Italy
Mar 22nd 2020
644
that's dope. nm
Mar 22nd 2020
647
Rand Paul has it
Mar 22nd 2020
648
has this made anyone else take doomsday/survivalist planning
Mar 22nd 2020
649
Bruh.. I shrugged at flipnile’s warning
Mar 23rd 2020
656
Harvey Weinstein has it
Mar 22nd 2020
650
they wasted a test on Harvey Weinstein?
Mar 22nd 2020
654
we could be looking at 30% unemployment and 50% drop in gdp.
Mar 22nd 2020
653
This is how we should be responding -from the Army Corp of Engineers
Mar 22nd 2020
655
this is good an make sense.
Mar 23rd 2020
657
      Here's my take from a Building Sciences & Construction Forensics perspec...
Mar 24th 2020
671
           Wow. Good post. Question: in your work, did you notice a correlation
Mar 24th 2020
673
                Moreso with brands...but yes, in general the higher value that a chain
Mar 24th 2020
676
Good read here on Fauci and how he's TRYING to deal with, ya know.
Mar 23rd 2020
659
My man, Fauci, ain’t in this daily briefing going right now...
Mar 23rd 2020
667
      scary, and you're probably right.
Mar 23rd 2020
668
lookin at all y'all like this:
Mar 23rd 2020
660
here is something you can’t understaaaaand
Mar 23rd 2020
661
Predictable outcome
Mar 23rd 2020
662
Damn when I read the title for the article I thought this was about the ...
Mar 23rd 2020
663
fox news pushing it heavy too.
Mar 23rd 2020
665
      They're literally all snake-oil salesmen now.
Mar 23rd 2020
666
looks like Washington State will be entering 14 day lockdown.
Mar 23rd 2020
664
It's crazy how different eve rything was 2 weeks ago. Hell...a week ago
Mar 23rd 2020
669
two days i have not seen Dr. Fauci
Mar 24th 2020
672
Trump Is Growing Tired Of Dr. Fauci Contradicting Him (link)
Mar 24th 2020
674
RE: two days i have not seen Dr. Fauci
Mar 24th 2020
677
I'm having a really hard time understanding Schumer's blocking of this b...
Mar 24th 2020
675
im a bit conflicted
Mar 24th 2020
678
Are you KIDDING me?
Mar 24th 2020
679
100. Like k5 said dems are always losing the coverage war.
Mar 24th 2020
683
THANK YOU!!!^^^^^^^^^^^
Mar 24th 2020
685
the money should be directed to unemployment and giving people
Mar 24th 2020
680
RE: the money should be directed to unemployment and giving people
Mar 24th 2020
681
Spoiler: it will *never* be the time for that
Mar 24th 2020
684
Eat shit, then after eating shit read the proposals
Mar 24th 2020
686
Looks like my city just issued a shelter in place order
Mar 24th 2020
682
Manu Dibango dead from COVID-19
Mar 24th 2020
687

fif
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1. "Washington state in a state of emergency"
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First US death here. 52 year old man with underlying health problems.

6 cases now. They cant trace the origin of most of those. Cat sure seems outta the bag. The grocery store was packed (Seattle). Definitely seems like it's about to be everywhere.

  

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2. "any idea of the testing plan for your state?"
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I haven't yet heard that all U.S. states have a viable test

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Sat Feb-29-20 09:53 PM

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3. "They're "hoping" to ramp up"
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To 200 tests/day capacity. Which, to my ears, means we're woefully underprepared for this. That isn't nearly enough. I've heard the UK is starting to test randomly to determine the spread. I think it's gonna be out there. Dealing with the sick people and trying not to get sick seems more important than mass testing now that it does seem uncontainable

  

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4. "then again i'm reading thing"
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that China did seem to turn the tide on things with mass quarantines. i'm not sure if something like that is even close to feasible in a city like seattle. i know my rent isnt gonna pay itself. china had drones chastising people on sidewalks if they were caught outside and shit

  

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6. "China welded and chained doors shut"
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To keep people from leaving their homes...

--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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5. "South Korea tested 10,000 people today"
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meanwhile:

"Washington state public health lab is ramping up to test 200 samples/day for possible#coronavius, including 50 from a Kirkland nursing home.@WADeptHealthsays risk to public is increasing but not ready to cancel public events yet.https://t.co/t7oHxFoyoi "

  

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7. "looks like it’s been in Washington for a min now:"
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html

  

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8. "Yup just read that"
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That guy is doing amazing work. He was already studying viral infection spread in the Seattle area using genetic analysis. Basically the perfect forensic researcher to have on hand. Amazing how they can trace the genetics from case to case like that.

But yea, 6 weeks of time to spread. The man mentioned Travis Bedford estimates a few hundred infected already. Remember people can be asymptomatic and still spreading

  

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9. "100% anecdotal"
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But man people have been sick here. A few different settings, flu like symptoms just ripping through offices, families. Now that we know 6 weeks of a spread to in all likelihood a "few hundred" if not more, makes you wonder. My boss's family and my coworker were all down for the count recently. Who knows. If this was S Korea I'd definitely roll in for a test right about now

  

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11. "It looks like Northshore School District is prepping to shutter."
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Northshore SD is a group of schools in the suburbs JUST north of Seattle.

my kid goes to a school in the district and we just got an email from the district superintendent that kids can go to school on Monday but if you hold them out it will be an excused absence, and that Tuesday schools will be closed to prep staff on how to provide instruction to students if the schools have to be closed long-term.

this comes after a staff member at a school in the district (not my kid's school) has flu-like symptoms and is expected to test positive. on top of that there's a nursing/retirement center type place in Kirkland (yes, where the Costco brand's name comes from) where the the coronavirus seems to have spread that families have been visiting, including kids and you expect some of those families to have children in the district or for kids in the district to have visited that location.

it seems like this situation is going to get worse, so i don't see why the schools won't close when they are doing this already.

  

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48. "Man i was in lake Forest park today"
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Working in a house with a kid home sick from school. Can't live paranoid but I was definitely trying to avoid being breathed on by the little guy haha

  

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56. "I'm in wa..Susan 'nem are going into full meltdown"
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10. "1st case confirmed in NY State:"
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa-new-york/new-york-state-confirms-first-coronavirus-case-governor-cuomo-idUSKBN20P037

  

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15. "In Manhattan. "
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We're getting confirmations now that they are actually testing.

Almost the entire west and east coasts probably have this already circulating, and for at least a few weeks or even longer.

  

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17. "yup a woman in her 30s"
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and a local paper ran a photo with the article that showed a Chinese guy in Queens

  

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12. "why the FUCK are people buying all the the fckin toilet paper !!!??!!!?!"
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The FCK man...
Can't even get my routine Target run finished...
sheesh...

  

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18. "in case we're all told to stay home for 2 weeks lol"
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tp is more important than hand sanitizer these days lol

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198. "it was all gone in Aldis today - first time I have seen it since this po..."
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♥ Inescapably Me ♥

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283. "it's nuts....annoying AND nuts..."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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13. "just found out some folks in maryland are infected since January. so"
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guess DC, northern Virginia, and Delaware probably have it too.


the CDC drop the ball on this, or maybe the govt gave them a script to read.

take a message

  

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14. "Since January? "
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16. "yep"
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take a message

  

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19. "naw, China fucked everyone."
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they (Chinese government) basically hid this shit for the first month it was known of. that gave people enough time to travel about asymptomatic spreading it all willy nilly and getting mis-diagnosed and shit.

i mean, they are saying it has been in washington state for well over a month now.

the bad thing as far as spreading globally is this shit popped up on the cusp of chinese new year when millions of chinese travel to and from china.

i hope this gets reel'd in asap, and i'm very curious to see how this affects China politically in the aftermath. there are 10s of millions of Chinese people who are super pissed off for being lied to about this and then the subsequent quarantine and how citizens are being treated.

i'm sure this is wishful thinking on my part, but it would be wild if it was THIS that led to a democratic (or more democratic) China.

  

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30. "actually 3 tested negative in MD"
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No active cases in the states as of today. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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20. "I feel like the US media may be slightly over hyping this like they..."
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did with past "pandemics" like ebola, SARS, swine flu etc...

I recently reached out to friends living in Japan and Taiwan and while they have taken precautions its been pretty much life as normal in those places and they are right next door to China.

  

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21. "definitely."
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i've been closely following who has gotten this and how they've fared.

basically everyone who has died is old or compromised in some other way.

some confirmed cases show no symptoms (which is a bit scary on another level since you're probably spreading it and neither you nor anyone else knows) and most others had a mild flu like stage that passed without being noteworthy.

and you're starting to see a push back against the news outlets telling them to chill the fuck out.

  

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22. "TOILET PAPER gone.. fam...TOILET.PAPER.. WTF!?!"
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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24. "Most people in the US don't own bidets, bruh."
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*edited to single out the US

  

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23. "Japan probably has one of the best healthcare systems in the world"
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Look at the number of hospital beds per person in Japan, vs. what we have in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds

And the country is actually doing something. The US .gov has basically set us up for a big surprise (for many people) by saying little and doing nothing. The .gov chose the economy & keeping panic low as the better option a long time ago.

I don't think things will go as smoothly here in the US.

>I recently reached out to friends living in Japan and Taiwan
>and while they have taken precautions its been pretty much
>life as normal in those places and they are right next door to
>China.

  

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47. "Japan closed their schools for a month"
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64. "better than underhyping"
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255. "This aged poorly."
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272. "a lot did, are you claiming a win?"
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282. "Just trying to get a laugh in a shitty situation bruh relax."
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I wasn't here at the beginning of this discussion so I couldn't claim a win anyway.

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484. "if nothing else, its evidence of how often wrongheaded you are."
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just saying.

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25. "Costco was kinda nuts right now"
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Not massive panic but EVERYONE was buying 2-4 cases of water... i know it's costco lol but more than normal, and I've never seen the top racks that bare.

But it's a snowball thing. I wound up buying extra water, tp, and batteries not so much from being worried about the virus but in case there winds up being shortage of these things.

Med professionals are already telling people to stop buying up all the masks. Not only are they not gonna keep you from getting the virus but people are cutting in to hospital supplies

Reminds me of after the 94 quake in LA. I worked at a grocery store. Every time an aftershock hit people poured in to stock up on water

  

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31. "I dont get the water thing"
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Are people thinking our drinking water is going to become compromised or something?

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32. "i think it's more the possibility of being stuck indoors"
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for a period of time

  

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33. "Water will still run if one is stuck indoors."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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34. "sure but say you're confined to your house for 2 weeks"
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it would be good to have drinking water.

  

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35. "I have a Brita filter"
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or are they saying the water would be contaminated?

IMO this shit is way overblown. If people have been in the US for months more than likely it’s not as serious as we suspected unless it lays dormant for a while and then mutates.

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39. "i don't have a filter, and tap water sucks in cali"
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and i agree it's probably overblown, but these things take on a life of their own.

i wound up buying extra water in case people buy up all the water. it's something I would buy anyway. I just bought more. I'm in Costco pretty much every week, and i've never seen empty upper racks like today. There are usually 5 different types of water. Today, just one.

plus it's good to be prepped anyway. not just for this but anything. earthquake, etc..

  

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36. "In places like SoCal and the SW it makes sense"
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Water restrictions exist, and SoCal is just an earthquake away from cutting water to a lot of people. Same with a severe drought in the SW. No one wants to worry about finding food and water when they are sick.


  

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26. "5 confirmed deaths in Washington State"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW3OJ73fya8

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27. "make that 6..."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/02/coronavirus-live-updates/

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28. "LoL @ reply #20"
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"i m@d3 a F3w C@lLs & nO 0n3 i kN0wZ Di3d"

this new virus is so young and it's true lethality can't be measured yet

there's no way to treat it, no widespread testing in the US yet, no known way that it's spread


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37. "Hold up. 4 of them in nursing homes?"
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mostly old ass people with other underlying conditions.

Hmmm

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40. "4 from the SAME nursing home."
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as I said in my post about the school dist. above, there was a breakout at a nursing care facility. this is why there's a huge jump in reported cases and deaths here. almost ALL of those people (who aren't staff) have compromising conditions.

younger, healthier people appear to be getting mild, flu-like symptoms.

some people are testing positive with NO symptoms.

people are freaking out for, i won't say NO reason, but unnecessarily for sure.

  

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49. "Definitely worries about my FIL who just had lung surgery"
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but I’m not panicking and buying a bunch of shit...

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54. "Bro, can you please grab some extra food for the house?"
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And fill any prescriptions (if any).

>but I’m not panicking and buying a bunch of shit...

Being prepared isn't panicking, and by being prepared you can avoid panicking. Look at what happens in hurricane zones EVERY TIME a few days before the storm. Being one of those panicked buyers is what you want to avoid.


Edit: Man, fuck disaster... What about black friday:
https://youtu.be/iR71hJzsT-4
https://youtu.be/C6KARrSwPYo

  

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57. "man, real talk..."
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reading your reply from the other post made me take a look at my situation. Not even on some end of the world scenario, but say like a week without power. I make enough loot and have tons of storage in the crib where. I could have a little setup with bottle waters, Gatorade, non perishable items, maybe some shit stored in vacuum containers, a little propane type stove. So, good looking, for that. I really need to go ahead and bust out for a nice generator, for real.

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41. "Yeah, that's another reason I'm not gonna panic"
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I read that older folks and those with other illnesses like diabetes and high blood pressure are at higher risk. The symptoms are similar to a bad cold or the flu.

  

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42. "not that you should panic, but THEIR LIVES MATTER TOO"
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percentages of people are still PEOPLE...stop acting like they are throwaways...

my mother happens to be in that vulnerable demo and yes, i'd like to not have her die, thanks.

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43. "right?"
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i get it that im probably not in the demo to be worried for my life but uhm what about my mom? my grandmas? uncles? aunts? this could wipe out a high percentage of older people worldwide. thats mind boggling.

  

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45. "You jumped way out to an incorrect conclusion..."
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At no point did I even hint that other people's lives don't matter.

  

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46. "you right"
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what you wrote wasn't doing that per se...ive just been hearing people say this all day like it doesn't matter

my bad

  

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29. "2 cases confirmed in the Tampa Bay area."
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I'm not super concerned about this. I'm not going to avoid going out or stockpile stuff for the house.

"Two coronavirus cases confirmed in Florida, state reports
Florida’s two presumptive cases of coronavirus, in Hillsborough and Manatee counties, are now confirmed. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday supported the state’s initial tests."

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/02/coronavirus-in-florida-live-updates/

  

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38. "Already spread around the country. I'd guess it's a 5-digit number..."
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...of people infected in the US right now.

Could be even more. Maybe even me. I work in downtown Philly.


It's not an "if" question, but rather a "when"

  

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44. "Yeah, I think the numbers are a lot more widespread than"
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the "confirmed cases". Ive had a cold for the past week after getting back from traveling to SF. It could be coronavirus or could just be a cold, who knows? They are still saying "If you didn't go to China or contact someone who did then don't bother us". I think we know by now that that's not good enough.

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51. "yo Philly......."
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theres been something going around the past month! My parents have had it and been on 2 difference antibiotics, and are still sick. Not saying its corona, (it probably isnt) but this is some type of non normal flu going around in our area.

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52. "we are treating this like china. there are more cases than they let on."
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and even more cases they dont know about.

and will be many more cases snowballing because of the lack of prep/response/competence.

they just removed the amount of people tested from the cdc site because people criticized how slow it was going.
https://twitter.com/lmorello_dc/status/1234546144623104000

south korea is testing 10-15k per day. we hadnt even tested 500 as of a day ago.

  

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50. "2 folks confirmed in Atl have it. "
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one came back from Italy. that person spread it to whomeever they live with.

they followed the protocol of calling the doc. not going to ER when symptoms arose.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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53. "vp mike pence might have come into contact with the virus."
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1234822447947558915
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A student whose classmates met with and touched VP Pence is now quarantined.

On Friday, cadets at Sarasota Military Academy shook hands with Pence, who was visiting Sarasota for fundraiser. One cadet’s mom had been in contact with a coronavirus patient.
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how crazy would it be if trump/repubs continue to try to downplay the 'hoax' and pence starts bleeding from his nose and mouth at a press conference like a zombie outbreak flick.

  

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55. "*thoughts and prayers*"
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60. "damn"
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58. "stop making me laugh during the apolcalypse :\"
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59. "I will be praying for him...."
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70. "dont threaten me with a good time"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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61. "I don't get why sick mofos are still coming into work."
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They have been told time and time again to stay home by our leadership w/ no penalty but here they are coughing their guts out in the office.

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62. "This is infuriating"
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>They have been told time and time again to stay home by our
>leadership w/ no penalty but here they are coughing their guts
>out in the office.


This ain't the time for that goofy shit.

Almost everyone I've talked to seems completely oblivious to what we could be potentially dealing with here.

  

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63. "would help if carrot top stopped saying "
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its just like a cold/flu and will blow over in spring.

also, working from home works for some. I'm more concerned about those that can't do their jobs from home. mechanics, food service people, etc.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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65. "2 cases in New York State"
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https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/03/coronavirus-precautions-mta-plans-to-disinfect-subways-and-stations/

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66. "CLOSE THE FUCKING SCHOOLS YOU FUCKS!"
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67. "#DontTestDontTell"
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68. "First confirmed case in North Carolina (Wake County, link):"
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https://abc11.com/5982249/

  

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75. "patient in Wake came from the nursing home in Washington"
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At least that’s what my doctor told me this morning.

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97. "too close to home. person went to a restaurant, church, RDU, etc. "
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peace & blessings,

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69. "9 deaths"
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/seventh-washington-state-residents-death-linked-to-coronavirus-disease/

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71. "I wonder if this is what the post would have looked like in the first da..."
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of The Walking Dead

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

  

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80. "Yup. Just like this."
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Crazy how disinterested and confident everyone apparently is that this is some shit that'll blow over in a few months.

We don't even have this post anchored.



People haven't realized that right now we are on the line between pre- and post- in a major historical event that we don't know the outcome of.

  

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72. "Vietnam Coronavirus Pop Song "
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https://youtu.be/7pFeKMWzclk

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

  

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73. "Apple co-founder Woz thinks he is patient zero"
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https://youtu.be/Nsz-JQVJAbw

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74. "that host looks mad...porn actress-y. wtf. "
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81. "Woz ain't quite right anymore"
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But we still love him.

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84. "don't watch youtube videos about stupid fucking tweets"
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woz has a head injury, you literally cannot listen to him and it was debunked immediately.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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76. "Anyone having problems buying toilet paper and paper towels. "
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panic hasn’t hit NC yet.

Our shelves are stocked

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78. "Nah. Grab what you need now man."
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Real panic buying would start when more/certain people start dying. Right now, it's still getting/being prepared.

Panic buying is when you see someone with 100 bags of Honey Ranch Fritos because they waited way too long and that was all that was left.

  

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77. "Patient under investigation for COVID-19 in Philadelphia"
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Only posting this UNCONFIRMED case because it's in my city.

https://www.fox29.com/news/patient-under-investigation-for-covid-19-coronavirus-in-philadelphia

Still not single email or mention of this from my job. I work downtown, in one of the busiest areas in the city. Not even signs up to wash hands & stay home if you're sick. About to grab some lysol and start cleaning the door handles myself.

  

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102. "One confirmed case in Camden County"
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The guy is in his 60's I think.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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104. "same across the board"
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work in philly
work downtown in a building above suburban station...
not one mention from my work, like it's not even happening...


weak.



werd.

  

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79. "Tampa coronavirus patient says CDC didn't take her seriously (swipe)"
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https://www.fox13news.com/news/tampa-coronavirus-patient-says-cdc-did-not-take-her-health-concerns-seriously

TAMPA, Fla. - Friends who traveled took a vacation to Italy have tested positive for the COVID-19 coronavirus in Hillsborough County, and now one of them insists she tried to warn authorities that she was sick before she boarded her connecting flight from New York to Tampa International Airport.

The two women – who represent two of the three coronavirus patients in Florida – are both their 20s. They recently got back from a trip to Italy, a country under a travel warning by the CDC.

The woman says they had masks with them and wore them as a precaution in Italy, and also used sanitizing wipes. But during the last few days of their trip, one of them began feeling unwell. They both got a plane back to the U.S., and the already sick woman noticed her health getting worse.

Once she landed in New York, she says she had a fever. The 29-year-old said she called the CDC to let them know where she had been and how she was feeling but, despite her flu-like symptoms and travel history, she says she was cleared to fly from New York back to Tampa.

"No one sounded prepared. No one at the CDC sounded prepared or educated on what was going on. When talking about an outbreak in Milan, Italy, I think they should know what part of the country that’s in," she told FOX 13 by phone.

It wasn't until she landed in Tampa that she was tested for novel coronavirus COVID-19.

While she wants to remain anonymous, she said she's frustrated she wasn't taken seriously, sooner.

“I 1,000% had symptoms when I landed in the states. I don’t blame Tampa. We were coming in from another domestic flight,” she added.

That was a week ago. Since then, she and her friend have been in self-quarantine at her house, remaining out of contact with anyone. The women say they are both doing OK, just trying to recover.

She told FOX 13 News they had groceries delivered to her home.

"It feels like we’re the test dummy. We are walking everyone through the procedure for the next bout of confirmations.”

They declined to say specifically what flights they were on. They did say they wore protestive masks during their travels and they have since provided their travel details to the CDC.

FOX 13 has reached out to the CDC and we are awaiting an official response to these claims.

Meanwhile, Tampa Airport spokesperson Emily Nipps told FOX 13 that the airport has "stepped up" its cleaning and sanitation efforts, "particularly around high-touch areas." Nipps said extra hand sanitizer and signage were being placed throughout the facilities.

If you feel sick:
The Florida Department of Health has opened a COVID-19 Call Center at 1-866-779-6121. Agents will answer questions Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Questions may also be emailed to covid-19@flhealth.gov. Email responses will be sent during call center hours.

  

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82. "11 dead including first death in California"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/health/us-coronavirus-update-wednesday/index.html

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83. "tonight they shut down my kid's school district for 2 weeks."
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103. "wow...so are you staying home too or you have help?"
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85. "The coronavirus spread in NY in less than 48 hours from"
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a man to his family, then to his neighbors, and then to friends. NY is in trouble.

take a message

  

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86. "im surprised there isnt more activity around atlanta."
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just with hjaia being the top international hub in the country and a big east coast destination connector for west coast origin flights.

  

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87. ""Novel" means "never seen before""
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Had to look it up, since I wasn't familiar with that term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel_virus
https://www.who.int/csr/disease/coronavirus_infections/faq_dec12/en/

  

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88. "exactly. SARS & MURS are also corona...this strain is new."
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89. "New Jersey has its first confirmed case today"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/nyregion/coronavirus-nj.html

  

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90. "Must be nice to be wealthy rich to avoid a virus outbreak"
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-concierge doctors, available respiratory nurses/techs
-yachts turned into the USNS Comfort
-chartered planes with no cancel/delay flights
-germ-free giveaways

healthcare for all who can afford it

take a message

  

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91. "Don't forget the isolated land that many probably own"
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Would be nice if we all had the resources to just go to "the ranch" and not leave for a year or two, if necessary.

  

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93. "oh word, phuck being in solitary confinement while I sip this "
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Mai Tai and watch the sunset go down on the poor and working class

take a message

  

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92. "i never get this take."
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as much as i hate wealth hoarding and wealth inequality, like, yes, that's literally a reason why most rich folks get rich...when stuff likes this pops up it's an added benefit.

  

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94. "im not hating, i would do the exact samething if I was jeff bezos"
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ex-wife

take a message

  

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95. "me too. if you have the means to protect yourself, why not?"
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i'd like to think i'd use some of my EXCESSIVE wealth to try to protect others.

i'd hope, anyway.

  

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98. "There's a good chance there's no escaping this long term."
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At best you can control *WHEN* you're exposed - but we're already well onto pandemic status among the developed world.

I'm being careful, but I'm basically preparing to be sick.

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101. "right because people that have all that still have employees and staff....."
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that have to go out and be in contact with the real world.

  

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96. "Coronavirus patient recovers treated with HIV drug"
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New York Post : Coronavirus patient in Spain reportedly recovers after being treated with HIV drug.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/coronavirus-patient-in-spain-reportedly-recovers-after-being-treated-with-hiv-drug/

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105. "is this story real? is the MSM scamming us?"
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i googled this and it's only the sus news sites that have anything on this.

NY Post, Daily Mail, The Sun.

hmmmm.

  

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106. "I don't know"
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Maybe other news outlets are not reporting it because it is only one case and not official treatment. But they did report testing of such drugs.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-02-13/fighting-covid-19-with-drugs-targeting-hiv-malaria-ebola

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/feb/20/doctors-hiv-ebola-drugs-coronavirus-cure-covid-19

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/4/21154590/coronavirus-vaccine-treatment-covid-19-drug-cure

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109. "they've definitely tried retrovirals in treatment in China"
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I can't speak to this story, but there's some common stuff in there about how HIV attacks and how this works.

I don't think it's solidly like "This is how you treat it" yet though

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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112. "word. that part did actually make sense..."
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and like was mentioned before, i had heard mention somewhere they it was THOUGHT that maybe some HIV drugs might be effective against this because of how the COVID19 replicates.

i hope this does end up being true. would save a lot of lives it sounds like.

  

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148. "all the later updates I saw suggested it didn't really work"
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but idk

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99. "this virus hates men"
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not only are majority infected or test positive by it, but its killing primarily them.

sorry to you men.

take a message

  

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108. "Seems fair. "
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110. "2020 would bring the cancel culture virus"
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111. "*snicker*"
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114. "times up (c)"
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100. "this atlantic article is sobering"
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"Through interviews with dozens of public-health officials and a survey of local data from across the country, The Atlantic could only verify that 1,895 people have been tested for the coronavirus in the United States, about 10 percent of whom have tested positive. And while the American capacity to test for the coronavirus has ramped up significantly over the past few days, local officials can still test only several thousand people a day, not the tens or hundreds of thousands indicated by the White House’s promises."

contrast to:
"The CDC confirmed eight days ago that the virus was in community transmission in the United States—that it was infecting Americans who had neither traveled abroad nor were in contact with others who had. In South Korea, more than 66,650 people were tested within a week of its first case of community transmission, and it quickly became able to test 10,000 people a day. The United Kingdom, which has only 115 positive cases, has so far tested 18,083 people for the virus."

"Normally, the job of gathering these types of data in the U.S. would be left to epidemiologists at the CDC. The agency regularly collects and publishes positive and negative test results for several pathogens, including multiple types of the seasonal flu. But earlier this week, the agency announced that it would stop publishing negative results for the coronavirus, an extraordinary step that essentially keeps Americans from knowing how many people have been tested overall."

"Throughout February, the CDC published a regular tally of Americans who had been tested for the pathogen. Last Saturday, several days after the country’s first case of community transmission was confirmed, that figure was 472.

Then the agency stopped updating the tally. It did not publish new numbers of how many Americans had been tested for the virus on Sunday or Monday, as public criticism of the sluggish response to the disease began to mount. On Tuesday, it announced that it would stop publishing the figure altogether."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-have-been-tested-coronavirus/607597/

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107. "sxsw cancelled"
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116. "This was an overreaction"
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This would be like canceling a music festival because it was the height of flu season and flu shot usage was way down.

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119. "not in a country that isn't adequately testing people"
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coronavirus is NOT the flu

from many medical professional's estimates, it could be way worse. some are saying its more like a cross between SARS and AIDS with the way it rapidly attacks both the lungs and the immune system.

"could" is an important word because there is still so much unknown about the virus. the SAFEST thing to do is to treat it like its way worse than the flu. its better to lose money than thousands of lives.

in addition, early reports from recovered patients and autopsies are worrying as it's possible that even those that recover could have irreversible lung damage. Again, that isn't confirmed yet, but its concerning enough to take stopping the spread of something we don't know everything about extremely seriously.

All major gatherings in the US of over 1000 people should be cancelled in the U.S. asap.

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128. "No, it’s not really like that"
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more like if flu shots did not exist.

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130. "maybe you dont know that much about SXSW"
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close to half a million people travel from all over the globe to link in Austin

  

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134. "*insert bugs bunny "no" meme*"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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147. "Man. I don’t think you grasp what SXSW is like"
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For travel, interaction, small space, low hygiene ... etc

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226. "I just found out that they're refusing refunds to the thousands who"
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bought fucking tickets.
That's so bogus that I actually hope it ends the festival.
Fuck them.

https://pagesix.com/2020/03/10/sxsw-refusing-to-issue-refunds-after-being-canceled-due-to-coronavirus/

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113. "government are some idiots. making a perfect storm for transmission. "
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combination of not having tests and drastic limitation of who gets tested AND letting dumbass trump tell people to go to work with the shit...

recipe for disaster.

1 - this ain't china. in a non-authoritarian country, short of martial law you can't do what they did as far as closing down entire cities with millions of people. y'all really think they gonna build 3 new hospitals in 10 days in the US? they gonna give the contracts to some distant trump crony who never even built a fuckin 7-11 before.

2 - unlike in other countries where healthcare is free or heavily subsidized, people here will be worried about paying for getting checked out, for treatment. and, left to our own devices, ppl here go to work sick b/c they don't get sick days. definitely not for the low wage jobs where you be having the most customer contact.

3 - the disease spread was damn near geometric in china in spite of those crazy efforts. we fucked around over here (and by 'we' i mean the bitchass trump administration) for over a month. STILL don't have tests (nc governor just said today that they have 150 tests, with another 500 coming 'soon'). meanwhile s korea is testing everything that moves. but they are ahead of us as far as the disease spread.

4 - we got mad fatalities already, but are not testing ppl they've come in contact with. and this is transmissible asymptomatically, so who knows how many people have been infected.

bonus - trump overruled the cdc and flew the cruise ship ppl home, mixing infected and uninfected individuals to quarantine at a military base in CA. then, for good measure, they flew 14 personnel from health and human services to meet with quarantined people, face to face, with no fucking protective gear. and those 14 civilians then dispersed, staying in local hotels, flying domestically, doing what the fuck ever.

i could not create a fictional account of a more fucking stupid approach to a potential pandemic.

for all those on that "flu kills more people"... from chinese data (who knows how accurate), it is around 3.4% mortality, which is approx 34x more deadly than the flu. if it is as transmissible as the flu, that's maybe 1.5m deaths in the US. s korea has been going ham with the testing, so their numbers may be more realistic. US numbers are dumb high b/c we're not testing people, so the numbers we see of known covid-19 deaths infer at least a 30x number of infected.



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115. "right now *our* mortality rate is 2-3x the global avg."
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the richest most industrialized in the world.

these dudes talking about we got it contained and under control.

who knows how many other people have been infected and/or died with the current lack of testing/diagnosis.

  

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118. "that mortality rate is driven by the denominator"
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because we aren't testing nearly enough the number of people exposed
its based on a small sample
there's no reason for there to be a higher mortality rate here than in other places
the only way this would be the case is if we had an older population (so i would look at japan for a comparative assessment)


that said
we are *really* fucking up.
and you and poetx are rightly so in pointing this out
as someone in public health.... its insane to watch this response play out
its beyond incompetence- like people are willing to play with life just to suck on the tits of the most incompetent human alive

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122. "right, our mortality rate is way overstated..."
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because we aren't testing now and weren't testing early.

there may be thousands of people who've had it and were fine that would inflate that numerator.

additionally, that one nursing home in Kirkland, near me, had an outbreak in a place full of the most at risk people that went completely unchecked. that's inflating the denominator.

  

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125. "the issue is that not testing is hastening the spread. each infected "
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person (in china, and i think it held up in s korea, where it trust the data better) infected > 2 other ppl.

china locked down entire cities. s korea has tested over 200k people.

in the US we have potentially 2 -3k infected people who could be asymptomatic and infecting 6k ppl. who will then infect 12k. then 24k. then 48k. then 96k. then 192... then 384k, then 768k, then 1.5m

if the 80% who get mild cases are never identified and controlled, we can end up with over a million people infected, with 20% of cases being major, that's 200k hospitalization cases which would overwhelm our healthcare system.

china took a huge L on their economy because they understood how serious this was. it looks like it paid off and that their outbreak has peaked.

stupid ass trump is seriously musing about letting all the people die on the ship so the US' numbers don't go up. and put all business and pr type people in charge of this to try to keep from fucking up the stock market, which is already fucked up.

this is being handled in the worst possible way.



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126. "ah good points."
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is there a possibility that along with an under-represented infection diagnoses number (due to lack of testing)...they are also under-representing deaths due to lack of specialized tests and misdiagnoses (flu, etc)?

  

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152. "possible. but i don't think so. look at the curve we've been on since "
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last week. we're about 2 weeks behind italy.

this thing would have been noticed if it was following this same trajectory in the wild, b/c in a local epicenter the hospitals and health care systems would have been overwhelmed. which is what is happening as it spreads and ramps here.

china says its cases have plateaued. s korea says theirs have and we have less reason to be skeptical of them. china got up over 80k cases and 3k deaths before they said they got a handle on it. using tools not at our disposal:

- real id on social media
- pervasive monitoring and facial recognition to deter ppl breaking quarantine
- ppl mad scared of the government (as opposed to, say, congressmen 'choosing' not to self-isolate, and ppl out in the midwest going to a school dance when they supposed to be on quarantine
- ability to absorb the economic shot of almost all businesses grinding to a halt
- an existing manufacturing base that could be quickly retooled to produce masks and other items needed by the effort
- ability to build 3 hospitals in 10 days.
- ability to isolate an entire region with up to 60 m ppl


china messed around in the early phases of this and tried to contain it on the low before it became public.

if our numbers follow the same trajectory, it will be very very bad. if the spread is worse here (and it may be due to the incompetence of this regime), it may be catastrophic


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117. "wife's job handed out 1st aid kits yesterday"
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equipped with mask, hand sanitizer, and etc.

She works in right outside Philly.

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120. "How Bad is the Corona Virus? Let's Run the Numbers (Swipe)"
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Easily digestible article on Corona Virus and where it stands relative to other diseases (Ebola, SARS, MERS, Spanish Flu, Seasonal Flu and others) in terms of Approximate Fatality Rate, Case Fatality Rate, Contagiousness, and more.

Full article below but I'd recommend the link for the graphs

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-05/how-bad-is-the-coronavirus-let-s-compare-with-sars-ebola-flu

By Justin Fox
March 5, 2020, 8:30 AM EST

The coronavirus outbreak has been turning a lot of us into amateur epidemiologists. Just listen to Mick Mulvaney, the former real estate developer and member of Congress from South Carolina who is now acting White House chief of staff. “The flu kills people,” he said last week. “This is not Ebola. It’s not SARS, it’s not MERS. It’s not a death sentence, it’s not the same as the Ebola crisis.”

All those statements are true. The flu does kill people: an estimated 61,099 in the U.S. in the worst recent flu season, that of 2017-2018. People who get Covid-19, the World Health Organization’s shorthand for Coronavirus Disease 2019, 1 are much less likely to die than those infected with Ebola, the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome of 2003 and the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome first reported in 2012. And no, this is not the same as the Ebola crisis.

It’s not the same as the 2014 Ebola crisis in part because it appears to be a much bigger deal for the U.S. and other countries outside of West Africa. As Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates, also technically an amateur epidemiologist but by this point quite a well-informed one, put it Friday in the New England Journal of Medicine: “Covid-19 has started behaving a lot like the once-in-a-century pathogen we’ve been worried about.”

How do we reconcile these differing views of Covid-19? Well, I too am an amateur as an epidemiologist, but I find that charts and (very simple) equations help me think through things. On the theory that others might find this helpful, too, let’s start with the approximate case-fatality rates for the diseases listed by Mulvaney and a few others you may have heard of.

How Deadly Is That Disease?
Approximate case-fatality rate


Sources: World Health Organization, Centers for Disease Control, MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis

These fatality rates can change a lot depending on time and place and access to treatment. The Covid-19 rate is obviously a moving target, so I’ve included both the 3.4% worldwide mortality rate reported this week by the World Health Organization and the 1% estimate from a study released Feb. 10 by the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis at Imperial College London that factored in probable unreported cases. The authors of that study also said that, given the information available at the time, they were 95% confident the correct fatality rate was somewhere between 0.5% and 4%. Gates used the 1% estimate in his article, and when I ran it by Caroline Buckee, an actual professional epidemiologist who is a professor at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, she termed it “reasonable.”

In a context that includes Ebola and MERS, the Covid-19 death rates are much closer to those of the flu, and it’s understandable why people find the comparison reassuring. Compare Covid-19 with just the flu, though, and it becomes clear how different they are.

A Lot Worse Than the Flu
Case-fatality rate


Sources: World Health Organization, Centers for Disease Control, MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis

The 61,099 flu-related deaths in the U.S. during the severe flu season of 2017-2018 amounted to 0.14% of the estimated 44.8 million cases of influenza-like illness. There were also an estimated flu-related 808,129 hospitalizations, for a rate of 1.8%. Assume a Covid-19 outbreak of similar size in the U.S., multiply the death and hospitalization estimates by five or 10, and you get some really scary numbers: 300,000 to 600,000 deaths, and 4 million to 8 million hospitalizations in a country that has 924,107 staffed hospital beds. Multiply by 40 and, well, forget about it. Also, death rates would go higher if the hospital system is overwhelmed, as happened in the Chinese province of Hubei where Covid-19’s spread began and seems to be happening in Iran now. That’s one reason that slowing the spread is important even if it turns out the disease can’t be stopped.

Could Covid-19 really spread as widely as the flu? If allowed to, sure. The standard metric for infectiousness is what’s called the reproduction number, or R0. It is usually pronounced “R naught,” and the zero after the R should be rendered in subscript, but it’s a simple enough concept. An R0 of one means each person with the disease can be expected to infect one more person. If the number dips below one, the disease will peter out. If it gets much above one, the disease can spread rapidly.

Here are R0s for the same list of diseases as above. These are rough approximations, in most cases the midpoints of quite-large ranges. But they do give a sense of relative infectiousness.

How Contagious Is That Disease?
Approximate reproduction number (R0)


Sources: World Health Organization, Centers for Disease Control, King Saud University, Nature

This helps explain why public health authorities want everybody to get vaccinated against the measles. It’s not all that deadly a disease, but once it gets going in an unvaccinated population, everybody gets it.

The numbers also seem to indicate that Covid-19 is a lot more contagious than the seasonal flu. Average R0 isn’t the whole story, though. Why all the worry about MERS, for example, which with an R0 below one shouldn’t spread at all? Well, it’s extremely deadly, its R0 can rise above one in certain environments, among them hospitals, and ... you can catch it from your camel.

Then there’s SARS, which is both deadlier than Covid-19 and has a similar R0. Why was it wiped out in about a year, while some experts warn that Covid-19 may be around forever? Because SARS usually didn’t become contagious until several days after symptoms appeared. This meant that, as four British infectious disease experts wrote in 2004, “actions taken during this period to isolate or quarantine ill patients can effectively interrupt transmission.” They proposed adding another variable to disease-transmission models: the proportion of transmission occurring prior to symptoms. For SARS, this was less than 11%, probably much less. For influenza, it is between 30% and 50%, making it far harder to control the disease’s spread.

With Covid-19, “it seems that it can transmit quite a bit before symptoms occur,” Buckee says. How much is still up in the air. World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has been arguing this week that pre-symptomatic transmission appears to be low enough that Covid-19 can be controlled in ways that the flu cannot. “If this was an influenza epidemic, we would have expected to see widespread community transmission across the globe by now,” he said Monday, “and efforts to slow it down or contain it would not be feasible.”

To understand how the spread of such a disease can be contained, it helps to break R0 down to its constituent parts. A simple formula that I got from Buckee is:

the probability of infection given contact with an infectious person (b), multiplied by
the contact rate (k), multiplied by
the infectious duration (d)
In some cases you can shorten the infectious duration with treatment. Quarantining people once you know they’re infected effectively shortens it, too. Variables b and k, meanwhile, are clearly dependent on behavior. The probability of infection is reduced by things like frequent hand-washing, replacing handshakes with fist bumps and such. The contact rate is reduced by staying home. By putting much of the country on lockdown, Chinese authorities reduced the contact rate enough that Covid-19’s R0 in the country fell below one. They also incurred huge economic and social costs. Now, as China begins to go back to work, the big question is whether a less-draconian approach can keep the disease in check or whether it will just start spreading again.

That’s the big question in the U.S., Europe and pretty much everywhere else on earth too. It can’t be answered entirely by professional epidemiologists, either. Weighing whether the costs of a particular intervention are worth the benefits is at heart a political decision. So it’s actually good that politicians are moonlighting as amateur epidemiologists. Some of them may just need to study a little harder.

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121. "Stanford just cancelled in person classes for the rest of the quarter. "
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129. "U of Washington already did."
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to be fair, there's like, a week and half left in the quarter.

  

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123. "it's going to be a problem when people get fed up with quarantines"
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and cancellations.

i don't have a strong opinion either way, but the lack of coordination in official responses is only going to get worse. the inevitable pushback and second guessing is going to be disruptive for schools, healthcare institutions, and businesses.

and the next time it comes up with another disease, potentially something worse, makes me real nervous.

late capitalism. woo.

  

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124. "Low key reminds me of that Chris Rock joke about being blind "
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“Here nigga here’s a dog to walk your ass around”...

With this it’s like “Not sure what to do niggas just stay the fuck inside I guess” lmao

  

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127. "lol"
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131. "They just closed my office (NYC)."
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142. "i have an educated guess :) only cuz i know someone else"
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whose office closed

and i know how brilliant you are.

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132. "View from the other side of the world"
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I live in Dubai. GCC countries have instituted their precautions - with Saudi instituting a travel ban to and from basically all neighboring countries and Italy and canceling school for the remainder of the year. Here in the UAE, schools are closed for the next four months for cleaning and disenfecting and heavy tourist areas areas being cleaned non-stop.

The issue is however, that with most of these nations being sultanates, the government control on information is heavily regulated, if not untrue. UAE is reporting 15 cases, when the number is likely much, much higher. Doctors don't see the results, as they go straight to the authorities. Makes it hard for those on the ground to know what's really going on.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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133. "My theory... it’s been here for a while we just didn’t test for it. "
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and I’m mad af because it may ruin my vacation.

Smh. Who woulda thought a pandemic would break out after we finally book our first trip out the country?

Supposed to go to San Antonio. That might not happen either.

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135. "define a while...bc...the impact on nursing homes"
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would have been obvious

one nursing home got hit and the death toll shot up

younger folks could probably get away with being asymptomatic but i doubt the nursing homes would just be chilling with the virus running rampant

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136. "3 to 6 months"
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Serious question:

Is it really out of the ordinary for nursing home to have deaths at this rate?

Cause an 80 year old person dying.. who also had other underlying issues isn’t really that serious.

My point is when people who are younger and healthier start having a rapid decline I think it’s a serious problem.

I’m just throwing out a theory tho.



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137. "i agree with this... it's been here for a minute.."
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...and many of us have already had it

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138. "they think it's been in Washington state"
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for about 2+ months now, hence community spread

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141. "YUP."
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me and wife are operating under the idea that we (the whole family) have already had it based on the description of symptoms as far back as mid february. we all had a lingering cough that just. would. not. go. away. long after the fucked up fever and sickness part.



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145. "It’s here in San Antonio too"
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They closed down an entire mall.

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149. "i agree"
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150. "yeah, seems like everyone in my circle"
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and folks here at the office had similar symptoms jan/feb

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161. ""We out-chea!" - Coronavirus"
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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139. "NY Port Authority Head Tests Positive For Coronavirus"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/nyregion/port-authority-rick-cotton-coronavirus.html

Rick Cotton, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the region’s major airports, bridges, tunnels and bus terminals, has tested positive for the coronavirus, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York announced on Monday.

Mr. Cotton is one of the most prominent public officials in the United States to have contracted the virus.

Mr. Cuomo said that Mr. Cotton, who had been overseeing the Port Authority’s response to the virus, had self-quarantined at his home and would be working remotely.

“He has been at the airports, obviously, when many people were coming back with the virus,” Mr. Cuomo said at a news conference. Mr. Cuomo suggested that Mr. Cotton might have been infected as part of his work on behalf of the authority at Kennedy International Airport, noting that it “was one of the main airports for people coming in on those overseas flights.”

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140. "Add Louisiana to the list (swipe). We just had Mardi Gras so it was..."
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just a matter of when the first case would appear.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_38bcc6ca-411f-11ea-9c37-2b1c2b68ccd5.html

The presumptive first case of the new coronavirus, which has been linked to numerous deaths, has been confirmed in Louisiana, according to the governor's office.

The person is a Jefferson Parish resident who is at an Orleans Parish hospital.

The case is considered "presumptive" until it is confirmed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.

The new virus, COVID-19, is a member of the coronavirus family that can cause colds or more serious illnesses such as SARS and MERS.

The virus can cause fever, coughing, wheezing and pneumonia. Health officials said they believe it spreads mainly from droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how the flu spreads.

Officials are advising people to take steps to avoid infection with coronavirus or other respiratory infections like colds or the flu, including washing hands with soap and water and avoiding close contact with people who are sick.

According to data from China, where coronavirus originated, the elderly are at a heightened risk. The disease has about a 2% mortality rate and about 80% of cases are mild. But in people ages 70 to 79, that fatality rate shot up to 8%. In those over 80, the fatality rate was almost 15%.

Officials have warned that the fatality rate may be skewed due to the underreporting of mild cases where infected people experience few or no symptoms.

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143. "fulton county schools closing for tomorow to clean the "
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schools. an employee from the school district has it.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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144. "The shitty Outbreak/Contagion parody continues (CPAC fall-out)"
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That CPAC went from a three-day trolling event about COVID being a liberal hoax, to Republican representatives quarantining themselves because some genius attending the event actually had it, to it being revealed that Drumf himself may have been exposed to it, is either the most brilliant or stupidly obvious plot twist ever.

The movie version of this would have to be directed by either Paul Greengrass or Mel Brooks.

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146. "imagine these people if Obama was president"
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Fox would have people bunkers

Ted Cruz in quarantine now.

Trump's twitter today is indistinguishable from one of his maga cult memebers (even moreseo than on a normal day)


  

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151. "One of my neighbors works at Biogen "
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Which now there are numerous new cases in my area because of one of their conferences in Massachusetts recently.

My mom is in her mid-70s just finished chemo in December so I'm doing everything in my power to ensure she's safe.

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153. "Oof"
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>My mom is in her mid-70s just finished chemo in December so
>I'm doing everything in my power to ensure she's safe.

I've got a few severely immunocompromised people in my life, but none of them are that close. So the only things I have to do to keep them safe are passive - a lot of "don't" including the rather obvious "we can just not see each other for a bit". Couldn't imagine if it were my mom. Good luck, boss.

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154. "Thanks player"
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Unfortunately, I can't not see her for an extended period as she lives with me as I've been the caretaker over the last year

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155. "Please tell your mom I’m thinking of her. "
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160. "I wish her and you the best."
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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156. "so if I have theater tickets in NYC this weekend..."
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159. "I went to the theatre a week ago"
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And folks were coughing without covering their mouths. It was gross and made me so paranoid.

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164. "just go. "
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I work pretty much IN times square. just wash ya hands and stop licking handrails.

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166. "No way I'd go to the theater, or any other large gatherings right now"
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Your health > entertainment & $$$

  

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168. "Everyone should be staying home. I hope you do too."
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173. "DON'T GO."
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people really need to get the fuck over themselves (not you, just generally) and help stop the spread of this shit


Broadway needs to shut down. sporting events, concerts, conferences. everything.

Cuz clearly Americans can't stop fucking needing to entertain themselves instead of focusing on all of our health needs

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180. "should we go to work or nah?"
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if i can ride the train and sit in an office i can do all that other stuff.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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189. "you need to go to work to make money"
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you don't need to do all the extra stuff, at least for a couple of weeks.

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203. "You realize that all the other stuff is work for someone"
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Else right?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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217. "This is my worry."
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We got March 20th and 22nd March Madness games. We've got Berkshire Hathaway the first week of May. Meanwhile they're moving Seattle Mariners out of Seattle for all of March, forcing the Warriors to play to empty crowds, canceling E3 and GDC...


My full-time job is managing a bar near this event center, and winter in the midwest is ROUGH for part-timers while some other full-timers barely squeak by. It's all in the name of gearing up for patio season and these spring events (I almost forgot the Olympic Swim Trials...) and now this fucking virus is threatening to undercut an entire industry.


The weirdest part is, the Dark Desus side of me hopes the service industry side of this spirals out of control and our country can have a real conversation not about minimum wage for service workers but employer health insurance, or the single payer system most of us could actually afford. Because none of us are getting tested, we're just taking Ibuprofen and crossing our fingers. And regulars know this; casuals who read that Washington Post article this weekend are being reminded of it.


I hear a lot of people talking about working from home but I can't exactly make you a Vesper in my apartment and ship it to you on Postmates.


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231. "Yep...i hear you"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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325. "Cuomo made your decision for you today, effective tomorrow"
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link: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus/2020/03/12/broadway-coronavirus

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Broadway Suspends Performances Through April 12 Due to Coronavirus

Broadway has suspended all of its performances due to the coronavirus, the Broadway League announced Thursday.

They will be suspended through at least April 12.

The announcement comes after Governor Andrew Cuomo announced on Thursday that gatherings of 500 or more people will be suspended statewide.

Cuomo said this guidance will go into effect as of 5 p.m. Friday, but he said it was going into effect for Broadway as of 5 p.m. Thursday.

Various other arts locations, including Carnegie Hall, the Met Opera and the Met Museum, announced on Thursday that they are closing as well.

Officials at the Met Opera and Carnegie Hall say all rehearsals and performances through March 31 are closed in both places. Carnegie Hall says its cancellations go into effect at midnight Thursday.

The Met Museum will temporarily close all three of its locations - The Met Fifth Avenue, The Met Breuer and the Met Cloisters - starting March 13.

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157. "the US is short 300,000 ICU beds"
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International experts in public health including Dr. Galvani, member of the team from Yale that confronted the Ebola outbreak, and the president of the National Nurses United union accompanied Sen. Bernie Sanders today on a panel to give the nation much needed insight into public health policy and the latest developments with the emerging pandemic.

At 1 hour 4 minutes she says their simulations show we are weeks from running out of ICU beds, and we need 300,000 from the current 90,000:

https://youtu.be/h6ccigNCsM4?t=3757

Dr. El Sayed says the "doubling time" of infection cases in Washington state appears to be six days.

  

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158. "I see a lot of people saying right now that it's all media hype"
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etc etc

and they don't seem to realize that while yes, many people will not die from having coronavirus, a lot of people will get very sick from it, and won't know they're sick until they've already had it for a while and spread it to others who are suddenly sick too.

by the time we know how much it's spread it will be too late, look at Italy. ugh

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193. "we need to skip media talking heads. "
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the kind of actual expertise that makes it to reddit's /coronavirus board is crazy.
projections are all US hospital beds could be filled by may.

i think they essentially stopped the testing in the US out of a lack of preparedness and probably getting the camps and quarantines ready.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/


The Risk of Systemic Healthcare Failure Due to COVID-19

3/6/2020

By Liz Specht @LizSpecht UCSD PhD Biology, John Hopkins ChemBE Assoc. Director of Science & Technology, Good Food Institute

I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math.

Let’s conservatively assume that there are 2,000 current cases in the US today, March 6th. This is about 8x the number of confirmed (lab-diagnosed) cases. We know there is substantial under-Dx due to lack of test kits; I’ll address implications later of under-/over-estimate. We can expect that we’ll continue to see a doubling of cases every 6 days (this is a typical doubling time across several epidemiological studies). Here I mean actual cases. Confirmed cases may appear to rise faster in the short term due to new test kit rollouts. We’re looking at about 1M US cases by the end of April, 2M by ~May 5, 4M by ~May 11, and so on. Exponentials are hard to grasp, but this is how they go.

As the healthcare system begins to saturate under this case load, it will become increasingly hard to detect, track, and contain new transmission chains. In absence of extreme interventions, this likely won’t slow significantly until hitting >>1% of susceptible population.

What does a case load of this size mean for healthcare system? We’ll examine just two factors — hospital beds and masks — among many, many other things that will be impacted.

The US has about 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people. With a population of 330M, this is ~1M beds. At any given time, 65% of those beds are already occupied. That leaves about 330k beds available nationwide (perhaps a bit fewer this time of year with regular flu season, etc).

Let’s trust Italy’s numbers and assume that about 10% of cases are serious enough to require hospitalization. (Keep in mind that for many patients, hospitalization lasts for weeks — in other words, turnover will be very slow as beds fill with COVID19 patients). By this estimate, by about May 8th, all open hospital beds in the US will be filled. (This says nothing, of course, about whether these beds are suitable for isolation of patients with a highly infectious virus.) If we’re wrong by a factor of two regarding the fraction of severe cases, that only changes the timeline of bed saturation by 6 days in either direction. If 20% of cases require hospitalization, we run out of beds by ~May 2nd. If only 5% of cases require it, we can make it until ~May 14th. 2.5% gets us to May 20th. This, of course, assumes that there is no uptick in demand for beds from other (non-COVID19) causes, which seems like a dubious assumption.

As healthcare system becomes increasingly burdened, Rx shortages, etc., people w/ chronic conditions that are normally well-managed may find themselves slipping into severe states of medical distress requiring intensive care & hospitalization. But let’s ignore that for now. Alright, so that’s beds. Now masks. Feds say we have a national stockpile of 12M N95 masks and 30M surgical masks (which are not ideal, but better than nothing). There are about 18M healthcare workers in the US. Let’s assume only 6M HCW are working on any given day. (This is likely an underestimate as most people work most days of the week, but again, I’m playing conservative at every turn.) As COVID19 cases saturate virtually every state and county, which seems likely to happen any day now, it will soon be irresponsible for all HCWs to not wear a mask. These HCWs would burn through N95 stockpile in 2 days if each HCW only got ONE mask per day. One per day would be neither sanitary nor pragmatic, though this is indeed what we saw in Wuhan, with HCWs collapsing on their shift from dehydration because they were trying to avoid changing their PPE suits as they cannot be reused.

How quickly could we ramp up production of new masks? Not very fast at all. The vast majority are manufactured overseas, almost all in China. Even when manufactured here in US, the raw materials are predominantly from overseas... again, predominantly from China. Keep in mind that all countries globally will be going through the exact same crises and shortages simultaneously. We can’t force trade in our favor.

Now consider how these 2 factors – bed and mask shortages – compound each other’s severity. Full hospitals + few masks + HCWs running around between beds without proper PPE = very bad mix. HCWs are already getting infected even w/ access to full PPE. In the face of PPE limitations this severe, it’s only a matter of time. HCWs will start dropping from the workforce for weeks at a time, leading to a shortage of HCWs that then further compounds both issues above.

We could go on and on about thousands of factors – # of ventilators, or even simple things like saline drip bags. You see where this is going. Importantly, I cannot stress this enough: even if I’m wrong – even VERY wrong – about core assumptions like % of severe cases or current case #, it only changes the timeline by days or weeks. This is how exponential growth in an immunologically naïve population works.

Undeserved panic does no one any good. But neither does ill-informed complacency. It’s wrong to assuage the public by saying “only 2% will die.” People aren’t adequately grasping the national and global systemic burden wrought by this swift-moving of a disease. I’m an engineer. This is what my mind does all day: I run back-of-the-envelope calculations to try to estimate order-of-magnitude impacts. I’ve been on high alarm about this disease since ~Jan 19 after reading clinical indicators in the first papers emerging from Wuhan. Nothing in the last 6 weeks has dampened my alarm in the slightest. To the contrary, we’re seeing abject refusal of many countries to adequately respond or prepare. Of course some of these estimates will be wrong, even substantially wrong. But I have no reason to think they’ll be orders-of-magnitude wrong. Even if your personal risk of death is very, very low, don’t mock decisions like canceling events or closing workplaces as undue “panic”. These measures are the bare minimum we should be doing to try to shift the peak – to slow the rise in cases so that healthcare systems are less overwhelmed. Each day that we can delay an extra case is a big win for the HC system.

And yes, you really should prepare to buckle down for a bit. All services and supply chains will be impacted. Why risk the stress of being ill-prepared? Worst case, I’m massively wrong and you now have a huge bag of rice and black beans to burn through over the next few months and enough Robitussin to trip out.

One more thought: you’ve probably seen multiple respected epidemiologists have estimated that 20-70% of world will be infected within the next year. If you use 6-day doubling rate I mentioned above, we land at ~2-6 billion infected by sometime in July of this year. Obviously I think the doubling time will start to slow once a sizeable fraction of the population has been infected, simply because of herd immunity and a smaller susceptible population. But take the scenarios above (full beds, no PPE, etc., at just 1% of the US population infected) and stretch them out over just a couple extra months. That timeline roughly fits with consensus end-game numbers from these highly esteemed epidemiologists. Again, we’re talking about discrepancies of mere days or weeks one direction or another, but not disagreements in the overall magnitude of the challenge. This is not some hypothetical, fear-mongering, worst-case scenario. This is reality, as far as anyone can tell with the current available data.

That’s all for now. Standard disclaimers apply: I’m a PhD biologist but not an epidemiologist. Thoughts my own. Yadda yadda. Stay safe out there.

  

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162. "The American “experiment” has been a disaster "
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163. "my coworker warned me this morning that my officemate is sick"
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he was saying she was super sick, she seems to be playing it off pretty good if she is. there havent been any cases reported in my city so hopefully its not it.

  

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165. "Less worried now than 3/4 weeks ago. "
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shit is just normalized.

first it was "we all gon' die!"

now it's, "ok, a few of us miiiiiiiight die"

I'm fucked up about our lack of testing. Our ratio of death to confirmed cases is beyond a bad look. Ya know what Germany did? If you get sick then they go and test, ya mamma, ya kids, auntie, friends - anyone else you might have infected and it's doing a good job of controlling things.

also, the flu is a motherfucker, how is this shit just straight up normalized given the amount of people who die from it?

also, stop touching your face.

also, just be ready.

also, take off that damn surgeon mask, is it N95/p100? no? jesus.

at some point we're just going to have to reach decision where we just keep pushing to stay inside forever (which ain't good) or the virus spreads and then it's just, cold, flu and covid season. Yes, it's extremely bad for elderly, immunocompromised people and smoker, but we're ALL not going to die.

I'm worried about this economy more than getting sick.

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167. "Bruh, this ain't the flu. This is SARS Lite."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2

  

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169. "Entire country of Italy under quarantine / lockdown"
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-italy-quarantine-lockdown-prime-minister-we-have-run-out-of-time/


Everyone should have *at least* two weeks of food, water, sanitary/cleaning products, medicine, etc. stored in you dwelling.

Things are gonna get real here in the US in a week or two.

  

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170. "CANCEL EVERYTHING! (the atlantic, swipe)"
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-cancel-everything/607675/

Cancel Everything

Social distancing is the only way to stop the coronavirus. We must start immediately.

6:30 AM ET
Yascha Mounk


We don’t yet know the full ramifications of the novel coronavirus. But three crucial facts have become clear in the first months of this extraordinary global event. And what they add up to is not an invocation to stay calm, as so many politicians around the globe are incessantly suggesting; it is, on the contrary, the case for changing our behavior in radical ways—right now.

The first fact is that, at least in the initial stages, documented cases of COVID-19 seem to increase in exponential fashion. On the 23rd of January, China’s Hubei province, which contains the city of Wuhan, had 444 confirmed COVID-19 cases. A week later, by the 30th of January, it had 4,903 cases. Another week later, by the 6th of February, it had 22,112.

The same story is now playing out in other countries around the world. Italy had 62 identified cases of COVID-19 on the 22nd of February. It had 888 cases by the 29th of February, and 4,636 by the 6th of March.

Because the United States has been extremely sluggish in testing patients for the coronavirus, the official tally of 604 likely represents a fraction of the real case load. But even if we take this number at face value, it suggests that we should prepare to have up to 10 times as many cases a week from today, and up to 100 times as many cases two weeks from today.

The second fact is that this disease is deadlier than the flu, to which the honestly ill-informed and the wantonly irresponsible insist on comparing it. Early guesstimates, made before data were widely available, suggested that the fatality rate for the coronavirus might wind up being around 1 percent. If that guess proves true, the coronavirus is 10 times more deadly than the flu.

But there is reason to fear the fatality rate could be much higher. According to the World Health Organization, the current case fatality rate—a common measure of what portion of confirmed patients die from a particular disease—stands at 3.4 percent. This figure could be an overstatement, because mild cases of the disease are less likely to be diagnosed. Or it could be an understatement, because many patients have already been diagnosed with the virus but have not yet recovered (and may still die).

Juliette Kayyem: The U.S. isn’t prepared for what’s about to happen

When the coronavirus first spread to South Korea, many observers pointed to the comparatively low death rates in the country to justify undue optimism. In countries with highly developed medical systems, they claimed, a smaller portion of patients would die. But while more than half of all diagnosed patients in China have now been cured, most South Korean patients are still in the throes of the disease. Of 7,478 confirmed cases, only 118 have recovered; the low death rate may yet rise.

Meanwhile, the news from Italy, another country with a highly developed medical system, has so far been shockingly bad. In the affluent region of Lombardy, for example, there have been 7,375 confirmed cases of the virus as of Sunday. Of these patients, 622 had recovered, 366 had died, and the majority were still sick. Even under the highly implausible assumption that all of the still-sick make a full recovery, this would suggest a case fatality rate of 5 percent—significantly higher, not lower, than in China.

The third fact is that so far only one measure has been effective against the coronavirus: extreme social distancing.

Before China canceled all public gatherings, asked most citizens to self-quarantine, and sealed off the most heavily affected region, the virus was spreading in exponential fashion. Once the government imposed social distancing, the number of new cases leveled off; now, at least according to official statistics, every day brings news of more existing patients who are healed than of patients who are newly infected.

A few other countries have taken energetic steps to increase social distancing before the epidemic reached devastating proportions. In Singapore, for example, the government quickly canceled public events and installed medical stations to measure the body temperature of passersby while private companies handed out free hand sanitizer. As a result, the number of cases has grown much more slowly than in nearby countries.

These three facts imply a simple conclusion. The coronavirus could spread with frightening rapidity, overburdening our health-care system and claiming lives, until we adopt serious forms of social distancing.

This suggests that anyone in a position of power or authority, instead of downplaying the dangers of the coronavirus, should ask people to stay away from public places, cancel big gatherings, and restrict most forms of nonessential travel.

Given that most forms of social distancing will be useless if sick people cannot get treated—or afford to stay away from work when they are sick—the federal government should also take some additional steps to improve public health. It should take on the costs of medical treatment for the coronavirus, grant paid sick leave to stricken workers, promise not to deport undocumented immigrants who seek medical help, and invest in a rapid expansion of ICU facilities.

The past days suggest that this administration is unlikely to do these things well or quickly (although the administration signaled on Monday that it will seek relief for hourly workers, among other measures). Hence, the responsibility for social distancing now falls on decision makers at every level of society.

Do you head a sports team? Play your games in front of an empty stadium.

Are you organizing a conference? Postpone it until the fall.

Do you run a business? Tell your employees to work from home.

Are you the principal of a school or the president of a university? Move classes online before your students get sick and infect their frail relatives.

Are you running a presidential campaign? Cancel all rallies right now.

All of these decisions have real costs. Shutting down public schools in New York City, for example, would deprive tens of thousands of kids of urgently needed school meals. But the job of institutions and authorities is to mitigate those costs insofar as humanly possible, not to use them as an excuse to put the public at risk of a deadly communicable disease.

Finally, the most important responsibility falls on each of us. It’s hard to change our own behavior while the administration and the leaders of other important institutions send the social cue that we should go on as normal. But we must change our behavior anyway. If you feel even a little sick, for the love of your neighbor and everyone’s grandpa, do not go to work.

When the influenza epidemic of 1918 infected a quarter of the U.S. population, killing tens of millions of people, seemingly small choices made the difference between life and death.

As the disease was spreading, Wilmer Krusen, Philadelphia’s health commissioner, allowed a huge parade to take place on September 28th; some 200,000 people marched. In the following days and weeks, the bodies piled up in the city’s morgues. By the end of the season, 12,000 residents had died.

In St. Louis, a public health commissioner named Max Starkloff decided to shut the city down. Ignoring the objections of influential businessmen, he closed the city’s schools, bars, cinemas, and sporting events. Thanks to his bold and unpopular actions, the per capita fatality rate in St. Louis was half that of Philadelphia. (In total roughly 1,700 people died from influenza in St Louis.)

In the coming days, thousands of people across the country will face the choice between becoming a Wilmer Krusen or a Max Starkloff.

In the moment, it will seem easier to follow Krusen’s example. For a few days, while none of your peers are taking the same steps, moving classes online or canceling campaign events will seem profoundly odd. People are going to get angry. You will be ridiculed as an extremist or an alarmist. But it is still the right thing to do.

We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com.

YASCHA MOUNK is a contributing writer at The Atlantic, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, and a senior adviser at Protect Democracy. He is the author of The People vs. Democracy.






  

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171. "extreme and irrational response"
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Wash Your hands

Don't touch your face

Don't panic

Live your life intelligently


If you're that concerned, don't go to sporting events or concerts.


This is Out. Of. Control.


How did we become this figuratively feeble as a society

  

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172. "IT ISN'T. that dumb response is why Italy is in the shit its in"
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The entire country is on lockdown cuz 3 weeks ago, folks were saying the virus warnings were overblown and still going about their social lives.

now you got entire health systems collapsing, doctors and nurses getting sick, people with other chronic illness and ailments going without treatment and dying because beds and ventilators are reserved for Covid19 patients

the only thing we should all be doing is STAYING AT HOME.

no restaurants, bars, meetings, school etc

but people like you keep yapping.

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182. "but work is ok?"
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>no restaurants, bars, meetings, school etc

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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184. "If one can work from home. Otherwise, it's time for the .gov to bail us ..."
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All of us workers. The people that this whole world depends on. People that can't work from home need help.

  

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186. "how does that work?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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187. "the same way it worked for the banks"
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190. "THIS. "
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191. "How does it work for banks? They shut down?"
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I honestly dont know

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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192. "you forgot about 2008 stimulus packages?"
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were the govt gave the banks money to bail them out after the housing crisis so the economy wouldn't collapse

  

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196. "Huh? My question was how does it work if no one goes to work?"
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So the govt cuts a check...where do i cash it??? Banks are closed right?

What do i need a check for anyway? Other than housing, i cant by shit anyway

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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220. "You're being dense."
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He's talking about a stimulus package for people who SHOULD NOT BE WORKING, but HAVE TO because their work requires them to be in public.


I expect to make $20 -$40 an hour most nights (yes, the range is that broad) despite my base wage being $4.50. If I'm showing up to work - paying for Uber or riding the bus to get there - and no one comes in to drink or eat, my budget is fucked. I can't just cash in PTO. If you'd have told me six months ago to save up for a crisis that could potentially wash the first three months of good work in the calendar year I'd have planned for this, but with each event cancellation/precautionary measure, all I can do is get more SCARED, not more more relieved.


I also can't afford personal insurance because the deductibles are not in my favor as a smoker and someone who has never opened a line of credit due to student loan debt. Most service workers are in my position; neither us nor our customers know if we're carrying, and that's far from ideal.


If everyone needs to stay the fuck home then the government needs to find a way to support the people who can't. Steph Curry might be able to afford to play in an empty stadium but if I spend a full week in an empty restaurant I have to start pre-empting my landlord with questions about being a day or two late on rent while I let my power or water bills slide into overdue charges.


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235. "yeah bruh i get all of that. If you get a check from the gov't, other th..."
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rent/mortgage what are you buying?

Food? Medicine? no bc everything is shut down and no one is going to work.

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And the rent office still open

  

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177. "i don't get what the big deal is about staying in the house"
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so you won't get sick. idk why this is something to try and puff your chest out at. if people don't wanna be on the street, let em. just don't buy up all the masks and soap.

  

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188. "fam, now is not the time to troll."
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174. "SO, I got TWO 10mile races in April...should I pass or nah? "
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176. "Bike races?"
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The bike race itself probably isn't too bad, but all the socializing before and after is what would spread the virus around pretty easily.

Personally, I'm making NO long-term or even medium-term plans right now.

  

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183. "foot races"
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206. "I would skip those, honestly."
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Don't need large groups of people potentially getting sick all at once.

  

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207. "Speaking of foot races and COVID-19"
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I just read on Jamaica Gleaner that Jamaica is pulling out of this year's Penn Relays, which seems like major news to me given how big track and field is in Jamaica.

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216. "Yeah, i'm quite surprised how little impact it's had on the local scene"
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There are a great deal of races that are still on for spring and still being heavily advertised.
I guess the closer we get to the races things might change...but I dunno....
I'm gonna really have to make a call on whether to participate or sit these two out...
Deferral period for the Cherry Blossom has already ended...
Parkway Classic can still defer until April 1 I believe....

$150 ain't worth being sick for a week or worse.....


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275. "Best of luck."
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When you posted your post up, I assumed you meant bike races at first. I have two bike tours coming up here in NYC; a Five Boro Bike tour in the first week of May and a Century Ride in August. I would be shocked and stunned if the Five Boro Bike tour still goes down at this point since there's way too many points of contact where folks can potentially spread germs and such on the course. For your foot races, are there stages were food/drinks are served by volunteers? This like that make me very very leery.

I hope this Covid-19 nonsense will alleviate within the next three or so months, but given the limited testing in this country so far, I dunno. I suppose time will tell.

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238. "Oh dammit, I didn't even think about Penn"
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I coach a HS track team and I'm responsible for booking and making our trip to Penn Relays happen. Hotel has free cancellation, so that's something.

The school I teach at (a different one) is only committing to put two weeks of classes online, which would still be nearly four weeks to Penn. Probably nobody local going to make a decision on that for awhile.

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274. "Since I imagine it's a lot of moving parts"
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to get something like the Penn Relays organized, I would imagine if a cancellation were to occur, the sooner it were announced the better. I wasn't in the boat of wanting to cancel events and such, but given the fact a vaccine for this illness is probably a year or so down the line and the fact testing in the country still isn't all that great, I'm now in favor of cancelling mass gatherings and events like this. Or at least postponing it until everything is settled down.

I would have to imagine the US is just in the initial waves of this Covid-19 nonsense.

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181. "If they are held"
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I'd be very very leery on eating any food/snacks that'll be available at the races since the disease is spread through other folks' fluids.

I signed up for a 40 mile bike tour in May and a century ride in late August; I have a sneaking suspicion things will get worse before they get better during the warmed months here in NYC. I just hope the peak infection numbers don't get too high right when I have that 40 mile bike tour.

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185. "1st one is in a few weeks, Cherry Blossom 10mile...it's 20K participants"
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total...
16,000 10mile runners
2,000 5K runners
2,000 volunteers...

easily 10K+ spectators because it coincides with the Cherry Blossom Festival here in DC which already is a pretty huge tourist draw....

2nd one is end of April, GW Parkway Classic and it's around 7,000 participants....i'm less concerned about this one because it's not as big....



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470. "Canceled "
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175. "im worries this could influence voter turnout..."
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like, if they don’t get a better grip on it.

  

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178. "Right? As if this election season hasn't been crazy enough."
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Probably gonna call my relatives who haven't voted yet and like to go to the polls to try to vote via mail if they can.

  

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179. "me too which is why i wish everything could be cancelled NOW"
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so that the closer we get to November, this is no longer an issue


the longer we wait to drastically change our collective lifestyle, the worse the effects will be

who with a large enough platform and influence can tell people this?

  

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194. "I got forwarded a doctor to doctor correspondence:"
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> Based on 55,924 lab confirmed cases symptoms were seen as follows: please ask for duration of symptoms.
>
> - Fever (88%)
> - Dry cough (67%)
> - Fatigue (38%)
> - Sputum production (33%)
> - Short of breath (18%)
> - Sore throat (14%)
> - Headache (13%)
> - Muscle/joint aches (15%)
> - Chills (11%)
> - Nausea/vomiting (5%)
> - Stuffy nose (5%)
> - Diarrhea (4%)
> - Coughing up blood (1%)
>
>
>
> When asked regarding travel and whether or not to travel, please note if they are older and if they have asthma or immunodeficiency, please state that they are at increased risk.

> This is currently a personal choice based on area of risk, flights, health condition and also the implications of exposure and possible quarantine. Consider all of this when making your personal decision. If you have asthma, older in age, have immunodeficiency as diagnosed from our clinic, you are at increased risk of consequences including mortality from COVID.
>
> 1. How infectious is it?
>
> R0 (how infectious it is) of 2-2.5 was prior to quarantine/social distancing measures. Though interventions (vaccines, behaviors, etc) and other factors (cruise ships, location) will change this number.
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/32007643/
>
> Household transmission 3-10% and close contacts 1-5%.
>
> 2. Illness severity
>
> About 80% of patients had mild disease.
>
> About 14% have more severe disease (SOB, symptomatic lung involvement)
>
> About 6% have critical disease (Organ failure, shock, etc)
>
> 3. Mortality rate by age - overall - and will significantly change with interventions and additional diagnosis of mild cases!
>
> - >80 22%
> - >70 8%
> - >60 3.6%
> - >50 1.3%
> - >40 0.4%
> - 10-39 0.2%
>
> 4. How does it spread?
>
> Droplet/fomites. Airborne spread has not been reported.
>
> 5. What’s the incubation period and time to recovery?
>
> Average incubation 5-6 days (range 1-14)
>
> From onset to max illness - usually about a week.
>
> Recovery is about 2 weeks for mild to moderate disease but 3-6 weeks for severe disease.
>
> 6. Who is it affecting?
>
> Mostly older patients and those with comorbidities having a more severe course. Likely underdetected in younger patients due to the low complication rate in these patients.
>
> 7. What are the symptoms?
>
> Based on 55,924 lab confirmed cases symptoms were seen as follows:
> - Fever (88%)
> - Dry cough (67%)
> - Fatigue (38%)
> - Sputum production (33%)
> - Short of breath (18%)
> - Sore throat (14%)
> - Headache (13%)
> - Muscle/joint aches (15%)
> - Chills (11%)
> - Nausea/vomiting (5%)
> - Stuffy nose (5%)
> - Diarrhea (4%)
> - Coughing up blood (1%)
>
> 8. What should health care professionals do?
>
> General use of masks is not recommended. Follow great hand washing and universal precautions. Get kit tested if you are likely to be involved in care of critically ill patients. Know and follow your local public health or ID protocol. Feel free to share yours for those who are developing.
>
> 9. Reinfection?
>
> It is relatively unlikely, but not completely ruled out as a possibility. More likely prolonged shedding. At least short term immunity is noted: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762452
>
> 10. Immunosuppression?
>
> It is a risk for more severe disease. Specific details for each illness are not currently available. It is still relatively rare and developing. Pregnant women do not appear to be at higher risk for severe disease.
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30150-9/fulltext
>
> https://www.rheumatology.org/announcements
>
> 11. Travel Plans?? Should I cancel?
>
> This is currently a personal choice based on area of risk, flights, health condition and also the implications of exposure and possible quarantine. Consider all of this when making your personal decision.
>
> 12. What kills Coronavirus? Surface lifespan?
>
> It survives on surfaces likely around 9 days - but some strains show longer and temp/humidity matters.
>
> https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext
>
> List of things that work against:
> https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/list-n-disinfectants-use-against-sars-cov-2
>
> 13. What do I tell my patients?
>
> 1. This is new and evolving - but most people will be fine.
> 2. Do what you can with hand hygiene and staying home when sick or exposed. Protect those at highest risk in the same way.
> 3. Follow the most recent information via reliable sources - WHO, CDC, public health professionals, etc
> 4. If you think you have been affected or could have the virus, call your local hospital for help before going to the clinic or ER - unless it is an absolute emergency. They can direct you where to go and what to do to prevent additional exposure to others.
> 5. If and when a vaccine or treatment becomes available, seek it.
> 6. Share the information we know - facts always help!
>
> Resources:
>
> CDC information: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
>
> WHO - much of our info comes from the numbers in China.
> https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
>
> https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/index.html
>
> https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses
>
> And PubMed - it’s an evolving disease and thus scientific information continues to come!

  

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195. "aren’t they proving everyone COULD get Medicare "
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They’re waiving all these fees and providing free coverage

...and rightfully so...golf clap...

But I’m still stuck on the idea this necessitates M4A

Even the repugs can see it’s a threat to national security...at the very least

Right?

They’re even talking about covering paid leave, etc...

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197. "yes they are. smart pol would justify some blanket level of care as part"
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of national security.

but that ain't the dude in charge. he fired the whole pandemic response team, pretty much. and thinks you can nuke hurricanes.

need regime change.

but you right.

fwiw, lack of free / affordable healthcare also leaves us vulnerable to a low key bio assault.


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209. "sorry, this made me LOL IRL"
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and thinks you can nuke
>hurricanes.

Cheeto In Chief trying to make Armageddon 2.

  

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199. "I think my classes are all gonna get moved online"
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On one hand, this will fulfill a lifelong wish to teach without ever putting on pants.

On the other, I'm expected to make this switch "abruptly" and will not be compensated for the *huge* amount of work it will entail. And since I'm an adjunct and my four classes are under the purview of three different deans, it's not like any of them will be interested in being de-prioritized to anything but first in line.

This is a smart decision that's doubtlessly being made in order to stop the spread of a dangerous disease. I'm on board with helping with that project in any way that I can, and I love my students and hope that getting through this as a society doesn't disrupt their education and career plans. But it seems like a lot of the responsibility for making this shit work are falling on the least stable shoulders, people like me who are stringing together a bunch of jobs to make their lives work.

I can't imagine that there's not a way to handle this that protects students' health and pays me for my work.

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200. "Sorry to hear about the large amount of work/energy/time "
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you're going to have to invest without proper compensation. There was a piece recently about adjunct professors and how they're treated/compensated (just saw the headline in my twitter feed) I might have to go dig that shit up.


>But it seems like a lot of the responsibility for making this shit
>work are falling on the least stable shoulders, people like me
>who are stringing together a bunch of jobs to make their lives
>work.
>
>I can't imagine that there's not a way to handle this that
>protects students' health and pays me for my work.

Yeah, that's how this is playing out, going to play out I mean they got prisoners literally slaving away to make hand sanitizer. That's the perfect metaphor for this whole situation.

The least among us will be required to 'chip in' and billionaires will get bail outs.

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201. "Thanks, boss"
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I just wanted to complain, so it's nice to be heard.

Truthfully, the no-pants thing is really going to go a long way. If I get to walk students through the Bhagavad Gita on video while I'm Winnie-the-Pooh'ng it, that's a story that's going to last longer than being properly compensated for my time.

And holy shit at the horrifying specificity of those bailouts. Apparently some literal demon who donates to Trump is trying to secure one for the shale industry?

We're all going to die, and they're going to make us apologize for the inconvenience of killing us.

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202. "I feel you homie, let that shit out"
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Also, the fact that being able to Winnie-the-Pooh-it being something that'll smooth a lot of this over for you is awesome/hilarious. Everybody's got their something!


Yeah, man. Demon is right. I am really trying to live long enough to watch them all get their just desserts.

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204. "We need to have a plan for our kids..."
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....this will leave many kids stuck at home with deceased parents ..what a horrible picture that is to think about, but we need to get ready for the very worst



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205. "Well it's in my immediate vicinity now (kinda)"
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My daughter's school cancelled classes today as a visitor/parent at a volleyball game on Monday tested positive yesterday for the virus.

My daughter wasn't there but yeah, it's 'here'.

The district said they were conducting enhanced cleaning and disinfecting of all the schools in the district.

No word on classes tomorrow yet. My assumption is, they may close the schools for at least a week.

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208. "WHO says its pandemic"
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take a message

  

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210. "SF bans large crowds incl. Warriors gms for 2 wks because of coronavirus"
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https://sports.yahoo.com/san-francisco-bans-large-gatherings-of-people-including-warriors-games-for-2-weeks-because-of-coronavirus-173901940.html

  

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211. "Washington banned these in King, Snohomish and Pierce counties."
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aka the major cities.

totally fucked up my week. was supposed to see a show i've been amped for, for 6 months, next Wednesday.

i got an inside source that said the Mariners may not play a home game until May.

also, so many business are about to go belly up for this shit.

  

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213. "yeah that's the crazy part..."
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>also, so many business are about to go belly up for this
>shit.

on the news the other day they were talking about the businesses around facebook and google headquarters hurting because they have mostly shut down, this is now on a whole new level

  

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214. "my friend owns 3 bars, one of which is arguably the most active..."
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and popular music venue in the city (Neumos) so the "bar" is really only popping when there are shows.

i mean, gatherings of over 250 are banned. so unless he can transition to shows under 250 to keep some semblance of business going there, he literally can't operate (as a music venue anyway).

  

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218. "wow that hurts, but on another level I think about the employees..."
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and how it affects them

  

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221. "oh for sure. my other friend is his head of security."
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i mean, if there ain't nothing to secure....

shit sucks.

and these people are FAR from the only ones.

the stress this is gonna put on our financial and social systems is gonna be ROUGH and we got this orange faced idiot in charge who barely thinks this virus is real (and to be clear, i'm not panicking at all but i'm also a realist) let alone thinks the government should help people.

this shit gonna get UGLY.

  

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222. "not to mention hourly people and those who depend on tips..."
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>i mean, if there ain't nothing to secure....
>
>shit sucks.
>
>and these people are FAR from the only ones.
>
>the stress this is gonna put on our financial and social
>systems is gonna be ROUGH and we got this orange faced idiot
>in charge who barely thinks this virus is real (and to be
>clear, i'm not panicking at all but i'm also a realist) let
>alone thinks the government should help people.
>
>this shit gonna get UGLY.

  

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223. "^^^^"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/upshot/coronavirus-sick-days-service-workers.html


"For many workers, being sick means choosing between staying home and getting paid. One-quarter of workers have no access to paid sick days, according to Labor Department data: two-thirds of the lowest earners but just 6 percent of the highest earners. Just a handful of states and local governments have passed sick leave laws.

Only 60 percent of workers in service occupations can take paid time off when they are ill — and they are also more likely than white-collar workers to come in contact with other people’s bodies or food.

“When you’re talking about paid leave and who should stay home, it’s the ones who need it most that don’t have access to it, the ones showing up at work sick touching your food, touching your bags, coming into everyday contact with your direct life,” said Kris Garcia, 43, an airport worker in Denver.

He will not receive paid sick days until he works at his job half a year, and even then, plans to save them for dealing with a chronic disease, hemophilia. “I think people should stay home,” said Mr. Garcia, who is helping an advocacy group on issues like paid leave called Family Values at Work. “But I know I’d need my infusions, whereas if I’m coughing and have a fever, I could push through five hours.”"


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212. "The new spin on coronavirus is pretty disgusting"
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Calling it 'The China Virus' and saying the US-Mexico wall would prevent the spread of coronavirus despite clear messages from the WHO to the contrary, combined with the fact that many of his supporters trust him over the WHO, is scary af

  

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215. "They canceled the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo"
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Okay, now it's real.

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219. "I was going tonight..."
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I have so many prepaid carnival tickets - assuming I just have to eat that cost

  

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224. "So my head of HR is a Fox News Loving Trump Supporter who thinks"
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the Corona Virus is a Dem ploy to bring down Trump.

Having a Right Winger as head of HR has been problematic before, I am thinking this might bring him down.


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225. "Does he also think Italy's quarantine is part of the act?"
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What about China's? Or the actual news?

Bruh, you might have to just not show up one day if it gets too dangerous.

  

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227. "other countries aren't real to people like that"
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you may as well be talking about the Klingon homeworld

  

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228. "unfortunately we'll have to wait until it gets much worse"
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for these people to get past the narrative that this is just media hype in a plan to bring down Trump

I've hear more than one person in real life repeat that stupid shit.

unfortunately that moment might come soon. Numbers wise we're about where italy was a week and a half ago.

  

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278. "Chairman of our board swooped in and shut the office down"
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229. "trump orders govt to keep coronavirus meetings classified smh"
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1237783848487776256
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The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump admin officials

https://t.co/LoQmWZyGez
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230. "all he cares about are the markets."
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/bank-ceos-convene-in-washington-with-president-trump-on-coronavirus.html

^^^ telling all the CEOs to spread message of confidence and business as usual

  

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232. "No fans for March madness"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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233. "yall hear that tin foil malanin prone are immune theory? lol"
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234. "that's a new one"
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it it because there aren't many cases in Africa?

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236. "seems fair"
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237. "edit: melanin"
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257. "tom hanks got it. theory over"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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270. "lol"
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356. "I had the same thought "
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Hadn’t heard anything about MEX or South America

A friend showed me this map; confirmed tab

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

It does look like it’s skipping Africa

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239. "Those are some pretty socialist ideas. Trump is a socialist it seems."
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Watching him talk, jesus.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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240. "Did Trump say anything about increased testing?"
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249. "He doesn't want to mess his numbers up"
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241. "No travel from Europe to the US?!?!"
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What is going on out here? Are we living in the beginning of Train to Busan?

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258. "apparently it's foreign nationals only, for certains countries"
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Breaking: @DHS says Trump's order is suspending travel for most foreign nationals who have been in the Schengen area in the last 14 days, does not apply to legal permanent US residents, immediate family of US citizens and others

lol at exempting UK from the order though. And also he made it seem like cargos would be suspended too, which is not true apparently

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261. "How is it possible that a prepared statement abt policy is so unclear? l..."
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267. "Dude has one trick in his bag."
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Crisis occurs, start limiting outsiders from coming into the U.S.

They're all still framing it as a "foreign" virus, as if 1) the means anything and 2) would make a difference even if it was.

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242. "Well THAT was reassuring."
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Is it just me, it did it sound like he was trying to hold back some sniffles?

Not that that means anything, necessarily. I've been trying to hold back sniffles all day too. Just allergies, but people are understandably paranoid.

  

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243. "At the end his face looked like: "Oh god...please don't let me sneeze""
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He looked like he couldn't wait to get his closing lines

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245. "Yeah it did seem like something was going on"
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That was weird.

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250. "Hasn't he been like that forever though?"
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I remember him sniffing and sniffling a while back and it being a twitter topic for a bit

I didn't watch the speech because I have limits so it might be different than what was happening before.

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252. "He has."
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To be clear, I'm not saying I think he has the virus. Just that it's funny watching him try to avoid looking like he has the virus.

  

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266. "I'm pretty sure he didn't know what he was saying as he read it"
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Another Stephen Miller sure shot.

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284. "he looked like a hostage"
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he never looks confident reading off a teleprompter, but he had a dear in headlights look here.

the sniffles are standard for him. seems he's snorting aderal or something. he tends to sniffle at thhings he's not completely comfortable with. he sniffled at all his debates with hillary. or maybe it's just a nervous tick with him.

  

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326. "I'm sure he did a looooooooot of coke in the 80's."
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And yeah, something must be keeping him upright nowadays on 3hrs sleep per night.

  

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244. "Trump gonna toss rolls of toilet paper to people or nah?"
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246. "The NBA has shut down!!!"
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Suspended indefinitely because Rudy Gobert has tested positive.

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251. "uh, they're not suspending because of Rudy lol"
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>Suspended indefinitely because Rudy Gobert has tested
>positive.

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253. "*shrug* Just reporting what's in the news"
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I guess you can argue cause and effect. But the NBA's statement seems to suggest that his illness is the reason

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/03/11/nba-suspends-season-after-rudy-gobert-reportedly-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

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254. "it's the impetus, for sure, but they were gonna do it soon anyway"
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smh at corny-ass Rudy. Dope player but he's got a bit of Dwight Howard in him

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247. "Tom Hanks and Rita"
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Fuck

  

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248. "every time i hear trump speak i hate white people."
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256. "All this over a liberal hoax ?! Hard to believe."
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259. "Dow futures down more than 1,000pts"
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so you're saying it wasn't a perfect speech?

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262. "BUT UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT AN ALL-TIME LOW!!!"
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302. "SHIT, IT'S ABOUT TO BE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH..."
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with the way small businesses are closing down already.

  

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260. "this mutherfucker"
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This dude reads like a 4th grader! OMG he is so exposed when he has to read etc. NOW this mutherfucnker States the severity of the virus, like the health leaders have been stating for the past few weeks. I thought everything was "perfect." This piece of shit is a piece of work, to hell with him and his administration.

  

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263. "He's a despicable human being. "
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264. "meanwhile, China is slowly coming out of their 2 month quarantine "
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And slowly getting back to normal. They shut shit down immediately that’s why . Italy immediately followed suit.

1000 new cases have been reported in America, with 31 of them being fatal. But here in america we are still trying to go and out and be recreational.

So much money and resources but little intelligence in this country.

  

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269. "I don't believe anything China is saying. Y'all shouldn't either...."
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265. "this might be trumps 9/11."
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meaning...

a case of severe incompetence and reckless dereliction of duty that...rather than ultimately being harmful to those who are responsible...might actually be advantageous to their agenda.

if theres one thing authoritarians are known for...its exploiting disaster for political gain and power seizure.

for example...this is already having some effect on elections and it will only get worse. but instead of doing things like implementing mandatory no-excuse absentee ballots and mail voting in every state...theyll prolly move for more polling place closures/relocations, suspending fed/state/local govt agencies and initiatives dealing with election management/education/registration/etc, and so on.

right now...instead of things like paid leave and drive-thru testing...theyre pushing tax cuts and more stringent medicaid work requirements.

as the panic/paranoia and danger to society increases...so will their threshold for how far theyre willing to go to capitalize off of it.

they never let a good disaster go to waste.

  

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268. "when they write the story about how american civilization collapsed"
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gotta dedicate an entire chapter to this one night:
https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1237908112834691074

  

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271. "we deserve whatever's coming"
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279. "what's this WE shit???! "
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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280. "Right? I think T Reynolds is white."
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285. "nah bro. But if that makes you feel better go ahead"
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287. "I'm just echoing the sentiment of this tweet. We are in a bad"
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situation as a country right now, and at least some of it we are responsible for

  

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288. "Never take ownership of something you had no hand in......"
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289. "Our culture is pretty fucked up. That's all I'm saying "
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294. "The reality is that humankind in general is fcked up in many aspects...b..."
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that could very well be the design of this thing called life....

There are no perfect societies in this world.... No one shining star that anyone can look to as the shining example of how to exist. Everybody got dirt.


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295. "True true. The tweet was about the decline of our civilization "
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whether we want to accept it or not, great civilizations have fallen and we're not immune to social and environmental ails that fell those

Not trying to be some two-bit doomsday prophet in here my bad lol

This is just how I'm feeling right now with all this shit going on

  

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297. "I just want us all to go out with our heads held high! "
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298. "*snaps off crisp salute*"
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303. "when they write the book it's not gonna say "Americans, except FLUIDJ""
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305. "lol... "
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273. "Oh and they're still cutting SNAP benefits for 700,000 on April 1."
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Per Secretary of the USDA. They are not pushing this back based on the virus.

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277. "This is outside the scope of this thread of course"
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but social spending cuts in the second term of a Trump presidency are going to be quite scary if he get re-elected, especially since he's running a huge deficit if I'm not mistaken.

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474. "Judge Blocks Rule That Would Have Kicked 700,000 People Off SNAP"
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2020/03/14/815748914/judge-blocks-rule-that-would-have-kicked-700-000-people-off-snap

Judge Blocks Rule That Would Have Kicked 700,000 People Off SNAP
March 14, 202012:06 AM ET
MARIA GODOY

A federal judge has issued an injunction blocking the Trump administration from adopting a rule change that would force nearly 700,000 Americans off food stamps, officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. The rule change was set to take effect April 1.

In a ruling issued Friday evening in Washington, D.C., U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell called the rule change capricious, arbitrary and likely unlawful.

The rule change would have required able-bodied adults without children to work at least 20 hours a week in order to qualify for SNAP benefits past three months. It would also have limited states' usual ability to waive those requirements depending on economic conditions. The preliminary injunction will preserve that flexibility.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture announced it was adopting the rule change in December, but critics have called on the department to suspend implementation, especially in light of the economic crisis spurred by the coronavirus pandemic. Earlier this week, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said the department planned to move ahead with the rule.

While the rule applies to "able-bodied adults without dependents," anti-hunger advocates note that category can include parents who don't have primary custody of their kids, youths who have recently aged out of foster care and some low-income college students.

In her ruling, Howell cited concerns raised by the spread of coronavirus and its effect on the most vulnerable Americans. "Especially now, as a global pandemic poses widespread health risks, guaranteeing that government officials at both the federal and state levels have flexibility to address the nutritional needs of residents and ensure their well-being through programs like SNAP, is essential," she wrote.

The change to SNAP is now blocked from taking effect pending the outcome of a lawsuit by 19 states plus the District of Columbia and New York City.

"This is a major victory for our country's most vulnerable residents who rely on SNAP to eat," D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine, who co-led the coalition behind the lawsuit, said in a statement. "The Trump administration's rule would have forced hundreds of thousands of people who could not find work, including 13,000 District residents, to go hungry. That could have been catastrophic in the midst of our current public health emergency."

"At a time of national crisis, this decision is a win for common sense and basic human decency," New York Attorney General Letitia James, who co-led the coalition with Racine, said in a statement. Her office noted that the change would have denied SNAP benefits to more than 50,000 people in New York City alone.

"As we find ourselves in the midst of a pandemic," James said, "the effects of this rule would be more destructive than ever."

  

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276. "stay well Biden/Sanders"
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281. "Digging mass graves in Iran"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/

https://youtu.be/lm2UFynetJw

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286. "Tax breaks, bailouts? Socialism is bad tho, right? "
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290. "you took my post."
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i was literally just thinking about this.

if the financial impact of this continues, we're gonna have socialism by default.

i was trying to think about what odd jobs i could do around my apartment complex to "pay" for "rent."

  

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291. "smh base"
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292. "they care more about the economic response than the medical/health one."
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293. "Republicans Want Medicare for All, but Just for This One Disease (swipe)..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/opinion/coronavirus-socialism.html

All it took was a pandemic of potentially unprecedented scale and severity and suddenly it’s like we’re turning into Denmark over here.

In the last few days, a parade of American companies that had long resisted providing humane and necessary benefits to their workers abruptly changed their minds, announcing plans to pay and protect even their lowest-rung employees harmed by the ravages of the coronavirus.

Uber and Lyft — which are currently fighting state efforts to force them to pay benefits to drivers and other “gig” workers — announced that, actually, a form of paid sick leave wasn’t such a bad idea after all. Drivers who contract the new virus or who are placed in quarantine will get paid for up to two weeks, Uber said. Lyft offered a similar promise of compensation.

Trader Joe’s also says it will cover for time off for the virus. Several tech giants said they would continue to pay their hourly employees who cannot work during the outbreak, and Amazon said it won’t dock warehouse workers for missing shifts.

And after the journalist Judd Legum pointed out its long history of fighting sick-leave policies, Darden Restaurants, which runs several restaurant chains, including Olive Garden, said that its 170,000 hourly workers would now get paid sick leave.

It wasn’t just sick leave. Overnight, workplaces across the country were transformed into Scandinavian Edens of flexibility. Can’t make it to the office because your kid has to unexpectedly stay home from school? Last week, it sucked to be you. This week: What are you even doing asking? Go home, be with your kid!

Then politicians got into the act. The Trump administration — last seen proposing to slash a pay raise for federal workers and endorsing a family leave policy that doesn’t actually pay for family leave — is now singing the praises of universal sick pay. “When we tell people, ‘If you’re sick, stay home,’ the president has tasked the team with developing economic policies that will make it very, very clear that we’re going to stand by those hard-working Americans,” Vice President Mike Pence said on Monday, offering the sort of rhetoric that wouldn’t be out of place on the pages of Jacobin.

And wasn’t it almost funny how everyone and their doctor was suddenly extolling the benefits of government-funded health care for all? When the Trump administration told Congress that it was considering reimbursing hospitals for treating uninsured Americans who contracted Covid-19, Republicans who had long opposed this sort of “socialized medicine” were now conceding that, well, of course, they didn’t mean it quite so absolutely.

“You can look at it as socialized medicine,” Representative Ted Yoho, a Republican from Florida, told HuffPost. “But in the face of an outbreak, a pandemic, what’s your options?”

As I said, it’s almost funny: Everyone’s a socialist in a pandemic. But the laugh catches in your throat, because the only joke here is the sick one American society plays on workers every day.

The truth is that we’re nowhere near turning into Denmark. Many of the newly announced worker-protection policies, like sick leave and flexibility, are limited, applying only to the effects of this coronavirus (the exception is Darden’s new sick-leave plan, which the company says is permanent). The administration’s proposed relief plan could well be vaporware. And Republicans’ interest in universal health care is ephemeral. Call it Medicare For All But Just For This One Disease.

But there’s an even deeper tragedy at play, beyond the meagerness of the new benefits. The true embarrassment is that it took a pandemic for leaders to realize that the health of the American work force is important to the strength of the nation.

As the coronavirus spiders across the planet, I’ve been thinking about the illness as a very expensive stress test for the global order — an acute, out-of-nowhere shock that is putting pressure on societies at their weakest points. Some nations, like Iran and perhaps Italy, are teetering under the threat; others, like South Korea, are showing remarkable resilience. The best ones will greet the crisis as an opportunity to build a more robust society, even better prepared for a future unseen danger. The worst will treat it as a temporary annoyance, refusing to consider deeper fixes even if they somehow stagger through this crisis.

It is not yet clear how well the American system will respond, but the early signs are far from encouraging. What we’re learning is that our society might be far more brittle than we had once imagined. The virus has laid bare our greatest vulnerability: We’ve got the world’s biggest economy and the world’s strongest military, but it turns out we might have built the entire edifice upon layers and layers of unaccounted-for risk, because we forgot to assign a value to the true measure of a nation’s success — the well-being of its population.

Much of the danger we face now grows out of America’s tattered social safety net — the biting cost and outright lack of health care and child care and elder care, the corporate war on paid leave, and the plagues of homelessness and hunger. As the virus gains a foothold on our shores, many Americans are only now waking up to the ways these flaws in the safety net cascade into one another. If companies don’t pay workers when they’re off sick, they’ll have an incentive to work while ill, endangering everyone. If you don’t cover people’s medical bills, they may not seek medical help, endangering everyone.

There may be a silver lining here: What if the virus forces Americans and their elected representatives to recognize the strength of a collectivist ethos? The coronavirus, in fact, offers something like a preview of many of the threats we might face from the worst effects of climate change. Because the virus is coldly indiscriminate and nearly inescapable, it leaves us all, rich and poor, in the same boat: The only way any of us is truly protected is if the least among us is protected.

So what if we used this illness as an excuse to really, permanently protect the least among us?

I would like to imagine this bright future. But I’ll confess I’m not optimistic. More than a decade ago, America stumbled through the Great Recession without imposing many significant fixes for the excesses of our financial system. The titans of Wall Street were protected and working people were left with scraps.

The coronavirus might teach us all to value a robust safety net — but there’s a good chance we’ll forget the lesson, because this is America, and forgetting working people is just what we do.

  

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300. "great piece. a interdependent human needs-based worldview"
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versus various neoliberal corporate worldviews and all the contradictions and demands of "modern" life are coming into clear distinction in front of the world. the south koreans, taiwanese, and chinese have successfully thrown their best at this for the world to see and know how to survive.

  

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321. "We can’t let this turn into 2008-9"
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Where the people responsible for our broken system get their protection and then it’s right back on the treadmill. There are going to be more diseases. The average person’s economic security still sucks. Climate change is still developing.

  

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296. "Thats what Im saying"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13369550&mesg_id=13369550&page=#13372817

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299. "My kissing Booth stock is way down"
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And my side hustle as an abacus calculator ain't calling me back.

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301. "when I made this post on 2/29, there were 66 Covid-19 cases here"
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12 days later, there are 1,200

we have tested less than 10,000 people.

In S. Korea, in the same amount of time, they have tested over 10,000 people PER DAY.

that's all y'all should need to know to stay the fuck home.

Cancel Everything.

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304. "Yea the curve being so exponential is what's alarming."
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>12 days later, there are 1,200
>
>we have tested less than 10,000 people.
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>In S. Korea, in the same amount of time, they have tested over
>10,000 people PER DAY.
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>that's all y'all should need to know to stay the fuck home.
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>Cancel Everything.
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306. "Damn..Cancel Culture done got SOCIETY"
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311. "my job wants us to alternate work from home every 3 days..."
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....and come to work 3 days so there's less people in the office. ...that doesn't help anyone if the germs are in the fucking office!!!! And what happens when someone is supposed to come in, and they call out sick?

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319. "we just had a call to WFH the rest of March"
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344. "S Korea is up to almost 20k tested per day"
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And the USA has tested less than 10k total. Abysmal.

Source (BBC): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860529

"The Atlantic, which is running a project to track the number of tests being conducted, estimates about 8,000 people have been tested. Meanwhile, lawmakers who went to a briefing with health officials told Politico that fewer than 10,000 Americans had been tested.

By contrast, South Korea has tested more than 210,000 people and is testing nearly 20,000 people every day, while in the UK, more than 29,700 people have been tested, and more than 1,000 tests are being carried out per day."

  

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307. "What even is the testing protocol?"
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just call ahead to whatever hospital or PCP you need to go to?

  

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309. "Why? Most places don't even have the capabilities to test."
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323. "our health dept said MARCH 23"
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And even then capacity to test two dozen a day.

All these colleges canceled because they know Spring Break was about to set off a virus bomb. Good on them. I don’t trust the communities these kids are coming home to to be ready though:

  

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310. "i think you call the CDC and they tell you where to go."
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or to stay home.

  

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308. "Seems like the Johns Hopkins site is down. WTH? n/m"
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312. "yeah i thought it was just me...damn"
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313. "UNC school system only doing remote classes..."
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the college where i work is part of this system and is a ghost town. spring break has been extended out from being just this week out to march 23rd or something like that. this shit is like the twilight zone smh

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/11/all-unc-system-schools-end-in-person-classes-transition-alternative-course-delivery-by-march/

  

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314. "Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills(link):"
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Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills — and that's the real global emergency

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-deaths-trump-stock-market-pandemic-economy-bankrupt-italy-a9394891.html?

  

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315. "there definitely should be a hold on bills"
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mortgage, rent, student loans, CC. put a pause on all of that until things stabilize and people can get back to work.

  

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317. "yeah right lol..."
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>mortgage, rent, student loans, CC. put a pause on all of that
>until things stabilize and people can get back to work.

  

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330. "they're starting to take measures like that in Europe"
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https://www.archyde.com/italy-freezes-mortgage-payments-up-to-18-months-due-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

meanwhile the Fed dropped 1.5T of cash on the market today to prop up asset prices

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401. "Omaha's power and water utilities won't cut power for late fees"
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"The utility understands some customers may experience challenges during this time. To support them, Burke said OPPD will suspend disconnections for non-payment through April 30. At that time, the utility will re-evaluate this moratorium."


https://oppdthewire.com/keeping-the-power-on-while-covid-19-plans-in-place/


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372. "I'm officially concerned my place of business is going to close"
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Buffet just announced the cancellation of the annual Berkshire shareholders conference, an event that generated about 5% of our restaurant's total income over just four days last year. 5% is one of those numbers that doesn't sound so significant (sort of like, oh I don't know, 3.2%...) until you consider the sample size. That's roughly .01% of our total time in operation throughout the year; in other words, it pays the goddamn rent.

I really like my job and have no idea what I'd do if it were to fall into serious jeopardy.


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316. "Biben's response definitely sounds more presidential than all of Trumps ..."
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combined.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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318. "I appreciate Cuomo’s updates for NYS..."
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are the governors in your states doing this?

  

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320. "Trump's go to response of "It's possible" is the worst in these situatio..."
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I get that he's a weasel and he doesn't want to commit to anything unless he's forced to. But cmon...keeping people guessing is not what's needed right now.


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President Trump said on Thursday that he could restrict domestic travel to regions of the United States where the coronavirus becomes “too hot.”

Asked by a reporter in the Oval Office whether he was considering limits on travel inside the country to hard-hit states like Washington or California, Mr. Trump said the subject had not yet been discussed, before adding: “Is it a possibility? Yes, if somebody gets a little bit out of control, if an area gets too hot.”
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Also this is an ominous statement that I don't like to hear from this guy. Trump:"I have the right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about"


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President Trump is weighing whether to declare a national emergency over the coronavirus, which would free up additional resources to combat the rapidly spreading disease.

The president indicated to reporters that using an emergency declaration under the Stafford Act was under consideration, but would not say definitively whether he would sign it on Thursday.

"We have things that I can do. We have very strong emergency powers under the Stafford Act," he said during an Oval Office meeting with the Irish prime minister. "I have it memorized practically as to the powers in that act, and if I need to do something I’ll do it. I have the right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about."

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322. "hold on LOL you can actually catch this shit TWICE?"
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https://fortune.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-recover-test-positive-twice/

  

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324. "Call this shit Bébé's Virus....."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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328. "yes, just like you can get a cold, flu, or pneumonia multiple times."
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same family, but this is that cousin that shows up to the reunion for the first time.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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339. "it's unknown. they suspect a lot of people who were &quot;cured&quot;"
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weren't, and different tests registered differently. you might still have it in your system

also there's more than one strain

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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327. "mod note: avoid sensationalized news"
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html

(This is from a week ago, syndicated from another outlet.

please be very careful about what you share)

  

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331. "damn that shit prolly look like resident evil over there."
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332. "Old images, but look at the pollution images pre vs post:"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/01/world/nasa-china-pollution-coronavirus-trnd-scn/index.html

  

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336. "peep"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13369550&mesg_id=13369550&page=#13372853

  

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329. "should i still go to the strip club?"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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343. "if you gotta catch it somehow"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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333. "No March Madness "
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334. "Dr Anthony Fauci...please pick up the white courtesy phone "
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That dude about to get FIYAH’D

Can’t be out here telling the truth and shit

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670. "...and just like that, he was gone... (c)"
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335. "joe biden looked like a real president in his address."
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good move to show that contrast.

  

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337. "sigh"
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https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/updated-plan-address-coronavirus?source=soc-WB-ew-fb-Rollout-20200312&fbclid=IwAR0pIBHVAEGEgUvj3AaRzJtZ9Yh4VwO0wu6q1P12UB3HkTe-SQeVJTMQRTo

To address our public health and economic problems, we need an assertive response to three immediate challenges:

1. Slow the spread of the virus. Given the general lack of sick leave in the US, many people will go to work even when they feel unwell. Others who feel sick may not get tested or treated because the costs are prohibitively high. Both of these factors will accelerate the spread of the virus.

My plan from last week addresses these issues by ensuring that every American, including those without insurance, can get all recommended evaluation and care for coronavirus for free. In addition, my plan calls for the creation of an emergency paid leave program financed by the government so that people can take fully paid time off to appropriately isolate, get tested or treated, or to provide care for someone who needs to be tested or treated. Employees who rely on tips should receive paid time off that reflects their full compensation, not just their base wage compensation.

In addition, the lack of widespread testing in the United States—especially in comparison to South Korea and other countries—is a disgrace. According to the CDC’s last released data, our country has tested fewer than 2,000 people in a population of over 300 million. If we hope to control this outbreak, the Administration must immediately allocate funds from the recent emergency supplemental appropriation to state and local health departments and hospitals to rapidly stand up testing capacity nationwide. Additionally, to the extent that volume constraints at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention limit testing kit distribution or technical assistance to labs developing their own tests, it is critical to temporarily increase their capacity.

2. Rapidly increase the capacity of our health care system. Our health care system should be dramatically scaled up capacity to handle the upcoming surge in patients requiring hospitalization or time in intensive care. Hospitals may hesitate to make those investments themselves because the rise in incoming patients is only temporary.

The US faces large potential shortages in ICU capacity and in ventilators. All available and relevant manufacturing capacity should be put towards quickly producing additional ventilators. And to reduce the strain on ICUs, the CDC should direct hospitals in regions experiencing growing case counts to delay all elective or non-urgent surgeries.

Furthermore, the federal government should guarantee additional resources to hospitals and frontline health clinics across the board. First, the administration should use the National Disaster Medical System to cover uninsured people with Medicare for any recommended care for coronavirus, and it should temporarily increase the federal match rate for Medicaid. These two actions will bolster our health system when it needs extra resources and act as a stimulus to mitigate any economic shock to state budgets.

It is also essential that the federal government provide temporary regulatory flexibility, accompanied by clear guidance, that will help health care providers on the frontline adapt effectively and allow the system to handle a massive influx of patients. That’s why I am calling on President Trump to issue a Stafford Act declaration for coronavirus. This would open additional funding channels and permit appropriate regulatory flexibility. In addition, a Stafford Act declaration, combined with the current Public Health Emergency declaration, will allow HHS to enact Section 1135 waivers that remove key barriers to care. This will improve the health system’s ability to adapt by temporarily adjusting various federal rules, including elements of the Medicare and Medicaid programs and barriers to telehealth, which can and should play a key role in containing the spread of coronavirus. The initial commitment to these initiatives should be at least $50 billion.

3. Mitigate the economic harm. Coronavirus will have significant and wide-ranging effects on our economy. Consumers will cut back on spending. Some firms will face a sudden loss of revenue and may face pressure to lay off workers. Uncertainty about the length of the crisis or its ultimate impacts will slow investment. There is also a growing tail risk in which lower oil prices lead to a wave of bankruptcies in the highly leveraged shale sector, which in turn affects employment, credit conditions, and bank stability.

Conservatively, we should be planning for an economic hit that is at least the equivalent of 2% of GDP, or roughly $400 billion. But if the tail risks are realized, the potential decline in GDP could be similar in magnitude to the decline experienced in the Fall of 2008: more than 5% of GDP (at an annualized rate).

Ten days ago, I proposed a $400 billion stimulus package focused on:

Low or no-interest loans to companies of all sizes that have been negatively affected by coronavirus-related supply chain disruptions, and that will use the money to avoid layoffs and hours reductions, not to provide executive compensation, dividends, or share buybacks.

Unemployment insurance and other direct payments to households, with the exact amounts tied to unemployment levels and wage growth.

Direct aid to state and local governments that may be losing revenue because of coronavirus, in order to minimize reductions in services for residents.

Jump starting our ability to make our own active pharmaceutical ingredients and their base components by establishing a strategy to support domestic manufacturers, with the ultimate goal of requiring all federal agencies that procure or reimburse for drugs (like the DOD, VA, and Medicare) to preference drugs with American-made ingredients.

Green infrastructure investments, like domestically produced clean energy, that can be accomplished even with the supply chain disruptions that are likely to exist with a widespread coronavirus outbreak.

In addition, I proposed that the Federal Reserve Board announce that it stands ready to use its emergency lending authority to create a broad-based emergency lending facility program to help real economy companies whose supply chains have been disrupted because of the coronavirus and who will use the money to do right by their workforce.

But with the potential threat to the economy growing, further stimulus is critical:

We should increase Social Security benefit checks by $200 per month per beneficiary to provide an additional source of income to seniors and people with disabilities, who may face more serious medical concerns and disruptions in their daily activities as a result of the virus.

We should provide broad student loan debt cancellation, along the lines of what I’ve previously proposed, which will stimulate economic growth and deliver financial benefits quickly and widely.

We should also design the changes to our unemployment insurance programs as automatic increases that kick in when certain triggers are hit, rather than as a temporary, one-time increase, because such a response is always productive in a crisis situation and we should not need to rely on Congress to act in a timely fashion each time.

And we should aim to build up our national scientific capacity, including the ability to bring vaccines to market, by committing $200 billion to vaccine development efforts over the coming years. This will require guaranteed purchases of an eventual coronavirus vaccine after the current crisis passes to ensure sufficient demand for manufacturers. A commitment of this size to basic scientific research, drug development and clinical trials, and capacity building for domestic pharmaceutical ingredient manufacturing would change the economics of vaccine development dramatically. And, as I laid out in my first pandemic preparedness plan, a portion of this investment should be directed to the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, a global alliance focused on vaccine development, including a universal flu vaccine.

Ultimately, the total package I am proposing is roughly $750 billion, along with an open-ended commitment to provide emergency paid leave as needed. With the federal government able to borrow essentially for free, we should take swift and decisive action now to provide the benefits people need to limit the spread of the virus and mitigate harm to our economy. And many of these investments will have positive long-term effects too.

  

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338. "King/Snohomish/Pierce counties in WA order to close all schools..."
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until April 26th by Gov. Inslee.

I saw that coming because my kid is already in week 2 of schooling remotely from home.

it's working so well i expect them to just have the kids school from home for the rest of the year to be ultra cautious.

  

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341. "What’s the workload like/child’s age?"
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342. "she's 11...5th grade."
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here's todays work (and what has been typical so far):

"Good Morning 5th graders!

Everyone has done a fantastic job keeping up with your online learning so far! We will have our first Zoom chat tomorrow at 1pm. Listen to today’s video announcements for more details.

Assignments for Thursday, March 12th

Computers
20 minutes on I-ready math

Math
Lesson 7.3 Math video (SAB 219), Expressions with Variables
Remembering pg. 147 # 2, 3, 5, 6, 8
7.3 Exit Ticket (on Google classroom)

Reading
Read 30 minutes from your book of choice and complete today’s reading exit ticket (on Google classroom)

Writing
Narrative Writing Prompt (on Google classroom) Due Monday 3/16

Science
TCI 4.1 Lesson Game (Building Blocks) on TCI site, finish any other reading and notes.

Specialist
Check in at 11 a.m. for Music assignments."

my kid is actually loving learning from home. she's not super social, she has a close group of friends but not a social butterfly. she also has a hard time focusing in the class room. so, she talks to her friends on skype, and she's WAY more focused. they have to log in by 9:45 each morning which counts as attendance (so she gets to sleep in more...we usually ahve her log in by 9am though) and she's usually done with all her work by 1:30 at the latest, so she has more of her day to herself. with her not being SUPER social, this may be working out better for her than some. what i'm enjoying is her focus, cuz i'm the homework helper but now i'm not finding the really silly errors she'd make before due to her lack of focus.

  

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350. "Thanks"
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I teach the same age group and I’m trying to get parent perspectives for when we inevitably go online. (I’d survey my classes but that wouldn’t look good going around the admin).

Families are going to want me to prioritize math and science and my partner teacher has a novel/writing ready to go. With social studies, I'm debating setting aside the curriculum and working on geography (or just pausing there altogether in the name of lessening the load.) that’s interesting about classes like music - I’ve been expecting our specials/electives/clubs to get neglected.

I used to teach in King County and we’re definitely not as plugged in for online learning in south Texas as it is there. I can think of all sorts of ways to set up lessons and get them to families but I don’t think actual video is going to work for my whole class. And submissions/accountability are going to need to be worked out for some families.

I suppose it’s like any other kind of differentiation. Some kids are going to take to it more easily than others.

  

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375. "UPDATE: well, your your point about King County..."
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as a consequence of Gov. Inslee closing the King/Snohomish/Pierce county K-12 schools thru April 24, today is her last day of online learning.

i guess because her district (Northshore) is more prepared than others, it's not fair for Northshore (and other prepared districts) students to keep learning when other kids can't.

so, EVERYTHING is cancelled starting Monday until 4/24.

i guess i get it, but i also don't.

  

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382. "I’d hope to see community groups work out options"
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Almost like a distance homeschooling collective. Most families have other shit to figure out now, and they can work on learning when they settle in to quarantines and people get bored

kids are also super resilient in many ways and there’s a lot of redundancy (unfortunately) built into too many school systems, especially come that last two months of the year

I’ve been advocating for cancelling standardized testing

  

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340. "Congresswoman Katie Porter just FLAMBE'd the CDC head."
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yikes.

browbeat his ass into committing to free COVID 19 testing for all americans.

that was something to watch.

  

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345. "San Diego stores are being mobbed"
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Like day before Super Bowl mobbed, but instead of chips and beer it's soap, toilet paper, and pasta.

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346. "i went to the store after work for milk and a salad.."
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while there i remember we were out of the top ramen i like.

went to the ramen aisle...NOPE.

  

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347. "same shit in Houston"
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For the record, my teams:
MLB: Mets / Soccer: PSG
NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
NBA: Spurs / NFL: Jets

  

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348. "Yes they are, my wife went to Mission Valley Costco tonight "
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She said it looked like Walmart on Black Friday for water, TP, and food. She sent me pictures and whole isles were cleaned out. Like Costco was liquidating and going out of business.

  

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351. "i put in a $100 order for walmart delivery."
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they had like $20 of the shit in stock.

i dont even know why they wasted me and the delivery drivers time like that.

  

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352. "I've had to go to Costco in La twice this week for the pharmacy "
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For my mom. Tuesday was busy ur not so bad but they were out of paper goods (and of course sanitizer)

Today it was madness. They had Tp in stock but it was black Friday in that place. I went 15 minutes after they opened and you couldn't find parking.

I stocked up last week but I would have grabbed a few things if it wasn't so nuts.

Scary knowing its gonna get worse

  

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362. "I saw photos on social media last night"
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that the fairly gigantic Wegmans that recently opened up here in Brooklyn had aisles that were stripped bare. I have the sad feeling that the aisles are going to be ghost towns when I eventually get the chance to go grocery shopping tomorrow.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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349. "this feels like the 9/11 post, in slow motion. "
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we're gathered around the intertubes, sharing news of what's happening across the country and around the globe.


peace & blessings,

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483. "yup and every day the plane gets closer to hitting the building"
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we haven't seen anything yet.

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353. "Trudeau's wife"
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Why wouldn't he also get tested?

"There are no plans at present for Mr Trudeau to be tested for coronavirus."
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860702

Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, wife of Canadian PM Justin Trudeau, has tested positive for coronavirus, a statement from the prime minister's office says.

"She will remain in isolation for the time being. She is feeling well, is taking all the recommended precautions and her symptoms remain mild," it read.

The couple is now self-isolating.

Mr Trudeau is in good health and has no symptoms, according to his office, but he will remain in isolation for 14 days.

There are no plans at present for Mr Trudeau to be tested for coronavirus.

"The prime minister will continue to fully assume his duties and will address Canadians tomorrow (Friday)," his office said.

There are currently approximately 103 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Canada.


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355. "Took a shared Lyft as my boss doesn't want us on the train"
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Dead ass the chick that got picked up before me and dropped off before had a mask on, and got dropped at

NYU Langone

LOOOL

I did my first shared yesterday ever and my second today pretty much ensures it's the last time. Might as well be around sick people for subway fare if that's the case.

Starting to work from home (finally) starting monday

  

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357. "i would hate to be a doctor who has to play gawd at this time."
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which one of you will live: retired 69 year old Joe, married for over 30 years and has grandkids or hardworking 32 year old Nancy w/ 2 kids under 18.

and the current mindset of pregnant women who dont want nobody near them is probably out of this world.

take a message

  

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358. "lmao. we putting up Biden to replace these bums"
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Mr. "veto it even in the hypothetical that it passes the neolib-controlled House and Senate" with a "personal responsibility" speech instead of a "here's how we handle this collectively to reduce the threat, like countries such as China did"

marginal improvement from the disaster that is Trump, but goddamn.

Jim Clyburn is the Elder of Butter Biscuit Procurement, and ought to be a top ranking scapegoat if/when this fails.


Trump sat on his hands, prolly got the shit, just because it would impact his re-election. because "less cases = better outcomes".

meanwhile

Fed: *injects 1.5 trillion into the markets so that the crock market just blips for a second*

I'm good and can work remotely.
a lot of people can't.
individual businesses and states are doing the work the feds can't/won't do.

if I'm on the other side of this shit in 2021 I'm gonna see what Germany looks like, God Damn America.

  

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359. "where did this money come from?"
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>Fed: *injects 1.5 trillion into the markets so that the crock market just blips for a second*

cuz it sure aint tax money.



yet next month 700K Americans are gonna lose SNAP, not to mention homelessness continues to rise, insurmountable college debt, costly medical bills, paid sick leave being denied to every american....but this monopoly money gave a 3 hour boost to the stock market.


take a message

  

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361. "^^^^"
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>>Fed: *injects 1.5 trillion into the markets so that the
>crock market just blips for a second*
>
>cuz it sure aint tax money.
>
>
>
>yet next month 700K Americans are gonna lose SNAP, not to
>mention homelessness continues to rise, insurmountable college
>debt, costly medical bills, paid sick leave being denied to
>every american....but this monopoly money gave a 3 hour boost
>to the stock market.

should be the end of "HoW WiLl YoU PaY fOr It"

when we know the answer to THAT question is taxes go up for most people making over $80K a year, and the amount they would go up on the most wealthy is a LAUGHABLE amount (like $10K. that's nothing to a billionaire)

  

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373. "LOL I literally sent this exact tweet last nite."
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383. "it's 1000% tax money"
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363. "If I was Bern, I’d crunch the numbers on where "
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We would be today...if his plans had been implemented in 2017

The market is now reset to 2016

...and we’re cutting checks for billions of $s at a time...

Socialized Medicine ✔️
They’re even talking extended paid leave and UBI now

We should get a comparison of how much this is costing now vs what it would have cost if M4A was implemented.

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374. "This post is stupid as FUCK"
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>marginal improvement from the disaster that is Trump, but goddamn.

This shows how fucking stupid you are being.

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441. "look, motherfucker. Did you see this dude's town hall"
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following this mess?

Did you see this shit?

https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/1238639804482551809
THIS is supposed to beat a Trump cult?!! THIS?

I want you to watch that motherfuckin video and tell me how much confidence you have in THIS being enough for this guy to be ousted.

Fuckin' Democratic Party ain't got the answers.


  

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419. "marginal improvement?"
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get off that Bernie juice bro, it's making you goofy.

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442. "You can read, right? It said MARGINAL."
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the Democrats needed to take this seriously.

even through disaster, you see how the Republicans respond

you see what kind of constituency they have?

and the Democrats run around a candidate who can't see right from left because they don't want to make America livable.

Joe Biden is literally the "not Trump" candidate and nothing more. that's marginal.

I'm saying that's not enough, even now. Joe and his handlers need to get serious right now if they're going to reap the Boomer wave.

you need more than the low bar of not Trump, you need to illustrate how you would do this better than Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is up here lying, making up public-private "solutions"
what's Joe gonna do better? Why ain't he saying it?

  

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364. "Trump Admin Blocks States from Using Medicaid to Respond to Corona Virus"
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They think they can keep sweeping this under the rug.

It's almost like they want people to die...
Narrator: That's because they DO want people to die.


https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-13/trump-administration-blocks-states-use-medicaid-respond-coronavirus-crisis

By NOAM N. LEVEYSTAFF WRITER
MARCH 13, 20206:30 AM
WASHINGTON — Despite mounting pleas from California and other states, the Trump administration isn’t allowing states to use Medicaid more freely to respond to the coronavirus crisis by expanding medical services.
In previous emergencies, including the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Hurricane Katrina and the H1N1 flu outbreak, both Republican and Democratic administrations loosened Medicaid rules to empower states to meet surging needs.

But months into the current global disease outbreak, the White House and senior federal health officials haven’t taken the necessary steps to give states simple pathways to fully leverage the mammoth safety net program to prevent a wider epidemic.

That’s making it harder for states to quickly sign up poor patients for coverage so they can get necessary testing or treatment if they are exposed to coronavirus.

And it threatens to slow efforts by states to bring on new medical providers, set up emergency clinics or begin quarantining and caring for homeless Americans at high risk from the virus.

“If they wanted to do it, they could do it,” said Cindy Mann, who oversaw the Medicaid program in the Obama administration and worked with states to help respond to the H1N1 crisis in 2009.

One reason federal health officials have not acted appears to be President Trump’s reluctance to declare a national emergency. That’s a key step that would clear the way for states to get Medicaid waivers to more nimbly tackle coronavirus, but it would conflict with Trump’s repeated efforts to downplay the seriousness of the epidemic.

Another element may be ideological: The administration official who oversees Medicaid, Seema Verma, head of the government’s Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, has been a champion of efforts by conservative states to trim the number of people enrolled in Medicaid.

The steps that California, Washington and other states hit hard by the epidemic want to take would likely increase the number of people enrolled in the program.

“Medicaid could be the nation’s biggest public health responder, but it’s such an object of ire in this administration,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a Medicaid expert at George Washington University. “Their ideology is clouding their response to a crisis.”

In response to questions about how her agency, known as CMS, is handling state concerns, Verma’s office noted that the agency is trying to assist states, providing answers to frequently asked questions and hosting nationwide calls with state health officials. The agency noted that some waivers are not possible because Trump hasn’t declared a national emergency.

“Waivers cannot be invoked until and unless there is a Presidential Stafford Act declaration,” the agency noted, saying that it was “prepared to exercise that authority should it become available.”

Verma’s office

Medicaid, the half-century-old government safety net program, and the related Children’s Health Insurance Program provide health insurance to more than 70 million low-income Americans, many of whom gained coverage through the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

To control fraud, the program has extensive rules dictating who is eligible and what kinds of medical services can be covered; federal officials can penalize states that don’t scrutinize who receives benefits.

During major disasters, CMS has traditionally loosened these rules.

In 2005, for example, two weeks after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the administration of President George W. Bush told states that it would grant waivers so they could rapidly enroll people into Medicaid who had been displaced by the storm.

This meant simplified applications for enrollees and no requirement that states verify applicants’ income or other information to grant coverage.

Similarly, in 2009, after President Obama declared a national emergency in response to H1N1, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius invited states to seek waivers from Medicaid rules to make it easier for medical providers to quickly treat patients without worrying about their eligibility for government assistance.

States need similar flexibility now, said Jacey Cooper, who directs Medi-Cal, as California’s mammoth Medicaid program is called.

“Getting an emergency declaration would really help us get services to people who need it,” said Cooper. Medi-Cal currently covers about 13 million low-income Californians.

Among other things, Cooper said the state wants to shorten lengthy verification procedures to quickly enroll people. Public health experts fear that gaps in insurance coverage make controlling coronavirus more difficult because patients who don’t have insurance won’t seek medical attention and testing they fear they can’t afford.

California and other states also want to ensure that mobile clinics and other temporary facilities set up to handle a crush of patients can bill Medicaid, which also would require a waiver.

And a number of states with large homeless populations — including California, Washington and New York — are interested in potentially using Medicaid funding to help homeless victims of coronavirus who need not only medical care but also housing and other services.

The easiest way to speed Medicaid waivers is a declaration from the president of a national emergency. Obama issued such a declaration in 2009 during the H1N1 outbreak.

On Thursday, the American Medical Assn., the American Hospital Assn. and the American Nurses Assn. sent a joint letter to Vice President Mike Pence calling for the president to issue a declaration.

But the White House hasn’t indicated whether Trump will make such a move.

State leaders are wary of criticizing the president directly, fearing that he may attack them personally or retaliate against their states.

Last week, Trump called Washington Gov. Jay Inslee a “snake” after the governor, a Democrat, criticized the administration’s slow coronavirus response.

That’s left states with a more limited set of Medicaid options that CMS outlined Thursday afternoon. These include small steps such as allowing hospitals to more easily enroll patients in Medicaid.

In California, Cooper said CMS officials have been helping the state develop a plan. But she noted California needs significantly more flexibility.

For example, state health officials do not want to have to send people to hospitals to get rapidly enrolled in Medi-Cal, potentially exposing them to the virus.

“We need help sooner rather than later,” Cooper said.

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367. "the republican party is a death cult."
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376. "how vile and low can you go"
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take a message

  

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379. "Just remember, there is no bottom. "
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365. "Brazil Pres. Bolsonaro tests positive"
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Fingers crossed!

He had dinner w/ Trump on Saturday.

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366. "Sounds like he's smarter than Trump"
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in the sense that he went to go test himself.

It's sad I even have to think link this, but I wonder if there's a chance Trump could have gotten himself tested, got a positive result, and choose to hide it from the public because he's that much of a complete moron.

The one good thing is that given his age, symptoms would probably reveal themselves if he indeed has Covid-19.

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370. "He's def being tested, and he's def lying"
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Whether he's positive or negative, the lie is meant to convey a lack of concern about the virus.

  

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368. "the 2 brazilian folks around trump for the visit tested poz."
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1238470643093573633

bolsonaro was just calling the virus a fantasy.

why do these dickheads have to be complete idiots and why the fuck do people vote for them?

  

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380. "miami mayor tests poz after event with brazil prez bolsonaro."
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1238491345594904579
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369. "australias home affairs minister (who met with ivanka) tested poz."
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1238478739224301570
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Australia's minister for home affairs, Peter Dutton, who last week met with Ivanka Trump, said he had contracted the new coronavirus.

https://t.co/Cn5PW1hhqc
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377. "Well if Ivanka has it then Trump definitely does"
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because, you know...

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371. "Trump's budget director stands by plan to cut CDC budget by 15 percent"
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link: https://www.salon.com/2020/03/12/trumps-budget-director-stands-firm-on-plan-to-cut-cdc-budget-by-15-percent/

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Trump's budget director stands by plan to cut CDC budget by 15 percent
The acting director of the OMB seemed unperturbed when asked about if it was wise to cut the CDC during a pandemic

MATTHEW ROZSA
MARCH 12, 2020 8:23PM (UTC)
President Donald Trump's budget director stood by proposed budget cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) despite the ongoing outbreak of COVID-19, better known as the coronavirus.

Russ Vought, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, told Rep. Matt Cartwright, D-Pa., during a congressional hearing on Tuesday that the administration does not plan on amending its 2021 budget. That budget proposes reducing Health and Human Services funding by $9.5 billion, in the process cutting $1.2 billion from the CDC's budget (a reduction of 15%) and eliminating $35 million from the Infection Diseases Rapid Response Reserve Fund.

Vought initially responded to Cartwright's question by pointing to the $8.3 billion emergency supplemental package passed by Congress last week. That money would be spread out over many years, however, and had to be increased by Congress from the $2.5 billion initially required by the White House. It also does not impact the CDC's long term spending priorities.

"The question is today, as we sit here and we know about coronavirus and the impact it's taking on the people of the world and the economies of the world and the stock market and everything, as you sit here today, are you ready to take that back?" Cartwright asked Vought regarding the 2021 budget cuts.

"If you're asking if I'm sending up a budget amendment, no, I'm not sending up a budget amendment," Vought replied.

A spokesman for the White House Office of Management and Budget said that the CDC cuts did not impact the administration's ability to fight infectious diseases.

"The acting director's remarks fit a pattern within the administration of gutting our preparedness resources for infectious disease outbreaks," Cartwright told Salon in an emailed statement. "The way I see it, this lack of investment is a key reason why we find ourselves behind the eight-ball today. Right now, it's critical that we move quickly to pass additional response legislation that puts workers and families first as this virus continues to disrupt our lives and our economy. Going forward, we need to work together to ensure the government is fully prepared for future viral outbreaks."

Salon reached out to 314 Action, a nonprofit political action committee that seeks to elect scientists to political offices in the United States, about the Trump administration's handling of this crisis.

"This administration has shown over and over again that they are not going to let the facts and evidence get in the way of whatever their agenda happens to be," Shaughnessy Naughton told Salon on Thursday. Naughton is president of 314 Action.

"It's kind of remarkable actually, that they are consistent in their failure to prepare, and then often working actively against preparedness measures, and then blaming Obama for the predictable, chaotic outcome," Naughton added, referring to Trump's efforts to blame former President Barack Obama for America's poor response to the coronavirus. (Trump's claims about Obama have been repeatedly debunked.) "Congress just allocated what, $8 billion to the Coronavirus, a crisis that we're facing. And here they are trying to cut funds to the infectious disease rapid response."

The Trump administration previousliy implemented a number of policies that weakened America's ability to fight the ongoing coronavirus outbreak. The administration disbanded its global health security team in 2018. It asked for a $65 million budget cut to the CDC's small center on emerging and zoonotic (meaning animal-to-human transmitted) infectious diseases in 2018 (or a 10% cut), then a 19% reduction in 2019 and a 20% reduction in 2020.

While most of this funding was restored by Congress, Trump still succeeded in reducing the overall spending for relevant CDC programs by 10% from what it was in 2016 after being adjusted for inflation. He also proposed cutting the overall CDC budget by $1.3 billion in the 2020 fiscal year.

Trump has also repeatedly lied about important details regarding the COVID-19 outbreak. This includes saying that a vaccine is being developed "rapidly," claiming diagnoses in the United States are "going very substantially down — not up" and contesting the World Health Organization's claim that the disease has a 3.4% mortality rate. He has also said that tests are available to anyone who wants them, even though Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar has admitted that he did not know how many tests have been performed.

Naughton also criticized Trump's attempt to improve his image by delivering a national address on Wednesday night about the outbreak. That speech was marred by his struggles reading the teleprompter and needing to correct a significant error in his speech.

"I thought it was remarkable and not in a good way," Naughton told Salon. "I thought that their signaling that he was going to give a speech from the Oval Office, but that meant he was going to get serious about being a leader at a time when our nation needs to president to act presidential and take the lead on calming the fears of the American people as to what's going on and that the administration is actively and productively addressing it. And instead, he did quite the opposite."

MATTHEW ROZSA
Matthew Rozsa is a breaking news writer for Salon. He holds an MA in History from Rutgers University-Newark and is ABD in his PhD program in History at Lehigh University. His work has appeared in Mic, Quartz and MSNBC.

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378. "Sorry i LOL'd at this"
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387. "You should be sorry because it's mindless and misleading."
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Funding for tests would be easy to get past the Senate if that was even where the problem was.

Competent government doesn't have to be impossible. That's what Barack Obama understood.

Everything is a dumb fucking grievance with Bernie supporters. They don't get taken seriously because they don't take the world seriously.

  

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388. "i agree with you 100% but i still let out a Ha (c)Matthews"
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so i'm sorry too

  

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389. "I'm sorry bro. Shit's funny though."
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390. "I don't get it?"
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One guy says something true.

Another guy replies with BULLSHIT.

Haha??

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391. "hold on so you agreed with the guy on bottom then"
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396. "No"
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393. "You know what. You're right. Because then you see something like"
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this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-condemns-cdc-lack-coronavirus-testing-blames-obama-n1157671

  

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381. "louisiana postpones next months primary due to coronavirus concerns."
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https://twitter.com/WAFB/status/1238493311876435969
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384. "is it unreasonable to worry about november?"
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i might be wrong but i thought i read that we could hopefully get rid of covid within a couple of months but that it would return stronger in the fall.

  

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385. "LOL I had the *exact* same thought."
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I just e-mailed my college friends "I can't lie there's a not-so-small part of me that's afraid Drumpf will find some way to take this crisis as his inevitable power-consolidation moment and use it as an excuse to cancel the election."


>RE: is it unreasonable to worry about november?
>i might be wrong but i thought i read that we could hopefully
>get rid of covid within a couple of months but that it would
>return stronger in the fall.

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386. "The smart thing would be to allow mail-in for everybody"
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but that aint happenin

  

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394. "you already know theyre looking for ways to cancel the election."
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or at least severely limit who/where can vote.

  

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395. "RE: is it unreasonable to worry about november?"
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>i might be wrong but i thought i read that we could hopefully
>get rid of covid within a couple of months but that it would
>return stronger in the fall.

not at all, there's speculation if the virus is man-made and who made it...

Then you look at the map and see the biggest country with the fewest cases...

  

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397. "LOL yep. That map was jarring as fuck."
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Any of Putin's henchmen spend some time in Wuhan in early 2020 ?


>not at all, there's speculation if the virus is man-made and
>who made it...
>
>Then you look at the map and see the biggest country with the
>fewest cases...

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405. "yall remember that russian virus lab that blew up?"
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https://www.newsweek.com/russia-novosibirsk-ebola-smallpox-1459556

  

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415. "0 cases in greenland"
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i sees it

  

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392. "uk is delaying local & mayoral elections for a year."
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https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1238506197457809409
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im sure yall know where this is all going.

  

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398. "Yep. This is his chance. And you know he will seize it."
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We all knew it was coming at some point, just didn't know exactly *how* or when he'd go about the big consolidation move.

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399. "free tacos?"
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>im sure yall know where this is all going.


please be free tacos

  

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400. "lolz"
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402. "or at least chalupas."
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"They were fighting because Cleveland’s Wesley Person knocked down Gary Trent. Person knocked down Trent because Trent shot the ball with 3.3 seconds left in an already-decided game. (The final score was 102-81, Dallas.) Trent shot the ball in an already-decided game because the fans in Reunion Arena would get coupons for 99-cent chalupas if the Mavs reached 100 points.


“It’s bigger than chalupas,” Person said, four words that were by far the greatest contribution he made to NBA history. “Their coach called a play with 10 seconds left in a 20-point game. That’s disrespect.”"


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404. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xSV-BO4ILY"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xSV-BO4ILY

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403. "K-12 Schools are being closed indefinitely. "
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They have yet to close them here in chicago, but quite a few towns and cities in the US have already shut down all of their academic institutions.


It's just a matter of time before that takes place here, and that is going to really hit hard. The teenage crime rate is already out of control here, but to have kids out of school is going to increase that rate. However, I understand the closing needs to take place.

Major businesses and corporations are next. How can anything remain open and operational at this point?

Cashiers, trucking ( state to state), clerks, gas stations. There are Major human interactions in those situations. I guess this is when the AIs and Robots get released (lol)

  

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407. "schools are extending spring break here until the end of the month"
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411. "i feel sorry for yall parents who gotta spend time with your kids now. "
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i know yall love em and all but...

  

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416. "im worried for folks with young kids who cant get time off from work"
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406. "this motherfucker"
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408. "what happened? i had the news on but"
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all they showed was an ad for walmart, target and cvs

  

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409. "i dont see how anybody could listen to this dude talk"
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and think 'thats my guy'.

  

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414. "every time he speaks Costco gets more crowded"
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417. "low priority this week but I'm curious"
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what his approvals look like in the coming weeks.

  

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410. "he wishes so bad he was home tweeting how hillary is fucking this up"
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i only heard some of it on the radio in the car. he's terrible at this.

he's saying all the rah rah trumpy bullshit but with zero confidence.

dude sounds like he's 100 years old suddenly

  

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412. "Yeah that press conference was REALLY Bad. "
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That was not the time for crazy comments. Dude is so detached from reality

  

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413. "I hate it..."
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watching in disgust
damn

  

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418. "lol @ I think it’s a nasty question..."
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I wish Sis could have continued

  

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421. "anytime a black woman confronts him"
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_____________________
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420. "watching world leaders, politicians & corporate leaders."
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give each other corona potentially

is the most delicious thing ever

the suspense is a daily joy of mine

i don't want him to die, but go away and leave the white house

but if this makes him step down

*chefs kiss*

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428. "bruh this is the ONLY thing fun about it!"
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I squealed with joy when I heard Bolsonaro caught the L

I especially want all the CPAC pricks to get it

with no sports to watch, this all we got

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422. "Tacoma, Wa WinCo was like everyone was playing Supermarket Sweep"
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The checkout staff were sweating..this is some other shit

  

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430. "we almost went to a Winco near us (Lynnwood)..."
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but my boy had just posted on FB that the one near him was a wreck.

found what we needed at Fred Meyer instead.

  

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451. "Wassup fellow Washingtonian"
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Y'all keep your head up up there. I know you were thinking what I'm thinking
..of all the states we gotta be in the one that's the most fkd up (so far).

This is gonna pass... people acting like Lynnwood is the epicenter but we going through it down here in Pierce too.

  

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423. "make your final amazon pantry orders tonight folks..."
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....may not be delivering much longer ...and make sure you wipe down all products especially plastic containers where it lives for days

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424. "omG, damn near every NPR story, all my personal emails, "
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Half of my work emails. I’m so tired of hearing about this. All the panic is the really problem.

My day yo day has not changed at all. Still going all the places I usually do, washing my hands longer but that’s about it

Ppl in the grocery stories like this is the end

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stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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463. "you have no idea what's coming and its sad."
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its not panic, its science.

the millions of people who have the same attitude as you are causing the rest of us to suffer.

Check social media feeds of Italian citizens who thought just like you two weeks ago and now can't leave their house until mid-April.

Be safe.

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553. "ur Condescension aside. U were right. This really has changed "
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Everything, at least for the present and near future. Hope all this draconian tactics work.

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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475. "One person, who refused to be tested and instead went to church and a bu..."
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One person, who refused to be tested and instead went to church and a buffet lunch, is the source of over 1,000 (!!) infections in S Korea.

https://twitter.com/JohnFPfaff/status/1239046190857150465

https://t.co/Fty7Jqg62B?amp=1

  

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425. "There were 254 deaths in the Italy within 24 fucking hours. "
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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487523-italy-reports-record-250-coronavirus-deaths-in-one-day


dude...this is aint no bullshit.

England's numbers jumped to like 1000 in one fucking day.


are they reporting the full numbers in america?

  

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432. "see this is the shit i hate. these numbers need CONTEXT."
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like, people ain't dying like that almost anywhere else.

so, it either hit a shit ton of hi risk people (old people, already sick people), or it mutated into some worse form.

i hate these articles that are just numbers with no context. they make people unnecessarily paranoid.

  

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435. "why is Italy being hit so hard (link)"
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/number-coronavirus-cases-rises-italy-hit-hard/story?id=69513697

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438. "RE: see this is the shit i hate. these numbers need CONTEXT."
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I agree context is definitely needed.


A lot of those European and Asian countries have a huge aging population. 18 percent of China's population is 60 years old or older. Even in the USA, the older population is close to outnumbering the children population.

The entire world has an aging population issue as people are having less kids than previous generations, but it is really, really bad in china and japan. America is going to be in bad shape in a couple more decades if the birth rate does not rise.

maybe this is a form of population control to get the numbers down from the age of 40 years old on up....I wouldn't be surprised.

But the bottom line people are dying from this at a rapid rate in some of these foreign countries.

  

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426. "prediction: Trump resigns behind this, citing undisclosed health reasons..."
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I realize Its probably just me trying to search for a silver lining in all this but I think it's a legit possibility if/when this continues to get worse.

You can see how miserable he is right now and this ain't getting better any time soon. Recession is inevitable, and the longer he sticks around the more he has to own how badly he failed to get out ahead of it.Coronavirus in the US couldn't be avoided but there's no reason for it to be this bad or as bad as its gonna get. There's no spin for him on this, no matter how much he wants to praise himself, or blame Obama, etc.. His loyalists cant save him here either. No one has confidence in this guy right now

The sooner he can run away, the more he can try to separate himself and act like he had everything going smoothly before this Chinese disease came through and fucked it all up. He would've fixed it but he got sick or Barron did, or whatever excuse hes gonna make.

3 weeks

  

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429. "i love this prediction. I think its valid. *fingers crossed*"
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431. "RE: prediction: Trump resigns behind this, citing undisclosed health rea..."
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I agree his presidency is over.

He lied and provided misinformation about everything.

- He stated that testing was available. It wasnt
- He stated that we shut the virus down...we havent
- He said that it wasn't spreading. It is.
- He stated that italy was getting better...It wasn't and is only get worse
- He stated that a vaccine would be available in months. Doctors stated it would take a year or so.

CDC came to him back in February regarding the outbreak, and he got upset, and got rid of the National Security Council global health office, which focuses on global pandemics.

He is jeopardizing the health of the american people because he is incompetent and stubborn with how to handle this global epidemic.

  

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443. "he should be removed"
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444. "Trump will NEVER give up power"
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He will NEVER EVER EVER relinquish power voluntarily.

You are DREAMING.

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436. "Oh pray to whoever the fuck you pray to."
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But then what ? Pence ?

My friend told me he has this nightmare scenario in his head about Trump dying from the virus then Pence running a campaign on honoring his legacy in death and Biden losing anyway.

Man oh man. What a (fucking miserable) time to be alive.

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450. "nightmare scenario indeed lol"
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>But then what ? Pence ?
>
>My friend told me he has this nightmare scenario in his head
>about Trump dying from the virus then Pence running a campaign
>on honoring his legacy in death and Biden losing anyway.

speaking of scary shit, a couple of my friends facebook feeds right now. They haven't even come around to where Trump is now, still going on about how this is all a liberal hoax, and it's just the flu, and sharing dumb memes from conservative whateverthefuck daily.

most of these are pages of people who don't show up in my news feed. every once in a while I take a peek and that happened to be today. it's the same type of dumb shit they always post but now more focused

  

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454. "Damn that's fucked up. They should be ex friends, lol."
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I got a couple friends still living in la la land too, it's really jarring and surreal to witness. Conservative propaganda is a motherfucker. It's been that way as long as I can remember but I never thought it'd get to the point that *all* facts and common sense would be rendered irrelevant to a certain subset of the population.


>speaking of scary shit, a couple of my friends facebook feeds
>right now. They haven't even come around to where Trump is
>now, still going on about how this is all a liberal hoax, and
>it's just the flu, and sharing dumb memes from conservative
>whateverthefuck daily.
>
>most of these are pages of people who don't show up in my news
>feed. every once in a while I take a peek and that happened to
>be today. it's the same type of dumb shit they always post but
>now more focused

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455. "lol yeah"
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i have some conservative friends who i disagree with but somehow we can still chop it up and disagree and it's all good. i find a lot of their beliefs shitty but i at least on some level know where they're coming from, because i know them as individuals

then there are the ones who even though i know them are off the rails and overly tribal or straight cultish. I've dropped a few over the years. one during the Trayvon stuff, one during the Trump election an one after. People i just lost respect for as human beings.

usually varies by person. i have some insufferable liberal friends too but i guess since i'm more left than right they're somehow easier to swallow lol

  

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456. "Yea I hear you for sure."
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>i have some conservative friends who i disagree with but
>somehow we can still chop it up and disagree and it's all
>good. i find a lot of their beliefs shitty but i at least on
>some level know where they're coming from, because i know them
>as individuals
>
>then there are the ones who even though i know them are off
>the rails and overly tribal or straight cultish. I've dropped
>a few over the years. one during the Trayvon stuff, one during
>the Trump election an one after. People i just lost respect
>for as human beings.

Same here re: all of the above. Two of my closest friends dating back to when we were 10 years old are self-proclaimed "conservatives" but in the past 3 years I've gone at them pretty hard about a lot of social and political issues, and pretty quickly realized that they are not so much conservative as they are just insanely uninformed and susceptible to what their (more *actual* conservative and racist, etc.) parents and elders passed down to them. I've known them long enough to know that they are well-meaning, good people with values similar to mine who just fell victim to the conservative propaganda machine for a number of reasons. I've broken down a lot of walls with them since Trump was elected that I didn't even know were there.Hoping to have them voting blue by November lol.

But re: your 2nd paragraph, same, except I've been too hesitant to cut them off completely. That's a failure and weakness on my part. But subconsciously I think that I consider the success I've had with the two friends referenced above, and assume I can have similar impact with these people. At some point I need to just realize that some people are hopelessly racist, shitty people that can never be reached.


>usually varies by person. i have some insufferable liberal
>friends too but i guess since i'm more left than right they're
>somehow easier to swallow lol

Hahah yea same here. I've been saying this for a long time - I'd rather be around, associated with, and lumped in with insufferable people who pontificate about M4A, basic human rights, and empathy, etc., than be the type of person who fence sits or tries to "both sides" these conversations on behalf of conservatives or moderates who lean to the right and therefore end up defending white supremacists and Trump and denounce BLM and fucking Kaepernick for kneeling respectfully during a song and shit like that.

And it's insane to me that some people don't see it that way. Like once a "moderate" or "moderate conservative" realizes that they're ideologically closer to David Duke than MLK, wouldn't that be a good time to re-evaluate ?!

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469. "I'd be happy if that were the case"
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then that would wipe the "Trump" issue from this whole thing and get people to look at what's really wrong

  

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427. "Social Isolation - for the first time I am proud of my weekend plans"
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or lack there of....

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433. "GOOD NEWS"
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https://www.complex.com/life/2020/03/researchers-canada-isolated-covid-19-virus

  

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434. "Did you guys watch Counterpart on Starz? ... this got me think about it"
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437. " shutdowns could last '8 weeks or more' - top health official"
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-shutdown-self-isolation-how-long-anthony-fauci-work-from-home-a9400096.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1584106765

A top US health official says Americans should prepare for nearly two months or more of shutdowns and working from home as the deadly coronavirus spreads throughout the country.

“It’s certainly going to get worse before it gets better,” Dr Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases with the the National Institutes of Health, said during an interview on Good Morning America.

He continued to say Americans could see “eight weeks or more” of shutdowns and working from home as the virus surges in communities across the country.

  

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439. "lots of people are gonna die from this. fuck."
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https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/10/simple-math-alarming-answers-covid-19/

this is from a few days ago but it's only gotten worse since then. we are not even close to being prepared for what's coming next week and beyond

  

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440. "...and here come my allergies..."
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445. "rnc chairwoman tested after feeling sick"
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https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1238896619774492673
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RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel was tested for coronavirus today after not feeling well. She was at MAL for some of last weekend.
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funny how all of these people who were around trump at mar a lago are coming up poz/sick.

  

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446. "Is RBG in her bunker yet?"
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I better not see her at any operas any time in the next 9 months

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447. "THIS."
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448. "He tested negative, sorry y'all"
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449. "I don't trust him and his doctors"
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If he has it or not it's not a big deal to me - he has doctors and the best healthcare possible - but then again with ALL THE SHIT he's said - I don't really believe anything he says.

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458. "them niggas lying."
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same folks were mad about ronna mcdaniel making her illness public.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1239000115387551744
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"Indeed, several advisers to Mr. Trump on Saturday privately expressed irritation at Ms. McDaniel for publicly acknowledging her illness."

https://t.co/kPiClDUCTh
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473. "and you're gullible AF if you believe that."
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457. "interesting post circulating on FB, breaking down the math "
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Posted in it's entirety. You skip the intro and go straight to "issue one". It's the best presented case i've for social distancing and staying in as much as possible.

The poster's name is Jason Warner, and here's a link to his FB profile:

https://www.facebook.com/jason.scott.warner

I'm posting the link to his page because it is full of links to good and worthwhile information.

******

This is a long post addressing two underlying issues with the current response to the pandemic that leave me concerned. It’s the longest post I’ve ever written.

For those of you not taking action, or believing the pandemic to be “over hyped”, you can make fun of me as much as you want now or when this is over. You can make me the subject of memes and post it everywhere. I will pose for the picture. I am not trying to convince you, but I do feel compelled to share information that I deem critical to all of us, which is why I am posting this at all.

WHY YOU SHOULD TAKE 5 MINUTES TO READ AND CONSIDER THE INFORMATION I AM SHARING:

For those of you who don’t know me well, I am analytical and metered. I don’t freak out nor do I respond emotionally. I also don’t post a bunch of bullshit or political or controversial stuff on Facebook. I founded and am CEO of a successful software company that provides SaaS based data, analytics, and dashboards to recruiting departments at companies we all know. As you would expect, I am data driven and fact based. Before founding my company I held executive roles leading very large recruiting teams at some of the world's fastest growing companies such as Starbucks and Google. At Google I was fortunate enough to report to Sheryl Sandberg before she took the Facebook COO role. I was a Chemical Engineering major in college and have a business degree from a top undergraduate business school. I am not one for hyperbole or histrionics. My bullshit factor is close to zero.

I share all this personal information only to help solidify that this post may be worth reading and sharing with others. I would encourage you to forward or share this post at your discretion. Many people do not understand what is happening with the pandemic to the degree required which is why I took the time to write this and share this on Facebook.

Now that I've gotten the introduction out of the way, here are two issues I want to bring to everyone’s attention.

ISSUE ONE: SOCIAL NORMS ARE POWERFUL MOTIVATORS AND GETTING IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC:

One of the current problems with addressing the pandemic is the social pressures of taking action today. It's awkward, and feels like an over-reaction. The reason it feels like an overreaction is that most people OVERWEIGHT the currently reported cases and inherently UNDERWEIGHT the mathematics of how the virus is spreading and what will happen in about 30 days time. This is because our brains tend to think linearly as opposed to logarithmically. It’s the same reason many people don’t save for retirement or understand compound interest.

To create a new social norm, human beings like to see behavior modeled. This serves as a signal that says, “oh, someone else is doing it so I should do it also.”

SO HERE IS A SOCIAL BENCHMARK FOR REFERENCE - THIS IS WHAT I’VE DONE FOR MY FAMILY TO DATE:

I have already isolated my family. We have canceled EVERYTHING. We have canceled previously scheduled doctor visits. Social get togethers. Normal routine meetings. Everything has been canceled. It's difficult and socially awkward. Some of you think I’m crazy, but I’m doing it not because I am afraid, but because I am good at math (more on that in part 2). I had to have my 16 year old daughter quit her job coaching junior gymnasts at the local gym, with one day’s notice and also tell my kids they can't attend youth group at church. Both of those were tough discussions. I told a very close friend he shouldn’t stay at my house this weekend even though he was planning to and had booked his flight from the Bay Area. I canceled another dear friend’s visit for later this month to go snowboarding on Mt Bachelor.

We are not eating out. Our kids are already doing online school so we don’t have to make changes there. I would not send my kids to school even if they were in public or private school. We have eliminated all non-essential contact with other people. We will only venture out to grocery shop when required. We will still go outside to parks, go mountain biking, hiking, and recreate to keep ourselves sane and do other things as a family, just not with other people. We have stocked up on food and have a supply for ~2 months. We have stocked up on other goods that if depleted would create hardship, like medicines and feminine hygiene products. We have planned for shortages of essential items.

THE REASON I HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE FOR MY FAMILY IS MULTI FACETED:

1. Although my family is considered low risk (I’m 49 in good health, Angi is 46 and in good health, and our kids are 14 and 16), we must assume that the healthcare system cannot help us, because the hospitals will become overwhelmed very quickly. Most American hospitals will become overwhelmed in approximately 30 days unless something changes. More on this in part 2 below. So although we are in great health and unlikely to become gravely ill, the risk is greater if you do not have access to the medical care that you need. This is something for everyone to consider. As a society we are accustomed to having access to the best medical care available. Our medical system will be overwhelmed unless we practice social distancing at scale. That said, the medical teams in Italy are seeing an alarming number of cases from people in their 40s and 50s.

2. It’s not a matter of if social distancing will take place, it’s a matter of when. This is because social distancing is the only way to stop the virus today. As I will explain in part 2 below, starting now is FAR more effective than starting even 2 days from now or tomorrow. This has been proven by Italy and China (and soon to be France and other European countries who have been slow to respond.). Wuhan went on lockdown after roughly 400 cases were identified (and they had access to testing that America has systematically failed to do well to date). The US already has more than 4 times this number of known infected cases as Wuhan did when it was shut down, and our citizens are far more mobile and therefore spreading the virus more broadly when compared to Wuhan. Yet our response is tepid at best.

If hand washing and “being smart” were sufficient Italy would not be in crisis. So I pray the draconian measures are coming from our government, because they are required to stop the spread of the virus. It’s better to start sooner than later as the cost is actually far greater if we wait. I pray they close all schools and non-essential services the way that Italy and China have done.

3. Spreading the virus puts those in the high-risk category at much greater risk. This is the moral argument. It’s a strong argument because there are only two ways, as of today, that the virus can be stopped: let it run its course and infect 100s of millions of people, or social distancing. There is no other way today. If you don’t practice social distancing, people downstream from you that you transmit the virus to will die, and many will suffer.

4. The risk of infection is increasing exponentially, because the quantity of infected people, most who will not show symptoms, is doubling every three days. So the longer you wait to self-isolate, the greater the chance of you or someone you love becoming infected and then you infecting others because more of the population is becoming infected. There are twice as many infected people today as there was on Tuesday.

5. The virus is already in your town. It’s everywhere. Cases are typically only discovered when someone gets sick enough to seek medical attention. This is important as it typically takes ~5 days to START showing ANY symptoms. Here’s the math: For every known case there are approximately 50 unknown cases. This is because if I become sick, I infect several people today, and they infect a few people each tomorrow (as do I), and the total count of infected people doubles every 3 days until I get so sick I get hospitalized or get tested and become a “known case”. But in the time it takes me to figure out I am sick 50 others downline from me now have the virus. So every third day the infection rate doubles until I get so sick that I realize I have the virus an am hospitalized or otherwise tested. Harvard and Massachusetts General Hospital estimate that there are 50x more infections than known infections as reported (citation below). The implication of this is that the virus is already “everywhere” and spreading regardless if your city has zero, few or many reported cases. So instead of the 1573 reported known cases today there are likely 78,650 cases, at least, in the United States. Which will double to 157,300 by this Sunday. And this will double to 314,600 cases by this coming Wednesday. So in less than 1 week the number of total infected in the United States will quadruple. This is the nature of exponential math. It’s actually unfortunate that we are publishing the figures for known cases as it diverts attention away from more important numbers (like the range of estimated actual cases).

6. Some people cannot, or will not, practice social distancing for a variety of reasons and will continue to spread the virus to many people. So everyone else must start today.

The reasons above are why I have begun to practice social distancing. It’s not easy. But you should do it too.

The hospitals will be at capacity and there are not enough ventilators. You will hear a lot about this issue in the coming few weeks... the shortage of ventilators.

ISSUE TWO: MANY PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG NUMBERS:

Yes, the virus only kills a small percentage of those afflicted. Yes, the flu kills 10s of thousands of people annually. Yes, 80% of people will experience lightweight symptoms with COVID19. Yes the mortality rate of COVID19 is relatively low (1-2%). All of this true, but is immaterial. They are the wrong numbers to focus on...

The nature of exponential math is that the infection rates start slowly, and then goes off like a bomb and overwhelms the hospitals. You will understand this math clearly in the next section if you do the short math exercise. Evergreen hospital in Seattle is already in triage. I have heard credible reports from people on the ground that they are already becoming overwhelmed. And the bomb won't really go off for a few more days. Probably by Wednesday, March 18th (next week). In just a few days from now we will hear grave reports from Seattle hospitals.

You should assume the virus is everywhere at this point, even if you have no confirmed cases in your area.

YOU SHOULD DO THIS SIMPLE 2 MINUTE MATH EXERCISE (NO REALLY TAKE TWO MINUTES AND DO IT):

To further understand exponential growth, take the number of confirmed cases in your area and multiply by 10 (or 50 if you believe Harvard and Massachusetts General estimations) to account for the cases that are not yet confirmed. If you have no confirmed cases choose a small number. I’d suggest 10 cases in your city, if no cases are yet reported. But you can use whatever number you like. This number of infected people doubles every ~3 days as the infection spreads. So literally take your number, and multiply by 2. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. Do this multiplication exercise 10 times in total.

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x (the number of estimated infections in your city today (not just the reported cases)).

This result is the estimate for the actual cases in your area 30 days from now. The math will take 30 seconds to complete with a calculator and it’s worth doing the math to see how it grows. This end number is the number of cases in your city 30 days from today if a large percentage of the population do not practice social distancing.

2 to the 10th power is 1024. When something doubles 10 times, it's the same as multiplying by 1024. The infection rate of the virus doubles every 3 days. In thirty days there will be 1,024 times the number of infected people in your area as there is today if your community does not immediately put social distancing into practice. One thousand and twenty four times as many infected people as there is today, in just 30 days.

Next, divide the final number (the scary big one) you just calculated by the current population of your city and you will be able to get the percentage of people THAT YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who will be infected 30 days from now.

Next take 15% (multiply by 0.15) of that final 30 day number of total infected people. This will provide an estimate of the serious cases which will require acute medical care, and compare it to the number of beds and ventilators available at your local hospital. Google the "number of beds" and the name of your local hospital now. It takes 2 seconds and the number of beds is easy to find. 65% of beds are already occupied by patients unrelated to the coronavirus. St Charles in Bend, Oregon where I live, has 226 beds and the town is roughly 100,000 people. Most hospitals have on average, 40 or fewer ventilators.

These numbers you just calculated are the problem: Too many patients, not enough beds, and a serious shortage of ventilators (the biggest problem) if we don't immediately begint social distancing. More on this biggest problem related to the insufficient quantity of ventilators is below.

COUNTRIES THAT GET OVERWHELMED WILL HAVE A MUCH GREATER MORTALITY RATE BECAUSE THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY CARE FOR THE SICK.

And by sick I mean not just coronavirus patients. Your son or daughter that needs acute care surgery this May for his badly broken leg will be attended to by an orthopedic doctor that has been working at maximum capacity and working 18 hour shifts for 7 days every week for 6 weeks because it was required to care for all the coronavirus patients at her hospital. Or the orthopedic surgeon will be sick with the virus and your son or daughter will be operated on by a non-expert or a member of the National Guard. Your elderly Mom that has diabetes and goes into acute distress next month may not receive ANY care because the doctors are consumed and have to prioritize patients based on triage handbooks filled with success rate probabilities. Your sibling’s family that are all injured in a terrible car crash in June will have diminished care. If one of them needs a ventilator there will be none available because all of them will be in use by critical coronavirus patients. Your young friend with cancer and a compromised immune system from treatment will succumb even though the cancer was curable and the treatment was working, because their body was too fragile to combat the coronavirus due to the chemotherapy and they couldn't receive the customized, acute care required due to the hospital being overwhelmed. All of the above is currently happening in Italy, who had the same number of infections we have today just 2 weeks ago. You must start today.

The count of actual virus infections doubles every ~3 days. The news and government agencies are lagging in their response. So we hear that the US only has 1573 cases today (3/12/20), ( see https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) and it doesn't seem like a lot. It would be better to report the estimated actual cases, since reported cases don’t tell us much. However, we know from China that the actual number of cases are at least an order of magnitude greater than the reported cases, because people get infected and do not display symptoms. In math, an "order of magnitude" means ten times difference, or put another way, a factor of 10. 100 is 10 times greater than 10, so it's an order of magnitude greater.

Harvard Medical School / Massachusetts General Hospital just released their estimate (recording is here: https://externalmediasite.partners.org/Mediasite/Play/53a4003de5ab4b4da5902f078744435a1d) that the actual cases are 50x greater than the reported cases. So we likely have 75,000 cases in the United States already. The number of reported cases is not that important.

But let’s assume the current number of cases is only 10,000 ACTUAL cases in the United States just to be conservative and model out what will happen:

If we don’t stop the virus from spreading, in 30 days we will have 2 to the 10th power more cases of infected people because the infection count doubles every 3 days (the virus doubles every 3 days and there are 10, 3 day periods in 30 days).

The math: 2 to the 10th power means 1,024 times as many cases as we have today (2 times 2 repeated 10 times).

This number is a catastrophically big problem for all of us: We will have 10 million+ actual cases (10,000 actual cases today x 1,024) in the United States in just 30 days’ time if we continue without extreme social distancing. 10 million people with the virus. And it will keep doubling every 3 days unless we practice social distancing.

15% of cases require significant medical attention, which means that 1.5 million people will require significant medical attention if 10 million people get infected (15% of 10 Million total infections = 1.5 million people requiring hospitalization).

1.5 million hospitalizations is about 50% more than we have beds for at hospitals in the United States. And 65% of all beds are already occupied in our hospitals. But patients with the virus need ICU beds, not just any old hospital bed. Only about 10% of hospital beds are considered intensive care. So we will have a huge bed shortage, but that is not the biggest problem, as we can erect temporary ICU shelters and bring in more temporary beds, as Italy has already done, and California and Washington hospitals have already done. Evergreen Hospital in Seattle has already erected temporary triage tents in the parking lot as of 3/13/20. All regular beds are full at Evergreen Hospital as of yesterday.

Once the government of China, Norway, and Italy came to understand this math, they reacted accordingly and shut EVERYTHING down. Extreme social distancing is the only response available to stop the virus today. The United States is not responding well nor are other countries like France or the UK. Countries that do not respond well will pay a much larger, catastrophic price.

But hospital beds are not the big problem. The lack of ventilators is the big problem. Most estimates peg the ventilators in the United States at roughly 100,000 to 150,000 units. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21149215 (admittedly dated) and https://theweek.com/speedreads/900850/doesnt-have-enough-icu-beds-ventilators-deal-even-moderate-coronavirus-outbreak

The primary and most serious comorbid (comorbid is a medical term that means co-existing or happening at the same time) condition brought on by the Coronavirus is something called bilateral interstitial pneumonia which requires ventilators for treatment of seriously ill patients. So if 1.5M people of the 10 million infected 30 days from now require acute care (15% of the 10M estimated total infections), 1.3M may not get the care that they need because we don’t have enough ventilators in the United States. And remember, this is only if ALL OF US EFFECTIVELY start social distancing by April 11th (30 days from today).

BUT IF WE START EXTREME SOCIAL DISTANCING BY MARCH 23 (12 days from this writing), WE AVOID OVER 1.4 MILLION PEOPLE GETTING CRITICALLY ILL AND OVERWHELMING THE HOSPITALS:

If everyone takes extreme measures to social distance, and the United States can dramatically reduce the spread of the virus 12 days from now, the math is very different, as the exponential growth will only be 2 to the 4th power (12 days divided by the doubling rate of every 3 days equals the exponent of 4):

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16

So instead of 10 Million cases in the United States if we wait 30 days, if we act 18 days sooner, we will have only 160,000 cases (16 times the estimated 10,000 actual cases as of today), of which 15% are likely to require critical care. This is 24,000 critical patients (a huge difference compared to 1.5 million acute patients). The difference between taking extreme measures now, versus waiting even a few days, is very large due to how exponents work in math.

THE OUTCOME IS EVEN BETTER IF WE TAKE ACTION IN THE NEXT 6 DAYS: If the vast majority of the population self isolates and implements social distancing in only 6 days from now the exponential math is 2 to the 2nd power (6 days divided by the 3 days it takes the virus to double means the exponent is only 2). In math this is "two squared".

2 x 2 = 4

Multiplied by the estimated 10,000 ACTUAL cases as of today (3/12/20) that means only 40,000 total cases will develop, 15% of which may be critical which is 6,000 critical patients.

This is why you should share this post broadly. If people begin social distancing in the next 6 days it will greatly reduce the impact on all of us. It's why they say a "post goes viral".

SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL REDUCE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY:

Finally, the longer everyone waits to practice significant social distancing the greater the economic hardship will be on all of us. Lost jobs. Mortgage defaults. Closed businesses. Bankruptcies. All will be minimized if you start social distancing today.

Some of the reasons the economic impacts will be reduced are worth mentioning: If we stop the virus now the overall duration of the outbreak will be far shorter. The stock market will normalize more quickly and recover more quickly. Businesses and people will be able to survive a shorter duration outbreak vs a longer duration outbreak. More companies will avoid bankruptcy if we begin to practice social distancing now.

This is a big financial reason to begin social distancing if you are employed by any company: if companies see that the virus is being slowed, they will be less likely to conduct layoffs. You will be more likely to be laid off or experience a job-related event if we don’t practice social distancing immediately. As an HR executive, I’ve been involved in many, many layoffs. It’s the last thing companies want to do. But if they see that the pandemic will be shorter lived vs long and drawn out, they are less likely to make the permanent decision of laying off staff.

The overall economic impact that hits your bank account will be greater if you wait or you don’t practice social distancing. This is why Norway acted now, because it’s less economic impact to take drastic measures early than to do them later, and it saves a lot of lives and suffering by doing so. And Norway has only one confirmed death as of this writing.

START TODAY. I CAN’T STRESS THIS ENOUGH. YOU MUST START TODAY.

Finally, the article that I posted yesterday written by Tomas Pueyo has been read 7M times in the last 24 hours and has been updated with new information. It’s worth reading again.

Here’s that link.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Other up to date data I frequently consult regarding the pandemic is here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I hope this is helpful and useful. My brain focuses on the math and I try and be fact based in my analysis and interpretation of how I should respond.

THERE IS MORE INFORMATION IN THE COMMENTS BELOW WORTH READING AND I WILL BE UPDATING THIS POST, AND THE COMMENTS, WITH MORE INFORMATION, (AS OPPOSED TO CREATING NEW POSTS).

MY FINAL PARTING THOUGHT: Please share or forward this post at your discretion. If everyone shares this post and two of your friends share this post and so on, we use the power of exponential math to work in our favor, which seems appropriate given the virus is using that same exponential math against us.

HOW YOU CAN REALLY HELP: If you know people who have large numbers of followers, or people in the media, please leverage your personal relationship with them and ask them to amplify this post by sharing it.

For people not on Facebook you can email or text the link. If you know people in government this fact-based post may help inform them to make the best decisions.

It's time for us humans to go on the offensive against the virus. We must fight back.

There is only one way to do so: Social Distancing.

Do it today.

NOTE: Anyone, including the media, is free to use this post, any related content, in all or in part, for any purpose, in any format, with no attribution required. Please direct message me if you have other ideas for how to raise awareness.

  

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465. "excellent article. problem is we're only as good as what everyone else"
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does.

if i effectively isolate the 5 of us living at home right now for 3 weeks (2 week max incubation period) + 1 week and verify no onset of symptoms, etc. and we come out into a world where nobody has done that, we're back at square one, and have to keep isolating.




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459. "elon musk gotta answer for this:"
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528
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460. "Why Outbreaks Like Corona Spread Exponentially and How to Flatten the Cu..."
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This includes really great visualizations of how different models of containment and their effects as well as what the spread of a virus like coronavirus looks like in terms of spread.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

The text was not available for copy and honestly the visualizations are key hence the link

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461. "the 'unintended' consequence of hyper-partisanship"
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completely happenstance of course.

https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1239192519298121728

the press has to stop talking about this shit with these passive neutral vagueries. one party is detached from reality and a danger to society/security because of it. this isnt some flip of the coin shit.

  

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462. "China is not fucking around."
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They just had an uptick in imported cases over local cases, so they have tightened quarantined checks at all airports. New arrivals will be immediately quarantined for 14 days.

If anyone lies or misreports their physical condition or about being tested will be penalized according to the regulations of the
country.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21200S

Meanwhile, in America, airports are in a total frenzy, with masses of people cramped and clustered together. So think about those individuals touching and breathing on each other, just a great opportunity for the virus to thrive

And Cuomo refuses to close the school system, because he wants social norms to continue. He is making decisions and personal calculations off of no data, and is disregarding data that illustrates why it is imperative to close the school systems.

The fact that the president is leaving state decisions, actions and regulations up to the states is completely insane. Every state should be under federal regulation since this is a national emergency. If social distancing is a requirement then all states need to implement that process with industries where work or services are not mandatory.



  

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472. "Yep all that plus Nunes is being Nunes"
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>They just had an uptick in imported cases over local cases,
>so they have tightened quarantined checks at all airports. New
>arrivals will be immediately quarantined for 14 days.
>
>If anyone lies or misreports their physical condition or about
>being tested will be penalized according to the regulations of
>the
>country.
>
>https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21200S
>
>Meanwhile, in America, airports are in a total frenzy, with
>masses of people cramped and clustered together. So think
>about those individuals touching and breathing on each other,
>just a great opportunity for the virus to thrive
>
>And Cuomo refuses to close the school system, because he wants
>social norms to continue. He is making decisions and personal
>calculations off of no data, and is disregarding data that
>illustrates why it is imperative to close the school systems.
>
>
>The fact that the president is leaving state decisions,
>actions and regulations up to the states is completely insane.
>Every state should be under federal regulation since this is a
>national emergency. If social distancing is a requirement then
>all states need to implement that process with industries
>where work or services are not mandatory.
>
>
>


https://time.com/5803470/devin-nunes-coronavirus-covid-19/

Rep. Devin Nunes of California urged Americans to go out and visit bars and restaurants on Sunday, amid mounting calls by experts for people to avoid public gatherings to avoid spreading coronavirus, which causes the disease COVID-19.

In an appearance on Fox News’ Sunday Morning Futures , Nunes told that people should “stop panicking here.” He was concerned that the COVID-19 pandemic could harm the economy, “because people are scared to go out.”


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464. "in the middle of a pandemic...trump is focused on...a flynn pardon."
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https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1239243721264119808
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466. "Just about every tribally owned casino in SoCal "
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Will be shutting down on Monday and will remain closed for the rest of the month. Some have came out public already: Pechanga, Harrahs Rincon, and San Manuel. The others are beginning to notify their tribal membership of the closure before they go public.

  

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490. "oh shit my man's family is part of Pala"
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gotta check in on him

  

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467. "No testing kits at any Indian Health Clinics (IHC) in San Diego "
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We have called every clinic in San Diego last week and IHC had a webinar last week for tribal governments and told us they don’t have any testing kits and are not sure when they will have them.

  

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512. "So will they transport to San Diego?"
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>We have called every clinic in San Diego last week and IHC
>had a webinar last week for tribal governments and told us
>they don’t have any testing kits and are not sure when they
>will have them.

I'm not sure how many kits there are in San Diego at all.

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468. "Ohio's GOP governor > 45*"
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so far:

shut down of all restaurants and bars starting 9PM tonight
exec order to provide unemployment benefits for all without paid sick leave/paired with waiver of unemployment tax for businesses affected.

this after he shut down K-12 schools state wide until 4/1, and is considering a yearlong closure.

the most notorious pigs in the state house are trying to get him to dial it down, and he just said "Fuck You"

this is the second time since DeWine took office that he did something I greatly agree with (the first was his Cuban B of the richest areas of the state trying to get out of paying school taxes). good to see a politician with a backbone

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/03/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-state-looking-at-closing-bars-and-restaurants-over-coronavirus.html

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476. "RE: Ohio's GOP governor > 45*"
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I've very happy with his response.

  

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477. "those ft lauderdale spring break videos are fuckin infuriating"
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478. "walmart in my area completely shut down pickup/delivery."
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so people are forced to go into their packed ass stores to get groceries.

  

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479. "keri hilson has weighed in:"
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https://twitter.com/KeriHilson/status/1239429826261458944
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theres more on her timeline if you wanna check out this very valuable information that the government doesnt want you to know!

  

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480. "no Keri no. "
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she and folks like her are putting folks in bigger danger than they need to esp black/brown ppl who are janitors, custodians and maids to work overtime cleaning this debacle.
these cleaning companies arent even protecting their workers from this.
gawddammit Keri

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481. "welp, 2 cases showed up in my city over the weekend"
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it was just a matter of time, surprised it took so long.

  

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482. "they've been there for weeks. the data says there are likely many more"
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especially since most places are still only testing people who show symptoms...meanwhile asymptomatic people are running around spreading the disease.

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485. "for sure"
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i think last week they said we had 400 tests available locally. no way everyone that needs to be tested has been. we got close to 1 million people in the city and over 2.5 million total in a 50 mile radius.

the city did begin to shut down public events last week, they didnt wait until we had confirmed cases but probably still a bit late.

  

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486. "that's excellent...most cities waited till after there were cases"
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we should all be taking note of how our local elected officials have been handling this

  

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491. "San Antonio Mayor has not at all been leading. "
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His last statement was to say we need more blood donations for elective surgeries.

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488. "NC gov stepped in to save us from the Charlotte school district. "
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Idiots wanted to keep school open til Wednesday.

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489. "WA State closes all bars and restaurants."
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/king-county-and-washington-state-to-act-on-bars-restaurants-and-gatherings/

  

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492. "texas being texas"
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it has a good map though. its basically in every state now right?

https://abc13.com/society/houston-responds-to-rumors-of-bar-and-restaurant-closures/6016925/

  

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494. "All but WV as of yesterday"
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496. "No one goes to WV.. and no one leaves WV"
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495. "Bay Area - "Shelter in Place" til 4/7 SWIPE"
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php

Six Bay Area counties are expected to announce a “shelter in place” order for all residents on Monday, directing everyone to stay inside their homes and away from others as much as possible for the next three weeks as public health officials desperately try to curb the rapid spread of coronavirus across the region.

County authorities were expected to announce the move at 1 p.m. and gave a draft of the order to media outlets to prepare. The Chronicle is reporting the story after a television station published the news early.

The directive begins at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday and involves San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda counties — a combined population of more than 6.7 million. It is to stay in place until at least April 7. Three other Bay Area counties — Sonoma, Solano and Napa — were not immediately included.

The order falls just short of a full lockdown, which would forbid people from leaving their homes without explicit permission, and it wasn’t immediately clear how, or to what degree, it would be enforced. The order calls for the sheriff or chief of police to “ensure compliance.” In Italy and other places that have instituted lockdowns, travel outside the home has been restricted without permission and police have been ordering people back home if they don’t have a reason to be in public.

“The scientific evidence shows that at this stage of the (coronavirus) emergency, it is essential to slow virus transmission as much as possible to protect the most vulnerable and to prevent the health care system from being overwhelmed,” the order states. “One proven way to slow the transmission is to limit interactions among people to the greatest extent practicable.”

People who are homeless are exempt from the order but encouraged to find shelter.

All non-essential gatherings of any size are now banned, along with non-essential travel “on foot, bicycle, scooter, automobile or public transit.” People may travel for shopping for necessary supplies, accessing health care, and providing aid to family and friends who need assistance, and for non-residents, returning to their home outside the Bay Area. Airports, taxis, and public transit — including BART — will remain operational, but only for essential travel and people are expected to keep six feet apart when possible.

People in the six counties will still be able to go shopping for items such as food and household supplies, and seek medical care. They will be able to go outside for walks or exercise as long as they keep six feet away from anyone they don’t already live with.

People who are older or have underlying health problems are being told to stay inside at all times except for health care under the new directive. They should ask someone to shop for them if they are able.

The order calls for all “routine medical appointments” and elective procedures to be canceled or rescheduled. “To the extent possible, all health care visits that are not canceled or rescheduled should be done remotely,” the order states.

Everyone is to work from home, or stop working, unless they provide an essential service, which includes health care workers; police, fire and other emergency responders; and utility providers such as electricians, plumbers, and sanitation workers.

Grocery stores and pharmacies will remain open, and restaurants may stay open to provide takeout food only. Also staying open: veterinary services, gas stations and auto repair shops, hardware and other home supply stores, banks and laundry services. Businesses that remain open are encouraged to keep both employees and customers six feet apart, including while standing in line. But there are no specific limitations on the number of people allowed inside.

Daycare centers may stay open, but children must be kept in groups no larger than 12, and they must stay with the same group of children every day.

The orders come as cases of COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, climb rapidly around the region. The Bay Area has reported 251 cases since the outbreak began — but more than half of those cases were in the past four days alone. And national testing shortfalls means that there are certainly many more hundreds and possibly thousands of cases in the region that have not been diagnosed, infectious disease experts say.

Increasingly aggressive responses — such as limiting large gatherings and closing schools — have not yet slowed down the spread of disease, and public health officials agreed over the weekend that much more restrictive tactics were needed to force people apart. Authorities fear that regional hospitals could be overwhelmed by a crush of seriously ill patients if the virus is allowed to keep spreading as it has been.

The Bay Area announcement came just a day after Gov. Gavin Newsom advised that all bars in the state be closed, and that restaurants reduce capacity. Several states have announced closures of bars, restaurants and entertainment venues, and instituted curfews. Also on Sunday, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention urged that all gatherings of 50 or people or more be stopped nationwide — the agency’s strongest advisory so far. As of Monday morning, U.S. cases had topped 4,000, but the actual number of infected people is far higher.

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497. "this will be nation wide very soon.. What a time to be alive :("
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498. "So every state is on its own regarding respirators? "
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There will be no federal assistance. This is beyond astonishing.


Also, China has deployed drones to ensure that the population abide to curfew rules.

  

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500. "we are in the worst twilight zone episode"
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499. "Everything is terrible"
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This thing is just really magnifying all the trash people and processes in this country.

I work on a product made for small businesses. It seems more insignificant every day, and seems like well be lucky if there even are any small businesses soon.

Shits depressing.

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501. "seems Trump may have finally grasped the urgency of the situation"
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better late than never. Wonder which offspring had a talk with him over the wkd

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502. "optic wise he looks better today"
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503. "it's a low bar, but yeah"
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altho he did manage to utter "Nobody knew how bad it was" with a straight face

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504. "yuup that's the one part i saw where i wish Fauci batman slapped him"
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he's like, a month ago, nobody knew

dude, what?

that and the little slick shots trying to bring it back to the obama admin in 2009/2011

but just in terms of how he looked. he looked like a hostage last week, or an 8 year old. he seemed more himself today

but yeah, low bar and all

  

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507. "For sure. He had a totally different tone. Still passing blame around..."
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but at least no more of that "this is no big deal" stuff

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508. "What did Trump do that was different ?"
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510. "lmao I highly doubt it was one of his dumb, obsequious kids that did it"
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Shit, I bet Eric spits the line "you look so good, I'd suck on your daddies dick" to Donald Jr.

  

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511. "being able to read the room is one of his few actual abilities"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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505. "apparently clinical trials just started"
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506. "SWIZZY (not beats):"
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-vaccine-test-opens-1st-doses-n1160836

  

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509. "RE: apparently clinical trials just started"
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That's good, but it would still take up to a year or a year in a half to
make it widespread.

" Even if initial safety tests go well, “you’re talking about a year to a year and a half” before any vaccine could be ready for widespread use, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases."

  

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513. "Amazon hiring 100k workers & raising pay +$2/hr through end of April"
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/amazon-to-hire-100000-warehouse-and-delivery-workers.html

i was looking to order something over the weekend (not a high demand item) and it was showing a week to get here. this is definitely putting a strain on the whole system.

  

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514. "media really tryna sell us on the trump presidential pivot again."
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do they ever check his twitter feed?

  

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516. "It's fucking disgusting."
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All it takes is him not being a fucking pill for 30 seconds for the media to fawn all over him and forget the previous 30+ years.

We are an awful country.

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519. "fam look at this goofy ass shit:"
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https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1239969356471132165

they know trump is gonna make them look like fools within 24 hrs at most. why the fuck do they still do this shit?

  

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521. "jesus.. they're so pathetic"
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526. "My new reply to his base: “uh huh. And how does his dick taste?”"
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That is all I will reply with, no matter what they say. I’m enjoying it.

  

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536. "now you see how they do."
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utterly useless. there is absolutely 0 reason to praise Trump in something that will get thousands killed.

  

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515. "there needs to be criminal charges against this administration "
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DNI Coats warned of our susceptibility to a pandemic...on his way out
BHO ran a pandemic simulation in the transition
Trumpster dismantled the pandemic response team
...declined the WHO test...
and is still slow walking the response

IMO, that fits the definition of involuntary manslaughter, more specifically...

Criminally negligent manslaughter

It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of willful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts themself in a position where they will be unaware of facts which would render them liable.

Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako). Another example could be leaving a child locked in a car on a hot day

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517. "Good luck with all that."
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They can join all the Bush admin folks who are behind bars for their war crimes.

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518. "where are all the "exaggerating!" accusers now?"
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let's check back with them in 2 months again.

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527. "If these extreme measures are effective, they'll be gloating"
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They'll be like "see, we told you it was no big deal."

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520. "this is too eerie"
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https://twitter.com/search?q=dean%20koontz&src=typed_query

take a message

  

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522. "damn thats one hell of a coincidence "
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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523. "wtf"
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524. "Dean Koontz is the infinite number of monkeys"
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At typewriters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Koontz_bibliography

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532. "wut"
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525. "Im at work :-/ they don't value the IT department as human beings here"
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anyway ... HR just sent an email saying 'if you are experiencing symptoms of any illness don't come in...'

I turn around and look at my boss like "well, what you want me to do? I been coughing and sneezing all day..."

My boss said "keep on coughing and sneezing."

*eye roll*

I aint going to be working from home until the city goes on lockdown.

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531. "I’m in the same boat, I making sure everyone else can work from home"
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538. "Yep! The laptop tree is in bloom. People saying things like ..."
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"I don't feel comfortable connecting my personal computer to the VPN"

Ugh! Actually I am not opposed to switching everyone to laptops, but my boss is pissed because he just bought a new crop of mini desktops for 90% of these people in October 2019.

If we had bought laptops then..... *shoulder shrug*

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560. "Why can't they just take the mini desktops home?"
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>Ugh! Actually I am not opposed to switching everyone to
>laptops, but my boss is pissed because he just bought a new
>crop of mini desktops for 90% of these people in October
>2019.

It's only a small box, monitor, keyboard & mouse.

I have a desktop & a laptop and briefly considered taking my desktop home as well. If I drove a car to work I'd have done so.

  

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568. "Network Administrator says it’s going to be a disaster getting "
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then to hook it up themselves

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534. "same. fortune 500 company. titan in the banking industry"
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listed by dept of homeland security as a critical piece of infrastructure that has to stay open in the most dire of circumstances. here's what we're doing:

• exploring the possibility of letting "high risk" employees (60+, pre-existing medical conditions) work from home. everyone else will have to show up. also they're not passing out laptops for telecommuting; you will have to take your work desktop PC home with you. i can't imagine any of these computer illiterate boomers hooking up a PC to their home network and logging in via VPN

• not practicing social distancing. some folks are working about a foot from each other. people are constantly in your face or on your shoulder

• papers are constantly being passed around the department and handled by multiple people. no gloves. limited hand sanitizer

now there are some security measures that have to go in place for working from home to happen. we're constantly around NPI (non-published information such as address, ssn, account numbers, etc.) and that securing that info has to be taken into account. the problem is that nothing might get done re telecommuting until the end of the week and by then it's probably too late. this department is trash

  

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539. "We have been discussing telling people to take their little Dell mini's ..."
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home and out Network Administrator said the same thing about them setting it up themselves.

We are a small IT crew. Much smaller than what you described.

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528. "To all the "only 1% death rate, the flu kills more people" morons...."
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-us-hospital-georgia-shortages-healthcare-a9406411.html

"The head of a hospital in the US state of Georgia has warned that supplies are running short after using five month’s worth of supplies in six days in the fight against coronavirus.

That comes amid growing concerns of equipment shortages in healthcare facilities across the US."

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This shit could have a 99.99999% survival rate and it's still a problem. Hospitals are already running out of resources. What happens when someone has a non-COVID related medical emergency and gets to the hospital but doctors are minutes too late because they are slammed with the influx of sick people?

  

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529. "we need to nationalize manufacturing to produce PPE, ventilators and "
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related supplies, in country.

we need to be buying WHO tests from overseas and supplementing the tests being home grown.

and we need to be providing direct stimulus / subsidy to each and every citizen, BEFORE giving bailouts to these corporations which tricked off the tax cuts. 3k / mth for 3 mos for each adult in the US would be approximately 1.8Tn . they put 1.5T into the damn market and it got ate up in 30 min last week.

and ANY $$$ given in terms of corporate bailouts and assistance should come with multiple strings attached, meaning NO LAYOFFS / FURLOUGHS, up to (whatever timeframe) after this is over.




peace & blessings,

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530. "yep, pretty much"
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the market really doesnt need to be a concern right now. i think that is hard to grasp for some people but there are literally so many other things that are much more important right now.

we need to put all our resources into defeating and surviving this.

  

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545. "And we'll never do it. We'd be proving Bernie right."
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And clearly we'd rather self-destruct.

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533. "Flight Controllers at Midway Airport test positive."
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Does anyone have relatives who are stubborn and just don’t understand what’s going on?

My father is a meat and potatoes guy, and is totally misinformed. He just does not get it and is set in his ways. We bump heads often. And he tried to verbally degrade me because I decided not to go to the polls. He is your classic baby boomer, Im not going to let people dictate my life type of person.

He thinks no one in our community has it. I said have you been tested or anyone in the community? His response: I just know. He literally tried to speak for everyone in Chicago and their whereabouts.

  

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535. "my dad flew last Friday and flew back yesterday, smh"
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Shoulda cancelled that flight. He was all “that’s ridiculous!” when they suspended the NBA season. Frustrating.

  

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541. "One of my best friends is this guy."
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I admit even though I was an "alarmist" early on, I was still doing regular social shit as recently as last Tuesday nite. We had a playoff basketball game in my men's league then went out for a few beers after our win to celebrate. Obviously this was a topic of discussion and he was all "it's here now, so why are we gonna lock ourselves indoors ? We just have to treat it"

Clearly he hadn't read enough about this so I tried to learn him on why it was important to start this process. Again I want to acknowledge my own hypocrisy saying this while sitting at a semi-crowded bar lol. Anyway midway through the conversation when two of my teammates joined in and were nodding along in agreement with everything I was saying, my friend sorta did the "well aren't we having fun tonite !" thing to cut me off. He was "kidding" but also sorta not.

He flew out to South Carolina the next day and is still there. I think he's still sorta detached from the whole thing and obviously he's far from alone. It's alarming considering how bad it's gotten in just a week - fuck that, even that very *nite* when I went home that's when the NBA/Rudy Golbert shit went down which should've been enough for those of us on the basketball team to step back a bit.

We've been so lucky in this country to have gone so long without something like this happening. What us stubborn ass Americans don't seem to realize is that we no longer have a government so the lack of proactive, aggressive alarm bells wasn't because this isn't serious, it's because of the incompetency at the highest levels.

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646. "smh. And now he’s inviting a bunch of family over for pizza today"
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He. Doesn’t. Get. It.

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537. "the world is upside down."
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I find myself actually praising a GOP governor for whom I did not and would not vote in Mike DeWine.

Showing the kind of leadership that other states are going to copy or already have.

a lot of Bernie-hatin' neolibs are mad that he shut down the primary but that is the right thing to be done. fuck the primary, keep people's asses home and away from this bullshit.

  

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542. "I agree but at the same time am fearful as fuck that ..."
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>a lot of Bernie-hatin' neolibs are mad that he shut down the
>primary but that is the right thing to be done. fuck the
>primary, keep people's asses home and away from this
>bullshit.

45* and repugs will def be taking advantage of this. I have zero confidence in the 2020 election actually taking place. This is his/their powergrab and there's no way they let this opportunity pass.

Shit, Barr's already working behind the scenes to erase the ongoing Mueller prosecutions. It won't stop there.

So it's simultaneously the right thing to do, and the thing that will be the final step in the US becoming a dictatorship.

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546. "in all reality.. if we get an ONLINE election going by november..."
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...i don't know what other choice there is

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550. "So risky. Guess in person elections are too but still."
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616. "if there's no election, Trump's term expires. Period."
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Nancy Pelosi would officially be president on Jan 21, 2021

There WILL be an election.

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619. "Ha um you may have a wee bit too much faith in our institutions."
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>Nancy Pelosi would officially be president on Jan 21, 2021
>
>There WILL be an election.

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540. "How would the proposed government “cash stimulus” actually work?"
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544. "Who knows but it sounds like it’s going to on some Oprah you get a car"
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Type of thing for everyone but the middle class.

The poorer/working class folks will get $1,000 and the wealthy will get their corporate bailout.

This is from a Vox article I read earlier today:

Romney’s bill, offering $1,000 per American, gained considerable attention, but it is not the only congressional plan offering cash. Democratic Reps. Tim Ryan and Ro Khanna proposed giving at least $1,000 to every American making under $65,000, and as much as $6,000 to some families with children.

The boldest plan comes from Sens. Michael Bennet (D-CO), Cory Booker (D-NJ), and Sherrod Brown (D-OH). Joined by colleagues Sens. Angus King (I-ME), Chris Murphy (D-CT), and Brian Schatz (D-HI), they have called for immediate $2,000 payments to all adults and children in the US below a certain income threshold ($90,000 for singles and $180,000 for couples is one number I’ve heard floated in Congress).

  

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547. "which is why means testing the stimulus is a losing proposition"
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the Dems insist on means-testing. Never has "FUCK IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE" made more sense

  

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543. "This has been a long month!"
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548. "there's no way this country can control over 300 million americans"
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and non-citizens by telling them to stay indoors/self quarantine or social distancing.

shoot, there are folks who dont even know there's an actual virus outbreak still milling around, and folks who are dead set in their way of "dont tell me what i can or cannot do".

there's a viral video of a church congregation shaking hands and hugging each other cuz they pastor said "god will protect them from the virus".

take a message

  

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551. "These people will unwittingly be the guinea pigs for the virus"
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570. "martial law comin"
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>and non-citizens by telling them to stay indoors/self
>quarantine or social distancing.
>
>shoot, there are folks who dont even know there's an actual
>virus outbreak still milling around, and folks who are dead
>set in their way of "dont tell me what i can or cannot do".
>
>there's a viral video of a church congregation shaking hands
>and hugging each other cuz they pastor said "god will protect
>them from the virus".
>
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549. "Edit: Daycare down the street from ours had a possible exposure. "
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A letter was sent saying there was a possible exposure in a toddler room


Wtf does that even mean? A kid was brought in who was exposed to someone with it?


We could all possibly be exposed to it right now.



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552. "my city is stepping up"
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we still only have 3 cases and one across the border.

last night they closed bars and called for no evictions or utility disconnections among other things.

"A city ordinance passed unanimously on Tuesday calls for the following for 30 days, unless another council action:

Closure of bars, lounges, taverns and private clubs.
All City boards and commission meetings are suspended unless required by state law.
Stores are banned from price gouging.
No utility disconnections during the time period.
No evictions during the time period.
No more than 50 people at public or private gatherings, with exceptions for offices, stores, hospitals and places of transit.
Restrictions on restaurants including the number of people at a time and space between tables, disinfecting every hour, no more than parties of 6 at a table and screening of employees and food-handlers.
Urging businesses of giving two weeks of paid sick leave."

i think the restaurant thing is because one fool made a big deal about keeping the restaurants open and they caved to him.

job only sent out protocols asking us to use our pto and stay home if we are sick and to wash our hands upon arriving to work and leaving.

  

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554. "We’re not going back to normal - MIT Technology Review"
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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/

a bit alarmist but seeing how quickly things are moving it may just be realistic.

  

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555. "we won't get back to "normal" until there's a vaccine for all [LINK]"
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and even then, things probably won't ever be how they were before COVID-19. i hope, in my heart of hearts, things are actually better and i think they might be.

but yeah, read this:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

  

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556. "good read"
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it seems like its inline with the one i posted. the one i posted seems to think even after there is a vaccine some measures will need to stay in place. there would be more strains of the virus and people would constantly need to be vaccinated for those. im guessing they have data that backs that up but not having read that im hoping its just a worst case scenario.

if we get to a point where tests are plentiful that could allow people that dont have the virus to move more freely but that still will have restrictions.

  

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557. "i mean, there will always be another virus"
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since they continue to evolve and mutate its just controlling the spread and finding vaccines. never-ending battle

  

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558. "My friend, a science professor, had an interesting take on this."
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He was talking about how due to global warming and the glaciers/ice caps melting at such rapid speeds, that we are going to frequently be exposed to bacteria that have been preserved for millions of years. So humans have probably never been exposed to them and therefore, this will be a longterm, massive test for our ability to respond. That is, if we continue on our current path of "climate change doesn't exist".

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559. "which is exactly why i refuse to live the rest of my life in the US."
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i want to move to a country that does not deny climate, respects science and its citizens

those places exist. I will find them

fuck America...this was the last straw for me

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561. "Felt."
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I've long thought this country was total shit, at least relative to how highly we like to view ourselves.

But the past 3 years have been more eye opening than I ever imagined. I might follow suit. Let me know what you find lol.


>RE: which is exactly why i refuse to live the rest of my life in the US.
>i want to move to a country that does not deny climate,
>respects science and its citizens
>
>those places exist. I will find them
>
>fuck America...this was the last straw for me
>
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635. "not even mad at you."
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this failed state is run by a fucking death cult.

  

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562. "Thats an interesting take"
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I can dig it.

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563. "my question though (and i'm no scientist, obviously)..."
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these bacteria were there in the ice age and didn't wipe out humanity, in fact, humanity survived despite them...so, aren't humans sort of immune to those already?

that's my thinking but i only know what i know, lol.

  

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565. "Haha yea I'm not sure either."
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I'll ask him lol.


>these bacteria were there in the ice age and didn't wipe out
>humanity, in fact, humanity survived despite them...so, aren't
>humans sort of immune to those already?
>
>that's my thinking but i only know what i know, lol.

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566. "That immunity fades. "
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Though I am a scientist, I'm not a biochemist, so I can't promise much accuracy here either.

But my understanding is that antibodies are almost always formed by exposure. The information isn't normally written into the DNA for intergenerational transmission (though I'm sure some of it is transferred meta-genetically for a generation or two). So when a baby is born, most viruses and bacteria are "novel" to them and their immune systems are trained through low-level exposure (hopefully low-level, thanks to herd immunity).

Even if antibodies were encoded in the DNA, I assume the information would tend to be lost over thousands of years of genetic drift if there isn't an active pathogen.


On this subject: I coincidentally saw a news story just a few weeks ago about an ancient strain of Chlamydia emerging from permafrost. It's old enough that we don't know what the significance might be, but this kind of thing was getting to be a concern even before everyone was thinking about pandemics.

  

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567. "that sounds correct to my dumb ass. lol."
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571. "they found the age old chlymydia in the arctic recently"
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>He was talking about how due to global warming and the
>glaciers/ice caps melting at such rapid speeds, that we are
>going to frequently be exposed to bacteria that have been
>preserved for millions of years. So humans have probably never
>been exposed to them and therefore, this will be a longterm,
>massive test for our ability to respond. That is, if we
>continue on our current path of "climate change doesn't
>exist".

  

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564. "Hint: same goes for the election."
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I.e., Biden as the "back to normal" candidate.

  

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569. "this is like a science fiction novel. that imperial college study from t..."
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got like O_O.

multiple waves over 18 months, until a vaccine is available. and they were suggesting that we may need to oscillate back and forth between lockdown. relaxing. lockdown. like 2 mos off, 2 mos on.

if i extrapolate, we'll have a social season, and then the quarantine season, in cycles.

it's going to transform economics, culture, everything.

this is crazy.



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572. "Yeah. NBC interviewed an expert italian doctor, who was"
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in quarantine, oddly enough, due to mild complications from contracting the virus while trying to treat others.

He stated ,factually, that our lives will never go back to previous normal interactions.

- It will take up to 1- 2 years to administer vaccines if one passes the vaccine trials.

- It will take years for the world to build up immunity to the virus.

- And different strains may develop, where people get re-infected

- They still don't understand the full behavior or trajectory of the virus.

Also, people with other disorders, disabilities, and diseases will highly, highly be affected. A lot of them will not get the attention or care that they were previously getting.

Plus what about individuals who become wounded or injured from violent crimes and traumatic accidents?

Security and surveillance will be implemented in extreme measures. I can see people getting biologically scanned before entering every establishment, and I can see unhealthy people, and people of different ethnicities who are unhealthy, being discriminated against or ostracized.




  

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574. "Man"
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>- It will take up to 1- 2 years to administer vaccines if one
>passes the vaccine trials.

I hope this comes sooner rather than later AND that any ant-vaxers are stoned to - not death- but to their sense??

>- And different strains may develop, where people get
>re-infected

I hope this doesn't mutate much and the vaccine wipes it out, best case is polio vaccine and strain.


>Also, people with other disorders, disabilities, and diseases
>will highly, highly be affected. A lot of them will not get
>the attention or care that they were previously getting.

Let's hope this changes to the system to have more resources to help - not just re-allocate existing resources for the sake of profit - they way we do now.

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573. "How does this sending checks to everyone work?"
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Is it just people who pay taxes (which I’ve heard) or people currently employed (which doesn’t make sense but is also what I’ve heard)?

Anyone have any idea?

  

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584. "Conspiracy theory: The US Census "
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No census? No check.

  

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575. "It's where I live!"
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Heard someone just got it at the doctor's office. We're all screwed.

  

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576. "apparently young people are more susceptible than we thought."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETdxHJZWkAUnl3k?format=jpg&name=large

  

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577. "personally....I think this is more propaganda than anything...but i'm do..."
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with it if it gets these folks to sit they ass down

  

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579. "agreed"
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some of this stuff, i feel like i'm being lied to. too many agendas.

  

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578. "I've heard conflicting reports on this."
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From what I understand, the data from China is quite clear (to the extent that we believe it, but on this question I don't see any particular reason that we shouldn't). But I've also been hearing more preliminary reports from Europe that seem to differ.

One thing we should be careful about (this isn't what you're doing here, I'm just making the point generally): the media likes anecdotes, and anecdotes are often misleading. There WILL be examples of young people, even children, dying in the next few days in the US. If the odds of this are, say, 1 in 1000, then we're tempted to say the risk for young people is 'essentially zero,' and for any particular young person that remains true. But once we have thousands of positive cases, then even at that low rate there will be very sad stories where someone, inevitably, was the one who was just so unlucky.

  

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582. "Dutch papers were reporting many IC patients under 50"
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over the past week.

They didn't mention percentages (those would shift from day to day anyways), but they quoted doctors in hospitals at the heart of our outbreak, who were worried about reports of young people not taking this seriously.

But I'm also thinking the demographics could've been skewed by the first wave of infections originating from carnival celebrations, where it's mostly younger people mingling in bars and streets.

It's hard to tell in the chaos, but in any case it's a reminder that everybody needs to take this seriously.

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585. "Yeah, anyone who says "I can go on as usual because it doesn't effect me..."
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is committing an deeply immoral act and should be legally prosecuted, as far as I'm concerned. Not that there are laws for this sort of thing.

And as much as I'm quibbling with this particular graph, if it helps discourage young people from interacting, then it's a good thing. Really I'm only quibbling with that graph as a statistics nerd.

  

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583. "The binning on that is bizarre."
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I don't know if CDC had some reason to do it like that, or if the Times did it. (I guess I assume the latter. At any rate, I'm disappointed in whoever did it, unless there was a reason I'm not understanding.)

But note: the 29% group is ages 20 to 44 -- a 25-year span.

The higher groupings each represent a 10-year span.

It seems like it would be more honest to weight the bin sizes by population. The overall population of the US is roughly evenly distributed from age 0 to about 60, with falloff above that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#/media/File:Uspop.svg

I think this means the divisions in that pie chart really should be equally-sized age brackets up to age 60, and increasingly wider brackets beyond that. It looks like if the data were binned that way, this chart would tell basically the same story we've heard before: very serious risk for people over age 70, decreasing risk in lower age brackets, with risk small but nonzero for young people.

  

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588. "Testing in the US is so bad"
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it's almost pointless to draw too much info from that graph IMO. Not to say one shouldn't be careful because the recently huge spikes of the deaths in Italy is deeply scary, but extrapolating trends based of US figures doesn't make too much sense at this point in time.

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580. "I don't know about anybody else, but..."
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I'm not encouraged by Mr Trump listing off experimental treatments that he can't even pronounce.

  

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581. "So apparently Ammunation is doing well."
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Glad people over here mostly stick to hoarding tp over ammo.

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589. "a food shortage and medication is being rationed for the elites"
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a desperate father/mother will do anything for their child to eat and stay alive, or worse someone breaking into your home to get what they need.


now i know why years later, they wanted ppl give up their guns cuz this might happen.

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586. "Senator Burr Recorded Telling Group Of Donors COVID19 More Serious Than ..."
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https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19

Intelligence Chairman Raised Virus Alarms Weeks Ago, Secret Recording Shows
March 19, 20205:08 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
Tim Mak in 2018.
TIM MAK



Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., pictured here in 2019, warned a small group of constituents on Feb. 27 about the impact of the coronavirus on the U.S., according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.
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The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.

The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.

On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting that the virus could be seasonal.

"It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."

On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.

"There's one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history," he said, according to a secret recording of the remarks obtained by NPR. "It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic."

The luncheon had been organized by the Tar Heel Circle, a nonpartisan group whose membership consists of businesses and organizations in North Carolina, the state Burr represents. Membership to join the Tar Heel Circle costs between $500 and $10,000 and promises that members "enjoy interaction with top leaders and staff from Congress, the administration, and the private sector," according to the group's website.

In attendance, according to a copy of the RSVP list obtained by NPR, were dozens of invited guests representing companies and organizations from North Carolina. And according to federal records, those companies or their political committees donated more than $100,000 to Burr's election campaign in 2015 and 2016. (Burr announced previously he was not planning to run for reelection in 2022.)

The message Burr delivered to the group was dire.

Thirteen days before the State Department began to warn against travel to Europe, and 15 days before the Trump administration banned European travelers, Burr warned those in the room to reconsider.

"Every company should be cognizant of the fact that you may have to alter your travel. You may have to look at your employees and judge whether the trip they're making to Europe is essential or whether it can be done on video conference. Why risk it?" Burr said.

Sixteen days before North Carolina closed its schools over the threat of the coronavirus, Burr warned it could happen.

"There will be, I'm sure, times that communities, probably some in North Carolina, have a transmission rate where they say, 'Let's close schools for two weeks. Everybody stay home,' " he said.


Hospital clinicians work on testing patients for the coronavirus at Newton-Wellesley Hospital in Newton, Mass., where the hospital has set up tents in a parking garage.
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And Burr invoked the possibility that the military might be mobilized to combat the coronavirus. Only now, three weeks later, is the public learning of that prospect.

"We're going to send a military hospital there; it's going to be in tents and going to be set up on the ground somewhere," Burr said at the luncheon. "It's going to be a decision the president and DOD make. And we're going to have medical professionals supplemented by local staff to treat the people that need treatment."

Burr has a unique perspective on the government's response to a pandemic, and not just because of his role as Intelligence Committee chairman. He helped to write the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA), which forms the framework for the federal response.

But in his public comments about the threat of COVID-19, Burr never offered the kind of precise warning that he delivered to the small group of his constituents.

On Feb. 7, Burr co-authored an op-ed that laid out the tools that the U.S. government had at its disposal to fight the coronavirus.

"Luckily, we have a framework in place that has put us in a better position than any other country to respond to a public health threat, like the coronavirus," Burr said in a statement on March 5.

He pressed a CDC official in early March as to why the nation's pandemic surveillance capabilities had fallen short despite the millions in funding he had helped secure for that purpose through PAHPA.

But despite his longtime interest in biohazard threats, his expertise on the subject, and his role as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Burr did not warn the public of the government actions he thought might become necessary, as he did at the luncheon on Feb. 27.

Burr's office did not directly respond to a list of questions sent by NPR.

His spokesperson Caitlin Carroll provided a statement that stressed Burr's decades-long interest in public health preparedness.

"Since early February, whether in constituent meetings or open hearings, he has worked to educate the public about the tools and resources our government has to confront the spread of coronavirus," Carroll wrote. "At the same time, he has urged public officials to fully utilize every tool at their disposal in this effort. Every American should take this threat seriously and should follow the latest guidelines from the CDC and state officials."

One public health expert told NPR that early warnings about a coming health crisis and its effects could have made a difference just a few weeks ago.

"In the interest of public health, we actually need to involve the public. It's right there in the name. And being transparent, being as clear as possible is very important," said Jason Silverstein, who lectures at the Department of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School.

"The type of language that could have come out there at the end of February saying here's what we ought to expect could have, you know, not panicked people, but gotten them all together to have to all prepare," Silverstein added.

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587. "Everyone following this from early knows that it's more serious..."
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...than what's being reported on social media, TV and other mainstream news sites.

Early == Before February.

No country quarantines a city of 11 million, then a region with up to half a billion people for just the flu.

Virus has SARS in the name.

Wasn't that hard to figure out.

  

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591. "Not everyone but I get your point."
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>...than what's being reported on social media, TV and other
>mainstream news sites.
>
>Early == Before February.
>
>No country quarantines a city of 11 million, then a region
>with up to half a billion people for just the flu.
>
>Virus has SARS in the name.
>
>Wasn't that hard to figure out.

Hard for some

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/david-clarke-says-go-to-bars-restaurants-during-coronavirus.html

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/17/right-wing-pundits-shameless-pivot-it-was-a-hoax-but-now-its-an-emergency/

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595. "I get your point. Clearly not "everyone" even with CLEAR info..."
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I stay off mainstream media, so I didn't realize how much dumb shit people that are supposedly "intelligent" and "leaders" were spouting.

I don't think I realize how deep the "just a flu!" propaganda had penetrated people in the US. Even now, folks are *still* minimizing this.

Seems like the easiest way to hide info in plain site in the US is to put it all out there, but in a way that requires critical thinking to connect the dots.

  

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606. "Yep."
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>I stay off mainstream media, so I didn't realize how much
>dumb shit people that are supposedly "intelligent" and
>"leaders" were spouting.
>
>I don't think I realize how deep the "just a flu!" propaganda
>had penetrated people in the US. Even now, folks are *still*
>minimizing this.

It's terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa4i9Ap6dCg



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>Seems like the easiest way to hide info in plain site in the
>US is to put it all out there, but in a way that requires
>critical thinking to connect the dots.

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602. "He unloaded stocks in mid-February before coronavirus rocked markets"
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https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/03/burr-unloaded-stocks-before-coronavirus/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twitter_burr-stocks-coronavirus-031920

As the coronavirus outbreak began to spread across the U.S. in mid-February, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) unloaded his holdings in dozens of stocks that would lose much of their market value over the coming weeks.

Burr and his wife Brooke sold between $581,000 and $1.5 million in publicly traded stocks on Feb. 13 and didn’t buy any new positions, according to a recent financial disclosure filed with the Senate.

Around the time that Burr sold his shares of major corporations, including several hard hit hotel companies, he publicly expressed confidence about the U.S. government’s ability to fight the virus. However in late February, Burr privately warned that the virus is “much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history,” according to a recording obtained by NPR.

Between the Burrs’ two accounts, they sold up to $150,000 worth of stock in Wyndham Hotels & Resorts, which lost almost two-thirds of its market value since Feb. 13. They sold up to $150,000 in Extended Stay America, another hotel company that lost half its value over the last month. Burr also sold between $15,001 and $50,000 of stock in Park Hotels & Resorts, which saw its stock price drop from nearly $24 to under $5. The hotel industry is asking President Donald Trump for a bailout as Americans increasingly avoid travel.

Congressional financial disclosures display investment amounts in wide ranges. In total, the Burrs sold seven positions worth between $50,001 and $100,000, including shares of major companies AbbVie, Centurylink and Constellation Brands.

“Senator Burr filed a financial disclosure form for personal transactions made several weeks before the U.S. and financial markets showed signs of volatility due to the growing coronavirus outbreak,” a Burr spokesperson told OpenSecrets. “As the situation continues to evolve daily, he has been deeply concerned by the steep and sudden toll this pandemic is taking on our economy. He supported Congress’ immediate efforts to provide $7.8 billion for response efforts and this week’s bipartisan bill to provide relief for American business and small families.”

In his most recent annual financial disclosure filed in 2019, Burr reported holding $1.3 million in equities. Anywhere between one-fourth and three-fourths of that was liquidated on a single day last month.

It’s unclear how much control Burr has over his portfolio. His assets are managed by private wealth management firm Stephens Inc. Burr’s net worth in 2018 was between $3.4 million and $11 million, according to OpenSecrets’ review of his disclosure.

About one week after the Burrs unloaded their shares, the stock market began to plunge on the news of coronavirus-related demand shortages. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has lost nearly one-third of its value since mid-February, wiping out the gains made during Trump’s presidency.

Officials have confirmed over 10,000 cases of COVID-19 and 150 deaths in the U.S. But officials don’t believe they can accurately account for the number of Americans infected with the virus, as the U.S. lags behind other nations in the number of tests it administers. Earlier this month, Burr grilled a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention official about why the agency was slow to roll out testing.


In a Feb. 7 opinion piece for Fox News, Burr and Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) wrote that the U.S. is “is better prepared than ever before” to deal with a health crisis like the coronavirus. Trump downplayed the threat of the virus throughout February but changed his tone in recent days as the outbreak spread to all 50 states and rattled major industries.

Trump signed a bipartisan coronavirus aid package Thursday that will provide sick leave to some workers and increase testing capabilities. The bill was heavily lobbied by powerful business associations. With much of the nation staying home to prevent the virus from spreading, airlines are asking Congress for a bailout along with other affected industries like casinos and manufacturers.

Some analysts have said the U.S. economy is in a recession that will result in widespread job losses. Influential lawmakers have been known to unload their stocks before markets tank. Amid the 2008 financial crisis, dozens of members made drastic changes to their portfolios after meeting with key government officials.

Researcher Alex Baumgart contributed to this report.

  

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605. "Damn putting people in danger is not enough"
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590. "Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalization"
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in the US

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.html

Now the age group who are at risk of dying is much higher, but younger adults who are being hospitalized for complications, those numbers are high. 40 percent.

Now imagine the number of young adults who have yet to be tested, or have yet to show symptoms, or have not shown symptoms, walking around in america who are not sheltering in place.

You remember, it was first reported that young adults would not have any drastic complications, and the main concern was about them being carriers( which is the main concern with everyone).





  

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592. "So...my wife and I may have it. "
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We were in Florida a week ago and flew home last Thursday. She's been in bed with flu-like symptoms the last few days, and I have symptoms more like a head cold. She did a virtual appointment with her doctor (they didn't want her to go in unless it was severe) and was told that she likely has Covid-19. She was put on a list to be called back for a test.

I then called my doctor and got put on a list to be tested, and somehow got called back before her. They had a tent setup outside the office for drive through swabbing for tests, which I did this morning. Results within 48 hours.

Apparently the testing is just starting to get widely available. Considering the time for the results to come in, the numbers are gonna blow up by Monday.

  

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594. "I'm not trying to make light of your situation at all"
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>We were in Florida a week ago and flew home last Thursday.
>She's been in bed with flu-like symptoms the last few days,
>and I have symptoms more like a head cold. She did a virtual
>appointment with her doctor (they didn't want her to go in
>unless it was severe) and was told that she likely has
>Covid-19. She was put on a list to be called back for a test.
>
>
>I then called my doctor and got put on a list to be tested,
>and somehow got called back before her.

but this is pretty damn remarkable. Congrats on being able to get a test so quickly. Hopefully your wife will be able to get tested as well so she will have full insight on the matter. I almost wonder what would happen if you tried to get your wife tested along with yourself at that drive in spot.

Pretty damn wild the testing is still so half-assed in this country.

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597. "Yeah it seems pretty random. I think the reason though is she"
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called first, before our particular health system had testing available. The triage nurse had her go to a separate hotline for Covid-19, which had her on virtual hold for almost a full day. The hotline staff put her on a list to be tested. When I called the triage nurse put me directly on the list without having to call a hotline - likely because their health system had tests available.

They gave me the first appointment of the day this morning. Wouldn't have worked for my wife to also get tested because you needed an appointment tied to your account. The swab sample they took was all tied to my account and I'll get my results in my online portal.

  

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599. "how uncomfortable is the test?"
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been curious about this

  

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603. "Very uncomfortable for me, I’m a wimp though. "
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They swab the back of your nostrils, and it goes deeper than I anticipated so I was caught off guard. I’m sure it’s perfectly fine and no big deal for most though.

  

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i thought that cant be right? oof

  

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593. "We *added* Iran sanctions"
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This is genocide. Also, the US accusing another country of spending too much money on proxy wars instead of taking care of their own citizens is pretty rich.

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-foreign-minister-javad-zarif-claims-us-sanctions-virtually-impossible-fight-coronavirus-1493181

IRAN FOREIGN MINISTER CLAIMS U.S. SANCTIONS MAKE IT 'VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE' TO FIGHT CORONAVIRUS
BY DAVID BRENNAN ON 3/19/20 AT 7:28 AM EDT

ranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif has claimed that American sanctions are hampering Iran's ability to fight the spread of coronavirus, which has killed more than 1,100 Iranians to date.

Zarif released a video message Wednesday to celebrate the Iranian new year, and which he also used to condemn continued U.S. sanctions on the country despite the COVID-19 pandemic.

"My country is among the hardest hit by the coronavirus," Zarif said, according to the state-funded Islamic Republic News Agency. "We are now learning how to better confront it — sadly a huge part of the danger Iranians face is due to restrictions unjustly imposed on them by the United States government."

The Iranian regime has claimed that American sanctions are preventing the government from buying medical supplies needed to treat its citizens for coronavirus and other health issues. The U.S. has dismissed those assertions, arguing sanctions include an exemption for medical products.

But Iran says that sanctions on the country's financial system mean it cannot process transactions to secure vital medical supplies, even if they are technically allowed.

"The economic siege imposed on us impedes all legitimate trade and deprives us from our own resources — the ones necessary to address the needs of our people including their health and livelihoods," Zarif continued.

"Even amid this pandemic the U.S. government has fully refused to lift its unlawful and collective punishment making it virtually impossible for us to even buy medicine and medical equipment."

The U.S. imposed new sanctions on Iran this week after a series of rocket attacks on American and Coalition troops in Iraq, suspected to have been launched by Iranian-backed militias.

Zarif criticized the countries "who officially oppose these sanctions" but "have chosen to comply with them" regardless. "We are all in this together to better confront the virus we need to better work together, but to get there the war on multilateralism, international cooperation and the rule of law must come to an end," he said.

A State Department spokesperson told Newsweek, "U.S. sanctions are not preventing aid from getting to Iran. The United States maintains broad authorizations that allow for the sale of food, agricultural commodities, medicine, and medical devices by U.S persons or from the United States to Iran."

The spokesperson argued that Iran has prioritized funding for regional proxy forces over healthcare, and suggested, "the Iranian people know that any sanctions relief would go to sponsor terrorist, not humanitarian, activities."

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is among those who have accused the Iranian regime of covering up the scale of coronavirus infections and deaths in the country. The State Department spokesperson said that Tehran is now attempting to divert attention from its own failings via "false claims" of U.S. sanctions pressure and conspiracy theories that America is behind the outbreak.

The United States has and continues to offer humanitarian assistance to the Iranian people for their response to the coronavirus outbreak," the statement added. "It is unfortunate for the Iranian people that their government has rejected this offer to date. The media should know better than to believe Chinese and Russian propaganda that misleads the public into believing U.S. sanctions are to blame."

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596. "US jails begin releasing prisoners to stem Covid-19 infections"
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51947802

US jails are to let out inmates as cases of coronavirus infections are being reported in prisons.

New York City is releasing "vulnerable" prisoners, the mayor said on Wednesday, days after Los Angeles and Cleveland freed hundreds of inmates.

Prison reform advocates say those in jail are at higher risk of catching and passing on Covid-19.

There have been more than 9,400 cases of Covid-19 and 152 deaths in the US so far, according to estimates.

Globally there are some 220,000 confirmed cases and over 8,800 deaths.

What happened in New York City?
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Wednesday that city officials will this week identify individuals for release, including people who were arrested for minor crimes and those most vulnerable to infection due to underlying health problems.

His announcement came hours after a guard and a prisoner tested positive for coronavirus at Rikers Island prison, where disgraced former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, 68, is a high-profile inmate.

Weinstein will be moved to a different state prison, an official said on Wednesday.

Other New York prisons, such as Sing Sing, have had inmates test positive for coronavirus and one employee for the state's corrections department has died from it.

What have other US jurisdictions done?
The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department reduced it's inmate population by 600 in the last two weeks, officials said on Tuesday.

"Our population within our jails is a vulnerable population just by who they are, where they are located, so we're protecting that population from potential exposure," Los Angeles Sheriff Alex Villanueva told reporters earlier this week.

The LA County jail system is the largest prison system in the world with an average population of around 22,000 prisoners.

Mr Villaneuva disclosed that arrests in the county are also down, from an average of 300 per weekend to only 60 in mid-March.

Cuyahoga County, Ohio, where the city of Cleveland is located, has also released hundreds of prisoners due to coronavirus concerns.

Judges held emergency hearings through the weekend to work out plea deals and other agreements to allow prisoners to be released early or without serving time.

Several states from New York to California are now banning in-person visitors. A ban on visits led to a deadly prison riot in Italy last week.

Federal agencies will postpone most arrests and deportations during the coronavirus crisis.

What is the danger to prisoners?
Reform campaigners say prisoners face unique risks, due to a lack of hygiene in overcrowded cells and hallways.

Handcuffed people cannot cover their mouths when they cough or sneeze, sinks often lack soap and hand sanitiser is considered contraband due to its alcohol content.

Iran has already released 85,000 people, including political prisoners, in an effort to combat the pandemic.

The US locks up more of its citizens per capita than any other country, with an estimated 2.3 million people behind bars in federal, state and local prisons.

Some high profile convicts have argued for early release over coronavirus fears.

They include President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen, 53, financial fraudster Bernie Madoff, 81, and Gilberto Rodriguez-Orejuela, a notorious Colombian drug lord.

  

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598. "Some interesting vids about coronavirus origins/zoonotic jumps:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54 (Vox piece, 9m watch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nZ4mw4mXw (60 Min AU piece, 28m watch)


My takeaways:

It's striking that ground zero of BOTH the SARS coronavirus pandemic of the early 2000s and the current COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic were found to be this particular type of market (tho different suspected animal hosts in each case).

Also some sobering layers to it all, for folks that look for such intersections, with respect to:

-environmentalism (eg. the totally UNNATURAL intermingling in these markets of animals from such different geographies, ecosystems, and trophic levels with not only each other but with humans, dramatically facilitating zoonotic jumps and also the range of diseases that can 'jump' in the first place)

-capitalism (eg. apparently, there is a very small consumer base for the animal products sold in these markets. the entire industry exists to serve a tiny but powerful elite class who 1-are the only ones who can even afford to buy/prepare/eat this stuff; 2-use their influence to lobby against tighter/permanent regulations; 3-keep demand up regardless of regulatory climate and thus facilitate illicit trade of these products by organized crime syndicates bc they'll pay whatever which makes it a lucrative underground business)

After watching these vids, I think prevention may be bigger than what any one country can tackle alone (as it shows in one video, even with these markets now banned for the time being in China there are still some operating in other countries (eg. Thailand) or even continents). I think the global response may have to expand past WHO and there should be multilateral prohibition of this type of market across the board. Like, using policy instruments as binding as the Geneva Conventions. These pandemics are as deadly as any military conflict and have global reach. I think the argument could be made that these markets constitute biological weapons that (in most cases) simply haven't detonated yet, and should be banned entirely. Like, from Earth.

  

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600. "Bruh, this came out of a lab. Occam's Razor to a tee."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6
https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/24/us-warned-virus-escape-lab-near-coronavirus-epicentre-12114591/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

  

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601. "Lol, I'm not a bruh I'm a sis. Anyway, your lab theory is compelling... "
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I wasn't aware of this lab's story and how the timeline works out with respect to its opening and the type of research done there. Also makes you think about the initial reaction over there when the whistleblower doctor spoke out, and how he was arrested and warned/punished for speaking out before he died... I wonder if he had any affiliation with the lab?? Or whether some of the initial patients he raised concerns about, were affiliated??

That said, according to reports a significant number of the initial patients in Wuhan had been to the same wet market (I want to say I heard ~26 out of the 41, but I may have read it wrong and I can't remember the link). I imagine that's a fairly unlikely coincidence, especially given the role wet markets played in the SARS outbreak last decade.

Even if there's some shadiness involved with respect to this lab, I still think the wet markets are an important risk factor;pose a significant biological threat to humanity; and should be uniformly, multilaterally, outlawed and shut down in any country they're currently operated. I think the UN and all affiliated states need to flex unequivocally on this issue. Can't keep going through this every decade.



>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
>https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6
>https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/24/us-warned-virus-escape-lab-near-coronavirus-epicentre-12114591/
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

  

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611. "Hawaii hit 26 cases today"
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I’m not sure how we haven’t had more cases with the amount of international visitors that come here, could just be a lack of testing. Most of the cases are from travelers returning from mainland US or Europe, not Asia. Just this week we had our first community transmission to a tour guide.

Locals are starting to protest with signs at the airports, asking tourists to go home. I’m hoping that mandated self quarantines will dissuade people from coming here. I hate to say it but until they develop a strong screening process, they should shut down flights to reduce spread.

I haven’t seen any science behind it but I really hope the heat/humidity is helping reduce the spread. I really feel like Hawaii would have had more cases by now with the amount of visitors.

I work in retail and have been exposed to a lot of people over the last month, I hope I’m not currently asymptomatic, but out of caution I also have not been close to any family/friends in weeks. Work shut down for two weeks, but a handful of us are still going in to keep up with some tasks, I’m staying as far away as I can.

The news is so sobering to read, this looks like it will be a problem for a while. I keep telling myself not to overreact, but I have no clue how serious this will end up.

  

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618. "without accurate testing numbers, the reported case numbers are inaccura..."
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612. "I guess this motherfucker's just gonna call it 'the Chinese virus' now."
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Never let a worldwide catastrophe distract from trolling opportunities.

  

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614. "it's his move. he wants the media to focus on it so he can play victim"
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of racist attacks. by "racist attacks" i mean him being called a racist.

this is only going to go so far for him since everyone is affected, he can't just redirect the story like he always does.

he's not coming back from this.

  

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620. "How on earth do you figure that ?!"
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>he's not coming back from this.

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624. "this is the first thing that affects everyone"
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as pissed as people get about kids in cages, or perfect phone calls, or dumb tweets, most of us were not yet personally affected in our daily lives by his presidency.

Because of that his gift has been to keep flooding us with media bait every time someone corners him, and make them chase the laser pointer like a cat. this story is not going anywhere. how we fair though this is gonna define his presidency, and the idea that america thinks we can wing it with a game show host instead of people who know what they're doing is gonna end (at least for a couple decades).

even in the best case scenario many of us are going to lose our jobs. the economy will take some time to get rolling again. cutting us a couple G's might help short term but that's about it. even news cycles about how presidential he looks today won't help him long term

he didn't cause the virus, but everything negative that comes out of the sluggish response is gonna be on him, even if it's unfair. this is gonna wear on people the longer it lasts. it's also gonna wear on him actually having to be a public servant and a leader. once the smoke clears, he's done.

>>he's not coming back from this.

  

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625. "I don't share in your optimism but I hope you're right."
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>as pissed as people get about kids in cages, or perfect phone
>calls, or dumb tweets, most of us were not yet personally
>affected in our daily lives by his presidency.
>
>Because of that his gift has been to keep flooding us with
>media bait every time someone corners him, and make them chase
>the laser pointer like a cat. this story is not going
>anywhere. how we fair though this is gonna define his
>presidency, and the idea that america thinks we can wing it
>with a game show host instead of people who know what they're
>doing is gonna end (at least for a couple decades).
>
>even in the best case scenario many of us are going to lose
>our jobs. the economy will take some time to get rolling
>again. cutting us a couple G's might help short term but
>that's about it. even news cycles about how presidential he
>looks today won't help him long term
>
>he didn't cause the virus, but everything negative that comes
>out of the sluggish response is gonna be on him, even if it's
>unfair. this is gonna wear on people the longer it lasts. it's
>also gonna wear on him actually having to be a public servant
>and a leader. once the smoke clears, he's done.

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652. "I hope he doesn't come back from this."
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however, I fear he will. there have been so many other things that he shouldn't have come back from and did every time.

my guess is the timing for 'righting' the ship will fall in his favor. as in this eventually dies down at some point, that money will be sent out to folks, commerce will pick up. and he'll take all the credit, along with his fellow repugs. they'll continue to politicizing this and blaming the democrats rather than making it a human issue.

I also don't trust those rural areas with few jobs and limited resources to not vote for him, even as he sinks to new lows.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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637. "this + the lip service given to UBI = backdoor to national socialism"
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Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller are determined to make him the next Hitler.

  

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615. "jobless claims forecast: 3x the weekly record of last 50 years."
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https://twitter.com/steveliesman/status/1240978026105573377
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Goldman & others look for unprecedented surge in unemployment claims next week to 2.25 million---almost TRIPLE the biggest week ever (+695k in '82.) It's already overwhelming ability of states to respond. Can't find discussion yet of federal aid to states to help pay for it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETjWuXyX0AAB-E2?format=jpg&name=large
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617. "I'm considering taking home my laptop and some supplies"
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no word from the company yet on working from home. boss is on vacation.

city has put more and more restrictions by the day, texas even jumped in yesterday urging people to stay home. im thinking over the weekend we will get the order from the state for everyone to stay home except for "essential" workers.

it would make sense to have what i need to work from home if it comes to it instead of having everything at the office right?

local cases doubled to 6 yesterday, still all due to travel. supposedly only 80 people have been tested.

  

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622. "Vacation? That dude is in quarantine "
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My company is essential because we work with healthcare firewalls.

But I’m just the marketing guy so I get to WFH.

At first I said nah but I have 2 young kids. Can’t risk bringing something home to them.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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623. "i legit thought he was on quarantine"
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hes been sick for a few weeks, once get a confirmed case last friday my coworker sent a group text telling us to stay save.

boss replied with "thanks im going to self quarantine this week!" i figured it was a joke but then he wasnt here monday lol. coworker said he had vacation though. boss has been sending emails today and said he will be back on monday.

we service restaurants (backroom supplies) and frozen food packaging. im pretty sure we will have a fair amount of business. i do graphic design and my software doesnt require any connection to a server or an internal systems. i definitely can work from home. the only things i do that require im here physically are things other people should be and could be doing.

i think i might call the boss right now and tell him im going to work from home for the rest of the day to test it out lol

  

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621. "republicans taking this war on the coronavirus literally."
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treating a pandemic like a muslim country nshit.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1240814685810647040

  

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626. "They just canceled the school food assistance program here"
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because the head nutritionist tested positive

after they cancelled school they developed the program to help feed kids who's families depended on school breakfast and lunch.

  

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627. "RE: They just canceled the school food assistance program here"
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Wow. That is devastating. Is she Head Nutritionist of a particular school, or is she the head for all school districts? She was just selecting the meal and meal plans, but the meals were being distributed by other entities?

Why not quarantine and work from home, and continue with the program? They just can't let children go without being fed or receiving nutrition.

This is maddening.

  

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658. "the Food Bank is handling it now"
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it was just the person. running the show who was in contact with other officers who were in contact with people packing lunches and handling food

  

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629. "Goddamn."
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628. "Passengers on the Grand Princess cruise ship refuse to take "
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the Covid-19 test. They have been sitting in quarantine since March 9th. They have no symptoms, but they could be carriers. And Health Officials want them to be tested before they are released to make sure they are not carriers.

They don't want to do it.....



Glad I am a generation Xer, and open to all possibilities, unlike Boomers and Generation Z ( zommers) . Boomers are mired in their faith and old way of life, and Zoomers are simply apathetic.


https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/grand-princess-cruise-passengers-in-quarantine-refusing-coronavirus-tests/

  

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630. "What could their reasoning possibly be"
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631. "Coronavirus Florida: Lake Worth Beach city commission meeting turns ugly"
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Coronavirus Florida: Lake Worth Beach city commission meeting turns ugly

https://twitter.com/jappoffjones/status/1241378414575181833

  

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632. "it's about to be a lot of dumb leaders getting mad at being called out"
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for their incompetence, particularly in the south where reactions are slow and likely to be more about not crossing trump than protecting people

  

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633. "lol that dude who keeps calmly asking what a recess means"
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640. "wow, those people aside from the Commissioner"
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aren't worth a shit. good thing this was captured on camera

  

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634. "Since Dolt45 cant do rallies hes just gonna be a baby at daily pressers?"
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I caught 5 minutes this morning and it was the same as the 5 minutes i caught yesterday, which was him going on and on about China and crying about being called racist.

because he's the real victim in all this

  

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636. "this whole thing is an indictment on the USA"
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people should consider the country as in wartime.

the bourgeois servants of the elite are looking like absolute fools if not sociopaths, minus a few. all these corps asking for bailouts and look earmarked to get it. meanwhile the people they need to keep their funky lil businesses going will be wiped out or unable to participate.

I'm mad at Democratic Party leadership. this is their time to DUNK on the ineptitude of Donald Trump and the GOP and they're getting embarrassed. polls regarding Donald Trump's "ability to handle the virus" has creeped over half in his favor. in an election year. when he is objectively bungling this at every turn.

Meanwhile Dems leadership (Pelosi, Schumer et al) are obssessed with figuring out ways to "make sure only people in need" get aid. fuck that. give everybody aid, and tax the richest ones after the fact. upstart House members (and one long-tenured member (Waters) are among the few actually trying to "get this done", in their parlance).

all of these motherfuckers should lose their fucking jobs (at minimum).


in the end China will rise as "The World Power" and it will all be the fault of those who thought they could pretend to serve anyone but rich people, who obviously don't give 2 shits about anyone else.

USA has been faking "1st world status" in the worst way. hope more people wake up to this

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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638. "Yep China has pretty much recovered already"
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639. "RE: Yep China has pretty much recovered already"
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China is not even close to being totally recovered and lot of their stats are under reported. They are slowly reopening closed areas and places of business, but they are expecting a second wave of infections as people try to return to normal. And China is still receiving new imported cases, which have been increasing.

While China has reported no new locally transmitted cases, the country has still seen daily increases in those coming from abroad, prompting worries of a rebound. Imported cases reached 228 as of Friday, as infected travellers were confirmed not only at major hubs like Beijing and Shanghai but in provinces including Liaoning, Gansu, Heilongjiang in the north and Zhejiang, Fujian, and Sichuan in the south and west.
“The number of imported cases in China has further increased. So the pressure to be on guard has also increased,” said Wang Bin, an official of the national health commission at a news conference on Friday.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-life-slowly-gets-back-to-normal-as-the-epidemic-subsides-coronavirus

  

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651. "Yup"
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641. "Why is Shout in short supply? Are people hoarding everything they "
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might want or need?

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642. "So this woman not only buys out a local Dollar Tree of every single box ..."
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So this woman not only buys out a local Dollar Tree of every single box of paper towels, napkins, and toilet paper so that no one else can buy any, but caps it off with this:

"Donald Trump! Go Donald Trump!"

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1241485175915048961

  

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645. "There's a story in the Times about the huge spike in bean sales."
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They opened with this hilarious line from a bean farmer: "I used to be the loneliest man at the farmer's market."

https://nyti.ms/2U9NilB

I'm wondering how many people stocked up on beans and have no idea how to cook them.

  

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643. "This is how a stimulus is properly done "
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Australia : Out of work workers get a income support payment every two weeks, and now they will get a Covid 19 supplement every two weeks on top of the income support payment for six months. And on top of that the government said there will be more stimulus packages! Lol

But trump wants to hit you with ONE 1000 dollar check , and you should be straight.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/22/what-australias-189bn-coronavirus-economic-rescue-package-means-for-you


Also , LI frontline nurses and doctors are starting to get sick because they don’t have clean PPE. They are already starting to make decisions whether to help patients or not.
Shit is going to hit hard ..like Italy leave people to die hard. Long Island numbers are rising like crazy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus-long-island-nurse-medical-workers-sick-supplies-needed/amp/

  

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644. "Cuban doctors' "revolutionary duty" in mission to Italy"
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The doctors' articulation of their vocation in terms of solidarity is beautiful to me.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN219051?taid=5e77153fef5fb400014684e4&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Cuban doctors head to Italy battle coronavirus
Nelson Acosta


HAVANA (Reuters) - Communist-run Cuba said it dispatched a brigade of doctors and nurses to Italy for the first time this weekend to help in the fight against the novel coronavirus at the request of the worst-affected region Lombardy.

The Caribbean island has sent its "armies of white robes" to disaster sites around the world largely in poor countries since its 1959 revolution. Its doctors were in the front lines in the fight against cholera in Haiti and against ebola in West Africa in the 2010s.

Yet with the 52-strong brigade, this is the first time Cuba has sent an emergency contingent to Italy, one of the world's richest countries, demonstrating the reach of its medical diplomacy.

This is the sixth medical brigade Cuba has sent in recent days to combat the spread of the new disease abroad. It has sent contingents to socialist allies Venezuela and Nicaragua as well as Jamaica, Suriname and Grenada.

"We are all afraid but we have a revolutionary duty to fulfill, so we take out fear and put it to one side," Leonardo Fernandez, 68, an intensive care specialist, told Reuters late on Saturday shortly before his brigade's departure.

"He who says he is not afraid is a superhero, but we are not superheros, we are revolutionary doctors."

Fernandez said this would be his eighth international mission, including one in Liberia during the fight against ebola.

Italy is the country that has been worst affected by the highly contagious virus that originated in China, with the northern region of Lombardy bearing the brunt of the contagion.

Its death toll rose on Saturday by 546 to 3,095, according to its head of welfare, Giulio Gallera, who requested the Cuban doctors.

We are going to fulfill an honorable task, based on the principle of solidarity," said Graciliano Díaz, 64.

Cuba built a healthcare system that was the envy of the developing world with economic aid from former ally Soviet Union, though some of those advances have been lost since the communist bloc collapsed.

Many Cuban hospitals have fallen into disrepair and Cubans say they have difficulty finding medicine, a situation the government says is largely due to decades-old U.S. sanctions although analysts blame also the inefficient state-run economy.

Still, Cuba has one of the highest ratios worldwide of physicians per capita even when excluding those doctors abroad, and its medical brigades for disaster relief continue to earn Havana goodwill worldwide.

"In a time of crisis, the Cuban government, the Cuban people ... have risen to the occasion, they have heard our appeal and they have responded," Jamaican Health Minister Christopher Tufton said on Saturday upon greeting 140 Cuban medical professionals at Kingston international airport.

Britain also thanked Cuba last week for allowing a British cruise ship that had been turned away by several Caribbean ports to dock on the island and for enabling the evacuation of the more than 600 passengers onboard.

Meanwhile Cuba, which is known for its disaster preparedness, is stepping up measures at home too to stem the coronavirus contagion. Twenty-five cases have been confirmed so far.

President Miguel Diaz-Canel announced late on Friday the country would be closing its borders to foreign non-residents from Tuesday in a major blow to one of the motors of its cash-strapped economy, tourism.

Thousands of doctors and medicine students are also going door-to-door monitoring their local communities.

(Reporting by Nelson Acosta; Writing by Sarah Marsh; Editing by Christopher Cushing)

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647. "that's dope. nm"
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648. "Rand Paul has it"
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Tweet from Dana Gould:
BREAKING: Rand Paul, the only Senator to vote against the original Coronavirus aid package, has been diagnosed with Coronavirus.

RELATED: Atheism cancelled.

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649. "has this made anyone else take doomsday/survivalist planning"
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more serious?

if a virus from the other side of the globe can shut down large parts of entire industrialized nations like this...imagine what something just slightly more devastating can do.

like just to see how people completely overwhelmed our food distribution system when the structural integrity of that system is still healthy and hasnt even really been compromised/threatened...imagine what things would be like if the supply chain was actually disrupted.

  

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656. "Bruh.. I shrugged at flipnile’s warning"
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but after the first week of seeing people panic I drove 20 minutes outside the city to stock up.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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650. "Harvey Weinstein has it"
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https://pagesix.com/2020/03/22/harvey-weinstein-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-report-says/

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654. "they wasted a test on Harvey Weinstein?"
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653. "we could be looking at 30% unemployment and 50% drop in gdp."
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-22/fed-s-bullard-says-u-s-jobless-rate-may-soar-to-30-in-2q

  

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655. "This is how we should be responding -from the Army Corp of Engineers"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=0&v=csfCKuy5HH8&feature=emb_logo

RECAP: Hear remarks by Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy and Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, USACE Commanding General and 54th U.S. Army Chief of Engineers, specific to support by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to the national Coronavirus response. These clips are excerpts from the March 20, 2020, press conference in the Pentagon. The full event, including remarks by Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy; Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. James McConville; Army Corps of Engineers Commander Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite; and Army Surgeon General Lt. Gen. Scott Dingle can also be viewed here: https://www.defense.gov/Watch/Live-Events/fbclid/IwAR1ZNVJ6vcLaDRgs7sNPNJXmCP_X2ot2bHioqDStvf93L7ME-cyZLpotkgE/#/?currentVideo=23526

This guy talks about plans to make hotel rooms negatively pressures, and to supply them and provide care.

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657. "this is good an make sense."
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I work for DoD in regards to procuring/appropriating contracts, and happen to hear a certain high level commander talking about turning the hotels into triage since they are all empty. might as well.

take a message

  

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671. "Here's my take from a Building Sciences & Construction Forensics perspec..."
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Hotels are probably the WORST built structures in the United States right now...
I spent years performing property condition assessments and building envelope inspections in the commercial & multi-family residential sector.
Biggest issue is that developers want money FAST which means these types of building need to be built FAST and EVERY corner than can/could be cut WAS cut. I evaluated countless facilities with numerous HVAC & building envelope issues which essentially prevented these structures from ever maintaining consistent and healthy environmental conditions for any reliable period of time. I'm talking mold issues, air quality issues, pore fresh air exchanges, poor ventilation, etc...

Hotels are the LAST place that should be looked at for this type of thing unless they're going to go in and fix these issues first...




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673. "Wow. Good post. Question: in your work, did you notice a correlation"
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between the rating of hotels and structural issues? Like, were you less likely to see these issues in higher rated hotels (eg. 4- or 5-star) vs lower-rated hotels, extended-stays, etc? Or was it consistent across the board?



>Hotels are probably the WORST built structures in the United
>States right now...
>I spent years performing property condition assessments and
>building envelope inspections in the commercial & multi-family
>residential sector.
>Biggest issue is that developers want money FAST which means
>these types of building need to be built FAST and EVERY corner
>than can/could be cut WAS cut. I evaluated countless
>facilities with numerous HVAC & building envelope issues which
>essentially prevented these structures from ever maintaining
>consistent and healthy environmental conditions for any
>reliable period of time. I'm talking mold issues, air quality
>issues, pore fresh air exchanges, poor ventilation, etc...
>

  

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676. "Moreso with brands...but yes, in general the higher value that a chain"
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put on the particular brand, then the more they'd invest in higher quality construction practices...
For instance, you'll notice that higher tier hotel chains will have central controlled HVAC with a dedicated unit for each room vs. PTAC units that just stick through a hole in the wall. Hotels with the PTAC units often cheap out on the central HVAC that serves the common corridors & common areas which results in poor humidity control and air-quality in those areas....that poor air quality then seeps into the guest rooms due to the negative air-pressure that's created by the PTAC units which are frequently left running even when unoccupied. It's like a great big chain reaction of poor air-quality... On top of that, cheaper hotel chains use cheaper wall coverings that don't allow for proper moisture vapor transfer from interior to exterior....which is why you'll go into a hotel room and it feels musty & damp and stagnant...

>
>between the rating of hotels and structural issues? Like, were
>you less likely to see these issues in higher rated hotels
>(eg. 4- or 5-star) vs lower-rated hotels, extended-stays, etc?
>Or was it consistent across the board?
>
>
>
>>Hotels are probably the WORST built structures in the United
>>States right now...
>>I spent years performing property condition assessments and
>>building envelope inspections in the commercial &
>multi-family
>>residential sector.
>>Biggest issue is that developers want money FAST which means
>>these types of building need to be built FAST and EVERY
>corner
>>than can/could be cut WAS cut. I evaluated countless
>>facilities with numerous HVAC & building envelope issues
>which
>>essentially prevented these structures from ever maintaining
>>consistent and healthy environmental conditions for any
>>reliable period of time. I'm talking mold issues, air
>quality
>>issues, pore fresh air exchanges, poor ventilation, etc...
>>


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659. "Good read here on Fauci and how he's TRYING to deal with, ya know."
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/i-m-going-keep-pushing-anthony-fauci-tries-make-white-house-listen-facts-pandemic

he sounds so beaten down. at least there's one redeemable (fingers crossed) person in trumps administration and it's him.

  

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667. "My man, Fauci, ain’t in this daily briefing going right now..."
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Trump prolly had him removed.

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668. "scary, and you're probably right."
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660. "lookin at all y'all like this: "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjrS3rv7ZY

if they can't get the tests approved, this the next best thing.



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661. "here is something you can’t understaaaaand"
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How Donald Trump just killed a man!

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166

  

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662. "Predictable outcome"
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Can't believe the fucking idiots who voted for this fucking idiot.

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663. "Damn when I read the title for the article I thought this was about the ..."
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html

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665. "fox news pushing it heavy too."
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https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1242058764737536000

  

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666. "They're literally all snake-oil salesmen now. "
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664. "looks like Washington State will be entering 14 day lockdown."
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Governor Inslee is giving a speech tonight. he has to after the number of people who were at the beaches and on the hiking trails this weekend.

  

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669. "It's crazy how different eve rything was 2 weeks ago. Hell...a week ago"
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Two weeks ago, this was big news. But I was still out and about. Doing trivial things. Now I ain't been away from the house in three days

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672. "two days i have not seen Dr. Fauci"
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take a message

  

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674. "Trump Is Growing Tired Of Dr. Fauci Contradicting Him (link)"
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-tired-fauci-contradict-coronavirus

President Donald Trump is reportedly getting fed up with Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health (NIH).


The New York Times reported on Monday night that Trump, ever obsessed with his image, has been chafing at Fauci publicly contradicting the President’s
misleadingly optimistic messaging on the COVID-19 pandemic. Several White House officials also reportedly believe that the doctor has been too critical of Trump.

Unnamed advisers told the Times that Trump hasn’t given Fauci the ax yet because the doctor still serves a useful purpose: having a good rapport with the public and thereby lending credibility to the administration’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

Though Fauci generally maintains a mild-mannered demeanor during Trump’s press conferences on COVID-19, there was a moment on Saturday when he directly refuted the President’s claim there was no medical supply shortage.

“You’re not making things up,” Fauci said to the CNN reporter who had brought up the shortage.

The doctor also got blunt during an interview with Science Magazine on Sunday.

“Let’s get real, what do you want me to do?” he asked when the interviewer asked about Trump’s repeated falsehoods on the coronavirus.

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677. "RE: two days i have not seen Dr. Fauci"
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Trump works for Wall Street, and they are willing to let people die as long as profits can still be generated.

America is highly saturated in capitalism, which makes our country unique and different than any other country. Other countries understand the need to shut down for 2 months, and will do that it if necessary. They will take the hit to preserve their citizens, especially Asian countries whose countries are still governed and run by the older population and old traditions.

Investors and businesses are already screaming about being shut down for just two weeks. After seeing how all of this has transpired, and the narratives of the president with misinformation and intentionally underplaying the pandemic, no way this country stays shut down for 60 days.

My grandmother used to say that Americans or black people can’t afford to get sick, because your life will not be valued. Decisions will be made on whether or not you are worth the cost and medical attention. The capital gains for big business are more imperative than the lives of citizens. That is the politics of the nation, and we saw it during the mortgage back securities crisis, and it is going to be even more magnified with the covid19 outbreak.

Other countries have issued bailouts for their citizens already.....we are still waiting on our government to figure it out and we are supposed to be a top superpower? And when it is issued, it will be of little use.




  

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675. "I'm having a really hard time understanding Schumer's blocking of this b..."
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They basically tried to eat up a bunch of the bills funding for progressive policies,

while it shrewd, this ain't the time for that.

  

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678. "im a bit conflicted"
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i think its more of trying to prevent the GOP from abusing it. the dems are pushing for oversight and for funding for workers and want to make sure most of this bailout goes to directly help people.

im guessing that some of these reported things that are not related to that are just being used for negotiation. they are going to give those up in order to get the GOP to agree to the worker protections that the dems are pushing for. maybe.

the dems, like always, are losing the coverage war on it though.

  

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679. "Are you KIDDING me?"
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The bill Mitch and The GOP presented was:
Hey, let's give a HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS to business and have Steve M dole it out however he's sees fit, and he only has to tell you six months later. Also business can lay people off however they see fit (but they PROMISE) it'll be in the interest of the employees.


Then Trump said HE'D BE THE OVERSITE>

Also - if your too poor you won't get any money from this.

The Democrats saying:
Give the money to people.
Focus on healthcare and then the people, then the other shit.
Don't give this president or Republicans DISCRETION on how it works - get it in writing and with oversight.

What's FUCKIGN SAD is that you (and when I say you I mean you and a LOT of Americans) see this as PUSHING A PROGRESSIVE AGENDA!!

It's fucking disgusting that they are literally saying "Give us the discretion on how TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS are being spent because if you don't it's some liberal plot."

And whatever they do sign will still be too generous to business and the stock market and it'll be brought up in EVERY Democratic debate until the end of time.

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683. "100. Like k5 said dems are always losing the coverage war."
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That's all it is. Repugs spend their time drafting shit bills that benefit only their cronies and big business which takes no time at all, then are able to use the remaining time strategizing how they'll lie to everyone and the press. Dems have to spend all their time fishing through these bills for repug bullshit and as a result have very little time left to determine their press strategy.

It's infuriating.


>The bill Mitch and The GOP presented was:
>Hey, let's give a HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS to business and have
>Steve M dole it out however he's sees fit, and he only has to
>tell you six months later. Also business can lay people off
>however they see fit (but they PROMISE) it'll be in the
>interest of the employees.
>
>
>Then Trump said HE'D BE THE OVERSITE>
>
>Also - if your too poor you won't get any money from this.
>
>The Democrats saying:
>Give the money to people.
>Focus on healthcare and then the people, then the other shit.
>Don't give this president or Republicans DISCRETION on how it
>works - get it in writing and with oversight.
>
>What's FUCKIGN SAD is that you (and when I say you I mean you
>and a LOT of Americans) see this as PUSHING A PROGRESSIVE
>AGENDA!!
>
>It's fucking disgusting that they are literally saying "Give
>us the discretion on how TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS are being spent
>because if you don't it's some liberal plot."
>
>And whatever they do sign will still be too generous to
>business and the stock market and it'll be brought up in EVERY
>Democratic debate until the end of time.
>
>

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Damali
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685. "THANK YOU!!!^^^^^^^^^^^"
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motherfuckers are so brainwashed, its ridiculous

  

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680. "the money should be directed to unemployment and giving people "
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the ability to shelter in place.

Using other countries as an example

It looks like it takes 2 months of isolation to see the leveling off

A $1200 check is not going to get people through the next 2 months

and who gives a fuck about airline, cruise and hotel industries right now?

The goal should be providing people the means to stay home

A $1200 check and $500B bailout...doesn’t address the problem.

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681. "RE: the money should be directed to unemployment and giving people "
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And the crazy thing about those cruise lines. They sail under different national flags to avoid taxes, but now they want bailouts?

  

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684. "Spoiler: it will *never* be the time for that"
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Being strategic right now means being a mark for some consultant-class dipshit whose only job is to convince us that a quarter of what we need is the maximum that's possible. He's a liar*. Don't give in.

We are meaningless peons, which means that our political dharma is to demand. That's it. But there's never been as perfect a time to demand, loudly and aggressively when we can see with our own eyes how quickly shit comes unraveled when working people take a measly few days off to protect themselves and loved ones. Working people, united, are stronger than capital.

*or she. it's 2020 and women are totally capable of leading sacrifices to Mammon.

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686. "Eat shit, then after eating shit read the proposals"
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Not the news articles.

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682. "Looks like my city just issued a shelter in place order"
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no doubt the governor of texas was in no hurry to do so. were up to 14 cases in the city, 4 of them on base.

theyre doing an announcement right now but there was no video or audio for a long time then all of a sudden it just started up in the middle of the mayor speaking. im thinking my company will be exempt as a "special trade" but hopefully this pushes them to let people that can work from home do so.

  

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687. "Manu Dibango dead from COVID-19"
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52017834?fbclid=IwAR1UPxYrGD1KwM2c3PUqtl5XbHlcPxk7O3ZKkZpH3SXH8F_FUPjEdXzotBM

  

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